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A federal government department ordered Walkley Award-winning cartoonist Mark Knight to take down a Herald Sun cartoon of Uluru

The rest is paywalled. Anyone know what is going on?

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"A federal government department ordered Walkley Award-winning cartoonist Mark Knight to take down a Herald Sun cartoon of Uluru and demanded he apply for a permit to draw the rock."

https://twitter.com/RoadknightThe/status/1599177604007104513

So it doesn't matter how accurate a drawing is just say it is Uluru.

How about a caricature of Uluru? Would that need a permit as well? ::)

freediver wrote on Dec 4^th, 2022 at 12:08pm:

Quote: A federal government department ordered Walkley Award-winning cartoonist Mark Knight to take down a Herald Sun cartoon of Uluru The rest is paywalled. Anyone know what is going on?

Sometimes a question is just a question, no?

Which federal government department ordered the take down?

Will we see an attack on the Sun Herald with "terrorist" spears thrown at cartoonists?

I have had a look for some other sources but the only reference I can find is the paywalled Herald Sun article.  Seems an interesting topic for debate here. Anyone got anything?

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2022 at 12:51pm:

Which federal government department ordered the take down? Will we see an attack on the Sun Herald with "terrorist" spears thrown at cartoonists?

Good question.

FD?

Don't see how the gov has any right to ask this?

Don't like the cartoon at all but no way they don't have the right to print it.

Bad taste would make taking it down a good idea if they were to make that decision but not because of anything the gov has to say.

Why would they think that is Ayres rock - it looks nothing like it. Surely he can draw better than that ?



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demanded he apply for a permit to draw the rock.

Does it get any sillier.

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Does it get any sillier.

Yes, I suspect it will.

Well if they can ban Trump from the Media/Twitter/etc from running for President.
I'm sure they can do whatever they bloody like here.
Suck it up fairies.

Jasin wrote on Dec 4^th, 2022 at 1:53pm:

Well if they can ban Trump from the Media/Twitter/etc from running for President. I'm sure they can do whatever they bloody like here. Suck it up fairies.

It was reasonable for a twitter ban in response to using Twitter to stage an insurrection that got people killed.

As the instigator of an insurrection Trump should be barred from holding any public office in the future under the terms of the constitutions 14th amendment.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 4^th, 2022 at 1:57pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 1:53pm: Well if they can ban Trump from the Media/Twitter/etc from running for President. I'm sure they can do whatever they bloody like here. Suck it up fairies. It was reasonable for a twitter ban in response to using Twitter to stage an insurrection that got people killed. As the instigator of an insurrection Trump should be barred from holding any public office in the future under the terms of the constitutions 14th amendment.

It was an uprising against a tyrannical Swamp, and the citizens are allowed to do that according to their Declaration of Independence ... it's a pity that every citizen in the US didn't join them, the traitorous DemSwamp needs to be brought to heel before they destroy the United States completely

Here you go, guys - the paywalled Herald Sun article.

I'll have to do this in 3 parts.

It should be readable.

Part 1:

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Part 2:

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Part 3 which is the images in the article (couldn't include them in the above screenshots because they were WAY too large to read the text in the article by the time I reduced it below the 250 KB attachment size).

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So now we need permission from Aborigines to draw a picture of Ayer's Rock?

freediver wrote on Dec 4^th, 2022 at 3:57pm:

So now we need permission from Aborigines to draw a picture of Ayer's Rock?

No need to panic Karen, they've acknowledged that they should never have sent it. You can unknot your knickers now

It's a rather odd mistake to make, don't you think?

freediver wrote on Dec 4^th, 2022 at 4:15pm:

It's a rather odd mistake to make, don't you think?

As opposed to a normal mistake? Merely an
overzealous public servant who was likely on a power trip. If you deal with govt departments often enough you'll find there is nothing odd about it at all.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 4^th, 2022 at 1:57pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 1:53pm: Well if they can ban Trump from the Media/Twitter/etc from running for President. I'm sure they can do whatever they bloody like here. Suck it up fairies. It was reasonable for a twitter ban in response to using Twitter to stage an insurrection that got people killed. As the instigator of an insurrection Trump should be barred from holding any public office in the future under the terms of the constitutions 14th amendment.

It wasn't an insurrection. It was a Protest against a Corrupt Government that needs to held accountable to its International Crimes in the world and making America look bad, not Great.
Calling it an insurrection is like Donald Sutherland calling Katniss Everdeen an insurrectionist and terrorist.  ;D

lee wrote on Dec 4^th, 2022 at 12:16pm:

"A federal government department ordered Walkley Award-winning cartoonist Mark Knight to take down a Herald Sun cartoon of Uluru and demanded he apply for a permit to draw the rock." https://twitter.com/RoadknightThe/status/1599177604007104513 So it doesn't matter how accurate a drawing is just say it is Uluru. How about a caricature of Uluru? Would that need a permit as well? ::)

https://s3-eu-central-1.amazonaws.com/cartoons-s3/styles/product_detail_image/s3/cartoons/2020/01/you_cant_draw_me_im_the_prophet_mohammad__pete_kreiner.png

Is this the sort of thing we can expect if 'The Voice' becomes a reality?  Professional Aborigines and their public service apparatchiks  attempting to censor anything they don't like on 'cultural' or other dubious grounds?   And the irony of this particular piece of attempted censorship is delicious! ;D   

Take away the United Kingdom of Entertainment or the Great Britain of Politics.
Take away the USA and its right for Free Settlers to own a gun and shoot natives.

What you are left with is a country with 25 million 'Aboriginal' people under Aboriginal Law.

Dare you (because the Poms and Yanks won't, it's not their problem) defy the Aboriginal Resurgence and Reclaimation of their own land??? ;D

freediver wrote on Dec 4^th, 2022 at 3:57pm:

So now we need permission from Aborigines to draw a picture of Ayer's Rock?

Whoops. Might be time to update the site, FD.

How about a Hills Hoist? We invented that.

Aussie Aussie Aussie, no?

John Smith wrote on Dec 4^th, 2022 at 4:21pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 4:15pm: It's a rather odd mistake to make, don't you think? As opposed to a normal mistake? Merely an overzealous public servant who was likely on a power trip. If you deal with govt departments often enough you'll find there is nothing odd about it at all.

It is when they're dealing with the Murdoch press, JS. Normally it's hands-off.

Perhaps Parks were empowered by last week's Media Watch on the futility of News Ltd's campaign against Dan Andrews.

Either way, Parks Australia should be nice, eat brown rice, and let anybody draw Uluru if they want.

If they're bored, they should tell FD to take down his silly black fence.

Karnal wrote on Dec 4^th, 2022 at 5:14pm:

Whoops. Might be time to update the site, FD. How about a Hills Hoist? We invented that. Aussie Aussie Aussie, no?

Oh, I don't know, Matty.

Doesn't seem to have quite the desired effect.

Perhaps putting the fence around it may help?

(I'd better be careful because what the hoist is standing on does look like a bit like a 'Mini Uluru').

:)

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Cartoonists!  Refrain from anti-social actions and dissident thoughts!  Remove your thinking from any possibility of a NO voice becoming mainstream!!  Follow loyally the commands of your public servants in their earnest desire to create a fair go country for all by removing your decadent and unworthy thoughts from the public eye!

Carl D wrote on Dec 4^th, 2022 at 5:39pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 5:14pm: Whoops. Might be time to update the site, FD. How about a Hills Hoist? We invented that. Aussie Aussie Aussie, no? Oh, I don't know, Matty. Doesn't seem to have quite the desired effect. Perhaps putting the fence around it may help? (I'd better be careful because what the hoist is standing on does look like a bit like a 'Mini Uluru'). :)

Nonsense. Carl, your picture is perfect. The Hills Hoist is divine.

FD, can you please change your krappy picture? Carl's is heaps better.

No fences, please. We're British.

Cheers.

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2022 at 2:39pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 1:57pm: Jasin wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 1:53pm: Well if they can ban Trump from the Media/Twitter/etc from running for President. I'm sure they can do whatever they bloody like here. Suck it up fairies. It was reasonable for a twitter ban in response to using Twitter to stage an insurrection that got people killed. As the instigator of an insurrection Trump should be barred from holding any public office in the future under the terms of the constitutions 14th amendment. It was an uprising against a tyrannical Swamp, and the citizens are allowed to do that according to their Declaration of Independence ... it's a pity that every citizen in the US didn't join them, the traitorous DemSwamp needs to be brought to heel before they destroy the United States completely

Had that been true Elmer would not have been convicted for sedition.

John Smith wrote on Dec 4^th, 2022 at 4:21pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 4:15pm: It's a rather odd mistake to make, don't you think? As opposed to a normal mistake? Merely an overzealous public servant who was likely on a power trip. If you deal with govt departments often enough you'll find there is nothing odd about it at all.

So you think just one person was responsible?

Dnarever wrote on Dec 4^th, 2022 at 6:06pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 2:39pm: Dnarever wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 1:57pm: Jasin wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 1:53pm: Well if they can ban Trump from the Media/Twitter/etc from running for President. I'm sure they can do whatever they bloody like here. Suck it up fairies. It was reasonable for a twitter ban in response to using Twitter to stage an insurrection that got people killed. As the instigator of an insurrection Trump should be barred from holding any public office in the future under the terms of the constitutions 14th amendment. It was an uprising against a tyrannical Swamp, and the citizens are allowed to do that according to their Declaration of Independence ... it's a pity that every citizen in the US didn't join them, the traitorous DemSwamp needs to be brought to heel before they destroy the United States completely Had that been true Elmer would not have been convicted for sedition.

If it was true, there wouldn't be hundreds of convictions and jail sentences for people who fought like hell and did exactly what Mr Trump said on Jan 6, killing 6, injuring hundreds and costing millions in property damage. 

There wouldn't be convictions and jail sentences for Mr Trump's lawyer Mike, and his Financial Officer Allen, for doing what Mr Trump exactly told them to do. Mike even has him on tape.

It's all true, and the only reason Matty's Dear Leader is not behind bars yet is a little known decision by the DOJ known as executive privilege. And that's okay.

The investigations in Georgia, New York State, the DOJ and all those civil cases with all those deponents, have all the time in the world.

Truth. Justice. Rule of law. It's the American way, no?

freediver wrote on Dec 4^th, 2022 at 7:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 4:21pm: freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 4:15pm: It's a rather odd mistake to make, don't you think? As opposed to a normal mistake? Merely an overzealous public servant who was likely on a power trip. If you deal with govt departments often enough you'll find there is nothing odd about it at all. So you think just one person was responsible?

What do you think of Carl's new picture for the site, FD?

Can we vote on it?

Freeeeeeeedom, innit.

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Dnarever wrote on Dec 4^th, 2022 at 6:06pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 2:39pm: Dnarever wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 1:57pm: Jasin wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 1:53pm: Well if they can ban Trump from the Media/Twitter/etc from running for President. I'm sure they can do whatever they bloody like here. Suck it up fairies. It was reasonable for a twitter ban in response to using Twitter to stage an insurrection that got people killed. As the instigator of an insurrection Trump should be barred from holding any public office in the future under the terms of the constitutions 14th amendment. It was an uprising against a tyrannical Swamp, and the citizens are allowed to do that according to their Declaration of Independence ... it's a pity that every citizen in the US didn't join them, the traitorous DemSwamp needs to be brought to heel before they destroy the United States completely Had that been true Elmer would not have been convicted for sedition.

That was a political show trial by the DemoratSwamp

https://i.imgflip.com/735psu.jpg

You mean this rock?  This picture should upset them then.... phark 'em!!

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freediver wrote on Dec 4^th, 2022 at 7:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 4:21pm: freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 4:15pm: It's a rather odd mistake to make, don't you think? As opposed to a normal mistake? Merely an overzealous public servant who was likely on a power trip. If you deal with govt departments often enough you'll find there is nothing odd about it at all. So you think just one person was responsible?

No, I think they most likely ran a poll on newspoll before deciding.

Karnal wrote on Dec 4^th, 2022 at 7:21pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 7:14pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 4:21pm: freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 4:15pm: It's a rather odd mistake to make, don't you think? As opposed to a normal mistake? Merely an overzealous public servant who was likely on a power trip. If you deal with govt departments often enough you'll find there is nothing odd about it at all. So you think just one person was responsible? What do you think of Carl's new picture for the site, FD? Can we vote on it? Freeeeeeeedom, innit.

I like it. without the fence.

Was that meant to be Ayres rock, I thought it was a potato.

I assumed that FD was having a shot at Dutton.

Careful FreeDiver.

You do realise that the Aboriginal and Islamic cultures are 'Portals' to Africa.
The Stone of Mecca and the Monolith Uluru are much the same to its people's who hold them sacred.
If they have the Copyright on Uluru, let alone this country - then it's best get permission, no?
Afterall, British/American influence on this country is only here by default. When they pack up and go - where will you be? Will you go back to where you came from 'culturally'?

You wanna pass GO and collect your $200 here?
Then you got to make a Sacrifice and pay your way.
Until then. Bend the knee.

I predict you'll remove your OzPolitic 'signage' soon. ;)

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2022 at 11:29am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 6:06pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 2:39pm: Dnarever wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 1:57pm: Jasin wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 1:53pm: Well if they can ban Trump from the Media/Twitter/etc from running for President. I'm sure they can do whatever they bloody like here. Suck it up fairies. It was reasonable for a twitter ban in response to using Twitter to stage an insurrection that got people killed. As the instigator of an insurrection Trump should be barred from holding any public office in the future under the terms of the constitutions 14th amendment. It was an uprising against a tyrannical Swamp, and the citizens are allowed to do that according to their Declaration of Independence ... it's a pity that every citizen in the US didn't join them, the traitorous DemSwamp needs to be brought to heel before they destroy the United States completely Had that been true Elmer would not have been convicted for sedition. That was a political show trial by the DemoratSwamp

No they were there, Mr Trump put them on standby and then later called them to the capital. On the day he told them to go to the capital and to fight like hell. They did as instructed. Its called sedition. They are traitors.

And yet another thread about an Australian issue gets turned into a topic about Trump - a has-been foreign leader that way too many people here have an extremely unhealthy obsession with.  I don't care about your Trump derangement syndrome, but when it starts derailing topics on a regular basis it becomes very annoying.  ::)

Maybe it's time FD set up a separate forum for all the Trump fanboys to gather and vent their spleen and leave the rest of the place for proper conversation?

Not against a 'Corrupt' Government Dnarever.

John Smith wrote on Dec 5^th, 2022 at 6:51pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 7:14pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 4:21pm: freediver wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 4:15pm: It's a rather odd mistake to make, don't you think? As opposed to a normal mistake? Merely an overzealous public servant who was likely on a power trip. If you deal with govt departments often enough you'll find there is nothing odd about it at all. So you think just one person was responsible? No, I think they most likely ran a poll on newspoll before deciding.

Are you afraid to think about what you are saying John?

A sure sign of the autocratic form of government we have seen developing in the West for years now... ever since those with little to no real life experience and little true earth mother knowledge of Australia started running the show for their own advantage and that of their chosen special interest groups.

As I said - it's always good to know that I am not alone in my views, and that some of the 'world's greatest thinkers' - in discussion of the malaises of the West and why democracy is failing and failing to produce the goods - say the same things.

Essentially - a government department has NO right to dictate to anyone that they cannot use a picture etc of a naturally occurring object.... there is NO copyright on natural formations no matter how much they kow-tow to the ooga-booga of some 'special spiritual connection' etc ... and they can stick it where the sun don't shine!!

Take Back The National Parks!!!  Drain The Swamps and kick out all the Wokers .... they and their department and the government that rules them, do not OWN OUR national parks.... adios and good-bye, assholes...

Power To the People!!!

Auf wiedersehen, assholes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tohqt9nrghE

Dnarever wrote on Dec 5^th, 2022 at 7:07pm:

I like it. without the fence. Was that meant to be Ayres rock, I thought it was a potato. I assumed that FD was having a shot at Dutton.

Here's the original picture, I got the OzPolitic name from The Wayback Machine (went back about 10 years) which showed the forum logo without the fence and the virus added.

I took the fence from the current logo at the top of the forum.

The second image could be the same Hills Hoist from a different angle - looks like it but I can't be 100% sure.

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Jasin wrote on Dec 5^th, 2022 at 7:10pm:

Careful FreeDiver. You do realise that the Aboriginal and Islamic cultures are 'Portals' to Africa. The Stone of Mecca and the Monolith Uluru are much the same to its people's who hold them sacred. If they have the Copyright on Uluru, let alone this country - then it's best get permission, no? Afterall, British/American influence on this country is only here by default. When they pack up and go - where will you be? Will you go back to where you came from 'culturally'? You wanna pass GO and collect your $200 here? Then you got to make a Sacrifice and pay your way. Until then. Bend the knee. I predict you'll remove your OzPolitic 'signage' soon. ;)

Oh, I predict he doesn't.

I predict he'll chase JS around instead.

Freeeeedom, innit.

Carl D wrote on Dec 5^th, 2022 at 11:47pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 5th, 2022 at 7:07pm: I like it. without the fence. Was that meant to be Ayres rock, I thought it was a potato. I assumed that FD was having a shot at Dutton. Here's the original picture, I got the OzPolitic name from The Wayback Machine (went back about 10 years) which showed the forum logo without the fence and the virus added. I took the fence from the current logo at the top of the forum. The second image could be the same Hills Hoist from a different angle - looks like it but I can't be 100% sure.

Add a few VB cans, Carl, and you've captured the very quintessence of good old Terra Australis.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/plan-to-ban-photos-of-mt-warning-for-tourism-and-business-slammed/news-story

Plan to ban photos of Mt Warning for tourism and business slammed

In the wake of a controversial attempt to ban images of Uluru - even drawings in cartoons - questions are being raised about strict new rules being imposed on Mt Warning in NSW.

A ban on using images of the iconic North Coast Mt Warning mountain for tourism or business purposes – under a new Aboriginal management plan - should not go ahead, says One Nation MP Mark Latham.

Speaking after a federal government department ordered a Melbourne newspaper cartoonist to remove a cartoon of Uluru last weekend under “cultural” grounds, Mr Latham said it was “ridiculous” that image restrictions were being proposed for NSW national parks.

The Perrottet Government has given control of the formerly public Wollumbin National Park and Mt Warning to an Aboriginal consulting group, who have banned public access, and even claimed that females going on the land would make people sick.

Environment Minister James Griffin said “this step recognises the importance of protecting its cultural value” when announcing the changes, which are detailed on the website of National Parks and Wildlife.

But under the new Aboriginal group plan, the public is banned from using images of the park “for tourism or business promotion” or “advertising purposes”.

A view of Wollumbin National Park - Mount Warning - which was an iconic hiking location until the Perrottet Government gave control to an Indigenous consulting group who have banned the public.

It even states that use of the images of the mountain had encouraged people to climb it and this had “destroyed” traditional law and custom.
In the case of Uluru, formerly known as Ayers Rock, Herald Sun cartoonist Mark Knight was astonished to be told last week that he was not allowed to use the rock in an editorial cartoon and required a permit.

Mount Warning offers spectacular views of the east coast and is the first site in mainland Australia to see the sunrise - but even using images of the famed mountain by local businesses or for tourism are set to be banned.

Mount Warning offers spectacular views of the east coast and is the first site in mainland Australia to see the sunrise - but even using images of the famed mountain by local businesses or for tourism are set to be banned.

Parks Australia said that even a drawing the landmark Uluru was not allowed under its “commercialisation of their Indigenous Cultural Intellectual Property” – until the paper engaged lawyers and the bureaucrats backed down.

“The Herald Sun incident shows that what was formerly public property is now at risk of being appropriated and controlled by sectional interests in ways the public finds bizarre,” Mr Latham said.

“There’s no reason why national parks and state reserves should be under the control of Aboriginal groups who have never made any land rights claims to these sites.

“Given the nature of the parks, it’s not clear what special Indigenous affinity or use they have.

“They should be fully public assets available for open public use, without ridiculous restrictions like permission to use images.”

One Nation leader in NSW Mark Latham has raised questions about the public bans on Mt Warning. Picture: Sam Ruttyn

Local businesses have used images of Mount Warning in the past - but won’t be allowed under new rules - Mount Warning Honey took out five prizes at the Sydney Royal Easter Show in 2016.

North Coast Indigenous woman Stella Wheildon, who is collating evidence for an international humans rights case highlighting the lack of women’s access rights to the mountain, said Uluru and Wollumbin have very different legal tenure/transfers systems, so could not be compared.

But she said there is “no precedent for copyright for a mountain image”.
“It appears to be a misuse/misinterpretation of cultural and intellectual copyright moral rights legislation, but again there is no basis for copyrighting a mountain’s image,” she said.

A spokeswoman for Minister Griffin said the government had not imposed, nor intended to impose, restrictions on Wollumbin images.

Mr Griffin gave that answer to Mr Latham when quizzed in parliament about the image ban - but also added in his official answer last month that: “The Aboriginal Place Management Plan includes a request by the Aboriginal community that images taken within the Wollumbin Aboriginal Place are not used for tourism or advertising purposes.”

A community protest group will demonstrate against the public bans on January 14 at Murwillumbah.

Right to Climb advocate and bushwalker Marc Hendrickx is calling for an inquiry by the NSW Ombudsman into the decision and the National Parks and Wildlife’s handling of the issue.

“The notion that an image of a natural feature can be owned and controlled by a particular group is ridiculous and tantamount to censoring awe and wonder,” he said.

MORE tragic time and money wasting left wing woke nonsense!

They only ban Political Australians. ;)

Government backs down on cowardly attempt to gag cartoonist  ..

Tovariches!  Let us make this the beginning of the turning of the tide ... the draining of the swamp ... the casting out of the garbage ..... the dismantling of the Towers of Babel that have become what were once your government departments.. bring them to heel... whip them into place...

Vote 1 - Grappler Party!  We ARE The People!!

Perhaps it should be renamed Mohammed Rock,..

Setanta wrote on Dec 12^th, 2022 at 6:23pm:

Perhaps it should be renamed Mohammed Rock,..

Very good............................ ridiculous - nobody owns a natural feature that has been around for millions of years before the first human ever set eyes on it - it was in a NATIONAL PARK for that very reason, and no government or department has any right to give away our national parks that they hold in trust to any body set on locking it off and charging us to use our own property.

If this was a conglomerate of LNP mates who were being handed a national park to rip cash out of the public while doing nothing to improve facilities etc, you would all scream the house down.... but because it's whining Abos?  You are as silent as the grave your country will soon be in if you allow this insanity to continue.

Setanta wrote on Dec 12^th, 2022 at 6:23pm:

Perhaps it should be renamed Mohammed Rock,..

Gee. You're not far from the target there Set.

Both Mohommedism and Aboriginal cultures are Portals to Africa for their respective Regions.
Moslems hold the Stone of Mecca sacred,
as do Aborigines with Uluru.

...maybe people should be happy strolling around Uluru like Moslems in Mecca?