Among Cannibals
The ecology movement has led to a
revival of interest in pre-industrial
societies, especially those based on a
hunting and gathering mode of subsistence. The rapid disappearance of such
societies in recent decades, has made
accounts of their traditional way of life
particularly valuable. A major example is
the work of the anthropologist and naturalist Carl Lumholtz, who spent fouryears
living among the aborigines of Queensland, at a time when aboriginal culture
had only been minimally affected by
European contact. Lumholtz’s book is in
the form of a biographical narrative, and
not only gives a full description of his
personal experience, but also presents
details of aborigine life and culture. The
book contains over one hundred black and-white illustrations covering all
aspects of aborigine culture and
Australian wildlife.

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AMONG CANNIBALS
Account of Four Years Travels
in Australia, and o f Camp Life with
the Aborigines of Queensland

T thereupon selected Northern Queensland as the field
of my chief exploration, and here I spent fourteen months
in constant travel and study. From A ugust 1882 to July
1883 I made my headquarters in the valley of the short
but comparatively broad and deep H erbert river, which
empties itself into the Pacific Ocean at about 180 S. lat., and
there I lived alone among a race of people whose culture— if
indeed they can be said to have any culture whatever—
must be characterised as the lowest to be found among
the whole genus homo sapiens. Not only are m any of the
A ustralian aborigines cannibals, but most of the tribes have
not yet emerged from the Stone Age in the history of their
development. Others h a/e studied the ethnographic peculiarities of this race ; but my predecessors have mainly
directed their attention to the tribes of the southern part
of Australia, which in m any respects have attained a higher
intellectual development than their northern kinsmen.

C H A P T E R XIII
JMongan, a new mammal—For my collection or to feed the blacks?—Natives do
not eat raw meat—A young yarri—A meteorite— Fear of attacks—Cannibals
on the war-path—The relations between the tribes . . Pages 188-194


C H A P T E R XXII
Unpleasantnesses at Herbert Vale— New expeditions— Hunting human flesh—
Cannibalism— Human flesh is the greatest delicacy of the Australian blacks
— Superstitions in connection with the eating of human flesh— The taste
of the cannibals—Cannibalism in Burma . . . 292-297

Upon the whole their civilisation was of a rather low
order. Eleven days before my arrival they had killed and
eaten a man of another tribe on some hills near the farm.
They returned triumphant, and boasted of their inhuman
act. When they were abused for having eaten a man,
they gradually became silent, and understood that it was
something which the whites did not do and which accordingly
was not right. This is always the habit of the Australian
natives : as long as they remain in their native condition
they make no secret of their cannibalism, but continued
intercourse with the whites teaches them to regard it as
something which is not comme il fa u t. Yet they keep up
this infamous custom in secret before abandoning it altogether.
I was continually with the natives, both during the day
and in the evening, hunting animals, and I was very much
amused by the companionship of these children of nature.
The blacks of Herbert river gave me from the very beginning
an increased interest in the Australian race.
The boomerang was rare in these regions, for in the
large scrubs there is no use for it. On the other hand I
frequently saw another weapon, the “ nolla-nolla ” or club, the
warlike weapon of the Australian native most commonly in
use. It is a piece of hard and heavy wood sharpened to a
point at both ends. One end is thick, and tapers gradually
to the other end, which is made rough in order to give the
hand a more secure hold ; in using the weapon the heavy
end is thrown back before it is hurled.

What they lack in personal courage they make up by
craft and cunning. If they can kill their enemies by a
treacherous attack, they do so without hesitation. T he
attacked party takes to flight, each one thinking of his own
safety alone, for self-preservation is their only law.
The Australians are cannibals. A fallen foe, be it man,
woman, or child, is eaten as the choicest delicacy ; they know
no greater luxury than the flesh of a black man. There are
superstitious notions connected with cannibalism, and though
they have no idols and no form of divine worship, they
seem to fear an evil being who seeks to haunt them, but
of whom their notions are very vague. Of a supreme good
being they have no conception whatever, nor do they believe
in any existence after death. Such are in brief the main
characteristics of the Australian native as I came to know
him on the H erbert river.

Unpleasantnesses at Herbert Vale — New expeditions—Hunting human flesh—
Cannibalism— Human flesh is the greatest delicacy of the Australian
blacks— Superstitions in connection with the eating of human flesh—The
taste of the cannibals

W hen they have found a small family tribe to be attacked,
they try to stay near their camp in the evening. N othing
having happened to cause apprehension during the day,
the family sits com paratively secure round the camp fire.
E arly in the morning, before sunrise, a noise is suddenly
heard and the family wakes up in a fright. T he black
m an’s highly-wrought fancy always makes him im agine that
his enemies are far more numerous than they are in reality.
Each one tries to save his life as best he can ; resistance
being out of the question, there is no gallant defence of
women and children. Each one has to look after h im self;
and it is generally worst for the old individuals, who are
killed and eaten. A woman is as a rule splendid booty ; if
she be young her life is generally spared, but if she be old
she is first ravished and then killed and eaten.
T he natives of N orthern Queensland and of m any other
parts of A ustralia are cannibals. My people never made
any secret of this, and in the evenings it was the leading topic
of their conversation, which finally both disgusted and irritated me. T he greatest delicacy known to the A ustralian
native is hum an flesh.

Mr. W hite has informed me that the natives south of
the Carpentarian Gulf also are cannibals to some extent.
They never kill anybody for the purpose of eating him, but
the women eat those who die a natural death ; near Moreton
Bay the dead are also eaten, and by their own relatives.
In W estern Queensland, at W estlands station on Thompson
river, a woman belonging to a tribe of civilised blacks gave
birth to a so-called half-caste child— that is, the offspring of a
black m other and a white father. Such half-breeds are not
as a rule much liked, and are therefore usually killed by the
blacks who are in the first stages of civilisation. In this
instance the blacks had indeed been in long intercourse
with white people, and still the child was killed. It was
perm itted to live about three weeks, but one day one of the
men put his hand round its neck and held it up till it was
choked to death. Thereupon it was roasted on the fire and
distributed among those present, and eaten most greedily.
M any of the white people at the station were witnesses of
this event. It is not known whether the m other in this
instance ate any of the flesh of her child or not.

Lumholtz, wrote a book about his experience, "Among Cannibals: An Account of Four Years' Travels in Australia and of Camp Life with the Aborigines of Queensland," first published in 1889.

Tough luck, Matty another account from over a century ago.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

the late Dr C.G. von Brandenstein, who learnt at least four Pilbara languages, told me once that in hard times, dead infants would routinely go ‘into the pot’.

The Linguist von Brandenstein who worked with these people for 30 years was an eye witness and spoke of "dead infants would routinely go ‘into the pot’."

So that is from 1960 to 1990 from an eminent scholar...

But according to you it never happened.

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So tiresome, such boring stuff, all over a century or more ago. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2022 at 3:47pm:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png So tiresome, such boring stuff, all over a century or more ago. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

The Linguist von Brandenstein who worked with these people for 30 years was an eye witness and spoke of "dead infants would routinely go ‘into the pot’."

So that is from 1960 to 1990 from an eminent scholar...

But according to you it never happened.

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Where?  When?  He never documented any Cannibalism, Matty. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

he spoke of "dead infants would routinely go ‘into the pot’."

He worked with them for 30 years - he saw it

I knew about it as I worked with them

Do you accept it happened?

It happened.

When did it stop?

As far as I know it still goes on in remote communities

Boris wrote on Dec 5^th, 2022 at 11:30am:

he spoke of "dead infants would routinely go ‘into the pot’." He worked with them for 30 years - he saw it I knew about it as I worked with them Do you accept it happened? It happened. When did it stop? As far as I know it still goes on in remote communities

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Where?  When?  He never documented any Cannibalism, Matty. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

It never happened?

Not ever?

Boris wrote on Dec 5^th, 2022 at 11:45am:

It never happened? Not ever?

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Not in modern times, Matty.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Yes it did

It may still be happening


What is your definition of Modern Times?

When did it stop?

What about the rape and murder of children?

That still happens so why not Cannibalism?

Boris wrote on Dec 5^th, 2022 at 12:08pm:

Yes it did It may still be happening What is your definition of Modern Times? When did it stop? What about the rape and murder of children? That still happens so why not Cannibalism?

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Childishness, silly, foolish.  This has been explained many times already, Matty.  Read it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...    ::) ::)

when did it stop?

they still rape them and murder them so why not chow down?

Boris wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 5:58am:

when did it stop? they still rape them and murder them so why not chow down?

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Childishness, silly, foolish.  This has been explained many times already, Matty.  Read it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...    ::) ::)

but they do rape and murder children

Boris wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 1:45pm:

but they do rape and murder children

So do white Australians.
What gives you the right to whine about 'another people' - when you can't even stop your own doing it?

Jasin wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 1:47pm:

Boris wrote on Dec 6th, 2022 at 1:45pm: but they do rape and murder children So do white Australians. What gives you the right to whine about 'another people' - when you can't even stop your own doing it?

Different rates though

You speak like a fool

Where you are the Murder rate is 1 or less that 1 like 0.9 per 100,000 - right?

In the NT the rate is 8 per 100,000 - 1000% more - and guess who is doing it

And then you have the assault rate and the sexual assault rate

The rates are off the scale

But its Ok for you

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Whites rape and murder people, sometimes as badly as the Indigenous people, Matty.  Get back to us with a non-Racist argument, can you?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 4:22pm:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Whites rape and murder people, sometimes as badly as the Indigenous people, Matty.  Get back to us with a non-Racist argument, can you?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

But there is no 'white' community where it is as entrenched, horrendous and ongoing as it is in Aboriginal 'communities', is there, Bbwian?

There is no horrendous, disproportionate violence and rape in pockets of white settlements, is there, Bbbwian??

Otherwise it would be unremarkable what IS going on in Aboriginal 'communities', wouldn't it, Bbwian??



Here's a non-racist question, Bbwian, and I put in Irish so you fully get it: why are you such a  fekkin' ijit?

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Boring and childish, Soren.  Try again.  Oh, BTW look up the stats for White Americans...  Tsk, tsk, tsk... 

Frank wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 5:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 6th, 2022 at 4:22pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Whites rape and murder people, sometimes as badly as the Indigenous people, Matty.  Get back to us with a non-Racist argument, can you?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) But there is no 'white' community where it is as entrenched, horrendous and ongoing as it is in Aboriginal 'communities', is there, Bbwian? There is no horrendous, disproportionate violence and rape in pockets of white settlements, is there, Bbbwian?? Otherwise it would unremarkable what IS going on in Aboriginal 'communities', wouldn't it, Bbwian?? Here's a non-racist question, Bbwian, and I put in Irish so you fully get it: why are you such a  fekkin' ijit?

How out of touch are you? Of course there is you old fool.

Here's what a US soldier said about Afghanistan:-

Men, usually the village elders, will pick the prettiest young boy, and start treating him extra special. They will shower him with affection as well as gifts. Then, there will be a party where the young boy will dress up very fancy and dance for all of the men. I have no idea but, I imagine it is far from a strip tease; still, in these ultra-sexually repressed societies, I imagine it doesn’t take much. As the party winds down, the boy is passed around the men for them to rape. The boy then remains the sexual servant of the village elders until puberty.

U.S. forces were told we could do nothing about the practice, as it wasn’t our job to impose our culture on the Afghan people. I think this example shows that you CAN actually judge two different cultures against one another and determine the superiority of one culture. Surely a culture that normalizes the rape of boys is inferior to the society that criminalizes it in the harshest way. Surely, the culture that practices the ownership of women is inferior to the culture that practices the empowerment of women. And this one may be controversial, but surely the society that values reason, logic, and science is superior to the society that values superstition, dogma, and religion.

mothra wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 6:32pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 6th, 2022 at 5:00pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 6th, 2022 at 4:22pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Whites rape and murder people, sometimes as badly as the Indigenous people, Matty.  Get back to us with a non-Racist argument, can you?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) But there is no 'white' community where it is as entrenched, horrendous and ongoing as it is in Aboriginal 'communities', is there, Bbwian? There is no horrendous, disproportionate violence and rape in pockets of white settlements, is there, Bbbwian?? Otherwise it would unremarkable what IS going on in Aboriginal 'communities', wouldn't it, Bbwian?? Here's a non-racist question, Bbwian, and I put in Irish so you fully get it: why are you such a  fekkin' ijit? How out of touch are you? Of course there is you old fool.

Where is it??????????

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 6:35pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 6th, 2022 at 6:32pm: Frank wrote on Dec 6th, 2022 at 5:00pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 6th, 2022 at 4:22pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Whites rape and murder people, sometimes as badly as the Indigenous people, Matty.  Get back to us with a non-Racist argument, can you?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) But there is no 'white' community where it is as entrenched, horrendous and ongoing as it is in Aboriginal 'communities', is there, Bbwian? There is no horrendous, disproportionate violence and rape in pockets of white settlements, is there, Bbbwian?? Otherwise it would unremarkable what IS going on in Aboriginal 'communities', wouldn't it, Bbwian?? Here's a non-racist question, Bbwian, and I put in Irish so you fully get it: why are you such a  fekkin' ijit? How out of touch are you? Of course there is you old fool. Where is it??????????

Just the one you're after?

The Aborigines rape all their children - boys and girls - 100%

Its called Initiation

They are gang raped for 3 months by the old men

Many die in "Lore Time"

Put that in the Constitution

They must be Spartans and Pretorian Guards.

mothra wrote on Dec 7^th, 2022 at 6:35am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 6th, 2022 at 6:35pm: mothra wrote on Dec 6th, 2022 at 6:32pm: Frank wrote on Dec 6th, 2022 at 5:00pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 6th, 2022 at 4:22pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Whites rape and murder people, sometimes as badly as the Indigenous people, Matty.  Get back to us with a non-Racist argument, can you?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) But there is no 'white' community where it is as entrenched, horrendous and ongoing as it is in Aboriginal 'communities', is there, Bbwian? There is no horrendous, disproportionate violence and rape in pockets of white settlements, is there, Bbbwian?? Otherwise it would unremarkable what IS going on in Aboriginal 'communities', wouldn't it, Bbwian?? Here's a non-racist question, Bbwian, and I put in Irish so you fully get it: why are you such a  fekkin' ijit? How out of touch are you? Of course there is you old fool. Where is it?????????? Just the one you're after?

Let's try again in simple words:-

Where is this 'white' community where it is as entrenched, horrendous and ongoing as it is in Aboriginal 'communities'??

Let's get this show on the road.....

they want "The Voice" so they can do the the rest of Australia what they do on their "Communities".

In other words lawlessness, rape, murder and crime.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 5^th, 2022 at 11:32am:

Boris wrote on Dec 5th, 2022 at 11:30am: he spoke of "dead infants would routinely go ‘into the pot’." He worked with them for 30 years - he saw it I knew about it as I worked with them Do you accept it happened? It happened. When did it stop? As far as I know it still goes on in remote communities https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Where?  When?  He never documented any Cannibalism, Matty. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

A lot of their Dreamtime stories do include tales like this.

But so does the bible.  There are also accounts of European and English cannibalism from our ancestors within the same sort of timeframes.

But somehow that's not indicative of the white race who were descendants of these people?

But it does apply to all indigenous Australians, today?

The bugger!?

What's the difference?

Just another topic Boris doesn't actually care about unless he can use it to dehumanise indigenous Australians, and then in the same breath as categorising them as sub human, he feigns concern about dividing the citizens of Australia with "the voice"?

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Boris wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 8:27am:

they want "The Voice" so they can do the the rest of Australia what they do on their "Communities". In other words lawlessness, rape, murder and crime.

Besides that bow you're trying to string being light-years across, can you explain how you expect the voice, the recognition, and the work towards reconciliation would actually lead to that?

It's even worse than an argument against same-sex marriage being "well next people will want to marry dogs or children!"...

Like, I'm almost floored at the notion that there is a stupider argument than even that, that someone is legitimately trying to make...

How stupid/ignorant/racist are you Boris... Get help.

Welcome back Sad Kangaroo. You have been missed by quite a few here.

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 1:16pm:

Boris wrote on Dec 9th, 2022 at 8:27am: they want "The Voice" so they can do the the rest of Australia what they do on their "Communities". In other words lawlessness, rape, murder and crime. Besides that bow you're trying to string being light-years across, can you explain how you expect the voice, the recognition, and the work towards reconciliation would actually lead to that? It's even worse than an argument against same-sex marriage being "well next people will want to marry dogs or children!"... Like, I'm almost floored at the notion that there is a stupider argument than even that, that someone is legitimately trying to make... How stupid/ignorant/racist are you Boris... Get help.

The Lawlessness in the NT on their communities has to be seen to be believed - I have seen it as a first responder.

You would not have the first clue about the reality.

How is giving them unequal power over the rest of us going to do anything other than destroy Australia?

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 1:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 5th, 2022 at 11:32am: Boris wrote on Dec 5th, 2022 at 11:30am: he spoke of "dead infants would routinely go ‘into the pot’." He worked with them for 30 years - he saw it I knew about it as I worked with them Do you accept it happened? It happened. When did it stop? As far as I know it still goes on in remote communities https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Where?  When?  He never documented any Cannibalism, Matty. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) A lot of their Dreamtime stories do include tales like this. But so does the bible.  There are also accounts of European and English cannibalism from our ancestors within the same sort of timeframes. But somehow that's not indicative of the white race who were descendants of these people? But it does apply to all indigenous Australians, today? The bugger!? What's the difference? Just another topic Boris doesn't actually care about unless he can use it to dehumanise indigenous Australians, and then in the same breath as categorising them as sub human, he feigns concern about dividing the citizens of Australia with "the voice"? https://avandarre.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/giphy.gif

Plenty of people saw it and documented it

From Ooldea, Bates wrote:

“Just as I was buttoning the men into their first trousers, a thunder came from the Plain. All rose in terror to watch, wild-eyed, the monster of Nullarbor, the ganba (snake) coming to devour them [i.e. the train]. I needed all my tact and wisdom to prevent their flight. Two of the women were heavily pregnant. One of these, in spite of the abundant food bestowed on her, later gave birth to a girl baby in a hidden spot in the bush, and killed and ate the little creature. The other woman reared her child for a year or so, and then, giving birth to a half-caste at some siding, took both along the line and disposed of them either by neglect or design. One of the men … contracted venereal disease, and returned to Ooldea only to die…We buried him near my tent, with Inyiga, a woman who, after killing her diseased half-cast child, succumbed to pneumonia.”

She went to great lengths to collect evidence of cannibal episodes. One set of bones she sent to Adelaide for analysis proved to be mere cat bones, but others were human. To be blunt, there are plenty of accounts by respected anthropologists about Aboriginal cannibalism, e.g. Elkin, Roth, and the two Berndts . Even Manning Clark attested to the practice.[iv] A colleague of mine, the late Dr C.G. von Brandenstein, who learnt at least four Pilbara languages, said once that in hard times, dead infants would routinely go ‘into the pot’.

As for infanticide, this has been estimated at up to 30% of babies before white contact, and close to 20% of babies even in 1966-67 in Pitjantjatjara country, the source country of many of the Aborigines on ‘the line’.

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 1:16pm:

Boris wrote on Dec 9th, 2022 at 8:27am: they want "The Voice" so they can do the the rest of Australia what they do on their "Communities". In other words lawlessness, rape, murder and crime. Besides that bow you're trying to string being light-years across, can you explain how you expect the voice, the recognition, and the work towards reconciliation would actually lead to that? It's even worse than an argument against same-sex marriage being "well next people will want to marry dogs or children!"... Like, I'm almost floored at the notion that there is a stupider argument than even that, that someone is legitimately trying to make... How stupid/ignorant/racist are you Boris... Get help.

You need help for your delusions

Abos are lawless, violent and untamed.

Same sex marriage is wrong.

Light years? You are removed from reality.

Reconciliation? What a joke they are lawless savages and always will be.

Rape crime and murder is all they do.

I lived there - you sip Latte in the Inner City and would not know

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Now we see the inherent Racism in  Matty's posts.  All he rabbits on about is how sub-human his fellow Australians are.  How they once ate one another.  How they are only capable of crime and violence.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Everyone sing along

It's a one eyed, one winged flying Purple People eater.

........ Sunday night special coming soon on GrapplerVid........ Brad Firepitt in the now classic "Seven Years Without Being Et" .................... then from NITVid the premiere movie special - "I Was A Teenage Cannibal" ....... also known as "I Ate Three Wives!/First Wives Clubbed." ................... a blockbusting sequel to "We Of The Nulla-Nulla" ..........

Boris wrote on Dec 10^th, 2022 at 7:02am:

How is giving them unequal power over the rest of us going to do anything other than destroy Australia?

And there it is.

The true ravings of a madman.

This is the deep-rooted and unfounded fear that is governing your position.

A position you try to justify with 200+ year old evidence, "oh trust me I've heard stories" and evidence devoid claims trying to paint all indigenous Australians as child rapists so you can accuse anyone who doesn't agree with you, or even has the audacity to ask for evidence, as supporting the rape of children.

This thread, as horrid as it is, is supposed to be your exposé on the rampant cannibalism within their communities, that it's normal and it makes them sub human and therefore unworthy of the voice, while at the same time accusing "the voice" of trying to divide the community over the subject.

Again, I don't know why it has to be repeated so much, but they are already part of our citizenry and you're the one drawing a hard line between them and everyone else, but you think when that's done via "the voice" that it's the greatest injustice in the history of the world, akin to Hitler and Nazism?

But YOU'RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW!?

Is it good or bad?!

While at the same time, you've already abandoned that claim of cannibalism in this discussion and have moved on to child rape?

Are your supposed justifications so weak and pathetic that you abandon them so quickly that you have to fall back to the "you support child rape" accusations?

Do you even know what the voice means?

I mean, clearly you don't if you think it means,


Boris wrote on Dec 10^th, 2022 at 7:02am:

giving them unequal power over the rest of us

I don't know who is feeding you this information, but you need to stop listening to them. 

I know it might be hard, especially because they're feeding you information that you want to hear, that reinforces your supremacy over all indigenous Australians but that's lead you to believe, to be misled and duped into the belief that any moves for equality and reconciliation mean something will be taken from you.

If you care so deeply about the children in these communities, wouldn't you want to help them by accepting and working with those going down the voice pathway? 

Give them better representation, more awareness of their issues, and greater assistance in resolving them?

Or are you simply exploiting the idea of child rape to push your lies and bullshit claims?

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10^th, 2022 at 1:16pm:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Now we see the inherent Racism in  Matty's posts.  All he rabbits on about is how sub-human his fellow Australians are.  How they once ate one another.  How they are only capable of crime and violence.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Yes because I have seen it first hand

and its getting worse

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-09/employment-nt-alcohol-ban-domestic-violence-federal-inquiry/101753782

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 7:47am:

Boris wrote on Dec 10th, 2022 at 7:02am: How is giving them unequal power over the rest of us going to do anything other than destroy Australia? And there it is. The true ravings of a madman. This is the deep-rooted and unfounded fear that is governing your position. A position you try to justify with 200+ year old evidence, "oh trust me I've heard stories" and evidence devoid claims trying to paint all indigenous Australians as child rapists so you can accuse anyone who doesn't agree with you, or even has the audacity to ask for evidence, as supporting the rape of children. This thread, as horrid as it is, is supposed to be your exposé on the rampant cannibalism within their communities, that it's normal and it makes them sub human and therefore unworthy of the voice, while at the same time accusing "the voice" of trying to divide the community over the subject. Again, I don't know why it has to be repeated so much, but they are already part of our citizenry and you're the one drawing a hard line between them and everyone else, but you think when that's done via "the voice" that it's the greatest injustice in the history of the world, akin to Hitler and Nazism? But YOU'RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW!? Is it good or bad?! While at the same time, you've already abandoned that claim of cannibalism in this discussion and have moved on to child rape? Are your supposed justifications so weak and pathetic that you abandon them so quickly that you have to fall back to the "you support child rape" accusations? Do you even know what the voice means? I mean, clearly you don't if you think it means, Boris wrote on Dec 10th, 2022 at 7:02am: giving them unequal power over the rest of us I don't know who is feeding you this information, but you need to stop listening to them.  I know it might be hard, especially because they're feeding you information that you want to hear, that reinforces your supremacy over all indigenous Australians but that's lead you to believe, to be misled and duped into the belief that any moves for equality and reconciliation mean something will be taken from you. If you care so deeply about the children in these communities, wouldn't you want to help them by accepting and working with those going down the voice pathway?  Give them better representation, more awareness of their issues, and greater assistance in resolving them? Or are you simply exploiting the idea of child rape to push your lies and bullshit claims?

The "Voice" means they will stop all legislation - then there is "Truth Telling" and then "Treaty"

It is power over the rest of us.

This is my country - nobody welcomes me to my country.

You are stark raving mad

VOTE NO!

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 7:47am:

Boris wrote on Dec 10th, 2022 at 7:02am: How is giving them unequal power over the rest of us going to do anything other than destroy Australia? A position you try to justify with 200+ year old evidence, "oh trust me I've heard stories" and evidence devoid claims trying to paint all indigenous Australians as child rapists so you can accuse anyone who doesn't agree with you, or even has the audacity to ask for evidence, as supporting the rape of children. This thread, as horrid as it is, is supposed to be your exposé on the rampant cannibalism within their communities, that it's normal and it makes them sub human and therefore unworthy of the voice, while at the same time accusing "the voice" of trying to divide the community over the subject. Again, I don't know why it has to be repeated so much, but they are already part of our citizenry and you're the one drawing a hard line between them and everyone else, but you think when that's done via "the voice" that it's the greatest injustice in the history of the world, akin to Hitler and Nazism? But YOU'RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW!? Is it good or bad?! While at the same time, you've already abandoned that claim of cannibalism in this discussion and have moved on to child rape? Are your supposed justifications so weak and pathetic that you abandon them so quickly that you have to fall back to the "you support child rape" accusations? Do you even know what the voice means? I mean, clearly you don't if you think it means, Boris wrote on Dec 10th, 2022 at 7:02am: giving them unequal power over the rest of us Or are you simply exploiting the idea of child rape to push your lies and bullshit claims?

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/07/man-who-raped-two-year-old-girl-in-tennant-creek-jailed-for-13-years

Man who raped two-year-old girl in Tennant Creek jailed for 13 years
This article is more than 2 years old
Judge says Kingsley Corbett, 27, was not remorseful for 2018 crime that prompted national outrage

Give this mob a voice, stone the bloody cops.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/nt-police-attacked-in-remote-community/ar-AA154uJu?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=228d1ed57c4246879edc6fe56a4c5c97

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 7:47am:

Boris wrote on Dec 10th, 2022 at 7:02am: How is giving them unequal power over the rest of us going to do anything other than destroy Australia? And there it is. The true ravings of a madman.

You are the Madman


SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 7:47am:

This is the deep-rooted and unfounded fear that is governing your position.

reality and years of experience


SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 7:47am:

A position you try to justify with 200+ year old evidence, "oh trust me I've heard stories" and evidence devoid claims trying to paint all indigenous Australians as child rapists so you can accuse anyone who doesn't agree with you, or even has the audacity to ask for evidence, as supporting the rape of children.

They rape children in the Initiation for 3 months and many die



SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 7:47am:

This thread, as horrid as it is, is supposed to be your exposé on the rampant cannibalism within their communities, that it's normal and it makes them sub human and therefore unworthy of the voice, while at the same time accusing "the voice" of trying to divide the community over the subject.

Cannibalism was widespread and it possibly still occurs as far as I know they have stopped but they are stone age savage so it may still happen in remote areas as reported by Bates.


SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 7:47am:

Again, I don't know why it has to be repeated so much, but they are already part of our citizenry and you're the one drawing a hard line between them and everyone else, but you think when that's done via "the voice" that it's the greatest injustice in the history of the world, akin to Hitler and Nazism?

They are not friendly they are not on our side they do not want to help and make Australia a better place - they want to destroy my country.


SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 7:47am:

But YOU'RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW!? Is it good or bad?! While at the same time, you've already abandoned that claim of cannibalism in this discussion and have moved on to child rape? Are your supposed justifications so weak and pathetic that you abandon them so quickly that you have to fall back to the "you support child rape" accusations?

They rape children all the time in the Initiation and just for fun - I have posted links reports to the Senate how they have fake initiations so they can rape children.

Shall I post it again?


SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 7:47am:

Do you even know what the voice means? I mean, clearly you don't if you think it means,

It means destroying Australia with Abo crap
giving them unequal power over the rest of us


SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 7:47am:

I don't know who is feeding you this information, but you need to stop listening to them.  I know it might be hard, especially because they're feeding you information that you want to hear, that reinforces your supremacy over all indigenous Australians but that's lead you to believe, to be misled and duped into the belief that any moves for equality and reconciliation mean something will be taken from you. If you care so deeply about the children in these communities, wouldn't you want to help them by accepting and working with those going down the voice pathway?  Give them better representation, more awareness of their issues, and greater assistance in resolving them? Or are you simply exploiting the idea of child rape to push your lies and bullshit claims?

They rape children

read Bad Dreaming by Louis Nowra

Lyla Coorey in a 2005 report to the Senate, said some elders were abusing boys in fake initiations. Gary Lee, an indigenous researcher, said boys as young as eight are being used for sex, with almost cultural sanction.

Tabled document
Report by Ms Lyla Coorey, 'Child sexual abuse in rural and remote Indigenous Australian communities - a preliminary investigation'. (PDF 385KB)
https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Former_Committees/indigenousaffairs/hearings/index

Have a read fool - children are raped for fun

If you have ever seen a child raped to death by a gang of savages - you do not forget it

I have seen it many times while you sip lattes.

Child abuse and mistreatment in Aboriginal communities are endemic and worsening by the year. Here’s a few snapshots:

Rates of hospitalisation for neglect and abandonment among indigenous children have been put at thirty to eighty times higher than for the non-indigenous population.

More than 12,000 Aboriginal children have been removed and are in care, making up a third of all Australian children in care.

One in nineteen Aboriginal children is in care, ten times the non-indigenous rate.

In Queensland, one in every 2.2 Aboriginal children is known to Child Safety, and this is expected to increase to every second child being known to Child Safety this fiscal year. In 2007–08, only one in 4.6 Aboriginal children was known to Child Safety.

Yet under-reporting of the sexual abuse of Aboriginal children may be nearly 90 per cent.

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 7:53am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 7:47am: Boris wrote on Dec 10th, 2022 at 7:02am: How is giving them unequal power over the rest of us going to do anything other than destroy Australia? And there it is. The true ravings of a madman. This is the deep-rooted and unfounded fear that is governing your position. A position you try to justify with 200+ year old evidence, "oh trust me I've heard stories" and evidence devoid claims trying to paint all indigenous Australians as child rapists so you can accuse anyone who doesn't agree with you, or even has the audacity to ask for evidence, as supporting the rape of children. This thread, as horrid as it is, is supposed to be your exposé on the rampant cannibalism within their communities, that it's normal and it makes them sub human and therefore unworthy of the voice, while at the same time accusing "the voice" of trying to divide the community over the subject. Again, I don't know why it has to be repeated so much, but they are already part of our citizenry and you're the one drawing a hard line between them and everyone else, but you think when that's done via "the voice" that it's the greatest injustice in the history of the world, akin to Hitler and Nazism? But YOU'RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW!? Is it good or bad?! While at the same time, you've already abandoned that claim of cannibalism in this discussion and have moved on to child rape? Are your supposed justifications so weak and pathetic that you abandon them so quickly that you have to fall back to the "you support child rape" accusations? Do you even know what the voice means? I mean, clearly you don't if you think it means, Boris wrote on Dec 10th, 2022 at 7:02am: giving them unequal power over the rest of us I don't know who is feeding you this information, but you need to stop listening to them.  I know it might be hard, especially because they're feeding you information that you want to hear, that reinforces your supremacy over all indigenous Australians but that's lead you to believe, to be misled and duped into the belief that any moves for equality and reconciliation mean something will be taken from you. If you care so deeply about the children in these communities, wouldn't you want to help them by accepting and working with those going down the voice pathway?  Give them better representation, more awareness of their issues, and greater assistance in resolving them? Or are you simply exploiting the idea of child rape to push your lies and bullshit claims? The "Voice" means they will stop all legislation - then there is "Truth Telling" and then "Treaty" It is power over the rest of us. This is my country - nobody welcomes me to my country. You are stark raving mad VOTE NO!

The Voice is an advisory position, it comes with zero power you lunatic...

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:12am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 7:47am: Boris wrote on Dec 10th, 2022 at 7:02am: How is giving them unequal power over the rest of us going to do anything other than destroy Australia? And there it is. The true ravings of a madman. You are the Madman SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 7:47am: This is the deep-rooted and unfounded fear that is governing your position. reality and years of experience SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 7:47am: A position you try to justify with 200+ year old evidence, "oh trust me I've heard stories" and evidence devoid claims trying to paint all indigenous Australians as child rapists so you can accuse anyone who doesn't agree with you, or even has the audacity to ask for evidence, as supporting the rape of children. They rape children in the Initiation for 3 months and many die SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 7:47am: This thread, as horrid as it is, is supposed to be your exposé on the rampant cannibalism within their communities, that it's normal and it makes them sub human and therefore unworthy of the voice, while at the same time accusing "the voice" of trying to divide the community over the subject. Cannibalism was widespread and it possibly still occurs as far as I know they have stopped but they are stone age savage so it may still happen in remote areas as reported by Bates. SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 7:47am: Again, I don't know why it has to be repeated so much, but they are already part of our citizenry and you're the one drawing a hard line between them and everyone else, but you think when that's done via "the voice" that it's the greatest injustice in the history of the world, akin to Hitler and Nazism? They are not friendly they are not on our side they do not want to help and make Australia a better place - they want to destroy my country. SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 7:47am: But YOU'RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW!? Is it good or bad?! While at the same time, you've already abandoned that claim of cannibalism in this discussion and have moved on to child rape? Are your supposed justifications so weak and pathetic that you abandon them so quickly that you have to fall back to the "you support child rape" accusations? They rape children all the time in the Initiation and just for fun - I have posted links reports to the Senate how they have fake initiations so they can rape children. Shall I post it again? SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 7:47am: Do you even know what the voice means? I mean, clearly you don't if you think it means, It means destroying Australia with Abo crap giving them unequal power over the rest of us SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 7:47am: I don't know who is feeding you this information, but you need to stop listening to them.  I know it might be hard, especially because they're feeding you information that you want to hear, that reinforces your supremacy over all indigenous Australians but that's lead you to believe, to be misled and duped into the belief that any moves for equality and reconciliation mean something will be taken from you. If you care so deeply about the children in these communities, wouldn't you want to help them by accepting and working with those going down the voice pathway?  Give them better representation, more awareness of their issues, and greater assistance in resolving them? Or are you simply exploiting the idea of child rape to push your lies and bullshit claims? They rape children read Bad Dreaming by Louis Nowra Lyla Coorey in a 2005 report to the Senate, said some elders were abusing boys in fake initiations. Gary Lee, an indigenous researcher, said boys as young as eight are being used for sex, with almost cultural sanction. Tabled document Report by Ms Lyla Coorey, 'Child sexual abuse in rural and remote Indigenous Australian communities - a preliminary investigation'. (PDF 385KB) https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Former_Committees/indigenousaffairs/hearings/index Have a read fool - children are raped for fun

In case there has been some miscommunication, you're saying that ALL Indigenous Australians do these things you claim, not just their bad elements like in any community?

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:23am:

If you have ever seen a child raped to death by a gang of savages - you do not forget it I have seen it many times while you sip lattes. Child abuse and mistreatment in Aboriginal communities are endemic and worsening by the year. Here’s a few snapshots: Rates of hospitalisation for neglect and abandonment among indigenous children have been put at thirty to eighty times higher than for the non-indigenous population. More than 12,000 Aboriginal children have been removed and are in care, making up a third of all Australian children in care. One in nineteen Aboriginal children is in care, ten times the non-indigenous rate. In Queensland, one in every 2.2 Aboriginal children is known to Child Safety, and this is expected to increase to every second child being known to Child Safety this fiscal year. In 2007–08, only one in 4.6 Aboriginal children was known to Child Safety. Yet under-reporting of the sexual abuse of Aboriginal children may be nearly 90 per cent.

So none of what you've listed is linked to sexual abuse, all you've done is hint at it "might be" under reported by a number you've made up and hope we make the mental jump, as you have, that these children are in caes because of sexual abuse.

Evidence friend, do you even know what it is?

Or should we just send in the army again?

It is impossible to take you seriously, especially after you claim to watch them rape children and don't do anything to stop it...

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:30am:

Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:12am: SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 7:47am: Boris wrote on Dec 10th, 2022 at 7:02am: How is giving them unequal power over the rest of us going to do anything other than destroy Australia? And there it is. The true ravings of a madman. You are the Madman SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 7:47am: This is the deep-rooted and unfounded fear that is governing your position. reality and years of experience SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 7:47am: A position you try to justify with 200+ year old evidence, "oh trust me I've heard stories" and evidence devoid claims trying to paint all indigenous Australians as child rapists so you can accuse anyone who doesn't agree with you, or even has the audacity to ask for evidence, as supporting the rape of children. They rape children in the Initiation for 3 months and many die SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 7:47am: This thread, as horrid as it is, is supposed to be your exposé on the rampant cannibalism within their communities, that it's normal and it makes them sub human and therefore unworthy of the voice, while at the same time accusing "the voice" of trying to divide the community over the subject. Cannibalism was widespread and it possibly still occurs as far as I know they have stopped but they are stone age savage so it may still happen in remote areas as reported by Bates. SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 7:47am: Again, I don't know why it has to be repeated so much, but they are already part of our citizenry and you're the one drawing a hard line between them and everyone else, but you think when that's done via "the voice" that it's the greatest injustice in the history of the world, akin to Hitler and Nazism? They are not friendly they are not on our side they do not want to help and make Australia a better place - they want to destroy my country. SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 7:47am: But YOU'RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW!? Is it good or bad?! While at the same time, you've already abandoned that claim of cannibalism in this discussion and have moved on to child rape? Are your supposed justifications so weak and pathetic that you abandon them so quickly that you have to fall back to the "you support child rape" accusations? They rape children all the time in the Initiation and just for fun - I have posted links reports to the Senate how they have fake initiations so they can rape children. Shall I post it again? SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 7:47am: Do you even know what the voice means? I mean, clearly you don't if you think it means, It means destroying Australia with Abo crap giving them unequal power over the rest of us SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 7:47am: I don't know who is feeding you this information, but you need to stop listening to them.  I know it might be hard, especially because they're feeding you information that you want to hear, that reinforces your supremacy over all indigenous Australians but that's lead you to believe, to be misled and duped into the belief that any moves for equality and reconciliation mean something will be taken from you. If you care so deeply about the children in these communities, wouldn't you want to help them by accepting and working with those going down the voice pathway?  Give them better representation, more awareness of their issues, and greater assistance in resolving them? Or are you simply exploiting the idea of child rape to push your lies and bullshit claims? They rape children read Bad Dreaming by Louis Nowra Lyla Coorey in a 2005 report to the Senate, said some elders were abusing boys in fake initiations. Gary Lee, an indigenous researcher, said boys as young as eight are being used for sex, with almost cultural sanction. Tabled document Report by Ms Lyla Coorey, 'Child sexual abuse in rural and remote Indigenous Australian communities - a preliminary investigation'. (PDF 385KB) https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Former_Committees/indigenousaffairs/hearings/index Have a read fool - children are raped for fun In case there has been some miscommunication, you're saying that ALL Indigenous Australians do these things you claim, not just their bad elements like in any community?

Yes

These things I claim? Its just me making a claim?

https://humanrights.gov.au/sites/default/files/57.4%20%E2%80%9CLittle%20Children%20are%20Sacred%E2%80%9D%20report.pdf

Key points:
A parliamentary inquiry has heard programs designed to create job opportunities in the NT are failing
A frontline Aboriginal health service has called for long-term alcohol bans in parts of the territory to be reintroduced
The Alice Springs Hospital has seen a spike in domestic violence presentations in the emergency department
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-09/employment-nt-alcohol-ban-domestic-violence-federal-inquiry/101753782

Tabled document
Report by Ms Lyla Coorey, 'Child sexual abuse in rural and remote Indigenous Australian communities - a preliminary investigation'. (PDF 3

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:41am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:30am: In case there has been some miscommunication, you're saying that ALL Indigenous Australians do these things you claim, not just their bad elements like in any community? Yes

Well, at least we know who the crazy one is, thanks.

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:32am:

Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:23am: If you have ever seen a child raped to death by a gang of savages - you do not forget it I have seen it many times while you sip lattes. Child abuse and mistreatment in Aboriginal communities are endemic and worsening by the year. Here’s a few snapshots: Rates of hospitalisation for neglect and abandonment among indigenous children have been put at thirty to eighty times higher than for the non-indigenous population. More than 12,000 Aboriginal children have been removed and are in care, making up a third of all Australian children in care. One in nineteen Aboriginal children is in care, ten times the non-indigenous rate. In Queensland, one in every 2.2 Aboriginal children is known to Child Safety, and this is expected to increase to every second child being known to Child Safety this fiscal year. In 2007–08, only one in 4.6 Aboriginal children was known to Child Safety. Yet under-reporting of the sexual abuse of Aboriginal children may be nearly 90 per cent. So none of what you've listed is linked to sexual abuse, all you've done is hint at it "might be" under reported by a number you've made up and hope we make the mental jump, as you have, that these children are in caes because of sexual abuse. Evidence friend, do you even know what it is? Or should we just send in the army again? It is impossible to take you seriously, especially after you claim to watch them rape children and don't do anything to stop it...

On a humanitarian mission like last time?  Sure... what was wrong with the last effort by trained professionals?

CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE IN RURAL AND REMOTE
AUSTRALIAN INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES –
A preliminary investigation.
Compiled by Lyla Coorey
February 2001
Caution: There is material in this report that may be offensive for cultural reasons,
and because there is reference to sexual matters, to some Aboriginal and Torres
Strait Islander people. No harm or offence is intended to these people.
ii
‘The silence of the victims has brought so much fear and pain into their lives. The
silence of families has caused a breakdown in our cultural and moral values, and the
silence of the abuser has meant little hope of them getting the sort of help they need.’
- Maryanne Sam (1992) ‘Through Black Eyes: A Handbook of Family Violence in
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Communities.’

https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Former_Committees/indigenousaffairs/hearings/index

Tabled document
Report by Ms Lyla Coorey, 'Child sexual abuse in rural and remote Indigenous Australian communities - a preliminary investigation'. (PDF 385KB)

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:50am:

CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE IN RURAL AND REMOTE AUSTRALIAN INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES – A preliminary investigation. Compiled by Lyla Coorey February 2001 Caution: There is material in this report that may be offensive for cultural reasons, and because there is reference to sexual matters, to some Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people. No harm or offence is intended to these people. ii ‘The silence of the victims has brought so much fear and pain into their lives. The silence of families has caused a breakdown in our cultural and moral values, and the silence of the abuser has meant little hope of them getting the sort of help they need.’ - Maryanne Sam (1992) ‘Through Black Eyes: A Handbook of Family Violence in Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Communities.’ https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Former_Committees/indigenousaffairs/hearings/index Tabled document Report by Ms Lyla Coorey, 'Child sexual abuse in rural and remote Indigenous Australian communities - a preliminary investigation'. (PDF 385KB)

You'll never persuade the zealots here by posting factual documents, even from their own groups.  Every time a woman or child is reported abused or a bloke killed in a fight or ambush, that's just a white conspiracy to make all Abos look bad... that's their mantra.

They can either be Australians or not - their choice..... 100% one way or the other.

With all this sexual abuse, the aboriginal populations must be exploding and accelerating.
All doing their bit to outbreed the whitey invaders and their cannibalism/savagery from the angle of 'Power'.

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:45am:

Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:41am: SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:30am: In case there has been some miscommunication, you're saying that ALL Indigenous Australians do these things you claim, not just their bad elements like in any community? Yes Well, at least we know who the crazy one is, thanks.

Rates of hospitalisation for neglect and abandonment among indigenous children have been put at thirty to eighty times higher than for the non-indigenous population.

More than 12,000 Aboriginal children have been removed and are in care, making up a third of all Australian children in care.

One in nineteen Aboriginal children is in care, ten times the non-indigenous rate.

Jasin wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:55am:

With all this sexual abuse, the aboriginal populations must be exploding and accelerating. All doing their bit to outbreed the whitey invaders and their cannibalism/savagery from the angle of 'Power'.

Disease

the death rate is higher than the birth rate because of lifestyle

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:48am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:32am: Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:23am: If you have ever seen a child raped to death by a gang of savages - you do not forget it I have seen it many times while you sip lattes. Child abuse and mistreatment in Aboriginal communities are endemic and worsening by the year. Here’s a few snapshots: Rates of hospitalisation for neglect and abandonment among indigenous children have been put at thirty to eighty times higher than for the non-indigenous population. More than 12,000 Aboriginal children have been removed and are in care, making up a third of all Australian children in care. One in nineteen Aboriginal children is in care, ten times the non-indigenous rate. In Queensland, one in every 2.2 Aboriginal children is known to Child Safety, and this is expected to increase to every second child being known to Child Safety this fiscal year. In 2007–08, only one in 4.6 Aboriginal children was known to Child Safety. Yet under-reporting of the sexual abuse of Aboriginal children may be nearly 90 per cent. So none of what you've listed is linked to sexual abuse, all you've done is hint at it "might be" under reported by a number you've made up and hope we make the mental jump, as you have, that these children are in caes because of sexual abuse. Evidence friend, do you even know what it is? Or should we just send in the army again? It is impossible to take you seriously, especially after you claim to watch them rape children and don't do anything to stop it... On a humanitarian mission like last time?

If only that's what Boris, and you, were talking about.

Sadly, you were both talking about shooting and killing all the indigenous community members in the area.

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:57am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:45am: Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:41am: SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:30am: In case there has been some miscommunication, you're saying that ALL Indigenous Australians do these things you claim, not just their bad elements like in any community? Yes Well, at least we know who the crazy one is, thanks. Rates of hospitalisation for neglect and abandonment among indigenous children have been put at thirty to eighty times higher than for the non-indigenous population. More than 12,000 Aboriginal children have been removed and are in care, making up a third of all Australian children in care. One in nineteen Aboriginal children is in care, ten times the non-indigenous rate.

And nowhere in those stats does it mention sexual assault which you are pushing people to believe is the cause.

Those stats aren't great, nobody is defending them, in fact as I've said, it's a great reason to support the voice to assist in helping to improve these stats and these people's lives.

Remember, they ARE people.  Can't believe I have to remind you of that...

But you were making the claims about the rampant sexual assault of children, by ALL indigenous people and then shared these stats to prove it.

It doesn't.

You just want it to because it aligns with your beliefs.

Facts over feelings friend.

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:58am:

Jasin wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:55am: With all this sexual abuse, the aboriginal populations must be exploding and accelerating. All doing their bit to outbreed the whitey invaders and their cannibalism/savagery from the angle of 'Power'. Disease the death rate is higher than the birth rate because of lifestyle

Maybe we should NUKE EM Boris?
Just to be sure. ;)

Never mentioned shooting or killing anyone - just said that if pushed to it, ten percent might be worth saving....

You're the one trying to claim that sending in the army on a humanitarian mission was calling for using armed force against them.  All there was, was medical personnel and such to treat those in NEED... you there yet??

As for the Alice - maybe those forty extra cops will quieten 'em down .... it being the only thing they understand... they use force and violence and terror on others..... now they run the chance of ending up in the slammer for those things....

So................. who is responsible for that???

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:54am:

Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:50am: CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE IN RURAL AND REMOTE AUSTRALIAN INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES – A preliminary investigation. Compiled by Lyla Coorey February 2001 Caution: There is material in this report that may be offensive for cultural reasons, and because there is reference to sexual matters, to some Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people. No harm or offence is intended to these people. ii ‘The silence of the victims has brought so much fear and pain into their lives. The silence of families has caused a breakdown in our cultural and moral values, and the silence of the abuser has meant little hope of them getting the sort of help they need.’ - Maryanne Sam (1992) ‘Through Black Eyes: A Handbook of Family Violence in Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Communities.’ https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Former_Committees/indigenousaffairs/hearings/index Tabled document Report by Ms Lyla Coorey, 'Child sexual abuse in rural and remote Indigenous Australian communities - a preliminary investigation'. (PDF 385KB) You'll never persuade the zealots here by posting factual documents, even from their own groups.  Every time a woman or child is reported abused or a bloke killed in a fight or ambush, that's just a white conspiracy to make all Abos look bad... that's their mantra. They can either be Australians or not - their choice..... 100% one way or the other.

Did either of you read the report?

Like, read past the headline and the findings to their propositions to help address the issue?

I'll give you a chance to go back and read it, because I've just finished it, al 120 pages.

It's heartbreaking the findings and what's worse is that this report, tabled in 2001, goes back to information cites in the early 90's, late 80's and earlier, yet these issues still exist 30 years later. 

The children highlighted in this report have likely grown up and continued the cycle of abuse on to the next generations.

But, I'll give you a chance to read the report, how long do you think you'll need, 2 maybe 3 weeks?

Or should I not beat around the bush and suggest which sections for my point you should read?

Or do you want me to be even more succinct and just flat-out tell you how stupid you are?

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:08am:

Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:57am: SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:45am: Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:41am: SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:30am: In case there has been some miscommunication, you're saying that ALL Indigenous Australians do these things you claim, not just their bad elements like in any community? Yes Well, at least we know who the crazy one is, thanks. Rates of hospitalisation for neglect and abandonment among indigenous children have been put at thirty to eighty times higher than for the non-indigenous population. More than 12,000 Aboriginal children have been removed and are in care, making up a third of all Australian children in care. One in nineteen Aboriginal children is in care, ten times the non-indigenous rate. And nowhere in those stats does it mention sexual assault which you are pushing people to believe is the cause. Those stats aren't great, nobody is defending them, in fact as I've said, it's a great reason to support the voice to assist in helping to improve these stats and these people's lives. Remember, they ARE people.  Can't believe I have to remind you of that... But you were making the claims about the rampant sexual assault of children, by ALL indigenous people and then shared these stats to prove it. It doesn't. You just want it to because it aligns with your beliefs. Facts over feelings friend.

More twists than a rattlesnake on crystal meth......

Just keep making up stories and jumping to conclusions ... e.g. discussion of the HUGE rate of abuse of children is NOT the same as saying they ALL do it... that's your first lie.

How many do you actually know?  I have statements from three women bashed by the same 'man' - all stories are startlingly similar and they are miles apart from one another... never met ... and one of them said to me that her family were not like that and until this ahole came along she did not know violence.

Get your thinking right, kid/champ/bucko/girlie/schweetheart ....  when people offer you links and figures you do not try to get out from under by attacking them by saying they are saying the whole group does it... that's just bullshit .... and your way of wimping out of  (gasps) debate....

Get back to school - a real school for a change...

I've posted countless sources - many of them direct from Aboriginal sources - that show the picture.

I'm not going to train every individual who comes along with a bee in his bonnet screeching and crying about 'racism' as the puerile excuse to not actually discuss the real issues ..... go ask the victims ........

Oooh - looks like The Black Syph will get them all first anyway.... just passing it around ...

"The Aboriginal population accounted for 66 per cent of all chlamydia cases and 92 per cent of syphilis cases within the six-month period."

https://www.smh.com.au/national/territory-kids-suffer-terrifying-rates-of-stds-20071219-gdrtov.html

It's all lies - those kids slipped on the soap and ended up in a vat of VD .....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:13am:

Never mentioned shooting or killing anyone - just said that if pushed to it, ten percent might be worth saving....

Your problem is you've said so much racist nonesense about Indigenous Australians that you can't keep track,


Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 11:05pm:

Give 'em a homeland - let 'em duke it out..... build a wall around it, have a hermetically sealed tunnel a la Jurassic Park under a sealed clear roof so visitors can travel on electric cars and observe the wildlife in action..... glass tunnel goes around in a huge circle and ends up back at the car park and restaurant.... perhaps down the track boutique hunting trips could be set up and rich pricks come in to shoot one or two as the bag limit states ...... https://donglutsdinosaurs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Krstolich-postcard-700x456.jpg

You're not the victim, you're just being held to account for the things you've said and advocated for.

If you don't like it, stop being such a racist front bottom.

They're your words, after all, linked to, so everyone can see the full context.

There are no excuses here, you said what you said, you meant what you said and it totally undermines all the points you're trying to make about the voice and all the claims about Indigenous Australians.

You're scum mate.  You can pretend to be riding an enlightened high horse all your like, but you motivations are there for all to see.

Perhaps the only benefit of this forum condoning all the racism that people like you and Boris post as if it's nothing.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:19am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 9:08am: Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:57am: SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:45am: Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:41am: SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:30am: In case there has been some miscommunication, you're saying that ALL Indigenous Australians do these things you claim, not just their bad elements like in any community? Yes Well, at least we know who the crazy one is, thanks. Rates of hospitalisation for neglect and abandonment among indigenous children have been put at thirty to eighty times higher than for the non-indigenous population. More than 12,000 Aboriginal children have been removed and are in care, making up a third of all Australian children in care. One in nineteen Aboriginal children is in care, ten times the non-indigenous rate. And nowhere in those stats does it mention sexual assault which you are pushing people to believe is the cause. Those stats aren't great, nobody is defending them, in fact as I've said, it's a great reason to support the voice to assist in helping to improve these stats and these people's lives. Remember, they ARE people.  Can't believe I have to remind you of that... But you were making the claims about the rampant sexual assault of children, by ALL indigenous people and then shared these stats to prove it. It doesn't. You just want it to because it aligns with your beliefs. Facts over feelings friend. More twists than a rattlesnake on crystal meth...... Just keep making up stories and jumping to conclusions ... e.g. discussion of the HUGE rate of abuse of children is NOT the same as saying they ALL do it... that's your first lie.

Is it though?


Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:41am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:30am: In case there has been some miscommunication, you're saying that ALL Indigenous Australians do these things you claim, not just their bad elements like in any community? Yes

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How many do you actually know?  I have statements from three women bashed by the same 'man' - all stories are startlingly similar and they are miles apart from one another... never met ... and one of them said to me that her family were not like that and until this ahole came along she did not know violence. Get your thinking right, kid/champ/bucko/girlie/schweetheart ....  when people offer you links and figures you do not try to get out from under by attacking them by saying they are saying the whole group does it... that's just bullshit .... and your way of wimping out of  (gasps) debate.... Get back to school - a real school for a change...

Other than Boris who is making the claim that these stats are indicative of ALL indigenous people, I'm not excusing or even doubting these reports.

We agree that the situation is terrible and something needs to be done.

The difference is what can be done to help, or the notion of even helping at all.

You seem to want to lock them in a zoo as if they're cavemen for rich people to go and view, or even hunt as you suggested, whereas I would strive to find a way to actually help them.

Address the issues identified in the various reports, even the one you didn't read. 

The biggest issue is most of the ways we've tried to help have been from the views of people outside of their communities, trying to force change without working from within.  Part of that is greater awareness of their cultures and of these issues which the voice would help with.

But giving them a voice, input, and a say in politics that concerns them, well that's apparently a bridge too far for you. 

You seem more comfortable with the notion of locking them up, shooting them, or genocide unless there were all just sarcastic joke comments too?

idiot

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:08am:

Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:57am: SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:45am: Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:41am: SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:30am: In case there has been some miscommunication, you're saying that ALL Indigenous Australians do these things you claim, not just their bad elements like in any community? Yes Well, at least we know who the crazy one is, thanks. Rates of hospitalisation for neglect and abandonment among indigenous children have been put at thirty to eighty times higher than for the non-indigenous population. More than 12,000 Aboriginal children have been removed and are in care, making up a third of all Australian children in care. One in nineteen Aboriginal children is in care, ten times the non-indigenous rate. And nowhere in those stats does it mention sexual assault which you are pushing people to believe is the cause. Those stats aren't great, nobody is defending them, in fact as I've said, it's a great reason to support the voice to assist in helping to improve these stats and these people's lives. Remember, they ARE people.  Can't believe I have to remind you of that... But you were making the claims about the rampant sexual assault of children, by ALL indigenous people and then shared these stats to prove it. It doesn't. You just want it to because it aligns with your beliefs. Facts over feelings friend.

It still happens now - worse than ever

But you wouldn't know

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:39am:

idiot

Triggered much?

Five per cent of Wadeye's population in jail following months of violence, unrest, according to NT Police Commissioner


Key points:
Jamie Chalker says about five per cent of Wadeye 2,000 residents is currently is prison
A police officer and Wadeye man were injured in more violence last night
A local Aboriginal corporation is running a new mediation program to try and work through long-running disputes

"We've had to make arrests where people are going to a local hardware store and stealing axes and other types of improvised weapons and storing them to ultimately get out there.

As part of a four-week operation beginning in October, police roadblocks were set up to crack down on alcohol being smuggled into the dry community.

"We had significant road interdictions [with officers] seizing upwards of 20 one litre bottles of rum [at a time]," Commissioner Chalker said.

"I picked this up from my recent visit to Wadeye [that] bottles rum are selling for $500."

Police officer injured, man assaulted with axe this week
Since the police roadblocks were removed, Thamarurr Development Corporation chief executive, Scott McIntyre, said he believed alcohol-fuelled violence had increased again.

"[The operation] had a big impact on reducing the amount of alcohol coming into the community," he said.

"Since Operation Tarn finished and the roadblock has been lifted we've seen an increase in alcohol coming back in.

"There was a couple of days where people said there was a lot of alcohol, a lot of drunk people, a lot of disturbances."

On Friday police reported that a man had been wounded in the leg by an alleged assault with an axe on Thursday night.

Police said a group of people allegedly threw rocks at officers when they were called to the scene.

They said a female police officer was hit in the forehead with a rock. Both she and the injured man were treated at the local clinic.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-09/nt-wadeye-violence-prison-five-percent-population/101755068

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:47am:

ive per cent of Wadeye's population in jail following months of violence, unrest, according to NT Police Commissioner Key points: Jamie Chalker says about five per cent of Wadeye 2,000 residents is currently is prison A police officer and Wadeye man were injured in more violence last night A local Aboriginal corporation is running a new mediation program to try and work through long-running disputes "We've had to make arrests where people are going to a local hardware store and stealing axes and other types of improvised weapons and storing them to ultimately get out there. As part of a four-week operation beginning in October, police roadblocks were set up to crack down on alcohol being smuggled into the dry community. "We had significant road interdictions [with officers] seizing upwards of 20 one litre bottles of rum [at a time]," Commissioner Chalker said. "I picked this up from my recent visit to Wadeye [that] bottles rum are selling for $500." Police officer injured, man assaulted with axe this week Since the police roadblocks were removed, Thamarurr Development Corporation chief executive, Scott McIntyre, said he believed alcohol-fuelled violence had increased again. "[The operation] had a big impact on reducing the amount of alcohol coming into the community," he said. "Since Operation Tarn finished and the roadblock has been lifted we've seen an increase in alcohol coming back in. "There was a couple of days where people said there was a lot of alcohol, a lot of drunk people, a lot of disturbances." On Friday police reported that a man had been wounded in the leg by an alleged assault with an axe on Thursday night. Police said a group of people allegedly threw rocks at officers when they were called to the scene. They said a female police officer was hit in the forehead with a rock. Both she and the injured man were treated at the local clinic. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-09/nt-wadeye-violence-prison-five-percent-po...

And then?

Is this just another attempt to justify why they're unworthy of a voice, or support to help lift them out of the situations that lead to this sort of action?

Why bring it up, what's the point?

Are you trying to advocate for helping, or against helping and further segregating their communities from the rest of Australia?

It's been such a rollercoaster of hate and misinformation that your point has been lost...

Well - THEY are the ones demanding to 'do things their way' and to take possession of large swathes of land because their ancestors might have walked across it some time..... so why not give 'em a Homeland Zoo where they can live their idyllic lifestyle so clearly evidenced by the way they get along so well when given free accommodation and money and such.... they reckon they can do better 'their way' so cut 'em off the teat and turn 'em loose in a Homeland...

Just like OUR national parks....... it could be self-sustaining via a glass tunnel carrying electric cars full of Asian tourists etc who delight in seeing them in their native state... charged a healthy fee .... should pay for maintenance of the electric fences and such.... that way they could be safe from the evil White influence and money and goods, and never have any Whartey coming in to tell them what to do while they kill and maim one another.

Win-win all around if you ask me.................. there could be a narrow gate with airlocks etc... where any who want to get out permanently can come to apply ..... under strict conditions......

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:26am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 9:13am: Never mentioned shooting or killing anyone - just said that if pushed to it, ten percent might be worth saving.... Your problem is you've said so much racist nonesense about Indigenous Australians that you can't keep track, Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 6th, 2022 at 11:05pm: Give 'em a homeland - let 'em duke it out..... build a wall around it, have a hermetically sealed tunnel a la Jurassic Park under a sealed clear roof so visitors can travel on electric cars and observe the wildlife in action..... glass tunnel goes around in a huge circle and ends up back at the car park and restaurant.... perhaps down the track boutique hunting trips could be set up and rich pricks come in to shoot one or two as the bag limit states ...... https://donglutsdinosaurs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Krstolich-postcard-700x456.jpg You're not the victim, you're just being held to account for the things you've said and advocated for. If you don't like it, stop being such a racist front bottom. They're your words, after all, linked to, so everyone can see the full context. There are no excuses here, you said what you said, you meant what you said and it totally undermines all the points you're trying to make about the voice and all the claims about Indigenous Australians. You're scum mate.  You can pretend to be riding an enlightened high horse all your like, but you motivations are there for all to see. Perhaps the only benefit of this forum condoning all the racism that people like you and Boris post as if it's nothing.

How will the Voice achieve what 1100 Aboriginal organisations, 200 programs, parliamentary representation at every level of government havent?


Shouting 'racist qunt' is no substitute for an explanation. The option you put before people is ask no questions about how the constitutional change will work - or be called racist qunts.

Why is it that every time I give you and Boris a chance to clear the air, walk back any ridiculously racist comments as maybe something said in the heat of the moment etc, you both double down or go all in...

In this regard, I have to give you credit as being smarter than me in the moment.

Here I am trying to have a legitimate discussion on the topic and you're both just being front bottoms haha.

Well met.

Well - clearly only a madman would give such irresponsible and selfish citizens any special voice... they get all the voice they need in courts it seems.  Let them tell it all there, stand up and make their statements of independence and such ... their right to do as they choose etc..... persuade the judge that things can be fixed with a little more this and that.....

Fiorello LaGuardia when mayor of NYC, once sat in as a judge in a night court, and had a woman brought up for stealing to feed her five children.... he fined her $5 (I think) then he fined every person in the room including himself $2 for aiding and abetting such a thing, handed her over $50 and a pardon, and set her free.

Maybe your Abos could try the same on with the judges while they are being tried for theft and violence etc.... I's only doing this to escape poverty... etc ....

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:57am:

And then? Is this just another attempt to justify why they're unworthy of a voice, or support to help lift them out of the situations that lead to this sort of action? Why bring it up, what's the point? Are you trying to advocate for helping, or against helping and further segregating their communities from the rest of Australia? It's been such a rollercoaster of hate and misinformation that your point has been lost...

This is happening NOW - and its out of control

How does some crap in Canberra stop this savagery?

It can't

The Voice is a lie

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 10:08am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 9:26am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 9:13am: Never mentioned shooting or killing anyone - just said that if pushed to it, ten percent might be worth saving.... Your problem is you've said so much racist nonesense about Indigenous Australians that you can't keep track, Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 6th, 2022 at 11:05pm: Give 'em a homeland - let 'em duke it out..... build a wall around it, have a hermetically sealed tunnel a la Jurassic Park under a sealed clear roof so visitors can travel on electric cars and observe the wildlife in action..... glass tunnel goes around in a huge circle and ends up back at the car park and restaurant.... perhaps down the track boutique hunting trips could be set up and rich pricks come in to shoot one or two as the bag limit states ...... https://donglutsdinosaurs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Krstolich-postcard-700x456.jpg You're not the victim, you're just being held to account for the things you've said and advocated for. If you don't like it, stop being such a racist front bottom. They're your words, after all, linked to, so everyone can see the full context. There are no excuses here, you said what you said, you meant what you said and it totally undermines all the points you're trying to make about the voice and all the claims about Indigenous Australians. You're scum mate.  You can pretend to be riding an enlightened high horse all your like, but you motivations are there for all to see. Perhaps the only benefit of this forum condoning all the racism that people like you and Boris post as if it's nothing. How will the Voice achieve what 1100 Aboriginal organisations, 200 programs, parliamentary representation at every level of government havent? Shouting 'racist qunt' is no substitute for an explanation. The option you put before people is ask no questions about how the constitutional change will work - or be called racist qunts.

I'm not calling anyone who isn't supportive of the voice a racist front bottom, only those who have demonstrated by their actions and rhetoric that they are racist front bottoms. 

Calling for genocide, the army being sent in to shoot all Indigenous Australians in the streets, or only 90% of them, proposing locking them all up as zoo animals and proposing hunting trips targeting them for the rich, citing some terrible yet real stats about abuse in their communities then projecting that as indicative of ALL indigenous people throughout their communities country wide, yeah nah, bugger them, that's racist and so are they and I have no issue with calling them out.

We're not even at the points you've raised with these people.  They're still blinded by their prejudice.

And what you have raised is something that needs to be fleshed out, in a public forum, for people to understand if they support whatever solution is proposed and can hit the polls for the referendum as informed as possible

The Boris', the Grapplers etc, they're still in the mouth-breathing stage of the subject, letting their prejudices guide them. 

They've decided the outcomes they want and even convinced themselves that the voice will mean "destroying Australia with Abo crap giving them unequal power over the rest of us".

For all their claims about reality, they're living in their own where they're the victim and the country is a stake.

So, get triggered and feel like me calling them out is a personal attack on you or anyone with legitimate concerns about the voice all you like, I'm not here to give you a safe space.

But calling out their blatant racism isn't the same as accusing anyone who doesn't support the idea and what little we know about it at this point racist.

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 10:09am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 9:57am: And then? Is this just another attempt to justify why they're unworthy of a voice, or support to help lift them out of the situations that lead to this sort of action? Why bring it up, what's the point? Are you trying to advocate for helping, or against helping and further segregating their communities from the rest of Australia? It's been such a rollercoaster of hate and misinformation that your point has been lost... This is happening NOW - and its out of control How does some crap in Canberra stop this savagery? It can't The Voice is a lie

Ok, and then?

What's the alternative?

I'm not the one demanding all these things... I'm just offering suggestions along the lines of their demands - you now - real solutions to all the whining and crying ...

Go then - be one with nature....

Tom Clancy wrote a book about a group of 'lefties' who figure the best thing for the world was to get rid of everyone else and then enjoy the pristine environment etc.... at the end, after that group was vanquished, they were stripped of all gear and clothing and sent  off into Amazon jungles with the parting words - "Go - and be part with nature...."

Reality is a harsh mistress.... 3% of the population cannot go on demanding ownership over the whole land and they must be restricted - this is 2022 - not 1787 and they CANNOT own it all or even vast swathes of it and this nonsense must stop NOW ..... I merely offer solutions to suit all...  EQUALLY... they get what they want and we don't have to listen to their endless whining any more, and Indigenous Park would be self-sustaining and might even turn a profit.

Their death rate is above their birth rate - they are making themselves extinct

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 10:19am:

Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 10:09am: SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 9:57am: And then? Is this just another attempt to justify why they're unworthy of a voice, or support to help lift them out of the situations that lead to this sort of action? Why bring it up, what's the point? Are you trying to advocate for helping, or against helping and further segregating their communities from the rest of Australia? It's been such a rollercoaster of hate and misinformation that your point has been lost... This is happening NOW - and its out of control How does some crap in Canberra stop this savagery? It can't The Voice is a lie Ok, and then? What's the alternative?

No need for any alternative - they already have the same voice as everyone else and then some...

Enough is enough of your racism....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 10:22am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 10:19am: Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 10:09am: SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 9:57am: And then? Is this just another attempt to justify why they're unworthy of a voice, or support to help lift them out of the situations that lead to this sort of action? Why bring it up, what's the point? Are you trying to advocate for helping, or against helping and further segregating their communities from the rest of Australia? It's been such a rollercoaster of hate and misinformation that your point has been lost... This is happening NOW - and its out of control How does some crap in Canberra stop this savagery? It can't The Voice is a lie Ok, and then? What's the alternative? No need for any alternative - they already have the same voice as everyone else and then some... Enough is enough of your racism....

Oh, so, you and Boris aren't bringing up these examples because you're concerned about the people want to help them, want better outcomes for them after all?

Then, I wonder why you are bringing this up, over and over and over, and in the case of Boris, claiming it's indicative of the entirety of Indigenous Australians?

What ever could your motivations be?

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 10:21am:

Their death rate is above their birth rate - they are making themselves extinct

Then we should do something to help, right?

Better healthcare, better community support, housing, employment options etc?

Or..?

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 10:21am:

Their death rate is above their birth rate - they are making themselves extinct

The Black Syph will get them ... on the other hand they do have more and more people who want to be trendy and join their ranks... even the Abos are complaining about the White interlopers...

Talk about racism - I was going to put in a land claim for my ancestral grounds and they say I have to be Aboriginal to make any land claim.... purest racism I've ever seen... they can reckon they own all this land because their ancestors walked across it and never really settled it (those days of imperialist land claiming are gone) - I can't put in a claim for settlements my ancestors created ... bloody ridiculous.

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 10:30am:

Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 10:21am: Their death rate is above their birth rate - they are making themselves extinct Then we should do something to help, right? Better healthcare, better community support, housing, employment options etc? Or..?

We are doing all that and more but it is just getting worse

You cannot do the impossible

Go live in Darwin or the Alice and enjoy it all

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 10:30am:

Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 10:21am: Their death rate is above their birth rate - they are making themselves extinct Then we should do something to help, right? Better healthcare, better community support, housing, employment options etc? Or..?

Show us what hasn't been tried already - with full costings ....... just money thrown down the toilet and you even hate on the army going in to provide health care etc..

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 10:38am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 10:30am: Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 10:21am: Their death rate is above their birth rate - they are making themselves extinct Then we should do something to help, right? Better healthcare, better community support, housing, employment options etc? Or..? We are doing all that and more but it is just getting worse You cannot do the impossible Go live in Darwin or the Alice and enjoy it all

Go - be one with nature....

So alternative to the above then?

If you don't like the idea of the Voice, then what else can be done to assist these communities and especially the children you're so concerned about being raped and abused?

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 10:30am:

Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 10:21am: Their death rate is above their birth rate - they are making themselves extinct Then we should do something to help, right? Better healthcare, better community support, housing, employment options etc? Or..?

Move 'em all into towns, put 'em up in the camps, provide all they need .... yeah - that'll go down like a bowl of cancer....

We'll compromise then - give 'em a Homeland isolated etc as they demand, no interference from Whartey and no Whartey benefits, to do things their way, and we'll provide medical care.... but I must warn you that once that starts there will develop a need for protection of staff, followed by an established presence of authority, followed by an eventual takeover for their own best good....

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 10:48am:

So alternative to the above then? If you don't like the idea of the Voice, then what else can be done to assist these communities and especially the children you're so concerned about being raped and abused?

Take those children into protection?

That'll go down like another bowl of cancer.... the problem is you and you ilk want it both ways - and you can't have it.... that's what governments should be saying right now and should have been saying for forty years since the start of the feminist madness that triggered it all in the West - you can't have it both ways.

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 10:48am:

So alternative to the above then? If you don't like the idea of the Voice, then what else can be done to assist these communities and especially the children you're so concerned about being raped and abused?

We are interested in what your solutions are, apart from ham-handed and smarmy rhetoric.... words are cheap.... "oh - the tragedy!  - we must solve these issues on behalf of our darker brethren!"... OK....

HOW?

Voice = ATSIC on steroids and unassailable by being in the constitution.  Controlled by the Silverbacks with the biggest fists and the biggest standover (phrase from an Aboriginal woman, BTW), governed for their primary benefit with 'loans' and such to famjily etc, fine cars and perks for life........ meanwhile, apart from causing endless trouble in Parliament with endless demands - nothing will materially change for the better for the majority.

There is NO 'trickledown' from Silverbacks.... it's all one way and pure survival of the fittest = biggest Silverback - something dividie rails against constantly yet actually promotes since this is the only way they know.

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 7:50am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2022 at 1:16pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Now we see the inherent Racism in  Matty's posts.  All he rabbits on about is how sub-human his fellow Australians are.  How they once ate one another.  How they are only capable of crime and violence.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Yes because I have seen it first hand and its getting worse https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-09/employment-nt-alcohol-ban-domestic-violence-federal-inquiry/101753782

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Doesn't try to defence his Racism, just tries to justifies it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Ignorant fool.

Are they not violent? Are statistics all lies?

Were they not cannibals?

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:39am:

idiot

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me, your usual bluster when faced by someone who bothers to actually argue against your position, Matty - insult.  Really?  How about some reasoned argument in response?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

You do not argue only denigrate.

Ignorant fool.

Are they not violent? Are statistics all lies?

Were they not cannibals?

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 1:05pm:

Ignorant fool. Are they not violent? Are statistics all lies? Were they not cannibals?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png

Once, long, long, ago, they have since reformed, Matty.  Something that has been explained to you many, many, times but you refuse to admit that, for some obscure, Racist reason.  Why?  You are a lost cause, it appears, all you do is rant and rave all about Racism.  You won't wake up to yourself, your posts appear to come from another society.  Australia is becoming a more tolerant society, not the least one you propose and believe it to be.  Get with the message.  Grow up.  Indigenous Australians are your fellow human beings.  They are your equals and have been since 1967.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 1:15pm:

Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 1:05pm: Ignorant fool. Are they not violent? Are statistics all lies? Were they not cannibals? https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Once, long, long, ago, they have since reformed, Matty.  Something that has been explained to you many, many, times but you refuse to admit that, for some obscure, Racist reason.  Why?  You are a lost cause, it appears, all you do is rant and rave all about Racism.  You won't wake up to yourself, your posts appear to come from another society.  Australia is becoming a more tolerant society, not the least one you propose and believe it to be.  Get with the message.  Grow up.  Indigenous Australians are your fellow human beings.  They are your equals and have been since 1967.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Violence is now out of all control

Cannibalism may still be happening

Key points:
NT Police deployed 40 additional officers to Alice Springs on Wednesday night
People were told to stay out the Alice Springs CBD early on Wednesday morning due to crime
This is the second CBD shutdown in the town in two weeks

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-23/alice-springs-40-police-crime-second-cbd-shutdown-in-two-weeks/101686934

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 1:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 1:15pm: Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 1:05pm: Ignorant fool. Are they not violent? Are statistics all lies? Were they not cannibals? https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Once, long, long, ago, they have since reformed, Matty.  Something that has been explained to you many, many, times but you refuse to admit that, for some obscure, Racist reason.  Why?  You are a lost cause, it appears, all you do is rant and rave all about Racism.  You won't wake up to yourself, your posts appear to come from another society.  Australia is becoming a more tolerant society, not the least one you propose and believe it to be.  Get with the message.  Grow up.  Indigenous Australians are your fellow human beings.  They are your equals and have been since 1967.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Violence is now out of all control Cannibalism may still be happening Key points: NT Police deployed 40 additional officers to Alice Springs on Wednesday night People were told to stay out the Alice Springs CBD early on Wednesday morning due to crime This is the second CBD shutdown in the town in two weeks https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-23/alice-springs-40-police-crime-second-cbd-shutdown-in-two-weeks/101686934

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Oh, dearie, dearie me.  Where is your evidence of Cannibalism in recent times, Matty?  Non-existent?  Funny how your claims always founder on that fact. 

Stop spouting Racist bullshit.  Your claims about "The Voice" are so much crap.  Really why do you continue spouting them?  Why bother?  You are just displaying your Racist beliefs.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

When did the Cannibalism stop?

they still rape and murder women and children.

The Voice is a Crock

I say NO

You are a deluded fool or worse

They have spirits in rocks and mountains but not in plump babies.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 1:37pm:

Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 1:19pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 1:15pm: Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 1:05pm: Ignorant fool. Are they not violent? Are statistics all lies? Were they not cannibals? https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Once, long, long, ago, they have since reformed, Matty.  Something that has been explained to you many, many, times but you refuse to admit that, for some obscure, Racist reason.  Why?  You are a lost cause, it appears, all you do is rant and rave all about Racism.  You won't wake up to yourself, your posts appear to come from another society.  Australia is becoming a more tolerant society, not the least one you propose and believe it to be.  Get with the message.  Grow up.  Indigenous Australians are your fellow human beings.  They are your equals and have been since 1967.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Violence is now out of all control Cannibalism may still be happening Key points: NT Police deployed 40 additional officers to Alice Springs on Wednesday night People were told to stay out the Alice Springs CBD early on Wednesday morning due to crime This is the second CBD shutdown in the town in two weeks https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-23/alice-springs-40-police-crime-second-cbd-shutdown-in-two-weeks/101686934 https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Oh, dearie, dearie me.  Where is your evidence of Cannibalism in recent times, Matty?  Non-existent?  Funny how your claims always founder on that fact.  Stop spouting Racist bullshit.  Your claims about "The Voice" are so much crap.  Really why do you continue spouting them?  Why bother?  You are just displaying your Racist beliefs.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

How would the voice work and what will it achieve, Bbwian?

Tell us why it is necessary.

The Boongs wouldn't want to own up to eating their own babies only 100rys ago as culture or people might see them as savages.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/nt-police-attacked-in-remote-community/ar-AA154uJu?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=228d1ed57c4246879edc6fe56a4c5c97

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 1:51pm:

When did the Cannibalism stop? they still rape and murder women and children. The Voice is a Crock I say NO You are a deluded fool or worse

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me, it's been explained to you many times before.   Read the previous explanations, Matty.

The Voice is perhaps the last hope of a once proud people.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Lets not forget Abbos are savages and uncivilised until white man got here, we made them see the wrong in eating their own and gave them housing etc, it's time for them to get off their bums and contributed to society, bludgers.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/nt-police-attacked-in-remote-community/ar-AA154uJu?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=228d1ed57c4246879edc6fe56a4c5c97

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 5:58pm:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png The Voice is perhaps the last hope of a once proud people. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

How would the voice work and what will it achieve, Bbwian?

Tell us why it is necessary.

Johnnie wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 6:46pm:

Lets not forget Abbos are savages and uncivilised until white man got here, we made them see the wrong in eating their own and gave them housing etc, it's time for them to get off their bums and contributed to society, bludgers. https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/nt-police-attacked-in-remote-community/ar-AA154uJu?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=228d1ed57c4246879edc6fe56a4c5c97

If you choose to live in the Ning Nang Nong, you are bound to be 'disadvantaged' given that there is nothing to do but carry on your traditional pursuits..

Somebody tell me why they all stay there and duke it out... surely the smart young ones could graduate school and move to learning a trade or nursing or working in the mines or dock work in Darwin or something.... it's not as if they are forced to stay there behind barbed wire with guard towers on the corners....

This is getting more like the Palestinians day by day... herded into a narrow strip and kept there by their Arab 'brothers' so they can have political leverage and say how bad Israel is ....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 7:54pm:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 6:46pm: Lets not forget Abbos are savages and uncivilised until white man got here, we made them see the wrong in eating their own and gave them housing etc, it's time for them to get off their bums and contributed to society, bludgers. https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/nt-police-attacked-in-remote-community/ar-AA154uJu?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=228d1ed57c4246879edc6fe56a4c5c97 If you choose to live in the Ning Nang Nong, you are bound to be 'disadvantaged' given that there is nothing to do but carry on your traditional pursuits.. Somebody tell me why they all stay there and duke it out... surely the smart young ones could graduate school and move to learning a trade or nursing or working in the mines or dock work in Darwin or something.... it's not as if they are forced to stay there behind barbed wire with guard towers on the corners.... This is getting more like the Palestinians day by day... herded into a narrow strip and kept there by their Arab 'brothers' so they can have political leverage and say how bad Israel is ....

We can't leave them sitting out there in the dirt sucking on VB's forever, someday someone is going to have to make the harsh decision and bring them in for their own good.

Johnnie wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:29pm:

We can't leave them sitting out there in the dirt sucking on VB's forever, someday someone is going to have to make the harsh decision and bring them in for their own good.

I suggested that to sad kangaroo, and he bolted....

Nobody ever offers a real solution to the problems - all they ever do is play the game of Victimhood and attack any who have any ideas...

Neglected/abused children removed to safety - Stolen Generations = compensation.

Blockade on alcohol - 'Scrimination  = compensation down the track.

Remove 'em all the a place where they can learn a trade etc - nasty gulag re-education camps = compensation down the track.

Send in the police to control crime and violence = genocide and killing them in custody........

Send in the Army to give medical aid etc = Invasion and shooting them in the streets... Genocide Revisited.

When will those out there who screech at everyone else actually come up with a solution?  This is like Albo - just turn the taps back on for the booze etc, and stop restricting their government income to necessities... but offer actual solutions to the real problems?  Nah .... just try to sell us some crazed idea of some Voice that will magically change everything.....but without explaining what it actually is.

No thanks.

I reckon a Homeland is the best for them....they can live their idyllic lifestyle pre-1788 there and not have anything of Whartey's to make their lives difficult.

Put simply -there are no solutions unless they make them so.... and they flatly refuse to even try, so it's the Homeland for them all.... on their own.

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*SIGH*  Your solutions are imposed.  You never ask the Indigenous what they want or need.  So, what is the point of listening to you?  Absolutely nothing, na-da.  Everytime Indigenous Australians suggest anything, you belittle and disparage it automatically.  You don't listen, ever.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Ever seen a raped baby?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 10:26pm:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:29pm: We can't leave them sitting out there in the dirt sucking on VB's forever, someday someone is going to have to make the harsh decision and bring them in for their own good. I suggested that to sad kangaroo, and he bolted.... Nobody ever offers a real solution to the problems - all they ever do is play the game of Victimhood and attack any who have any ideas... Neglected/abused children removed to safety - Stolen Generations = compensation. Blockade on alcohol - 'Scrimination  = compensation down the track. Remove 'em all the a place where they can learn a trade etc - nasty gulag re-education camps = compensation down the track. Send in the police to control crime and violence = genocide and killing them in custody........ Send in the Army to give medical aid etc = Invasion and shooting them in the streets... Genocide Revisited. When will those out there who screech at everyone else actually come up with a solution?  This is like Albo - just turn the taps back on for the booze etc, and stop restricting their government income to necessities... but offer actual solutions to the real problems?  Nah .... just try to sell us some crazed idea of some Voice that will magically change everything.....but without explaining what it actually is. No thanks. I reckon a Homeland is the best for them....they can live their idyllic lifestyle pre-1788 there and not have anything of Whartey's to make their lives difficult. Put simply -there are no solutions unless they make them so.... and they flatly refuse to even try, so it's the Homeland for them all.... on their own.

I would be ok with them if they didn't cause any trouble and they wern't bludgers but they do and are, they don't even send their kids to school the fkkn crunts, they can fkk off and the next time they come out in numbers during a pandemic in support of Floyd and black lives matter the crew will be waiting for them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFgN0FV40k8

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 10:30pm:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png *SIGH*  Your solutions are imposed.  You never ask the Indigenous what they want or need.  So, what is the point of listening to you?  Absolutely nothing, na-da.  Everytime Indigenous Australians suggest anything, you belittle and disparage it automatically.  You don't listen, ever.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

You make it out as if remote Aborigines are MADE to get pissed and clobber each other, against their will, by non-Aboriginal (including Indians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Slovenians) and that they would stop if only they were asked what they would like to do with themselves instead. But nobody ever asks them and nobody would listen anyway, so they have no choice but go on drinking, fighting and neglecting their kiddies.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 10:30pm:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png *SIGH*  Your solutions are imposed.  You never ask the Indigenous what they want or need.  So, what is the point of listening to you?  Absolutely nothing, na-da.  Everytime Indigenous Australians suggest anything, you belittle and disparage it automatically.  You don't listen, ever.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

You make it out as if remote Aborigines are MADE to get pissed and clobber each other, against their will, by non-Aboriginal (including Indians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Slovenians) and that they would stop if only they were asked what they would like to do with themselves instead. But nobody ever asks them and nobody would listen anyway, so they have no choice but go on drinking, fighting and neglecting their kiddies.

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 11:19pm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFgN0FV40k8

They are crying out for a job.

Simple - WHAT IS IT THEN THAT THEY WANT??

Clear and simple English will do, thanks...

Note:-  I have yet to get a simple answer from any of the zealots/fanatics/ideologues about ANY of these issues.... not that it's a difficult question or anything.....

I offered them a block of land per family - great bonus .... I offered them a Homeland etc..... I offered them the opportunity to pack and and go back to Asia/Africa ...... what I didn't offer them was the 'right' to somehow 'own' the whole nation by bleating about it and getting their tame Wharteys to jump up and down without a single thought in their head or to just get whatever they want at any given time by a campaign of terror...

BTW - nobody 'owns' a natural feature that's been there for millions of years.... phark 'em .....

To the Lefties - they know about the Rape and murder of Children - it's no problem they just love these people.

The Lefties know they were and possibly still are Cannibals - it's no problem they just love these people.

the Left just want to give Australia away to these people to destroy

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 11:01pm:

Ever seen a raped baby?

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Bet you enjoyed every morbid minute, Matty.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

So that's a No from you.

It's something you never forget and I can say something you never get over.

Aboriginal women and children are raped and or murdered every week if not every day in the NT.

It is sickening - literally.

Savages - and you want them to have extreme political power in this Country - My Country.

I say no

Boris wrote on Dec 12^th, 2022 at 10:37am:

So that's a No from you. It's something you never forget and I can say something you never get over. Aboriginal women and children are raped and or murdered every week if not every day in the NT. It is sickening - literally. Savages - and you want them to have extreme political power in this Country - My Country. I say no

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As you are entitled to say, Matty.  However, hopefully you be in the minority and finally the Indigenous will be given a Voice.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Only a Moron would want this

The Voice

1 A vehicle for allocating social & economic resources

2 Not merely advisory but wield veto powers over any Legislation

3 Be impossible to repeal, defund or reform when it goes bad

It will be a significant control over the Parliament destroying Democracy as the Voice is not elected.

I reckon you'ld be a tender little morsel of flesh Boris.
A little bit of seasoning and...

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Loud and ‘nasty’ voices may not speak the truth on the Voice Sean Kelly In 2016, two votes, quite close together, helped shape a narrative that has affected the media’s approach to elections ever since. The victories of Brexit and Donald Trump were used to tell many stories. Among them was the idea that the loudest voices on the right may be more significant than they may at first seem; that the polling might be wildly wrong, disguising battalions of “shy Tories”. The lingering effect of this story could be seen in 2022, in another pair of oddly similar elections. Many predicted the midterm elections in the United States would be a bloodbath for Joe Biden. Instead, there was remarkable stability – not a single sitting senator lost, the first time that has happened since 1912. In Victoria, many in the media expected the state election to be close, with Daniel Andrews losing seats. Late last week the final lower house result was called: Labor had in fact gained a seat. It is important to note that in both cases the pollsters were fairly accurate. Certainly, the media prefers certain narratives over others (close contest versus blowout, say), which played a part. But it is hard to avoid the sense that here, as in America, loud and nasty voices somehow managed to convince large swathes of media that they were far more representative of general opinion than they in fact turned out to be. Given this country will, next year, see a major national vote on a matter of historic importance – the referendum on the Indigenous Voice to Parliament – it is worth asking which of the two narratives will influence the media’s approach. Will editors and journalists approach it in the shadow of 2016, believing the loudest voices deserve coverage because they are broadly representative, even if polling suggests otherwise? Or will they take the more recent lesson: that vitriolic opposition from the usual suspects may tell us little that is useful? Because of course there will be vitriolic opposition. Last week marked five years since the same-sex marriage plebiscite. By now, most will remember the result and little more. And most – though not those in the LGBTIQ community – will have forgotten how nasty things became. I cannot do better than quoting arts writer Dee Jefferson, who wrote at the time: “the debate has been as much a debate about homosexuality as it has been about marriage. The hardest part has been realising how much homophobia and hate actually exists.” There was a huge increase in demand for mental health services, and one study afterwards found increased levels of stress, anxiety and depression in the community whose rights were the subject of national debate. Most will have forgotten the foolishness, too – the lame attempts by public figures to jump on every possible hook as a way of gaining relevance. Remember Tony Abbott attacking the NRL for allowing Macklemore to sing a hit song, supporting marriage equality, at the grand final – followed by Peter Dutton suggesting “free speech” implied a second song “against gay marriage” should be played as well? The greater foolishness, though, came about in the way that the actual topic of debate was quickly left behind, in favour of feverish speculation about what might come next. Marriage was not really the issue, “No” campaigners declared. They were fighting to prevent the end of Mother’s Day. From the thinnest of legal pretexts, they argued the real danger was that priests would be punished, and that defending traditional marriage would become illegal. Marriage equality was, said Senator Cory Bernardi, a “rainbow Trojan horse”. On the Voice front, both the Minister for Indigenous Australians, Linda Burney, and Indigenous academic Marcia Langton have recently warned of vitriol. We are in the early days of this new debate; still, the signs are not good. In recent weeks we have seen prominent commentators recycle old, dangerous tropes. One referred to “the Indigenous industry”, with its nasty implication that there is good money to be made out of being Indigenous. Another warned us that the Voice could be filled with people like Lidia Thorpe; it might behave like Noel Pearson. This is the worst type of condescension: you cannot have a Voice because you cannot be trusted to appoint the right type of Indigenous person. And sure enough, the other pattern from the marriage debate has recurred too: such insinuations are accompanied in the public sphere by wild speculation about legal consequences, with rhetoric just as absurdly overdone. The Voice will be a “shadow government”, we have been warned. And “Parliamentary democracy as we have known it will be dead”, we are told. This past weekend marked 30 years since Paul Keating’s landmark Redfern speech, in which he told the truth about our violent history. Another recent anniversary went largely unremarked: it is 25 years since John Howard, on the ABC, held a photocopied map of Australia up to the camera and told viewers that without his intervention native title laws would allow Aboriginal veto over development on 78 per cent of the land mass of Australia. “Now, that is a very simple message.” It was, too – he was telling voters that First Australians were coming for their land. Now we are being fed a similar line: they are coming for our government.

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Pearson calling opponents of the Voice 'rednecks' was loud and nasty.


The divisions in the Nationals come after Cape York leader Noel Pearson ripped into the party and Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price over the voice policy, with the Walpriri-Celtic senator later defending herself against “bullies”.
Mr Pearson, founder of Cape York Partnerships, excoriated Nationals leader David Littleproud on Tuesday for what he described as his total capitulation to the Country Liberal Party senator.

The Cape York leader – and co-architect of the Uluru Statement from the Heart – said the Nationals’ newly declared opposition to the voice was at odds with the party’s respectful engagement on the voice concept in the past.

He said Senator Price was being used by right-wing people who had been searching for an Indigenous person to articulate their views since before she ­entered parliament this year.

“She is caught in a vortex that reminds me of Pauline Hanson 26 years ago … it’s a celebrity vortex, it’s very compelling, it gets her out in front of people and it gets a lot of cheers but it’s also a redneck celebrity vortex and ultimately it’s a tragic redneck celebrity vortex that she’s caught up in,” Mr Pearson told ABC Radio National.
“(And) it involves right-wing people, particularly the Sydney and Melbourne-based right-wing think tanks. They’re the string-pullers, the ones who have lined up behind Jacinta … their strategy was to find a black fella to punch down on other black fellas.”

Senator Price responded to Mr Pearson by saying it did not take long for nasty to rear its ugly head. She said she did not care for the absolute noise of bullies.

“I am no stranger to attacks from angry men who claim to speak on behalf of Aboriginal Australia,” she said in a statement.

“It’s not hard to see why as an Aboriginal woman I have reservations about enshrining an idea that lacks detail into our parliament that has the potential to empower bullies like those I have encountered over the years.”
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/jacinta-nampijinpa-price-caught-in-tragic-redneck-celebrity-vortex-noel-pearson-claims/news-story/dec675cc5931279da893c07a08e8313b

It is stupid and nasty for Pearson and others to insinuate that Price can't think for herself and does not represent Aboriginal women but metropolitan right wing think tanks.

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 1:51pm:

When did the Cannibalism

When you went to sleep.   ::)

John Smith wrote on Dec 12^th, 2022 at 8:49pm:

Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 1:51pm: When did the Cannibalism stop? When you went to sleep.   ::)

they still rape and murder women and children.

You wouldn't know in the Inner city sipping Lattes and reading Marx

Boris wrote on Dec 12^th, 2022 at 9:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2022 at 8:49pm: Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 1:51pm: When did the Cannibalism stop? When you went to sleep.   ::) they still rape and murder women and children. You wouldn't know in the Inner city sipping Lattes and reading Marx

As against your reading of Mein Kampf by your hero, uncle Adolph?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, lets all enjoy insulting one another, shall we?  Your the only one who starts from that position and carries on doing it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

ignorant fool

no idea of the reality of the violence

no idea at all

Boris wrote on Dec 12^th, 2022 at 9:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 12th, 2022 at 8:49pm: Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 1:51pm: When did the Cannibalism stop? When you went to sleep.   ::) they still rape and murder women and children. You wouldn't know in the Inner city sipping Lattes and reading Marx

So you agree the cannibalism is just your imagination and when you sleep the  cannibalism stops

I admit you need help.

The Aborigines have a long history of Cannibalism and Savagery.

When did they stop being Cannibals?

For all I know they still do it.

Boris wrote on Dec 12^th, 2022 at 9:27pm:

ignorant fool no idea of the reality of the violence no idea at all

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You, OTOH exaggerate to the point of ridiculousness, Matty.  You claim all Indigenous Australians are subhuman.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Boris wrote on Dec 13^th, 2022 at 6:29am:

I admit you need help. The Aborigines have a long history of Cannibalism and Savagery. When did they stop being Cannibals? For all I know they still do it.

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People change, Matty.  It has all been explained to you many, many times but you refuse to accept it.  To you Indigenous Australians all sub-human savages who kill one another with gay abandon, when they aren't raping one another and sexually abusing their children.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13^th, 2022 at 11:45am:

Boris wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 6:29am: I admit you need help. The Aborigines have a long history of Cannibalism and Savagery. When did they stop being Cannibals? For all I know they still do it. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png People change, Matty.  It has all been explained to you many, many times but you refuse to accept it.  To you Indigenous Australians all sub-human savages who kill one another with gay abandon, when they aren't raping one another and sexually abusing their children.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Child abuse and mistreatment in Aboriginal communities are endemic and worsening by the year. Here’s a few snapshots:

Rates of hospitalisation for neglect and abandonment among indigenous children have been put at thirty to eighty times higher than for the non-indigenous population.


More than 12,000 Aboriginal children have been removed and are in care, making up a third of all Australian children in care.


One in nineteen Aboriginal children is in care, ten times the non-indigenous rate.


In Queensland, one in every 2.2 Aboriginal children is known to Child Safety, and this is expected to increase to every second child being known to Child Safety this fiscal year. In 2007–08, only one in 4.6 Aboriginal children was known to Child Safety.


Yet under-reporting of the sexual abuse of Aboriginal children may be nearly 90 per cent.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13^th, 2022 at 11:45am:

Boris wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 6:29am: I admit you need help. The Aborigines have a long history of Cannibalism and Savagery. When did they stop being Cannibals? For all I know they still do it. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png People change, Matty.  It has all been explained to you many, many times but you refuse to accept it.  To you Indigenous Australians all sub-human savages who kill one another with gay abandon, when they aren't raping one another and sexually abusing their children.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Not all - just those who, on the figures, do so.  What are your proposals to stop that?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 13^th, 2022 at 9:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 11:45am: Boris wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 6:29am: I admit you need help. The Aborigines have a long history of Cannibalism and Savagery. When did they stop being Cannibals? For all I know they still do it. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png People change, Matty.  It has all been explained to you many, many times but you refuse to accept it.  To you Indigenous Australians all sub-human savages who kill one another with gay abandon, when they aren't raping one another and sexually abusing their children.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Not all - just those who, on the figures, do so.  What are your proposals to stop that?

How about we ask the Indigenous People and actually listen to what they suggest, Graps?  As I've said you're all for enforcing your proposals on other people, you never listen to what they believe would work for them.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Boris wrote on Dec 13^th, 2022 at 9:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 11:45am: Boris wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 6:29am: I admit you need help. The Aborigines have a long history of Cannibalism and Savagery. When did they stop being Cannibals? For all I know they still do it. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png People change, Matty.  It has all been explained to you many, many times but you refuse to accept it.  To you Indigenous Australians all sub-human savages who kill one another with gay abandon, when they aren't raping one another and sexually abusing their children.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Child abuse and mistreatment in Aboriginal communities are endemic and worsening by the year. Here’s a few snapshots: Rates of hospitalisation for neglect and abandonment among indigenous children have been put at thirty to eighty times higher than for the non-indigenous population. More than 12,000 Aboriginal children have been removed and are in care, making up a third of all Australian children in care. One in nineteen Aboriginal children is in care, ten times the non-indigenous rate. In Queensland, one in every 2.2 Aboriginal children is known to Child Safety, and this is expected to increase to every second child being known to Child Safety this fiscal year. In 2007–08, only one in 4.6 Aboriginal children was known to Child Safety. Yet under-reporting of the sexual abuse of Aboriginal children may be nearly 90 per cent.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, Matty.  Boring and Racist.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13^th, 2022 at 9:55pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 9:49pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 11:45am: Boris wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 6:29am: I admit you need help. The Aborigines have a long history of Cannibalism and Savagery. When did they stop being Cannibals? For all I know they still do it. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png People change, Matty.  It has all been explained to you many, many times but you refuse to accept it.  To you Indigenous Australians all sub-human savages who kill one another with gay abandon, when they aren't raping one another and sexually abusing their children.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Not all - just those who, on the figures, do so.  What are your proposals to stop that? How about we ask the Indigenous People and actually listen to what they suggest, Graps?  As I've said you're all for enforcing your proposals on other people, you never listen to what they believe would work for them.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

There are already 1100 Aboriginal organisations telling us what to do for Aborigines.  And by their own reckoning and KPIs,  they are performing beyond expectation.
Yet nothing is getting better for Aborigines so we need one more body, No. 1101, and that one will do what the 1100, highly effective though they all are, cannot achieve.

Bbwian, if you were any more full of crap you'd be MADE OF crap. (He is. ed.)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 13^th, 2022 at 9:57pm:

Boris wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 9:14pm: Child abuse and mistreatment in Aboriginal communities are endemic and worsening by the year. Here’s a few snapshots: Rates of hospitalisation for neglect and abandonment among indigenous children have been put at thirty to eighty times higher than for the non-indigenous population. More than 12,000 Aboriginal children have been removed and are in care, making up a third of all Australian children in care. One in nineteen Aboriginal children is in care, ten times the non-indigenous rate. In Queensland, one in every 2.2 Aboriginal children is known to Child Safety, and this is expected to increase to every second child being known to Child Safety this fiscal year. In 2007–08, only one in 4.6 Aboriginal children was known to Child Safety. Yet under-reporting of the sexual abuse of Aboriginal children may be nearly 90 per cent. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Yeah, yeah, yeah, Matty.  Boring and Racist.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Poor Tututsie Bbwian, he is BORED by Aboriginal child abuse and neglect. He's so BORED about it, it makes him yawny sleepy. 

Why not talk about Diwali or Ramadan,  so much more exciting.