From another topic (which is relevant to Good Friday, Easter Saturday and Easter Sunday)


Bobby. wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 7:40am:

In the Bible they used to crucify thieves.   :-?

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 11:18am:

Yes ... that was what the Roman Empire did around 2000 years ago in order to keep law and order in all the Mediterranean countries they controlled. They crucified thieves and anyone they deemed was a threat to the stability of the Roman Empire. In fact that’s why they crucified Jesus Christ. However the Romans were clever in how they went about it. They took the opportunity to pretend to allow the Jews to think they had the power to decide the fate of Jesus Christ. This made the Jews think they had control over legal process. They didn’t of course. It was just a mind game of sorts. The Jews (led by proud and notable religious leaders and lawyers) argued FOR Jesus Christ’s crucifixion. The Romans essentially responded with a quick “OK - whatever you reckon.” And that’s how Jesus Christ found himself crucified btwn 2 other crucified thieves. Those Roman soldiers who were on guard at the crucifixion had front row seats to the whole thing. The Roman soldier/guard nearest Jesus saw and heard everything Jesus uttered as He lay slowly bleeding to death in what has often been described by historians as a horrific and slow torturous method. Anyway THAT Roman soldier soon realised the senseless brutality of what had taken place AFTER seeing and hearing what Jesus said whilst in so much unbearable pain and agony. The Roman’s remarks whilst on duty are captured in the Bible : Truly this man was indeed the Son of God. He had a vision of the confronting reality of the event. It’s a pity many so called Christians today - don’t. Anyway - have a safe Easter. Please note the Easter we celebrate at this time has nothing to do with Jesus Christ. It’s a pagan festival that the Roman Catholic Church infused into its pagan based religious system in order to appease its citizens at the time so they could control the spread of Christianity under their official Roman rules and regulations. The Roman Catholic Church is merely that. Do not think for a moment it has anything to do with God and Jesus Christ and the Holy Bible. It’s an extension of paganism and only the uneducated and unaware think otherwise. Whilst at Sydney Uni I undertook some subjects in Ancient History and Bible History. In these areas we were lectured by eminent atheist scholars who had no qualms about telling students what Roman Catholicism was really about and how it originated and framed/controlled History. Anyway ... apologies for the long post. Cheers

Are you watching "The Passion of the Christ" tomorrow? I have the DVD. It is the only religious-relevant movie I have in my collection that I would be willing to watch.

The Romans used crucifixion exclusively for the execution of anyone found guilty of sedition against Roman rule.

They did not use crucifixion for common criminals, that is a falsehood made popular by the new testament.

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 11:22am:

Please note the Easter we celebrate at this time has nothing to do with Jesus Christ. It’s a pagan festival that the Roman Catholic Church infused into its pagan based religious system in order to appease its citizens at the time so they could control the spread of Christianity under their official Roman rules and regulations. The Roman Catholic Church is merely that. Do not think for a moment it has anything to do with God and Jesus Christ and the Holy Bible. It’s an extension of paganism and only the uneducated and unaware think otherwise.

Indeed, an early 1st century composer  of the evolving NT - Marcion - rejected the OT entirely because he perceived Jehovah - "man of war" - was incompatible with Christ, the 'Prince of Peace'.


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Whilst at Sydney Uni I undertook some subjects in Ancient History and Bible History. In these areas we were lectured by eminent atheist scholars who had no qualms about telling students what Roman Catholicism was really about and how it originated and framed/controlled History.

Catholicism has two strands of course,  based around 'poverty' and 'luxury'.


But as to Jesus Christ, where do you stand on homelessness and unaffordable rents in Oz, the result of the current Oz 'get rich quick' housing ponzi which is locking increasing numbers of people out of home ownership?

"It's easier to thread a ship's anchor with a cable,  than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. "

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 1:30pm:

The Romans used crucifixion exclusively for the execution of anyone found guilty of sedition against Roman rule. They did not use crucifixion for common criminals, that is a falsehood made popular by the new testament.

Crucifixions generally were for serious crimes in which the perpetrator either died, or did not do what they did again.

When someone is crucified, they are tied with rope to a cross. Then they get planted into the ground upside down and left for some time. After a while, the perpetrator either dies from his invertedness, or he suffers physically and emotionally. If he survives, he is let down to continue his life (humbled). Otherwise, he is left to die.

The idea of putting nails through the wrist and feet was considered barbaric, even for that time period. They also did not want to waste nails on executing people (regardless of whether they could dig the nails out afterwards).

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 2:44pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 1:30pm: The Romans used crucifixion exclusively for the execution of anyone found guilty of sedition against Roman rule. They did not use crucifixion for common criminals, that is a falsehood made popular by the new testament. Crucifixions generally were for serious crimes in which the perpetrator either died, or did not do what they did again. When someone is crucified, they are tied with rope to a cross. Then they get planted into the ground upside down and left for some time. After a while, the perpetrator either dies from his invertedness, or he suffers physically and emotionally. If he survives, he is let down to continue his life (humbled). Otherwise, he is left to die. The idea of putting nails through the wrist and feet was considered barbaric, even for that time period. They also did not want to waste nails on executing people (regardless of whether they could dig the nails out afterwards).

No one was intended to survive crucifixion.

Crucifixion was the most humiliating and painful form of execution used exclusively for sedition against Roman rule.

The victim was fixed to a cross which was planted close to the gates of a town/city so all could witness the suffering of the seditionists, as if their screams of agony would not have been enough.

The cross was also planted such that the victims' feet were low enough to the ground to allow carrion birds and other animals to begin eating the victim alive.

Carrion birds, such as vultures, could perch on the crossbar and begin eating the victim's eyes, ears, face, and arms while they were still alive.

Death could take up to three days, probably extended if the victim's family and friends could muster the courage to avoid any curfew and remain at the cross to scare off carrion animals.

Those condemned who were tied to the cross upright, might well have starved or, more likely, dehydrated in a matter of 3 days. But, there were those that were tied to the cross as a punishment -- not just as an execution.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 1:30pm:

The Romans used crucifixion exclusively for the execution of anyone found guilty of sedition against Roman rule. They did not use crucifixion for common criminals, that is a falsehood made popular by the new testament.

That is blasphemy and heresy.

That is you not really knowing the bible.

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 4:42pm:

That is you not really knowing the bible.

Silence - you heretic.

Nah, I know things from reading that you will NEVER know, peabrain.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 3:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 1:30pm: The Romans used crucifixion exclusively for the execution of anyone found guilty of sedition against Roman rule. They did not use crucifixion for common criminals, that is a falsehood made popular by the new testament. That is blasphemy and heresy.

And Jesus would not have been crucified wearing a courtesy loin cloth to protect his dignity. All those crucified were stripped naked.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 5:35pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 3:26pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 1:30pm: The Romans used crucifixion exclusively for the execution of anyone found guilty of sedition against Roman rule. They did not use crucifixion for common criminals, that is a falsehood made popular by the new testament. That is blasphemy and heresy. And Jesus would not have been crucified wearing a courtesy loin cloth to protect his dignity. All those crucified were stripped naked.

now you've got goobers attention ;D

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 3:09pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 2:44pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 1:30pm: The Romans used crucifixion exclusively for the execution of anyone found guilty of sedition against Roman rule. They did not use crucifixion for common criminals, that is a falsehood made popular by the new testament. Crucifixions generally were for serious crimes in which the perpetrator either died, or did not do what they did again. When someone is crucified, they are tied with rope to a cross. Then they get planted into the ground upside down and left for some time. After a while, the perpetrator either dies from his invertedness, or he suffers physically and emotionally. If he survives, he is let down to continue his life (humbled). Otherwise, he is left to die. The idea of putting nails through the wrist and feet was considered barbaric, even for that time period. They also did not want to waste nails on executing people (regardless of whether they could dig the nails out afterwards). No one was intended to survive crucifixion. Crucifixion was the most humiliating and painful form of execution used exclusively for sedition against Roman rule. The victim was fixed to a cross which was planted close to the gates of a town/city so all could witness the suffering of the seditionists, as if their screams of agony would not have been enough. The cross was also planted such that the victims' feet were low enough to the ground to allow carrion birds and other animals to begin eating the victim alive. Carrion birds, such as vultures, could perch on the crossbar and begin eating the victim's eyes, ears, face, and arms while they were still alive. Death could take up to three days, probably extended if the victim's family and friends could muster the courage to avoid any curfew and remain at the cross to scare off carrion animals.

wow

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 5:35pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 3:26pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 1:30pm: The Romans used crucifixion exclusively for the execution of anyone found guilty of sedition against Roman rule. They did not use crucifixion for common criminals, that is a falsehood made popular by the new testament. That is blasphemy and heresy. And Jesus would not have been crucified wearing a courtesy loin cloth to protect his dignity. All those crucified were stripped naked.

More blasphemy and heresy.

I need to whip the Ozpolitic heathens into shape.

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 1:18pm:

Are you watching "The Passion of the Christ" tomorrow? I have the DVD. It is the only religious-relevant movie I have in my collection that I would be willing to watch.

Yep. We are!

Bobby. wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 3:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 1:30pm: The Romans used crucifixion exclusively for the execution of anyone found guilty of sedition against Roman rule. They did not use crucifixion for common criminals, that is a falsehood made popular by the new testament. That is blasphemy and heresy.

Ignore him. He’s a (closet) Catholic ie an atheist or a pagan.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 5:46pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 5:35pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 3:26pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 1:30pm: The Romans used crucifixion exclusively for the execution of anyone found guilty of sedition against Roman rule. They did not use crucifixion for common criminals, that is a falsehood made popular by the new testament. That is blasphemy and heresy. And Jesus would not have been crucified wearing a courtesy loin cloth to protect his dignity. All those crucified were stripped naked. More blasphemy and heresy. I need to whip the Ozpolitic heathens into shape.

And another thing. When the soldier pierced Jesus' side and blood and water came out, that is proof of life not death - it meant that there was still vascular activity, so his heart was still beating. If the story is true, he was taken down from the cross alive, not dead.

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 5:48pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 1:18pm: Are you watching "The Passion of the Christ" tomorrow? I have the DVD. It is the only religious-relevant movie I have in my collection that I would be willing to watch. Yep. We are!

"The Passion of the Christ"  is not on TV this year.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 5:55pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 5:46pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 5:35pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 3:26pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 1:30pm: The Romans used crucifixion exclusively for the execution of anyone found guilty of sedition against Roman rule. They did not use crucifixion for common criminals, that is a falsehood made popular by the new testament. That is blasphemy and heresy. And Jesus would not have been crucified wearing a courtesy loin cloth to protect his dignity. All those crucified were stripped naked. More blasphemy and heresy. I need to whip the Ozpolitic heathens into shape. And another thing. When the soldier pierced Jesus' side and blood and water came out, that is proof of life not death - it meant that there was still vascular activity, so his heart was still beating. If the story is true, he was taken down from the cross alive, not dead.

More blasphemy and heresy.

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 5:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 3:26pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 1:30pm: The Romans used crucifixion exclusively for the execution of anyone found guilty of sedition against Roman rule. They did not use crucifixion for common criminals, that is a falsehood made popular by the new testament. That is blasphemy and heresy. Ignore him. He’s a (closet) Catholic ie an atheist or a pagan.

He's a heretic.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 5:58pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 5:55pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 5:46pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 5:35pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 3:26pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 1:30pm: The Romans used crucifixion exclusively for the execution of anyone found guilty of sedition against Roman rule. They did not use crucifixion for common criminals, that is a falsehood made popular by the new testament. That is blasphemy and heresy. And Jesus would not have been crucified wearing a courtesy loin cloth to protect his dignity. All those crucified were stripped naked. More blasphemy and heresy. I need to whip the Ozpolitic heathens into shape. And another thing. When the soldier pierced Jesus' side and blood and water came out, that is proof of life not death - it meant that there was still vascular activity, so his heart was still beating. If the story is true, he was taken down from the cross alive, not dead. More blasphemy and heresy.

And it was not the Jewish Sanhedrin who turned Jesus over to be put to death for blasphemy because 'they had no law to put a man to death' - Jewish priests regularly condemned blaspheming Jews to be stoned to death.

He was arrested by Romans for suspected sedition when he entered the temple and disrupted commerce within the temple grounds.

The Romans approved of the custom of buying and selling sacrificial animals and payments of temple tax imposed by the Sanhedrin and saw to it that the trade was prolific as they got a cut. Anyone who disrupted the trade was dealt to by the Roman temple guards.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 6:10pm:

And it was not the Jewish Sanhedrin who turned Jesus over to be put to death for blasphemy because 'they had no law to put a man to death' - Jewish priests regularly condemned blaspheming Jews to be stoned to death. He was arrested by Romans for suspected sedition when he entered the temple and disrupted commerce within the temple grounds. The Romans approved of the custom of buying and selling sacrificial animals and payments of temple tax imposed by the Sanhedrin and saw to it that the trade was prolific as they got a cut. Anyone who disrupted the trade was dealt to by the Roman temple guards.

Jesus whipped the money lenders and turned over their tables:

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_nI3hoXnFTno/S7f04JXudNI/AAAAAAAAAnQ/aIOU344qaq4/s1600/cleansing+the+temple.PNG

Bobby. wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 6:16pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 6:10pm: And it was not the Jewish Sanhedrin who turned Jesus over to be put to death for blasphemy because 'they had no law to put a man to death' - Jewish priests regularly condemned blaspheming Jews to be stoned to death. He was arrested by Romans for suspected sedition when he entered the temple and disrupted commerce within the temple grounds. The Romans approved of the custom of buying and selling sacrificial animals and payments of temple tax imposed by the Sanhedrin and saw to it that the trade was prolific as they got a cut. Anyone who disrupted the trade was dealt to by the Roman temple guards. Jesus whipped the money lenders and turned over their tables: https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_nI3hoXnFTno/S7f04JXudNI/AAAAAAAAAnQ/aIOU344qaq4/s1600/cleansing+the+temple.PNG

Yes. That was his first and last political act. For that, he was executed as a seditionist by the Romans under the Prefect Pontius Pilate.

Pilate was chosen by Tiberius for the role in the seditious land of Judaea because he was known to be brutal even by Roman standards. Today he would likely have been diagnosed as a psycho-killer.

And what was Jesus's last words upon the Cross where 'his' Jewish people put him?
"Wait till me little brother Hitler gets yas - yar bastards!" >:(

Saw a man yesterday, hanging from a Cross, arms wide.
Another bystander came up to look at the man also.
I said "What do you call that?"
He said "A rotten way to spend Easter." and walked away.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 6:26pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 6:16pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 6:10pm: And it was not the Jewish Sanhedrin who turned Jesus over to be put to death for blasphemy because 'they had no law to put a man to death' - Jewish priests regularly condemned blaspheming Jews to be stoned to death. He was arrested by Romans for suspected sedition when he entered the temple and disrupted commerce within the temple grounds. The Romans approved of the custom of buying and selling sacrificial animals and payments of temple tax imposed by the Sanhedrin and saw to it that the trade was prolific as they got a cut. Anyone who disrupted the trade was dealt to by the Roman temple guards. Jesus whipped the money lenders and turned over their tables: https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_nI3hoXnFTno/S7f04JXudNI/AAAAAAAAAnQ/aIOU344qaq4/s1600/cleansing+the+temple.PNG Yes. That was his first and last political act. For that, he was executed as a seditionist by the Romans under the Prefect Pontius Pilate. Pilate was chosen by Tiberius for the role in the seditious land of Judaea because he was known to be brutal even by Roman standards. Today he would likely have been diagnosed as a psycho-killer.

He washed his hands and sealed his fate.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwtyn-L-2gQ

You know all Messiahs are Gay, Bobby?
Just like all Prophets are Rednecks.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 6:35pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 6:26pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 6:16pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 6:10pm: And it was not the Jewish Sanhedrin who turned Jesus over to be put to death for blasphemy because 'they had no law to put a man to death' - Jewish priests regularly condemned blaspheming Jews to be stoned to death. He was arrested by Romans for suspected sedition when he entered the temple and disrupted commerce within the temple grounds. The Romans approved of the custom of buying and selling sacrificial animals and payments of temple tax imposed by the Sanhedrin and saw to it that the trade was prolific as they got a cut. Anyone who disrupted the trade was dealt to by the Roman temple guards. Jesus whipped the money lenders and turned over their tables: https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_nI3hoXnFTno/S7f04JXudNI/AAAAAAAAAnQ/aIOU344qaq4/s1600/cleansing+the+temple.PNG Yes. That was his first and last political act. For that, he was executed as a seditionist by the Romans under the Prefect Pontius Pilate. Pilate was chosen by Tiberius for the role in the seditious land of Judaea because he was known to be brutal even by Roman standards. Today he would likely have been diagnosed as a psycho-killer. He washed his hands and sealed his fate. []https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwtyn-L-2gQ

All Roman records of Pilate record him as one of the most efficient, brutal military seniors of Rome.

He was sent to Judaea to impose Roman rule at any cost.

The idea that Pilate would have wasted more than 10 seconds before condemning Jesus to death is another new testament falsehood.

Jasin wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 6:38pm:

You know all Messiahs are Gay, Bobby? Just like all Prophets are Rednecks.

Heresy.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 6:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 6:35pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 6:26pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 6:16pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 6:10pm: And it was not the Jewish Sanhedrin who turned Jesus over to be put to death for blasphemy because 'they had no law to put a man to death' - Jewish priests regularly condemned blaspheming Jews to be stoned to death. He was arrested by Romans for suspected sedition when he entered the temple and disrupted commerce within the temple grounds. The Romans approved of the custom of buying and selling sacrificial animals and payments of temple tax imposed by the Sanhedrin and saw to it that the trade was prolific as they got a cut. Anyone who disrupted the trade was dealt to by the Roman temple guards. Jesus whipped the money lenders and turned over their tables: https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_nI3hoXnFTno/S7f04JXudNI/AAAAAAAAAnQ/aIOU344qaq4/s1600/cleansing+the+temple.PNG Yes. That was his first and last political act. For that, he was executed as a seditionist by the Romans under the Prefect Pontius Pilate. Pilate was chosen by Tiberius for the role in the seditious land of Judaea because he was known to be brutal even by Roman standards. Today he would likely have been diagnosed as a psycho-killer. He washed his hands and sealed his fate. []https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwtyn-L-2gQ All Roman records of Pilate record him as one of the most efficient, brutal military seniors of Rome. He was sent to Judaea to impose Roman rule at any cost. The idea that Pilate would have wasted more than 10 seconds before condemning Jesus to death is another new testament falsehood.

heresy - he washed his hands of it.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 6:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 6:35pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 6:26pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 6:16pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 6:10pm: And it was not the Jewish Sanhedrin who turned Jesus over to be put to death for blasphemy because 'they had no law to put a man to death' - Jewish priests regularly condemned blaspheming Jews to be stoned to death. He was arrested by Romans for suspected sedition when he entered the temple and disrupted commerce within the temple grounds. The Romans approved of the custom of buying and selling sacrificial animals and payments of temple tax imposed by the Sanhedrin and saw to it that the trade was prolific as they got a cut. Anyone who disrupted the trade was dealt to by the Roman temple guards. Jesus whipped the money lenders and turned over their tables: https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_nI3hoXnFTno/S7f04JXudNI/AAAAAAAAAnQ/aIOU344qaq4/s1600/cleansing+the+temple.PNG Yes. That was his first and last political act. For that, he was executed as a seditionist by the Romans under the Prefect Pontius Pilate. Pilate was chosen by Tiberius for the role in the seditious land of Judaea because he was known to be brutal even by Roman standards. Today he would likely have been diagnosed as a psycho-killer. He washed his hands and sealed his fate. []https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwtyn-L-2gQ All Roman records of Pilate record him as one of the most efficient, brutal military seniors of Rome. He was sent to Judaea to impose Roman rule at any cost. The idea that Pilate would have wasted more than 10 seconds before condemning Jesus to death is another new testament falsehood.

The New Testament of the Holy Bible is an issue for you. And I can tell you why too.

You’ve never read the Bible.

You’ve only seen fit to GOOGLE what OTHERS think they know about it and where you consistently fail is in this particular recurring manner: wherever you’ve seen any anomaly btwn what your sore fingers have fanatically googled and the Holy Bible ... you have immediately jumped to the same wrong conclusion ie the New Testament has to be false/incorrect.

Unfortunately for you oh pagan heathen atheist nominal Catholic ... in order to understand the New Testament you have to read the Old Testament. In short the entire Bible.

And I know 100000% you haven’t. And that’s why I’ve stayed quiet and allowed you to sit in here for many hours to post utter tripe and make an utter fool of yourself to those of us who have read the Holy Bible. In its entirety.

Your level of ignorance must be a real comfort for your blissful existence.

Hi Lisa,
whip all these Ozpolitic heretics into shape -
they are heathens in the Antipodes.

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 6:52pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 6:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 6:35pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 6:26pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 6:16pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 6:10pm: And it was not the Jewish Sanhedrin who turned Jesus over to be put to death for blasphemy because 'they had no law to put a man to death' - Jewish priests regularly condemned blaspheming Jews to be stoned to death. He was arrested by Romans for suspected sedition when he entered the temple and disrupted commerce within the temple grounds. The Romans approved of the custom of buying and selling sacrificial animals and payments of temple tax imposed by the Sanhedrin and saw to it that the trade was prolific as they got a cut. Anyone who disrupted the trade was dealt to by the Roman temple guards. Jesus whipped the money lenders and turned over their tables: https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_nI3hoXnFTno/S7f04JXudNI/AAAAAAAAAnQ/aIOU344qaq4/s1600/cleansing+the+temple.PNG Yes. That was his first and last political act. For that, he was executed as a seditionist by the Romans under the Prefect Pontius Pilate. Pilate was chosen by Tiberius for the role in the seditious land of Judaea because he was known to be brutal even by Roman standards. Today he would likely have been diagnosed as a psycho-killer. He washed his hands and sealed his fate. []https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwtyn-L-2gQ All Roman records of Pilate record him as one of the most efficient, brutal military seniors of Rome. He was sent to Judaea to impose Roman rule at any cost. The idea that Pilate would have wasted more than 10 seconds before condemning Jesus to death is another new testament falsehood. The New Testament of the Holy Bible is an issue for you. And I can tell you why too. You’ve never read the Bible. You’ve only seen fit to GOOGLE what OTHERS think they know about it and where you consistently fail is in this particular recurring manner: wherever you’ve seen any anomaly btwn what your sore fingers have fanatically googled and the Holy Bible ... you have immediately jumped to the same wrong conclusion ie the New Testament has to be false/incorrect. Unfortunately for you oh pagan heathen atheist nominal Catholic ... in order to understand the New Testament you have to read the Old Testament. In short the entire Bible. And I know 100000% you haven’t. And that’s why I’ve stayed quiet and allowed you to sit in here for many hours to post utter tripe and make an utter fool of yourself to those of us who have read the Holy Bible. In its entirety. Your level of ignorance must be a real comfort for your blissful existence.

As an autistic woman who has latched onto the new testament, you're a cast-iron believer. There is little to no evidence of what Jesus said or did, except for 3 almost universally agreed facts: He was born a Jew, he preached about the kingdom of god, and he was executed for sedition against Rome.

The rest was a concocted story as the basis for a religion of the slave.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 6:56pm:

Hi Lisa, whip all these Ozpolitic heretics into shape - they are heathens in the Antipodes.

I see them as seriously misled and ignorant. They have my compassion really.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 7:07pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 6:52pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 6:41pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 6:35pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 6:26pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 6:16pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 6:10pm: And it was not the Jewish Sanhedrin who turned Jesus over to be put to death for blasphemy because 'they had no law to put a man to death' - Jewish priests regularly condemned blaspheming Jews to be stoned to death. He was arrested by Romans for suspected sedition when he entered the temple and disrupted commerce within the temple grounds. The Romans approved of the custom of buying and selling sacrificial animals and payments of temple tax imposed by the Sanhedrin and saw to it that the trade was prolific as they got a cut. Anyone who disrupted the trade was dealt to by the Roman temple guards. Jesus whipped the money lenders and turned over their tables: https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_nI3hoXnFTno/S7f04JXudNI/AAAAAAAAAnQ/aIOU344qaq4/s1600/cleansing+the+temple.PNG Yes. That was his first and last political act. For that, he was executed as a seditionist by the Romans under the Prefect Pontius Pilate. Pilate was chosen by Tiberius for the role in the seditious land of Judaea because he was known to be brutal even by Roman standards. Today he would likely have been diagnosed as a psycho-killer. He washed his hands and sealed his fate. []https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwtyn-L-2gQ All Roman records of Pilate record him as one of the most efficient, brutal military seniors of Rome. He was sent to Judaea to impose Roman rule at any cost. The idea that Pilate would have wasted more than 10 seconds before condemning Jesus to death is another new testament falsehood. The New Testament of the Holy Bible is an issue for you. And I can tell you why too. You’ve never read the Bible. You’ve only seen fit to GOOGLE what OTHERS think they know about it and where you consistently fail is in this particular recurring manner: wherever you’ve seen any anomaly btwn what your sore fingers have fanatically googled and the Holy Bible ... you have immediately jumped to the same wrong conclusion ie the New Testament has to be false/incorrect. Unfortunately for you oh pagan heathen atheist nominal Catholic ... in order to understand the New Testament you have to read the Old Testament. In short the entire Bible. And I know 100000% you haven’t. And that’s why I’ve stayed quiet and allowed you to sit in here for many hours to post utter tripe and make an utter fool of yourself to those of us who have read the Holy Bible. In its entirety. Your level of ignorance must be a real comfort for your blissful existence. As an autistic woman who has latched onto the new testament you're a cast-iron believer. There is little to no evidence of what Jesus said or did, except for 3 almost universally agreed facts: He was born a Jew, he preached about the kingdom of god, and he was executed for sedition against Rome. The rest was a concocted story as the basis for a religion of the slave.

You should be more careful about what you say. And with what id.

I only got as far as that ridiculous passive aggressive bit (which I highlighted) before I realised the silly game you’re playing. 😐

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 1:18pm:

Are you watching "The Passion of the Christ" tomorrow? I have the DVD. It is the only religious-relevant movie I have in my collection that I would be willing to watch.

What about Ben-Hur, or Life of Brian?

I usually watch both over Easter.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 7:19pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 1:18pm: Are you watching "The Passion of the Christ" tomorrow? I have the DVD. It is the only religious-relevant movie I have in my collection that I would be willing to watch. What about Ben-Hur, or Life of Brian? I usually watch both over Easter.

"The Passion of the Christ is terrible" -

they slice him and dice him - they turn him into coleslaw.   :o

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 7:12pm:

You should be more careful about what you say. And with what id. I only got as far as that ridiculous passive aggressive bit (which I highlighted) before I realised the silly game you’re playing. 😐

You're onto the id thing again.

Stick to obsessive washing and cooking.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 7:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 7:19pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 1:18pm: Are you watching "The Passion of the Christ" tomorrow? I have the DVD. It is the only religious-relevant movie I have in my collection that I would be willing to watch. What about Ben-Hur, or Life of Brian? I usually watch both over Easter. "The Passion of the Christ is terrible" - they slice him and dice him - they turn him into coleslaw.   :o

Not my favourite movie.

Give me Ben-Hur any day.

https://youtu.be/4HB7zqP9QNo

How shall we bugger off, O Lord?

Bobby. wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 5:46pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 5:35pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 3:26pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 1:30pm: The Romans used crucifixion exclusively for the execution of anyone found guilty of sedition against Roman rule. They did not use crucifixion for common criminals, that is a falsehood made popular by the new testament. That is blasphemy and heresy. And Jesus would not have been crucified wearing a courtesy loin cloth to protect his dignity. All those crucified were stripped naked. More blasphemy and heresy. I need to whip the Ozpolitic heathens into shape.

LOL! You could not have whipped my chihuahua “into shape!” I would LOVE to see a pansy like you try to “whip Socks into shape!” LOL, she would have you running for safety seconds after seeing Socks in real life! “Whip into shape” is the Only Gay In The Village T R Y I N G  to sound butch!

Bobby. wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 5:57pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 5:48pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 1:18pm: Are you watching "The Passion of the Christ" tomorrow? I have the DVD. It is the only religious-relevant movie I have in my collection that I would be willing to watch. Yep. We are! "The Passion of the Christ"  is not on TV this year.

Even if it was not, the question pertains to people that get Blu Rays or DVD copies of the movie to watch. Or it could be a Netflix viewing.

Transgenders' favourite movie?

"Ben-Her"

(I'll get my coat...)

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 7:19pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 1:18pm: Are you watching "The Passion of the Christ" tomorrow? I have the DVD. It is the only religious-relevant movie I have in my collection that I would be willing to watch. What about Ben-Hur, or Life of Brian? I usually watch both over Easter.

I see Ben Hur is on this weekend. But, I usually save "Life of Brian" for when I want to watch my 4-pack of Monty Python movies.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 6:50pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 6:38pm: You know all Messiahs are Gay, Bobby? Just like all Prophets are Rednecks. Heresy.

Messiahs are Gays who are sacrifices for the People.
Prophets are Rednecks who sacrifice the People for them.

Sorry Bobby. But you worship a 'Poof'!

The cross of Jesus Christ is the symbolic representation of God’s deepest and unending love for humanity.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2Blw8G5FiCY

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EIRsSy42HxY

LifeHouse - Hanging By A Moment

👆 A Christian rock band singing about/to Jesus Christ

Jasin wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 9:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 6:50pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 6th, 2023 at 6:38pm: You know all Messiahs are Gay, Bobby? Just like all Prophets are Rednecks. Heresy. Messiahs are Gays who are sacrifices for the People. Prophets are Rednecks who sacrifice the People for them. Sorry Bobby. But you worship a 'Poof'!

Heresy and blasphemy -

the Spanish Inquisition would have stretched you on a rack.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g76LwvbBEI

Jesus can suck my balls this Easter break.

https://cdn0.woolworths.media/content/wowproductimages/large/253326.jpg

https://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/00-jesus-flogs-the-bankers-01-10-14.jpg

https://www.salvationarmy.org.au/our-faith/easter/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=paid-search&utm_campaign=2023-easter-mission&utm_source=google&utm_medium=paid-search&utm_campaign=2022-easter&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5tvc3LaX_gIVkq6WCh3jmAW3EAMYASAAEgKTZvD_BwE

Isn’t this just beautiful?

From the above link ... a little portion :

What is the meaning of Good Friday?

Good Friday refers to the day on which Jesus, the Son of God, died on a cross. Good Friday is significant because it was the first step in reconciling the world and humanity to its creator – God, having been separated from him through their sinful nature.

Jesus’ death was a sacrifice for everyone who would ever live so that they can have a close relationship with God. It’s an overwhelmingly great act of love!

After Jesus died, his body was placed in a tomb, but he didn’t stay there. He rose back to life – which is what we celebrate on Easter Sunday.

Irrespective of the fact that the actual date is incorrect .... the meaning behind Easter is just as real and just as relevant as the very Easter.

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 7:13pm:

https://www.salvationarmy.org.au/our-faith/easter/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=paid-search&utm_campaign=2023-easter-mission&utm_source=google&utm_medium=paid-search&utm_campaign=2022-easter&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5tvc3LaX_gIVkq6WCh3jmAW3EAMYASAAEgKTZvD_BwE Isn’t this just beautiful? From the above link ... a little portion : What is the meaning of Good Friday? Good Friday refers to the day on which Jesus, the Son of God, died on a cross. Good Friday is significant because it was the first step in reconciling the world and humanity to its creator – God, having been separated from him through their sinful nature. Jesus’ death was a sacrifice for everyone who would ever live so that they can have a close relationship with God. It’s an overwhelmingly great act of love! After Jesus died, his body was placed in a tomb, but he didn’t stay there. He rose back to life – which is what we celebrate on Easter Sunday.

Cool story, bro!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/93/Buddy_christ.jpg

Greggary - God created us with free will. That means we all have the prerogative to accept or reject Jesus Christ.

But just be very careful. You have no idea who might be quietly praying for you.

Note : Don’t worry Greggary ... I’m not singling you out here... the same may be said for many others who post with me on OzPol.

And yes ... I do often pray for you all (esp those who I fight a lot with).

Anyway I’ll leave it at that.

Good night.

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 7:30pm:

Greggary - God created us with free will. We have the prerogative to accept or reject Jesus Christ.

I choose to reject him.

Was he nailed to a hot cross bun?   :-/

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 6:45pm:

Jesus can suck my balls this Easter break. https://cdn0.woolworths.media/content/wowproductimages/large/253326.jpg

What a repulsive, repellent, shite-smeared creep you are, rotten turd. Disgusting, base, evil shite.

Frank wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 7:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 6:45pm: Jesus can suck my balls this Easter break. https://cdn0.woolworths.media/content/wowproductimages/large/253326.jpg What a repulsive, repellent, shite-smeared creep you are, rotten turd. Disgusting, base, evil shite.

True.
He says what he says, but he has no real understanding why he says it.

Frank wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 7:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 6:45pm: Jesus can suck my balls this Easter break. https://cdn0.woolworths.media/content/wowproductimages/large/253326.jpg What a repulsive, repellent, shite-smeared creep you are, rotten turd. Disgusting, base, evil shite.

Greggy should be charged by the police for blasphemy.

Frank wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 7:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 6:45pm: Jesus can suck my balls this Easter break. https://cdn0.woolworths.media/content/wowproductimages/large/253326.jpg What a repulsive, repellent, shite-smeared creep you are, rotten turd. Disgusting, base, evil shite.

I can save a ball for you, if that makes you happy.

Or you can snowball from Jesus.

Whatevs.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 7:47pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 7:42pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 6:45pm: Jesus can suck my balls this Easter break. https://cdn0.woolworths.media/content/wowproductimages/large/253326.jpg What a repulsive, repellent, shite-smeared creep you are, rotten turd. Disgusting, base, evil shite. I can save a ball for you, if that makes you happy. Or you can snowball from Jesus. Whatevs.

You are a repulsive, evil pile of disgusting shite.

Frank wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 7:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 7:47pm: Frank wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 7:42pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 6:45pm: Jesus can suck my balls this Easter break. https://cdn0.woolworths.media/content/wowproductimages/large/253326.jpg What a repulsive, repellent, shite-smeared creep you are, rotten turd. Disgusting, base, evil shite. I can save a ball for you, if that makes you happy. Or you can snowball from Jesus. Whatevs. You are a repulsive, evil pile of disgusting shite.

Happy Easter   :)

He is an alleged paedophile from other members afterall.
He does post homo-erotic fantasies of other members afterall.
He does get aroused by the word TRUMP afterall.

Jasin wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 8:50pm:

He is an alleged paedophile from other members afterall. He does post homo-erotic fantasies of other members afterall. He does get aroused by the word TRUMP afterall.

Here he is:

https://mobile.twitter.com/UltraDane/status/1643705883606786053

Yep. That's Peccary. Telling us that Trump is a lesser man than him. ;D

Jasin wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 9:37pm:

Yep. That's Peccary. Telling us that Trump is a lesser man than him. ;D

God - we have some weirdos on Ozpolitic.    :o

FutureTheLeftWant was Peccary's right hand man. ;D

Jasin wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 9:39pm:

FutureTheLeftWant was Peccary's right hand man. ;D

You know that Greggy is gay communist?   -

he has the hard cover editions of all Karl Marx's books by his bedside -
he admitted it many times.

He only has gay porn mags under his bed.

Jasin wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 9:49pm:

He only has gay porn mags under his bed.

But the pages are all stuck together.  ;D

You should see the state of his dartboard with Trump's face on it.

Jasin wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 9:56pm:

You should see the state of his dartboard with Trump's face on it.

Greggy would be lost without Trump -

his life would have no purpose.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 9:59pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 9:56pm: You should see the state of his dartboard with Trump's face on it. Greggy would be lost without Trump - his life would have no purpose.

If Trump became the Comeback President...
;D

Jasin wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 10:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 9:59pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 9:56pm: You should see the state of his dartboard with Trump's face on it. Greggy would be lost without Trump - his life would have no purpose. If Trump became the Comeback President... ;D

Have you cum on Booby's back?

Or do you unload in the anus?

Peccary got curious and has experienced Gay sex.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 10:17pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 10:02pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 9:59pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 9:56pm: You should see the state of his dartboard with Trump's face on it. Greggy would be lost without Trump - his life would have no purpose. If Trump became the Comeback President... ;D Have you cum on Booby's back? Or do you unload in the anus?

Why don't you ask mark latham groggary :D LOL

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/133/681/878/original/3c85609d897f10e5.png

Jasin wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 10:20pm:

Peccary got curious and has experienced Gay sex.

What would Mark say?    :-[

So this is yet ANOTHER thread derailed by a silly toing and froing
that has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand.

I've mentioned this sort of deliberately disruptive, childish behaviour
in the past, but the admin/mods have again chosen to ignore it.

I dunno why?

This sort of practice is not only an annoyance to people genuinely
responding to the OP, but it makes our entire forum look stupid,
unworthy of attention by passersby, and may explain why so few
of the 3,640 bother to partake in debates.

At the moment we have only six members online, which is fairly
average for any day of the week.   And the most ever number of
members online—42, was nearly ten years ago.

Anyway...

Our Easter long weekend will be enjoyed at home;  ain't going
nowhere; not seeing family or friends; prolly overindulge in hot cross
buns and chocolate though LOL.

AusGeoff wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 10:58pm:

So this is yet ANOTHER thread derailed by a silly toing and froing that has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand. I've mentioned this sort of deliberately disruptive, childish behaviour in the past, but the admin/mods have again chosen to ignore it. I dunno why? This sort of practice is not only an annoyance to people genuinely responding to the OP, but it makes our entire forum look stupid, unworthy of attention by passersby, and may explain why so few of the 3,640 bother to partake in debates. At the moment we have only six members online, which is fairly average for any day of the week.   And the most ever number of members online—42, was nearly ten years ago. Anyway... Our Easter long weekend will be enjoyed at home;  ain't going nowhere; not seeing family or friends; prolly overindulge in hot cross buns and chocolate though LOL.

Stop being so sanctimonious.  :)

It is nice to get paid $50/hr to work Good Friday.

It's nicer to get paid enough not to have to work a Public Holiday (sorry Sub).

Bobby. wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 11:15pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 10:58pm: So this is yet ANOTHER thread derailed by a silly toing and froing that has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand... Stop being so sanctimonious.  :)

Mate... it has nothing to do with me being sanctimonious.  Mine is
a legitimate complaint—particularly in this thread—where of the 77
comments posted, 21 are yours!  It's obvious you need to get out a
bit more, and get a life.

And, ironically, you're often one of the multiple repeat offenders
posting off-topic, absolute drivel that has nothing to do with the
subject being debated.

The Easter rabbit, and the egg, are Pagan symbols of springtime rejuvenation, during April in the Northern hemisphere. Christmas is also the appropriation of the Pagan mid-winter festival.

When, people like the Christian disciples spread their religion in the first century Anno Domini, they had to overcome Pagan traditions, and it was easier to appropriate existing festivals. Even today, people don't really care what a holiday is for.

As for a man actually rising from the dead, believe it if you can or need to, but Christians had to come up with a gimmick if they were going to hold the attention of Pagans. It is evident that early Christians did not believe the teachings of their leader were catchy enough.

Of course, they did succeed in establishing a religion in Europe, partly due to some excellent principles, Unfortunately, a large percentage of so-called Christians have only paid lip-service to those principles as history shows.

Eostre is the Goddess who was celebrated at the Spring Equinox, whose favourite was the hare ... or bunny if you like.

She is the Goddess of new life and rebirth.

Christians stole it all. And tortured and burned anyone at the stake who talked back.

But while we're talking about the work of fiction that is the Bible ... JC was so totes left wing.

Loved the refugees.

All inclusion.

Charity.

Kindness.

Unconditional positive regard for all people.


Anyone spotted a Christian on Ozpol that fits any of that?

issuevoter wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 7:48am:

As for a man actually rising from the dead, believe it if you can or need to, but Christians had to come up with a gimmick if they were going to hold the attention of Pagans. It is evident that early Christians did not believe the teachings of their leader were catchy enough.

More like the early Christian writers were competing with other religions of the time, where miraculous births, the performing of miracles and deification were almost universal with regard to the founder. Even Caesars were deified.

And even Israel (those who struggle with El - Yahweh) understood that other gods existed. The first commandment - 'I am the Lord, your god, You shall have no strange gods before me', is not a denial that other gods existed, it is a revelation that Yahweh is a jealous god, but still one of many.

Islam, on the other hand, declares outright 'There is no god but Allah'.

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 8:45am:

But while we're talking about the work of fiction that is the Bible ... JC was so totes left wing. Loved the refugees. All inclusion. Charity. Kindness. Unconditional positive regard for all people. Anyone spotted a Christian on Ozpol that fits any of that?

Jesus message was not all-inclusive.

It was a simplistic reversal of fortunes message - The last shall be first, the rich shall be poor, the meek take all. There was no answer to what happens after the reversal of fortunes when the newly rich themselves start acting in the same way as the formerly rich and the meek develop a chip on their shoulder.

And now you all Worship the Media with your shrine TV's in the corner of every house.
You go to your Temples called Cinemas to worship your Superheroes like Norse & Roman gods of old.
You still need a fictional entity to make the rules up as you all go along - even through Science where $$$ is the 'fact'.

What do I believe in?
Gaia (Life).
That's all I need to know.

mothra wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 8:45am:

But while we're talking about the work of fiction that is the Bible ... JC was so totes left wing. Loved the refugees. All inclusion. Charity. Kindness. Unconditional positive regard for all people. Anyone spotted a Christian on Ozpol that fits any of that?

So - on the one hand JC is a fictitious character built five hundred years later and way out of context - on the other he was all those things?

I thought he was making a fair claim for the crown of Israel, given that he was direct lineage from David... just another palace coup that went wrong...

Funny what people choose to believe - it's always some mish-mash ...

---

Just trying to find the topic ...

From another topic (which is relevant to Good Friday, Easter Saturday and Easter Sunday)


Bobby. wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 7:40am:

In the Bible they used to crucify thieves.   :-?

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 6^th, 2023 at 11:18am:

Yes ... that was what the Roman Empire did around 2000 years ago in order to keep law and order in all the Mediterranean countries they controlled. They crucified thieves and anyone they deemed was a threat to the stability of the Roman Empire. In fact that’s why they crucified Jesus Christ. However the Romans were clever in how they went about it. They took the opportunity to pretend to allow the Jews to think they had the power to decide the fate of Jesus Christ. This made the Jews think they had control over legal process. They didn’t of course. It was just a mind game of sorts. The Jews (led by proud and notable religious leaders and lawyers) argued FOR Jesus Christ’s crucifixion. The Romans essentially responded with a quick “OK - whatever you reckon.” And that’s how Jesus Christ found himself crucified btwn 2 other crucified thieves. Those Roman soldiers who were on guard at the crucifixion had front row seats to the whole thing. The Roman soldier/guard nearest Jesus saw and heard everything Jesus uttered as He lay slowly bleeding to death in what has often been described by historians as a horrific and slow torturous method. Anyway THAT Roman soldier soon realised the senseless brutality of what had taken place AFTER seeing and hearing what Jesus said whilst in so much unbearable pain and agony. The Roman’s remarks whilst on duty are captured in the Bible : Truly this man was indeed the Son of God. He had a vision of the confronting reality of the event. It’s a pity many so called Christians today - don’t. Anyway - have a safe Easter. Please note the Easter we celebrate at this time has nothing to do with Jesus Christ. It’s a pagan festival that the Roman Catholic Church infused into its pagan based religious system in order to appease its citizens at the time so they could control the spread of Christianity under their official Roman rules and regulations. The Roman Catholic Church is merely that. Do not think for a moment it has anything to do with God and Jesus Christ and the Holy Bible. It’s an extension of paganism and only the uneducated and unaware think otherwise. Whilst at Sydney Uni I undertook some subjects in Ancient History and Bible History. In these areas we were lectured by eminent atheist scholars who had no qualms about telling students what Roman Catholicism was really about and how it originated and framed/controlled History. Anyway ... apologies for the long post. Cheers

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 7:30pm:

Greggary - God created us with free will. That means we all have the prerogative to accept or reject Jesus Christ. But just be very careful. You have no idea who might be quietly praying for you. Note : Don’t worry Greggary ... I’m not singling you out here... the same may be said for many others who post with me on OzPol. And yes ... I do often pray for you all (esp those who I fight a lot with). Anyway I’ll leave it at that. Good night.

Speaking of "God"; I'm with Marcion, a 1st century compiler of the evolving NT, who rejected the OT entirely, because he could not reconcile Jehovah "Man of War" with Jesus Christ "Prince of Peace".

AusGeoff wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 10:58pm:

So this is yet ANOTHER thread derailed by a silly toing and froing that has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand. I've mentioned this sort of deliberately disruptive, childish behaviour in the past, but the admin/mods have again chosen to ignore it. I dunno why? This sort of practice is not only an annoyance to people genuinely responding to the OP, but it makes our entire forum look stupid, unworthy of attention by passersby, and may explain why so few of the 3,640 bother to partake in debates. At the moment we have only six members online, which is fairly average for any day of the week.   And the most ever number of members online—42, was nearly ten years ago. Anyway... Our Easter long weekend will be enjoyed at home;  ain't going nowhere; not seeing family or friends; prolly overindulge in hot cross buns and chocolate though LOL.

Thank you for staying on topic. More importantly thank you for staying put AND for staying safe.

I know we don’t agree much on OzPol but I do thank you for your comments in this topic.

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 11:26am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 7:30pm: Greggary - God created us with free will. That means we all have the prerogative to accept or reject Jesus Christ. But just be very careful. You have no idea who might be quietly praying for you. Note : Don’t worry Greggary ... I’m not singling you out here... the same may be said for many others who post with me on OzPol. And yes ... I do often pray for you all (esp those who I fight a lot with). Anyway I’ll leave it at that. Good night. Speaking of "God"; I'm with Marcion, a 1st century compiler of the evolving NT, who rejected the OT entirely, because he could not reconcile Jehovah "Man of War" with Jesus Christ "Prince of Peace".

For those reading this topic and may not know :

Marcion was a gnostic who was responsible for starting a sect. He essentially cherry picked bits and pieces of the entire Holy Bible and the resultant synthesis formed the basis of his sect’s views.

I’ve had previous online encounters with others about Marcion. These encounters consisted of discussing aspects of his “brand” of theology.

Bringing this post back on topic : Marcion didn’t believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Given NotsoGreat has stated that he identifies with Marcion, he has in fact volunteered the admission that he too doesn’t believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

That’s fine. The Bible ( Old AND New Testaments) disagrees with both you AND Marcion. Incidentally Marcion knew this so he tried to get around that by writing his own amended Bible which essentially tore out all the Old Testament and most of the New Testament).


For those wishing to read a little further 👇

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Marcionites

AusGeoff wrote on Apr 7^th, 2023 at 10:58pm:

So this is yet ANOTHER thread derailed by a silly toing and froing that has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand. I've mentioned this sort of deliberately disruptive, childish behaviour in the past, but the admin/mods have again chosen to ignore it. I dunno why? This sort of practice is not only an annoyance to people genuinely responding to the OP, but it makes our entire forum look stupid, unworthy of attention by passersby, and may explain why so few of the 3,640 bother to partake in debates. At the moment we have only six members online, which is fairly average for any day of the week.   And the most ever number of members online—42, was nearly ten years ago.

Please.

This forum contains mostly homoerotic rants, obsessions about 'multi ids' and half-pissed codgers living 2 generations in the past posting like they're bit-characters out of 'Wake In Fright'.

How long has it been that way? From the start?

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 11:55am:

Given NotsoGreat has stated that he identifies with Marcion, he has in fact volunteered the admission that he too doesn’t believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

That's correct. It seems more rational, in this scientific age,  to accept Jesus was a man...and a remarkable teacher.: "love God and love one another"...

In that, I part from Marcion who saw Jesus  - who lived on earth for c. 30 years - as a mere apparition of God, and who therefore did not die on the cross.   

But both of us are united in rejecting the repulsive "jealous" bronze-age  OT god, given to authorizing genocide to advance his "chosen" tribe. 




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That’s fine. The Bible ( Old AND New Testaments) disagrees with both you AND Marcion.

Addressed above. The OT (Jewish 'bible') + NT (Christian writings) - together forming  the Christian "Bible" -   are a schizophrenic mess,  responsible for much of the chaos in the ME today, with Christian 'rapturers' (like Pompeo) waiting for the destruction of the Islamic mosque on the Jewish  Temple Mount  (in the battle of Armageddon), signifying the return of Christ...



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Incidentally Marcion knew this so he tried to get around that by writing his own amended Bible which essentially tore out all the Old Testament and most of the New Testament).

Yes, as I already noted. Marcion's Bible ie his version of an early NT, rejected the OT entirely. 

Marcion remained widely followed for several centuries until his NT was pronounced heretical by church authorities who had no problem with a genocidal god as part of the 'Holy Trinity'.


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For those wishing to read a little further 👇 https://www.britannica.com/topic/Marcionites

The distinguishing of stern justice from universal  goodness is apposite.

something  like the Zoroastrian contrast of good versus evil.

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 12:36pm:

That's correct. It seems more rational, in this scientific age,  to accept Jesus was a man...and a remarkable teacher.

You might prefer the Jefferson Bible.

https://uuhouston.org/files/The_Jefferson_Bible.pdf

Jasin wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 12:32am:

It's nicer to get paid enough not to have to work a Public Holiday (sorry Sub).

I was scheduled to work last night. It was my usual work hours. The restaurant was open. The pub nearby was not. So, we got a few extra customers that could not eat at the pub.

The new revised editions of the 3 Holy Books of Monotheism now state that God created the Dinosaurs, Aborigines, the Americas, Galaxies, Black Holes and the observable Universe as well as Quantum Physics.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 12:14pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Apr 7th, 2023 at 10:58pm: So this is yet ANOTHER thread derailed by a silly toing and froing that has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand. I've mentioned this sort of deliberately disruptive, childish behaviour in the past, but the admin/mods have again chosen to ignore it. I dunno why? This sort of practice is not only an annoyance to people genuinely responding to the OP, but it makes our entire forum look stupid, unworthy of attention by passersby, and may explain why so few of the 3,640 bother to partake in debates. At the moment we have only six members online, which is fairly average for any day of the week.   And the most ever number of members online—42, was nearly ten years ago. Please. This forum contains mostly homoerotic rants, obsessions about 'multi ids' and half-pissed codgers living 2 generations in the past posting like they're bit-characters out of 'Wake In Fright'. How long has it been that way? From the start?

It's always been like that.

We are not allowed to deny homos like Pecca access to the forum.

Smith, Peccary and LTYC have been the main perpetrators of Homo-Erotic fantasies of other members here. They've been doing it since they first got here.
Aussie, Monk and Mothra have been known to be the main perpetrators of derailing Topics to have it focus around them with endless pages of grinding crap unrelated to the Topic at hand.

Others, myself included - are not perfect in this either, but we are by far, less inclined to do so.

Jasin wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 2:37pm:

Smith, Peccary and LTYC have been the main perpetrators of Homo-Erotic fantasies of other members here. They've been doing it since they first got here. Aussie, Monk and Mothra have been known to be the main perpetrators of derailing Topics to have it focus around them with endless pages of grinding crap unrelated to the Topic at hand. Others, myself included - are not perfect in this either, but we are by far, less inclined to do so.

I tried to get FD to accept a homo free discussion by
making a homo only MRB here for all the poofs but he declined -
that was 10 years ago.  :-?

Bobby. wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 2:41pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 2:37pm: Smith, Peccary and LTYC have been the main perpetrators of Homo-Erotic fantasies of other members here. They've been doing it since they first got here. Aussie, Monk and Mothra have been known to be the main perpetrators of derailing Topics to have it focus around them with endless pages of grinding crap unrelated to the Topic at hand. Others, myself included - are not perfect in this either, but we are by far, less inclined to do so. I tried to get FD to accept a homo free discussion by making a homo only MRB here for all the poofs but he declined - that was 10 years ago.  :-?

Did you offer to be the Mod of that board, Booby?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 12:52pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 12:36pm: That's correct. It seems more rational, in this scientific age,  to accept Jesus was a man...and a remarkable teacher. You might prefer the Jefferson Bible. https://uuhouston.org/files/The_Jefferson_Bible.pdf

Yes, definitely,  thanks.

A bit like the Marcion Bible. 

Jefferson showing himself to be a man of the Enlightenment, like his contemporary Thomas Paine:

"The world is my country, mankind is my brethren, and to do good is my religion".

As for Jesus' own  sayings (as they have come down to us), they are remarkable for their ethics stated in numerous ways, some simply stated, other times mysterious and full of psychological drama eg "deal quickly with your adversary, otherwise you will brought before the judge and condemned....."

And Judaism said unto their European Christians in their name "The only way to God is through us."
Then America was discovered and Germany said unto the Jew
"Hey, you lied!" >:( and thus broke its cross into the Swastika.

And Christian France said unto the Moslem Arab.
"The only way to God is through us."
Then Australia was discovered and the Moslem said unto the Frenchie.
"Hey, you lied!"  >:( and thus they will do to the French, what the Germans did to the Jews.

;) Don't you just love me? :D

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 12:36pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 11:55am: Given NotsoGreat has stated that he identifies with Marcion, he has in fact volunteered the admission that he too doesn’t believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. That's correct. It seems more rational, in this scientific age  to accept Jesus was a man...and a remarkable teacher.: "love God and love one another"...

From The Holy Bible (Proverbs 16:25)

There is a way which seems right to a person, But its end is the way of death.

Have a safe Easter, Larry. That means—leave the drugs alone!

Shut your cake hole you boring attention seeker.

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 6:03pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 12:36pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 11:55am: Given NotsoGreat has stated that he identifies with Marcion, he has in fact volunteered the admission that he too doesn’t believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. That's correct. It seems more rational, in this scientific age  to accept Jesus was a man...and a remarkable teacher.: "love God and love one another"... From The Holy Bible (Proverbs 16:25) There is a way which seems right to a person, But its end is the way of death.

Gee Wizz! Its in the Bible. It must be true.

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 4:41pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 12:52pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 12:36pm: That's correct. It seems more rational, in this scientific age,  to accept Jesus was a man...and a remarkable teacher. You might prefer the Jefferson Bible. https://uuhouston.org/files/The_Jefferson_Bible.pdf Yes, definitely,  thanks. A bit like the Marcion Bible.  Jefferson showing himself to be a man of the Enlightenment, like his contemporary Thomas Paine: "The world is my country, mankind is my brethren, and to do good is my religion". As for Jesus' own  sayings (as they have come down to us), they are remarkable for their ethics stated in numerous ways, some simply stated, other times mysterious and full of psychological drama eg "deal quickly with your adversary, otherwise you will brought before the judge and condemned....."

Nearly all of what Jesus is purported to have taught was not original - it was from Jewish teachings, including Hillel's summary of the Torah: “That which is hateful unto you, do not do to your neighbour. This is the whole of the Torah; the rest is commentary".

And Hillel was paraphrasing Leviticus 19:18 "Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself".

issuevoter wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 6:42pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 6:03pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 12:36pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 11:55am: Given NotsoGreat has stated that he identifies with Marcion, he has in fact volunteered the admission that he too doesn’t believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. That's correct. It seems more rational, in this scientific age  to accept Jesus was a man...and a remarkable teacher.: "love God and love one another"... From The Holy Bible (Proverbs 16:25) There is a way which seems right to a person, But its end is the way of death. Gee Wizz! Its in the Bible. It must be true.

If it’s in the Bible then it’s in God’s Word. And I respect God’s Word over yours and over ANY human being’s word for that matter.

The bible is the scribblings of men. No contribution by Gawd.

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Nearly all of what Jesus is purported to have taught was not original - it was from Jewish teachings, including Hillel's summary of the Torah: “That which is hateful unto you, do not do to your neighbour. This is the whole of the Torah; the rest is commentary". And Hillel was paraphrasing Leviticus 19:18 "Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself".

No that’s incorrect. In fact your words prove that you read/rely on Googled information at the expense of reading the actual Bible.

The facts are as follows: Whilst Jesus confirmed many Old Testament teachings He absolutely revolutionised them also. Moreover Jesus opened the door of Heaven to ALL people by bridging the gap which existed btwn us and God. And He did so through His death and resurrection from death.

Jesus is a story told 50 years after his supposed death.

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 6:55pm:

Quote: Nearly all of what Jesus is purported to have taught was not original - it was from Jewish teachings, including Hillel's summary of the Torah: “That which is hateful unto you, do not do to your neighbour. This is the whole of the Torah; the rest is commentary". And Hillel was paraphrasing Leviticus 19:18 "Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself". No that’s incorrect. In fact your words prove that you read/rely on Googled information at the expense of reading the actual Bible. The facts are as follows: Whilst Jesus confirmed many Old Testament teachings He absolutely revolutionised them also. Moreover Jesus opened the door of Heaven to ALL people by bridging the gap which existed btwn us and God. And He did so through His death and resurrection from death.

No.

Jesus did not revolutionise the teachings of the Torah or Talmud (there was no Old Testament in his time). All the purported original teachings and most life events of Jesus were reimagined (in the way Plato did with Socrates) about 60 to 100 years after his death.

Evangelising to non-Jews was Paul's self-appointed mission. Jesus did not preach for the sake of converting non-Jews to Judaism or anything else. Jesus, himself, of course, was not a Christian and did not call himself one. He was born, lived and died a devout Jew.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 7:17pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 6:55pm: Quote: Nearly all of what Jesus is purported to have taught was not original - it was from Jewish teachings, including Hillel's summary of the Torah: “That which is hateful unto you, do not do to your neighbour. This is the whole of the Torah; the rest is commentary". And Hillel was paraphrasing Leviticus 19:18 "Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself". No that’s incorrect. In fact your words prove that you read/rely on Googled information at the expense of reading the actual Bible. The facts are as follows: Whilst Jesus confirmed many Old Testament teachings He absolutely revolutionised them also. Moreover Jesus opened the door of Heaven to ALL people by bridging the gap which existed btwn us and God. And He did so through His death and resurrection from death. No. 1. Jesus did not revolutionise the teachings of the Torah or Talmud (there was no Old Testament in his time). All the purported original teachings and most life events of Jesus were reimagined (in the way Plato did with Socrates) about 60 to 100 years after his death. 2. Evangelising to non-Jews was Paul's self-appointed mission. Jesus did not preach for the sake of converting non-Jews to Judaism or anything else. Jesus, himself, of course, was not a Christian and did not call himself one. He was born, lived and died a devout Jew.

1. Incorrect. Stop Googling!

2. Incorrect. Stop Googling!

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 6:57pm:

Jesus is a story told 50 years after his supposed death.

Incorrect. His story is still being told some 2000 years later.

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 7:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 7:17pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 6:55pm: Quote: Nearly all of what Jesus is purported to have taught was not original - it was from Jewish teachings, including Hillel's summary of the Torah: “That which is hateful unto you, do not do to your neighbour. This is the whole of the Torah; the rest is commentary". And Hillel was paraphrasing Leviticus 19:18 "Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself". No that’s incorrect. In fact your words prove that you read/rely on Googled information at the expense of reading the actual Bible. The facts are as follows: Whilst Jesus confirmed many Old Testament teachings He absolutely revolutionised them also. Moreover Jesus opened the door of Heaven to ALL people by bridging the gap which existed btwn us and God. And He did so through His death and resurrection from death. No. 1. Jesus did not revolutionise the teachings of the Torah or Talmud (there was no Old Testament in his time). All the purported original teachings and most life events of Jesus were reimagined (in the way Plato did with Socrates) about 60 to 100 years after his death. 2. Evangelising to non-Jews was Paul's self-appointed mission. Jesus did not preach for the sake of converting non-Jews to Judaism or anything else. Jesus, himself, of course, was not a Christian and did not call himself one. He was born, lived and died a devout Jew. 1. Incorrect. Stop Googling! 2. Incorrect. Stop Googling!

You are an obsessed autistic twat.

You know little to nothing of Christian history.

Stick to obsessive washing, cooking and cleaning.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 7:17pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 6:55pm: Quote: Nearly all of what Jesus is purported to have taught was not original - it was from Jewish teachings, including Hillel's summary of the Torah: “That which is hateful unto you, do not do to your neighbour. This is the whole of the Torah; the rest is commentary". And Hillel was paraphrasing Leviticus 19:18 "Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself". No that’s incorrect. In fact your words prove that you read/rely on Googled information at the expense of reading the actual Bible. The facts are as follows: Whilst Jesus confirmed many Old Testament teachings He absolutely revolutionised them also. Moreover Jesus opened the door of Heaven to ALL people by bridging the gap which existed btwn us and God. And He did so through His death and resurrection from death. No. Jesus did not revolutionise the teachings of the Torah or Talmud (there was no Old Testament in his time). All the purported original teachings and most life events of Jesus were reimagined (in the way Plato did with Socrates) about 60 to 100 years after his death. Evangelising to non-Jews was Paul's self-appointed mission. Jesus did not preach for the sake of converting non-Jews to Judaism or anything else. Jesus, himself, of course, was not a Christian and did not call himself one. He was born, lived and died a devout Jew.

Jesus did not depart from Judaism but quite radically put the emphasis within it on things outside the power of the Jewish clergy, the Sanhedrin, which then had the Roman governor crucify him. Jesus spoke in parables about this new emphasis, away from the primacy of the Law to the primacy of Love. A clergy can administer and regulate the Law, but not Love.
It was then Paul who articulated what such a different emphasis would mean to Jews and gentiles and concluded that Love could not exclude the gentiles because such exclusion would be in obedience to the Law. Paul opened the door to the gentiles to what Jesus opened it for the Jews.

Frank wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 8:41pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 7:17pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 6:55pm: Quote: Nearly all of what Jesus is purported to have taught was not original - it was from Jewish teachings, including Hillel's summary of the Torah: “That which is hateful unto you, do not do to your neighbour. This is the whole of the Torah; the rest is commentary". And Hillel was paraphrasing Leviticus 19:18 "Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself". No that’s incorrect. In fact your words prove that you read/rely on Googled information at the expense of reading the actual Bible. The facts are as follows: Whilst Jesus confirmed many Old Testament teachings He absolutely revolutionised them also. Moreover Jesus opened the door of Heaven to ALL people by bridging the gap which existed btwn us and God. And He did so through His death and resurrection from death. No. Jesus did not revolutionise the teachings of the Torah or Talmud (there was no Old Testament in his time). All the purported original teachings and most life events of Jesus were reimagined (in the way Plato did with Socrates) about 60 to 100 years after his death. Evangelising to non-Jews was Paul's self-appointed mission. Jesus did not preach for the sake of converting non-Jews to Judaism or anything else. Jesus, himself, of course, was not a Christian and did not call himself one. He was born, lived and died a devout Jew. Jesus did not depart from Judaism but quite radically put the emphasis within it on things outside the power of the Jewish clergy, the Sanhedrin, which then had the Roman governor crucify him. Jesus spoke in parables about this new emphasis, away from the primacy of the Law to the primacy of Love. A clergy can administer and regulate the Law, but not Love. It was then Paul who articulated what such a different emphasis would mean to Jews and gentiles and concluded that Love could not exclude the gentiles because such exclusion would be in obedience to the Law. Paul opened the door to the gentiles to what Jesus opened it for the Jews.

Jesus did not preach against the law (as evidenced by James' following Jesus' ministry with his insistence that Gentiles become Jews first and conform to Mosaic law before joining the assembly) Jesus did rail against the corruption of the Temple priestly class with his first shall be last, rich shall be poor (etc) sermons.

Paul's problem was that he was preaching to non-Jews who generally could not submit to Mosaic law, in particular, circumcision and the dietary laws, and began to preach that belief in Jesus as the Messiah - the Christ - was all that was needed for salvation. This led to clashes with the Jerusalem assembly, led by James, and ultimately to Paul's arrest and subsequent execution in Rome.

Paul denigrated those who knew Jesus 'in the flesh' as subordinate to him as he had met 'the risen Christ' in spirit.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 7:39pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 7:26pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 7:17pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 6:55pm: Quote: Nearly all of what Jesus is purported to have taught was not original - it was from Jewish teachings, including Hillel's summary of the Torah: “That which is hateful unto you, do not do to your neighbour. This is the whole of the Torah; the rest is commentary". And Hillel was paraphrasing Leviticus 19:18 "Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself". No that’s incorrect. In fact your words prove that you read/rely on Googled information at the expense of reading the actual Bible. The facts are as follows: Whilst Jesus confirmed many Old Testament teachings He absolutely revolutionised them also. Moreover Jesus opened the door of Heaven to ALL people by bridging the gap which existed btwn us and God. And He did so through His death and resurrection from death. No. 1. Jesus did not revolutionise the teachings of the Torah or Talmud (there was no Old Testament in his time). All the purported original teachings and most life events of Jesus were reimagined (in the way Plato did with Socrates) about 60 to 100 years after his death. 2. Evangelising to non-Jews was Paul's self-appointed mission. Jesus did not preach for the sake of converting non-Jews to Judaism or anything else. Jesus, himself, of course, was not a Christian and did not call himself one. He was born, lived and died a devout Jew. 1. Incorrect. Stop Googling! 2. Incorrect. Stop Googling! You are an obsessed autistic twat. You know little to nothing of Christian history. Stick to obsessive washing, cooking and cleaning.

Unlike you:

1. I know, love, cherish and respect my Christian faith and the Holy Bible.

2. I’ve had 40 years of instruction.

3. I became a Christian myself at the age of 10.

4. I’ve read the Holy Bible in its entirety some 12 times.

5. I don’t need to refer to Google to teach me anything about Christianity or the Holy Bible. You do.

6. I could effortlessly chew you up and spit you out in less than 5 minutes if you ever dared to confront me face to face about my Heavenly Father God and/or His Son Jesus Christ.

7. I’ve taught Sunday School for many yrs.

8. I’ve led church youth groups for many yrs.

9. I wasn’t born into a religious family. I was born into a humble Christian family. In fact I owe my knowledge and skills and devotion wrt all things pertaining to God, family, children, cleaning, cooking, washing, gardening, keeping finances under control and home-making in general to my beautiful Christian European mother who came to this country as a frightened teenager in the mid 1960’s with absolutely nothing (not even basic English skills) but her Bible and her faith in God.

10. Most importantly of all though (and unlike you I’m not afraid to tell you this under the 1 ID I use on OzPol either) : I have hope for today and an eternal hope and assurance of where I’m going after I die. You have no idea. You have no hope. You have nothing. Less than nothing in fact. And THAT is why your life is defined by what others tell you via your manic googling efforts. Ultimately this proves that you ...yes you are the self projecting twat in all our interactions.

One last thing : You throw the word “autistic” flippantly about like it’s an obscene derogatory term. Guess what pal. It’s not. And every time you do that I realise that you’re probably self projecting yet another issue you’ve not been able to deal with in life. And for all this you have my pity.

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 9:49pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 7:39pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 7:26pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 7:17pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 6:55pm: Quote: Nearly all of what Jesus is purported to have taught was not original - it was from Jewish teachings, including Hillel's summary of the Torah: “That which is hateful unto you, do not do to your neighbour. This is the whole of the Torah; the rest is commentary". And Hillel was paraphrasing Leviticus 19:18 "Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself". No that’s incorrect. In fact your words prove that you read/rely on Googled information at the expense of reading the actual Bible. The facts are as follows: Whilst Jesus confirmed many Old Testament teachings He absolutely revolutionised them also. Moreover Jesus opened the door of Heaven to ALL people by bridging the gap which existed btwn us and God. And He did so through His death and resurrection from death. No. 1. Jesus did not revolutionise the teachings of the Torah or Talmud (there was no Old Testament in his time). All the purported original teachings and most life events of Jesus were reimagined (in the way Plato did with Socrates) about 60 to 100 years after his death. 2. Evangelising to non-Jews was Paul's self-appointed mission. Jesus did not preach for the sake of converting non-Jews to Judaism or anything else. Jesus, himself, of course, was not a Christian and did not call himself one. He was born, lived and died a devout Jew. 1. Incorrect. Stop Googling! 2. Incorrect. Stop Googling! You are an obsessed autistic twat. You know little to nothing of Christian history. Stick to obsessive washing, cooking and cleaning. Unlike you: 1. I know, love, cherish and respect my Christian faith and the Holy Bible. 2. I’ve had 40 years of instruction. 3. I became a Christian myself at the age of 10. 4. I’ve read the Holy Bible in its entirety some 12 times. 5. I don’t need to refer to Google to teach me anything about Christianity or the Holy Bible. You do. 6. I could effortlessly chew you up and spit you out in less than 5 minutes if you ever dared to confront me face to face about my Heavenly Father God and/or His Son Jesus Christ. 7. I’ve taught Sunday School for many yrs. 8. I’ve led church youth groups for many yrs. 9. I wasn’t born into a religious family. I was born into a humble Christian family. In fact I owe my knowledge and skills and devotion wrt all things pertaining to God, family, children, cleaning, cooking, washing, gardening, keeping finances under control and home-making in general to my beautiful Christian European mother who came to this country as a frightened teenager in the mid 1960’s with absolutely nothing (not even basic English skills) but her Bible and her faith in God. 10. Most importantly of all though (and unlike you I’m not afraid to tell you this under the 1 ID I use on OzPol either) : I have hope for today and an eternal hope and assurance of where I’m going after I die. You have no idea. You have no hope. You have nothing. Less than nothing in fact. And THAT is why your life is defined by what others tell you via your manic googling efforts. Ultimately this proves that you ...yes you are the self projecting twat in all our interactions. One last thing : You throw the word “autistic” flippantly about like it’s an obscene derogatory term. Guess what pal. It’s not. And every time you do that I realise that you’re probably self projecting yet another issue you’ve not been able to deal with in life. And for all this you have my pity.

How's Reggie's broken nose?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 9:11pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 8:41pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 7:17pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 6:55pm: Quote: Nearly all of what Jesus is purported to have taught was not original - it was from Jewish teachings, including Hillel's summary of the Torah: “That which is hateful unto you, do not do to your neighbour. This is the whole of the Torah; the rest is commentary". And Hillel was paraphrasing Leviticus 19:18 "Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself". No that’s incorrect. In fact your words prove that you read/rely on Googled information at the expense of reading the actual Bible. The facts are as follows: Whilst Jesus confirmed many Old Testament teachings He absolutely revolutionised them also. Moreover Jesus opened the door of Heaven to ALL people by bridging the gap which existed btwn us and God. And He did so through His death and resurrection from death. No. Jesus did not revolutionise the teachings of the Torah or Talmud (there was no Old Testament in his time). All the purported original teachings and most life events of Jesus were reimagined (in the way Plato did with Socrates) about 60 to 100 years after his death. Evangelising to non-Jews was Paul's self-appointed mission. Jesus did not preach for the sake of converting non-Jews to Judaism or anything else. Jesus, himself, of course, was not a Christian and did not call himself one. He was born, lived and died a devout Jew. Jesus did not depart from Judaism but quite radically put the emphasis within it on things outside the power of the Jewish clergy, the Sanhedrin, which then had the Roman governor crucify him. Jesus spoke in parables about this new emphasis, away from the primacy of the Law to the primacy of Love. A clergy can administer and regulate the Law, but not Love. It was then Paul who articulated what such a different emphasis would mean to Jews and gentiles and concluded that Love could not exclude the gentiles because such exclusion would be in obedience to the Law. Paul opened the door to the gentiles to what Jesus opened it for the Jews. Jesus did not preach against the law (as evidenced by James' following Jesus' ministry with his insistence that Gentiles become Jews first and conform to Mosaic law before joining the assembly) Jesus did rail against the corruption of the Temple priestly class with his first shall be last, rich shall be poor (etc) sermons. Paul's problem was that he was preaching to non-Jews who generally could not submit to Mosaic law, in particular, circumcision and the dietary laws, and began to preach that belief in Jesus as the Messiah - the Christ - was all that was needed for salvation. This led to clashes with the Jerusalem assembly, led by James, and ultimately to Paul's arrest and subsequent execution in Rome. Paul denigrated those who knew Jesus 'in the flesh' as subordinate to him as he had met 'the risen Christ' in spirit.

Stop Googling. You are posting fractured fairy tales and/or absolute deliberate lies about God, Jesus, Paul the Apostle etc and you’re in effect denigrating the Holy Bible. It’s absolutely clear you’ve never read the Holy Bible ... just what others (who don’t even believe in God) have stated. You are in effect repeating their rubbish on here as though it’s factual. And it’s not. You’ve done this over many years. And it’s only caused you to go round in circles. What I find scary is that you’ve been caught up in a long term vicious cycle of self perpetuating nonsense dressed up as fact.

You’ve clearly chosen not to believe in God or Jesus or the Holy Bible and that’s fine. Just don’t think that entitles you to barge into topics like this to troll others who unlike you .... do believe in God and/or are Christians by posting your obvious googled and bait driven lies.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 9:57pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 9:49pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 7:39pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 7:26pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 7:17pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 6:55pm: Quote: Nearly all of what Jesus is purported to have taught was not original - it was from Jewish teachings, including Hillel's summary of the Torah: “That which is hateful unto you, do not do to your neighbour. This is the whole of the Torah; the rest is commentary". And Hillel was paraphrasing Leviticus 19:18 "Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself". No that’s incorrect. In fact your words prove that you read/rely on Googled information at the expense of reading the actual Bible. The facts are as follows: Whilst Jesus confirmed many Old Testament teachings He absolutely revolutionised them also. Moreover Jesus opened the door of Heaven to ALL people by bridging the gap which existed btwn us and God. And He did so through His death and resurrection from death. No. 1. Jesus did not revolutionise the teachings of the Torah or Talmud (there was no Old Testament in his time). All the purported original teachings and most life events of Jesus were reimagined (in the way Plato did with Socrates) about 60 to 100 years after his death. 2. Evangelising to non-Jews was Paul's self-appointed mission. Jesus did not preach for the sake of converting non-Jews to Judaism or anything else. Jesus, himself, of course, was not a Christian and did not call himself one. He was born, lived and died a devout Jew. 1. Incorrect. Stop Googling! 2. Incorrect. Stop Googling! You are an obsessed autistic twat. You know little to nothing of Christian history. Stick to obsessive washing, cooking and cleaning. Unlike you: 1. I know, love, cherish and respect my Christian faith and the Holy Bible. 2. I’ve had 40 years of instruction. 3. I became a Christian myself at the age of 10. 4. I’ve read the Holy Bible in its entirety some 12 times. 5. I don’t need to refer to Google to teach me anything about Christianity or the Holy Bible. You do. 6. I could effortlessly chew you up and spit you out in less than 5 minutes if you ever dared to confront me face to face about my Heavenly Father God and/or His Son Jesus Christ. 7. I’ve taught Sunday School for many yrs. 8. I’ve led church youth groups for many yrs. 9. I wasn’t born into a religious family. I was born into a humble Christian family. In fact I owe my knowledge and skills and devotion wrt all things pertaining to God, family, children, cleaning, cooking, washing, gardening, keeping finances under control and home-making in general to my beautiful Christian European mother who came to this country as a frightened teenager in the mid 1960’s with absolutely nothing (not even basic English skills) but her Bible and her faith in God. 10. Most importantly of all though (and unlike you I’m not afraid to tell you this under the 1 ID I use on OzPol either) : I have hope for today and an eternal hope and assurance of where I’m going after I die. You have no idea. You have no hope. You have nothing. Less than nothing in fact. And THAT is why your life is defined by what others tell you via your manic googling efforts. Ultimately this proves that you ...yes you are the self projecting twat in all our interactions. One last thing : You throw the word “autistic” flippantly about like it’s an obscene derogatory term. Guess what pal. It’s not. And every time you do that I realise that you’re probably self projecting yet another issue you’ve not been able to deal with in life. And for all this you have my pity. How's Reggie's broken nose?

Go to bed Bwianaki Rossopoulos! Vlaka!

Lisa,

Quote:

7. I’ve taught Sunday School for many yrs.

I can confirm that Lisa is an expert on the Bible.

I don't think there is anyone more knowledgeable on Ozpolitic than her?

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 10:01pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 9:11pm: Frank wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 8:41pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 7:17pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 6:55pm: Quote: Nearly all of what Jesus is purported to have taught was not original - it was from Jewish teachings, including Hillel's summary of the Torah: “That which is hateful unto you, do not do to your neighbour. This is the whole of the Torah; the rest is commentary". And Hillel was paraphrasing Leviticus 19:18 "Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself". No that’s incorrect. In fact your words prove that you read/rely on Googled information at the expense of reading the actual Bible. The facts are as follows: Whilst Jesus confirmed many Old Testament teachings He absolutely revolutionised them also. Moreover Jesus opened the door of Heaven to ALL people by bridging the gap which existed btwn us and God. And He did so through His death and resurrection from death. No. Jesus did not revolutionise the teachings of the Torah or Talmud (there was no Old Testament in his time). All the purported original teachings and most life events of Jesus were reimagined (in the way Plato did with Socrates) about 60 to 100 years after his death. Evangelising to non-Jews was Paul's self-appointed mission. Jesus did not preach for the sake of converting non-Jews to Judaism or anything else. Jesus, himself, of course, was not a Christian and did not call himself one. He was born, lived and died a devout Jew. Jesus did not depart from Judaism but quite radically put the emphasis within it on things outside the power of the Jewish clergy, the Sanhedrin, which then had the Roman governor crucify him. Jesus spoke in parables about this new emphasis, away from the primacy of the Law to the primacy of Love. A clergy can administer and regulate the Law, but not Love. It was then Paul who articulated what such a different emphasis would mean to Jews and gentiles and concluded that Love could not exclude the gentiles because such exclusion would be in obedience to the Law. Paul opened the door to the gentiles to what Jesus opened it for the Jews. Jesus did not preach against the law (as evidenced by James' following Jesus' ministry with his insistence that Gentiles become Jews first and conform to Mosaic law before joining the assembly) Jesus did rail against the corruption of the Temple priestly class with his first shall be last, rich shall be poor (etc) sermons. Paul's problem was that he was preaching to non-Jews who generally could not submit to Mosaic law, in particular, circumcision and the dietary laws, and began to preach that belief in Jesus as the Messiah - the Christ - was all that was needed for salvation. This led to clashes with the Jerusalem assembly, led by James, and ultimately to Paul's arrest and subsequent execution in Rome. Paul denigrated those who knew Jesus 'in the flesh' as subordinate to him as he had met 'the risen Christ' in spirit. Stop Googling. You are posting fractured fairy tales and/or absolute deliberate lies about God, Jesus, Paul the Apostle etc and you’re in effect denigrating the Holy Bible. It’s absolutely clear you’ve never read the Holy Bible ... just what others (who don’t even believe in God) have stated. You are in effect repeating their rubbish on here as though it’s factual. And it’s not. You’ve done this over many years. And it’s only caused you to go round in circles. What I find scary is that you’ve been caught up in a long term vicious cycle of self perpetuating nonsense dressed up as fact. It’s not! You’ve clearly chosen not to believe in God or Jesus or the Holy Bible and that’s fine. Just don’t think that entitles you to barge into topics like this to troll others who unlike you .... do believe in God and/or are Christians by posting your obvious googled and bait driven lies.

I can tell you know nothing of the history of Christianity. If you read any of Acts you absorbed none of it... But, then, you're autistic so it's no surprise.

What we know of Christianity's earliest historicity we know almost exclusively from Acts and Paul's letters as Jesus wrote nothing. Paul was literate and a prolific writer. He also fell out with James (the brother of Jesus) for preaching heresy against the teachings of the Jerusalem assembly that continued Jesus' ministry.

Only ignorant twats like yourself ascribe Christianity's foundation to Jesus - it was almost exclusively the work of Paul - every cleric knows this because it is inarguable.

You'd know that if you'd read and absorbed anything from Acts.

Now, back to your obsessing over washing and catching Reggie out as a multi-id husband

Bobby. wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 10:12pm:

Lisa, Quote: 7. I’ve taught Sunday School for many yrs. I can confirm that Lisa is an expert on the Bible. I don't think there is anyone more knowledgeable on Ozpolitic than her?

Have you asked her about the rift between James and Paul?

It's all there in Acts.

Frank wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 8:41pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 7:17pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 6:55pm: Quote: Nearly all of what Jesus is purported to have taught was not original - it was from Jewish teachings, including Hillel's summary of the Torah: “That which is hateful unto you, do not do to your neighbour. This is the whole of the Torah; the rest is commentary". And Hillel was paraphrasing Leviticus 19:18 "Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself". No that’s incorrect. In fact your words prove that you read/rely on Googled information at the expense of reading the actual Bible. The facts are as follows: Whilst Jesus confirmed many Old Testament teachings He absolutely revolutionised them also. Moreover Jesus opened the door of Heaven to ALL people by bridging the gap which existed btwn us and God. And He did so through His death and resurrection from death. No. Jesus did not revolutionise the teachings of the Torah or Talmud (there was no Old Testament in his time). All the purported original teachings and most life events of Jesus were reimagined (in the way Plato did with Socrates) about 60 to 100 years after his death. Evangelising to non-Jews was Paul's self-appointed mission. Jesus did not preach for the sake of converting non-Jews to Judaism or anything else. Jesus, himself, of course, was not a Christian and did not call himself one. He was born, lived and died a devout Jew. Jesus did not depart from Judaism but quite radically put the emphasis within it on things outside the power of the Jewish clergy, the Sanhedrin, which then had the Roman governor crucify him. Jesus spoke in parables about this new emphasis, away from the primacy of the Law to the primacy of Love. A clergy can administer and regulate the Law, but not Love. It was then Paul who articulated what such a different emphasis would mean to Jews and gentiles and concluded that Love could not exclude the gentiles because such exclusion would be in obedience to the Law. Paul opened the door to the gentiles to what Jesus opened it for the Jews.

Absolutely 100% correct! I can’t find anything wrong in the above post. I honestly can’t.

Meister Bwian on the other hand .... can’t seem to post anything that’s correct. It’s most bizarre.

What a shame we haven’t seen nice n normal people like John Tavener or Sprint in here. 😔

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 10:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 10:12pm: Lisa, Quote: 7. I’ve taught Sunday School for many yrs. I can confirm that Lisa is an expert on the Bible. I don't think there is anyone more knowledgeable on Ozpolitic than her? Have you asked her about the rift between James and Paul? It's all there in Acts.

Lisa is well aware of everything you've rambled on about.    tsk  tsk   ::) ::)

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 10:05pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 9:57pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 9:49pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 7:39pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 7:26pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 7:17pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 6:55pm: Quote: Nearly all of what Jesus is purported to have taught was not original - it was from Jewish teachings, including Hillel's summary of the Torah: “That which is hateful unto you, do not do to your neighbour. This is the whole of the Torah; the rest is commentary". And Hillel was paraphrasing Leviticus 19:18 "Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself". No that’s incorrect. In fact your words prove that you read/rely on Googled information at the expense of reading the actual Bible. The facts are as follows: Whilst Jesus confirmed many Old Testament teachings He absolutely revolutionised them also. Moreover Jesus opened the door of Heaven to ALL people by bridging the gap which existed btwn us and God. And He did so through His death and resurrection from death. No. 1. Jesus did not revolutionise the teachings of the Torah or Talmud (there was no Old Testament in his time). All the purported original teachings and most life events of Jesus were reimagined (in the way Plato did with Socrates) about 60 to 100 years after his death. 2. Evangelising to non-Jews was Paul's self-appointed mission. Jesus did not preach for the sake of converting non-Jews to Judaism or anything else. Jesus, himself, of course, was not a Christian and did not call himself one. He was born, lived and died a devout Jew. 1. Incorrect. Stop Googling! 2. Incorrect. Stop Googling! You are an obsessed autistic twat. You know little to nothing of Christian history. Stick to obsessive washing, cooking and cleaning. Unlike you: 1. I know, love, cherish and respect my Christian faith and the Holy Bible. 2. I’ve had 40 years of instruction. 3. I became a Christian myself at the age of 10. 4. I’ve read the Holy Bible in its entirety some 12 times. 5. I don’t need to refer to Google to teach me anything about Christianity or the Holy Bible. You do. 6. I could effortlessly chew you up and spit you out in less than 5 minutes if you ever dared to confront me face to face about my Heavenly Father God and/or His Son Jesus Christ. 7. I’ve taught Sunday School for many yrs. 8. I’ve led church youth groups for many yrs. 9. I wasn’t born into a religious family. I was born into a humble Christian family. In fact I owe my knowledge and skills and devotion wrt all things pertaining to God, family, children, cleaning, cooking, washing, gardening, keeping finances under control and home-making in general to my beautiful Christian European mother who came to this country as a frightened teenager in the mid 1960’s with absolutely nothing (not even basic English skills) but her Bible and her faith in God. 10. Most importantly of all though (and unlike you I’m not afraid to tell you this under the 1 ID I use on OzPol either) : I have hope for today and an eternal hope and assurance of where I’m going after I die. You have no idea. You have no hope. You have nothing. Less than nothing in fact. And THAT is why your life is defined by what others tell you via your manic googling efforts. Ultimately this proves that you ...yes you are the self projecting twat in all our interactions. One last thing : You throw the word “autistic” flippantly about like it’s an obscene derogatory term. Guess what pal. It’s not. And every time you do that I realise that you’re probably self projecting yet another issue you’ve not been able to deal with in life. And for all this you have my pity. How's Reggie's broken nose? Go to bed Bwianaki Rossopoulos! Vlaka!

I did say go to bed Bwian.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 10:18pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 10:16pm: Bobby. wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 10:12pm: Lisa, Quote: 7. I’ve taught Sunday School for many yrs. I can confirm that Lisa is an expert on the Bible. I don't think there is anyone more knowledgeable on Ozpolitic than her? Have you asked her about the rift between James and Paul? It's all there in Acts. Lisa is well aware of everything you've rambled on about.    tsk  tsk   ::) ::)

So you haven't asked her about James and Paul, then.

Judaism & Christianity: Same Book - Different Stories

Christianity & Mohommedism: Same Story - Different Books

::)

Bobby. wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 10:12pm:

Lisa, Quote: 7. I’ve taught Sunday School for many yrs. I can confirm that Lisa is an expert on the Bible. I don't think there is anyone more knowledgeable on Ozpolitic than her?

Thanks Bobby. You and I go back many years ... way back to our Yahoo days.

In all honesty though ...for me this interaction with Bwian (he’s using the Meister id atm) isn’t about knowledge. For Bwian however ... it’s only ever been that.

For me it’s been my way of life. In real time my Christian faith is very well known and respected by those around me. From neighbours to family to friends to colleagues....they all know they cannot ever cross me on God, Jesus and the Holy Bible.

It’s a defining aspect of my personality and it shapes how I interact with them. So when I do get texts or calls by those who I know and they require help or just someone to talk to about something...they know I will immediately pray for them because I will tell them that. They know I will probably drop a Bible verse of inspiration or instruction in what I share with them.

The amazing thing about all this? It matters not if I’m dealing with a Christian, an Agnostic, an Atheist or a Muslim ...they all respect my desire to pray for them and they even thank me for it. Which brings me to my own dear confused husband. He’s a little bit like our Bwian here ... thinks he knows everything but knows SFA. And just like Bwian he’s also stuck on the atheist/agnostic see saw.

Yet even my own husband (of course only when stuff goes a tad wrong and he feels vulnerable/unsure) quietly crawls up to me like a little boy to ask me if I can pray to God for him about a certain matter. Of course I do as I don’t like seeing the man so worried.

My kids do the same (but they’re MY kids and as such they’re covered by my faith and prayers and they know their ancestors were not monkeys) ...come up to me when things get a tad tricky and ask for a quiet word and some prayer support.

I guess what I’m trying to highlight to you is this: God/Jesus/The Bible etc is not about knowledge...it’s about nurturing a growing relationship that has the capacity to draw in others through Biblical principles like faith, prayer and acts of love, care, concern and regard.

Notice how I never mentioned Google? That’s because you don’t need to know about Google in order to know about God/Jesus/the Holy Bible. It’s far easier and more accurate if you bypass Google and come the direct route.

That's great Lisa,
however - I tried to save Monk but I failed:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1679744132/300#308

Bobby. wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 10:47pm:

That's great Lisa, however - I tried to save Monk but I failed: https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1679744132/300#308

God can save.

We can pray.

Good night Bobby.

Have a safe Easter break. 🤗

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 10:57pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 10:47pm: That's great Lisa, however - I tried to save Monk but I failed: https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1679744132/300#308 God can save. We can pray. Good night Bobby. Have a safe Easter break. 🤗

Goodnight and I hope the Easter bunny got you some chocolate?    :)

Oh get a room you two.  ;D

Bobby. wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 10:12pm:

Lisa, Quote: 7. I’ve taught Sunday School for many yrs. I can confirm that Lisa is an expert on the Bible. I don't think there is anyone more knowledgeable on Ozpolitic than her?

My eyes actually widened when I read that she "became" a Christian at 10 years of age. I think I stopped being a Christian at 9 years of age. Then I became an atheist at 12 years of age.

I find it unusual that someone would read the bible 12 times in 40 years. Is it the same bible she read? I have a bible left here in this house by my late grandmother. I have actually tried to read the book a few times over. But, I end up giving up and putting it away to gather dust.

Re: the criticism of people who google bible versus to discredit the bible, I do that quite a lot. I also use google to discredit the koran. And I might well do the same for other religious texts. But, I don't do that often as I find it as helpful as yelling at the tv when my sports team is losing.

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 9:49pm:

...I know, love, cherish and respect my Christian faith and the Holy Bible.

Even as a lifelong atheist (I'm ignostic... usually!) I can respect people
of faith in the same way I respect people of all backgrounds and
beliefs.  Many of my friends are practicing Christians, and we've never
had any issues with disagreements over atheism versus theism.  It's
really a non-topic for us.

But... I contend that we're both atheists Lisa. I just believe in one
fewer god than you do.  When you understand why you dismiss all the
other possible gods, you'll understand why I dismiss yours.


Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 9:49pm:

One last thing : You [MeisterEckhart] throw the word “autistic” flippantly about like it’s an obscene derogatory term...

Yes.  This sort of offensive denigration occurs all too often on these
forums, and again I'm unsure as to why the admin/mods don't put an
end to it.

I'm also seeing "homo", "tranny", "mong", "abo", "pedo" being directed
at members, plus a whole raft of similar derogatory/racist/sexist terms.

I've often wondered why some bigoted people use the term "autistic"
in order to insult someone's intelligence—many autistic people score
average to above-average IQ; compared to the general public, more
autistic people score in the gifted range of IQ = 140+.

Research by evolutionary biologist Bernard Crespi actually suggests
that autism is a “disorder of high intelligence” as a number of recent
studies have found a positive genetic correlation between autism genes
and measures of mental ability. This research indicates that alleles for
autism overlap broadly with alleles for high intelligence.

Anyway...

I'm hoping everyone is enjoying a safe and happy Easter break, and
ignoring the increased calorific intake LOL.


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AusGeoff wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 1:13am:

This sort of offensive denigration occurs all too often on these forums, and again I'm unsure as to why the admin/mods don't put an end to it.

For a codger, you haven't learned the relationship between your sanctimonious rants and stupidity.

She uses derogatory names for most posters here. Regularly spits acid at them.

Is obsessed with most here being a multi-id like it's a sexual fetish, yet blows smoke up the arse of one poster here who used many ids.

Posts unwelcome abusive PMs to posters here then denies she did it.

Has been suspended multiple times for her bullshit.

Stick to stamp collecting.

You can always spot a bullshit artist on Christian history by whether they've read Acts and comprehended it.

Written between 40AD and 60AD, it is the earliest and most historical surviving account of that period, begun even before Christians were called Christians. Acts predates all the gospels.

All people training to be clerics discuss and debate Acts and have done for nearly 2000 years.

It speaks frankly and openly about the rift between the Jerusalem Assembly and Paul, Paul's heresies and his eventual split with the Jerusalem Assembly.

It's clear that Jesus was only a man and a Jew with a message for Jews. Paul, who never met Jesus, then deified him as a god-man with a completely different message - All clerics, no matter what the denomination, agree with this.

It is Pauline thought that dominates the gospels and Christianity, not Jesus in the way it is Plato's dialogues that control the person of Socrates.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 6:13am:

You can always spot a bullshit artist on Christian history by whether they've read Acts and comprehended it. Written between 40AD and 60AD, it is the earliest and most historical surviving account of that period, begun even before Christians were called Christians. Acts predates all the gospels. All people training to be clerics discuss and debate Acts and have done for nearly 2000 years. It speaks frankly and openly about the rift between the Jerusalem Assembly and Paul, Paul's heresies and his eventual split with the Jerusalem Assembly. It's clear that Jesus was only a man and a Jew with a message for Jews. Paul, who never met Jesus, then deified him as a god-man with a completely different message - All clerics, no matter what the denomination, agree with this. It is Pauline thought that dominates the gospels and Christianity, not Jesus in the way it is Plato's dialogues that control the person of Socrates.

In this religious gimmick, which was safely unverifiable in his absence, we have the Christian notion that knowledge or awareness of Cosmic Truth is esoteric. And that it is unavailable to those who do not believe, or have not performed some ritual.

issuevoter wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 7:25am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:13am: You can always spot a bullshit artist on Christian history by whether they've read Acts and comprehended it. Written between 40AD and 60AD, it is the earliest and most historical surviving account of that period, begun even before Christians were called Christians. Acts predates all the gospels. All people training to be clerics discuss and debate Acts and have done for nearly 2000 years. It speaks frankly and openly about the rift between the Jerusalem Assembly and Paul, Paul's heresies and his eventual split with the Jerusalem Assembly. It's clear that Jesus was only a man and a Jew with a message for Jews. Paul, who never met Jesus, then deified him as a god-man with a completely different message - All clerics, no matter what the denomination, agree with this. It is Pauline thought that dominates the gospels and Christianity, not Jesus in the way it is Plato's dialogues that control the person of Socrates. In this religious gimmick, which was safely unverifiable in his absence, we have the Christian notion that knowledge or awareness of Cosmic Truth is esoteric. And that it is unavailable to those who do not believe, or have not performed some ritual.

With Paul, there was also a more urgent belief. He believed that the End Times were imminent - within his lifetime - and was driven to prepare as many as he could for the coming of the 'Kingdom of God' which would follow the end times (something Jesus did apparently preach).

In Jesus' case, he and his apostles wanted to prepare Israel (as in those who wrestle with El - Yahweh) by upending Judaean society (first shall be last, rich shall be poor) and bringing people back to zealously following the Torah.

Paul, for his part, (Paul was a Hellenised Jew) found, in the Hellenised world he lived in, that Judaising Hellenes wasn't viable, so settled on a Judaic heresy - that Jesus himself was not just a man but was divine and that belief in this alone was enough to save the believer from the wrath of Yahweh at the end times - so no time to learn, let alone need to follow, the Torah.

AusGeoff wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 1:13am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 9:49pm: ...I know, love, cherish and respect my Christian faith and the Holy Bible. Even as a lifelong atheist (I'm ignostic... usually!) I can respect people of faith in the same way I respect people of all backgrounds and beliefs.  Many of my friends are practicing Christians, and we've never had any issues with disagreements over atheism versus theism.  It's really a non-topic for us. But... I contend that we're both atheists Lisa. I just believe in one fewer god than you do.  When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you'll understand why I dismiss yours. Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 8th, 2023 at 9:49pm: One last thing : You [MeisterEckhart] throw the word “autistic” flippantly about like it’s an obscene derogatory term... Yes.  This sort of offensive denigration occurs all too often on these forums, and again I'm unsure as to why the admin/mods don't put an end to it. I'm also seeing "homo", "tranny", "mong", "abo", "pedo" being directed at members, plus a whole raft of similar derogatory/racist/sexist terms. I've often wondered why some bigoted people use the term "autistic" in order to insult someone's intelligence—many autistic people score average to above-average IQ; compared to the general public, more autistic people score in the gifted range of IQ = 140+. Research by evolutionary biologist Bernard Crespi actually suggests that autism is a “disorder of high intelligence” as a number of recent studies have found a positive genetic correlation between autism genes and measures of mental ability. This research indicates that alleles for autism overlap broadly with alleles for high intelligence. Anyway... I'm hoping everyone is enjoying a safe and happy Easter break, and ignoring the increased calorific intake LOL.

What an awesome read. Esp re autism which is 💯 fact!

I have to disagree with you about atheism. Unlike you (and more importantly unlike our very confused Meister Bwian who lives online and only knows what he’s googled)....I am no atheist. I am no agnostic either. I am a Christian. Those who know me in real time can attest to this. I live to serve and help out where I can. I save as much money as possible so that I can have more to help those around me. Charity begins at home. That means family and extended family and I’ll be honest here ... thanks to Covid19 and the terrible lockdowns my neighbours are my family too.

There’s a lot to be said for sparking positive energy around you.

Let’s bring this back to my online persona Lisa Jones. What I love about Lisa Jones is that the persona can help me take a complete break. I guess the persona also gives me a chance to contemplate what my life would have been like had I chosen another path. One which involved total full time dedication to God as a Missionary. Or a Minister’s wife. Most of my friends from Uni are Missionaries or Ministers or Minister’s wives. The reminder (not many) chose a life of total dedication to their chosen career path. They never married and never had children. They felt comfortable in climbing a corporate ladder instead and that path drew me in also. It was through that corporate pathway I met a much older lawyer who later became my 1st husband. During that short lived marriage I was never given the right to choose motherhood. It was decided for me by this much older man who became nothing more than a very abusive and fearful demon in my life.

I don’t regret motherhood. I never have. Why? It was in becoming a mother (against my own will mind you) ... that I discovered true love and I found my true vocation in life. You have no idea how giving birth can make your eyes see God who is the ultimate giver of life ... in a different light. Of course this brings me to today....Easter Sunday - the day our Heavenly Father God raised His Son Jesus Christ from the dead.

And the wonderful thing is this - Jesus was seen alive by many after His resurrection. Many people.

Even though today isn’t the real day ... many Christians have reclaimed the date and ascribed it with its true significance. So today our household will be celebrating the fact that Jesus Christ rose from the dead.

The BBQ Webber is on. Soon the beautiful aroma of my slow roasting marinaded lamb will overtake all the neighbouring back yards.

And Meister Bwian will once again spend his Sunday super glued to his computer arguing total googled rubbish in his vain attempt to prove the inevitable tragic reality that he knows SFA about a God he doesn’t even believe in.

Could someone else please keep the lonely and miserable Meister Bwian company for me? Think of it as a child minding session.

Some hand over notes which will help any child minder : Meister Bwian will spit his dummy IF/WHEN he thinks he’s googled something his feeble mind has determined might be relevant and convincing to his otherwise ignorant brain. The dummy spit will occur the second you tear his helpless uninformed and out of context googled posts down so be sure to plug that dummy straight back in his uninformed mouth!

Do not fret ... I’ll be back online tonight to quickly scan through Meister Bwian’s rubbish. And as per usual ...it will only take me a few moments to blast his googled inane rants into oblivion.

Cheers i

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 6:13am:

You can always spot a bullshit artist on Christian history by whether they've read Acts and comprehended it. Written between 40AD and 60AD, it is the earliest and most historical surviving account of that period, begun even before Christians were called Christians. Acts predates all the gospels. All people training to be clerics discuss and debate Acts and have done for nearly 2000 years. It speaks frankly and openly about the rift between the Jerusalem Assembly and Paul, Paul's heresies and his eventual split with the Jerusalem Assembly. It's clear that Jesus was only a man and a Jew with a message for Jews. Paul, who never met Jesus, then deified him as a god-man with a completely different message - All clerics, no matter what the denomination, agree with this. It is Pauline thought that dominates the gospels and Christianity, not Jesus in the way it is Plato's dialogues that control the person of Socrates.

Acts  ?

there are 28 chapters - have you understood it all?

https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=4870983

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 7:55am:

Do not fret ... I’ll be back online tonight to quickly scan through Meister Bwian’s rubbish. And as per usual ...it will only take me a few moments to blast his googled inane rants into oblivion.

Will you be googling Acts before or after you bash Reggie with a frying pan?

As I said, it's easy to spot someone who hasn't read Acts.

And remember, no PMs.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 8:04am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:13am: You can always spot a bullshit artist on Christian history by whether they've read Acts and comprehended it. Written between 40AD and 60AD, it is the earliest and most historical surviving account of that period, begun even before Christians were called Christians. Acts predates all the gospels. All people training to be clerics discuss and debate Acts and have done for nearly 2000 years. It speaks frankly and openly about the rift between the Jerusalem Assembly and Paul, Paul's heresies and his eventual split with the Jerusalem Assembly. It's clear that Jesus was only a man and a Jew with a message for Jews. Paul, who never met Jesus, then deified him as a god-man with a completely different message - All clerics, no matter what the denomination, agree with this. It is Pauline thought that dominates the gospels and Christianity, not Jesus in the way it is Plato's dialogues that control the person of Socrates. Acts  ? there are 28 chapters - have you understood it all? https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=4870983

You're a Christian, what is your take on James' confrontation with Paul?

Bobby. wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 8:04am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:13am: You can always spot a bullshit artist on Christian history by whether they've read Acts and comprehended it. Written between 40AD and 60AD, it is the earliest and most historical surviving account of that period, begun even before Christians were called Christians. Acts predates all the gospels. All people training to be clerics discuss and debate Acts and have done for nearly 2000 years. It speaks frankly and openly about the rift between the Jerusalem Assembly and Paul, Paul's heresies and his eventual split with the Jerusalem Assembly. It's clear that Jesus was only a man and a Jew with a message for Jews. Paul, who never met Jesus, then deified him as a god-man with a completely different message - All clerics, no matter what the denomination, agree with this. It is Pauline thought that dominates the gospels and Christianity, not Jesus in the way it is Plato's dialogues that control the person of Socrates. Acts  ? there are 28 chapters - have you understood it all? https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=4870983

Good morning Bobby!!

Meister Bwian hasn’t read Acts. He’s once again only posting what he’s Googled. And what he’s Googled is absolute uninformed Roman Catholic Church/atheist driven dribble.

I’m allowing him time to dribble and spew his ridiculous bile. Once he’s finished I should be back online to post up a few more hard hitting facts in his godless face. No doubt after that he’ll spit the dummy once more and log off to do some more googling of more atheist/Roman Catholic Church sites. That’s ALL he has in life. That IS his life.

In the interim could you child mind him please Bobby? Occasionally throw a few toys at him. I found it keeps him occupied.

Cheers

PS Don’t answer his ridiculous questions. Keep him hanging. I’ll blast his stupid questions out of here in 1 post when I get back.

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 8:13am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 8:04am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:13am: You can always spot a bullshit artist on Christian history by whether they've read Acts and comprehended it. Written between 40AD and 60AD, it is the earliest and most historical surviving account of that period, begun even before Christians were called Christians. Acts predates all the gospels. All people training to be clerics discuss and debate Acts and have done for nearly 2000 years. It speaks frankly and openly about the rift between the Jerusalem Assembly and Paul, Paul's heresies and his eventual split with the Jerusalem Assembly. It's clear that Jesus was only a man and a Jew with a message for Jews. Paul, who never met Jesus, then deified him as a god-man with a completely different message - All clerics, no matter what the denomination, agree with this. It is Pauline thought that dominates the gospels and Christianity, not Jesus in the way it is Plato's dialogues that control the person of Socrates. Acts  ? there are 28 chapters - have you understood it all? https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=4870983 Good morning Bobby!! Meister Bwian hasn’t read Acts. He’s once again only posting what he’s Googled. And what he’s Googled is absolute uninformed Roman Catholic Church/atheist driven dribble. I’m allowing him time to dribble and spew his ridiculous bile. Once he’s finished I should be back online to post up a few more hard hitting facts in his godless face. No doubt after that he’ll spit the dummy once more and log off to do some more googling of more atheist/Roman Catholic Church sites. That’s ALL he has in life. That IS his life. In the interim could you child mind him please Bobby? Occasionally throw a few toys at him. I found it keeps him occupied. Cheers

Yep, you haven't read Acts.

What you have is a villager's knowledge of Christianity that is taught to children.

Up for AusGeoff:

What an awesome read. Esp re autism which is 💯 fact!

I have to disagree with you about atheism. Unlike you (and more importantly unlike our very confused Meister Bwian who lives online and only knows what he’s googled)....I am no atheist. I am no agnostic either. I am a Christian. Those who know me in real time can attest to this. I live to serve and help out where I can. I save as much money as possible so that I can have more to help those around me. Charity begins at home. That means family and extended family and I’ll be honest here ... thanks to Covid19 and the terrible lockdowns my neighbours are my family too.

There’s a lot to be said for sparking positive energy around you.

Let’s bring this back to my online persona Lisa Jones. What I love about Lisa Jones is that the persona can help me take a complete break. I guess the persona also gives me a chance to contemplate what my life would have been like had I chosen another path. One which involved total full time dedication to God as a Missionary. Or a Minister’s wife. Most of my friends from Uni are Missionaries or Ministers or Minister’s wives. The reminder (not many) chose a life of total dedication to their chosen career path. They never married and never had children. They felt comfortable in climbing a corporate ladder instead and that path drew me in also. It was through that corporate pathway I met a much older lawyer who later became my 1st husband. During that short lived marriage I was never given the right to choose motherhood. It was decided for me by this much older man who became nothing more than a very abusive and fearful demon in my life.

I don’t regret motherhood. I never have. Why? It was in becoming a mother (against my own will mind you) ... that I discovered true love and I found my true vocation in life. You have no idea how giving birth can make your eyes see God who is the ultimate giver of life ... in a different light. Of course this brings me to today....Easter Sunday - the day our Heavenly Father God raised His Son Jesus Christ from the dead.

And the wonderful thing is this - Jesus was seen alive by many after His resurrection. Many people.

Even though today isn’t the real day ... many Christians have reclaimed the date and ascribed it with its true significance. So today our household will be celebrating the fact that Jesus Christ rose from the dead.

The BBQ Webber is on. Soon the beautiful aroma of my slow roasting marinaded lamb will overtake all the neighbouring back yards.

And Meister Bwian will once again spend his Sunday super glued to his computer arguing total googled rubbish in his vain attempt to prove the inevitable tragic reality that he knows SFA about a God he doesn’t even believe in.

Could someone else please keep the lonely and miserable Meister Bwian company for me? Think of it as a child minding session.

Some hand over notes which will help any child minder : Meister Bwian will spit his dummy IF/WHEN he thinks he’s googled something his feeble mind has determined might be relevant and convincing to his otherwise ignorant brain. The dummy spit will occur the second you tear his helpless uninformed and out of context googled posts down so be sure to plug that dummy straight back in his uninformed mouth!

Do not fret ... I’ll be back online tonight to quickly scan through Meister Bwian’s rubbish. And as per usual ...it will only take me a few moments to blast his googled inane rants into oblivion.

Cheers

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 8:11am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 8:04am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:13am: You can always spot a bullshit artist on Christian history by whether they've read Acts and comprehended it. Written between 40AD and 60AD, it is the earliest and most historical surviving account of that period, begun even before Christians were called Christians. Acts predates all the gospels. All people training to be clerics discuss and debate Acts and have done for nearly 2000 years. It speaks frankly and openly about the rift between the Jerusalem Assembly and Paul, Paul's heresies and his eventual split with the Jerusalem Assembly. It's clear that Jesus was only a man and a Jew with a message for Jews. Paul, who never met Jesus, then deified him as a god-man with a completely different message - All clerics, no matter what the denomination, agree with this. It is Pauline thought that dominates the gospels and Christianity, not Jesus in the way it is Plato's dialogues that control the person of Socrates. Acts  ? there are 28 chapters - have you understood it all? https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=4870983 You're a Christian, what is your take on James' confrontation with Paul?

I am not a theologian so my thoughts are from someone unqualified but you can start here:

Most Bible scholars pit the apostles James and Paul against one another, claiming that the two stood on opposite sides of a debate over faith and works. But were the two followers of Jesus really at odds? Reviewing the origins of that idea is a critical first step toward answering the question.

https://www.vision.org/james-and-paul-why-conflict-312

Bobby. wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 8:27am:

I am not a theologian so my thoughts are from someone unqualified but you can start here: Most Bible scholars pit the apostles James and Paul against one another, claiming that the two stood on opposite sides of a debate over faith and works. But were the two followers of Jesus really at odds? Reviewing the origins of that idea is a critical first step toward answering the question. https://www.vision.org/james-and-paul-why-conflict-312

You should start there.

When you've read it, ask yourself the question: if James and Paul were united on religious matters how is it that James (a Jew 'zealous for the law') insisted on new followers becoming Jews first and following the Torah before being accepted by the Jerusalem assembly, while Paul preached the end of the Torah and absolution from following Mosaic Law.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 8:38am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 8:27am: I am not a theologian so my thoughts are from someone unqualified but you can start here: Most Bible scholars pit the apostles James and Paul against one another, claiming that the two stood on opposite sides of a debate over faith and works. But were the two followers of Jesus really at odds? Reviewing the origins of that idea is a critical first step toward answering the question. https://www.vision.org/james-and-paul-why-conflict-312 You should start there. When you've read it, ask yourself the question: if James and Paul were united on religious matters how is it that James (a Jew 'zealous for the law') insisted on new followers becoming Jews first and following the Torah before being accepted by the Jerusalem assembly, while Paul preached the end of the Torah and absolution from following Mosaic Law.

I've told you I'm not qualified - you tell us.

Are you qualified?

Bobby. wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 8:40am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 8:38am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 8:27am: I am not a theologian so my thoughts are from someone unqualified but you can start here: Most Bible scholars pit the apostles James and Paul against one another, claiming that the two stood on opposite sides of a debate over faith and works. But were the two followers of Jesus really at odds? Reviewing the origins of that idea is a critical first step toward answering the question. https://www.vision.org/james-and-paul-why-conflict-312 You should start there. When you've read it, ask yourself the question: if James and Paul were united on religious matters how is it that James (a Jew 'zealous for the law') insisted on new followers becoming Jews first and following the Torah before being accepted by the Jerusalem assembly, while Paul preached the end of the Torah and absolution from following Mosaic Law. I've told you I'm not qualified - you tell us. Are you qualified?

You can comprehend the question, can't you?

You're a Christian, apparently, have you not read the New Testament? Have you read Acts?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 8:48am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 8:40am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 8:38am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 8:27am: I am not a theologian so my thoughts are from someone unqualified but you can start here: Most Bible scholars pit the apostles James and Paul against one another, claiming that the two stood on opposite sides of a debate over faith and works. But were the two followers of Jesus really at odds? Reviewing the origins of that idea is a critical first step toward answering the question. https://www.vision.org/james-and-paul-why-conflict-312 You should start there. When you've read it, ask yourself the question: if James and Paul were united on religious matters how is it that James (a Jew 'zealous for the law') insisted on new followers becoming Jews first and following the Torah before being accepted by the Jerusalem assembly, while Paul preached the end of the Torah and absolution from following Mosaic Law. I've told you I'm not qualified - you tell us. Are you qualified? You can comprehend the question, can't you? You're a Christian, apparently, have you not read the New Testament? Have you read Acts?

I have read the Bible many times but I don't claim to understand everything in it.

What is your claim and what are your qualifications in regards to the Bible?

Bobby. wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 8:51am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 8:48am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 8:40am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 8:38am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 8:27am: I am not a theologian so my thoughts are from someone unqualified but you can start here: Most Bible scholars pit the apostles James and Paul against one another, claiming that the two stood on opposite sides of a debate over faith and works. But were the two followers of Jesus really at odds? Reviewing the origins of that idea is a critical first step toward answering the question. https://www.vision.org/james-and-paul-why-conflict-312 You should start there. When you've read it, ask yourself the question: if James and Paul were united on religious matters how is it that James (a Jew 'zealous for the law') insisted on new followers becoming Jews first and following the Torah before being accepted by the Jerusalem assembly, while Paul preached the end of the Torah and absolution from following Mosaic Law. I've told you I'm not qualified - you tell us. Are you qualified? You can comprehend the question, can't you? You're a Christian, apparently, have you not read the New Testament? Have you read Acts? I have read the Bible many times but I don't claim to understand everything in it.

As with all great works of fiction, it's up to you to use your imagination.

You can interpret the stories however you like, and find your own personal meaning in them.

There's no right or wrong to be understood.

Just read, and enjoy.

I've read the Bible twice, and it's a cracking read - as are many Stephen King novels.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 8:51am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 8:48am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 8:40am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 8:38am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 8:27am: I am not a theologian so my thoughts are from someone unqualified but you can start here: Most Bible scholars pit the apostles James and Paul against one another, claiming that the two stood on opposite sides of a debate over faith and works. But were the two followers of Jesus really at odds? Reviewing the origins of that idea is a critical first step toward answering the question. https://www.vision.org/james-and-paul-why-conflict-312 You should start there. When you've read it, ask yourself the question: if James and Paul were united on religious matters how is it that James (a Jew 'zealous for the law') insisted on new followers becoming Jews first and following the Torah before being accepted by the Jerusalem assembly, while Paul preached the end of the Torah and absolution from following Mosaic Law. I've told you I'm not qualified - you tell us. Are you qualified? You can comprehend the question, can't you? You're a Christian, apparently, have you not read the New Testament? Have you read Acts? I have read the Bible many times but I don't claim to understand everything in it. What is your claim and what are your qualifications in regards to the Bible?

I have read numerous books on the historicity of Christianity, I have read the New Testament. Given Jesus wrote nothing, the jousting between James, the Jerusalem Assembly and Paul, it's clear that there are two distinct characterisations of 'Jesus'

There's Jesus of those who knew him and were his apostles - a devout Jew and zealous for the Torah and there's Paul's version which he claimed was given to him by a vision of Jesus after his death. Paul's Jesus requires only belief that he is the Christ and observance of the Torah is abolished - including circumcision and all dietary laws.

The two versions are irreconcilable.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 9:05am:

I have read numerous books on the historicity of Christianity, I have read the New Testament. Given Jesus wrote nothing, the jousting between James, the Jerusalem Assembly and Paul, it's clear that there are two distinct characterisations of 'Jesus' There's Jesus of those who knew him and were his apostles - a devout Jew and zealous for the Torah and there's Paul's version which he claimed was given to him by a vision of Jesus after his death. Paul's Jesus requires only belief that he is the Christ and observance of the Torah is abolished - including circumcision and all dietary laws. The two versions are irreconcilable.

Well then - get Lisa to explain it to you if you ask her nicely.   :)

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 8:54am:

As with all great works of fiction, it's up to you to use your imagination.

Acts is as close to an historical account as is left of the Jesus story, although it is largely Paul's account of the matters.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 8:54am:

As with all great works of fiction, it's up to you to use your imagination. You can interpret the stories however you like, and find your own personal meaning in them. There's no right or wrong to be understood. Just read, and enjoy. I've read the Bible twice, and it's a cracking read - as are many Stephen King novels.

To find your own personal meaning could be heresy.   :o

Bobby. wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 9:08am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:05am: I have read numerous books on the historicity of Christianity, I have read the New Testament. Given Jesus wrote nothing, the jousting between James, the Jerusalem Assembly and Paul, it's clear that there are two distinct characterisations of 'Jesus' There's Jesus of those who knew him and were his apostles - a devout Jew and zealous for the Torah and there's Paul's version which he claimed was given to him by a vision of Jesus after his death. Paul's Jesus requires only belief that he is the Christ and observance of the Torah is abolished - including circumcision and all dietary laws. The two versions are irreconcilable. Well then - get Lisa to explain it to you if you ask her nicely.   :)

Lisa has a child's comprehension of Christianity.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 9:08am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 8:54am: As with all great works of fiction, it's up to you to use your imagination. You can interpret the stories however you like, and find your own personal meaning in them. There's no right or wrong to be understood. Just read, and enjoy. I've read the Bible twice, and it's a cracking read - as are many Stephen King novels. To find your own personal meaning could be heresy.   :o

No, it's a Protestant mission to find personal meaning unmediated by clerics.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 9:10am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:08am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:05am: I have read numerous books on the historicity of Christianity, I have read the New Testament. Given Jesus wrote nothing, the jousting between James, the Jerusalem Assembly and Paul, it's clear that there are two distinct characterisations of 'Jesus' There's Jesus of those who knew him and were his apostles - a devout Jew and zealous for the Torah and there's Paul's version which he claimed was given to him by a vision of Jesus after his death. Paul's Jesus requires only belief that he is the Christ and observance of the Torah is abolished - including circumcision and all dietary laws. The two versions are irreconcilable. Well then - get Lisa to explain it to you if you ask her nicely.   :) Lisa has a child's comprehension of Christianity.

Lisa knows a lot more than you -
she'll be back soon to set you right.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 9:28am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:10am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:08am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:05am: I have read numerous books on the historicity of Christianity, I have read the New Testament. Given Jesus wrote nothing, the jousting between James, the Jerusalem Assembly and Paul, it's clear that there are two distinct characterisations of 'Jesus' There's Jesus of those who knew him and were his apostles - a devout Jew and zealous for the Torah and there's Paul's version which he claimed was given to him by a vision of Jesus after his death. Paul's Jesus requires only belief that he is the Christ and observance of the Torah is abolished - including circumcision and all dietary laws. The two versions are irreconcilable. Well then - get Lisa to explain it to you if you ask her nicely.   :) Lisa has a child's comprehension of Christianity. Lisa knows a lot more than you - she'll be back soon to set you right.

No. She's too defensive about it to have any kowledge of the historicity of Christianity

Her understanding is that of a child's, like yours.

I'm guessing you went to Sunday school as a child and that is the extent of your understanding of Christianity.

See, clerics never get uppity about the James-Paul thing because they've long-since reconciled that it's a matter of faith.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 9:32am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:28am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:10am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:08am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 9:05am: I have read numerous books on the historicity of Christianity, I have read the New Testament. Given Jesus wrote nothing, the jousting between James, the Jerusalem Assembly and Paul, it's clear that there are two distinct characterisations of 'Jesus' There's Jesus of those who knew him and were his apostles - a devout Jew and zealous for the Torah and there's Paul's version which he claimed was given to him by a vision of Jesus after his death. Paul's Jesus requires only belief that he is the Christ and observance of the Torah is abolished - including circumcision and all dietary laws. The two versions are irreconcilable. Well then - get Lisa to explain it to you if you ask her nicely.   :) Lisa has a child's comprehension of Christianity. Lisa knows a lot more than you - she'll be back soon to set you right. No. She's too defensive about it. Her understanding is that of a child's, like yours. I'm guessing you went to Sunday school as a child and that is the extent of your understanding of Christianity.

You are boasting about your knowledge by trying to put others down.


Romans 1    KJV


[29] Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness,
maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

[30] Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

[31] Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

[32] Who knowing the judgment of God,
that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same,
but have pleasure in them that do them.

No. It's a Protestant's act to take 'Political' meaning from the Bible as it is a Catholics act to take 'Artistic' meaning from the Bible.

Meister Ecstasy tablet - the 'monotheisms' in their 'small print' are just unimportant masturbations for people to feel intellectual about.

Also, when people like Bobby or Lisa go on about being 'Christian', in essence they are not. They are both merely 'fans' of Christianity. No more than just fans in the grandstands cheering their Clergy on in their 'clergy's' Church or Holy Place.
I gather you would have spotted this straight away and realised they're not worth giving chase to.

Jasin wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 9:42am:

No. It's a Protestant's act to take 'Political' meaning from the Bible as it is a Catholics act to take 'Artistic' meaning from the Bible. Meister Ecstasy tablet - the 'monotheisms' in their 'small print' are just unimportant masturbations for people to feel intellectual about. Also, when people like Bobby or Lisa go on about being 'Christian', in essence they are not. They are both merely 'fans' of Christianity. No more than just fans in the grandstands cheering their Clergy on in their 'clergy's' Church or Holy Place. I gather you would have spotted this straight away and realised they're not worth giving chase to.

That's heresy -

the Spanish Inquisition would have stretched you on a rack.    ;D

Jasin wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 9:42am:

No. It's a Protestant's act to take 'Political' meaning from the Bible as it is a Catholics act to take 'Artistic' meaning from the Bible. Meister Ecstasy tablet - the 'monotheisms' in their 'small print' are just unimportant masturbations for people to feel intellectual about. Also, when people like Bobby or Lisa go on about being 'Christian', in essence they are not. They are both merely 'fans' of Christianity. No more than just fans in the grandstands cheering their Clergy on in their 'clergy's' Church or Holy Place. I gather you would have spotted this straight away and realised they're not worth giving chase to.

The force behind Protestantism is that the individual finds communion with god directly - i.e. not through a cleric.

This issue was one of the reasons that led to Charles I (as the Supreme Governor of the Church of England) being executed - one of his mistakes being he tried to enforce a standard book of prayer on the Scottish Presbyterian church and in doing so acted as a meddling cleric.

Yes, I have long realised neither Booby nor Larry are christians. Users of christianity, of religiosity.