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Message started by Brian Ross on Dec 17th, 2022 at 3:29pm

Title: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 17th, 2022 at 3:29pm
Grampians traditional landowners complete cultural heritage survey, rock climbers allowed back [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by Xavier on Dec 17th, 2022 at 3:33pm
Spray cans included? Gotta do some rock art.

Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by Lisa Jones on Dec 17th, 2022 at 3:41pm

Jasin wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 3:33pm:
Spray cans included? Gotta do some rock art.


😂🤣😆

Title: Rock Climbers Allowed Back (kinda sorta)
Post by Lisa Jones on Dec 17th, 2022 at 4:16pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 3:29pm:
Grampians traditional landowners complete cultural heritage survey, rock climbers allowed back [smiley=thumbsup.gif]


Bwian you forgot to mention this part :

"climbers must respect the exclusion zones and the closed routes, and stick to the new access points and the routes that are open."

Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by Frank on Dec 17th, 2022 at 5:33pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 3:29pm:
Grampians traditional landowners complete cultural heritage survey, rock climbers allowed back [smiley=thumbsup.gif]


Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by Gnads on Dec 17th, 2022 at 6:49pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 3:29pm:
Grampians traditional landowners complete cultural heritage survey, rock climbers allowed back [smiley=thumbsup.gif]



More bollocks posted by Bwyan.

They can get stuffed ... & you.

Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 17th, 2022 at 8:55pm


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, they just can't satisfy you lot, can they?  One minute your screaming that they are going to lock up all the national parks and the next you're screaming 'cause they have come to an arrangement that assures a national park is open.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by John Smith on Dec 17th, 2022 at 8:59pm

Gnads wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 6:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 3:29pm:
Grampians traditional landowners complete cultural heritage survey, rock climbers allowed back [smiley=thumbsup.gif]



More bollocks posted by Bwyan.

They can get stuffed ... & you.


Hang on, isn't that what you've been crying for?  :D :D :D

Just admit it, you're a racist and all your arguments are just an excuse.

Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by The Grappler on Dec 18th, 2022 at 2:09am
Nobody owns a natural feature in existence for millions of years unless they buy and pay for it.  The old days of Imperialist/Colonialist capture and possession are over.... you want you buy - and no National Park is up for grabs to anyone.

You wouldn't give it to a mineral extraction company - so you can't give it to anyone else either..... NOBODY owns it!!  It is held in common trust for ALL!

Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by The Grappler on Dec 18th, 2022 at 2:14am

John Smith wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 8:59pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 6:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 3:29pm:
Grampians traditional landowners complete cultural heritage survey, rock climbers allowed back [smiley=thumbsup.gif]



More bollocks posted by Bwyan.

They can get stuffed ... & you.


Hang on, isn't that what you've been crying for?  :D :D :D

Just admit it, you're a racist and all your arguments are just an excuse.


He's not the one excluding anyone on racial grounds - he wants everyone to be treated equally.... you got a problem with that, Il Duce?

Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by freediver on Dec 18th, 2022 at 5:39am
John Smith refuses to say whether he supports racist and sexist government policy. Don't you John?

Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by Gnads on Dec 18th, 2022 at 7:21am

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 8:55pm:


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, they just can't satisfy you lot, can they?  One minute your screaming that they are going to lock up all the national parks and the next you're screaming 'cause they have come to an arrangement that assures a national park is open.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


Strings attached Bwyan tsk tsk tsk

Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by Gnads on Dec 18th, 2022 at 7:22am

John Smith wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 8:59pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 6:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 3:29pm:
Grampians traditional landowners complete cultural heritage survey, rock climbers allowed back [smiley=thumbsup.gif]



More bollocks posted by Bwyan.

They can get stuffed ... & you.


Hang on, isn't that what you've been crying for?  :D :D :D

Just admit it, you're a racist and all your arguments are just an excuse.


Australians shouldn't need permission to use National Parks.

You're just an idiot - just admit it.

Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by Boris on Dec 18th, 2022 at 7:40am

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 8:55pm:


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, they just can't satisfy you lot, can they?  One minute your screaming that they are going to lock up all the national parks and the next you're screaming 'cause they have come to an arrangement that assures a national park is open.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


Grandiose - Omipotent - Devaluing

Textbook Narcissist

Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by The Grappler on Dec 18th, 2022 at 12:02pm
What part of NATIONAL do you not understand?

Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 18th, 2022 at 12:47pm

Boris wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 7:40am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 8:55pm:


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, they just can't satisfy you lot, can they?  One minute your screaming that they are going to lock up all the national parks and the next you're screaming 'cause they have come to an arrangement that assures a national park is open.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


Grandiose - Omipotent - Devaluing

Textbook Narcissist




Oh, dearie, dearie, me.   Matty you really are a character, you realise?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by Frank on Dec 18th, 2022 at 12:47pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 12:02pm:
What part of NATIONAL do you not understand?

First National, innit.

Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 18th, 2022 at 12:48pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 12:02pm:
What part of NATIONAL do you not understand?


Obviously Black Fellas don't count as Australian, as part of the nation, to you, do they, Graps.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by Frank on Dec 18th, 2022 at 1:07pm
Cultural appropriation

https://m.facebook.com/abc.classic/videos/classic-choir-sings-oh-christmas-tree-yerrbill-with-clarence/1176926562961234/


:o :o

Tsk, tsk   ::) ::)


Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by Gnads on Dec 18th, 2022 at 2:58pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 12:48pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 12:02pm:
What part of NATIONAL do you not understand?


Obviously Black Fellas don't count as Australian, as part of the nation, to you, do they, Graps.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


They don't count themselves as that otherwise you wouldn't have the BS links you have to post. ::)

Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by Gnads on Dec 18th, 2022 at 3:00pm

Frank wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 1:07pm:
Cultural appropriation

https://m.facebook.com/abc.classic/videos/classic-choir-sings-oh-christmas-tree-yerrbill-with-clarence/1176926562961234/


:o :o

Tsk, tsk   ::) ::)


That's definitely woke cringeworthy stuff.

Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by John Smith on Dec 18th, 2022 at 4:37pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 2:09am:
Nobody owns a natural feature in existence for millions of years unless they buy and pay for it.!



Try telling that to Gina or Clive.  ::)

Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by John Smith on Dec 18th, 2022 at 4:38pm

freediver wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 5:39am:
John Smith refuses to say whether he supports racist and sexist government policy. Don't you John?


Do you fd

Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by The Grappler on Dec 18th, 2022 at 4:39pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 4:37pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 2:09am:
Nobody owns a natural feature in existence for millions of years unless they buy and pay for it.!



Try telling that to Gina or Clive.  ::)


Exactly - so you feel the way forward is for everyone to be able to lay claim to whatever they want?  You know where that leads, don't you?

I have - at the same time as advocating for no land rights claims under existing law - advocated for no mining rights claims ... guess you missed that.

If there is a need for referenda - it is about some of the outdated laws by which companies and individuals and groups can just lay claim to sovereign resources including land... as Old Lang did with those iron ore deposits... it was KNOWN they were there long before... the Japanese wanted to build an iron works there in the 1920's and mine that ore for it .... inside job for a mate again... you know how that works in Australia..

That old Imperial colonial style of laying claim is long gone and has no place in the modern era... whether it be some Abo waltzing over a hill and saying this is a nice place - I gunna claim 'im - or a modern day Captain Lecrooc or Ling Hau Cooc  arriving here and laying claim to Australia .... or some mining group or similar coming across a nice plot of ore and saying - this is a nice place - I gunna claim 'im .... same deal, different Imperialist colonialism.

Australia has a lot of growing up to do... as do many other countries in this poor old world.

One rule for you - you can't just go out and claim something... and another for business and Abos.... well - they can sit on that!!



Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by John Smith on Dec 18th, 2022 at 4:52pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 4:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 4:37pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 2:09am:
Nobody owns a natural feature in existence for millions of years unless they buy and pay for it.!



Try telling that to Gina or Clive.  ::)


Exactly -


So why did you lie?

Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by The Grappler on Dec 18th, 2022 at 4:53pm
I never lie.....


Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by Boris on Dec 18th, 2022 at 8:58pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 4:52pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 4:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 4:37pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 2:09am:
Nobody owns a natural feature in existence for millions of years unless they buy and pay for it.!



Try telling that to Gina or Clive.  ::)


Exactly -


So why did you lie?


It's where they raped murdered and ate children

such wonderful people

Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 18th, 2022 at 9:03pm

Boris wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 8:58pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 4:52pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 4:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 4:37pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 2:09am:
Nobody owns a natural feature in existence for millions of years unless they buy and pay for it.!



Try telling that to Gina or Clive.  ::)


Exactly -




So why did you lie?


It's where they raped murdered and ate children

such wonderful people




You really do have a one track mind, Matty.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by Boris on Dec 18th, 2022 at 9:19pm
its all they ever did

that and make a fart noise down a hollow log

Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 18th, 2022 at 9:45pm

Boris wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 9:19pm:
its all they ever did

that and make a fart noise down a hollow log




Boring, Matty.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by Gnads on Dec 19th, 2022 at 7:22am

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 9:03pm:

Boris wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 8:58pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 4:52pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 4:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 4:37pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 2:09am:
Nobody owns a natural feature in existence for millions of years unless they buy and pay for it.!



Try telling that to Gina or Clive.  ::)


Exactly -




So why did you lie?


It's where they raped murdered and ate children

such wonderful people




You really do have a one track mind, Matty.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)



;D Says a yawning tsk tsk tsk - hypocrite

Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by Frank on Dec 19th, 2022 at 9:41am

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 9:03pm:

Boris wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 8:58pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 4:52pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 4:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 4:37pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 18th, 2022 at 2:09am:
Nobody owns a natural feature in existence for millions of years unless they buy and pay for it.!



Try telling that to Gina or Clive.  ::)


Exactly -




So why did you lie?


It's where they raped murdered and ate children

such wonderful people




You really do have a one track mind, Matty.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

:D :D
That's one track up on you, then, mindless Tuttutsie Bbwian.


Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by Boris on Dec 19th, 2022 at 9:56am
They rape and murder children - and used to eat them and possibly still do.

Aren't they wonderful?


Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 19th, 2022 at 1:06pm

Boris wrote on Dec 19th, 2022 at 9:56am:
They rape and murder children - and used to eat them and possibly still do.

Aren't they wonderful?




Boring and Racist, Matty.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by Gnads on Dec 19th, 2022 at 1:08pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19th, 2022 at 1:06pm:

Boris wrote on Dec 19th, 2022 at 9:56am:
They rape and murder children - and used to eat them and possibly still do.

Aren't they wonderful?




Boring and Racist, Matty.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)



You've been like a vulture sitting for hours waiting for Boris to post  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

tsk tsk tsk

Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by Frank on Dec 19th, 2022 at 3:06pm
Assimilation is an anathema to progressives, who prefer ‘integration’ as the term de rigueur — but they are essentially the same thing. Aborigines need to learn to fit in, be a part of, what we have known to be Australian culture for the last 200-plus years and, indeed, most of them have done just that. (So why the special treatment, benefits and funding, you may well ask? That’s a topic for another conversation.)

None of this means Aborigines need to lose their culture – far from it. Unfortunately, much of what passes for Aboriginal ‘culture’ today is an invention of the last 50 years. Fortunately, much authentic Aboriginal culture of the past has vanished. The gruesome initiations, genital mutilation, inflicted cicatrices, burns, ritual spearings, sorcery and payback murders have by and large disappeared. Nevertheless, inter-tribe clan grievances often remain, as can be seen at some football indigenous matches, both on the field and amongst the spectators. Even though these encounters can still become violent, at least those conflicts are mostly played out with a football, not spears and clubs.

Meanwhile, the Aboriginal Industry is chock full of ill-informed, urban myth-makers and illusionists, this caste of urgers and deluded pretenders giving rise to the patronising insistence on the uniqueness of ‘Aboriginal knowledge’ about everything from agriculture and fish farms (a lá Bruce Pascoe), water and fire management (a lá ‘cultural burning’) to Aboriginal ‘art’, ‘fashion’ and even ‘astronomy’, and not to mention Ernie Dingo and Richard Walley’s thoroughly overdone ‘Welcome to Country”. This is mostly snake oil fakery, an effort to convince contemporary Australians that the Aborigines of old were something they clearly never were not. Worse, histories and observational accounts of early Aboriginal life and culture are vanishing from library shelves, replaced by the anti-white post-modern dogma of ‘invasion, colonisation and inter-generational trauma’. It is unusual today to find any history book about Aborigines in a secondary or tertiary institution that is more than fifteen years old. This is cultural censure and erasure happening right under our noses. We are all the poorer for it, black and white alike.

Meanwhile, the recent invention, exaggeration, distortion and misrepresentation of the alleged  ‘frontier wars’ serves as a made-to-order replacement ‘history’ intended to raise the status of Aboriginal people and degrade that of settlers. It is yet another bill of goods, a distorting sham, being hawked by a power-grabbing activist elite  in whose interest it is to falsify and distort our history. The goal, need it be said, is an attempt to paint a genocidal racism as Australia’s original sin.

I, too, would like more self-determination in my own life, too, but I am constrained by the laws of the land. Unfortunately, self-determination for many people who today identify as Aboriginal is taken to mean the normal rules — keeping children in school, eschewing clan and domestic violence — aren’t thought to fully apply. This is nowhere more apparent than on the troubled streets of Alice Springs. ‘Self-determination’ means ‘we’ll do what we like and you can pay for it’. Self-determination’ is about colonising and taking control, accepting all that whitefellas have to offer while offering nothing in return. Self-determination is about undermining whitefella institutions, judiciaries, organisations and bureaucracies. Self-determination is about enculturated white people who, on the strength of what may be a mere speck of indigenous DNA, now identify exclusively as Aboriginal, thereby giving themselves an economic and social leg-up. For the activist cadre it always was and always will be about money, power and control, all underscored by the notion that members of one race enjoy a preeminent ascendency over all other Australians.
https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/aborigines/2022/12/always-was-always-will-be-about-power/


The Constitutionally enshrined voice is about creating an indigenous body and a supporting bureaucracy that would be a de facto government for a quasi-independent indigenous nation that would have a treaty-governed relationship with the Commonwealth of Australia.


Just say No.

Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by Boris on Dec 19th, 2022 at 3:36pm

Boris wrote on Dec 19th, 2022 at 3:27pm:
Its all a ever see



Boris wrote on Dec 19th, 2022 at 12:22pm:
Another day - any idea how many times I've seen this?

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/nt-teenager-who-raped-sevenyearold-girl-while-on-parole-for-arson-to-be-released-less-than-two-months-after-being-convicted/news-story/cc9ede7a0090054249211ce3d29512c0?fbclid=IwAR1e6jfOALrA_UkchJ9o0tXqyz0shVvkwX6NuejxnlFlgWDEtdPHpOsIeCc

NT teenager who raped seven-year-old girl while on parole for arson to be released less than two months after being convicted
Citing a previous ruling, the sentencing judge said “allowing the degree of cumulation which would be required in the application of the ordinary principles” would have “a crushing effect” on the offender, given his youth.

A sixteen-year-old male who raped a seven-year-old girl in a Northern Territory town while on parole for arson will be released from detention less than two months after being convicted.

The teenager was sentenced in the Northern Territory Supreme Court on November 30 - a week before his eighteenth birthday - after pleading guilty to raping the girl in Tennant Creek on May 12 last year.

The court heard the girl had been watching television at the teenager’s house when he groped her before forcing her into a bedroom where she was raped.

The victim later told her mother the teenager “had sex with her in the front and the back”.

She had to be flown by the Royal Flying Doctor Service to Alice Springs for treatment.

The court heard the girl had been traumatised by the incident and was now afraid to go outside.

She struggles to sleep, does not want to go to school and wants to move away from Tennant Creek.

The victim’s mother told the court her once “bubbly and outgoing” daughter is now “scared and anxious”.

The girl’s father told the court the rape was “the worst thing imaginable to happen to a father’s daughter” and that the incident had “gutted him to the core”.

The offender was arrested four days after the incident and has been in custody since at the Don Dale Youth Detention Centre.

Justice Sonia Brownhill sentenced the teenager to three years in prison, suspended after one year and seven months. The maximum sentence for the offence is 25 years.


Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 19th, 2022 at 3:59pm


Boring and Racist, Matty.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by Boris on Dec 19th, 2022 at 4:10pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19th, 2022 at 3:59pm:


Boring and Racist, Matty.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


Do you hear her screams?

I have heard children screaming.

The victim later told her mother the teenager “had sex with her in the front and the back”.

She had to be flown by the Royal Flying Doctor Service to Alice Springs for treatment.

The court heard the girl had been traumatised by the incident and was now afraid to go outside.

She struggles to sleep, does not want to go to school and wants to move away from Tennant Creek.

Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 19th, 2022 at 4:11pm



Boring and Racist, Matty.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)



Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by Boris on Dec 19th, 2022 at 4:15pm
you like it

Title: Re: Grampians traditional landowners
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 19th, 2022 at 4:31pm

Boris wrote on Dec 19th, 2022 at 4:15pm:
you like it




Boring, Matty.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

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