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Title: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by Bobby. on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 6:15pm

Massive helicopter crash on Gold Coast.

https://7news.com.au/news/gold-coast/grave-fears-as-helicopters-collide-near-sea-world-c-9331876

Four dead, three critical after helicopters collide near Sea World
Sea World Helicopters said it is ‘cooperating with all the authorities’.

Dominique Tassell / Gold Coast / Updated 21 mins ago

Four people have died and three others are in a critical condition after two helicopters collided and crashed at Broadwater on the Gold Coast.

Emergency services were called to the scene at about 2pm on Monday.

WATCH THE VIDEO ABOVE: Four people have died in a crash between two helicopters on the Gold Coast

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Acting Inspector Gary Worrell confirmed the helicopters crashed mid-air outside Sea World theme park and thanked the multiple members of the public who immediately attempted to provide help.

People on jetskis and in boats rushed to help the victims at the small sandbank before paramedics and police arrived on the scene.

They were confronted with a “significant incident”, Worrell said.

He said one of the two helicopters successfully landed after the collision, though its front was severely damaged.

“The other airframe has crashed and it was upside down,” he said.

Members of the public rendered immediate assistance, working alongside police to remove the people from the wreckage

They commenced first aid and tried to get those people to safety from the airframe that was upside down, Worrell said.

Queensland Ambulance Services also commended members of the public who rendered assistance.

Jayney Shearman from QAS said they attended to 13 people from both helicopters.

“There were three critical patients that were treated and there were six with minor injuries that were all transported through to hospital,” she said.

“The minor injuries were mainly glass shrapnel that had come from the impact.”

Shearman said there were a number of critical injuries, “what we call multi-system trauma which means that there was a lot of impact to the body”.

In the initial stages, she said, it was very important to have some basic life support which was being conducted by first aiders.

Two people, a woman and a child were taken to Gold Coast University Hospital while another child was airlifted to Queensland Children’s Hospital.

Six other people are at Robina Hospital being assessed in the emergency department and it is understood some may be eventually transferred to Gold Coast University Hospital.

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by AusGeoff on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 6:30pm

Considering its damage, it's incredible one of them was able to land...

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by Bobby. on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 6:35pm

Yes Geoff,
how the hell can 2 helicopters collide?
It was a clear day -
were the pilots drunk?

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by Bobby. on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 6:39pm

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-64142696

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by Johnnie on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 7:02pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 6:35pm:

Yes Geoff,
how the hell can 2 helicopters collide?
It was a clear day -
were the pilots drunk?

They were both in the same air space, it is going to happen like a car accident.

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by Sophia on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 7:28pm

Johnnie wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 7:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 6:35pm:

Yes Geoff,
how the hell can 2 helicopters collide?
It was a clear day -
were the pilots drunk?

They were both in the same air space, it is going to happen like a car accident.

It’s a tragic thing to happen… and watching the video it clearly looks to me it was the fault of the chopper taking off and into the chopper coming in to land.

Are they not in communication with each other since they are sharing the airspace?

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by Bobby. on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 7:32pm

Sophia wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 7:28pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 7:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 6:35pm:

Yes Geoff,
how the hell can 2 helicopters collide?
It was a clear day -
were the pilots drunk?

They were both in the same air space, it is going to happen like a car accident.

Of course they would be on same radio channel -
there's no possible excuse for what has happened.

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 7:36pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 7:32pm:

Sophia wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 7:28pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 7:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 6:35pm:

Yes Geoff,
how the hell can 2 helicopters collide?
It was a clear day -
were the pilots drunk?

They were both in the same air space, it is going to happen like a car accident.

Of course they would be on same radio channel -
there's no possible excuse for what has happened.

What's the bet they were both vaccinated?

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by Johnnie on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 7:49pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 7:32pm:

Sophia wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 7:28pm:

Johnnie wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 7:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 6:35pm:

Yes Geoff,
how the hell can 2 helicopters collide?
It was a clear day -
were the pilots drunk?

They were both in the same air space, it is going to happen like a car accident.

Of course they would be on same radio channel -
there's no possible excuse for what has happened.

They would have been on channel but not able to see 360 degrees from every angle.

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by The Grappler on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 8:07pm

Uncontrolled Airspace and Visual Flight Rules... the onus is on the pilots to keep their eyes out of the cockpit and when sharing a landing space, to communicate. Christ - even an organised and carefully observed landing and takeoff pattern or even approach and departure lines would have prevented this.... as in always take off to the south -always land from the north. That way any incoming flight can see you and will never be in your way at takeoff anyway since it is coming from behind.

Holidays..... (shrugs)....

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by John Smith on Jan 2^nd, 2023 at 8:16pm

It was only a matter of time. The way they are continuously flying in and out of there all day every day, I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner.

Seaworld couldn't leave a few minutes gap between landing/departure of flights for fear they might miss out on a couple of hundred bucks

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by Bobby. on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 11:11am

No new information on the TV news.

Nothing from radio recordings from the airport -
no cockpit voice recordings.
There is apparently a video but it wasn't shown.

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by Lisa Jones on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 11:29am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 11:11am:

No new information on the TV news.

Nothing from radio recordings from the airport -
no cockpit voice recordings.
There is apparently a video but it wasn't shown.

What a shocking thing to experience/witness 🥺😞

Have they released the names of the deceased yet?

🌹🌹🌹🌹

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by Bias_2012 on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 1:21pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 11:29am:

What a shocking thing to experience/witness 🥺😞

Channel 9 flatly refused to show the crash on TV, they said: "We are not going to let you see it" ... they cut the footage and we never got to see any crash

Did the crash really happen? it's up for debate

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 3:04pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 1:21pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 11:29am:

What a shocking thing to experience/witness 🥺😞

Oh, FFS ::)

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by Lisa Jones on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 3:12pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 3:04pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 1:21pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 11:29am:

What a shocking thing to experience/witness 🥺😞

Oh, FFS ::)

Oh it happened....

https://7news.com.au/news/qld/investigation-launched-after-deadly-helicopter-crash-on-the-gold-coast-c-9336684

We're very worried about the 36 yr old woman from Sydney and her family. Read here 👇

The other victims of the fatal incident have been identified as a husband and wife from Britain - aged 65 and 57 respectively. The fourth victim has been identified as a 36-year-old woman from Sydney.

Those severely injured include a 10-year-old boy, who is related to the Sydney woman, and a mother and son from Victoria, aged 33 and nine.

All three remain in hospital.

A witness described the collision as the aircraft having “smacked into each other” about 2pm on Monday.

“Then they broth dropped and one of the helicopters actually lit on fire,” the witness told 7NEWS.

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by John Smith on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 5:30pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 1:21pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 11:29am:

What a shocking thing to experience/witness 🥺😞

Only by morons

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by Sophia on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 5:33pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 1:21pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2023 at 11:29am:

What a shocking thing to experience/witness 🥺😞

What was it shown from a distance … someone’s personal vid probably with android phone… clearly showed the chopper took off into the chopper already in the air coming in to land.

What’s exactly is to debate?
I’m certain it’s for the aviation authority to have that filming as they conduct their investigation.

I was looking at the flight paths and helipads in the herald sun and it looks like them helipads are too close to each other maybe?
It showed the path the chopper that was already in the air had somehow made a circle and controlled landing in the sandbank after it was hit by the rotors of the chopper below.

Witnesses say the chopper that was taking off had its rotors ripped apart, had also caught fire too.

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by Bobby. on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 5:47am

I make a bet -

I bet there were warning signs: days, weeks or months before the accident -
that went ignored.

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by John Smith on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 7:41am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 5:47am:

I make a bet -

I bet there were warning signs: days, weeks or months before the accident -
that went ignored.

I spent many a time over the years sitting across the broadwater watching them zoom in and out wondering how they didn't crash ... it was inevitable they would crash eventually with one taking off whilst another is landing just 50 meters or so away. This was happening every 15 minutes, every day, 7 days a week

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by Bobby. on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 9:33am

John Smith wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 7:41am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 5:47am:

I make a bet -

I bet there were warning signs: days, weeks or months before the accident -
that went ignored.

It means the safety system has totally collapsed with
near misses not being reported.

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by John Smith on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 1:16pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 9:33am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 7:41am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 5:47am:

I make a bet -

I bet there were warning signs: days, weeks or months before the accident -
that went ignored.

It means the safety system has totally collapsed with
near misses not being reported.

Who was going to report it? Sea world? And miss out on $400 odd every 15 minutes per chopper? Or the pilots working for seaworld who would be told to stay home, without pay, whilst it was sorted?

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by Sophia on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 2:17pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 1:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 9:33am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 7:41am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 5:47am:

I make a bet -

I bet there were warning signs: days, weeks or months before the accident -
that went ignored.

It means the safety system has totally collapsed with
near misses not being reported.

Who was going to report it? Sea world? And miss out on $400 odd every 15 minutes per chopper? Or the pilots working for seaworld who would be told to stay home, without pay, whilst it was sorted?

I wish the helipads weren’t so close to each other.

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by AusGeoff on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 2:37pm

I'm guessing the chopper pilots were relatively unskilled, and
had become too lax about landing and liftoff procedures through
having done it a thousand times.

Complacency is a recipe for disaster.

How is it that these blokes flying in close formation never collided?

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by Bobby. on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 2:54pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 1:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 9:33am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 7:41am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 5:47am:

I make a bet -

I bet there were warning signs: days, weeks or months before the accident -
that went ignored.

It means the safety system has totally collapsed with
near misses not being reported.

Who was going to report it? Sea world? And miss out on $400 odd every 15 minutes per chopper? Or the pilots working for seaworld who would be told to stay home, without pay, whilst it was sorted?

Better than being dead. ::)

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by Belgarion on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 3:39pm

So many experts with so many opinions. I don't know who is at fault and so I will wait until the real experts have completed their examination. The only thing I am certain of is that it did happen, certain conspiracy theorists notwithstanding.

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by The Grappler on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 5:51pm

Looking at the video, I just can't see why one or the other didn't see the other..... they just kept going without a thought.

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by The Grappler on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 5:52pm

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 2:37pm:

Highly trained and with countless hours ... they do collide at times ... they are all arriving in the same direction. That's what I said - a properly organised landing space/schedule/approach-departure would have prevented this. The chopper taking off , pilot on left side, may have had cockpit frame in the way... but the other one, pilot on left side, should have had a clear view.

I'd say the CVRs and/or interviews with survivors will tell the story. Pilots distracted... loss of situational awareness.... chatting with passengers maybe on a 'milk run' done too many times. BTW - I hate those choppers - that type.

What a way to go....

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by The Grappler on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 6:14pm

Queenslund - beautiful one day - a killing field the next...

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by John Smith on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 6:54pm

Sophia wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 2:17pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 1:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 9:33am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 7:41am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 5:47am:

I make a bet -

I bet there were warning signs: days, weeks or months before the accident -
that went ignored.

It means the safety system has totally collapsed with
near misses not being reported.

Who was going to report it? Sea world? And miss out on $400 odd every 15 minutes per chopper? Or the pilots working for seaworld who would be told to stay home, without pay, whilst it was sorted?

I wish the helipads weren’t so close to each other.

That's part of the problem. They need one place for tourists to go and if they had to split tourists to two locations that could create confusion and cost them money as some might think it's not worth the bother

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by John Smith on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 6:56pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 2:54pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 1:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 9:33am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 7:41am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 5:47am:

I make a bet -

I bet there were warning signs: days, weeks or months before the accident -
that went ignored.

It means the safety system has totally collapsed with
near misses not being reported.

Who was going to report it? Sea world? And miss out on $400 odd every 15 minutes per chopper? Or the pilots working for seaworld who would be told to stay home, without pay, whilst it was sorted?

Better than being dead. ::)

They weren't planning on being dead

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by John Smith on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 6:57pm

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 2:37pm:

It's absolutely about complacency

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by aquascoot on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 7:21pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 1:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 9:33am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 7:41am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 5:47am:

I make a bet -

I bet there were warning signs: days, weeks or months before the accident -
that went ignored.

It means the safety system has totally collapsed with
near misses not being reported.

Who was going to report it? Sea world? And miss out on $400 odd every 15 minutes per chopper? Or the pilots working for seaworld who would be told to stay home, without pay, whilst it was sorted?

the chopper rides out of seaworld have nothing to do with the rest of seaworld

totally seperate company.

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 7:33pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 6:57pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 2:37pm:

It's absolutely about complacency

Sadly, yes. Probably.

Many things about tourism bother me.

Remember when that sea-plane in Sydney crashed on the harbour a few years ago?

Six family members were killed.

I was in that exact same plane two weeks before.

The pilot who died was the guy who served me at the bar right before I got on the plane.

The way they run it is, while one pilot is out flying the tourists in the plane the other one is back at the base serving at the bar and selling t-shirts in the souvenir shop.

I got a funny feeling about that when I saw it - here's a professional pilot, who should be focused on weather conditions, tides, etc., and he's selling beers and stubby holders while he waits for his turn to take the tourists on a joy flight.

He was a really nice guy, and I think about him and that poor family regularly.

For the sake of a quick tourist dollar, they all lost their lives.

Incredibly sad.

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by John Smith on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 7:57pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 7:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 1:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 9:33am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 7:41am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 5:47am:

I make a bet -

I bet there were warning signs: days, weeks or months before the accident -
that went ignored.

It means the safety system has totally collapsed with
near misses not being reported.

Who was going to report it? Sea world? And miss out on $400 odd every 15 minutes per chopper? Or the pilots working for seaworld who would be told to stay home, without pay, whilst it was sorted?

the chopper rides out of seaworld have nothing to do with the rest of seaworld

totally seperate company.

They're run by seaworld. I don't care how it's structured

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 12:14am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 5:51pm:

Looking at the video, I just can't see why one or the other didn't see the other..... they just kept going without a thought.

A couple of huge blind spots with helicopters.

Saw a video from inside chopper that landed back seat passenger tried to warn pilot just before blades hacked into cockpit

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by Redmond Neck on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 6:36am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 5:52pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 2:37pm:

I would have thought they would have had standard take off and landing proceedures, such as take off to the west and come on to land from the east for example

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by The Grappler on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 11:51am

Already been there, Red... rules are made for a reason, same as separation of flight levels ... it does seem from video the surviving pilot was distracted momentarily by passenger in the right seat, had cockpit frame in the way, and actually didn't look down to the left but straight ahead at all times. Remember - head on a swivel.... even driving a car that one time you don't look properly might kill you and never be distracted. Not that long ago I nearly hit a car in a roundabout when it was in my windscreen/window frame ... and I WAS looking!

https://au.news.yahoo.com/passengers-desperate-cockpit-act-seconds-before-horror-helicopter-crash-211853009.html?utm_source=Marketing&utm_medium=EDM&utm_campaign=EDM&utm_term=News&ncid=newsletter_edm_uf9cw7lph94

I used to fly and the first word is 'keep your eyes out of the cockpit in shared space' ... same any time for birds and such.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_level

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by The Grappler on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 11:52am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 12:14am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 5:51pm:

Looking at the video, I just can't see why one or the other didn't see the other..... they just kept going without a thought.

A couple of huge blind spots with helicopters.

Saw a video from inside chopper that landed back seat passenger tried to warn pilot just before blades hacked into cockpit

Yes - just saw that one, Baron. that frame right there I'd say.

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by Sophia on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 2:16pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 11:51am:

Watching that vid of back passenger trying to tap shoulder of pilot … from memory (correct me if I’m wrong) I recall we all wear headphones and can communicate more easily that way with pilot.
Did the passengers have earphones on?

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 10:49pm

Not sure if back seat passengers have microphones with headsets. They might be able to hear yet can't talk to pilot.

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by The Grappler on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 1:34am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 10:49pm:

Not sure if back seat passengers have microphones with headsets. They might be able to hear yet can't talk to pilot.

I did in my choppers sitting at the door facing out.... first out, last in. The pilots could talk to me. Hand signals for the rest.

Title: Re: Helicopters collide on Gold Coast.
Post by Xavier on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 5:19pm

I blame the fake blonde with the big tits in the bikini for distracting both Pilots. There is no other reason for such a stupid thing to happen. I bet she did the self-body-rub with tanning lotion too.
I've seen such dangerous women in action many a time, myself. But I never faltered. Seeing a Sofa out of nowhere while falling to my death, well - that's another thing. ;)