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Title: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by AusGeoff on Feb 6th, 2023 at 6:49am
The Council of Small Business Organisations Australia (COSBOA) has
carried out research into cybercrime that indicates Baby Boomers are more cognisant than all other age demographics about the dangers of this type of criminal activity. This may surprise a lot of the smug, younger generations who perceive us oldies as tired, dopey old codgers with one foot in the grave. Ha! I have news for them! The results don't surprise me though, as I was using computers well before those young smartarses were even leaving snail trails on their parents' sheets. Note in particular the pathetic security awareness of the first "digital natives" —Gen Z (born between 1997 and 2010). Surely the Gen Zs should be the most aware of cybercrime, or are they just too stupid or too lazy to care? And who should we blame for an entire generation of technological dummies? Parents? Schools? Trump? The research was conducted in Nov/Dec last year, with the findings drawn from a survey of more than 2,100 business owners and employees. |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by Lisa Jones on Feb 6th, 2023 at 7:35am
That sample space is pretty pathetic.
I disagree with the findings. Boomers are more likely to fall for scammers. Gen Z ie my generation are the generation who is responsible ie we're earning larger annual salaries and receiving rental incomes from properties we've inherited from baby boomers (who are essentially dead or dying or are in retirement or nursing facilities). Those who have survived Covid19 since 2020... and are at home (still) tend not to have power of attorney anyway. Basically boomers are reliant on fixed incomes (govt pensions/share dividends etc). They no longer have much money. They used to. Not anymore. Gen X now holds the wealth. And WE are very much aware of keeping that wealth safe and sound. Why? We're better educated for starters (we had the opportunity to get a University education compared to boomers) AND we feel a sense of duty to ensure that any money we've been given control of by our parents and parents in law are held in trust for our children ie their grandchildren as their main goal was for their wealth to go there. These surveys need to be more precise. And they need to target generations AFTER Gen X a little more because THIS is where the problem is. Why? These later generations (after Gen X) ... are absolutely apathetic. And they could do with a wake up call. I'm bloody tired of constantly nagging my kids AND my nieces and nephews OVER and OVER and OVER again...about cyber security/financial security/identity security etc. Now "Geoff" please explain wtf happened here 👇 https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1675508471/0 |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by MeisterEckhart on Feb 6th, 2023 at 7:44am AusGeoff wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 6:49am:
If any of this were true, I'd bet it's due to boomers being deeply suspicious of digital transactions and being aware of their own ignorance of digital technology, they avoid them whenever they can. Gen Zs have never experienced a widespread alternative to digital technology. To them, there is no alternative. The US is experiencing the problem of turning the older population to any digital technology at all. The use of cash is heavily associated with economic freedom, (or freedom in itself) - Freedom is an American obsession to the point that they are convinced that the US is the freest country, in every aspect, in the world - The US actually ranks at about 15th. |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by Lisa Jones on Feb 6th, 2023 at 7:57am MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 7:44am:
Yep! That's another very interesting and important point. How many of these baby boomers are even online? And let's take a closer look at those who are online for a moment. They're online playing wordle and quordle. Or on OzPol talking to themselves under various ids. The other key note which underpinned this survey is a criterion which needs to be more closely examined. The passwords used by baby boomers are more constantly changed than any other generation. Well duh! Baby boomers keep forgetting their passwords ffs! If anything their passwords are protected by their dementia! That's why they keep asking for new ones all the bloody time 😂🤣😆 |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by AusGeoff on Feb 6th, 2023 at 8:10am MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 7:44am:
Well, I have no reason to believe the report findings were untrue. Do you? And if so, why? And it's not a matter of we Boomers being overly "suspicious"; a better word choice would be cautious—and rightly so. Nor are we "ignorant" of digital technology as we were using it decades before Gen Zs or Millennials etc. In fact, the majority of the software used by Gen Zs today has its roots in software developed by the now Boomer-aged. I'd agree that some Boomers "avoid" technology—although I'd be happy to look at any data confirming that. I don't think a blanket statement like that really applies; that's like saying that all Christians avoid gambling. The fact that Gen Zs have never experienced non-digital technology should surely make them better educated and aware of cybercrime, rather than being more subject to falling for it IMO. |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by AusGeoff on Feb 6th, 2023 at 8:25am Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 7:57am:
Are you serious Lisa, or just trying to get a rise out of me? ;) At any rate, you don't have any evidence for those claims about Boomers. I've never payed Wordle or Quoirdle as they're basically just kids games. They'd bore me shitless quite frankly. Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 7:57am:
Interesting claim. Do you have any evidence of this, or are you just guessing? Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 7:57am:
LOL... now I know you're pulling my chain! At any rate, I don't think I've ever forgotten that ... um... the thingy... what's it called again... the something -word? |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by MeisterEckhart on Feb 6th, 2023 at 9:12am Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 7:57am:
I thought you were a boomer. Don't you have grown kids? |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by MeisterEckhart on Feb 6th, 2023 at 9:34am
Baby Boom Generation: Born between 1946–1964 - 18 years.
Generation X: Born between 1965–1980 - 15 years. Millennial Generation or Generation Y: Born between 1981–1996 - 15 years Generation Z or iGen: Born between 1997–2010 - 13 years Seems no one has a mortgage on the boundaries of cultural generations. If full maturity is not achieved until an individual is 25, only those Gen Z born in 1997 (if those boundaries are used) have reached full maturity to date. |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by MeisterEckhart on Feb 6th, 2023 at 9:41am AusGeoff wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 6:49am:
Gawd, the youth of today, eh old fella! The majority of Gen Z are still teenagers and the rest haven't reached full maturity. What were you like at 18? Thought you knew everything, back then by... magic? “When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years.” - Mark Twain |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by Lisa Jones on Feb 6th, 2023 at 11:21am MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 9:12am:
OMG!!! Despite the fact that I've constantly posted that : SOME of my kids (ie those from my 1st marriage) are in their early 20's and both my parents were boomers and that I'm born in 1970 and that I'm Gen X? You concluded from all that 👆👆👆👆 .... that I'm a boomer like yourself? Okkkkkkayyyyyyy. 😐 Oh and I make fun of baby boomers (a bit). |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by Lisa Jones on Feb 6th, 2023 at 11:34am MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 9:34am:
Yep. I'm Gen X. My older kids are Gen Z. BOTH my husbands were/are boomers. 1st one was born in 1956/the 2nd one was born in 1960. All I can say is that it has not been easy being married to a baby boomer. They're soooooo slooooooow and ummm ok let's just say they're so ineffective. At absolutely everything. They always need prodding and poking like they're on the autism spectrum (even though they're not). Oh sigh....perhaps I should be posting all this in Relationships 🥺😳🥺 |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by Jovial Monk on Feb 6th, 2023 at 11:38am
Larry is an early Boomer.
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Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by Belgarion on Feb 6th, 2023 at 11:54am Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 11:34am:
The fact that you have had two ex husbands probably says more about you than them. ::) |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by Lisa Jones on Feb 6th, 2023 at 12:15pm Belgarion wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 11:54am:
Hey everyone! Apparently I have had TWO ex husbands 😂🤣😆 Thanks for letting me know. Up to this point in time I was pretty sure I only had 1 ex husband (who I divorced because I had enough self respect to leave the abusive drunk who gambled his inheritance and whatever other money he had away. Oh and said drunk did what all drunks eventually do....spent all his money/owed people money and drank himself to death. A huge thank you once again Belgarion. I'll be sure to tell my 2nd husband who I'm still happily married to (well he frustrates me no end and I'm pretty sure I frustrate him no end too but meh) ... after he comes home tonight from work that he's in fact my ex husband according to you lol. Whilst here....what do you reckon Belgarion...should I tear up the Valentine's Day card I've just finished writing up for him? I mean he's apparently my EX husband (according to you anyway). 😐 |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by MeisterEckhart on Feb 6th, 2023 at 1:18pm Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 11:21am:
I'm Gen-X |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by MeisterEckhart on Feb 6th, 2023 at 1:21pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 9:34am:
Lies, damn lies, and phone polls. COSBOA shaved off 2 years from Gen Z to move their mean age to older than otherwise. Still, even then, almost none of Gen-Z have reached the full maturity age of 25. |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by Lisa Jones on Feb 6th, 2023 at 2:21pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 1:18pm:
I bet you're right on the bloody cusp of Baby Boomer and Gen X. Edit : I on the other hand .... am comfortably placed in the middle of the Gen X cohort. |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by UnSubRocky on Feb 6th, 2023 at 2:55pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g8yHqThzog
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Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by UnSubRocky on Feb 6th, 2023 at 2:56pm
Gen X were the generation that had to teach Boomers how to program their VCRs.
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Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by Belgarion on Feb 6th, 2023 at 3:24pm Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 12:15pm:
By the way you were bagging out both these men I assumed that they were both exes. I bet your current husband would be so gratified to know the esteem in which you hold him as evidenced by your previous post. |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by MeisterEckhart on Feb 6th, 2023 at 3:25pm Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 2:21pm:
Mid 1970s. |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by Lisa Jones on Feb 6th, 2023 at 6:07pm Belgarion wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 3:24pm:
WTF is wrong with you? Have you not heard of a nagging wife before? 😂🤣😆 |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by Lisa Jones on Feb 6th, 2023 at 6:10pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 3:25pm:
Oh yeah. 🙃 |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by MeisterEckhart on Feb 6th, 2023 at 6:36pm Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 6:10pm:
Not sure what's unbelievable about it. Not sure why it's unreasonable to assume you may be a tail-end boomer (or gen-x). If you were born in 1963, you could have had children from, say, 1981 - 1998. Given you've mentioned you have adult children. |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by Lisa Jones on Feb 6th, 2023 at 6:40pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 6:36pm:
You can live in the world of what IF. I'm happy to live in the world of what IS. I've ALWAYS posted ad nauseum about my Gen X status AND that I was a 1970's model yadda yadda yadda and I'm forever making fun of Baby Boomers. How you missed all that has got me 🙃. |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by MeisterEckhart on Feb 6th, 2023 at 7:05pm Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 6:40pm:
You've got a diminished theory of mind. I don't read all of your posts, so I'm not up-to-date with every aspect of your life. |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by Lisa Jones on Feb 6th, 2023 at 7:33pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 7:05pm:
1. Nope. But I suspect you do. Males tend to over represent in that particular area. 2. Even if you had read 10% you would have known. Diminished Theory of Memory perhaps? |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by MeisterEckhart on Feb 6th, 2023 at 7:46pm Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 7:33pm:
I guess I've read less than 10% of your posts, then. |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by Lisa Jones on Feb 6th, 2023 at 8:05pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 7:46pm:
And yet you've answered well over 50% of them.😂🤣😆 |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by MeisterEckhart on Feb 6th, 2023 at 8:13pm Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 8:05pm:
In this thread, maybe, but you posted on average 6.75 times s day. I'm sure I haven't responded to or read 4 posts of yours a day. |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by Lisa Jones on Feb 6th, 2023 at 8:24pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 8:13pm:
You on the other hand post an average of 15.1 posts a bloody day! And I fight with you online a lot too. That's a fact! So guess what pal ... I reckon you respond to me more than you're letting on! Face it. You DO! And that means you DO read my posts because when you respond to me you hit at little bits of my posts hoping to make me feel miffed. |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by MeisterEckhart on Feb 6th, 2023 at 8:40pm Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 8:24pm:
Not enough to know you're not a boomer, I guess. |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by Lisa Jones on Feb 6th, 2023 at 9:05pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 8:40pm:
Just so you know ... I'm only chatting to you like this because I'm really trying to figure out what other id you use. And the more I chat to you the more I'm working that out. So that's why I'm not allowing myself to be miffed easily by you. |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by MeisterEckhart on Feb 6th, 2023 at 9:09pm Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 9:05pm:
Ah, back to that again. So long as it doesn't lead to PMs. |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by lee on Feb 6th, 2023 at 9:15pm
Technically speaking there are Computer nerds in all age groups. And vulnerable people in all age groups. It is too broad a brush to any age grouo. ;)
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Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by MeisterEckhart on Feb 6th, 2023 at 9:25pm lee wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 9:15pm:
And not a level field. Boomers, Gen-X and millennials have reached and exceeded the age of full maturity. The oldest Gen-Zs have barely reached 25. Then there is the sleight of hand with the birth year range. COSBOA has Boomers at 18 years range, Gen-X and millennials at a 15 years range while Gen-Z at a 13 years range, |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by UnSubRocky on Feb 6th, 2023 at 10:10pm lee wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 9:15pm:
The unit co-ordinator at my university made a response to my request to have an extension to one of my programming assignments. He told me that he would ride his bike 20km to and from the Sydney university where he learned programming, everyday. And he would make use of suburban trains whenever they were available. He learned what he needed to learn about coding inside 6 weeks of dedicated study. He was not about to give me an extension for a deadline to an assignment that only took 2 weeks of study to understand, when I had a whole 6 weeks beforehand to do the subject. Sixty something years old and he had been in the lecturer game for the previous 15. It is not as though he is incapable of writing his own cybersecurity software, either. |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by AusGeoff on Feb 7th, 2023 at 3:45am UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 2:56pm:
LOL... maybe so in a few cases. But it was the Boomers who designed and built those VCRs. ;D |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by MeisterEckhart on Feb 7th, 2023 at 5:29am AusGeoff wrote on Feb 7th, 2023 at 3:45am:
The VCR was designed and developed in 1956. The home video was built from the original VCR in 1964. So it was people from the Greatest Generation (1901-1924) and the Silent Generation (1925-1945) - the two generations prior to the boomers - who designed and developed the VCR. |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by Sophia on Feb 9th, 2023 at 8:12pm lee wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 9:15pm:
Yes! I’m a little tech nerd and always looking at and buying new tech stuff. I’ve always bought tech stuff as gifts for my kids and hubby. And I prefer fast 3.0 usb sticks to slippers for Mother’s Day! Now… my story is… after I completed my year at business college … fastest typist and loved practicing my Pitman’s shorthand keeping up with the news at night. I worked for the ATO in the legal dept typing pool at first… Then new computers came along changing from paper punch to metal/magnetic reels. IBM it was. They needed typists that were interested to do computer work for more pay. Anyway… I meant to say I’ve been with computers since about 1974. I just love new tech. I have the newest iPhone. Digi cam with Bluetooth. Dash cam. Smart TV. Etc My hubby is old tech knowledge as he was an auto technician mechanic. He knows all the old fashioned set up and wiring of units, vcrs etc which I’ve always admired. But he can’t fathom all this new digitised stuff where I can which he admires! It’s so funny how things have flipped around. I’m trying to wean him off his 15 year old Samsung flip phone to learning how to use the IPhone. I bought him an iPad Pro and have been easing him into that also. A little every day. For years with the advent of desk top computers and laptops I would help out my own gen (boomers) with their tech queries of how to … etc my fave places I like to go to are Officeworks, jbHifi, I never thought of myself as clever… as it was just something I found easy to comprehend. In 2002 I actually went on the WWW with dial up. I’ve kept a lot of old tech books and floppy discs etc as it’s history. Vintage now. I’ve even got an old Olivetti typewriter… my daughter’s friend… her 14 year old asked when she saw it “what’s that?!” I’m on the computer a lot sometimes with programmes I’ve purchased to process photo shoots I do. (Recent one was a pregnant mumma as we went outdoors in nature taking photos.) I do a lot of online photo books that are printed. Use lots of creative imaginative stuff. |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by Sophia on Feb 9th, 2023 at 8:18pm
And I’m the one that likes to go to those mystery rooms to find clues to get out… but none of my family want to!
I ask “what’s wrong with ya’s!!” There needs to be 3 people minimum. I love a good challenge but gee what sticklers my Millenium kids are! Pffft! I might ask my daughters new beau… he’s an X gen! Next time I see him …. |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by Sophia on Feb 9th, 2023 at 8:30pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 6th, 2023 at 7:05pm:
I’m much the same Meister. I don’t read everything to be up to date either and I don’t post a lot. But sometimes a topic will grab my attention and I read it thoroughly to learn … even if I don’t put in a reply…. Some threads are good to a point until it gets crummy or hijacked and goes off course ::) |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by Sophia on Feb 13th, 2023 at 9:28pm
Well…. This doesn’t much matter what age or gen we are! :o
Anyone else know about these public charging stations? I think I once used one at an airport but I don’t think I will ever again after seeing this…. https://vt.tiktok.com/ZS85AYRjy/ |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by Lisa Jones on Feb 13th, 2023 at 9:42pm Sophia wrote on Feb 13th, 2023 at 9:28pm:
😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳 Thank God I only ever recharge my iPhone at home or in our cars. |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by Sophia on Feb 13th, 2023 at 10:45pm |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by MeisterEckhart on Feb 13th, 2023 at 11:49pm Sophia wrote on Feb 13th, 2023 at 10:45pm:
The scammer didn't just hang up when he was outed -Loved his 'job' - Textbook psychopathic narcissist. |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by Sophia on Feb 14th, 2023 at 6:38am MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13th, 2023 at 11:49pm:
Sadly, these cruel heartless types are what we are dealing with more and more in the world. Notice he said he makes a lot of money…. Yet enough is never enough … and never will be. They keep on doing what they can get away with as it’s the only feelings of thrill they have… these types lack empathy. It’s just a game in life to them. What I don’t understand is how they can’t be traced to be made accountable for their crimes yet average joe can be located via his phone cell anywhere he goes? Here’s a screen shot of stupid scam texts I get daily. I do not engage. I do a block on those numbers and delete. |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by Lisa Jones on Feb 14th, 2023 at 12:15pm
Well I must say this topic has turned out to be rather interesting.
What appears to be Linkt sends us monthly unpaid toll notices (but only as a vague message in plain text with some mobile number). The Linkt App is what we rely on for any info. Oh and we know what trips we’ve made so that’s of course the main giveaway. |
Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by lee on Feb 14th, 2023 at 12:43pm
I got a message from LINKt supposedly. I used the computer to check rather than the phone. Strangely enough although it looked real the tabs wouldn't open. Of course WA doesn't have toll roads anyway. ;)
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Title: Re: Boomers Better With Cybersecurity Post by Bias_2012 on Feb 14th, 2023 at 1:36pm
I haven't been able to get anything in the last two days. I was getting a signal but nothing would load. Two phone calls later to provider and it's back on. It was a mystery but I found afp:// in my System Preferences ... What does "afp" stand for? Anyone know?
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