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Message started by Bobby. on Mar 24th, 2023 at 10:20am

Title: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Bobby. on Mar 24th, 2023 at 10:20am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6hDfAIOScE


Idiot British James Heappey - Defence Minister - downplays
lethal depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine -
he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Depleted Uranium is still highly radioactive.
It can measure between 100,000 and 1 million counts per minute
with a Geiger counter.
It's not what people want mixed with the soil in Ukraine -
it will end up in our food.
It should not ever be used in warfare and is in some ways a war crime.



Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Bobby. on Mar 24th, 2023 at 10:24am
https://periodictable.com/Items/092.9/index.html


That means this cylinder, though depleted, is still the most radioactive thing I have in my collection. It represent about 140 microCuries of total activity (about 300,000,000 disintegrations per minute). A Geiger counter held up to the side of it will read about 100,000 counts per minute.


Depleted uranium cylinder.





Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Belgarion on Mar 24th, 2023 at 12:22pm
And now for some facts: https://www.tiktok.com/@theradguyglows/video/7213323131350437162

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Bobby. on Mar 24th, 2023 at 12:27pm

Belgarion wrote on Mar 24th, 2023 at 12:22pm:
And now for some facts: https://www.tiktok.com/@theradguyglows/video/7213323131350437162



The guy is dead wrong -
would you like to eat food contaminated with depleted Uranium?

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Bobby. on Mar 24th, 2023 at 4:30pm

How would anyone like to eat food contaminated with depleted Uranium?
Ukraine is the breadbasket of the world and especially Europe.
Even 1000s of years from now people’s food will have Uranium in it from the idiotic war in Ukraine.
This is not even making it into our news – go figure?

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Brian Ross on Mar 24th, 2023 at 4:54pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 24th, 2023 at 4:30pm:
How would anyone like to eat food contaminated with depleted Uranium?
Ukraine is the breadbasket of the world and especially Europe.
Even 1000s of years from now people’s food will have Uranium in it from the idiotic war in Ukraine.
This is not even making it into our news – go figure?


Perhaps because they aren't using DU ammunition, Bobby?   ::) ::)

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Bobby. on Mar 24th, 2023 at 4:56pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 24th, 2023 at 4:54pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 24th, 2023 at 4:30pm:
How would anyone like to eat food contaminated with depleted Uranium?
Ukraine is the breadbasket of the world and especially Europe.
Even 1000s of years from now people’s food will have Uranium in it from the idiotic war in Ukraine.
This is not even making it into our news – go figure?


Perhaps because they aren't using DU ammunition, Bobby?   ::) ::)



Read reply 1 about depleted Uranium -
it's highly radioactive.

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Bobby. on Mar 24th, 2023 at 5:37pm
The people of the world are sick and tired of wars in Europe.
There is always some madman running a country who wants to start another war.
This is the first time when we have had nuclear weapons on the table.
If not that we now have depleted Uranium ammunition to poison the soil forever.


Some common nuclear waste half lives:

Plutonium 239 half life      24,110 years.
Americium 241 half life          432 years
Radium 226     Half life      1,600  years
Uranium 236  Half life   15 million years.
Plutonium 244 Half life   80 million years
Uranium 235  Half life  704 million years
Uranium 238 half life      4.5 billion years


So – depleted Uranium is mostly U238 which will be around forever –
a half life of 4.5 billion years.

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Xavier on Mar 25th, 2023 at 3:34am
Dump it in Australia.
Afterall, we dug it up for them.

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Bobby. on Mar 25th, 2023 at 5:53am

Jasin wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 3:34am:
Dump it in Australia.
Afterall, we dug it up for them.



get some depleted Uranium into you -
you'll love it.

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Xavier on Mar 25th, 2023 at 7:14am
Might make a desert grow bioluminescent flowers.

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by athos on Mar 25th, 2023 at 9:26am

Belgarion wrote on Mar 24th, 2023 at 12:22pm:
And now for some facts: https://www.tiktok.com/@theradguyglows/video/7213323131350437162


People (especially children) in Iraq and Serbia are still dying in large numbers from cancer they got from NATO's use of depleted uranium ammunition.
I think that Russia should destroy the Anglo-Hazarian evil island ASAP.
:)

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Belgarion on Mar 25th, 2023 at 9:51am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 24th, 2023 at 12:27pm:

Belgarion wrote on Mar 24th, 2023 at 12:22pm:
And now for some facts: https://www.tiktok.com/@theradguyglows/video/7213323131350437162



The guy is dead wrong -
would you like to eat food contaminated with depleted Uranium?


I already do....http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/Articles-Main/ID/986/Bananas-More-Radioactive-than-Depleted-Uranium ::)



Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Brian Ross on Mar 25th, 2023 at 1:11pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 24th, 2023 at 4:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 24th, 2023 at 4:54pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 24th, 2023 at 4:30pm:
How would anyone like to eat food contaminated with depleted Uranium?
Ukraine is the breadbasket of the world and especially Europe.
Even 1000s of years from now people’s food will have Uranium in it from the idiotic war in Ukraine.
This is not even making it into our news – go figure?


Perhaps because they aren't using DU ammunition, Bobby?   ::) ::)


Read reply 1 about depleted Uranium -
it's highly radioactive.


No, it isn't, Bobby.  It is Uranium that has had most of the radioactive elements removed, that is why it is called depleted.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Bobby. on Mar 25th, 2023 at 1:21pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 1:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 24th, 2023 at 4:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 24th, 2023 at 4:54pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 24th, 2023 at 4:30pm:
How would anyone like to eat food contaminated with depleted Uranium?
Ukraine is the breadbasket of the world and especially Europe.
Even 1000s of years from now people’s food will have Uranium in it from the idiotic war in Ukraine.
This is not even making it into our news – go figure?


Perhaps because they aren't using DU ammunition, Bobby?   ::) ::)


Read reply 1 about depleted Uranium -
it's highly radioactive.


No, it isn't, Bobby.  It is Uranium that has had most of the radioactive elements removed, that is why it is called depleted.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)



Nonsense -
it is Uranium that has the isotope U235 partially removed - from 0.7% to 0.3%.

It's still highly radioactive.
Normal background is about 40 to 75  counts per minute on a Geiger counter -
depleted Uranium is measuring 100,000 counts per minute as per above.

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Belgarion on Mar 25th, 2023 at 1:35pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 1:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 1:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 24th, 2023 at 4:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 24th, 2023 at 4:54pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 24th, 2023 at 4:30pm:
How would anyone like to eat food contaminated with depleted Uranium?
Ukraine is the breadbasket of the world and especially Europe.
Even 1000s of years from now people’s food will have Uranium in it from the idiotic war in Ukraine.
This is not even making it into our news – go figure?


Perhaps because they aren't using DU ammunition, Bobby?   ::) ::)


Read reply 1 about depleted Uranium -
it's highly radioactive.


No, it isn't, Bobby.  It is Uranium that has had most of the radioactive elements removed, that is why it is called depleted.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)



Nonsense -
it is Uranium that has the isotope U235 partially removed - from 0.7% to 0.3%.

It's still highly radioactive.
Normal background is about 40 to 75  counts per minute on a Geiger counter -
depleted Uranium is measuring 100,000 counts per minute as per above.



What is a 'count per minute' Bobby? How many Sv does it work out to?

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Bobby. on Mar 25th, 2023 at 1:54pm

Belgarion wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 1:35pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 1:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 1:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 24th, 2023 at 4:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 24th, 2023 at 4:54pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 24th, 2023 at 4:30pm:
How would anyone like to eat food contaminated with depleted Uranium?
Ukraine is the breadbasket of the world and especially Europe.
Even 1000s of years from now people’s food will have Uranium in it from the idiotic war in Ukraine.
This is not even making it into our news – go figure?


Perhaps because they aren't using DU ammunition, Bobby?   ::) ::)


Read reply 1 about depleted Uranium -
it's highly radioactive.


No, it isn't, Bobby.  It is Uranium that has had most of the radioactive elements removed, that is why it is called depleted.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)



Nonsense -
it is Uranium that has the isotope U235 partially removed - from 0.7% to 0.3%.

It's still highly radioactive.
Normal background is about 40 to 75  counts per minute on a Geiger counter -
depleted Uranium is measuring 100,000 counts per minute as per above.



What is a 'count per minute' Bobby? How many Sv does it work out to?



Dunno but 100,000  cpm is extreme -

it's   100,000/75 =   1,333  times normal background level.

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Brian Ross on Mar 25th, 2023 at 2:36pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 1:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 1:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 24th, 2023 at 4:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 24th, 2023 at 4:54pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 24th, 2023 at 4:30pm:
How would anyone like to eat food contaminated with depleted Uranium?
Ukraine is the breadbasket of the world and especially Europe.
Even 1000s of years from now people’s food will have Uranium in it from the idiotic war in Ukraine.
This is not even making it into our news – go figure?


Perhaps because they aren't using DU ammunition, Bobby?   ::) ::)


Read reply 1 about depleted Uranium -
it's highly radioactive.


No, it isn't, Bobby.  It is Uranium that has had most of the radioactive elements removed, that is why it is called depleted.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)


Nonsense -
it is Uranium that has the isotope U235 partially removed - from 0.7% to 0.3%.



Quote:
Depleted uranium (DU; also referred to in the past as Q-metal, depletalloy or D-38) is uranium with a lower content of the fissile isotope 235 U than natural uranium.[2] Natural uranium contains about 0.72% 235 U, while the DU used by the U.S. Department of Defense contains 0.3% 235 U or less. The less radioactive and non-fissile 238 U constitutes the main component of depleted uranium. Uses of DU take advantage of its very high density of 19.1 grams per cubic centimetre (0.69 lb/cu in) (68.4% denser than lead).

Civilian uses include counterweights in aircraft, radiation shielding in medical radiation therapy and industrial radiography equipment, and containers for transporting radioactive materials.

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium]Source[/url]

Which renders it basically harmless, Bobby.  DU is basically useless for radioactive purposes.  Run along to your radiation proof bunker, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Bobby. on Mar 25th, 2023 at 2:38pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 2:36pm:
Which renders it basically harmless, Bobby.  DU is basically useless for radioactive purposes.  Run along to your radiation proof bunker, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)



It's not harmless Brian.    tsk  tsk    :o :o

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Brian Ross on Mar 25th, 2023 at 2:41pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 2:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 2:36pm:
Which renders it basically harmless, Bobby.  DU is basically useless for radioactive purposes.  Run along to your radiation proof bunker, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


It's not harmless Brian.    tsk  tsk    :o :o


Prove it, Bobby.  Quote a scientific paper by a reputable radiologist.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Bobby. on Mar 25th, 2023 at 2:47pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 2:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 2:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 2:36pm:
Which renders it basically harmless, Bobby.  DU is basically useless for radioactive purposes.  Run along to your radiation proof bunker, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


It's not harmless Brian.    tsk  tsk    :o :o


Prove it, Bobby.  Quote a scientific paper by a reputable radiologist.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)



Brian,
you don't need a scientific paper.
Even a halfwit can see that it's dangerous.
Would you like some depleted Uranium for your dinner tonight?     tsk  tsk     ::) ::)

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Belgarion on Mar 25th, 2023 at 2:52pm
OK. now for some real, scientific data:

https://www.iaea.org/topics/spent-fuel-management/depleted-uranium

https://www.nuclear-power.com/nuclear-engineering/radiation-protection/equivalent-dose/sievert-unit-of-equivalent-dose/examples-of-doses-in-sieverts/

I will summarise some of the information in these references:

A seivert (Sv) is the measurement used to measure the health risk of ionising radiation, calculated using the formula of 1 joule of energy per kilo of mass.  5 Sv will kill most people within 30 days.

The amount of airborne depleted uranium particles a person needs to ingest to get a dose of 1 millisievert  1 mSv( 1/1000th of a sievert) is 32 milligrams. That is an awful lot of dust for a very small dose. A few examples that show how small a dose of 1mSv is:

3.65 mSv. World average yearly dose from natural background radiation.

20 mSv.  CT scan.

There are other examples in the references, all of which goes to show that DU is not the radioactive boogeyman Russian and other propaganda would make it out to be.










 

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Brian Ross on Mar 25th, 2023 at 3:29pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 2:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 2:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 2:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 2:36pm:
Which renders it basically harmless, Bobby.  DU is basically useless for radioactive purposes.  Run along to your radiation proof bunker, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


It's not harmless Brian.    tsk  tsk    :o :o


Prove it, Bobby.  Quote a scientific paper by a reputable radiologist.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


Brian,
you don't need a scientific paper.
Even a halfwit can see that it's dangerous.
Would you like some depleted Uranium for your dinner tonight?     tsk  tsk     ::) ::)


I won't because of the dangers that heavy metals pose, not because of the supposed radioactivity, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Xavier on Mar 25th, 2023 at 4:30pm
Hi Bobby.

Do you think little green men like Brian get their jollies over clips like this?
Do you think they invent 'aliens' as their imaginary dragons, because they haven't the balls to admit they want to kill other humans who don't conform to their culture?


Radioactive by Imagine Dragons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY89yHZO048

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Bobby. on Mar 25th, 2023 at 7:21pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 3:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 2:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 2:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 2:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 2:36pm:
Which renders it basically harmless, Bobby.  DU is basically useless for radioactive purposes.  Run along to your radiation proof bunker, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


It's not harmless Brian.    tsk  tsk    :o :o


Prove it, Bobby.  Quote a scientific paper by a reputable radiologist.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


Brian,
you don't need a scientific paper.
Even a halfwit can see that it's dangerous.
Would you like some depleted Uranium for your dinner tonight?     tsk  tsk     ::) ::)


I won't because of the dangers that heavy metals pose, not because of the supposed radioactivity, Bobby.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)



Brian is not afraid of radioactivity - even 1,300 times the normal background level:




Depleted_Uranium.jpg (86 KB | 4 )

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Xavier on Mar 25th, 2023 at 7:37pm
Earth is under attack by little green men of War

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Bobby. on Mar 25th, 2023 at 7:43pm
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2023-03-24/russia-says-use-of-depleted-uranium-shells-in-ukraine-would-harm-population-land-for-decades


By Reuters

|
March 24, 2023, at 7:07 a.m.
U.S. News & World Report

Russia Says Use of Depleted Uranium Shells in Ukraine Would Harm Population, Land for Decades
More

(Reuters) - Russia's defence ministry said on Friday that the use of depleted uranium shells in Ukraine would harm Ukrainian troops, the wider population and negatively affect the country's agriculture sector for decades or even centuries.

Russia has reacted furiously to plans outlined by Britain earlier this week to send shells containing depleted uranium to Ukraine.

London says they are a conventional form of ammunition, but President Vladimir Putin said the move showed NATO members were sending weapons with a "nuclear component" to Kyiv.

"The West is well aware of the negative consequences of using depleted uranium ammunition," Igor Kirillov, head of the Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Protection Forces of Russia's defence ministry said in a statement on Friday.

He said data on the use of depleted uranium by the United States and is allies in the Balkans and Iraq showed serious and lasting negative impacts on local populations and the environment.


Ukraine's agricultural industry could suffer "for decades,
if not centuries, into the future," he said.



Critics of the use of depleted uranium, such as the International Coalition to Ban Uranium Weapons,
say the dust created by such weapons can be breathed in while munitions
which miss their target can poison groundwater and soil.

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Brian Ross on Mar 25th, 2023 at 8:32pm

Quote:
Radiological hazards

The primary radiation danger from pure depleted uranium is due to alpha particles, which do not travel far through air, and do not penetrate clothing. However, in a matter of a month or so, a sample of pure depleted uranium will generate small amounts of thorium-234 and protactinium-234, which emit the more penetrating beta particles at almost the same rate as the uranium emits alpha particles. This is because uranium-238 decays directly to thorium-234, which with a half-life of 24 days decays to protactinium-234, which in turn decays in a matter of hours to the long-lived uranium-234. A quasi-steady state is therefore reached within a few multiples of 24 days.[notes 3]

Available evidence suggests that the radiation risk is small relative to the chemical hazard.[97]

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium]Source[/url]

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Bobby. on Mar 25th, 2023 at 8:43pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 8:32pm:

Quote:
Radiological hazards

The primary radiation danger from pure depleted uranium is due to alpha particles, which do not travel far through air, and do not penetrate clothing. However, in a matter of a month or so, a sample of pure depleted uranium will generate small amounts of thorium-234 and protactinium-234, which emit the more penetrating beta particles at almost the same rate as the uranium emits alpha particles. This is because uranium-238 decays directly to thorium-234, which with a half-life of 24 days decays to protactinium-234, which in turn decays in a matter of hours to the long-lived uranium-234. A quasi-steady state is therefore reached within a few multiples of 24 days.[notes 3]

Available evidence suggests that the radiation risk is small relative to the chemical hazard.[97]

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium]Source[/url]



Thanks for that link:


Health considerations

Normal functioning of the kidney, brain, liver, heart, and numerous other systems can be affected by uranium exposure because uranium is a toxic metal,[8] although less toxic than other heavy metals, such as arsenic and mercury.[83] It is weakly radioactive but is 'persistently' so because of its long half-life. The Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry states that: "to be exposed to radiation from uranium, you have to eat, drink, or breathe it, or get it on your skin."[84] If DU particles do enter an individual, the type of danger presented—toxic vs. radiological—and the organ most likely to be affected depend on the solubility of the particles.[85]

In military conflicts involving DU munitions, the major concern is inhalation of DU particles in aerosols arising from the impacts of DU-enhanced projectiles with their targets.[85] When depleted uranium munitions penetrate armor or burn, they create depleted uranium oxides in the form of dust that can be inhaled or contaminate wounds. The Institute of Nuclear Technology-Radiation Protection of Attiki, Greece, has noted that "the aerosol produced during impact and combustion of depleted uranium munitions can potentially contaminate wide areas around the impact sites or can be inhaled by civilians and military personnel".[10] The use of DU in incendiary ammunition is controversial because of potential adverse health effects and its release into the environment.

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Belgarion on Mar 25th, 2023 at 9:41pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 8:43pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 8:32pm:

Quote:
Radiological hazards

The primary radiation danger from pure depleted uranium is due to alpha particles, which do not travel far through air, and do not penetrate clothing. However, in a matter of a month or so, a sample of pure depleted uranium will generate small amounts of thorium-234 and protactinium-234, which emit the more penetrating beta particles at almost the same rate as the uranium emits alpha particles. This is because uranium-238 decays directly to thorium-234, which with a half-life of 24 days decays to protactinium-234, which in turn decays in a matter of hours to the long-lived uranium-234. A quasi-steady state is therefore reached within a few multiples of 24 days.[notes 3]

Available evidence suggests that the radiation risk is small relative to the chemical hazard.[97]

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium]Source[/url]



Thanks for that link:


Health considerations

Normal functioning of the kidney, brain, liver, heart, and numerous other systems can be affected by uranium exposure because uranium is a toxic metal,[8] although less toxic than other heavy metals, such as arsenic and mercury.[83] It is weakly radioactive but is 'persistently' so because of its long half-life. The Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry states that: "to be exposed to radiation from uranium, you have to eat, drink, or breathe it, or get it on your skin."[84] If DU particles do enter an individual, the type of danger presented—toxic vs. radiological—and the organ most likely to be affected depend on the solubility of the particles.[85]

In military conflicts involving DU munitions, the major concern is inhalation of DU particles in aerosols arising from the impacts of DU-enhanced projectiles with their targets.[85] When depleted uranium munitions penetrate armor or burn, they create depleted uranium oxides in the form of dust that can be inhaled or contaminate wounds. The Institute of Nuclear Technology-Radiation Protection of Attiki, Greece, has noted that "the aerosol produced during impact and combustion of depleted uranium munitions can potentially contaminate wide areas around the impact sites or can be inhaled by civilians and military personnel".[10] The use of DU in incendiary ammunition is controversial because of potential adverse health effects and its release into the environment.


You have not understood the references I posted earlier, have you Bobby?

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Bobby. on Mar 25th, 2023 at 9:47pm

Belgarion wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 9:41pm:
You have not understood the references I posted earlier, have you Bobby?



Yes - you're saying that depleted Uranium is a good thing.      tsk  tsk    ::) ::)




Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Brian Ross on Mar 27th, 2023 at 5:45pm
Belgarion, Bobby is not worth arguing with.  He has his own world that he lives in, inside his own head.  I am forced to assume he never eats a banana because 'nanas are more radioactive than depleted uranium is.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Bobby. on Mar 27th, 2023 at 6:00pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 27th, 2023 at 5:45pm:
Belgarion, Bobby is not worth arguing with.  He has his own world that he lives in, inside his own head.  I am forced to assume he never eats a banana because 'nanas are more radioactive than depleted uranium is.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)



Nonsense -
bananas register about 200 cpm on a Geiger counter -

DU reads over 100,000 cpm.


Normal background  75  cpm.

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Brian Ross on Mar 27th, 2023 at 8:20pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 27th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 27th, 2023 at 5:45pm:
Belgarion, Bobby is not worth arguing with.  He has his own world that he lives in, inside his own head.  I am forced to assume he never eats a banana because 'nanas are more radioactive than depleted uranium is.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


Nonsense -
bananas register about 200 cpm on a Geiger counter -

DU reads over 100,000 cpm.

Normal background  75  cpm.


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Bobby, you wouldn't want to visit Glasgow's CBD.  They have a background radiation from all the granite buildings which measures over twice what the rest of the UK does.   ::) ::)

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Belgarion on Mar 27th, 2023 at 8:35pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 27th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 27th, 2023 at 5:45pm:
Belgarion, Bobby is not worth arguing with.  He has his own world that he lives in, inside his own head.  I am forced to assume he never eats a banana because 'nanas are more radioactive than depleted uranium is.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)



Nonsense -
bananas register about 200 cpm on a Geiger counter -

DU reads over 100,000 cpm.


Normal background  75  cpm.


I want to know, A. what is cpm? 
                         B. What is your source for these 'cpm' figures?



Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Bobby. on Mar 27th, 2023 at 9:42pm

Belgarion wrote on Mar 27th, 2023 at 8:35pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 27th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 27th, 2023 at 5:45pm:
Belgarion, Bobby is not worth arguing with.  He has his own world that he lives in, inside his own head.  I am forced to assume he never eats a banana because 'nanas are more radioactive than depleted uranium is.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)



Nonsense -
bananas register about 200 cpm on a Geiger counter -

DU reads over 100,000 cpm.


Normal background  75  cpm.


I want to know, A. what is cpm? 
                         B. What is your source for these 'cpm' figures?



CPM is counts per minute as measured by a Geiger counter.
You can actually hear them as Geiger counters normally have a speaker.


For the DU measurement see Reply #1 in this thread,   100,000 cpm.

The other 2 are from my own experience -
actually cpm in Melbourne is about 35 cpm normal background not 75 cpm.
A banana is about 200cpm  -
see the guy in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_XVRA5nD6M

he is simply putting his Geiger counter near a banana -
you can see the readout and hear the clicks and it's higher than the background.

I hope that helps?

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by mothra on Mar 28th, 2023 at 6:51am

Belgarion wrote on Mar 27th, 2023 at 8:35pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 27th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 27th, 2023 at 5:45pm:
Belgarion, Bobby is not worth arguing with.  He has his own world that he lives in, inside his own head.  I am forced to assume he never eats a banana because 'nanas are more radioactive than depleted uranium is.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)



Nonsense -
bananas register about 200 cpm on a Geiger counter -

DU reads over 100,000 cpm.


Normal background  75  cpm.


I want to know, A. what is cpm? 
                         B. What is your source for these 'cpm' figures?


I'm sorry but are you arguing that eating a banana is the radioactive comparison to being exposed to depleted uranium artillery?

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Xavier on Mar 28th, 2023 at 6:53am
Is Mothra going to give a homeless man with 5 dogs a room in her house rent free?

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Lisa Jones on Mar 28th, 2023 at 7:03am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 24th, 2023 at 10:20am:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6hDfAIOScE


Idiot British James Heappey - Defence Minister - downplays
lethal depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine -
he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Depleted Uranium is still highly radioactive.
It can measure between 100,000 and 1 million counts per minute
with a Geiger counter.
It's not what people want mixed with the soil in Ukraine -
it will end up in our food.
It should not ever be used in warfare and is in some ways a war crime.


This conflict is just getting more desperate the longer it drags on.

Everyone globally is suffering at the hands of 1 man! Putin. God I feel for those poor sods in Russia and Ukraine. Both countries must be sick of this BS!

Using depleted Uranium is IMO tantamount to genocide!

God help us all! We’ve learned nothing from History.

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Xavier on Mar 28th, 2023 at 7:10am
Well you know what happened to Ras-Putin, Lisa?> ;)

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Lisa Jones on Mar 28th, 2023 at 7:20am

Jasin wrote on Mar 28th, 2023 at 7:10am:
Well you know what happened to Ras-Putin, Lisa?> ;)


That’s clever!

And I think you’re right too!

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by mothra on Mar 28th, 2023 at 10:03am

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 28th, 2023 at 7:20am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 28th, 2023 at 7:10am:
Well you know what happened to Ras-Putin, Lisa?> ;)


That’s clever!

And I think you’re right too!



I mean, if this exchange doesn't speak volumes.

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Lisa Jones on Mar 28th, 2023 at 10:19am

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 28th, 2023 at 7:20am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 28th, 2023 at 7:10am:
Well you know what happened to Ras-Putin, Lisa?> ;)


That’s clever!

And I think you’re right too!


Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Lisa Jones on Mar 28th, 2023 at 10:19am

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 28th, 2023 at 7:03am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 24th, 2023 at 10:20am:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6hDfAIOScE


Idiot British James Heappey - Defence Minister - downplays
lethal depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine -
he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Depleted Uranium is still highly radioactive.
It can measure between 100,000 and 1 million counts per minute
with a Geiger counter.
It's not what people want mixed with the soil in Ukraine -
it will end up in our food.
It should not ever be used in warfare and is in some ways a war crime.


This conflict is just getting more desperate the longer it drags on.

Everyone globally is suffering at the hands of 1 man! Putin. God I feel for those poor sods in Russia and Ukraine. Both countries must be sick of this BS!

Using depleted Uranium is IMO tantamount to genocide!

God help us all! We’ve learned nothing from History.


Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by tickleandrose on Mar 28th, 2023 at 1:31pm
I think the depleted uranium is on purpose.   On one side, its an effective counter to heavily armoured Russian forces.   And on surface it appear to be supporting Ukraine and its people.

However, the depleted uranium shells are still radioactive, with the amount used, will cause enormous damage to Ukrainian soil.  Remember, Ukraine is the food bowl of Europe.   This will ensure vast tracts of unusable land and too dangerous for human living. 

These will essentially create areas of no man's land.   My guess, is that, this is a subtle way for the UK government to tell Ukraine that the conflict should end soon.

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Bobby. on Mar 28th, 2023 at 1:42pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 28th, 2023 at 7:03am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 24th, 2023 at 10:20am:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6hDfAIOScE


Idiot British James Heappey - Defence Minister - downplays
lethal depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine -
he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Depleted Uranium is still highly radioactive.
It can measure between 100,000 and 1 million counts per minute
with a Geiger counter.
It's not what people want mixed with the soil in Ukraine -
it will end up in our food.
It should not ever be used in warfare and is in some ways a war crime.


This conflict is just getting more desperate the longer it drags on.

Everyone globally is suffering at the hands of 1 man! Putin. God I feel for those poor sods in Russia and Ukraine. Both countries must be sick of this BS!

Using depleted Uranium is IMO tantamount to genocide!

God help us all! We’ve learned nothing from History.



Hi Lisa,
do we have to recount the use of depleted Uranium in Iraq in 1991 to make a point here?

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Bobby. on Mar 28th, 2023 at 1:44pm

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 28th, 2023 at 1:31pm:
I think the depleted uranium is on purpose.   On one side, its an effective counter to heavily armoured Russian forces.   And on surface it appear to be supporting Ukraine and its people.

However, the depleted uranium shells are still radioactive, with the amount used, will cause enormous damage to Ukrainian soil.  Remember, Ukraine is the food bowl of Europe.   This will ensure vast tracts of unusable land and too dangerous for human living. 

These will essentially create areas of no man's land.   My guess, is that, this is a subtle way for the UK government to tell Ukraine that the conflict should end soon.



Ukraine has some of the best land in the world for growing food.
It won't now - it will be contaminated for millions of years with Uranium.
How can any human being destroy land for other people?

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Xavier on Mar 28th, 2023 at 1:51pm

mothra wrote on Mar 28th, 2023 at 10:03am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 28th, 2023 at 7:20am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 28th, 2023 at 7:10am:
Well you know what happened to Ras-Putin, Lisa?> ;)


That’s clever!

And I think you’re right too!



I mean, if this exchange doesn't speak volumes.

Beats your 5 page paperback.

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Lisa Jones on Mar 28th, 2023 at 3:35pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 28th, 2023 at 1:42pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 28th, 2023 at 7:03am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 24th, 2023 at 10:20am:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6hDfAIOScE


Idiot British James Heappey - Defence Minister - downplays
lethal depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine -
he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Depleted Uranium is still highly radioactive.
It can measure between 100,000 and 1 million counts per minute
with a Geiger counter.
It's not what people want mixed with the soil in Ukraine -
it will end up in our food.
It should not ever be used in warfare and is in some ways a war crime.


This conflict is just getting more desperate the longer it drags on.

Everyone globally is suffering at the hands of 1 man! Putin. God I feel for those poor sods in Russia and Ukraine. Both countries must be sick of this BS!

Using depleted Uranium is IMO tantamount to genocide!

God help us all! We’ve learned nothing from History.



Hi Lisa,
do we have to recount the use of depleted Uranium in Iraq in 1991 to make a point here?


Well said Bobby ✅

It seems some people have short term memory issues.

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by athos on Mar 29th, 2023 at 8:50am

Depleted Uranium Doesn't Distinguish Between Ukrainians & Russians, It Poisons Everyone

The Ukraine crisis is deepening, as the West plans to supply the country with toxic depleted uranium shells, with Moscow strongly condemning the move. Chris Helali, an American investigative journalist, called on "US imperialists" to stop, highlighting the dangerous consequences of further warmongering.
Last week, UK Minister of State for Defense Annabel Goldie stated that Britain would provide depleted uranium (DU) ammunition with their Challenger 2 MBT tank delivery to Ukraine. Chris Helali told Sputnik that these byproducts of the nuclear industry "poison the land and poison the people."

"It's very disheartening, to say the least, to see these types of deployments and to see these types of weapons used in a conflict that only is going to affect the people who live there. It's not going to affect any of the war profiteers, the big business enterprises and entrepreneurs and the politicians and military leaders in the West. It is going to affect poor people on their poor farmlands and in their poor villages who are going to have the long term ramifications of these types of weapons," Helali pointed out, asking for attention to be paid to the fate of the common people.
Chris Helali noted that the DU shells used by the US military have caused hundreds of thousands of cases of various diseases, such as birth defects and cancer, along with poisoning the soil and thus agriculture.
"A depleted uranium or plutonium shell or whatever radioactive element they're using doesn't distinguish between Ukrainian and Russian, doesn't distinguish between friend and foe. It poisons everyone," he concluded.
The US military industry produces tons of depleted uranium for use in their MBT and IFV munitions. Such shells are heavier and thus have better penetration capabilities, but uranium is toxic, affecting the local population where such munitions are used.
The journalist said that Russia seeks peace and that it is Western governments who are continuously fueling the conflict with arms supplies.

"We know that Russia has been very receptive to peace, but the West is not interested, and that's very dangerous. And the more we bring in the nuclear card into this, the more it's just a matter of time before something goes awry and many poor people will be affected. And it's something that none of us want to see," Chris Helali warned.
At the same time, the journalist drew attention to a peace protest against US militarism and the sanctions policy held in Washington on March 18. The protest was organized by a coalition of anti-war groups, with participants calling for an end to US military interventions and sanctions that have harmed people in other countries. In particular, demonstrators demanded an end to prolonging the Ukraine conflict by sending lethal military equipment.
Anti-war demonstrators hold a mock drone as they rally during the Poor People's Campaign, Moral March on Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, Saturday, June 18, 2022. - Sputnik International, 1920, 20.03.2023
20 Years Since US Invasion of Iraq

The protest drew a large crowd and included a march to the White House, calling for a change in US foreign policy. The organizers emphasized the need for a more peaceful and cooperative approach to global relations, rather than the use of military force and economic coercion. Commenting on the protests, Helali called the US' actions a "proxy war" and added that "the ruling class is going to continue on with this war as long as possible."

"Throughout the US, there were big demonstrations calling for peace, calling for an end to this proxy war. There have been demonstrations throughout Germany, France, Italy and elsewhere throughout Europe as well. And what you're seeing is that the ruling class is going to continue on with this war as long as possible," the journalist explained.
Meanwhile, Russian President Vladimir Putin recently announced plans to deploy nuclear weapons in Belarus in response to the UK's decision to supply the Kiev regime with DU shells. While Western countries lambasted the announcement, the Russian president pointed out that the United States has long stationed tactical nuclear weapons on the territory of its allies and NATO countries such as Germany, France, Italy, and Turkiye.
Helali noted that "if there was no war going on, it might have been seen simply as sort of a movement on a chessboard," pointing out that the perception of such a move completely changes because of the inflamed tensions, as there were proposals to deploy nuclear weapons in Poland in 2022. "Russia sees this as a proportional response, saying if the US moves into Poland, it's necessary for Russia to move these tactical nuclear weapons onto Belarus' soil."

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by athos on Mar 29th, 2023 at 8:52am

How the West's Depleted Uranium Ammo Spells Death for Soldier and Civilian Alike
https://sputniknews.com/20230323/how-the-wests-depleted-uranium-ammo-spells-death-for-soldier-and-civilian-alike-1108718880.html

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by athos on Mar 29th, 2023 at 8:59am

NATO carried out ‘inhumane experiment’ in Balkans

The US-led military bloc bombed Serbia with toxic depleted uranium, which Britain now wants to give to Ukraine

NATO’s use of depleted uranium munitions in its air war against Yugoslavia was a “horrible and inhumane experiment” against the entire region, Serbian Health Minister Danica Grujicic has said. Contamination from these munitions led to a surge in cancer, autoimmune disease, and infertility, Grujicic added.
NATO used 10 metric tons of depleted uranium – which is used to make the hardened cores of armor-piercing projectiles – during its 1999 air campaign against Yugoslavia, the bloc admitted in a report a year afterwards. Although the report stated that depleted uranium poses “practically no danger" when ingested or absorbed through wounds, evidence from Serbia suggests otherwise.
“Radiation exists at that moment when the explosion occurs, [and] after that the nanoparticles do the work,” Grujicic told Serbia’s RTS television network on Saturday. These particles “enter your lungs, digestive tract, kidneys, and then you can expect at any moment that one alpha particle, which is 50 times more carcinogenic than any other, will come out of one atom of depleted uranium in your body and turn a normal cell into a malignant one,” she explained.
Grujicic said that Serbian physicians began noticing a surge in leukemia and lymphoma cases seven years after the bombing campaign, and have since recorded increases in oncological diseases, pathological pregnancies, autoimmune diseases, mental disorders in children, and infertility in men.
US asks Serbs to ‘set aside’ grievances over bombings
“It was an ugly and inhumane experiment on the entire region, not only Serbia and Montenegro,” she said. “I hope that the international scientific community will understand that it should be investigated in a scientific way and that weapons with depleted uranium will be banned.”
Grucijic has long called for an international inquiry into NATO’s use of depleted uranium. “It is essential that the citizens of Serbia know how much and what kind of damage they suffered,” the former neurosurgeon told local media in 2016, pointing out that 5,500 out of every 100,000 Serbs suffer from some kind of carcinoma, a rate nearly three times the global average.

The UK announced earlier this month that it plans to supply Ukraine with depleted uranium shells for use with British-provided Challenger 2 battle tanks. The Russian Defense Ministry warned that these shells would “cause irreparable harm” to soldiers and civilians alike, and Russian President Vladimir Putin responded on Saturday by announcing that Russia would move some of its tactical nuclear weapons to Belarus this summer.



https://www.rt.com/news/573597-nato-inhumane-balkans/

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by athos on Mar 29th, 2023 at 9:04am
Russia will blow up the stockpile of depleted uranium in Kyiv thereby destroying Ukraine's black soil - their largess resource.
Well I knew the UK leadership doesn't like Russians, they obviously don't like Ukrainians either. They think we'll if we can't have it we'll poison the whole country.
This was also used in the 1991 Gulf War that combined with the rushed Vaccines to 500,000 Americans and the burning gases contributed to thousands getting the Gulf War Syndrome.
The British are TELLING Russia: " We are going to use Radiological Weapons against You, and we DARE you to do something about that". If British Depleted Uranium is used against Russia the Russian Federation will NUKE LONDON!

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Bobby. on Mar 29th, 2023 at 9:08am
Thanks Athos,
depleted Uranium ammunition is a crime against humanity.
It will still be killing people 1000s of years from now.

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Lisa Jones on Mar 29th, 2023 at 10:04am
Dear God 🥺😳🥺

Has humanity lost its mind?



Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Bobby. on Mar 29th, 2023 at 10:09am

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 29th, 2023 at 10:04am:
Dear God 🥺😳🥺

Has humanity lost its mind?



Hi Lisa,
you'd think the Ukrainian tank commanders would say no -

'I don't want your depleted Uranium ammunition -
I'm not here to poison Ukraine - I'm here to save Ukraine.'

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by tickleandrose on Mar 29th, 2023 at 11:07am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 29th, 2023 at 9:08am:
Thanks Athos,
depleted Uranium ammunition is a crime against humanity.
It will still be killing people 1000s of years from now.


The 1/2 life of depleted uranium is 4.5 billion years.

So, it will be issues when the next intelligent life evolve after extinction of humans.

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Lisa Jones on Mar 29th, 2023 at 3:28pm

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 29th, 2023 at 11:07am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 29th, 2023 at 9:08am:
Thanks Athos,
depleted Uranium ammunition is a crime against humanity.
It will still be killing people 1000s of years from now.


The 1/2 life of depleted uranium is 4.5 billion years.

So, it will be issues when the next intelligent life evolve after extinction of humans.


Are you sure about that? Or were you merely exaggerating?

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Lisa Jones on Mar 29th, 2023 at 3:29pm
Oh God 😳🥺😔😩
96C13426-E60F-4ED6-AA2F-13EA2F83D34E.jpeg (98 KB | 9 )

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Bobby. on Mar 29th, 2023 at 3:34pm
https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/05/28/the-dismemberment-of-yugoslavia-20-years-on/

Up to 15 tons of depleted uranium were dropped on Serbia.
(‘Up to 15 tons of depleted uranium used in 1999 Serbia bombing’ — lead lawyer in suit against Nato, RT, 13 June 2017)

Not only has this vicious bombing against Yugoslavia today resulted in
Serbia being the cancer capital of Europe but Prof. Velimir Nedeljkovic,
an expert on environmental issues, has said it was an attack against the planet. Kosovo being geographically located between 3 rivers the Professor goes on to say this was a deliberate experiment to see how a vast region can be contaminated through a river system.

“The bombings were carried out absolutely deliberately, and pursued certain goals. Kosovo is a geographical phenomenon, as rivers originating in this region flow into three seas — the Aegean, the Black and the Adriatic seas. Therefore, Nato used depleted uranium to bomb a small region, but managed to contaminate three seas. Those seas are connected to oceans, so it is evident that the pollution was of a planetary scale,” the expert went on.

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Bobby. on Mar 29th, 2023 at 5:27pm


Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Bobby. on Mar 29th, 2023 at 5:28pm
https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/05/28/the-dismemberment-of-yugoslavia-20-years-on/

Up to 15 tons of depleted uranium were dropped on Serbia.
(‘Up to 15 tons of depleted uranium used in 1999 Serbia bombing’ — lead lawyer in suit against Nato, RT, 13 June 2017)

Not only has this vicious bombing against Yugoslavia today resulted in
Serbia being the cancer capital of Europe but Prof. Velimir Nedeljkovic,
an expert on environmental issues, has said it was an attack against the planet. Kosovo being geographically located between 3 rivers the Professor goes on to say this was a deliberate experiment to see how a vast region can be contaminated through a river system.

“The bombings were carried out absolutely deliberately, and pursued certain goals. Kosovo is a geographical phenomenon, as rivers originating in this region flow into three seas — the Aegean, the Black and the Adriatic seas. Therefore, Nato used depleted uranium to bomb a small region, but managed to contaminate three seas. Those seas are connected to oceans, so it is evident that the pollution was of a planetary scale,” the expert went on.

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Bobby. on Mar 30th, 2023 at 5:30am
See the 5 minute video here:

https://banned.video/watch?id=6424504541e41f5e702a4811


In this exclusive Greg Reese report,
viewers will learn about the potential ramifications of NATO
sending depleted uranium munitions to be used in Ukraine as
the West pushes the globe to the brink of WWIII.

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by issuevoter on Mar 30th, 2023 at 2:52pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 30th, 2023 at 5:30am:
See the 5 minute video here:

https://banned.video/watch?id=6424504541e41f5e702a4811


In this exclusive Greg Reese report,
viewers will learn about the potential ramifications of NATO
sending depleted uranium munitions to be used in Ukraine as
the West pushes to globe to the brink of WWIII.


And so you forgive Putin. Its all the fault of the West.

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Bobby. on Mar 30th, 2023 at 4:09pm

issuevoter wrote on Mar 30th, 2023 at 2:52pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 30th, 2023 at 5:30am:
See the 5 minute video here:

https://banned.video/watch?id=6424504541e41f5e702a4811


In this exclusive Greg Reese report,
viewers will learn about the potential ramifications of NATO
sending depleted uranium munitions to be used in Ukraine as
the West pushes the globe to the brink of WWIII.


And so you forgive Putin. Its all the fault of the West.



No - I hate Putin -

I hope they hang em and hang em high.

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Xavier on Mar 30th, 2023 at 5:33pm
The best thing for the world would have just to let Russia be.
Rather than try to 'destroy' Russia and kill it's citizens.
It would have been better to just make Australia 'replace' the likes of Russia as a new Trading nation of Power.

Considering 'the West' is yet to provide an alternative to replace Russia, just destroying it for it just trying to be a successful nation - reeks of Democrat War Mongering and nothing else.

But hey, everyone knows that when it comes to Economics, Trade, etc - the current USA has to 'destroy' the competition to stay ahead.
This is a very evil and negative way for the whole world.

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Bobby. on Mar 30th, 2023 at 5:52pm

Jasin wrote on Mar 30th, 2023 at 5:33pm:
The best thing for the world would have just to let Russia be.
Rather than try to 'destroy' Russia and kill it's citizens.
It would have been better to just make Australia 'replace' the likes of Russia as a new Trading nation of Power.

Considering 'the West' is yet to provide an alternative to replace Russia, just destroying it for it just trying to be a successful nation - reeks of Democrat War Mongering and nothing else.

But hey, everyone knows that when it comes to Economics, Trade, etc - the current USA has to 'destroy' the competition to stay ahead.
This is a very evil and negative way for the whole world.



to let Russia be ?

We can't have one country invading another country in Europe -

you'd think that lesson would have been learnt from WW1 and WW2 ?

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by athos on Mar 31st, 2023 at 9:52am

issuevoter wrote on Mar 30th, 2023 at 2:52pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 30th, 2023 at 5:30am:
See the 5 minute video here:

https://banned.video/watch?id=6424504541e41f5e702a4811


In this exclusive Greg Reese report,
viewers will learn about the potential ramifications of NATO
sending depleted uranium munitions to be used in Ukraine as
the West pushes to globe to the brink of WWIII.


And so you forgive Putin. Its all the fault of the West.


What did he forgive Putin?
Maybe for planting nuclear weapons on the US border?
Using nuclear bombs on Japan?
Killing innocent people with depleted uranium in Iraq, Serbia, Syria?
Just stick to the facts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP1OAD9jSaI

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by athos on Mar 31st, 2023 at 10:04am

Chris Busby: Europe May Face Cancer, Birth Defects Akin to Fallujah if Kiev Uses Depleted Uranium

The use of uranium ammunition pushed by the UK will cause irreversible harm to the health of the military and civilian population of Ukraine and beyond, the Russian Defense Ministry has warned. Dr Chris Busby, the scientific secretary of the European Committee on Radiation Risk, told Sputnik that Moscow's fears are completely justified.
Russian President Vladimir Putin has accurately identified depleted uranium (DU) munitions as a weapon of mass destruction (WMD) and of indiscriminate effect, emphasized Dr Chris Busby, a physical chemist who has worked for the UK government's uranium committee.
"We were concerned about the reports that were coming from Fallujah about high levels of cancer and birth defects. Since it was impossible to get official data, we decided to run a survey ourselves, in which people went around and knocked on doors and asked who lived in the property, how many people were there, and how many cancers there were, what sort of cancers, how many children had died in the past five years and all these sort of questions," Busby recalled.
He noted that after that, his team analyzed the cancer data that they got over the preceding five years by comparing it with cancer rates in Egypt and in Jordan as a sort of background. They found that the levels of all cancer were enormously high, even higher than in Hiroshima which was subjected to nuclear bombing by the US military on 6 August 1945.
"I've already studied the health effects of the Hiroshima bombing, which are quite well recorded," the scientist continued. "And what we found was that the levels of cancer in Fallujah were higher than that. And the particular cancers that we found were cancers associated with radiation: these were leukemia - particularly leukemia in children - and also lymphoma in children. And that's another disease that you get from radiation, or we believe so. We found out the high level of infant mortality within the first year of life and the cause of these deaths were congenital malformations. We also find out a skewed birth:sex ratio, which is another sign of genetic damage associated with radiation exposure."
When the scientists brought all those results together, they came to the conclusion that there had been some very large genetic damage event which occurred about the time of the Fallujah attacks.

Fallujah Case: Link Found Between DU and Congenital Malformations
Busby and his team suspected that the primary cause of those congenital malformations in Fallujah was DU. The scientist served on the DU committee of the British Ministry of Defense, and he had dealt with lots of reports of ill health associated with serving in the Gulf War by British soldiers.
"I gave evidence on this to the American Congressional Committee on DU and they put me on the board of the Ministry of Defense looking into this sphere," he said. "And because of that, from about 1999 onwards, I was increasingly interested in how it was that uranium, which is a not terribly radioactive substance, could be causing Gulf War syndrome and all the congenital malformation effects that were slowly emerging in the British soldiers and also in the American soldiers."
Iraqi residents living in Fallujah and Arab doctors raised the alarm over the war’s devastating environmental effects in Iraq with a spike in oncological diseases and birth defects in Fallujah. These defects in particular included babies born with only one eye; babies born with missing limbs or too many limbs; a higher than normal incidence of babies with brain damage or tumors; cardiac defects; and missing genitalia.

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Bobby. on Mar 31st, 2023 at 11:13am
Hi Athos,
you're a good man as long as you're not a Putin schill.

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by chimera on Mar 31st, 2023 at 7:45pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 29th, 2023 at 5:28pm:
(‘Up to 15 tons of depleted uranium used in 1999 Serbia bombing’ — lead lawyer in suit against Nato, RT, 13 June 2017)

Not only has this vicious bombing against Yugoslavia today resulted in Serbia being the cancer capital of Europe

Serbia's rate is 291.6 in 100,000.
Slovakia            290.4
Lithuania            287.5
Canada            287.4.
Slovakia and Lithuania deserved it but Canada? Why does Trump hate it so much?

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Bobby. on Mar 31st, 2023 at 7:47pm

chimera wrote on Mar 31st, 2023 at 7:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 29th, 2023 at 5:28pm:
(‘Up to 15 tons of depleted uranium used in 1999 Serbia bombing’ — lead lawyer in suit against Nato, RT, 13 June 2017)

Not only has this vicious bombing against Yugoslavia today resulted in Serbia being the cancer capital of Europe

Serbia's rate is 1 in 291.6
Slovakia            290.4
Lithuania            287.5
Canada            287.4.
Slovakia and Lithuania deserved it but Canada? Why does Trump hate it so much?



Hi Chimera,
would you like to eat some food grown on soil contaminated with depleted Uranium?


Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by chimera on Mar 31st, 2023 at 8:13pm
https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/csem/uranium/pathogenic_changes.html#:~:text=
Uranium%20has%20not%20been%20associated,uranium%20exposure%20is%20the%20kidney.

Occupational use of uranium damages kidneys. A DU shell in a field where spuds grow is way down the scale.

https://royalsociety.org/~/media/royal_society_content/policy/publications/2001/10023.pdf
'In all cases the central estimate of the risk
is less for the uranium workers than for the general
population (the estimated ratio of observed deaths to
expected deaths is less than 1)'.   p 18.
Uranium on your breakfast cereal gives you a glow.

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Bobby. on Mar 31st, 2023 at 8:20pm

chimera wrote on Mar 31st, 2023 at 8:13pm:
https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/csem/uranium/pathogenic_changes.html#:~:text=Uranium%20has%20not%20been%20associated,uranium%20exposure%20is%20the%20kidney

Occupational use of uranium damages kidneys. A DU shell in a field where spuds grow is way down the scale.



So - I'm right - thank you.

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by chimera on Mar 31st, 2023 at 8:34pm
No, you're way down the scale. Eating a spud is not occupational use like Homer Simpson. If you find ammo in your chips, just spit it out. You can tell a cancerous spud - it looks like Trump.

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Bobby. on Mar 31st, 2023 at 8:35pm

chimera wrote on Mar 31st, 2023 at 8:34pm:
No, you're way down the scale. Eating a spud is not occupational use like Bart Simpson. If you find ammo in your chips, just spit it out.



Uranium is soluble in water.

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by chimera on Mar 31st, 2023 at 9:40pm
You can cook the veg in the dark to check the sparks. Or flick a geiger counter over the fish and chips.  You won't need an Xray, just use an old film camera and show the doc.  Serbs are still eating stuff.
https://www.go4worldbusiness.com/suppliers/serbia/fresh-vegetables.html

'Arsenic in your drinking water can be very dangerous to your health if consumed at high levels. However as Arsenic can dissolve from natural rock found at water wells it is widely found throughout Australia’s tap water supplies'.
'However, besides Pb, ammunition includes antimony (Sb), which is added mainly to increase the hardness, whereas arsenic (As) is used to improve the roundness of shot'.

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Ajax on Apr 1st, 2023 at 11:10am
Putin will respond with his deplete Uranium bombs then he will be the bad guy once again WW3 will start

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by athos on Apr 3rd, 2023 at 12:55pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 31st, 2023 at 11:13am:
Hi Athos,
you're a good man as long as you're not a Putin schill.


So you want me to be Biden's chill?
:)

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by Bobby. on Apr 26th, 2023 at 2:52pm
Here is a story from unreliable source.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/hal-turner-radio-show/
I doubt that it will lead to nuclear war but I'm sure it will poison the soil.



https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/flash-british-intel-source-confirms-depleted-uranium-shells-from-uk-have-arrived-in-ukraine


British Intel Source CONFIRMS Depleted Uranium Shells
from UK have arrived in Ukraine



World Hal Turner      25 April 2023



A source within British Intelligence has confirmed to me personally that thousands of rounds of tank shells were shipped to Ukraine as supplies for donated "Challenger" tanks donated to Ukraine.  Among those thousands of tank shells are . . .  DEPLETED URANIUM SHELLS!

Russia has repeatedly and explicitly made clear that if Depleted Uranium shells are fired at Russian troops, Russia will regard the use of the ammunition as being a "Dirty Bomb" attack against Russia, and will respond with radioactive weapons of its own.  They did not say WHICH radioactive weapons.

It is now positively CONFIRMED that the United Kingdom has, in fact, successfully delivered into the possession of the Ukraine Army, Depleted Uranium tank shells.

What this means is that now, it is only a matter of time before Russia detects that such shells have been used by Ukraine, and responds.

That response will likely come without ANY warning at all.

Readers are urged to have their preps (Food, water, medicine, first-aid gear, generator, fuel, and the like) topped-off . . . and to appraise their family members of this situation.   

It's really quite simple: When Ukraine hits Russians with Depleted Uranium shells, Russia will likely hit Ukraine with full blown nuclear weapons.  If that takes place, NATO jumps-in tot he war, and it's nuclear immediately.

OR . . .

Russia may elect to strike at the UK directly for supplying such weapons. Obviously, if THAT happens, it's also instant nuclear war.

In either case, the fight presently between Ukraine and Russia, will very likely go nuclear, and is extremely likely to involve NATO, meaning the outbreak of literal nuclear World War 3.

This can come at any time and without any warning.

Title: Re: depleted Uranium ammunition to be used in Ukraine
Post by issuevoter on Apr 29th, 2023 at 7:30am
"The Federal National Nuclear Security Administration is setting up an advanced network that can verify an attacker’s identity. The United States is wiring Ukraine with sensors that can detect‌‌ bursts of radiation from a nuclear weapon or a dirty bomb and can confirm the identity of the attacker.

In part, the goal is to make sure that if Russia detonates a radioactive weapon on Ukrainian soil, its atomic signature and Moscow’s culpability could be verified."

New York Times, April 28.

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