The New York Times is anxious for us to believe that the classified documents scandals attached to Presidents Trump and Biden are Not The Same, Hey, Chuck: are we up to "six ways from Sunday" on the classified documents front yet?

Lefty Ted Rall, who wrote a book about Snowden, is even less impressed with the need for classification. Too many people are living in cartoon world, he asserts, and have been "watching too many Bourne movies:"

In the fevered imagination of political-thriller scriptwriters, we would be totally screwed if the wrong Super Duper Important Document were to fall into the clutches of an Evil Enemy of America.

Anyway, he says, we have more important things to worry about. He'd like both political parties to

focus on real problems that affect real Americans every single day: climate change, health care for profit, high college tuition, the prison industrial complex, brutal and racist police, unemployment, homelessness, unaffordable housing.

You know, I really appreciate an opinion-maker doing an Iselin and making things "real simple" for me. Because a statement like that makes it really clear that cartoon-world isn't just for the war party. Let's Fisk Rall's list of issues.

Climate Change. Don't you lefties understand that climate change is just as much of a fake war as you believed the Cold War to be, back in the day? Al Gore bellowing away at Klausi's WEF shindig ought to remind you about Sen. McCarthy bellowing about communists in the State Department. But go ahead. You climatistas will end up crashing the economy and get thrown out of power for a generation.

Health Care for Profit. Honey, if you want affordable health care then get the government out of health care. It's the science: you get "regulatory capture" by the regulated whenever the government regulates an industry. Back in the day, of course, Americans had "lodge doctors" at their Masonic or Elks lodge. Real cheap doctors right out of med school. Ever heard of that, cupcake?

High College Tuition. Well, yeah! You hand out handy-dandy college loans to kids wet behind the ears and that literally know nothing and you are basically shoveling money at colleges. So of course, college tuition is sky high. You did it, lefties.

Prison Industrial Complex/Brutal and Racist Police. You did this, liberals. You made it possible with your welfare policies for single women to bear and raise children without a father. I call it: Slavery Part Deux. Back in the day, in Britland in the Year 1000, a serf could go to his lord and ask to become a slave: "head for food" they called it. Just like today, only today you go to your local welfare bureaucrat instead of your local lord. But I understand, dear liberal friends. The utter mess on the fatherless black thug front cannot -- just cannot -- be the fault of educated liberals. No, some white racist-sexist-homophobic bigot must have done it.

Unemployment/Homelessness. Sen. Schumer (D-NY) would say that the regulatory welfare state has six ways from Sunday to make it really expensive to hire unskilled labor and to prevent the existence of cheap, affordable housing for people down on their luck. I go for a walk most mornings around my swank liberal neighborhood, and the guys working on housing construction are all Hispanic. No poor whites; no blacks. What's that all about, sports fans?

Unaffordable Housing. Oh please. At this late date you are branding yourself as a delta-minus moron if you don't understand why housing is unaffordable, from 85 years of Fannie and Freddie dishing out low-down fixed-rate mortgages, to liberal domination of zoning and building standards, to endless inflation. And the post 2008 zero-interest-rate policy has pumped trillions into stocks and real-estate.

If it weren't for the fact that La La Land is a perfectly respectable movie, I would make a comment here about the cloud-cuckoo land inhabited by our liberal friends.

Back in Realityville, I am reading Francis Fukuyama's The Origins of Political Order. He starts out with a disquisition on Big Man village politics in Papua New Guinea. The Big Man is the one who has

earned the community's trust, usually on the basis of his ability to distribute pigs, shell money, and other resources to members of the tribe.

You can already imagine the statement by his grandson, noted author Francis Fukuyama III, writing in the early 22nd century.

"The 21st century elected politician got elected on the basis of his promises to distribute government benefits and pensions to the voters, and carve-outs to the special interests."

Nothing has changed.

Now, some experts believe that the political distribution of goods and services is a net drag on the economy and the prosperity of ordinary people. Such experts are not, of course, often in the pay of the ruling class. The very idea!

Would anyone care to inform Mort who our Liberals are?

Cheers.

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 25^th, 2023 at 10:35pm:

Would anyone care to inform Mort who our Liberals are? Cheers.

Our liberals are communists in denial, your liberals expect government to provide for them in life! They are in no way similar to our conservatives, they still want government controlling their neighbors.

Liberals are traditionally ultra-capitalists in the UK, Mort.  Since their arise in the 19th century, the term has become associated with moderate reform and well, liberal social views.  Downunder, the Liberals are the conservative political party.  They were formed after the collapse of the previous conservative party - the United Australia Party in 1941.  Their leader was Robert Menzies, "Ming the Merciless" in left-wing lore because he used to eliminate any potential successors in his own party.  He was the longest serving Australian Prime Minister, serving from 1949 till he retired in 1964.  Like all conservatives they occasionally appeal to the voters and win office only to later be booted out by the same voters.  Most Australians dislike them.   ::) ::)

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 1:05am:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 25th, 2023 at 10:35pm: Would anyone care to inform Mort who our Liberals are? Cheers. Our liberals are communists in denial, your liberals expect government to provide for them in life! They are in no way similar to our conservatives, they still want government controlling their neighbors.

Our Liberals are elected by the people, Mort. They do those things because voters want them.

Universal health care, education, social security, aged and disability care - and no guns. They might come around to renewable energy too. Why?

Because we have a country where people vote. Our Liberals are forced to do what they want.

Your Republicans play it differently. They rig and gerrymander and deny the vote to as many people as possible, and trick them when elections come round.

Because of this, you have a country where you can't possibly have an effective government. In your country, Republican governors bus refugees and homeless people to Democrat states not to solve a refugee crisis or homelessness, but to make a political point.

Your political system has effectively broken down. If you had more people voting, you'd get better leaders and governments you could trust - like us.

You'd have government that could come together to solve problems - like pandemics. The US saw more covid deaths than any country in the world. We had one of the lowest.

Our Liberals are largely responsible for that, dear. You?

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 11:53am:

Liberals are traditionally ultra-capitalists in the UK, Mort.  Since their arise in the 19th century, the term has become associated with moderate reform and well, liberal social views.  Downunder, the Liberals are the conservative political party.  They were formed after the collapse of the previous conservative party - the United Australia Party in 1941.  Their leader was Robert Menzies, "Ming the Merciless" in left-wing lore because he used to eliminate any potential successors in his own party.  He was the longest serving Australian Prime Minister, serving from 1949 till he retired in 1964.  Like all conservatives they occasionally appeal to the voters and win office only to later be booted out by the same voters.  Most Australians dislike them.   ::) ::)

They just like them to be in government and look after their economic and social welbeing twice as often as they have trusted Labor :

Since 1901 (federation) there have been 44 House of Representatives elections and 42 Senate elections. The average length of time between House of Representatives elections has been 2 years and 7 months.
Of the House of Representatives elections, non-Labor parties or coalitions have won 30 and the Australian Labor Party (ALP) has won 14.

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/rp1415/FedElect

Frank wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 5:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 26th, 2023 at 11:53am: Liberals are traditionally ultra-capitalists in the UK, Mort.  Since their arise in the 19th century, the term has become associated with moderate reform and well, liberal social views.  Downunder, the Liberals are the conservative political party.  They were formed after the collapse of the previous conservative party - the United Australia Party in 1941.  Their leader was Robert Menzies, "Ming the Merciless" in left-wing lore because he used to eliminate any potential successors in his own party.  He was the longest serving Australian Prime Minister, serving from 1949 till he retired in 1964.  Like all conservatives they occasionally appeal to the voters and win office only to later be booted out by the same voters.  Most Australians dislike them.   ::) ::) They just like them to be in government and look after their econimic and social welbeing twice as often as they have trusted Labor : Since 1901 (federation) there have been 44 House of Representatives elections and 42 Senate elections. The average length of time between House of Representatives elections has been 2 years and 7 months. Of the House of Representatives elections, non-Labor parties or coalitions have won 30 and the Australian Labor Party (ALP) has won 14. https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/rp1415/FedElect

However, those 14 have been crucial elections and have saved Australia when Australia had been gotten into some bad situations by the idiot Tories.  The ALP has also proved itself the better managers of society and the economy than the Tories could hope to be.  The Tories, overall have shown themselves to be competent but only just.  If we had followed their advice we would have suffered three recessions we didn't need to undergo, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 1:30pm:

...Because we have a country where people vote.

Yes. 

Voter turnout for Federal elections in the US = 54.3% to 66.9% (2000-2020)

Voter turnout for Federal elections in Australia = 89.8% to 94.9% (2001-2022)

The poor US turnout number—59.2%—in 2016 is precisely why the
failed former president slipped under peoples' guard in order to win
that year.  (Well, that and the antiquated Electoral College of course.)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 8:01pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 26th, 2023 at 5:26pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 26th, 2023 at 11:53am: Liberals are traditionally ultra-capitalists in the UK, Mort.  Since their arise in the 19th century, the term has become associated with moderate reform and well, liberal social views.  Downunder, the Liberals are the conservative political party.  They were formed after the collapse of the previous conservative party - the United Australia Party in 1941.  Their leader was Robert Menzies, "Ming the Merciless" in left-wing lore because he used to eliminate any potential successors in his own party.  He was the longest serving Australian Prime Minister, serving from 1949 till he retired in 1964.  Like all conservatives they occasionally appeal to the voters and win office only to later be booted out by the same voters.  Most Australians dislike them.   ::) ::) They just like them to be in government and look after their econimic and social welbeing twice as often as they have trusted Labor : Since 1901 (federation) there have been 44 House of Representatives elections and 42 Senate elections. The average length of time between House of Representatives elections has been 2 years and 7 months. Of the House of Representatives elections, non-Labor parties or coalitions have won 30 and the Australian Labor Party (ALP) has won 14. https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/rp1415/FedElect However, those 14 have been crucial elections and have saved Australia when Australia had been gotten into some bad situations by the idiot Tories.  The ALP has also proved itself the better managers of society and the economy than the Tories could hope to be.  The Tories, overall have shown themselves to be competent but only just.  If we had followed their advice we would have suffered three recessions we didn't need to undergo, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Non-Labor parties or coalitions have won 30 elections and the Australian Labor Party (ALP) has won 14.

In 122 years.

AusGeoff wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 8:24pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 26th, 2023 at 1:30pm: ...Because we have a country where people vote. Yes.  Voter turnout for Federal elections in the US = 54.3% to 66.9% (2000-2020) Voter turnout for Federal elections in Australia = 89.8% to 94.9% (2001-2022) The poor US turnout number—59.2%—in 2016 is precisely why the failed former president slipped under peoples' guard in order to win that year.  (Well, that and the antiquated Electoral College of course.)

Right on. Here's the big fella's political manifesto, outlined during his recent eulogy for a dear friend Diamond.


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The Republicans have to get tougher, the top people have to get tougher and you have to really swamp them (the Democrats). Once we're there, we're going to straighten it all out and get it back to where it was.

https://www.unilad.com/news/donald-trump-eulogy-diamond-silk-426896-20230124

We will make America great again, no?

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 11:53am:

...Their leader was Robert Menzies, "Ming the Merciless" in left-wing lore because he used to eliminate any potential successors in his own party.  He was the longest serving Australian Prime Minister, serving from 1949 till he retired in 1964.

I know it's common for kids that weren't even alive during Menzies'
PM-ship (until 1966 BTW Brian) to take the piss out of him and his
policies, but in 1962 inflation was a historic low of -1.3% in June that
year.  And the unemployment rate through most of his 16 years as
PM was less than 2%. 

Labor PMs since then can only dream of those figures.  Our inflation rate
under Labor for Q4 of 2022 came in at 7.8%, the highest in 33 years.

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 9:11pm:

...Right on. Here's the big fella's political manifesto, outlined during his recent eulogy for a dear friend Diamond.

Unbelievable!   >:(     That the failed former president can be so unaware, so
conceited, so painfully insensitive and so bloody stupid at least guarantees
that this arrogant, ignorant buffoon will never again be a part of American
politics.

I'm sure Hardaway's family must've been both mortified and disgusted by
Trump's crass eulogy—which he segued into his own political platform.

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 1:30pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 26th, 2023 at 1:05am: Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 25th, 2023 at 10:35pm: Would anyone care to inform Mort who our Liberals are? Cheers. Our liberals are communists in denial, your liberals expect government to provide for them in life! They are in no way similar to our conservatives, they still want government controlling their neighbors. Our Liberals are elected by the people, Mort. They do those things because voters want them. Universal health care, education, social security, aged and disability care - and no guns. They might come around to renewable energy too. Why? Because we have a country where people vote. Our Liberals are forced to do what they want. Your Republicans play it differently. They rig and gerrymander and deny the vote to as many people as possible, and trick them when elections come round. Because of this, you have a country where you can't possibly have an effective government. In your country, Republican governors bus refugees and homeless people to Democrat states not to solve a refugee crisis or homelessness, but to make a political point. Your political system has effectively broken down. If you had more people voting, you'd get better leaders and governments you could trust - like us. You'd have government that could come together to solve problems - like pandemics. The US saw more covid deaths than any country in the world. We had one of the lowest. Our Liberals are largely responsible for that, dear. You?

All you are really saying is huge government good, personal freedoms bad. Your government like ours is very generous with other people's money. The rich and powerful select who you get to vote for, if you don't do it at the local level it hardly matters who you vote for nationally!

I spoke with a woman in Halifax last October and her opinion about universal health care was more honest than yours. She said people can go to the Hospital as often as they want, even more than once in a single day. Her complaint was that people don't really get any quality of care. Tests and treatments take a really long time to get. Also the cost is really hidden in the taxes they pay on just about everything so it isn't truly free, it just comes out of a different pocket. Our Social Security System was so overfunded the the early days it could support those who contributed during their working lives without current contributions. Until the democrats were able to transfer the balance into the general fund! Now this weeks contributions go to this weeks retiree while the government cries the fund is running out of money.

You really think the people in your government are required to do the peoples business, how naive of you. The Republican system is one legal vote for one legal voter, I know somehow that seems discriminatory to many. We feel our votes are diluted when others vote multiple time or the dead and non-existent also vote. One thing our system should do is have one age where people are considered full adults and minors until that day. Until a person is 21 they can't vote, enter into contracts or join the military.

Our Governor is bussing illegals to the sanctuary cities because they said they would welcome them. It is criminal for small communities to wake up one morning to find hundreds if not thousands of people suddenly demanding to be fed and housed. Our cities don't generally budget for a huge invasion of dependent people!

Our problem isn't because we don't have enough people voting it is that we have so many uninformed people voting! You actually trust your government? A mistake make by subservient people across history. In the long run that won't end well!

There is a saying that statistics don't lie but you can lie with statistics. Anyone who tested positive for the covid virus was included in those numbers. Shot to death, covid. Motorcycle accident, covid. Old age and natural causes, covid.

(green energy isn't carbon neutral, in fact it makes more carbon in the life of wind and solar than if prevents. Engineering 101!)

So, inconclusion your liberals aren't that much different than ours, you just don't have anyone representing the individual!

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 1:05am:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 25th, 2023 at 10:35pm: Would anyone care to inform Mort who our Liberals are? Cheers. Our liberals are communists in denial, your liberals expect government to provide for them in life! They are in no way similar to our conservatives, they still want government controlling their neighbors.

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Our liberals are communists in denial

There likely hasn't been a genuine communist in US politics in at least a century if ever.

The current Democrats are right wing (centre Right) corporate Market Democrats. 

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the classified documents scandals attached to Presidents Trump and Biden are Not The Same

Correct - not even close.

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Climate Change. Don't you lefties understand that climate change is just as much of a fake

Garbage.

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Health Care for Profit. Honey, if you want affordable health care then get the government out of health care.

The US with the most privatised system is by far the most expensive in the world rather questions this position. The US is the only first world country with third world health care.

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High College Tuition. Well, yeah! You hand out handy-dandy college loans to kids wet behind the ears and that literally know nothing and you are basically shoveling money at colleges.

The right wing position is to educate rich stupid kids in preference to smart poor kids. It's a bit like flushing the country down the toilet.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 10:48pm:

Quote: Health Care for Profit. Honey, if you want affordable health care then get the government out of health care. The US with the most privatised system is by far the most expensive in the world rather questions this position. The US is the only first world country with third world health care.

Actually our medical care is the best in the World, that is why you have to pay for it. World Leaders come here when no one else can help them!

Dnarever wrote on Jan 26^th, 2023 at 10:46pm:

Quote: Climate Change. Don't you lefties understand that climate change is just as much of a fake Garbage.

Climate Change is a Religion, not a Science!

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 2:05am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 26th, 2023 at 10:46pm: Quote: Climate Change. Don't you lefties understand that climate change is just as much of a fake Garbage. Climate Change is a Religion, not a Science!

Actually, I'd say climate-change-denial is a religion.  All the science backs the climate-change side of the argument, it is the deniers who are acting like religious believers who refuse to look at the facts.   ::) ::)

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All you are really saying is huge government good, personal freedoms bad. Your government like ours is very generous with other people's money. The rich and powerful select who you get to vote for, if you don't do it at the local level it hardly matters who you vote for nationally!

Not anymore, Mort. Clive Palmer spend a hundred mil and got one seat in the senate.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/22/clive-palmers-massive-advertising-spend-fails-to-translate-into-electoral-success

Monique Ryan, independent, spent bugger all. She deposed the treasurer and took the most blue ribbon (conservative) seat in the country.

She was joined by six other independents who did exactly the same thing. Allegra Spender took former PM Malcolm Turnbull's seat. Zali Steggall kept former PM Tony Abbott's seat. And on and on around the country, independents took on the well-funded, deeply-entrenched Establishment players, fuelled on the smell of an oily rag.

They took on the leftards too. Dai Le took on former NSW premier and Labor star, Kristina Keneally. No help from the fake news either - Rupert hates anyone he can't control. The independents won in spite of the News Ltd campaign against them.

No, Mort, the independents showed that we the people CAN use democracy to further our own interests, despite what the rich and powerful pay for. Those independents have shaken up the two-party system and are now helping us shape a new way of doing business in Australia. We don't need bloated old billionaires to do it for us, either.

You?

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 2:03am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 26th, 2023 at 10:48pm: Quote: Health Care for Profit. Honey, if you want affordable health care then get the government out of health care. The US with the most privatised system is by far the most expensive in the world rather questions this position. The US is the only first world country with third world health care. Actually our medical care is the best in the World, that is why you have to pay for it. World Leaders come here when no one else can help them!

Typical "I'm all right, jack" comment from a comfortable conservative.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/16/americans-medical-debt/#:~:text=In%20the%20past%20five%20years,to%20ever%20pay%20it%20off.

100 million people in America are saddled with medical debt
"The U.S. health system now produces debt on a mass scale, a new investigation shows. Patients across the country face gut-wrenching sacrifices".

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 2:03am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 26th, 2023 at 10:48pm: Quote: Health Care for Profit. Honey, if you want affordable health care then get the government out of health care. The US with the most privatised system is by far the most expensive in the world rather questions this position. The US is the only first world country with third world health care. Actually our medical care is the best in the World, that is why you have to pay for it. World Leaders come here when no one else can help them!

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that is why you have to pay for it.

Into bankruptcy or death.

It cannot be the best health care when it kills as many or more than it saves.

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 2:03am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 26th, 2023 at 10:48pm: Quote: Health Care for Profit. Honey, if you want affordable health care then get the government out of health care. The US with the most privatised system is by far the most expensive in the world rather questions this position. The US is the only first world country with third world health care. Actually our medical care is the best in the World, that is why you have to pay for it. World Leaders come here when no one else can help them!

Yes while your own people are dying unable to afford care.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 1:18pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27th, 2023 at 2:03am: Dnarever wrote on Jan 26th, 2023 at 10:48pm: Quote: Health Care for Profit. Honey, if you want affordable health care then get the government out of health care. The US with the most privatised system is by far the most expensive in the world rather questions this position. The US is the only first world country with third world health care. Actually our medical care is the best in the World, that is why you have to pay for it. World Leaders come here when no one else can help them! Yes while your own people are dying unable to afford care.

Oh, I don't know. They can afford to go to Cuba, can't they? What's wrong with them?

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 12:15pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27th, 2023 at 2:05am: Dnarever wrote on Jan 26th, 2023 at 10:46pm: Quote: Climate Change. Don't you lefties understand that climate change is just as much of a fake Garbage. Climate Change is a Religion, not a Science! Actually, I'd say climate-change-denial is a religion.  All the science backs the climate-change side of the argument, it is the deniers who are acting like religious believers who refuse to look at the facts.   ::) ::)

If you believe that get all your friends to join you and drive half as often and stop keeping your homes at a comfortable temperature. Then worship at the feet of people like Al Gore who owns five large homes and fly's around in his personal jet while lecturing the rest of you about your carbon footprint!

Save the planet by eating bugs and owning nothing while the Elite own it all. Kind of like a Monarchy isn't it.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 1:18pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27th, 2023 at 2:03am: Dnarever wrote on Jan 26th, 2023 at 10:48pm: Quote: Health Care for Profit. Honey, if you want affordable health care then get the government out of health care. The US with the most privatised system is by far the most expensive in the world rather questions this position. The US is the only first world country with third world health care. Actually our medical care is the best in the World, that is why you have to pay for it. World Leaders come here when no one else can help them! Yes while your own people are dying unable to afford care.

That isn't true, there are charity hospitals to care for those who can't afford it. Even the for profit Hospitals will not turn anyone away. If you can't pay you will be transported elsewhere when it is safe to be moved.


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100 million people in America are saddled with medical debt "The U.S. health system now produces debt on a mass scale, a new investigation shows. Patients across the country face gut-wrenching sacrifices".

Almost a third of Americans are saddled with massive medical debt? Nope! How can they be both refused medical care because they can't afford to pay and have massive medical debt from their medical care? Think people, don't just take the media's word for it.

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:05pm:

100 million people in America are saddled with medical debt: "The U.S. health system now produces debt on a mass scale, a new investigation shows. Patients across the country face gut-wrenching sacrifices". Almost a third of Americans are saddled with massive medical debt? Nope! How can they be both refused medical care because they can't afford to pay and have massive medical debt from their medical care? Think people, don't just take the media's word for it.

Er, low IQ or just deplorably blind?

1. 1/3 have medical debt.

2. The same 1/3 weren't refused medical care, they received it and are now in debt.

3. the people who delayed getting health care (and died)  because they couldn't afford to pay (or go into debt)  refers to a different cohort.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/07/americans-healthcare-medical-costs

The Americans dying because they can't afford medical care

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:25pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27th, 2023 at 11:05pm: 100 million people in America are saddled with medical debt: "The U.S. health system now produces debt on a mass scale, a new investigation shows. Patients across the country face gut-wrenching sacrifices". Almost a third of Americans are saddled with massive medical debt? Nope! How can they be both refused medical care because they can't afford to pay and have massive medical debt from their medical care? Think people, don't just take the media's word for it. Er, low IQ or just deplorably blind? 1. 1/3 have medical debt. 2. The same 1/3 weren't refused medical care, they received it and are now in debt. 3. the people who delayed getting health care (and died)  because they couldn't afford to pay (or go into debt)  refers to a different cohort. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/07/americans-healthcare-medical-costs The Americans dying because they can't afford medical care

That is two thirds of all Americans. A little critical thinking is in order bud! Where can I find this two thirds of Americans to prove you right?

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 11:05pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 27th, 2023 at 1:18pm: Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27th, 2023 at 2:03am: Dnarever wrote on Jan 26th, 2023 at 10:48pm: Quote: Health Care for Profit. Honey, if you want affordable health care then get the government out of health care. The US with the most privatised system is by far the most expensive in the world rather questions this position. The US is the only first world country with third world health care. Actually our medical care is the best in the World, that is why you have to pay for it. World Leaders come here when no one else can help them! Yes while your own people are dying unable to afford care. That isn't true, there are charity hospitals to care for those who can't afford it. Even the for profit Hospitals will not turn anyone away. If you can't pay you will be transported elsewhere when it is safe to be moved. [quote]100 million people in America are saddled with medical debt "The U.S. health system now produces debt on a mass scale, a new investigation shows. Patients across the country face gut-wrenching sacrifices".

Almost a third of Americans are saddled with massive medical debt? Nope! How can they be both refused medical care because they can't afford to pay and have massive medical debt from their medical care? Think people, don't just take the media's word for it.
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He's got you there, Dnarever. If hospital administrators want to move you to a bus shelter, they're perfectly entitled under the law, no,?

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 12:01am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 27th, 2023 at 11:25pm: Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27th, 2023 at 11:05pm: 100 million people in America are saddled with medical debt: "The U.S. health system now produces debt on a mass scale, a new investigation shows. Patients across the country face gut-wrenching sacrifices". Almost a third of Americans are saddled with massive medical debt? Nope! How can they be both refused medical care because they can't afford to pay and have massive medical debt from their medical care? Think people, don't just take the media's word for it. Er, low IQ or just deplorably blind? 1. 1/3 have medical debt. 2. The same 1/3 weren't refused medical care, they received it and are now in debt. 3. the people who delayed getting health care (and died)  because they couldn't afford to pay (or go into debt)  refers to a different cohort. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/07/americans-healthcare-medical-costs The Americans dying because they can't afford medical care That is two thirds of all Americans. A little critical thinking is in order bud! Where can I find this two thirds of Americans to prove you right?

Low IQ, I suppose....

1. 1/3 are in medical debt. 2/3 are not.

2.  Of that 2/3,  many  aren't able to afford to access health care because they can't go into debt (insufficient income to ever repay the debt).

(from the linked article)

"A 2009 study conducted by researchers at Harvard Medical School found 45,000 Americans die every year as a direct result of not having any health insurance coverage. In 2018, 27.8 million Americans went without any health insurance for the entire year."

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 10:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 27th, 2023 at 12:15pm: Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27th, 2023 at 2:05am: Dnarever wrote on Jan 26th, 2023 at 10:46pm: Quote: Climate Change. Don't you lefties understand that climate change is just as much of a fake Garbage. Climate Change is a Religion, not a Science! Actually, I'd say climate-change-denial is a religion.  All the science backs the climate-change side of the argument, it is the deniers who are acting like religious believers who refuse to look at the facts.   ::) ::) If you believe that get all your friends to join you and drive half as often and stop keeping your homes at a comfortable temperature. Then worship at the feet of people like Al Gore who owns five large homes and fly's around in his personal jet while lecturing the rest of you about your carbon footprint! Save the planet by eating bugs and owning nothing while the Elite own it all. Kind of like a Monarchy isn't it.

If you heated your home to a reasonable temperature you'd save America a bundle.  The operative word is "reasonable" - it means you need to wear a jumper inside and out...  Mort, you are to used to comfort.  Get over it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 27^th, 2023 at 12:15pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27th, 2023 at 2:05am: Dnarever wrote on Jan 26th, 2023 at 10:46pm: Quote: Climate Change. Don't you lefties understand that climate change is just as much of a fake Garbage. Climate Change is a Religion, not a Science! All the science backs the climate-change side of the argument, it is the deniers who are acting like religious believers who refuse to look at the facts.   ::) ::)

Not true at all, Bbwian.

Not all science backs the "anthropogenic CO2 causes climate change" theory.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 12:44pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27th, 2023 at 10:33pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 27th, 2023 at 12:15pm: Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27th, 2023 at 2:05am: Dnarever wrote on Jan 26th, 2023 at 10:46pm: Quote: Climate Change. Don't you lefties understand that climate change is just as much of a fake Garbage. Climate Change is a Religion, not a Science! Actually, I'd say climate-change-denial is a religion.  All the science backs the climate-change side of the argument, it is the deniers who are acting like religious believers who refuse to look at the facts.   ::) ::) If you believe that get all your friends to join you and drive half as often and stop keeping your homes at a comfortable temperature. Then worship at the feet of people like Al Gore who owns five large homes and fly's around in his personal jet while lecturing the rest of you about your carbon footprint! Save the planet by eating bugs and owning nothing while the Elite own it all. Kind of like a Monarchy isn't it. If you heated your home to a reasonable temperature you'd save America a bundle.  The operative word is "reasonable" - it means you need to wear a jumper inside and out...  Mort, you are to used to comfort.  Get over it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

I heat my home to 68 degrees (20degress to you) in winter and 76 degrees (24degrees to you) in summer. I don't own a private jet to travel around the World to lecture the simple people about their carbon footprint and I have never been invited to Davos to plan the lives of other people. Now if we could just get carbon filters on those volcanoes.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 11:26am:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 28th, 2023 at 12:01am: thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 27th, 2023 at 11:25pm: Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27th, 2023 at 11:05pm: 100 million people in America are saddled with medical debt: "The U.S. health system now produces debt on a mass scale, a new investigation shows. Patients across the country face gut-wrenching sacrifices". Almost a third of Americans are saddled with massive medical debt? Nope! How can they be both refused medical care because they can't afford to pay and have massive medical debt from their medical care? Think people, don't just take the media's word for it. Er, low IQ or just deplorably blind? 1. 1/3 have medical debt. 2. The same 1/3 weren't refused medical care, they received it and are now in debt. 3. the people who delayed getting health care (and died)  because they couldn't afford to pay (or go into debt)  refers to a different cohort. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/07/americans-healthcare-medical-costs The Americans dying because they can't afford medical care That is two thirds of all Americans. A little critical thinking is in order bud! Where can I find this two thirds of Americans to prove you right? Low IQ, I suppose.... 1. 1/3 are in medical debt. 2/3 are not. 2.  Of that 2/3,  many  aren't able to afford to access health care because they can't go into debt (insufficient income to ever repay the debt). (from the linked article) "A 2009 study conducted by researchers at Harvard Medical School found 45,000 Americans die every year as a direct result of not having any health insurance coverage. In 2018, 27.8 million Americans went without any health insurance for the entire year."

People decline medical treatment until their conditions worsen in many cases out of fear something serious is wrong with them. We have free clinics and charity hospitals for those who can't afford to pay. Claims that people are refused because of an inability to pay are false!

The majority of medical costs for almost everyone is in the last six months of life. Regardless of how well that care is they die. As I will say again "statistics don't lie but you can lie with statistics"! Americans are not dying for lack of medical care available to them.

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 10:04pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 28th, 2023 at 11:26am: Mortdooley wrote on Jan 28th, 2023 at 12:01am: thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 27th, 2023 at 11:25pm: Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27th, 2023 at 11:05pm: 100 million people in America are saddled with medical debt: "The U.S. health system now produces debt on a mass scale, a new investigation shows. Patients across the country face gut-wrenching sacrifices". Almost a third of Americans are saddled with massive medical debt? Nope! How can they be both refused medical care because they can't afford to pay and have massive medical debt from their medical care? Think people, don't just take the media's word for it. Er, low IQ or just deplorably blind? 1. 1/3 have medical debt. 2. The same 1/3 weren't refused medical care, they received it and are now in debt. 3. the people who delayed getting health care (and died)  because they couldn't afford to pay (or go into debt)  refers to a different cohort. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/07/americans-healthcare-medical-costs The Americans dying because they can't afford medical care That is two thirds of all Americans. A little critical thinking is in order bud! Where can I find this two thirds of Americans to prove you right? Low IQ, I suppose.... 1. 1/3 are in medical debt. 2/3 are not. 2.  Of that 2/3,  many  aren't able to afford to access health care because they can't go into debt (insufficient income to ever repay the debt). (from the linked article) "A 2009 study conducted by researchers at Harvard Medical School found 45,000 Americans die every year as a direct result of not having any health insurance coverage. In 2018, 27.8 million Americans went without any health insurance for the entire year." People decline medical treatment until their conditions worsen in many cases out of fear something serious is wrong with them. We have free clinics and charity hospitals for those who can't afford to pay. Claims that people are refused because of an inability to pay are false! The majority of medical costs for almost everyone is in the last six months of life. Regardless of how well that care is they die. As I will say again "statistics don't lie but you can lie with statistics"! Americans are not dying for lack of medical care available to them.

Exactly. I believe you have free medical in your jails too, Mort.

What are the leftards complaining about? If people ever get sick, they can always go to jail, right?

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 11:33pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 28th, 2023 at 10:04pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 28th, 2023 at 11:26am: Mortdooley wrote on Jan 28th, 2023 at 12:01am: thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 27th, 2023 at 11:25pm: Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27th, 2023 at 11:05pm: 100 million people in America are saddled with medical debt: "The U.S. health system now produces debt on a mass scale, a new investigation shows. Patients across the country face gut-wrenching sacrifices". Almost a third of Americans are saddled with massive medical debt? Nope! How can they be both refused medical care because they can't afford to pay and have massive medical debt from their medical care? Think people, don't just take the media's word for it. Er, low IQ or just deplorably blind? 1. 1/3 have medical debt. 2. The same 1/3 weren't refused medical care, they received it and are now in debt. 3. the people who delayed getting health care (and died)  because they couldn't afford to pay (or go into debt)  refers to a different cohort. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/07/americans-healthcare-medical-costs The Americans dying because they can't afford medical care That is two thirds of all Americans. A little critical thinking is in order bud! Where can I find this two thirds of Americans to prove you right? Low IQ, I suppose.... 1. 1/3 are in medical debt. 2/3 are not. 2.  Of that 2/3,  many  aren't able to afford to access health care because they can't go into debt (insufficient income to ever repay the debt). (from the linked article) "A 2009 study conducted by researchers at Harvard Medical School found 45,000 Americans die every year as a direct result of not having any health insurance coverage. In 2018, 27.8 million Americans went without any health insurance for the entire year." People decline medical treatment until their conditions worsen in many cases out of fear something serious is wrong with them. We have free clinics and charity hospitals for those who can't afford to pay. Claims that people are refused because of an inability to pay are false! The majority of medical costs for almost everyone is in the last six months of life. Regardless of how well that care is they die. As I will say again "statistics don't lie but you can lie with statistics"! Americans are not dying for lack of medical care available to them. Exactly. I believe you have free medical in your jails too, Mort. What are the leftards complaining about? If people ever get sick, they can always go to jail, right?

What a silly statement!

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 11:35pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 28th, 2023 at 11:33pm: Mortdooley wrote on Jan 28th, 2023 at 10:04pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 28th, 2023 at 11:26am: Mortdooley wrote on Jan 28th, 2023 at 12:01am: thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 27th, 2023 at 11:25pm: Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27th, 2023 at 11:05pm: 100 million people in America are saddled with medical debt: "The U.S. health system now produces debt on a mass scale, a new investigation shows. Patients across the country face gut-wrenching sacrifices". Almost a third of Americans are saddled with massive medical debt? Nope! How can they be both refused medical care because they can't afford to pay and have massive medical debt from their medical care? Think people, don't just take the media's word for it. Er, low IQ or just deplorably blind? 1. 1/3 have medical debt. 2. The same 1/3 weren't refused medical care, they received it and are now in debt. 3. the people who delayed getting health care (and died)  because they couldn't afford to pay (or go into debt)  refers to a different cohort. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/07/americans-healthcare-medical-costs The Americans dying because they can't afford medical care That is two thirds of all Americans. A little critical thinking is in order bud! Where can I find this two thirds of Americans to prove you right? Low IQ, I suppose.... 1. 1/3 are in medical debt. 2/3 are not. 2.  Of that 2/3,  many  aren't able to afford to access health care because they can't go into debt (insufficient income to ever repay the debt). (from the linked article) "A 2009 study conducted by researchers at Harvard Medical School found 45,000 Americans die every year as a direct result of not having any health insurance coverage. In 2018, 27.8 million Americans went without any health insurance for the entire year." People decline medical treatment until their conditions worsen in many cases out of fear something serious is wrong with them. We have free clinics and charity hospitals for those who can't afford to pay. Claims that people are refused because of an inability to pay are false! The majority of medical costs for almost everyone is in the last six months of life. Regardless of how well that care is they die. As I will say again "statistics don't lie but you can lie with statistics"! Americans are not dying for lack of medical care available to them. Exactly. I believe you have free medical in your jails too, Mort. What are the leftards complaining about? If people ever get sick, they can always go to jail, right? What a silly statement!

Well, it's true. It's probably easier to drive over the border to get your meds in Canada, but if you want decent mental health care, you can always smash a politician's husband's scull in with a hammer, no?

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 10:04pm:

People decline medical treatment until their conditions worsen in many cases out of fear something serious is wrong with them.

When they know they can't afford the cost of treatment.....


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We have free clinics and charity hospitals for those who can't afford to pay. Claims that people are refused because of an inability to pay are false!

So why are 45,000 dying each year because they can't afford health insurance, or health treatment.


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The majority of medical costs for almost everyone is in the last six months of life. Regardless of how well that care is they die. As I will say again "statistics don't lie but you can lie with statistics"! Americans are not dying for lack of medical care available to them.

That's mostly for the insured rich on whom a fortune is spent  on  high-tech medicine, trying to remain alive at the end of their lives. 

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 28^th, 2023 at 9:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 28th, 2023 at 12:44pm: Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27th, 2023 at 10:33pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 27th, 2023 at 12:15pm: Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27th, 2023 at 2:05am: Dnarever wrote on Jan 26th, 2023 at 10:46pm: Quote: Climate Change. Don't you lefties understand that climate change is just as much of a fake Garbage. Climate Change is a Religion, not a Science! Actually, I'd say climate-change-denial is a religion.  All the science backs the climate-change side of the argument, it is the deniers who are acting like religious believers who refuse to look at the facts.   ::) ::) If you believe that get all your friends to join you and drive half as often and stop keeping your homes at a comfortable temperature. Then worship at the feet of people like Al Gore who owns five large homes and fly's around in his personal jet while lecturing the rest of you about your carbon footprint! Save the planet by eating bugs and owning nothing while the Elite own it all. Kind of like a Monarchy isn't it. If you heated your home to a reasonable temperature you'd save America a bundle.  The operative word is "reasonable" - it means you need to wear a jumper inside and out...  Mort, you are to used to comfort.  Get over it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) I heat my home to 68 degrees (20degress to you) in winter and 76 degrees (24degrees to you) in summer. I don't own a private jet to travel around the World to lecture the simple people about their carbon footprint and I have never been invited to Davos to plan the lives of other people. Now if we could just get carbon filters on those volcanoes.

If you heated your home to a moderated degree (ie 55 degrees in winter and didn't cool it in summer, say by opening windows/doors) you might save several hundred tonnes of coal every year.  You come on here all the time, telling people downunder how to live their lives and what they should believe, why?  Does it make you feel good?  It annoys us, which is of course your ultimate aim, now isn't it.  Stop living in a fantasy world and face reality!  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 2:37pm:

If you heated your home to a moderated degree (ie 55 degrees in winter and didn't cool it in summer, say by opening windows/doors) you might save several hundred tonnes of coal every year.  You come on here all the time, telling people downunder how to live their lives and what they should believe, why?  Does it make you feel good?  It annoys us, which is of course your ultimate aim, now isn't it.  Stop living in a fantasy world and face reality!  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

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Listen to you, pompous pain in the arse!  You alone do the work of a dozen annoying posturing idiots, you Stakhanovite cockwomble!

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Our Liberal Friends Have Learned Nothing

You have to worry about the confidence of the condescending right.

Imaging going on about the left learning when you would have to wonder if the right have ever known anything to start with.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 2:37pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 28th, 2023 at 9:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 28th, 2023 at 12:44pm: Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27th, 2023 at 10:33pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 27th, 2023 at 12:15pm: Mortdooley wrote on Jan 27th, 2023 at 2:05am: Dnarever wrote on Jan 26th, 2023 at 10:46pm: Quote: Climate Change. Don't you lefties understand that climate change is just as much of a fake Garbage. Climate Change is a Religion, not a Science! Actually, I'd say climate-change-denial is a religion.  All the science backs the climate-change side of the argument, it is the deniers who are acting like religious believers who refuse to look at the facts.   ::) ::) If you believe that get all your friends to join you and drive half as often and stop keeping your homes at a comfortable temperature. Then worship at the feet of people like Al Gore who owns five large homes and fly's around in his personal jet while lecturing the rest of you about your carbon footprint! Save the planet by eating bugs and owning nothing while the Elite own it all. Kind of like a Monarchy isn't it. If you heated your home to a reasonable temperature you'd save America a bundle.  The operative word is "reasonable" - it means you need to wear a jumper inside and out...  Mort, you are to used to comfort.  Get over it.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) I heat my home to 68 degrees (20degress to you) in winter and 76 degrees (24degrees to you) in summer. I don't own a private jet to travel around the World to lecture the simple people about their carbon footprint and I have never been invited to Davos to plan the lives of other people. Now if we could just get carbon filters on those volcanoes. If you heated your home to a moderated degree (ie 55 degrees in winter and didn't cool it in summer, say by opening windows/doors) you might save several hundred tonnes of coal every year.  You come on here all the time, telling people downunder how to live their lives and what they should believe, why?  Does it make you feel good?  It annoys us, which is of course your ultimate aim, now isn't it.  Stop living in a fantasy world and face reality!  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Our Power Plants are run on Natural Gas, not coal. Somewhere there are still coal fired plants but I don't know of any They can even be identified by the lack of a conveyor or just their low profile. If I kept my home at 55 in Winter my birds who I refer to as the "Democrats" would die. I call them that because they are totally dependent on my care and squawk almost all the time. If I slept with my windows open in the Summer mosquitos would make nights very uncomfortable. I love my HVAC System.

I would say my telling others how to live is called "tit for tat", I'm just trying to help. You may not have ever been exposed to people that think for themselves and outside the box, so to speak. I do find objections to my beliefs and adoration of your betters entertaining. The traditional definition of Liberal is not what is practiced currently here. Our liberals are very authoritarian and cling to a strong code of the ends justify the means and double standards. The Libertarians are what liberal was in the distant past. I consider myself Libertarian but know I don't agree with everything they do either. I see some of their beliefs as destructive like open borders!

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 29^th, 2023 at 10:31pm:

Our Power Plants are run on Natural Gas, not coal. Somewhere there are still coal fired plants but I don't know of any They can even be identified by the lack of a conveyor or just their low profile. If I kept my home at 55 in Winter my birds who I refer to as the "Democrats" would die. I call them that because they are totally dependent on my care and squawk almost all the time. If I slept with my windows open in the Summer mosquitos would make nights very uncomfortable. I love my HVAC System.

We have these marvelous inventions Downunder call, "flyscreens" you can have your windows open and no insect can get in.  Beautiful cool breezes in summer and no mosquitos/flies in sight.  Funny how you resort to the electrical powered solution, hey, Mort?


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I would say my telling others how to live is called "tit for tat", I'm just trying to help. You may not have ever been exposed to people that think for themselves and outside the box, so to speak. I do find objections to my beliefs and adoration of your betters entertaining. The traditional definition of Liberal is not what is practiced currently here. Our liberals are very authoritarian and cling to a strong code of the ends justify the means and double standards. The Libertarians are what liberal was in the distant past. I consider myself Libertarian but know I don't agree with everything they do either. I see some of their beliefs as destructive like open borders!

When you learn about the realities of living in a normal world, get back to me.  You know, the world where you have Government intervention in the economy, where you have managed health care, unemployment benefits, etc.  When you have a higher Freedom Rating from Freedom House, you can talk, Mort. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 11:13am:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 29th, 2023 at 10:31pm: Our Power Plants are run on Natural Gas, not coal. Somewhere there are still coal fired plants but I don't know of any They can even be identified by the lack of a conveyor or just their low profile. If I kept my home at 55 in Winter my birds who I refer to as the "Democrats" would die. I call them that because they are totally dependent on my care and squawk almost all the time. If I slept with my windows open in the Summer mosquitos would make nights very uncomfortable. I love my HVAC System. We have these marvelous inventions Downunder call, "flyscreens" you can have your windows open and no insect can get in.  Beautiful cool breezes in summer and no mosquitos/flies in sight.  Funny how you resort to the electrical powered solution, hey, Mort? Quote: I would say my telling others how to live is called "tit for tat", I'm just trying to help. You may not have ever been exposed to people that think for themselves and outside the box, so to speak. I do find objections to my beliefs and adoration of your betters entertaining. The traditional definition of Liberal is not what is practiced currently here. Our liberals are very authoritarian and cling to a strong code of the ends justify the means and double standards. The Libertarians are what liberal was in the distant past. I consider myself Libertarian but know I don't agree with everything they do either. I see some of their beliefs as destructive like open borders! When you learn about the realities of living in a normal world, get back to me.  You know, the world where you have Government intervention in the economy, where you have managed health care, unemployment benefits, etc.  When you have a higher Freedom Rating from Freedom House, you can talk, Mort. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

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Yeah, yeah, whatever, inane bogan...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...     :-/ :-/

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Brian Ross wrote on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 11:13am:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 29th, 2023 at 10:31pm: Our Power Plants are run on Natural Gas, not coal. Somewhere there are still coal fired plants but I don't know of any They can even be identified by the lack of a conveyor or just their low profile. If I kept my home at 55 in Winter my birds who I refer to as the "Democrats" would die. I call them that because they are totally dependent on my care and squawk almost all the time. If I slept with my windows open in the Summer mosquitos would make nights very uncomfortable. I love my HVAC System. We have these marvelous inventions Downunder call, "flyscreens" you can have your windows open and no insect can get in.  Beautiful cool breezes in summer and no mosquitos/flies in sight.  Funny how you resort to the electrical powered solution, hey, Mort? Quote: I would say my telling others how to live is called "tit for tat", I'm just trying to help. You may not have ever been exposed to people that think for themselves and outside the box, so to speak. I do find objections to my beliefs and adoration of your betters entertaining. The traditional definition of Liberal is not what is practiced currently here. Our liberals are very authoritarian and cling to a strong code of the ends justify the means and double standards. The Libertarians are what liberal was in the distant past. I consider myself Libertarian but know I don't agree with everything they do either. I see some of their beliefs as destructive like open borders! When you learn about the realities of living in a normal world, get back to me.  You know, the world where you have Government intervention in the economy, where you have managed health care, unemployment benefits, etc.  When you have a higher Freedom Rating from Freedom House, you can talk, Mort. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

You don't have to worry about my energy usage for heating and cooling, the pump on my swimming pool uses more most months.

The normal World left a long time ago. We definitely have intervention in the economy, it is called inflation. It hurts the poor more than anyone. I have found the cost of health care here is fairly low, the cost of the monthly premiums to be insured is the problem. We can afford it, for others it is a financial drain they can ill afford. Illegal Aliens using our Emergency Rooms as their personal Clinics have caused many Hospital to go out of business because they couldn't meet expenses after being required to give free care to so many. Unemployment benefits are based on the individuals wages during the claims period, it isn't a free ride because someone doesn't have a job. Otherwise is is just Welfare.

Freedom house uses a set of standards that are less then friendly to individuals. They could be better described as the judge of which country is the New Sodom and Gomorra! Canada is considered more free then the United States however the power of their dictatorial Prime Minister seems unlimited. In one day, unilaterally: The Act, issued on Monday, gives the federal government broad power to restore order.  It threatens to tow away vehicles to keep essential services running; freeze truckers’ personal and corporate bank accounts; and take further action to strike at their livelihoods The Citizens wanted covid restrictions dropped and it was their way to get the attention of their government. The government response was if they didn't comply government would seize as many of their assets as it wanted until the Truckers submitted! That isn't freedom! New Zealand isn't any better, with the stroke of a pen their Prime Minster can enact a ruling making something illegal that was legal the day before. I read the individual reasons for them to rate Countries based on their interpretations and there isn't another Country in the World I would want to move to permanently. I could enjoy an extended stay in the Countries of Western Europe I've visited but only for a while.

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 31^st, 2023 at 10:31pm:

You don't have to worry about my energy usage for heating and cooling, the pump on my swimming pool uses more most months. The normal World left a long time ago. We definitely have intervention in the economy, it is called inflation. It hurts the poor more than anyone. I have found the cost of health care here is fairly low, the cost of the monthly premiums to be insured is the problem. We can afford it, for others it is a financial drain they can ill afford. Illegal Aliens using our Emergency Rooms as their personal Clinics have caused many Hospital to go out of business because they couldn't meet expenses after being required to give free care to so many. Unemployment benefits are based on the individuals wages during the claims period, it isn't a free ride because someone doesn't have a job. Otherwise is is just Welfare.

Welfare, as you call it, keeps people alive.  Welfare, as you call it, so dismissively allows them to pay for medicine, food, school for their children, etc.  Of course you blame illegal Aliens for the loss of hospitals rather than a dysfunctional social system which fails society as a whole because it is easier than accepting the blame yourself.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


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Freedom house uses a set of standards that are less then friendly to individuals. They could be better described as the judge of which country is the New Sodom and Gomorra! Canada is considered more free then the United States however the power of their dictatorial Prime Minister seems unlimited. In one day, unilaterally: The Act, issued on Monday, gives the federal government broad power to restore order.  It threatens to tow away vehicles to keep essential services running; freeze truckers’ personal and corporate bank accounts; and take further action to strike at their livelihoods The Citizens wanted covid restrictions dropped and it was their way to get the attention of their government. The government response was if they didn't comply government would seize as many of their assets as it wanted until the Truckers submitted! That isn't freedom! New Zealand isn't any better, with the stroke of a pen their Prime Minster can enact a ruling making something illegal that was legal the day before. I read the individual reasons for them to rate Countries based on their interpretations and there isn't another Country in the World I would want to move to permanently. I could enjoy an extended stay in the Countries of Western Europe I've visited but only for a while.

The reality is that any act that is passed in Canada or any other parliamentary democracy has to pass Parliament before it is enacted.  The people's representatives have to pass the act democratically, just like the US does with it's congress and senate.   Freedom House takes into account the freedoms that individual enjoy and guess what?  The US loses compared to Australia, New Zealand and Canada.  Time to grow up, Mort, accept that the US is not as free as you believe.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 30^th, 2023 at 11:13am:

We have these marvelous inventions Downunder call, "flyscreens" you can have your windows open and no insect can get in.

Flyscreens will make the bullet proof glass obsolete

John Smith wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 1:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 30th, 2023 at 11:13am: We have these marvelous inventions Downunder call, "flyscreens" you can have your windows open and no insect can get in.  Flyscreens will make the bullet proof glass obsolete

Good point, JS. Mort's going to need bullet-proofing too.

The only one to stop a bad guy with a gun's a good guy with some serious armour, no?

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Welfare, as you call it, keeps people alive.  Welfare, as you call it, so dismissively allows them to pay for medicine, food, school for their children, etc .  Of course you blame illegal Aliens for the loss of hospitals rather than a dysfunctional social system which fails society as a whole because it is easier than accepting the blame yourself.

Your point is that welfare allows people to pay for everything with money from the taxpayers! Where we differ is that I am a "hand up" person and you are a "hand out" person. What can they do to become productive and can we help? Not here is a steady income that may even become generational, because we care! They have no feeling of "shame" about living off the charity of others, or they would do something about it!  Hospitals are businesses and when their expenses exceed their income for too long they close.


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The reality is that any act that is passed in Canada or any other parliamentary democracy has to pass Parliament before it is enacted.  The people's representatives have to pass the act democratically, just like the US does with it's congress and senate.   Freedom House takes into account the freedoms that individual enjoy and guess what?  The US loses compared to Australia, New Zealand and Canada.  Time to grow up, Mort, accept that the US is not as free as you believe.

The US isn't as free as it once was but is still less intrusive than anywhere else. So far I can't be fined or prosecuted for something I post online. We do have a lot of political censorship but that is the result of liberal ownership of sites, not actual government decree.

British Police Arrest At Least 3,395 People for ‘Offensive’ Online Comments in One Year

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2017/10/14/british-police-arrest-at-least-3395-people-for-offensive-online-comments-one-year/

I'm not a fan of Canada's price controls either. Let the seller set the price of his goods and services. Last Fall the price of gasoline was $1.79ca per liter everywhere because the government set the price. It did nothing to bring the fuel to the pump but couldn't just add tax to the price, it had to control the price as well.

Freedom House seems to consider lax laws, acceptance of perversions and dishonesty a form of freedom.

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 1^st, 2023 at 9:28pm:

Quote: Welfare, as you call it, keeps people alive.  Welfare, as you call it, so dismissively allows them to pay for medicine, food, school for their children, etc .  Of course you blame illegal Aliens for the loss of hospitals rather than a dysfunctional social system which fails society as a whole because it is easier than accepting the blame yourself. Your point is that welfare allows people to pay for everything with money from the taxpayers! Where we differ is that I am a "hand up" person and you are a "hand out" person. What can they do to become productive and can we help? Not here is a steady income that may even become generational, because we care! They have no feeling of "shame" about living off the charity of others, or they would do something about it!  Hospitals are businesses and when their expenses exceed their income for too long they close.

Oh, I believe we should be giving people a "hand up" out of poverty, Mort, most definitely.  I just do not believe in condemning people because they receive welfare like you and most conservatives do.  You seem to blame people for circumstances beyond their control.  It isn't their fault that they are made unemployed, yet you seem to condemn them for it.  They deserve help to get them out of their predicament rather than condemnation.



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[quote] The reality is that any act that is passed in Canada or any other parliamentary democracy has to pass Parliament before it is enacted.  The people's representatives have to pass the act democratically, just like the US does with it's congress and senate.   Freedom House takes into account the freedoms that individual enjoy and guess what?  The US loses compared to Australia, New Zealand and Canada.  Time to grow up, Mort, accept that the US is not as free as you believe.

The US isn't as free as it once was but is still less intrusive than anywhere else.[/quote]

That you know of or accept.  You have a very narrow band of experience, Mort.  There are societies outside of it.


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So far I can't be fined or prosecuted for something I post online. We do have a lot of political censorship but that is the result of liberal ownership of sites, not actual government decree.

Downunder, we experience only right-wing news, in the main, all owned by one owner, Rupert Murdock.  He dominates the media landscape downunder.  You'd be happy reading only right-wing news.  Thankfully we have the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Company) and SBS (Special Broadcasting Service) as alternatives, plus of course the Gruinard (Guardian).  Of course you'd more than likely would prefer the extreme Right-wing sites like Sky News, owned also by Rupert.   Thankfully we don't have anything as stupid as Breitbart or Fox News here.


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British Police Arrest At Least 3,395 People for ‘Offensive’ Online Comments in One Year https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2017/10/14/british-police-arrest-at-least-3395-people-for-offensive-online-comments-one-year/

Oh, dear.  You'd hate ABC - the most trusted news site downunder...


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I'm not a fan of Canada's price controls either. Let the seller set the price of his goods and services. Last Fall the price of gasoline was $1.79ca per liter everywhere because the government set the price. It did nothing to bring the fuel to the pump but couldn't just add tax to the price, it had to control the price as well. Freedom House seems to consider lax laws, acceptance of perversions and dishonesty a form of freedom.

They are it seems, in the US from our perspective.  After all, you elected ex-el-Presidente Trump.  The only twice impeached ex-el-Presidente.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2023 at 1:56pm:

Oh, I believe we should be giving people a "hand up" out of poverty, Mort, most definitely.  I just do not believe in condemning people because they receive welfare like you and most conservatives do.  You seem to blame people for circumstances beyond their control.  It isn't their fault that they are made unemployed, yet you seem to condemn them for it.  They deserve help to get them out of their predicament rather than condemnation.

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That you know of or accept.  You have a very narrow band of experience, Mort.  There are societies outside of it.

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Downunder, we experience only right-wing news, in the main, all owned by one owner, Rupert Murdock.  He dominates the media landscape downunder.  You'd be happy reading only right-wing news.  Thankfully we have the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Company) and SBS (Special Broadcasting Service) as alternatives, plus of course the Gruinard (Guardian).  Of course you'd more than likely would prefer the extreme Right-wing sites like Sky News, owned also by Rupert.   Thankfully we don't have anything as stupid as Breitbart or Fox News here.

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Oh, dear.  You'd hate ABC - the most trusted news site downunder...

You are talking utter crap, as usual, spineles disgrace.  With your every wheezing breath it's just more smug, spineless vanity and despicable lies.

Frank wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2023 at 2:15pm:

You are talking utter crap, as usual, spineles disgrace.  With your every wheezing breath it's just more smug, spineless vanity and despicable lies.

er, Frank, that's not debate, you could start with "it's not their fault if they become unemployed" (due to circum- stances beyond their control (like the black stockmen  laid off by racist ranchers when the equal pay legislation was passed).

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Oh, I believe we should be giving people a "hand up" out of poverty, Mort, most definitely.  I just do not believe in condemning people because they receive welfare like you and most conservatives do.  You seem to blame people for circumstances beyond their control.  It isn't their fault that they are made unemployed, yet you seem to condemn them for it.  They deserve help to get them out of their predicament rather than condemnation.

Those people being supported by the Tax Payers need to be held to a higher standard of need. It is far too easy to get on the dole and the main reason for it is to create a culture of dependence on government. Just because someone feels entitled or is just bone ass lazy doesn't make them deserving of a piece of the income of others. We need to help the physically and mentally handicapped, they deserve our charity. The able bodied need to starve if they will not help themselves. Excuses, Excuses, Excuses.


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Downunder, we experience only right-wing news, in the main, all owned by one owner, Rupert Murdock.  He dominates the media landscape downunder.  You'd be happy reading only right-wing news.  Thankfully we have the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Company) and SBS (Special Broadcasting Service) as alternatives, plus of course the Gruinard (Guardian).  Of course you'd more than likely would prefer the extreme Right-wing sites like Sky News, owned also by Rupert.   Thankfully we don't have anything as stupid as Breitbart or Fox News here.

I read todays ABC Australian and it seemed pretty neutral about reporting stories unlike the Sydney Morning Herald. Our Media is mostly slanted and obvious opinion passed off as news stories.


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They are it seems, in the US from our perspective.  After all, you elected ex-el-Presidente Trump.  The only twice impeached ex-el-Presidente.

What was President Trump impeached for? Threatening to drain the Swamp! Every few days we see more democrats in government being found to have lied or ignored the truth for their political gain. If you really cared about corruption in American politics it is busting out all over with the criminals currently running our government! The Left wishes it had a fraction of the Biden's scandal's to  blame on Trump family members! Stolen Valor Richard Blumenthal, Congressman Eric Swalwell and Fang Fang, Paul Pelosi and his gay lovers. The list is huge if anyone wanted to pursue it.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bias-by-omission-2021

Free health care at work?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-02/productivity-commission-data-shows-emergency-wait-times-growing/101918206

Google or search engine of your choice, democrat scandals ignored by the media.

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2023 at 10:56pm:

Quote: Oh, I believe we should be giving people a "hand up" out of poverty, Mort, most definitely.  I just do not believe in condemning people because they receive welfare like you and most conservatives do.  You seem to blame people for circumstances beyond their control.  It isn't their fault that they are made unemployed, yet you seem to condemn them for it.  They deserve help to get them out of their predicament rather than condemnation. Those people being supported by the Tax Payers need to be held to a higher standard of need. It is far too easy to get on the dole and the main reason for it is to create a culture of dependence on government. Just because someone feels entitled or is just bone ass lazy doesn't make them deserving of a piece of the income of others. We need to help the physically and mentally handicapped, they deserve our charity. The able bodied need to starve if they will not help themselves. Excuses, Excuses, Excuses.

The only dependence I see is one of need, need necessitated by their circumstance.  What would you prefer?  A literal "Dole queue" where the unemployed queue to receive their necessities from charities? These people have need and they have dignity and both should be supported, Mort.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


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[quote]Downunder, we experience only right-wing news, in the main, all owned by one owner, Rupert Murdock.  He dominates the media landscape downunder.  You'd be happy reading only right-wing news.  Thankfully we have the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Company) and SBS (Special Broadcasting Service) as alternatives, plus of course the Gruinard (Guardian).  Of course you'd more than likely would prefer the extreme Right-wing sites like Sky News, owned also by Rupert.   Thankfully we don't have anything as stupid as Breitbart or Fox News here.

I read todays ABC Australian and it seemed pretty neutral about reporting stories unlike the Sydney Morning Herald. Our Media is mostly slanted and obvious opinion passed off as news stories.
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The ABC because it doesn't slant it's reportage still gets a bucketful from your compatriots, Mort.  The SMH is actually fairly right wing in it's views.  You should read the Australian for a right-wing view downunder.   We are constantly bombarded by it's anti-ABC slant.


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[quote]They are it seems, in the US from our perspective.  After all, you elected ex-el-Presidente Trump.  The only twice impeached ex-el-Presidente.

What was President Trump impeached for? Threatening to drain the Swamp! Every few days we see more democrats in government being found to have lied or ignored the truth for their political gain. If you really cared about corruption in American politics it is busting out all over with the criminals currently running our government! The Left wishes it had a fraction of the Biden's scandal's to  blame on Trump family members! Stolen Valor Richard Blumenthal, Congressman Eric Swalwell and Fang Fang, Paul Pelosi and his gay lovers. The list is huge if anyone wanted to pursue it.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bias-by-omission-2021

Free health care at work?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-02/productivity-commission-data-shows-emergency-wait-times-growing/101918206

Google or search engine of your choice, democrat scandals ignored by the media.[/quote]

And what is wrong with looking after your workers and making sure they receive adequate health care, Mort?  Seems sensible to me.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 11:27am:

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 2nd, 2023 at 10:56pm: I read todays ABC Australian and it seemed pretty neutral about reporting stories unlike the Sydney Morning Herald. Our Media is mostly slanted and obvious opinion passed off as news stories. The ABC because it doesn't slant it's reportage still gets a bucketful from your compatriots, Mort.  The SMH is actually fairly right wing in it's views.  You should read the Australian for a right-wing view downunder.   We are constantly bombarded by it's anti-ABC slant.

The ABC news bulletins are pretty straightforward but very selective on what they report.

When it comes to current affairs, panels and discussions on culture, politics, society, the ABC is openly 'progressive' left wing without any attempt at balance or true debate if a wide variety of views. It is totally captured by its employee collective.

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The only dependence I see is one of need, need necessitated by their circumstance.  What would you prefer?  A literal "Dole queue" where the unemployed queue to receive their necessities from charities? These people have need and they have dignity and both should be supported, Mort.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...

You seem to mean healthy people who know how to game the system. Here government housing is full of able bodied people who have one excuse or another for why they can't be self supporting. A single mother with multiple children from different fathers can't work because she can't afford daycare is a common qualifier. A man who chooses not to work often lives with these women. I personally know a man who claims to have severe Crohn’s Disease is considered disabled and can't work but his BIL who is handclapped has a six figure income and works from home job.


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The ABC because it doesn't slant it's reportage still gets a bucketful from your compatriots, Mort.  The SMH is actually fairly right wing in it's views.  You should read the Australian for a right-wing view downunder.   We are constantly bombarded by it's anti-ABC slant.

The only problem I see with your ABC is that they call their opinion pages fact check! That section is definitely slanted very Left. It doesn't seem so to you because you probable agree with most of it. Kind of an echo chamber if you know what I mean. The slant of all publications comes out in it's opinion pages.


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And what is wrong with looking after your workers and making sure they receive adequate health care, Mort?  Seems sensible to me.

There is nothing wrong with providing employees with a health insurance plan that both contribute to. A plan that offers reasonable coverage at a reasonable price is fair, as long as the employer is large enough to afford to offer one.

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 9:29pm:

Quote: The only dependence I see is one of need, need necessitated by their circumstance.  What would you prefer?  A literal "Dole queue" where the unemployed queue to receive their necessities from charities? These people have need and they have dignity and both should be supported, Mort.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... You seem to mean healthy people who know how to game the system. Here government housing is full of able bodied people who have one excuse or another for why they can't be self supporting. A single mother with multiple children from different fathers can't work because she can't afford daycare is a common qualifier. A man who chooses not to work often lives with these women. I personally know a man who claims to have severe Crohn’s Disease is considered disabled and can't work but his BIL who is handclapped has a six figure income and works from home job. " BIL"?  I am unfamiliar with that term, what does it mean? Sounds like your jealous, Mort.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

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[quote]The ABC because it doesn't slant it's reportage still gets a bucketful from your compatriots, Mort.  The SMH is actually fairly right wing in it's views.  You should read the Australian for a right-wing view downunder.   We are constantly bombarded by it's anti-ABC slant.

The only problem I see with your ABC is that they call their opinion pages fact check! That section is definitely slanted very Left. It doesn't seem so to you because you probable agree with most of it. Kind of an echo chamber if you know what I mean. The slant of all publications comes out in it's opinion pages.[/quote]

They are called "Fact Check" because that is exactly what they doing - checking the claims by politicians.  Should they just let such idiot bullshit go through to the keeper, Mort?  Is that how it is done in the US?


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[quote] And what is wrong with looking after your workers and making sure they receive adequate health care, Mort?  Seems sensible to me.

There is nothing wrong with providing employees with a health insurance plan that both contribute to. A plan that offers reasonable coverage at a reasonable price is fair, as long as the employer is large enough to afford to offer one. [/quote]

It is to the employers' benefit to provide health care, Mort, so why shouldn't they pay for it for their employees?   ::) ::)

BLM= Brother-in-Law. What would I be jealous of? It is considered rude to ask a man what his income is but I can assure you I have no reason to be jealous.

Fact check seems to be accepted dogma of what is commonly believed!

If an employer is required to pay the entire insurance for the employee its cost will be part of the wage. The cost of employees is much higher than the statement on their pay check. Considering the total cost for an employee may be as much as double what is seen as a wage. Benefits can be very expensive and the employer needs a way it recover the cost!

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2023 at 10:56pm:

Those people being supported by the Tax Payers need to be held to a higher standard of need. It is far too easy to get on the dole and the main reason for it is to create a culture of dependence on government.

Welfare dependency is actually built into the system, because the current mainstream economic orthodoxy insists everyone must compete in the 'market economy', or be relegated to the unemployment scrap heap.

But "help yourself" is unrealistic, when you are unable to compete in the free market. 

A Job Guarantee (at minimum wage), is the solution; all useful work has value regardless of the market. 

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2023 at 11:21pm:

BLM= Brother-in-Law. What would I be jealous of? It is considered rude to ask a man what his income is but I can assure you I have no reason to be jealous.

Ah, I am unsure what your brother-in-law has to do with matters, but, OK...


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Fact check seems to be accepted dogma of what is commonly believed!

No, it is to be checked against the facts, Mort.  I know that is an alien concept in the US but downunder, if something is a lie, it remains a lie, if it is true, it is true, the facts reveal it's true nature and we have what is called, "the pub test" - would it be acceptably in the front bar of a pub? If it fails that test there isn't much hope for it.


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If an employer is required to pay the entire insurance for the employee its cost will be part of the wage. The cost of employees is much higher than the statement on their pay check. Considering the total cost for an employee may be as much as double what is seen as a wage. Benefits can be very expensive and the employer needs a way it recover the cost!

It is not part of their wage, it is an investment by the employer.  Strange concept that an employer might care about his employees' welfare but that is how it works downunder.  Perhaps you might re-orientate your moral compass and think about your fellow man for a change?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2023 at 4:55pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 2nd, 2023 at 2:15pm: You are talking utter crap, as usual, spineles disgrace.  With your every wheezing breath it's just more smug, spineless vanity and despicable lies. er, Frank, that's not debate, you could start with "it's not their fault if they become unemployed" (due to circum- stances beyond their control (like the black stockmen  laid off by racist ranchers when the equal pay legislation was passed).

Aren't we supposed to be self-reliant, rather than being dependent on everyone else

The American way is voluntary charity, give a helping hand to the down and out until they get back on their feet

Socialist intervention means the charity becomes compulsory and it grows from there until it's 50% of the govt's budget

Then blow me down, we still get a multitude of organizations who expect us to voluntarily give some of our cash for the down and out

Greedy Socialist double dipping I'd call that

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 10^th, 2023 at 3:29pm:

No, it is to be checked against the facts, Mort.  I know that is an alien concept in the US but downunder, if something is a lie, it remains a lie, if it is true, it is true, the facts reveal it's true nature and we have what is called, "the pub test" - would it be acceptably in the front bar of a pub? If it fails that test there isn't much hope for it. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

;D ;D

Fact check (unknown where it was invented, says Doctor Know SFA) is the old pub test!

What a confused, stupid, pompous ass you are, Bbwian. Fact checks  AND pub tests say so.

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Ah, I am unsure what your brother-in-law has to do with matters, but, OK...

Not my BIL, the handicapped mans brother-in-law. Let me try to clarify who my example person is. He is fit and strong, and could make a fair wage at a variety of jobs but has learned how to game the system. If he worked some of that income would go to pay for the benefits currently covered by Us the Tax Payers.


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No, it is to be checked against the facts, Mort.  I know that is an alien concept in the US but downunder, if something is a lie, it remains a lie, if it is true, it is true, the facts reveal it's true nature and we have what is called, "the pub test" - would it be acceptably in the front bar of a pub? If it fails that test there isn't much hope for it.

Fact check: On April 12, 1633

Galileo is accused of heresy. Galileo was ordered to turn himself in to the Holy Office to begin trial for holding the belief that the Earth revolves around the sun.

Common belief among any group of people does not make something true. The Left actually has its own facts which are not generally truth!


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It is not part of their wage, it is an investment by the employer.  Strange concept that an employer might care about his employees' welfare but that is how it works downunder.  Perhaps you might re-orientate your moral compass and think about your fellow man for a change?

I understand the concept, if you keep the slaves healthy they can stay in the fields and work.

"If an employer is required to pay the entire insurance for the employee its cost will be part of the wage. The cost of employees is much higher than the statement on their pay check. Considering the total cost for an employee may be as much as double what is seen as a wage. Benefits can be very expensive and the employer needs a way to recover the cost!"

There is a "market price" for everything in business including wages. The bottom line for employees isn't how much is in their pay envelope, it is how much including all benefits and expenses those employees cost the employer. Social Security is a system that guarantees a supplemental income but was never created to replace a retirement account. For every dollar an employee pays into the system, the employer pays an equal amount for the employee. If benefits are included, pro-rate the expense to the hourly wage and it may cost 50% more. When the book keeper does their job the employees are an expense just like fuel, materials, interest on a business loan and government permits. That isn't dehumanizing, it is the reality that a worker must be worthy of his hire! It isn't charity!

Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 10^th, 2023 at 4:42pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 2nd, 2023 at 4:55pm: Frank wrote on Feb 2nd, 2023 at 2:15pm: You are talking utter crap, as usual, spineles disgrace.  With your every wheezing breath it's just more smug, spineless vanity and despicable lies. er, Frank, that's not debate, you could start with "it's not their fault if they become unemployed" (due to circum- stances beyond their control (like the black stockmen  laid off by racist ranchers when the equal pay legislation was passed). Aren't we supposed to be self-reliant, rather than being dependent on everyone else The American way is voluntary charity, give a helping hand to the down and out until they get back on their feet Socialist intervention means the charity becomes compulsory and it grows from there until it's 50% of the govt's budget Then blow me down, we still get a multitude of organizations who expect us to voluntarily give some of our cash for the down and out Greedy Socialist double dipping I'd call that

As long as you rob Peter to pay Paul you can depend on Pauls vote. it is the Democrat platform for dependence to insure votes. If the Republicans would just promise to give those living off the system more then the democrats offer, it could change the voting patterns. Kind of a slow motion "Cloward-Piven" strategy. Everybody gets a check and no one works, Utopia!!!

It is all very simple, those that work have to carry those who won't! Welfare needs to become workfare, every day the bus needs to come by to take them to a menial labor job they are able to perform.

If that doesn't appeal try this life hack.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3gcb48i6qk8

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2023 at 4:55pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 2nd, 2023 at 2:15pm: You are talking utter crap, as usual, spineles disgrace.  With your every wheezing breath it's just more smug, spineless vanity and despicable lies. er, Frank, that's not debate, you could start with "it's not their fault if they become unemployed" (due to circum- stances beyond their control (like the black stockmen  laid off by racist ranchers when the equal pay legislation was passed).

Nyack Middle School in New York apologised for serving an ‘inexcusably insensitive’ lunch of fried chicken and watermelon on the first day of Black History Month.



Wacist fud.

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 10^th, 2023 at 9:40pm:

Quote: Ah, I am unsure what your brother-in-law has to do with matters, but, OK... Not my BIL, the handicapped mans brother-in-law. Let me try to clarify who my example person is. He is fit and strong, and could make a fair wage at a variety of jobs but has learned how to game the system. If he worked some of that income would go to pay for the benefits currently covered by Us the Tax Payers.

Sounds to me, that you are blaming the victim in this for deciding to survive in a system that is inherently corrupt.  Your society created the system, so why blame the man for using it?


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[quote]No, it is to be checked against the facts, Mort.  I know that is an alien concept in the US but downunder, if something is a lie, it remains a lie, if it is true, it is true, the facts reveal it's true nature and we have what is called, "the pub test" - would it be acceptably in the front bar of a pub? If it fails that test there isn't much hope for it.

Fact check: On April 12, 1633

Galileo is accused of heresy. Galileo was ordered to turn himself in to the Holy Office to begin trial for holding the belief that the Earth revolves around the sun.

Common belief among any group of people does not make something true. The Left actually has its own facts which are not generally truth![/quote]

You really do have problems when the facts go against you, don't you, Mort?  You dislike it when your side of politics is discovered doing something bad.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you know the solution?  Demand you side of politics to clean up their acts.  If you do that then the Left will have to as well.


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[quote]It is not part of their wage, it is an investment by the employer.  Strange concept that an employer might care about his employees' welfare but that is how it works downunder.  Perhaps you might re-orientate your moral compass and think about your fellow man for a change?

I understand the concept, if you keep the slaves healthy they can stay in the fields and work.

"If an employer is required to pay the entire insurance for the employee its cost will be part of the wage. The cost of employees is much higher than the statement on their pay check. Considering the total cost for an employee may be as much as double what is seen as a wage. Benefits can be very expensive and the employer needs a way to recover the cost!"

There is a "market price" for everything in business including wages. The bottom line for employees isn't how much is in their pay envelope, it is how much including all benefits and expenses those employees cost the employer. Social Security is a system that guarantees a supplemental income but was never created to replace a retirement account. For every dollar an employee pays into the system, the employer pays an equal amount for the employee. If benefits are included, pro-rate the expense to the hourly wage and it may cost 50% more. When the book keeper does their job the employees are an expense just like fuel, materials, interest on a business loan and government permits. That isn't dehumanizing, it is the reality that a worker must be worthy of his hire! It isn't charity![/quote]

So what is the problem with the employer paying for health care for the employee, Mort?   ::) ::)

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2023 at 10:56pm:

Quote: Oh, I believe we should be giving people a "hand up" out of poverty, Mort, most definitely.  I just do not believe in condemning people because they receive welfare like you and most conservatives do.  You seem to blame people for circumstances beyond their control.  It isn't their fault that they are made unemployed, yet you seem to condemn them for it.  They deserve help to get them out of their predicament rather than condemnation. Those people being supported by the Tax Payers need to be held to a higher standard of need. It is far too easy to get on the dole and the main reason for it is to create a culture of dependence on government. Just because someone feels entitled or is just bone ass lazy doesn't make them deserving of a piece of the income of others. We need to help the physically and mentally handicapped, they deserve our charity. The able bodied need to starve if they will not help themselves. Excuses, Excuses, Excuses. [quote]Downunder, we experience only right-wing news, in the main, all owned by one owner, Rupert Murdock.  He dominates the media landscape downunder.  You'd be happy reading only right-wing news.  Thankfully we have the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Company) and SBS (Special Broadcasting Service) as alternatives, plus of course the Gruinard (Guardian).  Of course you'd more than likely would prefer the extreme Right-wing sites like Sky News, owned also by Rupert.   Thankfully we don't have anything as stupid as Breitbart or Fox News here.

I read todays ABC Australian and it seemed pretty neutral about reporting stories unlike the Sydney Morning Herald. Our Media is mostly slanted and obvious opinion passed off as news stories.


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They are it seems, in the US from our perspective.  After all, you elected ex-el-Presidente Trump.  The only twice impeached ex-el-Presidente.

What was President Trump impeached for? Threatening to drain the Swamp! Every few days we see more democrats in government being found to have lied or ignored the truth for their political gain. If you really cared about corruption in American politics it is busting out all over with the criminals currently running our government! The Left wishes it had a fraction of the Biden's scandal's to  blame on Trump family members! Stolen Valor Richard Blumenthal, Congressman Eric Swalwell and Fang Fang, Paul Pelosi and his gay lovers. The list is huge if anyone wanted to pursue it.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bias-by-omission-2021

Free health care at work?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-02/productivity-commission-data-shows-emergency-wait-times-growing/101918206

Google or search engine of your choice, democrat scandals ignored by the media.[/quote]



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What was President Trump impeached for? Threatening to drain the Swamp!

No Trump is the base of the swamp himself - He was never going to harm his swamp.

There were 2 impeachments of Trump the first was related to him running an extortion ring out of the oval office, he also got an award for the most creative uses of the oval office in many millennium or should than be Melania.

The second was for running an insurrection. people died. Really nasty little event that he organised.

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Sounds to me, that you are blaming the victim in this for deciding to survive in a system that is inherently corrupt.  Your society created the system, so why blame the man for using it?

The man we speak of is not a victim, he is a parasite. If his low wage earning wife were to demand  he support his family it would happen. He will work when it suits him and the pay is unreported to the IRS. Everyone can choose how they allow themselves to be treated and how they treat others unless they are forced by government to do otherwise. The private sector isn't corrupt, government interference is. A government that requires hiring employees based on race, sex or sexual orientation rather than merit!


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You really do have problems when the facts go against you, don't you, Mort?  You dislike it when your side of politics is discovered doing something bad.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you know the solution?  Demand you side of politics to clean up their acts.  If you do that then the Left will have to as well.

You are so sure your opinions are facts that no other side can be correct. My side needs to get down and dirty with the Left and do everything legal to hold them to account and stop acting like an abused spouse!


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So what is the problem with the employer paying for health care for the employee

Almost half of the employed work for small businesses and forcing a wage that the business can't support will result in fewer jobs. The answer to raising the minimum wage is automation, business needs to replace workers with machines so it can afford to pay the remaining workers more. Simple economics, putting the App on your phone has changed the entire fast food industry. Use a Kiosk rather than talk to a person when ordering meals. Don't forget self checkout and scan and go. Last Summer in London we had Lunch at a restaurant without wait staff. The Greeter seated customers, a bar code was on the menu and payment options listed. The cook delivered our meal. A necessary solution to increased cost for employees. I don't want people taken advantage of but no one has a "Right" to force others to pay them what they think they are worth!

Frank wrote on Feb 10^th, 2023 at 10:47pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 2nd, 2023 at 4:55pm: Frank wrote on Feb 2nd, 2023 at 2:15pm: You are talking utter crap, as usual, spineles disgrace.  With your every wheezing breath it's just more smug, spineless vanity and despicable lies. er, Frank, that's not debate, you could start with "it's not their fault if they become unemployed" (due to circum- stances beyond their control (like the black stockmen  laid off by racist ranchers when the equal pay legislation was passed). Nyack Middle School in New York apologised for serving an ‘inexcusably insensitive’ lunch of fried chicken and watermelon on the first day of Black History Month. Wacist fud.

Did they? If no one informed the children to be offended they would have enjoyed their meal! I like watermelon and if it were part of my meal that would be a good thing. The problem might be that there was not enough watermelon.

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 11^th, 2023 at 9:36pm:

The man we speak of is not a victim, he is a parasite. If his low wage earning wife were to demand  he support his family it would happen. He will work when it suits him and the pay is unreported to the IRS.

https://pavlina-tcherneva.net/the-case-for-a-job-guarantee/

"One of the most enduring ideas in economics is that unemployment is both unavoidable and necessary for the smooth functioning of the economy. This assumption has provided cover for the devastating social and economic costs of job insecurity. It is also false".

and btw, all wages have to be reported to the IRS. 


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Everyone can choose how they allow themselves to be treated and how they treat others unless they are forced by government to do otherwise. The private sector isn't corrupt, government interference is.

 

Wow...sheer unadulterated Conservative ideological nonsense....an exclusively non-corrupt private sector:-)


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A government that requires hiring employees based on race, sex or sexual orientation rather than merit!

You are on more solid ground here....if such govt. requirements exist.


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Almost half of the employed work for small businesses and forcing a wage that the business can't support will result in fewer jobs.

So obviously funding health care costs should be a government responsibility.


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The answer to raising the minimum wage is automation, business needs to replace workers with machines so it can afford to pay the remaining workers more. Simple economics, putting the App on your phone has changed the entire fast food industry. Use a Kiosk rather than talk to a person when ordering meals. Don't forget self checkout and scan and go. Last Summer in London we had Lunch at a restaurant without wait staff. The Greeter seated customers, a bar code was on the menu and payment options listed. The cook delivered our meal. A necessary solution to increased cost for employees. I don't want people taken advantage of but no one has a "Right" to force others to pay them what they think they are worth!

So government will need to be employer of last resort, if the private sector can't afford to pay a living wage to non-robots (see the JG link above).

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and btw, all wages have to be reported to the IRS

The IRS wants all income reported however payment in cash or goods and services leave no paper trail.


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Wow...sheer unadulterated Conservative ideological nonsense....an exclusively non-corrupt private sector:-)

Private sector corruption generally involves government rules and regulations. If it doesn't give the customer what it wants as well as satisfy the greed of government it fails!

Just last Week our current fake president has suggested that when construction of any type happens in a predominately minority area the construction companies be required to employ people of the same background. It can't all be diversity and inclusion, someone needs to have the skills to perform the work.


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So obviously funding health care costs should be a government responsibility.

Just how much health care does the average person need? At one point medical savings accounts were considered. After a year any unused money set aside for medical needs were returned or credited for future premiums. The idea seems to have faded away.


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So government will need to be employer of last resort, if the private sector can't afford to pay a living wage to non-robots (see the JG link above).

Government employment pays much better than the private sector. On average twice as much. People receive a living wage by making themselves more valuable to an employer, no one is entitled to what they think their labor is worth!

The Great Reset is Really Great Resentment
Bottled up fury over failed utopian schemes.
March 1, 2023 by Alan Korwin

This fairly new thing, the so-called “great reset,” is more than the political left acting out their bottled-up fury at successes of the land in which they find themselves. Infuriated at how well freedom is working—the opulence, scientific and technological achievements, personal advancements at every level—even for the “downtrodden” compared to the rest of the world—they grouse. They can see (and deny) how poorly socialist utopian schemes they hold dear are doing. Like spoiled brats they nihilistically seek to overturn everything about this nation that is good and decent and pure.

America is in mortal danger from this actual mass psychosis afflicting so many of our countrymen. The psychiatric community calls it mass formation, a term and effect worth studying if you haven’t. The most striking modern example of course was in Germany before WWII, but communist China soon afterwards under the brutal dictator Mao Tse-dung wasn’t far behind. Pol Pot in Vietnam set new standards of depravity and evil, with popular support. Our own witch hunts in New England soon after we achieved independence were a similar thing—hysteria that knows no controls.

Words Are the Key

Using principles learned from Russian, Chinese and North Vietnamese communists, along with George Orwell, whose 1949 dystopian novel 1984 spelled it out with chilling clarity, leftists understand that whoever controls our language controls us. That battle is on. An entire generation of Newthink terms have entered the public mind, infiltrated newsrooms and classrooms everywhere, and threaten our health and liberty.

It boggles the mind how easily that disease has spread. People at the vaunted Associated Press have picked up the gauntlet, and what used to be a descriptive guide for journalists, like a dictionary, the AP Stylebook has become a proscriptive mandate. It now dictates which terms are acceptable and which must be cast aside as intolerant, offensive, biased and other inaccurate derogatory slurs.

It’s not like this sprang upon us unannounced or unnoticed. As early as 1962, the earth-shaking film Manchurian Candidate, directed by John Frankenheimer, woke this nation up to the effective perniciousness of “commie” brainwashing, a tool used to implement Newthink. That was based on Richard Condon’s 1959 novel of the same name, at the height of the Cold War, filled with gut-level fears many of us still viscerally recall. Those forces have been bubbling under and metastasizing since then.

America’s consciousness of this grew in a quantum leap, especially in the enormously influential Second Amendment community with the development and release in the year 2000 of The Politically Corrected Glossary, published by Bloomfield Press, https://www.gunlaws.com/politicallycorrect.htm. It changed some dialog and terminology, jump-starting reassessments, but the powerful mainstream media steamed right ahead regardless. The terribly sexist slur, gunman, appears constantly instead of killer, murderer or even criminal. Inanimate wholesome products like pistols or sidearms became fearsome semi-automatic handguns, which anti-gun forces publicly acknowledged misleads many into thinking machinegun.

To this day, despite constant complaints, reports call mass murderers “shooters,” denigrating 100 million American shooters who shoot for fun, sport and safety. Simultaneously, this linguistic trick avoids casting any shade on the criminal psychopaths who murder innocent people by the thousands annually. Those culprits are further protected by prosecutors and a judiciary that often avoids going after the perps, a shortening of perpetrators, now also frowned upon by the great resetters.

Assault is a type of behavior, not a type of hardware, outlawed everywhere under multiple laws, as it should be. That does little to stop resetters from attaching assault to weapon, so effective in turning the public against household firearms, the commonly used kind you’ll find in millions of American homes. The U.S. Supreme Court affirmed that the Second Amendment holds extra special protection for such household arms in common use, a point leftists treat with disdain.

Those usual suspects—Marxist socialist democrats and other malfeasants—are actively pushing the overhaul of our language—and our freedoms. Tough to admit, but they’re pretty good at it. You may not even know you’ve been snookered, it’s so subtle and easy to miss. That’s what makes it so effective. Merely declaring yourself pro gun plays into their hands. How? Because they’ve cast guns as horrific instruments of the devil. If you say you’re pro gun you practically are the devil, to their addled minds. Try instead thinking of yourself as pro rights, a term they avoid, because if that’s you, what are they? Anti rights, which is pure truth on a platter, intolerable to them, and now you’re catching on.

Some Basic Questions Democrats Can’t (Or Won’t) Answer
But the answers are obvious.
March 1, 2023 by Derek Hunter

Remember science? Not the way it is now with the absolute obedience to progressive politics over evidence and common sense, but the way it was back when you were a kid and science was the embraced questioning of everything; remember that? Questioning is no longer allowed, unless it’s of your sexuality after being inundated with left-wing propaganda about how being gender non-binary is not only somehow enlightened, but a real thing. It is not. Most, in fact, of what Democrats inflict on the world are not real things, and even though questioning is no longer acceptable, I have some questions I’m going to ask anyway.

On “climate change” I have to ask how it is we’re supposed to take you seriously when nothing you’ve predicted has come to pass? We’re well past 30 years of 10-year predictions of coastal flooding, yet Florida still exists. In fact, all the 10-year predictions of doom and gloom haven’t happened.

If you were the leader of a cult who told their followers the world would come to an end on Sunday, come Monday morning you’re going to have some serious explaining to do. With the climate change cult there is no similar question, all they’ve done is stop making 10-year predictions and now make 100-year predictions. This isn’t because the data they have is somehow more accurate the further away from its collection you go, it’s because everyone who heard the prediction will be dead when it doesn’t happen.

A 10-year prediction isn’t provable, but it will come to pass in most people’s life. A 100-year prediction isn’t provable, but it’s also not disprovable since it will be long forgotten by the time it doesn’t come to pass. It’s brilliant, actually, if your desire is to simply scare the hell out of people to force them to act. If you’re at all interested in the truth…less so.

So, if we haven’t acted on climate change and the “polluting” countries are still pumping out CO2 like it’s a sport, why haven’t your predictions come true? Why didn’t you try to save Barack Obama millions when he bought his mega-estate on Martha’s Vineyard?

On the trans issue, how did all of you lose every bit of life experience and knowledge you’d accumulated over your lifetime inside of about 15 minutes? You don’t really believe the person next to you at a urinal is a woman simply because they peek-a-boo their privates behind thigh fat, do you?

If trans women are every bit as much women and real women, why do they need the prefix “trans”? If trans women are real women why is it that zero straight elected Democrats have ever dated one? Wouldn’t Bill Clinton have gotten what he got from Monica from one by now? Wouldn’t Hunter Biden, who filmed himself having sex with what sure came off as human trafficked, forced prostitutes have filmed himself having sex with a tucked partner, if only by accident? When the chips are down it sure seems like Democrats do, in fact, know what a woman is. Why is that?

I know you think the LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ “community” are “marginalized” and, therefore, are in desperate need of coddling (bit of a white savior complex you have going), but the definition of the word “marginalized” is “placed in a position of little or no importance, influence, or power,” according to dictionary.com (at least until some leftist realizes that’s the definition and they order it changed). Why are the people who have all the protections of cancel culture, who are seemingly every third character on television, tenured academia, and a fascistic political party constantly policing speech on their side “marginalized”? Aren’t we normal people, the ones marginalized by being forced to deny reality?

On the border, I’ll make this quick: Why do you call illegal aliens “migrants”? “Migrants” migrate, it’s right there in their name. The millions of people flooding across the southern border at your invitation and urging aren’t planning on going anywhere; if they aren’t deported, they’ll never leave. They, therefore, are illegal aliens.

Words matter, or so you people who call everyone a bigot who refers to a guy in a dress as “he,” so why don’t they matter at the border? Migrants enter the country for specific work, generally the harvesting of crops, then go home after completion with their pay. Illegal aliens stay, avail themselves of our social safety net – clog emergency rooms, slow down the education process of American kids while costing the system an untold fortune, receive welfare benefits, etc. – and will never, short of a mega lottery win, be a net benefit to society, even if they were made legal.

I guess my question for you is how can people, unable to communicate in our language and largely illiterate in their own, ever contribute as much (forget more) than they take from our country? Why is the fact that their country sucks our responsibility? Shouldn’t they try to fix their own country rather than be allowed to be a drain on ours? And why do Democrats actively seek to implement in this country the very economic system they marched thousands of miles to escape? (That last one is a bit of a trick question, I know, because you’re convinced that, even though it never has anywhere it’s ever been tried, YOU will be the people to finally implement socialism/communism successfully. You won’t.)

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Norway: population 5 million, overwhelmingly Norwegians or other Scandis. No open borders, no mass immigration. Huge oil and gas exporter. Not nobbled by the EU. Constitutional monarchy.

Frank wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 1:39pm:

Norway: population 5 million, overwhelmingly Norwegians or other Scandis. No open borders, no mass immigration. Huge oil and gas exporter. Not nobbled by the EU. Constitutional monarchy.

no dutch

have you heard the saying

May you live in interesting times?

the USA sounds a lot more interesting then norway.

norway sounds like a good place for people who dont want to risk much, do much or be much.

chode heaven,

no wonder the left idolise such mediocrity

aquascoot wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 5:34pm:

have you heard the saying May you live in interesting times? the USA sounds a lot more interesting then norway. norway sounds like a good place for people who dont want to risk much, do much or be much. chode heaven, no wonder the left idolise such mediocrity

Oy!!

;D

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 12:33pm:

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Norway: population 5 million, overwhelmingly Norwegians or other Scandis. No open borders, no mass immigration. Huge oil and gas exporter. Not nobbled by the EU. Constitutional monarchy.

I hardly think comparing Norway to the US is useful. Norway requires a living wage as the minimum, so a small shop owner can't afford employees. He doesn't have the income to give employees two months off each year and pay them more then he could ever expect to make in his business. It makes me wonder if there are not exceptions to minimum wage laws there. Imagine Starbucks paying $50,000 a year for ten months of work for the kids that make your mocha frap. What would they need to charge for their coffee? I don't know about Norway but Canada has free health care and it is worth what you pay for it. The quality is poor and wait times for most tests and treatments is long. Better health care in Canada requires a supplemental policy.  Norway has a low crime rate because it has a homogeneous population. It has a high literacy rate and no large privileged group angry over injustices they never suffered!

Norway has the natural resources and low population making it possible to offer benefits paid with profits from exports.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 5:34pm:

have you heard the saying May you live in interesting times? the USA sounds a lot more interesting then norway. norway sounds like a good place for people who dont want to risk much, do much or be much. chode heaven, no wonder the left idolise such mediocrity

I don't see what is so attractive about aiming at the bottom.

aquascoot wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 5:34pm:

have you heard the saying May you live in interesting times? the USA sounds a lot more interesting then norway. norway sounds like a good place for people who dont want to risk much, do much or be much. chode heaven, no wonder the left idolise such mediocrity

just as always, you show you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

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The United States has more international migrants than any other country. With nearly 51 million migrants in 2020, the U.S. leads the world on this measure by a wide margin. Germany has the next-largest such population with about 15.8 million migrants, followed by Saudi Arabia with 13.5 million. (For the U.S., the UN counts some people living in the 50 states or the District of Columbia as international migrants even if they were born in Puerto Rico or other U.S. territories; those born in Puerto Rico and other U.S. territories are U.S. citizens at birth.)

The USA is still the #1 preferred destination of the world's immigrants since the 1970's, with Germany being a distant 2^nd......this while the USA has the lowest migration rates to other destinations around the world. Also note that most of the immigrants that emigrate to the USA tend to stay in the USA. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/05/18/5-facts-about-the-u-s-rank-in-worldwide-migration/



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John Smith wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 6:03am:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 5:34pm: have you heard the saying May you live in interesting times? the USA sounds a lot more interesting then norway. norway sounds like a good place for people who dont want to risk much, do much or be much. chode heaven, no wonder the left idolise such mediocrity just as always, you show you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

You are a tough judge sir.

Aqua's process is absolutely valid on the right. Knowing what you are talking about is not a prerequisite. In fact it isn't even encouraged and only used occasionally for pure shock value.

They do have significant knowledge about Dr Seuss and the Green M&M and you may find a valuable stock of knowledge on these types of topics.

We may soon need to play some catch-up on the woke re write to the original Ian Fleming - James Bond text. The woke corporate capitalist executives want to remove things like the "N" word from the 1950's tome (shhh don't tell anyone and save us some crocodiles). Aqua's corporate woke experience may turn out to be invaluable.

I am looking forward to his coming publication on the topic: '007 The dry Martini with Green eggs and Ham'

Panther wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 8:54am:

.. Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/12/16/key-facts-about-recent-trends-in-global-migration/ Quote: The United States has more international migrants than any other country. With nearly 51 million migrants in 2020, the U.S. leads the world on this measure by a wide margin. Germany has the next-largest such population with about 15.8 million migrants, followed by Saudi Arabia with 13.5 million. (For the U.S., the UN counts some people living in the 50 states or the District of Columbia as international migrants even if they were born in Puerto Rico or other U.S. territories; those born in Puerto Rico and other U.S. territories are U.S. citizens at birth.) The USA is still the #1 preferred destination of the world's immigrants since the 1970's, with Germany being a distant 2nd......this while the USA has the lowest migration rates to other destinations around the world. Also note that most of the immigrants that emigrate to the USA tend to stay in the USA. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/05/18/5-facts-about-the-u-s-rank-in-worldwide-migration/ God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............God Bless AMERICA............

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Once is often enough - incases like this it often may be too much.

We don't need it twice, Does it mean anything ?

Dnarever wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 9:58am:

Once is often enough - incases like this it often may be too much. We don't need it twice, Does it mean anything ?

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Panther... maaaaaaaaaaaaate.  ;)
Can I borrow your gun?
I need to shoot a duck!

America: Land of the Eagle and the 'bird'. ;D

Jasin wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 10:54am:

Panther... maaaaaaaaaaaaate.  ;) Can I borrow your gun? I need to shoot a duck! America: Land of the Eagle and the 'bird'. ;D

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Panther wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 10:30am:

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I'll take that as a no.

*chic chic Boom!

Jasin wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 12:16pm:

*chic chic Boom!

Do you play your 'chic chic' on the high hats (traditional), snare or like us do you have a really nice trashy splash cymbal ?

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Dnarever wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 12:26pm:

Jasin wrote on Mar 3rd, 2023 at 12:16pm: *chic chic Boom! Do you play your 'chic chic' on the high hats (traditional), snare or like us do you have a really nice trashy splash cymbal ?

Don't quack with your bill on the back of your head. ;D

Mortdooley wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 12:33pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/310/EmXXPw.jpg ::) ::) Quote: Norway: population 5 million, overwhelmingly Norwegians or other Scandis. No open borders, no mass immigration. Huge oil and gas exporter. Not nobbled by the EU. Constitutional monarchy. I hardly think comparing Norway to the US is useful. Norway requires a living wage as the minimum, so a small shop owner can't afford employees. He doesn't have the income to give employees two months off each year and pay them more then he could ever expect to make in his business. It makes me wonder if there are not exceptions to minimum wage laws there. Imagine Starbucks paying $50,000 a year for ten months of work for the kids that make your mocha frap. What would they need to charge for their coffee? I don't know about Norway but Canada has free health care and it is worth what you pay for it. The quality is poor and wait times for most tests and treatments is long. Better health care in Canada requires a supplemental policy.  Norway has a low crime rate because it has a homogeneous population. It has a high literacy rate and no large privileged group angry over injustices they never suffered! Norway has the natural resources and low population making it possible to offer benefits paid with profits from exports.

If you lived in Australia instead of Norway, you would:

HEALTH
be 25.5% more likely to be obese.  In Norway, 23.1% of adults are obese as of 2016. In Australia, that number is 29.0% of people as of 2016.

ECONOMY
make 23.4% less money. Norway has a GDP per capita of $63,600 as of 2020, while in Australia, the GDP per capita is $48,700 as of 2020.

be 38.7% more likely to be unemployed. In Norway, 3.7% of adults are unemployed as of 2019. In Australia, that number is 5.2% as of 2019.

pay a 16.8% higher top tax rate. Norway has a top tax rate of 38.5% as of 2017. In Australia, the top tax rate is 45.0% as of 2016.

LIFE
be 3.0 times more likely to die during childbirth. In Norway, approximately 2.0 women per 100,000 births die during labor as of 2017. In Australia, 6.0 women do as of 2017.

be 30.3% more likely to die during infancy. In Norway, approximately 2.3 children (per 1,000 live births) die before they reach the age of one as of 2022. In Australia, on the other hand, 3.0 children do as of 2022.

EXPENDITURES
spend 32.9% less on education. Norway spends 7.6% of its total GDP on education as of 2018. Australia spends 5.1% of total GDP on education as of 2018.

If Leftists Hate America So Much, Why Don't They Leave?
By D. Parker

Why aren't the fascist far-left leaving the country they loathe?

People usually don't try to transform and then destroy that which they love, so why aren't they just leaving?

These days, the Babylon Bee has the range, and it's putting its rhetorical rounds right on target.  Now it's just firing for effect, from a story about a man catching up on the latest news by reading two-year-old posts on a conspiracy blog to a satirical report from a few years ago about a group of leftists heading for the Socialist Paradise of Venezuela. 

It brings up a point you might have been asking yourself for quite some time: why aren't they leaving?  Why haven't the authoritarians of the fascist far left packed their bags and set off for greener collectivist fields, leaving the rest of us alone?

Why are the tyrannical ten percent sticking around when it's nothing like their authoritarian floor model, the big shiny communist nation of China, with its "socialism with Chinese characteristics" that they love?

How can they stomach dealing with a nation where people are just allowed to say or write whatever they want and defend themselves with — dare we say it — guns?  How do they live in a nation where people are just allowed to have gas stoves, lawnmowers, and chainsaws?  Where the government in its infinite wisdom cannot penalize the people for wrongthink?  Where all of that liberty-induced stress puts a strain on their already fragile psyches?

Why are they still here when they could move to perfect examples of the Utopia (that means "no place") that they want to impose on us that already exist around the world?  They pine for the "worker's paradise" perfection that was national socialist Germany, the USSR, Cuba, Venezuela, and communist China, yet they are still here, complaining that we're not properly suffering as they are in those nations.

Perhaps if they don't know their feelings for the country, we can help them with our second point.  Maybe they're under the false impression that they are being "patriotic" and fostering "progress."  They are entirely incorrect in this impression. Destroying a country has never been considered to be "patriotic."  We'll lay out a partial case to illustrate the point.

It'll be a partial case because we don't have the space to detail all of what Team Wrecking Ball has done to the country.  They started out destroying our energy independence, inflated the currency to screw the middle class, threw open the border to an illegal invasion, actively worked to weaken the nation, and divided it by race and other immutable characteristics.   

Then we have foreign policy debacles, epitomized by the disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal.  They fascistically have the government collude with Big Tech to suppress free speech and freedom of the press, while they obsess day and night over new ways of confiscating guns and depriving the people of their commonsense civil rights.

This doesn't even begin talking about how they lie with language to make normal weather events seem more severe or crime the fault of inanimate objects.  Or how they are actively working to weaken the country by depleting our Strategic Petroleum Reserve and sending unending piles of cash overseas, unaccountable to anyone.  Who knows what else they have in store for us?

Every roll of the dice is against our best interest, against our people, and against our commonsense civil rights.  Even blind luck would have something come out in our favor once in a while, but nothing ever does.  It's not that we're questioning their patriotism, because they would need to show patriotism before it could be questioned.

All of this is just touching the surface.  It raises the question: what would they be doing differently if they wanted a different outcome?  How is all of this supposed to magically transform the country into something better?

Can anyone figure out how having the country overrun with an illegal invasion, overdosed on fentanyl, weakened by energy dependence on unreliable energy sources, divided so we are fighting with one another, having our basic civil liberties destroyed, and beset by a myriad of other self-inflicted wounds supposed to foster "Progress"?  We don't see it, so where is their "patriotism"?

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/03/if_leftists_hate_america_so_much_why_dont_they_leave.html

Warning: satire to follow.

https://babylonbee.com/news/caravan-of-liberal-americans-makes-way-toward-socialist-paradise-of-venezuela

Frank wrote on Mar 4^th, 2023 at 12:21pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 9:49pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 12:33pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/310/EmXXPw.jpg ::) ::) Quote: Norway: population 5 million, overwhelmingly Norwegians or other Scandis. No open borders, no mass immigration. Huge oil and gas exporter. Not nobbled by the EU. Constitutional monarchy. I hardly think comparing Norway to the US is useful. Norway requires a living wage as the minimum, so a small shop owner can't afford employees. He doesn't have the income to give employees two months off each year and pay them more then he could ever expect to make in his business. It makes me wonder if there are not exceptions to minimum wage laws there. Imagine Starbucks paying $50,000 a year for ten months of work for the kids that make your mocha frap. What would they need to charge for their coffee? I don't know about Norway but Canada has free health care and it is worth what you pay for it. The quality is poor and wait times for most tests and treatments is long. Better health care in Canada requires a supplemental policy.  Norway has a low crime rate because it has a homogeneous population. It has a high literacy rate and no large privileged group angry over injustices they never suffered! Norway has the natural resources and low population making it possible to offer benefits paid with profits from exports. If you lived in Australia instead of Norway, you would: HEALTH be 25.5% more likely to be obese.  In Norway, 23.1% of adults are obese as of 2016. In Australia, that number is 29.0% of people as of 2016. ECONOMY make 23.4% less money. Norway has a GDP per capita of $63,600 as of 2020, while in Australia, the GDP per capita is $48,700 as of 2020. be 38.7% more likely to be unemployed. In Norway, 3.7% of adults are unemployed as of 2019. In Australia, that number is 5.2% as of 2019. pay a 16.8% higher top tax rate. Norway has a top tax rate of 38.5% as of 2017. In Australia, the top tax rate is 45.0% as of 2016. LIFE be 3.0 times more likely to die during childbirth. In Norway, approximately 2.0 women per 100,000 births die during labor as of 2017. In Australia, 6.0 women do as of 2017. be 30.3% more likely to die during infancy. In Norway, approximately 2.3 children (per 1,000 live births) die before they reach the age of one as of 2022. In Australia, on the other hand, 3.0 children do as of 2022. EXPENDITURES spend 32.9% less on education. Norway spends 7.6% of its total GDP on education as of 2018. Australia spends 5.1% of total GDP on education as of 2018.

Old boy, much as we appreciate your comparison to the jolly democratic socialist Mecca, Norway, can you add up your sums and get back to us?

Cheers.

Mortdooley wrote on Mar 8^th, 2023 at 8:48pm:

If Leftists Hate America So Much, Why Don't They Leave? By D. Parker Why aren't the fascist far-left leaving the country they loathe? People usually don't try to transform and then destroy that which they love, so why aren't they just leaving? These days, the Babylon Bee has the range, and it's putting its rhetorical rounds right on target.  Now it's just firing for effect, from a story about a man catching up on the latest news by reading two-year-old posts on a conspiracy blog to a satirical report from a few years ago about a group of leftists heading for the Socialist Paradise of Venezuela.  It brings up a point you might have been asking yourself for quite some time: why aren't they leaving?  Why haven't the authoritarians of the fascist far left packed their bags and set off for greener collectivist fields, leaving the rest of us alone? Why are the tyrannical ten percent sticking around when it's nothing like their authoritarian floor model, the big shiny communist nation of China, with its "socialism with Chinese characteristics" that they love? How can they stomach dealing with a nation where people are just allowed to say or write whatever they want and defend themselves with — dare we say it — guns?  How do they live in a nation where people are just allowed to have gas stoves, lawnmowers, and chainsaws?  Where the government in its infinite wisdom cannot penalize the people for wrongthink?  Where all of that liberty-induced stress puts a strain on their already fragile psyches? Why are they still here when they could move to perfect examples of the Utopia (that means "no place") that they want to impose on us that already exist around the world?  They pine for the "worker's paradise" perfection that was national socialist Germany, the USSR, Cuba, Venezuela, and communist China, yet they are still here, complaining that we're not properly suffering as they are in those nations. Perhaps if they don't know their feelings for the country, we can help them with our second point.  Maybe they're under the false impression that they are being "patriotic" and fostering "progress."  They are entirely incorrect in this impression. Destroying a country has never been considered to be "patriotic."  We'll lay out a partial case to illustrate the point. It'll be a partial case because we don't have the space to detail all of what Team Wrecking Ball has done to the country.  They started out destroying our energy independence, inflated the currency to screw the middle class, threw open the border to an illegal invasion, actively worked to weaken the nation, and divided it by race and other immutable characteristics.    Then we have foreign policy debacles, epitomized by the disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal.  They fascistically have the government collude with Big Tech to suppress free speech and freedom of the press, while they obsess day and night over new ways of confiscating guns and depriving the people of their commonsense civil rights. This doesn't even begin talking about how they lie with language to make normal weather events seem more severe or crime the fault of inanimate objects.  Or how they are actively working to weaken the country by depleting our Strategic Petroleum Reserve and sending unending piles of cash overseas, unaccountable to anyone.  Who knows what else they have in store for us? Every roll of the dice is against our best interest, against our people, and against our commonsense civil rights.  Even blind luck would have something come out in our favor once in a while, but nothing ever does.  It's not that we're questioning their patriotism, because they would need to show patriotism before it could be questioned. All of this is just touching the surface.  It raises the question: what would they be doing differently if they wanted a different outcome?  How is all of this supposed to magically transform the country into something better? Can anyone figure out how having the country overrun with an illegal invasion, overdosed on fentanyl, weakened by energy dependence on unreliable energy sources, divided so we are fighting with one another, having our basic civil liberties destroyed, and beset by a myriad of other self-inflicted wounds supposed to foster "Progress"?  We don't see it, so where is their "patriotism"? https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/03/if_leftists_hate_america_so_much_why_dont_they_leave.html Warning: satire to follow. https://babylonbee.com/news/caravan-of-liberal-americans-makes-way-toward-socialist-paradise-of-venezuela

Why? Here's why.


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American dual citizenship taxes One of the downsides of having dual citizenship is that US citizens that live outside the USA will face double taxation. Double taxation here means that US citizens will need to pay taxes in two or more jurisdictions on the same income, financial transaction, or asset. If you are a citizen of the United States, your worldwide income is subject to US income tax, even though you may have residency in another country.

https://www.globalcitizensolutions.com/americans-dual-citizenship/

Hence why famous US citizens like your jolly Rupert Murdoch don't go back to where they came from.

You can keep them, Mort. We don't want them here.

March 13, 2023
Pathocracy and the Liberal Mind
By Philip Ahlrich

Pathocracy can be defined generally as a condition of government under psychopathic domination, one in which a sufficient number of psychologically defective personalities have organized to subjugate a vulnerable and passive citizenry.  Pathocratic systems are not at all uncommon in the world's history, but it is only now that we have developed the language and the methods of analysis by which to identify them.  They are known to arise from dogmatic and extreme forms of political ideology, often within well-ordered democratic systems, and evolve rapidly without correction towards hybrid forms of despotism.

After all the destructive conflicts of the 20th century, it would seem impossible that the barren seeds of a collective political psychosis could take root and flourish again in the modern world.  But within two years of the Biden presidency, we have become aware of the same deep-running pathology emerging from the psychological bacteria that thrive and multiply in toxic liberal environments.  Liberalism has abandoned its original defense of the principle of individual freedom and become one of those degenerative closed systems of thinking and behavior that allow for the accumulation of pathogenic material within them.

The liberal mind is highly susceptible to pathogenic suggestion.  It is the last and perhaps most dangerous of the unlit caverns remaining to science regarding the psychology of radical conformist movements that contribute to the ideological colonization and overthrow of democratic systems.  An organized search of its vast holding of intellectual deformities will yield countless volumes in the study of intelligence gone wrong.  The liberal mind is Jung's concept of a "collective unconscious" presenting to the world, in its unrestrained egotism and denial of psychological reality, the troubled mind of a psychopath.

Regardless of the strong or weak potential for evil in psychopathic personalities, all psychopaths are deceivers who must lie to hide their personalities and intentions.  Their deception is a survival tactic in societies that have learned to distrust them and to fear their pursuit of domination.  Psychopaths in turn regard the conventions protecting society from their egotism as discriminatory, repressive, and unjust.  Their ideal world would not be drawn from the great book of human understanding but from the erasure of those laws and customs that have successfully limited their influence.  Their world would be one of "social justice."

Psychopaths find purpose in their sense of difference from others, in the certainty of their superiority, and in their ability to deceive, manipulate, and hurt.  The normal personality has a choice as to whether or not to harm someone else, but psychopaths do not have that choice.  They lack the empathy or the conscience necessary to care for the happiness and wellbeing of others.  Their complete indifference towards those close to them is their power, and that power is of the nature of evil.  Psychiatry typically encounters evil in a broad range of personality disorders and prescribes treatment on an individual basis, as each case presents unique features; but when these same disorders emerge collectively at the macrosocial level through the influence of social media and organized political activity, clinical study has yet to be attempted.

When psychologically defective personalities acquire the power of direct communication with a vast audience along with the ability to control public opinion, their thought-ending virus spreads quickly throughout social networks.  If evil is to triumph in our nation's political affairs, its ministers need only the means of limiting the flow of information available to the public.  The ignorant should be ruled by the informed, for that is the purpose of government, they tell us, and it remains for liberal news organizations to keep the people in a reliable state of ignorance.  The authoritarianism this enables is beyond question.  "Democracy Dies in Darkness," according to the Washington Post's deliberately ambiguous motto, which seems to read superficially as a general caution against tyranny but which functions in ministerial code as a daily reminder and general order to all liberal news organizations to extinguish any lights that may shine upon the plain truth of the Left's totalitarian ambitions.  Conservatives may own the stronger argument, but liberals own the media.

What we do not know about the evil of pathocratic domination in the modern era will hurt us.  A pathocracy, once established, cannot pause in its progression through the institutions of democracy and like a cancer, it can only perish with the host on which it feeds.  An enlightened citizenry is the only cure for the political evil that now informs liberal culture.  But the moment we cease to learn, we become stupid.  It is the most crucial of obligations to our common humanity: to learn, to understand, to participate in the essential flow and exchange of knowledge.  Knowledge is the only way out of the traps and cages of compulsory thinking that the ideologues have prepared for us.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/03/pathocracy_and_the_liberal_mind.html

aquascoot wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 5:34pm:

have you heard the saying May you live in interesting times? the USA sounds a lot more interesting then norway.

The US has the greatest number of gun deaths than any other 1st world nation, definitely "interesting" - but not admirable...


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norway sounds like a good place for people who dont want to risk much, do much or be much. chode heaven, no wonder the left idolise such mediocrity

Ah... this from a 'freedom or death' RW deplorable. Go figure.

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 19^th, 2023 at 11:42am:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 5:34pm: have you heard the saying May you live in interesting times? the USA sounds a lot more interesting then norway. The US has the greatest number of gun deaths than any other 1st world nation, definitely "interesting" - but not admirable...

FMD you’re STILL here posting utter misinformation and next level BS 😐

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 19^th, 2023 at 11:53am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 19th, 2023 at 11:42am: aquascoot wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 5:34pm: have you heard the saying May you live in interesting times? the USA sounds a lot more interesting then norway. The US has the greatest number of gun deaths than any other 1st world nation, definitely "interesting" - but not admirable... FMD you’re STILL here posting utter misinformation and next level BS 😐

According to the World Population Review website, Great Divide is correct:


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Brazil — 49,436     United States — 37,038     Venezuela — 28,515     Mexico — 22,116     India — 14,710     Colombia — 13,169     Philippines — 9,267     Guatemala — 5,980

The USA is the only "1st world nation" on that list.  It has the second highest number by total.  Lisa as usual you have been shown to be full of bullshit. 

Oh, and simply because I've chosen to answer for Great Divide doesn't mean I am Great Divide.  Don't let your paranoia get the better of you.  How are your questions of Freediver going, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Vlaka! Stop sharing fake multi ids!

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world

Gun violence deaths: How the U.S. compares with the rest of the world

Updated January 24, 202

The U.S. has the 32nd-highest rate of deaths from gun violence in the world: 3.96 deaths per 100,000 people in 2019. That was more than eight times as high as the rate in Canada, which had 0.47 deaths per 100,000 people — and nearly 100 times higher than in the United Kingdom, which had 0.04 deaths per 100,000.

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 19^th, 2023 at 3:23pm:

Vlaka! Stop sharing fake multi ids! https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world Gun violence deaths: How the U.S. compares with the rest of the world Updated January 24, 202 The U.S. has the 32nd-highest rate of deaths from gun violence in the world: 3.96 deaths per 100,000 people in 2019. That was more than eight times as high as the rate in Canada, which had 0.47 deaths per 100,000 people — and nearly 100 times higher than in the United Kingdom, which had 0.04 deaths per 100,000.

Dear Lisa, did you read your own quote?

The US typically has  c. 8 to 100 times the rate of gun deaths as other first world countries eg the ones  mentioned: ie Canada and the UK, respectively. 

You need a math lesson?

eg,

3.96 (US)  is 8 times 0.47 (Canada), and c. 100 times 0.04 (UK)

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 19^th, 2023 at 3:23pm:

Vlaka! Stop sharing fake multi ids! https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world Gun violence deaths: How the U.S. compares with the rest of the world Updated January 24, 202 The U.S. has the 32nd-highest rate of deaths from gun violence in the world: 3.96 deaths per 100,000 people in 2019. That was more than eight times as high as the rate in Canada, which had 0.47 deaths per 100,000 people — and nearly 100 times higher than in the United Kingdom, which had 0.04 deaths per 100,000.

Interesting, you don't give a reference for that "factoid", Larry, unlike me who does.  Funny that, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 19^th, 2023 at 12:20pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 19th, 2023 at 11:53am: thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 19th, 2023 at 11:42am: aquascoot wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 5:34pm: have you heard the saying May you live in interesting times? the USA sounds a lot more interesting then norway. The US has the greatest number of gun deaths than any other 1st world nation, definitely "interesting" - but not admirable... FMD you’re STILL here posting utter misinformation and next level BS 😐 According to the World Population Review website, Great Divide is correct: Quote:     Brazil — 49,436     United States — 37,038     Venezuela — 28,515     Mexico — 22,116     India — 14,710     Colombia — 13,169     Philippines — 9,267     Guatemala — 5,980 The USA is the only "1st world nation" on that list.

... overwhelmed by third worlders before our very eyes.

Gun crime in the US is tinted crime, mostly blacks and Latinos, arabs, Indians and other deeply sinister tanned demographics.

It's not the Scandi grandmothers duking it out with the fifth generation English or Germans.i

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Young Black men and teens made up more than a third of firearm homicide victims in the USA in 2019, one of several disparities revealed in a review of gun mortality data released Tuesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The analysis, titled "A Public Health Crisis in the Making," found that although Black men and boys ages 15 to 34 make up just 2% of the nation's population, they were among 37% of gun homicides that year. That's 20 times higher than white males of the same age group. Of all reported firearm homicides in 2019, more than half of victims were Black men, according to the study spearheaded by the Educational Fund to Stop Gun Violence and the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence. Sixty-three percent of male victims were Black.

Our White Christen men are the best armed and are not the problem. It's the thug in possession of one illegally owned firearm, I'm not giving anything up to make you pansies feel better. Two percent of the population is responsible for over fifty percent of the homicides and most of the rest are caused by another so called minority group. This isn't a problem that will be fixed by interfering with my Rights. Mort has a little gun he carries in his pocket, let's take it away and make the World a safer place. Maybe you think it constitutes a potentially hustle work environment for criminals. I have a big old one finger salute for you if you think so!

Mortdooley wrote on Mar 19^th, 2023 at 9:21pm:

"Young Black men and teens made up more than a third of firearm homicide victims in the USA in 2019, one of several disparities revealed in a review of gun mortality data released Tuesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The analysis, titled "A Public Health Crisis in the Making," found that although Black men and boys ages 15 to 34 make up just 2% of the nation's population, they were among 37% of gun homicides that year. That's 20 times higher than white males of the same age group. Of all reported firearm homicides in 2019, more than half of victims were Black men, according to the study spearheaded by the Educational Fund to Stop Gun Violence and the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence. Sixty-three percent of male victims were Black".

One third of gun homicides?

That leaves 2/3rds who were not 'black men and boys aged 15-34'.


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Our White Christen men are the best armed and are not the problem.

Your own figures say differently.

But as to the higher rates among blacks, that's the result of a dysfunctional market economy which entrenches higher unemployment and poverty rates among blacks.

To wit:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrmkbquaYAEIuN4?format=jpg&name=large

Hence:

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-us-gun-violence-world-comparison/?leadSource=uverify%20wall

Gun Violence in the US Far Exceeds Levels in Other Rich Nations

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 19^th, 2023 at 7:44pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 19th, 2023 at 3:23pm: Vlaka! Stop sharing fake multi ids! https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world Gun violence deaths: How the U.S. compares with the rest of the world Updated January 24, 2023 The U.S. has the 32nd-highest rate of deaths from gun violence in the world: 3.96 deaths per 100,000 people in 2019. That was more than eight times as high as the rate in Canada, which had 0.47 deaths per 100,000 people — and nearly 100 times higher than in the United Kingdom, which had 0.04 deaths per 100,000. Interesting, you don't give a reference for that "factoid", Larry, unlike me who does.  Funny that, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

NOT SURE WTF LARRY IS BUT I CERTAINLY DID POST THE REFERENCE/LINK YOU TOSSPOT

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 9:28am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 19th, 2023 at 7:44pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 19th, 2023 at 3:23pm: Vlaka! Stop sharing fake multi ids! https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world Gun violence deaths: How the U.S. compares with the rest of the world Updated January 24, 2023 The U.S. has the 32nd-highest rate of deaths from gun violence in the world: 3.96 deaths per 100,000 people in 2019. That was more than eight times as high as the rate in Canada, which had 0.47 deaths per 100,000 people — and nearly 100 times higher than in the United Kingdom, which had 0.04 deaths per 100,000. Interesting, you don't give a reference for that "factoid", Larry, unlike me who does.  Funny that, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) NOT SURE WTF LARRY IS BUT I CERTAINLY DID POST THE REFERENCE/LINK YOU TOSSPOT

So, you did, but you put it at the head of your post, rather than the end, which is where traditionally links are placed.  I'll pay you that, Larry, I apologise.  Your link is for 2019, whereas mine is for 2023, which postdates yours by several years.  Moreover yours is per 100,000 where as mine is for absolute numbers.  I prefer to deal in absolute numbers.  Now instead of relying on a newsite, how about relying on a statistical website?  I won't respond to your usual resort to ad hominem insults, Larry all it demonstrates is your childishness.  How are you going with your inquiries to Freediver?  Prepared to apologise for your paranoia?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 19^th, 2023 at 7:44pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 19th, 2023 at 3:23pm: Vlaka! Stop sharing fake multi ids! https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world Gun violence deaths: How the U.S. compares with the rest of the world Updated January 24, 202 The U.S. has the 32nd-highest rate of deaths from gun violence in the world: 3.96 deaths per 100,000 people in 2019. That was more than eight times as high as the rate in Canada, which had 0.47 deaths per 100,000 people — and nearly 100 times higher than in the United Kingdom, which had 0.04 deaths per 100,000. Interesting, you don't give a reference for that "factoid", Larry, unlike me who does.  Funny that, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

You are blind as well as an idiot, cockwomble.

Hi, F A T Frank.

How have you been?

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 12:23pm:

Moreover yours is per 100,000 where as mine is for absolute numbers.  I prefer to deal in absolute numbers.

  Why is that preferable, cockwomble? By that reckoning India is a richer country than Switzerland or Australia.

If Yanks want to arm themselves to kill eachother there is nothing that will stand in there way but sensible gun control and a willingness to ensure guns are restricted to those who are responsible, honest citizens who are prepared to accept responsability and reasonable gun controls to own and possess such weapons....More guns and less oversight will ensure more needless tradgedy and a growing problem that is not being addressed....Why can't the Yanks see they have a growing problem that is killing their people???

:-? :-? :-?

There is a mysterious cycle in human events. To some generations much is given. Of other generations much is expected. This generation of Americans has a rendezvous with destiny.
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1882 - 1945)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 12:23pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 20th, 2023 at 9:28am: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 19th, 2023 at 7:44pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 19th, 2023 at 3:23pm: Vlaka! Stop sharing fake multi ids! https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world Gun violence deaths: How the U.S. compares with the rest of the world Updated January 24, 2023 The U.S. has the 32nd-highest rate of deaths from gun violence in the world: 3.96 deaths per 100,000 people in 2019. That was more than eight times as high as the rate in Canada, which had 0.47 deaths per 100,000 people — and nearly 100 times higher than in the United Kingdom, which had 0.04 deaths per 100,000. Interesting, you don't give a reference for that "factoid", Larry, unlike me who does.  Funny that, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) NOT SURE WTF LARRY IS BUT I CERTAINLY DID POST THE REFERENCE/LINK YOU TOSSPOT So, you did, but you put it at the head of your post, rather than the end, which is where traditionally links are placed.

I’ll have you know that I can and will put my quotes in my posts wherever I damn well like.

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 20^th, 2023 at 10:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 20th, 2023 at 12:23pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 20th, 2023 at 9:28am: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 19th, 2023 at 7:44pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 19th, 2023 at 3:23pm: Vlaka! Stop sharing fake multi ids! https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/24/980838151/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world Gun violence deaths: How the U.S. compares with the rest of the world Updated January 24, 2023 The U.S. has the 32nd-highest rate of deaths from gun violence in the world: 3.96 deaths per 100,000 people in 2019. That was more than eight times as high as the rate in Canada, which had 0.47 deaths per 100,000 people — and nearly 100 times higher than in the United Kingdom, which had 0.04 deaths per 100,000. Interesting, you don't give a reference for that "factoid", Larry, unlike me who does.  Funny that, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) NOT SURE WTF LARRY IS BUT I CERTAINLY DID POST THE REFERENCE/LINK YOU TOSSPOT So, you did, but you put it at the head of your post, rather than the end, which is where traditionally links are placed.  I’ll have you know that I can and will put my quotes in my posts wherever I damn well like.

You failed to address the other points, Larry.  Care to answer them?

I'll pay you that, Larry, I apologise.  Your link is for 2019, whereas mine is for 2023, which postdates yours by several years.  Moreover yours is per 100,000 where as mine is for absolute numbers.  I prefer to deal in absolute numbers.  Now instead of relying on a news site, how about relying on a statistical website?  I won't respond to your usual resort to ad hominem insults, Larry all it demonstrates is your childishness.  How are you going with your inquiries to Freediver?  Prepared to apologise for your paranoia?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...    ::) ::)

Deaths from firearms isn't the concern

Firearms ownership is

Quit pretending

PZ547 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2023 at 11:31am:

Deaths from firearms isn't the concern Firearms ownership is Quit pretending

Yes.....contrary to popular mythology, guns DO kill people, when people pull the trigger....

PZ547 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2023 at 11:31am:

Deaths from firearms isn't the concern Firearms ownership is Quit pretending

That has always been the issue here, not what we own but that it is not restricted like in Australia. The criminal is the protected group, they commit the crime and are released on bail to confront and inform witnesses not to testify. Somehow it doesn't seem to help reduce crime. Maybe the next step would be to make nothing a crime. If nothing is illegal, nothing is a crime. Problem solved.

https://www.liveabout.com/thmb/2Vfc9bJhlxR-oWrmNO-MmY_UAII=/1500x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc():format(webp)/gun-laws-meme-58b8f6d25f9b58af5cb5f2bc.jpg

::) ::)

Mortdooley wrote on Mar 21^st, 2023 at 9:17pm:

PZ547 wrote on Mar 21st, 2023 at 11:31am: Deaths from firearms isn't the concern Firearms ownership is Quit pretending That has always been the issue here, not what we own but that it is not restricted like in Australia. The criminal is the protected group, they commit the crime and are released on bail to confront and inform witnesses not to testify. Somehow it doesn't seem to help reduce crime. Maybe the next step would be to make nothing a crime. If nothing is illegal, nothing is a crime. Problem solved.

Another approach would be to work to eliminate the causes of crime; eg, work to eradicate systemic poverty, surely a cause of crime.

Are you saying someone else is at fault because some people can't do anything with twelve or more years of free education? Free housing, free food? We have the richest poor people in the history of the world with the greatest opportunities. It is all attitude and it is up to individuals what choices they make in life.

Here is one of our New York citizens at his best.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11886647/Black-NYC-subway-passenger-hurls-racist-abuse-white-couple-toddler.html

PZ547 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2023 at 11:31am:

Deaths from firearms isn't the concern Firearms ownership is Quit pretending

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Deaths from firearms isn't the concern

Well yes it is.

If nobody was dying nobody would care how many guns or what type any people had, people as crazy as most gun owners all ok.

Mortdooley wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2023 at 8:57pm:

Are you saying someone else is at fault because some people can't do anything with twelve or more years of free education? Free housing, free food? We have the richest poor people in the history of the world with the greatest opportunities. It is all attitude and it is up to individuals what choices they make in life. Here is one of our New York citizens at his best. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11886647/Black-NYC-subway-passenger-hurls-racist-abuse-white-couple-toddler.html

Mort, can I ask why you're quoting from the UK Daily Mail?

You're a Yank, no?

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First off, broader perspective is necessary.  As even left-wing Think Progress admitted in 2013, the standard of living worldwide was that year the highest it had ever been in history.  America is among the world's lifestyle leaders, too, which means that, at least materially, we're generally living a relative life of Riley. Note here that man's historical default has been grinding poverty.  People lived without our luxuries, including those we consider necessities, and sometimes with a lack of many necessities themselves.  They had no plumbing, indoor or otherwise; toilets; refrigeration; modern transportation; effective medical care; insurance policies; or safety net of any kind.  They might've had to toil sunrise 'til sunset to eke out a subsistence living. Privation was the order of the day, with Spartan boys in their military camps, for example, living off blood soup and being perpetually hungry.  Lives were often hard, brutal, and short; I've read that the average lifespan in the Roman Empire was 22 and in ancient Greece 35, and while these numbers likely aren't dead-on accurate, our average of 76.4 was surely unheard of. And even in today's relatively wealthy world, the U.S. is, again, among the best places to be.  The poorest 10 percent of Americans live better than approximately 70 percent of the world's people; moreover, were the poorest 20 percent of us their own nation, they'd be among the richest countries on Earth.  This isn't surprising when considering how many people worldwide still live on less than a dollar a day. To the point here, much the same can be said of black Americans.  As economist Walter E. Williams informed in 2020, if "one totaled up the earnings and spending of Black Americans and considered us as a separate nation with our own gross domestic product, we would rank well within the top 20 richest nations."  Williams also added that "as a group, Black Americans have made the greatest gains ... in a shorter span of time than any other racial group in history."

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/03/ben_stein_is_right_sort_of_black_americans_have_never_had_it_so_good.html

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2023 at 9:26pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Mar 22nd, 2023 at 8:57pm: Are you saying someone else is at fault because some people can't do anything with twelve or more years of free education? Free housing, free food? We have the richest poor people in the history of the world with the greatest opportunities. It is all attitude and it is up to individuals what choices they make in life. Here is one of our New York citizens at his best. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11886647/Black-NYC-subway-passenger-hurls-racist-abuse-white-couple-toddler.html Mort, can I ask why you're quoting from the UK Daily Mail? You're a Yank, no?

I don't live in a bubble. I read Sky news, Sidney Morning Herald and Russia Today as well as other sources beyond the borders of the American liberal media. My favorites are MeWe.com, 100percentfedup.com and Whatfinger.com.

Mortdooley wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2023 at 11:39pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 22nd, 2023 at 9:26pm: Mortdooley wrote on Mar 22nd, 2023 at 8:57pm: Are you saying someone else is at fault because some people can't do anything with twelve or more years of free education? Free housing, free food? We have the richest poor people in the history of the world with the greatest opportunities. It is all attitude and it is up to individuals what choices they make in life. Here is one of our New York citizens at his best. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11886647/Black-NYC-subway-passenger-hurls-racist-abuse-white-couple-toddler.html Mort, can I ask why you're quoting from the UK Daily Mail? You're a Yank, no? I don't live in a bubble. I read Sky news, Sidney Morning Herald and Russia Today as well as other sources beyond the borders of the American liberal media. My favorites are MeWe.com, 100percentfedup.com and Whatfinger.com.

Perhaps you're reading the Sydney news in Russia Today, Mort.

They spell things differently there.

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 12:36pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Mar 22nd, 2023 at 11:39pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 22nd, 2023 at 9:26pm: Mortdooley wrote on Mar 22nd, 2023 at 8:57pm: Are you saying someone else is at fault because some people can't do anything with twelve or more years of free education? Free housing, free food? We have the richest poor people in the history of the world with the greatest opportunities. It is all attitude and it is up to individuals what choices they make in life. Here is one of our New York citizens at his best. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11886647/Black-NYC-subway-passenger-hurls-racist-abuse-white-couple-toddler.html Mort, can I ask why you're quoting from the UK Daily Mail? You're a Yank, no? I don't live in a bubble. I read Sky news, Sidney Morning Herald and Russia Today as well as other sources beyond the borders of the American liberal media. My favorites are MeWe.com, 100percentfedup.com and Whatfinger.com. Perhaps you're reading the Sydney news in Russia Today, Mort. They spell things differently there.

A very inelegant, idiotic attempt to sidestep the topic. Very paki.
Do better.
F.

Mortdooley wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2023 at 8:57pm:

Are you saying someone else is at fault because some people can't do anything with twelve or more years of free education? Free housing, free food?

1. Education in the ghettos isn't up to standard, and nor is the home learning environment. Solution: close the ghettos.

2. Housing isn't free; c. half a million are homeless in the US. 

3. Food stamps don't encourage healthy eating.


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It is all attitude and it is up to individuals what choices they make in life.

Incorrect - typical RW mythology. External circumstances also influence personal choices.


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Here is one of our New York citizens at his best. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11886647/Black-NYC-subway-passenger-hurls-racist-abuse-white-couple-toddler.html

Fallacy of composition: one person's  success isn't necessarily imitable by all.

"We all must rely upon the company and comfort of others in order to thrive in this life. “No man is an island.”
John Donne.

What kind of cretin racially abuses a toddler on public transport?

A black cretin.

The race baiting by BLM and their 'allies' has brought America to this point.



https://youtu.be/6VTWnYOqICk

Frank wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 12:59pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 23rd, 2023 at 12:36pm: Mortdooley wrote on Mar 22nd, 2023 at 11:39pm: Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 22nd, 2023 at 9:26pm: Mortdooley wrote on Mar 22nd, 2023 at 8:57pm: Are you saying someone else is at fault because some people can't do anything with twelve or more years of free education? Free housing, free food? We have the richest poor people in the history of the world with the greatest opportunities. It is all attitude and it is up to individuals what choices they make in life. Here is one of our New York citizens at his best. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11886647/Black-NYC-subway-passenger-hurls-racist-abuse-white-couple-toddler.html Mort, can I ask why you're quoting from the UK Daily Mail? You're a Yank, no? I don't live in a bubble. I read Sky news, Sidney Morning Herald and Russia Today as well as other sources beyond the borders of the American liberal media. My favorites are MeWe.com, 100percentfedup.com and Whatfinger.com. Perhaps you're reading the Sydney news in Russia Today, Mort. They spell things differently there. A very inelegant, idiotic attempt to sidestep the topic. Very paki. Do better. F.

You're lonesome, old boy, we get that.

Would you like a hug?

Frank wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 3:11pm:

What kind of cretin racially abuses a toddler on public transport? A black cretin. The race baiting by BLM and their 'allies' has brought America to this point. https://youtu.be/6VTWnYOqICk

Black culture cretin, old boy, don't forget that.

You're superior, no?

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Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 8:31pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 23rd, 2023 at 3:11pm: What kind of cretin racially abuses a toddler on public transport? A black cretin. The race baiting by BLM and their 'allies' has brought America to this point. https://youtu.be/6VTWnYOqICk Black culture cretin, old boy, don't forget that. You're superior, no?

Absolutely.
Even you are, paki.

Every time I see this I think so what our conservative friends never knew anything.


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Our Liberal Friends Have Learned Nothing

Frank wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 10:26pm:

8 Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 23rd, 2023 at 8:31pm: Frank wrote on Mar 23rd, 2023 at 3:11pm: What kind of cretin racially abuses a toddler on public transport? A black cretin. The race baiting by BLM and their 'allies' has brought America to this point. https://youtu.be/6VTWnYOqICk Black culture cretin, old boy, don't forget that. You're superior, no? Absolutely. Even you are, paki.

Superior? Moi?

Nay, old boy, I'm a jolly old Aussie. We don't do superiority.

You?

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 10:35pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 23rd, 2023 at 10:26pm: 8 Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 23rd, 2023 at 8:31pm: Frank wrote on Mar 23rd, 2023 at 3:11pm: What kind of cretin racially abuses a toddler on public transport? A black cretin. The race baiting by BLM and their 'allies' has brought America to this point. https://youtu.be/6VTWnYOqICk Black culture cretin, old boy, don't forget that. You're superior, no? Absolutely. Even you are, paki. Superior? Moi? Nay, old boy, I'm a jolly old Aussie. We don't do superiority. You?

So you are as low and stupid as that negro on the subway, paki? Diverse but equally moronic?

Frank wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2023 at 10:37pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 23rd, 2023 at 10:35pm: Frank wrote on Mar 23rd, 2023 at 10:26pm: 8 Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 23rd, 2023 at 8:31pm: Frank wrote on Mar 23rd, 2023 at 3:11pm: What kind of cretin racially abuses a toddler on public transport? A black cretin. The race baiting by BLM and their 'allies' has brought America to this point. https://youtu.be/6VTWnYOqICk Black culture cretin, old boy, don't forget that. You're superior, no? Absolutely. Even you are, paki. Superior? Moi? Nay, old boy, I'm a jolly old Aussie. We don't do superiority. You? So you are as low and stupid as that negro on the subway, paki? Diverse but equally moronic?

Is this post the culmination of your superiority, old boy?

I'm curious. I'm keen to hear what you think.

This is what the side you have chosen believes, do you believe it as well?

Chuck Schumer calls GOP bill requiring schools to obtain parental consent ‘Orwellian to the core’

The New York Times’ subheadline about the Republicans’ Parents’ Bill of Rights Act says “the legislation would require schools to obtain parental consent to honor a student’s request to change gender-identifying pronouns.”

The bill passed the House yesterday:

A divided House on Friday approved legislation that would mandate that schools make library catalogs and curriculums public, and that they obtain parental consent before honoring a student’s request to change their gender-identifying pronouns, part of a Republican effort to wring political advantage from a raging debate over contentious social issues.

The bill, approved almost entirely along party lines on a vote of 213 to 208, is a centerpiece of the Republican agenda that its sponsors call the Parents Bill of Rights Act.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2023/03/25/chuck-schumer-calls-gop-bill-requiring-schools-to-obtain-parental-consent-orwellian-to-the-core/

Mortdooley wrote on Mar 26^th, 2023 at 8:47pm:

This is what the side you have chosen believes, do you believe it as well?

I believe this is 'first world' "woke" nonsense; if a student is concerned about how other students perceive their sexuality, then a smart teacher ought to be able to sort the matter out in the classroom.

And you claim the LW is "woke"....

There are more important issues to deal with:
eg "poverty is the worst kind of violence"; it is imposed by the system, and submitted to by the least competitive.

But no, parents should have nothing to do with the public school  curriculum.

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 27^th, 2023 at 1:23pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Mar 26th, 2023 at 8:47pm: This is what the side you have chosen believes, do you believe it as well? I believe this is 'first world' "woke" nonsense; if a student is concerned about how other students perceive their sexuality, then a smart teacher ought to be able to sort the matter out in the classroom. And you claim the LW is "woke".... There are more important issues to deal with: eg "poverty is the worst kind of violence"; it is imposed by the system, and submitted to by the least competitive. But no, parents should have nothing to do with the public school  curriculum.

Much of the US is best described as a developing economy. Rampant homelessness, poverty, incarceration, gun-crime, lack of adequate health care and now, inflation, are leading to America's decline.

It has a broken political system stacked with rent-seeking, do-nothing politicians, more interested in fundraising and getting likes on Facebook than serving their electorates. Their recently-ousted demagogue looks set to get the nomination to run in 2024 and there's nothing the GOP can do about it.

While politics are distracted by culture wars over trans bathrooms, wealth distribution keeps widening. The divide between rich and poor is greater than any time in US history.

The Again in MAGA refers to a post-war period of relative income equality, when CEOs and senior executives were paid a fraction of what they get today. The last administration scrapped post-GFC banking regulations that may see more bank failures. The steady growth of the Obama period was decimated by covid and, due to the corporate tax cuts, the US has rapidly growing debt.

While the housing crisis in the cities places people on the street, politics has become a distraction. Billionaire politicians are playing the victim, shrieking WITCH HUNT over investigations into crimes they threatened to lock other politicians up for, and people are over it.

Until the GOP come to the table, put their vested interests aside and start to discuss practical solutions to income inequality in good faith, the US will continue to decline. China will become the number one economy in our lifetimes.

This isn't good for us. We need the support of the world's biggest military. We also need global action on climate change. Until the US can get its domestic act together, we'll be worse off too.

Great's right, Mort. Get busy living, or the rest of us will need to get busy dying. Your hysterical culture wars aren't just toxic for your own country, they're bringing the world down with you.

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 27^th, 2023 at 2:50pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 27th, 2023 at 1:23pm: Mortdooley wrote on Mar 26th, 2023 at 8:47pm: This is what the side you have chosen believes, do you believe it as well? I believe this is 'first world' "woke" nonsense; if a student is concerned about how other students perceive their sexuality, then a smart teacher ought to be able to sort the matter out in the classroom. And you claim the LW is "woke".... There are more important issues to deal with: eg "poverty is the worst kind of violence"; it is imposed by the system, and submitted to by the least competitive. But no, parents should have nothing to do with the public school  curriculum. Much of the US is best described as a developing economy. Rampant homelessness, poverty, incarceration, gun-crime, lack of adequate health care and now, inflation, are leading to America's decline. It has a broken political system stacked with rent-seeking, do-nothing politicians, more interested in fundraising and getting likes on Facebook than serving their electorates. Their recently-ousted demagogue looks set to get the nomination to run in 2024 and there's nothing the GOP can do about it. While politics are distracted by culture wars over trans bathrooms, wealth distribution keeps widening. The divide between rich and poor is greater than any time in US history. The Again in MAGA refers to a post-war period of relative income equality, when CEOs and senior executives were paid a fraction of what they get today. The last administration scrapped post-GFC banking regulations that may see more bank failures. The steady growth of the Obama period was decimated by covid and, due to the corporate tax cuts, the US has rapidly growing debt. While the housing crisis in the cities places people on the street, politics has become a distraction. Billionaire politicians are playing the victim, shrieking WITCH HUNT over investigations into crimes they threatened to lock other politicians up for, and people are over it. Until the GOP come to the table, put their vested interests aside and start to discuss practical solutions to income inequality in good faith, the US will continue to decline. China will become the number one economy in our lifetimes. This isn't good for us. We need the support of the world's biggest military. We also need global action on climate change. Until the US can get its domestic act together, we'll be worse off too. Great's right, Mort. Get busy living, or the rest of us will need to get busy dying. Your hysterical culture wars aren't just toxic for your own country, they're bringing the world down with you.

Good post.

But you might be aware of my contempt for the current mainstream neoliberal/neoclassical orthodoxy which means governments have to 'beg' for money, according to dictates of "independent" central bankers looking after the interests of private financiers.

Which means the Left always face the "how are you going to pay for it" retort from the Right.  That's why Albo is forced into his "small target" modus operandi, to get elected...

We need a new system which distinguishes between "taxpayer money" and "government money" - the currency-issuing government doesn't need your money, its needs your work-effort shared between the public and private sectors, a choice the electorate, not central bankers, ought to be able to make.