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Message started by Boris on Dec 20th, 2022 at 8:45am

Title: Boring and Racist?
Post by Boris on Dec 20th, 2022 at 8:45am
I don't think so - and I doubt if the victims think so either as their lives are destroyed.

Available data indicate that Indigenous people are 15 to 20 times more likely than non-Indigenous people to commit violent offences.

That is 1,500% to 2,000% more likely to commit violent offences.

That you have never seen.

The consequences of child sexual abuse are horrifying:

Children have sexual diseases. Children under the age of 10 and as young as 4 are diagnosed with sexually transmitted diseases like gonorrhoea, chlamydia, syphilis and trichomoniasis [11].

Early exposure to pornography. Children as young as three have been exposed to pornographic material in their homes [12].

Teenage rape. Teenagers rape children, and older children rape very young children.

Higher vulnerability to illness later in life. The younger the child and the more frequent the abuse, the more likely they are to manifest physical symptoms later in life that hint at their trauma. It could be pelvic pain, stomach aches, chronic back pain or more-complex conditions such as autoimmune disease, asthma, psoriasis and type 2 diabetes. Experts call this 'somatisation': physical manifestations of psychological trauma. [13]

Within a six-month period in early 2007 the Northern Territory Health Department reported more than 800 cases of sexually transmitted diseases in Indigenous populations, while just 53 cases were noted in non-Indigenous groups [11].

https://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/health/aboriginal-sexual-abuse#sexual-abuse-in-aboriginal-communities

Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 20th, 2022 at 10:35am


Poor, poor, Matty such a Racist one track mind.  Look it's Christmas, a time for joy and peace, appreciate it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by Gnads on Dec 20th, 2022 at 10:37am

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 10:35am:


Poor, poor, Matty such a Racist one track mind. Look it's Christmas, a time for joy and peace, appreciate it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by Boris on Dec 20th, 2022 at 4:13pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 10:35am:


Poor, poor, Matty such a Racist one track mind.  Look it's Christmas, a time for joy and peace, appreciate it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)



Available data indicate that Indigenous people are 15 to 20 times more likely than non-Indigenous people to commit violent offences.

That is 1,500% to 2,000% more likely to commit violent offences.

That you have never seen.

The consequences of child sexual abuse are horrifying:

Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 20th, 2022 at 5:23pm


Poor, poor, Matty such a Racist one track mind.  Look it's Christmas, a time for joy and peace, appreciate it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by UnSubRocky on Dec 20th, 2022 at 8:38pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 5:23pm:


Poor, poor, Matty such a Racist one track mind.  Look it's Christmas, a time for joy and peace, appreciate it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


Practice what you preach. Do not defend criminals who avoid joy and peace.

Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 20th, 2022 at 9:13pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 8:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 5:23pm:


Poor, poor, Matty such a Racist one track mind.  Look it's Christmas, a time for joy and peace, appreciate it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


Practice what you preach. Do not defend criminals who avoid joy and peace.


When have I done that, Rocky, except in your imagination?  Perhaps you should condemn Matty for his continual attacks on all Indigenous Australians?  Or would that be too fair for you?   ::) ::)

Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by Boris on Dec 20th, 2022 at 10:01pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 9:13pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 8:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 5:23pm:


Poor, poor, Matty such a Racist one track mind.  Look it's Christmas, a time for joy and peace, appreciate it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


Practice what you preach. Do not defend criminals who avoid joy and peace.


When have I done that, Rocky, except in your imagination?  Perhaps you should condemn Matty for his continual attacks on all Indigenous Australians?  Or would that be too fair for you?   ::) ::)


Can you read you fool?

Available data indicate that Indigenous people are 15 to 20 times more likely than non-Indigenous people to commit violent offences.

That is 1,500% to 2,000% more likely to commit violent offences.

So this is OK by you?


The consequences of child sexual abuse are horrifying:

Children have sexual diseases. Children under the age of 10 and as young as 4 are diagnosed with sexually transmitted diseases like gonorrhoea, chlamydia, syphilis and trichomoniasis [11].

Early exposure to pornography. Children as young as three have been exposed to pornographic material in their homes [12].

Teenage rape. Teenagers rape children, and older children rape very young children.

Higher vulnerability to illness later in life. The younger the child and the more frequent the abuse, the more likely they are to manifest physical symptoms later in life that hint at their trauma. It could be pelvic pain, stomach aches, chronic back pain or more-complex conditions such as autoimmune disease, asthma, psoriasis and type 2 diabetes. Experts call this 'somatisation': physical manifestations of psychological trauma. [13]


Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by Boris on Dec 20th, 2022 at 10:05pm
Look at the stats for "all Indigenous Australians"



Selected statistics

15% Percentage of reported sexual offence incidents in Australia which go to court.

12% Reoffending rate for sexual offences. This percentage drops to less than 5% if offenders enter a special program.

30..50% Estimated proportion of sexually abused children in Australia where the perpetrator was 18 years or younger.

7 Times an Aboriginal child in 2009 is more likely to be sexually abused than a non-Aboriginal child. 700%

6 Times an Aboriginal woman in 2012 is more likely to be sexually abused than a non-Aboriginal woman. 600%

14% Proportion of children on South Australian Aṉangu, Pitjantjatjara and Yankunytjatjara (APY) Aboriginal lands who have been sexually abused. Same rate for all of SA population: 0.12%.

42% Proportion of perpetrators of sexual abuse towards Aboriginal women who are non-Aboriginal; who are Aboriginal: 41%; who are both (e.g. pack rapes): 17%

Source: Aboriginal sexual abuse - Creative Spirits, retrieved from https://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/health/aboriginal-sexual-abuse

Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by UnSubRocky on Dec 20th, 2022 at 10:32pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 9:13pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 8:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 5:23pm:


Poor, poor, Matty such a Racist one track mind.  Look it's Christmas, a time for joy and peace, appreciate it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


Practice what you preach. Do not defend criminals who avoid joy and peace.


When have I done that, Rocky, except in your imagination?  Perhaps you should condemn Matty for his continual attacks on all Indigenous Australians?  Or would that be too fair for you?   ::) ::)


You are defending the indigenous Australian criminals. I would be happy for you to condemn them instead of defending them. If "Matty" decided to write up a post about condemning the hundreds of thousands of white Australian criminals, I could be sure that you would be quiet on the topic. That is the hypocrisy I find in your posts.

I have no problem with you defending indigenous Australian rights. But indigenous Australians also have a responsibility to keep law and order. Those that break the law should be condemned. If Boris wants to condemn a proportion of indigenous Australians for committing 15 to 20 times the rate of crimes that non-indigenous people commit, then I see no reason for you to pipe up and defend them.

Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 21st, 2022 at 10:34am

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 10:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 9:13pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 8:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 5:23pm:


Poor, poor, Matty such a Racist one track mind.  Look it's Christmas, a time for joy and peace, appreciate it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


Practice what you preach. Do not defend criminals who avoid joy and peace.


When have I done that, Rocky, except in your imagination?  Perhaps you should condemn Matty for his continual attacks on all Indigenous Australians?  Or would that be too fair for you?   ::) ::)


You are defending the indigenous Australian criminals. I would be happy for you to condemn them instead of defending them. If "Matty" decided to write up a post about condemning the hundreds of thousands of white Australian criminals, I could be sure that you would be quiet on the topic. That is the hypocrisy I find in your posts.

I have no problem with you defending indigenous Australian rights. But indigenous Australians also have a responsibility to keep law and order. Those that break the law should be condemned. If Boris wants to condemn a proportion of indigenous Australians for committing 15 to 20 times the rate of crimes that non-indigenous people commit, then I see no reason for you to pipe up and defend them.


The problem is, Matty doesn't just condemn, "a proportion of Indigenous Australians," he condemns all Indigenous Australians, Rocky.  I condemn Indigenous Australians who break the law but I recognise only a proportion do that, just as only a proportion of White Australians break the law.  When you recognise the difference between him and myself we might then have a conversation.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by Boris on Dec 21st, 2022 at 11:15am
So these statistics are irrelevant

Available data indicate that Indigenous people are 15 to 20 times more likely than non-Indigenous people to commit violent offences.

Selected statistics

15% Percentage of reported sexual offence incidents in Australia which go to court.

12% Reoffending rate for sexual offences. This percentage drops to less than 5% if offenders enter a special program.

30..50% Estimated proportion of sexually abused children in Australia where the perpetrator was 18 years or younger.

7 Times an Aboriginal child in 2009 is more likely to be sexually abused than a non-Aboriginal child. 700%

6 Times an Aboriginal woman in 2012 is more likely to be sexually abused than a non-Aboriginal woman. 600%

14% Proportion of children on South Australian Aṉangu, Pitjantjatjara and Yankunytjatjara (APY) Aboriginal lands who have been sexually abused. Same rate for all of SA population: 0.12%.

42% Proportion of perpetrators of sexual abuse towards Aboriginal women who are non-Aboriginal; who are Aboriginal: 41%; who are both (e.g. pack rapes): 17%

Source: Aboriginal sexual abuse - Creative Spirits, retrieved from https://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/health/aboriginal-sexual-abuse

Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by Boris on Dec 21st, 2022 at 11:20am

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 10:34am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 10:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 9:13pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 8:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 5:23pm:


Poor, poor, Matty such a Racist one track mind.  Look it's Christmas, a time for joy and peace, appreciate it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


Practice what you preach. Do not defend criminals who avoid joy and peace.


When have I done that, Rocky, except in your imagination?  Perhaps you should condemn Matty for his continual attacks on all Indigenous Australians?  Or would that be too fair for you?   ::) ::)


You are defending the indigenous Australian criminals. I would be happy for you to condemn them instead of defending them. If "Matty" decided to write up a post about condemning the hundreds of thousands of white Australian criminals, I could be sure that you would be quiet on the topic. That is the hypocrisy I find in your posts.

I have no problem with you defending indigenous Australian rights. But indigenous Australians also have a responsibility to keep law and order. Those that break the law should be condemned. If Boris wants to condemn a proportion of indigenous Australians for committing 15 to 20 times the rate of crimes that non-indigenous people commit, then I see no reason for you to pipe up and defend them.


Te problem is, Matty doesn't just condemn, "a proportion of Indigenous Australians," he condemns all Indigenous Australians, Rocky.  I condemn Indigenous Australians who break the law but I recognise only a proportion do that, just as only a proportion of White Australians break the law.  When you recognise the difference between him and myself we might then have a conversation.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


15 to 20 times more likely than non-Indigenous people to commit violent offences.

And the hits just keep on coming


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XOo-AiOH9c

Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 21st, 2022 at 11:37am


Boring and of course, Racist, Matty.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by Boris on Dec 21st, 2022 at 11:46am

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 11:37am:


Boring and of course, Racist, Matty.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)



Says someone who has never had to deal with it


The violence in the NT is unbelievable

I was a First Responder

Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by Boris on Dec 21st, 2022 at 12:34pm
It must be the fault of Captain Cook.

It couldn't possibly be anything else. If you have never actually seen things like this you will never really understand how terrible it really is.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-21/mother-pleads-guilty-to-triple-murder-port-hedland-house-fire/101797250

Margaret Hawke pleads guilty to triple-murder of children after Port Hedland house fire

Key points:
Hawke pleaded guilty during a brief appearance in a Perth court
She faces a sentencing hearing in the Supreme Court in April
The deaths of the children left the community of Port Hedland reeling


Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by Boris on Dec 21st, 2022 at 12:56pm
But sipping Lattes in the Inner City you would not have a clue

Someone else can deal with it right?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11560593/Port-Hedland-fire-Margaret-Hawke-admits-triple-murder.html

Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 21st, 2022 at 1:44pm

Boris wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 11:46am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 11:37am:


Boring and of course, Racist, Matty.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


Says someone who has never had to deal with it

The violence in the NT is unbelievable

I was a First Responder




Boring and of course, Racist, Matty.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by UnSubRocky on Dec 21st, 2022 at 4:20pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 10:34am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 10:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 9:13pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 8:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 5:23pm:


Poor, poor, Matty such a Racist one track mind.  Look it's Christmas, a time for joy and peace, appreciate it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


Practice what you preach. Do not defend criminals who avoid joy and peace.


When have I done that, Rocky, except in your imagination?  Perhaps you should condemn Matty for his continual attacks on all Indigenous Australians?  Or would that be too fair for you?   ::) ::)


You are defending the indigenous Australian criminals. I would be happy for you to condemn them instead of defending them. If "Matty" decided to write up a post about condemning the hundreds of thousands of white Australian criminals, I could be sure that you would be quiet on the topic. That is the hypocrisy I find in your posts.

I have no problem with you defending indigenous Australian rights. But indigenous Australians also have a responsibility to keep law and order. Those that break the law should be condemned. If Boris wants to condemn a proportion of indigenous Australians for committing 15 to 20 times the rate of crimes that non-indigenous people commit, then I see no reason for you to pipe up and defend them.


The problem is, Matty doesn't just condemn, "a proportion of Indigenous Australians," he condemns all Indigenous Australians, Rocky.  I condemn Indigenous Australians who break the law but I recognise only a proportion do that, just as only a proportion of White Australians break the law.  When you recognise the difference between him and myself we might then have a conversation.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


I have yet to read a post by Boris that shows him condemning all indigenous Australians. He is outspoken about the elevated levels of criminality among the indigenous Australians, compared to the non-indigenous Australians.

Whereas, whenever you comment on indigenous issues, whether they are criminally related or not, you want to defend the indigenous people. In fact, anything discriminatorily favourable towards indigenous Australians are considered commendable by you.

Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by UnSubRocky on Dec 21st, 2022 at 4:26pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 1:44pm:
Boring and of course, Racist, Matty.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


If you sat in a courtroom watching indigenous teens mouthing off to a respectable magistrate, you would understand the lack of morals indigenous people who commit crimes have. My town has a car theft problem caused by people who are almost always indigenous. And when you hear about how the courts let the thieves off lightly with sentencing, you know that the indigenous people have developed no respect for the law.

Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 21st, 2022 at 5:01pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 4:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 10:34am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 10:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 9:13pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 8:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 5:23pm:


Poor, poor, Matty such a Racist one track mind.  Look it's Christmas, a time for joy and peace, appreciate it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


Practice what you preach. Do not defend criminals who avoid joy and peace.


When have I done that, Rocky, except in your imagination?  Perhaps you should condemn Matty for his continual attacks on all Indigenous Australians?  Or would that be too fair for you?   ::) ::)


You are defending the indigenous Australian criminals. I would be happy for you to condemn them instead of defending them. If "Matty" decided to write up a post about condemning the hundreds of thousands of white Australian criminals, I could be sure that you would be quiet on the topic. That is the hypocrisy I find in your posts.

I have no problem with you defending indigenous Australian rights. But indigenous Australians also have a responsibility to keep law and order. Those that break the law should be condemned. If Boris wants to condemn a proportion of indigenous Australians for committing 15 to 20 times the rate of crimes that non-indigenous people commit, then I see no reason for you to pipe up and defend them.


The problem is, Matty doesn't just condemn, "a proportion of Indigenous Australians," he condemns all Indigenous Australians, Rocky.  I condemn Indigenous Australians who break the law but I recognise only a proportion do that, just as only a proportion of White Australians break the law.  When you recognise the difference between him and myself we might then have a conversation.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


I have yet to read a post by Boris that shows him condemning all indigenous Australians. He is outspoken about the elevated levels of criminality among the indigenous Australians, compared to the non-indigenous Australians.

Whereas, whenever you comment on indigenous issues, whether they are criminally related or not, you want to defend the indigenous people. In fact, anything discriminatorily favourable towards indigenous Australians are considered commendable by you.


In your imagination.  I post notices, headlines in fact, to see what the reaction from the Racist will be, nothing more.  They damn themselves out of their own mouths/fingertips.  I invariably leave them to it, knowing how ridiculous and Racist they will appear to any casual reader.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 21st, 2022 at 5:04pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 4:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 1:44pm:
Boring and of course, Racist, Matty.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


If you sat in a courtroom watching indigenous teens mouthing off to a respectable magistrate, you would understand the lack of morals indigenous people who commit crimes have. My town has a car theft problem caused by people who are almost always indigenous. And when you hear about how the courts let the thieves off lightly with sentencing, you know that the indigenous people have developed no respect for the law.


You seem to think the only way to teach respect is with a rod, harsh sentencing.  When Whites start to close the gaps and start to see things from the viewpoint of Indigenous Australians, we might see an improvement in their attitude. ::) ::)

Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by Frank on Dec 21st, 2022 at 7:17pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 5:04pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 4:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 1:44pm:
Boring and of course, Racist, Matty.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


If you sat in a courtroom watching indigenous teens mouthing off to a respectable magistrate, you would understand the lack of morals indigenous people who commit crimes have. My town has a car theft problem caused by people who are almost always indigenous. And when you hear about how the courts let the thieves off lightly with sentencing, you know that the indigenous people have developed no respect for the law.


You seem to think the only way to teach respect is with a rod, harsh sentencing.  When Whites start to close the gaps and start to see things from the viewpoint of Indigenous Australians, we might see an improvement in their attitude. ::) ::)

What's the viewpoint of juvenile car thieves that YOU see, Bbwians, but others don't?  To what gap is car thieving the correct Aboriginal response?

What is the improved attitude towards Aboriginal youth delinquency that you have, Bbwian, but others like Rocky lack? Please explain.






Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by Frank on Dec 21st, 2022 at 7:17pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 5:04pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 4:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 1:44pm:
Boring and of course, Racist, Matty.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


If you sat in a courtroom watching indigenous teens mouthing off to a respectable magistrate, you would understand the lack of morals indigenous people who commit crimes have. My town has a car theft problem caused by people who are almost always indigenous. And when you hear about how the courts let the thieves off lightly with sentencing, you know that the indigenous people have developed no respect for the law.


You seem to think the only way to teach respect is with a rod, harsh sentencing.  When Whites start to close the gaps and start to see things from the viewpoint of Indigenous Australians, we might see an improvement in their attitude. ::) ::)

What's the viewpoint of juvenile car thieves that YOU see, Bbwians, but others don't?  To what gap is car thieving the correct Aboriginal response?

What is the improved attitude towards Aboriginal youth delinquency that you have, Bbwian, but others like Rocky lack? Please explain.






Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by AusGeoff on Dec 21st, 2022 at 8:20pm

Boris wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 11:46am:
...I was a First Responder


Can I ask in what capacity?      Police, paramedic, firefighter EMT?

And were you working for a state or local government authority
in an official capacity at the time?  I only ask because you've made
this appeal to authority numerous times throughout your argument.



Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by Frank on Dec 21st, 2022 at 8:46pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 5:04pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 4:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 1:44pm:
Boring and of course, Racist, Matty.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


If you sat in a courtroom watching indigenous teens mouthing off to a respectable magistrate, you would understand the lack of morals indigenous people who commit crimes have. My town has a car theft problem caused by people who are almost always indigenous. And when you hear about how the courts let the thieves off lightly with sentencing, you know that the indigenous people have developed no respect for the law.


You seem to think the only way to teach respect is with a rod, harsh sentencing.  When Whites start to close the gaps and start to see things from the viewpoint of Indigenous Australians, we might see an improvement in their attitude. ::) ::)

https://mobile.twitter.com/SteveInmanUIC/status/1605212114242932736

Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by Boris on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 7:21am

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 8:20pm:

Boris wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 11:46am:
...I was a First Responder


Can I ask in what capacity?      Police, paramedic, firefighter EMT?

And were you working for a state or local government authority
in an official capacity at the time?  I only ask because you've made
this appeal to authority numerous times throughout your argument.


I lived in the NT for many years and saw much of the violence first hand.

I worked for the NT Health Department and Drove Ambulances and assisted in the ER and on the Wards.

Many times I had to protect the nurses from violent Aborigines who threatened us with death and or physical harm. And by that I mean I fought off Aborigines - plural - when they attacked helpless women.

I saw women and children raped and murdered - some alive and some dead. I saw women and men and children attacked and wounded some dead from knives, bottles, tree branches and axes. As well as of course - fists and boots - and spears and guns shots.

I have seen the violence first hand many times and been involved in it many times to protect the beautiful nurses in my care.

I lived in Alice Springs and Darwin but I often saw the same violence in other places - Tennent Creek - Katherine - Elliot - Ali Curung.

All this I saw while you sat in the inner city sipping your Lattes deluding yourself that somehow your cockeyes notions have any weight in reality.

Here is a picture of me carrying the coffin of a Russian Prince in Darwin. I spent time on a Russian ship and like the Russian people very much. I am the one with the beard. if you doubt me ask Captain Nemo.

https://www.news.com.au/national/surviving-member-of-russias-romanov-family-is-farewelled-in-darwin/news-story/cf9ee7bb04f1f595a697bfb39d71ba37

Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by Gnads on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 9:54am

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 5:04pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 4:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 1:44pm:
Boring and of course, Racist, Matty.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


If you sat in a courtroom watching indigenous teens mouthing off to a respectable magistrate, you would understand the lack of morals indigenous people who commit crimes have. My town has a car theft problem caused by people who are almost always indigenous. And when you hear about how the courts let the thieves off lightly with sentencing, you know that the indigenous people have developed no respect for the law.


You seem to think the only way to teach respect is with a rod, harsh sentencing.  When Whites start to close the gaps and start to see things from the viewpoint of Indigenous Australians, we might see an improvement in their attitude. ::) ::)


;D Classic comedy right there ... you fool.

Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by UnSubRocky on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 1:25pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 5:01pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 4:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 10:34am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 10:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 9:13pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 8:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 20th, 2022 at 5:23pm:


Poor, poor, Matty such a Racist one track mind.  Look it's Christmas, a time for joy and peace, appreciate it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


Practice what you preach. Do not defend criminals who avoid joy and peace.


When have I done that, Rocky, except in your imagination?  Perhaps you should condemn Matty for his continual attacks on all Indigenous Australians?  Or would that be too fair for you?   ::) ::)


You are defending the indigenous Australian criminals. I would be happy for you to condemn them instead of defending them. If "Matty" decided to write up a post about condemning the hundreds of thousands of white Australian criminals, I could be sure that you would be quiet on the topic. That is the hypocrisy I find in your posts.

I have no problem with you defending indigenous Australian rights. But indigenous Australians also have a responsibility to keep law and order. Those that break the law should be condemned. If Boris wants to condemn a proportion of indigenous Australians for committing 15 to 20 times the rate of crimes that non-indigenous people commit, then I see no reason for you to pipe up and defend them.


The problem is, Matty doesn't just condemn, "a proportion of Indigenous Australians," he condemns all Indigenous Australians, Rocky.  I condemn Indigenous Australians who break the law but I recognise only a proportion do that, just as only a proportion of White Australians break the law.  When you recognise the difference between him and myself we might then have a conversation.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


I have yet to read a post by Boris that shows him condemning all indigenous Australians. He is outspoken about the elevated levels of criminality among the indigenous Australians, compared to the non-indigenous Australians.

Whereas, whenever you comment on indigenous issues, whether they are criminally related or not, you want to defend the indigenous people. In fact, anything discriminatorily favourable towards indigenous Australians are considered commendable by you.


In your imagination.  I post notices, headlines in fact, to see what the reaction from the Racist will be, nothing more.  They damn themselves out of their own mouths/fingertips.  I invariably leave them to it, knowing how ridiculous and Racist they will appear to any casual reader.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


You admit to trolling other uses with race-baiting headlines. Meanwhile, other posters post up controversial topics about celebrity news and news in general, irrespective to the racial background of those involved. Some go one way with their views. Others go another. Race does not come into the equation of the debate. But, when you post up topics about indigenous Australians getting special preferential treatment, you do it to provoke people into talking about the unfairness of such an issue, just for the benefit of trying to make it about race.

Are you not a little ashamed?

Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 1:34pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 1:25pm:
You admit to trolling other uses with race-baiting headlines. Meanwhile, other posters post up controversial topics about celebrity news and news in general, irrespective to the racial background of those involved. Some go one way with their views. Others go another. Race does not come into the equation of the debate. But, when you post up topics about indigenous Australians getting special preferential treatment, you do it to provoke people into talking about the unfairness of such an issue, just for the benefit of trying to make it about race.

Are you not a little ashamed?


I am that Australians would treat one another so unfairly, Rocky.  To the Racists, it is all about "Race".  To me, it should be about circumstances but to argue that with the Racists is pointless.  Much easier to have them condemn themselves out of their own mouths/fingertips.  Are you proud to attack your fellow Australians on the basis of "race"?   Really?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by Gnads on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 1:38pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 1:34pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 1:25pm:
You admit to trolling other uses with race-baiting headlines. Meanwhile, other posters post up controversial topics about celebrity news and news in general, irrespective to the racial background of those involved. Some go one way with their views. Others go another. Race does not come into the equation of the debate. But, when you post up topics about indigenous Australians getting special preferential treatment, you do it to provoke people into talking about the unfairness of such an issue, just for the benefit of trying to make it about race.

Are you not a little ashamed?


I am that Australians would treat one another so unfairly, Rocky.  To the Racists, it is all about "Race".  To me, it should be about circumstances but to argue that with the Racists is pointless.  Much easier to have them condemn themselves out of their own mouths/fingertips.  Are you proud to attack your fellow Australians on the basis of "race"?   Really?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)



Hypocrite

Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by UnSubRocky on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 1:50pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 5:04pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 4:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 1:44pm:
Boring and of course, Racist, Matty.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


If you sat in a courtroom watching indigenous teens mouthing off to a respectable magistrate, you would understand the lack of morals indigenous people who commit crimes have. My town has a car theft problem caused by people who are almost always indigenous. And when you hear about how the courts let the thieves off lightly with sentencing, you know that the indigenous people have developed no respect for the law.


You seem to think the only way to teach respect is with a rod, harsh sentencing.  When Whites start to close the gaps and start to see things from the viewpoint of Indigenous Australians, we might see an improvement in their attitude. ::) ::)


For hundreds of years, we have seen "whites" getting harsh sentencing and corporal punishment for minor offences. Despite the blatant oppression by authorities, "whites" have managed to put together a first-world society enviable by other cultures.

For the past 50 years, or 55 years (if you want to start from indigenous suffrage), whites have been trying to close the gap between indigenous and non-indigenous Australians. Even if you want to round down the number of years for this "closing the gap" to the last 30 years, that is still a good generational timespan that should have ended any socioeconomic issues regarding the racially discriminatory period indigenous people had to endure prior to the 1970s.

I had indigenous people that lived near me that grew up in poverty. Their late teens and early twenties were a time when they turned their lives into respectable middle-income people. One boy grew up to be a labourer. His sister worked in a local government department. In the meantime, we had direct neighbours who were just as indigenous as the first family. These neighbours did not work. Did nothing of value to society. Drink and swear their heads off and abuse their child. If I had that attitude, I would be cut off socially and financially. But, somehow, the family survived for their situation.

I came home from a 3.5-hour shift last night, showered, and went to bed. Yet, I felt I did more in that one night than the lazy bastards do in a fortnight. It is all about changing your attitude. The only people holding back indigenous people from prospering is themselves. I do not see how indigenous people stealing cars, driving them around dangerously, and then torching the cars are going to progress one demographic at all.

Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by UnSubRocky on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 2:09pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 1:34pm:
I am that Australians would treat one another so unfairly, Rocky.  To the Racists, it is all about "Race".  To me, it should be about circumstances but to argue that with the Racists is pointless.  Much easier to have them condemn themselves out of their own mouths/fingertips.  Are you proud to attack your fellow Australians on the basis of "race"?   Really?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


Brian, I have a problem with people who use their race, gender, sexuality, socioeconomic background, disability/impairment, etc., to get away with criminal activity. When you cannot bring yourself to condemning indigenous criminal activity, I cannot find you impartial to the social problems we endure.

Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by Boris on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 2:12pm
Kids in alleged rape of boy, 5, on Cape York
A five-year-old boy was allegedly gang-raped on a beach by other children from a remote Indigenous community on Cape York this month.

Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by Brian Ross on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 2:23pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 2:09pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 1:34pm:
I am that Australians would treat one another so unfairly, Rocky.  To the Racists, it is all about "Race".  To me, it should be about circumstances but to argue that with the Racists is pointless.  Much easier to have them condemn themselves out of their own mouths/fingertips.  Are you proud to attack your fellow Australians on the basis of "race"?   Really?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


Brian, I have a problem with people who use their race, gender, sexuality, socioeconomic background, disability/impairment, etc., to get away with criminal activity. When you cannot bring yourself to condemning indigenous criminal activity, I cannot find you impartial to the social problems we endure.


Who says I do not condemn it, Rocky?  Who says I approve it?  You are reading far more than what I type.  Stop erecting strawman arguments.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by Gnads on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 2:24pm

Boris wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 2:12pm:
Kids in alleged rape of boy, 5, on Cape York
A five-year-old boy was allegedly gang-raped on a beach by other children from a remote Indigenous community on Cape York this month.



Stop parading this in every thread

it happened 2 years ago not this year

read the dates on your articles.

Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by Gnads on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 2:25pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 2:23pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 2:09pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 1:34pm:
I am that Australians would treat one another so unfairly, Rocky.  To the Racists, it is all about "Race".  To me, it should be about circumstances but to argue that with the Racists is pointless.  Much easier to have them condemn themselves out of their own mouths/fingertips.  Are you proud to attack your fellow Australians on the basis of "race"?   Really?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


Brian, I have a problem with people who use their race, gender, sexuality, socioeconomic background, disability/impairment, etc., to get away with criminal activity. When you cannot bring yourself to condemning indigenous criminal activity, I cannot find you impartial to the social problems we endure.


Who says I do not condemn it, Rocky?  Who says I approve it?  You are reading far more than what I type.  Stop erecting strawman arguments.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)



Why should he?

You've got as much guts as a strawman - you need all the help & stuffing you can get.

Title: Re: Boring and Racist?
Post by Frank on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 6:07pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 1:34pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 1:25pm:
You admit to trolling other uses with race-baiting headlines. Meanwhile, other posters post up controversial topics about celebrity news and news in general, irrespective to the racial background of those involved. Some go one way with their views. Others go another. Race does not come into the equation of the debate. But, when you post up topics about indigenous Australians getting special preferential treatment, you do it to provoke people into talking about the unfairness of such an issue, just for the benefit of trying to make it about race.

Are you not a little ashamed?


I am that Australians would treat one another so unfairly, Rocky.  To the Racists, it is all about "Race".  To me, it should be about circumstances but to argue that with the Racists is pointless.  Much easier to have them condemn themselves out of their own mouths/fingertips.  Are you proud to attack your fellow Australians on the basis of "race"?   Really?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


Are you a victim of your circumstances, Bbwian?  Or have you had ANY hand in shaping your own life?

You are a completely dishonest, full of shyte bad faith ijit by pretending that you are a voice for fairness. You are nothing of the sort. You are absolutely not interested in Aborigines. You are ONLY interested in people who call out Aboriginal delinquency, lack of responsibility, violence, chancey opportunism etc. You have ZERO interest in Aborigenes and total and exclusive interest in people who call out Aborigines for fuqqing up their own lives and those around them.


You have no suggestions for solutions, you have no ability to articulate ideas about ANYTHING. You are only interested in calling people racists... and ... er... that is it. You are only ever pipe up to call others racists. Nothing else. Yawns, tut-tuit - and calling others racist. You cannot ever think, only call others racist.
Next breath, you'll argue that there is no such thing as race.

You are a half-wit, with the witless half full of shite, Bbwian. A dishonest, smug, lying shite. You are off the dishonesty scale. Alas, you are not alone.





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