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Message started by Xavier on Mar 25th, 2023 at 7:21am

Title: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by Xavier on Mar 25th, 2023 at 7:21am
Why would anyone want to be a Government Public School Teacher?
The kids run riot and the Teachers have nothing to enforce discipline for fear of being sued, etc.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=teacher+assaults+student&&view=detail&mid=3373B55E584DC47361C33373B55E584DC47361C3&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dteacher%2Bassaults%2Bstudent%26FORM%3DHDRSC4

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by Aussie on Mar 25th, 2023 at 8:45am
'What if that were my little girl,' a Mum wailed.

Answer your own question 'Mum.'  What would you have done if someone else's little girl assaulted you with a desk?

If that were your little girl, you should applaud and endorse the actions of the teacher and then dish your own discipline at home.  Maybe if you were doing your fuqqing job as a parent, your 'little girl' would conduct herself with respect for her teachers, and not physically attack them.

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by Xavier on Mar 25th, 2023 at 12:37pm
Kids in Government Public Schools are atrocious.
Those boys obviously antagonised the Teacher.

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by Gordon on Mar 25th, 2023 at 12:42pm
You never hit kids, end of story. He should have just walked out of the room long before.

However, I bet he's complained to the principle 100s of times about those kids and nothing was done. Sack the principle.

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by Xavier on Mar 25th, 2023 at 1:35pm
It's a problem in every Government Public School (NSW) where the Parents/Kids in this state who get provided with cheaper almost free Education are abusive towards it.

You don't get kids or Parents of Catholic and Private Schools disrespecting their education. The kids don't abuse their Education Schools because parent's fork out something like $6000 a term - so you can imaging the wrath of the parents if the kids were taking their education for granted and getting suspended or expelled upon their wallets.

But the Public/Government system has become a pathetic example of Education where kids Vap in the playgrounds, even the Teachers Vap while on Recess/Lunch supervision.

There is an extreme lack of discipline in the Public/Govt schools around the State by both students, teachers and parents riding the Taxpayer's money.

Sure, I think the Private Schools who get a lot of $$$$ from their fees (starting at $6,000 a term) shouldn't be getting funding from the Taxpayers via the Government. That is just wrong! If that money was put more into the Govt/Public Schools, the kids self esteem might increase.

But the Public/Gov Schools seem to get the worst of the lot
It's really a lost cause that I don't think will be improved.

As for that Teacher - you're right Gordon, he should have walked out. Chances are you're right on the Principle as well. It's often the case that the Teachers 'can't do anything about it' otherwise most teachers would leave or most kids would be suspended. Physical punishment has been ruled out - so no Canes I guess anymore because scum parents take the Education Board to court for assault these days.

We have a culture where the kids just abuse their Education via the Cheap to Free Government/Public system. Like those boys laughing as if "What are you gonna do about it?", etc.
I've seen kids attack teachers, Parent's come in and hit teachers.
It's almost the flip of when Schools 100 years ago and before were 'brutal' with their punishments to the point in was downright 'abuse' of kids. Seems karma has come back with the kids giving it back.

The first step is to stop Private Schools ripping off Taxpayers  and stealing money that would improve the Government/Public Schools.

Private School buys x2 Lathes for its Industrial Arts section and buys another one via the Taxpayers Govt funding.

Public School buys x1 Lathe if that and probably just that.
You can imagine the boredom of kids having to wait their turn in a class of 30 to use the one Lathe while the Private Kids have x3 Lathes to choose from.
And only last month I had to go and take a photo of something in a Private School industrial arts classroom - which was wall to wall with the latest and greatest machines with plenty to choose from.
I have never ever seen an Industrial Arts classroom privileged like that in a Public/Govt School.

Until this first step of finance gets resolved - things will just get worse in Public/Government Schools where nothing but 'abuse' runs riot in all forms.

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by UnSubRocky on Mar 25th, 2023 at 1:46pm
I have been assaulted by a teacher, when I was 12 years old. The first week of high school, and this (former heroin-addicted) sociopathic teacher decided to take the side of a pederast primary school teacher about an incident that did not involve me. When I was 9 years old, I reported a parent of a fellow student about the student being abused by her father. The teacher, being the white guilt teacher that he was for his era, decided to call me a liar. A month later, the student was taken out of school to leave town. Not long later, the abuse took a turn for the worse. You could imagine that I would have expected people to side with me because I reported the abuse to a teacher. But no. The teacher, fearing a loss of his teaching position (and probably access to young children), did the biggest deflection in history and tried to blame me claiming that my report just provoked the situation.

Three and a half years later, and with no word to my parents about what happened, Mr ex-junkie decides that a fellow pederast is just as credible as he is. He calls me out in class to berate me on something he never witnessed, and would not accept that perpetrators have to accept responsibilities of their own actions. The fact that the teacher allowed abuse to happen and continue would imply that the teacher is complicit in the abuse.

Imagine getting dragged out of class by someone 30kg heavier than you and forced to the ground so that some out of touch 26y.o. could blame you for what his bs artist ****** buddy had alleged.

In these sorts of situation, if something serious happens, the most that a teacher needs to do is to use physical force in self-defence. Even if the student is acting up, you don't use physical force on the student. You get the principal or vice-principal to deal with the matter, if the matter cannot be dealt with in class. And if the student refuses to go to the principal, the principal can issue a suspension to the student. A teacher, even with the support of other witnesses, will have a difficult time undoing the stigma of assaulting a student, if the likelihood that not using physical force was probable to resolving the situation.

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by Aussie on Mar 25th, 2023 at 4:44pm

Gordon wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 12:42pm:
You never hit kids, end of story. He should have just walked out of the room long before.

However, I bet he's complained to the principle 100s of times about those kids and nothing was done. Sack the principle.


There is no school in Australia which is moated from the criminal law in each State.  That teacher was attacked by a thug.  I'd have belted the bastard.

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by Xavier on Mar 25th, 2023 at 4:54pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 1:46pm:
I have been assaulted by a teacher, when I was 12 years old. The first week of high school, and this (former heroin-addicted) sociopathic teacher decided to take the side of a pederast primary school teacher about an incident that did not involve me. When I was 9 years old, I reported a parent of a fellow student about the student being abused by her father. The teacher, being the white guilt teacher that he was for his era, decided to call me a liar. A month later, the student was taken out of school to leave town. Not long later, the abuse took a turn for the worse. You could imagine that I would have expected people to side with me because I reported the abuse to a teacher. But no. The teacher, fearing a loss of his teaching position (and probably access to young children), did the biggest deflection in history and tried to blame me claiming that my report just provoked the situation.

Three and a half years later, and with no word to my parents about what happened, Mr ex-junkie decides that a fellow pederast is just as credible as he is. He calls me out in class to berate me on something he never witnessed, and would not accept that perpetrators have to accept responsibilities of their own actions. The fact that the teacher allowed abuse to happen and continue would imply that the teacher is complicit in the abuse.

Imagine getting dragged out of class by someone 30kg heavier than you and forced to the ground so that some out of touch 26y.o. could blame you for what his bs artist ****** buddy had alleged.

In these sorts of situation, if something serious happens, the most that a teacher needs to do is to use physical force in self-defence. Even if the student is acting up, you don't use physical force on the student. You get the principal or vice-principal to deal with the matter, if the matter cannot be dealt with in class. And if the student refuses to go to the principal, the principal can issue a suspension to the student. A teacher, even with the support of other witnesses, will have a difficult time undoing the stigma of assaulting a student, if the likelihood that not using physical force was probable to resolving the situation.

You got a real rotten deal there Subby, for trying to do the right thing. All that matters is that you knew you did the right thing and they can't take that away from you, no matter the abuse they handed out to you, because you scared the hell out of them for everyone else to see.

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by Xavier on Mar 25th, 2023 at 4:58pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 4:44pm:

Gordon wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 12:42pm:
You never hit kids, end of story. He should have just walked out of the room long before.

However, I bet he's complained to the principle 100s of times about those kids and nothing was done. Sack the principle.


There is no school in Australia which is moated from the criminal law in each State.  That teacher was attacked by a thug.  I'd have belted the bastard.

Only 'Women' should be allowed to belt 'kids'.
That teacher should have got some female teacher to come in and smack them around as an 'emotional abuse' those boys threw at that male teacher is made redundant by the female(s) teacher.
The world would have cheered and the clip go viral if a female came in to bi*tch slap those boys into shape.
If those boys hit back (like weak cowards) - that's when an Adult male can step in and let em rip.

You're susceptible to emotional blackmail Aussie.
But hey, you are corrupt and hence your Big Hands with kids.

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by UnSubRocky on Mar 25th, 2023 at 4:59pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 4:44pm:

Gordon wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 12:42pm:
You never hit kids, end of story. He should have just walked out of the room long before.

However, I bet he's complained to the principle 100s of times about those kids and nothing was done. Sack the principle.


There is no school in Australia which is moated from the criminal law in each State.  That teacher was attacked by a thug.  I'd have belted the bastard.


You might. But, you would be arrested. You only need to do enough to defend yourself and no further. If they have a weapon, then you can escalate how much force you would use against a perp. But, if the whole reason for belting some student was revenge, you would risk losing your job and your freedom.

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by Xavier on Mar 25th, 2023 at 5:04pm
Won't be long. Soon the kids will be killing each other, killing teachers, teachers killing students.

While this is happening. The Catholic and Private Schools will double their fees on parents who are afraid of the Govt/Public alternative for their kids.

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by Aussie on Mar 25th, 2023 at 5:06pm
I would have launched at the prick the instant he tossed that table at me. He would never had had a second opportunity to assault me again, ever.

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by Xavier on Mar 25th, 2023 at 5:08pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 5:06pm:
I would have launched at the prick the instant he tossed that table at me. He would never had had a second opportunity to assault me again, ever.

You weak little bully.
Can't you 'handle' kids the right way?

I bet you get a stiffy when you put your big hands on kids.

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by UnSubRocky on Mar 25th, 2023 at 5:17pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 5:06pm:
I would have launched at the prick the instant he tossed that table at me. He would never had had a second opportunity to assault me again, ever.


Does the idea of a father hearing about you beating up his son not factor into your mindset? We have already seen video footage of the mother complaining about the teacher's actions against her son. You could probably imagine a father seeing this footage and drawing the same conclusion. They would be in the wrong to take physical action against the teacher, not saying that they would.

No matter how big you are, you could imagine that the perp might involve someone even bigger than you.

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by Aussie on Mar 25th, 2023 at 5:18pm

Jasin wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 5:08pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 5:06pm:
I would have launched at the prick the instant he tossed that table at me. He would never had had a second opportunity to assault me again, ever.

You weak little bully.
Can't you 'handle' kids the right way?

I bet you get a stiffy when you put your big hands on kids.


No-one gets two shots at me, no-one.

No-one should be expected to be the punching bag of pricks like that schit.

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by Xavier on Mar 25th, 2023 at 5:24pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 5:18pm:

Jasin wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 5:08pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 5:06pm:
I would have launched at the prick the instant he tossed that table at me. He would never had had a second opportunity to assault me again, ever.

You weak little bully.
Can't you 'handle' kids the right way?

I bet you get a stiffy when you put your big hands on kids.


No-one gets two shots at me, no-one.

No-one should be expected to be the punching bag of pricks like that schit.

Awww. You poor cowardly weakling. Don't you know how to take a beating?
If an old woman hit you over the head with her umbrella - would you give her an uppercut?

It's quite obvious Aussie that your 'shield' is pretty piss-poor and probably made out of tinfoil and cupcakes.

Kids scare you don't they Aussie?
What have you done to kids to make them so scary to you if they attack?

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by Valkie on Apr 12th, 2023 at 5:11am
Darkie takes on teacher.

Darkie complains that teacher is a tough nut to crack

media gets all uppity about darkie being put in its place.

Teacher should have clobbered the little turd and taught it where its place is.

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by Lisa Jones on Apr 12th, 2023 at 8:20am

Jasin wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 7:21am:
Why would anyone want to be a Government Public School Teacher?
The kids run riot and the Teachers have nothing to enforce discipline for fear of being sued, etc.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=teacher+assaults+student&&view=detail&mid=3373B55E584DC47361C33373B55E584DC47361C3&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dteacher%2Bassaults%2Bstudent%26FORM%3DHDRSC4


That’s why many TEACHERS are walking out of GOVERNMENT schools and trying to get jobs in PRIVATE schools.

(It’s also why many parents are choosing PRIVATE schools.)

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by Lisa Jones on Apr 12th, 2023 at 8:23am

Gordon wrote on Mar 25th, 2023 at 12:42pm:
You never hit kids, end of story. He should have just walked out of the room long before.

However, I bet he's complained to the principle 100s of times about those kids and nothing was done. Sack the principle.


Which principle would that be?

Or did you mean principal?

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by Xavier on Apr 12th, 2023 at 8:29am
Kids run riot in Government schools (NSW) with the 'Freedom' to do what they like. The Teachers are apathetic or just don't have a clue how to deal with such behaviour or they do, but they just can't do it. These schools are ruled by the Dead-Beat loser kids, rather than by kids that will be 'Achievers'.

Welcome to Clayton High School.
The School you have, when you don't really have a School.

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by Lisa Jones on Apr 12th, 2023 at 8:34am

Jasin wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 8:29am:
Kids run riot in Government schools (NSW) with the 'Freedom' to do what they like. The Teachers are apathetic or just don't have a clue how to deal with such behaviour or they do, but they just can't do it. These schools are ruled by the Dead-Beat loser kids, rather than by kids that will be 'Achievers'.

Welcome to Clayton High School.
The School you have, when you don't really have a School.


Pretty much.

The ONLY exception? Selective government high schools.

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by Xavier on Apr 12th, 2023 at 8:36am

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 8:34am:

Jasin wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 8:29am:
Kids run riot in Government schools (NSW) with the 'Freedom' to do what they like. The Teachers are apathetic or just don't have a clue how to deal with such behaviour or they do, but they just can't do it. These schools are ruled by the Dead-Beat loser kids, rather than by kids that will be 'Achievers'.

Welcome to Clayton High School.
The School you have, when you don't really have a School.


Pretty much.

The ONLY exception? Selective government high schools.

They're run by 'Achievers' - but they're all 'GAY'.

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by Lisa Jones on Apr 12th, 2023 at 8:37am

Jasin wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 8:36am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 8:34am:

Jasin wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 8:29am:
Kids run riot in Government schools (NSW) with the 'Freedom' to do what they like. The Teachers are apathetic or just don't have a clue how to deal with such behaviour or they do, but they just can't do it. These schools are ruled by the Dead-Beat loser kids, rather than by kids that will be 'Achievers'.

Welcome to Clayton High School.
The School you have, when you don't really have a School.


Pretty much.

The ONLY exception? Selective government high schools.

They're run by 'Achievers' - but they're all 'GAY'.


Ha! Maybe 😂🤣😆

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by Xavier on Apr 12th, 2023 at 8:42am
No it's true.
It's Rednecks at one end, and Gays at the other end.
Either way you're screwed.

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by Lisa Jones on Apr 12th, 2023 at 9:48am

Jasin wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 8:42am:
No it's true.
It's Rednecks at one end, and Gays at the other end.
Either way you're screwed.


Our kids are/were private school educated.

Private education is like private health care - decent.

Public education is like public health care - totally stuffed and beyond help.

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by UnSubRocky on Apr 13th, 2023 at 11:30pm

Valkie wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 5:11am:
Darkie takes on teacher.

Darkie complains that teacher is a tough nut to crack

media gets all uppity about darkie being put in its place.

Teacher should have clobbered the little turd and taught it where its place is.


The most force you use during a fight is enough force to make the fight stop. You don't start the fight. You don't continue the fight. And when the fight is over, through a withdrawal of the opponent, you don't go after them.

A teacher would know their rights and responsibilities. A student only needs to be removed from the classroom and suspended or expelled to get the punishment they deserve.

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by UnSubRocky on Apr 13th, 2023 at 11:44pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 9:48am:

Jasin wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 8:42am:
No it's true.
It's Rednecks at one end, and Gays at the other end.
Either way you're screwed.


Our kids are/were private school educated.

Private education is like private health care - decent.

Public education is like public health care - totally stuffed and beyond help.


That depends on which school you are sending your child. The child featured as the troublemaker of this story was sent to a private school. He acted up. The fact that he was at a private school meant that he was in a privileged position.

Fights have happened at my high school probably once a month, when I was attending. But, you could not wish for a much better school spirit. And the teachers were quite happy to teach us. And from what I see of my children's attendance there, the school spirit continues to shine.

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by Dnarever on Apr 13th, 2023 at 11:57pm
When I was at school a boy in my class fought a teacher. It was his last day in education.

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by UnSubRocky on Apr 14th, 2023 at 12:25am

Dnarever wrote on Apr 13th, 2023 at 11:57pm:
When I was at school a boy in my class fought a teacher. It was his last day in education.


It was whose last day in education?

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by Valkie on Apr 14th, 2023 at 8:29am

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 13th, 2023 at 11:30pm:

Valkie wrote on Apr 12th, 2023 at 5:11am:
Darkie takes on teacher.

Darkie complains that teacher is a tough nut to crack

media gets all uppity about darkie being put in its place.

Teacher should have clobbered the little turd and taught it where its place is.


The most force you use during a fight is enough force to make the fight stop. You don't start the fight. You don't continue the fight. And when the fight is over, through a withdrawal of the opponent, you don't go after them.

A teacher would know their rights and responsibilities. A student only needs to be removed from the classroom and suspended or expelled to get the punishment they deserve.


That is not a sensible or final solution.

The fight ends when the other party is either incapable of getting up or is running away.

While they are still standing, they are a threat.

Children need to be taught that actions bring consequences.

If it takes a clobbering or two to do it so be it.

Besides, take a look at the "kid"
he wasnt a kid, he was near adult size and obviously a violent little turd who would be beating up on other kids frequently.
Violence begets violence, the silly little turd brought it onm himself.

The teacher should be applauded

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by Dnarever on Apr 14th, 2023 at 8:50am

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 14th, 2023 at 12:25am:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 13th, 2023 at 11:57pm:
When I was at school a boy in my class fought a teacher. It was his last day in education.


It was whose last day in education?


The Student was vanished, never to be seen by most fellow students again.

Next I heard he was selling drugs. He occasionally posts on a site I visit rarely.

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by Xavier on Apr 14th, 2023 at 10:28am
Now wouldn't it be 'wise' for a 'kid' (because at 19 - they are still 'teenies') who finishes Year 12. To go out into the workforce and get some people skills with everyday life (and save some money for Uni) for at least 2 years - BEFORE they go to Uni to study to become a Teacher.

This would give the now mature adult future Teacher, not just People skills, but other abilities - like not being institutionalised and have at least 2 years where they have to 'think for themselves'. To understand the 'Workforce' - so as to have experience in what they will be preparing their future students for. I'm sure there's more.

This way, they come back to High School or Primary with their Degree in Education with much more character and ability to deal with students in a 'mature' way.

I could spot the Teachers who went straight from High School, into Uni and back into High School to teach.
They lacked 'personality' for one thing.
They lacked ability to think for themselves with that.
They couldn't cope with the personalities of the students.
They exhibited a lack enthusiasm beyond just doing their job.

When anything went outside the square of the 'institutionalism' they kept safe within - they could not cope at all.


"We tease him a lot, because we got him on the spot. Welcome back. Welcome back. Welcome back. Welcome back."

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by UnSubRocky on Apr 14th, 2023 at 2:21pm

Valkie wrote on Apr 14th, 2023 at 8:29am:
That is not a sensible or final solution.

The fight ends when the other party is either incapable of getting up or is running away.

While they are still standing, they are a threat.

Children need to be taught that actions bring consequences.

If it takes a clobbering or two to do it so be it.

Besides, take a look at the "kid"
he wasnt a kid, he was near adult size and obviously a violent little turd who would be beating up on other kids frequently.
Violence begets violence, the silly little turd brought it onm himself.

The teacher should be applauded


The fight ends when either party is no longer fighting. And if either party keeps fighting beyond the necessary use of force to stop the fight, they are guilty of assault.

The teacher, by the looks of the video, does have the right to defend himself. But, if he took things any further, he deserves a reprimand.

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by Xavier on Apr 14th, 2023 at 6:25pm
The legal 'self defence' is the 'one punch/push' rule.
You are legally allowed to punch your assailant away.
If the assailant comes back for more - again, just one punch/push them away. This can go on.

The other is 'restraint' holds.

The loophole is that if you feel like adding a few more punches, then you must not leave any bruises or marks.
So its best to be accurate with the 'bread basket' target.

Title: Re: Teacher v Student Fight
Post by UnSubRocky on Apr 14th, 2023 at 10:06pm
The law allows a person to use whatever force is necessary. You cannot shoot someone who has punched you. You cannot punch someone back who has flicked you. You only need to use the amount of force necessary to stop the attacks from continuing.

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