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Title: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 7:12am

A good article of course our forum experts from the left will disagree with data which comes from NSW.

Quote:

Reality Check on the Vaccine Narrative

Claims (p. 2)

“COVID-19 vaccines are very effective in preventing the
severe impacts of infections with the virus.”

“Over 95 percent of people aged 16 and over in NSW have received two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine.”

Data (p. 4)

Not a single Covid-19 patient in NSW for the week – not one – who was admitted to hospital, or was admitted to ICU, or died, was unvaccinated: exactly 0 percent on all three metrics.

Every single one of the Covid-19 patients in NSW for the week, whose vaccination status was known, who was admitted to hospital, or was admitted to ICU, or died, was at least double-vaccinated: 100 percent on all three metrics.

Eight of the 15 Covid-related deaths – 53.3 percent – had received four or more doses of the Covid vaccine. As of November 2, the share of NSW residents eligible for four doses of the vaccine (30+ years old) to have received them was 43.3 percent. Thus, compared to their population, the four-dosed are over-represented by 23.1 percent in the Covid-related mortality in this reporting week. However, it’s surely reasonable to say that it’s almost certain that neither of the two who died with their vaccination status not known would have been four-dosed. If so, the share of the quadruple-vaccinated deaths drops halfway closer to their population share.

Not a single person whose death with Covid-19 in NSW was recorded in this week was under 50 years old.

On October 23, an online poll on Covid controls and vaccines was published on news.com.au with some intriguing results.

Most strikingly of all, only 35 percent of the 45,000 vaccinated respondents in the poll said they would make the same decision again, while not a single unvaccinated person expressed regret for the decision.

https://brownstone.org/articles/reality-check-on-the-vaccine-narrative/

Link to NSW health for data- https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/weekly-covid-overview-20221029.pdf

The myth unvaxxed die at a greater rate is busted. The highest number of deaths is from those with 4 or more vax shots ;)

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by buzzanddidj on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 7:30am

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 7:12am:

A good article of course our forum experts from the left will disagree with data which comes from NSW.

https://brownstone.org/articles/reality-check-on-the-vaccine-narrative/

It's come to THIS ?
We're getting our "news" from right-wing, anti-mask, anti-vaccine, conspiracy theorizing "think tank" ?
Give us a BREAK !

https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/brownstone-institute-for-social-and-economic-research/

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 7:43am

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 7:30am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 7:12am:

A good article of course our forum experts from the left will disagree with data which comes from NSW.

https://brownstone.org/articles/reality-check-on-the-vaccine-narrative/

The Data they cited comes from NSW health dept which is here- https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/weekly-covid-overview-20221029.pdf

Did you click on that link that shows no unvaxxed people were admitted to hospital or ICU and no deaths and the highest number of deaths was from those who had 4 or more shots?

Of course you find something on the internet instead of reading the NSW Health source to ignore the truth which goes against your narrative.
;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

From your link

Quote:

Brownstone Institute is closely aligned with the Great Barrington Declaration, in which epidemiologists from Harvard, Oxford, and Stanford universities challenged the prevailing view that lockdowns were the best way to fight the COVID-19 pandemic. [7] In this declaration, Harvard’s Martin Kulldorff, Oxford’s Sunetra Gupta, and Stanford’s Jay Bhattacharya favored what they called “focused protection” of high-risk populations instead of broad lockdowns of the entire population. [8] Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute for Allergies and Infectious Diseases, condemned the Great Barrington Declaration.

The Harvard, Oxford and Stanford epidemiologists from the GBD were the only ones to get it right why do you ignore the experts on this?

Does the fact NSW health link showing nobody under 50 died from Covid in NSW support those from the GBD who said we should focus protection on the elderly?

;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Captain Caveman on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 8:34am

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 7:30am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 7:12am:

A good article of course our forum experts from the left will disagree with data which comes from NSW.

https://brownstone.org/articles/reality-check-on-the-vaccine-narrative/

So challenge the content then you dolt. ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Sir lastnail on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 8:43am

Wait a minute. Carl has to consult the fact checkers ;)

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Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Bobby. on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 8:45am

Eight of the 15 Covid-related deaths – 53.3 percent –
had received four or more doses of the Covid vaccine.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Carl D on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 8:49am

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 8:43am:

Wait a minute. Carl has to consult the fact checkers ;)

You're already boring me and my day has just started.

I'll give you ten dollars right now if you'll bring Reggie back.

I'll even be nice to him until he starts the insults again. Oh, wait - that will probably be his very first post.

::)

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Sir lastnail on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 8:51am

Carl D wrote on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 8:49am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 8:43am:

Wait a minute. Carl has to consult the fact checkers ;)

And I'll give you 10 bucks to piss off carl ;) Not wanting to waste an opportunity though.

https://t.me/covidbc/6272?single

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Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Sir lastnail on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 8:55am

Another vaxed up victim in hospital with life threatening injuries from the vax. :(

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Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Carl D on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 8:56am

Got any proof that Rachael's blood clot was caused by the Covid vaccines, Sir Nail?

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Sir lastnail on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 8:58am

Carl D wrote on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 8:56am:

Got any proof that Rachael's blood clot was caused by the Covid vaccines, Sir Nail?

Got any proof it wasn't ?

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Carl D on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 9:01am

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 8:58am:

Carl D wrote on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 8:56am:

Got any proof that Rachael's blood clot was caused by the Covid vaccines, Sir Nail?

Got any proof it wasn't ?

A question for a question. Of course. ::)

OK, I'm out.

Anyone else want to take it from here (make sure you've got a supply of Panadol handy before you start)?

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Sir lastnail on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 9:06am

Bye carl ;)

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Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Bobby. on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 9:19am

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 9:35am

Did anyone see this on the news last night?

Quote:

Nine News:

“One of the country’s top advisors on vaccination says it’s unlikely under 30s will be approved for a 4th COVID vax. ATAGI notes the increase risk of myocarditis.”

Can we now end the disinformation that the rise in myocarditis is caused by COVID?

https://twitter.com/JohnRuddick2/status/1591696461875408897

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Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 9:35am

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Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
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Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 16^th, 2022 at 3:08pm

Looks like McClown land known as WA have accepted risks with MRNA vaccines. They lag behind the Florida surgeon general who was talking about this quite some time ago.

Take note on how patients with vaccine related Myocarditis should be admitted to hospital.

The truth will come out it can't be swept under the carpet.

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Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 25^th, 2022 at 4:32pm

Quote:

Martin Kulldorff
@MartinKulldorff

@Facebook
@Twitter
@Google
@YouTube
and @Microsoft's @LinkedIn
all censored accurate #COVID information from honest credible scientists. They owe Americans and the world an apology.

https://twitter.com/MartinKulldorff/status/1595780987635499008?cxt=HHwWgICwtc-WraUsAAAA

Harvard epidemiologist says these people who control information need to apologise to the world for censoring accurate covid information.

The sheeple have been brainwashed with misinformation for over 2 years they're too stupid to realise it.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Sir lastnail on Nov 25^th, 2022 at 4:42pm

Yep.

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Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Lisa Jones on Nov 25^th, 2022 at 5:09pm

Baron ... I've asked Freediver to merge my topic into this one (apologies as I've had a shocker of a day AND I did not realise that this topic existed).

As I've stated on OzPol many times previously... I have a congenital heart disorder (born with a hole in my heart and it has never closed) plus I have DVT.

Thank God I had enough initiative to ignore the incessant and relentless marketing of these vaccines and sought medical advice by those qualified practitioners who knew my personal medical conditions.

There's no way I would have been ok if I had taken those vaccines! And I would have been just another statistic with a pre existing condition.

And yet the irony remains : I've never had Covid19 at all despite the fact that my husband who is triple jabbed DID! Three times too! And to top it all off I had to be his personal nurse 24/7 until he got better. Even though I was exposed to him and his virus I kept testing negative every 12 hrs and not once did I have any symptoms either. He on the other hand kept testing positive (and yes he started getting the sh1ts because he reckoned I had some rare/special/natural immunity).

I STILL cannot explain how I have remained Covid19 free despite the fact that I am totally unvaccinated. I DO know that I pray and ask God every day to help keep me safe so that I can be of assistance to all my family and of course my neighbours - many of them are old/have lost their spouses/their kids live interstate....some have terminal cancer now so I do visit them regularly with groceries and/or flowers or fruit and veges or herbs from my garden.

Having said all this .... I am still worried for everyone. Yes EVERYONE! Why? Without a doubt this virus is a runaway train and the current vaccines are just playing catch up with it WHILE causing other serious health issues. 🥺i

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Nov 25^th, 2022 at 5:17pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 25^th, 2022 at 4:42pm:

Yep.

There are medical staff who were fired because they didn't take the vaccine.

Fauci and the CDC admitted in August 2021 the vaccines don't stop transmission there was no scientific justification for firing anyone who refuse the vaccines.

Quote:

‘Let us save lives again’ say vaccine-free healthcare workers

Healthcare workers who were forced to leave their employment when they declined Covid vaccinations say it’s time to drop the mandates and let them get back to their jobs.

Peaceful protests have been taking place this week at four major public hospitals located in Queensland, New South Wales, South Australia, and Victoria. These states still have injection mandates in place for healthcare workers, as well as for people who work in aged care homes or disability support services.

The protests unite some 1,600 healthcare workers across the country who have been brought together by Monica Smit, founder of Reignite Democracy Australia, in a bid to challenge the mandates.

One of the nurses demonstrating outside the emergency department at St Vincent’s Hospital, Sydney, who had more than 35 years’ experience said:
‘I’m heartbroken that I haven’t been able to work for over a year because of my unvaccinated status. I was dismissed from my job. I’m willing and able and capable…. I’m here to help.’

At the Royal Melbourne Hospital on the first day of the demonstrations, protesters brought with them 392 years of combined nursing experience, Smit noted.

One vaccine-free nurse who had lost her job said:
‘[I] can go to a hospital and visit someone. I can go to a nursing home and visit my aunt. But I can’t go and work in a nursing home or work in a hospital. Where is the science behind that?’

While the mandates were originally intended to protect patients, the logic behind that decision must be questioned, given that none of the three genetic vaccines were tested in their clinical trials for their ability to prevent transmission of the virus.

Famously in early October, Rob Roos, Member of the European Parliament, asked a question that made the world aware that Pfizer’s clinical trials had not tested for transmission. In fact, the dearth of information on transmission for all three vaccine clinical trials has been in plain sight ever since government regulatory bodies, such as the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA), published public assessment reports on the vaccines at the start of the rollout. These documents either report that the effect on transmission was not evaluated (Pfizer and Astra Zeneca) or do not mention transmission (Moderna).

And now that many of us have experienced Covid in the real world, scientific studies are not needed to know that people who have been vaccinated, even with multiple shots, can catch and spread the disease.

If the vaccines do not prevent transmission, then why do health workers have to have them?

Other countries have been managing their health services without mandating the Covid injections. In the UK, staff in the National Health Service (NHS) were told they would be mandated for vaccination from April 1, but this was dropped.

One of the factors behind abandoning the NHS mandates was a protest group called NHS100k which made clear to Boris Johnson and his government that between 80,000 and 100,000 healthcare workers were likely to quit their jobs if the mandates were brought in.

Johnson realised that the NHS simply could not run with that reduction in staff numbers.

Here in Australia, we hear reports of health services that are stretched, and in Victoria there was a crisis in triple zero call response times earlier this year. A staffing shortage of nurses seems evident in Victoria, at least, which is running large billboard advertisements in NSW, trying to attract nurses to the state.

Allowing unvaccinated staff to return to work would surely be beneficial, Smit argues.

‘I wonder, has anyone asked the patients what they want? Has anyone asked a mother whose child is choking if she would prefer an unvaccinated paramedic in five minutes or a vaccinated paramedic in one hour? Or a mother whose son is crying with a broken arm in the emergency ward if she’d rather see an unvaccinated doctor sooner?’

She says a policy that was allegedly put in place to protect people’s health is having the opposite effect, and damaging Australia’s entire health system.

Smit has carried out a survey on her website. So far, 29,243 people have responded and 27,568 of them said they wanted private and public hospitals to allow unvaccinated workers to come back to work. A similar number said they would be happy to be treated by a person who had not had the shots. Of course, many followers of her website are pro-choice. Smit said:

‘The latest country to jettison the vaccine mandates for all health workers is Italy. Why can’t Australia follow suit? It is time to restore some sanity. Abolish the vaccine mandates and reinstate these healthcare workers so they can continue to save lives.’

https://www.spectator.com.au/2022/11/let-us-save-lives-again-say-vaccine-free-healthcare-workers/

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 10:05pm

New advice from our benevolent dictators on vaccine.

This is a major change -
During the consent process, all people who receive a COVID-19 vaccine should be advised of
the very rare risk of myocarditis and/or pericarditis after vaccination, the possible symptoms
(presented in Table 3), and what to do if symptoms develop.

Quote:

Guidance on Myocarditis
and Pericarditis after
COVID-19 vaccines

9 November 2022

Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination

What is the risk of myocarditis after COVID-19 vaccination, and who is at greatest risk?Reported rates of myocarditis after COVID-19 vaccination vary by country, vaccine type, age, gender, and interval between vaccine doses.

Can AstraZeneca cause myocarditis or pericarditis?
There is a small risk of myocarditis and/or pericarditis following AstraZeneca. This risk is lower than following an mRNA vaccine.A UK study in December 2021 found the risk was highest in men under 40 years of age at 8-14
days after dose 2

What is the risk of myocarditis and pericarditis following a bivalent mRNA vaccine?There are currently no published studies on the rates of myocarditis and/or pericarditis following bivalent mRNA vaccines. The clinical trials of the bivalent vaccine did not observe any cases of myocarditis or pericarditis32,33, but were not powered to detect rare events

Advice for vaccine recipients regarding clinical features of myocarditis or pericarditis following COVID-19 vaccination
During the consent process, all people who receive a COVID-19 vaccine should be advised of
the very rare risk of myocarditis and/or pericarditis after vaccination

Assessment of possible myocarditis or pericarditis following vaccination
Patients with significant clinical suspicion of myocarditis and/or pericarditis should immediately be
referred to ED.

Referral & Management
Patients with confirmed myocarditis should be admitted to hospital for cardiac monitoring (ideally continuous ECG monitoring), until the cardiac biomarker levels have peaked and symptoms have resolved

After a diagnosis of myocarditis and/or pericarditis, cardiology follow-up will be required for at least 12 months. People for whom management in the community is advised should be reviewed by their general practitioner every 1-2 days. Advise patients to avoid high-intensity exercise or
competitive sports until resolution of symptoms and ECG changes, and normalisation of cardiac function

Severity, outcomes, and long-term prognosis
It is important to consider pericarditis and myocarditis separately when reviewing clinical outcomes. Most myocarditis cases linked to COVID-19 vaccination have required hospitalisation, with the majority of cases having a relatively mild and selflimitingcourse.6,20,35 Fatal cases have been reported, including in females

Recommended long-term follow up
Patients with myocarditis and/or pericarditis after an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine whose symptoms resolve quickly, who do not have any arrhythmia associated with the acute myocarditis, and who have not had prolonged impairment of ventricular systolic function should be followed up for at
least 12 months. There will usually be some restriction of exercise (particularly strenuous exercise or competitive sport) if they have confirmed myocarditis.

More here
https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2022/11/covid-19-vaccination-guidance-on-myocarditis-and-pericarditis-after-covid-19-vaccines.pdf

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 10:18pm

There was no mention of this during vaccine trials.

Quote:

Autopsy‑based histopathological characterization of myocarditisafter anti‑SARS‑CoV‑2‑vaccination

Abstract
Cases of myocarditis, diagnosed clinically by laboratory tests and imaging have been described in the context of mRNA-basedanti-SARS-CoV-2 vaccination. Autopsy-based description of detailed histological features of vaccine-induced myocarditis is lacking. We describe the autopsy findings and common characteristics of myocarditis in untreated persons who received anti-SARS-CoV-2 vaccination. Standardized autopsies were performed on 25 persons who had died unexpectedly and within 20 days after anti-SARS-CoV-2 vaccination. In four patients who received a mRNA vaccination, we identified acute (epi-)myocarditis without detection of another significant disease or health constellation that may have caused an unexpected death.[/highlight]

Results
Among the 35 cases of the University of Heidelberg, autop-
sies revealed other causes of death (due to pre-existing ill-
nesses) in 10 patients (Supplementary Table 1). Hence, these were excluded from further analysis. Cardiac autopsy findings consistent with (epi-)myocarditis were found in five
cases of the remaining 25 bodies found unexpectedly dead
at home within 20 days following SARS-CoV-2 vaccina-
tion.

Four persons died after the first vaccine jab,the remaining case after the second dose. All persons diedwithin the first week following vaccination (mean 2.5 days,median 2 days). Clinical findings, blood tests, ECGs or imaging data were not available as deceased persons did not seek medical attention prior to death. Person 1 was found dead 12 h after the vaccination.

Through our autopsy-based approach, we identified five
cases of lymphocytic (epi-)myocarditis in persons, who were
unexpectedly found dead at home within the first week fol-
lowing mRNA-mediated anti-SARS-CoV-2 immunization.

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s00392-022-02129-5.pdf?pdf

There was a Cardiologist who brought this up about 18 months ago he has had more papers published than any other Cardiologist. He was banned from Twitter,Facebook and Youtube who are owned by Google. He was also deregistered for not following Faucis narrative. Looks like he was right.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 11:25pm

Quote:

The Incidence of Myocarditis and Pericarditis in Post COVID-19 Unvaccinated Patients—A Large Population-Based Study

Post COVID-19 infection was not associated with either myocarditis (aHR 1.08; 95% CI 0.45 to 2.56) or pericarditis (aHR 0.53; 95% CI 0.25 to 1.13). We did not observe an increased incidence of neither pericarditis nor myocarditis in adult patients recovering from COVID-19 infection.

Patients with a first vaccination received before COVID-19 infection were excluded (n = 16,632), resulting in the final COVID-19 cohort (n = 196,992).

Post COVID-19 infection was not associated with myocarditis (aHR 1.08; 95% CI 0.45 to 2.56, p = 0.869).

4. Discussion
In the current large population study of subjects, who were not vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2, we observed no increase in the incidence of myocarditis or pericarditis from day 10 after positive SARS-CoV-2.

5. Conclusions
Our data suggest that there is no increase in the incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in COVID-19 recovered patients compared to uninfected matched controls

https://www.mdpi.com/2077-0383/11/8/2219

The media like to downplay this to 'mildcarditis'...

It is a irreversible scarring of the heart. Nothing mild about it.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by wombatwoody on Dec 18^th, 2022 at 10:03pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 25^th, 2022 at 5:09pm:

Natural immunity most likely.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Dec 24^th, 2022 at 5:08pm

Data for week ending 10th December

No deaths for those under 50 years of age.
2 deaths 50-59
2 deaths 60-69
11 deaths 70-79
23 deaths 80-89
18 deaths 90+

Vaccination status - Hospital - ICU - Deaths
4 or more                345       31    35
3 doses                   163       12    6
2 doses                   95          11    5
1 dose                   3          1       3
No doses                1          0       6

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/weekly-covid-overview-20221210.pdf

Old people are leading the deaths. No unvaxxed people under 50 died.

Those with 4 or more clot shots continue to lead with hospital admissions in ICU and Deaths.

If the vax worked why are those with 4 or more shots topping the numbers for hospital and ICU as welll as deaths?

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Dec 24^th, 2022 at 5:56pm

JAMA = Journal American Medical Association

Interesting

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Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Sophia on Dec 24^th, 2022 at 6:22pm

wombatwoody wrote on Dec 18^th, 2022 at 10:03pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 25^th, 2022 at 5:09pm:

Natural immunity most likely.

And our immune system is like “you take care of me… and I’ll take care of you”

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 1^st, 2023 at 1:44pm

There is misinformation that being unvaxxed makes you many times more likely to end up in Hospital or ICU.
The data for NSW doesn't support this myth.

Quote:

NSW Respiratory Surveillance Report - week ending 19 November 2022

      Data for hospital and ICU
Unvaxxed       0                0
1 shot          4                0
2 shots          59             4
3 shots       114             18
4 or more    214             23
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/weekly-covid-overview-20221119.pdf

NSW Respiratory Surveillance Report - week ending 26 November 2022
               Hospital       ICU
Unvaxxed    3                0
1 shot          6                0
2 shots       80             10
3 shots       142             9
4 or more    249             12
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/weekly-covid-overview-20221126.pdf

NSW Respiratory Surveillance Report - week ending 03 December 2022
                  Hospital       ICU
Unvaxxed    0                0
1 Clot shot    8                   3
2 clot shots 85                4
3 clot shots 170             15
4 or more    296                18
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/weekly-covid-overview-20221203.pdf

NSW Respiratory Surveillance Report - week ending 10 December 2022
                  hospital       icu
Unvaxxed    1                0
1 shot          3                1
2 shots       95                11
3 shots       163             12
4 or more    345             31
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/weekly-covid-overview-20221210.pdf

Data clearly shows 4 or more clot shots have highest number of hospital admissions, icu admissions and deaths.

Those who are unvaxxed have the lowest rates.

Why are those with 4 or more clot shots having the highest number of serious infections?

Was Geert VandenBosssche who spent his life working for every major vaccine maker along with employment with Bill and Melinda Gates foundation right with these vaccines being a huge mistake?

When you induce (vaccine) your immune system to fight this virus it overpowers your innate (natural immune system) leaving you vulnerable to new variants. It can't be undone.Starting to look like Geert was right with this.

When we look at the numbers of those who have received clot shots the difference between those who have had 4 or more compared to none is stunning in hospital numbers.

The myth the unvaxxed are hospitalised for covid at far greater rates is busted it's bullshit. Does anyone want to do the maths on this?

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Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by AusGeoff on Jan 1^st, 2023 at 11:24pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 1^st, 2023 at 1:44pm:

...Data clearly shows 4 or more clot shots have highest number of hospital admissions, ICU admissions and deaths.

Nope, the data doesn't show that at all. That you don't understand
statistics is what it shows. Those figures are raw numbers, not rates.

With 95% of the population now at least partially if not fully vaccinated,
of course the number of people vaccinated will be higher than the number
of unvaccinated people in hospital or ICU.

To work out the odds of occupying an ICU bed if you aren’t vaccinated,
look at the wider population numbers. For example, in April 2022, adults
who had received fewer than two vaccines made up 5% of all people in
NSW, but they made up 25% of people in NSW intensive care units.

I bet you feel kinda stupid now? ;D

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 9:44am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 1^st, 2023 at 1:44pm:

There is misinformation that being unvaxxed makes you many times more likely to end up in Hospital or ICU.
The data for NSW doesn't support this myth.

Quote:

Also I heard the production of Spike proteins is doubling every 6 months so you do the maths. It's genetic engineering at it's worse. No wonder the MSM has gone all quiet ;)

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 7:58pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 9:44am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 1^st, 2023 at 1:44pm:

There is misinformation that being unvaxxed makes you many times more likely to end up in Hospital or ICU.
The data for NSW doesn't support this myth.

Quote:

Also I heard the production of Spike proteins is doubling every 6 months so you do the maths. It's genetic engineering at it's worse. No wonder the MSM has gone all quiet ;)

In NSW they suggested Pfizer for those under 40 due to blood clots from AZ. Those who were over 40 had to take AZ or wait for Pfizer. For young people to avoid blood clots they had to risk getting myocarditis with Pfizer for a virus that had 99.9% survival rate.

Ausgeoff made claims yet he avoids my numerous questions on how effective vaccines really are when those under 60 have a 99.9% survival rate up to more deadly Delta variant with vax rate below 15%.

In the last month in NSW.
14.7% unvaxxed - 4 in hospital none in ICU
19.4% 4 or more shots - 1,104 in hospital 84 in ICU

8.21 million people in NSW

1,206,870 people unvaxxed in NSW. 1 in every 301,717 of them in hospital with none in ICU.

1,592,740 people have 4 or more shots. 1 in every 1,442 of them are in hospital with 84 in ICU

The numbers show the unvaxxed are doing far better than those who are fully vaxxed and up to date with their boosters which only appear to boost profits for big pharma.

With around 1 in 5 people fully vaxxed it appears many have said GGF not having more after having their coerced double shots

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Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 7:04pm

Quote:

NSW Respiratory Surveillance Report – two weeks ending 31 December 2022

Vax status          Hospital    ICU
4 or more          810          58
3 doses             377          29
2 doses             218          17
1 dose                10             1
Unvaxxed          0             0

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/weekly-covid-overview-20221231.pdf

Quote:

Reminder - 4th Jab Could Shut Down Your Immune System

https://twitter.com/Kukicat7/status/1611051891190030336

Did the lamestream media really have Dr Jennifer Ashton ABC News Chief medical correspondent saying that on TV? :o

Was Geert Vandenbossche right when he said induced (vaccine) immunity from usless boosters can overpower your innate (natural ) immunity leaving you defenceless against new variants?

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by AusGeoff on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 7:51pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 7:04pm:

...Was Geert Vanden Bossche right when he said induced (vaccine) immunity from useless boosters can overpower your innate (natural ) immunity leaving you defenceless against new variants?

No, he was wrong.

Vaccines stimulate the humoral immune response without weakening
innate immunity.

Immunisation may even enhance natural antibody response.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 8:09pm

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 7:51pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 7:04pm:

...Was Geert Vanden Bossche right when he said induced (vaccine) immunity from useless boosters can overpower your innate (natural ) immunity leaving you defenceless against new variants?

No, he was wrong.

Did you listen to Dr Jennifer Ashton the ABC chief medical corrsepondent in twitter link?

Geert was saying the exact same thing when vaccines were rolled out.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by aquascoot on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 8:50pm

interesting class action

Horse owners have launched a $53 million law suit against the pharmaceutical company responsible for developing the Hendra vaccine.

The owners, from New South Wales and Queensland, are claiming that Zoetis Australia PTY LTD did not provide adequate warnings about the potential side effects of the vaccine on their horses.

Half a million doses have been administered to horses across Australia since 2012.

About 1,500 horses have experienced adverse reactions and have not been able to return to their regular work.

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The barrister instructed by LHD Lawyers, John Rowe, said Zoetis failed to inform horse owners of the potential side effects and have breached the Agricultural and Veterinary Chemicals Act by failing to properly trial and test the vaccine before its release.

"The reality is the vets that administered the vaccination initially didn't give the owners any warning at all," Mr Rowe said.

"Many of the horse owners would not have agreed to the inoculation had they been warned of the possible side effects."

Class action a risk: company
Damages are being sought for any individual horse owner whose horse was effected by the vaccine resulting in death or loss of use.

Michael Hyland, special counsel for LHD Lawyers, says the owners that are part of the class action had suffered significantly.

"It's had a profound impact on the horse owners and it's something they are struggling to come to terms with," Mr Hyland said.

what is also interesting is that vets introduced a very similar mandate to covid.
you had to get every horse vaxxed every year (at a cost of about $120 a shot) and if you didnt , those horses would not be attended by vets.

sound familiar ::) ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Frank on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 8:21pm

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 7:51pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 7:04pm:

...Was Geert Vanden Bossche right when he said induced (vaccine) immunity from useless boosters can overpower your innate (natural ) immunity leaving you defenceless against new variants?

No, he was wrong.

Vaccines stimulate the humoral immune response without weakening
innate immunity.

Immunisation may even enhance natural antibody response.

This should settle the arguments.

https://mobile.twitter.com/based_seattle/status/1611093673437196288

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 8^th, 2023 at 6:53pm

8.21 million people in NSW

14.7% unvaxxed
19.4% 4 or more clot shots

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Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by AusGeoff on Jan 8^th, 2023 at 11:19pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 8^th, 2023 at 6:53pm:

8.21 million people in NSW

14.7% unvaxxed
19.4% 4 or more clot shots

LOL... I can't believe you're still misinterpreting these data. Even after I've
explained it a couple of times here!

These are raw numbers, and not the rate of admission for each group.

I'll try again:

Look at it this way: imagine 100% of people in a population are vaccinated
but a small proportion can still get infected. If any of these people end up
in ICU, then of course 100% of people in ICU are vaccinated.

But the effectiveness of the vaccine hasn’t changed. So as vaccination rates
climb, the numbers of vaccinated people in ICU does too.

In Australia, 84.3% of the population are fully vaccinated, which explains the
higher number of vaccinated people in ICU—as only 13.4% are unvaccinated.

This means you have to look at the RATE (n per 100,000) of vaccinated to
unvaccinated in ICU rather than the raw number. Can I make it any clearer?

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 8^th, 2023 at 11:51pm

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 8^th, 2023 at 11:19pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 8^th, 2023 at 6:53pm:

8.21 million people in NSW

14.7% unvaxxed
19.4% 4 or more clot shots

LOL... I can't believe you're still misinterpreting these data. Even after I've
explained it a couple of times here!

These are raw numbers, and not the rate of admission for each group.

I'll try again:

But the effectiveness of the vaccine hasn’t changed. So as vaccination rates
climb, the numbers of vaccinated people in ICU does too.

In Australia, 84.3% of the population are fully vaccinated, which explains the
higher number of vaccinated people in ICU—as only 13.4% are unvaccinated.

This means you have to look at the RATE (n per 100,000) of vaccinated to
unvaccinated in ICU rather than the raw number. Can I make it any clearer?

The effectiveness of the vaccine has changed those who make it say it doesn't work as well with Omicron which is why they are working new vaccines. More bullshit from you.

The hospital and vax rates i have are for NSW. It's dishonest to use vax figures for Australia when we are comparing vax rates in NSW to Hospital and ICU in NSW. Another attempt at bullshit from you. Victoria stopped publishing vax rates for those in Hospital they have that data they don't want to share it. I suspect NSW will also stop publishing this data.

We have had 0 unvaxxed people in ICU for the last 3 months so your suggested rate of n per 100K is currently 0 per 100k it can't get any lower than that.

;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

In NSW
14.7% unvaxxed
85.3% 1 shot
83.4% 2 shots, are adverse effects like Keryn Phelps and her wife had the reason for this 2% drop with getting a second shot?
53.4% has 3 shots, why did 30% of NSW say stuff it not having a 3rd shot?
19.4% have 4 or more.
We have vax rates and hospital-icu numbers for these vax rates.

Since we're just over a year from our double dose numbers with boosters suggested every 6 months we only have 19.4% fully vaxxed in NSW. This 19.4% of our population are leading the numbers for hospital icu and deaths.

Are you suffering from Dementia, Senility or just stupidity Old Boomer?

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 10^th, 2023 at 11:55pm

It looks like Pfizer lied again

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Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 11^th, 2023 at 12:00am

Director of the CDC Rochelle Walensky on video saying vaccinated people don't carry the virus they don't get sick

https://twitter.com/loudclown/status/1612529547018399744

Those with 4 or more shots in NSW have the highest numbers per 100K for hospital ICU and deaths.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by ShellShilo on Jan 11^th, 2023 at 1:53pm

More gaslighting the gullible masses.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/qbLt1e0rukPU/

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by aquascoot on Jan 11^th, 2023 at 7:30pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 8^th, 2023 at 11:51pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 8^th, 2023 at 11:19pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 8^th, 2023 at 6:53pm:

8.21 million people in NSW

14.7% unvaxxed
19.4% 4 or more clot shots

LOL... I can't believe you're still misinterpreting these data. Even after I've
explained it a couple of times here!

These are raw numbers, and not the rate of admission for each group.

I'll try again:

But the effectiveness of the vaccine hasn’t changed. So as vaccination rates
climb, the numbers of vaccinated people in ICU does too.

In Australia, 84.3% of the population are fully vaccinated, which explains the
higher number of vaccinated people in ICU—as only 13.4% are unvaccinated.

This means you have to look at the RATE (n per 100,000) of vaccinated to
unvaccinated in ICU rather than the raw number. Can I make it any clearer?

thats a telling stat and the absolute silence from the authorities MUST make you think something is up.

the covid debacle has probably made a lot of people lose faith in other vaccines .

we might see some tetanus and hep b and other serious diseases which could be prevented, having an uptick, because vaccines are clearly on the nose (at least with 80.6 % of the populationin the case of covid vac )

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 12^th, 2023 at 8:53pm

ShellShilo wrote on Jan 11^th, 2023 at 1:53pm:

More gaslighting the gullible masses.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/qbLt1e0rukPU/

Good interview with former 60 minutes journalist Lara Logan on the decline of journalism.

The covid vaccine makers were given legal indemnity with their products which allowed them to pull off the most lucrative fraud in history.

Pfizer CEO claimed vaccine was 100% effective in preventing covid cases in SA trial.

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Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by AusGeoff on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 5:09am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 1^st, 2023 at 1:44pm:

...Data clearly shows 4 or more clot shots have highest number of hospital admissions, ICU admissions and deaths.

I agree totally with that claim.    It makes perfect sense.

Unfortunately, when citing statistics, you don't understand
the difference between raw numbers and rate.   It's a critical one.

And I'm getting tired of trying to explain this simple concept
to people like you and the other anti-vaxxers here who make
the same mistake as you when citing hospital admissions and/or
deaths numbers.

   ::)

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 8:58am

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 5:09am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 1^st, 2023 at 1:44pm:

...Data clearly shows 4 or more clot shots have highest number of hospital admissions, ICU admissions and deaths.

Oh yes we do. Bill Gates wanted to knock off 15% of the world population with these vaccines. Looks like he is easily going to reach that target ;)

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/125/106/591/playable/9c9717474b863234.mp4

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Carl D on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 9:01am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 8:58am:

lol... no he didn't.

Video Targets Gates With Old Clip, Misleading Edit

;D

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 9:15am

Carl D wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 9:01am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 8:58am:

lol... no he didn't.

Video Targets Gates With Old Clip, Misleading Edit

;D

No carl that is what they want to do !!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BOTS9GAjc4

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 11:38pm

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 5:09am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 1^st, 2023 at 1:44pm:

...Data clearly shows 4 or more clot shots have highest number of hospital admissions, ICU admissions and deaths.

I do understand the difference and rate.

In post #40 i posted the rate for unvaxxed in NSW ICU and it's 0 per 100k for the last 3 months.

We have had zero zip zilch unvaxxed in NSW ICU for over 3 months which makes it easy to calculate.
:)

It's current data from NSW health unlike your outdated BS.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 11:48pm

Quote:

World Health Organization (WHO)
@WHO

“Vaccination is about protecting yourself, but it’s also an inherently altruistic act — you’re vaccinating yourself in order to be part of an immune group that will then protect those who can’t be vaccinated”

10:18 PM · Jan 19, 2023

https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1616032454762188801

The WHO spreading more misinformation.

How does being vaxxed protect the unvaxxed when these vaccines don't stop transmission?

Fauci and the CDC Director Walensky admitted these vaccines don't stop transmission in August 2021. We have known for over 18 months these vaccines don't stop vaccinated people from passing on this virus.

Pfizer would be happy with legal immunity some of the claims they made are fraudulent. They admitted in Europe Parliament they never tested if these vaccines could stop transmission. It's funny how people assumed a leaky non sterlising vaccine could prevent transmission when the real experts who have been proven right said it couldn't prevent transmission

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Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by AusGeoff on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 11:52pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 8:58am:

...Bill Gates wanted to knock off 15% of the world population with these vaccines. Looks like he is easily going to reach that target

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/125/106/591/playable/9c9717474b863234.mp4

Oh dear... just how simple minded are you? ::)

Gates says that the world's population is gonna increase from
6.8 billion people to 9 billion people, but that with vaccines etc
we can lower that 2.2 billion increase by 10- 15%.

Considering the parlous current state that the world finds itself
in, Gates's suggestion sounds perfectly logical to me.

And did that lardbucket seriously say Gates wanted to kill people?

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 12:01am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 1^st, 2023 at 1:44pm:

There is misinformation that being unvaxxed makes you many times more likely to end up in Hospital or ICU.
The data for NSW doesn't support this myth.

Quote:

Looks like Robert Malone was right with this prediction.

Funny how they call him anti vaxxer when he has had this covid vax along with adverse effects from it.

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Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by AusGeoff on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 12:07am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2023 at 11:48pm:

Quote:

The WHO spreading more misinformation.

How does being vaxxed protect the unvaxxed when these vaccines don't stop transmission?

Of course the vaccines don't stop transmission—as Fauci has said
numerous times. They're not meant to duh!

They're meant primarily to protect the individual from getting infected
and possibly ending up in ICU or even worse, dead.

And the more people who're vaccinated protect the unvaccinated as
the spread of the virus is largely curtailed, just as it is in Australia
right now.

The only reason the numbers of infected people are decreasing is due
entirely to the people who've done the right thing, and been vaccinated.
The anti-vaxxers should by now be thanking those of us who got the jab,
rather than disparaging us.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by AusGeoff on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 12:34am

Okay... firstly Doctor Robert Malone did not "invent mRNA technology".
While he was involved in some early research into the technology, his
role in its creation was minimal at best, say half a dozen Covid experts
and researchers, including three who worked closely with Malone.

The idea that he is the inventor of mRNA vaccines is “a totally false claim,”
said Dr. Gyula Acsadi, a pediatrician in Connecticut who along with Malone
and five others wrote a widely cited paper in 1990 showing that injecting
RNA into muscle could produce proteins.

But Malone was not the lead author on the paper and, according to Acsadi,
did not make a significant contribution to the research.

Malone has emerged as one of the most controversial voices of the
movement against coronavirus vaccines and health mandates. His
claims and suggestions have been discredited and denounced by
medical professionals as not only wrong, but also dangerous.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by aquascoot on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 6:50am

Carl D wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 9:01am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 8:58am:

lol... no he didn't.

Video Targets Gates With Old Clip, Misleading Edit

;D

It's interesting that the heads of both pfizer and moderna have been invited to the world economic forum
Presided over by Mr Bill Gates

Gates is now one of the largest private landholders in the United states
He is very keen to demolish the climate unfriendly cattle market lol
And get you all on processed carbs

This of course should ensure his friends in big pharma can continue to make massive profits treating all those sick diabetics cardiac patients hypertension etcetera etcetera that bill is helping to create

Surprise surprise the head of the Coca-Cola corporation is also invited to the world economic forum
Interesting that Mexico now has the highest rate of childhood obesity on the planet
Mexican children actually drink more Coca-Cola then water

This is also becoming a problem for India and China

Big tech
Big government
Big media
Big pharma
Big food

All getting together to decide your future

What could possibly go wrong ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Captain Caveman on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 8:31am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 6:50am:

Carl D wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 9:01am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 8:58am:

lol... no he didn't.

Video Targets Gates With Old Clip, Misleading Edit

;D

Absolutely disgusting how this can, and is allowed, to happen.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Carl D on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:03am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 6:50am:

Surprise, surprise that the heads of these large companies would be invited to a World Economic Forum.

What on earth were they thinking? ::)

"Presided over by Mr Bill Gates"

Really? You do know the meaning of the words presided over, don't you?

He didn't even confirm that he was attending and some people were even falsely claiming he'd withdrawn from the forum.

Posts falsely claim Bill Gates withdrew from Davos forum

Quote:

CLAIM: Billionaire philanthropist Bill Gates abruptly pulled out of the 2023 World Economic Forum gathering in Davos, Switzerland.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Gates was never confirmed to attend this year’s forum, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation said in a statement provided to The Associated Press. A spokesperson for the World Economic Forum also confirmed that the claim is false.

You're not just making things up again, are you?

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Mattyfisk on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 7:07pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 6:50am:

Carl D wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 9:01am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 17^th, 2023 at 8:58am:

lol... no he didn't.

Video Targets Gates With Old Clip, Misleading Edit

;D

Just so. When you're right, you're right.

Big tech
Big government
Big media
Big pharma
Big food

Big guys, big capital. Farming the Mexican chodes.

...And some, I assume, are good people.

The Superior Man, he on the "narrow path to success", a path few choose to tread or ascend its lofty heights: not so much a man as a God.

It's too late now, dear. If only there had been more chodes posting on anonymous internet forums to raise the alarm, eh?

Oh, well. Anything good on Netflix?

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Mattyfisk on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 7:36pm

Carl D wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 10:03am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 6:50am:

You're not just making things up again, are you?

Not at all. The "noble Scoot" has seen the light.

Look, he's a bit of a bullshitartist, he likes a good yarn.

But Aquascoot has finally stumbled onto the big picture.

Be it Jeff, Bill or Elon, it matters not. The Great Industrialists, the carpetbaggers of our age, exploit systems.

It's not personal. They may even want to be nice.

But without regulation, capitalism produces monopolies. Bill Gates is as much a symptom as an agent.

The noble Scoot is just making stuff up to highlight this truth.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 4:36pm

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 12:34am:

It appears you're only having a whinge about the role Robert had in developing mrna vaccines.

Robert is vaccinated he did get serious adverse effects should he have kept quiet to appease our benevolent dictators?

Care to comment on his prediction which NSW numbers show with more shots more likely to end up in ICU being correct?

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 4:55pm

Looks like the UK realise these vaccines aren't what people claim they are.

Quote:

JCVI statement on the COVID-19 vaccination programme for 2023: 8 November 2022

Updated 27 January 2023

Overview
During this time, the risk of severe COVID-19 continues to be disproportionately greater in those from older age groups, residents in care homes for older adults, and persons with certain underlying health conditions. Compared to the initial phases of the pandemic, much more is now understood regarding SARS-CoV2 infection.
(Bullshit- The Great Barrington Declaration knew this everyone dismissed them as fringe epidemiologists thanks to Fauci)

JCVI also advises that:

The 2021 booster offer (third dose) for persons aged 16 to 49 years who are not in a clinical risk group should close in alignment with the close of the autumn 2022 vaccination campaign[footnote 1]

primary course COVID-19 vaccination should move, over the course of 2023, towards a more targeted offer during vaccination campaigns to protect those persons at higher risk of severe COVID-19. This would include:

residents in a care home for older adults and staff working in care homes for older adults
frontline health and social care workers
all adults aged 50 years and over
persons aged 5 to 49 years in a clinical risk group, as set out in the Green Book
persons aged 12 to 49 years who are household contacts of people with immunosuppression
persons aged 16 to 49 years who are carers, as set out in the Green Book

research should be considered to inform the optimal timing of booster vaccinations to protect against severe COVID-19 (hospitalisations and deaths) for groups who are at different levels of clinical risk. (WTF why is there no data on this Pharma is making billions there is no excuse)

Considerations

Natural immunity alone provides good levels of protection against severe COVID-19

Not all hospitalisations and deaths ascribed to SARS-CoV-2 infection are vaccine-preventable events.

Due to the high transmissibility of the Omicron variant, together with infection that can be asymptomatic or only mildly symptomatic, persons who require hospital care for non-COVID-19 reasons may be coincidentally infected with SARS-CoV-2. Such hospitalisations are not preventable through COVID-19 vaccination

In contrast, some highly vulnerable individuals may develop severe COVID-19 despite being vaccinated; these individuals often have underlying health conditions that confer high susceptibility to severe disease from other infections as well. In the UK, during the Omicron era (up to week 43, 2022), the highest rates of hospitalisations were consistently observed in persons aged 75 years and over, while rates of infection (non-severe illness) were high across all ages and especially among younger persons

Revised estimates of the number needed to vaccinate (NNV) to prevent one hospitalisation during the Omicron era indicate that 800 persons aged 70 years and above would need to be given a booster in autumn 2022 (a fourth dose) to prevent one hospitalisation from COVID-19. The corresponding NNV for persons aged 50 to 59 years is 8,000 and for persons aged 40 to 49 years who are not in a clinical risk group is 92,500 (Appendix 1).

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-programme-for-2023-jcvi-interim-advice-8-november-2022/jcvi-statement-on-the-covid-19-vaccination-programme-for-2023-8-november-2022

Nice to see the UK government finally admitting The Great Barrington Declaration nailed it.

The FDA says everyone should get boosters the experts from the UK say those under 50 who are fit and healthy don't need them. ;)

The only thing bosters do is boost profits for big pharma.

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Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 4^th, 2023 at 2:03pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2023 at 12:01am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 1^st, 2023 at 1:44pm:

There is misinformation that being unvaxxed makes you many times more likely to end up in Hospital or ICU.
The data for NSW doesn't support this myth.

Quote:

Looks like Robert Malone was right with this prediction.

Funny how they call him anti vaxxer when he has had this covid vax along with adverse effects from it.

Virologists are talking about why those who are vaxxed to the max are topping hospital and ICU numbers around the world.

Interesting theory with the mrna vax instructing your body to produce spike proteins and boosting this production with boosters without being exposed to covid before booster results in your immune system ignoring the spike protein when you get infected as your immune system thinks the spike protein is harmless.

This means the vax actually leaves you defenceless against covid which might explain the large numbers of vaxxed to the max being in hospital and ICU.

It was assumed the 2 shots would offer protection without the need for 3+. There was no testing done with more than 2 shots.

It's pretty clear the vax doesn't work as claimed when looking at hospital and ICU numbers.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 15^th, 2023 at 10:16pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 1^st, 2023 at 1:44pm:

There is misinformation that being unvaxxed makes you many times more likely to end up in Hospital or ICU.
The data for NSW doesn't support this myth.

Quote:

NSW data shows vax isn't very good. If it works why are those with 4 or more shots topping the numbers?

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Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 15^th, 2023 at 10:18pm

With vax rates the intellectually dishonest like ausgeoff will exclude younger people from vax rates.

NSW hospital data includes all ages so vax rate data should be for all ages.

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Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 18^th, 2023 at 6:59pm

NSW health data

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Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 20^th, 2023 at 11:03pm

Interesting article it's long with plenty of info

Quote:

Safety of COVID-19 Vaccines in Patients with Autoimmune Diseases, in Patients with Cardiac Issues, and in the Healthy Population

Published: 2 February 2023

Abstract
We debate the real necessity of administering these products with unclear long-term effects to at-risk people with autoimmune conditions, as well as to healthy people, at the time of omicron variants.

The developed products with genetic bases are used mainly in high-income countries (the USA, Europe, Australia), and the use of mRNA-based vaccines is predominant [6,7 Variability of the SARS-CoV-2 virus is challenging, and the vaccines cannot effectively reduce virus spread

Currently, the real effectiveness of mRNA vaccines against Omicron variants is unclear and seems to be lower than that obtained with previous variants, even with a fourth dose [9,10]. Indeed, there are studies showing that, after several months following inoculation, the protection against COVID-19 disease obtained with mRNA vaccines almost completely wanes, unless further doses are taken, and this was noticed already at the time of the spreading of the Delta variant

Because there are people that have been negatively affected by the COVID-19 vaccinations—as some people have developed conditions including inflammatory cardiomyopathy, such as myocarditis or pericarditis, as well as neurological problems, thrombosis [17,18,19,20,21,22], and other more rare syndromes—it is possible that repeated boosts increase the occurrence of the mentioned adverse events. Given that Omicron variants appear more infectious but less lethal [23,24], the risk/benefit calculation, as underlined by a recent publication [18], may likely require updating.

Most importantly, inflammatory cardiomyopathy (myocarditis/pericarditis) seems to be among the predominant unwanted side effects of the genetic vaccines

2.2. Risk of Myo/Pericarditis in COVID-19 Infections and COVID-19 Vaccines
Of particular importance are myocarditis and pericarditis, partly because they determine undeniable long-term effects of the adverse event of vaccination. It was not clear immediately after the mass inoculation started that COVID-19 genetic vaccines could be associated with myocarditis/pericarditis and at which frequency.

For the calculation of the risk/benefit ratio, it is crucial to address whether COVID-19 really constitutes, for example, a major risk of myo/pericarditis as compared to the vaccines. An interesting study is worth mentioning: frequency of myo/pericarditis was examined in a longer follow-up period and in a high number of unvaccinated people in Israel who were recovering from COVID-19 disease [64]. Surprisingly, this study did not detect any increased risk of myo/pericarditis in people that had COVID-19. This is interesting because of the high number of people that were analyzed and the longer follow-up compared to the former studies. These findings seem to contradict data from the CDC

One last consideration about the cited papers on vaccine-induced myo/pericarditis is that some of these studies consider only events recorded in hospitals, thus excluding outpatients and underestimating subclinical cases (identified through instrumental/lab tests). Most studies tend to exclude from the count the events occurring in people with previous COVID-19, as the events are attributed to COVID-19.

A recent study found a very high risk of myocarditis in young adults, and the authors discuss how booster mandates at universities in the USA are expected to cause net harm in that per each COVID-19 hospitalization prevented, one can forecast at least 18.5 serious adverse events from mRNA vaccines.

Lastly, a recent study should still be mentioned for two reasons: frequency of cardiac manifestation and cost of monitoring people after vaccination. This study represents an active although limited survey of young people at school. In this study, after analyzing 4928 students after the second dose of the mRNA vaccine, the authors found that 17.1% of the students were affected with cardiac abnormalities.

4. Possible Mechanisms of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine-Induced Tissue/Organ Damage and Virus Immune Evasion Strategies

4.1. Spreading and Persistence of the SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein in the Body

At the beginning of the COVID-19 immunization campaign, many mass media and organs of health services all over the world repeated that the inoculated material would remain in the deltoid muscle, and only for a few days. The perception by the public was that the mRNA is quickly degraded, which does not apply to the modified mRNA used in the COVID-19 vaccines [100,103,106]. Bio-distribution studies, such as in ref. [103], on liposome micro-particles (LNPs) showed that the material does not stop at the inoculation site.

Much more here- https://www.mdpi.com/2076-0817/12/2/233

The spike protein your body makes from the vax isn't behaving like claimed from Pharma and their government lackeys. It's showing up in autopsies in other organs where it isn't supposed to be.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 22^nd, 2023 at 3:41pm

UK is less than 80% vaxxed.

If you had to pay for vax out of your own pocket you would be asking for a refund.

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Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Sophia on Mar 9^th, 2023 at 7:49am

Senator Alex Antic on COVID vaccinations….
Time for a liberty audit.
I have put it up here on 2 different media platforms in case some can’t get into Facebook.

https://fb.watch/j8KN2DO9hA/?mibextid=uc01c0

https://www.bitchute.com/video/m79I3DRwJXBn/

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Mar 11^th, 2023 at 7:38pm

Comedians nailing it with covid

https://twitter.com/HarrisonHSmith/status/1633585851375419392

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Captain Caveman on Mar 14^th, 2023 at 9:08am

Geoff or Carl out on the weekend.

https://youtu.be/IKJjpaPRSsI

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Mar 17^th, 2023 at 12:45am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 1^st, 2023 at 1:44pm:

There is misinformation that being unvaxxed makes you many times more likely to end up in Hospital or ICU.
The data for NSW doesn't support this myth.

Quote:

How many people still believe the lies Fauci told?

If you questioned this by not following his narrative you were accused of spreading misinformation you were censored banned from social media and discredited. All potential whistleblowers were shut down with Orwellian tactics.

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Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Frank on Mar 17^th, 2023 at 4:11pm

Just watched Thursday's show. WOW. The first 20 minutes were jaw-dropping.

https://www.steynonline.com/13331/the-show-ofcom-wont-let-you-see

What did I do that was so jaw-dropping? Nothing much: I simply noted the obvious problem with the constraints Ofcom had imposed on broadcasters in the wake of an unknown virus and a draconian and unprecedented state reaction to it. And then I read out various numbers from the UK Health Security Agency's April vaccine surveillance reports. Which apparently is not something that happens on other TV networks.

What follows is also of enduring relevance in a western world still operating under Covid constraints: My friend Leilani Dowding was on hand to comment on Covid's damage to free speech, followed by a former Mr Universe, Eddy Ellwood, who opened his gym in defiance of Matt Hancock et al, and promptly got fined 55,000 quid. Which is outrageous.

We rounded out the hour with Rod Liddle on a largely forgotten and failed prime minister, and with a lesson from Liberia for Boris Johnson's genitals.

To watch the show, simply click above. Per Ofcom's ruling, you will never see it again on UK TV - at least not until after I win my lawsuit.
Mark Steyn.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Mar 19^th, 2023 at 3:42pm

Nice video of vaccine efficacy news reports starting with 100% effective all the way down to less than 20% after 6 months then boosters are needed.

Big Pharma lied then got found out when it became obvious vaccines didn't work as well as they claimed.

Funny thing is quite a few still believe these vaccines offer protection against covid.

Amusing to watch how headlines changed with vax. ;D

https://twitter.com/NfTipto/status/1635460981772910592

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Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Apr 3^rd, 2023 at 11:56pm

Safe and effective is 2 lies not one

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A case of fatal multi-organ inflammation following COVID-19 vaccination

A 14-year-old Japanese girl died unexpectedly 2 days after receiving the third dose of the BNT1262b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccine. Autopsy findings showed congestive edema of the lungs, T-cell lymphocytic and macrophage infiltration in the lungs, pericardium, and myocardium of the left atria and left ventricle, liver, kidneys, stomach, duodenum, bladder, and diaphragm. Since there was no preceding infection, allergy, or drug toxicity exposure, the patient was diagnosed with post-vaccination pneumonia, myopericarditis, hepatitis, nephritis, gastroenteritis, cystitis, and myositis.

2.1. Autopsy findings

The deceased patient was 154 cm tall and weighed 43 kg. The patient’s body showed normal development and nutrition relative to her age. No superficial injuries were observed, except for injection marks from emergency medical treatment.

A COVID-19 antigen quantification test performed using a nasopharyngeal swab taken before autopsy yielded negative results.The serum collected at autopsy tested negative for adenovirus, cytomegalovirus, influenza virus (A, B), respiratory syncytial virus, Epstein-Barr virus, enterovirus (70, 71), parvovirus, and human immunodeficiency virus. Quantitative testing for the COVID-19 antigen using nasopharyngeal swabs yielded negative results.

The results of polymerase chain reaction tests performed for COVID-19 using swabs from the lung, heart, liver, kidney, stomach, duodenum, diaphragm, and cerebrum after formalin fixation were also negative.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1344622323000548

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Carl D on Apr 4^th, 2023 at 12:11am

Very tragic and sad.

But, again... how many lives have been saved by the Covid vaccines compared to the very low number of deaths which may have been caused by them?

And, it's not like the Covid vaccines are the only vaccines to have ever caused health issues and sometimes even deaths although one could be excused for thinking that after reading some of the threads and posts here.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Captain Caveman on Apr 4^th, 2023 at 5:10am

Carl D wrote on Apr 4^th, 2023 at 12:11am:

None.
I'm am living proof.
You don't need a vaccine to survive covid.
The footage at the start of all of this rubbish was all propaganda. Every single clip was total bullshyte by media.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 12:32am

Carl D wrote on Apr 4^th, 2023 at 12:11am:

Very tragic and sad.

But, again... how many lives have been saved by the Covid vaccines compared to the very low number of deaths which may have been caused by them?

What was the case fatality rate up to the far more deadly Delta variant with less than 15% vaxxed?

I would say the vax has done SFA have a look at WA was 90% vaxxed with no covid before they opened up.

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Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by AusGeoff on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 3:53am

LOL... this CFR data has been posted several times now, but it's
more than obvious the fraidy cats, like Baronvonrort, still don't
understand what it means. Sad really.

::)

HINT: It has nothing to do with the effectiveness or otherwise of the vaccines.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 6:46pm

Massive increase with young people going to emergency depts for heart trouble with vaccine roll out.

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Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Carl D on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 8:21am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 6:46pm:

Massive increase with young people going to emergency depts for heart trouble with vaccine roll out.

I don't suppose you can think of any other significant event that commenced in Australia 2 years ago that might be responsible, can you?

Hint: this "event" is still ongoing and doesn't appear to be showing signs of ending in the foreseeable future, if ever.

If you need more clues feel free to ask (you get a maximum of 3 because my patience will have expired by then if you still can't figure it out ).

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Jun 28^th, 2023 at 11:20pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 8:21am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 6:46pm:

Massive increase with young people going to emergency depts for heart trouble with vaccine roll out.

If it was something else like you falsely claim then there should be a large spike in the pre vax period on that graph.

The TGA say Myocarditis and Pericarditis are side effects of the vax.

The Israeli study with over 600,000 people showed unvaxxed who caught covid didn't get Myocarditis. I have linked that study numerous times did you comprehend it or does it go against your Branch Covidian beliefs?

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Jun 28^th, 2023 at 11:24pm

Quote:

Jay Bhattacharya
@DrJBhattacharya
Professor Stanford School of Medicine. MD, PhD. Health policy: infectious diseases, covid, health economics. Scientific freedom.

Stunning FOIA revelation! Three quick items:
1. @CDCgov
director Walensky knew about vax "breakthrough" infections in January 2021. So did Tony Fauci.
2. They continued to push vax mandates anyway.
3. CDC is abusing its FOIA redaction privilege. This is not a classified email.

https://twitter.com/DrJBhattacharya/status/1670979162558042112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1670979162558042112%7Ctwgr%5Eb04258d019f495a25f6ecbf17430e5bcf9e15098%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fredstate.com%2Fbobhoge%2F2023%2F06%2F20%2Fcdc-email-shows-biden-admin-knew-vaccines-didnt-stop-covid-yet-forced-them-on-the-nation-anyway-n764629

The vaccine mandates were imposed on bullshit beliefs.

The cited emails show the CDC lied about the vaccine being effective.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Frank on Jun 29^th, 2023 at 12:52am

Steyn Sues the UK Censor Ofcom

Breaking news from Ofcom!

We can today confirm we will not be pursuing complaints made about ITV's coverage of the Coronation of King Charles III. Some viewers complained about comments made on the Royal family's appearance on the Buckingham Palace balcony.

According to its decision, Ofcom received 8,371 complaints about a comment actress Adjoa Andoh made about the balcony being "terribly white".

Our decision to not pursue these complaints further also takes into account broadcasters' and guests' right to freedom of expression.

Right-o.

Meanwhile, Mark was convicted in Ofcom's pseudo court after only 4 complaints in which he presented his take on official government numbers...

The Mark Steyn Show in question aired last year on April 21st. Ofcom's made a preliminary decision about it on November 4th (more on that later) and its final decision on March 6th.

A few weeks later, Mark's solicitor put Ofcom on notice. And, last month Mark's barristers exchanged "pre-action" correspondence with Ofcom suggesting they reverse their erroneous and illegal decision. They didn't.

So last week, Mark's KC Gavin Millar filed a petition seeking judicial review by the King's Bench Division of the High Court.
https://www.steynonline.com/13536/steyn-sues-the-uk-censor-ofcom

I hope he wins. I actually beg he will.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Sir lastnail on Jun 29^th, 2023 at 1:05pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 8:21am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 24^th, 2023 at 6:46pm:

Massive increase with young people going to emergency depts for heart trouble with vaccine roll out.

the planets aligned or a major solar flare or biden remembered what day of the week it was ??

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Sir lastnail on Jun 29^th, 2023 at 1:21pm

Carl D wrote on Apr 4^th, 2023 at 12:11am:

so you still want punters to juice themselves up with this poison carl ? You and geoff must be the only ones now.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Sophia on Jul 2^nd, 2023 at 3:54am

Has there been mention or discussion of how…..

“IgG4 Antibodies Induced by Repeated Vaccination May Generate Immune Tolerance to the SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein” yet?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37243095/

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Sophia on Jul 2^nd, 2023 at 11:44am

Sophia wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2023 at 3:54am:

Worth a discussion? :-/

Abstract

Less than a year after the global emergence of the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2, a novel vaccine platform based on mRNA technology was introduced to the market. Globally, around 13.38 billion COVID-19 vaccine doses of diverse platforms have been administered. To date, 72.3% of the total population has been injected at least once with a COVID-19 vaccine. As the immunity provided by these vaccines rapidly wanes, their ability to prevent hospitalization and severe disease in individuals with comorbidities has recently been questioned, and increasing evidence has shown that, as with many other vaccines, they do not produce sterilizing immunity, allowing people to suffer frequent re-infections. Additionally, recent investigations have found abnormally high levels of IgG4 in people who were administered two or more injections of the mRNA vaccines. HIV, Malaria, and Pertussis vaccines have also been reported to induce higher-than-normal IgG4 synthesis. Overall, there are three critical factors determining the class switch to IgG4 antibodies: excessive antigen concentration, repeated vaccination, and the type of vaccine used. It has been suggested that an increase in IgG4 levels could have a protecting role by preventing immune over-activation, similar to that occurring during successful allergen-specific immunotherapy by inhibiting IgE-induced effects. However, emerging evidence suggests that the reported increase in IgG4 levels detected after repeated vaccination with the mRNA vaccines may not be a protective mechanism; rather, it constitutes an immune tolerance mechanism to the spike protein that could promote unopposed SARS-CoV2 infection and replication by suppressing natural antiviral responses. Increased IgG4 synthesis due to repeated mRNA vaccination with high antigen concentrations may also cause autoimmune diseases, and promote cancer growth and autoimmune myocarditis in susceptible individuals.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Linus on Jul 2^nd, 2023 at 12:18pm

That is alarming. But at the moment it sounds tentative..."emerging evidence". "could"... In other words, more research needs to be done.

I've been fully vaccinated and have had the boosters. All seems fine. But the above abstract is something to be mindful of.

I'll definitely be watching developments before next year's booster.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Jul 2^nd, 2023 at 5:49pm

Sophia wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2023 at 11:44am:

Sophia wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2023 at 3:54am:

Geert Vandebossche predicted the vaccine would overpower innate immunity leaving you vulnerable looks like he was right.

There has been an increase with cancers the pro vaxxers will say people missed treatment during lockdowns those with open minds will consider all possibilities.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Frank on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 11:45am

A district court in Louisiana ordered the FBI, the White House, the department of health, and a slew of other agencies to cease all communication with social media companies for “the purpose of urging, encouraging, pressuring, or inducing in any manner the removal, deletion, suppression, or reduction of content containing protected free speech.”

“If the allegations made by Plaintiffs are true, the present case arguably involves the most massive attack against free speech in United States’ history,” wrote Judge Terry Doughty in a 155 page judgement that observers expect the Biden administration to appeal.

A group of public health academics and the states of Missouri and Louisiana brought the case last year, claiming various arms of the US government had pressured Facebook and Twitter to censor or shadow ban posts about Covid19.

Posts of the plaintiffs that were removed included claims Covid19 came from a lab in Wuhan, that masks were ineffective, that lockdowns were excessively costly, that vaccine mandates were wrong, that Covid19 vaccines didn’t stop transmission and led to health risks for young people.

“The right to free speech is not a member of any political party and does not hold any political ideology. It is the purpose of the Free Speech Clause of the First Amendment to preserve an uninhibited marketplace of ideas in which truth will ultimately prevail, rather than to countenance monopolisation of the market, whether it be by government itself or private licensee,” the judge wrote.

He said the plaintiffs “have presented substantial evidence in support of their claims that they were the victims of a far-reaching and widespread censorship campaign.”

“[T]he evidence produced thus far depicts an almost dystopian scenario … During the COVID-19 pandemic, a period perhaps best characterised by widespread doubt and uncertainty, the United States Government seems to have assumed a role similar to an Orwellian ‘Ministry of Truth.’”
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/judge-rules-joe-biden-administration-trampled-on-free-speech-on-social-media/news-story/5bc2ee8247d7d2a5f9482699b9537e90

The verdict comes as governments in Australia and the UK introduce legislation to boost government’s power to compel social media companies to censor viewpoints deemed misinformation and disinformation.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Sophia on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 4:40pm

Quote:

Amazing hypocrisy isn’t it? ::)

So many gag orders and deletion in the media world of what didn’t suit the narrative yet at the same time pushed their own agenda so freely and hindered! Using famous people to do the urging also!

Once I found this out… I totally did not trust anything the convid jab pushers were doing.
All I saw was evil.

It was BS saying it’s free choice but it’s “no jab no job” otherwise. Herding and backing people into a corner.

All I saw was divisional tactics when they blatantly said “it’s a pandemic of the unvaccinated”
So who is filling hospitals with corona now?????

Oh but that’s not openly admitted about is it now? !!!

Funny how they shut their mouths and it’s all hush hush.
No more blaming/accusing unvaxxed then?
What’s changed that you think?

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Sophia on Jul 16^th, 2023 at 1:52pm

Well now it’s gone too far! This is lunacy.
Next trick ….they will only attend house fires of the vaxxed and ignore the unvaxxed? ::)
This divisive BS has grown tiresome.

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Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Frank on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 12:08pm

The only silver lining of the Covid-19 pandemic was to show in real time how hopelessly wrong the so-called “scientific consensus” can be, whether it’s about the effectiveness of lockdowns, vaccines, masks or even the origin and nature of the virus itself.
Adam Creighton

This something to be put on large banners and display at every parliament house and media outlet as a kind of memento mori of stupidity and hyperbole by politicians and their media keepers.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on May 8^th, 2024 at 8:24pm

Quote:

AstraZeneca vaccine withdrawn after fatal blood clot revelation

AstraZeneca’s Vaxzevria Covid vaccine has been withdrawn globally, a year after it was discontinued in Australia.

May 8, 2024

AstraZeneca’s Covid vaccine has been withdrawn globally after admitting it causes adverse side effects.

As reported by the UK’s Telegraph, the Anglo-Swedish pharmaceutical producer withdrew the vaccine globally on Tuesday, UK time.

It comes after Australia’s Therapeutic Goods Authority discontinued use of the AstraZeneca vaccine in April 2023.

On April 30, AstraZeneca conceded that the vaccine, sold under the name Vaxzevria, can cause fatal blood clots and low platelet counts. The admission came through court documents in a UK class action lawsuit that sought £100 million for almost 50 victims of AstraZeneca vaccine side effects.

The application to withdraw the vaccine was made on March 5 and came into effect on May 7.

In June 2021 the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation recommended that Australians over the age of 60 avoid taking Vaxzevria.

The last batch in Australia reportedly expired on March 21, 2023.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/astrazeneca-vaccine-withdrawn-after-fatal-blood-clot-revelation/news-story/b94023cfa237c74b26fc329855c6b51a

The last batch we had was thrown out people didn't want to get another clot shot.

People were forced to take this clot shot or be fired from jobs locked out of society they had to show vax papers to go shopping.

3 years after it was approved the manufacturer withdrew it because of risks.

Another win for the conspiracy theorists. ;)

Politicians who didn't toe the party line were excommunicated

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Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on May 8^th, 2024 at 10:56pm

Quote:

CNN lefty-luvy Chris Cuomo admits he is taking IVERMECTIN for long Covid

"Ivermectin was a bogey man early on in Covid, that was wrong, we were given bad information about Ivermectin", Cuomo said.

Cuomo also stated that his doctor was using Ivermectin to treat her patients during Covid and it was working and that "Joe Rogan was right"

https://twitter.com/CraigKellyPHON/status/1788179962333417669

Another win for ~~conspiracy theorists~~ those who got it right.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Yadda on May 9^th, 2024 at 7:12am

Frank wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 12:08pm:

The only silver lining of the Covid-19 pandemic was to show in real time
how hopelessly ~~wrong~~ the so-called “scientific consensus” can be,
whether it’s about the effectiveness of lockdowns, vaccines, masks or even the origin and nature of the virus itself.
Adam Creighton

This something to be put on large banners and display at every parliament house and media outlet as a kind of memento mori of stupidity and hyperbole by politicians and their media keepers.

frank,

Despite Adam Creighton's good intent, he still used the wrong word, imo.

The only silver lining of the Covid-19 pandemic was to show in real time
how hopelessly FRAUDULENT the so-called “scientific consensus” can be,
whether it’s about the effectiveness of lockdowns, vaccines, masks or even the origin and nature of the virus itself.

FIXED.

fraudulent = = done by or involving fraud. deceitful or dishonest.

critical thinking = = is an agent of true scientific method

QUOTE; "Science isn't 'science', if people can no longer question it!"

i.e.
'Science' [human knowledge] 'evolves', and has always increased, ONLY, when people have been permitted to questioned 'todays' scientific status quo.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Frank on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 8:17pm

Robert Redfield, the former head of the US Centre for Disease Control and Prevention, said mandating Covid-19 vaccine was a “terrible decision” and lockdowns and school closures were a “big mistake”.

Dr Redfield, an esteemed virologist who led the CDC from 2018 to 2021, said the pharmaceutical giants had a “huge influence” on convincing governments that everyone including children should be coerced into being vaccinated and boosted during the pandemic.

“We absolutely never should have mandated vaccines, it was a terrible decision … the rationale for mandating vaccines for healthy firefighters and policemen, those in the military, hospital workers, teachers, was emotional, It wasn’t and it shouldn’t have happened,” he said in an interview with Chris Cuomo published on Wednesday (Thursday AEST).

Dr Redfield, 72, said the Covid-19 vaccines, which the Biden administration worked to prevent serious illness and death for vulnerable, older patients “over 65” but weren’t suitable for health young people, didn’t prevent transmission and wore off after six months at most.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Sprintcyclist on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 8:39pm

Over 7,000,000 died from covid

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Frank on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 9:10pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 8:39pm:

Over 7,000,000 died from covid

And how does relate or relevant, in any way, to what Redfield said?

You can be spiritual all you like, sprinty, but that is no free pass to being stupid all you like.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by UnSubRocky on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 9:33pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 8:39pm:

Over 7,000,000 died from covid

700,000,000 recovered from covid, too. Right now, there is a bit of an outbreak around town here of covid and influenza. With the agricultural Show coming up in a few days, we will be seeing a severe 'flu epidemic in CQ. But just about 100% of us will recover.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Baronvonrort on Jun 8^th, 2024 at 6:20pm

Quote:

Deceased COVID-19 vaccine recipient payments and funeral costs

In cases involving death you may be eligible for payment and support for funeral costs. We’ll make this payment to the deceased’s estate.

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/deceased-covid-19-vaccine-recipient-payments-and-funeral-costs-you-can-claim-through-covid-19?context=55953

Nice of the Government to pay funeral costs when they forced people to take the vax.

Is this an admission the vax can kill you?

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Carl D on Jun 8^th, 2024 at 6:35pm

I wonder if the government has been paying the funeral costs for the more than 24,000 (and counting) people who have died from Covid in Australia so far? Including the 6,600 (and counting) aged care deaths?

No, I didn't think so.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by UnSubRocky on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 2:56pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 8^th, 2024 at 6:35pm:

Are you trying to say that these people would not have died from the common cold? I worked with a girl who had a compromised immune system. When she got covid, she was out of work for at least 2 weeks.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by aquascoot on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 3:04pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 8^th, 2024 at 6:35pm:

you are off your rocker

they should, instead, bill their estate for the PPE and masks that were wasted on this "mild respiratory virus"

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Carl D on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 5:41pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 2:56pm:

Carl D wrote on Jun 8^th, 2024 at 6:35pm:

What I am trying to say is these people died from SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) which is still classed as a Level 3 Biohazard - one level above influenza - and is NOT a "common cold".

aquascoot wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 3:04pm:

you are off your rocker

they should, instead, bill their estate for the PPE and masks that were wasted on this "mild respiratory virus"

You're still an idiot.

But, once again, I must give you points for persistence.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Carl D on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 5:50pm

And... I'm STILL waiting for proof (real proof) that SARS-CoV-2 is now just a "common cold" or a "mild respiratory virus".

This will be me by the time I get to see it:

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Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by UnSubRocky on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:29pm

If you can die from the common cold, you would definitely die from covid. Mum and Dad caught covid. They said it was like a strong cold. 900 people died from the influenza virus in 2017.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by UnSubRocky on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:31pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 5:50pm:

And... I'm STILL waiting for proof (real proof) that SARS-CoV-2 is now just a "common cold" or a "mild respiratory virus".

This will be me by the time I get to see it:

You should be satisfied by people's own experience of covid. A type 1 diabetic said that her insulin was practically useless when she caught covid. I would wonder how I would fare if I caught covid. Not sure if I have ever had it, yet.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by ShellShilo on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 9:20pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 5:50pm:

And... I'm STILL waiting for proof (real proof) that SARS-CoV-2 is now just a "common cold" or a "mild respiratory virus".

This will be me by the time I get to see it:

Exactly what would you call ANY illness that

99.9% of its victims recover(vaccinated or not)?
60% of its victims are asymptomatic?
80% of its victims have zero to mild symptoms?
90% of all victims had other pre-existing chronic conditions(comorbiditie) on their death certificate?
just over 90% of all covid-19 deaths(2023), were Australians over 70yo?

would you call it a deadly plague? Pestilence?

Somehow I don't think you're interested in the truth. And, providing evidence to closed-minded people is just an excercise in futility. The facts that I deposit(that you dismiss/ignore) are very important.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Carl D on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 10:53pm

What I'm especially interested in is why is it that after centuries of mankind going to great lengths to eradicate or reduce many diseases and illnesses it has now become 'normal' for people to become infected with a dangerous virus like SARS-CoV-2. Repeatedly in many, many cases.

And no effort whatsover is being made to do anything about it.

Same with the flu and other respiratory illnesses. Vaccines help of course but common sense would suggest that you really shouldn't be getting infected anyway if you can avoid it.

Vaccines should be the "last line of defence", not the first.

And our governments, businesses and the media are now perfectly OK with this happening.

It really is quite bizarre. In fact, it reminds me of something:

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Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Carl D on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 12:40am

Interesting thread at the Whirlpool Forums about peoples' Covid 'experiences'.

Quite a long thread so I'll just post links to the last 3 pages:

Page 97

Page 98

Page 99

Doesn't seem like "just a cold" or a "mild respiratory illness" to me after reading a lot of those posts.

And yet, no one there seems to think what's happened (and is still happening) to them is unusual in any way.

As I said - quite bizarre.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by ShellShilo on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 1:16am

Carl D wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 10:53pm:

I think what is bazarre is the knee-jerk government response to this virus. Masks, distancing, isolation, business closures, med. ID cards, isolation camps, jab or job, etc., were not well thought out. And, were impossible to inforce. If you're going to take choice away from people, you'd better be sure that you're 100% right. The key question here(I've asked before), just how far are you willing to go for the greater good?

But the idea that we can somehow prevent anyone from being infected by any pathogen is insane at worst, and ludicrous at best. We can only help the body fight the pathogen. If you can find a way to prevent anyone from catching a cold, you could win the Nobel Prize in Medicine.

Viruses have been on this planet billions of years before man. They're like rocks until they can find a host. Our immune system has had millions of years of experience in protecting itself from pathogens. It has evolved three lines of defense against them. Vaccines were never a part of the system's defense. In fact, vaccines can do unnecessary harm in themselves. ALL vaccines are pathogens!

Since the global population has continued to grow, overpopulation is a greater threat to mankind than any virus.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by aquascoot on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 5:19am

Carl D wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 10:53pm:

you're quite bizarre carl.

most people see covid as a gift from nature

it helps to ease the suffering unwell elderly into the afterlife with minimal pain and it has little effect on the young.

most people are glad covid arrived and could not give a toss about it.

they see people like you and dr berger as narrcisistic sociopaths with extreme attachment to their own egos and no interest in letting others live their lives with joy

they would consider you both sick and the fact berger has been sanctioned and you continue to obsess on this non issue says more about you then about most sane rational people ::) ::)

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Carl D on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 7:20am

*sigh*

All I can say is - enjoy your constant (re)infections.

Especially aquascoot who is obviously deranged or (more likely) just a common or garden troll.

Let's see how we go when "bird flu" goes on the rampage with it's 50% + fatality rate after it mutates into a human to human transmission variant (if it hasn't already).

And it doesn't look like any efforts are being made to prevent that happening because all the same mistakes that were made with SARS-CoV-2 four and a half years ago are now being made with "bird flu".

"Low risk to humans at this stage".
"No evidence of direct human to human transmission".
"No need for lockdowns".
"No need for mask mandates".
"No need to restrict travel", etc., etc.

And when the bird poop hits the whirly thing I'm sure we'll be hearing things like "No one could have foreseen this" and "Just wash your hands and you'll be fine".

We really are the most stupid species on the planet.

I've always held the opinion that if a large asteroid was on a collision course with Earth and it was going to wipe out all life there would still be many stupid, greedy people trying to make as much money as they could right up until the end. Same goes for a civilization ending pandemic.

Ciao, boys. Have fun.

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Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by aquascoot on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 12:00pm

Same goes for a civilization ending pandemic.

you ARE kidding surely ?

i assure you civilisation has not ended due to a mild respiratory virus. ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by aquascoot on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 12:01pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 7:20am:

Same goes for a civilization ending pandemic.

you ARE kidding surely ?

i assure you civilisation has not ended due to a mild respiratory virus. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Carl D on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 1:16pm

You must have gotten so 'excited' there you ended up posting it twice. ::)

Anyway, go back and read my last post again.

Did I say that...

(a) SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19)

or

(b) "Bird Flu" (H5N1, H5N2 and several more)

... would or could be civilization ending pandemics?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by ShellShilo on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 3:27pm

Carl D wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 1:16pm:

A civilization-ending flu pandemic? Well, considering that avian influenza(including its variants) have killed 463 people since 2003, it will take another 1.18M years to kill everyone in Australia alone. Provided that every variant stays the same. So, it's really not a rational worry.

Unless you are God, you couldn't answer yes or no, if any virus could/would be civilization ending. And based on the last 7 million years of hominins on this planet, and the fact that you are able to ask the question, I'd say absolutely NOT GONNA HAPPEN!! No matter how much you seem to want it to.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Frank on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 10:09pm

It was never about healf 'n safety.

It was always about control. It will be about control next time.

https://x.com/MarkSteynOnline/status/1803927063629373930

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Frank on Jul 21^st, 2024 at 11:46am

Baroness Hallett, one of those bedevilling baronesses who so afflict the realm, has now issued the first part of her UK Covid inquiry. You can download the full pdf here, and I urge you to read it- which is not a thing I expected to say. But that's because I was going by the instant reaction of the Brit wanker media, which, having spent four years as pom-pom girls for lockdown, is not prepared to give up on it. From the Beeb:

UK 'failed citizens' with flawed pandemic plans

From the news coverage of Lady Hallett's report, it all sounds very Starmeresque: the only mistake governments made was not to lock down harder and faster.

In fact, her ladyship is (by the standards of these things) fairly brutal on the way "non-pharmaceutical interventions" (lockdown) were adopted with no consideration of "their potential side-effects". A few morsels:

6.52. The scientific advice received by the UK government ...was not subject to sufficient external challenge by either ministers or officials.

There was no institutional guard against the risks of conventional wisdom becoming embedded in the institutions responsible... Mr Hunt accepted that 'collectively we didn't put anything like the time and effort and energy' into... challenging the consensus. The Inquiry agrees.

6.59. The aim should be to end the culture of consensus in which orthodoxy becomes entrenched.

6.95. What happens if the disease affects only a particular section of the population? Is there a point at which the collateral impact of interventions may not be worth the price, because not enough lives are saved compared with the societal and economic costs of the interventions?

UK 'failed citizens' with flawed pandemic plans

'They failed everyone'

The wrong strategy

Groupthink

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c6p2dng6z04o

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Carl D on Jul 21^st, 2024 at 1:01pm

Still waiting to see if the UK Covid Inquiry gets a mention in the media here.

Chirping crickets so far.

I'm guessing our pollies, big business and the media would be feeling more than a little 'uncomfortable' right now and hoping it stays that way seeing as Australia followed the same disastrous "vaccines only and let it rip" path as the UK, the US and many other countries did.

Title: Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Post by Carl D on Jul 26^th, 2024 at 8:55am

Yes, Sue.

I am certain there is.

https://x.com/SMpwrgr/status/1816483893278917097

Quote:

Is there an international handbook on how to screw citizens who can’t medically tolerate mRNA vaccines?

Because it seems they’re all complicit in denying access to Novavax one way or another 🤨

It's the latest chapter in the international "Let Covid Rip With Inadequate and/or Out Of Date Vacccines And Too Bad If The Elderly And Medically Vulnerable People Die (For The Economy)" handbook.

As I've said before - this entire worldwide "let it rip" surrender to Covid was well planned and orchestrated once "they" realised Covid wasn't "going away" or becoming "mild", I'm absolutely certain of it... and no doubt masterminded by the rich and powerful who control all western governments (including the Australian government).

Some comments:

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