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Message started by Panther on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:00am

Title: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Panther on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:00am
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What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6

A decision was made by the Jan. 6 committee and the media to avoid the possibility of
Any nuance whatsoever regarding the riots.



Source:      The Patriot Post    
Quote:
Jan. 6 was, according to White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre, “the worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War.” Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer explained that the riot of Jan. 6 was a “violent insurrection.” And in order to preserve democracy, Schumer stated, Fox News should take Tucker Carlson off the air.

What, pray tell, did Carlson do that merited the Senate Majority Leader calling for his silencing? After House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., granted him access to some 41,000 hours of as-yet-unreleased footage from Jan. 6, he aired a special in which he disclosed two particularly pertinent pieces of tape: first, tape showing Capitol Police apparently walking alongside the QAnon Shaman, Jacob Chansley, through the hallways; second, tape showing Officer Brian Sicknick gesturing animatedly to fellow officers after he had already been attacked by the crowd outside.

Carlson seemed to downplay the violence of the day based on the tape. He said, “A small percentage of them were hooligans. But the overwhelming majority weren’t. They were peaceful. They were orderly and meek. These were not insurrectionists — they were sightseers.”

Now, to be certain, a riot took place on Jan. 6. In that riot, dozens of officers were injured; some 1,000 people were arrested. But Carlson isn’t wrong that tape appears to show some of the people in the Capitol wandering around aimlessly, not violently, or that the media’s original portrayal of Sicknick’s death — it was widely reported that he had been directly murdered by the crowd — was incorrect.

Argue with Carlson’s framing all you want; I have significant disagreements with it. But it is clear that Jan. 6, as ugly as it was, was a riot and not a “danger to our democracy”; that many of those in the Capitol were in fact gawking rather than rioting; and that the Jan. 6 committee went out of its way to present certain footage but avoid other footage. A decision was made by the Jan. 6 committee and the media to avoid the possibility of any nuance whatsoever regarding the riots. Instead, the only acceptable narrative determined that a riot was an insurrection, that insurrection threatened the overthrow of the United States, and that the insurrection continues to percolate throughout conservative circles. Any mitigating evidence to that overblown narrative was discarded.

Supposedly, the best way to ensure that narrative was to ensure silence. But Schumer’s call to silence Carlson is precisely the reason Carlson’s report went viral in the first place. The media-Democratic complex keeps exaggerating narratives, eliding any countervailing information, and then seeking to censor those who present such information; they keep burying evidentiary landmines hoping they won’t be triggered. Then the landmines bow up, and they’re shocked at the explosion.

We couldn’t be given the footage, according to our media and political elites, lest we draw the wrong conclusions. Herein lies the problem: the best way to avoid the American people drawing the wrong conclusions is to present them with the full evidence, and then let them draw their own conclusions. And that’s precisely what the elites in our media and the Democratic Party won’t allow.


There was 41,000 hours of video regarding what really took place during the January 6th Riots....Demonstrations......that the American People have never seen.....kept under wraps by the Jan6 'Select Committee' & the MSM.....most probably because there are most likely contradictions between the political narrative they wished America to see, & what may cause America to pause, & step back to take in the actual picture.......to decide for themselves what actually happened as opposed to what the 'Select Committee' wished to paint for them.

I think we will probably be seeing a different perspective of events, in light of the release of all 41,000 hours of that day's activity, which may...or may not......cause opinions to change from where they were a few days/weeks/months back.

Bottom line, the American People don't take kindly to, or appreciate none to much, being kept from all the facts........especially if evidence reveals that they most probably have been hoodwinked....or worse.....been flatly lied to all along....up until this very day.

Get a small taste of what's to come in the video below.....


Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Panther on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:03am
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Watch the Video.....The TRUTH shall set you free.....Make up your own minds afterwards....after watching this video.....


[media width=815]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPg9N_HiLMg[/media]

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Dnarever on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:03am
You should be embarrassed.

Tuckers lies can be safely ignored and should be.

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Panther on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:06am
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Lawyer for the "QAnonSharman" Jacob Chansley repulsed by what was Unconstitutionally withheld
by the Government to his clients detriment.


[media width=800]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTdL5VtjbtY[/media]


A complete & utter travesty of justice, which must be rectified.....Those that knowingly pushed the false narrative of this man's guilt must they themselves be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law!!!

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Dnarever on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:09am

You could make this look like Vietnam was a party. Why not it is what Tusker has done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVDBr82A9e4

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Black Orchid on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:12am

Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:03am:
You should be embarrassed.

Tuckers lies can be safely ignored and should be.


So actual footage that was intentionally withheld by the FBI and DOJ is "Tucker's lies" in your mind?

You're the one who should be embarrassed or, more specifically, sectioned.

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Dnarever on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:15am
Being a police officer at the capital must be about the most dangerous job in the world. A normal tour of the capital puts 150 police officers in hospital kills 5 people and costs about $3 Million in damages. Hang Mike Pence.

IDIOTS.




Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Dnarever on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:21am

Black Orchid wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:12am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:03am:
You should be embarrassed.

Tuckers lies can be safely ignored and should be.


So actual footage that was intentionally withheld by the FBI and DOJ is "Tucker's lies" in your mind?

You're the one who should be embarrassed or, more specifically, sectioned.


Tucker is a self identified liar. He has said so in court several times (just a few weeks ago). Even in this event he said things that he has identified in court as lies and admitted that he had never ever believed.

Several times in court Fox have defended Tucker by saying that nobody believes what he is saying.

With 40 hours of film you are always going to be able to cherry pick a few minutes without violence. 150 police officers were put in hospital.

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Dnarever on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:25am

Black Orchid wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:12am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:03am:
You should be embarrassed.

Tuckers lies can be safely ignored and should be.


So actual footage that was intentionally withheld by the FBI and DOJ is "Tucker's lies" in your mind?

You're the one who should be embarrassed or, more specifically, sectioned.




Quote:
So actual footage that was intentionally withheld by the FBI and DOJ


If you have 40 hours of film of someone who is going to commit a crime do you show the clip of him going to the rest room at 10:30 or the clip of him robbing the bank at 11:30 ?

Tuckems is showing the rest room visit. See all is OK - He is innocent.

Is that how it is meant to work?

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Dnarever on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:31am
No the right does itself no favours in posting this disgrace.

Even republican politicians like Turtle man has called it out.

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Black Orchid on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:49am

Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:25am:

Black Orchid wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:12am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:03am:
You should be embarrassed.

Tuckers lies can be safely ignored and should be.


So actual footage that was intentionally withheld by the FBI and DOJ is "Tucker's lies" in your mind?

You're the one who should be embarrassed or, more specifically, sectioned.




Quote:
So actual footage that was intentionally withheld by the FBI and DOJ


If you have 40 hours of film of someone who is going to commit a crime do you show the clip of him going to the rest room at 10:30 or the clip of him robbing the bank at 11:30 ?

Tuckems is showing the rest room visit. See all is OK - He is innocent.

Is that how it is meant to work?


The majority of the crowd were peaceful and just wandered around, mostly being guided by the police.  Those idiots that were violent deserve to be punished.

Jacob Chansley, for instance, was NOT violent but your mob made an example of him to push your agenda.  He was guided through the chamber by police who opened doors for him and escorted him around.  The worst he did was say a prayer on the Senate floor.   Yet he was sentenced to over 4 years in solitary confinement.  The footage was withheld from his lawyer even though he repeatedly made the requisite filings for it.

He's wandering around chatting happily to up to 9 cops who found him to be NO threat.

Should ALL the footage be shown or just what you lot cherry pick for your agenda.

Then we have Brian Sicknick who your lot keep disingenuously parroting was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher.  Yet he's happily wandering around chatting and picking up rubbish hours after the event.

You said you have not seen even the footage yet you still parrot lies and cast judgment.   Is this how you think justice should work? 

At least try to show some integrity.

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Panther on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:59am

Black Orchid wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:12am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:03am:
You should be embarrassed.

Tuckers lies can be safely ignored and should be.


So actual footage that was intentionally withheld by the FBI and DOJ is "Tucker's lies" in your mind?

You're the one who should be embarrassed or, more specifically, sectioned.


Yep, it is the Leftist "LIARS" that should be embarrassed......It is the Leftists that should hang their heads in shame for Lying to the American People!

But no, all they do is quadruple their venomous vitriolic lies shamelessly, coupling them with apoplectic rants of how "democracy" is dying, & these so called "terrorist insurrectionists" attacks were worse than 911....

Well, the TRUTH is coming out whether they like it or not, & we have only seen the tip of the iceberg that will, once & for all, sink their LYING SHIP of FOOLS!!!


Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Dnarever on Mar 11th, 2023 at 9:11am

Black Orchid wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:49am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:25am:

Black Orchid wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:12am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:03am:
You should be embarrassed.

Tuckers lies can be safely ignored and should be.


So actual footage that was intentionally withheld by the FBI and DOJ is "Tucker's lies" in your mind?

You're the one who should be embarrassed or, more specifically, sectioned.




Quote:
So actual footage that was intentionally withheld by the FBI and DOJ


If you have 40 hours of film of someone who is going to commit a crime do you show the clip of him going to the rest room at 10:30 or the clip of him robbing the bank at 11:30 ?

Tuckems is showing the rest room visit. See all is OK - He is innocent.

Is that how it is meant to work?


The majority of the crowd were peaceful and just wandered around, mostly being guided by the police.  Those idiots that were violent deserve to be punished.

Jacob Chansley, for instance, was NOT violent but your mob made an example of him to push your agenda.  He was guided through the chamber by police who opened doors for him and escorted him around.  The worst he did was say a prayer on the Senate floor.   Yet he was sentenced to over 4 years in solitary confinement.  The footage was withheld from his lawyer even though he repeatedly made the requisite filings for it.

He's wandering around chatting happily to up to 9 cops who found him to be NO threat.

Should ALL the footage be shown or just what you lot cherry pick for your agenda.

Then we have Brian Sicknick who your lot keep disingenuously parroting was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher.  Yet he's happily wandering around chatting and picking up rubbish hours after the event.

You said you have not seen even the footage yet you still parrot lies and cast judgment.   Is this how you think justice should work? 

At least try to show some integrity.


You cannot claim the moral high ground based on Tuckers lies.

There is no possible way to have seen or know anything about Jan 6th and claim to not see what this disgraceful / dishonest historical re write is all about. Nobody is that stupid.

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Panther on Mar 11th, 2023 at 9:22am

Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 9:11am:

Black Orchid wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:49am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:25am:

Black Orchid wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:12am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:03am:
You should be embarrassed.

Tuckers lies can be safely ignored and should be.


So actual footage that was intentionally withheld by the FBI and DOJ is "Tucker's lies" in your mind?

You're the one who should be embarrassed or, more specifically, sectioned.




Quote:
So actual footage that was intentionally withheld by the FBI and DOJ


If you have 40 hours of film of someone who is going to commit a crime do you show the clip of him going to the rest room at 10:30 or the clip of him robbing the bank at 11:30 ?

Tuckems is showing the rest room visit. See all is OK - He is innocent.

Is that how it is meant to work?


The majority of the crowd were peaceful and just wandered around, mostly being guided by the police.  Those idiots that were violent deserve to be punished.

Jacob Chansley, for instance, was NOT violent but your mob made an example of him to push your agenda.  He was guided through the chamber by police who opened doors for him and escorted him around.  The worst he did was say a prayer on the Senate floor.   Yet he was sentenced to over 4 years in solitary confinement.  The footage was withheld from his lawyer even though he repeatedly made the requisite filings for it.

He's wandering around chatting happily to up to 9 cops who found him to be NO threat.

Should ALL the footage be shown or just what you lot cherry pick for your agenda.

Then we have Brian Sicknick who your lot keep disingenuously parroting was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher.  Yet he's happily wandering around chatting and picking up rubbish hours after the event.

You said you have not seen even the footage yet you still parrot lies and cast judgment.   Is this how you think justice should work? 

At least try to show some integrity.


..................Nobody is that stupid.


Nobody is that stupid Piddle-Duckboy?

You wouldn't know about integrity even if it bit you on the beak!!



You're the poster boy for the LYIN' APOPLECTIC LEFT!


Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by scope on Mar 11th, 2023 at 9:33am
Were the people convicted of crimes during the insurrection ,convicted of walking around peacefully or were they convicted of committing various crimes ?

Right wingers, once again trying to  defend the indefensible .

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Dnarever on Mar 11th, 2023 at 9:45am

Panther wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 9:22am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 9:11am:

Black Orchid wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:49am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:25am:

Black Orchid wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:12am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:03am:
You should be embarrassed.

Tuckers lies can be safely ignored and should be.


So actual footage that was intentionally withheld by the FBI and DOJ is "Tucker's lies" in your mind?

You're the one who should be embarrassed or, more specifically, sectioned.




Quote:
So actual footage that was intentionally withheld by the FBI and DOJ


If you have 40 hours of film of someone who is going to commit a crime do you show the clip of him going to the rest room at 10:30 or the clip of him robbing the bank at 11:30 ?

Tuckems is showing the rest room visit. See all is OK - He is innocent.

Is that how it is meant to work?


The majority of the crowd were peaceful and just wandered around, mostly being guided by the police.  Those idiots that were violent deserve to be punished.

Jacob Chansley, for instance, was NOT violent but your mob made an example of him to push your agenda.  He was guided through the chamber by police who opened doors for him and escorted him around.  The worst he did was say a prayer on the Senate floor.   Yet he was sentenced to over 4 years in solitary confinement.  The footage was withheld from his lawyer even though he repeatedly made the requisite filings for it.

He's wandering around chatting happily to up to 9 cops who found him to be NO threat.

Should ALL the footage be shown or just what you lot cherry pick for your agenda.

Then we have Brian Sicknick who your lot keep disingenuously parroting was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher.  Yet he's happily wandering around chatting and picking up rubbish hours after the event.

You said you have not seen even the footage yet you still parrot lies and cast judgment.   Is this how you think justice should work? 

At least try to show some integrity.


..................Nobody is that stupid.


Nobody is that stupid Piddle-Duckboy?

You wouldn't know about integrity even if it bit you on the beak!!



You're the poster boy for the LYIN' APOPLECTIC LEFT!



Quote:
Nobody is that stupid.


I did think about making an exception.

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Panther on Mar 11th, 2023 at 9:48am

scope wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 9:33am:
Where the people convicted of crimes during the insurrection ,convicted of walking around peacefully or were they convicted of committing various crimes ?

Right wingers,  .......defend the indefensible .


The Lyin' Jan6th Select Committee, DOJ, & MSM all knowingly keep video evidence, now surfacing, hidden & suppressed from the defendants, not allowing them a complete defense....to make informed decisions on how to plead.....causing many to plead guilty rather than being hit with threatened outrageous prison terms.

A very few convictions might stand, but the appeals will be pouring in, many people will be set free, demon-RAT heads will roll, & copious reparations will have to be made.

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by scope on Mar 11th, 2023 at 10:06am
FMD,
Panther wrote.
"Jacob Chansley, for instance, was NOT violent but your mob made an example of him to push your agenda.  He was guided through the chamber by police who opened doors for him and escorted him around.  The worst he did was say a prayer on the Senate floor.   Yet he was sentenced to over 4 years in solitary confinement.  The footage was withheld from his lawyer even though he repeatedly made the requisite filings for it."

So the video footage of him walking into the building through a broken door and footage showing him inciting others to violence doesnt matter, just the footage, which you claim is him being peaceful means he is innocent? that was the footage which made him plead GUILTY.
He also lied to 60 minutes during an interview, claiming that police waved him through a door into the building, the video shows no police present at that door when he walked in.
buggeren idiot.

You have been sucked in by Fox once again  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Panther on Mar 11th, 2023 at 10:54am

scope wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 10:06am:
FMD,
Panther wrote.
"Jacob Chansley, for instance, was NOT violent but your mob made an example of him to push your agenda.  He was guided through the chamber by police who opened doors for him and escorted him around.  The worst he did was say a prayer on the Senate floor.   Yet he was sentenced to over 4 years in solitary confinement.  The footage was withheld from his lawyer even though he repeatedly made the requisite filings for it."

So the video footage of him walking into the building through a broken door and footage showing him inciting others to violence doesnt matter, just the footage, which you claim is him being peaceful means he is innocent? that was the footage which made him plead GUILTY.
He also lied to 60 minutes during an interview, claiming that police waved him through a door into the building, the video shows no police present at that door when he walked in.
buggeren idiot.

You have been sucked in by Fox once again  ;D ;D ;D ;D


FYD.....You have been sucked in by the Leftist MSM, the DNC, & The DOJ......& are still being suckered with your complete consent!



The inconvenient TRUTH ...... 10:21 thru 15:00

[media width=750]https://youtu.be/HPg9N_HiLMg[/media]


~AND~


From 0:05 thru 3:58

[media width=750]https://youtu.be/WTdL5VtjbtY[/media]



The inconvenient TRUTH will set many of them FREE......





Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by scope on Mar 11th, 2023 at 12:28pm
You havent just had a sip of the coolaid, you drank the whole barrel.
Poor sad gullible fool.

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Aussie on Mar 11th, 2023 at 12:49pm

Panther wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:00am:
..



What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6

A decision was made by the Jan. 6 committee and the media to avoid the possibility of
Any nuance whatsoever regarding the riots.





Source:      The Patriot Post    
Quote:
Jan. 6 was, according to White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre, “the worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War.” Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer explained that the riot of Jan. 6 was a “violent insurrection.” And in order to preserve democracy, Schumer stated, Fox News should take Tucker Carlson off the air.

What, pray tell, did Carlson do that merited the Senate Majority Leader calling for his silencing? After House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., granted him access to some 41,000 hours of as-yet-unreleased footage from Jan. 6, he aired a special in which he disclosed two particularly pertinent pieces of tape: first, tape showing Capitol Police apparently walking alongside the QAnon Shaman, Jacob Chansley, through the hallways; second, tape showing Officer Brian Sicknick gesturing animatedly to fellow officers after he had already been attacked by the crowd outside.

Carlson seemed to downplay the violence of the day based on the tape. He said, “A small percentage of them were hooligans. But the overwhelming majority weren’t. They were peaceful. They were orderly and meek. These were not insurrectionists — they were sightseers.”

Now, to be certain, a riot took place on Jan. 6. In that riot, dozens of officers were injured; some 1,000 people were arrested. But Carlson isn’t wrong that tape appears to show some of the people in the Capitol wandering around aimlessly, not violently, or that the media’s original portrayal of Sicknick’s death — it was widely reported that he had been directly murdered by the crowd — was incorrect.

Argue with Carlson’s framing all you want; I have significant disagreements with it. But it is clear that Jan. 6, as ugly as it was, was a riot and not a “danger to our democracy”; that many of those in the Capitol were in fact gawking rather than rioting; and that the Jan. 6 committee went out of its way to present certain footage but avoid other footage. A decision was made by the Jan. 6 committee and the media to avoid the possibility of any nuance whatsoever regarding the riots. Instead, the only acceptable narrative determined that a riot was an insurrection, that insurrection threatened the overthrow of the United States, and that the insurrection continues to percolate throughout conservative circles. Any mitigating evidence to that overblown narrative was discarded.

Supposedly, the best way to ensure that narrative was to ensure silence. But Schumer’s call to silence Carlson is precisely the reason Carlson’s report went viral in the first place. The media-Democratic complex keeps exaggerating narratives, eliding any countervailing information, and then seeking to censor those who present such information; they keep burying evidentiary landmines hoping they won’t be triggered. Then the landmines bow up, and they’re shocked at the explosion.

We couldn’t be given the footage, according to our media and political elites, lest we draw the wrong conclusions. Herein lies the problem: the best way to avoid the American people drawing the wrong conclusions is to present them with the full evidence, and then let them draw their own conclusions. And that’s precisely what the elites in our media and the Democratic Party won’t allow.


There was 41,000 hours of video regarding what really took place during the January 6th Riots....Demonstrations......that the American People have never seen.....kept under wraps by the Jan6 'Select Committee' & the MSM.....most probably because there are most likely contradictions between the political narrative they wished America to see, & what may cause America to pause, & step back to take in the actual picture.......to decide for themselves what actually happened as opposed to what the 'Select Committee' wished to paint for them.

I think we will probably be seeing a different perspective of events, in light of the release of all 41,000 hours of that day's activity, which may...or may not......cause opinions to change from where they were a few days/weeks/months back.

Bottom line, the American People don't take kindly to, or appreciate none to much, being kept from all the facts........especially if evidence reveals that they most probably have been hoodwinked....or worse.....been flatly lied to all along....up until this very day.

Get a small taste of what's to come in the video below.....


41 hours ey....video of an event which was over and done with well before the expiration of 41 hours.

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Panther on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:10pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 12:49pm:

Panther wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:00am:
..



What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6

A decision was made by the Jan. 6 committee and the media to avoid the possibility of
Any nuance whatsoever regarding the riots.





Source:      The Patriot Post    
Quote:
Jan. 6 was, according to White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre, “the worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War.” Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer explained that the riot of Jan. 6 was a “violent insurrection.” And in order to preserve democracy, Schumer stated, Fox News should take Tucker Carlson off the air.

What, pray tell, did Carlson do that merited the Senate Majority Leader calling for his silencing? After House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., granted him access to some 41,000 hours of as-yet-unreleased footage from Jan. 6, he aired a special in which he disclosed two particularly pertinent pieces of tape: first, tape showing Capitol Police apparently walking alongside the QAnon Shaman, Jacob Chansley, through the hallways; second, tape showing Officer Brian Sicknick gesturing animatedly to fellow officers after he had already been attacked by the crowd outside.

Carlson seemed to downplay the violence of the day based on the tape. He said, “A small percentage of them were hooligans. But the overwhelming majority weren’t. They were peaceful. They were orderly and meek. These were not insurrectionists — they were sightseers.”

Now, to be certain, a riot took place on Jan. 6. In that riot, dozens of officers were injured; some 1,000 people were arrested. But Carlson isn’t wrong that tape appears to show some of the people in the Capitol wandering around aimlessly, not violently, or that the media’s original portrayal of Sicknick’s death — it was widely reported that he had been directly murdered by the crowd — was incorrect.

Argue with Carlson’s framing all you want; I have significant disagreements with it. But it is clear that Jan. 6, as ugly as it was, was a riot and not a “danger to our democracy”; that many of those in the Capitol were in fact gawking rather than rioting; and that the Jan. 6 committee went out of its way to present certain footage but avoid other footage. A decision was made by the Jan. 6 committee and the media to avoid the possibility of any nuance whatsoever regarding the riots. Instead, the only acceptable narrative determined that a riot was an insurrection, that insurrection threatened the overthrow of the United States, and that the insurrection continues to percolate throughout conservative circles. Any mitigating evidence to that overblown narrative was discarded.

Supposedly, the best way to ensure that narrative was to ensure silence. But Schumer’s call to silence Carlson is precisely the reason Carlson’s report went viral in the first place. The media-Democratic complex keeps exaggerating narratives, eliding any countervailing information, and then seeking to censor those who present such information; they keep burying evidentiary landmines hoping they won’t be triggered. Then the landmines bow up, and they’re shocked at the explosion.

We couldn’t be given the footage, according to our media and political elites, lest we draw the wrong conclusions. Herein lies the problem: the best way to avoid the American people drawing the wrong conclusions is to present them with the full evidence, and then let them draw their own conclusions. And that’s precisely what the elites in our media and the Democratic Party won’t allow.


There was 41,000 hours of video regarding what really took place during the January 6th Riots....Demonstrations......that the American People have never seen.....kept under wraps by the Jan6 'Select Committee' & the MSM.....most probably because there are most likely contradictions between the political narrative they wished America to see, & what may cause America to pause, & step back to take in the actual picture.......to decide for themselves what actually happened as opposed to what the 'Select Committee' wished to paint for them.

I think we will probably be seeing a different perspective of events, in light of the release of all 41,000 hours of that day's activity, which may...or may not......cause opinions to change from where they were a few days/weeks/months back.

Bottom line, the American People don't take kindly to, or appreciate none to much, being kept from all the facts........especially if evidence reveals that they most probably have been hoodwinked....or worse.....been flatly lied to all along....up until this very day.

Get a small taste of what's to come in the video below.....


41 hours ey....video of an event which was over and done with well before the expiration of 41 hours.


Sounded a tad much to me too. I've also see the 14,000 number as well. Whatever the number, it's still a fact that video recordings, like the new ones we've seen, were knowingly suppressed & withheld illegally by the government.

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by scope on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:13pm
You do realise that there is more than one camera, dont you?  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Jan 6 = Terrorism
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:14pm

Trump terrorists in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXnHIJkZZAs

Violent traitors.  Lock 'em up!


Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Dnarever on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:20pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 12:49pm:
41 hours ey....video of an event which was over and done with well before the expiration of 41 hours.


You get that if you record 4 hours on 10 cameras you will have 40 hours of recording ?

OR what are you trying to say?

Title: Re: Jan 6 = Terrorism
Post by Panther on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:21pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:14pm:
Trump terrorists in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXnHIJkZZAs

Violent traitors.  Lock 'em up!


The small criminal element within the throngs of peaceable demonstrators should pay for their criminal activity, but too many innocent people were also caught in the net, & they will be eventually set free.


Title: Re: Jan 6 = Terrorism
Post by Dnarever on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:23pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:14pm:
Trump terrorists in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXnHIJkZZAs

Violent traitors.  Lock 'em up!


That can't be right. where is the cake and bickies ?

Title: Re: Jan 6 = Terrorism
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:36pm

Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:14pm:
Trump terrorists in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXnHIJkZZAs

Violent traitors.  Lock 'em up!


That can't be right. where is the cake and bickies ?


It's worrying to know that there are people stupid enough to think that video footage of the terrorists being calm and peaceful is proof that they were always calm and peaceful.

I just find it so hard to believe that people are that stupid - but they are.  They prove it every day on this forum.

If somebody took video footage inside the planes that were used in the 9/11 attack as they were heading down the runway, they'd see hundreds of passengers (including the terrorists) sitting down, buckled up, and looking through the flight magazine.

According to Panther and his terrorist-supporting friends, this proves that nothing bad happened that day.

FFS, these people need help.

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Panther on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:42pm
The small criminal element within the throngs of peaceable demonstrators should pay for their criminal activity, but too many innocent people were also caught in the net, & they must be set free.

Title: Re: Jan 6 = Terrorism
Post by Dnarever on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:48pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:36pm:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:14pm:
Trump terrorists in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXnHIJkZZAs

Violent traitors.  Lock 'em up!


That can't be right. where is the cake and bickies ?


It's worrying to know that there are people stupid enough to think that video footage of the terrorists being calm and peaceful is proof that they were always calm and peaceful.

I just find it so hard to believe that people are that stupid - but they are.  They prove it every day on this forum.

If somebody took video footage inside the planes that were used in the 9/11 attack as they were heading down the runway, they'd see hundreds of passengers (including the terrorists) sitting down, buckled up, and looking through the flight magazine.

According to Panther and his terrorist-supporting friends, this proves that nothing bad happened that day.

FFS, these people need help.


Yes the 9/11 terrorists were badly treated, They were seen drinking coffee and eating cake earlier on their flights

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Aussie on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:58pm

Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:20pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 12:49pm:
41 hours ey....video of an event which was over and done with well before the expiration of 41 hours.


You get that if you record 4 hours on 10 cameras you will have 40 hours of recording ?

OR what are you trying to say?


Mate, you know (or should know) the story.  Even GOP Politicians are not buying this crap.

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Dnarever on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:59pm
It has been shown in court that virtually all of the FOX hosts do not do news and that they all knowingly lie on their broadcasts.

Even Rupert confirmed that that is true in most cases. Fox have always been a conservative political support broadcaster they have never been a NEWS outlet.

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 11th, 2023 at 2:08pm

Panther wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:42pm:
The small criminal element within the throngs of peaceable demonstrators should pay for their criminal activity, but too many innocent people were also caught in the net, & they must be set free.


They'll have their day in court.

If they're innocent, they will be set free.

Most of the people arrested, however, have pleaded guilty.


Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 11th, 2023 at 2:29pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 2:08pm:

Panther wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:42pm:
The small criminal element within the throngs of peaceable demonstrators should pay for their criminal activity, but too many innocent people were also caught in the net, & they must be set free.


They'll have their day in court.

If they're innocent, they will be set free.

Most of the people arrested, however, have pleaded guilty.



"Approximately 518 individuals have pleaded guilty to a variety of federal charges, many of whom faced or will face incarceration at sentencing."

26 Months Since the Jan. 6 Attack on the Capitol

"Approximately 420 federal defendants have had their cases adjudicated and received sentences for their criminal activity on Jan. 6. Approximately 220 have been sentenced to periods of incarceration. Approximately 100 defendants have been sentenced to a period of home detention, including approximately 15 who also were sentenced to a period of incarceration."


Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by scope on Mar 11th, 2023 at 2:44pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:58pm:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:20pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 12:49pm:
41 hours ey....video of an event which was over and done with well before the expiration of 41 hours.


You get that if you record 4 hours on 10 cameras you will have 40 hours of recording ?

OR what are you trying to say?


Mate, you know (or should know) the story.  Even GOP Politicians are not buying this crap.


Apparently, the capitol police have access to 1800 cameras. So 41,000 hours is possible however most early reports stated 14,000 hours, some reporter buggered up with the 41,000 figure maybe?

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Panther on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:36pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 2:08pm:

Panther wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:42pm:
The small criminal element within the throngs of peaceable demonstrators should pay for their criminal activity, but too many innocent people were also caught in the net, & they must be set free.


They'll have their day in court.

If they're innocent, they will be set free.

Most of the people arrested, however, have pleaded guilty.



Quote:
"Approximately 518 individuals have pleaded guilty to a variety of federal charges, many of whom faced or will face incarceration at sentencing."


Ah yes, but how many of those 518 individuals were denied due process....their Constitutional Rights to be given all the collected evidence the prosecution has....good or bad.....for them to use in court, or to determine their defense in at trial. 

Failure on the part of the Government would be grounds for dismissal of charges.....set aside all trial verdicts.....voiding any plea deals, & set grounds for appeals to the highest appellate courts.....ultimately including SCOTUS.  


Source:      U.S. Dept. of Justice      
Quote:
The Supreme Court has explained, disclosure is constitutionally required when evidence in the possession of the prosecutor or prosecution team is material to guilt, innocence or punishment.


Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:39pm

Panther wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 2:08pm:

Panther wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:42pm:
The small criminal element within the throngs of peaceable demonstrators should pay for their criminal activity, but too many innocent people were also caught in the net, & they must be set free.


They'll have their day in court.

If they're innocent, they will be set free.

Most of the people arrested, however, have pleaded guilty.



Quote:
"Approximately 518 individuals have pleaded guilty to a variety of federal charges, many of whom faced or will face incarceration at sentencing."


Ah yes, but how many of those 518 individuals were denied due process....


Dunno.  How many?

If you think some were, you would need to provide the proof.

Also, they pleaded guilty - do you understand what that means?


Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Aussie on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:41pm

Panther wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 2:08pm:

Panther wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:42pm:
The small criminal element within the throngs of peaceable demonstrators should pay for their criminal activity, but too many innocent people were also caught in the net, & they must be set free.


They'll have their day in court.

If they're innocent, they will be set free.

Most of the people arrested, however, have pleaded guilty.



Quote:
"Approximately 518 individuals have pleaded guilty to a variety of federal charges, many of whom faced or will face incarceration at sentencing."


Ah yes, but how many of those 518 individuals were denied due process....their Constitutional Rights to be given all the collected evidence the prosecution has....good or bad.....for them to use in court, or to determine their defense in at trial.   


Source:      U.S. Dept. of Justice      [quote]The Supreme Court has explained, disclosure is constitutionally required when evidence in the possession of the prosecutor or prosecution team is material to guilt, innocence or punishment.

[/quote]
You tell us, dick head.

After all, they pleaded guilty.

So, name these people you assert have been denied their rights....or alternatively, just shut the fuq up with your incessant right wing garbage and take the latest wanker, Boris, with you.

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Panther on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:49pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:41pm:

Panther wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 2:08pm:

Panther wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:42pm:
The small criminal element within the throngs of peaceable demonstrators should pay for their criminal activity, but too many innocent people were also caught in the net, & they must be set free.


They'll have their day in court.

If they're innocent, they will be set free.

Most of the people arrested, however, have pleaded guilty.



Quote:
"Approximately 518 individuals have pleaded guilty to a variety of federal charges, many of whom faced or will face incarceration at sentencing."


Ah yes, but how many of those 518 individuals were denied due process....their Constitutional Rights to be given all the collected evidence the prosecution has....good or bad.....for them to use in court, or to determine their defense in at trial.   


Source:      U.S. Dept. of Justice      [quote]The Supreme Court has explained, disclosure is constitutionally required when evidence in the possession of the prosecutor or prosecution team is material to guilt, innocence or punishment.

You tell us, dick head.

After all, they pleaded guilty.

So, name these people you assert have been denied their rights....
[/quote]

I don't have to....undoubtedly there are many legal teams....among them the powerful ACLU....amassing all the petitions to be presented in Federal Court for those claiming their Constitutional Rights to Discovery have been denied them.

So, now all you non-American legal wannabees, you can all collectively go friggin piss up a rope.....or as an alternative, go suck puss & wind out of a dead camels ass!!! 

Thank you Mr. Speaker of the House, & Mr. Tucker Carlson for making all this possible!!!  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:56pm

Panther wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:49pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:41pm:

Panther wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 2:08pm:

Panther wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:42pm:
The small criminal element within the throngs of peaceable demonstrators should pay for their criminal activity, but too many innocent people were also caught in the net, & they must be set free.


They'll have their day in court.

If they're innocent, they will be set free.

Most of the people arrested, however, have pleaded guilty.



Quote:
"Approximately 518 individuals have pleaded guilty to a variety of federal charges, many of whom faced or will face incarceration at sentencing."


Ah yes, but how many of those 518 individuals were denied due process....their Constitutional Rights to be given all the collected evidence the prosecution has....good or bad.....for them to use in court, or to determine their defense in at trial.   


Source:      U.S. Dept. of Justice      [quote]The Supreme Court has explained, disclosure is constitutionally required when evidence in the possession of the prosecutor or prosecution team is material to guilt, innocence or punishment.

You tell us, dick head.

After all, they pleaded guilty.

So, name these people you assert have been denied their rights....


I don't have to....
[/quote]

Yes, you do.

The onus is on you to provide proof of your ridiculous claim.

These people pleaded guilty - thus, they are guilty of the offences.

Case closed.

Why do you continually defend criminals?  Are you a convicted criminal?

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Panther on Mar 11th, 2023 at 4:10pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:56pm:

Panther wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:49pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:41pm:

Panther wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 2:08pm:

Panther wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:42pm:
The small criminal element within the throngs of peaceable demonstrators should pay for their criminal activity, but too many innocent people were also caught in the net, & they must be set free.


They'll have their day in court.

If they're innocent, they will be set free.

Most of the people arrested, however, have pleaded guilty.



Quote:
"Approximately 518 individuals have pleaded guilty to a variety of federal charges, many of whom faced or will face incarceration at sentencing."


Ah yes, but how many of those 518 individuals were denied due process....their Constitutional Rights to be given all the collected evidence the prosecution has....good or bad.....for them to use in court, or to determine their defense in at trial.   


Source:      U.S. Dept. of Justice      [quote]The Supreme Court has explained, disclosure is constitutionally required when evidence in the possession of the prosecutor or prosecution team is material to guilt, innocence or punishment.

You tell us, dick head.

After all, they pleaded guilty.

So, name these people you assert have been denied their rights....


I don't have to....


Yes, you do.

The onus is on you to provide proof of your ridiculous claim.

These people pleaded guilty - thus, they are guilty of the offences.

Case closed.

You continually defend criminals?  Are you a convicted criminal?[/quote]


Quote:
"Approximately 518 individuals have pleaded guilty to a variety of federal charges, many of whom faced or will face incarceration at sentencing."


Ah yes, but how many of those 518 individuals were denied due process....their Constitutional Rights to be given all the collected evidence the prosecution has....good or bad.....for them to use in court, or to determine their defense in at trial.

➤➤➤ Failure on the part of the Government would be grounds for dismissal of charges.....set aside all trial verdicts.....voiding any plea deals, & set grounds for appeals to the highest appellate courts.....ultimately including SCOTUS. 


➤ Source:      U.S. Dept. of Justice      
Quote:
The Supreme Court has explained, disclosure is constitutionally required when evidence in the possession of the prosecutor or prosecution team is material to guilt, innocence or punishment.


➤➤➤ Now, see how much American Law you know nothing about....asshole!


Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 11th, 2023 at 4:16pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:56pm:

Panther wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:49pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:41pm:

Panther wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 2:08pm:

Panther wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:42pm:
The small criminal element within the throngs of peaceable demonstrators should pay for their criminal activity, but too many innocent people were also caught in the net, & they must be set free.


They'll have their day in court.

If they're innocent, they will be set free.

Most of the people arrested, however, have pleaded guilty.



Quote:
"Approximately 518 individuals have pleaded guilty to a variety of federal charges, many of whom faced or will face incarceration at sentencing."


Ah yes, but how many of those 518 individuals were denied due process....their Constitutional Rights to be given all the collected evidence the prosecution has....good or bad.....for them to use in court, or to determine their defense in at trial.   


Source:      U.S. Dept. of Justice      [quote]The Supreme Court has explained, disclosure is constitutionally required when evidence in the possession of the prosecutor or prosecution team is material to guilt, innocence or punishment.

You tell us, dick head.

After all, they pleaded guilty.

So, name these people you assert have been denied their rights....


I don't have to....


Yes, you do.

The onus is on you to provide proof of your ridiculous claim.

These people pleaded guilty - thus, they are guilty of the offences.

Case closed.

Why do you continually defend criminals?  Are you a convicted criminal?[/quote]

Panther?


Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Aussie on Mar 11th, 2023 at 4:16pm

Quote:
Ah yes, but how many of those 518 individuals were denied due process....their Constitutional Rights to be given all the collected evidence the prosecution has....good or bad.....for them to use in court, or to determine their defense in at trial.


You tell us, you fuqwit!

All, I know is that they pleaded guilty.

You tell us how many now claim they were denied rights.

Go ahead.

Or shut up with your crap.

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Panther on Mar 11th, 2023 at 4:29pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 4:16pm:

Quote:
Ah yes, but how many of those 518 individuals were denied due process....their Constitutional Rights to be given all the collected evidence the prosecution has....good or bad.....for them to use in court, or to determine their defense in at trial.


You tell us, you fuqwit!

All, I know is that they pleaded guilty.

You tell us how many now claim they were denied rights.

Go ahead.

Or shut up with your crap.



I don't have to...& won't......undoubtedly there are many legal teams....among them the powerful ACLU....amassing all the petitions to be presented in Federal Court for those claiming their Constitutional Rights to Discovery have been denied them.

Source:      U.S. Dept. of Justice      
Quote:
The Supreme Court has explained, disclosure is constitutionally required when evidence in the possession of the prosecutor or prosecution team is material to guilt, innocence or punishment.


So, now all you non-American legal wannabees, you can all collectively go friggin piss up a rope.....or as an alternative, go suck puss & wind out of a dead camels ass!!! 

Thank you Mr. Speaker of the House, & Mr. Tucker Carlson for making all this possible!!!  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 11th, 2023 at 4:33pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:56pm:

Panther wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:49pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:41pm:

Panther wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 2:08pm:

Panther wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:42pm:
The small criminal element within the throngs of peaceable demonstrators should pay for their criminal activity, but too many innocent people were also caught in the net, & they must be set free.


They'll have their day in court.

If they're innocent, they will be set free.

Most of the people arrested, however, have pleaded guilty.



Quote:
"Approximately 518 individuals have pleaded guilty to a variety of federal charges, many of whom faced or will face incarceration at sentencing."


Ah yes, but how many of those 518 individuals were denied due process....their Constitutional Rights to be given all the collected evidence the prosecution has....good or bad.....for them to use in court, or to determine their defense in at trial.   


Source:      U.S. Dept. of Justice      [quote]The Supreme Court has explained, disclosure is constitutionally required when evidence in the possession of the prosecutor or prosecution team is material to guilt, innocence or punishment.

You tell us, dick head.

After all, they pleaded guilty.

So, name these people you assert have been denied their rights....


I don't have to....


Yes, you do.

The onus is on you to provide proof of your ridiculous claim.

These people pleaded guilty - thus, they are guilty of the offences.

Case closed.

Why do you continually defend criminals?  Are you a convicted criminal?[/quote]

Panther - have you been convicted of violent crimes?


Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Panther on Mar 11th, 2023 at 5:02pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 4:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:56pm:

Panther wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:49pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:41pm:

Panther wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 2:08pm:

Panther wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:42pm:
The small criminal element within the throngs of peaceable demonstrators should pay for their criminal activity, but too many innocent people were also caught in the net, & they must be set free.


They'll have their day in court.

If they're innocent, they will be set free.

Most of the people arrested, however, have pleaded guilty.



Quote:
"Approximately 518 individuals have pleaded guilty to a variety of federal charges, many of whom faced or will face incarceration at sentencing."


Ah yes, but how many of those 518 individuals were denied due process....their Constitutional Rights to be given all the collected evidence the prosecution has....good or bad.....for them to use in court, or to determine their defense in at trial.   


Source:      U.S. Dept. of Justice      [quote]The Supreme Court has explained, disclosure is constitutionally required when evidence in the possession of the prosecutor or prosecution team is material to guilt, innocence or punishment.

You tell us, dick head.

After all, they pleaded guilty.

So, name these people you assert have been denied their rights....


I don't have to....


Yes, you do.

The onus is on you to provide proof of your ridiculous claim.

These people pleaded guilty - thus, they are guilty of the offences.

Case closed.

Why do you continually defend criminals? 



I don't defend criminals, I defend the US Constitution, & every American's Constitutional Right to a fair & impartial trial.

American Law & Justice always takes into account that every person must be considered innocent until they are fairly tried, & a jury of their peers finds them guilty based on all evidence. 

If you believe that that constitutes a defense of defendants before they are tried & convicted by a jury, then so be it.

If I take sides, 99 out of 100 times I will most likely take the side of the defendant until, after both sides have rested, a jury unanimously finds guilt on the State's charges.







Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 11th, 2023 at 5:24pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 4:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:56pm:

Panther wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:49pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:41pm:

Panther wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 3:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 2:08pm:

Panther wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 1:42pm:
The small criminal element within the throngs of peaceable demonstrators should pay for their criminal activity, but too many innocent people were also caught in the net, & they must be set free.


They'll have their day in court.

If they're innocent, they will be set free.

Most of the people arrested, however, have pleaded guilty.



Quote:
"Approximately 518 individuals have pleaded guilty to a variety of federal charges, many of whom faced or will face incarceration at sentencing."


Ah yes, but how many of those 518 individuals were denied due process....their Constitutional Rights to be given all the collected evidence the prosecution has....good or bad.....for them to use in court, or to determine their defense in at trial.   


Source:      U.S. Dept. of Justice      [quote]The Supreme Court has explained, disclosure is constitutionally required when evidence in the possession of the prosecutor or prosecution team is material to guilt, innocence or punishment.

You tell us, dick head.

After all, they pleaded guilty.

So, name these people you assert have been denied their rights....


I don't have to....


Yes, you do.

The onus is on you to provide proof of your ridiculous claim.

These people pleaded guilty - thus, they are guilty of the offences.

Case closed.

Why do you continually defend criminals?  Are you a convicted criminal?


Panther - have you been convicted of violent crimes?

[/quote]

Panther?


Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Baronvonrort on Mar 11th, 2023 at 7:09pm
Jacob Chansleys lawyer interview.

He asked for video they didn't give it to him.

I doubt anyone in this forum will listen to the lawyer who represented Jacob they have closed minds and follow the narrative.

Jacob walked in the front door was guided around even gave a prayer thanking police inside white house for helping him  when he left he told eveyone on his bullhorn to go home in peace

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTdL5VtjbtY

More police were injured in this BLM riot in Washington DC than on Jan 6
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_Washington,_D.C.

Title: Jan 6 - Terrorist Attack
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 11th, 2023 at 7:29pm

"Approximately 518 individuals have pleaded guilty to a variety of federal charges, many of whom faced or will face incarceration at sentencing."

26 Months Since the Jan. 6 Attack on the Capitol

"Approximately 420 federal defendants have had their cases adjudicated and received sentences for their criminal activity on Jan. 6. Approximately 220 have been sentenced to periods of incarceration. Approximately 100 defendants have been sentenced to a period of home detention, including approximately 15 who also were sentenced to a period of incarceration."

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Baronvonrort on Mar 11th, 2023 at 7:34pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 7:09pm:
Jacob Chansleys lawyer interview.

He asked for video they didn't give it to him.

I doubt anyone in this forum will listen to the lawyer who represented Jacob they have closed minds and follow the narrative.

Jacob walked in the front door was guided around even gave a prayer thanking police inside white house for helping him  when he left he told eveyone on his bullhorn to go home in peace

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTdL5VtjbtY

More police were injured in this BLM riot in Washington DC than on Jan 6
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_Washington,_D.C.


Any comments on what JCs lawyer said about this miscarriage of justice?

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Panther on Mar 13th, 2023 at 5:41pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 5:24pm:
Panther - have you been convicted of violent crimes?



No, never.....  ;)

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Dnarever on Mar 13th, 2023 at 5:55pm

Quote:
the Justice Department contended that it had shipped all but 10 seconds of the footage to Chansley’s attorney by Sept. 24, 2021 — about three weeks after Chansley pleaded guilty but more than a month before his sentencing.

prosecutors indicated that Carlson aired footage only from a four-minute period toward the end of Chansley’s hourlong trip through the Capitol, omitting the most incriminating aspects of his conduct.


https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/12/qanon-shaman-jacob-chansley-footage-00086703



Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Dnarever on Mar 13th, 2023 at 6:05pm
Dishonest people still trying to defend the indefensible.

Just more fiction from Tuckems the liar.

Fox Pgnda's court defence of Tucker - Nobody believes Tucker -


Quote:
Now comes the claim that you can't expect to literally believe the words that come out of Carlson's mouth. And that assertion is not coming from Carlson's critics. It's being made by a federal judge in the Southern District of New York and by Fox News's own lawyers in defending Carlson against accusations of slander. It worked, by the way.

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-believe-the-facts-tucker-carlson-tells-you-so-say-fox-s-lawye


This was before the current case where they went for the same defense - No tucker does not tell the truth - apparently none of them do.

Tucker likely questioned the validity of the 2020 election for over 100 hours or more onair, In court his testimony was that he knew Biden had won fairly from day one. All the other fox hosts held the same belief 100% of them and the directors and the producers the editors and management right up to and including Rupert.

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Xavier on Mar 13th, 2023 at 6:33pm
Spot the difference.

Tens of thousands of BLM's for a 'junkie' overdose while being restrained by a Cop who has had on two previous occasions nearly lost his life to the 'unpredictable' behaviour of criminal junkies - RIOT ACROSS AMERICA: BURNING ' INNOCENT' CITIZEN BUSINESSES AND POSSESSIONS, LOOTING, RAPING, KILLING, BASHING, DESTROYING ANYTHING AND ANYONE.

While a number of 100's of NERDS protest storm a Government Building for Political reasons and just achieve 'messing up paperwork' with a few being shot by the HEAVILY ARMED SECURITY.

If this isn't a Corrupt Democrat Government that gets the Media to inflame the 'Protest' while quietly shoving the TERRORISM OF THE BLM RIOTS under the rug, not to be seen - to support their Narrative... then what is?

To claim in their Corruption - an attack on the Democrats is an attack on Democracy proves their guilt to hold onto their 'out dated' grip on Power.


The European comparison.

Confederate 'Rednecks' of the Grey South = Germany (Nazi)
Democrat 'Gays' of the Blue North = France
American Media = Italy (the Mafia)

It is the British who hold fast to true 'Western' Politics and neither the Confeds, the Democrats or the Media seem to oblige the People of the USA to enjoy 'true Politics' (for those 'three' got rid of the British 'Holy Grail' long ago and thus the USA experienced it's 'FALL' like Judaism).

One day, the USA will return to the 'Commonwealth' after Britain is gone upon the Italian betrayal in Europe.
Only then - will it truly be 'Western' in its Politics.

It has only just begun.

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 13th, 2023 at 6:49pm

Panther wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 5:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 5:24pm:
Panther - have you been convicted of violent crimes?



No, never.....  ;)


Not violent ones.  Okay.

What sort then?


Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Dnarever on Mar 13th, 2023 at 6:59pm

Jasin wrote on Mar 13th, 2023 at 6:33pm:
Spot the difference.

Tens of thousands of BLM's for a 'junkie' overdose while being restrained by a Cop who has had on two previous occasions nearly lost his life to the 'unpredictable' behaviour of criminal junkies - RIOT ACROSS AMERICA: BURNING ' INNOCENT' CITIZEN BUSINESSES AND POSSESSIONS, LOOTING, RAPING, KILLING, BASHING, DESTROYING ANYTHING AND ANYONE.

While a number of 100's of NERDS protest storm a Government Building for Political reasons and just achieve 'messing up paperwork' with a few being shot by the HEAVILY ARMED SECURITY.

If this isn't a Corrupt Democrat Government that gets the Media to inflame the 'Protest' while quietly shoving the TERRORISM OF THE BLM RIOTS under the rug, not to be seen - to support their Narrative... then what is?

To claim in their Corruption - an attack on the Democrats is an attack on Democracy proves their guilt to hold onto their 'out dated' grip on Power.


The European comparison.

Confederate 'Rednecks' of the Grey South = Germany (Nazi)
Democrat 'Gays' of the Blue North = France
American Media = Italy (the Mafia)

It is the British who hold fast to true 'Western' Politics and neither the Confeds, the Democrats or the Media seem to oblige the People of the USA to enjoy 'true Politics' (for those 'three' got rid of the British 'Holy Grail' long ago and thus the USA experienced it's 'FALL' like Judaism).

One day, the USA will return to the 'Commonwealth' after Britain is gone upon the Italian betrayal in Europe.
Only then - will it truly be 'Western' in its Politics.

It has only just begun.


Difficult to believe that anyone could believe any of this.

Just so you know over 2,000 people who acted badly on BLM were convicted of crimes. Nobody is trying to defend these people.

The Jan 6th insurrectionists deserve the same.

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Captain Caveman on Mar 14th, 2023 at 2:30pm

Black Orchid wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:49am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:25am:

Black Orchid wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:12am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:03am:
You should be embarrassed.

Tuckers lies can be safely ignored and should be.


So actual footage that was intentionally withheld by the FBI and DOJ is "Tucker's lies" in your mind?

You're the one who should be embarrassed or, more specifically, sectioned.




Quote:
So actual footage that was intentionally withheld by the FBI and DOJ


If you have 40 hours of film of someone who is going to commit a crime do you show the clip of him going to the rest room at 10:30 or the clip of him robbing the bank at 11:30 ?

Tuckems is showing the rest room visit. See all is OK - He is innocent.

Is that how it is meant to work?


The majority of the crowd were peaceful and just wandered around, mostly being guided by the police.  Those idiots that were violent deserve to be punished.

Jacob Chansley, for instance, was NOT violent but your mob made an example of him to push your agenda.  He was guided through the chamber by police who opened doors for him and escorted him around.  The worst he did was say a prayer on the Senate floor.   Yet he was sentenced to over 4 years in solitary confinement.  The footage was withheld from his lawyer even though he repeatedly made the requisite filings for it.

He's wandering around chatting happily to up to 9 cops who found him to be NO threat.

Should ALL the footage be shown or just what you lot cherry pick for your agenda.

Then we have Brian Sicknick who your lot keep disingenuously parroting was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher.  Yet he's happily wandering around chatting and picking up rubbish hours after the event.

You said you have not seen even the footage yet you still parrot lies and cast judgment.   Is this how you think justice should work? 

At least try to show some integrity.




Great post. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Captain Caveman on Mar 14th, 2023 at 2:45pm
If evidence was deliberately withheld from court proceedings, after a request for the material had been made by the defendant, then that sentence cannot be upheld.
How can it be?
The sentence was handed down based on partial evidence.
The defendant has a right to a proper hearing, not a "set up" hearing.

These videos should have been Aired back then.
That way there is no "agenda" highlighted like there is now.
It was wrong of them to be classified.

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 14th, 2023 at 2:52pm

Captain Caveman wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 2:45pm:
If evidence was deliberately withheld from court proceedings, after a request for the material had been made by the defendant, then that sentence cannot be upheld.
How can it be?
The sentence was handed down based on partial evidence.
The defendant has a right to a proper hearing, not a "set up" hearing.

These videos should have been Aired back then.
That way there is no "agenda" highlighted like there is now.
It was wrong of them to be classified.


Get Rudy onto it.

Let us know how that works out for you, okay?   ;)

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 14th, 2023 at 2:54pm

Black Orchid wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:49am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:25am:

Black Orchid wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:12am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:03am:
You should be embarrassed.

Tuckers lies can be safely ignored and should be.


So actual footage that was intentionally withheld by the FBI and DOJ is "Tucker's lies" in your mind?

You're the one who should be embarrassed or, more specifically, sectioned.




Quote:
So actual footage that was intentionally withheld by the FBI and DOJ


If you have 40 hours of film of someone who is going to commit a crime do you show the clip of him going to the rest room at 10:30 or the clip of him robbing the bank at 11:30 ?

Tuckems is showing the rest room visit. See all is OK - He is innocent.

Is that how it is meant to work?


The majority of the crowd were peaceful and just wandered around, mostly being guided by the police.  ...


Nope.

That was the minority.

Most of them were violent and destructive.

Many are now in prison, where they belong.

Life is good   :)

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by philperth2010 on Mar 14th, 2023 at 2:56pm
The Q Anon dickhead pleaded guilty....His lawyer was a flake whom the judge did not believe....Dickheads!!!


Quote:
Chansley was arrested Jan. 9, 2021 – three days after the Capitol riot – and faced with six charges. He pleaded guilty to obstruction of an official proceeding and was sentenced to 41 months in prison in November 2021.

A statement from the government, signed by Chansley and his attorney to be "true and accurate," says that Chansley unlawfully entered the Capitol building through a broken down door with a mob of rioters. A video clip of the initial break-in to the building does not show Chansley accompanied by the police as he enters the building.

The group then moved to the second floor of the Senate side of the building where it was met by several Capitol Police officers who instructed them “to peacefully leave the building,” according to the statement. Chansley challenged Capitol Police officer Keith Robishaw to let them pass, ultimately “using his bullhorn to rile up the crowd.”

Chansley then "entered the gallery of the Senate alone" and “proceeded to scream obscenities,” the statement says.

After Chansley moved to the Senate chamber, Robishaw asked him multiple times to leave, according to the statement. In the HBO documentary “Four Hours at the Capitol,” Robishaw recounts being the only police officer in the chamber at the time.


::) ::) ::)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fact-check-false-claim-about-jacob-chansley-the-qanon-shaman-amid-jan-6-tapes-reveal/ar-AA18zrsa

You will not see this video on Tucker Carlson or Fox

https://youtu.be/270F8s5TEKY

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Captain Caveman on Mar 14th, 2023 at 2:57pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 2:52pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 2:45pm:
If evidence was deliberately withheld from court proceedings, after a request for the material had been made by the defendant, then that sentence cannot be upheld.
How can it be?
The sentence was handed down based on partial evidence.
The defendant has a right to a proper hearing, not a "set up" hearing.

These videos should have been Aired back then.
That way there is no "agenda" highlighted like there is now.
It was wrong of them to be classified.


Get Rudy onto it.

Let us know how that works out for you, okay?   ;)




Dunno what you're on about, however what I posted is correct.

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 14th, 2023 at 2:59pm

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 2:56pm:
The Q Anon dickhead pleaded guilty....


Exactly!

600 of them have pleaded guilty.

Seems some people don't know what "guilty" means.

Let 'em rot in prison. 

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Dnarever on Mar 14th, 2023 at 6:27pm

Captain Caveman wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 2:45pm:
If evidence was deliberately withheld from court proceedings, after a request for the material had been made by the defendant, then that sentence cannot be upheld.
How can it be?
The sentence was handed down based on partial evidence.
The defendant has a right to a proper hearing, not a "set up" hearing.

These videos should have been Aired back then.
That way there is no "agenda" highlighted like there is now.
It was wrong of them to be classified.


There was a case since the Tuckers lie broadcast where they defendant asked for the case to be thrown out because of this evidence. The DOJ were able to show that the defendants legal team were given all of the video.

The DOJ also gave Tucker a real good dressing down. None of this evidence is exculpatory either.

It is embarrassing that anyone takes the Tucker lies seriously.

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Baronvonrort on Mar 14th, 2023 at 6:42pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 7:34pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 7:09pm:
Jacob Chansleys lawyer interview.

He asked for video they didn't give it to him.

I doubt anyone in this forum will listen to the lawyer who represented Jacob they have closed minds and follow the narrative.

Jacob walked in the front door was guided around even gave a prayer thanking police inside white house for helping him  when he left he told eveyone on his bullhorn to go home in peace

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTdL5VtjbtY

More police were injured in this BLM riot in Washington DC than on Jan 6
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_Washington,_D.C.


Any comments on what JCs lawyer said about this miscarriage of justice?


His lawyer says he wasn't given video despite asking for it.


Quote:
Censored video re-emerges of Jacob Chansley reading Trump’s tweet, telling protestors to GO HOME and remain peaceful..

WON’T SEE THIS ON CNN…


https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1634039108958932995


Trumps tweet telling everyone to go home was also censored by twitter.

He walked in dodn't vandalise or steal anything said a prayer thanking police for helping then told everyone to go home in peace.

He is a political prisoner.

We have exposed lies from leftists on Officer Sicknick who was picking up papers after protestors left he was not bashed with a fire extinguisher like leftists claimed with lies.



Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Dnarever on Mar 14th, 2023 at 6:55pm
DOJ say wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=y_xH-4SqKtA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=y_xH-4SqKtA

The DOJ filing is shown at about 4:20 on the youtube video.

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by aquascoot on Mar 14th, 2023 at 6:59pm
january 6  ?

a few high spirited individuals went on a tour of the capital building and took selfies.

total nothing burger.

ive seen more angry emotions at a suburban under 15's rugby league match

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by aquascoot on Mar 14th, 2023 at 7:03pm
even the french can put on a better riot

[mediahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um0rDbolMaA][/media]

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Dnarever on Mar 14th, 2023 at 7:04pm

aquascoot wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 6:59pm:
january 6  ?

a few high spirited individuals went on a tour of the capital building and took selfies.

total nothing burger.

ive seen more angry emotions at a suburban under 15's rugby league match


You should not embarrass yourself just for the shock value, it works badly for you.

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by philperth2010 on Mar 14th, 2023 at 7:10pm

aquascoot wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 6:59pm:
january 6  ?

a few high spirited individuals went on a tour of the capital building and took selfies.

total nothing burger.

ive seen more angry emotions at a suburban under 15's rugby league match


So over 150 police officers were injured on Jan 6th and you compare it to a suburban under 15's rugby league match....You are a dickhead!!!


Quote:
Over a dozen police officers injured during the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol remain on medical leave, according to a report from CBS News. More than 150 law enforcement officers suffered injuries on Jan. 6 attack. Of those who reported injuries, 86 were Capitol Police officers and 65 were members of the Metropolitan Police Department.


::) ::) ::)

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/domestic-terrorism/556796-more-than-a-dozen-police-officers-still-on/#:~:text=Over%20a%20dozen%20police%20officers%20injured%20during%20the,65%20were%20members%20of%20the%20Metropolitan%20Police%20Department.

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Dnarever on Mar 14th, 2023 at 8:04pm

aquascoot wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 7:03pm:
even the french can put on a better riot


https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=y_xH-4SqKtA

even the french can put on a better lie

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Xavier on Mar 14th, 2023 at 9:35pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 2:59pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 2:56pm:
The Q Anon dickhead pleaded guilty....


Exactly!

600 of them have pleaded guilty.

Seems some people don't know what "guilty" means.

Let 'em rot in prison. 


You're an idiot.
I've pleaded 'guilty' when pulled over by a Cop and yet at Court, I wasn't charged - because I pleaded 'guilty'.
You have a lot to learn Gay Peccary.

I'm pretty sure those 600 'Protestors' pleaded Guilty because they DID enter the Government Building in Protest.
Do you think they would plead 'not guilty' as if to say they were not there, instead - it was their online Avatars doing the Protest? You're a fu*ckwit.  ::)

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by philperth2010 on Mar 14th, 2023 at 9:43pm

Jasin wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 9:35pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 2:59pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 2:56pm:
The Q Anon dickhead pleaded guilty....


Exactly!

600 of them have pleaded guilty.

Seems some people don't know what "guilty" means.

Let 'em rot in prison. 


You're an idiot.
I've pleaded 'guilty' when pulled over by a Cop and yet at Court, I wasn't charged - because I pleaded 'guilty'.
You have a lot to learn Gay Peccary.

I'm pretty sure those 600 'Protestors' pleaded Guilty because they DID enter the Government Building in Protest.
Do you think they would plead 'not guilty' as if to say they were not there, instead - it was their online Avatars doing the Protest? You're a fu*ckwit.  ::)



WTF???

:-? :-? :-?

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Dnarever on Mar 14th, 2023 at 9:54pm

Jasin wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 9:35pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 2:59pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 2:56pm:
The Q Anon dickhead pleaded guilty....


Exactly!

600 of them have pleaded guilty.

Seems some people don't know what "guilty" means.

Let 'em rot in prison. 


You're an idiot.
I've pleaded 'guilty' when pulled over by a Cop and yet at Court, I wasn't charged - because I pleaded 'guilty'.
You have a lot to learn Gay Peccary.

I'm pretty sure those 600 'Protestors' pleaded Guilty because they DID enter the Government Building in Protest.
Do you think they would plead 'not guilty' as if to say they were not there, instead - it was their online Avatars doing the Protest? You're a fu*ckwit.  ::)



Quote:
because they DID enter the Government Building in Protest.


You do know that they got in by assaulting the police putting around 150 of them in hospital and that about 5 people died on the day and another 3 or 4 on following days.

You understand that the capital tour experience does not normally include assaulting police officers and entering the building using various weapons and breaking down the doors and smashing the windows to gain entry? 

That experience is only included in the insurrection tour package. It costs you 4 years in prison, not a bad deal considering that it should be 20 years.

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Xavier on Mar 14th, 2023 at 10:06pm
Yes. Apparently all those 'heavily armed' Security all claimed $$$ for their Italian soccer dives from being whacked with American Flags and being yelled at, especially when they shot a few of the Protestors. Compo goes a long way against those ruthless unarmed 'Terrorists' who achieved to mess up the paperwork.

Apparently those Protestors were Cannibals who also eat children too.  ;D

While Biden's pre-force of BLM attacks on the innocent citizens of America 'raped, pillaged, plundered and murdered' their way across the country and if an American couple who happened to be white 'armed' themselves to protect their home - were branded 'White Supremacists' by the Media. We mustn't forget that one, eh? ;)


Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Baronvonrort on Mar 14th, 2023 at 11:05pm

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 7:10pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 6:59pm:
january 6  ?

a few high spirited individuals went on a tour of the capital building and took selfies.

total nothing burger.

ive seen more angry emotions at a suburban under 15's rugby league match


So over 150 police officers were injured on Jan 6th and you compare it to a suburban under 15's rugby league match....You are a dickhead!!!


Quote:
Over a dozen police officers injured during the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol remain on medical leave, according to a report from CBS News. More than 150 law enforcement officers suffered injuries on Jan. 6 attack. Of those who reported injuries, 86 were Capitol Police officers and 65 were members of the Metropolitan Police Department.


::) ::) ::)

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/domestic-terrorism/556796-more-than-a-dozen-police-officers-still-on/#:~:text=Over%20a%20dozen%20police%20officers%20injured%20during%20the,65%20were%20members%20of%20the%20Metropolitan%20Police%20Department.


There were over 180 law enforcement injured with the riots over the Patron Saint of fake $20s and Fentanyl called George Floyd when he died from a self inflicted drug overdose.

What did Trump have to do with that?


Quote:
The White House was on lockdown the night of May 29 in response to protests reaching the gates.[2] The protests began at 7:00 p.m. By 8:30 p.m., the White House lockdown was lifted as protesters began to leave. At 10:00 p.m., the protesters returned, however by 3:30 am Saturday the protesters were more subdued. The protesters came into conflict with the United States Secret Service. At one point the protesters were pepper sprayed.[3] Protesters reportedly threw "bricks, rocks, bottles, fireworks and other items"[4] as well as "rocks, urine and alcohol"[5] at Secret Service agents injuring over 60 of them, including 11 hospitalized and treated for non-life-threatening injuries.[6]

As a result of the protests, the Secret Service rushed President Donald Trump to shelter in the White House underground bunker, where he remained for almost one hour.[7][8] This occurred after some protesters crossed temporary barricades set up near the Treasury Department buildings. Around that time, the Secret Service alert level was raised to "red". The president's wife and son were also brought to the bunker.[9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_Washington,_D.C.


When Trump was elected the leftists with TDS were butthurt so they rioted on the day of his inaugeration.

The lefties with TDS have double standards when it comes to protests.

Look at the damage those with TDS did

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=trump+inauguration+riot&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwixnZLEvdv9AhXRumMGHbsiARgQ_AUoAnoECAEQBA&biw=1094&bih=504&dpr=1.25


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Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Captain Caveman on Mar 15th, 2023 at 5:15am

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 11:05pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 7:10pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 6:59pm:
january 6  ?

a few high spirited individuals went on a tour of the capital building and took selfies.

total nothing burger.

ive seen more angry emotions at a suburban under 15's rugby league match


So over 150 police officers were injured on Jan 6th and you compare it to a suburban under 15's rugby league match....You are a dickhead!!!


Quote:
Over a dozen police officers injured during the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol remain on medical leave, according to a report from CBS News. More than 150 law enforcement officers suffered injuries on Jan. 6 attack. Of those who reported injuries, 86 were Capitol Police officers and 65 were members of the Metropolitan Police Department.


::) ::) ::)

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/domestic-terrorism/556796-more-than-a-dozen-police-officers-still-on/#:~:text=Over%20a%20dozen%20police%20officers%20injured%20during%20the,65%20were%20members%20of%20the%20Metropolitan%20Police%20Department.


There were over 180 law enforcement injured with the riots over the Patron Saint of fake $20s and Fentanyl called George Floyd when he died from a self inflicted drug overdose.

What did Trump have to do with that?

[quote]
The White House was on lockdown the night of May 29 in response to protests reaching the gates.[2] The protests began at 7:00 p.m. By 8:30 p.m., the White House lockdown was lifted as protesters began to leave. At 10:00 p.m., the protesters returned, however by 3:30 am Saturday the protesters were more subdued. The protesters came into conflict with the United States Secret Service. At one point the protesters were pepper sprayed.[3] Protesters reportedly threw "bricks, rocks, bottles, fireworks and other items"[4] as well as "rocks, urine and alcohol"[5] at Secret Service agents injuring over 60 of them, including 11 hospitalized and treated for non-life-threatening injuries.[6]

As a result of the protests, the Secret Service rushed President Donald Trump to shelter in the White House underground bunker, where he remained for almost one hour.[7][8] This occurred after some protesters crossed temporary barricades set up near the Treasury Department buildings. Around that time, the Secret Service alert level was raised to "red". The president's wife and son were also brought to the bunker.[9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_Washington,_D.C.


When Trump was elected the leftists with TDS were butthurt so they rioted on the day of his inaugeration.

The lefties with TDS have double standards when it comes to protests.

Look at the damage those with TDS did

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=trump+inauguration+riot&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwixnZLEvdv9AhXRumMGHbsiARgQ_AUoAnoECAEQBA&biw=1094&bih=504&dpr=1.25

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Funny how the terrorist lefties forget they carried on like this.
One particular alleged terrorist on here even had a tanty and said he was leaving the forum.
Then had a bigger tanty when Morrison pantsed his titalating Labor leader.

They're not stable people at all.
Now the asylums are closed, they're free to live amongst us.

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by philperth2010 on Mar 15th, 2023 at 7:34am

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 11:05pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 7:10pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 6:59pm:
january 6  ?

a few high spirited individuals went on a tour of the capital building and took selfies.

total nothing burger.

ive seen more angry emotions at a suburban under 15's rugby league match


So over 150 police officers were injured on Jan 6th and you compare it to a suburban under 15's rugby league match....You are a dickhead!!!


Quote:
Over a dozen police officers injured during the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol remain on medical leave, according to a report from CBS News. More than 150 law enforcement officers suffered injuries on Jan. 6 attack. Of those who reported injuries, 86 were Capitol Police officers and 65 were members of the Metropolitan Police Department.


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https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/domestic-terrorism/556796-more-than-a-dozen-police-officers-still-on/#:~:text=Over%20a%20dozen%20police%20officers%20injured%20during%20the,65%20were%20members%20of%20the%20Metropolitan%20Police%20Department.


There were over 180 law enforcement injured with the riots over the Patron Saint of fake $20s and Fentanyl called George Floyd when he died from a self inflicted drug overdose.

What did Trump have to do with that?

[quote]
The White House was on lockdown the night of May 29 in response to protests reaching the gates.[2] The protests began at 7:00 p.m. By 8:30 p.m., the White House lockdown was lifted as protesters began to leave. At 10:00 p.m., the protesters returned, however by 3:30 am Saturday the protesters were more subdued. The protesters came into conflict with the United States Secret Service. At one point the protesters were pepper sprayed.[3] Protesters reportedly threw "bricks, rocks, bottles, fireworks and other items"[4] as well as "rocks, urine and alcohol"[5] at Secret Service agents injuring over 60 of them, including 11 hospitalized and treated for non-life-threatening injuries.[6]

As a result of the protests, the Secret Service rushed President Donald Trump to shelter in the White House underground bunker, where he remained for almost one hour.[7][8] This occurred after some protesters crossed temporary barricades set up near the Treasury Department buildings. Around that time, the Secret Service alert level was raised to "red". The president's wife and son were also brought to the bunker.[9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_Washington,_D.C.


When Trump was elected the leftists with TDS were butthurt so they rioted on the day of his inaugeration.

The lefties with TDS have double standards when it comes to protests.

Look at the damage those with TDS did

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=trump+inauguration+riot&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwixnZLEvdv9AhXRumMGHbsiARgQ_AUoAnoECAEQBA&biw=1094&bih=504&dpr=1.25

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I have never defended the BLM riots Baron....Why do those defending Trump believe the BLM riots have anything to do with Jan 6th....Both movements were criminal that deserve condemnation not support and excuses!!!

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Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Marla on Mar 15th, 2023 at 7:40am

Panther wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:03am:
..

Watch the Video.....The TRUTH shall set you free.....Make up your own minds afterwards....after watching this video.....


[media width=815]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPg9N_HiLMg[/media]





Hi, Panty Boy. Where have you been? Your boss Putin find a new batch of potatoes to pay you with?

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Marla on Mar 15th, 2023 at 7:43am

Panther wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 8:59am:
So actual footage that was intentionally withheld by the FBI and DOJ is "Tucker's lies" in your mind?

You're the one who should be embarrassed or, more specifically, sectioned.


Yep, it is the Leftist "LIARS" that should be embarrassed......It is the Leftists that should hang their heads in shame for Lying to the American People!

But no, all they do is quadruple their venomous vitriolic lies shamelessly, coupling them with apoplectic rants of how "democracy" is dying, & these so called "terrorist insurrectionists" attacks were worse than 911....

Well, the TRUTH is coming out whether they like it or not, & we have only seen the tip of the iceberg that will, once & for all, sink their LYING SHIP of FOOLS!!!

[/quote]

;D ;D ;D

You're a farm-bot paid shitstain


Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Dnarever on Mar 15th, 2023 at 8:08am

Quote:
So actual footage that was intentionally withheld by the FBI and DOJ


No this is untrue.

DOJ - All video from the Jan 6th was provided to the legal teams of those charged.



Quote:
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23706141/us-doj-response-to-pezzola.pdf

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA :

:
v. : Case No. 21-CR-175 (TJK)
:
ETHAN NORDEAN, et al. :
:
Defendant. :
GOVERNMENT OPPOSITION TO DEFENDANT PEZZOLA’S MOTION FOR
DISMISSAL AND/OR MISTRIAL

In his filing, defendant Pezzola moves the Court to dismiss the case against him “due to
recent revelations on the Tucker Carlson show” .............

A. The Government Has Produced the Videos Shown on Tucker Carlson to These
Defendants in Discovery


...... The footage in question comes from the Capitol’s video surveillance system, commonly
referred to as “CCTV” (for “closed-circuit television”). The Court will be familiar with the
numerous CCTV clips that have been introduced as exhibits during this trial. The CCTV footage
is core evidence in nearly every January 6 case, and it was produced en masse, labeled by camera
number and by time, to all defense counsel in all cases.3 With the exception of one CCTV camera
(where said footage totaled approximately 10 seconds and implicated an evacuation route), all of
the footage played on television was disclosed to defendant Pezzola (and defendant Chansley) by
September 24, 2021.4 The final 10 seconds of footage was produced in global discovery to all
defense counsel on January 23, 2023. Pezzola’s Brady claim therefore fails at the threshold,


The DOJ revealed to the court that:

The defendants were given all the film that Tycker played in the discovery process.

typo accidental - left in place ......

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Dnarever on Mar 15th, 2023 at 8:22am

Quote:
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA :
:
v. : Case No. 21-CR-175 (TJK)
:
ETHAN NORDEAN, et al. :
:
Defendant. :
GOVERNMENT OPPOSITION TO DEFENDANT PEZZOLA’S MOTION FOR
DISMISSAL AND/OR MISTRIAL



2. The videos are not exculpatory.

Pezzola’s possession of the videos is dispositive of his Brady claim. Nonetheless, the
record should be clear that the videos in question are not exculpatory of Pezzola or any other
participant in the siege of the Capitol on January 6, 2021. In fact, the videos of Chansley’s
movements throughout his time in the Capitol are highly inculpatory
of Pezzola, Chansley, and
other rioters captured on them.

Pezzola’s argument seems to be that the snippets of Chansley’s movements that were
televised by Carlson establish that there was no emergency necessitating the suspension of
proceedings. The televised footage lacks the context of what occurred before and after the footage. Chansley entered the building as part of a violent crowd that gained access as a result of Pezzola’s
destruction of a window and he traveled with Pezzola during the initial breach. And just as
Defendant Biggs had recounted in a recorded statement after January 6, 2021, by the time Pezzola
forcibly breached the Capitol and Chansley rode his coattails, the mob—through the sheer force
of its size and the violence of those within it—had wrested control of portions of the Capitol ......

, Chansley had, amongst other acts,
breached a police line at 2:09 p.m. with the mob, entered the Capitol less than one minute behind
Pezzola during the initial breach of the building, and faced off with members of the U.S. Capitol
Police for more than thirty minutes in front of the Senate Chamber doors while elected officials,
including the Vice President of the United States, were fleeing from the chamber. Chansley then
entered the Senate Gallery, where he proceeded to scream obscenities while other rioters rifled
through the desks of U.S. Senators on the floor below. All these actions were captured by Senate
floor and/or CCTV cameras. In sum, Chansley was not some passive, chaperoned observer of
events for the roughly hour that he was unlawfully inside the Capitol. He was part of the initial
breach of the building; he confronted law enforcement for roughly 30 minutes just outside the
Senate Chamber; he gained access to the gallery of the Senate along with other members of the
mob (obviously, precluding any Senate business from occurring);


Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Dnarever on Mar 15th, 2023 at 8:23am
Typical of Tuckums his opinion piece was misleading and dishonest.

Tucko himself as an admitted and caught out liar lacks credibility.

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Marla on Mar 15th, 2023 at 8:42am

Panther wrote on Mar 11th, 2023 at 5:02pm:
I don't defend criminals, I defend the US Constitution, & every American's Constitutional Right to a fair & impartial trial.

American Law & Justice always takes into account that every person must be considered innocent until they are fairly tried, & a jury of their peers finds them guilty based on all evidence. 

If you believe that that constitutes a defense of defendants before they are tried & convicted by a jury, then so be it.

If I take sides, 99 out of 100 times I will most likely take the side of the defendant until, after both sides have rested, a jury unanimously finds guilt on the State's charges.



You defend sucking RuZZian dick, you f - king Vatnik.





Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Xavier on Mar 15th, 2023 at 9:24am
Democrats laughed  ;D ;D as their BLM stooges raped, pillaged, plundered, killed, bashed, burned crying "Racism!"
upon the sufferings of American citizens at large as revenge for Trump becoming a President.

...but attacking the Democrats, is an attack on Democracy ::)

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Dnarever on Mar 15th, 2023 at 10:27am

Jasin wrote on Mar 15th, 2023 at 9:24am:
Democrats laughed  ;D ;D as their BLM stooges raped, pillaged, plundered, killed, bashed, burned crying "Racism!"
upon the sufferings of American citizens at large as revenge for Trump becoming a President.

...but attacking the Democrats, is an attack on Democracy ::)


Nobody laughed.

People supported the legal demonstrations of BLM just as it is legitimate for others to support the legitimate protests at the capital. The insurrectionists and the looters etc can not be supported.

Nobody on the left has supported the illegal activity. Plenty on the right do support the insurrection at the capital.

By the way a lot of the damage and looting during the BLM protests were orchestrated by the right.

As a result of BLM over 2000 people were prosecuted. Nobody on the Left have been making excuses for these people, Nobody is looking to pardon them or saying that they are political prisoners.

Nobody who went to the capital and legally protested outside the capitol building have been arrested unless they have been shown to have been part of the planning of the violent activity. There were a lot of legitimate protesters somewhat misled by the lies and such but still they remained within the law and are not in trouble. Same with the legitimate BLM protesters.

The vast majority of problems with the BLM protests were caused by people not associated with BLM who took advantage of the situation.

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Dnarever on Mar 15th, 2023 at 10:34am

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 14th, 2023 at 11:05pm:
George Floyd when he died from a self inflicted drug overdose.



I am afraid that I cannot unsee George being murdered by a police officer while his companions did nothing.

But don't believe your own lying eyes just read the false stories its much easier.

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Xavier on Mar 15th, 2023 at 3:49pm
George the Junkie was lucky he had his drug induced paranoid anxiety attack come heart attack in defiance of 'following Police requests' and 'fighting against restraint' - especially when they were NOT arresting him, but reacting to his 'hostile' junkie behaviour.

If they were little Yellow Cops, rather than White ones - they would have all just shot heaps of holes in him to help him breath a lot better.

...oh, and let's not forget those two Australian Cops who did take their knee restraint 'off' a criminal who cried "I can't breath!" and they nearly lost their lives as he nearly shot them after his ruse.

If I had to 'restrain' a bigger person than myself who is 'highly' dangerous in his junkie paranoid and unpredictable state of hostility and 'non-compliance' - hell, I too would do a suppression to send him to sleep. Better 'safe', than 'sorry'.


Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Panther on Apr 1st, 2023 at 9:24am
..


Wait a second sir, let me open that door for you too.....



SCUMBAG demon-RATs at it again!!!



Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by scope on Apr 1st, 2023 at 11:03am
Why do trump retards have an aversion to the truth?

Panthers meme would have you believe something that has proven to not have happened.

But after supporting the liar known as trump, who would have expected those on the right to have any intestinal fortitude to actually acknowledge the truth.

Its sad that grown ups can be so easily deceived and conned into following a cult leader like trump.

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Frank on Feb 8th, 2024 at 4:03pm
ADAM CREIGHTON
FBI’s January 6 crusade reeks of pro-Democrat bias


Last week, the FBI arrested a 61-year-old nurse in North Carolina, Susan Lee Hodges, who made the mistake of dropping her hotel key card inside the Capitol building, which police used to obtain her name from the hotel, and then her home address from Verizon, a ­mobile phone company.

“Google location data shows that a device associated with her 5575 number was within an area consistent with the interior of the US Capitol building between 2.49pm and 3.34pm”, the FBI said in its arrest warrant published online last week, which additionally highlighted how Hodges yelled “freedom” while she was inside the building.

The West hasn’t yet reached CCP levels of surveillance, where government cameras on every corner track their citizens’ movements and utterances, almost 24 hours a day, but it’s getting close – all in the name of “safety”, of course.

“Hodges can be seen sitting on the couch and unpacking the contents of her backpack, including the red hat she had been previously wearing and can of what appears to be Coca-Cola,” the FBI’s accusation went on. Horrifying stuff. When she saw someone ripping something off the wall, “she realised that something was not right at that point and decided to leave … with the help of police officers who were ushering people out of the building”, the FBI noted.

For all this, Hodges has been charged with four crimes, including entering, remaining in and disorderly conduct in a restricted building, which will probably put her in prison for a few years.

Of 720-plus prison terms so far meted out to the more than 1235 arrested in relation to January 6, the average term has been a few years, according to a recent Washington Post analysis (a little less for those who pleaded guilty).

Even judges appear to have been surprised at the FBI and Justice Department’s vindictiveness, handing down punishments well below prosecutors’ requests in around two thirds of cases, according to the Post, a far higher share than usual.

It’s hard not to see all this as anything other than political persecution, especially when other more serious crimes barely go punished at all, including, for instance, the notorious bashing of New York City police offers in recent days by illegal immigrants, or the rampant unpunished shoplifting that blights big Democrat-controlled cities.

To be sure, it was unwise of Hodges to enter the Capitol building, but what is the public benefit of pursuing and demanding jail time for relatively harmless individuals who attended a protest, years after the fact? It destroys what remains of their often-modest lives, without obviously serving to reduce the likelihood of such riots occurring again.

The same zeal to track down rioters wasn’t observed in the wake of George Floyd’s death in 2020, who collectively caused far more death and destruction. And the scapegoating of January 6 protesters is worse given US authorities were in part to blame for the riot getting out of control, failing to provide extra security until well after hundreds of protesters had entered the building.

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Frank on Feb 8th, 2024 at 4:07pm
Perhaps sadder still is to observe the glee with which other Americans greet the incarceration of other Americans who obviously didn’t cause, or even plan to cause, any harm, and certainly not to them.

It’s part of what seems to be a pattern of bias against Americans who don’t support the Democratic Party, and selective enforcement of alleged crimes.

In October last year, Douglas Mackey was sentenced to seven months in prison for a tweet he made in the lead-up to the 2016 election, which encouraged Hillary Clinton supporters to vote via text. Naturally that was misleading, designed to suppress the vote before his 58,000 Twitter followers.

If you don’t find the sentence severe, perhaps the timing: he was arrested six days after the Biden administration took control of the Justice Department, on January 27, for a crime that occurred in 2016. For all the determination to lock up January 6 protesters, the FBI has had little success in trying to work out who planted a pipe bomb at the Democrat National Committee headquarters in Washington DC on January 5, 2021.

Bizarrely, this potential mass murder, including of then Vice-President Elect Kamala Harris, who was in the DNC when the bomb was allegedly active, has received almost no scrutiny and the suspect has not been found, despite a $US500,000 FBI reward still on offer.

In recent weeks, new video footage has emerged revealing the discovery of the pipe bomb on January 6 by a non-uniformed police officer. He informed nearby Secret Service agents, who seemed uninterested in a bomb only a few metres away, even allowing schoolchildren to walk past.

Republican congressman Thomas Massie openly suggests the bomb must have been a fake, and was planted as a fall by authorities who were working with Democrats in case the January 6 riots didn’t get out of control.

Donald Trump has promised to pardon the non-violent protesters should he win re-election in November. He might also want to add an investigation into who planted the pipe bomb.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/fbis-january-6-crusade-reeks-of-prodemocrat-bias/news-story/3d4bdda83c2ee496f7adb2e67076da22

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 8th, 2024 at 4:08pm

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by chimera on Feb 8th, 2024 at 4:56pm
I'm with panther on this. Red blooded Amaaricans love their democracy and gather in awed groups to file into the Halls of Freeedom, jest like Jan 6. Holding little flags and pieces of window glass, they climb bravely over the 20ft high walls and step across the police bodies, gazing at the oil paintings and wads of dollars in back pockets. A quiet hum of 'America for beautiful' wafts along the hallways, the deep state and Abe Lincoln's crumbling concrete.

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by Brian Ross on Feb 8th, 2024 at 5:05pm
I think that is meant to be, "America the Beautiful" not "America for the Beautiful", right Chimera?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Title: Re: ◈ What Americans Weren't Shown About Jan. 6 ◈
Post by chimera on Feb 8th, 2024 at 5:34pm
America. A Poem for July 4.
1893 poem

'O beautiful for halcyon skies,'

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