Major companies allow employees option to work on Australia Day
More and more of Australia’s biggest companies are giving the employees the opportunity to ditch the Australia Day public holiday.


News.com.au
December 20, 2022

More Australian companies have green lit policies which mean employees can choose to work on Australia Day public holiday.

Staff at Telstra and Woodside Energy can now choose whether to take January 26 as a public holiday, or choose to work through the day, The Australian reports.

Speaking to the publication, a Telstra spokesperson said employees could work on Australia Day and take the day off on another day.

“This flexibility is built into the Enterprise Agreements our employees voted on earlier this year,” they said.

A similar approach has also been implemented by major financial services firms like Deloitte, KPMG and EY, creative agency Dentsu ANZ, biotechnology firm CSL, investment manager Australian Ethical, mining giant BHP and more recently Channel 10.

Historically, January 26 signifies the day Sir Arthur Phillip arrived in Sydney Cove in 1788 and marks the beginning of British colonisation in Australia. However, sovereignty was never ceded by Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island people.

Growing disapproval of the Australia Day public holiday has also seen the date termed as Invasion Day or Survival Day, with the public holiday marked by celebrations of Indigenous culture, protests and rallies to ‘Abolish the Date’.



Employees at major companies will be able to choose whether they want to partake in the public holiday.

This week The Australian revealed that Channel 10 sent out a company-wide email which stated that January 26 will no loner be referred to as Australia Day.


Co-leads of Paramount Australia and New Zealand, Beverley McGarvey and Jarrod Villani said staff are not required to take the day off and acknowledged the “turbulent history” of the date for First Nations people.

“For our First Nations people, we as an organisation acknowledge that January 26 is not a day of celebration,” the email read.

“We recognise that January 26 evokes different emotions for our employees across the business, and we are receptive to employees who do not feel comfortable taking this day as a public holiday.

“Whether you choose to work on January 26 or take the public holiday, we ask that you reflect and respect the different perspectives and viewpoints of all Australians.”

Channel 10 presenter, Narelda Jacobs has been vocal about her desire to see the date for Australia Day changed.

Albanese government makes big January 26 change

Earlier this month, the Albanese government also declared that citizenship ceremonies could be held on the three days on either side of January 26.

This comes after former Prime Minister Scott Morrison enacted a rule which forced local governments to hold the citizenship ceremonies on January 26, or bypass the ceremony entirely.

Immigration Minister Andrew Giles announced the change and told SBS that holding the ceremony on a non-public holiday would also be most cost-effective for the government.

“Australian citizenship is an important common bond for all Australians, whether by birth or by choice, and lies at the heart of unified, cohesive and inclusive Australia,” he said.

“The government’s priority is to ensure that where people have made the choice to become Australian citizens, they are afforded that opportunity in their own communities with friends and family in a timely way.”

Andrew Giles said local councils can choose to hold citizenship ceremonies on the three days on either side of January 26.

The move also comes as one Melbourne Council announced they would be scrapping the January 26 ceremony unless it was held on a day that is “inclusive to everyone”.

Merri-bek City Council Mayor Angelica Panopoulos said they welcomed the new initiative.

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“We are grateful that the federal government will allow us, and all councils, to listen to our communities and make decisions that are right for us when scheduling citizenship ceremonies in January,” Ms Panopoulos said.

“We will always listen to traditional owners and our First Nations community about matters that are important to them.

Captain Cook landed in Sydney on the 28th of April, 1770 the First Fleet landed at Botany Bay on 18 January, 1788.
On January 26, 1949, the Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948 came into effect. This law created Australian citizenship.
On this Day we all became Australians.

Much as I like him Knight has gone a bit nutty!

;D ;D

whiteknight wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 4:52am:

Major companies allow employees option to work on Australia Day More and more of Australia’s biggest companies are giving the employees the opportunity to ditch the Australia Day public holiday. News.com.au December 20, 2022 More Australian companies have green lit policies which mean employees can choose to work on Australia Day public holiday. Staff at Telstra and Woodside Energy can now choose whether to take January 26 as a public holiday, or choose to work through the day, The Australian reports. Speaking to the publication, a Telstra spokesperson said employees could work on Australia Day and take the day off on another day. “This flexibility is built into the Enterprise Agreements our employees voted on earlier this year,” they said. A similar approach has also been implemented by major financial services firms like Deloitte, KPMG and EY, creative agency Dentsu ANZ, biotechnology firm CSL, investment manager Australian Ethical, mining giant BHP and more recently Channel 10. Historically, January 26 signifies the day Sir Arthur Phillip arrived in Sydney Cove in 1788 and marks the beginning of British colonisation in Australia. However, sovereignty was never ceded by Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island people. Growing disapproval of the Australia Day public holiday has also seen the date termed as Invasion Day or Survival Day, with the public holiday marked by celebrations of Indigenous culture, protests and rallies to ‘Abolish the Date’. Employees at major companies will be able to choose whether they want to partake in the public holiday. This week The Australian revealed that Channel 10 sent out a company-wide email which stated that January 26 will no loner be referred to as Australia Day. Co-leads of Paramount Australia and New Zealand, Beverley McGarvey and Jarrod Villani said staff are not required to take the day off and acknowledged the “turbulent history” of the date for First Nations people. “For our First Nations people, we as an organisation acknowledge that January 26 is not a day of celebration,” the email read. “We recognise that January 26 evokes different emotions for our employees across the business, and we are receptive to employees who do not feel comfortable taking this day as a public holiday. “Whether you choose to work on January 26 or take the public holiday, we ask that you reflect and respect the different perspectives and viewpoints of all Australians.” Channel 10 presenter, Narelda Jacobs has been vocal about her desire to see the date for Australia Day changed. Albanese government makes big January 26 change Earlier this month, the Albanese government also declared that citizenship ceremonies could be held on the three days on either side of January 26. This comes after former Prime Minister Scott Morrison enacted a rule which forced local governments to hold the citizenship ceremonies on January 26, or bypass the ceremony entirely. Immigration Minister Andrew Giles announced the change and told SBS that holding the ceremony on a non-public holiday would also be most cost-effective for the government. “Australian citizenship is an important common bond for all Australians, whether by birth or by choice, and lies at the heart of unified, cohesive and inclusive Australia,” he said. “The government’s priority is to ensure that where people have made the choice to become Australian citizens, they are afforded that opportunity in their own communities with friends and family in a timely way.” Andrew Giles said local councils can choose to hold citizenship ceremonies on the three days on either side of January 26. The move also comes as one Melbourne Council announced they would be scrapping the January 26 ceremony unless it was held on a day that is “inclusive to everyone”. Merri-bek City Council Mayor Angelica Panopoulos said they welcomed the new initiative. More Coverage Channel 10 boycotts Australia Day ‘Unified’: Huge Australia Day change “We are grateful that the federal government will allow us, and all councils, to listen to our communities and make decisions that are right for us when scheduling citizenship ceremonies in January,” Ms Panopoulos said. “We will always listen to traditional owners and our First Nations community about matters that are important to them.

Woke wanker BS ....good on ya WK  ::)

Boris wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 6:06am:

Captain Cook landed in Sydney on the 28th of April, 1770 the First Fleet landed at Botany Bay on 18 January, 1788. On January 26, 1949, the Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948 came into effect. This law created Australian citizenship. On this Day we all became Australians.

Bullshit Boris....Why post crap when it is so easily debunked....January 26 was chosen to celebrate the arival of the first fleet....This is the reason some Australian's believe the date is not appropriate to represent all Australian's!!!


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Professor Frank Bongiorno, from the Australian National University’s School of History, told AAP FactCheck in an email that Australia Day is celebrated on January 26 to mark the date the First Fleet, led by Captain Arthur Phillip, arrived in Sydney Cove in 1788. “The first boat of the First Fleet landed at Botany Bay on 18 January, 1788, but the Fleet then moved to Port Jackson (what became Sydney), where on 26 January 1788, the British flag was raised,”

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https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/no-this-is-not-the-real-reason-australia-day-is-celebrated-on-january-26/

reality


On January 26, 1949, the Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948 came into effect.

This law created Australian citizenship.

On this Day we all became Australians.

Aborigines should call it Liberation Day.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 7:20am:

Boris wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 6:06am: Captain Cook landed in Sydney on the 28th of April, 1770 the First Fleet landed at Botany Bay on 18 January, 1788. On January 26, 1949, the Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948 came into effect. This law created Australian citizenship. On this Day we all became Australians. Bullshit Boris....Why post crap when it is so easily debunked....January 26 was chosen to celebrate the arival of the first fleet....This is the reason some Australian's believe the date is not appropriate to represent all Australian's!!! Quote: Professor Frank Bongiorno, from the Australian National University’s School of History, told AAP FactCheck in an email that Australia Day is celebrated on January 26 to mark the date the First Fleet, led by Captain Arthur Phillip, arrived in Sydney Cove in 1788. “The first boat of the First Fleet landed at Botany Bay on 18 January, 1788, but the Fleet then moved to Port Jackson (what became Sydney), where on 26 January 1788, the British flag was raised,” ::) ::) ::) https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/no-this-is-not-the-real-reason-australia-day-is-celebrated-on-january-26/

Australians when it suits the agenda .... some don't like being called Australian.

Gnads wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 7:41am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 7:20am: Boris wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 6:06am: Captain Cook landed in Sydney on the 28th of April, 1770 the First Fleet landed at Botany Bay on 18 January, 1788. On January 26, 1949, the Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948 came into effect. This law created Australian citizenship. On this Day we all became Australians. Bullshit Boris....Why post crap when it is so easily debunked....January 26 was chosen to celebrate the arival of the first fleet....This is the reason some Australian's believe the date is not appropriate to represent all Australian's!!! Quote: Professor Frank Bongiorno, from the Australian National University’s School of History, told AAP FactCheck in an email that Australia Day is celebrated on January 26 to mark the date the First Fleet, led by Captain Arthur Phillip, arrived in Sydney Cove in 1788. “The first boat of the First Fleet landed at Botany Bay on 18 January, 1788, but the Fleet then moved to Port Jackson (what became Sydney), where on 26 January 1788, the British flag was raised,” ::) ::) ::) https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/no-this-is-not-the-real-reason-australia-day-is-celebrated-on-january-26/ Australians when it suits the agenda .... some don't like being called Australian.

Personally I don't care what date Australia Day is....However celebrating the date that the POMS declared Australia a colony of Mother England obviously doesn't sit well with many Australian's....Then there are arseholes like Boris who have NFI???

:) :) :)

It sits well with most Australians except a handful of Crackpots.

Stop speaking English if you feel that way you moron.

A Public holiday is a public holiday.  Those that work on public holidays, should get the public holiday penalty rates.  Should Australia get more public holidays?.  Here is something to think about.  Argentina the Courtney that just won the world cup has 19 public holidays a year.   :-? 

Boris wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 7:52am:

It sits well with most Australians except a handful of Crackpots. Stop speaking English if you feel that way you moron.

Bullshit Boris....Why post crap when it is so easily debunked....You have NFI do you???


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* 59.8 per cent collectively support changing the date of Australia Day, compared with 31.6 per cent who do not *59.9 per cent indicated it was likely Australia Day would be moved from 26 January in the next ten 10 years

Dickhead!!!

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https://councilmagazine.com.au/survey-shows-support-for-changing-australia-day-date-in-melbourne/#:~:text=59.8%20per%20cent%20collectively%20support,the%20next%20ten%2010%20years

https://www.deakin.edu.au/research/research-news-and-publications/articles/60-of-australians-want-to-keep-australia-day-on-january-26,-but-those-under-35-disagree

https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/nearly-two-thirds-of-australians-65-say-january-26-should-be-known-as-australia-day-up-6-points-on-a-year-ago

https://www.9news.com.au/national/australia-day-date-change-nearly-50-per-cent-of-australians-against-moving-date-from-january-26/97738c6f-7ec8-4f5f-b815-3b8adc73a539

whiteknight wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 8:09am:

A Public holiday is a public holiday.  Those that work on public holidays, should get the public holiday penalty rates.  Should Australia get more public holidays?.  Here is something to think about.  Argentina the Courtney that just won the world cup has 19 public holidays a year.   :-?

Argentina also has a crumbling economy so I wouldnt use it as a great example old mate!

;)

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 8:20am:

Boris wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 7:52am: It sits well with most Australians except a handful of Crackpots. Stop speaking English if you feel that way you moron. Bullshit Boris....Why post crap when it is so easily debunked....You have NFI do you??? Quote: * 59.8 per cent collectively support changing the date of Australia Day, compared with 31.6 per cent who do not *59.9 per cent indicated it was likely Australia Day would be moved from 26 January in the next ten 10 years Dickhead!!! ::) ::) ::) https://councilmagazine.com.au/survey-shows-support-for-changing-australia-day-date-in-melbourne/#:~:text=59.8%20per%20cent%20collectively%20support,the%20next%20ten%2010%20years https://www.deakin.edu.au/research/research-news-and-publications/articles/60-of-australians-want-to-keep-australia-day-on-january-26,-but-those-under-35-disagree https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/nearly-two-thirds-of-australians-65-say-january-26-should-be-known-as-australia-day-up-6-points-on-a-year-ago https://www.9news.com.au/national/australia-day-date-change-nearly-50-per-cent-of-australians-against-moving-date-from-january-26/97738c6f-7ec8-4f5f-b815-3b8adc73a539

Stop speaking English hypocrite.

Boris wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 8:28am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 8:20am: Boris wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 7:52am: It sits well with most Australians except a handful of Crackpots. Stop speaking English if you feel that way you moron. Bullshit Boris....Why post crap when it is so easily debunked....You have NFI do you??? Quote: * 59.8 per cent collectively support changing the date of Australia Day, compared with 31.6 per cent who do not *59.9 per cent indicated it was likely Australia Day would be moved from 26 January in the next ten 10 years Dickhead!!! ::) ::) ::) https://councilmagazine.com.au/survey-shows-support-for-changing-australia-day-date-in-melbourne/#:~:text=59.8%20per%20cent%20collectively%20support,the%20next%20ten%2010%20years https://www.deakin.edu.au/research/research-news-and-publications/articles/60-of-australians-want-to-keep-australia-day-on-january-26,-but-those-under-35-disagree https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/nearly-two-thirds-of-australians-65-say-january-26-should-be-known-as-australia-day-up-6-points-on-a-year-ago https://www.9news.com.au/national/australia-day-date-change-nearly-50-per-cent-of-australians-against-moving-date-from-january-26/97738c6f-7ec8-4f5f-b815-3b8adc73a539 Stop speaking English hypocrite.

You cant even comprehend English ya racist dickhead....I was stating facts and exposing your complete bullshit not advocating for any change of the date....You have NFI do you???


philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 7:49am:

Personally I don't care what date Australia Day is....However celebrating the date that the POMS declared Australia a colony of Mother England obviously doesn't sit well with many Australian's....Then there are arseholes like Boris who have NFI???

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How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct.
Benjamin Disraeli (1804 - 1881), speech, January 24, 1860

If people want to work on a public holiday then that's entirely up to them. No need to bring the anti-Australian politics of the woke bedwetters  into it.

We'll pass on that opportunity.

Belgarion wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:00am:

If people want to work on a public holiday then that's entirely up to them. No need to bring the anti-Australian politics of the woke bedwetters  into it.

Better still - time to put them to a stop.

Frank wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 7:30am:

Aborigines should call it Liberation Day.

Enlightenment Day?  Civilisation Day? Cargo Cult Day?

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 8:45am:

Boris wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 8:28am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 8:20am: Boris wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 7:52am: It sits well with most Australians except a handful of Crackpots. Stop speaking English if you feel that way you moron. Bullshit Boris....Why post crap when it is so easily debunked....You have NFI do you??? Quote: * 59.8 per cent collectively support changing the date of Australia Day, compared with 31.6 per cent who do not *59.9 per cent indicated it was likely Australia Day would be moved from 26 January in the next ten 10 years Dickhead!!! ::) ::) ::) https://councilmagazine.com.au/survey-shows-support-for-changing-australia-day-date-in-melbourne/#:~:text=59.8%20per%20cent%20collectively%20support,the%20next%20ten%2010%20years https://www.deakin.edu.au/research/research-news-and-publications/articles/60-of-australians-want-to-keep-australia-day-on-january-26,-but-those-under-35-disagree https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/nearly-two-thirds-of-australians-65-say-january-26-should-be-known-as-australia-day-up-6-points-on-a-year-ago https://www.9news.com.au/national/australia-day-date-change-nearly-50-per-cent-of-australians-against-moving-date-from-january-26/97738c6f-7ec8-4f5f-b815-3b8adc73a539 Stop speaking English hypocrite. You cant even comprehend English ya racist dickhead....I was stating facts and exposing your complete bullshit not advocating for any change of the date....You have NFI do you??? philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 7:49am: Personally I don't care what date Australia Day is....However celebrating the date that the POMS declared Australia a colony of Mother England obviously doesn't sit well with many Australian's....Then there are arseholes like Boris who have NFI??? ::) ::) ::) How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct. Benjamin Disraeli (1804 - 1881), speech, January 24, 1860

Why are you speaking English?

I am British - Australia is British. Royal Australian Navy - Royal Australian Air Force. British Parliament, British Law, Cricket, etc etc etc

Perhaps you would be more comfortable in China where they have none of those things you hate so much.

The Political elite told us we wanted to be a Republic - and the referendum said No. The political elite told us we hate the Royals and then the Queen dies - and the Australians grieved.

The political Elite tell us all kinds of crap - that only fools like you believe.

If they're not prepared to respect our culture and celebrate the day Australia first became a nation - they can all simply be deported.

Told yez I was looking forward to the stoush that would begin... all the usual whiners who get such great advantage out of Australia... Papadopoulos - parents came here to attain prosperity and a better life... Albanese... all the rest with names full of vowels who couldn't wait to get out of their family's historical impoverished violence-ridden turd factory and find a better life... now they want to poo all over it.

Told you this concept of divide and conquer was installed by politicians via oddball immigration and so forth until the common Australian type has lost all political power and is prey to every whiner that comes along with a name full of vowels....

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Belgarion wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:00am:

If people want to work on a public holiday then that's entirely up to them. No need to bring the anti-Australian politics of the woke bedwetters  into it.

Explain how wanting to change a symbolic date makes someone anti-Australian....The debate comes up every Jan 26, it won't go away because of your right wing leanings....Put forward a valid argument against changing the date instead of arguing irellivant bullshit???

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philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:11am:

Belgarion wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:00am: If people want to work on a public holiday then that's entirely up to them. No need to bring the anti-Australian politics of the woke bedwetters  into it. Explain how wanting to change a symbolic date makes someone anti-Australian....The debate comes up every Jan 26, it won't go away because of your right wing leanings....Put forward a valid argument against changing the date instead of arguing irellivant bullshit??? ::) ::) ::)

Australia Day - pretty simple..... you want to change it, do so from your Old Country and leave us in peace...

There is no need to put forward ANY argument against changing the date - there is no argument for changing the date.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:11am:

Belgarion wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:00am: If people want to work on a public holiday then that's entirely up to them. No need to bring the anti-Australian politics of the woke bedwetters  into it. Explain how wanting to change a symbolic date makes someone anti-Australian....The debate comes up every Jan 26, it won't go away because of your right wing leanings....Put forward a valid argument against changing the date instead of arguing irellivant bullshit??? ::) ::) ::)

How about a valid argument as to why it should be changed? But there isn't one, is there?

Boris wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:10am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 8:45am: Boris wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 8:28am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 8:20am: Boris wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 7:52am: It sits well with most Australians except a handful of Crackpots. Stop speaking English if you feel that way you moron. Bullshit Boris....Why post crap when it is so easily debunked....You have NFI do you??? Quote: * 59.8 per cent collectively support changing the date of Australia Day, compared with 31.6 per cent who do not *59.9 per cent indicated it was likely Australia Day would be moved from 26 January in the next ten 10 years Dickhead!!! ::) ::) ::) https://councilmagazine.com.au/survey-shows-support-for-changing-australia-day-date-in-melbourne/#:~:text=59.8%20per%20cent%20collectively%20support,the%20next%20ten%2010%20years https://www.deakin.edu.au/research/research-news-and-publications/articles/60-of-australians-want-to-keep-australia-day-on-january-26,-but-those-under-35-disagree https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/nearly-two-thirds-of-australians-65-say-january-26-should-be-known-as-australia-day-up-6-points-on-a-year-ago https://www.9news.com.au/national/australia-day-date-change-nearly-50-per-cent-of-australians-against-moving-date-from-january-26/97738c6f-7ec8-4f5f-b815-3b8adc73a539 Stop speaking English hypocrite. You cant even comprehend English ya racist dickhead....I was stating facts and exposing your complete bullshit not advocating for any change of the date....You have NFI do you??? philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 7:49am: Personally I don't care what date Australia Day is....However celebrating the date that the POMS declared Australia a colony of Mother England obviously doesn't sit well with many Australian's....Then there are arseholes like Boris who have NFI??? ::) ::) ::) How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct. Benjamin Disraeli (1804 - 1881), speech, January 24, 1860 Why are you speaking English? I am British - Australia is British. Royal Australian Navy - Royal Australian Air Force. British Parliament, British Law, Cricket, etc etc etc Perhaps you would be more comfortable in China where they have none of those things you hate so much. The Political elite told us we wanted to be a Republic - and the referendum said No. The political elite told us we hate the Royals and then the Queen dies - and the Australians grieved. The political Elite tell us all kinds of crap - that only fools like you believe.

You assume a lot you smacking dickhead....You put forward no argument just troll and sprout insults....I do not avocate any position on changing the date....You are ignoring the facts I posted to expose your bullshit and are now trying to provoke me with irrelivant trash talk....You are full of crap Boris and have been exposed....Being Australian has nothing to do with symbolism you dickhead!!!

BTW....Piss off back to mother England you POME bastard....You have no right to decide what Australians wan't!!!

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There is nothing worse than aggressive stupidity.
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749 - 1832)

... and if people don't care what day it's on - all these late-comers who know nothing about Australia but want to own and run it for us - there is no point in even discussing changing it...

All national days should be banned here - no day off for anyone from any Outlander nation any more...

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Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:22am:

... and if people don't care what day it's on - all these late-comers who know nothing about Australia but want to own and run it for us - there is no point in even discussing changing it... All national days should be banned here - no day off for anyone from any Outlander nation any more... https://i.imgflip.com/750jrt.jpg

Most Australian's want to change the date....The White Ausrtralia policy is gone....Some people are just racist low life scum who have NFI???

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Never try to reason the prejudice out of a man. It was not reasoned into him, and cannot be reasoned out.
Sydney Smith (1771 - 1845)

What utter rubbish - most Australians do not want to change it...

Anyway - looks like we'll have to enforce a three generations before you can stand for public office rule .... all these blow-ins just want to change things for any silly reason... primarily their own ethnic characteristic of the engine is running hard but the clutch is gone in the mind...

Been warning yez for ages about the true import of immigration (lack of) policy and its long term aim.... to re educe the personal power and earning capacity of the Australian voter and thus give governments and their offices a free run to do as they choose... politics of division and exclusion, up to and including that direct assault called 'affirmative action'.

"Some people are just racist low life scum who have NFI???"

;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

You can always pack your bags and leave, kid.....most people are not running around demanding that everything be changed to suit them .... they're just getting on with it... so it's clear the only racists here are those pushing for changes to everything on the base of their colour or ethnic group.

Belgarion wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:14am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:11am: Belgarion wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:00am: If people want to work on a public holiday then that's entirely up to them. No need to bring the anti-Australian politics of the woke bedwetters  into it. Explain how wanting to change a symbolic date makes someone anti-Australian....The debate comes up every Jan 26, it won't go away because of your right wing leanings....Put forward a valid argument against changing the date instead of arguing irellivant bullshit??? ::) ::) ::) How about a valid argument as to why it should be changed? But there isn't one, is there?

The main Argument is that having the date celebrate the day the first nations people were colonized and Australia was declared British land....This does not sit well with many Australian's who have no link too British ancesstory....Why not change the date so all Australian's can celebrate if they wish....Patriotism is bullshit anyway IMO???

Here are some reasons if you actually give a crap???

https://www.australianethical.com.au/blog/australia-day-why-we-need-to-change-the-date/#:~:text=There%20are%20many%20things%20we,of%20mourning%20rather%20than%20celebration.

https://crescentwealth.com.au/articles/8-reasons-why-the-date-for-australia-day-should-be-changed/

https://www.news.com.au/national/why-australia-day-has-to-change-from-january-26/news-story/e9cc240a65f3da20ada71ef0dfae79ca

Now explain how wanting to change a symbolic date makes someone anti-Australian???

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"Australia was declared British land....This does not sit well with many Australian's who have no link too British ancesstory..."

They can always pack their bags .... no problem..... if they don't like what they fled to from their turd factory, they can lump it... not our problem ....

Most of us here have no link to their ancestry, either - and we're not going to change our ways to suit them ... any time you feel like immigrating to some country and starting to demand that they ditch their national day, feel free.... in most you'd be deported, or imprisoned or shot....or locked in a mental asylum ...

Now then - about that need to change our immigration policies.....

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:39am:

"Some people are just racist low life scum who have NFI???" ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D You can always pack your bags and leave, kid.....most people are not running around demanding that everything be changed to suit them .... they're just getting on with it... so it's clear the only racists here are those pushing for changes to everything on the base of their colour or ethnic group.

I am over 50 you patronizing old wanker....I don't advocate for changing the date, I have presented facts which you are too stupid to comprehend....Your arguments are purile and based on your own belief you are racially superior....You are a dluded old racist with little to offer any debate IMO!!!

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Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:44am:

"Australia was declared British land....This does not sit well with many Australian's who have no link too British ancesstory..." They can always pack their bags .... no problem..... if they don't like what they fled to from their turd factory, they can lump it... not our problem .... Most of us here have no link to their ancestry, either - and we're not going to change our ways to suit them ... any time you feel like immigrating to some country and starting to demand that they ditch their national day, feel free.... in most you'd be deported, or imprisoned or shot....or locked in a mental asylum ... Now then - about that need to change our immigration policies.....

It's not up to you you deluded old fool....In Australia we are allowed to debate issues and accept other people's point of view when they have a valid argument....Your white supremist views prevent you from being objective....Piss off back to mother England if you like it so much!!!

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philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:49am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:39am: "Some people are just racist low life scum who have NFI???" ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D You can always pack your bags and leave, kid.....most people are not running around demanding that everything be changed to suit them .... they're just getting on with it... so it's clear the only racists here are those pushing for changes to everything on the base of their colour or ethnic group. I am over 50 you patronizing old wanker....I don't advocate for changing the date, I have presented facts which you are too stupid to comprehend....Your arguments are purile and based on your own belief you are racially superior....You are a dluded old racist with little to offer anY debate IMO!!! ::) ::) ::)

Still plenty of time to find a new country that you can love.  If you're not advocating for it, why are you posting all those things and arguing to change it?  Are you awake in there?

Once more - for the deluded you - head off to some new country and tell them you want their national day changed.... see how you go.

You really are off the planet - you've presented no facts - you've presented emotional monologues designed by idiots to suit an agenda with no idea.

Love it or leave it.... the flags will be out on AUSTRALIA Day and if you don't want to be part of it - pack your bags.

Racially superior?  I'm not the one demanding change .......... it's the Abos and all the WOGs with their strange ways and demented ideas of what their office here gives them ... when I get around demanding changes from them I'll let you know.

Christ you're stupid.... utterly laughable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q7PULELvok

Your kind of idiot - the post-Boomers fed on soft soap and bullshit - are the dopiest problem this country faces at this time with all your silliness... you wouldn't even begin to understand equal treatment and reality... this song was written in the 1930's by an avowed Communist....depends on your kind of Communist, eh, as opposed to your kind of petty backyard Fascist who thinks he can just bully everyone into taking whatever you want to hand out.

You lost, boy ........... as parents of your generation we did society a terrible dis-service by making things too easy for you......

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Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:56am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:49am: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:39am: "Some people are just racist low life scum who have NFI???" ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D You can always pack your bags and leave, kid.....most people are not running around demanding that everything be changed to suit them .... they're just getting on with it... so it's clear the only racists here are those pushing for changes to everything on the base of their colour or ethnic group. I am over 50 you patronizing old wanker....I don't advocate for changing the date, I have presented facts which you are too stupid to comprehend....Your arguments are purile and based on your own belief you are racially superior....You are a deluded old racist with little to offer any debate IMO!!! ::) ::) ::) Still plenty of time to find a new country that you can love.  If you're not advocating for it, why are you posting all those things and arguing to change it?  Are you awake in there? Once more - for the deluded you - head off to some new country and tell them you want their national day changed.... see how you go. You really are off the planet - you've presented no facts - you've presented emotional monologues designed by idiots to suit an agenda with no idea. Love it or leave it.... the flags will be out on AUSTRALIA Day and if you don't want to be part of it - pack your bags. Racially superior?  I'm not the one demanding change .......... it's the Abos and all the WOGs with their strange ways and demented ideas of what their office here gives them ... when I get around demanding changes from them I'll let you know. Christ you're stupid.... utterly laughable.

I never advocated for change you silly old man....How inmature I posted links debunking Boris's bullshit you ignorant wanker....I have explained why some people are advocating to change the date to try and inform the debate....Why is changing a symbolic date so opposed by right wing extremists....I could not care less but accept there is a valid argument to change the date....You are not interested in contructive debate and your arguments are purile, juvinile and have no value accept to provoke ridicule....You are a dickhead mate!!!

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philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:43am:

Belgarion wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:14am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:11am: Belgarion wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:00am: If people want to work on a public holiday then that's entirely up to them. No need to bring the anti-Australian politics of the woke bedwetters  into it. Explain how wanting to change a symbolic date makes someone anti-Australian....The debate comes up every Jan 26, it won't go away because of your right wing leanings....Put forward a valid argument against changing the date instead of arguing irellivant bullshit??? ::) ::) ::) How about a valid argument as to why it should be changed? But there isn't one, is there? The main Argument is that having the date celebrate the day the first nations people were colonized and Australia was declared British land....This does not sit well with many Australian's who have no link too British ancesstory....Why not change the date so all Australian's can celebrate if they wish....Patriotism is bullshit anyway IMO??? Here are some reasons if you actually give a crap??? https://www.australianethical.com.au/blog/australia-day-why-we-need-to-change-the-date/#:~:text=There%20are%20many%20things%20we,of%20mourning%20rather%20than%20celebration. https://crescentwealth.com.au/articles/8-reasons-why-the-date-for-australia-day-should-be-changed/ https://www.news.com.au/national/why-australia-day-has-to-change-from-january-26/news-story/e9cc240a65f3da20ada71ef0dfae79ca Now explain how wanting to change a symbolic date makes someone anti-Australian??? ::) ::) ::)

All the references you cited boil down to one thing. A pack of recent arrivals are annoyed that Australians of Anglo-Celtic ancestry founded this nation and made it one of the best places in the world to live and so want to remove any references to their achievements. The have co-opted the professional Aboriginals who care nothing for their own disadvantaged people to help them with this.

Belgarion wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 10:34am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:43am: Belgarion wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:14am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:11am: Belgarion wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:00am: If people want to work on a public holiday then that's entirely up to them. No need to bring the anti-Australian politics of the woke bedwetters  into it. Explain how wanting to change a symbolic date makes someone anti-Australian....The debate comes up every Jan 26, it won't go away because of your right wing leanings....Put forward a valid argument against changing the date instead of arguing irellivant bullshit??? ::) ::) ::) How about a valid argument as to why it should be changed? But there isn't one, is there? The main Argument is that having the date celebrate the day the first nations people were colonized and Australia was declared British land....This does not sit well with many Australian's who have no link too British ancesstory....Why not change the date so all Australian's can celebrate if they wish....Patriotism is bullshit anyway IMO??? Here are some reasons if you actually give a crap??? https://www.australianethical.com.au/blog/australia-day-why-we-need-to-change-the-date/#:~:text=There%20are%20many%20things%20we,of%20mourning%20rather%20than%20celebration. https://crescentwealth.com.au/articles/8-reasons-why-the-date-for-australia-day-should-be-changed/ https://www.news.com.au/national/why-australia-day-has-to-change-from-january-26/news-story/e9cc240a65f3da20ada71ef0dfae79ca Now explain how wanting to change a symbolic date makes someone anti-Australian??? ::) ::) ::) All the references you cited boil down to one thing. A pack of recent arrivals are annoyed that Australians of Anglo-Celtic ancestry founded this nation and made it one of the best places in the world to live and so want to remove any references to their achievements. The have co-opted the professional Aboriginals who care nothing for their own disadvantaged people to help them with this.

Not quite Belgarion.  I am an Australian of Anglo-Celtic origins and I would like the date change.  Let NSW celebrate the 26th of January.  It is the date of their establishment as a colony.  The rest of Australia has traditionally celebrated "Australia Day" on dates they felt were more appropriate to them.  I would prefer 1 January as the date that Australia was created.    ::) ::)

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 10:34am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:56am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:49am: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:39am: "Some people are just racist low life scum who have NFI???" ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D You can always pack your bags and leave, kid.....most people are not running around demanding that everything be changed to suit them .... they're just getting on with it... so it's clear the only racists here are those pushing for changes to everything on the base of their colour or ethnic group. I am over 50 you patronizing old wanker....I don't advocate for changing the date, I have presented facts which you are too stupid to comprehend....Your arguments are purile and based on your own belief you are racially superior....You are a deluded old racist with little to offer any debate IMO!!! ::) ::) ::) Still plenty of time to find a new country that you can love.  If you're not advocating for it, why are you posting all those things and arguing to change it?  Are you awake in there? Once more - for the deluded you - head off to some new country and tell them you want their national day changed.... see how you go. You really are off the planet - you've presented no facts - you've presented emotional monologues designed by idiots to suit an agenda with no idea. Love it or leave it.... the flags will be out on AUSTRALIA Day and if you don't want to be part of it - pack your bags. Racially superior?  I'm not the one demanding change .......... it's the Abos and all the WOGs with their strange ways and demented ideas of what their office here gives them ... when I get around demanding changes from them I'll let you know. Christ you're stupid.... utterly laughable. I never advocated for change you silly old man....How inmature I posted links debunking Boris's bullshit you ignorant wanker....I have explained why some people are advocating to change the date to try and inform the debate....Why is changing a symbolic date so opposed by right wing extremists....I could not care less but accept there is a valid argument to change the date....You are not interested in contructive debate and your arguments are purile, juvinile and have no value accept to provoke ridicule....You are a dickhead mate!!! :) :) :)

Of course not!  You just posted the absurd lie that most Australians want to change the date, trotted out a few ridiculous links to self-interested persons and groups, and demanded reasons why it shouldn't be changed.

That's not advocating for anything, phil... sure... sure... we all believe you...

Christ you're thick.  Nice to see you on the back foot now and desperately defending...  ooooh - I didn't say that... no.. no... I didn't lay about me at anyone who said it was a silly idea and requested a valid reason for changing it  (there are none) ... true story!!

That's not advocating anything..... just building my stupid self an opportunity to call other people names for treating a silly idea with contempt and expecting fair and equal treatment all round for everyone just like with the national parks (non) issue - respect our culture or piss off!!  YOU and your kind are the racists and the problem...

So now it's 'some people' and not 'most'... well, well, well.... keep back pedaling, sonny and you'll soon be in South Africa where you can tell them to change their national day ....

Why is changing a date so important to Fascist extremists intent on ruling the roost with their silly ideas?

You are clearly mad, son... seeing everyone who just says NO to your outrage a 'right wing extremist'... clearly insane.  It's you and your WOG and Abo mates kicking up a stink about changing a date for no reason who are the dickheads...mate.  Nobody else would say a word if you didn't start it every year over and over with the same bullshit... so YOU are the right wing extremist Fascist scumbags here... and you should all be on the next boat out...

Now bugger off and find a life somewhere valuable, you moron.... say ... Iran where you can tell them to change their national day or else...

Belgarion wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 10:34am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:43am: Belgarion wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:14am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:11am: Belgarion wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:00am: If people want to work on a public holiday then that's entirely up to them. No need to bring the anti-Australian politics of the woke bedwetters  into it. Explain how wanting to change a symbolic date makes someone anti-Australian....The debate comes up every Jan 26, it won't go away because of your right wing leanings....Put forward a valid argument against changing the date instead of arguing irellivant bullshit??? ::) ::) ::) How about a valid argument as to why it should be changed? But there isn't one, is there? The main Argument is that having the date celebrate the day the first nations people were colonized and Australia was declared British land....This does not sit well with many Australian's who have no link too British ancesstory....Why not change the date so all Australian's can celebrate if they wish....Patriotism is bullshit anyway IMO??? Here are some reasons if you actually give a crap??? https://www.australianethical.com.au/blog/australia-day-why-we-need-to-change-the-date/#:~:text=There%20are%20many%20things%20we,of%20mourning%20rather%20than%20celebration. https://crescentwealth.com.au/articles/8-reasons-why-the-date-for-australia-day-should-be-changed/ https://www.news.com.au/national/why-australia-day-has-to-change-from-january-26/news-story/e9cc240a65f3da20ada71ef0dfae79ca Now explain how wanting to change a symbolic date makes someone anti-Australian??? ::) ::) ::) All the references you cited boil down to one thing. A pack of recent arrivals are annoyed that Australians of Anglo-Celtic ancestry founded this nation and made it one of the best places in the world to live and so want to remove any references to their achievements. The have co-opted the professional Aboriginals who care nothing for their own disadvantaged people to help them with this.

It's symbolic mate....Some people believe the date does not represent all Australian's and they have a valid argument....I don't give a toss and only care about the public holiday to drink some beer and play some pool with my mates....The argument won't go away because some red necks oppose it for some reason....Why do you want to celebrate the POMS bringing their convicts here???

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philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 8:20am:

Boris wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 7:52am: It sits well with most Australians except a handful of Crackpots. Stop speaking English if you feel that way you moron. Bullshit Boris....Why post crap when it is so easily debunked....You have NFI do you??? Quote: * 59.8 per cent collectively support changing the date of Australia Day, compared with 31.6 per cent who do not *59.9 per cent indicated it was likely Australia Day would be moved from 26 January in the next ten 10 years Dickhead!!! ::) ::) ::) https://councilmagazine.com.au/survey-shows-support-for-changing-australia-day-date-in-melbourne/#:~:text=59.8%20per%20cent%20collectively%20support,the%20next%20ten%2010%20years https://www.deakin.edu.au/research/research-news-and-publications/articles/60-of-australians-want-to-keep-australia-day-on-january-26,-but-those-under-35-disagree https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/nearly-two-thirds-of-australians-65-say-january-26-should-be-known-as-australia-day-up-6-points-on-a-year-ago https://www.9news.com.au/national/australia-day-date-change-nearly-50-per-cent-of-australians-against-moving-date-from-january-26/97738c6f-7ec8-4f5f-b815-3b8adc73a539

Apart from your first link of only Melbournians, your other links actually support the fact that the majority of Australians do not want Australia Day changed.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 10:44am:

It's symbolic mate....Some people believe the date does not represent all Australian's and they have a valid argument....I don't give a toss and only care about the public holiday to drink some beer and play some pool with my mates....The argument won't go away because some red necks oppose it for some reason....Why do you want to celebrate the POMS bringing their convicts here??? :-? :-? :-?

Well ..... it's symbolic mate........... and a few imports and malcontents do not represent all Australians who are happy to have a National Day for whatever reason... symbolic of the nation being here and having the fine values it does that enable all those blow-ins and malcontents to even get up and make their silly demands over nothing...

Australia Day won't go away because some sallownecks oppose it for some reason(s)..... nothing to do with the poms - everything to do with this nation being here same as every other nation has its national day....

Love it or leave it........ and never forget that the racists here are those who are demanding changes just to suit their tiny minds and tiny groups.... any blow-ins who don't like it here are welcome to piss off any time they want.... all those who speak up about this stupidity year after year are doing very well out of this country, so they can stick it.

Black Orchid wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 10:54am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 8:20am: Boris wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 7:52am: It sits well with most Australians except a handful of Crackpots. Stop speaking English if you feel that way you moron. Bullshit Boris....Why post crap when it is so easily debunked....You have NFI do you??? Quote: * 59.8 per cent collectively support changing the date of Australia Day, compared with 31.6 per cent who do not *59.9 per cent indicated it was likely Australia Day would be moved from 26 January in the next ten 10 years Dickhead!!! ::) ::) ::) https://councilmagazine.com.au/survey-shows-support-for-changing-australia-day-date-in-melbourne/#:~:text=59.8%20per%20cent%20collectively%20support,the%20next%20ten%2010%20years https://www.deakin.edu.au/research/research-news-and-publications/articles/60-of-australians-want-to-keep-australia-day-on-january-26,-but-those-under-35-disagree https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/nearly-two-thirds-of-australians-65-say-january-26-should-be-known-as-australia-day-up-6-points-on-a-year-ago https://www.9news.com.au/national/australia-day-date-change-nearly-50-per-cent-of-australians-against-moving-date-from-january-26/97738c6f-7ec8-4f5f-b815-3b8adc73a539 Apart from your first link of only Melbournians, your other links actually support the fact that the majority of Australians do not want Australia Day changed.

Like I said....I informed the debate I do not advocate any particular position....Why anyone accept those who believe the date doesn't represent them gives a toss is vauge....There Argument seems to be if you want to change the date you are un-Australian and those that believe they are not represented can go back to where they came from....It is symbolic bullshit anyway which has no significance accept pumped up patriotism and an excuse for a piss up!!!

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philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 11:08am:

Black Orchid wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 10:54am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 8:20am: Boris wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 7:52am: It sits well with most Australians except a handful of Crackpots. Stop speaking English if you feel that way you moron. Bullshit Boris....Why post crap when it is so easily debunked....You have NFI do you??? Quote: * 59.8 per cent collectively support changing the date of Australia Day, compared with 31.6 per cent who do not *59.9 per cent indicated it was likely Australia Day would be moved from 26 January in the next ten 10 years Dickhead!!! ::) ::) ::) https://councilmagazine.com.au/survey-shows-support-for-changing-australia-day-date-in-melbourne/#:~:text=59.8%20per%20cent%20collectively%20support,the%20next%20ten%2010%20years https://www.deakin.edu.au/research/research-news-and-publications/articles/60-of-australians-want-to-keep-australia-day-on-january-26,-but-those-under-35-disagree https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/nearly-two-thirds-of-australians-65-say-january-26-should-be-known-as-australia-day-up-6-points-on-a-year-ago https://www.9news.com.au/national/australia-day-date-change-nearly-50-per-cent-of-australians-against-moving-date-from-january-26/97738c6f-7ec8-4f5f-b815-3b8adc73a539 Apart from your first link of only Melbournians, your other links actually support the fact that the majority of Australians do not want Australia Day changed. Like I said....I informed the debate I do not advocate any particular position....Why anyone accept those who believe the date doesn't represent them gives a toss is vauge....There Argument seems to be if you want to change the date you are un-Australian and those that believe they are not represented can go back to where they came from....It is symbolic bullshit anyway which has no significance accept pumped up patriotism and an excuse for a piss up!!! [smiley=beer.gif] [smiley=beer.gif] [smiley=beer.gif]

I haven't read the whole thread and I imagine it's just more of the same but as far as I am concerned we are ALL (or should consider ourselves to be) Australians and should celebrate accordingly (or not) so constantly advocating for the change of date and/or name is just partisan identity politics and as such should be treated as same.


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Black Orchid wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 11:14am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 11:08am: Black Orchid wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 10:54am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 8:20am: Boris wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 7:52am: It sits well with most Australians except a handful of Crackpots. Stop speaking English if you feel that way you moron. Bullshit Boris....Why post crap when it is so easily debunked....You have NFI do you??? Quote: * 59.8 per cent collectively support changing the date of Australia Day, compared with 31.6 per cent who do not *59.9 per cent indicated it was likely Australia Day would be moved from 26 January in the next ten 10 years Dickhead!!! ::) ::) ::) https://councilmagazine.com.au/survey-shows-support-for-changing-australia-day-date-in-melbourne/#:~:text=59.8%20per%20cent%20collectively%20support,the%20next%20ten%2010%20years https://www.deakin.edu.au/research/research-news-and-publications/articles/60-of-australians-want-to-keep-australia-day-on-january-26,-but-those-under-35-disagree https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/nearly-two-thirds-of-australians-65-say-january-26-should-be-known-as-australia-day-up-6-points-on-a-year-ago https://www.9news.com.au/national/australia-day-date-change-nearly-50-per-cent-of-australians-against-moving-date-from-january-26/97738c6f-7ec8-4f5f-b815-3b8adc73a539 Apart from your first link of only Melbournians, your other links actually support the fact that the majority of Australians do not want Australia Day changed. Like I said....I informed the debate I do not advocate any particular position....Why anyone accept those who believe the date doesn't represent them gives a toss is vauge....There Argument seems to be if you want to change the date you are un-Australian and those that believe they are not represented can go back to where they came from....It is symbolic bullshit anyway which has no significance accept pumped up patriotism and an excuse for a piss up!!! [smiley=beer.gif] [smiley=beer.gif] [smiley=beer.gif] I haven't read the whole thread and I imagine it's just more of the same but as far as I am concerned we are ALL (or should consider ourselves to be) Australians and should celebrate accordingly (or not) so constantly advocating for the change of date and/or name is just partisan identity politics and as such should be treated as same. [smiley=beer.gif] [smiley=beer.gif] [smiley=beer.gif]

As the date represents the decleration that Australia is now a colony of Mother England, don't you accept that our first Australian's and immigrants from other countries do not feel the date is appropriate....The date is symbolic and means nothing too me!!!

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philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 11:08am:

Like I said....I informed the debate I do not advocate any particular position....Why anyone accept those who believe the date doesn't represent them gives a toss is vauge....There Argument seems to be if you want to change the date you are un-Australian and those that believe they are not represented can go back to where they came from....It is symbolic bullshit anyway which has no significance accept pumped up patriotism and an excuse for a piss up!!! [smiley=beer.gif] [smiley=beer.gif] [smiley=beer.gif]

Very twisted non-reasoning there - so what if a few don't think Australia Day represents them?  Their loss and they can always hand back their citizenship and all benefits including refunds for past payments etc.

Why should a nation bow down to the stupid demands of a few people who simply 'feel' the national day doesn't represent them?  Tough titties.  WGAF how they feel?  THEIR problem!  Like that Papadopoulos sheila mayor of something or other down there in Occupied Victoria... doing well out of a country she chooses to poo on .. maybe she should try it on in Greece..... WOULDN'T CROSS HER MIND THERE FOR ONE SECOND, RIGHT - GREEK NATIONAL DAY IS SACRED, RIGHT??

As usual, you get everything back to front.  Is that... like .... a Western Australian thing or something?  The water or the education system or maybe the fact that it's on the wrong side of Australia?

Nobody has to argue to keep the date - and nobody has yet produced a solid argument as to why it should be changed... feelings don't count .... and it is they who have the need to justify their position, not those happy with the status quo.

Weird, son - just plain weird.  You are like Lefty - come here doing all the attacking and then try to make out you are the victim... same as some young terrorist can go to Mt Warning to smash cars of visitors and then be the victim for being arrested or prevented from the crime .... it's a sheila thing, you know... the kind of thing that has taken over Australia and turned it into a wasteland of whining ball-less losers.

No 'ditching' of a public holiday there - just an idea ....a mind balloon - that maybe some people would rather work and take another day off.... nobody is stopping them refusing penalty rates for working on a public holiday... though you'd think AlboCorp would object to that kind of sneaky end-run by 'management'.... but then - it's not in their agenda, eh?

Stupid idea anyway.... only a few would want to do that including the very few malcontents and WGAF about them?

"Opportunity To Ditch Australia Day Public Holiday"


Aboriginal political activism.........


It is boring, it is so, so predictable, and it is RACIST ['hate those who are not us' AND, 'rise up'].


....i.e. it is exactly the same M.O. as the U.S. BLM political activism clique - 'hate those who are not us'.

....i.e. 'We must tear down and destroy the existing society, ......only then we can build a fairer and 'equal' society in its place.'


It is a [destructive] trap !!!

'They' want revolution and mayhem, NOT equality.


modus operandi = = a way of doing something.     the way in which something works.

OOPS!!!

"Western Australia Day or simply WA Day (formerly known as Foundation Day) is a public holiday in Western Australia (WA), celebrated on the first Monday in June each year to commemorate the founding of the Swan River Colony in 1829. Because of the date of Western Australia Day, WA does not have the King's Official Birthday public holiday in June, as do the other Australian states; it is held in September or October instead. "

"In 1832, Stirling decided that an annual celebration was needed to unite the colony's inhabitants, including both settlers and Aboriginal Australians and "masters and servants". He decided that the commemoration would be held on 1 June each year (or if a Sunday, on the following Monday), the date originally planned by Stirling for Parmelia's arrival in recognition of the first and greatest British naval victory over the French in 1794, the "Glorious First of June"."

Let's bring it on home, boys..... see how they like it when the shells are landing in their backyards .... bloody Pom invasion over there..... cancel the lot!!

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 11:40am:

OOPS!!! "Western Australia Day or simply WA Day (formerly known as Foundation Day) is a public holiday in Western Australia (WA), celebrated on the first Monday in June each year to commemorate the founding of the Swan River Colony in 1829. Because of the date of Western Australia Day, WA does not have the King's Official Birthday public holiday in June, as do the other Australian states; it is held in September or October instead. " "In 1832, Stirling decided that an annual celebration was needed to unite the colony's inhabitants, including both settlers and Aboriginal Australians and "masters and servants". He decided that the commemoration would be held on 1 June each year (or if a Sunday, on the following Monday), the date originally planned by Stirling for Parmelia's arrival in recognition of the first and greatest British naval victory over the French in 1794, the "Glorious First of June"." Let's bring it on home, boys..... see how they like it when the shells are landing in their backyards .... bloody Pom invasion over there..... cancel the lot!!

Who cares....Go back to Mother England if the place means so much too you....Most Australian's don't give a crap about the old country accept when we flog them in the Ashes???

:) :) :)

Australia has the British system.

Show me a better system

"Proclamation Day in South Australia celebrates the establishment of government in South Australia as a British province. The proclamation was made by Captain John Hindmarsh beside The Old Gum Tree at the present-day suburb of Glenelg North on 28 December 1836."

"Queensland Day is a celebration of Queensland's birthday and its official separation from New South Wales as an independent colony on 6 June 1859."

"We celebrate the Anniversary of the Separation of Victoria and New South Wales which occurred on 1 July 1851. On that day, Victoria achieved not only its separate geographic boundaries, but also Responsible Government with the formation of the Victorian Parliament."

"In 1803, Lieutenant John Bowen, with the British Royal Navy, chose Risdon Cove on the eastern shore of the River Derwent in the south-east for the first settlement of Europeans. In 1804 Lieutenant-governor David Collins moved the settlement across the river and Hobart was founded."

"Territory Day is a holiday widely celebrated in the Northern Territory of Australia on 1 July that commemorates the territory achieving self-government in 1978."

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 11:22am:

Black Orchid wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 11:14am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 11:08am: Black Orchid wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 10:54am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 8:20am: Boris wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 7:52am: It sits well with most Australians except a handful of Crackpots. Stop speaking English if you feel that way you moron. Bullshit Boris....Why post crap when it is so easily debunked....You have NFI do you??? Quote: * 59.8 per cent collectively support changing the date of Australia Day, compared with 31.6 per cent who do not *59.9 per cent indicated it was likely Australia Day would be moved from 26 January in the next ten 10 years Dickhead!!! ::) ::) ::) https://councilmagazine.com.au/survey-shows-support-for-changing-australia-day-date-in-melbourne/#:~:text=59.8%20per%20cent%20collectively%20support,the%20next%20ten%2010%20years https://www.deakin.edu.au/research/research-news-and-publications/articles/60-of-australians-want-to-keep-australia-day-on-january-26,-but-those-under-35-disagree https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/nearly-two-thirds-of-australians-65-say-january-26-should-be-known-as-australia-day-up-6-points-on-a-year-ago https://www.9news.com.au/national/australia-day-date-change-nearly-50-per-cent-of-australians-against-moving-date-from-january-26/97738c6f-7ec8-4f5f-b815-3b8adc73a539 Apart from your first link of only Melbournians, your other links actually support the fact that the majority of Australians do not want Australia Day changed. Like I said....I informed the debate I do not advocate any particular position....Why anyone accept those who believe the date doesn't represent them gives a toss is vauge....There Argument seems to be if you want to change the date you are un-Australian and those that believe they are not represented can go back to where they came from....It is symbolic bullshit anyway which has no significance accept pumped up patriotism and an excuse for a piss up!!! [smiley=beer.gif] [smiley=beer.gif] [smiley=beer.gif] I haven't read the whole thread and I imagine it's just more of the same but as far as I am concerned we are ALL (or should consider ourselves to be) Australians and should celebrate accordingly (or not) so constantly advocating for the change of date and/or name is just partisan identity politics and as such should be treated as same. [smiley=beer.gif] [smiley=beer.gif] [smiley=beer.gif] As the date represents the decleration that Australia is now a colony of Mother England, don't you accept that our first Australian's and immigrants from other countries do not feel the date is appropriate....The date is symbolic and means nothing too me!!! :) :) :)

I accept that Australia Day is a celebration for ALL Australians to give thanks for all the things we love about Australia. 

To acknowledge and celebrate the contribution that every Australian makes to our beautiful nation.  It's an acknowledgement of our history not a celebration of it nor should it be changed.

As for immigrants, didn't they come to Australia for these very reasons?

:) :) :)

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 11:47am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 11:40am: OOPS!!! "Western Australia Day or simply WA Day (formerly known as Foundation Day) is a public holiday in Western Australia (WA), celebrated on the first Monday in June each year to commemorate the founding of the Swan River Colony in 1829. Because of the date of Western Australia Day, WA does not have the King's Official Birthday public holiday in June, as do the other Australian states; it is held in September or October instead. " "In 1832, Stirling decided that an annual celebration was needed to unite the colony's inhabitants, including both settlers and Aboriginal Australians and "masters and servants". He decided that the commemoration would be held on 1 June each year (or if a Sunday, on the following Monday), the date originally planned by Stirling for Parmelia's arrival in recognition of the first and greatest British naval victory over the French in 1794, the "Glorious First of June"." Let's bring it on home, boys..... see how they like it when the shells are landing in their backyards .... bloody Pom invasion over there..... cancel the lot!! Who cares....Go back to Mother England if the place means so much too you....Most Australian's don't give a crap about the old country accept when we flog them in the Ashes??? :) :) :)

I'm Indigenous - families have been here since the 1850's as free settlers and only a minority have been English.... I'm staying right here in MY country, thanks.... the one I am content to leave as it is and never to surrender to whining groups of losers and malcontents.

Not ready to cancel all those State days yet?  Didn't think so - like that Papadopoulos sheila - no way will they want to stop Greece Day or whatever it is - even if in pharken Victoria every year.... wanna put a bet on that one?  Will they cancel Greek day down there or any other?  Or is it only Australia Day they have a problem with? Doesn't represent them?  Well, Greek day or Ramadan or National Samoan Day or whatever don't represent us, either, and we're happy to see them enjoy it.... and they are minorities in an established country so they can eat it and offer to us the same respect and courtesy.

You lose... time and again..... you have no case.... change your name to Brittany...

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 11:57am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 11:47am: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 11:40am: OOPS!!! "Western Australia Day or simply WA Day (formerly known as Foundation Day) is a public holiday in Western Australia (WA), celebrated on the first Monday in June each year to commemorate the founding of the Swan River Colony in 1829. Because of the date of Western Australia Day, WA does not have the King's Official Birthday public holiday in June, as do the other Australian states; it is held in September or October instead. " "In 1832, Stirling decided that an annual celebration was needed to unite the colony's inhabitants, including both settlers and Aboriginal Australians and "masters and servants". He decided that the commemoration would be held on 1 June each year (or if a Sunday, on the following Monday), the date originally planned by Stirling for Parmelia's arrival in recognition of the first and greatest British naval victory over the French in 1794, the "Glorious First of June"." Let's bring it on home, boys..... see how they like it when the shells are landing in their backyards .... bloody Pom invasion over there..... cancel the lot!! Who cares....Go back to Mother England if the place means so much too you....Most Australian's don't give a crap about the old country accept when we flog them in the Ashes??? :) :) :) I'm Indigenous - families have been here since the 1850's as free settlers and only a minority have been English.... I'm staying right here in MY country, thanks.... the one I am content to leave as it is and never to surrender to whining groups of losers and malcontents. Not ready to cancel all those State days yet?  Didn't think so - like that Papadopoulos sheila - no way will they want to stop Greece Day or whatever it is - even if in pharken Victoria every year.... wanna put a bet on that one?  Will they cancel Greek day down there or any other?  Or is it only Australia Day they have a problem with? Doesn't represent them?  Well, Greek day or Ramadan or National Samoan Day or whatever don't represent us, either, and we're happy to see them enjoy it.... and they are minorities in an established country so they can eat it and offer to us the same respect and courtesy. You lose... time and again..... you have no case.... change your name to Brittany...

I don't give a crap about symbolism you silly old wanker....You are the one who puts so much weight in symbolic crap....I will will call you Crappler from now on....You represent an Australia that no longer exists Crappler....The White Australia policy is dead and burries as you will be soon....In Australia everyone is allowed to argue their point even if you don't like it....You are a dickhead mate!!!

:) :) :)

Australia has the British system.

Show me a better system.

You live happily under the system and speak English and enjoy the freedom

But you whine like a Mule

Black Orchid wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 11:53am:

I accept that Australia Day is a celebration for ALL Australians to give thanks for all the things we love about Australia.  To acknowledge and celebrate the contribution that every Australian makes to our beautiful nation. It's an acknowledgement of our history not a celebration of it nor should it be changed. As for immigrants, didn't they come to Australia for these very reasons? :) :) :)

Black Orchid,

Good post, response.

And imo, the more people who hold such views of appreciation, of what we all possess in this nation, the better.

i.e.
THE COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA

....that is how our Australia political circumstance, used to be described.
....a name/description, which encouraged personal appreciation for all of the good things [like personal liberty] that we have.




IMO, we should always be grateful, for every good thing which we have 'possession' of/have experience of.

Be grateful !

Don't be like the idiot-child, who simply discards [is 'bored' with] his last gift,   .....and wants more, more, more gifts - so as to sate his wish for a constant feeling of 'excitement'.

Black Orchid wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 11:53am:

I accept that Australia Day is a celebration for ALL Australians to give thanks for all the things we love about Australia.  To acknowledge and celebrate the contribution that every Australian makes to our beautiful nation.  It's an acknowledgement of our history not a celebration of it nor should it be changed. As for immigrants, didn't they come to Australia for these very reasons? :) :) :)

Careful - to phil and the others that is clearly racist.... he likes to see racism instead of reality...

I said the exact same things and added that if the malcontents didn't like it here they could pack their bags... off he went from stage one in the discussion on his worn-out 'racism' screeching..... another fourteen year old in an adult body....

How many times must I say we are all Australians, all recognised in the Constitution, and all have the same Rights before someone stops screaming at me that I'm racist for simply stating those simple truths?

Of course the immigrants came here to find a better life - mine left Scotland, Ireland and Germany during the dark days of the mid 1800's when there were real prohibitions on the activities of the Irish, Scottish and Jews in Germany including discriminatory laws and even abject poverty and disempowerment for those of English/Welsh/Cornish extraction - you don't see our Abos or immigrants suffering under any different laws and restrictions here - though Peccary would have it they are all oppressed in Australia... so oppressed here that given their essentially patriarchal family structures in the case of many ethnics, where they are guided by parents and are obedient, they end up becoming doctors and lawyers and such instead of date pickers or rice paddy fillers fighting off their neighbours and hoping the government won't decide to genocide their group, etc.

Nobody kicks your door down at 3AM and carts you off to a show trial and a firing squad for speaking out against the government etc... nobody hangs you from a crane or throws you from a high place for being gay or whatever here ... many Greeks came here during their bloody civil war... Italians came here to get away from impoverished Italy and all its problems.... Euros came here to escape the eternal internecine wars and strife ... all were welcome and many prospered and prosper mightily.... yet some of them want to bring the place down and reduce it to a Third World poo-hole where they can climb the remaining dung heap .....

Stoopid is as stoopid does.... pack your bags then ...

Some people are so stupid.....

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 11:22am:

As the date represents the decleration that Australia is now a colony of Mother England, don't you accept that our first Australian's and immigrants from other countries do not feel the date is appropriate....The date is symbolic and means nothing too me!!! :) :) :)

It is insecure, resentful and mindless wankers who always look to problematise every aspect of life, history, customs, landmarks, red letter days, everything. 

"Oh, it's symbolic!", they say idiotically, as if WANTING TO MOVE IT wasn't just as symbolic, or even more so.  What does MOVING Australia Day symbolise for you, resentful old duffer?  What does your resentment symbolise?   

Frank wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 12:20pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 11:22am: As the date represents the decleration that Australia is now a colony of Mother England, don't you accept that our first Australian's and immigrants from other countries do not feel the date is appropriate....The date is symbolic and means nothing too me!!! :) :) :) It is insecure, resentful and mindless wankers who always look to problematise every aspect of life, history, customs, landmarks, red letter days, everything.  "Oh, it's symbolic!", they say idiotically, as if WANTING TO MOVE IT wasn't just as symbolic, or even more so.  What does MOVING Australia Day symbolise for you, resentful old duffer?  What does your resentment symbolise?

I don't care if the date is moved but I can accept the argument made by those who feel the date does not represent them....If history customs and landmarks matter then why should Aboriginal people celebrate English settlement....Out of respect for their ancestors they have a right to object to the date they were invaded....Symbolism matters or you would not object to the date being moved Fwank....Olay!!!

::) ::) ::)

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 12:37pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 12:20pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 11:22am: As the date represents the decleration that Australia is now a colony of Mother England, don't you accept that our first Australian's and immigrants from other countries do not feel the date is appropriate....The date is symbolic and means nothing too me!!! :) :) :) It is insecure, resentful and mindless wankers who always look to problematise every aspect of life, history, customs, landmarks, red letter days, everything.  "Oh, it's symbolic!", they say idiotically, as if WANTING TO MOVE IT wasn't just as symbolic, or even more so.  What does MOVING Australia Day symbolise for you, resentful old duffer?  What does your resentment symbolise?    I don't care if the date is moved but I can accept the argument made by those who feel the date does not represent them....If history customs and landmarks matter then why should Aboriginal people celebrate English settlement....Out of respect for their ancestors they have a right to object to the date they were invaded....Symbolism matters or you would not object to the date being moved Fwank....Olay!!! ::) ::) ::)

They have (more than) plenty of days/weeks/months that do represent them.  Way more than the rest of us have.   No-one is asking them to celebrate Australia Day but if we want to be honest about it, if the Dutch or Spanish had settled here instead of the Brits they wouldn't even be here to object.

Let them have their days and let the rest of Australia celebrate being Australian.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 12:37pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 12:20pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 11:22am: As the date represents the decleration that Australia is now a colony of Mother England, don't you accept that our first Australian's and immigrants from other countries do not feel the date is appropriate....The date is symbolic and means nothing too me!!! :) :) :) It is insecure, resentful and mindless wankers who always look to problematise every aspect of life, history, customs, landmarks, red letter days, everything.  "Oh, it's symbolic!", they say idiotically, as if WANTING TO MOVE IT wasn't just as symbolic, or even more so.  What does MOVING Australia Day symbolise for you, resentful old duffer?  What does your resentment symbolise?    I don't care if the date is moved but I can accept the argument made by those who feel the date does not represent them....If history customs and landmarks matter then why should Aboriginal people celebrate English settlement....Out of respect for their ancestors they have a right to object to the date they were invaded....Symbolism matters or you would not object to the date being moved Fwank....Olay!!! ::) ::) ::)

It's your mindless point to say symbolism doesn't matter because to you personally it is meaningless. How much more self-centered and narcissistic can you get? And in what way are Aboriginal symbols are any more meaningful for an ignorant egocentric like you?

Are you by any chance Oirish like that other  po-faced duffer from Perth, Tut-tuttin Bbwian?


"Now, we have no symbolic life, and we are all badly in need of the symbolic life. Only the symbolic life can express the need of the soul - the daily need of the soul, mind you! And because people have no such thing, they can never step out of this mill - this awful, grinding, banal life in which they are 'nothing but.' ... Everything is banal, everything is 'nothing but'; and that is the reason why people are neurotic. " C.G. JUNG

https://carljungdepthpsychologysite.blog/2020/05/15/carl-jung-on-the-symbolic-life/#.Y6J5PFXZU1I

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 12:37pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 12:20pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 11:22am: As the date represents the decleration that Australia is now a colony of Mother England, don't you accept that our first Australian's and immigrants from other countries do not feel the date is appropriate....The date is symbolic and means nothing too me!!! :) :) :) It is insecure, resentful and mindless wankers who always look to problematise every aspect of life, history, customs, landmarks, red letter days, everything.  "Oh, it's symbolic!", they say idiotically, as if WANTING TO MOVE IT wasn't just as symbolic, or even more so.  What does MOVING Australia Day symbolise for you, resentful old duffer?  What does your resentment symbolise?    I don't care if the date is moved but I can accept the argument made by those who feel the date does not represent them....If history customs and landmarks matter then why should Aboriginal people celebrate English settlement....Out of respect for their ancestors they have a right to object to the date they were invaded....Symbolism matters or you would not object to the date being moved Fwank....Olay!!! ::) ::) ::)

before Cook and for a long time after Aborigines raped murdered and ate children.

they still rape and murder children but as far as I know they have stopped eating them.

So that is some progress.

Now if they would just stop raping and murdering them

Boris wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 12:58pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 12:37pm: Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 12:20pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 11:22am: As the date represents the decleration that Australia is now a colony of Mother England, don't you accept that our first Australian's and immigrants from other countries do not feel the date is appropriate....The date is symbolic and means nothing too me!!! :) :) :) It is insecure, resentful and mindless wankers who always look to problematise every aspect of life, history, customs, landmarks, red letter days, everything.  "Oh, it's symbolic!", they say idiotically, as if WANTING TO MOVE IT wasn't just as symbolic, or even more so.  What does MOVING Australia Day symbolise for you, resentful old duffer?  What does your resentment symbolise?    I don't care if the date is moved but I can accept the argument made by those who feel the date does not represent them....If history customs and landmarks matter then why should Aboriginal people celebrate English settlement....Out of respect for their ancestors they have a right to object to the date they were invaded....Symbolism matters or you would not object to the date being moved Fwank....Olay!!! ::) ::) ::) before Cook and for a long time after Aborigines raped murdered and ate children. they still rape and murder children but as far as I know they have stopped eating them. So that is some progress. Now if they would just stop raping and murdering them

Do non-indigenous people rape and murder children, Boris?

I'm curious.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 1:14pm:

before Cook and for a long time after Aborigines raped murdered and ate children. they still rape and murder children but as far as I know they have stopped eating them. So that is some progress. Now if they would just stop raping and murdering them

Do non-indigenous people rape and murder children, Boris?

I'm curious.[/quote]

OK curious. They do of course but the statistics are vastly different - but due to your lack of intelligence I doubt if you understand those words.

Have a read and try to learn something - which I doubt is even possible.



Available data indicate that Indigenous people are 15 to 20 times more likely than non-Indigenous people to commit violent offences.

That is 1,500% to 2,000% more likely to commit violent offences.

So this is OK by you?


The consequences of child sexual abuse are horrifying:

Children have sexual diseases. Children under the age of 10 and as young as 4 are diagnosed with sexually transmitted diseases like gonorrhoea, chlamydia, syphilis and trichomoniasis [11].

Early exposure to pornography. Children as young as three have been exposed to pornographic material in their homes [12].

Teenage rape. Teenagers rape children, and older children rape very young children.

Higher vulnerability to illness later in life. The younger the child and the more frequent the abuse, the more likely they are to manifest physical symptoms later in life that hint at their trauma. It could be pelvic pain, stomach aches, chronic back pain or more-complex conditions such as autoimmune disease, asthma, psoriasis and type 2 diabetes. Experts call this 'somatisation': physical manifestations of psychological trauma. [13]


Selected statistics

15% Percentage of reported sexual offence incidents in Australia which go to court.

12% Reoffending rate for sexual offences. This percentage drops to less than 5% if offenders enter a special program.

30..50% Estimated proportion of sexually abused children in Australia where the perpetrator was 18 years or younger.

7 Times an Aboriginal child in 2009 is more likely to be sexually abused than a non-Aboriginal child. 700%

6 Times an Aboriginal woman in 2012 is more likely to be sexually abused than a non-Aboriginal woman. 600%

14% Proportion of children on South Australian Aṉangu, Pitjantjatjara and Yankunytjatjara (APY) Aboriginal lands who have been sexually abused. Same rate for all of SA population: 0.12%.

42% Proportion of perpetrators of sexual abuse towards Aboriginal women who are non-Aboriginal; who are Aboriginal: 41%; who are both (e.g. pack rapes): 17%

Source: Aboriginal sexual abuse - Creative Spirits, retrieved from https://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/health/aboriginal-sexual-abuse

Well - Abos kill and rape children and one another at a hugely higher rate than All Others... (note that careful choice of words).. out of one woman a week =52 a year roughly - around 48 are most likely to be Indigenous women... their kids are in care at a massively higher rate.. they occupy prisons at a huge rate.... their hospital and emergency care for injuries from violence are massively higher ......great figures for 3% of the population.

We really don't need to go over that time and time again to suit you dead-end canyon ideologues who want to challenge every figure without offering any ... it's the realities.... and there is not a shred of racism in it other than their objecting to being held to the same standards as everyone else.

Anyway - let's wait for the cry to ditch Australia Day proper now.... let the malcontents go to work for single time on a public holiday... we don't GAF ... as long as there is no demand that everyone abide by their stupidity.... same as all the other 'activist' insanities doing the rounds these days... you know who and what those are ...

Why hasn't Labor Albo jumped in and screamed about 'lowering hard won penalty rates' etc?  Because protection of worker rights is not high on the Labor agenda and falls a long way behind Aboism and Ethnicism and all the other -isms doing the rounds and killing this country, starting with all the lies about women = 'feminism' - that wolf in sheep's clothing devouring sanity in this country using laws and regulations to oppress the Others.

I TOLD YOU SO!!

Boris wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 1:25pm:

OK curious. They do of course ...

Ah.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 1:29pm:

Well - Abos kill and rape children and one another at a hugely higher rate than All Others... (note that careful choice of words).. out of one woman a week =52 a year roughly - around 48 are most likely to be Indigenous women... their kids are in care at a massively higher rate.. they occupy prisons at a huge rate.... their hospital and emergency care for injuries from violence are massively higher ......great figures for 3% of the population.

Ah, I see.  You're not happy with their figures.

You seem to be fine with non-indigenous figures though.  Never seen you complain about those.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 1:34pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 1:29pm: Well - Abos kill and rape children and one another at a hugely higher rate than All Others... (note that careful choice of words).. out of one woman a week =52 a year roughly - around 48 are most likely to be Indigenous women... their kids are in care at a massively higher rate.. they occupy prisons at a huge rate.... their hospital and emergency care for injuries from violence are massively higher ......great figures for 3% of the population. Ah, I see.  You're not happy with their figures. You seem to be fine with non-indigenous figures though.  Never seen you complain about those.

You never will, Greg.  Can you guess why?  Its a single word that begins with a capital "R".  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:26am:

Most Australian's want to change the date..

From your references -

https://councilmagazine.com.au/survey-shows-support-for-changing-australia-day-date-in-melbourne/#:~:text=59.8%20per%20cent%20collectively%20support,the%20next%20ten%2010%20years

This “survey” does not show how the question was articulated. But it is an inner city council. ;)

https://www.deakin.edu.au/research/research-news-and-publications/articles/60-of-australians-want-to-keep-australia-day-on-january-26,-but-those-under-35-disagree

“Our findings
Overall, 60% of our respondents want to continue celebrating “Australia Day” on January 26.”

https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/nearly-two-thirds-of-australians-65-say-january-26-should-be-known-as-australia-day-up-6-points-on-a-year-ago

“A special Roy Morgan survey into attitudes towards January 26 shows an increasing majority of 65% of Australians now say the date should be known as ‘Australia Day’ – up 6% points from a year ago compared to just over a third, 35% (down 6% points) that say it should be called ‘Invasion Day’ according to a special Roy Morgan SMS Poll conducted with an Australia-wide cross-section of 1,372 Australians aged 18+ on the weekend from Friday January 21 to Monday January 24, 2022.”

https://www.9news.com.au/national/australia-day-date-change-nearly-50-per-cent-of-australians-against-moving-date-from-january-26/97738c6f-7ec8-4f5f-b815-3b8adc73a539

“Nearly 50 per cent of people are opposed to changing the date of Australia Day from January 26.
Just 28 per cent of Australians want the date to be moved, according to a new Ipsos poll for Nine News and The Age/Sydney Morning Herald.”


One should learn to read beyond the headlines.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 1:34pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 1:29pm: Well - Abos kill and rape children and one another at a hugely higher rate than All Others... (note that careful choice of words).. out of one woman a week =52 a year roughly - around 48 are most likely to be Indigenous women... their kids are in care at a massively higher rate.. they occupy prisons at a huge rate.... their hospital and emergency care for injuries from violence are massively higher ......great figures for 3% of the population. Ah, I see.  You're not happy with their figures. You seem to be fine with non-indigenous figures though.  Never seen you complain about those.

Yes - Ridiculous..... that's the word.... the issue under discussion here is ABOS and their activities.... not anyone else's ... and if you can't handle the official figures take it up with the relevant authorities, children.

I condemned Tarrant, I condemned the Lebo rape gang etc ... you pair really need to get out of those cellars more.  You're the ones fighting for ridiculous 'rights' for Cheers - I'm fighting for Cheers to do right to one another...... it's a type of cheese formerly known by another name...

Facts and figures don't give a damn what your paint job is....

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 10:44am:

It's symbolic mate....Some people believe the date does not represent all Australian's and they have a valid argument....I don't give a toss and only care about the public holiday to drink some beer and play some pool with my mates....The argument won't go away because some red necks oppose it for some reason....Why do you want to celebrate the POMS bringing their convicts here??? :-? :-? :-?

So everyone who wants to keep Australia Day on 26 January is a redneck? https://www.mamamia.com.au/jacinta-price-on-australia-day/ And as for why I want to celebrate, my great great etc. grandfather and grandmother were two of those Poms.

Belgarion wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 2:46pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 10:44am: It's symbolic mate....Some people believe the date does not represent all Australian's and they have a valid argument....I don't give a toss and only care about the public holiday to drink some beer and play some pool with my mates....The argument won't go away because some red necks oppose it for some reason....Why do you want to celebrate the POMS bringing their convicts here??? :-? :-? :-? So everyone who wants to keep Australia Day on 26 January is a redneck? https://www.mamamia.com.au/jacinta-price-on-australia-day/ And as for why I want to celebrate, my great great etc. grandfather and grandmother were two of those Poms.

Good for you....Other people also have their own reasons....Stuff them hey???

:-? :-? :-?

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 2:11pm:

Yes - Ridiculous..... that's the word.... the issue under discussion here is ABOS and their activities.... not anyone else's ... and if you can't handle the official figures take it up with the relevant authorities, children.

Most of us can't  'handle' (ie, we are horrified by) the official figures re black crime and incarceration, that's why a strong majority (c.80%) of Australians DO want to close the gap, whereas apparently the desire to change  (or maintain)  the Oz day date (on 26th Jan)  doesn't command the same clear majority.


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Facts and figures don't give a damn what your paint job is....

True, but note the above facts and figures; what is your paint job?

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 3:25pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 2:11pm: Yes - Ridiculous..... that's the word.... the issue under discussion here is ABOS and their activities.... not anyone else's ... and if you can't handle the official figures take it up with the relevant authorities, children. Most of us can't  'handle' (ie, we are horrified by) the official figures re black crime and incarceration, that's why a strong majority (c.80%) of Australians DO want to close the gap, whereas apparently the desire to change  (or maintain)  the Oz day date (on 26th Jan)  doesn't command the same clear majority. Quote: Facts and figures don't give a damn what your paint job is.... True, but note the above facts and figures; what is your paint job?

It is, however, a CLEAR majority - and frankly - WGAF about the views of the uninformed and ring-ins and self-interesteds and there is NO reason to change it at all... try reading down a bit to keep up.

What would an Indian, a Paki, an Afghan, a Chinese, a MEaster etc - all recently arrived and with zero idea of our (thunder approaching)....CULTURE, know about Australia Day and what it actually means?  Jesus - even some of those dopey Greek etc sheilas (the motor's racing but the gearbox is broken) who've been here a generation or so are on the hate trail for Australia... while enjoying the sweet life from it.....

Maybe we need to give provisional citizenship dependent upon learning the ropes for ten years before they are allowed to vote on anything and limit election and appointment to public office to - say - third generation people ONLY .... sounds like the only way to keep the uninformed and culturally illiterate from following some ridiculous idea pushed by a tiny minority of people out of their tiny minds... if they despise the country so much that they want to change its national day - why are they here?

Clearly if we went to their country and wanted to change their national day they'd have a very short and sharp answer...bugger OFF!  Pack your bags, Whitey, and off you go, Imperialist Dog...

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 4:31pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 3:25pm: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 2:11pm: Yes - Ridiculous..... that's the word.... the issue under discussion here is ABOS and their activities.... not anyone else's ... and if you can't handle the official figures take it up with the relevant authorities, children. Most of us can't  'handle' (ie, we are horrified by) the official figures re black crime and incarceration, that's why a strong majority (c.80%) of Australians DO want to close the gap, whereas apparently the desire to change  (or maintain)  the Oz day date (on 26th Jan)  doesn't command the same clear majority. Quote: Facts and figures don't give a damn what your paint job is.... True, but note the above facts and figures; what is your paint job? It is, however, a CLEAR majority - and frankly - WGAF about the views of the uninformed and ring-ins and self-interesteds and there is NO reason to change it at all... try reading down a bit to keep up.

Are the highlighted among the overwhelming majority who want to close the gap?

While I agree  there is no real reason to change the date, the reasons for the hurt feelings of those who want to change the date need to be examined and addressed.


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What would an Indian, a Paki, an Afghan, a Chinese, a MEaster etc - all recently arrived and with zero idea of our (thunder approaching)....CULTURE, know about Australia Day and what it actually means?  Jesus - even some of those dopey Greek etc sheilas (the motor's racing but the gearbox is broken) who've been here a generation or so are on the hate trail for Australia... while enjoying the sweet life from it.....

Hmm.... a fair point, the new arrivals are likely less committed to the historical significance of Oz day, and more likely to be attracted to a change the date campaign, out of sympathy for the plight of blacks in Oz. 


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Maybe we need to give provisional citizenship dependent upon learning the ropes for ten years before they are allowed to vote on anything and limit election and appointment to public office to - say - third generation people ONLY .... sounds like the only way to keep the uninformed and culturally illiterate from following some ridiculous idea pushed by a tiny minority of people out of their tiny minds... if they despise the country so much that they want to change its national day - why are they here?

 

Addressed above. So does one need to learn about the history of a nation, warts and all, before one can receive citizenship....


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Clearly if we went to their country and wanted to change their national day they'd have a very short and sharp answer..

Indeed.

Just move the date and be done with it.

The anti abo brigade can get frkked

You're fixated on closing the gaps that will never be closed until the Abos assimilate and take an active part instead of a destructive part in their own lives.

The issue here is Australia Day and some not wanting to take penalty rates for working on a public holiday and taking a single time day off in lieu ... THAT"S what is behind this - a push by management to undercut penalty rates for public holidays.

As for the Whiners and Winers - it's the verge of 2023 - not 1787 .... the old days are gone, dead, cremated and buried.

Did Nelson Mandela succeed by doing things 'the old way'?  Or did he use the White Man's way to get sense to prevail - sort of anyway... there will always be extremists who simply cannot live and let live...??

Did Mahatma Gandhi follow the 'old way' of empirical conquest and internecine war and the winner takes all and the winner is right??

Christ some of you need a break from your mental cells and a bit of exercise in the sunlight of simple reality.

John Smith wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 4:58pm:

Just move the date and be done with it. The anti abo brigade can get frkked

Just keep the date and be done with it.

The abo brigade can get frkked.

John Smith wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 4:58pm:

Just move the date and be done with it. The anti abo brigade can get frkked

Moving the date will not do a thing for the Aboriginal children being raped, the women being beaten and abused or the alcohol and drug abuse endemic in many Aboriginal communities, but it will make the virtue signalling wankers feel good about themselves without actually having to face the real problems.  ::)

Belgarion wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 5:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 4:58pm: Just move the date and be done with it. The anti abo brigade can get frkked Moving the date will not do a thing for the Aboriginal children being raped, the women being beaten and abused or the alcohol and drug abuse endemic in many Aboriginal communities, but it will make the virtue signalling wankers feel good about themselves without actually having to face the real problems.  ::)

Same could be said for the Right wingers, Belgarion.  They don't want to face the truth about their treatment of the Indigenous, now do they?  They just want to punish the Indigenous for daring to be here first and different.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 5:07pm:

Belgarion wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 5:03pm: John Smith wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 4:58pm: Just move the date and be done with it. The anti abo brigade can get frkked Moving the date will not do a thing for the Aboriginal children being raped, the women being beaten and abused or the alcohol and drug abuse endemic in many Aboriginal communities, but it will make the virtue signalling wankers feel good about themselves without actually having to face the real problems.  ::) Same could be said for the Right wingers, Belgarion.  They don't want to face the truth about their treatment of the Indigenous, now do they?  They just want to punish the Indigenous for daring to be here first and different.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

OH?? And precisely what did those 'right wingers' of today do to those Indigenous?  "I was here first" no longer applies any more than the old ways of landing on a country and claiming it.... this is the 21st Century.... Australia - woefully given the outcomes to date... is a multi-cultural country...... like most in the world other than - say - some dark African nation intent on genociding  outsiders and those not of their approved group or say an extreme Islamist nation that will never abide any 'intrusion' from anyone else interfering with their fanatical religion... or some equally dark European country like Russia still bound in the Middle Ages of serfdom and abject poverty and absolute servitude to the state/ruler .....

Just like our local Cheers - we are trying to bring them into civilisation and better behaviour on the world, national and personal stage.

Free State of Jones - "Every man is someone else's black person" - it's just that some choose to behave that way by choice and thus to denigrate themselves and their own group.

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Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 4:59pm:

You're fixated on closing the gaps that will never be closed until the Abos assimilate and take an active part instead of a destructive part in their own lives.

The question is HOW do we "re-educate" them...so they can take a creative path in their own communities and in the nation.


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The issue here is Australia Day and some not wanting to take penalty rates for working on a public holiday and taking a single time day off in lieu ... THAT"S what is behind this - a push by management to undercut penalty rates for public holidays.

Ah graps I reckon that's a bit of a conspiracy theory.... sympathy for black dispossession has much more to do with it.


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As for the Whiners and Winers - it's the verge of 2023 - not 1787 .... the old days are gone, dead, cremated and buried.

Indeed.


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Did Nelson Mandela succeed by doing things 'the old way'?  Or did he use the White Man's way to get sense to prevail - sort of anyway... there will always be extremists who simply cannot live and let live...??

 

Mandela worked to get rid of apartheid, easier than closing the gap.....


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Did Mahatma Gandhi follow the 'old way' of empirical conquest and internecine war and the winner takes all and the winner is right??

Gandhi worked for Indian independence - easier than closing the gap in Oz, despite the might of the British Empire in the early 20th century, because he had the (mostly) entire nation with him.


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Christ some of you need a break from your mental cells and a bit of exercise in the sunlight of simple reality.

I hope I have shone some light on your errors, above. 

Re-education will not be a problem once the Chinese take over... they know how to deal with restive minorities...

The point about Mandela and Gandhi was the way they went about it - not what they were trying to achieve...and neither went about it 'the old way'.....

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 5:36pm:

Re-education will not be a problem once the Chinese take over... they know how to deal with restive minorities...

The Chinese are not going to take over, so we have to deal with the current culture/race-based societal dysfunction in Oz, ourselves. 


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The point about Mandela and Gandhi was the way they went about it - not what they were trying to achieve...and neither went about it 'the old way'.....

How they went about it was obviously dependent on what they were trying to achieve.

And in Oz we are trying to close the gap, a far more difficult task than either Mandela or Gandhi faced - despite the huge barriers those two men faced. 

[though on reflection , a JG would make closing the gap much easier than what either Mandela or Gandhi faced.)

NAIDOC week is 2-9 July 2023.  What is the significance of those dates in the Aboriginal calendar?

Nothing. There is no Aboriginal calendar and with the possible exception of Aborigines in Sydney Cove, 26 January 1788 went COMPLETELY unremarked.

Getting agitated by that date is pure hate and resentment and toxic self pity - even though almost all Aborigines today have significant European settler or other immigrant blood. How do they reconcile their hearts with that immense hate for their own forebears?

It is a toxic stance and it is cultivated by toxic  Europeans with zero Aboriginality, like Thick-as Gino, Tut-tutsie Bbwian, Poison Pill of Perth et al.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 8:20am:

Boris wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 7:52am: It sits well with most Australians except a handful of Crackpots. Stop speaking English if you feel that way you moron. Bullshit Boris....Why post crap when it is so easily debunked....You have NFI do you??? Quote: * 59.8 per cent collectively support changing the date of Australia Day, compared with 31.6 per cent who do not *59.9 per cent indicated it was likely Australia Day would be moved from 26 January in the next ten 10 years Dickhead!!! ::) ::) ::) https://councilmagazine.com.au/survey-shows-support-for-changing-australia-day-date-in-melbourne/#:~:text=59.8%20per%20cent%20collectively%20support,the%20next%20ten%2010%20years https://www.deakin.edu.au/research/research-news-and-publications/articles/60-of-australians-want-to-keep-australia-day-on-january-26,-but-those-under-35-disagree https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/nearly-two-thirds-of-australians-65-say-january-26-should-be-known-as-australia-day-up-6-points-on-a-year-ago https://www.9news.com.au/national/australia-day-date-change-nearly-50-per-cent-of-australians-against-moving-date-from-january-26/97738c6f-7ec8-4f5f-b815-3b8adc73a539

Not interested in a Melbourne Council survey - from the woke wanker capital of Australia.

Or Deakin University .. a Melbourne University.

Morgan Gallop polls  ;D ;D ;D

And 9News? FFS  ::)

And you live in Perth?

Is this how woke idiots drown out the majority?

Most people outside your intensive urban city areas do not support your BS.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:11am:

If they're not prepared to respect our culture and celebrate the day Australia first became a nation - they can all simply be deported. Told yez I was looking forward to the stoush that would begin... all the usual whiners who get such great advantage out of Australia... Papadopoulos - parents came here to attain prosperity and a better life... Albanese... all the rest with names full of vowels who couldn't wait to get out of their family's historical impoverished violence-ridden turd factory and find a better life... now they want to poo all over it. Told you this concept of divide and conquer was installed by politicians via oddball immigration and so forth until the common Australian type has lost all political power and is prey to every whiner that comes along with a name full of vowels....

re: your meme - exactly.

Even interstate migrants do the same to the town /city/ area/locale they shift to in another state.

They need to phukk off back to where they were most comfortable.

Belgarion wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:00am:

If people want to work on a public holiday then that's entirely up to them. No need to bring the anti-Australian politics of the woke bedwetters  into it.

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philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:11am:

Belgarion wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:00am: If people want to work on a public holiday then that's entirely up to them. No need to bring the anti-Australian politics of the woke bedwetters  into it. Explain how wanting to change a symbolic date makes someone anti-Australian....The debate comes up every Jan 26, it won't go away because of your right wing leanings....Put forward a valid argument against changing the date instead of arguing irellivant bullshit??? ::) ::) ::)

It only comes up from the anti-australian woke bedwetter left wing whinging toolheads like you.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:17am:

Boris wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:10am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 8:45am: Boris wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 8:28am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 8:20am: Boris wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 7:52am: It sits well with most Australians except a handful of Crackpots. Stop speaking English if you feel that way you moron. Bullshit Boris....Why post crap when it is so easily debunked....You have NFI do you??? Quote: * 59.8 per cent collectively support changing the date of Australia Day, compared with 31.6 per cent who do not *59.9 per cent indicated it was likely Australia Day would be moved from 26 January in the next ten 10 years Dickhead!!! ::) ::) ::) https://councilmagazine.com.au/survey-shows-support-for-changing-australia-day-date-in-melbourne/#:~:text=59.8%20per%20cent%20collectively%20support,the%20next%20ten%2010%20years https://www.deakin.edu.au/research/research-news-and-publications/articles/60-of-australians-want-to-keep-australia-day-on-january-26,-but-those-under-35-disagree https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/nearly-two-thirds-of-australians-65-say-january-26-should-be-known-as-australia-day-up-6-points-on-a-year-ago https://www.9news.com.au/national/australia-day-date-change-nearly-50-per-cent-of-australians-against-moving-date-from-january-26/97738c6f-7ec8-4f5f-b815-3b8adc73a539 Stop speaking English hypocrite. You cant even comprehend English ya racist dickhead....I was stating facts and exposing your complete bullshit not advocating for any change of the date....You have NFI do you??? philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 7:49am: Personally I don't care what date Australia Day is....However celebrating the date that the POMS declared Australia a colony of Mother England obviously doesn't sit well with many Australian's....Then there are arseholes like Boris who have NFI??? ::) ::) ::) How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct. Benjamin Disraeli (1804 - 1881), speech, January 24, 1860 Why are you speaking English? I am British - Australia is British. Royal Australian Navy - Royal Australian Air Force. British Parliament, British Law, Cricket, etc etc etc Perhaps you would be more comfortable in China where they have none of those things you hate so much. The Political elite told us we wanted to be a Republic - and the referendum said No. The political elite told us we hate the Royals and then the Queen dies - and the Australians grieved. The political Elite tell us all kinds of crap - that only fools like you believe. You assume a lot you smacking dickhead....You put forward no argument just troll and sprout insults....I do not avocate any position on changing the date....You are ignoring the facts I posted to expose your bullshit and are now trying to provoke me with irrelivant trash talk....You are full of crap Boris and have been exposed....Being Australian has nothing to do with symbolism you dickhead!!! BTW....Piss off back to mother England you POME bastard....You have no right to decide what Australians wan't!!! ::) ::) ::) There is nothing worse than aggressive stupidity. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749 - 1832)

Neither do you you wanker.

You don't advocate any position of changing the date?

Really?

If that's true .... then STFU you stupid tnuc.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:26am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:22am: ... and if people don't care what day it's on - all these late-comers who know nothing about Australia but want to own and run it for us - there is no point in even discussing changing it... All national days should be banned here - no day off for anyone from any Outlander nation any more... https://i.imgflip.com/750jrt.jpg Most Australian's want to change the date....The White Ausrtralia policy is gone....Some people are just racist low life scum who have NFI??? ::) ::) ::) Never try to reason the prejudice out of a man. It was not reasoned into him, and cannot be reasoned out. Sydney Smith (1771 - 1845)

You're just a phukkin idiot writ large.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 5:49pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 5:36pm: Re-education will not be a problem once the Chinese take over... they know how to deal with restive minorities... The Chinese are not going to take over, so we have to deal with the current culture/race-based societal dysfunction in Oz, ourselves.  Quote: The point about Mandela and Gandhi was the way they went about it - not what they were trying to achieve...and neither went about it 'the old way'..... How they went about it was obviously dependent on what they were trying to achieve. And in Oz we are trying to close the gap, a far more difficult task than either Mandela or Gandhi faced - despite the huge barriers those two men faced.  [though on reflection , a JG would make closing the gap much easier than what either Mandela or Gandhi faced.)

Let me know when you've worked out how to get them to school and stop drinking and fighting and all that.... a Job Guarantee won't do that - it will provide more cash for drink and such... are you serious?  Even here you know it's government pay day when you see the sheilas down the club playing pokies at $2-$5 a shot looking for that big one... plenty more where that came from...

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:43am:

Belgarion wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:14am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:11am: Belgarion wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:00am: If people want to work on a public holiday then that's entirely up to them. No need to bring the anti-Australian politics of the woke bedwetters  into it. Explain how wanting to change a symbolic date makes someone anti-Australian....The debate comes up every Jan 26, it won't go away because of your right wing leanings....Put forward a valid argument against changing the date instead of arguing irellivant bullshit??? ::) ::) ::) How about a valid argument as to why it should be changed? But there isn't one, is there? The main Argument is that having the date celebrate the day the first nations people were colonized and Australia was declared British land....This does not sit well with many Australian's who have no link too British ancesstory....Why not change the date so all Australian's can celebrate if they wish....Patriotism is bullshit anyway IMO??? Here are some reasons if you actually give a crap??? https://www.australianethical.com.au/blog/australia-day-why-we-need-to-change-the-date/#:~:text=There%20are%20many%20things%20we,of%20mourning%20rather%20than%20celebration. https://crescentwealth.com.au/articles/8-reasons-why-the-date-for-australia-day-should-be-changed/ https://www.news.com.au/national/why-australia-day-has-to-change-from-january-26/news-story/e9cc240a65f3da20ada71ef0dfae79ca Now explain how wanting to change a symbolic date makes someone anti-Australian??? ::) ::) ::)

Here's where your stupidity comes to the fore..

there never were any nations or a nation of one group here.

You think in a fantasy .. a delusion.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:43am:

Belgarion wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:14am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:11am: Belgarion wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:00am: If people want to work on a public holiday then that's entirely up to them. No need to bring the anti-Australian politics of the woke bedwetters  into it. Explain how wanting to change a symbolic date makes someone anti-Australian....The debate comes up every Jan 26, it won't go away because of your right wing leanings....Put forward a valid argument against changing the date instead of arguing irellivant bullshit??? ::) ::) ::) How about a valid argument as to why it should be changed? But there isn't one, is there? The main Argument is that having the date celebrate the day the first nations people were colonized and Australia was declared British land....This does not sit well with many Australian's who have no link too British ancesstory....Why not change the date so all Australian's can celebrate if they wish....Patriotism is bullshit anyway IMO??? Here are some reasons if you actually give a crap??? https://www.australianethical.com.au/blog/australia-day-why-we-need-to-change-the-date/#:~:text=There%20are%20many%20things%20we,of%20mourning%20rather%20than%20celebration. https://crescentwealth.com.au/articles/8-reasons-why-the-date-for-australia-day-should-be-changed/ https://www.news.com.au/national/why-australia-day-has-to-change-from-january-26/news-story/e9cc240a65f3da20ada71ef0dfae79ca Now explain how wanting to change a symbolic date makes someone anti-Australian??? ::) ::) ::)

That figures you softcock tnuc.

Wouldn't be safe at anyones back .. weak as piss.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:11am:

Belgarion wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:00am: If people want to work on a public holiday then that's entirely up to them. No need to bring the anti-Australian politics of the woke bedwetters  into it. Explain how wanting to change a symbolic date makes someone anti-Australian....The debate comes up every Jan 26, it won't go away because of your right wing leanings....Put forward a valid argument against changing the date instead of arguing irellivant bullshit??? ::) ::) ::)

Don't be SOOOO thick, Poison Pill.  AUSTRALIA Day. What does that signify? I put it in all caps so it doesnt escape even you.

And now we have to give reasons for rejecting hateful and resentful busybodies' attempts to change national days?   Modern Australia started on that day in 1788,  whether you like it or not. 


Identify a significant Aboriginal day BEFORE 26 January, 1788.  Go on, there must be something as significant in the rich and vibrant 40 thousand years of Aboriginal history before that day. 

Or even after it. Identify a significant Aboriginal day that is totally unrelated to European settlement.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 3:00pm:

Belgarion wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 2:46pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 10:44am: It's symbolic mate....Some people believe the date does not represent all Australian's and they have a valid argument....I don't give a toss and only care about the public holiday to drink some beer and play some pool with my mates....The argument won't go away because some red necks oppose it for some reason....Why do you want to celebrate the POMS bringing their convicts here??? :-? :-? :-? So everyone who wants to keep Australia Day on 26 January is a redneck? https://www.mamamia.com.au/jacinta-price-on-australia-day/ And as for why I want to celebrate, my great great etc. grandfather and grandmother were two of those Poms. Good for you....Other people also have their own reasons....Stuff them hey??? :-? :-? :-?

Someone has to get stuffed. Why not the ones that want to change it? Why should those happy with the status quo be the ones to get stuffed?

Setanta wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 7:27pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 3:00pm: Belgarion wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 2:46pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 10:44am: It's symbolic mate....Some people believe the date does not represent all Australian's and they have a valid argument....I don't give a toss and only care about the public holiday to drink some beer and play some pool with my mates....The argument won't go away because some red necks oppose it for some reason....Why do you want to celebrate the POMS bringing their convicts here??? :-? :-? :-? So everyone who wants to keep Australia Day on 26 January is a redneck? https://www.mamamia.com.au/jacinta-price-on-australia-day/ And as for why I want to celebrate, my great great etc. grandfather and grandmother were two of those Poms. Good for you....Other people also have their own reasons....Stuff them hey??? :-? :-? :-? Someone has to get stuffed. Why not the ones that want to change it? Why should those happy with the status quo be the ones to get stuffed?

https://cdn.pixabay.com/photo/2013/07/12/17/00/approved-151676__340.png

Frank wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 7:30am:

Aborigines should call it Liberation Day.

But for a lot of them out in Woop Woop it's Libation Day. Like every other day.
Selective cultural appropriation. Tsk, tsk  ::) ::)

Gnads wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 6:54pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:43am: Belgarion wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:14am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:11am: Belgarion wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:00am: If people want to work on a public holiday then that's entirely up to them. No need to bring the anti-Australian politics of the woke bedwetters  into it. Explain how wanting to change a symbolic date makes someone anti-Australian....The debate comes up every Jan 26, it won't go away because of your right wing leanings....Put forward a valid argument against changing the date instead of arguing irellivant bullshit??? ::) ::) ::) How about a valid argument as to why it should be changed? But there isn't one, is there? The main Argument is that having the date celebrate the day the first nations people were colonized and Australia was declared British land....This does not sit well with many Australian's who have no link too British ancesstory....Why not change the date so all Australian's can celebrate if they wish....Patriotism is bullshit anyway IMO??? Here are some reasons if you actually give a crap??? https://www.australianethical.com.au/blog/australia-day-why-we-need-to-change-the-date/#:~:text=There%20are%20many%20things%20we,of%20mourning%20rather%20than%20celebration. https://crescentwealth.com.au/articles/8-reasons-why-the-date-for-australia-day-should-be-changed/ https://www.news.com.au/national/why-australia-day-has-to-change-from-january-26/news-story/e9cc240a65f3da20ada71ef0dfae79ca Now explain how wanting to change a symbolic date makes someone anti-Australian??? ::) ::) ::) Here's where your stupidity comes to the fore.. there never were any nations or a nation of one group here. You think in a fantasy .. a delusion.

Speaking of stupidity,  wtf has your rant to do with anything? No one said there was a rant. Just more rabid nonsense so you can sprout your stupidity

https://foreignpolicy.com/2008/02/26/how-to-start-your-own-country-in-four-easy-steps/

"You must have a defined territory. They changed territory every time they won or lost a fight.

You must have a permanent population. They wandered from place to place.

You must have a government. There was no government.

Your government must be capable of interacting with other states. They did - with nulla-nullas and spears... until the White Man put a stop to it on Civilisation Day."

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 8:44pm:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2008/02/26/how-to-start-your-own-country-in-four-easy-steps/ "You must have a defined territory. They changed territory every time they won or lost a fight. You must have a permanent population. They wandered from place to place. You must have a government. There was no government. Your government must be capable of interacting with other states. They did - with nulla-nullas and spears... until the White Man put a stop to it on Civilisation Day."

Who's rules are they crappler? White Man's?
You moron  :D

John Smith wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 8:50pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 8:44pm: https://foreignpolicy.com/2008/02/26/how-to-start-your-own-country-in-four-easy-steps/ "You must have a defined territory. They changed territory every time they won or lost a fight. You must have a permanent population. They wandered from place to place. You must have a government. There was no government. Your government must be capable of interacting with other states. They did - with nulla-nullas and spears... until the White Man put a stop to it on Civilisation Day." Who's rules are they crappler? White Man's? You moron  :D

No - international rules accepted by all... even the mindless WOPs with the engine roaring and the blown clutch and gearbox in the brain... engine's running but the wheels aren't spinning... you know the type...

Australia Day should be 1 January.   Australia became a nation in 1901
when the six British colonies—New South Wales, Victoria, Queensland,
South Australia, Western Australia and Tasmania—united to form the
Commonwealth of Australia.

And this could be the new republic's national flag...

https://warrenmars.com/soap_box/australia/aboriginal_corner.png

Then we can all be treated equally, eh?  No more preferential treatment for special interest groups and minorities..... you know who I mean...

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AusGeoff wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:35pm:

Australia Day should be 1 January.   Australia became a nation in 1901 when the six British colonies—New South Wales, Victoria, Queensland, South Australia, Western Australia and Tasmania—united to form the Commonwealth of Australia. And this could be the new republic's national flag... https://warrenmars.com/soap_box/australia/aboriginal_corner.png

Over my dead body

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 9:35pm:

Australia Day should be 1 January.   Australia became a nation in 1901 when the six British colonies—New South Wales, Victoria, Queensland, South Australia, Western Australia and Tasmania—united to form the Commonwealth of Australia. And this could be the new republic's national flag... https://warrenmars.com/soap_box/australia/aboriginal_corner.png

;D re: the flag  ::)

John Smith wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 8:41pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 6:54pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:43am: Belgarion wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:14am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:11am: Belgarion wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:00am: If people want to work on a public holiday then that's entirely up to them. No need to bring the anti-Australian politics of the woke bedwetters  into it. Explain how wanting to change a symbolic date makes someone anti-Australian....The debate comes up every Jan 26, it won't go away because of your right wing leanings....Put forward a valid argument against changing the date instead of arguing irellivant bullshit??? ::) ::) ::) How about a valid argument as to why it should be changed? But there isn't one, is there? The main Argument is that having the date celebrate the day the first nations people were colonized and Australia was declared British land....This does not sit well with many Australian's who have no link too British ancesstory....Why not change the date so all Australian's can celebrate if they wish....Patriotism is bullshit anyway IMO??? Here are some reasons if you actually give a crap??? https://www.australianethical.com.au/blog/australia-day-why-we-need-to-change-the-date/#:~:text=There%20are%20many%20things%20we,of%20mourning%20rather%20than%20celebration. https://crescentwealth.com.au/articles/8-reasons-why-the-date-for-australia-day-should-be-changed/ https://www.news.com.au/national/why-australia-day-has-to-change-from-january-26/news-story/e9cc240a65f3da20ada71ef0dfae79ca Now explain how wanting to change a symbolic date makes someone anti-Australian??? ::) ::) ::) Here's where your stupidity comes to the fore.. there never were any nations or a nation of one group here. You think in a fantasy .. a delusion. Speaking of stupidity,  wtf has your rant to do with anything? No one said there was a rant. Just more rabid nonsense so you can sprout your stupidity

Spec Savers? the response was to the "first nations" BS.

Much like your BS.

Gnads wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 10:03am:

John Smith wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 8:41pm: Gnads wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 6:54pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:43am: Belgarion wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:14am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:11am: Belgarion wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:00am: If people want to work on a public holiday then that's entirely up to them. No need to bring the anti-Australian politics of the woke bedwetters  into it. Explain how wanting to change a symbolic date makes someone anti-Australian....The debate comes up every Jan 26, it won't go away because of your right wing leanings....Put forward a valid argument against changing the date instead of arguing irellivant bullshit??? ::) ::) ::) How about a valid argument as to why it should be changed? But there isn't one, is there? The main Argument is that having the date celebrate the day the first nations people were colonized and Australia was declared British land....This does not sit well with many Australian's who have no link too British ancesstory....Why not change the date so all Australian's can celebrate if they wish....Patriotism is bullshit anyway IMO??? Here are some reasons if you actually give a crap??? https://www.australianethical.com.au/blog/australia-day-why-we-need-to-change-the-date/#:~:text=There%20are%20many%20things%20we,of%20mourning%20rather%20than%20celebration. https://crescentwealth.com.au/articles/8-reasons-why-the-date-for-australia-day-should-be-changed/ https://www.news.com.au/national/why-australia-day-has-to-change-from-january-26/news-story/e9cc240a65f3da20ada71ef0dfae79ca Now explain how wanting to change a symbolic date makes someone anti-Australian??? ::) ::) ::) Here's where your stupidity comes to the fore.. there never were any nations or a nation of one group here. You think in a fantasy .. a delusion. Speaking of stupidity,  wtf has your rant to do with anything? No one said there was a rant. Just more rabid nonsense so you can sprout your stupidity Spec Savers? the response was to the "first nations" BS. Much like your BS.

So your purile argument is calling Aboriginal and Torris Straight people "First Nation" is incorrect because Australia was not a nation....Perhaps first inhabitants would be more acceptable to your pathetic criticism....Australia was declared Terra nullius by the British!!!


Quote:

Terra nullius is a Latin expression meaning "nobody's land". It was a principle sometimes used in international law to justify claims that territory may be acquired by a state's occupation of it.

Aboriginal people were not even counted in the Census untill after 1967....Typical bullshit no response to the argument from a rabid racist....Aboriginal peole were here first and treated abohrently by the British and Colonials....Australia has nothing to be proud of with it's treatment of it's indiginous population!!!

::) ::) ::)

That's 'First NationS' - and what they were - were small wandering hunter gatherer groups.... hardly nations.... perhaps 300,000 people had over 100 languages and dialects..... so Nation is a misnomer.....

That's the point..... it's a title and nothing more, alluding to the fact of their having a common background in their group etc... but they did not constitute a single nation or a government and therefore could not be a Nation.

3% of the population must be prevented from wagging the dog......

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Nothing but 500 small tribes wandering around naked and raping, murdering and eating children.

No economy no permanent buildings no agriculture just hunter gatherers and nothing to show for 50,000 years but a fart noise down a hollow log.

Big deal

Frank wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 6:29pm:

NAIDOC week is 2-9 July 2023.  What is the significance of those dates in the Aboriginal calendar? Nothing. There is no Aboriginal calendar and with the possible exception of Aborigines in Sydney Cove, 26 January 1788 went COMPLETELY unremarked. Getting agitated by that date is pure hate and resentment and toxic self pity - even though almost all Aborigines today have significant European settler or other immigrant blood. How do they reconcile their hearts with that immense hate for their own forebears? It is a toxic stance and it is cultivated by toxic  Europeans with zero Aboriginality, like Thick-as Gino, Tut-tutsie Bbwian, Poison Pill of Perth et al.

I wonder what Pearson's and Price's views (abos - I can't say blacks, because Price looks white -  on opposing sides of the voice debate)  are on such things as the date, and Mt Warning.

Her Mum doesn't look white

Sorry - that should have been 1100+ languages... not 100... my slip.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 12:21pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 6:29pm: NAIDOC week is 2-9 July 2023.  What is the significance of those dates in the Aboriginal calendar? Nothing. There is no Aboriginal calendar and with the possible exception of Aborigines in Sydney Cove, 26 January 1788 went COMPLETELY unremarked. Getting agitated by that date is pure hate and resentment and toxic self pity - even though almost all Aborigines today have significant European settler or other immigrant blood. How do they reconcile their hearts with that immense hate for their own forebears? It is a toxic stance and it is cultivated by toxic  Europeans with zero Aboriginality, like Thick-as Gino, Tut-tutsie Bbwian, Poison Pill of Perth et al. I wonder what Pearson's and Price's views (abos - I can't say blacks, because Price looks white -  on opposing sides of the voice debate)  are on such things as the date, and Mt Warning.

Maybe if you've got a seeing eye dog and a white stick ...

https://www.clp.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/jacinta-price.jpg

Boris wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 6:34am:

AusGeoff wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:35pm: Australia Day should be 1 January.   Australia became a nation in 1901 when the six British colonies—New South Wales, Victoria, Queensland, South Australia, Western Australia and Tasmania—united to form the Commonwealth of Australia. And this could be the new republic's national flag... https://warrenmars.com/soap_box/australia/aboriginal_corner.png Over my dead body

Typical of flag wavers, preferring to die for ideology, than live for life.

It' a good point made by Aussie that the nation was born in 1901 (with federation), not 1788. Maybe a celebration of 1901 will bring the non-extremists among the black population around to a celebration of modern Oz's foundation, because Jan 1 1901 was NOT "invasion day".   

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 12:35pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 12:21pm: Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 6:29pm: NAIDOC week is 2-9 July 2023.  What is the significance of those dates in the Aboriginal calendar? Nothing. There is no Aboriginal calendar and with the possible exception of Aborigines in Sydney Cove, 26 January 1788 went COMPLETELY unremarked. Getting agitated by that date is pure hate and resentment and toxic self pity - even though almost all Aborigines today have significant European settler or other immigrant blood. How do they reconcile their hearts with that immense hate for their own forebears? It is a toxic stance and it is cultivated by toxic  Europeans with zero Aboriginality, like Thick-as Gino, Tut-tutsie Bbwian, Poison Pill of Perth et al. I wonder what Pearson's and Price's views (abos - I can't say blacks, because Price looks white -  on opposing sides of the voice debate)  are on such things as the date, and Mt Warning. Maybe if you've got a seeing eye dog and a white stick ... https://www.clp.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/jacinta-price.jpg

Priceless ...but wouldn't you feel silly saying she is "black"?

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21^st, 2022 at 10:09pm:

Then we can all be treated equally, eh?  No more preferential treatment for special interest groups and minorities..... you know who I mean...

certainly, but the huge gap based on skin colour will need to be closed.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 10:39am:

Gnads wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 10:03am: John Smith wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 8:41pm: Gnads wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 6:54pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:43am: Belgarion wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:14am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:11am: Belgarion wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:00am: If people want to work on a public holiday then that's entirely up to them. No need to bring the anti-Australian politics of the woke bedwetters  into it. Explain how wanting to change a symbolic date makes someone anti-Australian....The debate comes up every Jan 26, it won't go away because of your right wing leanings....Put forward a valid argument against changing the date instead of arguing irellivant bullshit??? ::) ::) ::) How about a valid argument as to why it should be changed? But there isn't one, is there? The main Argument is that having the date celebrate the day the first nations people were colonized and Australia was declared British land....This does not sit well with many Australian's who have no link too British ancesstory....Why not change the date so all Australian's can celebrate if they wish....Patriotism is bullshit anyway IMO??? Here are some reasons if you actually give a crap??? https://www.australianethical.com.au/blog/australia-day-why-we-need-to-change-the-date/#:~:text=There%20are%20many%20things%20we,of%20mourning%20rather%20than%20celebration. https://crescentwealth.com.au/articles/8-reasons-why-the-date-for-australia-day-should-be-changed/ https://www.news.com.au/national/why-australia-day-has-to-change-from-january-26/news-story/e9cc240a65f3da20ada71ef0dfae79ca Now explain how wanting to change a symbolic date makes someone anti-Australian??? ::) ::) ::) Here's where your stupidity comes to the fore.. there never were any nations or a nation of one group here. You think in a fantasy .. a delusion. Speaking of stupidity,  wtf has your rant to do with anything? No one said there was a rant. Just more rabid nonsense so you can sprout your stupidity Spec Savers? the response was to the "first nations" BS. Much like your BS. So your purile argument is calling Aboriginal and Torris Straight people "First Nation" is incorrect because Australia was not a nation....Perhaps first inhabitants would be more acceptable to your pathetic criticism....Australia was declared Terra nullius by the British!!! Quote: Terra nullius is a Latin expression meaning "nobody's land". It was a principle sometimes used in international law to justify claims that territory may be acquired by a state's occupation of it. Aboriginal people were not even counted in the Census untill after 1967....Typical bullshit no response to the argument from a rabid racist....Aboriginal peole were here first and treated abohrently by the British and Colonials....Australia has nothing to be proud of with it's treatment of it's indiginous population!!! ::) ::) ::)

And neither did any colonising/conquering groups or nations throughout the human history of the globe. But those countries grew & changed with the times.

The Indonesians are still committing genocide & oppressing the Melanesians of West Papua.

Aboriginals may have been here first but they had no discernable nation/s or civilization to the British observers at the time. They were scattered tribal groups of people.

They had no notion of "nation" or "ownership".


I'm indigenous to this land dopey .... I was born here.


First Peoples would be OK .... but there are none left ..... just as there are no British Capts, Governors, Troops or convicts left...

just descendants thereof.

You are just a guilt ridden over emotive SJW wanker.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 12:45pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 10:09pm: Then we can all be treated equally, eh?  No more preferential treatment for special interest groups and minorities..... you know who I mean... certainly, but the huge gap based on skin colour will need to be closed.

So my land claim for all that land up north of NSW plus plenty more running all the way down and up into Queensland will succeed?

OK.......

There is a gap created by social (mis)behaviour and personal choices such as wanting to do things your own way without 'interference' and living in the Ning Nang Nong...

The statistics show that - as well as showing the reality that some who change their ways succeed mightily and more.... same as everyone else..... some get the run others don't.. and it can never be determined on the basis of sex, colour, language, religion or anything else if you are fair dinkum.... but ONLY on genuine circumstances and needs.

If I choose to live in the Ning Nang Nong and fish all day and fight all night instead of going to school and on and getting into a trade or profession or even moving somewhere where there is real work..... that is my choice.... but you don't believe in personal sovereignty to you?

That only counts when people choose to join a volunteer force to defend your country etc.. without which umbrella you would have no voice whatsoever, same as everyone else.. told ya the Cheers are not Robinson Crusoe's Black Man Friday here... we are all - most of us - some Black Man Friday ..... every man is another man's black person in some way or another unless he's an ivory tower dweller ..... Free State of Jones - bad movie but hell......

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 12:41pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 12:35pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 12:21pm: Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 6:29pm: NAIDOC week is 2-9 July 2023.  What is the significance of those dates in the Aboriginal calendar? Nothing. There is no Aboriginal calendar and with the possible exception of Aborigines in Sydney Cove, 26 January 1788 went COMPLETELY unremarked. Getting agitated by that date is pure hate and resentment and toxic self pity - even though almost all Aborigines today have significant European settler or other immigrant blood. How do they reconcile their hearts with that immense hate for their own forebears? It is a toxic stance and it is cultivated by toxic  Europeans with zero Aboriginality, like Thick-as Gino, Tut-tutsie Bbwian, Poison Pill of Perth et al. I wonder what Pearson's and Price's views (abos - I can't say blacks, because Price looks white -  on opposing sides of the voice debate)  are on such things as the date, and Mt Warning. Maybe if you've got a seeing eye dog and a white stick ... https://www.clp.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/jacinta-price.jpg Priceless ...but wouldn't you feel silly saying she is "black"?

Not at all - she doesn't mind at all... it's her hallmark and credential for speaking out..... along with direct contact with the real victims of crimes there..... why would I feel silly any more than her calling me White?  ;) 

We prefer the term Australian......................................... ;)

Gnads wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 12:53pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 10:39am: Gnads wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 10:03am: John Smith wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 8:41pm: Gnads wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 6:54pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:43am: Belgarion wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:14am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:11am: Belgarion wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:00am: If people want to work on a public holiday then that's entirely up to them. No need to bring the anti-Australian politics of the woke bedwetters  into it. Explain how wanting to change a symbolic date makes someone anti-Australian....The debate comes up every Jan 26, it won't go away because of your right wing leanings....Put forward a valid argument against changing the date instead of arguing irellivant bullshit??? ::) ::) ::) How about a valid argument as to why it should be changed? But there isn't one, is there? The main Argument is that having the date celebrate the day the first nations people were colonized and Australia was declared British land....This does not sit well with many Australian's who have no link too British ancesstory....Why not change the date so all Australian's can celebrate if they wish....Patriotism is bullshit anyway IMO??? Here are some reasons if you actually give a crap??? https://www.australianethical.com.au/blog/australia-day-why-we-need-to-change-the-date/#:~:text=There%20are%20many%20things%20we,of%20mourning%20rather%20than%20celebration. https://crescentwealth.com.au/articles/8-reasons-why-the-date-for-australia-day-should-be-changed/ https://www.news.com.au/national/why-australia-day-has-to-change-from-january-26/news-story/e9cc240a65f3da20ada71ef0dfae79ca Now explain how wanting to change a symbolic date makes someone anti-Australian??? ::) ::) ::) Here's where your stupidity comes to the fore.. there never were any nations or a nation of one group here. You think in a fantasy .. a delusion. Speaking of stupidity,  wtf has your rant to do with anything? No one said there was a rant. Just more rabid nonsense so you can sprout your stupidity Spec Savers? the response was to the "first nations" BS. Much like your BS. So your purile argument is calling Aboriginal and Torris Straight people "First Nation" is incorrect because Australia was not a nation....Perhaps first inhabitants would be more acceptable to your pathetic criticism....Australia was declared Terra nullius by the British!!! Quote: Terra nullius is a Latin expression meaning "nobody's land". It was a principle sometimes used in international law to justify claims that territory may be acquired by a state's occupation of it. Aboriginal people were not even counted in the Census untill after 1967....Typical bullshit no response to the argument from a rabid racist....Aboriginal peole were here first and treated abohrently by the British and Colonials....Australia has nothing to be proud of with it's treatment of it's indiginous population!!! ::) ::) ::) And neither did any colonising/conquering groups or nations throughout the human history of the globe. But those countries grew & changed with the times. The Indonesians are still committing genocide & oppressing the Melanesians of West Papua. Aboriginals may have been here first but they had no discernable nation/s or civilization to the British observers at the time. They were scattered tribal groups of people. They had no notion of "nation" or "ownership". I'm indigenous to this land dopey .... I was born here. First Peoples would be OK .... but there are none left ..... just as there are no British Capts, Governors, Troops or convicts left... just descendants thereof. You are just a guilt ridden over emotive SJW wanker.

You are not a decendant of the "First Nation" people you cock sucker....You are a racist right wing wanker with no credability and no argument....Using the argument that other people were treated worse shows what a racist dickhead you are....If history doesn't matter why do you cling to Mother f@cking England you closet POME bastard???

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 1:12pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 12:53pm: [quote author=philperth2010 link=1671562349/112#112 date=1671669557] And neither did any colonising/conquering groups or nations throughout the human history of the globe. But those countries grew & changed with the times. The Indonesians are still committing genocide & oppressing the Melanesians of West Papua. Aboriginals may have been here first but they had no discernable nation/s or civilization to the British observers at the time. They were scattered tribal groups of people. They had no notion of "nation" or "ownership". I'm indigenous to this land dopey .... I was born here. First Peoples would be OK .... but there are none left ..... just as there are no British Capts, Governors, Troops or convicts left... just descendants thereof. You are just a guilt ridden over emotive SJW wanker. You are not a decendant of the "First Nation" people you cock sucker....You are a racist right wing wanker with no credability and no argument....Using the argument that other people were treated worse shows what a racist dickhead you are....If history doesn't matter why do you cling to Mother f@cking England you closet POME bastard??? :-? :-? :-?

I'm Indigenous going back to the 1850's.... so were my parents and grandparents Indigenous, and even great-grandparents... all born here...

Where's my Voice and all my land rights and all the rest of it.... as for POME - my DNA says Swedish/Danish/Scottish/Irish/Welsh/Cornish/European Jewish/English........ not much POME in there, lad... and my olive skin, same as my father's, speaks volumes methinks... dash of the tar in there somewhere - I could make a better claim than Pascoe... my grandmother once said to me - when I was playing up - that I was black.... dear god... the trauma ....   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D ... I identify as a tribe of One.... own language and all - a Nation in truth!!!

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 1:12pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 12:53pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 10:39am: Gnads wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 10:03am: John Smith wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 8:41pm: Gnads wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 6:54pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:43am: Belgarion wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:14am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:11am: Belgarion wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 9:00am: If people want to work on a public holiday then that's entirely up to them. No need to bring the anti-Australian politics of the woke bedwetters  into it. Explain how wanting to change a symbolic date makes someone anti-Australian....The debate comes up every Jan 26, it won't go away because of your right wing leanings....Put forward a valid argument against changing the date instead of arguing irellivant bullshit??? ::) ::) ::) How about a valid argument as to why it should be changed? But there isn't one, is there? The main Argument is that having the date celebrate the day the first nations people were colonized and Australia was declared British land....This does not sit well with many Australian's who have no link too British ancesstory....Why not change the date so all Australian's can celebrate if they wish....Patriotism is bullshit anyway IMO??? Here are some reasons if you actually give a crap??? https://www.australianethical.com.au/blog/australia-day-why-we-need-to-change-the-date/#:~:text=There%20are%20many%20things%20we,of%20mourning%20rather%20than%20celebration. https://crescentwealth.com.au/articles/8-reasons-why-the-date-for-australia-day-should-be-changed/ https://www.news.com.au/national/why-australia-day-has-to-change-from-january-26/news-story/e9cc240a65f3da20ada71ef0dfae79ca Now explain how wanting to change a symbolic date makes someone anti-Australian??? ::) ::) ::) Here's where your stupidity comes to the fore.. there never were any nations or a nation of one group here. You think in a fantasy .. a delusion. Speaking of stupidity,  wtf has your rant to do with anything? No one said there was a rant. Just more rabid nonsense so you can sprout your stupidity Spec Savers? the response was to the "first nations" BS. Much like your BS. So your purile argument is calling Aboriginal and Torris Straight people "First Nation" is incorrect because Australia was not a nation....Perhaps first inhabitants would be more acceptable to your pathetic criticism....Australia was declared Terra nullius by the British!!! Quote: Terra nullius is a Latin expression meaning "nobody's land". It was a principle sometimes used in international law to justify claims that territory may be acquired by a state's occupation of it. Aboriginal people were not even counted in the Census untill after 1967....Typical bullshit no response to the argument from a rabid racist....Aboriginal peole were here first and treated abohrently by the British and Colonials....Australia has nothing to be proud of with it's treatment of it's indiginous population!!! ::) ::) ::) And neither did any colonising/conquering groups or nations throughout the human history of the globe. But those countries grew & changed with the times. The Indonesians are still committing genocide & oppressing the Melanesians of West Papua. Aboriginals may have been here first but they had no discernable nation/s or civilization to the British observers at the time. They were scattered tribal groups of people. They had no notion of "nation" or "ownership". I'm indigenous to this land dopey .... I was born here. First Peoples would be OK .... but there are none left ..... just as there are no British Capts, Governors, Troops or convicts left... just descendants thereof. You are just a guilt ridden over emotive SJW wanker. You are not a decendant of the "First Nation" people you cock sucker....You are a racist right wing wanker with no credability and no argument....Using the argument that other people were treated worse shows what a racist dickhead you are....If history doesn't matter why do you cling to Mother f@cking England you closet POME bastard??? :-? :-? :-?

How the phukk would you know shyte for brains?

rabbit, rabbit, rabbit BS that's all you do ...

who's clinging to Mother England dickwad?

History shows that ever since man walked out of Africa they have been taking over, colonising others country & expanding across the globe.

Do you think the Australian continent should have been left in isolation?

That no one would have taken possession of it had the British not?

Pull ya head in ya sand groper nong.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 12:35pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 12:21pm: Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 6:29pm: NAIDOC week is 2-9 July 2023.  What is the significance of those dates in the Aboriginal calendar? Nothing. There is no Aboriginal calendar and with the possible exception of Aborigines in Sydney Cove, 26 January 1788 went COMPLETELY unremarked. Getting agitated by that date is pure hate and resentment and toxic self pity - even though almost all Aborigines today have significant European settler or other immigrant blood. How do they reconcile their hearts with that immense hate for their own forebears? It is a toxic stance and it is cultivated by toxic  Europeans with zero Aboriginality, like Thick-as Gino, Tut-tutsie Bbwian, Poison Pill of Perth et al. I wonder what Pearson's and Price's views (abos - I can't say blacks, because Price looks white -  on opposing sides of the voice debate)  are on such things as the date, and Mt Warning. Maybe if you've got a seeing eye dog and a white stick ... https://www.clp.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/jacinta-price.jpg

Beat me to it Graps

Pearson is a creamy too.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 12:41pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 12:35pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 12:21pm: Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 6:29pm: NAIDOC week is 2-9 July 2023.  What is the significance of those dates in the Aboriginal calendar? Nothing. There is no Aboriginal calendar and with the possible exception of Aborigines in Sydney Cove, 26 January 1788 went COMPLETELY unremarked. Getting agitated by that date is pure hate and resentment and toxic self pity - even though almost all Aborigines today have significant European settler or other immigrant blood. How do they reconcile their hearts with that immense hate for their own forebears? It is a toxic stance and it is cultivated by toxic  Europeans with zero Aboriginality, like Thick-as Gino, Tut-tutsie Bbwian, Poison Pill of Perth et al. I wonder what Pearson's and Price's views (abos - I can't say blacks, because Price looks white -  on opposing sides of the voice debate)  are on such things as the date, and Mt Warning. Maybe if you've got a seeing eye dog and a white stick ... https://www.clp.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/jacinta-price.jpg Priceless ...but wouldn't you feel silly saying she is "black"?

There are white aboriginals without a feature of Aboriginality that say they are black.

Price has a better chance by a country mile.

Here she is with her mother Bess.

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"You are not a decendant of the "First Nation" people you cock sucker....You are a racist right wing wanker with no credability and no argument....Using the argument that other people were treated worse shows what a racist dickhead you are....If history doesn't matter why do you cling to Mother f@cking England you closet POME bastard???"

Popcorn,Igor - a little early for the beer... but this space needs watching... he's losing it severely... you can always tell when they've lost the argument... like explaining to a crowd of Cheers that they are not Owners of that land up there but can carry out traditional things on non-FREEHOLD (nobody owns it)land ... they'd soon resort to violence... just the way they are...

Bet if they were under siege from them pesky Indonesians in a Genocide like West Papuans, they'd be cheering to see the Australian flag.... bloody hypocrites..... line up for the freebies any time....

Downe at Ye Olde Dole Office:-

"Aren't you Ngunnawalda Sugarson?"

"Nah - that's me cousin Gunnawalda Sugarson.. different, ye know..."

"OK - next!  Hey - aren't you Mohamed Alkabar?"

"Nah - that's me cousin, Mohammed Albakar - we're different....."

"OK - NEXT!!  Hey - aren't you John Smith?"

"Nah - that's me cousin John Smith..... we're different... look the same though."

"Get outta here, Smith!  That's ten times this week.... NEXT....."

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Prior to 1888, 26 January was very much a New South Wales affair, as each of the colonies had its own commemoration for its founding. In Tasmania, Regatta Day occurred initially in December to mark the anniversary of the landing of Abel Tasman.[34] South Australia celebrated Proclamation Day on 28 December. Western Australia had its own Foundation Day (now Western Australia Day) on 1 June.[25] The decision to mark the occasion of the First Fleet’s arrival in 1788 at Sydney Cove and Captain Arthur Phillip’s proclamation of British sovereignty over the eastern continent on 26 January was first made outside NSW by the Australian Natives' Association (ANA), a group of white "native-born" middle-class men formed in Victoria in 1871.[35] They dubbed the day "ANA Day".[5] In 1888, all colonial capitals except Adelaide celebrated "Anniversary Day". In 1910, South Australia adopted 26 January as "Foundation Day",[25] to replace another holiday known as Accession Day, which had been held on 22 January to mark the accession to the throne of King Edward VII, who died in May 1910.[36] The first Australia Day was established in response to Australia's involvement in World War I. In 1915, Ellen "Ellie" Wharton Kirke MBE, née Clements, mother of four servicemen, thought up the idea of a national day, with the specific aim of raising funds for wounded soldiers,[37] and the term was coined to stir up patriotic feelings.[38][36] In 1915 a committee to celebrate Australia Day was formed, and the date chosen was 30 July,[39] on which many fund-raising efforts were run to support the war effort.[40] It was also held in July in subsequent years of World War I: on 28 July 1916,[40] 27 July 1917,[41] and 26 July 1918.[42] The idea of a national day to be celebrated on 26 January was slow to catch on, partly because of competition with Anzac Day.[43] Victoria adopted 26 January as Australia Day in 1931,[28] and by 1935, all states of Australia were celebrating 26 January as Australia Day (although it was still known as Anniversary Day in New South Wales).[25] The name "Foundation Day" persisted in local usage.[44]

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1936–1960s Sesquicentenary parade in Sydney, 26 January 1938 The 150th anniversary of British settlement in Australia in 1938 was widely celebrated. Preparations began in 1936 with the formation of a Celebrations Council. In that year, New South Wales was the only state to abandon the traditional long weekend, and the annual Anniversary Day public holiday was held on the anniversary day – Wednesday 26 January.[25] The Commonwealth and state governments agreed to unify the celebrations on 26 January as "Australia Day" in 1946,[45] although the public holiday was instead taken on the Monday closest to the anniversary.[46] Historian Ken Inglis wrote in 1967 that Australia Day was not celebrated publicly in Canberra at that time.[43] 1988: Bicentenary In 1988, the celebration of 200 years since the arrival of the First Fleet was organised on a large scale as the Australian Bicentenary, with many significant events taking place in all major cities.[25] Over 2.5 million people attended the event in Sydney.[28] These included street parties, concerts, including performances on the steps and forecourt of the Sydney Opera House and at many other public venues, art and literary competitions, historic re-enactments, and the opening of the Powerhouse Museum at its new location. A re-enactment of the arrival of the First Fleet took place in Sydney Harbour, with ships that had sailed from Portsmouth a year earlier taking part.[25][28]

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_Day#1788%E2%80%931838]Source[/url]

Everybody likes to talk about Australia Day as if it has always been set in stone.  It hasn't.  It has only existed as a National Holiday since 1988.  How about we talk realistically about it, instead of all the emotional appeals to national pride we have seen, or is that too hard for some here?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 1:45pm:

Quote: Prior to 1888, 26 January was very much a New South Wales affair, as each of the colonies had its own commemoration for its founding. In Tasmania, Regatta Day occurred initially in December to mark the anniversary of the landing of Abel Tasman.[34] South Australia celebrated Proclamation Day on 28 December. Western Australia had its own Foundation Day (now Western Australia Day) on 1 June.[25] The decision to mark the occasion of the First Fleet’s arrival in 1788 at Sydney Cove and Captain Arthur Phillip’s proclamation of British sovereignty over the eastern continent on 26 January was first made outside NSW by the Australian Natives' Association (ANA), a group of white "native-born" middle-class men formed in Victoria in 1871.[35] They dubbed the day "ANA Day".[5] In 1888, all colonial capitals except Adelaide celebrated "Anniversary Day". In 1910, South Australia adopted 26 January as "Foundation Day",[25] to replace another holiday known as Accession Day, which had been held on 22 January to mark the accession to the throne of King Edward VII, who died in May 1910.[36] The first Australia Day was established in response to Australia's involvement in World War I. In 1915, Ellen "Ellie" Wharton Kirke MBE, née Clements, mother of four servicemen, thought up the idea of a national day, with the specific aim of raising funds for wounded soldiers,[37] and the term was coined to stir up patriotic feelings.[38][36] In 1915 a committee to celebrate Australia Day was formed, and the date chosen was 30 July,[39] on which many fund-raising efforts were run to support the war effort.[40] It was also held in July in subsequent years of World War I: on 28 July 1916,[40] 27 July 1917,[41] and 26 July 1918.[42] The idea of a national day to be celebrated on 26 January was slow to catch on, partly because of competition with Anzac Day.[43] Victoria adopted 26 January as Australia Day in 1931,[28] and by 1935, all states of Australia were celebrating 26 January as Australia Day (although it was still known as Anniversary Day in New South Wales).[25] The name "Foundation Day" persisted in local usage.[44] [quote]1936–1960s Sesquicentenary parade in Sydney, 26 January 1938 The 150th anniversary of British settlement in Australia in 1938 was widely celebrated. Preparations began in 1936 with the formation of a Celebrations Council. In that year, New South Wales was the only state to abandon the traditional long weekend, and the annual Anniversary Day public holiday was held on the anniversary day – Wednesday 26 January.[25] The Commonwealth and state governments agreed to unify the celebrations on 26 January as "Australia Day" in 1946,[45] although the public holiday was instead taken on the Monday closest to the anniversary.[46] Historian Ken Inglis wrote in 1967 that Australia Day was not celebrated publicly in Canberra at that time.[43] 1988: Bicentenary In 1988, the celebration of 200 years since the arrival of the First Fleet was organised on a large scale as the Australian Bicentenary, with many significant events taking place in all major cities.[25] Over 2.5 million people attended the event in Sydney.[28] These included street parties, concerts, including performances on the steps and forecourt of the Sydney Opera House and at many other public venues, art and literary competitions, historic re-enactments, and the opening of the Powerhouse Museum at its new location. A re-enactment of the arrival of the First Fleet took place in Sydney Harbour, with ships that had sailed from Portsmouth a year earlier taking part.[25][28]

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_Day#1788%E2%80%931838]Source[/url]

Everybody likes to talk about Australia Day as if it has always been set in stone.  It hasn't.  It has only existed as a National Holiday since 1988.  How about we talk realistically about it, instead of all the emotional appears to national pride we have seen, or is that too hard for some here?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)[/quote]


It's a national day for all Australians to celebrate our country first & foremost.

It's not a sorry day or an Invasion day.

Its a national holiday.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 1:45pm:

Everybody likes to talk about Australia Day as if it has always been set in stone.  It hasn't.  It has only existed as a National Holiday since 1988.  How about we talk realistically about it, instead of all the emotional appears to national pride we have seen, or is that too hard for some here?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Well - that don't mean nothin' - it's been around long enough to become ..... (rolling thunder in the distance)..... TRADITIONAL............  you want your culcha respected - you respect our Culture... that of the majority now - or those that want to hate on it can pack their bags...

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thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 12:45pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 10:09pm: Then we can all be treated equally, eh?  No more preferential treatment for special interest groups and minorities..... you know who I mean... certainly, but the huge gap based on skin colour will need to be closed.

There is no gap "based" on skin colour.

creating another myth?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  It seems my appeal has fallen on deaf ears.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

You have appeal? A peal of laughter? ;D ;D ;D ;D

"Prior to 1888, 26 January was very much a New South Wales affair, as each of the colonies had its own commemoration for its founding. In Tasmania, Regatta Day occurred initially in December to mark the anniversary of the landing of Abel Tasman.[34] South Australia celebrated Proclamation Day on 28 December. Western Australia had its own Foundation Day (now Western Australia Day) on 1 June.[25]"

So it's always been about Civilisation Day of one kind or another?  No problem-o, chief - but now we've graciously allowed even the Abos to participate in it and celebrate... just another Libation Day, innit... then we even give the Recent Imports a chance to become citizens!!!? 

Throw down a dozen or so quick ones and get down to some steady drinking...... that's the spirit... spirit?  Jameson's Irish double thanks ....

Gnads wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 2:27pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 12:45pm: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 10:09pm: Then we can all be treated equally, eh?  No more preferential treatment for special interest groups and minorities..... you know who I mean... certainly, but the huge gap based on skin colour will need to be closed. There is no gap "based" on skin colour. creating another myth?

Er ..the aboriginal people in Oz with actual black skin... ...with a life span a decade less on average than non-blacks, a result of a comparatively poor health status; incarceration rates among the highest in the world; poverty and unemployment rates multiples of those of the  non-black population

Care to define "myth"? (don't worry about "based", it means "related to"). 

lee wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 2:50pm:

You have appeal? A peal of laughter? ;D ;D ;D ;D

the 'law by the letter' again...true to form...

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 4:45pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 2:27pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 12:45pm: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 10:09pm: Then we can all be treated equally, eh?  No more preferential treatment for special interest groups and minorities..... you know who I mean... certainly, but the huge gap based on skin colour will need to be closed. There is no gap "based" on skin colour. creating another myth? Er ..the aboriginal people in Oz with actual black skin... ...with a life span a decade less on average than non-blacks, a result of a comparatively poor health status; incarceration rates among the highest in the world; poverty and unemployment rates multiples of those of the  non-black population Care to define "myth"? (don't worry about "based", it means "related to").

They've just GOT to stop killing one another.... that's their gap to close.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 4:45pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 2:27pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 12:45pm: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 10:09pm: Then we can all be treated equally, eh?  No more preferential treatment for special interest groups and minorities..... you know who I mean... certainly, but the huge gap based on skin colour will need to be closed. There is no gap "based" on skin colour. creating another myth? Er ..the aboriginal people in Oz with actual black skin... ...with a life span a decade less on average than non-blacks, a result of a comparatively poor health status; incarceration rates among the highest in the world; poverty and unemployment rates multiples of those of the  non-black population Care to define "myth"? (don't worry about "based", it means "related to").

with a life span a decade less on average than non-blacks, a result of a comparatively poor health status; they eat badly and choose their fights badly and choose their living areas badly and kill, starve and neglect one another at a higher rate ...

incarceration rates among the highest in the world;  they commit massively more crimes than any other social group and that's saying something....

poverty and unemployment rates multiples of those of the non-black population ....many choose to live in the Ning Nang Nong; many drink too much and fight too much; they abandon jobs and wander off to party for days (Maoris do it sometimes, too); they often have records for violence and are unnecessarily violent sometimes on the job; those who live in the Ning Nang Nong are far better off than the poor people living in the cities - but I've explained that all to you - they get all their enhanced traditional ways for food etc and cop fortnightly cash as well..... sandy beaches drinking rum every night....

Now enough of the crocodile tears - Kaffir - Heal Thyself!!

Just to suit management? Give up a paid Public Holiday or penalty rates?  They're not worth it............

Now on the side issue of ditching Australia Day....... let me laugh my head off.... if you don't like it - pack your bags...

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2022 at 4:45pm:

Gnads wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 2:27pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 12:45pm: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 10:09pm: Then we can all be treated equally, eh?  No more preferential treatment for special interest groups and minorities..... you know who I mean... certainly, but the huge gap based on skin colour will need to be closed. There is no gap "based" on skin colour. creating another myth? Er ..the aboriginal people in Oz with actual black skin... ...with a life span a decade less on average than non-blacks, a result of a comparatively poor health status; incarceration rates among the highest in the world; poverty and unemployment rates multiples of those of the  non-black population Care to define "myth"? (don't worry about "based", it means "related to").

Your "gap" is a myth - just like the gender pay gap myth.

The ability, the opportunity & the resources have been there for decades to change their situations.

You tell me why the people you speak of don't make the most of it?

Wouldn't be a matter of choice now would it?

As for actual black skinned Aboriginals - you know it's inappropriate to define them by skin colour?

And you say Jacinta Price looks white ;D

Here's the Aboriginal Student of the Year in the Northern Territory 2022.

You know the Territory? The place where the biggest number of black skinned Aboriginals live?


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Of those who completed their certificate of education this year, 228 were Aboriginal students, and 70 students hailed from remote communities. Mataranka High School recorded its first high school graduate and Laynhapuy Homeland School in East Arnhem Land saw six students complete year 12 for the first time.

Out of 1,352 eligible students finishing High School only 228 were Aboriginal & only 70 from remote communities.

Mataranka High School had only 1 student graduate gr. 12.

Another high school in east Arnhem had 6 complete year 12 for the 1st time ... that's complete it didn't say graduate.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-19/top-nt-year-12-students-for-2022-awarded-at-ceremony/101788424

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Gnads wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2022 at 8:03am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 4:45pm: Gnads wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 2:27pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 12:45pm: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 21st, 2022 at 10:09pm: Then we can all be treated equally, eh?  No more preferential treatment for special interest groups and minorities..... you know who I mean... certainly, but the huge gap based on skin colour will need to be closed. There is no gap "based" on skin colour. creating another myth? Er ..the aboriginal people in Oz with actual black skin... ...with a life span a decade less on average than non-blacks, a result of a comparatively poor health status; incarceration rates among the highest in the world; poverty and unemployment rates multiples of those of the  non-black population Care to define "myth"? (don't worry about "based", it means "related to").  Your "gap" is a myth - just like the gender pay gap myth.

Wrong. Black aboriginals have demonstrably worse social outcomes, as already mentioned (health, life expectancy, incarceration). And workers in age- and child care,  mostly women, are underpaid, which also is not a myth.    


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The ability, the opportunity & the resources have been there for decades to change their situations.

Black aboriginals can't change their circumstances related to 200 years of dispossession and discrimination, without the assistance of the nation's government. 


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You tell me why the people you speak of don't make the most of it?

People are committed to their culture; a smashed culture requires considered intervention to enable people to  prosper in a new dominant culture.



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Wouldn't be a matter of choice now would it?

No. If your culture is smashed, "choice" is moot.


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As for actual black skinned Aboriginals - you know it's inappropriate to define them by skin colour?

What's "appropriate" ie politically correct, is irrelevant; real black aboriginals are the ones suffering from the gap.


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And you say Jacinta Price looks white ;D

Yes - ie non-black skin.


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Here's the Aboriginal Student of the Year in the Northern Territory 2022. You know the Territory? The place where the biggest number of black skinned Aboriginals live? [quote]Of those who completed their certificate of education this year, 228 were Aboriginal students, and 70 students hailed from remote communities. Mataranka High School recorded its first high school graduate and Laynhapuy Homeland School in East Arnhem Land saw six students complete year 12 for the first time.

Out of 1,352 eligible students finishing High School only 228 were Aboriginal & only 70 from remote communities.

Mataranka High School had only 1 student graduate gr. 12.

Another high school in east Arnhem had 6 complete year 12 for the 1st time ... that's complete it didn't say graduate.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-19/top-nt-year-12-students-for-2022-awarded-at-ceremony/101788424[/quote]

Yes, and Emma King in the photo  has white (if tanned)  skin.