The Voice is a crazy idea - dividing citizens according to their Race is morally wrong and the sort of crap Hitler pulled.

Australians are claiming Aboriginality which is crazy and we do not know if it is authentic other than a DNA test.

So according to the Voice some Australians are more equal than others and get special rights and privileges than non Aboriginal - which is already the case now - but it will be enshrined in the Constitution and mean we get ATSIC on steroids.

Only the crazy will vote yes for this lunacy.

I will never drink the Kool-Aid

Only a total Whackadoodle would vote yes for this bollocks

Giving a Voice to Stone Age savages who rape and murder (present tense) children and who in recent times ate babies.

Boris wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 10:06am:

Only a total Whackadoodle would vote yes for this bollocks Giving a Voice to Stone Age savages who rape and murder (present tense) children and who in recent times ate babies.

The Trump family?   :-/

Boris wrote on Dec 4^th, 2022 at 8:05am:

When they have found a small family tribe to be attacked, they try to stay near their camp in the evening. Nothing having happened to cause apprehension during the day, the family sits comparatively secure round the camp fire. Early in the morning, before sunrise, a noise is suddenly heard and the family wakes up in a fright. T he black man’s highly-wrought fancy always makes him imagine that his enemies are far more numerous than they are in reality. Each one tries to save his life as best he can ; resistance being out of the question, there is no gallant defence of women and children. Each one has to look after h im self; and it is generally worst for the old individuals, who are killed and eaten. A woman is as a rule splendid booty ; if she be young her life is generally spared, but if she be old she is first ravished and then killed and eaten. T he natives of Northern Queensland and of m any other parts of Australia are cannibals. My people never made any secret of this, and in the evenings it was the leading topic of their conversation, which finally both disgusted and irritated me. The greatest delicacy known to the Australian native is human flesh.

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Boris wrote on Dec 4^th, 2022 at 8:07am:

Mr. White has informed me that the natives south of the Carpentarian Gulf also are cannibals to some extent. They never kill anybody for the purpose of eating him, but the women eat those who die a natural death ; near Moreton Bay the dead are also eaten, and by their own relatives. In Western Queensland, at Westlands station on Thompson river, a woman belonging to a tribe of civilised blacks gave birth to a so-called half-caste child— that is, the offspring of a black mother and a white father. Such half-breeds are not as a rule much liked, and are therefore usually killed by the blacks who are in the first stages of civilisation. In this instance the blacks had indeed been in long intercourse with white people, and still the child was killed. It was permitted to live about three weeks, but one day one of the men put his hand round its neck and held it up till it was choked to death. Thereupon it was roasted on the fire and distributed among those present, and eaten most greedily. Many of the white people at the station were witnesses of this event. It is not known whether the mother in this instance ate any of the flesh of her child or not.

Boris wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 7:59am:

The Voice is a crazy idea - ...

Not a big Keith Urban fan?

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Boris wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 7:59am:

The Voice is a crazy idea - dividing citizens according to their Race is morally wrong and the sort of crap Hitler pulled. Australians are claiming Aboriginality which is crazy and we do not know if it is authentic other than a DNA test. So according to the Voice some Australians are more equal than others and get special rights and privileges than non Aboriginal - which is already the case now - but it will be enshrined in the Constitution and mean we get ATSIC on steroids. Only the crazy will vote yes for this lunacy.

What's your alternative?

Is it still engaging the military to commit genocide, or can you bring something not batshit smacking crazy and racist to the table?


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I will never drink the Kool-Aid

I can think of some kool-aid that would be perfect for you to drink.

Problem solved.

You are batshit crazy

dividing citizens according to their Race is morally wrong and the sort of crap Hitler pulled.

Stone Age Savages

the late Dr C.G. von Brandenstein, who learnt at least four Pilbara languages, told me once that in hard times, dead infants would routinely go ‘into the pot’.


Carl-Georg Christoph Freiherr von Brandenstein (10 October 1909 – 8 January 2005) was a German linguist who took up the study of Australian Aboriginal languages.




Boris wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 10:42am:

Boris wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 8:07am: Mr. White has informed me that the natives south of the Carpentarian Gulf also are cannibals to some extent. They never kill anybody for the purpose of eating him, but the women eat those who die a natural death ; near Moreton Bay the dead are also eaten, and by their own relatives. In Western Queensland, at Westlands station on Thompson river, a woman belonging to a tribe of civilised blacks gave birth to a so-called half-caste child— that is, the offspring of a black mother and a white father. Such half-breeds are not as a rule much liked, and are therefore usually killed by the blacks who are in the first stages of civilisation. In this instance the blacks had indeed been in long intercourse with white people, and still the child was killed. It was permitted to live about three weeks, but one day one of the men put his hand round its neck and held it up till it was choked to death. Thereupon it was roasted on the fire and distributed among those present, and eaten most greedily. Many of the white people at the station were witnesses of this event. It is not known whether the mother in this instance ate any of the flesh of her child or not.

Boris wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 12:05pm:

You are batshit crazy dividing citizens according to their Race is morally wrong and the sort of crap Hitler pulled. Stone Age Savages Boris wrote on Dec 9th, 2022 at 10:42am: Boris wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 8:07am: Mr. White has informed me that the natives south of the Carpentarian Gulf also are cannibals to some extent. They never kill anybody for the purpose of eating him, but the women eat those who die a natural death ; near Moreton Bay the dead are also eaten, and by their own relatives. In Western Queensland, at Westlands station on Thompson river, a woman belonging to a tribe of civilised blacks gave birth to a so-called half-caste child— that is, the offspring of a black mother and a white father. Such half-breeds are not as a rule much liked, and are therefore usually killed by the blacks who are in the first stages of civilisation. In this instance the blacks had indeed been in long intercourse with white people, and still the child was killed. It was permitted to live about three weeks, but one day one of the men put his hand round its neck and held it up till it was choked to death. Thereupon it was roasted on the fire and distributed among those present, and eaten most greedily. Many of the white people at the station were witnesses of this event. It is not known whether the mother in this instance ate any of the flesh of her child or not.

You've yet to highlight how it does what you're claiming.

It's as if you went into this with your mind made up and are looking for an excuse to justify it, and this is the best you could come up with!?

The thing is, you're so concerned about "dividing citizens" etc, but you have made it clear with your posts that you don't even consider them to be equal and instead sub humans.

You've doing it in the very post I quoted...

People preaching as you do is the exact reason they need the voice, the recognition, and a pathway to reconciliation.

If you, and those like you, weren't such racists sacks of poo, calling for them to be killed in the streets etc, it would negate a lot, but not all, of the need for the voice in the first place.

Your excuse to justify your racism is negated by your own actions and rhetoric.

You don't care about them, you're not concerned about them, you just don't feel them worthy of anything, let alone assistance or equality, and would prefer them gone.

You want us to believe you're worried about dividing the citizens when you don't even consider them as equals to begin with?

Surely you're having a lend?  You can't honestly expect us to fall for this bullshit?

Boris wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 10:06am:

Only a total Whackadoodle would vote yes for this bollocks Giving a Voice to Stone Age savages who rape and murder (present tense) children and who in recent times ate babies.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png

Evidence, Matty?   Where is your evidence?  No where of course.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 12:00pm:

Boris wrote on Dec 9th, 2022 at 7:59am: The Voice is a crazy idea - dividing citizens according to their Race is morally wrong and the sort of crap Hitler pulled. Australians are claiming Aboriginality which is crazy and we do not know if it is authentic other than a DNA test. So according to the Voice some Australians are more equal than others and get special rights and privileges than non Aboriginal - which is already the case now - but it will be enshrined in the Constitution and mean we get ATSIC on steroids. Only the crazy will vote yes for this lunacy. What's your alternative? Is it still engaging the military to commit genocide, or can you bring something not batshit smacking crazy and racist to the table? Quote: I will never drink the Kool-Aid I can think of some kool-aid that would be perfect for you to drink. Problem solved.

Where's that happening in Australia? ::)

You need a big sip.

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 12:26pm:

Boris wrote on Dec 9th, 2022 at 12:05pm: You are batshit crazy dividing citizens according to their Race is morally wrong and the sort of crap Hitler pulled. Stone Age Savages Boris wrote on Dec 9th, 2022 at 10:42am: Boris wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 8:07am: Mr. White has informed me that the natives south of the Carpentarian Gulf also are cannibals to some extent. They never kill anybody for the purpose of eating him, but the women eat those who die a natural death ; near Moreton Bay the dead are also eaten, and by their own relatives. In Western Queensland, at Westlands station on Thompson river, a woman belonging to a tribe of civilised blacks gave birth to a so-called half-caste child— that is, the offspring of a black mother and a white father. Such half-breeds are not as a rule much liked, and are therefore usually killed by the blacks who are in the first stages of civilisation. In this instance the blacks had indeed been in long intercourse with white people, and still the child was killed. It was permitted to live about three weeks, but one day one of the men put his hand round its neck and held it up till it was choked to death. Thereupon it was roasted on the fire and distributed among those present, and eaten most greedily. Many of the white people at the station were witnesses of this event. It is not known whether the mother in this instance ate any of the flesh of her child or not. You've yet to highlight how it does what you're claiming. It's as if you went into this with your mind made up and are looking for an excuse to justify it, and this is the best you could come up with!? The thing is, you're so concerned about "dividing citizens" etc, but you have made it clear with your posts that you don't even consider them to be equal and instead sub humans. You've doing it in the very post I quoted... People preaching as you do is the exact reason they need the voice, the recognition, and a pathway to reconciliation. If you, and those like you, weren't such racists sacks of poo, calling for them to be killed in the streets etc, it would negate a lot, but not all, of the need for the voice in the first place. Your excuse to justify your racism is negated by your own actions and rhetoric. You don't care about them, you're not concerned about them, you just don't feel them worthy of anything, let alone assistance or equality, and would prefer them gone. You want us to believe you're worried about dividing the citizens when you don't even consider them as equals to begin with? Surely you're having a lend?  You can't honestly expect us to fall for this bullshit?

There's the bs in one. That's not happening at all.

The "voice" is the bullshit.

They already have ample voice. To say otherwise is a total woke wank.

Are you a woke wanker?

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 12:26pm:

Boris wrote on Dec 9th, 2022 at 12:05pm: You are batshit crazy dividing citizens according to their Race is morally wrong and the sort of crap Hitler pulled. Stone Age Savages Boris wrote on Dec 9th, 2022 at 10:42am: Boris wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 8:07am: Mr. White has informed me that the natives south of the Carpentarian Gulf also are cannibals to some extent. They never kill anybody for the purpose of eating him, but the women eat those who die a natural death ; near Moreton Bay the dead are also eaten, and by their own relatives. In Western Queensland, at Westlands station on Thompson river, a woman belonging to a tribe of civilised blacks gave birth to a so-called half-caste child— that is, the offspring of a black mother and a white father. Such half-breeds are not as a rule much liked, and are therefore usually killed by the blacks who are in the first stages of civilisation. In this instance the blacks had indeed been in long intercourse with white people, and still the child was killed. It was permitted to live about three weeks, but one day one of the men put his hand round its neck and held it up till it was choked to death. Thereupon it was roasted on the fire and distributed among those present, and eaten most greedily. Many of the white people at the station were witnesses of this event. It is not known whether the mother in this instance ate any of the flesh of her child or not. You've yet to highlight how it does what you're claiming. It's as if you went into this with your mind made up and are looking for an excuse to justify it, and this is the best you could come up with!? The thing is, you're so concerned about "dividing citizens" etc, but you have made it clear with your posts that you don't even consider them to be equal and instead sub humans. You've doing it in the very post I quoted... People preaching as you do is the exact reason they need the voice, the recognition, and a pathway to reconciliation. If you, and those like you, weren't such racists sacks of poo, calling for them to be killed in the streets etc, it would negate a lot, but not all, of the need for the voice in the first place. Your excuse to justify your racism is negated by your own actions and rhetoric. You don't care about them, you're not concerned about them, you just don't feel them worthy of anything, let alone assistance or equality, and would prefer them gone. You want us to believe you're worried about dividing the citizens when you don't even consider them as equals to begin with? Surely you're having a lend?  You can't honestly expect us to fall for this bullshit?

So people who rape, murder and eat children are OK by you?
In the 60's 70's and 80's they still ate children - and possibly still do.

This post demonstrates you are Batshit Crazy

Rape Children all day long

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-08/attempted-sexual-assault-of-child-in-driver-nt-police-search/101749160


NT Police search for man after attempted daylight sexual assault of child at home in Driver

Where does this madness of talking about killing Cheers on the streets come from?  Where do these people come from and where do they live? The ultimate houso ghetto?

As usual they're far more likely to kill one another than anyone else kill them ....

(tyre shredder out) mothra in her ghetto was forced to 'make peace' with her local Indigenous... don't know WTF she did to them .... or was it just fear that drove her to a meek surrender to the ravening mob outside her door?

Most of us are just friendly with everyone and don't need that kind of kow-towing to have peace.

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Not everyone supports the idea of symbolic recognition.  And, in any case, the agenda of the activists is not Constitutional recognition, but power.  They state as much quite openly.  They never talk about ‘truth telling’ and ‘treaty’, the second and third tranches of the Uluru Statement.

What ‘truths’ do we still need to know other than that Aborigines were dispossessed of their sole occupancy of this continent, that they suffered trauma and mistreatment as a result and that there are still vestiges of disadvantage?  These truths are already very well known and constantly aired.  Do they accept the truth of claims that as many as 50,000 Aboriginal children were ‘stolen’ from loving families in order to eradicate the Aboriginal race?  Do they accept the ‘truth’ that 100,000 Aboriginal warriors were killed in ‘colonial wars’?

The ‘truth’ the activists want you to know is that they ‘never ceded sovereignty’ and that Australia was founded illegitimately.  Once we accept that, we then move on to ‘treaty’.  The Voice is the first step in this process, but they never acknowledges this inconvenient truth.

You’re on a hiding to nothing on this one.  Think again and give it  miss.

Every Aboriginal child over the age of 5 in Bourke and Wilcannia has been sexually abused.
This is the real epidemic in Australia.

Boris wrote on Dec 10^th, 2022 at 11:37am:

Every Aboriginal child over the age of 5 in Bourke and Wilcannia has been sexually abused. This is the real epidemic in Australia.

Has Failed Forty Five moved to Bourke?

Boris wrote on Dec 10^th, 2022 at 11:37am:

Every Aboriginal child over the age of 5 in Bourke and Wilcannia has been sexually abused. This is the real epidemic in Australia.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png

Evidence, Matty, evidence.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Boris wrote on Dec 10^th, 2022 at 6:57am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 9th, 2022 at 12:26pm: Boris wrote on Dec 9th, 2022 at 12:05pm: You are batshit crazy dividing citizens according to their Race is morally wrong and the sort of crap Hitler pulled. Stone Age Savages Boris wrote on Dec 9th, 2022 at 10:42am: Boris wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 8:07am: Mr. White has informed me that the natives south of the Carpentarian Gulf also are cannibals to some extent. They never kill anybody for the purpose of eating him, but the women eat those who die a natural death ; near Moreton Bay the dead are also eaten, and by their own relatives. In Western Queensland, at Westlands station on Thompson river, a woman belonging to a tribe of civilised blacks gave birth to a so-called half-caste child— that is, the offspring of a black mother and a white father. Such half-breeds are not as a rule much liked, and are therefore usually killed by the blacks who are in the first stages of civilisation. In this instance the blacks had indeed been in long intercourse with white people, and still the child was killed. It was permitted to live about three weeks, but one day one of the men put his hand round its neck and held it up till it was choked to death. Thereupon it was roasted on the fire and distributed among those present, and eaten most greedily. Many of the white people at the station were witnesses of this event. It is not known whether the mother in this instance ate any of the flesh of her child or not. You've yet to highlight how it does what you're claiming. It's as if you went into this with your mind made up and are looking for an excuse to justify it, and this is the best you could come up with!? The thing is, you're so concerned about "dividing citizens" etc, but you have made it clear with your posts that you don't even consider them to be equal and instead sub humans. You've doing it in the very post I quoted... People preaching as you do is the exact reason they need the voice, the recognition, and a pathway to reconciliation. If you, and those like you, weren't such racists sacks of poo, calling for them to be killed in the streets etc, it would negate a lot, but not all, of the need for the voice in the first place. Your excuse to justify your racism is negated by your own actions and rhetoric. You don't care about them, you're not concerned about them, you just don't feel them worthy of anything, let alone assistance or equality, and would prefer them gone. You want us to believe you're worried about dividing the citizens when you don't even consider them as equals to begin with? Surely you're having a lend?  You can't honestly expect us to fall for this bullshit? So people who rape, murder and eat children are OK by you? In the 60's 70's and 80's they still ate children - and possibly still do.

Evidence, Matty, evidence.  Other than your Racist mumblings.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Boris wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 7:59am:

The Voice is a crazy idea - dividing citizens according to their Race is morally wrong

You're free to farrk off back to mother Russia whenever you like.

John Smith wrote on Dec 10^th, 2022 at 8:33pm:

Boris wrote on Dec 9th, 2022 at 7:59am: The Voice is a crazy idea - dividing citizens according to their Race is morally wrong You're free to farrk off back to mother Russia whenever you like.

Nah - he left that dump because he couldn't accept that the Voice accorded to party members was vastly more than that of the people... but remember that way back to Lenin, the view was that 'the people' referred to and in need of boosting in life etc, were HIS class - the middle class bordering on upper ... and the ordinary folk were just cattle in the fields to be disposed and disposed of at the whim of the projected state.

Sounds to me that he knows what he's talking about.... did you have an Abo to dinner recently?

Gnads wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 7:18pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 9th, 2022 at 12:26pm: Boris wrote on Dec 9th, 2022 at 12:05pm: You are batshit crazy dividing citizens according to their Race is morally wrong and the sort of crap Hitler pulled. Stone Age Savages Boris wrote on Dec 9th, 2022 at 10:42am: Boris wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 8:07am: Mr. White has informed me that the natives south of the Carpentarian Gulf also are cannibals to some extent. They never kill anybody for the purpose of eating him, but the women eat those who die a natural death ; near Moreton Bay the dead are also eaten, and by their own relatives. In Western Queensland, at Westlands station on Thompson river, a woman belonging to a tribe of civilised blacks gave birth to a so-called half-caste child— that is, the offspring of a black mother and a white father. Such half-breeds are not as a rule much liked, and are therefore usually killed by the blacks who are in the first stages of civilisation. In this instance the blacks had indeed been in long intercourse with white people, and still the child was killed. It was permitted to live about three weeks, but one day one of the men put his hand round its neck and held it up till it was choked to death. Thereupon it was roasted on the fire and distributed among those present, and eaten most greedily. Many of the white people at the station were witnesses of this event. It is not known whether the mother in this instance ate any of the flesh of her child or not. You've yet to highlight how it does what you're claiming. It's as if you went into this with your mind made up and are looking for an excuse to justify it, and this is the best you could come up with!? The thing is, you're so concerned about "dividing citizens" etc, but you have made it clear with your posts that you don't even consider them to be equal and instead sub humans. You've doing it in the very post I quoted... People preaching as you do is the exact reason they need the voice, the recognition, and a pathway to reconciliation. If you, and those like you, weren't such racists sacks of poo, calling for them to be killed in the streets etc, it would negate a lot, but not all, of the need for the voice in the first place. Your excuse to justify your racism is negated by your own actions and rhetoric. You don't care about them, you're not concerned about them, you just don't feel them worthy of anything, let alone assistance or equality, and would prefer them gone. You want us to believe you're worried about dividing the citizens when you don't even consider them as equals to begin with? Surely you're having a lend?  You can't honestly expect us to fall for this bullshit? There's the bs in one. That's not happening at all.

Sadly, plenty of people on here have called for the army to head in and shoot all the Indigenous Australians.


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The "voice" is the bullshit. They already have ample voice. To say otherwise is a total woke wank. Are you a woke wanker?

I'd rather be a woke wanker than support further genocide of our indigenous people.

See, you and those like you, claiming all this child rape, cannibalism and rampant abuse etc, let's entertain the notion for a moment that all of that is true, I support the idea of the Voice to help bring awareness to the issues they face in their communities that lead to these outcomes in the hopes of providing assistance to get them out of it, to stop these things happening.

Y'all seem to be so outraged by all these things happening and use that outrage as justification against the voice, but what do you offer in its place to help those victims, the women and children, and help the communities rise above these issues?

And if another of you claim sending the army in to shoot them all again is the answer...  Just cut that poo out...

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10^th, 2022 at 1:10pm:

Boris wrote on Dec 10th, 2022 at 11:37am: Every Aboriginal child over the age of 5 in Bourke and Wilcannia has been sexually abused. This is the real epidemic in Australia. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Evidence, Matty, evidence.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Child abuse and mistreatment in Aboriginal communities are endemic and worsening by the year. Here’s a few snapshots:

Rates of hospitalisation for neglect and abandonment among indigenous children have been put at thirty to eighty times higher than for the non-indigenous population.
More than 12,000 Aboriginal children have been removed and are in care, making up a third of all Australian children in care.
One in nineteen Aboriginal children is in care, ten times the non-indigenous rate.
In Queensland, one in every 2.2 Aboriginal children is known to Child Safety, and this is expected to increase to every second child being known to Child Safety this fiscal year. In 2007–08, only one in 4.6 Aboriginal children was known to Child Safety.
Yet under-reporting of the sexual abuse of Aboriginal children may be nearly 90 per cent.

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:20am:

Gnads wrote on Dec 9th, 2022 at 7:18pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 9th, 2022 at 12:26pm: Boris wrote on Dec 9th, 2022 at 12:05pm: You are batshit crazy dividing citizens according to their Race is morally wrong and the sort of crap Hitler pulled. Stone Age Savages Boris wrote on Dec 9th, 2022 at 10:42am: Boris wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 8:07am: Mr. White has informed me that the natives south of the Carpentarian Gulf also are cannibals to some extent. They never kill anybody for the purpose of eating him, but the women eat those who die a natural death ; near Moreton Bay the dead are also eaten, and by their own relatives. In Western Queensland, at Westlands station on Thompson river, a woman belonging to a tribe of civilised blacks gave birth to a so-called half-caste child— that is, the offspring of a black mother and a white father. Such half-breeds are not as a rule much liked, and are therefore usually killed by the blacks who are in the first stages of civilisation. In this instance the blacks had indeed been in long intercourse with white people, and still the child was killed. It was permitted to live about three weeks, but one day one of the men put his hand round its neck and held it up till it was choked to death. Thereupon it was roasted on the fire and distributed among those present, and eaten most greedily. Many of the white people at the station were witnesses of this event. It is not known whether the mother in this instance ate any of the flesh of her child or not. You've yet to highlight how it does what you're claiming. It's as if you went into this with your mind made up and are looking for an excuse to justify it, and this is the best you could come up with!? The thing is, you're so concerned about "dividing citizens" etc, but you have made it clear with your posts that you don't even consider them to be equal and instead sub humans. You've doing it in the very post I quoted... People preaching as you do is the exact reason they need the voice, the recognition, and a pathway to reconciliation. If you, and those like you, weren't such racists sacks of poo, calling for them to be killed in the streets etc, it would negate a lot, but not all, of the need for the voice in the first place. Your excuse to justify your racism is negated by your own actions and rhetoric. You don't care about them, you're not concerned about them, you just don't feel them worthy of anything, let alone assistance or equality, and would prefer them gone. You want us to believe you're worried about dividing the citizens when you don't even consider them as equals to begin with? Surely you're having a lend?  You can't honestly expect us to fall for this bullshit? There's the bs in one. That's not happening at all. Sadly, plenty of people on here have called for the army to head in and shoot all the Indigenous Australians. Quote: The "voice" is the bullshit. They already have ample voice. To say otherwise is a total woke wank. Are you a woke wanker? I'd rather be a woke wanker than support further genocide of our indigenous people. See, you and those like you, claiming all this child rape, cannibalism and rampant abuse etc, let's entertain the notion for a moment that all of that is true, I support the idea of the Voice to help bring awareness to the issues they face in their communities that lead to these outcomes in the hopes of providing assistance to get them out of it, to stop these things happening. Y'all seem to be so outraged by all these things happening and use that outrage as justification against the voice, but what do you offer in its place to help those victims, the women and children, and help the communities rise above these issues? And if another of you claim sending the army in to shoot them all again is the answer...  Just cut that poo out...

WOW a whole lot of stupid to unpack here.

Where to begin?


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I'd rather be a woke wanker than support further genocide of our indigenous people.

What genocide? they get helped and given stuff for free and get every opportunity


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See, you and those like you, claiming all this child rape, cannibalism and rampant abuse etc, let's entertain the notion for a moment that all of that is true, I support the idea of the Voice to help bring awareness to the issues they face in their communities that lead to these outcomes in the hopes of providing assistance to get them out of it, to stop these things happening. Y'all seem to be so outraged by all these things happening and use that outrage as justification against the voice, but what do you offer in its place to help those victims, the women and children, and help the communities rise above these issues?

It is all true and you have no "awareness" and they are pandered and billions get spent on then and the voice means 3 things
1 the constitutional change
2 truth telling
3 treaty

And this change to the constitution will be a nightmare if it happens and the other 2 things will make Australia unlivable

You are a total fool - and ignorant of reality

Well - they kill more of their own than anyone else ever did....... and there was never a genocide here - there was a series of retaliatory raids and suppression raids on people who staged a terror war by killing women and children.  Those who co-existed peacefully still have descendants who can claim Goat Island etc.... no unbroken possession - no claim - got it?

They have a voice in parliament and the same rights to stand for office in any government area and at any level.

Move on from this absurd idea.

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:38am:

What genocide?

You calling for the army to shoot them all?  Since that seems to be your solution to their problems, I would rather support the Voice than that.


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It is all true and you have no "awareness" and they are pandered and billions get spent on then and the voice means 3 things 1 the constitutional change 2 truth telling 3 treaty And this change to the constitution will be a nightmare if it happens and the other 2 things will make Australia unlivable You are a total fool - and ignorant of reality

You see them all as bad as their worst elements.

Talk about ignorant of reality...

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:52am:

Well - they kill more of their own than anyone else ever did....... and there was never a genocide here - there was a series of retaliatory raids and suppression raids on people who staged a terror war by killing women and children.  Those who co-existed peacefully still have descendants who can claim Goat Island etc.... no unbroken possession - no claim - got it? They have a voice in parliament and the same rights to stand for office in any government area and at any level. Move on from this absurd idea.

Given that you were calling for killing 90% of them because maybe 10% are ok, I don't hink I'll take your advice about genocide either...

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:53am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:52am: Well - they kill more of their own than anyone else ever did....... and there was never a genocide here - there was a series of retaliatory raids and suppression raids on people who staged a terror war by killing women and children.  Those who co-existed peacefully still have descendants who can claim Goat Island etc.... no unbroken possession - no claim - got it? They have a voice in parliament and the same rights to stand for office in any government area and at any level. Move on from this absurd idea. Given that you were calling for killing 90% of them because maybe 10% are ok, I don't hink I'll take your advice about genocide either...

Now you've completely lost the plot.... you're making up fantasies now.... typical ...

Go back to school.   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:56am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:53am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:52am: Well - they kill more of their own than anyone else ever did....... and there was never a genocide here - there was a series of retaliatory raids and suppression raids on people who staged a terror war by killing women and children.  Those who co-existed peacefully still have descendants who can claim Goat Island etc.... no unbroken possession - no claim - got it? They have a voice in parliament and the same rights to stand for office in any government area and at any level. Move on from this absurd idea. Given that you were calling for killing 90% of them because maybe 10% are ok, I don't hink I'll take your advice about genocide either... Now you've completely lost the plot.... you're making up fantasies now.... typical ... Go back to school.   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 10^th, 2022 at 4:21pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 11:34am: Boris wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 11:31am: SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 11:25am: Boris wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 11:24am: The Alice is out of all control Do you care about there people in terror there? Even in that group you took it from, did you bother looking at the comments? Very few people support bringing in the Army and nobody is calling for them to start shooting like you are. You've taken a headline and gone full-blown "this means we can finally kill them all!"... Go live there Can you at least pretend you don't want to kill them all? Nah - 10% might be worth saving.........

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/JubilantFamousFallowdeer-size_restricted.gif

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:00am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:56am: SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:53am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:52am: Well - they kill more of their own than anyone else ever did....... and there was never a genocide here - there was a series of retaliatory raids and suppression raids on people who staged a terror war by killing women and children.  Those who co-existed peacefully still have descendants who can claim Goat Island etc.... no unbroken possession - no claim - got it? They have a voice in parliament and the same rights to stand for office in any government area and at any level. Move on from this absurd idea. Given that you were calling for killing 90% of them because maybe 10% are ok, I don't hink I'll take your advice about genocide either... Now you've completely lost the plot.... you're making up fantasies now.... typical ... Go back to school.   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 4:21pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 11:34am: Boris wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 11:31am: SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 11:25am: Boris wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 11:24am: The Alice is out of all control Do you care about there people in terror there? Even in that group you took it from, did you bother looking at the comments? Very few people support bringing in the Army and nobody is calling for them to start shooting like you are. You've taken a headline and gone full-blown "this means we can finally kill them all!"... Go live there Can you at least pretend you don't want to kill them all? Nah - 10% might be worth saving......... https://thumbs.gfycat.com/JubilantFamousFallowdeer-size_restricted.gif

Don't get sarcasm and wit, do you?  Go find an echo chamber to play in.  Not a word in there about doing anything - just a comment on the probability of excellent ones... merely an estimate... no suggestion of doing anything.....

Learn English.

P.S.  If you're one of 'them', let's make that 10% less one ...................

Now then - what was wrong with the Army going in to help with the epidemic of venereal diseases in children, bandage up broken women, plug spear wounds in blokes, etc?  Are you absolutely sure you want to refuse all government assistance there, bucko/champ?

Considering the CPC, I'd say cutting off all government assistance would be a boon to the economy and the money could go to more deserving things.

Roo stew fine with you?  Like a nice Homeland where you can party in the old traditional ways all day and night?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:03am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 9:00am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:56am: SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:53am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:52am: Well - they kill more of their own than anyone else ever did....... and there was never a genocide here - there was a series of retaliatory raids and suppression raids on people who staged a terror war by killing women and children.  Those who co-existed peacefully still have descendants who can claim Goat Island etc.... no unbroken possession - no claim - got it? They have a voice in parliament and the same rights to stand for office in any government area and at any level. Move on from this absurd idea. Given that you were calling for killing 90% of them because maybe 10% are ok, I don't hink I'll take your advice about genocide either... Now you've completely lost the plot.... you're making up fantasies now.... typical ... Go back to school.   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 4:21pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 11:34am: Boris wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 11:31am: SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 11:25am: Boris wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 11:24am: The Alice is out of all control Do you care about there people in terror there? Even in that group you took it from, did you bother looking at the comments? Very few people support bringing in the Army and nobody is calling for them to start shooting like you are. You've taken a headline and gone full-blown "this means we can finally kill them all!"... Go live there Can you at least pretend you don't want to kill them all? Nah - 10% might be worth saving......... https://thumbs.gfycat.com/JubilantFamousFallowdeer-size_restricted.gif Don't get sarcasm and wit, do you?  Go find an echo chamber to play in.  Not a word in there about doing anything - just a comment on the probability of excellent ones... merely an estimate... no suggestion of doing anything..... Learn English. P.S.  If you're one of 'them', let's make that 10% less one ...................

Oh, so you did call for it, but it was a joke.  Ok. Coolio.

All is forgiven.

(In case you don't get humour, I was being sarcastic)

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Don't get sarcasm and wit, do you?  Go find an echo chamber to play in. 
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Not everyone comes here for the same reason you do

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:07am:

Now then

You'd like to just gloss over what just happened wouldn't you...

So here we go again - yet more rampant anti-Abo racism.

And yet more delusional cannibalism bullshit from Bore-arse, to boot.

What a surprise - I'm shocked! (Not).

Tell me - are there ANY minority groups you AREN'T prejudiced against?

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John Smith wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:21am:

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Kat wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:21am:

So here we go again - yet more rampant anti-Abo racism. And yet more delusional cannibalism bullshit from Bore-arse, to boot. What a surprise - I'm shocked! (Not). Tell me - are there ANY minority groups you AREN'T prejudiced against?

I tell the truth

You have never lived in the NT

Everything they get given to them they turn to crap

Kat wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:21am:

So here we go again - yet more rampant anti-Abo racism. And yet more delusional cannibalism bullshit from Bore-arse, to boot. What a surprise - I'm shocked! (Not). Tell me - are there ANY minority groups you AREN'T prejudiced against?

Do they not rape children?

they do

Do they not murder people?

They do

Were they stone age cannibals?

Yes they were and possibly still are.

You do not have the first clue

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:38am:

Kat wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 9:21am: So here we go again - yet more rampant anti-Abo racism. And yet more delusional cannibalism bullshit from Bore-arse, to boot. What a surprise - I'm shocked! (Not). Tell me - are there ANY minority groups you AREN'T prejudiced against? Do they not rape children? they do Do they not murder people? They do Were they stone age cannibals? Yes they were and possibly still are. You do not have the first clue

Do you know the definition of racism?

The draft question is: “Do you support an alteration to the Constitution that establishes an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice?” This question is deeply flawed.

The referendum question is missing one key word: democratic.

The Indigenous Voice referendum is highly contentious, and rightly so. But even those conservatives and constitutionalists who reject the very idea of the Voice should support the proper wording of the Voice question. The proper question to put to the Australian electorate is: “Do you support an alteration to the Constitution that establishes a democratic Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice?”

The fundamental problem with the Voice may be that it creates two classes of citizen, but if that’s what Australians want (and the referendum will test this) then that’s what Australians will get.

But a more important practical problem with the Voice referendum question is that the voice it envisages will not be democratically-constituted. And when it really comes down to it, does any Australian, indigenous or otherwise, want to hear an anti-democratic Indigenous Voice?

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:41am:

Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 9:38am: Kat wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 9:21am: So here we go again - yet more rampant anti-Abo racism. And yet more delusional cannibalism bullshit from Bore-arse, to boot. What a surprise - I'm shocked! (Not). Tell me - are there ANY minority groups you AREN'T prejudiced against? Do they not rape children? they do Do they not murder people? They do Were they stone age cannibals? Yes they were and possibly still are. You do not have the first clue Do you know the definition of racism?

Do you understand Reality?

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:43am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 9:41am: Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 9:38am: Kat wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 9:21am: So here we go again - yet more rampant anti-Abo racism. And yet more delusional cannibalism bullshit from Bore-arse, to boot. What a surprise - I'm shocked! (Not). Tell me - are there ANY minority groups you AREN'T prejudiced against? Do they not rape children? they do Do they not murder people? They do Were they stone age cannibals? Yes they were and possibly still are. You do not have the first clue Do you know the definition of racism? Do you understand Reality?

Do you?

You highlight some terrible stats, let's not beat around the bush, it's not great, but you then claim that those stats are indicative of the entirety of Indigenous communities...

That's not reality, that's prejudice.

And you're doing this from the point of view of a justification against helping them.

You're not even pretending you want to help.

You're highlighting their issues as justification for NOT helping.

Again, that's prejudice.

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:55am:

Do you understand Reality?

Do you?[/quote]
Yes I do actually.


SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:55am:

You highlight some terrible stats, let's not beat around the bush, it's not great, but you then claim that those stats are indicative of the entirety of Indigenous communities...

Yes after years living in the NT and working for the Health Department as a first responder and going to the communities and seeing countless victims of terrible violence - with my own eyes. It's everywhere and indicative of the majority yes.


SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:55am:

That's not reality, that's prejudice.

Is it? I thought it was accepting reality. I never want to see another raped baby as long as I live.


SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:55am:

And you're doing this from the point of view of a justification against helping them.

I am reporting what I witnessed.


SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:55am:

You're not even pretending you want to help. You're highlighting their issues as justification for NOT helping. Again, that's prejudice.

I know what I have seen - and yes I help them and will continue

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 10:04am:

I am reporting what I witnessed.

Oh, I didn't realise you'd visited every indigenous community Australia wide, my bad.

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:43am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 9:41am: Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 9:38am: Kat wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 9:21am: So here we go again - yet more rampant anti-Abo racism. And yet more delusional cannibalism bullshit from Bore-arse, to boot. What a surprise - I'm shocked! (Not). Tell me - are there ANY minority groups you AREN'T prejudiced against? Do they not rape children? they do Do they not murder people? They do Were they stone age cannibals? Yes they were and possibly still are. You do not have the first clue Do you know the definition of racism? Do you understand Reality?

the reality is that anytime you dont like it here you are free to farrkk off back to where you came from

I'm an Aussie

My Great Great Grandfather came to South Australia in 1860 as a Cornish Mine Captain for the Moonta Copper Mine and his daughter - my Great Grandmother was born there in Moonta and her son my Grandfather fought in 2 World Wars and was torpedoed at Gallipoli.

My father was in No 10 Squadron RAAF and was shot down 3 times.
My Uncle was a Sergeant Major in the Coldstream Guards at Monte Cassino where he killed Germans with his fists, boots, bayonet and entrenching tool going up hill all the way.

My half brother was killed with his mother by the Nazis in WWII.

So every ANZAC Day is held to commemorate my Grandfather, Uncle and Father and my Brother.

So Australia is my country and I do not need some half arsed savage singing Nagga Nagga to welcome me to my own Country where we try to civilise Child raping Cannibals.

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 10:15am:

I'm an Aussie My Great Great Grandfather came to South Australia in 1860 as a Cornish Mine Captain for the Moonta Copper Mine and his daughter - my Great Grandmother was born there in Moonta and her son my Grandfather fought in 2 World Wars and was torpedoed at Gallipoli. My father was in No 10 Squadron RAAF and was shot down 3 times. My Uncle was a Sergeant Major in the Coldstream Guards at Monte Cassino where he killed Germans with his fists, boots, bayonet and entrenching tool going up hill all the way. My half brother was killed with his mother by the Nazis in WWII. So every ANZAC Day is held to commemorate my Grandfather, Uncle and Father and my Brother. So Australia is my country and I do not need some half arsed savage singing Nagga Nagga to welcome me to my own Country where we try to civilise Child raping Cannibals.

Oh ok, so you're the descendant of immigrants then?

Well, as the nationalists like you often say, if you don't like it, leave?

I am not a rapist or a cannibal and my people have been here since 1860

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 10:39am:

I am not a rapist or a cannibal and my people have been here since 1860

Still the descendant of immigrants...

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 10:47am:

Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 10:39am: I am not a rapist or a cannibal and my people have been here since 1860 Still the descendant of immigrants...

So are all the Abos.....

I'm going ahead with my land claim.....

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 10:15am:

My Great Great Grandfather came to South Australia in 1860

Wait, how old are you...?  1860 is like 7 generations ago, that's only 4 maybe 5 depending on the count...

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 10:47am:

Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 10:39am: I am not a rapist or a cannibal and my people have been here since 1860 Still the descendant of immigrants...

So are most Aborigines.

John Smith wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 10:06am:

Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 9:43am: SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 9:41am: Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 9:38am: Kat wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 9:21am: So here we go again - yet more rampant anti-Abo racism. And yet more delusional cannibalism bullshit from Bore-arse, to boot. What a surprise - I'm shocked! (Not). Tell me - are there ANY minority groups you AREN'T prejudiced against? Do they not rape children? they do Do they not murder people? They do Were they stone age cannibals? Yes they were and possibly still are. You do not have the first clue Do you know the definition of racism? Do you understand Reality? the reality is that anytime you dont like it here you are free to farrkk off back to where you came from

So are the Abos - on your bark canoe, Jacky-Jacky and start paddling... 

Think I'll go out and find a high spot look at all below and then claim it as my own.... that's the way it's done..... the old Imperial way...... laughable how some Abos can say they can claim all that land there, bro, but when Whartey came along and claimed it - not the same....

;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

That kind of land claim only lasts as long as you can hold that land..... but as a society we have grown past that and now nobody.... NOBODY ... can just lay claim to vast swathes of land.

Got it yet?  Or pack your bags .....

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 10:47am:

Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 10:39am: I am not a rapist or a cannibal and my people have been here since 1860 Still the descendant of immigrants...

All humans evolved in Africa so all humans are descendants of Immigrants.

And by that reasoning so is almost everyone in the USA.

Are they not Americans? Am I not Australian equal under the laws?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHKl6ND5Wzo

Quote:

So are the Abos

Only to complete morons

The Voice

1 A vehicle for allocating social & economic resources

2 Not merely advisory but wield veto powers over any Legislation

3 Be impossible to repeal, defund or reform when it goes bad

It will be a significant control over the Parliament destroying Democracy as the Voice is not elected.

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 12:34pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 10:47am: Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 10:39am: I am not a rapist or a cannibal and my people have been here since 1860 Still the descendant of immigrants... All humans evolved in Africa so all humans are descendants of Immigrants. And by that reasoning so is almost everyone in the USA. Are they not Americans? Am I not Australian equal under the laws?

Incidentally, when abut 360,000 Africans were transported to the US - White Slavery was over 1.2M worldwide.... most of it by Muslims, Asians and Africans.... but remember a man named Horse...

Still goes on today - sex slavery in India involves such things as holding a woman's child hostage so she will 'work'.... and do you reckon I would even consider a girl in Thailand probably sold by starving parents into sex slavery? ... not to mention the children ..... nice people the Third World....

I'd rather buy them back out of it and give them their freedom... but you know... what would that do to the paedo trade between the West and the East?  FFS .......

John Smith wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 12:50pm:

Quote: So are the Abos Only to complete morons

They immigrated here..... in waves no less.... same under the skin...

They have the same right to land as anyone else - they can buy it.... I even offered their land claimants a block per family free..... a far better start than any young white or other than Aboriginal man or woman gets these days.  What a start in life - your own land to do with as you choose.... once off and no more ... and NO - you cannot under the law of this land that applies equally to all just claim land like some ancient emperor standing on a hill and waving his troops forward to conquer any who say he can't have it!

Jesus - there was a bloke just recently who was a long-serving member of the AUSTRALIAN Defence Force - and was so proud that his Aboriginal son had just graduated to become an AUSTRALIAN soldier.  No sovereignty problem there, eh?

Anyway - land claims must cease and all the other garbage must cease - be in it or out of it.... on your own steam alone.  If you want to be a bum, dole and nothing else, and if yo want land - PAY FOR IT LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!  It's 2022 - not 1787 ....

Gonna put in my land claim......

John Smith wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 12:50pm:

Quote: So are the Abos Only to complete morons

You have had the Kool Aid

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 12:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 12:50pm: Quote: So are the Abos Only to complete morons They immigrated here..... in waves no less.... same under the skin... Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 12:54pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 12:50pm: [quote]So are the Abos Only to complete morons You have had the Kool Aid

None left,  you drank it all

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 12:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 12:50pm: Quote: So are the Abos Only to complete morons They immigrated here..... in waves no less.... same under the skin...

Like I said,  a moron

John Smith wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 12:58pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 12:52pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 12:50pm: Quote: So are the Abos Only to complete morons They immigrated here..... in waves no less.... same under the skin... Like I said,  a moron

Only a Moron would want this

The Voice

1 A vehicle for allocating social & economic resources

2 Not merely advisory but wield veto powers over any Legislation

3 Be impossible to repeal, defund or reform when it goes bad

It will be a significant control over the Parliament destroying Democracy as the Voice is not elected.

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 1:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 12:58pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 12:52pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 12:50pm: Quote: So are the Abos Only to complete morons They immigrated here..... in waves no less.... same under the skin... Like I said,  a moron Only a Moron would want this The Voice 1 A vehicle for allocating social & economic resources 2 Not merely advisory but wield veto powers over any Legislation 3 Be impossible to repeal, defund or reform when it goes bad It will be a significant control over the Parliament destroying Democracy as the Voice is not elected.

Lucky for everyone then that's just your imagination and not the actual proposal :D

Only a Moron would want this

The Voice

1 A vehicle for allocating social & economic resources

2 Not merely advisory but wield veto powers over any Legislation

3 Be impossible to repeal, defund or reform when it goes bad

It will be a significant control over the Parliament destroying Democracy as the Voice is not elected.

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 10:15am:

I'm an Aussie My Great Great Grandfather came to South Australia in 1860 as a Cornish Mine Captain for the Moonta Copper Mine and his daughter - my Great Grandmother was born there in Moonta and her son my Grandfather fought in 2 World Wars and was torpedoed at Gallipoli. My father was in No 10 Squadron RAAF and was shot down 3 times. My Uncle was a Sergeant Major in the Coldstream Guards at Monte Cassino where he killed Germans with his fists, boots, bayonet and entrenching tool going up hill all the way. My half brother was killed with his mother by the Nazis in WWII. So every ANZAC Day is held to commemorate my Grandfather, Uncle and Father and my Brother. So Australia is my country and I do not need some half arsed savage singing Nagga Nagga to welcome me to my own Country where we try to civilise Child raping Cannibals.

On what ship was he, when he was torpedoed, Matty?

Your characterisation of Indigenous Australians betrays your deep seated Racism, Matty, which renders your views worthless.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Only a Moron would want this

The Voice

1 A vehicle for allocating social & economic resources

2 Not merely advisory but wield veto powers over any Legislation

3 Be impossible to repeal, defund or reform when it goes bad

It will be a significant control over the Parliament destroying Democracy as the Voice is not elected.

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 1:55pm:

Only a Moron would want this The Voice 1 A vehicle for allocating social & economic resources 2 Not merely advisory but wield veto powers over any Legislation 3 Be impossible to repeal, defund or reform when it goes bad It will be a significant control over the Parliament destroying Democracy as the Voice is not elected.

https://youtu.be/jMb-_RTrz1s

Only a Moron would want this

The Voice

1 A vehicle for allocating social & economic resources

2 Not merely advisory but wield veto powers over any Legislation

3 Be impossible to repeal, defund or reform when it goes bad

It will be a significant control over the Parliament destroying Democracy as the Voice is not elected.


it's already happening in NZ with their Stone Age Cannibals

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 1:30pm:

Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 10:15am: I'm an Aussie My Great Great Grandfather came to South Australia in 1860 as a Cornish Mine Captain for the Moonta Copper Mine and his daughter - my Great Grandmother was born there in Moonta and her son my Grandfather fought in 2 World Wars and was torpedoed at Gallipoli. My father was in No 10 Squadron RAAF and was shot down 3 times. My Uncle was a Sergeant Major in the Coldstream Guards at Monte Cassino where he killed Germans with his fists, boots, bayonet and entrenching tool going up hill all the way. My half brother was killed with his mother by the Nazis in WWII. So every ANZAC Day is held to commemorate my Grandfather, Uncle and Father and my Brother. So Australia is my country and I do not need some half arsed savage singing Nagga Nagga to welcome me to my own Country where we try to civilise Child raping Cannibals. On what ship was he, when he was torpedoed, Matty? Your characterisation of Indigenous Australians betrays your deep seated Racism, Matty, which renders your views worthless.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

How does the ship matter?

You just said I am a Subhuman

You are a Nazi

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 2:22pm:

Only a Moron would want this The Voice 1 A vehicle for allocating social & economic resources 2 Not merely advisory but wield veto powers over any Legislation 3 Be impossible to repeal, defund or reform when it goes bad It will be a significant control over the Parliament destroying Democracy as the Voice is not elected. it's already happening in NZ with their Stone Age Cannibals

Nah.  They don't have The Voice.

They can watch it on TVNZ though.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/the-voice-australia

Choice bro   [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Only a Moron would want this

The Voice

1 A vehicle for allocating social & economic resources

2 Not merely advisory but wield veto powers over any Legislation

3 Be impossible to repeal, defund or reform when it goes bad

It will be a significant control over the Parliament destroying Democracy as the Voice is not elected.


it's already happening in NZ with their Stone Age Cannibals

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 2:40pm:

Only a Moron would want this The Voice 1 A vehicle for allocating social & economic resources 2 Not merely advisory but wield veto powers over any Legislation 3 Be impossible to repeal, defund or reform when it goes bad It will be a significant control over the Parliament destroying Democracy as the Voice is not elected. it's already happening in NZ with their Stone Age Cannibals

Nah.  They don't have their own version of The Voice.

They can watch the Australian version on TVNZ though.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/the-voice-australia

Choice bro   [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:20am:

Gnads wrote on Dec 9th, 2022 at 7:18pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 9th, 2022 at 12:26pm: Boris wrote on Dec 9th, 2022 at 12:05pm: You are batshit crazy dividing citizens according to their Race is morally wrong and the sort of crap Hitler pulled. Stone Age Savages Boris wrote on Dec 9th, 2022 at 10:42am: Boris wrote on Dec 4th, 2022 at 8:07am: Mr. White has informed me that the natives south of the Carpentarian Gulf also are cannibals to some extent. They never kill anybody for the purpose of eating him, but the women eat those who die a natural death ; near Moreton Bay the dead are also eaten, and by their own relatives. In Western Queensland, at Westlands station on Thompson river, a woman belonging to a tribe of civilised blacks gave birth to a so-called half-caste child— that is, the offspring of a black mother and a white father. Such half-breeds are not as a rule much liked, and are therefore usually killed by the blacks who are in the first stages of civilisation. In this instance the blacks had indeed been in long intercourse with white people, and still the child was killed. It was permitted to live about three weeks, but one day one of the men put his hand round its neck and held it up till it was choked to death. Thereupon it was roasted on the fire and distributed among those present, and eaten most greedily. Many of the white people at the station were witnesses of this event. It is not known whether the mother in this instance ate any of the flesh of her child or not. You've yet to highlight how it does what you're claiming. It's as if you went into this with your mind made up and are looking for an excuse to justify it, and this is the best you could come up with!? The thing is, you're so concerned about "dividing citizens" etc, but you have made it clear with your posts that you don't even consider them to be equal and instead sub humans. You've doing it in the very post I quoted... People preaching as you do is the exact reason they need the voice, the recognition, and a pathway to reconciliation. If you, and those like you, weren't such racists sacks of poo, calling for them to be killed in the streets etc, it would negate a lot, but not all, of the need for the voice in the first place. Your excuse to justify your racism is negated by your own actions and rhetoric. You don't care about them, you're not concerned about them, you just don't feel them worthy of anything, let alone assistance or equality, and would prefer them gone. You want us to believe you're worried about dividing the citizens when you don't even consider them as equals to begin with? Surely you're having a lend?  You can't honestly expect us to fall for this bullshit? There's the bs in one. That's not happening at all. Sadly, plenty of people on here have called for the army to head in and shoot all the Indigenous Australians. Quote: The "voice" is the bullshit. They already have ample voice. To say otherwise is a total woke wank. Are you a woke wanker? I'd rather be a woke wanker than support further genocide of our indigenous people. See, you and those like you, claiming all this child rape, cannibalism and rampant abuse etc, let's entertain the notion for a moment that all of that is true, I support the idea of the Voice to help bring awareness to the issues they face in their communities that lead to these outcomes in the hopes of providing assistance to get them out of it, to stop these things happening. Y'all seem to be so outraged by all these things happening and use that outrage as justification against the voice, but what do you offer in its place to help those victims, the women and children, and help the communities rise above these issues? And if another of you claim sending the army in to shoot them all again is the answer...  Just cut that poo out...

Rubbish you pathetic woke wanker.

There is no genocide of Aboriginal peoples ... I'm Indigenous - 4th generation.... look up the meaning.

No I've never made the claim about cannibalism but the child rape & sexual abuse in remote communities is as real as you being here.
Not to realise or know that proves you're living in some dreamworld/utopia.

There have been many people/voices in the past & now present(Jacinta Price just one) calling out the real issues.... they are ignored by politicians, vilified by vested interest aboriginal groups & woke wankers like you that actually don't have one blessed clue.

Approx. $34 billion dollars a year is put into programs/funding for Aboriginal communities...to try & stop the rot.

Where have you been? in a cave or under a rock?

It's about time they did something about rising above these issues ... it's 2022 nearly 2023 FFS.

What do I offer? Surely you jest? I paid taxes for 46 years..... I've made my offering .. what about you?

No one did ... show me the evidence you old marsupial drama queen. ::)

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 9:41am:

Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 9:38am: Kat wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 9:21am: So here we go again - yet more rampant anti-Abo racism. And yet more delusional cannibalism bullshit from Bore-arse, to boot. What a surprise - I'm shocked! (Not). Tell me - are there ANY minority groups you AREN'T prejudiced against? Do they not rape children? they do Do they not murder people? They do Were they stone age cannibals? Yes they were and possibly still are. You do not have the first clue Do you know the definition of racism?

Do you? or do you just fling it about whenever someone disagrees  with something you believe about Aboriginals or other minorities?

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 10:05am:

Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 10:04am: I am reporting what I witnessed. Oh, I didn't realise you'd visited every indigenous community Australia wide, my bad.

Have you?

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 10:26am:

Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 10:15am: I'm an Aussie My Great Great Grandfather came to South Australia in 1860 as a Cornish Mine Captain for the Moonta Copper Mine and his daughter - my Great Grandmother was born there in Moonta and her son my Grandfather fought in 2 World Wars and was torpedoed at Gallipoli. My father was in No 10 Squadron RAAF and was shot down 3 times. My Uncle was a Sergeant Major in the Coldstream Guards at Monte Cassino where he killed Germans with his fists, boots, bayonet and entrenching tool going up hill all the way. My half brother was killed with his mother by the Nazis in WWII. So every ANZAC Day is held to commemorate my Grandfather, Uncle and Father and my Brother. So Australia is my country and I do not need some half arsed savage singing Nagga Nagga to welcome me to my own Country where we try to civilise Child raping Cannibals. Oh ok, so you're the descendant of immigrants then? Well, as the nationalists like you often say, if you don't like it, leave?

And so are 3/4s of the total of people that identify as Aboriginal/Islander or of Aboriginal or Islander descent.

You are clueless.

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 10:51am:

Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 10:15am: My Great Great Grandfather came to South Australia in 1860 Wait, how old are you...?  1860 is like 7 generations ago, that's only 4 maybe 5 depending on the count...

Your maths is poo too.

My ancestors came here in the 1850's - I'm 4th generation Australian.

So your guess that 1860's would mean someone is 7th generation is crap.

John Smith wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 12:50pm:

Quote: So are the Abos Only to complete morons

Another DH who knows SFA.

3/4s or more of those who identify as ATSI have ancestors who are non Aboriginal.

John Smith wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 12:58pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 12:52pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 12:50pm: Quote: So are the Abos Only to complete morons They immigrated here..... in waves no less.... same under the skin... Like I said,  a moron

Hypocrite

John Smith wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 1:13pm:

Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 1:04pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 12:58pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 12:52pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 12:50pm: Quote: So are the Abos Only to complete morons They immigrated here..... in waves no less.... same under the skin... Like I said,  a moron Only a Moron would want this The Voice 1 A vehicle for allocating social & economic resources 2 Not merely advisory but wield veto powers over any Legislation 3 Be impossible to repeal, defund or reform when it goes bad It will be a significant control over the Parliament destroying Democracy as the Voice is not elected. Lucky for everyone then that's just your imagination and not the actual proposal :D

You & know one else knows what the "actual" proposal is.

It is completely lacking in detail.

Gnads wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 6:06pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 12:58pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 12:52pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 12:50pm: Quote: So are the Abos Only to complete morons They immigrated here..... in waves no less.... same under the skin... Like I said,  a moron Hypocrite

A wannabe cannibal - he chews on those he thinks are just like him....

Boris wrote on Dec 9^th, 2022 at 7:59am:

The Voice is a crazy idea - dividing citizens according to their Race is morally wrong and the sort of crap Hitler pulled. Australians are claiming Aboriginality which is crazy and we do not know if it is authentic other than a DNA test. So according to the Voice some Australians are more equal than others and get special rights and privileges than non Aboriginal - which is already the case now - but it will be enshrined in the Constitution and mean we get ATSIC on steroids. Only the crazy will vote yes for this lunacy. I will never drink the Kool-Aid

You are either British, American, another culture from overseas or - Aboriginal (all of which are Australian, but none of which are distinctly Australian on its own accord).

So which one are you Boris? British? American?
Or Aborigine?

Nobody here was Australian until 1949.

Before that time everyone was British.

Aborigines are violent and dangerous - stone age savages - with nothing to show after 50,000 years - which I think is a crock - but a fart noise down a hollow log.

That's it - no wheel no permanent structures no civilisation - just a fart noise

They were to busy raping, murdering and eating children to do anything useful other than make fart noises.

They would go hunting - come home with nothing so kill and eat one of the kids.

Wonderful.

The initiations include the children being gang raped for 3 months - put that in the Constitution

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew-Y38Rba54

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me, out comes the Racism, hey, Matty?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Did I say anything not true?


Aborigines are violent and dangerous - stone age savages - with nothing to show after 50,000 years - which I think is a crock - but a fart noise down a hollow log.

That's it - no wheel no permanent structures no civilisation - just a fart noise

They were to busy raping, murdering and eating children to do anything useful other than make fart noises.

They would go hunting - come home with nothing so kill and eat one of the kids.

Wonderful.

The initiations include the children being gang raped for 3 months - put that in the Constitution

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, out comes the Racism, hey, Matty?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Did I say anything not true?


Aborigines are violent and dangerous - stone age savages - with nothing to show after 50,000 years - which I think is a crock - but a fart noise down a hollow log.

That's it - no wheel no permanent structures no civilisation - just a fart noise

They were to busy raping, murdering and eating children to do anything useful other than make fart noises.

They would go hunting - come home with nothing so kill and eat one of the kids.

Wonderful.

The initiations include the children being gang raped for 3 months - put that in the Constitution

Boris wrote on Dec 12^th, 2022 at 2:19pm:

Did I say anything not true? Aborigines are violent and dangerous - stone age savages - with nothing to show after 50,000 years - which I think is a crock - but a fart noise down a hollow log. That's it - no wheel no permanent structures no civilisation - just a fart noise They were to busy raping, murdering and eating children to do anything useful other than make fart noises. They would go hunting - come home with nothing so kill and eat one of the kids. Wonderful. The initiations include the children being gang raped for 3 months - put that in the Constitution

Is that overseen by the Trump Organisation?

Plaintiff was subject to acts of rape, sexual misconduct, criminal sexual acts,
sexual abuse, forcible touching, assault, battery, intentional and reckless infliction of emotionaldistress, duress, false imprisonment, and threats of death and/or serious bodily injury by the
Defendants that took place at several parties during the summer months of 1994. The parties
were held by Defendant Epstein at a New York City residence that was being used by Defendant
Epstein at 9 E. 71st St. in Manhattan. During this period, Plaintiff was a minor of age 13 and
was legally incapable under New York law of consenting to sexual intercourse and the other
sexual contacts detailed herein. NY Penal L § 130.05(3)(a).

Defendant Trump initiated sexual contact with Plaintiff at four different parties.
On the fourth and final sexual encounter with Defendant Trump, Defendant Trump tied Plaintiff
to a bed, exposed himself to Plaintiff, and then proceeded to forcibly rape Plaintiff. During the
course of this savage sexual attack, Plaintiff loudly pleaded with Defendant Trump to stop but
with no effect. Defendant Trump responded to Plaintiff’s pleas by violently striking Plaintiff in
the face with his open hand and screaming that he would do whatever he wanted.

If the Aboriginal Voice to Parliament gets passed in the Referendum as seems likely because Democracy has gone out the window and the Soviet Socialist Tyranny is breaking all the rules to get this bit of excrement imposed on the Constitution, this  will be the end of Australia.

It will not just be a matter of - have another referendum to change it back if it doesn't  work - this is permanent and step one.

Step 2 is "Truth Telling" which means telling lies.

Step 3 is Makarrata - or "Revenge" or "Payback".

Once this is done - it can never be undone and Australia will be like Rhodesia - destroyed by Corruption and tribalism.

Only a complete fool cannot see this.

Quote:

Loud and ‘nasty’ voices may not speak the truth on the Voice Sean Kelly In 2016, two votes, quite close together, helped shape a narrative that has affected the media’s approach to elections ever since. The victories of Brexit and Donald Trump were used to tell many stories. Among them was the idea that the loudest voices on the right may be more significant than they may at first seem; that the polling might be wildly wrong, disguising battalions of “shy Tories”. The lingering effect of this story could be seen in 2022, in another pair of oddly similar elections. Many predicted the midterm elections in the United States would be a bloodbath for Joe Biden. Instead, there was remarkable stability – not a single sitting senator lost, the first time that has happened since 1912. In Victoria, many in the media expected the state election to be close, with Daniel Andrews losing seats. Late last week the final lower house result was called: Labor had in fact gained a seat. It is important to note that in both cases the pollsters were fairly accurate. Certainly, the media prefers certain narratives over others (close contest versus blowout, say), which played a part. But it is hard to avoid the sense that here, as in America, loud and nasty voices somehow managed to convince large swathes of media that they were far more representative of general opinion than they in fact turned out to be. Given this country will, next year, see a major national vote on a matter of historic importance – the referendum on the Indigenous Voice to Parliament – it is worth asking which of the two narratives will influence the media’s approach. Will editors and journalists approach it in the shadow of 2016, believing the loudest voices deserve coverage because they are broadly representative, even if polling suggests otherwise? Or will they take the more recent lesson: that vitriolic opposition from the usual suspects may tell us little that is useful? Because of course there will be vitriolic opposition. Last week marked five years since the same-sex marriage plebiscite. By now, most will remember the result and little more. And most – though not those in the LGBTIQ community – will have forgotten how nasty things became. I cannot do better than quoting arts writer Dee Jefferson, who wrote at the time: “the debate has been as much a debate about homosexuality as it has been about marriage. The hardest part has been realising how much homophobia and hate actually exists.” There was a huge increase in demand for mental health services, and one study afterwards found increased levels of stress, anxiety and depression in the community whose rights were the subject of national debate. Most will have forgotten the foolishness, too – the lame attempts by public figures to jump on every possible hook as a way of gaining relevance. Remember Tony Abbott attacking the NRL for allowing Macklemore to sing a hit song, supporting marriage equality, at the grand final – followed by Peter Dutton suggesting “free speech” implied a second song “against gay marriage” should be played as well? The greater foolishness, though, came about in the way that the actual topic of debate was quickly left behind, in favour of feverish speculation about what might come next. Marriage was not really the issue, “No” campaigners declared. They were fighting to prevent the end of Mother’s Day. From the thinnest of legal pretexts, they argued the real danger was that priests would be punished, and that defending traditional marriage would become illegal. Marriage equality was, said Senator Cory Bernardi, a “rainbow Trojan horse”. On the Voice front, both the Minister for Indigenous Australians, Linda Burney, and Indigenous academic Marcia Langton have recently warned of vitriol. We are in the early days of this new debate; still, the signs are not good. In recent weeks we have seen prominent commentators recycle old, dangerous tropes. One referred to “the Indigenous industry”, with its nasty implication that there is good money to be made out of being Indigenous. Another warned us that the Voice could be filled with people like Lidia Thorpe; it might behave like Noel Pearson. This is the worst type of condescension: you cannot have a Voice because you cannot be trusted to appoint the right type of Indigenous person. And sure enough, the other pattern from the marriage debate has recurred too: such insinuations are accompanied in the public sphere by wild speculation about legal consequences, with rhetoric just as absurdly overdone. The Voice will be a “shadow government”, we have been warned. And “Parliamentary democracy as we have known it will be dead”, we are told. This past weekend marked 30 years since Paul Keating’s landmark Redfern speech, in which he told the truth about our violent history. Another recent anniversary went largely unremarked: it is 25 years since John Howard, on the ABC, held a photocopied map of Australia up to the camera and told viewers that without his intervention native title laws would allow Aboriginal veto over development on 78 per cent of the land mass of Australia. “Now, that is a very simple message.” It was, too – he was telling voters that First Australians were coming for their land. Now we are being fed a similar line: they are coming for our government.

Source

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2022 at 3:42pm:

Quote: Loud and ‘nasty’ voices may not speak the truth on the Voice Sean Kelly Marriage was not really the issue, “No” campaigners declared. They were fighting to prevent the end of Mother’s Day. From the thinnest of legal pretexts, they argued the real danger was that priests would be punished, and that defending traditional marriage would become illegal. Marriage equality was, said Senator Cory Bernardi, a “rainbow Trojan horse”. And how prescient that has proved: parent one, parent two, birthing parent, transsexual men are real women, etc. [Quote] On the Voice front, both the Minister for Indigenous Australians, Linda Burney, and Indigenous academic Marcia Langton have recently warned of vitriol. We are in the early days of this new debate; still, the signs are not good. In recent weeks we have seen prominent commentators recycle old, dangerous tropes. One referred to “the Indigenous industry”, with its nasty implication that there is good money to be made out of being Indigenous. Another warned us that the Voice could be filled with people like Lidia Thorpe; it might behave like Noel Pearson. This is the worst type of condescension: you cannot have a Voice because you cannot be trusted to appoint the right type of Indigenous person. And sure enough, the other pattern from the marriage debate has recurred too: such insinuations are accompanied in the public sphere by wild speculation about legal consequences, with rhetoric just as absurdly overdone. The Voice will be a “shadow government”, we have been warned. And “Parliamentary democracy as we have known it will be dead”, we are told. This past weekend marked 30 years since Paul Keating’s landmark Redfern speech, in which he told the truth about our violent history. Another recent anniversary went largely unremarked: it is 25 years since John Howard, on the ABC, held a photocopied map of Australia up to the camera and told viewers that without his intervention native title laws would allow Aboriginal veto over development on 78 per cent of the land mass of Australia. “Now, that is a very simple message.” It was, too – he was telling voters that First Australians were coming for their land. Now we are being fed a similar line: they are coming for our government.

Emotional blackmail will only hurt the yes vote. Demanding acquiescence without debate - or labelling any opposition 'vitriolic' or 'vicious' will do the same.

The Yes camp needs to demonstrate that the Voice will make a difference, a positive DEMOCRATIC difference, will not divide but unite and it will not overreach and become an unremovable ATSIC.

Emoting and hissing INSTEAD will do no good for the Yes side. You can't bully people into "just do it'.  If it is worth putting it into the Constitution then it is worth spelling out what good it will do and how - as well as how it will do no harm.

Sean Kelly, the author of that SMH article urging yes without debate, was an adviser to Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12^th, 2022 at 3:42pm:

Loud and ‘nasty’ voices may not speak the truth on the Voice Sean Kelly

Lefty logic:

The Uluru Statement from the Heart, signed by only 0.03% of the Indigenous population, demanding constitutionally enshrined identity politics – that’s unifying and representative of the entire Indigenous population.

A democratically elected Senator and Aboriginal woman, representing a Territory with a population that’s almost 30% Indigenous, who has a long-held and well documented belief that ALL Australians are equal – that’s divisive and ignorant. 

Makes sense…

Of course it’s rubbish, and they know it too.

And it didn’t take much for the charade to drop and their true colours to show.

Somehow the Voice has made it acceptable for privileged blokes to attack Aboriginal women over their stance on Indigenous issues – and the lefties are all on board.

I mean, we all knew this would happen.

You can’t oppose a constitutional gravy train for those after taxpayer funded salaries, and not expect a few fireworks – but wow, that was quicker than I was expecting!

We don’t even have details on Albo’s Voice to Parliament and already its backers have sunk to name calling, intimidation tactics and racially motivated abuse to help bully their way to what they want.

When the Nationals stood before Australia and declared our opposition to the Voice, we did so because we knew no unelected body could speak for ALL Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Australians.

How could it? How could a body of 24 people cherry-picked from the nearly 900,000 Indigenous Australians hope to speak for all of them without even consulting them first? It couldn’t.

And every day since that announcement, the Voice proponents have come after me in the media, telling everyone that I don’t speak for them, I don’t represent them, my views aren’t their views.

THANK YOU! YOU’VE MADE MY POINT!

We are not the same! We think differently! We have different views, opinions, beliefs, ideas and plans.

We are not a monolithic people destined to agree on everything!

We vote for leaders who best represent our individual views and we send them to speak those views in the nation’s parliament.

Just like every other Australian.

I know it, you know it, they know it.

That’s why Albo and his Referendum Engagement Group are changing the rules for referendums just in time for their Voice vote.

They’re throwing buckets of taxpayer cash at the Voice, they have the backing and big bucks from woke corporations and sycophants, they’ve played the game to build their Yes campaign, now they’re changing the rules to try and stop the No cause.

It’s undemocratic, cynical and dishonest.

Labor has changed the referendum rules to saturate the country with “education materials” on the Voice.

The Yes campaign will ramp up its bullying, gaslighting and emotional blackmail tactics – anything to get their own spoiled-brat kind of way.

And while we all waste our time and government money on this, nothing gets done to address the REAL problems.

Yours for REAL solutions,


Jacinta Nampijinpa Price





Price is right on every point. Support her. i do.

Frank wrote on Dec 12^th, 2022 at 6:21pm:

The Yes campaign will ramp up its bullying, gaslighting and emotional blackmail tactics – anything to get their own spoiled-brat kind of way.

We certainly need more information before it's put to a vote, nobody is questioning that.

But if that's the "left's" tactics, what about what we've already seen on display from the "right"?

The usual suspects are straight up dehumanising our Indigenous people, claiming they are unworthy not only of the advisory voice to parliament, but anything other than being shot in the street by the army, or, at least 90% of them, and claiming they are ALL, not some criminal element, but ALL Indigenous Australians are murderers, criminals and they ALL rape children.

So, you can shed your tears about the left's tactics, but where is your outrage over the right's?

Gnads wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 6:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 12:50pm: Quote: So are the Abos Only to complete morons Another DH who knows SFA. 3/4s or more of those who identify as ATSI have ancestors who are non Aboriginal.

I'm sure you think you're rant is relevant but most people don't

Gnads wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 6:06pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 12:58pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 12:52pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 12:50pm: Quote: So are the Abos Only to complete morons They immigrated here..... in waves no less.... same under the skin... Like I said,  a moron Hypocrite

Ohh, did diddums get upset  :'( :'(

Gnads wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 6:07pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 1:13pm: Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 1:04pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 12:58pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 12:52pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 12:50pm: Quote: So are the Abos Only to complete morons They immigrated here..... in waves no less.... same under the skin... Like I said,  a moron Only a Moron would want this The Voice 1 A vehicle for allocating social & economic resources 2 Not merely advisory but wield veto powers over any Legislation 3 Be impossible to repeal, defund or reform when it goes bad It will be a significant control over the Parliament destroying Democracy as the Voice is not elected. Lucky for everyone then that's just your imagination and not the actual proposal :D You & know one else knows what the "actual" proposal is. It is completely lacking in detail.

And look at all your 😢😹😿


Just a suggestion,  but perhaps you might want to wait until you see the details before having your hissy fit

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 12^th, 2022 at 7:16pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 12th, 2022 at 6:21pm: The Yes campaign will ramp up its bullying, gaslighting and emotional blackmail tactics – anything to get their own spoiled-brat kind of way. We certainly need more information before it's put to a vote, nobody is questioning that. But if that's the "left's" tactics, what about what we've already seen on display from the "right"? The usual suspects are straight up dehumanising our Indigenous people, claiming they are unworthy not only of the advisory voice to parliament, but anything other than being shot in the street by the army, or, at least 90% of them, and claiming they are ALL, not some criminal element, but ALL Indigenous Australians are murderers, criminals and they ALL rape children. So, you can shed your tears about the left's tactics, but where is your outrage over the right's?

Nobody in the voice debate is saying anything of the sort. Not Price, Mundene, the Nationals, not Albrechtsen, Abbott, Credlin - nobody. You are making up shite, sad sack.

Frank wrote on Dec 12^th, 2022 at 8:47pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 12th, 2022 at 7:16pm: Frank wrote on Dec 12th, 2022 at 6:21pm: The Yes campaign will ramp up its bullying, gaslighting and emotional blackmail tactics – anything to get their own spoiled-brat kind of way. We certainly need more information before it's put to a vote, nobody is questioning that. But if that's the "left's" tactics, what about what we've already seen on display from the "right"? The usual suspects are straight up dehumanising our Indigenous people, claiming they are unworthy not only of the advisory voice to parliament, but anything other than being shot in the street by the army, or, at least 90% of them, and claiming they are ALL, not some criminal element, but ALL Indigenous Australians are murderers, criminals and they ALL rape children. So, you can shed your tears about the left's tactics, but where is your outrage over the right's? Nobody in the voice debate is saying anything of the sort. Not Price, Mundene, the Nationals, not Albrechtsen, Abbott, Credlin - nobody. You are making up shite, sad sack.

I thought you were implying other forums members in your comment, and I did the same.

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 12^th, 2022 at 7:16pm:

The usual suspects are straight up dehumanising our Indigenous people, claiming they are unworthy not only of the advisory voice to parliament, but anything other than being shot in the street by the army, or, at least 90% of them, and claiming they are ALL, not some criminal element, but ALL Indigenous Australians are murderers, criminals and they ALL rape children. So, you can shed your tears about the left's tactics, but where is your outrage over the right's?

All Aboriginal children in the Pilbara have been sexually abused.

All of them.

In the Initiations - they all go through - boys and girls - THEY ARE GANG RAPED FOR 3 MONTHS

I cannot say it any clearer - but you have a major problem with reality.

I have seen raped children as a first responder - it's some thing you NEVER get over

Nowra quotes the indigenous welfare worker Pam Greer who says:

Men are having sex with children, young girls, young boys … It’s a tragic, tragic situation because the children lie awake at night, waiting for it to happen to them, just lie there, waiting. They know it’s coming for them, because it’s happened to everybody. And who are they getting abused by? People who are in positions of power … And what happens? The children get stoned, get drunk, hang themselves, and we all know why.

Aboriginal children are on track to comprise half the Queensland children in care by 2015. The current 40 per cent figure compares with 25 per cent in 2004, a near-doubling in eight years.

Welfare officers use the terms “notification” and “substantiation”. “Notification” means the child appears to need protection from serious harm and does not have a parent able and willing to protect them from the harm. Further investigation can result in “substantiation” involving either remedial in-home measures or placement away from the child’s home.

Carmody says the imbalance of indigenous children in the Queensland child protection system has grown strongly in the past eight years. They are now five times more likely than non-indigenous children to be “notified” for abuse or neglect, six times more likely to be “substantiated” for abuse or neglect, and nine times more likely to be living in out-of-home care.

In Queensland’s discrete indigenous communities, where 10 per cent of the state’s Aborigines live, the child abuse and neglect are far worse and worsening. The communities of Hope Vale, Mapoon and Wujal Wujal had rates of serious harm to children more than twelve times the state average. These appalling rates, Carmody says, had been occurring alongside “extreme poverty” (even with welfare payments?), community and family violence, drunkenness and drugs, non-employment, over-crowding, poor dental and general health, and poor education. Since 2008 state and federal governments have spent $100 million on the Aurukun, Coen, Mossman Gorge and Hope Vale communities, equal to $30,000 per resident. Results in school attendance and violence reduction have been positive, but only half the residents surveyed felt parenting was improving and only a third felt there was less fighting between families.

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Matty, Matty, you poor Racist.  What about the Indigenous who don't live in the Pilbara?  Are they abused as well?  All those kids living in Melbourne, Adelaide, Sydney, are they abused as well?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

No problem say you?


Nowra quotes the indigenous welfare worker Pam Greer who says:

Men are having sex with children, young girls, young boys … It’s a tragic, tragic situation because the children lie awake at night, waiting for it to happen to them, just lie there, waiting. They know it’s coming for them, because it’s happened to everybody. And who are they getting abused by? People who are in positions of power … And what happens? The children get stoned, get drunk, hang themselves, and we all know why.

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 12^th, 2022 at 9:11pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 12th, 2022 at 8:47pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 12th, 2022 at 7:16pm: Frank wrote on Dec 12th, 2022 at 6:21pm: The Yes campaign will ramp up its bullying, gaslighting and emotional blackmail tactics – anything to get their own spoiled-brat kind of way. We certainly need more information before it's put to a vote, nobody is questioning that. But if that's the "left's" tactics, what about what we've already seen on display from the "right"? The usual suspects are straight up dehumanising our Indigenous people, claiming they are unworthy not only of the advisory voice to parliament, but anything other than being shot in the street by the army, or, at least 90% of them, and claiming they are ALL, not some criminal element, but ALL Indigenous Australians are murderers, criminals and they ALL rape children. So, you can shed your tears about the left's tactics, but where is your outrage over the right's? Nobody in the voice debate is saying anything of the sort. Not Price, Mundene, the Nationals, not Albrechtsen, Abbott, Credlin - nobody. You are making up shite, sad sack. I thought you were implying other forums members in your comment, and I did the same.

No.

Pearson is calling opponents rednecks. Langton is warning that opponents are being racist.

Of course forum numpties like Bbwian start and end their agitation for yes by calling everyone else racist. But very legitimate questions are batted away as racist. There is no justification given for including the Voice in the Constitution other than it's the non-racist thing to do. Questions about how it is different from all the existing Aboriginal representations, programs, organisations is ignored.


So when the ONLY argument for Yes is that a No would be racist, people rightly suspect hidden motives and bad faith. If it cannot be openly debated then it is a bad idea that must be defeated.

Boris wrote on Dec 12^th, 2022 at 9:25pm:

No problem say you? Nowra quotes the indigenous welfare worker Pam Greer who says: Men are having sex with children, young girls, young boys … It’s a tragic, tragic situation because the children lie awake at night, waiting for it to happen to them, just lie there, waiting. They know it’s coming for them, because it’s happened to everybody. And who are they getting abused by? People who are in positions of power … And what happens? The children get stoned, get drunk, hang themselves, and we all know why.

https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2013/05/aboriginal-child-abuse-the-royal-commission-cannot-avoid/

Louis Nowra begins his compelling essay Bad Dreaming by describing a conversation he had with an Aboriginal man during a stay at the Alice Springs Hospital, a place notorious for assaults on staff.

The Aboriginal man proudly tells Nowra that he had to rape a 13-year-old girl because she wouldn't say yes. Nowra goes on to recount how some years earlier he struck up a conversation with two Aboriginal men in their 70s who were off to town to buy a toy dinosaur for a 12-year-old girl who had sex with them simultaneously.

What amazes Nowra in both these cases is the men's lack of embarrassment or shame. In the next 90 pages Nowra explores the history of male Aboriginal violence against women and children from the early days of white settlement through to the present. Drawing on official statistics, court records and media reports, he paints a grim, deeply disturbing picture.

Many of the crimes he details are unspeakably violent: babies raped and drowned; a woman bashed, bound and left to die on an ant nest; another doused with petrol and set alight. The list goes on. The problem he sees are the men and a legal system that has twisted itself in knots to understand the unthinkable and the unimaginable.

Nowra, however, is a sympathetic and knowledgeable observer of indigenous culture. As a playwright and author, he has worked with Aboriginal actors, lived in and visited indigenous communities over many years. He writes lucidly and candidly about his experiences with domestic violence in his family and the housing estate where he grew up.

For those who have followed the issue - it is more a national crisis - Nowra's essay is a profound contribution to the debate. While there may not be much new factual material, having it all drawn together in such a sustained, well-crafted, well-argued way makes for powerful reading.

Nowra's account is a print version of the landmark interview Alice Springs crown prosecutor Nanette Rogers gave to Lateline in 2006. As such it may be a more lasting document.

There are those who have argued, and continue to argue, that Aboriginal violence is no different to domestic violence found in mainstream society and that to draw attention to indigenous crimes against women and children is just another form of racism. Nowra rejects this, noting that in Queensland alone indigenous children are up to 45 times more likely than non-indigenous children to be admitted to hospital having been assaulted. "For many Aboriginal children, the only future is an endless repetition of the horrors they have already experienced," he notes.

Part of the reason Nowra gives for penning his unrelenting commentary is a respect and concern for Aboriginal people and a determination to keep the epidemic of violence on the policy screens of decision makers, law makers, indigenous leaders and countless publicly funded pressure groups. Nowra worries that coverage of Aboriginal violence in the mainstream media is sporadic, that it comes in waves with shocking revelations one day and nothing the next. He has a point. Some publications, such as The National Indigenous Times, have largely ducked the issue or even shot the messenger.

The publicity given to indigenous violence sits at odds with the sustained media attention devoted to the stolen generation and Aboriginal deaths in custody. Nowra quotes National Indigenous Council chairwoman Sue Gordon, accusing government agencies of taking a softly-softly approach to child abuse because they are "frightened of creating another stolen generation".

Audrey Bolger, notes Nowra, wrote in her neglected report Aboriginal Women and Violence that the number of murdered Aboriginal women exceeds those of indigenous men who died in custody.

I also suspect that part of the reluctance lies in what Noel Pearson describes as the great divide in the Aboriginal community between those who argue for rights and those who call for greater responsibilities. So much of the indigenous struggle has involved fighting for rights - legal rights, land rights, human rights, rights to royalties - that to acknowledge male violence may subvert the notion of entitlement for past wrongs.

The situation would be helped if, as former ATSIC chief Mick Gooda tells Nowra, more Aboriginal men stood up and said violence is not a part of "our culture".

If this essay has a weakness it is Nowra's need to convince his audience of the problem rather than exploring solutions. Take the perfectly reasonable option, floated by Indigenous Affairs Minister Mal Brough and endorsed bly Nowra, of physically removing men accused of violent crimes from communities.

The resources required to do this are probably way beyond the budget of the Federal and Northern Territory governments, which still treat indigenous affairs as part-time portfolios. Where would these men go? Under what laws would they be held when they have been convicted of no crime? How would the victims who remain in the communities be protected against payback from furious relatives?

There are few simple answers. Alice Springs' jail is already overflowing. What is needed, as Nowra suggests, is a total-solution approach: tougher laws, education, zero tolerance, improved rehabilitation (the present situation is a revolving door) and the removal of children from lethal environments.

Frank wrote on Dec 13^th, 2022 at 3:02pm:

So when the ONLY argument for Yes is that a No would be racist, people rightly suspect hidden motives and bad faith. If it cannot be openly debated then it is a bad idea that must be defeated.

Get your own house in order friend.

You're in no place what so ever to pretend you're on a high horse when the standard of debate around not supporting the voice is as vile and despicable as it is here, and you're condoning it by sooking over people calling it out.

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 13^th, 2022 at 5:27pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 3:02pm: So when the ONLY argument for Yes is that a No would be racist, people rightly suspect hidden motives and bad faith. If it cannot be openly debated then it is a bad idea that must be defeated. Get your own house in order friend. You're in no place what so ever to pretend you're on a high horse when the standard of debate around not supporting the voice is as vile and despicable as it is here, and you're condoning it by sooking over people calling it out.

Show me ONE vile and despicable argument against the Voice in the public, mainstream debate.  There isn't any.  There are questions and educated, legal speculations about unintended (?) consequences of lawfare. You have not provided anything but the usual emoting yourself.


Yet "Marcia Langton warns of risk of ‘nasty, eugenicist’ debate about race ahead of voice referendum"  “It’s unfortunate the Nationals have injected misinformation and vitriol into this debate so early on,” she told ABC Radio National.


Bollocks. There was no vitriol, there was no misinformation. She could have pointed out any if there had been any. She didn't.  Pearson ditto.

What will the Voice achieve that all the other hundreds of organisations and programs couldn't and how will it achieve it?
If such questions are 'sooking' to you then you are talking just as dishonestly and in bad faith as the other 'it's wacist to as question about the voice' numpties.

Frank wrote on Dec 13^th, 2022 at 6:25pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 5:27pm: Frank wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 3:02pm: So when the ONLY argument for Yes is that a No would be racist, people rightly suspect hidden motives and bad faith. If it cannot be openly debated then it is a bad idea that must be defeated. Get your own house in order friend. You're in no place what so ever to pretend you're on a high horse when the standard of debate around not supporting the voice is as vile and despicable as it is here, and you're condoning it by sooking over people calling it out. Show me ONE vile and despicable argument against the Voice in the public, mainstream debate.  There isn't any.  There are questions and educated, legal speculations about unintended (?) consequences of lawfare. You have not provided anything but the usual emoting yourself. Yet "Marcia Langton warns of risk of ‘nasty, eugenicist’ debate about race ahead of voice referendum"  “It’s unfortunate the Nationals have injected misinformation and vitriol into this debate so early on,” she told ABC Radio National. Bollocks. There was no vitriol, there was no misinformation. She could have pointed out any if there had been any. She didn't.  Pearson ditto. What will the Voice achieve that all the other hundreds of organisations and programs couldn't and how will it achieve it? If such questions are 'sooking' to you then you are talking just as dishonestly and in bad faith as the other 'it's wacist to as question about the voice' numpties.

This is, technically, a public forum...

Nobody is stupid enough to put their name to these claims, not even Boris, it's all done anonymously here.

He, those like him, they're all cowards.

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 13^th, 2022 at 6:53pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 6:25pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 5:27pm: Frank wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 3:02pm: So when the ONLY argument for Yes is that a No would be racist, people rightly suspect hidden motives and bad faith. If it cannot be openly debated then it is a bad idea that must be defeated. Get your own house in order friend. You're in no place what so ever to pretend you're on a high horse when the standard of debate around not supporting the voice is as vile and despicable as it is here, and you're condoning it by sooking over people calling it out. Show me ONE vile and despicable argument against the Voice in the public, mainstream debate.  There isn't any.  There are questions and educated, legal speculations about unintended (?) consequences of lawfare. You have not provided anything but the usual emoting yourself. Yet "Marcia Langton warns of risk of ‘nasty, eugenicist’ debate about race ahead of voice referendum"  “It’s unfortunate the Nationals have injected misinformation and vitriol into this debate so early on,” she told ABC Radio National. Bollocks. There was no vitriol, there was no misinformation. She could have pointed out any if there had been any. She didn't.  Pearson ditto. What will the Voice achieve that all the other hundreds of organisations and programs couldn't and how will it achieve it? If such questions are 'sooking' to you then you are talking just as dishonestly and in bad faith as the other 'it's wacist to as question about the voice' numpties. This is, technically, a public forum... Nobody is stupid enough to put their name to these claims, not even Boris, it's all done anonymously here. He, those like him, they're all cowards.

That ranks amongst the most vapid and insulting posts put up here about the Voice.... that failure waiting to happen..... you are part of the problem not the solution and give ample reason why nobody should vote for such a stupid idea.

If they are cowards for posting on an anonymous forum - what are you?

Aborigines etc already have all the voice they need same as everyone else.

They already have a higher percentage of representation in Parliament than their percentage representation in the community.

They are already enshrined in the constitution as Australians - same as everyone else.

They also have lobby groups, special representative groups with access to government, and over-representation in the press.

They have the support of Labor, the Greens, the majority of Independents, as well as a number of those on the 'right' side of Parliament.

What the actual powers and functions of any Special Voice are intended to be has not begun to be addressed.  The wording is vague, perhaps deliberately so.

Such a voice is racist, discriminatory and exclusionist.

It is not clear if any 'voice' has political voting power in Parliament.

Such a voice body would be an ATSIC or similar that could never be abolished or stood down for corruption etc.

It will achieve nothing that cannot be achieved without it, and at huge and unnecessary cost in money and disturbance of the democratic process

The intent of 'Aboriginal activists' is not to view this as the end result, but as the stepping stone towards the creation of mini-states throughout Australia, all bound by treaty to the Australian Government and funded by the taxpayer and any relevant business wishing to operate there.

It is not simply about 'Aboriginal issues'.  Any claim or demand by one group has direct effects on every member of Australia.  Similar to 'women's issues' and such these do not exist in a vacuum.

Depending on the model, it could mean permanent seats in Parliament for people who are only voted on by that one group (or groups) – those claiming Aboriginal descent.

To have a separate voice elected only by Aboriginals would mean that the current Aboriginal elected representatives are superfluous and should be stood down.

The claim to have 'never ceded sovereignty', means that elected Aborigines are ineligible to be chosen or to sit in Parliament.

44. Any person who –

(i.) Is under any acknowledgement of allegiance, obedience, or adherence to a foreign power, or is a subject or a citizen or entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or citizen of a foreign power:

shall be incapable of being chosen or of sitting as a senator or a member of the House of Representatives.

Show me ONE vile and despicable argument against the Voice in that list below..... I dare you.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 13^th, 2022 at 8:38pm:

Show me ONE vile and despicable argument against the Voice in that list below..... I dare you.

Easy-peasy, Graps.  Here.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 13^th, 2022 at 6:53pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 6:25pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 5:27pm: Frank wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 3:02pm: So when the ONLY argument for Yes is that a No would be racist, people rightly suspect hidden motives and bad faith. If it cannot be openly debated then it is a bad idea that must be defeated. Get your own house in order friend. You're in no place what so ever to pretend you're on a high horse when the standard of debate around not supporting the voice is as vile and despicable as it is here, and you're condoning it by sooking over people calling it out. Show me ONE vile and despicable argument against the Voice in the public, mainstream debate.  There isn't any.  There are questions and educated, legal speculations about unintended (?) consequences of lawfare. You have not provided anything but the usual emoting yourself. Yet "Marcia Langton warns of risk of ‘nasty, eugenicist’ debate about race ahead of voice referendum"  “It’s unfortunate the Nationals have injected misinformation and vitriol into this debate so early on,” she told ABC Radio National. Bollocks. There was no vitriol, there was no misinformation. She could have pointed out any if there had been any. She didn't.  Pearson ditto. What will the Voice achieve that all the other hundreds of organisations and programs couldn't and how will it achieve it? If such questions are 'sooking' to you then you are talking just as dishonestly and in bad faith as the other 'it's wacist to as question about the voice' numpties. This is, technically, a public forum... Nobody is stupid enough to put their name to these claims, not even Boris, it's all done anonymously here. He, those like him, they're all cowards.

Unlike you, eh??   

You are being dishonest.  Do you REALLY think that accusations of redneckery and racism by Pearson, Langton and other Yes proponents are referencing views on this forum, and not Price, Mundene, the Nationals, Albrechtsen etc and other public, identifiable voices asking questions?

Of course not. You ARE just being dishonest and shifty.

Sad, kangaroo. Try honesty next time. Or will that hurt your cause?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 13^th, 2022 at 8:35pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 6:53pm: Frank wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 6:25pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 5:27pm: Frank wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 3:02pm: So when the ONLY argument for Yes is that a No would be racist, people rightly suspect hidden motives and bad faith. If it cannot be openly debated then it is a bad idea that must be defeated. Get your own house in order friend. You're in no place what so ever to pretend you're on a high horse when the standard of debate around not supporting the voice is as vile and despicable as it is here, and you're condoning it by sooking over people calling it out. Show me ONE vile and despicable argument against the Voice in the public, mainstream debate.  There isn't any.  There are questions and educated, legal speculations about unintended (?) consequences of lawfare. You have not provided anything but the usual emoting yourself. Yet "Marcia Langton warns of risk of ‘nasty, eugenicist’ debate about race ahead of voice referendum"  “It’s unfortunate the Nationals have injected misinformation and vitriol into this debate so early on,” she told ABC Radio National. Bollocks. There was no vitriol, there was no misinformation. She could have pointed out any if there had been any. She didn't.  Pearson ditto. What will the Voice achieve that all the other hundreds of organisations and programs couldn't and how will it achieve it? If such questions are 'sooking' to you then you are talking just as dishonestly and in bad faith as the other 'it's wacist to as question about the voice' numpties. This is, technically, a public forum... Nobody is stupid enough to put their name to these claims, not even Boris, it's all done anonymously here. He, those like him, they're all cowards. That ranks amongst the most vapid and insulting posts put up here about the Voice.... that failure waiting to happen..... you are part of the problem not the solution and give ample reason why nobody should vote for such a stupid idea. If they are cowards for posting on an anonymous forum - what are you?

I would gladly put my name to my position in any public venue, just not here because of the level of crazy I've witnessed, and attempts to dox me in the past.

My current stand, in case it needs reiterating, is that I don't support the voice with the information we have at hand, which is very little, which the Government have made clear.

The Referendum is not today, tomorrow or next week.

There needs to be a public forum where the aims and goal of the voice, the details on how it will work, need to be put to the public and understood.  The Government have promised this and I eagerly await it.

At that time, I am happy to weigh in again, informed, and share my opinion and how I'm going to vote.

Until then, when I see racist shitbags saying the voice will give Indigenous Australians dominion and control over everyone else in the country or that they're not worthy of representation because they subhuman savages who all, every single one of them rape and murder children and should be shot and killed in the streets, I'm going to speak out against it.

When that vile, horrid hate speech goes unchecked it festers in the echo chambers, such as this place, condoned by the moderation team and site owner, it can lead to offline extremism which costs lives.

If they won't do anything about it, I will at least, for the time I'm willing to waste here, fight back against these insecure little bitch babies trying to improve their own standing in their tiny little pea-brained heads by discriminating against others as if that has any sort of impact on them.

Nah, bugger them, and bugger you if you defend their ilk.

That last comment is really for anyone, as for Grappler, you are one of them, so you can bugger off and die at your leasure.

Are you familiar with the crime statistics of the NT?

Playwright and author Louis Nowra concurs: “Despite local variations, there is a consistent pattern of Aboriginal men’s treatment of women that was harsh, sexually aggressive (gang-rape for instance) and , in our term, misogynist. Given its pervasive nature across the whole of Australia, we can say that it was ancient and long-lasting.”

Nowra quotes Walter Roth (1861-1933) a doctor, anthropologist and Chief Protector of Aborigines in Queensland. Roth described at the turn of the previous century how, when a Pitta-Pitta girl first showed signs of puberty, "several men would drag her into the bush and forcibly enlarge the vaginal orifice by tearing it downwards with the first three fingers wound round and round with opossum string. Other men come forward from all directions, and the struggling victim has to submit in rotation to promiscuous coition with all the ‘bucks’ present.”

Even worse was his description of practices around Glenormiston:

"A group of men, with cooperation from old women, ambush a young woman, and pin her so an old man can slit up the shrieking girl’s perineum with a stone knife, followed by sweeping three fingers round the inside of the virginal orifice. “She is next compelled to undergo copulation with all the bucks present; again the same night, and a third time, on the following morning."

In Birdsville, a hardwood stick two feet long with a crude life-sized penis carving at the top, was used to tear the hymen and posterior vaginal wall.

“In the Tully area, a very young man would give his betrothed to an old man to sleep with her and train her for him. The idea was that the elder would ‘make the little child’s genitalia develop all the more speedily’. There was no restriction on age or social status at which the bride would be delivered up. As Roth observed, ‘It is of no uncommon occurrence to see an individual carrying on his shoulder his little child-wife who is perhaps too tired to toddle any further.”

Accounts from the missionary era are daunting.

In 1905 the local telegraph operator at Fitzroy River reported that a five-year-old half-caste girl, Polly “was out with the old woman, Mary Ann, when a bush black took her away for two nights during which time the blacks here said he made use of her. Such actions as that of Polly and the men are very common among the natives.”
Anglican lay missionary Mary Bennett in 1934 testified, “The practice to which I refer is that of intercision of the girls at the age of puberty. The vagina is cut with glass by the old men, and that involves a great deal of suffering…I remember my old Aboriginal nurse speak with horror of the suffering which she had been made to undergo.”
A practice as bad as female genital mutilation is still inflicted on hundreds of boys annually – involuntary sub-incision, the slitting open of the male urethra.
The controversy continues into the current period.

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 13^th, 2022 at 8:48pm:

I would gladly put my name to my position in any public venue, just not here because of the level of crazy I've witnessed, and attempts to dox me in the past. My current stand, in case it needs reiterating, is that I don't support the voice with the information we have at hand, which is very little, which the Government have made clear. The Referendum is not today, tomorrow or next week. There needs to be a public forum where the aims and goal of the voice, the details on how it will work, need to be put to the public and understood.  The Government have promised this and I eagerly await it. At that time, I am happy to weigh in again, informed, and share my opinion and how I'm going to vote. Until then, when I see racist shitbags saying the voice will give Indigenous Australians dominion and control over everyone else in the country or that they're not worthy of representation because they subhuman savages who all, every single one of them rape and murder children and should be shot and killed in the streets, I'm going to speak out against it. When that vile, horrid hate speech goes unchecked it festers in the echo chambers, such as this place, condoned by the moderation team and site owner, it can lead to offline extremism which costs lives. If they won't do anything about it, I will at least, for the time I'm willing to waste here, fight back against these insecure little bitch babies trying to improve their own standing in their tiny little pea-brained heads by discriminating against others as if that has any sort of impact on them. Nah, bugger them, and bugger you if you defend their ilk. That last comment is really for anyone, as for Grappler, you are one of them, so you can bugger off and die at your leasure.

That's all you said that makes any sense at all..  you seriously need to grow up or you won't get to old age....  so you can bugger off and die at your leisure.

Peter Sutton finds it distressing that in north and central Australia, relatives of small children “cruel” them by inflicting pain to make the child angry and violent, even from six months old. He believes this is a tradition dating from earliest times when aggression needed to be instilled in children.

NOWRA WROTE his book “Bad Dreaming” after a spell in Alice Springs hospital in 2005, when he saw numerous Aboriginal women and young girls with severe injuries from domestic violence. He visited outback communities and found them astonishingly brutal:

“Some of the women’s faces ended up looking as though an incompetent butcher had conducted plastic surgery with a hammer and saw. The fear in the women’s eyes reminded me of dogs whipped into cringing submission.”

In contemporary Australia, polygamy and traditions of promised-brides continue in Arnhem Land and other remote areas. Until recently, the judiciary was lenient in such cases involving forced under-age sex. Jarrett writes,

“There are Aboriginal men who still claim these modern young girls as their promised possession, and have cars, guns, outstations and kin to help them secure and punish these resistant girls, well away from public purview. ..A man’s traditional sense of entitlement, and use of violence to enforce it, can still triumph over the emancipation of a young Aboriginal woman’s mind.”

In 2004 at Yarralin near Katherine, a 55-year-old married man physically and sexually assaulted his 14-year-old promised bride for two days while she pleaded she was too young for sex. In August, 2005, in an under-the-tree session, Justice Brian Martin noted the cultural context, and gave the man a one-month sentence suspended. On appeal the sentence was increased to three years and a defence appeal to the High Court was lost. Justice Martin later admitted he had been too lenient.

In 2002 at Maningrida, Jackie Pascoe Jamilmira, a 50-year-old wife killer, had forced sex on a 15-year-old promised bride, for whom he had given presents to the ‘bride’s’ parents. He then fired a shotgun into the air to warn off the girls’ family members. Justice John Gallop of the NT Supreme Court sentenced him to 24 hours gaol for unlawful sex, saying the matter should never have come to court. Pascoe, he said, was exercising his conjugal rights in traditional society and the girl ‘knew what was expected of her. It’s surprising to me [that the defendant] was charged at all’.

The North Australian Aboriginal Legal Aid Service relied on expert anthropological evidence to argue that promised marriages were common and morally correct under Aboriginal law, and supported his application to the High Court.

Now answer to that list of reason why NOT for any 'voice' - before you bugger off and die at your leisure.

Show us you've got the balls and the mental ability.

Frank wrote on Dec 13^th, 2022 at 8:46pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 6:53pm: Frank wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 6:25pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 5:27pm: Frank wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 3:02pm: So when the ONLY argument for Yes is that a No would be racist, people rightly suspect hidden motives and bad faith. If it cannot be openly debated then it is a bad idea that must be defeated. Get your own house in order friend. You're in no place what so ever to pretend you're on a high horse when the standard of debate around not supporting the voice is as vile and despicable as it is here, and you're condoning it by sooking over people calling it out. Show me ONE vile and despicable argument against the Voice in the public, mainstream debate.  There isn't any.  There are questions and educated, legal speculations about unintended (?) consequences of lawfare. You have not provided anything but the usual emoting yourself. Yet "Marcia Langton warns of risk of ‘nasty, eugenicist’ debate about race ahead of voice referendum"  “It’s unfortunate the Nationals have injected misinformation and vitriol into this debate so early on,” she told ABC Radio National. Bollocks. There was no vitriol, there was no misinformation. She could have pointed out any if there had been any. She didn't.  Pearson ditto. What will the Voice achieve that all the other hundreds of organisations and programs couldn't and how will it achieve it? If such questions are 'sooking' to you then you are talking just as dishonestly and in bad faith as the other 'it's wacist to as question about the voice' numpties. This is, technically, a public forum... Nobody is stupid enough to put their name to these claims, not even Boris, it's all done anonymously here. He, those like him, they're all cowards. Unlike you, eh??    You are being dishonest.  Do you REALLY think that accusations of redneckery and racism by Pearson, Langton and other Yes proponents are referencing views on this forum, and not Price, Mundene, the Nationals, Albrechtsen etc and other public, identifiable voices asking questions

I've not had the time to look at their claims, which is why I've not made any comments about them and only those people I mentioned on this forum.


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Of course not. You ARE just being dishonest and shifty. Sad, kangaroo. Try honesty next time. Or will that hurt your cause?

The problem with your demands of honesty is that they're meaningless coming from someone like you.

I have been honest.

I'm not interested in the debate on the Voice vote yet since the Government has yet to detail it or put forward a date for the Referendum.

What I can't stand by and let slide is racist front bottoms, and racist mods, championing genocide or trying to paint all Indigenous Australians as child rapists and murders as their arguments against the voice, as if they're sub-human savages, or lying that it will give them control over all Australians.

It's lunacy that needs to stop, or at least get pushback.

I never said this was coming from the people you've highlighted.

I've not seen their arguments, but even if they are racist, IF, it would be nothing compared to what is being normalised within this hell hole.

Boris wrote on Dec 13^th, 2022 at 8:55pm:

Peter Sutton finds it distressing that in north and central Australia, relatives of small children “cruel” them by inflicting pain to make the child angry and violent, even from six months old. He believes this is a tradition dating from earliest times when aggression needed to be instilled in children. NOWRA WROTE his book “Bad Dreaming” after a spell in Alice Springs hospital in 2005, when he saw numerous Aboriginal women and young girls with severe injuries from domestic violence. He visited outback communities and found them astonishingly brutal: “Some of the women’s faces ended up looking as though an incompetent butcher had conducted plastic surgery with a hammer and saw. The fear in the women’s eyes reminded me of dogs whipped into cringing submission.” In contemporary Australia, polygamy and traditions of promised-brides continue in Arnhem Land and other remote areas. Until recently, the judiciary was lenient in such cases involving forced under-age sex. Jarrett writes, “There are Aboriginal men who still claim these modern young girls as their promised possession, and have cars, guns, outstations and kin to help them secure and punish these resistant girls, well away from public purview. ..A man’s traditional sense of entitlement, and use of violence to enforce it, can still triumph over the emancipation of a young Aboriginal woman’s mind.” In 2004 at Yarralin near Katherine, a 55-year-old married man physically and sexually assaulted his 14-year-old promised bride for two days while she pleaded she was too young for sex. In August, 2005, in an under-the-tree session, Justice Brian Martin noted the cultural context, and gave the man a one-month sentence suspended. On appeal the sentence was increased to three years and a defence appeal to the High Court was lost. Justice Martin later admitted he had been too lenient. In 2002 at Maningrida, Jackie Pascoe Jamilmira, a 50-year-old wife killer, had forced sex on a 15-year-old promised bride, for whom he had given presents to the ‘bride’s’ parents. He then fired a shotgun into the air to warn off the girls’ family members. Justice John Gallop of the NT Supreme Court sentenced him to 24 hours gaol for unlawful sex, saying the matter should never have come to court. Pascoe, he said, was exercising his conjugal rights in traditional society and the girl ‘knew what was expected of her. It’s surprising to me [that the defendant] was charged at all’. The North Australian Aboriginal Legal Aid Service relied on expert anthropological evidence to argue that promised marriages were common and morally correct under Aboriginal law, and supported his application to the High Court.

Kingdom Of The Cruel Children - that's what the Khmer Rouge did to young 'recruits' to teach them how to be good party workers with guns, and look how that turned out.

Such primitive ideas have no place in a modern society.

Kanga... BUBE`... the list is right there for you - time to ante up or shut up .....

You can do it - after all - you know everything!  Jesus - school holidays...

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 13^th, 2022 at 8:48pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 8:35pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 6:53pm: Frank wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 6:25pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 5:27pm: Frank wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 3:02pm: So when the ONLY argument for Yes is that a No would be racist, people rightly suspect hidden motives and bad faith. If it cannot be openly debated then it is a bad idea that must be defeated. Get your own house in order friend. You're in no place what so ever to pretend you're on a high horse when the standard of debate around not supporting the voice is as vile and despicable as it is here, and you're condoning it by sooking over people calling it out. Show me ONE vile and despicable argument against the Voice in the public, mainstream debate.  There isn't any.  There are questions and educated, legal speculations about unintended (?) consequences of lawfare. You have not provided anything but the usual emoting yourself. Yet "Marcia Langton warns of risk of ‘nasty, eugenicist’ debate about race ahead of voice referendum"  “It’s unfortunate the Nationals have injected misinformation and vitriol into this debate so early on,” she told ABC Radio National. Bollocks. There was no vitriol, there was no misinformation. She could have pointed out any if there had been any. She didn't.  Pearson ditto. What will the Voice achieve that all the other hundreds of organisations and programs couldn't and how will it achieve it? If such questions are 'sooking' to you then you are talking just as dishonestly and in bad faith as the other 'it's wacist to as question about the voice' numpties. This is, technically, a public forum... Nobody is stupid enough to put their name to these claims, not even Boris, it's all done anonymously here. He, those like him, they're all cowards. That ranks amongst the most vapid and insulting posts put up here about the Voice.... that failure waiting to happen..... you are part of the problem not the solution and give ample reason why nobody should vote for such a stupid idea. If they are cowards for posting on an anonymous forum - what are you? I would gladly put my name to my position in any public venue, just not here because of the level of crazy I've witnessed, and attempts to dox me in the past. My current stand, in case it needs reiterating, is that I don't support the voice with the information we have at hand, which is very little, which the Government have made clear. The Referendum is not today, tomorrow or next week. There needs to be a public forum where the aims and goal of the voice, the details on how it will work, need to be put to the public and understood.  The Government have promised this and I eagerly await it. At that time, I am happy to weigh in again, informed, and share my opinion and how I'm going to vote. Until then, when I see racist shitbags saying the voice will give Indigenous Australians dominion and control over everyone else in the country or that they're not worthy of representation because they subhuman savages who all, every single one of them rape and murder children and should be shot and killed in the streets, I'm going to speak out against it. When that vile, horrid hate speech goes unchecked it festers in the echo chambers, such as this place, condoned by the moderation team and site owner, it can lead to offline extremism which costs lives. If they won't do anything about it, I will at least, for the time I'm willing to waste here, fight back against these insecure little bitch babies trying to improve their own standing in their tiny little pea-brained heads by discriminating against others as if that has any sort of impact on them. Nah, bugger them, and bugger you if you defend their ilk. That last comment is really for anyone, as for Grappler, you are one of them, so you can bugger off and die at your leasure.

Until then, when I see racist shitbags saying the voice will give Indigenous Australians dominion and control over everyone else in the country

Yes it will as they have power of Veto over all Legislation and they are unelected

or that they're not worthy of representation because they subhuman savages who all, every single one of them rape and murder children

Do you know what happens at the Initiations? They are all raped and many die

and should be shot and killed in the streets, I'm going to speak out against it.

The army needs to be called in to restore order in Alice Springs - is all I said - nobody said anything about shooting and killing in the streets - You are a deluded fool and I speak out against stupid fools like you who has never been where I have been nor seen what I have seen

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 13^th, 2022 at 8:57pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 8:46pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 6:53pm: Frank wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 6:25pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 5:27pm: Frank wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 3:02pm: So when the ONLY argument for Yes is that a No would be racist, people rightly suspect hidden motives and bad faith. If it cannot be openly debated then it is a bad idea that must be defeated. Get your own house in order friend. You're in no place what so ever to pretend you're on a high horse when the standard of debate around not supporting the voice is as vile and despicable as it is here, and you're condoning it by sooking over people calling it out. Show me ONE vile and despicable argument against the Voice in the public, mainstream debate.  There isn't any.  There are questions and educated, legal speculations about unintended (?) consequences of lawfare. You have not provided anything but the usual emoting yourself. Yet "Marcia Langton warns of risk of ‘nasty, eugenicist’ debate about race ahead of voice referendum"  “It’s unfortunate the Nationals have injected misinformation and vitriol into this debate so early on,” she told ABC Radio National. Bollocks. There was no vitriol, there was no misinformation. She could have pointed out any if there had been any. She didn't.  Pearson ditto. What will the Voice achieve that all the other hundreds of organisations and programs couldn't and how will it achieve it? If such questions are 'sooking' to you then you are talking just as dishonestly and in bad faith as the other 'it's wacist to as question about the voice' numpties. This is, technically, a public forum... Nobody is stupid enough to put their name to these claims, not even Boris, it's all done anonymously here. He, those like him, they're all cowards. Unlike you, eh??    You are being dishonest.  Do you REALLY think that accusations of redneckery and racism by Pearson, Langton and other Yes proponents are referencing views on this forum, and not Price, Mundene, the Nationals, Albrechtsen etc and other public, identifiable voices asking questions I've not had the time to look at their claims, which is why I've not made any comments about them and only those people I mentioned on this forum. Quote: Of course not. You ARE just being dishonest and shifty. Sad, kangaroo. Try honesty next time. Or will that hurt your cause? The problem with your demands of honesty is that they're meaningless coming from someone like you. I have been honest. I'm not interested in the debate on the Voice vote yet since the Government has yet to detail it or put forward a date for the Referendum. What I can't stand by and let slide is racist front bottoms, and racist mods, championing genocide or trying to paint all Indigenous Australians as child rapists and murders as their arguments against the voice, as if they're sub-human savages, or lying that it will give them control over all Australians. It's lunacy that needs to stop, or at least get pushback. I never said this was coming from the people you've highlighted. I've not seen their arguments, but even if they are racist, IF, it would be nothing compared to what is being normalised within this hell hole.

I don't see how you could 'not have time' to look at the national debate on the Voice, yet have all the time for its inconsequential and faintest echoes in this little forum.  That's nutty and shifty. Do you really think this forum is representative and so  that's why you prioritise it with your time over the public debate?
No, of course not. You are just not honest with us or yourself.

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 13^th, 2022 at 8:57pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 8:46pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 6:53pm: Frank wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 6:25pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 5:27pm: Frank wrote on Dec 13th, 2022 at 3:02pm: So when the ONLY argument for Yes is that a No would be racist, people rightly suspect hidden motives and bad faith. If it cannot be openly debated then it is a bad idea that must be defeated. Get your own house in order friend. You're in no place what so ever to pretend you're on a high horse when the standard of debate around not supporting the voice is as vile and despicable as it is here, and you're condoning it by sooking over people calling it out. Show me ONE vile and despicable argument against the Voice in the public, mainstream debate.  There isn't any.  There are questions and educated, legal speculations about unintended (?) consequences of lawfare. You have not provided anything but the usual emoting yourself. Yet "Marcia Langton warns of risk of ‘nasty, eugenicist’ debate about race ahead of voice referendum"  “It’s unfortunate the Nationals have injected misinformation and vitriol into this debate so early on,” she told ABC Radio National. Bollocks. There was no vitriol, there was no misinformation. She could have pointed out any if there had been any. She didn't.  Pearson ditto. What will the Voice achieve that all the other hundreds of organisations and programs couldn't and how will it achieve it? If such questions are 'sooking' to you then you are talking just as dishonestly and in bad faith as the other 'it's wacist to as question about the voice' numpties. This is, technically, a public forum... Nobody is stupid enough to put their name to these claims, not even Boris, it's all done anonymously here. He, those like him, they're all cowards. Unlike you, eh??    You are being dishonest.  Do you REALLY think that accusations of redneckery and racism by Pearson, Langton and other Yes proponents are referencing views on this forum, and not Price, Mundene, the Nationals, Albrechtsen etc and other public, identifiable voices asking questions I've not had the time to look at their claims, which is why I've not made any comments about them and only those people I mentioned on this forum. Quote: Of course not. You ARE just being dishonest and shifty. Sad, kangaroo. Try honesty next time. Or will that hurt your cause? The problem with your demands of honesty is that they're meaningless coming from someone like you. I have been honest. I'm not interested in the debate on the Voice vote yet since the Government has yet to detail it or put forward a date for the Referendum. What I can't stand by and let slide is racist front bottoms, and racist mods, championing genocide or trying to paint all Indigenous Australians as child rapists and murders as their arguments against the voice, as if they're sub-human savages, or lying that it will give them control over all Australians. It's lunacy that needs to stop, or at least get pushback. I never said this was coming from the people you've highlighted. I've not seen their arguments, but even if they are racist, IF, it would be nothing compared to what is being normalised within this hell hole.

Where did anyone EVER say that all Aboriginal Australians do those things?  Since nobody has ever said that - clearly commenting on it is not racist in any way... but ascribes to perpetrators the guilt and responsibility and points out that there MUST be something done to stop them.

You are fantasising... I'll send my two Aboriginal nephews around to clear it up for you... and my three Aboriginal nieces... you reckon I'd let some creep beat on them etc?  Or their brothers and cousins would?  My son is as white as they come and he would not tolerate that for an instant to one of his own..... then there's my daughter.... or my niece - not to be crossed ...

Get a life... are you fourteen years old or something?  Bet you don't even know an Aborigine.

Boris wrote on Dec 13^th, 2022 at 9:11pm:

Until then, when I see racist shitbags saying the voice will give Indigenous Australians dominion and control over everyone else in the country Yes it will as they have power of Veto over all Legislation and they are unelected

No, they won't. The voice offers no power whatsoever.  We've been through this.  It's an advisory role.  It's still up to our elected officials to listen to or ignore that voice.


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Voice to parliament won’t give ‘special rights’ to Indigenous Australians, legal experts say The proposed Indigenous voice to parliament would not have a veto power and would not confer “special rights” to any person, a government-selected group of constitutional experts has advised, in a bid to address “plainly incorrect assertions” . The government has set up several expert groups to advise on details of the voice referendum, expected to be held in the second half of 2023, including a Constitutional Expert Group made up of legal academics including Prof Anne Twomey and Prof George Williams. The legal experts have advised that the constitutional amendment proposed by the prime minister, Anthony Albanese, at the Garma festival was “constitutionally sound in providing a strong basis on which to conduct further consultation”. “The voice does not confer ‘rights’, much less ‘special rights’, on Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples,” they said. “Nor would the voice change or take away any right, power or privilege of anyone who is not Indigenous.” That advice was considered on Monday by the larger Referendum Working Group, which is made up of more than 20 Indigenous community leaders and academics including Noel Pearson, Yothu Yindi Foundation chairman Dr Galarrwuy Yunupingu, health expert Pat Turner, Prof Marcia Langton and former Coalition Indigenous minister Ken Wyatt. “The draft provision does not in any way provide the voice with a veto power over the functions or powers of the parliament or the executive,” the legal advice said. “The function of ‘making representations’ appropriately reflects its advisory role.”

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or that they're not worthy of representation because they subhuman savages who all, every single one of them rape and murder children Do you know what happens at the Initiations? They are all raped and many die

Yes, but you keep saying this is all Indigenous Australians...  Again, how many times do we have to go through this..!?


Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:41am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:30am: In case there has been some miscommunication, you're saying that ALL Indigenous Australians do these things you claim, not just their bad elements like in any community? Yes

It's too long to quote the entire exchange, but it can be clicked on to see the full context.


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and should be shot and killed in the streets, I'm going to speak out against it. The army needs to be called in to restore order in Alice Springs - is all I said - nobody said anything about sooting and killing in the streets - You are a deluded fool and I speak out against stupid fools like you who has never been where I have been nor seen what I have seen

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 10^th, 2022 at 4:21pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 11:34am: Boris wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 11:31am: SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 11:25am: Boris wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 11:24am: The Alice is out of all control Do you care about there people in terror there? Even in that group you took it from, did you bother looking at the comments? Very few people support bringing in the Army and nobody is calling for them to start shooting like you are. You've taken a headline and gone full-blown "this means we can finally kill them all!"... Go live there Can you at least pretend you don't want to kill them all? Nah - 10% might be worth saving.........

Wow, the mods finally did something, they've gone back and removed your claims about shooting them all, and even removed it from my quotes...

And it had to be them because your posts aren't displaying as being edited, and my quotes of it have been changed too...

I'm glad they finally took action, but it was to protect racist posters what the bugger!?

Wow...

There will be no details until after the referendum

So Australians are asked to vote to change the Constitution when we do not know what we are voting for.

Are we really this stupid?

The lawyers have read it and said Australia will be Governed by the High Court not by Democracy because all laws and legislation concern Aborigines.

They are not our friends and just want to destroy Australia and not make it a better place - and the Voice is step 1 and step 2 and 3 is "Truth Telling" and "Makaratta" or Revenge/ Payback

We are going into this blind deaf and dumb as well as stupid


Voice model to be decided after referendum
The Albanese government will not introduce legislation on a ­proposed model for the Indigenous voice until after Australians go to a referendum in the second half of 2023.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=TAWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theaustralian.com.au%2Fnation%2Fpolitics%2Findigenous-voice-model-to-be-decided-after-referendum%2Fnews-story%2F063bab9c6caf70ac8bbdb80ca7a6ac3c&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium&v21=dynamic-low-control-score&V21spcbehaviour=append

Boris wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:07am:

There will be no details until after the referendum So Australians are asked to vote to change the Constitution when we do not know what we are voting for. Are we really this stupid?

Weeeellll..... Albo got elected exactly like that, sooooo.....    it's a yes, I'm afraid.

We have 1100 or so Aboriginal organisations advising every level of government.  By their own accounts, they each do a fantastic job.

What difference will one more make and why must it be embedded into the Constitution?

I tell you. To be justicable, that is, lawyerable.  And it will be lawyered every time the executive doesn't do as advised by the Voice. There is simply no other reason to have an advisory body to be constitutionally cemented in place for the purpose of twisting the arm of government.

Why have the Voice in the Constitution if it can be ignored by government or parliament? The answer is self-evident: it has to be in the Constitution SO it cannot be ignored.  So the 'may make representations' is a phrase meaning 'will make offers the government could  not ignore'.

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”

― Taylor Caldwell, A Pillar of Iron

The High Court was voted into the Constitution with no detail of how it was to be structured or how it was to operate.  Yet Australians took the Government of the day on trust and enacted one of the most efficient and trusted organisations in existence.  The Voice is similar.  We have no or little detail, we are expected to take the Government on trust and have enacted a good means of representing the needs and requirements of the Indigenous People of Australia.  We have the nay-sayers, the time wasters, the Racists spreading their lies about what The Voice will be and what it's powers will entail.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me and they expect us to believe them and their claims?  Bullshit.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Why would I care about what a savage who rapes and murders children and in my lifetime also ate children has to say about anything when they are drunk and violent and destructive and destroy their own communities?

Unlike the previous views of the Australian Left, the current radical orthodoxy has attained almost ubiquitous official status, endorsed in such works as Bringing Them Home (1997) on the alleged “stolen generations” and in countless verbal acknowledgments, at public meetings and in documents of every kind, of the “traditional owners” of the land and of the Aboriginal “elders, past, present and emerging”, oblivious to the real nature of pre-contact Aboriginal society, with its horrifying and barbaric record of infanticide (about 35 per cent of Aboriginal babies were murdered at birth), cannibalism, the gross and ubiquitous mistreatment of women, tribal warfare, and its total failure in 50,000 years to produce a written language, permanent settlements, or a viable agriculture with a food surplus. This focus on the alleged merits of pre-contact Aboriginal society is almost always accompanied by the denigration of white settlers as mass murderers who carried out massacres and genocides.

Boris wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 8:07am:

There will be no details until after the referendum So Australians are asked to vote to change the Constitution when we do not know what we are voting for. Are we really this stupid? The lawyers have red it and said Australia will be Governed by the High Court not by Democracy because all laws and legislation concern Aborigines. They are not our friends and just want to destroy Australia and not make it a better place - and the Voice is step 1 and step 2 and 3 is "Truth Telling" and "Makaratta" or Revenge/ Payback We are going into this blind deaf and dumb as well as stupid Voice model to be decided after referendum The Albanese government will not introduce legislation on a ­proposed model for the Indigenous voice until after Australians go to a referendum in the second half of 2023. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=TAWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theaustralian.com.au%2Fnation%2Fpolitics%2Findigenous-voice-model-to-be-decided-after-referendum%2Fnews-story%2F063bab9c6caf70ac8bbdb80ca7a6ac3c&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium&v21=dynamic-low-control-score&V21spcbehaviour=append

You'd have to be completely retarded to vote yes to something that you have no understanding of, or what it will end up being. That is just plain farrking dumb.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 2:04pm:

The High Court was voted into the Constitution with no detail of how it was to be structured or how it was to operate.  Yet Australians took the Government of the day on trust and enacted one of the most efficient and trusted organisations in existence.  The Voice is similar.  We have no or little detail, we are expected to take the Government on trust and have enacted a good means of representing the needs and requirements of the Indigenous People of Australia.  We have the nay-sayers, the time wasters, the Racists spreading their lies about what The Voice will be and what it's powers will entail.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me and they expect us to believe them and their claims?  Bullshit.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Utter Bbwianesque nonsense. Laughable, shifty, smug, fuddy-duddy stupidity.

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/Constitution/chapter3

The establishment of the High Court was not a constitutional amendment sought by the government of thd day and endorsed by the people. It was not "voted into the Constitution".  There was NO federal government of the day, numpty, since the main objective of the constitution was to establish the terms of ederation of the six colonies. So Australians didn't "take the Government of the day on trust" as there was no such government to be taken in trust or otherwise, only six separate colonial governments.

The the Voice is absolutely nothing like the Australian court system. The Voice is a race based body with undefined limitations. The jurisdiction of the High Court is clearly defined in the constitution.

What are the lies that the Racists are spreading about the Voice, Bbwian? And if "we have no or little detail", how do you know they are lies? How could you know?

On what grounds do you entrust the government to enact good means? What happens when the 'Tories' get back into government? Will you be just as trusting with them as with SocialistLabor/Greens?


Tuttutsie Bbwian hiding from facts:
https://mobile.twitter.com/SteveInmanUIC/status/1602866467716091904

Boris wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 2:20pm:

Why would I care about what a savage who rapes and murders children and in my lifetime also ate children has to say about anything when they are drunk and violent and destructive and destroy their own communities? Unlike the previous views of the Australian Left, the current radical orthodoxy has attained almost ubiquitous official status, endorsed in such works as Bringing Them Home (1997) on the alleged “stolen generations” and in countless verbal acknowledgments, at public meetings and in documents of every kind, of the “traditional owners” of the land and of the Aboriginal “elders, past, present and emerging”, oblivious to the real nature of pre-contact Aboriginal society, with its horrifying and barbaric record of infanticide (about 35 per cent of Aboriginal babies were murdered at birth), cannibalism, the gross and ubiquitous mistreatment of women, tribal warfare, and its total failure in 50,000 years to produce a written language, permanent settlements, or a viable agriculture with a food surplus. This focus on the alleged merits of pre-contact Aboriginal society is almost always accompanied by the denigration of white settlers as mass murderers who carried out massacres and genocides.

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Spoken like a true  Racist.  It was all done for "their own good..." hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

The West isn't being killed off by its enemies - it is committing suicide... a little bit at a time...

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 4:30pm:

The West isn't being killed off by its enemies - it is committing suicide... a little bit at a time...

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png

Yeah, sure, Graps, sure, what ever you say.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, an old, white man's ramblings, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 4:34pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 14th, 2022 at 4:30pm: The West isn't being killed off by its enemies - it is committing suicide... a little bit at a time... https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Yeah, sure, Graps, sure, what ever you say.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, an old, white man's ramblings, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

You need a pint of Jonestown Kool Aid.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 4:03pm:

Boris wrote on Dec 14th, 2022 at 2:20pm: Why would I care about what a savage who rapes and murders children and in my lifetime also ate children has to say about anything when they are drunk and violent and destructive and destroy their own communities? Unlike the previous views of the Australian Left, the current radical orthodoxy has attained almost ubiquitous official status, endorsed in such works as Bringing Them Home (1997) on the alleged “stolen generations” and in countless verbal acknowledgments, at public meetings and in documents of every kind, of the “traditional owners” of the land and of the Aboriginal “elders, past, present and emerging”, oblivious to the real nature of pre-contact Aboriginal society, with its horrifying and barbaric record of infanticide (about 35 per cent of Aboriginal babies were murdered at birth), cannibalism, the gross and ubiquitous mistreatment of women, tribal warfare, and its total failure in 50,000 years to produce a written language, permanent settlements, or a viable agriculture with a food surplus. This focus on the alleged merits of pre-contact Aboriginal society is almost always accompanied by the denigration of white settlers as mass murderers who carried out massacres and genocides. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Spoken like a true  Racist.  It was all done for "their own good..." hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

So let them murder and rape children because?

Boris wrote on Dec 15^th, 2022 at 8:14am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14th, 2022 at 4:03pm: Boris wrote on Dec 14th, 2022 at 2:20pm: Why would I care about what a savage who rapes and murders children and in my lifetime also ate children has to say about anything when they are drunk and violent and destructive and destroy their own communities? Unlike the previous views of the Australian Left, the current radical orthodoxy has attained almost ubiquitous official status, endorsed in such works as Bringing Them Home (1997) on the alleged “stolen generations” and in countless verbal acknowledgments, at public meetings and in documents of every kind, of the “traditional owners” of the land and of the Aboriginal “elders, past, present and emerging”, oblivious to the real nature of pre-contact Aboriginal society, with its horrifying and barbaric record of infanticide (about 35 per cent of Aboriginal babies were murdered at birth), cannibalism, the gross and ubiquitous mistreatment of women, tribal warfare, and its total failure in 50,000 years to produce a written language, permanent settlements, or a viable agriculture with a food surplus. This focus on the alleged merits of pre-contact Aboriginal society is almost always accompanied by the denigration of white settlers as mass murderers who carried out massacres and genocides. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Spoken like a true  Racist.  It was all done for "their own good..." hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) So let them murder and rape children because?

You propose things that haven't worked in the past and want to repeat them, Matty, knowing that they won't work again.  That is the definition of insanity, you realise?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2022 at 4:03pm:

Boris wrote on Dec 14th, 2022 at 2:20pm: Why would I care about what a savage who rapes and murders children and in my lifetime also ate children has to say about anything when they are drunk and violent and destructive and destroy their own communities? Unlike the previous views of the Australian Left, the current radical orthodoxy has attained almost ubiquitous official status, endorsed in such works as Bringing Them Home (1997) on the alleged “stolen generations” and in countless verbal acknowledgments, at public meetings and in documents of every kind, of the “traditional owners” of the land and of the Aboriginal “elders, past, present and emerging”, oblivious to the real nature of pre-contact Aboriginal society, with its horrifying and barbaric record of infanticide (about 35 per cent of Aboriginal babies were murdered at birth), cannibalism, the gross and ubiquitous mistreatment of women, tribal warfare, and its total failure in 50,000 years to produce a written language, permanent settlements, or a viable agriculture with a food surplus. This focus on the alleged merits of pre-contact Aboriginal society is almost always accompanied by the denigration of white settlers as mass murderers who carried out massacres and genocides. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Spoken like a true  Racist.  It was all done for "their own good..." hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Indeed it was.   There is no staying Stone Age forever. Not an option. Civilisation was the only option. Some were more reluctant to be civilised than others. Would you fence them off and keep them in the Dreamtime Zoo, Tuttutsie Bbwian??

The Japanese and the Chinese were also reluctant but look at them now. Some Aborigines are still reluctant to be civilised, others resent it. Same with some Chinese. 
I can understand the Aboriginal resentment to some extent. It is is hard to admit that one's primitive cultural practices were fossilised for a long time and cannot be sustained any more. Wasting all those millenia can fill them with bitter regret and even shame. But it's over now, it is behind them and there is no returning to it, there is no repeating it. Document it, record it, describe it extensively- but there is no going back to it. Thd Stone Age is gone.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 10^th, 2022 at 11:15am:

Most of us are just friendly with everyone and don't need that kind of kow-towing to have peace.

But the "peace" of political partisanship, manifested in lives of "quiet desperation" among a sizable proportion of the population, always ends up fraying at the extremist edges. 

HMAS Grappler opens fire, D-Day 2022...... get this up your Atlantic Wall...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boXaR7dQA0w

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 15^th, 2022 at 10:13am:

Boris wrote on Dec 15th, 2022 at 8:14am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14th, 2022 at 4:03pm: Boris wrote on Dec 14th, 2022 at 2:20pm: Why would I care about what a savage who rapes and murders children and in my lifetime also ate children has to say about anything when they are drunk and violent and destructive and destroy their own communities? Unlike the previous views of the Australian Left, the current radical orthodoxy has attained almost ubiquitous official status, endorsed in such works as Bringing Them Home (1997) on the alleged “stolen generations” and in countless verbal acknowledgments, at public meetings and in documents of every kind, of the “traditional owners” of the land and of the Aboriginal “elders, past, present and emerging”, oblivious to the real nature of pre-contact Aboriginal society, with its horrifying and barbaric record of infanticide (about 35 per cent of Aboriginal babies were murdered at birth), cannibalism, the gross and ubiquitous mistreatment of women, tribal warfare, and its total failure in 50,000 years to produce a written language, permanent settlements, or a viable agriculture with a food surplus. This focus on the alleged merits of pre-contact Aboriginal society is almost always accompanied by the denigration of white settlers as mass murderers who carried out massacres and genocides. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Spoken like a true  Racist.  It was all done for "their own good..." hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) So let them murder and rape children because? You propose things that haven't worked in the past and want to repeat them, Matty, knowing that they won't work again.  That is the definition of insanity, you realise?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

They rape and murder women and children without mercy now today.

If you lived in the Nt and worked for the police or Health Department you would know this as I do.

All you have to do is look at the statistics of violence against aboriginal women and children compared with non-aboriginal women and children.

the comparisons are breath taking.

And if you think the words inserted into the Constitution will somehow stop this travesty or make it better you are deluded.

All the Voice will do is destroy Australia

But you are Boot Licking Lickspittle Cadre of the Extreme Left and want the destruction of Democracy.

With this Referendum Democracy has been thrown out the window. The No case will not be sent by mail to all the voters of Australia and the endless propaganda on the TV and media is staggering.

It's all lies and propaganda.

You Lefties are despicable.

the core planks in the feel-good case for the Voice are starting to unravel

The first to go is the idea that constitutional change is just a symbolic act. The second is that this proposal will bring the nation together, healing divisions.

Neither assertion can be sustained. For proof, look no further than the statements of Noel Pearson, the key leader of the ”yes” campaign and one of the architects of the Voice.

Five years ago, Pearson and Shireen Morris, a lawyer and academic, wrote in the Australian Law Journal about why they favoured a constitutionally mandated Indigenous body that would advise parliament and the executive on laws and policies.

That article shows that such a body was about power, not symbolism: “It would provide a constitutional platform for Indigenous empowerment … it avoids the uncertainty of symbolic constitutional change,” Pearson and Morris wrote.

The line about healing divisions bit the dust on Tuesday thanks to Pearson’s vilification of senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price, who had asserted that the Voice would entrench racial divisions.

By lashing out at Price, Pearson proved her case. The Yes side of this debate is already fostering divisions.

Nowhere in Pearson’s spray, broadcast for seventeen minutes by ABC radio, did he come close to addressing the issues she had raised the day before.

Price has reframed this debate. She has transformed this referendum into a test of whether Australia will adhere to the great principle that underpins true democracies.

“We are not looking for more division,” she said. “We are part of a liberal democratic Australia and one of our fundamental principles is that we are all regarded as equal under the law despite race, despite gender, despite anything else.

“Why should I as an Indigenous Australian be governed by a separate entity because of my race?

“We are here to serve Australian citizens of all backgrounds and it is not right to divide us along the lines of race, especially in our Australian founding document,” Price said.

Some might quibble with Price’s assertion that the Voice will “govern”. But consider the possibilities that must now be under consideration: it looks like the Voice will have a separate bureaucracy, it looks like involving itself in matters that extend beyond Indigenous affairs and the Prime Minister has conceded it would be a brave government that ignored its advice.

That looks a lot like a shadow government that would affect public policy across the nation while remaining accountable only to a sub-set of society.

Thanks to former High Court judge Ken Hayne we also know that if the Voice is established, the High Court – and not parliament – will have the final say on disputes about its powers.

That puts an end to the argument that parliament will be in control of this institution — just as it is in control of advisory bodies such as the Productivity Commission. The difference is that the Voice would be embedded in the Constitution which means ultimate control rests with the High Court, not our elected representatives.
Chris Merritt

Read this - it's even worse:-

https://www.auspublaw.org/blog/2021/03/the-relationship-between-parliament-and-the-voice-and-the-importance-of-enshrinement

Huge thing - many ins and outs - I don't have the time to do it now... just a a coupla things though:-


.  Emeritus Professor Rowse has observed that according to the Uluru Statement “parliament would be obliged to take notice of [the Voice and] to refer issues to it for advice and to respond to any advice that the Voice sent back or offered unilaterally” (at p 6).

One way obligation there – and the limits of the demand for 'response' are not shown....

.  “As can be seen from the model put forward in the Interim Report of the Indigenous Voice Co-Design process, it would be possible to give some effect to the Uluru Statement by adopting a purely statutory model of the Voice and consultation. One of the main advantages of a statutory model is that, consistently with what the Hon Murray Gleeson AC, QC the former Chief Justice of the High Court, has observed, it could give the voter an opportunity to see how the proposal operates in practice and make any changes needed to be adopted in the light of the experience gained from time to time with the statutory model (at p12). Those changes would not be needed to be put the voters at a referendum to alter the Constitution.”

Hence the 'trial run' by the Andrews Government at Victorian level – clearly under tight controls and not 'acting up' so that all looks kosher.  There remains the ghostly and ghastly spectre hovering in the background of any government amending the running of any voice in any way it chooses once it is in.

“The Interim Report proposes an “obligation to consult” (at p 52) in relation to matters that would be connected to the races and territories power, and measures that would engage the Racial Discrimination Act 1975 (Cth); and to an “expectation to consult” (at p 53) in relation to matters that would have a significant impact on Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people of national significance.”

Again – all citizens are affected by all laws etc – nothing is limited to any social group.

“First and foremost, it would prevent at the federal (and state/territory) levels of governments, the Parliament from abolishing the Voice and the need to consult it on matters affecting First Nations peoples in the making of laws by the Parliament (and the development of executive or administrative policies or programs).”

I note zero reference here to 'laws that affect Aboriginal people only' – it says “in the making of laws” pure and simple.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 16^th, 2022 at 11:34am:

Read this - it's even worse:- https://www.auspublaw.org/blog/2021/03/the-relationship-between-parliament-and-the-voice-and-the-importance-of-enshrinement Huge thing - many ins and outs - I don't have the time to do it now... just a a coupla things though:- .  Emeritus Professor Rowse has observed that according to the Uluru Statement “parliament would be obliged to take notice of [the Voice and] to refer issues to it for advice and to respond to any advice that the Voice sent back or offered unilaterally” (at p 6). One way obligation there – and the limits of the demand for 'response' are not shown.... .  “As can be seen from the model put forward in the Interim Report of the Indigenous Voice Co-Design process, it would be possible to give some effect to the Uluru Statement by adopting a purely statutory model of the Voice and consultation. One of the main advantages of a statutory model is that, consistently with what the Hon Murray Gleeson AC, QC the former Chief Justice of the High Court, has observed, it could give the voter an opportunity to see how the proposal operates in practice and make any changes needed to be adopted in the light of the experience gained from time to time with the statutory model (at p12). Those changes would not be needed to be put the voters at a referendum to alter the Constitution.” Hence the 'trial run' by the Andrews Government at Victorian level – clearly under tight controls and not 'acting up' so that all looks kosher.  There remains the ghostly and ghastly spectre hovering in the background of any government amending the running of any voice in any way it chooses once it is in. “The Interim Report proposes an “obligation to consult” (at p 52) in relation to matters that would be connected to the races and territories power, and measures that would engage the Racial Discrimination Act 1975 (Cth); and to an “expectation to consult” (at p 53) in relation to matters that would have a significant impact on Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people of national significance.” Again – all citizens are affected by all laws etc – nothing is limited to any social group. “First and foremost, it would prevent at the federal (and state/territory) levels of governments, the Parliament from abolishing the Voice and the need to consult it on matters affecting First Nations peoples in the making of laws by the Parliament (and the development of executive or administrative policies or programs).” I note zero reference here to 'laws that affect Aboriginal people only' – it says “in the making of laws” pure and simple.

This is a disaster

How can anyone want this?