Top US Republican Kevin McCarthy struggling to secure speakership amid hardline opposition ::) ::)

Top US Republican Kevin McCarthy fails in three votes to become House speaker amid hardline opposition ::)

Republicans had the chance to pick Nancy Pelosi's successor. The vote quickly spiralled into chaos as they rejected Kevin McCarthy ::)

Sounds like they couldn't organised a chook raffle in the front bar of a pub...   :o

"Republican chaos: Kevin McCarthy loses successive votes for Speaker of the House"

Excellent   :)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 10:24am:

Top US Republican Kevin McCarthy fails in three votes to become House speaker amid hardline opposition ::) Republicans had the chance to pick Nancy Pelosi's successor. The vote quickly spiralled into chaos as they rejected Kevin McCarthy ::) Sounds like they couldn't organised a chook raffle in the front bar of a pub...   :o

BOOOOOOOM!!! NOW THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE!!!

https://mobile.twitter.com/PapiTrumpo/status/1610379403833364480

Frank wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 10:30am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 10:24am: Top US Republican Kevin McCarthy fails in three votes to become House speaker amid hardline opposition ::) Republicans had the chance to pick Nancy Pelosi's successor. The vote quickly spiralled into chaos as they rejected Kevin McCarthy ::) Sounds like they couldn't organised a chook raffle in the front bar of a pub...   :o BOOOOOOOM!!! NOW THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE!!! https://mobile.twitter.com/PapiTrumpo/status/1610379403833364480

Didn't Jim Jordan start dating his wife when she was 14?   :-/

https://am13.mediaite.com/med/cnt/uploads/2018/07/jim-jordan-1-1200x675.jpg

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 10:36am:

Frank wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 10:30am: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 10:24am: Top US Republican Kevin McCarthy fails in three votes to become House speaker amid hardline opposition ::) Republicans had the chance to pick Nancy Pelosi's successor. The vote quickly spiralled into chaos as they rejected Kevin McCarthy ::) Sounds like they couldn't organised a chook raffle in the front bar of a pub...   :o BOOOOOOOM!!! NOW THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE!!! https://mobile.twitter.com/PapiTrumpo/status/1610379403833364480 Didn't Jim Jordan start dating his wife when she was 14?   :-/ https://am13.mediaite.com/med/cnt/uploads/2018/07/jim-jordan-1-1200x675.jpg

And he 13. That screenshot has absolutely nothing to do with his wife.
Gawd, you ARE a vile, despicable lowlife, turd. Just fkkn obnoxious and repulsive.

McCarthy "struggling"?

Nope, the entire GOP is struggling to maintain any sort of political
relevance.  Unfortunately for the party, its focus for 2024 is being
disrupted by the failed former president, who should quietly retire
into the background and let the GOP develop and promote a decent
platform in preparation for 2024.

McCarthy is the leading candidate to replace Nancy Pelosi but is now
struggling to win the support of a small group on the right of his party.
Even with an endorsement from Trump, McCarthy fell short, although
Trump's endorsement could be seen by many as the kiss of death. 

McCarthy became the first nominee in 100 years to fail to win the gavel
from his fellow party members on the initial vote.     Oh dear.

A speaker's contest last went nine rounds in 1923 when MPs took
several days to elect Republican Frederick Gillett.

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 1:44pm:

McCarthy "struggling"? Nope, the entire GOP is struggling to maintain any sort of political relevance.  Unfortunately for the party, its focus for 2024 is being disrupted by the failed former president, who should quietly retire into the background and let the GOP develop and promote a decent platform in preparation for 2024. McCarthy is the leading candidate to replace Nancy Pelosi but is now struggling to win the support of a small group on the right of his party. Even with an endorsement from Trump, McCarthy fell short, although Trump's endorsement could be seen by many as the kiss of death.  McCarthy became the first nominee in 100 years to fail to win the gavel from his fellow party members on the initial vote.     Oh dear. A speaker's contest last went nine rounds in 1923 when MPs took several days to elect Republican Frederick Gillett.

Well, the WHOLE point of Trump has been that thinks can't go on in 2023 as they did  50 of 100 years ago.

Frank wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 12:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 10:36am: Frank wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 10:30am: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 10:24am: Top US Republican Kevin McCarthy fails in three votes to become House speaker amid hardline opposition ::) Republicans had the chance to pick Nancy Pelosi's successor. The vote quickly spiralled into chaos as they rejected Kevin McCarthy ::) Sounds like they couldn't organised a chook raffle in the front bar of a pub...   :o BOOOOOOOM!!! NOW THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE!!! https://mobile.twitter.com/PapiTrumpo/status/1610379403833364480 Didn't Jim Jordan start dating his wife when she was 14?   :-/ https://am13.mediaite.com/med/cnt/uploads/2018/07/jim-jordan-1-1200x675.jpg And he 13. That screenshot has absolutely nothing to do with his wife. Gawd, you ARE a vile, despicable lowlife, turd. Just fkkn obnoxious and repulsive.

Just to confirm then: Jim Jordan DID start dating his wife when she was 14.

Meanwhile:

Six former wrestlers say Rep. Jim Jordan knew about abusive OSU doctor

Tito Vazquez says he still remembers the day three decades ago when, as a wrestler at Ohio State University, the doctor he’d gone to see about a bloody nose insisted on examining his genitals. He also recalls how one of his coaches dismissed his immediate complaint.

“‘I have nothing to do with this,’” Vazquez quoted the assistant coach saying, as he effectively ended the conversation and went on with wrestling practice.

That coach, Vazquez says, was Jim Jordan, now an Ohio congressman and an influential voice in Republican politics, perhaps best known for his pugnacious defense of President Donald Trump during the recent impeachment proceedings.

Frank wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 12:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 10:36am: Frank wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 10:30am: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 10:24am: Top US Republican Kevin McCarthy fails in three votes to become House speaker amid hardline opposition ::) Republicans had the chance to pick Nancy Pelosi's successor. The vote quickly spiralled into chaos as they rejected Kevin McCarthy ::) Sounds like they couldn't organised a chook raffle in the front bar of a pub...   :o BOOOOOOOM!!! NOW THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE!!! https://mobile.twitter.com/PapiTrumpo/status/1610379403833364480 Didn't Jim Jordan start dating his wife when she was 14?   :-/ https://am13.mediaite.com/med/cnt/uploads/2018/07/jim-jordan-1-1200x675.jpg And he 13. That screenshot has absolutely nothing to do with his wife. Gawd, you ARE a vile, despicable lowlife, turd. Just fkkn obnoxious and repulsive.

Sounds like the old boy's in love, Greggery. Pillow talk, innit.

Take a dump in his coffin. He'll love you for life.

Sorry, death. Miam miam.

Jim is the ideal rethuglican house leader, they simply do not have a worse person available.

It is beyond simple understanding for some here but we need a Speaker who represents the American people. Not a go along to get along RINO!

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 8:53pm:

It is beyond simple understanding for some here but we need a Speaker who represents the American people. Not a go along to get along RINO!

Whom would you suggest?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 9:03pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:53pm: It is beyond simple understanding for some here but we need a Speaker who represents the American people. Not a go along to get along RINO! Whom would you suggest?

Anyone willing to stand up for the American Middle Class! This reach across the isle BS is always one sided in the favor of the other side! They always get less than all they want and we lose something and gain nothing!

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 9:03pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:53pm: It is beyond simple understanding for some here but we need a Speaker who represents the American people. Not a go along to get along RINO! Whom would you suggest?

Why not Kari Lake? I think she's available. The Speaker of the House doesn't have to be a member of the house.   ;D

Tap wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 10:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 9:03pm: Mortdooley wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:53pm: It is beyond simple understanding for some here but we need a Speaker who represents the American people. Not a go along to get along RINO! Whom would you suggest? Why not Kari Lake? I think she's available. The Speaker of the House doesn't have to be a member of the house.

They have to be human though.

Meanwhile, McCarthy has lost 6 rounds of voting   ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 11:27am:

...Meanwhile, McCarthy has lost 6 rounds of voting   ;D

Yes.  Ridiculous scenario, and only typifies the mentality of the
average GOP member.

McCarthy failed to gain the speaker’s post in three more successive votes.
The empty speaker’s position means that the House is at a standstill:
Without sworn members, it is unable to perform oversight, pass bills or
set up constituent services.

https://i.postimg.cc/bJRpDgRD/Screenshot-2023-01-05-at-16-38-59-House-Adjourns-for-a-2nd-Day-Without-a-Speaker.png
In a spectacle on the House floor not seen in 100 years, unrelenting
hard-right lawmakers refused repeatedly to throw their support behind
McCarthy.  This episode puts Republican divisions on vivid display,
grinding the House to a standstill and extending an ignominious start
to the new Republican majority, potentially foreshadowing an era of
dysfunction and disarray.

The 20 Republicans opposing McCarthy for the House speakership have
coalesced, for now at least, around Rep. Byron Donalds of Florida.

Without a speaker, the US House of Representatives essentially becomes
a useless entity.   Because none of its members can be sworn in until a
speaker is appointed, there are no lawmakers to respond to an emergency
or a crisis, only representatives-elect.

With no rules adopted, the legislative process cannot move forward; no
bills can be passed or resolutions adopted.

—Thank you very much GOP;  you continue to be the arseholes of American politics.

     >:(

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 8:53pm:

It is beyond simple understanding for some here but we need a Speaker who represents the American people. Not a go along to get along RINO!

I say, you're right there, Mort. How can a house of majority representatives not be able to elect a single speaker?

It is, quite simply, beyond understanding for some here.

Would you like to help us understand?

Cheers.

Tap wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 10:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 9:03pm: Mortdooley wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:53pm: It is beyond simple understanding for some here but we need a Speaker who represents the American people. Not a go along to get along RINO! Whom would you suggest? Why not Kari Lake? I think she's available. The Speaker of the House doesn't have to be a member of the house.   ;D

Excellent choice, Tap. Then we're agreed. Kari can become the new house speaker, Katie Hobbs can stick with the governor thing, and we'll call the lawsuits off, fair and square. Do you see?

I knew we could settle this. You watch, Mr Trump will get put back in the White House in no time. Why are the leftards so anal about democracy?

I mean, who cares?

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 4^th, 2023 at 8:53pm:

It is beyond simple understanding for some here but we need a Speaker who represents the American people. Not a go along to get along RINO!

The previous guy was the biggest RINO who ever served as President.

McCarthy is a compromised cowardly gutless turd but not a RINO.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 5^th, 2023 at 11:46pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:53pm: It is beyond simple understanding for some here but we need a Speaker who represents the American people. Not a go along to get along RINO! The previous guy was the biggest RINO who ever served as President. McCarthy is a compromised cowardly gutless turd but not a RINO.

Mr Trump's not a Republican, dear, he's a MAGA. WE WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.

Mr Trump purged the GOP of the Republicans, so you now have to be a MAGA.

Fair's fair, no?

Karnal wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 7:59am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 5th, 2023 at 11:46pm: Mortdooley wrote on Jan 4th, 2023 at 8:53pm: It is beyond simple understanding for some here but we need a Speaker who represents the American people. Not a go along to get along RINO! The previous guy was the biggest RINO who ever served as President. McCarthy is a compromised cowardly gutless turd but not a RINO. Mr Trump's not a Republican, dear, he's a MAGA. WE WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. Mr Trump purged the GOP of the Republicans, so you now have to be a MAGA. Fair's fair, no?

Quote:

MAGA. WE WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.

More like we will Make Trump Rich Again. MTRA

In Overnight Vote, Buffalo Guy Elected Speaker Of The House

https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/63b4b41f3c6c863b4b41f3c6c9.jpg

He's lost 11 ballots now.  Eleven!

He's gonna need a bigger pizza   ;D

WASHINGTON, D.C. — Today, Republicans in Congress are gathering to vote for their preferred politician who will let the voters down over the next two years.

"This is an honorable tradition, where we come together as team players to choose the one man who will most effectively preserve our power while doing the opposite of everything we promised our voters and spending trillions of dollars," said Rep. Dan Crenshaw. "Anyone who opposes our pick is anti-American!"

At publishing time, Republicans had considered just electing a Democrat Speaker of the House since there isn't much difference anyway.

https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/63b72ffc4de1d63b72ffc4de1e.jpg

This is great. Watching Republicans eat each other alive.

Frank wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 10:56am:

https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/63b72ffc4de1d63b72ffc4de1e.jpg

That works considering their first option was going to be Jar Jar McCarthy - Binks's older dumber brother.

Marla wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 12:12pm:

This is great. Watching Republicans eat each other alive.

They couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 10:50am:

He's lost 11 ballots now.  Eleven! He's gonna need a bigger pizza   ;D

Eminently preferable to the unanimous 'election' of Xi Who Must Be Obeyed or Boy Kim as life-time supreme dictators.

Frank wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 1:18pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 10:50am: He's lost 11 ballots now.  Eleven! He's gonna need a bigger pizza   ;D Eminently preferable to the unanimous 'election' of Xi Who Must Be Obeyed or Boy Kim as life-time supreme dictators.

Hey, that's Failed Forty Five's bum buddies you're talking about there.

https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/c_fill,g_auto,w_1200,h_675,ar_16:9/https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.cnn.com%2Fcnnnext%2Fdam%2Fassets%2F190628135731-20190628-kim-trump-xi-illo.jpg

Frank wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 1:18pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 10:50am: He's lost 11 ballots now.  Eleven! He's gonna need a bigger pizza   ;D Eminently preferable to the unanimous 'election' of Xi Who Must Be Obeyed or Boy Kim as life-time supreme dictators.

You seem oblivious to the fact that this is exactly what trump was trying to setup for himself with his insurrection.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 3:13pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 1:18pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 10:50am: He's lost 11 ballots now.  Eleven! He's gonna need a bigger pizza   ;D Eminently preferable to the unanimous 'election' of Xi Who Must Be Obeyed or Boy Kim as life-time supreme dictators. You seem oblivious to the fact that this is exactly what trump was trying to setup for himself with his insurrection.

:D :D :D

https://media.tenor.com/3W23pfxaRwMAAAAS/duck-peas.gif

Failed Forty Five has suffered another massive election defeat.

"The former president was nominated for House speaker twice on Thursday. He failed to garner a majority of votes on both ballots."

Donald Trump Loses Another Election

Former President Donald Trump was nominated for House speaker on Thursday but lost badly, failing to secure the hundreds of votes needed to take the gavel.

Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) nominated Trump on the seventh and eighth ballots of voting, in a protest against Rep. Kevin McCarthy (Calif.), the top House Republican who is facing a conservative revolt over his bid for speaker. Gaetz was the only lawmaker who cast his vote for Trump.

One vote.  He received one vote   ;D

Tell us again how popular the bloated orange alleged child rapist is.

Contrast this:

Over half of Republican voters do NOT want McCarthy as the Speaker

Over half of their "respresentives" do.
Bo Snerdley





WASHINGTON, D.C. — Today, Republicans in Congress are gathering to vote for their preferred politician who will let the voters down over the next two years.

"This is an honorable tradition, where we come together as team players to choose the one man who will most effectively preserve our power while doing the opposite of everything we promised our voters and spending trillions of dollars," said Rep. Dan Crenshaw. "Anyone who opposes our pick is anti-American!"

At publishing time, Republicans had considered just electing a Democrat Speaker of the House since there isn't much difference anyway.

Frank wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 5:09pm:

Contrast this: Over half of Republican voters do NOT want McCarthy as the Speaker Over half of their "respresentives" do.

And only one person wants Trump.

https://www.animatedimages.org/data/media/1309/animated-laughing-image-0187.gif

Frank wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 5:09pm:

Contrast this: Over half of Republican voters do NOT want McCarthy as the Speaker Over half of their "respresentives" do. Bo Snerdley WASHINGTON, D.C. — Today, Republicans in Congress are gathering to vote for their preferred politician who will let the voters down over the next two years. "This is an honorable tradition, where we come together as team players to choose the one man who will most effectively preserve our power while doing the opposite of everything we promised our voters and spending trillions of dollars," said Rep. Dan Crenshaw. "Anyone who opposes our pick is anti-American!" At publishing time, Republicans had considered just electing a Democrat Speaker of the House since there isn't much difference anyway.

Yet that doesn't change the fact that Trump only got one vote ;D ;D ;D ;D
  For Trump supporters it must hurt that their one time god has fallen out of favour with the republicans, I wonder if he threw his lunch against the wall when the results came out  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

scope wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 5:25pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 5:09pm: Contrast this: Over half of Republican voters do NOT want McCarthy as the Speaker Over half of their "respresentives" do. Bo Snerdley WASHINGTON, D.C. — Today, Republicans in Congress are gathering to vote for their preferred politician who will let the voters down over the next two years. "This is an honorable tradition, where we come together as team players to choose the one man who will most effectively preserve our power while doing the opposite of everything we promised our voters and spending trillions of dollars," said Rep. Dan Crenshaw. "Anyone who opposes our pick is anti-American!" At publishing time, Republicans had considered just electing a Democrat Speaker of the House since there isn't much difference anyway. Yet that doesn't change the fact that Trump only got one vote ;D ;D ;D ;D   For Trump supporters it must hurt that their one time god has fallen out of favour with the republicans, I wonder if he threw his lunch against the wall when the results came out  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

It was a joke nomination, Trump is not a congressman.

Frank wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 7:04pm:

scope wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 5:25pm: Frank wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 5:09pm: Contrast this: Over half of Republican voters do NOT want McCarthy as the Speaker Over half of their "respresentives" do. Bo Snerdley WASHINGTON, D.C. — Today, Republicans in Congress are gathering to vote for their preferred politician who will let the voters down over the next two years. "This is an honorable tradition, where we come together as team players to choose the one man who will most effectively preserve our power while doing the opposite of everything we promised our voters and spending trillions of dollars," said Rep. Dan Crenshaw. "Anyone who opposes our pick is anti-American!" At publishing time, Republicans had considered just electing a Democrat Speaker of the House since there isn't much difference anyway. Yet that doesn't change the fact that Trump only got one vote ;D ;D ;D ;D   For Trump supporters it must hurt that their one time god has fallen out of favour with the republicans, I wonder if he threw his lunch against the wall when the results came out  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D It was a joke nomination, Trump is not a congressman.

Oh, I see! Matt Gaetz, Congressman, erected the big fella as a joke, eh?

Good show. That'll teach the leftards, ja?

Mess with us, and we'll use the People's house to fake Making America Great all over Again.

Cunning, no?

Frank wrote on Jan 6^th, 2023 at 7:04pm:

scope wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 5:25pm: Frank wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 5:09pm: Contrast this: Over half of Republican voters do NOT want McCarthy as the Speaker Over half of their "respresentives" do. Bo Snerdley WASHINGTON, D.C. — Today, Republicans in Congress are gathering to vote for their preferred politician who will let the voters down over the next two years. "This is an honorable tradition, where we come together as team players to choose the one man who will most effectively preserve our power while doing the opposite of everything we promised our voters and spending trillions of dollars," said Rep. Dan Crenshaw. "Anyone who opposes our pick is anti-American!" At publishing time, Republicans had considered just electing a Democrat Speaker of the House since there isn't much difference anyway. Yet that doesn't change the fact that Trump only got one vote ;D ;D ;D ;D   For Trump supporters it must hurt that their one time god has fallen out of favour with the republicans, I wonder if he threw his lunch against the wall when the results came out  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D It was a joke nomination, Trump is not a congressman.

Oh, he's a joke alright - he received the lowest vote tally for speaker of the house in the history of the USA.

At this stage, I don't think there's anything Trump can't lose.

Moreover, the speaker of the house doesn't have to be a congressman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT-KX6HYDLg

What would you Leftists prefer, that Congress just let McCarthy waltz in and take the gavel like Putin, unopposed? These negotiations are what Democracy is all about. You are such a bunch of hypocrites, but you have everyone else's best interests at heart.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 7:37am:

What would you Leftists prefer, that Congress just let McCarthy waltz in and take the gavel like Putin, unopposed? These negotiations are what Democracy is all about. You are such a bunch of hypocrites, but you have everyone else's best interests at heart.

Nothing hypocritical about it, they have had how many months to choose a speaker?
But they choose to do it in the public forum , showing just how dysfunctional the republicans really are.Once again the rest of the world is laughing at the republicans, as if Trump wasnt enough.

It's sad that a once great political party has come down to being the party of me,me,me.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 7:37am:

What would you Leftists prefer, that Congress just let McCarthy waltz in and take the gavel like Putin, unopposed? These negotiations are what Democracy is all about. You are such a bunch of hypocrites, but you have everyone else's best interests at heart.

They're so stupid they don't realise Ayn Rand is rolling in her grave.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 7:37am:

What would you Leftists prefer, that Congress just let McCarthy waltz in and take the gavel like Putin, unopposed? These negotiations are what Democracy is all about. You are such a bunch of hypocrites, but you have everyone else's best interests at heart.

I'd love to see this go on for the next 6 months.

How a small group of Republicans nicknamed the 'Never Kevins' scuttled Kevin McCarthy's career and caused days of chaos ::) ::)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo15qfSx_Ts

Kevin McCarthy loses 14th attempt to become US House speaker as tempers flare in late-night vote ::) ::)

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 9:54am:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 7:37am: What would you Leftists prefer, that Congress just let McCarthy waltz in and take the gavel like Putin, unopposed? These negotiations are what Democracy is all about. You are such a bunch of hypocrites, but you have everyone else's best interests at heart. I'd love to see this go on for the next 6 months.

I agree....in 6 months the Left will be so apoplectic they wont ever be able to see straight again ....IMHO in the end McCarthy will win....eventually.....but not a moment before he makes all the concessions the Conservative Right demands....way more than McCarthy has ever envisioned on having to support.......so far so very good..... https://i.imgur.com/AHGGZBG.png

In the mean time, the Socialist demon-RAT Left gets weaker, & weaker because all the necessary movement will have to be further to the Right....especially on progressive/socialist domestic spending levels/programs, & other budgetary matters that will require even deeper cuts to existing domestic spending in order to move even the most moderate of their policy legislation....

That all said.....McCarthy just won the Speakership......
https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/house-speaker-leadership-vote-01-06-23/index.html    https://imgur.com/jdAcdem.gif

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png

Who cares, who wins, Panther?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... 

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 4:42pm:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Who cares, who wins, Panther?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...

It's good that Kevin "won".

That means the far-right MAGA terrorists lost.

Having said that, McCarthy made so many concessions that the role of speaker is virtually powerless now.

He'll be thrown out of the seat by September.

It's so good watching the Republicans self implode   :)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 2:53pm:

Kevin McCarthy loses 14th attempt to become US House speaker as tempers flare in late-night vote ::) ::)

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 4:45pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 4:42pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Who cares, who wins, Panther?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  It's good that Kevin "won". That means the far-right MAGA terrorists lost. Having said that, McCarthy made so many concessions that the role of speaker is virtually powerless now. He'll be thrown out of the seat by September. It's so good watching the Republicans self implode   :)

McCarthy was always going to win....it was only a question of when would the Conservatives let him taste victory.

They obviously got more than they wanted from him.

So, how much did it cost the Left?

One thing is now assured, there will be no sweeping firearm legislation for Sleepy Joe....may Brandon's Leftist Policy, Anti-Second Amendment, Pro-Socialist Agenda enjoy the torments of hell! https://imgur.com/4F6nbS9.gif  https://i.imgur.com/7knGYnt.gif

The Far-Right is Still Alive....

Panther wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 5:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 4:45pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 4:42pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Who cares, who wins, Panther?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  It's good that Kevin "won". That means the far-right MAGA terrorists lost. Having said that, McCarthy made so many concessions that the role of speaker is virtually powerless now. He'll be thrown out of the seat by September. It's so good watching the Republicans self implode   :) McCarthy was always going to win....

I wasn't so sure, but I'm glad he did.

He's a spineless little turd who'll be ineffectual in the role.

Moreover, the MAGA terrorists - Matt Gaetz, Lauren Boebert, et al. - will be crying themselves to sleep tonight.

A great result   [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 6:10pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 5:37pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 4:45pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 4:42pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Who cares, who wins, Panther?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  It's good that Kevin "won". That means the far-right MAGA terrorists lost. Having said that, McCarthy made so many concessions that the role of speaker is virtually powerless now. He'll be thrown out of the seat by September. It's so good watching the Republicans self implode   :) McCarthy was always going to win.... I wasn't so sure, but I'm glad he did. He's a spineless little turd who'll be ineffectual in the role. Moreover, the MAGA terrorists - Matt Gaetz, Lauren Boebert, et al. - will be crying themselves to sleep tonight. A great result   [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Those others may have been more vocal, but 'The Freedom Caucus' was actually pulling the strings from day one......The Far Right Lives!

Panther wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 6:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 6:10pm: Panther wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 5:37pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 4:45pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 4:42pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5536/WEbaRN.png Who cares, who wins, Panther?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  It's good that Kevin "won". That means the far-right MAGA terrorists lost. Having said that, McCarthy made so many concessions that the role of speaker is virtually powerless now. He'll be thrown out of the seat by September. It's so good watching the Republicans self implode   :) McCarthy was always going to win.... I wasn't so sure, but I'm glad he did. He's a spineless little turd who'll be ineffectual in the role. Moreover, the MAGA terrorists - Matt Gaetz, Lauren Boebert, et al. - will be crying themselves to sleep tonight. A great result   [smiley=thumbsup.gif] Those others may have been more vocal, but 'The Freedom Caucus' was actually pulling the strings from day one......The Far Right Lives!

But the 'MAGA Squad' moves one step closer to death   :)

Speaking of which, will Matt Gaetz - the alleged child sex trafficker - resign now?

He said he would if Coward McCarthy won.

Quote:

Will Matt Gaetz - alleged sex offender - resign?

10,000 / 1

He is not an alleged hypocrite.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 7:00pm:

Quote: Will Matt Gaetz - alleged sex offender - resign? 10,000 / 1 He is not an alleged hypocrite.

Here are some fun facts. 

Facts about the two most vocal opponents of McCarthy: Matt Gaetz and Lauren Boebert.

1. Gaetz is currently under investigation for child sex trafficking.

2. Boebert is married to a convicted child sex offender.

3. Gaetz was living with a teenage boy from Cuba whom he claimed was his adopted son.  However, there are no adoption papers to support his claim.

4. Boebert is the most arrested congressperson in US history.

Birds of a feather.

Spare a thought for poor old Nancy&Co, they are not taking this transition well.

Johnnie wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 7:19pm:

Spare a thought for poor old Nancy&Co, they are not taking this transition well.

Lol   ;D

Nothing to do with Nancy - she resigned.

You really need to keep up on current events.

Johnnie wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 7:19pm:

Spare a thought for poor old Nancy&Co, they are not taking this transition well.

It can be fun to live in denial.

I was always embarrassed to say very stupid things, I don't really understand those who seem to enjoy it..

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 7:13pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 7:00pm: Quote: Will Matt Gaetz - alleged sex offender - resign? 10,000 / 1 He is not an alleged hypocrite. Here are some fun facts.  Facts about the two most vocal opponents of McCarthy: Matt Gaetz and Lauren Boebert. 1. Gaetz is currently under investigation for child sex trafficking. 2. Boebert is married to a convicted child sex offender. 3. Gaetz was living with a teenage boy from Cuba whom he claimed was his adopted son.  However, there are no adoption papers to support his claim. 4. Boebert is the most arrested congressperson in US history. Birds of a feather.

Rep. Lauren Boebert, the gun-toting freshman Republican Colorado congresswoman who ran on a law-and-order platform, has had several dust-ups with police, starting as a teenager.

The 34-year-old lawmaker, who beat her district’s very conservative Rep. Scott Tipton in a primary upset last June, has a rap sheet unusually long for a member of Congress.

Back in June 2015, Boebert was cuffed for disorderly conduct at a country music festival near Grand Junction, Colo., after police said she attempted to interfere in the arrest of minors busted for underage drinking (there's a theme developing) and encouraged the accused to run off.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 7:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 7:13pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 7:00pm: Quote: Will Matt Gaetz - alleged sex offender - resign? 10,000 / 1 He is not an alleged hypocrite. Here are some fun facts.  Facts about the two most vocal opponents of McCarthy: Matt Gaetz and Lauren Boebert. 1. Gaetz is currently under investigation for child sex trafficking. 2. Boebert is married to a convicted child sex offender. 3. Gaetz was living with a teenage boy from Cuba whom he claimed was his adopted son.  However, there are no adoption papers to support his claim. 4. Boebert is the most arrested congressperson in US history. Birds of a feather. Rep. Lauren Boebert, the gun-toting freshman Republican Colorado congresswoman who ran on a law-and-order platform, has had several dust-ups with police, starting as a teenager. The 34-year-old lawmaker, who beat her district’s very conservative Rep. Scott Tipton in a primary upset last June, has a rap sheet unusually long for a member of Congress. Back in June 2015, Boebert was cuffed for disorderly conduct at a country music festival near Grand Junction, Colo., after police said she attempted to interfere in the arrest of minors busted for underage drinking (there's a theme developing) and encouraged the accused to run off.

Boebert subsequently missed two court appearances and was arrested again in December 2015.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 7:13pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 7:00pm: Quote: Will Matt Gaetz - alleged sex offender - resign? 10,000 / 1 He is not an alleged hypocrite. Here are some fun facts.  Facts about the two most vocal opponents of McCarthy: Matt Gaetz and Lauren Boebert. 1. Gaetz is currently under investigation for child sex trafficking. 2. Boebert is married to a convicted child sex offender. 3. Gaetz was living with a teenage boy from Cuba whom he claimed was his adopted son.  However, there are no adoption papers to support his claim. 4. Boebert is the most arrested congressperson in US history. Birds of a feather.

Well, none of them mean anything to me as long as the Second Amendment is safer with the Freedom Caucus at the helm & deeply entrenched in both the House & the Senate.

Be patient......stand by, & watch......Watch them get stronger & stronger......The best is yet to come.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 7:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 7:22pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 7:13pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 7:00pm: Quote: Will Matt Gaetz - alleged sex offender - resign? 10,000 / 1 He is not an alleged hypocrite. Here are some fun facts.  Facts about the two most vocal opponents of McCarthy: Matt Gaetz and Lauren Boebert. 1. Gaetz is currently under investigation for child sex trafficking. 2. Boebert is married to a convicted child sex offender. 3. Gaetz was living with a teenage boy from Cuba whom he claimed was his adopted son.  However, there are no adoption papers to support his claim. 4. Boebert is the most arrested congressperson in US history. Birds of a feather. Rep. Lauren Boebert, the gun-toting freshman Republican Colorado congresswoman who ran on a law-and-order platform, has had several dust-ups with police, starting as a teenager. The 34-year-old lawmaker, who beat her district’s very conservative Rep. Scott Tipton in a primary upset last June, has a rap sheet unusually long for a member of Congress. Back in June 2015, Boebert was cuffed for disorderly conduct at a country music festival near Grand Junction, Colo., after police said she attempted to interfere in the arrest of minors busted for underage drinking (there's a theme developing) and encouraged the accused to run off. Boebert subsequently missed two court appearances and was arrested again in December 2015.

A year later, in September 2016, Boebert was charged with careless driving and operating an unsafe vehicle after rolling her truck into a ditch, police said. When she failed to show up for court a month later, a warrant was issued for her arrest. She was booked on Feb. 13, 2017. She ultimately pleaded guilty to the unsafe vehicle charge and paid $123.50 in fines and court costs.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 7:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 7:27pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 7:22pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 7:13pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 7:00pm: Quote: Will Matt Gaetz - alleged sex offender - resign? 10,000 / 1 He is not an alleged hypocrite. Here are some fun facts.  Facts about the two most vocal opponents of McCarthy: Matt Gaetz and Lauren Boebert. 1. Gaetz is currently under investigation for child sex trafficking. 2. Boebert is married to a convicted child sex offender. 3. Gaetz was living with a teenage boy from Cuba whom he claimed was his adopted son.  However, there are no adoption papers to support his claim. 4. Boebert is the most arrested congressperson in US history. Birds of a feather. Rep. Lauren Boebert, the gun-toting freshman Republican Colorado congresswoman who ran on a law-and-order platform, has had several dust-ups with police, starting as a teenager. The 34-year-old lawmaker, who beat her district’s very conservative Rep. Scott Tipton in a primary upset last June, has a rap sheet unusually long for a member of Congress. Back in June 2015, Boebert was cuffed for disorderly conduct at a country music festival near Grand Junction, Colo., after police said she attempted to interfere in the arrest of minors busted for underage drinking (there's a theme developing) and encouraged the accused to run off. Boebert subsequently missed two court appearances and was arrested again in December 2015. A year later, in September 2016, Boebert was charged with careless driving and operating an unsafe vehicle after rolling her truck into a ditch, police said. When she failed to show up for court a month later, a warrant was issued for her arrest. She was booked on Feb. 13, 2017. She ultimately pleaded guilty to the unsafe vehicle charge and paid $123.50 in fines and court costs.

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greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 7:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 7:27pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 7:22pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 7:13pm: Dnarever wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 7:00pm: Quote: Will Matt Gaetz - alleged sex offender - resign? 10,000 / 1 He is not an alleged hypocrite. Here are some fun facts.  Facts about the two most vocal opponents of McCarthy: Matt Gaetz and Lauren Boebert. 1. Gaetz is currently under investigation for child sex trafficking. 2. Boebert is married to a convicted child sex offender. 3. Gaetz was living with a teenage boy from Cuba whom he claimed was his adopted son.  However, there are no adoption papers to support his claim. 4. Boebert is the most arrested congressperson in US history. Birds of a feather. Rep. Lauren Boebert, the gun-toting freshman Republican Colorado congresswoman who ran on a law-and-order platform, has had several dust-ups with police, starting as a teenager. The 34-year-old lawmaker, who beat her district’s very conservative Rep. Scott Tipton in a primary upset last June, has a rap sheet unusually long for a member of Congress. Back in June 2015, Boebert was cuffed for disorderly conduct at a country music festival near Grand Junction, Colo., after police said she attempted to interfere in the arrest of minors busted for underage drinking (there's a theme developing) and encouraged the accused to run off. Boebert subsequently missed two court appearances and was arrested again in December 2015. A year later, in September 2016, Boebert was charged with careless driving and operating an unsafe vehicle after rolling her truck into a ditch, police said. When she failed to show up for court a month later, a warrant was issued for her arrest. She was booked on Feb. 13, 2017. She ultimately pleaded guilty to the unsafe vehicle charge and paid $123.50 in fines and court costs.

“It’s certainly of concern that on a couple of occasions she apparently failed to appear for court,” Tom Silverman, a Democrat and former president of the Colorado Municipal Judges Association, told The Post. “I was disappointed when she was elected.”

Colin Wilhelm, a Colorado defense attorney and Democrat who plans to challenge Boebert in 2022, agreed: “It’s concerning when you claim to be a member of ‘back the blue’ and yet are so anti-authority when they are trying to do their job.”

Panther wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 7:33pm:

Be patient......stand by, & watch......Watch them get stronger & stronger......The best is yet to come.

[This] embarrassing spectacle has attracted international scrutiny and raised more
questions about the future of the Republican party, as well as the US Congress. With
a narrow majority in the House and an unruly conference to lead, any Republican
speaker will face significant hurdles in trying to advance legislation.

When it comes to must-pass bills like a government funding package or a debt ceiling
hike, the Republican dysfunction displayed during the speakership election could
threaten the health and legitimacy of the US government and economy.

“If Republicans are unable to muster the votes for a speaker, it will make very clear
from the outset they cannot be counted on to fulfill the body’s basic responsibilities,”
Brendan Buck, a former senior adviser to House Republican leaders, wrote in a New
York Times op-ed [last] week. “No matter who emerges as the top House Republican,
the prolonged spectacle would leave the Republican majority hopelessly damaged from
the start, along with the institution of the House itself.”

Some of McCarthy’s allies have blamed their disappointing performance in November
on the extremism displayed by Trump and his acolytes. The speakership standoff will
only intensify voters’ concerns about the trajectory of the Republican party, they warn.

“If this remains the face of the GOP in 2024, we will get pummeled in the presidential
and congressional elections,” Congressman Don Bacon, a Republican of Nebraska and
a McCarthy supporter [said]. “We would have won more seats in 2022, but too many
feared the extremes in the GOP even before this.”

—Excerpted from The Guardian Australia, 7 January.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 8:03pm:

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Trump.

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 8:33pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 7:33pm: Be patient......stand by, & watch......Watch them get stronger & stronger......The best is yet to come. [This] embarrassing spectacle has attracted international scrutiny and raised more questions about the future of the Republican party, as well as the US Congress. With a narrow majority in the House and an unruly conference to lead, any Republican speaker will face significant hurdles in trying to advance legislation. When it comes to must-pass bills like a government funding package or a debt ceiling hike, the Republican dysfunction displayed during the speakership election could threaten the health and legitimacy of the US government and economy. “If Republicans are unable to muster the votes for a speaker, it will make very clear from the outset they cannot be counted on to fulfill the body’s basic responsibilities,” Brendan Buck, a former senior adviser to House Republican leaders, wrote in a New York Times op-ed [last] week. “No matter who emerges as the top House Republican, the prolonged spectacle would leave the Republican majority hopelessly damaged from the start, along with the institution of the House itself.” Some of McCarthy’s allies have blamed their disappointing performance in November on the extremism displayed by Trump and his acolytes. The speakership standoff will only intensify voters’ concerns about the trajectory of the Republican party, they warn. “If this remains the face of the GOP in 2024, we will get pummeled in the presidential and congressional elections,” Congressman Don Bacon, a Republican of Nebraska and a McCarthy supporter [said]. “We would have won more seats in 2022, but too many feared the extremes in the GOP even before this.” —Excerpted from The Guardian Australia, 7 January.

Come come, Geoff. The GOP is no longer about advancing legislation, it's about sdvancing our great Dear Leader.

RIGGED! WITCH HUNT! SO UNFAIR !!!!

Quote:

McCarthy wins - Gaetz & Boebert lose

Not sure anyone has won here.

McCarthy is the speaker but there are 200 wonky rethuglicans all squeezing his balls and he cannot make a decision that even one of them disagree with.

I doubt that they would be able to agree on the brand of toilet paper to buy for the house toilets.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 11:19pm:

Quote: McCarthy wins - Gaetz & Boebert lose Not sure anyone has won here. McCarthy is the speaker but there are 200 wonky rethuglicans all squeezing his balls and he cannot make a decision that even one of them disagree with. I doubt that they would be able to agree on the brand of toilet paper to buy for the house toilets.

So?

If you dont FIGHT LIKE HELL, dear, you may not even have a country left anymore.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 7^th, 2023 at 11:19pm:

Quote: McCarthy wins - Gaetz & Boebert lose Not sure anyone has won here. McCarthy is the speaker but there are 200 wonky rethuglicans all squeezing his balls and he cannot make a decision that even one of them disagree with. I doubt that they would be able to agree on the brand of toilet paper to buy for the house toilets.

Indeed.

And those balls are stored at Mar-a-Lago.

Republican Kevin McCarthy battled 15 rounds to finally become US House Speaker. It might only be the start of the war ::) ::)

Who will Kev&Co (Trump) go after 1st.

;D ;D ;D

The rethuglicans have finally got the speakership but the trump fans weren't happy until they neutered him first

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 8^th, 2023 at 6:47am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 7th, 2023 at 11:19pm: Quote: McCarthy wins - Gaetz & Boebert lose Not sure anyone has won here. McCarthy is the speaker but there are 200 wonky rethuglicans all squeezing his balls and he cannot make a decision that even one of them disagree with. I doubt that they would be able to agree on the brand of toilet paper to buy for the house toilets. Indeed. And those balls are stored at Mar-a-Lago.

Maybe they are pumping seamen into her fallopian tubes

John Smith wrote on Jan 8^th, 2023 at 6:08pm:

;D ;D ;D The rethuglicans have finally got the speakership but the trump fans weren't happy until they neutered him first

They seem to not understand that they are trying their best to keep themselves out of power for the next decade.

A Republican lesson in democracy’s glorious mess
For a brief few days, congress became a debating chamber rather than the preening chamber Americans are used to

Far from being an embarrassment, the four days it took Republicans to work out who would be the next Speaker of the US House of Representatives provided a glimpse into how parliaments should function.

For a brief few days, congress became a debating chamber rather than the preening chamber Americans are used to, where speeches are crafted for the nightly news and social media rather than in any genuine attempt to convince the other side. The congress no longer was a costly rubber stamp for the secret deliberations of political parties after 20 renegade Republicans demanded substantive changes to congressional rules before they would vote for Kevin McCarthy – and succeeded.

But the mainstream media was incandescent with condemnation, slamming the “chaos”, the “humiliation”, the “extremism”, where in fact there was none. Perhaps many prefer the governance model of the Chinese Communist Party or the old ruling Soviet party where there was no public infighting – and if there was, protagonists soon would be in prison.

For a fleeting moment half the congress became a chamber of individuals, as it was meant to be, rather than a taxpayer-funded battleground stage for two warring political factions.

Far from celebrating party discipline, George Washington, James Madison and other pioneers of the American experiment had warned against the dangers of all-powerful factions, which would ride roughshod over the spirit and letter of the US constitution. In 1787 in The Federalist Papers, Madison, later the fourth US president, railed against the “dangerous vice” of “overbearing majorities” that would kneecap members’ freedom to vote how they saw fit.

...
In any case, the 55 pages of rules approved by the new Republican majority are a dramatic improvement on the old ones, which had centralised power in the Speaker’s office. Under the new system members of congress will have at least 72 hours to consider new bills before being required to vote on them, and each bill will need to be related to a single subject.

This hardly seems revolutionary until one considers the norm under former Democrat speaker Nancy Pelosi. The last budget bill pushed through congress ran to 4155 pages and $US1.7 trillion ($2.4 trillion) and teemed with boondoggles and waste. Not a single member had a clue what they were voting for, just as the governing party leadership intended.
...
Further, individual members will be able to call for a spill vote to depose the Speaker, the way it had been from the 18th century until 2019, when Pelosi had changed the rules to make it much harder. A weakened Speaker or an empowerment of members and the citizens who voted for them?

Adam Creighton


But the grimacing, unmoored, grotesque Slovenian content farmers, pakis, sages, ducks and fathead here saw none of that. They only saw Trump.

Go back to Denmark, Soren, it is where you'd be happiest, amongst all your fellow Danes, where you can hate as much as you like...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Jan 12^th, 2023 at 6:46am:

A Republican lesson in democracy’s glorious mess For a brief few days, congress became a debating chamber rather than the preening chamber Americans are used to Far from being an embarrassment, the four days it took Republicans to work out who would be the next Speaker of the US House of Representatives provided a glimpse into how parliaments should function. For a brief few days, congress became a debating chamber rather than the preening chamber Americans are used to, where speeches are crafted for the nightly news and social media rather than in any genuine attempt to convince the other side. The congress no longer was a costly rubber stamp for the secret deliberations of political parties after 20 renegade Republicans demanded substantive changes to congressional rules before they would vote for Kevin McCarthy – and succeeded. But the mainstream media was incandescent with condemnation, slamming the “chaos”, the “humiliation”, the “extremism”, where in fact there was none. Perhaps many prefer the governance model of the Chinese Communist Party or the old ruling Soviet party where there was no public infighting – and if there was, protagonists soon would be in prison. For a fleeting moment half the congress became a chamber of individuals, as it was meant to be, rather than a taxpayer-funded battleground stage for two warring political factions. Far from celebrating party discipline, George Washington, James Madison and other pioneers of the American experiment had warned against the dangers of all-powerful factions, which would ride roughshod over the spirit and letter of the US constitution. In 1787 in The Federalist Papers, Madison, later the fourth US president, railed against the “dangerous vice” of “overbearing majorities” that would kneecap members’ freedom to vote how they saw fit. ... In any case, the 55 pages of rules approved by the new Republican majority are a dramatic improvement on the old ones, which had centralised power in the Speaker’s office. Under the new system members of congress will have at least 72 hours to consider new bills before being required to vote on them, and each bill will need to be related to a single subject. This hardly seems revolutionary until one considers the norm under former Democrat speaker Nancy Pelosi. The last budget bill pushed through congress ran to 4155 pages and $US1.7 trillion ($2.4 trillion) and teemed with boondoggles and waste. Not a single member had a clue what they were voting for, just as the governing party leadership intended. ... Further, individual members will be able to call for a spill vote to depose the Speaker, the way it had been from the 18th century until 2019, when Pelosi had changed the rules to make it much harder. A weakened Speaker or an empowerment of members and the citizens who voted for them? Adam Creighton But the grimacing, unmoored, grotesque Slovenian content farmers, pakis, sages, ducks and fathead here saw none of that. They only saw Trump.

Yes, old boy, I see what you mean. To a party that would nominate an unelected, one-term ex-prez as House speaker, that would seem like democracy.

To a party branch-stacked with allegiance, not to any particular platform or values, but to a man who's most recent "big announcement" was the release of online trading cards of himself as an entrepreneur, cowboy, spaceman and laser-eyed superhero, yes. It would seem like democracy.

To a party that espouses causes such as QAnon, the Big Steal, White Nationalism and Great Replacement Theory, just so. It would seem like democracy. But do you know?

To the rest of us, it just shows why the party once known as the GOP is destined to remain the obstructionist, oppositional and ultimately ungovernable leadership cult they've become. Democracy's glorious mess?

Good luck with that, Kevin. Putin and Xi will be having a jolly old chuckle.

We will Make America Great Again, no?

Karnal wrote on Jan 12^th, 2023 at 2:07pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 12th, 2023 at 6:46am: A Republican lesson in democracy’s glorious mess For a brief few days, congress became a debating chamber rather than the preening chamber Americans are used to Far from being an embarrassment, the four days it took Republicans to work out who would be the next Speaker of the US House of Representatives provided a glimpse into how parliaments should function. For a brief few days, congress became a debating chamber rather than the preening chamber Americans are used to, where speeches are crafted for the nightly news and social media rather than in any genuine attempt to convince the other side. The congress no longer was a costly rubber stamp for the secret deliberations of political parties after 20 renegade Republicans demanded substantive changes to congressional rules before they would vote for Kevin McCarthy – and succeeded. But the mainstream media was incandescent with condemnation, slamming the “chaos”, the “humiliation”, the “extremism”, where in fact there was none. Perhaps many prefer the governance model of the Chinese Communist Party or the old ruling Soviet party where there was no public infighting – and if there was, protagonists soon would be in prison. For a fleeting moment half the congress became a chamber of individuals, as it was meant to be, rather than a taxpayer-funded battleground stage for two warring political factions. Far from celebrating party discipline, George Washington, James Madison and other pioneers of the American experiment had warned against the dangers of all-powerful factions, which would ride roughshod over the spirit and letter of the US constitution. In 1787 in The Federalist Papers, Madison, later the fourth US president, railed against the “dangerous vice” of “overbearing majorities” that would kneecap members’ freedom to vote how they saw fit. ... In any case, the 55 pages of rules approved by the new Republican majority are a dramatic improvement on the old ones, which had centralised power in the Speaker’s office. Under the new system members of congress will have at least 72 hours to consider new bills before being required to vote on them, and each bill will need to be related to a single subject. This hardly seems revolutionary until one considers the norm under former Democrat speaker Nancy Pelosi. The last budget bill pushed through congress ran to 4155 pages and $US1.7 trillion ($2.4 trillion) and teemed with boondoggles and waste. Not a single member had a clue what they were voting for, just as the governing party leadership intended. ... Further, individual members will be able to call for a spill vote to depose the Speaker, the way it had been from the 18th century until 2019, when Pelosi had changed the rules to make it much harder. A weakened Speaker or an empowerment of members and the citizens who voted for them? Adam Creighton But the grimacing, unmoored, grotesque Slovenian content farmers, pakis, sages, ducks and fathead here saw none of that. They only saw Trump. Yes, old boy, I see what you mean. To a party that would nominate an unelected, one-term ex-prez as House speaker, that would seem like democracy. To a party branch-stacked with allegiance, not to any particular platform or values, but to a man who's most recent "big announcement" was the release of online trading cards of himself as an entrepreneur, cowboy, spaceman and laser-eyed superhero, yes. It would seem like democracy. To a party that espouses causes such as QAnon, the Big Steal, White Nationalism and Great Replacement Theory, just so. It would seem like democracy. But do you know? To the rest of us, it just shows why the party once known as the GOP is destined to remain the obstructionist, oppositional and ultimately ungovernable leadership cult they've become. Democracy's glorious mess? Good luck with that, Kevin. Putin and Xi will be having a jolly old chuckle. We will Make America Great Again, no?

Focus, pb.

The loathing for Donald Trump across the political spectrum stemmed mainly from his personal popularity, a huge threat to the established political machinery in Washington. In any case, the 55 pages of rules approved by the new Republican majority are a dramatic improvement on the old ones, which had centralised power in the Speaker’s office. Under the new system members of congress will have at least 72 hours to consider new bills before being required to vote on them, and each bill will need to be related to a single subject.

This hardly seems revolutionary until one considers the norm under former Democrat speaker Nancy Pelosi. The last budget bill pushed through congress ran to 4155 pages and $US1.7 trillion ($2.4 trillion) and teemed with boondoggles and waste. Not a single member had a clue what they were voting for, just as the governing party leadership intended.

“To have read the entire bill, you would’ve needed to read 4+ pages per minute, without a single break, for 16 hours straight,” Republican congressman Dan Bishop tweeted at the time.

The law included $US525m to fix structural racism; $US200m for a gender equity fund, $US7.5m to understand the domestic radicalisation agenda, $US3m for bee-friendly highways, $US108m for environmental justice, $US8.6m for Pentagon gender adviser programs, and $US3.6m for a Michelle Obama Walking Trail in Georgia, to name just a handful of the hundreds of earmarks and political bribes that made Australia’s budget process appear a model of probity and restraint.

Further, individual members will be able to call for a spill vote to depose the Speaker, the way it had been from the 18th century until 2019, when Pelosi had changed the rules to make it much harder. A weakened Speaker or an empowerment of members and the citizens who voted for them?

Republicans also revived the Holman rule, in place for much of the time between 1876 to 1983, whereby the house could sack or alter the salary of specific bureaucrats, no doubt a concern for the small army of diversity and inclusion officers scattered throughout the vast US bureaucracy.

Last week the GOP revealed itself to be a more dynamic, flexible political party than the Democrats, for whom iron-clad uniformity remained the order of the day. Two hundred and twelve Democrat votes were furnished in every one of the 15 votes for Speaker, for the same candidate, day after day. Even the so-called Squad of far-left Democrats, including Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who talks the big talk outside the chamber, voted in lock-step with the party leadership for centrist Hakeem Jeffries, the party’s new house leader.

Rule changes don’t guarantee legislative success for Republicans, especially given the Senate remains Democrat-controlled. But they will slash the volume of new legislation, which can only be a good thing in a nation drowning in rules and regulations. As Roman historian Tacitus said, the more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state.
Ibid.

Frank wrote on Jan 12^th, 2023 at 9:02pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 12th, 2023 at 2:07pm: Frank wrote on Jan 12th, 2023 at 6:46am: A Republican lesson in democracy’s glorious mess For a brief few days, congress became a debating chamber rather than the preening chamber Americans are used to Far from being an embarrassment, the four days it took Republicans to work out who would be the next Speaker of the US House of Representatives provided a glimpse into how parliaments should function. For a brief few days, congress became a debating chamber rather than the preening chamber Americans are used to, where speeches are crafted for the nightly news and social media rather than in any genuine attempt to convince the other side. The congress no longer was a costly rubber stamp for the secret deliberations of political parties after 20 renegade Republicans demanded substantive changes to congressional rules before they would vote for Kevin McCarthy – and succeeded. But the mainstream media was incandescent with condemnation, slamming the “chaos”, the “humiliation”, the “extremism”, where in fact there was none. Perhaps many prefer the governance model of the Chinese Communist Party or the old ruling Soviet party where there was no public infighting – and if there was, protagonists soon would be in prison. For a fleeting moment half the congress became a chamber of individuals, as it was meant to be, rather than a taxpayer-funded battleground stage for two warring political factions. Far from celebrating party discipline, George Washington, James Madison and other pioneers of the American experiment had warned against the dangers of all-powerful factions, which would ride roughshod over the spirit and letter of the US constitution. In 1787 in The Federalist Papers, Madison, later the fourth US president, railed against the “dangerous vice” of “overbearing majorities” that would kneecap members’ freedom to vote how they saw fit. ... In any case, the 55 pages of rules approved by the new Republican majority are a dramatic improvement on the old ones, which had centralised power in the Speaker’s office. Under the new system members of congress will have at least 72 hours to consider new bills before being required to vote on them, and each bill will need to be related to a single subject. This hardly seems revolutionary until one considers the norm under former Democrat speaker Nancy Pelosi. The last budget bill pushed through congress ran to 4155 pages and $US1.7 trillion ($2.4 trillion) and teemed with boondoggles and waste. Not a single member had a clue what they were voting for, just as the governing party leadership intended. ... Further, individual members will be able to call for a spill vote to depose the Speaker, the way it had been from the 18th century until 2019, when Pelosi had changed the rules to make it much harder. A weakened Speaker or an empowerment of members and the citizens who voted for them? Adam Creighton But the grimacing, unmoored, grotesque Slovenian content farmers, pakis, sages, ducks and fathead here saw none of that. They only saw Trump. Yes, old boy, I see what you mean. To a party that would nominate an unelected, one-term ex-prez as House speaker, that would seem like democracy. To a party branch-stacked with allegiance, not to any particular platform or values, but to a man who's most recent "big announcement" was the release of online trading cards of himself as an entrepreneur, cowboy, spaceman and laser-eyed superhero, yes. It would seem like democracy. To a party that espouses causes such as QAnon, the Big Steal, White Nationalism and Great Replacement Theory, just so. It would seem like democracy. But do you know? To the rest of us, it just shows why the party once known as the GOP is destined to remain the obstructionist, oppositional and ultimately ungovernable leadership cult they've become. Democracy's glorious mess? Good luck with that, Kevin. Putin and Xi will be having a jolly old chuckle. We will Make America Great Again, no? Focus, pb. The loathing for Donald Trump across the political spectrum stemmed mainly from his personal popularity, a huge threat to the established political machinery in Washington. In any case, the 55 pages of rules approved by the new Republican majority are a dramatic improvement on the old ones, which had centralised power in the Speaker’s office. Under the new system members of congress will have at least 72 hours to consider new bills before being required to vote on them, and each bill will need to be related to a single subject. This hardly seems revolutionary until one considers the norm under former Democrat speaker Nancy Pelosi. The last budget bill pushed through congress ran to 4155 pages and $US1.7 trillion ($2.4 trillion) and teemed with boondoggles and waste. Not a single member had a clue what they were voting for, just as the governing party leadership intended.

I see. The previous federal budget was $6.6 trillion. Would you care to convert that to krone?

Focus, DB, ja?

Cheers.

Frank wrote on Jan 12^th, 2023 at 9:02pm:

The loathing for Donald Trump across the political spectrum stemmed mainly from his personal popularity, ...

Popularity?   ;D

The most unpopular president in US history.

Lost the popular vote - twice!

Received one vote for the job of House Speaker.  One.

But enough about the past, what about now?

Trump’s Approval Rating Lowest Since 2015 As Popularity With GOP Plunges, Poll Finds

"Former President Donald Trump is now the least popular with voters that he’s been since his first fateful ride down the escalator in the early days of his first presidential campaign, a new Quinnipiac University poll finds, as Republican and independent voters have grown increasingly discontented with the ex-president as he launches a new presidential run and comes under legal scrutiny."

Mr Popularity   ;D

Frank wrote on Jan 12^th, 2023 at 9:02pm:

The loathing for Donald Trump across the political spectrum stemmed mainly from his personal popularity, ...

Wrong.

It stemmed mainly from the fact that he was never a fit person for the office of President.

Even President of the Dubbo Donkey owners club.

Focus, PB.

Trump Is Officially the Least Popular President Ever Polled


Just days after becoming the first president to be impeached twice, Trump on Monday became the least popular president Gallup has ever polled. Trump finished his term with an approval rating of 34 percent, Gallup announced, bringing his four-year polling average down to 41 percent, four points lower than any of his predecessors dating back to 1938. He’s also the only president to fail to register an approval rating of at least 50 percent at any point in his tenure.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-final-gallup-poll-least-popular-president-ever-1116196/

Karnal wrote on Jan 12^th, 2023 at 9:23pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 12th, 2023 at 9:02pm: This hardly seems revolutionary until one considers the norm under former Democrat speaker Nancy Pelosi. The last budget bill pushed through congress ran to 4155 pages and $US1.7 trillion ($2.4 trillion) and teemed with boondoggles and waste. Not a single member had a clue what they were voting for, just as the governing party leadership intended. I see. The previous federal budget was $6.6 trillion. Would you care to convert that to krone? Focus, DB, ja? Cheers.

Focus those rheumatic eyes and rancour-rotted mind, wee pb:

A single budget bill of 4155 pages unread and ununderstood by the entire voting body of Congress, pb, not the entire budget.


Are you actually in favour of such a practice just because it was Pelosi's wheeze?




Look over there, pb - TRUMP!
Hahahahahaha! Made you shite your pants!!