Jacinta Nampijinpa Price wants you to vote no, sign the petition, and share this on facebook:

https://www.fairaustralia.com.au/pledge

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:55am:

Jacinta Nampijinpa Price wants you to vote no, sign the petition, and share this on facebook: https://www.fairaustralia.com.au/pledge

yes, "Australians should be one, together. Not two, divided".

....especially,  no group in Oz should be forced into morale-destroying, destructive welfare dependency, while everyone else can find employment.

https://pavlina-tcherneva.net/the-case-for-a-job-guarantee/

The Case for a Job Guarantee
PAVLINA R. TCHERNEVA

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 1:47pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 11:55am: Jacinta Nampijinpa Price wants you to vote no, sign the petition, and share this on facebook: https://www.fairaustralia.com.au/pledge yes, "Australians should be one, together. Not two, divided". ....especially,  no group in Oz should be forced into morale-destroying, destructive welfare dependency, while everyone else can find employment. https://pavlina-tcherneva.net/the-case-for-a-job-guarantee/ The Case for a Job Guarantee PAVLINA R. TCHERNEVA

Separate issue....



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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 2:04pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 1:47pm: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 11:55am: Jacinta Nampijinpa Price wants you to vote no, sign the petition, and share this on facebook: https://www.fairaustralia.com.au/pledge yes, "Australians should be one, together. Not two, divided". ....especially,  no group in Oz should be forced into morale-destroying, destructive welfare dependency, while everyone else can find employment. https://pavlina-tcherneva.net/the-case-for-a-job-guarantee/ The Case for a Job Guarantee PAVLINA R. TCHERNEVA Separate issue.... https://media3.giphy.com/media/nwMbgNVU7TxjxcopU6/giphy.gif

Nice pic; is it you, graps?

But just to remind you, Price has said "the nation must close the gap".... therefore welfare dependency is not a "separate issue".

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freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 11:55am:

Jacinta Nampijinpa Price wants you to vote no, sign the petition, and share this on facebook: https://www.fairaustralia.com.au/pledge

A Country Liberal Party Senator.  She, and her (dubious) Petition can get fuqqed.

No surprise you are flogging her band wagon Effendi.  If you get Mt Warning back to risk your neck on, will you stop sulking and tell us what sound a jellyfish makes??

And if you want to pull out 'Uncle Toms' I'll raise you with an Ash Barty, a Cathy Freeman, a Buddy Franklin, a Patty Mills, a Jonathan Thurston and an Adam Goodes, just for useless, pathetic celebrity starters at least as 'worthy' as your wanker, Jacinta.

If I wanted to get a little further up the credibility ladder from the lowest rung, I might even throw in a Noel Pearson, but...I'm not much of a fan of his.

Not too keen on any of the Abo pro or con lot except one, a bloke.......Ken Wyatt.  I do take him seriously.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 3:03pm:

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Laughter, the best medicine...especially after dealing with slippery customers like FD....

Aussie wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 3:15pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 11:55am: Jacinta Nampijinpa Price wants you to vote no, sign the petition, and share this on facebook: https://www.fairaustralia.com.au/pledge A Country Liberal Party Senator.  She, and her (dubious) Petition can get fuqqed. No surprise you are flogging her band wagon Effendi.  If you get Mt Warning back to risk your neck on, will you stop sulking and tell us what sound a jellyfish makes?? And if you want to pull out 'Uncle Toms' I'll raise you with an Ash Barty, a Cathy Freeman, a Buddy Franklin, a Patty Mills, a Jonathan Thurston and an Adam Goodes, just for useless, pathetic celebrity starters at least as 'worthy' as your wanker, Jacinta. If I wanted to get a little further up the credibility ladder from the lowest rung, I might even throw in a Noel Pearson, but...I'm not much of a fan of his. Not too keen on any of the Abo pro or con lot except one, a bloke.......Ken Wyatt.  I do take him seriously.

Or, you could develop some principles Aussie.

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 3:43pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 3:15pm: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 11:55am: Jacinta Nampijinpa Price wants you to vote no, sign the petition, and share this on facebook: https://www.fairaustralia.com.au/pledge A Country Liberal Party Senator.  She, and her (dubious) Petition can get fuqqed. No surprise you are flogging her band wagon Effendi.  If you get Mt Warning back to risk your neck on, will you stop sulking and tell us what sound a jellyfish makes?? And if you want to pull out 'Uncle Toms' I'll raise you with an Ash Barty, a Cathy Freeman, a Buddy Franklin, a Patty Mills, a Jonathan Thurston and an Adam Goodes, just for useless, pathetic celebrity starters at least as 'worthy' as your wanker, Jacinta. If I wanted to get a little further up the credibility ladder from the lowest rung, I might even throw in a Noel Pearson, but...I'm not much of a fan of his. Not too keen on any of the Abo pro or con lot except one, a bloke.......Ken Wyatt.  I do take him seriously. Or, you could develop some principles Aussie.

I have.  Here are some.

1.  Aboriginals 'owned' this place before we defeated them militarily and took it over.

2.  They have been seriously disadvantaged, dislocated as a consequence.

3.  "The Voice" goes some meaningless way in addressing that, but it is a start.

4.  I hope that moderate people like Ken Wyatt are around when the inevitable Treaty is worked out and that the Lydia Thorpes have been marginalised into irrelevance.

I'll work into the future on that basis.

You? Effendi, what are yours?  Do they start at the end of a gun?

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 1:47pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 11:55am: Jacinta Nampijinpa Price wants you to vote no, sign the petition, and share this on facebook: https://www.fairaustralia.com.au/pledge yes, "Australians should be one, together. Not two, divided". ....especially,  no group in Oz should be forced into morale-destroying, destructive welfare dependency, while everyone else can find employment. https://pavlina-tcherneva.net/the-case-for-a-job-guarantee/ The Case for a Job Guarantee PAVLINA R. TCHERNEVA

I'm all for Civil War if it means Australians protecting true Politics introduced by Britain against that Fake Media Politics emanating from the USA and it's version of a Voice that orthodox Politics has already got in place.

Aussie wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 3:59pm:

"The Voice" goes some meaningless way in addressing that, but it is a start.

;D

Aussie, if Aborigines cannot even agree on whether there should be a voice, how are they ever going to be effectively represented by it? Has it ever occurred to you that they might not be some kind of mindless collective, and that treating them as such is actually part of the problem, not the solution?

Would you support a white voice to parliament, which was appointed by the government and which you had no control over, that told the government what you think, on account of you being white?

Those are not principles Aussie, they are meaningless gibberish.

"end of a gun", you say?  Surely that is the last resort... but if the ballot box will not yield the proper result that will unite the country instead of plunging it into endless conflict, some may see that as the only solution.  Get into it and get it over fast.

The counter-revolution would be better served staying low and simply doing to the Indigenous Occupied Zones what they have been doing for the past few years... burning, smashing cars in car parks, stealing from them, making absurd claims about them and about ownership (nobody owns crown land without our approval - government holds it in trust for all equally, and if they want to change that, they need to ask us first via a referendum - all land handovers should be via referendum) ..

Indeed there will be changes stemming from this silliness ...... and most of them will not be in favour of those promoting it as they seem to imagine... more likely it will be changes brought about by increased awareness of the majority and demands from that majority for REAL changes that suit all and not just a small lot here and there.

Aussie wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 3:59pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 3:43pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 3:15pm: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 11:55am: Jacinta Nampijinpa Price wants you to vote no, sign the petition, and share this on facebook: https://www.fairaustralia.com.au/pledge A Country Liberal Party Senator.  She, and her (dubious) Petition can get fuqqed. No surprise you are flogging her band wagon Effendi.  If you get Mt Warning back to risk your neck on, will you stop sulking and tell us what sound a jellyfish makes?? And if you want to pull out 'Uncle Toms' I'll raise you with an Ash Barty, a Cathy Freeman, a Buddy Franklin, a Patty Mills, a Jonathan Thurston and an Adam Goodes, just for useless, pathetic celebrity starters at least as 'worthy' as your wanker, Jacinta. If I wanted to get a little further up the credibility ladder from the lowest rung, I might even throw in a Noel Pearson, but...I'm not much of a fan of his. Not too keen on any of the Abo pro or con lot except one, a bloke.......Ken Wyatt.  I do take him seriously. Or, you could develop some principles Aussie. I have.  Here are some. 1.  Aboriginals 'owned' this place before we defeated them militarily and took it over. 2.  They have been seriously disadvantaged, dislocated as a consequence. 3.  "The Voice" goes some meaningless way in addressing that, but it is a start. 4.  I hope that moderate people like Ken Wyatt are around when the inevitable Treaty is worked out and that the Lydia Thorpes have been marginalised into irrelevance. I'll work into the future on that basis. You? Effendi, what are yours?  Do they start at the end of a gun?

Hope is not a good reason for constitutional change. You might as well have said "I pray".

You can't have a treaty with people who have never had and never will have sovereignty, a first requirement for entering into a treaty.

Or if they had - a very doubtful proposition - it has been completely extinguished.

Judgment:

In Coe v Commonwealth [1993] HCA 4 (Coe (No. 2)), Isabel Coe on behalf of the Wiradjuri Tribe asserted that the Wiradjuri people were a sovereign nation in the external sense, meaning that they were a sovereign nation independent of the British colonisers.

In the alternative, they claimed to enjoy a subsidiary or internal form of sovereignty as a 'domestic dependent nation, entitled to self-government and full rights over their traditional lands, save only the right to alienate them to whoever they please' [8].

Mason CJ, whilst noting the importance of Mabo v the State of Queensland [No. 2] [1992] HCA 23 (Mabo (No. 2)) held that the findings in that case were 'entirely at odds with the notion that sovereignty adverse to the Crown resides in the Aboriginal people of Australia' [27]. His Honour held that the decision was 'equally at odds' with the notion that a limited kind of sovereignty resides in the Aboriginal people [27].

The decision is important as it shows the limitations of Mabo (No. 2), whilst also dispelling the notion that Aboriginal sovereignty could exist alongside Crown sovereignty. The issue raised in Coe (No. 2) is also important due to the context of the time in which it was decided. It followed the decisions in Coe v Commonwealth [1979] HCA 68 (Coe (No. 1)) and Mabo (No. 2).

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Details of the judgment

Relying on the decisions in Coe (No. 1) and Mabo (No. 2), Mason CJ held that the sovereignty claimed by the plaintiffs did not exist. His Honour also held that there was no legal consequence for the acts that referred to as genocide.

The sovereignty claim

Mason CJ held that Mabo (No. 2) is at odds with the notion that sovereignty adverse to the Crown is held by the Aboriginal people of Australia. Instead, he held that Mabo (No. 2) found that land in the Murray Islands was held by means of native title under the paramount sovereignty of the Crown. This principle applies to the entirety of the Australian mainland, including the territory claimed by Coe on behalf of the Wiradjuri Tribe.

The genocide claim

The Wiradjuri Tribe relied on international law and the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (the Convention) to argue that the forced settlement of Australia constituted genocide.

With respect to the Convention, Mason CJ held that international conventions do not give rise to rights under Australian law in the absence of legislation giving effect to the convention. In any case, he stated that the Convention post-dates most of the acts complained of.

His Honour also held that there was no reason why the acts that referred to should generate an entitlement to damages or compensation against either the Commonwealth or NSW. Both of those parties, in their form at the time of the case, had not been party to many of the alleged acts, which occurred in the late eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries.

Dismissing the claim

The plaintiffs sought to derive further support from the minority judgments of Murphy and Jacobs JJ in Coe (No. 1) However, Mason CJ preferred the reasoning of Gibbs J, who had dismissed the appeal.

Gibbs J had considered:
a)��� that it was settled law that the Australian colonies were acquired by Great Britain by settlement and not by conquest; and
b)��� that the amended statement of claim did not plead sufficiently or appropriately a claim that the Aboriginal people had subsisting rights and interests in land which were recognised by the common law.

As a result, Mason CJ held that Coe (No. 1) provided no support to a surviving Aboriginal claim to sovereignty and dismissed the claim.

Implications

The concept of sovereignty as it has developed in the common law, through cases such as Coe (No. 1) and Mabo (No. 2), is of importance for several reasons. Aside from being a central part of the debate about Australia's history and future, it also has implications for how a treaty process can be negotiated between Australia and its Indigenous people.

Academic literature notes that the dismissal of sovereignty in cases such as Coe (No. 2) is unlikely to pose a roadblock to moving forward with 'innovative new settlements' (Brennan et al., 2004). However, it does suggest that the matter of acquisition of sovereignty is one for international law, whereas the consequences of that acquisition of sovereignty is a matter for the domestic legal and political sphere (Brennan, et al., citing Mabo (No. 2)).
https://database.atns.net.au/agreement.asp?EntityID=8719#:~:text=In%20Coe%20v%20Commonwealth%20%5B1993,independent%20of%20the%20British%20colonisers.

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 6:05pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 3:59pm: "The Voice" goes some meaningless way in addressing that, but it is a start. ;D Aussie, if Aborigines cannot even agree on whether there should be a voice, how are they ever going to be effectively represented by it?.

I knew it was only a matter of time before someone would be stupid enough to make that argument.  No surprise that it was fd to make it.

:D

John Smith wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 6:17pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:05pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 3:59pm: "The Voice" goes some meaningless way in addressing that, but it is a start. ;D Aussie, if Aborigines cannot even agree on whether there should be a voice, how are they ever going to be effectively represented by it?. I knew it was only a matter of time before someone would be stupid enough to make that argument.  No surprise that it was fd to make it. :D

Why is it a stupid argument Thick As? I bet you can't explain it.

"the amended statement of claim did not plead sufficiently or appropriately a claim that the Aboriginal people had subsisting rights and interests in land which were recognised by the common law."

That should be applied to demands for national parks..... beyond there be dragons...

Frank wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 6:25pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:05pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 3:59pm: "The Voice" goes some meaningless way in addressing that, but it is a start. ;D Aussie, if Aborigines cannot even agree on whether there should be a voice, how are they ever going to be effectively represented by it?. I knew it was only a matter of time before someone would be stupid enough to make that argument.  No surprise that it was fd to make it. :D Why is it a stupid argument Thick As? I bet you can't explain it.

5-Dogs Moron can never explain anything. Anything beyond a few lines, is too hard basket.

Maybe we can leave Centralia and other parts of the Continent to the Carpentarian Aborigines - like Anglos/Saxons from around Denmark/Germany left the original Britons the part known as Wales? :D

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 6:05pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 3:59pm: "The Voice" goes some meaningless way in addressing that, but it is a start. ;D Aussie, if Aborigines cannot even agree on whether there should be a voice, how are they ever going to be effectively represented by it? Has it ever occurred to you that they might not be some kind of mindless collective, and that treating them as such is actually part of the problem, not the solution?

I am not excluding them from this Referendum.  They all get to vote...yes or no.  Those that oppose it can vote no.  I'll just respond to the wankers who just ignore the important relevance of this thing, people like you.


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Would you support a white voice to parliament, which was appointed by the government and which you had no control over, that told the government what you think, on account of you being white?

Pretty pointless given that most of the MPs are white and none of them had ancestors who 'owned' this Land we occupied by force.


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Those are not principles Aussie, they are meaningless gibberish.

Sure Effendi...just because you said so.

Bleh.

Jasin wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 6:40pm:

Maybe we can leave Centralia and other parts of the Continent to the Carpentarian Aborigines - like Anglos/Saxons from around Denmark/Germany left the original Britons the part known as Wales? :D

I see the NSW government has bought up several old 'stations' west of Bourke and is chattering about handing those to the Aborigines.... start of the Homeland?  No sign of fences and gates etc, so not Aborassic Park, and we need to find an island for Gondwanamo Bay.... all the dissidents and troublemakers go there for ideological reassignment therapy.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 7:08pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:40pm: Maybe we can leave Centralia and other parts of the Continent to the Carpentarian Aborigines - like Anglos/Saxons from around Denmark/Germany left the original Britons the part known as Wales? :D I see the NSW government has bought up several old 'stations' west of Bourke and is chattering about handing those to the Aborigines.... start of the Homeland?  No sign of fences and gates etc, so not Aborassic Park, and we need to find an island for Gondwanamo Bay.... all the dissidents and troublemakers go there for ideological reassignment therapy.

Well Uluru is a start. Kicked the white trash off the rock. ;D

Frank wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 6:25pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:05pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 3:59pm: "The Voice" goes some meaningless way in addressing that, but it is a start. ;D Aussie, if Aborigines cannot even agree on whether there should be a voice, how are they ever going to be effectively represented by it?. I knew it was only a matter of time before someone would be stupid enough to make that argument.  No surprise that it was fd to make it. :D Why is it a stupid argument Thick As? I bet you can't explain it.

When was the last time we had a referendum,  or any policy for that matter,
with 100% of the white man's vote in favour of it, ya dumbass

Jasin wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 7:11pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 7:08pm: Jasin wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:40pm: Maybe we can leave Centralia and other parts of the Continent to the Carpentarian Aborigines - like Anglos/Saxons from around Denmark/Germany left the original Britons the part known as Wales? :D I see the NSW government has bought up several old 'stations' west of Bourke and is chattering about handing those to the Aborigines.... start of the Homeland?  No sign of fences and gates etc, so not Aborassic Park, and we need to find an island for Gondwanamo Bay.... all the dissidents and troublemakers go there for ideological reassignment therapy. Well Uluru is a start. Kicked the white trash off the rock. ;D

Yeah - now only the locals can piss and poo in the waterholes the animals drink from etc.... and fall off the Rock.... how's their annual death rate compared to the rest of Oz?  Rock climbers had about 12% the annual rate, so it wasn't about people dying up there all the time... same as Mt Warning - at least until the Dungeoneers in government stopped repairing the tracks and such.

Should be put on trial for reckless endangerment..... causing death and injury at times.

Aussie wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 7:05pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:05pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 3:59pm: "The Voice" goes some meaningless way in addressing that, but it is a start. ;D Aussie, if Aborigines cannot even agree on whether there should be a voice, how are they ever going to be effectively represented by it? Has it ever occurred to you that they might not be some kind of mindless collective, and that treating them as such is actually part of the problem, not the solution? I am not excluding them from this Referendum.  They all get to vote...yes or no.  Those that oppose it can vote no.  I'll just respond to the wankers who just ignore the important relevance of this thing, people like you. Quote: Would you support a white voice to parliament, which was appointed by the government and which you had no control over, that told the government what you think, on account of you being white? Pretty pointless given that most of the MPs are white and none of them had ancestors who 'owned' this Land we occupied by force. [quote]Those are not principles Aussie, they are meaningless gibberish.

Sure Effendi...just because you said so.

Bleh.
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Do you think Aborigines are some kind of mindless collective Aussie?


John Smith wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 7:42pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:25pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:05pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 3:59pm: "The Voice" goes some meaningless way in addressing that, but it is a start. ;D Aussie, if Aborigines cannot even agree on whether there should be a voice, how are they ever going to be effectively represented by it?. I knew it was only a matter of time before someone would be stupid enough to make that argument.  No surprise that it was fd to make it. :D Why is it a stupid argument Thick As? I bet you can't explain it. When was the last time we had a referendum,  or any policy for that matter, with 100% of the white man's vote in favour of it, ya dumbass

Yep. Frank was right. Meaningless dribble.

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 8:22pm:

Meaningless dribble.

Your speciality

Oh look. 5-dogs Moron Smith is trying to masturbait people as is his usual. ::)

John Smith wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 7:42pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:25pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:05pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 3:59pm: "The Voice" goes some meaningless way in addressing that, but it is a start. ;D Aussie, if Aborigines cannot even agree on whether there should be a voice, how are they ever going to be effectively represented by it?. I knew it was only a matter of time before someone would be stupid enough to make that argument.  No surprise that it was fd to make it. :D Why is it a stupid argument Thick As? I bet you can't explain it. When was the last time we had a referendum,  or any policy for that matter, with 100% of the white man's vote in favour of it, ya dumbass

1967.

And your idiotic 'question' is not an explanation of why Aborigines themselves cant agree on what their Aboriginal Voice IS and thus an answer to the problems of ALL Aborigines. They bleat on about being some sort of unified First Nations (3%) in the sea of the rest of Australia. They aren't.

Why have an Aboriginal Voice when there is not ONE Aboriginal voice but there are many and conflicting?? Who will the Voice speak for if not ALL Aborigines?


Your thickness, and your ratty, militant strutting of your eyewatering stupidity earns you extra Bbwianesque points,  Thick as F%**&.
It paints me to find an Italian to be the epitome of mindless stupidity but you do take the Idiot Prize effortlessly.

Frank wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 8:43pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 7:42pm: Frank wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:25pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:05pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 3:59pm: "The Voice" goes some meaningless way in addressing that, but it is a start. ;D Aussie, if Aborigines cannot even agree on whether there should be a voice, how are they ever going to be effectively represented by it?. I knew it was only a matter of time before someone would be stupid enough to make that argument.  No surprise that it was fd to make it. :D Why is it a stupid argument Thick As? I bet you can't explain it. When was the last time we had a referendum,  or any policy for that matter, with 100% of the white man's vote in favour of it, ya dumbass 1967.l

Stay stupid Frank. Only 90% of the population voted yes in that one. Want to try again?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 3:03pm:

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LOL...  best laugh of the day.   Thank you.

Now the Media Politicians are going to use Sports Stars for the Voice.  ::)

Jasin wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 10:09pm:

Now the Media Politicians are going to use Sports Stars for the Voice.  ::)

Sports should stay out of this... personal views fine - but backing up with the clubs frightened to be called 'racist'?  Show some balls in football.  The two they kick around are the only pair there it seems....

Show a set!!

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I'm waiting for some politically expert Music stars to join the sports stars in all this. ;D

Jasin wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 10:28pm:

I'm waiting for some politically expert Music stars to join the sports stars in all this. ;D

A few actors... they know it all....

Can't be short of a dollar - the sit-down money keeps rolling in:-

"The NT Government manages 85 parks, reserves and protected areas across the Northern Territory with 33 of these areas formally joint managed with Aboriginal Traditional Owners.

A percentage of fees on jointly managed parks will be paid to governing land councils on behalf of Traditional Owners."

https://www.miragenews.com/parks-pass-required-from-april-3-979614/

Another government suck-up.  When are they going to learn?

Frank wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 6:25pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:05pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 3:59pm: "The Voice" goes some meaningless way in addressing that, but it is a start. ;D Aussie, if Aborigines cannot even agree on whether there should be a voice, how are they ever going to be effectively represented by it?. I knew it was only a matter of time before someone would be stupid enough to make that argument.  No surprise that it was fd to make it. :D Why is it a stupid argument Thick As? I bet you can't explain it.

And it's a sad indictment on this forum that this is an actual question.

And validated by other posters!

Frank, old boy, one tends not to get 100% consensus on anything at all. Even the most obvious things have their nay-sayers ... fo all sorts of intersting and diverse reasons.

Were you actually hoping that Jacinta Price, a known liberal shill, being opposed to Voice somehow translates as disunity amongst ATSI people?

mothra wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 7:38am:

Frank wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:25pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:05pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 3:59pm: "The Voice" goes some meaningless way in addressing that, but it is a start. ;D Aussie, if Aborigines cannot even agree on whether there should be a voice, how are they ever going to be effectively represented by it?. I knew it was only a matter of time before someone would be stupid enough to make that argument.  No surprise that it was fd to make it. :D Why is it a stupid argument Thick As? I bet you can't explain it. And it's a sad indictment on this forum that this is an actual question. And validated by other posters! Frank, old boy, one tends not to get 100% consensus on anything at all. Even the most obvious things have their nay-sayers ... fo all sorts of intersting and diverse reasons. Were you actually hoping that Jacinta Price, a known liberal shill, being opposed to Voice somehow translates as disunity amongst ATSI people?

Well - why is it a stupid argument other than in Smith's mind and mouth?  There is no unity among ATSI people...... no nation and no sovereignty... you know that.  The locals here aren't voting for it for the reason it does not represent them or the real needs of those in need.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 7:31am:

Can't be short of a dollar - the sit-down money keeps rolling in:- "The NT Government manages 85 parks, reserves and protected areas across the Northern Territory with 33 of these areas formally joint managed with Aboriginal Traditional Owners. A percentage of fees on jointly managed parks will be paid to governing land councils on behalf of Traditional Owners." https://www.miragenews.com/parks-pass-required-from-april-3-979614/ Another government suck-up.  When are they going to learn?

And even with this income, they hold out their hands for more and more money.

Great nation my arse, they cannot support themselves.

the only "Nation" on earth that ows its entire existence to people who work and pay taxes to a grubberment that gives them beggers money.

No self pride to try and make a go of it themselves, just hold out their hands and beg.

The aboriginal national coat of arms is a leech on one side a tick on the other holding a dole cheque up.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 7:44am:

mothra wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 7:38am: Frank wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:25pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:05pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 3:59pm: "The Voice" goes some meaningless way in addressing that, but it is a start. ;D Aussie, if Aborigines cannot even agree on whether there should be a voice, how are they ever going to be effectively represented by it?. I knew it was only a matter of time before someone would be stupid enough to make that argument.  No surprise that it was fd to make it. :D Why is it a stupid argument Thick As? I bet you can't explain it. And it's a sad indictment on this forum that this is an actual question. And validated by other posters! Frank, old boy, one tends not to get 100% consensus on anything at all. Even the most obvious things have their nay-sayers ... fo all sorts of intersting and diverse reasons. Were you actually hoping that Jacinta Price, a known liberal shill, being opposed to Voice somehow translates as disunity amongst ATSI people? Well - why is it a stupid argument other than in Smith's mind and mouth?  There is no unity among ATSI people...... no nation and no sovereignty... you know that.  The locals here aren't voting for it for the reason it does not represent them or the real needs of those in need.

I think you'll find most ATSI people support it.

mothra wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:07am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 7:44am: mothra wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 7:38am: Frank wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:25pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:05pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 3:59pm: "The Voice" goes some meaningless way in addressing that, but it is a start. ;D Aussie, if Aborigines cannot even agree on whether there should be a voice, how are they ever going to be effectively represented by it?. I knew it was only a matter of time before someone would be stupid enough to make that argument.  No surprise that it was fd to make it. :D Why is it a stupid argument Thick As? I bet you can't explain it. And it's a sad indictment on this forum that this is an actual question. And validated by other posters! Frank, old boy, one tends not to get 100% consensus on anything at all. Even the most obvious things have their nay-sayers ... fo all sorts of intersting and diverse reasons. Were you actually hoping that Jacinta Price, a known liberal shill, being opposed to Voice somehow translates as disunity amongst ATSI people? Well - why is it a stupid argument other than in Smith's mind and mouth?  There is no unity among ATSI people...... no nation and no sovereignty... you know that.  The locals here aren't voting for it for the reason it does not represent them or the real needs of those in need. I think you'll find most ATSI people support it.

Perhaps so - but that doesn't mean they are a united group at all - put seven tribal groups in one town and they fight all the time.  The point is that regardless of how they may imagine some 'voice' will solve everything for them by handing them control and power (LMAO), it simply will not function because they are a set of small and disparate groups, not a single unity.  So it would be massively unwieldy and costly and achieve nothing of value apart from being eventually struck down for being a problem in the land.

Vote NO for sanity - if Albo thinks it's such a good idea, why does it need to be enshrined in the constitution to make it irremovable other than by a referendum or a revolt?  Why not just set it up and see how it goes..... like ATSIC, you know... well - because it's been tried before and failed and failed and failed..... so now the New Fascists demand it be put into our Constitution by taking the votes of countless people who are not even full citizens or have no idea since they've only been here and in ghettoes for a short time.  Why can dual citizens not sit in Parliament yet can change our constitution?  What form of madness is that one?

Silliest idea I've ever heard.... and 3.3% of the population and growing daily with hangers-on and other leeches won't carry a referendum... you still need a lot of fools to vote YES out of emotion and without thinking or without a shred of understanding ...

You just keep repeating yourself, Crappler. All day and night long .. day after day, week after week, month after month.

mothra wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:21am:

You just keep repeating yourself, Crappler. All day and night long .. day after day, week after week, month after month.

You're repeating yourself.  Clearly you and many others need to be reminded of simple realities day in and day out.  You'll get it one day.

The single good thing that will come out of this voice silliness will be that Albo and Co (Inc) will wake the Australian people up more than Abbott and Morrisson did as to the very real dire straits our government and governance is in.... and the desperate need for changes.

You do not understand the animal political and its cunning - AlboCorp (Inc) is doing this to achieve that exact thing - to wake the sleeping giant of the people and get them to demand that government take some positive steps to settle all the Aboriginal problems.... when the people cry out for Gondwanamo Bay and Aborassic Park Homeland they can say - the people wanted it, not us...... we would never have designed Konzentrationslageren or sent in massive law enforcement and created a massivbe prison population out of them unless the people demanded it.... we would never have cut out and off all those duplicated bodies that currently represent Aborigines unless the people demanded it thus saving on the Budget.... we would never have enforced mutual obligation on them and chopped their budget down to the same as everyone else .... not us!!!  The people forced us to it!!!

mothra wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 7:38am:

Frank wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:25pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:05pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 3:59pm: "The Voice" goes some meaningless way in addressing that, but it is a start. ;D Aussie, if Aborigines cannot even agree on whether there should be a voice, how are they ever going to be effectively represented by it?. I knew it was only a matter of time before someone would be stupid enough to make that argument.  No surprise that it was fd to make it. :D Why is it a stupid argument Thick As? I bet you can't explain it. And it's a sad indictment on this forum that this is an actual question. And validated by other posters! Frank, old boy, one tends not to get 100% consensus on anything at all. Even the most obvious things have their nay-sayers ... fo all sorts of intersting and diverse reasons. Were you actually hoping that Jacinta Price, a known liberal shill, being opposed to Voice somehow translates as disunity amongst ATSI people?

Can you elaborate on this "unity" among aboriginal people that you imagine Moths? How does it translate to a single voice to parliament representing all of their opinions?

Is your effort to dismiss a successful female aboriginal politician as being nothing more than a "shill" your way of saying that her opinion as an aboriginal doesn't count?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:19am:

Well - why is it a stupid argument other than in Smith's mind and mouth?  ...

Because there has NEVER been 100% consensus on any policy by any race of people EVER so why would you expect aborigines to all agree on everything? You're a moron if you need that explained to you

John Smith wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:52am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:19am: Well - why is it a stupid argument other than in Smith's mind and mouth?  ... Because there has NEVER been 100% consensus on any policy by any race of people EVER so why would you expect aborigines to all agree on everything? You're a moron if you need that explained to you

Do you support the voice to parliament John?

freediver wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 11:12am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:52am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:19am: Well - why is it a stupid argument other than in Smith's mind and mouth?  ... Because there has NEVER been 100% consensus on any policy by any race of people EVER so why would you expect aborigines to all agree on everything? You're a moron if you need that explained to you Do you support the voice to parliament John?

I've yet to see any real reason to vote no.

John Smith wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 11:13am:

freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:12am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:52am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:19am: Well - why is it a stupid argument other than in Smith's mind and mouth?  ... Because there has NEVER been 100% consensus on any policy by any race of people EVER so why would you expect aborigines to all agree on everything? You're a moron if you need that explained to you Do you support the voice to parliament John? I've yet to see any real reason to vote no.

What are your reasons for voting Yes?
Can you articulate those, at least?

John Smith wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 11:13am:

freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:12am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:52am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:19am: Well - why is it a stupid argument other than in Smith's mind and mouth?  ... Because there has NEVER been 100% consensus on any policy by any race of people EVER so why would you expect aborigines to all agree on everything? You're a moron if you need that explained to you Do you support the voice to parliament John? I've yet to see any real reason to vote no.

Do you support the voice to parliament John?

Sounds more like a 'Voice' to the Media.
Will Delta and Seal be judging?
Apparently 'sports' stars are making a big difference in this 'political' Voice.

Frank wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 11:37am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:13am: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:12am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:52am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:19am: Well - why is it a stupid argument other than in Smith's mind and mouth?  ... Because there has NEVER been 100% consensus on any policy by any race of people EVER so why would you expect aborigines to all agree on everything? You're a moron if you need that explained to you Do you support the voice to parliament John? I've yet to see any real reason to vote no. What are your reasons for voting Yes? Can you articulate those, at least?

Why not

Why not give a good reason to vote for it?  We're waiting... surely you've got one good reason to vote for it....

Lessee now - adult Aborigines around 2% + 1 vote... not sure this will pass.

John Smith wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 12:03pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:37am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:13am: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:12am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:52am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:19am: Well - why is it a stupid argument other than in Smith's mind and mouth?  ... Because there has NEVER been 100% consensus on any policy by any race of people EVER so why would you expect aborigines to all agree on everything? You're a moron if you need that explained to you Do you support the voice to parliament John? I've yet to see any real reason to vote no. What are your reasons for voting Yes? Can you articulate those, at least? Why not

Why not NO, then, thick as mince mong, to speak Italian for a moment.

John Smith wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 12:03pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:37am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:13am: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:12am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:52am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:19am: Well - why is it a stupid argument other than in Smith's mind and mouth?  ... Because there has NEVER been 100% consensus on any policy by any race of people EVER so why would you expect aborigines to all agree on everything? You're a moron if you need that explained to you Do you support the voice to parliament John? I've yet to see any real reason to vote no. What are your reasons for voting Yes? Can you articulate those, at least? Why not

Is it because you are completely lacking in principles John?

600,000 people cannot hold a nation of 26 million to ransom on any subject they choose.....

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 1:47pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 11:55am: Jacinta Nampijinpa Price wants you to vote no, sign the petition, and share this on facebook: https://www.fairaustralia.com.au/pledge yes, "Australians should be one, together. Not two, divided". ....especially,  no group in Oz should be forced into morale-destroying, destructive welfare dependency, while everyone else can find employment. https://pavlina-tcherneva.net/the-case-for-a-job-guarantee/ The Case for a Job Guarantee PAVLINA R. TCHERNEVA

That's a load of bollocks that "everyone" else except Aboriginals can find employment. ::)

Everything she posts is a load of bollocks.

Aussie wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 3:15pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 11:55am: Jacinta Nampijinpa Price wants you to vote no, sign the petition, and share this on facebook: https://www.fairaustralia.com.au/pledge A Country Liberal Party Senator.  She, and her (dubious) Petition can get fuqqed. No surprise you are flogging her band wagon Effendi.  If you get Mt Warning back to risk your neck on, will you stop sulking and tell us what sound a jellyfish makes?? And if you want to pull out 'Uncle Toms' I'll raise you with an Ash Barty, a Cathy Freeman, a Buddy Franklin, a Patty Mills, a Jonathan Thurston and an Adam Goodes, just for useless, pathetic celebrity starters at least as 'worthy' as your wanker, Jacinta. If I wanted to get a little further up the credibility ladder from the lowest rung, I might even throw in a Noel Pearson, but...I'm not much of a fan of his. Not too keen on any of the Abo pro or con lot except one, a bloke.......Ken Wyatt.  I do take him seriously.

;D ;D You take Kangaroo skin Ken Wyatt seriously?

Why because he resigned from the Libs?

He's a phukkin idiot.... but I understand your affinity with him ....

after all you think Clive Palmer is a good bloke too. ::)

I thought the Yes campaign adding Ash Barty, Freeman, Thurston & co to their propaganda list pathetic..... especially with Adam Goodes on it.

But overall I would put more substance to Prices reasoning because she's been there & lived it....

Wyatt & those celebrities have not.....

You sure know how to pick winners  ;D

freediver wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 2:49pm:

Everything she posts is a load of bollocks.

That's "he" ..... it was TheGreatDiv

Aussie wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 3:59pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 3:43pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 3:15pm: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 11:55am: Jacinta Nampijinpa Price wants you to vote no, sign the petition, and share this on facebook: https://www.fairaustralia.com.au/pledge A Country Liberal Party Senator.  She, and her (dubious) Petition can get fuqqed. No surprise you are flogging her band wagon Effendi.  If you get Mt Warning back to risk your neck on, will you stop sulking and tell us what sound a jellyfish makes?? And if you want to pull out 'Uncle Toms' I'll raise you with an Ash Barty, a Cathy Freeman, a Buddy Franklin, a Patty Mills, a Jonathan Thurston and an Adam Goodes, just for useless, pathetic celebrity starters at least as 'worthy' as your wanker, Jacinta. If I wanted to get a little further up the credibility ladder from the lowest rung, I might even throw in a Noel Pearson, but...I'm not much of a fan of his. Not too keen on any of the Abo pro or con lot except one, a bloke.......Ken Wyatt.  I do take him seriously. Or, you could develop some principles Aussie. I have.  Here are some. 1.  Aboriginals 'owned' this place before we defeated them militarily and took it over. 2.  They have been seriously disadvantaged, dislocated as a consequence. 3.  "The Voice" goes some meaningless way in addressing that, but it is a start. 4.  I hope that moderate people like Ken Wyatt are around when the inevitable Treaty is worked out and that the Lydia Thorpes have been marginalised into irrelevance. I'll work into the future on that basis. You? Effendi, what are yours?  Do they start at the end of a gun?

You should have stuck to being a shyster

backing Ken Wyatt would be about par for your selection customers.

1, 2 & 3 prove you really don't have a clue.

Frank wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 6:12pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 3:59pm: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 3:43pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 3:15pm: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 11:55am: Jacinta Nampijinpa Price wants you to vote no, sign the petition, and share this on facebook: https://www.fairaustralia.com.au/pledge A Country Liberal Party Senator.  She, and her (dubious) Petition can get fuqqed. No surprise you are flogging her band wagon Effendi.  If you get Mt Warning back to risk your neck on, will you stop sulking and tell us what sound a jellyfish makes?? And if you want to pull out 'Uncle Toms' I'll raise you with an Ash Barty, a Cathy Freeman, a Buddy Franklin, a Patty Mills, a Jonathan Thurston and an Adam Goodes, just for useless, pathetic celebrity starters at least as 'worthy' as your wanker, Jacinta. If I wanted to get a little further up the credibility ladder from the lowest rung, I might even throw in a Noel Pearson, but...I'm not much of a fan of his. Not too keen on any of the Abo pro or con lot except one, a bloke.......Ken Wyatt.  I do take him seriously. Or, you could develop some principles Aussie. I have.  Here are some. 1.  Aboriginals 'owned' this place before we defeated them militarily and took it over. 2.  They have been seriously disadvantaged, dislocated as a consequence. 3.  "The Voice" goes some meaningless way in addressing that, but it is a start. 4.  I hope that moderate people like Ken Wyatt are around when the inevitable Treaty is worked out and that the Lydia Thorpes have been marginalised into irrelevance. I'll work into the future on that basis. You? Effendi, what are yours?  Do they start at the end of a gun? Hope is not a good reason for constitutional change. You might as well have said "I pray". You can't have a treaty with people who have never had and never will have sovereignty, a first requirement for entering into a treaty. Or if they had - a very doubtful proposition - it has been completely extinguished.

Would you really expect that sort of flippant statement about the Constitution from an ex - lawyer?

Aussie wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 7:05pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:05pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 3:59pm: "The Voice" goes some meaningless way in addressing that, but it is a start. ;D Aussie, if Aborigines cannot even agree on whether there should be a voice, how are they ever going to be effectively represented by it? Has it ever occurred to you that they might not be some kind of mindless collective, and that treating them as such is actually part of the problem, not the solution? I am not excluding them from this Referendum.  They all get to vote...yes or no.  Those that oppose it can vote no.  I'll just respond to the wankers who just ignore the important relevance of this thing, people like you. Quote: Would you support a white voice to parliament, which was appointed by the government and which you had no control over, that told the government what you think, on account of you being white? Pretty pointless given that most of the MPs are white and none of them had ancestors who 'owned' this Land we occupied by force. [quote]Those are not principles Aussie, they are meaningless gibberish.

Sure Effendi...just because you said so.

Bleh.
[/quote]


You being obtuse or just phukkin stupid?

Most MPs are white????

You seriously need your eyes checked.

There are 11 Aboriginal Senators & MPs in Parliament.

Per head of population they have more representation than non Aboriginals.

And the non- Aboriginals are not all white either.

Can't believe you ever had a legal background.

John Smith wrote on Apr 9^th, 2023 at 8:26pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 8:22pm: Meaningless dribble. Your speciality

You've out done him ... & Aussie.

mothra wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:21am:

You just keep repeating yourself, Crappler. All day and night long .. day after day, week after week, month after month.

And you don't?

John Smith wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 11:13am:

freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:12am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:52am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:19am: Well - why is it a stupid argument other than in Smith's mind and mouth?  ... Because there has NEVER been 100% consensus on any policy by any race of people EVER so why would you expect aborigines to all agree on everything? You're a moron if you need that explained to you Do you support the voice to parliament John? I've yet to see any real reason to vote no.

;D Yeah well ... maybe you shouldn't have a right to vote if that's how poorly you hold the Constitution & other Australians in regard.

Gnads wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 2:42pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 1:47pm: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 11:55am: Jacinta Nampijinpa Price wants you to vote no, sign the petition, and share this on facebook: https://www.fairaustralia.com.au/pledge yes, "Australians should be one, together. Not two, divided". ....especially,  no group in Oz should be forced into morale-destroying, destructive welfare dependency, while everyone else can find employment. https://pavlina-tcherneva.net/the-case-for-a-job-guarantee/ The Case for a Job Guarantee PAVLINA R. TCHERNEVA That's a load of bollocks that "everyone" else except Aboriginals can find employment. ::)

Lack of comprehension skills?

I deliberately wrote"  no group in Oz should be forced into morale-destroying, destructive welfare dependency.

'No group' means welfare dependent people regardless of race.

Which btw slippery FD agreed with, until he realised it was incompatible with this "freedom" ideology.

in his own 'the wrong referendum' thread;

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1680909737/39

see #10.

Gnads wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 3:12pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:13am: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:12am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:52am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:19am: Well - why is it a stupid argument other than in Smith's mind and mouth?  ... Because there has NEVER been 100% consensus on any policy by any race of people EVER so why would you expect aborigines to all agree on everything? You're a moron if you need that explained to you Do you support the voice to parliament John? I've yet to see any real reason to vote no. ;D Yeah well ... maybe you shouldn't have a right to vote if that's how poorly you hold the Constitution & other Australians in regard.

Lucky for Australia that morons like you don't get to make that decision

freediver wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 2:19pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 12:03pm: Frank wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:37am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:13am: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:12am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:52am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:19am: Well - why is it a stupid argument other than in Smith's mind and mouth?  ... Because there has NEVER been 100% consensus on any policy by any race of people EVER so why would you expect aborigines to all agree on everything? You're a moron if you need that explained to you Do you support the voice to parliament John? I've yet to see any real reason to vote no. What are your reasons for voting Yes? Can you articulate those, at least? Why not Is it because you are completely lacking in principles John?

No, if I was lacking in principles I'd call myself fd and run a site full of bigots

I'll support the already established Political 'Voice' for Aborigine peoples.

I will not support this Media induced rubbish Voice trying to undermine Politics in this country.

John Smith wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 5:13pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 2:19pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 12:03pm: Frank wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:37am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:13am: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:12am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:52am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:19am: Well - why is it a stupid argument other than in Smith's mind and mouth?  ... Because there has NEVER been 100% consensus on any policy by any race of people EVER so why would you expect aborigines to all agree on everything? You're a moron if you need that explained to you Do you support the voice to parliament John? I've yet to see any real reason to vote no. What are your reasons for voting Yes? Can you articulate those, at least? Why not Is it because you are completely lacking in principles John? No, if I was lacking in principles I'd call myself fd and run a site full of bigots

Well - we know you're the biggest bigot from Biggera - who are the others?

Gnads wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 3:06pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 7:05pm: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:05pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 3:59pm: "The Voice" goes some meaningless way in addressing that, but it is a start. ;D Aussie, if Aborigines cannot even agree on whether there should be a voice, how are they ever going to be effectively represented by it? Has it ever occurred to you that they might not be some kind of mindless collective, and that treating them as such is actually part of the problem, not the solution? I am not excluding them from this Referendum.  They all get to vote...yes or no.  Those that oppose it can vote no.  I'll just respond to the wankers who just ignore the important relevance of this thing, people like you. Quote: Would you support a white voice to parliament, which was appointed by the government and which you had no control over, that told the government what you think, on account of you being white? Pretty pointless given that most of the MPs are white and none of them had ancestors who 'owned' this Land we occupied by force. [quote]Those are not principles Aussie, they are meaningless gibberish. Sure Effendi...just because you said so. Bleh.

You being obtuse or just phukkin stupid?

Most MPs are white????

You seriously need your eyes checked.

[highlight]There are 11 Aboriginal Senators & MPs in Parliament.[/highlight]

Per head of population they have more representation than non Aboriginals.

And the non- Aboriginals are not all white either.

Can't believe you ever had a legal background. [/quote]

Is there some part of 'most' you don't understand Train Driver, retired?

Just for the Hell of it...for jollies..name those 11.

This lot?


    Senator Dorinda Cox, Western Australia
    Senator Patrick Dodson, Western Australia
    Senator Jacqui Lambie, Tasmania
    Senator Kerrynne Liddle, South Australia
    Senator the Hon Malarndirri McCarthy, Northern Territory
    Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price, Northern Territory
    Senator Jana Stewart, Victoria
    Senator Lidia Thorpe, Victoria
    The Hon Linda Burney MP, Member for Barton
    Dr Gordon Reid, Member for Robertson
    Ms Marion Scrymgour, Member for Lingiari

John Smith wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 5:11pm:

Gnads wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 3:12pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:13am: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:12am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:52am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:19am: Well - why is it a stupid argument other than in Smith's mind and mouth?  ... Because there has NEVER been 100% consensus on any policy by any race of people EVER so why would you expect aborigines to all agree on everything? You're a moron if you need that explained to you Do you support the voice to parliament John? I've yet to see any real reason to vote no. ;D Yeah well ... maybe you shouldn't have a right to vote if that's how poorly you hold the Constitution & other Australians in regard. Lucky for Australia that morons like you don't get to make that decision

Pot, kettle, black DH.

  ;D

Smith ... calling people names & morons & he hasn't even worked out how to post quotes without it turning into an unintelligible mess ...

just like most of the comments he makes.

This is why his new of many nicknames is '5-Dogs' (because he can't count either).

Aborigines etc already have all the voice they need same as everyone else.

They already have a higher percentage of representation in Parliament than their percentage representation in the community.

They are already enshrined in the constitution as Australians - same as everyone else.

They also have lobby groups, special representative groups with access to government, and over-representation in the press.

They have the support of Labor, the Greens, the majority of Independents, as well as a number of those on the 'right' side of Parliament.

What the actual powers and functions of any Special Voice are intended to be has not begun to be addressed.  The wording is vague, perhaps deliberately so.

Such a voice is racist, discriminatory and exclusionist.

It is not clear if any 'voice' has political voting power in Parliament.

Such a voice body would be an ATSIC or similar that could never be abolished or stood down for corruption etc.

It will achieve nothing that cannot be achieved without it, and at huge and unnecessary cost in money and disturbance of the democratic process

The intent of 'Aboriginal activists' is not to view this as the end result, but as the stepping stone towards the creation of mini-states throughout Australia, all bound by treaty to the Australian Government and funded by the taxpayer and any relevant business wishing to operate there.

It is not simply about 'Aboriginal issues'.  Any claim or demand by one group has direct effects on every member of Australia.  Similar to 'women's issues' and such these do not exist in a vacuum.

Depending on the model, it could mean permanent seats in Parliament for people who are only voted on by that one group (or groups) – those claiming Aboriginal descent.

To have a separate voice elected only by Aboriginals would mean that the current Aboriginal elected representatives are superfluous and should be stood down.

The claim to have 'never ceded sovereignty', means that elected Aborigines are ineligible to be chosen or to sit in Parliament.

44. Any person who –

(i.) Is under any acknowledgement of allegiance, obedience, or adherence to a foreign power, or is a subject or a citizen or entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or citizen of a foreign power:

shall be incapable of being chosen or of sitting as a senator or a member of the House of Representatives.

Gnads wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 7:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 5:11pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 3:12pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:13am: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:12am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:52am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:19am: Well - why is it a stupid argument other than in Smith's mind and mouth?  ... Because there has NEVER been 100% consensus on any policy by any race of people EVER so why would you expect aborigines to all agree on everything? You're a moron if you need that explained to you Do you support the voice to parliament John? I've yet to see any real reason to vote no. ;D Yeah well ... maybe you shouldn't have a right to vote if that's how poorly you hold the Constitution & other Australians in regard. Lucky for Australia that morons like you don't get to make that decision Pot, kettle, black DH.

That doesnt even make sense you idiot.

Could've sworn there was some Indian or Paki sheila in there somewhere... not a dual citizen is she?

No person should be able to take a seat in Parliament unless they were born here and have lived an exemplary life.  Dual citizens cannot sit in Parliament and should not therefore be permitted to vote on constitutional issues that determine the operation of Parliament.

Simple really.....

Gnads wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 7:46pm:

;D Smith ... calling people names & morons & he hasn't even worked out how to post quotes without it turning into an unintelligible mess ... just like most of the comments he makes.

;D ;D

You're not sounding desperate.......much. ;D

John Smith wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 7:58pm:

Gnads wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 7:46pm:   ;D Smith ... calling people names & morons & he hasn't even worked out how to post quotes without it turning into an unintelligible mess ... just like most of the comments he makes. ;D ;D You're not sounding desperate.......much. ;D

DILIGAF about how you think I sound?

Gnads wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 7:58pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 7:46pm:   ;D Smith ... calling people names & morons & he hasn't even worked out how to post quotes without it turning into an unintelligible mess ... just like most of the comments he makes. ;D ;D You're not sounding desperate.......much. ;D DILIGAF about how you think I sound?

Obviously you do or you wouldn't bother asking   :D

John Smith wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 8:04pm:

Gnads wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:02pm: [quote author=John_Smith link=1681005359/76#76 date=1681120702][quote author=Gnads link=1681005359/71#71 date=1681119998]  ;D Smith ... calling people names & morons & he hasn't even worked out how to post quotes without it turning into an unintelligible mess ...just like most of the comments he makes.[/quote ;D ;D You're not sounding desperate.......much. ;D DILIGAF about how you think I sound? [/quote Obviously you do or you wouldn't bother asking   :D

Just adding my little rumble to the tumble here.... now come on, boys - I don't hear no  singing!  Let's get this DILLIGAFFed quote thing as long as NOW.....

John Smith wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 5:13pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 2:19pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 12:03pm: Frank wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:37am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:13am: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:12am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:52am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:19am: Well - why is it a stupid argument other than in Smith's mind and mouth?  ... Because there has NEVER been 100% consensus on any policy by any race of people EVER so why would you expect aborigines to all agree on everything? You're a moron if you need that explained to you Do you support the voice to parliament John? I've yet to see any real reason to vote no. What are your reasons for voting Yes? Can you articulate those, at least? Why not Is it because you are completely lacking in principles John? No, if I was lacking in principles I'd call myself fd and run a site full of bigots

If 'yes' is OK because 'why not' then what is wrong with No for 'why not', eyewateringly thick as mince mong?
You forgot to explain.

Gnads wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 2:52pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 2:49pm: Everything she posts is a load of bollocks. That's "he" ..... it was TheGreatDiv

The vast majority of the little pinks are teenage girls.

John Smith wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 5:11pm:

Gnads wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 3:12pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:13am: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:12am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:52am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:19am: Well - why is it a stupid argument other than in Smith's mind and mouth?  ... Because there has NEVER been 100% consensus on any policy by any race of people EVER so why would you expect aborigines to all agree on everything? You're a moron if you need that explained to you Do you support the voice to parliament John? I've yet to see any real reason to vote no. ;D Yeah well ... maybe you shouldn't have a right to vote if that's how poorly you hold the Constitution & other Australians in regard. Lucky for Australia that morons like you don't get to make that decision

What decision have you made? How exactly do you decide which way to vote if you are completely lacking in principles?

Aussie wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 7:34pm:

Gnads wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 3:06pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 7:05pm: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:05pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 3:59pm: "The Voice" goes some meaningless way in addressing that, but it is a start. ;D Aussie, if Aborigines cannot even agree on whether there should be a voice, how are they ever going to be effectively represented by it? Has it ever occurred to you that they might not be some kind of mindless collective, and that treating them as such is actually part of the problem, not the solution? I am not excluding them from this Referendum.  They all get to vote...yes or no.  Those that oppose it can vote no.  I'll just respond to the wankers who just ignore the important relevance of this thing, people like you. Quote: Would you support a white voice to parliament, which was appointed by the government and which you had no control over, that told the government what you think, on account of you being white? Pretty pointless given that most of the MPs are white and none of them had ancestors who 'owned' this Land we occupied by force. [quote]Those are not principles Aussie, they are meaningless gibberish. Sure Effendi...just because you said so. Bleh. You being obtuse or just phukkin stupid? Most MPs are white???? You seriously need your eyes checked. [highlight]There are 11 Aboriginal Senators & MPs in Parliament.[/highlight] Per head of population they have more representation than non Aboriginals. And the non- Aboriginals are not all white either. Can't believe you ever had a legal background.

Is there some part of 'most' you don't understand Train Driver, retired?

Just for the Hell of it...for jollies..name those 11.

This lot?


    Senator Dorinda Cox, Western Australia
    Senator Patrick Dodson, Western Australia
    Senator Jacqui Lambie, Tasmania
    Senator Kerrynne Liddle, South Australia
    Senator the Hon Malarndirri McCarthy, Northern Territory
    Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price, Northern Territory
    Senator Jana Stewart, Victoria
    Senator Lidia Thorpe, Victoria
    The Hon Linda Burney MP, Member for Barton
    Dr Gordon Reid, Member for Robertson
    Ms Marion Scrymgour, Member for Lingiari

[/quote]

So what was your point in saying "most" are white?

Why ask me to name them .... then go & do it yourself?

So that "lot".... are they or are they not Aboriginal Senators & MPs in our Parliamentary system?

Per population Aboriginals have more than enough representation.

We also have incumbent politicians of Chinese, Pakistani, Afghani, Singaporean, Sri Lankan, Vietnamese, Korean, Bengali, Laotian, Punjabi, Japanese, Cambodian descent.

And there's more than one of each in several of those demographics.

BTW Train Drivers... retired or not ... aren't shysters. I was earning $115k a year honestly when I retired.....what does a shyster earn? ;D

John Smith wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 7:56pm:

Gnads wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 7:44pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 5:11pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 3:12pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:13am: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:12am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:52am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:19am: Well - why is it a stupid argument other than in Smith's mind and mouth?  ... Because there has NEVER been 100% consensus on any policy by any race of people EVER so why would you expect aborigines to all agree on everything? You're a moron if you need that explained to you Do you support the voice to parliament John? I've yet to see any real reason to vote no. ;D Yeah well ... maybe you shouldn't have a right to vote if that's how poorly you hold the Constitution & other Australians in regard. Lucky for Australia that morons like you don't get to make that decision Pot, kettle, black DH. That doesnt even make sense you idiot.

That's just how thick you are .... it's a common abbreviation for -

"That is the pot calling the kettle black".

;DAnd I had to explain it to you  ;D ;D

Gnads wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 7:59am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 7:56pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 7:44pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 5:11pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 3:12pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:13am: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:12am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:52am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:19am: Well - why is it a stupid argument other than in Smith's mind and mouth?  ... Because there has NEVER been 100% consensus on any policy by any race of people EVER so why would you expect aborigines to all agree on everything? You're a moron if you need that explained to you Do you support the voice to parliament John? I've yet to see any real reason to vote no. ;D Yeah well ... maybe you shouldn't have a right to vote if that's how poorly you hold the Constitution & other Australians in regard. Lucky for Australia that morons like you don't get to make that decision Pot, kettle, black DH. That doesnt even make sense you idiot. That's just how thick you are .... it's a common abbreviation for - "That is the pot calling the kettle black". ;DAnd I had to explain it to you  ;D ;D

Never boiled  the kettle over an open fire.............

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 8:09am:

Gnads wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 7:59am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 7:56pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 7:44pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 5:11pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 3:12pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:13am: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:12am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:52am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:19am: Well - why is it a stupid argument other than in Smith's mind and mouth?  ... Because there has NEVER been 100% consensus on any policy by any race of people EVER so why would you expect aborigines to all agree on everything? You're a moron if you need that explained to you Do you support the voice to parliament John? I've yet to see any real reason to vote no. ;D Yeah well ... maybe you shouldn't have a right to vote if that's how poorly you hold the Constitution & other Australians in regard. Lucky for Australia that morons like you don't get to make that decision Pot, kettle, black DH. That doesnt even make sense you idiot. That's just how thick you are .... it's a common abbreviation for - "That is the pot calling the kettle black". ;DAnd I had to explain it to you  ;D ;D Never boiled  the kettle over an open fire.............

Never done lots of things I'd hazard a guess. ;)

freediver wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 6:32am:

Gnads wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 2:52pm: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 2:49pm: Everything she posts is a load of bollocks. That's "he" ..... it was TheGreatDiv The vast majority of the little pinks are teenage girls.

Full of the milk of human kindness and with infinite knowledge of everything.... then they hit the real world and the fun really begins.  We men are at fault for loving our daughters and treating them like princesses with entitlements... they actually imagine they are the superior species when they go to the Old White Man's university and get a degree in near anything these days when once it was a simple TAFE course for twelve months. and all on special scholarships because they are so oppressed.

Politics of division and policies of exclusion.  Then there's affirmative action where they get first shot at everything and an easy road up, and then imagine themselves to be 'better' at what it is they are artificially promoted to... better at stabbing men in the back in the office and work place that is. More PoDPoe......

Then they marry, create a disaster for their own families and then whine about it for life while the former 'patriarch' lives in a tent or a caravan until he finally restores his life without them ... then they die old and lonely and filled with hatred of men and hatred of the fine Asian ladies who those men get at less than half their age who dote on them .... wonder why ....

It's our fault as men for spoiling our daughters...... we fail to teach them to be part of a TEAM, but to imagine they are all the Stars of the team and can do it all themselves (god - look at the results around you daily) ... and the media reinforces that for them daily... every ad for the armed forces shows sheilas in every job... commanding troops, super pilots, super loadmasters, rescuing families off burning shores (the blokes do all the hard yards, you know), and all the while being shoe-horned into positions they will 99% fail in once the poo hits the fan.  Yardstick?  Who will be turned away from the recruiting offices when The Big One breaks out?  Your inferior sons or your far superior daughters?

Grow up and wake up,. Australia... you are self-destructing in a sea of bullshit.

Gnads wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 7:57am:

Aussie wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 7:34pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 3:06pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 7:05pm: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:05pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 3:59pm: "The Voice" goes some meaningless way in addressing that, but it is a start. ;D Aussie, if Aborigines cannot even agree on whether there should be a voice, how are they ever going to be effectively represented by it? Has it ever occurred to you that they might not be some kind of mindless collective, and that treating them as such is actually part of the problem, not the solution? I am not excluding them from this Referendum.  They all get to vote...yes or no.  Those that oppose it can vote no.  I'll just respond to the wankers who just ignore the important relevance of this thing, people like you. Quote: Would you support a white voice to parliament, which was appointed by the government and which you had no control over, that told the government what you think, on account of you being white? Pretty pointless given that most of the MPs are white and none of them had ancestors who 'owned' this Land we occupied by force. [quote]Those are not principles Aussie, they are meaningless gibberish. Sure Effendi...just because you said so. Bleh. You being obtuse or just phukkin stupid? Most MPs are white???? You seriously need your eyes checked. [highlight]There are 11 Aboriginal Senators & MPs in Parliament.[/highlight] Per head of population they have more representation than non Aboriginals. And the non- Aboriginals are not all white either. Can't believe you ever had a legal background. Is there some part of 'most' you don't understand Train Driver, retired? Just for the Hell of it...for jollies..name those 11. This lot?     Senator Dorinda Cox, Western Australia     Senator Patrick Dodson, Western Australia     Senator Jacqui Lambie, Tasmania     Senator Kerrynne Liddle, South Australia     Senator the Hon Malarndirri McCarthy, Northern Territory     Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price, Northern Territory     Senator Jana Stewart, Victoria     Senator Lidia Thorpe, Victoria     The Hon Linda Burney MP, Member for Barton     Dr Gordon Reid, Member for Robertson     Ms Marion Scrymgour, Member for Lingiari

So what was your point in saying "most" are white?

Why ask me to name them .... then go & do it yourself?

So that "lot".... are they or are they not Aboriginal Senators & MPs in our Parliamentary system?

Per population Aboriginals have more than enough representation.

We also have incumbent politicians of Chinese, Pakistani, Afghani, Singaporean, Sri Lankan, Vietnamese, Korean, Bengali, Laotian, Punjabi, Japanese, Cambodian descent.

And there's more than one of each in several of those demographics.

BTW Train Drivers... retired or not ... aren't shysters. I was earning $115k a year honestly when I retired.....what does a shyster earn? ;D[/quote]

A tad more than train drivers.

Aussie wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 8:46am:

Gnads wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 7:57am: Aussie wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 7:34pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 3:06pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 7:05pm: freediver wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 6:05pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 9th, 2023 at 3:59pm: "The Voice" goes some meaningless way in addressing that, but it is a start. ;D Aussie, if Aborigines cannot even agree on whether there should be a voice, how are they ever going to be effectively represented by it? Has it ever occurred to you that they might not be some kind of mindless collective, and that treating them as such is actually part of the problem, not the solution? I am not excluding them from this Referendum.  They all get to vote...yes or no.  Those that oppose it can vote no.  I'll just respond to the wankers who just ignore the important relevance of this thing, people like you. Quote: Would you support a white voice to parliament, which was appointed by the government and which you had no control over, that told the government what you think, on account of you being white? Pretty pointless given that most of the MPs are white and none of them had ancestors who 'owned' this Land we occupied by force. [quote]Those are not principles Aussie, they are meaningless gibberish. Sure Effendi...just because you said so. Bleh. You being obtuse or just phukkin stupid? Most MPs are white???? You seriously need your eyes checked. [highlight]There are 11 Aboriginal Senators & MPs in Parliament.[/highlight] Per head of population they have more representation than non Aboriginals. And the non- Aboriginals are not all white either. Can't believe you ever had a legal background. Is there some part of 'most' you don't understand Train Driver, retired? Just for the Hell of it...for jollies..name those 11. This lot?     Senator Dorinda Cox, Western Australia     Senator Patrick Dodson, Western Australia     Senator Jacqui Lambie, Tasmania     Senator Kerrynne Liddle, South Australia     Senator the Hon Malarndirri McCarthy, Northern Territory     Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price, Northern Territory     Senator Jana Stewart, Victoria     Senator Lidia Thorpe, Victoria     The Hon Linda Burney MP, Member for Barton     Dr Gordon Reid, Member for Robertson     Ms Marion Scrymgour, Member for Lingiari So what was your point in saying "most" are white? Why ask me to name them .... then go & do it yourself? So that "lot".... are they or are they not Aboriginal Senators & MPs in our Parliamentary system? Per population Aboriginals have more than enough representation. We also have incumbent politicians of Chinese, Pakistani, Afghani, Singaporean, Sri Lankan, Vietnamese, Korean, Bengali, Laotian, Punjabi, Japanese, Cambodian descent. And there's more than one of each in several of those demographics. BTW Train Drivers... retired or not ... aren't shysters. I was earning $115k a year honestly when I retired.....what does a shyster earn? ;D

A tad more than train drivers.
[/quote]


Yeah ... & I know why. ::)

Anyway take off your shysters wig & answer the questions posed.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 7:54pm:

Aborigines etc already have all the voice they need same as everyone else.

Correct, so...perhaps what the nation has to do is eradicate entrenched poverty?

Frank wrote on Apr 10^th, 2023 at 9:42pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 5:13pm: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 2:19pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 12:03pm: Frank wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:37am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:13am: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:12am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:52am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:19am: Well - why is it a stupid argument other than in Smith's mind and mouth?  ... Because there has NEVER been 100% consensus on any policy by any race of people EVER so why would you expect aborigines to all agree on everything? You're a moron if you need that explained to you Do you support the voice to parliament John? I've yet to see any real reason to vote no. What are your reasons for voting Yes? Can you articulate those, at least? Why not Is it because you are completely lacking in principles John? No, if I was lacking in principles I'd call myself fd and run a site full of bigots If 'yes' is OK because 'why not' then what is wrong with No for 'why not', eyewateringly thick as mince mong? You forgot to explain.

who said 'why not' is not ok for no ya moron?

Gnads wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 7:59am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 7:56pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 7:44pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 5:11pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 3:12pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:13am: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:12am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:52am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:19am: Well - why is it a stupid argument other than in Smith's mind and mouth?  ... Because there has NEVER been 100% consensus on any policy by any race of people EVER so why would you expect aborigines to all agree on everything? You're a moron if you need that explained to you Do you support the voice to parliament John? I've yet to see any real reason to vote no. ;D Yeah well ... maybe you shouldn't have a right to vote if that's how poorly you hold the Constitution & other Australians in regard. Lucky for Australia that morons like you don't get to make that decision Pot, kettle, black DH. That doesnt even make sense you idiot. That's just how thick you are .... it's a common abbreviation for - "That is the pot calling the kettle black". ;DAnd I had to explain it to you  ;D ;D

no sh1t sherlock ... it doesn't make sense in the context you used it you frken cretin. I have never said you should not have a right to vote.

freediver wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 6:34am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 5:11pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 3:12pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:13am: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:12am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:52am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:19am: Well - why is it a stupid argument other than in Smith's mind and mouth?  ... Because there has NEVER been 100% consensus on any policy by any race of people EVER so why would you expect aborigines to all agree on everything? You're a moron if you need that explained to you Do you support the voice to parliament John? I've yet to see any real reason to vote no. ;D Yeah well ... maybe you shouldn't have a right to vote if that's how poorly you hold the Constitution & other Australians in regard. Lucky for Australia that morons like you don't get to make that decision What decision have you made? How exactly do you decide which way to vote if you are completely lacking in principles?

I don't know, tell me,  how does one vote when lacking in principles?

Her latest:-

"The divisive Voice just goes from bad to worse.

Last year, before many Australians had even heard of Labor’s referendum, PM Anthony Albanese lobbed up to a press conference with US basketballer Shaquille O’Neal.

Why?

Because apparently Shaq – in Australia to promote a gambling company – is a big supporter of the divisive Voice.

Indigenous Australians Minister Linda Burney tried to explain the point of having a former basketballer from the US arguing why Australians should vote to change their Constitution.

“It’s not easy in Australia — we all know that — and I think having Shaquille O’Neal as part of a campaign is important,” she said.

Albo said Shaq had agreed “to do some vids and to have a chat” about the divisive Voice.

Whatever.

Shaquille O’Neal might be a full bottle on slam dunks, but I reckon he knows stuff all about the issues affecting Aboriginal and Torres Strait Australians.

Even less about the complexities of your Constitution.

But the PM reckons getting former sportsmen on board to peddle the Voice is a great idea to convince Australians to enshrine racial division in the Constitution.

On the weekend, he said he had been talking to retired football players about speaking out in support of his campaign.

These so-called ‘Voice Ambassadors’ will travel the nation trying to justify the unjustifiable.

We know the administrators who run the major football codes are all on board.

We know the big banks, the ABC, the inner-city elites are all backing the divisive Voice.

And none of them have any idea about what is really going on in Alice Springs, where I come from.

What makes an elite football player any different?

The truth is, it’s just another trick for the pro-Voice activists to get their way.

Just like their claim that this is about “constitutional recognition”, just like the fact Albo won’t show you the laws that govern the Voice until AFTER you vote on it…

They’re desperate to deface your Constitution with their divisive politics.

The truth is that the Voice isn’t about you.

It’s about handing MORE power to the elites who already have too much of a say on everything.

But if they think Australians will vote for their bad idea just because a retired footballer does, they have another thing coming."

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 8:22am:

freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 6:32am: Gnads wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 2:52pm: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 2:49pm: Everything she posts is a load of bollocks. That's "he" ..... it was TheGreatDiv The vast majority of the little pinks are teenage girls. Full of the milk of human kindness and with infinite knowledge of everything.... then they hit the real world and the fun really begins.  We men are at fault for loving our daughters and treating them like princesses with entitlements... they actually imagine they are the superior species when they go to the Old White Man's university and get a degree in near anything these days when once it was a simple TAFE course for twelve months. and all on special scholarships because they are so oppressed. Politics of division and policies of exclusion.  Then there's affirmative action where they get first shot at everything and an easy road up, and then imagine themselves to be 'better' at what it is they are artificially promoted to... better at stabbing men in the back in the office and work place that is. More PoDPoe...... Then they marry, create a disaster for their own families and then whine about it for life while the former 'patriarch' lives in a tent or a caravan until he finally restores his life without them ... then they die old and lonely and filled with hatred of men and hatred of the fine Asian ladies who those men get at less than half their age who dote on them .... wonder why .... It's our fault as men for spoiling our daughters...... we fail to teach them to be part of a TEAM, but to imagine they are all the Stars of the team and can do it all themselves (god - look at the results around you daily) ... and the media reinforces that for them daily... every ad for the armed forces shows sheilas in every job... commanding troops, super pilots, super loadmasters, rescuing families off burning shores (the blokes do all the hard yards, you know), and all the while being shoe-horned into positions they will 99% fail in once the poo hits the fan.  Yardstick?  Who will be turned away from the recruiting offices when The Big One breaks out?  Your inferior sons or your far superior daughters? Grow up and wake up,. Australia... you are self-destructing in a sea of bullshit.

Well graps, I reckon your little 'anti-women's rights' crusade has far less to do with the gap than my JG crusade....

Just sayin'....

Not surprisingly, the Liberal Party is now coming apart at the seams before our very eyes...because they don't understand what causes - and entrenches - poverty.

The roots of the collapse or near-collapse of the West begin with the delusions of feminism and the very real harm it has wrought on the cultures and civilisations of the west....

Have you yet to notice that the tactics employed by every dissident group to get its way with stupid politicians was trialed by the feminists first?  The victimhood, the endless complaining, making the workplace a hostile area for men, playing the lawfare game and the sympathy game to the max, constantly using definition and mission creep to establish their lines further and further into the workplace, the home, politics and society at large, never being content with equality, but always using any gain as the stepping stone for the next demands and the next distortions of reality to suit their agenda ....

Some of you are so slow... to change the West back and Make The West Great Again you need to strike at the root cause and unravel what feminism has wrought and re-create equality and equal treatment between the two major groups in society - Men and Women  ....... then slice and dice the rest one at a time....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 9:39pm:

The roots of the collapse or near-collapse of the West begin with the delusions of feminism and the very real harm it has wrought on the cultures and civilisations of the west....

Do you at least  agree that women had to fight for the right to vote  - ie, for a right which IS theirs?

(Yet, I see advantages in a consensus meritocracy, another story....)

John Smith wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 4:15pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 9:42pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 5:13pm: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 2:19pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 12:03pm: Frank wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:37am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:13am: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:12am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:52am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:19am: Well - why is it a stupid argument other than in Smith's mind and mouth?  ... Because there has NEVER been 100% consensus on any policy by any race of people EVER so why would you expect aborigines to all agree on everything? You're a moron if you need that explained to you Do you support the voice to parliament John? I've yet to see any real reason to vote no. What are your reasons for voting Yes? Can you articulate those, at least? Why not Is it because you are completely lacking in principles John? No, if I was lacking in principles I'd call myself fd and run a site full of bigots If 'yes' is OK because 'why not' then what is wrong with No for 'why not', eyewateringly thick as mince mong? You forgot to explain. who said 'why not' is not ok for no ya moron?

Yet you ridicule and name call those who vote no but have zero ability to intelligently explain why that vote is any worse than your yes vote, thick as mince mindless arse'ole.

I don't think he even has a position on the issue. He doesn't think, he just posts.

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 10:23pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 9:39pm: The roots of the collapse or near-collapse of the West begin with the delusions of feminism and the very real harm it has wrought on the cultures and civilisations of the west.... Do you at least  agree that women had to fight for the right to vote  - ie, for a right which IS theirs? (Yet, I see advantages in a consensus meritocracy, another story....)

No - not here they didn't... they didn't 'fight' for it - they persevered, and in reality the deeds of the suffragettes actually held back women's suffrage in most countries.

ONLY in Nu Zulland and Australia was the vote given freely to women at the first available opportunity - NZ back in the lat 1800's and Australian MEN voted it in at  the very first opportunity after Universal Male Suffrage became law and they go a vote on female suffrage.

We here pride ourselves on being a forward looking nation of real men, who have always supported right from wrong... now we are trash or just a meal ticket in our own country but are still the ones called upon to die for it.

Forget your neoconservative economic stuff - there are far more grave social issues to be resolved to re-create of Australia what was once a country where all could prosper and have a 'fair go' - a phrase hijacked by the Albanists to suit their further destruction of primarily male rights and white rights to equal treatment ... it is no secret that all the jerks and twerks here who are fighting their 'good cause' for some 'equality - ALL choose to wage war on Old White Men - the saviours and builders of the very institutions and country they live in.. and the very same heavy lifters who your kind love to label as 'neo-conservative' and accuse of having 'stolen your birthrights'.....

Why would you think that is the case?

Ta Hell wit ya then!

John Smith wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 4:17pm:

Gnads wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 7:59am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 7:56pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 7:44pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 5:11pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 3:12pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:13am: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:12am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:52am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:19am: Well - why is it a stupid argument other than in Smith's mind and mouth?  ... Because there has NEVER been 100% consensus on any policy by any race of people EVER so why would you expect aborigines to all agree on everything? You're a moron if you need that explained to you Do you support the voice to parliament John? I've yet to see any real reason to vote no. ;D Yeah well ... maybe you shouldn't have a right to vote if that's how poorly you hold the Constitution & other Australians in regard. Lucky for Australia that morons like you don't get to make that decision Pot, kettle, black DH. That doesnt even make sense you idiot. That's just how thick you are .... it's a common abbreviation for - "That is the pot calling the kettle black". ;DAnd I had to explain it to you  ;D ;D no sh1t sherlock ... it doesn't make sense in the context you used it you frken cretin. I have never said you should not have a right to vote.

Yeah it does ya dumb phuk

as I said it's the common abbreviation

& the context was in regard you calling me a moron ..... you moron.

Pot, kettle, black.

English comprehension is obviously not your strong suit ey Guido?

John Smith wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 4:19pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 6:34am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 5:11pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 3:12pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:13am: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:12am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:52am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:19am: Well - why is it a stupid argument other than in Smith's mind and mouth?  ... Because there has NEVER been 100% consensus on any policy by any race of people EVER so why would you expect aborigines to all agree on everything? You're a moron if you need that explained to you Do you support the voice to parliament John? I've yet to see any real reason to vote no. ;D Yeah well ... maybe you shouldn't have a right to vote if that's how poorly you hold the Constitution & other Australians in regard. Lucky for Australia that morons like you don't get to make that decision What decision have you made? How exactly do you decide which way to vote if you are completely lacking in principles? I don't know, tell me,  how does one vote when lacking in principles?

You're the perfect example.

No regard for the Constitution or other Australians

except your SJW wank concerns for a minority group you know phukk all about.

Just a glitter strip decafe soy latte sipping wanker.

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 9:19pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 8:22am: freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 6:32am: Gnads wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 2:52pm: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 2:49pm: Everything she posts is a load of bollocks. That's "he" ..... it was TheGreatDiv The vast majority of the little pinks are teenage girls. Full of the milk of human kindness and with infinite knowledge of everything.... then they hit the real world and the fun really begins.  We men are at fault for loving our daughters and treating them like princesses with entitlements... they actually imagine they are the superior species when they go to the Old White Man's university and get a degree in near anything these days when once it was a simple TAFE course for twelve months. and all on special scholarships because they are so oppressed. Politics of division and policies of exclusion.  Then there's affirmative action where they get first shot at everything and an easy road up, and then imagine themselves to be 'better' at what it is they are artificially promoted to... better at stabbing men in the back in the office and work place that is. More PoDPoe...... Then they marry, create a disaster for their own families and then whine about it for life while the former 'patriarch' lives in a tent or a caravan until he finally restores his life without them ... then they die old and lonely and filled with hatred of men and hatred of the fine Asian ladies who those men get at less than half their age who dote on them .... wonder why .... It's our fault as men for spoiling our daughters...... we fail to teach them to be part of a TEAM, but to imagine they are all the Stars of the team and can do it all themselves (god - look at the results around you daily) ... and the media reinforces that for them daily... every ad for the armed forces shows sheilas in every job... commanding troops, super pilots, super loadmasters, rescuing families off burning shores (the blokes do all the hard yards, you know), and all the while being shoe-horned into positions they will 99% fail in once the poo hits the fan.  Yardstick?  Who will be turned away from the recruiting offices when The Big One breaks out?  Your inferior sons or your far superior daughters? Grow up and wake up,. Australia... you are self-destructing in a sea of bullshit. Well graps, I reckon your little 'anti-women's rights' crusade has far less to do with the gap than my JG crusade.... Just sayin'.... Not surprisingly, the Liberal Party is now coming apart at the seams before our very eyes...because they don't understand what causes - and entrenches - poverty.

I'd shut the phuk up about crusading womens rights if I were you because now.......

in sports ..... the best women are men.

in womens beauty pageants .. the best women are men.

So who really are undermining all the progress biological women have made in the battle for equal rights?

That's right...... MEN ..... who dress up & believe they're women.

And piss weak, left wing softcock men like you allow it to happen unchallenged as if these deluded bastards have that right.

Gnads wrote on Apr 15^th, 2023 at 6:51pm:

I'd shut the phuk up about crusading womens rights if I were you because now....... in sports ..... the best women are men. in womens beauty pageants .. the best women are men. So who really are undermining all the progress biological women have made in the battle for equal rights? That's right...... MEN ..... who dress up & believe they're women. And piss weak, left wing softcock men like you allow it to happen unchallenged as if these deluded bastards have that right.

We could look on this as simple justice.... the feminists trampled all over the West that way and left it a social and economic ruin - but their tactics and strategy of sucking up to and whining to the Old White Men with power worked for them while ranting and jumping up and down in the streets about their 'rights' and pushing their way into men's spaces........ now these half-men monsters are pushing their way into their spaces and are using the same tactics and strategy to get what they want, most of it from women...

We men, after all we've endured in the workplace and home for decades now - should be laughing until our sides hurt at that.... but you know what they say about the hardest of times...... that's when the men for the occasion stand up to be counted..... so here we are actually defending the right of women to their own spaces, after they raped the right of men to men's clubs etc without any equal right of men to access women's spaces.

Now these half-men commandos are leading the way - and instead of supporting them, we real men are standing by women as we've always done - mostly to our direst detriment.

Without we real men none of those women would have gotten anywhere at all..... still be scullery maids at home or in a hotel somewhere.  Time for some real gratitude back for what we've given them for so long now, the right to use every aspect of society for getting ahead without interference and in safe spaces while under the protection of men defending the country.

These are the only women they fear in battle:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd0M1IBwpyM

Frank wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 10:31pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 4:15pm: Frank wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 9:42pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 5:13pm: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 2:19pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 12:03pm: Frank wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:37am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:13am: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:12am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:52am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:19am: Well - why is it a stupid argument other than in Smith's mind and mouth?  ... Because there has NEVER been 100% consensus on any policy by any race of people EVER so why would you expect aborigines to all agree on everything? You're a moron if you need that explained to you Do you support the voice to parliament John? I've yet to see any real reason to vote no. What are your reasons for voting Yes? Can you articulate those, at least? Why not Is it because you are completely lacking in principles John? No, if I was lacking in principles I'd call myself fd and run a site full of bigots If 'yes' is OK because 'why not' then what is wrong with No for 'why not', eyewateringly thick as mince mong? You forgot to explain. who said 'why not' is not ok for no ya moron? Yet you ridicule and name call those who vote no but have zero ability to intelligently explain why that vote is any worse than your yes vote, thick as mince mindless arse'ole.

So you make up a claim,  get called on it and you decide that your best recourse is to make up another claim? ;D ;D


I just ridicule you. And it's not for no reason ya dumbass

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2023 at 7:00pm:

I don't think he even has a position on the issue. He doesn't think, he just posts.

Not true.  My position on you being a moron is firm and common knowledge.

Gnads wrote on Apr 15^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 4:19pm: freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 6:34am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 5:11pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 3:12pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:13am: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:12am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:52am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:19am: Well - why is it a stupid argument other than in Smith's mind and mouth?  ... Because there has NEVER been 100% consensus on any policy by any race of people EVER so why would you expect aborigines to all agree on everything? You're a moron if you need that explained to you Do you support the voice to parliament John? I've yet to see any real reason to vote no. ;D Yeah well ... maybe you shouldn't have a right to vote if that's how poorly you hold the Constitution & other Australians in regard. Lucky for Australia that morons like you don't get to make that decision What decision have you made? How exactly do you decide which way to vote if you are completely lacking in principles? I don't know, tell me,  how does one vote when lacking in principles? You're the perfect example. No regard for the Constitution or other Australians except your SJW wank concerns for a minority group you know phukk all about. Just a glitter strip decafe soy latte sipping wanker.

Don't cry dumbarse,  you barely qualify as 'other Australians ' anyway   

Now,  i realise that you often make up crap since you and facts are never even on the same planet at the same time,  but I've never had anything decaf or soy so keep trying ya moron :D

Gnads wrote on Apr 15^th, 2023 at 6:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 4:17pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 7:59am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 7:56pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 7:44pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 5:11pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 3:12pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:13am: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:12am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:52am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:19am: Well - why is it a stupid argument other than in Smith's mind and mouth?  ... Because there has NEVER been 100% consensus on any policy by any race of people EVER so why would you expect aborigines to all agree on everything? You're a moron if you need that explained to you Do you support the voice to parliament John? I've yet to see any real reason to vote no. ;D Yeah well ... maybe you shouldn't have a right to vote if that's how poorly you hold the Constitution & other Australians in regard. Lucky for Australia that morons like you don't get to make that decision Pot, kettle, black DH. That doesnt even make sense you idiot. That's just how thick you are .... it's a common abbreviation for - "That is the pot calling the kettle black". ;DAnd I had to explain it to you  ;D ;D no sh1t sherlock ... it doesn't make sense in the context you used it you frken cretin. I have never said you should not have a right to vote. Yeah it does ya dumb phuk as I said it's the common abbreviation & the context was in regard you calling me a moron ..... you moron. Pot, kettle, black. English comprehension is obviously not your strong suit ey Guido?

English comprehension requires one to use a full sentence or statement for context, not one word plucked out at random.  :D

You really are a moron you know that  ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on Apr 15^th, 2023 at 8:28pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2023 at 7:00pm: I don't think he even has a position on the issue. He doesn't think, he just posts. Not true.  My position on you being a moron is firm and common knowledge.

John has very strong feelings about his butthurt. But they cloud his mind when it comes to questions like the upcoming referendum. So he doesn't think, he just posts.

freediver wrote on Apr 15^th, 2023 at 8:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 15th, 2023 at 8:28pm: freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2023 at 7:00pm: I don't think he even has a position on the issue. He doesn't think, he just posts. Not true.  My position on you being a moron is firm and common knowledge. John has very strong feelings about his butthurt. But they cloud his mind when it comes to questions like the upcoming referendum. So he doesn't think, he just posts.

Why would I be butthurt? You're irrelevant.  I toy with you for my  amusement.   :D

John Smith wrote on Apr 15^th, 2023 at 9:23pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 15th, 2023 at 8:56pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 15th, 2023 at 8:28pm: freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2023 at 7:00pm: I don't think he even has a position on the issue. He doesn't think, he just posts. Not true.  My position on you being a moron is firm and common knowledge. John has very strong feelings about his butthurt. But they cloud his mind when it comes to questions like the upcoming referendum. So he doesn't think, he just posts. Why would I be butthurt? You're irrelevant.  I toy with you for my  amusement.   :D

PLEASE!  Leave your peccadilloes out of this discussion ....

John Smith wrote on Apr 15^th, 2023 at 9:23pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 15th, 2023 at 8:56pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 15th, 2023 at 8:28pm: freediver wrote on Apr 14th, 2023 at 7:00pm: I don't think he even has a position on the issue. He doesn't think, he just posts. Not true.  My position on you being a moron is firm and common knowledge. John has very strong feelings about his butthurt. But they cloud his mind when it comes to questions like the upcoming referendum. So he doesn't think, he just posts. Why would I be butthurt? You're irrelevant.  I toy with you for my  amusement.   :D

Because you used to be able to comment on political issues, but you can't any more because everyone always makes fun of your silly ideas. So now you just blurt out the occasional insult like a sullen teenager.

John Smith wrote on Apr 15^th, 2023 at 8:35pm:

Gnads wrote on Apr 15th, 2023 at 6:44pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 4:19pm: freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2023 at 6:34am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 5:11pm: Gnads wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 3:12pm: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:13am: freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 11:12am: John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 10:52am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10th, 2023 at 8:19am: Well - why is it a stupid argument other than in Smith's mind and mouth?  ... Because there has NEVER been 100% consensus on any policy by any race of people EVER so why would you expect aborigines to all agree on everything? You're a moron if you need that explained to you Do you support the voice to parliament John? I've yet to see any real reason to vote no. ;D Yeah well ... maybe you shouldn't have a right to vote if that's how poorly you hold the Constitution & other Australians in regard. Lucky for Australia that morons like you don't get to make that decision What decision have you made? How exactly do you decide which way to vote if you are completely lacking in principles? I don't know, tell me,  how does one vote when lacking in principles? You're the perfect example. No regard for the Constitution or other Australians except your SJW wank concerns for a minority group you know phukk all about. Just a glitter strip decafe soy latte sipping wanker. Don't cry dumbarse,  you barely qualify as 'other Australians ' anyway    Now,  i realise that you often make up crap since you and facts are never even on the same planet at the same time,  but I've never had anything decaf or soy so keep trying ya moron :D

How's that? Been here longer than you - family came here in the 1850's .... yours?

You haven't posted a fact in your life.

re: soy & decafe latte wankers... you fit the bill.