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Gunman Kills Five People in Texas Home, Authorities Say Three others were wounded and the gunman remained at large, officials said. The attack on Friday night started after the man was asked to stop shooting in his yard, the authorities said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/29/us/shooting-texas-san-jacinto.html

Yeah we need MORE GUNS in America. What bullshit!

Why do they allow effing Mexicans to enter the United States?
Don't they know that most of them are criminals?
Round them up by the millions and
send them back to Mexico.


https://nypost.com/2023/04/29/5-dead-in-texas-shooting-armed-suspect-with-ar-15-at-large/


Migrant on migrant massacre:
5 dead after confronting still-at-large Texas gunman firing AR-15 as baby slept



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By Rich Calder and
MaryAnn Martinez      
April 29, 2023





A drunk man allegedly slaughtered five people in their southeast Texas home after one of them asked him to stop shooting his rifle outside because a baby was trying to sleep, authorities said.

Authorities identified the killer as a Mexican national, and his victims — who were all shot in the head, execution-style — as Hondurans.

The bloodshed took place in  Cleveland, Tex., just 45 miles outside Houston, police said.   

The suspect, Francisco Oropeza, 39, went on his shooting spree just before midnight Saturday, after one of the Mexican native’s alleged victims asked him to stop firing his rifle because a baby in the house was trying to sleep, San Jacinto County Sheriff Greg Capers said.

A total of 10 people were inside the home at the time of the shooting. The victims ranged in age from 8 to 40 years old.

Witnesses told authorities Oropeza, who lives next door to the victims, had been guzzling booze and shooting rounds in his backyard. His immigration status remained unknown Saturday.


Police say Oropeza walked up to his neighbor’s home and began firing an AR-15-style .223 caliber rifle.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 30^th, 2023 at 7:46am:

one of them asked him to stop shooting his rifle

That's proof they have no right to be American. Panther shoots and votes.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/29/us/cleveland-texas-shooting/index.html


More than 170 mass shootings in the US this year


Authorities had received previous reports about the suspect firing a rifle in his yard.


There have been at least 174 mass shootings in the US so far this year, according to the Gun Violence Archive. Both CNN and the archive define a “mass shooting” as a shooting that injured or killed four or more people, not including the shooter.

“It’s not just at banks, schools, supermarkets, or churches where Americans fear becoming victims of a mass shooting,” Kris Brown, president of Brady, a gun violence prevention organization, said in a statement.
UVALDE, TEXAS - JUNE 17: The Robb Elementary School sign is seen covered in flowers and gifts on June 17, 2022 in Uvalde, Texas. Committees have begun inviting testimony from law enforcement authorities, family members and witnesses regarding the mass shooting at Robb Elementary School which killed 19 children and two adults. Because of the quasi-judicial nature of the committee's investigation and pursuant to House, Section 12, witnesses will be examined in executive session. (Photo by Brandon Bell/Getty Images)

The US in 2022 saw highest number of 'active shooter' casualties -- deaths or injuries -- of the past 5 years, FBI report finds

“People in this country are being gunned down with assault weapons in their own home, and that is the horrifying reality we will continue to live under until our norms and policies change.”

There were 10 people inside the home at the time of the shooting, according to the sheriff.

The victims range in age from 8 to about 40, Capers told reporters early Saturday. The 8-year-old victim was pronounced dead at a hospital.

Three people were taken to hospital, and two were evaluated at the scene and released, according to authorities.

The victims’ identities are unknown. The sheriff said the victims are from Honduras, and some had arrived at the home from Houston in recent days.

Capers identified the suspect as 38-year-old Francisco Oropeza. Authorities have a copy of the suspect’s consulate card and are looking for him.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 30^th, 2023 at 8:09am:

Authorities had received previous reports about the suspect firing a rifle in his yard.

Authorities? The tyrants? It was up to the citizens to shoot it out. 

chimera wrote on Apr 30^th, 2023 at 8:16am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 8:09am: Authorities had received previous reports about the suspect firing a rifle in his yard. Authorities? The tyrants? It was up to the citizens to shoot it out.

They knew he was a nutcase and did nothing.

An AR-15-style rifle is a lightweight semi-automatic rifle but the Federal Assault Weapons Ban restricted sales.  After the term 'modern sporting rifles' was coined by the US National Shooting Sports Foundation, it was quickly adopted and promoted as "America's rifle" by the National Rifle Association. It's the gun to defeat the Feds, cut the kids and ambush Americans.

chimera wrote on Apr 30^th, 2023 at 8:34am:

An AR-15-style rifle is a lightweight semi-automatic rifle but the Federal Assault Weapons Ban restricted sales.  After the term 'modern sporting rifles' was coined by the US National Shooting Sports Foundation, it was quickly adopted and promoted as "America's rifle" by the National Rifle Association. It's the gun to defeat the Feds, cut the kids and ambush Americans.

The AR-15 is a high velocity, military style, assault weapon.

It's obviously time to rewrite the US 2nd Amendment:

"An unregulated civilian population, being necessary to the
security of a free State, the compulsory possession of at least
three or more firearms by the people must be legally enforced".

Something like this would decrease the carnage.  Or would it?

—I'm more than certain Panther would agree.     ::)

'Police departments that once deferred to SWAT teams wielding military-style rifles for active-shooter situations have in recent years started equipping the rank and file with AR-15s'.

This forces American citizens up into higher calibre, automatic sports equipment. This may be M2HB .50 heavy machine guns for  community recreation.
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/10/15/gun-review-browning-m2hb-50-caliber/

Bobby. wrote on Apr 30^th, 2023 at 8:19am:

chimera wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 8:16am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 8:09am: Authorities had received previous reports about the suspect firing a rifle in his yard. Authorities? The tyrants? It was up to the citizens to shoot it out.  They knew he was a nutcase and did nothing.

Trump allowed people with mental illnesses to purchase guns....Why would Trump do this Bobby???


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President Donald Trump quietly signed a bill into law Tuesday rolling back an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illnesses to purchase a gun. The rule, which was finalized in December, added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database. Had the rule fully taken effect, the Obama administration predicted it would have added about 75,000 names to that database. President Barack Obama recommended the now-nullified regulation in a 2013 memo following the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, which left 20 first graders and six others dead. The measure sought to block some people with severe mental health problems from buying guns. The original rule was hotly contested by gun rights advocates who said it infringed on Americans’ Second Amendment rights. Gun control advocates, however, praised the rule for curbing the availability of firearms to those who may not use them with the right intentions. Both the House and Senate last week passed the new bill, H.J. Res 40, revoking the Obama-era regulation. Trump signed the bill into law without a photo op or fanfare. The president welcomed cameras into the oval office Tuesday for the signing of other executive orders and bills. News that the president signed the bill was tucked at the bottom of a White House email alerting press to other legislation signed by the president. The National Rifle Association “applauded” Trump’s action. Chris Cox, NRA-ILA executive director, said the move “marks a new era for law-abiding gun owners, as we now have a president who respects and supports our arms.”

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221


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Trump Repeals Rule Designed To Block Gun Sales To Certain Mentally Ill People

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/02/28/517799119/trump-repeals-rule-designed-to-block-gun-sales-to-certain-mentally-ill-people


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Thompson Releases Statement on Republicans Refusing to Save Lives

https://mikethompson.house.gov/newsroom/press-releases/thompson-releases-statement-republicans-refusing-save-lives

ECT Explosive Cordite Therapy involves passing a carefully controlled gun recoil through the brain. ECT attracts very mixed responses – its supporters say that it is beneficial and lifesaving, while its critics say that it is invasive and unnecessary.
Modern ECT is a safe procedure, which is used to treat the most severe forms of depression (including psychotic depression) and severe manic symptoms, when the situation is thought to be life-threatening or after all other treatment options have failed. ECT can reduce severe depressive symptoms more effectively than other treatments.

AusGeoff wrote on Apr 30^th, 2023 at 8:55am:

It's obviously time to rewrite the US 2nd Amendment: "An unregulated civilian population, being necessary to the security of a free State, the compulsory possession of at least three or more firearms by the people must be legally enforced". Something like this would decrease the carnage.  Or would it? —I'm more than certain Panther would agree.     ::)

The United States Constitution is the "Law of the Land".

It is the People's Document, & if the American People wish to change their document to better instruct their Government, & to give or take powers to or from their Government, The American People....not the Government.....The American People have the power to do so through the Constitutional Amendment Process as outlined in Article V of the U.S. Constitution.

If you are an American Citizen, & want to change the wording of the Constitution.....or the entire meaning of an existing Amendment.....or create an entirely new Amendment, the way to accomplish that is the Constitutional Amendment Process & present your Amendment to U. S. Congress either individually, or  as a group.

This is the way to accomplish change or modification to the US Constitution.

See below.



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philperth2010 wrote on Apr 30^th, 2023 at 10:56am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 8:19am: chimera wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 8:16am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 8:09am: Authorities had received previous reports about the suspect firing a rifle in his yard. Authorities? The tyrants? It was up to the citizens to shoot it out.  They knew he was a nutcase and did nothing. Trump allowed people with mental illnesses to purchase guns....Why would Trump do this Bobby???

To make sure his cult members are armed, of course.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 30^th, 2023 at 11:37am:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 10:56am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 8:19am: chimera wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 8:16am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 8:09am: Authorities had received previous reports about the suspect firing a rifle in his yard. Authorities? The tyrants? It was up to the citizens to shoot it out.  They knew he was a nutcase and did nothing. Trump allowed people with mental illnesses to purchase guns....Why would Trump do this Bobby??? To make sure his cult members are armed, of course.

its certainly true that an armed society is a polite society.

if you, for example , were stuck in some rural town in missouri and someone asked your opinion of trump, you would probably give a more polite answer then your rabid rantings on line.

so, the presence of guns causes people to be more considerate of their fellow citizens

it brings us together

I have become accustomed to the mass shooting notifications. But, I thought this topic was a reference to an earlier mass shooting.

aquascoot wrote on Apr 30^th, 2023 at 11:51am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 11:37am: philperth2010 wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 10:56am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 8:19am: chimera wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 8:16am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 8:09am: Authorities had received previous reports about the suspect firing a rifle in his yard. Authorities? The tyrants? It was up to the citizens to shoot it out.  They knew he was a nutcase and did nothing. Trump allowed people with mental illnesses to purchase guns....Why would Trump do this Bobby??? To make sure his cult members are armed, of course. its certainly true that an armed society is a polite society. if you, for example , were stuck in some rural town in missouri and someone asked your opinion of trump, you would probably give a more polite answer then your rabid rantings on line. so, the presence of guns causes people to be more considerate of their fellow citizens it brings us together

However if you go to the wrong address....Let your basketball roll onto the neighbors lawn or complain about your neighbor shooting his assault rifle whilst your child is trying to sleep....You can expect to get shot....Sending your children to school or going to work could result in you never coming home....The prevalence of so many firearms in society with little to no regulation which are used for only one thing, killing your fellow Americans does not make society safer or more considerate....The prevalence of firearms allows anyone with a grievence no matter how trivial to use deadly force where reason is not considered an option....Where else in first world nation do you get shot for knoking on the wrong door or turning into the wrong driveway....Republicans have shot down gun reforms including mental health checks and restrictions on assault weapons....An armed society is killing it's children and making it easier to happen....Stupid is forever!!!

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Well now, has everyone got their indignation and their self-righteousness off their chests? There, doesn't that feel better?

issuevoter wrote on Apr 30^th, 2023 at 1:29pm:

Well now, has everyone got their indignation and their self-righteousness off their chests? There, doesn't that feel better?

Not really. I still want the Yanks to amend their gun laws.

Trumpy has a point. The South Americans are a problem, they shoot and rape...
oh. I see. sorry, sorry.

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 30^th, 2023 at 12:15pm:

I have become accustomed to the mass shooting notifications. But, I thought this topic was a reference to an earlier mass shooting.

There's a new one every day.

About 1.6 per day on average at the moment.

aquascoot wrote on Apr 30^th, 2023 at 11:51am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 11:37am: philperth2010 wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 10:56am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 8:19am: chimera wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 8:16am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 8:09am: Authorities had received previous reports about the suspect firing a rifle in his yard. Authorities? The tyrants? It was up to the citizens to shoot it out.  They knew he was a nutcase and did nothing. Trump allowed people with mental illnesses to purchase guns....Why would Trump do this Bobby??? To make sure his cult members are armed, of course. its certainly true that an armed society is a polite society. if you, for example , were stuck in some rural town in missouri and someone asked your opinion of trump, you would probably give a more polite answer then your rabid rantings on line. so, the presence of guns causes people to be more considerate of their fellow citizens it brings us together

I swear you are becoming more and more unhinged as time goes by.

Polite? In a thread about 5 people (including children) being shot dead with an assault rifle in their own home for asking a drunk guy to stop firing rounds so their baby could sleep, you say guns make people more "polite".

And you go even further, "Don't criticise Trump or you'll be killed" ... "politeness"

It beggars belief!

I' quite accustomed to seeing outrageous drivel from you Horseboy but this is lunatic proportion drivel.

Politeness is not a consequence of fear, you fool. It is a consequence of respect.

What the hell is wrong with you?

mothra wrote on Apr 30^th, 2023 at 2:41pm:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 11:51am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 11:37am: philperth2010 wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 10:56am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 8:19am: chimera wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 8:16am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 8:09am: Authorities had received previous reports about the suspect firing a rifle in his yard. Authorities? The tyrants? It was up to the citizens to shoot it out.  They knew he was a nutcase and did nothing. Trump allowed people with mental illnesses to purchase guns....Why would Trump do this Bobby??? To make sure his cult members are armed, of course. its certainly true that an armed society is a polite society. if you, for example , were stuck in some rural town in missouri and someone asked your opinion of trump, you would probably give a more polite answer then your rabid rantings on line. so, the presence of guns causes people to be more considerate of their fellow citizens it brings us together I swear you are becoming more and more unhinged as time goes by. Polite? In a thread about 5 people (including children) being shot dead with an assault rifle in their own home for asking a drunk guy to stop firing rounds so their baby could sleep, you say guns make people more "polite". And you go even further, "Don't criticise Trump or you'll be killed" ... "politeness" It beggars belief! I' quite accustomed to seeing outrageous drivel from you Horseboy but this is lunatic proportion drivel. Politeness is not a consequence of fear, you fool. It is a consequence of respect. What the hell is wrong with you?

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aquascoot wrote on Apr 30^th, 2023 at 11:51am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 11:37am: philperth2010 wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 10:56am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 8:19am: chimera wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 8:16am: Bobby. wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 8:09am: Authorities had received previous reports about the suspect firing a rifle in his yard. Authorities? The tyrants? It was up to the citizens to shoot it out.  They knew he was a nutcase and did nothing. Trump allowed people with mental illnesses to purchase guns....Why would Trump do this Bobby??? To make sure his cult members are armed, of course. its certainly true that an armed society is a polite society. if you, for example , were stuck in some rural town in missouri and someone asked your opinion of trump, you would probably give a more polite answer then your rabid rantings on line. so, the presence of guns causes people to be more considerate of their fellow citizens it brings us together

That's true, dear. People are always polite to bank robbers, no?

I do feel they bring more manners to our armed hold-ups and hostage situations, don't you?

Not everyone is polite to Trump. But yes, he does get yanks jumping out of bed with plans for the sports equipment.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 30^th, 2023 at 2:15pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 12:15pm: I have become accustomed to the mass shooting notifications. But, I thought this topic was a reference to an earlier mass shooting. There's a new one every day. About 1.6 per day on average at the moment.

If we had the rate of mass shootings in Australia the same as what we see in America, there would be one mass shooting in Australia every 9 days. And that would be unacceptable. But, if the USA had the same rate of mass shootings as Australia has had in the last 27 years, there would be 2 shootings per year in the USA. And that would be unacceptable.

The only effort Americans would likely try to avoid future mass shootings is to ban the airplay of songs like Jon Secada's "Just Another Day", to prevent hurt feelings.

'the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed'.
They aren't serious about their own rights or the law wouldn't be altered to infringe their holy gun powers. They knew that taking guns to the Capitol invasion would get jail-time. It could be said that attacking Congress that day was exactly what the 2nd Amendment provided for. But it failed them and all that remains is to hand in the 500million weapons, put hand on heart and join civilisation.

issuevoter wrote on Apr 30^th, 2023 at 1:29pm:

Well now, has everyone got their indignation and their self-righteousness off their chests? There, doesn't that feel better?

Well, of course it's perfectly acceptable to be "indignant" about
the number of firearm deaths and mass killings happening
every week across America.

Indignant,  adj:  —feeling or showing anger because of something unjust or unworthy.

If you don't feel angry about all those needless gun deaths,
then you really need to reappraise your obviously indifferent
moral and ethical beliefs.       Everybody should be angry.

And the issue of vehemently opposing the lax firearms laws
in America has nothing to do with complainants' "self-righteousness"
—it also has nothing to do with one feeling morally superior to
others.  In actuality, opposition to those outdated, negligent
laws is the sign of a morally right or justifiable standpoint.

—In fact, your patronising little comment better represents
   someone's self-righteousness—more so than any sort of
   meaningful thought processes.     Tsk, tsk.

184 mass shootings in the US so far this year (in 120 days).

575 children killed by guns in the US so far this year - that's almost five a day.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 1^st, 2023 at 9:49am:

184 mass shootings in the US so far this year (in 120 days). 575 children killed by guns in the US so far this year - that's almost five a day.

I'm sure Panther and his gung-ho wannabe gangsta clique
wouldn't give a toss about these sorts of horrific statistics.

I note that he's not once commented about the unacceptable
numbers of unnecessary firearm deaths in his good ol' US of A.

      >:(

But the size of his font makes up for it.

AusGeoff wrote on May 1^st, 2023 at 4:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 1st, 2023 at 9:49am: 184 mass shootings in the US so far this year (in 120 days). 575 children killed by guns in the US so far this year - that's almost five a day. I'm sure Panther and his gung-ho wannabe gangsta clique wouldn't give a toss about these sorts of horrific statistics. I note that he's not once commented about the unacceptable numbers of unnecessary firearm deaths in his good ol' US of A.       >:(

firearms are good in the hands of , say, farmers.

not so much mentally ill urban types.

holland has just seen its farming ranks absolutley gutted.

this was supposedly to help the climate but its really because holland has an enormous industry in producing food flavourings and addititves and they are linking up with big food to feed you guys processed fake meat.

dutch farmers took to the streets (as did the french) but they were soon brought under the iron fist of the dictartorship

that wouldnt happen in america.

i have been to texas and you just try and tell the ranchers i met that they need to hand  over their cows.

good luck with that.

guns can be very important deterant to reduce the over reach of the urban elite.

Until relatively recently, Dutch farming prowess was hailed as one of the wonders of the global economy. In 2017, a National Geographic article headlined “This tiny country feeds the world” encapsulated a sense of national pride at the Netherlands’ status as the second-biggest exporter of agricultural products by value behind the United States.

These days, Dutch farmers are in the headlines for less upbeat reasons. As the climate emergency and a related biodiversity crisis belatedly take centre stage in policymaking, the prime minister, Mark Rutte, has committed to halving the country’s overall nitrogen emissions by 2030. A large proportion of these are generated by the manure and urine produced by more than 100m cattle, pigs and chickens. To reach the target, and protect biodiversity in the polluted countryside, the government has announced plans to reduce livestock numbers by a third.

aquascoot has announced a conspiracy to eliminate 51% of politicians and make the rest respect him and be polite.

chimera wrote on May 1^st, 2023 at 5:11pm:

aquascoot has announced a conspiracy to eliminate 51% of politicians and make the rest respect him and be polite.

they wont need to be eliminated.

they will just have to think twice about bullying their citizens

trudeau was able to freeze the bank accounts of truckers in canada.

that probably wouldnt happen in the states

this is democracy in action, government by the people and for the people.

aquascoot wrote on May 1^st, 2023 at 5:03pm:

guns can be very important deterant to reduce the over reach of the urban elite.

Have a chat with Meister Eckhart.

chimera wrote on May 1^st, 2023 at 5:41pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 1st, 2023 at 5:03pm: guns can be very important deterant to reduce the over reach of the urban elite. Have a chat with Meister Eckhart.

guns are bad when in the hands of urban gangs, drug gangs, criminals,
they have no place in the city

in the rural areas where 'real" americans live, where people are productive and have strong ties with neighbours and a sense of community, guns are a good deterant to government over reach

when the constitution was written, probably 90 % of americans were rural folk , as i have describes above

we could , perhaps pass laws that only the productive members of society can be armed

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Texas mass shooting

Yes another right wing celebration of the gun.

aquascoot wrote on May 1^st, 2023 at 5:03pm:

guns can be very important deterant to reduce the over reach of the urban elite.

Like that ever happened.

The score so far is 0 for 400 Million guns.

aquascoot wrote on May 1^st, 2023 at 5:50pm:

we could , perhaps pass laws that only the productive members of society can be armed

Now we're talking turkey. Ammo is dispensed by the Tax Office in place of refunds. Companies pay no tax but if they send in a semi the boys will load with rimfire and smokeless and low-radiation neutron ordnance. Chinese shareholders will need to get in quick.

aquascoot wrote on May 1^st, 2023 at 5:05pm:

Until relatively recently, Dutch farming prowess was hailed as one of the wonders of the global economy. In 2017, a National Geographic article headlined “This tiny country feeds the world” encapsulated a sense of national pride at the Netherlands’ status as the second-biggest exporter of agricultural products by value behind the United States. These days, Dutch farmers are in the headlines for less upbeat reasons. As the climate emergency and a related biodiversity crisis belatedly take centre stage in policymaking, the prime minister, Mark Rutte, has committed to halving the country’s overall nitrogen emissions by 2030. A large proportion of these are generated by the manure and urine produced by more than 100m cattle, pigs and chickens. To reach the target, and protect biodiversity in the polluted countryside, the government has announced plans to reduce livestock numbers by a third.

Despicable stuff. Think how many chicken McNuggets will get taken out of supply. Think how many tonnes of Monsanto fertiliser will go unsold. Think how many vials of growth hormones will remain in Pfizer's stock.

The "noble capitalists" won't be too happy with that, dear. That's 38.3% less chodes to farm.

chimera wrote on May 1^st, 2023 at 6:02pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 1st, 2023 at 5:50pm: we could , perhaps pass laws that only the productive members of society can be armed Now we're talking turkey. Ammo is dispensed by the Tax Office in place of refunds. Companies pay no tax but if they send in a semi the boys will load with rimfire and smokeless and low-radiation neutron ordnance. Chinese shareholders will need to get in quick.

sales of ammo include a tax to fund national parks in the USA,
it is actually the major source of funding to preserve the wilderness

Karnal wrote on May 1^st, 2023 at 6:34pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 1st, 2023 at 5:05pm: Until relatively recently, Dutch farming prowess was hailed as one of the wonders of the global economy. In 2017, a National Geographic article headlined “This tiny country feeds the world” encapsulated a sense of national pride at the Netherlands’ status as the second-biggest exporter of agricultural products by value behind the United States. These days, Dutch farmers are in the headlines for less upbeat reasons. As the climate emergency and a related biodiversity crisis belatedly take centre stage in policymaking, the prime minister, Mark Rutte, has committed to halving the country’s overall nitrogen emissions by 2030. A large proportion of these are generated by the manure and urine produced by more than 100m cattle, pigs and chickens. To reach the target, and protect biodiversity in the polluted countryside, the government has announced plans to reduce livestock numbers by a third. Despicable stuff. Think how many chicken McNuggets will get taken out of supply. Think how many tonnes of Monsanto fertiliser will go unsold. Think how many vials of growth hormones will remain in Pfizer's stock. The "noble capitalists" won't be too happy with that, dear. That's 38.3% less chodes to farm.

incorrect.

meat and chicken are good nutritous foods

what you will be eating instead is big food soy meats flavoured with chemcials from dutch big food , then you will get sick and pharma can ply you with expensive drugs to stop you dying as you "linger"

Although if truth be told most national parks funding goes into tree surgeons plugging the sap from machine-gunned red woods.

The Netherlands is also a global frontrunner in the alternative protein sector, contributing to global solutions for food sustainability and security. The Dutch skillset includes protein production, processing, innovation and logistics, allowing the Netherlands to stimulate the shift towards a restored balance between animal- and alternative (plant-based) proteins.

aquascoot wrote on May 1^st, 2023 at 6:43pm:

Karnal wrote on May 1st, 2023 at 6:34pm: aquascoot wrote on May 1st, 2023 at 5:05pm: Until relatively recently, Dutch farming prowess was hailed as one of the wonders of the global economy. In 2017, a National Geographic article headlined “This tiny country feeds the world” encapsulated a sense of national pride at the Netherlands’ status as the second-biggest exporter of agricultural products by value behind the United States. These days, Dutch farmers are in the headlines for less upbeat reasons. As the climate emergency and a related biodiversity crisis belatedly take centre stage in policymaking, the prime minister, Mark Rutte, has committed to halving the country’s overall nitrogen emissions by 2030. A large proportion of these are generated by the manure and urine produced by more than 100m cattle, pigs and chickens. To reach the target, and protect biodiversity in the polluted countryside, the government has announced plans to reduce livestock numbers by a third. Despicable stuff. Think how many chicken McNuggets will get taken out of supply. Think how many tonnes of Monsanto fertiliser will go unsold. Think how many vials of growth hormones will remain in Pfizer's stock. The "noble capitalists" won't be too happy with that, dear. That's 38.3% less chodes to farm. incorrect. meat and chicken are good nutritous foods what you will be eating instead is big food soy meats flavoured with chemcials from dutch big food , then you will get sick and pharma can ply you with expensive drugs to stop you dying as you "linger"

Where will they get their Dutch big soybeans from?

You need to bow down before your fridge and weep tears of pure gratitude for what the "noble capitalist" has done for you.

He's helped you "linger" an extra average ten years since the 21st century began. He gave you Maccas and Monsanto and Pfizer and an extra ten years of life to consume more.

You should go down to your local Westfield's food court to celebrate. Pick up some good genetically-modified nutritious food, dear.

Not only is the "noble capitalist" feeding you, he's also feeding the "noble Gurkha". A bowl of dirt a day, no?

aquascoot wrote on May 1^st, 2023 at 6:46pm:

The Netherlands is also a global frontrunner in the alternative protein sector, contributing to global solutions for food sustainability and security. The Dutch skillset includes protein production, processing, innovation and logistics, allowing the Netherlands to stimulate the shift towards a restored balance between animal- and alternative (plant-based) proteins.

'dutch farmers took to the streets (as did the french) but they were soon brought under the iron fist of the dictartorship
that wouldnt happen in america.
guns can be very important deterant to reduce the over reach of the urban elite'.

Maybe just shoot anywhere and hope the target will appear.?

aquascoot wrote on May 1^st, 2023 at 6:46pm:

The Netherlands is also a global frontrunner in the alternative protein sector, contributing to global solutions for food sustainability and security. The Dutch skillset includes protein production, processing, innovation and logistics, allowing the Netherlands to stimulate the shift towards a restored balance between animal- and alternative (plant-based) proteins.

A win-win, yes? I believe his Dutch petroleum industry is also investing in wind farms as an alternative source of EnErGy.

Bow down, dear. Your "noble Dutchman" also invented capitalism.

Not so much a man as a God, no?

Karnal wrote on May 1^st, 2023 at 7:01pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 1st, 2023 at 6:46pm: The Netherlands is also a global frontrunner in the alternative protein sector, contributing to global solutions for food sustainability and security. The Dutch skillset includes protein production, processing, innovation and logistics, allowing the Netherlands to stimulate the shift towards a restored balance between animal- and alternative (plant-based) proteins. A win-win, yes? I believe his Dutch petroleum industry is also investing in wind farms as an alternative source of EnErGy.

Don't they give birds cancer?

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PointlessUglyAmericancrow-size_restricted.gif

Dutch firearms were known for their sound quality, slender lines and perfect marriage of simplicity and functionality.

Provincial elections were held in the Netherlands on the 15 March 2023, on the same day as the water board elections, as well as island council elections in the Caribbean Netherlands. The elections resulted in a landslide victory for the Farmer–Citizen Movement, who lost 241,000 casualties to the royalist 7,452,781 deaths.

How could this tragedy have been prevented? How about Border control, Illegals killed by an Illegal!

Mortdooley wrote on May 1^st, 2023 at 8:06pm:

How could this tragedy have been prevented? How about Border control, Illegals killed by an Illegal!

99.99% of the time it isn't about the right wing nationalist nutter with the gun. then you have the 0.01% of the time when it is all about the trans person with a gun or the immigrant  / refugee with the gun.

It's wrong for illegals to kill, let alone kill an American. There's an unholy feel to it.

Quote:

BREAKING REPORT: Suspect and ALL 5 VICTIMS of horrifying TEXAS MASSACRE STYLE KILLING have been identified as ILLEGAL immigrants.

Do you know what you don't see? Mass murderers who have been identified as Trump supporters.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 1^st, 2023 at 7:09pm:

Karnal wrote on May 1st, 2023 at 7:01pm: aquascoot wrote on May 1st, 2023 at 6:46pm: The Netherlands is also a global frontrunner in the alternative protein sector, contributing to global solutions for food sustainability and security. The Dutch skillset includes protein production, processing, innovation and logistics, allowing the Netherlands to stimulate the shift towards a restored balance between animal- and alternative (plant-based) proteins. A win-win, yes? I believe his Dutch petroleum industry is also investing in wind farms as an alternative source of EnErGy. Don't they give birds cancer? https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PointlessUglyAmericancrow-size_restricted.gif

I think so, Greggery, but that's okay. Chicken farming's not too kind to them either.

Ever get the feeling you've been farmed?

Mortdooley wrote on May 1^st, 2023 at 8:44pm:

Quote: BREAKING REPORT: Suspect and ALL 5 VICTIMS of horrifying TEXAS MASSACRE STYLE KILLING have been identified as ILLEGAL immigrants. Do you know what you don't see? Mass murderers who have been identified as Trump supporters.

Only because you do not look for confirmation you are a dickhead???


Quote:

Robert 'Bobby' Crimo III confirmed to be raging Trump supporter

https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/us-news/2022/07/05/62c398a2268e3ed33e8b45f4.html


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Gunman Who Targeted FBI a Radicalized Trump Supporter, Saw Mar-a-Lago Search as Call to Arms

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/gunman-who-targeted-fbi-radicalized-trump-supporter-saw-mar-lago-search-call-arms


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'I believed I was going to die': Trump supporter sentenced to prison for shooting after rally that injured Black teen

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/08/10/man-sentenced-10-years-shooting-teen-after-donald-trump-rally/5549785001/


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El Paso Suspect Reportedly a Trump Supporter Who Wrote Racist, Anti-Immigrant Manifesto

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/el-paso-suspect-shooter-trump-racist-manifesto.html


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'No Blame?' ABC News finds 54 cases invoking 'Trump' in connection with violence, threats, alleged assaults.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/blame-abc-news-finds-17-cases-invoking-trump/story?id=58912889


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Suspected U.K. Mass Shooter Said He Was American, Trump-Supporting Virgin

https://www.thedailybeast.com/jake-davison-suspected-mass-shooter-said-he-was-an-american-trump-supporting-virgin

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philperth2010 wrote on May 2^nd, 2023 at 8:11am:

Mortdooley wrote on May 1st, 2023 at 8:44pm: Quote: BREAKING REPORT: Suspect and ALL 5 VICTIMS of horrifying TEXAS MASSACRE STYLE KILLING have been identified as ILLEGAL immigrants. Do you know what you don't see? Mass murderers who have been identified as Trump supporters. Only because you do not look for confirmation you are a dickhead??? [quote]Robert 'Bobby' Crimo III confirmed to be raging Trump supporter

https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/us-news/2022/07/05/62c398a2268e3ed33e8b45f4.html


Quote:

Gunman Who Targeted FBI a Radicalized Trump Supporter, Saw Mar-a-Lago Search as Call to Arms

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/gunman-who-targeted-fbi-radicalized-trump-supporter-saw-mar-lago-search-call-arms


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'I believed I was going to die': Trump supporter sentenced to prison for shooting after rally that injured Black teen

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/08/10/man-sentenced-10-years-shooting-teen-after-donald-trump-rally/5549785001/


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El Paso Suspect Reportedly a Trump Supporter Who Wrote Racist, Anti-Immigrant Manifesto

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/el-paso-suspect-shooter-trump-racist-manifesto.html


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'No Blame?' ABC News finds 54 cases invoking 'Trump' in connection with violence, threats, alleged assaults.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/blame-abc-news-finds-17-cases-invoking-trump/story?id=58912889


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Suspected U.K. Mass Shooter Said He Was American, Trump-Supporting Virgin

https://www.thedailybeast.com/jake-davison-suspected-mass-shooter-said-he-was-an-american-trump-supporting-virgin

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mortdooley shot down in flames once again   :)

And the GUN STATE... uh... sorry, Texas, hits the headlines
yet again for all the wrong reasons:

Matthew DeLaney, who was not in uniform for Texas
A&M-Texarkana, was standing near the bullpen and
batting cages near the south-west corner of George
Dobson Field on Sunday when he was hit by a bullet
fired from an adjacent neighbourhood, police said.

DeLaney, 18, was struck in the chest and taken to a
Texarkana hospital, where he remained in intensive
care in a stable condition.

"But we think it's important to note that he has a number
of serious injuries, as would be expected with this type
of trauma. He has made slight improvements daily but
still has significant injuries and complications to overcome."

Police, in a post on the Texarkana department's Facebook
page, said they received several calls about shots fired
in the neighbourhood west of the field.  Officers found
several spent shell casings in the front yard of a residence.

Police said a disturbance ended with two men shooting at
each other in front of the house. One of the shots travelled
about 400 yards and hit DeLaney.

      >:(

Mortdooley wrote on May 1^st, 2023 at 8:44pm:

Quote: BREAKING REPORT: Suspect and ALL 5 VICTIMS of horrifying TEXAS MASSACRE STYLE KILLING have been identified as ILLEGAL immigrants. Not True - Even Governor dipsy doody apologised for saying it. Do you know what you don't see? Mass murderers who have been identified as Trump supporters.

Actually most do. One of the common factors in mass shooters is in fact Trump support.

That isn't Trumps fault - its just that shooters are crazy righties, 2nd amendment nutters and co.

Dnarever wrote on May 2^nd, 2023 at 9:59am:

...One of the common factors in mass shooters is in fact Trump support. That isn't Trumps fault - its just that shooters are crazy righties, 2nd amendment nutters and co.

Yes.   A nationwide review conducted by ABC News in May 2020
identified at least 54 criminal cases where Trump was invoked in
direct connection with violent acts, threats of violence or
allegations of assault.

These 54 cases are remarkable in that a link to Trump is captured
in court documents and police statements, under the penalty of
perjury or contempt.    These links are not speculative—they
are documented in official records. And in the majority of
cases identified by ABC News, it was perpetrators themselves who
invoked the president in connection with their case, not anyone  else.

Federal law enforcement authorities have said that although
Trump has offered public denunciations of violence, his statements
have been inconsistent and his style could inspire violence-prone
individuals to take action against minorities or others they
perceive to be against the president's agenda.

       https://i.postimg.cc/t4Vm7WD9/Screenshot-2023-05-02-at-11-32-50-a2987815-02b5-4714-9b0e-40614057c37e-273253-1536-rgb-jpg-WEBP-Ima.png
—Hopefully Trump will have a few thoughts about this over the next 30 years wearing an orange jump suit?

                 ;D

aquascoot wrote on May 1^st, 2023 at 6:41pm:

...sales of ammo include a tax to fund national parks in the USA, it is actually the major source of funding to preserve the wilderness

Maybe surprisingly, this is correct...

WILDLIFE RESTORATION (PITTMAN-ROBERTSON ACT).

The excise tax is set by law at 11% of the wholesale price for long
guns and ammunition and 10% for handguns. It is paid by
manufacturers, producers, and importers and applies to all
commercial sales and imports, whether their purpose is hunting,
sport shooting, or personal defense. This tax is handled by the
Department of the Treasury, which turns the funds over to the U.S.
Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) for apportionment to the states.

But... and that's a big but... logically of course this has no bearing
whatsoever on the "rights" supposedly granted by the 2nd
Amendment, nor does it in any way redress the ludicrously massive
numbers of firearms owned in the US (120 guns for every 100
Americans) or the equally massive numbers of unnecessary
firearms deaths and huge cost to society.

In an average year, gun violence in America kills 40,000 people,
wounds twice as many, and has an economic consequence to the
nation of $557 billion. 

This annual figure dwarfs the guns and ammunition tax—over the
76 years since its inception—at only $7 billion or $92 million a
year.  Which means, in effect, that the alleged national parks
benefits put forward by the firearms manufacturers and owners is
merely a publicity smoke screen.      Tsk, tsk.

       ::)

—Excerpted from https://everytownresearch.org/report/the-economic-cost-of-gun-violence/ 19 July 2022.

American deer hunters bagged 6.3 million white-tailed deer in 2020-21 (a record since 2011).
Several great white sharks, Trump look-alikes, the Congress and coke cans have been shot up. Car panel- beaters also had a good year.

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30^th, 2023 at 7:22am:

Quote: Gunman Kills Five People in Texas Home, Authorities Say Three others were wounded and the gunman remained at large, officials said. The attack on Friday night started after the man was asked to stop shooting in his yard, the authorities said. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/29/us/shooting-texas-san-jacinto.html Yeah we need MORE GUNS in America. What bullshit!

Illegals don't have 2A rights in the US not allowed to buy or own firearms.

He was deported 4 times sleepy Joe has blood on his hands for allowing him to walk across the border to enter the US.

How many times was he deported under Obamas watch?


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Texas man accused of killing five neighbors was deported four times May 1 (Reuters) - A Texas man accused of killing five neighbors after being asked to stop shooting his assault-style rifle because of the noise had been deported from the U.S. four times since 2009, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) said on Monday. The suspect in the shooting in the rural community of Cleveland, Texas, Francisco Oropesa, 38, is a Mexican who was deported in March 2009 after being ordered removed by an immigration judge, ICE said in a statement. He was apprehended and deported again in September 2009, January 2012 and July 2016, ICE said. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/texas-man-accused-killing-five-neighbors-was-deported-four-times-2023-05-01/

Baronvonrort wrote on May 2^nd, 2023 at 3:00pm:

He was deported 4 times sleepy Joe has blood on his hands for allowing him to walk across the border to enter the US.

Joe?

He re-entered the US during the Trump administration.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2023 at 3:02pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 2nd, 2023 at 3:00pm: He was deported 4 times sleepy Joe has blood on his hands for allowing him to walk across the border to enter the US. Joe? He re-entered the US during the Trump administration.

Pecca made a bet with Bias that he would leave this forum if Trump defeated Hillary in that election, why is he still here when is Pecca going to be a man and honour his bet with Bias?

FD knows what Pecca is

Quote:

Greg is a habitual liar. https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1648075255/26#26

Baronvonrort wrote on May 2^nd, 2023 at 3:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2023 at 3:02pm: Baronvonrort wrote on May 2nd, 2023 at 3:00pm: He was deported 4 times sleepy Joe has blood on his hands for allowing him to walk across the border to enter the US. Joe? He re-entered the US during the Trump administration. Pecca made a bet with Bias that he would leave this forum if Trump defeated Hillary in that election, why is he still here when is Pecca going to be a man and honour his bet with Bias? FD knows what Pecca is Quote: Greg is a habitual liar. https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1648075255/26#26

Didn't like that little fact, did you?   :)

The shooter re-entered the US during criminal defendant Trump's administration.

Ouch! 

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2023 at 3:18pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 2nd, 2023 at 3:12pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 2nd, 2023 at 3:02pm: Baronvonrort wrote on May 2nd, 2023 at 3:00pm: He was deported 4 times sleepy Joe has blood on his hands for allowing him to walk across the border to enter the US. Joe? He re-entered the US during the Trump administration. Pecca made a bet with Bias that he would leave this forum if Trump defeated Hillary in that election, why is he still here when is Pecca going to be a man and honour his bet with Bias? FD knows what Pecca is Quote: Greg is a habitual liar. https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1648075255/26#26 Didn't like that little fact, did you?   :) The shooter re-entered the US during criminal defendant Trump's administration. Ouch!

Your opinons aren't facts

Baronvonrort wrote on May 2^nd, 2023 at 3:00pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 7:22am: Quote: Gunman Kills Five People in Texas Home, Authorities Say Three others were wounded and the gunman remained at large, officials said. The attack on Friday night started after the man was asked to stop shooting in his yard, the authorities said. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/29/us/shooting-texas-san-jacinto.html Yeah we need MORE GUNS in America. What bullshit! Illegals don't have 2A rights in the US not allowed to buy or own firearms. He was deported 4 times sleepy Joe has blood on his hands for allowing him to walk across the border to enter the US. How many times was he deported under Obamas watch? [quote] Texas man accused of killing five neighbors was deported four times May 1 (Reuters) - A Texas man accused of killing five neighbors after being asked to stop shooting his assault-style rifle because of the noise had been deported from the U.S. four times since 2009, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) said on Monday. The suspect in the shooting in the rural community of Cleveland, Texas, Francisco Oropesa, 38, is a Mexican who was deported in March 2009 after being ordered removed by an immigration judge, ICE said in a statement. He was apprehended and deported again in September 2009, January 2012 and July 2016, ICE said. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/texas-man-accused-killing-five-neighbors-was-deported-four-times-2023-05-01/

[/quote]

Inconvenient truth for bedwetting hoplophobes.

Baronvonrort wrote on May 2^nd, 2023 at 3:21pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 2nd, 2023 at 3:00pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 7:22am: Quote: Gunman Kills Five People in Texas Home, Authorities Say Three others were wounded and the gunman remained at large, officials said. The attack on Friday night started after the man was asked to stop shooting in his yard, the authorities said. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/29/us/shooting-texas-san-jacinto.html Yeah we need MORE GUNS in America. What bullshit! Illegals don't have 2A rights in the US not allowed to buy or own firearms. He was deported 4 times sleepy Joe has blood on his hands for allowing him to walk across the border to enter the US. How many times was he deported under Obamas watch? [quote] Texas man accused of killing five neighbors was deported four times May 1 (Reuters) - A Texas man accused of killing five neighbors after being asked to stop shooting his assault-style rifle because of the noise had been deported from the U.S. four times since 2009, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) said on Monday. The suspect in the shooting in the rural community of Cleveland, Texas, Francisco Oropesa, 38, is a Mexican who was deported in March 2009 after being ordered removed by an immigration judge, ICE said in a statement. He was apprehended and deported again in September 2009, January 2012 and July 2016, ICE said. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/texas-man-accused-killing-five-neighbors-was-deported-four-times-2023-05-01/

Inconvenient truth for bedwetting hoplophobes.
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And then he re-entered again during the Trump administration   ;)

Baronvonrort wrote on May 2^nd, 2023 at 3:00pm:

...He was deported 4 times sleepy Joe has blood on his hands for allowing him to walk across the border to enter the US.

As per usual, you manage to get things totally wrong.
Ever thought of doing a bit of research before you so
often make a fool of yourself?

His multiple reentries to the US had NOTHING to do with Biden.      ::)

AusGeoff wrote on May 2^nd, 2023 at 6:49pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 2nd, 2023 at 3:00pm: ...He was deported 4 times sleepy Joe has blood on his hands for allowing him to walk across the border to enter the US. As per usual, you manage to get things totally wrong. Ever thought of doing a bit of research before you so often make a fool of yourself? His multiple reentries to the US had NOTHING to do with Biden.      ::)

Where did i say previous illegal entries happened under Biden can you cite that?

His last entry happened under Biden.

All previous ones happened under Obama.

Was Trump in power when he was deported in 2016?

Baronvonrort wrote on May 2^nd, 2023 at 8:05pm:

AusGeoff wrote on May 2nd, 2023 at 6:49pm: Baronvonrort wrote on May 2nd, 2023 at 3:00pm: ...He was deported 4 times sleepy Joe has blood on his hands for allowing him to walk across the border to enter the US. As per usual, you manage to get things totally wrong. Ever thought of doing a bit of research before you so often make a fool of yourself? His multiple reentries to the US had NOTHING to do with Biden.      ::) Where did i say previous illegal entries happened under Biden can you cite that? His last entry happened under Biden. All previous ones happened under Obama. Was Trump in power when he was deported in 2016?

Quote:

Was Trump in power when he was deported in 2016?

Trump wasn't in power in 2016. It is highly probable that Trump was in power when he returned.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 2^nd, 2023 at 8:22am:

philperth2010 wrote on May 2nd, 2023 at 8:11am: Mortdooley wrote on May 1st, 2023 at 8:44pm: Quote: BREAKING REPORT: Suspect and ALL 5 VICTIMS of horrifying TEXAS MASSACRE STYLE KILLING have been identified as ILLEGAL immigrants. Do you know what you don't see? Mass murderers who have been identified as Trump supporters. Only because you do not look for confirmation you are a dickhead??? [quote]Robert 'Bobby' Crimo III confirmed to be raging Trump supporter https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/us-news/2022/07/05/62c398a2268e3ed33e8b45f4.html [quote]Gunman Who Targeted FBI a Radicalized Trump Supporter, Saw Mar-a-Lago Search as Call to Arms

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/gunman-who-targeted-fbi-radicalized-trump-supporter-saw-mar-lago-search-call-arms


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'I believed I was going to die': Trump supporter sentenced to prison for shooting after rally that injured Black teen

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/08/10/man-sentenced-10-years-shooting-teen-after-donald-trump-rally/5549785001/


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El Paso Suspect Reportedly a Trump Supporter Who Wrote Racist, Anti-Immigrant Manifesto

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/el-paso-suspect-shooter-trump-racist-manifesto.html


Quote:

'No Blame?' ABC News finds 54 cases invoking 'Trump' in connection with violence, threats, alleged assaults.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/blame-abc-news-finds-17-cases-invoking-trump/story?id=58912889


Quote:

Suspected U.K. Mass Shooter Said He Was American, Trump-Supporting Virgin

https://www.thedailybeast.com/jake-davison-suspected-mass-shooter-said-he-was-an-american-trump-supporting-virgin

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mortdooley shot down in flames once again   :)[/quote]


Really, one would expect these fables to be repeated many times. It is such a good indictment why isn't it? They said he said or someone said they heard he said or they found a manifesto. Did you miss the four years when an innocent man was persecuted for threatening the swamp?

AusGeoff wrote on May 2^nd, 2023 at 6:49pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 2nd, 2023 at 3:00pm: ...He was deported 4 times sleepy Joe has blood on his hands for allowing him to walk across the border to enter the US. As per usual, you manage to get things totally wrong. Ever thought of doing a bit of research before you so often make a fool of yourself? His multiple reentries to the US had NOTHING to do with Biden.      ::)

The actions of this killer has everything to do with biden. He has stopped the CBP from doing their job and securing our Border. Now thousands of people have been killed by illegals that would have been turned away under Trump! This is just one example of a failed system.

Mortdooley wrote on May 2^nd, 2023 at 9:02pm:

AusGeoff wrote on May 2nd, 2023 at 6:49pm: Baronvonrort wrote on May 2nd, 2023 at 3:00pm: ...He was deported 4 times sleepy Joe has blood on his hands for allowing him to walk across the border to enter the US. As per usual, you manage to get things totally wrong. Ever thought of doing a bit of research before you so often make a fool of yourself? His multiple reentries to the US had NOTHING to do with Biden.      ::) The actions of this killer has everything to do with biden. He has stopped the CBP from doing their job and securing our Border. Now thousands of people have been killed by illegals that would have been turned away under Trump! This is just one example of a failed system.

Quote:

He has stopped the CBP from doing their job and securing our Border.

He very likely came in before Biden was President.

He came in five times but only deported four times. That's why he was able to murder people in the US. Where did he get the gun, didn't he know it was illegal for him to possess it?

Five million invaded since biden stopped CBP from enforcing our Border and over one hundred thousand people have died of Fentanyl overdoses each year since January 20,2021. Clearly the democrats care nothing about the safety of our citizens.

Neither do the Republicans.  They will happily accept donations from the manufacturers of firearms, Mort.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Mortdooley wrote on May 2^nd, 2023 at 9:38pm:

He came in five times but only deported four times. That's why he was able to murder people in the US. Where did he get the gun, didn't he know it was illegal for him to possess it? Five million invaded since biden stopped CBP from enforcing our Border and over one hundred thousand people have died of Fentanyl overdoses each year since January 20,2021. Clearly the democrats care nothing about the safety of our citizens.

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overdoses each year since January 20,2021.

The increases started in 2020. convenient that you left that out.

2018 51,000

2019 52,000

2020 69,000

2021 81,000

2022 79,000

So there was a drop between 2021 and 2022 but the biggest increase was the Last year of the Trump reign of terror.

Mortdooley wrote on May 2^nd, 2023 at 9:38pm:

He came in five times but only deported four times. That's why he was able to murder people in the US. Where did he get the gun, didn't he know it was illegal for him to possess it? Five million invaded since biden stopped CBP from enforcing our Border and over one hundred thousand people have died of Fentanyl overdoses each year since January 20,2021. Clearly the democrats care nothing about the safety of our citizens.

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Where did he get the gun

You know that there are no gun laws in Texas. In fact the laws are so lax and incompetent they illegally export to Mexico. He could have bought it in Texas of he could have brought it with him from Mexico. He could have got the same gun either way.

Dnarever wrote on May 2^nd, 2023 at 11:59pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 2nd, 2023 at 9:38pm: He came in five times but only deported four times. That's why he was able to murder people in the US. Where did he get the gun, didn't he know it was illegal for him to possess it? Five million invaded since biden stopped CBP from enforcing our Border and over one hundred thousand people have died of Fentanyl overdoses each year since January 20,2021. Clearly the democrats care nothing about the safety of our citizens. Quote: Where did he get the gun You know that there are no gun laws in Texas. In fact the laws are so lax and incompetent they illegally export to Mexico. He could have bought it in Texas of he could have brought it with him from Mexico. He could have got the same gun either way.

Mexico has the third highest gun death rate in the world (after the US), and some of the toughest gun laws.

Guess where the cartels get the bulk of their illegal weapons from.

Tip: it's a former Mexican state with liberal gun laws.

'The overwhelming majority of modern small arms outside of Afghan government control are technically illegal without a special permit issued by the Ministry of the Interior. Pistol carry licenses can be acquired by private citizens, but it’s a very lengthy process involving at least two government officials to essentially take full responsibility for an applicant should there be any wrongdoing.'

Kabul may crack-down hard on terrorist Texans in US. Shooting government officials for school massacres will improve living standards.

Suspected gunman caught in Texas four days after 5 killed :o

Karnal wrote on May 3^rd, 2023 at 12:18am:

Dnarever wrote on May 2nd, 2023 at 11:59pm: Mortdooley wrote on May 2nd, 2023 at 9:38pm: He came in five times but only deported four times. That's why he was able to murder people in the US. Where did he get the gun, didn't he know it was illegal for him to possess it? Five million invaded since biden stopped CBP from enforcing our Border and over one hundred thousand people have died of Fentanyl overdoses each year since January 20,2021. Clearly the democrats care nothing about the safety of our citizens. Quote: Where did he get the gun You know that there are no gun laws in Texas. In fact the laws are so lax and incompetent they illegally export to Mexico. He could have bought it in Texas of he could have brought it with him from Mexico. He could have got the same gun either way. Mexico has the third highest gun death rate in the world (after the US), and some of the toughest gun laws. Guess where the cartels get the bulk of their illegal weapons from. Tip: it's a former Mexican state with liberal gun laws.

I'm gonna give morty a little hint.

How Texas’s gun laws allow Mexican cartels to arm themselves to the teeth

This is the response from Texas govt:


Quote:

Mark Elliott @markmobility Here's what's going on in the Texas legislature in response to school shootings: All students in third grade and up to be trained in battlefield trauma care.  https://legiscan.com/TX/text/HB1147/2023

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A foetus can hear what's spoken. Momma can carefully explain 'now place the rounds in the mag. Clip the magazine onto the barrel, cock weapon and you're just fine sweetie'.
The two year old gets small size bandages, torniquet clips, tweezers and chain saw for complex bone fractures.

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 30^th, 2023 at 4:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 2:15pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 30th, 2023 at 12:15pm: I have become accustomed to the mass shooting notifications. But, I thought this topic was a reference to an earlier mass shooting. There's a new one every day. About 1.6 per day on average at the moment. If we had the rate of mass shootings in Australia the same as what we see in America, there would be one mass shooting in Australia every 9 days. And that would be unacceptable. But, if the USA had the same rate of mass shootings as Australia has had in the last 27 years, there would be 2 shootings per year in the USA. And that would be unacceptable. The only effort Americans would likely try to avoid future mass shootings is to ban the airplay of songs like Jon Secada's "Just Another Day", to prevent hurt feelings.

If Australia had near on 400m people, and more just walking in every day, you'd see more deaths to anything available.

Don't compare our pissant sized population to theirs.
There is no comparison.


FMD, an AR15 is what we call a 223. It's just semi auto. It looks scary because the military over there use them, but they're the same round.
It happens here still and we only have 25m, not even the entire population of texas.


Oh, and trump tried to build a wall to keep these ones out, to which he received total backlash over.

Captain Caveman wrote on May 3^rd, 2023 at 2:41pm:

... Oh, and trump tried to build a wall to keep these ones out, to which he received total backlash over.   ...

Nearly half of all the unauthorized migrants now living in the United States entered the country legally through a port of entry such as an airport or a border crossing point where they were subject to inspection by immigration officials, according to new estimates from the Pew Hispanic Center.

As much as 45% of the total unauthorized migrant population entered the country with visas that allowed them to visit or reside in the U.S. for a limited amount of time. Known as “overstayers,” these migrants became part of the unauthorized population when they remained in the country after their visas had expired.

Another smaller share of the unauthorized migrant population entered the country legally from Mexico using a Border Crossing Card, a document that allows short visits limited to the border region, and then violated the terms of admission.

Criminal defendant Trump is gonna have to build a wall 30,000 feet high around the airport.

Captain Caveman wrote on May 3^rd, 2023 at 2:41pm:

Don't compare our pissant sized population to theirs. There is no comparison.

Oh but there is when the numbers are deaths in 100,000.
For the first decades of 2000, US had 8-11 gun-death per 100,000.
Oz had around 1.2 per 100,000.

chimera wrote on May 3^rd, 2023 at 3:14pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 2:41pm: Don't compare our pissant sized population to theirs. There is no comparison. Oh but there is when the numbers are deaths in 100,000. For the first decades of 2000, US had 8-11 gun-death per 100,000. Oz had around 1.2 per 100,000.

Our firearm deaths have always been much lower than the US even when we allowed people to have semi auto rifles and pump action shotguns for self defence.

The semi auto rifles we restricted were used in just over 1% of all firearm deaths from 1980-1995.

How much safer are we by banning a type of rifle used in just over 1% of all firearm deaths from 1980-1995?

If the bedwetting hoplophobes looked at the statistics they might realise they have been conned.

https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/productsbyCatalogue/9C85BD1298C075EACA2568A900139342?OpenDocument

Baronvonrort wrote on May 3^rd, 2023 at 5:04pm:

The semi auto rifles we restricted were used in just over 1% of all firearm deaths from 1980-1995.

And now, in this century, that figure has tripled..

Karnal wrote on May 3^rd, 2023 at 12:18am:

Guess where the cartels get the bulk of their illegal weapons from. Tip: it's a former Mexican state with liberal gun laws.

They got their firearms from Obamas Mexican gun running operation called Fast and Furious


Quote:

'Fast And Furious' Just Might Be President Obama's Watergate Why a gunrunning scandal codenamed "Fast and Furious," a program run secretly by the U.S. government that sent thousands of firearms over an international border and directly into the hands of criminals, hasn't been pursued by an army of reporters all trying to be the next Bob Woodward or Carl Bernstein is a story in itself. Fast and Furious was an operation so cloak-and-dagger Mexican authorities weren't even notified that thousands of semi-automatic firearms were being sold to people in Arizona thought to have links to Mexican drug cartels. According to ATF whistleblowers, in 2009 the U.S. government began instructing gun storeowners to break the law by selling firearms to suspected criminals. ATF agents then, again according to testimony by ATF agents turned whistleblowers, were ordered not to intercept the smugglers but rather to let the guns "walk" across the U.S.-Mexican border and into the hands of Mexican drug-trafficking organizations. A Jan. 8, 2010 briefing paper from the ATF Phoenix Field Division Group VII says: "This investigation has currently identified more than 20 individual connected straw purchasers…. To date (September 2009-present) this group has purchased in excess of 650 firearms (mainly AK-47 variants) for which they have paid cash totaling more than $350,000." This is an important fact because the U.S. Justice Department hasn't made it clear to tell congressional investigators when the Fast and Furious operation began and who authorized it; as a result, this ATF briefing paper's mention of September 2009 is thus far the earliest we can trace the operation. The next important event we know of occurred in October 2009 when the ATF's Phoenix Field Division established a gun-trafficking group called "Group VII." Group VII began using the strategy of allowing suspects to walk away with illegally purchased guns, according to a report from the U.S. House Oversight and Government Reform Committee and the staff of Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), ranking member of the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee. The report says, "The purpose was to wait and watch, in hope that law enforcement could identify other members of a trafficking network and build a large, complex conspiracy case…. Group VII initially began using the new gunwalking tactics in one of its investigations to further the Department's strategy. The case was soon renamed 'Operation Fast and Furious.'" This report and later official explanations from the ATF say the Fast and Furious program was created to deal with the problem that arresting low-level suspects doesn't necessarily help ATF agents get to the heads of Mexican cartels. On Oct. 26, 2009, a month or so after Fast and Furious seems to have been initiated, a document shows that a teleconference was held between 13 officials. One of the issues discussed was the possible "adoption of the Department's strategy for Combating Mexican Drug Cartels." The officials listed to have been in on the call included Kenneth Melson, who was then the director of the ATF, Robert Mueller, the director of the FBI and a number of attorneys with the U.S. Department of Justice. B. Todd Jones, the current director of the ATF, was not listed in the document, but the title he held in September 2009 is listed as being in on the conference call. Later in 2009 the ATF started the Fast and Furious program by allowing firearms to be smuggled from U.S. gun stores into the arsenals of Mexican criminal gangs. As these guns wouldn't be seen again until they resurfaced in crimes (there were no tracking devices installed or other means to trace these guns), the only purpose for letting these guns "walk" seems to be to back up the president's position that guns used in Mexican crimes mostly come from the U.S. (Though the Obama administration insists the gun sales were a part of a new crime-fighting technique.) More here- https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2011/09/28/fast-and-furious-just-might-be-president-obamas-watergate/?sh=3d1bf980752a

The leftards with TDS have forgotten about Obamas Mexican gun running scandal.

;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

yep,
thats one of the crazier ones.

china also gives the cartels weapons grade fentanyl to poison yanks with in exchange for mining rights to minerals for EV batteries.

oh heres a fun fact

the most common ethnicity of a person calling ICE  us immigration and customs enforcement in the state of california is a latino.  the latinos literally dont want illegals to stay.

neither, it seems , do the residents of marthas vinyard who couldnt make roon for even 1 busload of illegals  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

aquascoot wrote on May 3^rd, 2023 at 5:38pm:

yep, thats one of the crazier ones. china also gives the cartels weapons grade fentanyl to poison yanks with in exchange for mining rights to minerals for EV batteries. oh heres a fun fact the most common ethnicity of a person calling ICE  us immigration and customs enforcement in the state of california is a latino.  the latinos literally dont want illegals to stay. neither, it seems , do the residents of marthas vinyard who couldnt make roon for even 1 busload of illegals  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

My American friend said he was going to smoke some weed with a Mexican.

He asked him have you got any papers and the Mexican ran away

;D

Baronvonrort wrote on May 3^rd, 2023 at 5:51pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 5:38pm: yep, thats one of the crazier ones. china also gives the cartels weapons grade fentanyl to poison yanks with in exchange for mining rights to minerals for EV batteries. oh heres a fun fact the most common ethnicity of a person calling ICE  us immigration and customs enforcement in the state of california is a latino.  the latinos literally dont want illegals to stay. neither, it seems , do the residents of marthas vinyard who couldnt make roon for even 1 busload of illegals  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D My American friend ...

Yeah, I'm calling bullshit right there.

Baronvonrort wrote on May 3^rd, 2023 at 5:04pm:

looked at the statistics they might realise they have been conned.

Where exactly does it show that?
Australia has more than 3.5 million registered firearms, an average of four for each licensed gun owner. So 4% of population own a gun.

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, the U.S. International Trade Commission, and the Congressional Research Service in  2020 reported that 'the estimated total number of overall firearms in civilian possession is 433.9 million' in US of 332mill people. On the same basis of four guns each, that's 108mill owners or 30% of population, seven times the rate in Oz. That's very close to the actual gun death rate of 1.2 Oz to about 8 US per 100,000 people.

aquascoot wrote on May 3^rd, 2023 at 5:38pm:

yep, thats one of the crazier ones. china also gives the cartels weapons grade fentanyl to poison yanks with in exchange for mining rights to minerals for EV batteries. oh heres a fun fact the most common ethnicity of a person calling ICE  us immigration and customs enforcement in the state of california is a latino.  the latinos literally dont want illegals to stay. neither, it seems , do the residents of marthas vinyard who couldnt make roon for even 1 busload of illegals  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

No, dear, that's what we call a fun lie. Spitballing.


Quote:

Zoom in: Volunteers Thursday morning brought food, water, diapers and clothing to the church, which was bustling with families, state legislators, interpreters and other volunteers — a Herculean effort that the community can’t sustain long-term, Belcastro said. Neighbors walked over and delivered cash to a volunteer to give to Martha’s Vineyard Community Services, a nonprofit that’s providing food for the asylum seekers. Fernandes, state Rep. Jon Santiago and Massachusetts Health and Human Services Secretary Marylou Sudders visited the church Thursday afternoon to meet with organizers. Iván Espinoza-Madrigal, executive director of Lawyers for Civil Rights, said attorneys are trying to figure out how to handle appointments that migrants have with federal immigration authorities in the cities they were supposed to go. Asylum seekers go through a rigorous, often years-long process through immigration courts that requires them to check in with Immigration and Customs Enforcement periodically. Missing an appointment could be detrimental to their case. What’s next: Volunteers expect to keep the asylum seekers at the church for at least another day before they are taken to another part of Massachusetts, Belcastro says. It’s unclear where their next destination is, but Boston-based organizations have made preparations to take in the migrants. Local restaurants, nonprofits and officials have rallied around the group and offered enough food to last through Saturday, Belcastro says.

https://www.axios.com/2022/09/15/migrants-marthas-vineyard-immigration

Baronvonrort wrote on May 3^rd, 2023 at 5:04pm:

they have been conned.

“We need to at least have equal or better to what is out there in the community,” Police Union President Ian Leavers said.
Queensland Police like US Police know their chances against semi automatics. The .303 was OK in WWI, sort of worked in WWII and is now in museums.

Baronvonrort wrote on May 3^rd, 2023 at 5:15pm:

Karnal wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 12:18am: Guess where the cartels get the bulk of their illegal weapons from. Tip: it's a former Mexican state with liberal gun laws. They got their firearms from Obamas Mexican gun running operation called Fast and Furious Quote: 'Fast And Furious' Just Might Be President Obama's Watergate Why a gunrunning scandal codenamed "Fast and Furious," a program run secretly by the U.S. government that sent thousands of firearms over an international border and directly into the hands of criminals, hasn't been pursued by an army of reporters all trying to be the next Bob Woodward or Carl Bernstein is a story in itself. Fast and Furious was an operation so cloak-and-dagger Mexican authorities weren't even notified that thousands of semi-automatic firearms were being sold to people in Arizona thought to have links to Mexican drug cartels. According to ATF whistleblowers, in 2009 the U.S. government began instructing gun storeowners to break the law by selling firearms to suspected criminals. ATF agents then, again according to testimony by ATF agents turned whistleblowers, were ordered not to intercept the smugglers but rather to let the guns "walk" across the U.S.-Mexican border and into the hands of Mexican drug-trafficking organizations. A Jan. 8, 2010 briefing paper from the ATF Phoenix Field Division Group VII says: "This investigation has currently identified more than 20 individual connected straw purchasers…. To date (September 2009-present) this group has purchased in excess of 650 firearms (mainly AK-47 variants) for which they have paid cash totaling more than $350,000." This is an important fact because the U.S. Justice Department hasn't made it clear to tell congressional investigators when the Fast and Furious operation began and who authorized it; as a result, this ATF briefing paper's mention of September 2009 is thus far the earliest we can trace the operation. The next important event we know of occurred in October 2009 when the ATF's Phoenix Field Division established a gun-trafficking group called "Group VII." Group VII began using the strategy of allowing suspects to walk away with illegally purchased guns, according to a report from the U.S. House Oversight and Government Reform Committee and the staff of Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), ranking member of the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee. The report says, "The purpose was to wait and watch, in hope that law enforcement could identify other members of a trafficking network and build a large, complex conspiracy case…. Group VII initially began using the new gunwalking tactics in one of its investigations to further the Department's strategy. The case was soon renamed 'Operation Fast and Furious.'" This report and later official explanations from the ATF say the Fast and Furious program was created to deal with the problem that arresting low-level suspects doesn't necessarily help ATF agents get to the heads of Mexican cartels. On Oct. 26, 2009, a month or so after Fast and Furious seems to have been initiated, a document shows that a teleconference was held between 13 officials. One of the issues discussed was the possible "adoption of the Department's strategy for Combating Mexican Drug Cartels." The officials listed to have been in on the call included Kenneth Melson, who was then the director of the ATF, Robert Mueller, the director of the FBI and a number of attorneys with the U.S. Department of Justice. B. Todd Jones, the current director of the ATF, was not listed in the document, but the title he held in September 2009 is listed as being in on the conference call. Later in 2009 the ATF started the Fast and Furious program by allowing firearms to be smuggled from U.S. gun stores into the arsenals of Mexican criminal gangs. As these guns wouldn't be seen again until they resurfaced in crimes (there were no tracking devices installed or other means to trace these guns), the only purpose for letting these guns "walk" seems to be to back up the president's position that guns used in Mexican crimes mostly come from the U.S. (Though the Obama administration insists the gun sales were a part of a new crime-fighting technique.) More here- https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2011/09/28/fast-and-furious-just-might-be-president-obamas-watergate/?sh=3d1bf980752a The leftards with TDS have forgotten about Obamas Mexican gun running scandal. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Strange. An army of journalists have covered this story in the fake news media, Baron.

Thanks for the info though - I had never heard of this. Why did the ATF conduct this operation?

Karnal wrote on May 3^rd, 2023 at 7:51pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 5:15pm: Karnal wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 12:18am: Guess where the cartels get the bulk of their illegal weapons from. Tip: it's a former Mexican state with liberal gun laws. They got their firearms from Obamas Mexican gun running operation called Fast and Furious Quote: 'Fast And Furious' Just Might Be President Obama's Watergate Why a gunrunning scandal codenamed "Fast and Furious," a program run secretly by the U.S. government that sent thousands of firearms over an international border and directly into the hands of criminals, hasn't been pursued by an army of reporters all trying to be the next Bob Woodward or Carl Bernstein is a story in itself. Fast and Furious was an operation so cloak-and-dagger Mexican authorities weren't even notified that thousands of semi-automatic firearms were being sold to people in Arizona thought to have links to Mexican drug cartels. According to ATF whistleblowers, in 2009 the U.S. government began instructing gun storeowners to break the law by selling firearms to suspected criminals. ATF agents then, again according to testimony by ATF agents turned whistleblowers, were ordered not to intercept the smugglers but rather to let the guns "walk" across the U.S.-Mexican border and into the hands of Mexican drug-trafficking organizations. A Jan. 8, 2010 briefing paper from the ATF Phoenix Field Division Group VII says: "This investigation has currently identified more than 20 individual connected straw purchasers…. To date (September 2009-present) this group has purchased in excess of 650 firearms (mainly AK-47 variants) for which they have paid cash totaling more than $350,000." This is an important fact because the U.S. Justice Department hasn't made it clear to tell congressional investigators when the Fast and Furious operation began and who authorized it; as a result, this ATF briefing paper's mention of September 2009 is thus far the earliest we can trace the operation. The next important event we know of occurred in October 2009 when the ATF's Phoenix Field Division established a gun-trafficking group called "Group VII." Group VII began using the strategy of allowing suspects to walk away with illegally purchased guns, according to a report from the U.S. House Oversight and Government Reform Committee and the staff of Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), ranking member of the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee. The report says, "The purpose was to wait and watch, in hope that law enforcement could identify other members of a trafficking network and build a large, complex conspiracy case…. Group VII initially began using the new gunwalking tactics in one of its investigations to further the Department's strategy. The case was soon renamed 'Operation Fast and Furious.'" This report and later official explanations from the ATF say the Fast and Furious program was created to deal with the problem that arresting low-level suspects doesn't necessarily help ATF agents get to the heads of Mexican cartels. On Oct. 26, 2009, a month or so after Fast and Furious seems to have been initiated, a document shows that a teleconference was held between 13 officials. One of the issues discussed was the possible "adoption of the Department's strategy for Combating Mexican Drug Cartels." The officials listed to have been in on the call included Kenneth Melson, who was then the director of the ATF, Robert Mueller, the director of the FBI and a number of attorneys with the U.S. Department of Justice. B. Todd Jones, the current director of the ATF, was not listed in the document, but the title he held in September 2009 is listed as being in on the conference call. Later in 2009 the ATF started the Fast and Furious program by allowing firearms to be smuggled from U.S. gun stores into the arsenals of Mexican criminal gangs. As these guns wouldn't be seen again until they resurfaced in crimes (there were no tracking devices installed or other means to trace these guns), the only purpose for letting these guns "walk" seems to be to back up the president's position that guns used in Mexican crimes mostly come from the U.S. (Though the Obama administration insists the gun sales were a part of a new crime-fighting technique.) More here- https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2011/09/28/fast-and-furious-just-might-be-president-obamas-watergate/?sh=3d1bf980752a The leftards with TDS have forgotten about Obamas Mexican gun running scandal. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D Strange. An army of journalists have covered this story in the fake news media, Baron. Thanks for the info though - I had never heard of this. Why did the ATF conduct this operation?

They only started to cover it when it couldn't be covered up any longer.

The question should be why did they democRats have this gun running operation?

Not the last time democRats give guns to foreigners just look at the billions in weapons they gave the Taliban.

Karnal wrote on May 3^rd, 2023 at 6:42pm:

aquascoot wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 5:38pm: yep, thats one of the crazier ones. china also gives the cartels weapons grade fentanyl to poison yanks with in exchange for mining rights to minerals for EV batteries. oh heres a fun fact the most common ethnicity of a person calling ICE  us immigration and customs enforcement in the state of california is a latino.  the latinos literally dont want illegals to stay. neither, it seems , do the residents of marthas vinyard who couldnt make roon for even 1 busload of illegals  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D No, dear, that's what we call a fun lie. Spitballing. Quote: Zoom in: Volunteers Thursday morning brought food, water, diapers and clothing to the church, which was bustling with families, state legislators, interpreters and other volunteers — a Herculean effort that the community can’t sustain long-term, Belcastro said. Neighbors walked over and delivered cash to a volunteer to give to Martha’s Vineyard Community Services, a nonprofit that’s providing food for the asylum seekers. Fernandes, state Rep. Jon Santiago and Massachusetts Health and Human Services Secretary Marylou Sudders visited the church Thursday afternoon to meet with organizers. Iván Espinoza-Madrigal, executive director of Lawyers for Civil Rights, said attorneys are trying to figure out how to handle appointments that migrants have with federal immigration authorities in the cities they were supposed to go. Asylum seekers go through a rigorous, often years-long process through immigration courts that requires them to check in with Immigration and Customs Enforcement periodically. Missing an appointment could be detrimental to their case. What’s next: Volunteers expect to keep the asylum seekers at the church for at least another day before they are taken to another part of Massachusetts, Belcastro says. It’s unclear where their next destination is, but Boston-based organizations have made preparations to take in the migrants. Local restaurants, nonprofits and officials have rallied around the group and offered enough food to last through Saturday, Belcastro says. https://www.axios.com/2022/09/15/migrants-marthas-vineyard-immigration

These illegals were put on the ferry and removed from Marthas Vineyard within 24 hours.

All those empty mansions and they claim there was no room.
Obama could have housed them in his mansion.
;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

MV is 99% white the leftist NIMBYs only have POC there to clean and do gardening

chimera wrote on May 3^rd, 2023 at 6:36pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 5:04pm: looked at the statistics they might realise they have been conned. Where exactly does it show that? Australia has more than 3.5 million registered firearms, an average of four for each licensed gun owner. So 4% of population own a gun.

We banned people from having a type of rifle that was used in just over 1% of all firearm deaths from 1980-1995 how much safer did that make us?

If we exclude family shootings and only count random public mass shootings then we only had Hoddle st, Queen st , Strathfield and Port Arthur for a grand total of 4 mass shootings. How common were public mass shootings here when we only had 4?

We have far more than 3.5 million registered firearms here i see you're quoting numbers from Philip Alpers from gunpolicy.org who failed to impose gun control in NZ then came here.
https://www.ssaa.org.au/?ss_news=philip-alpers-a-most-dubious-researcher

We have over 6 million registered firearms with over 2 million firearm licence holders here. Our license and firearm numbers have doubled since 1996 while our population has increased from 17 to 25 million people.

Page 63 for firearm and license numbers.
https://www.acic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-08/crimtrac_ar_2015-16_final_071016.pdf

Our firearm crimes have decreased while firearm numbers have increased more legally owned guns has resulted in less firearm deaths an inconvenient truth for bedwetting hoplophobes.

NSW Police minister Troy Grant says at 1 min 15 sec Greater than 97% of all firearm crimes done by criminals with illegal guns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKXLxKX8RgQ

Baronvonrort wrote on May 3^rd, 2023 at 7:56pm:

Karnal wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 7:51pm: Baronvonrort wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 5:15pm: Karnal wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 12:18am: Guess where the cartels get the bulk of their illegal weapons from. Tip: it's a former Mexican state with liberal gun laws. They got their firearms from Obamas Mexican gun running operation called Fast and Furious Quote: 'Fast And Furious' Just Might Be President Obama's Watergate Why a gunrunning scandal codenamed "Fast and Furious," a program run secretly by the U.S. government that sent thousands of firearms over an international border and directly into the hands of criminals, hasn't been pursued by an army of reporters all trying to be the next Bob Woodward or Carl Bernstein is a story in itself. Fast and Furious was an operation so cloak-and-dagger Mexican authorities weren't even notified that thousands of semi-automatic firearms were being sold to people in Arizona thought to have links to Mexican drug cartels. According to ATF whistleblowers, in 2009 the U.S. government began instructing gun storeowners to break the law by selling firearms to suspected criminals. ATF agents then, again according to testimony by ATF agents turned whistleblowers, were ordered not to intercept the smugglers but rather to let the guns "walk" across the U.S.-Mexican border and into the hands of Mexican drug-trafficking organizations. A Jan. 8, 2010 briefing paper from the ATF Phoenix Field Division Group VII says: "This investigation has currently identified more than 20 individual connected straw purchasers…. To date (September 2009-present) this group has purchased in excess of 650 firearms (mainly AK-47 variants) for which they have paid cash totaling more than $350,000." This is an important fact because the U.S. Justice Department hasn't made it clear to tell congressional investigators when the Fast and Furious operation began and who authorized it; as a result, this ATF briefing paper's mention of September 2009 is thus far the earliest we can trace the operation. The next important event we know of occurred in October 2009 when the ATF's Phoenix Field Division established a gun-trafficking group called "Group VII." Group VII began using the strategy of allowing suspects to walk away with illegally purchased guns, according to a report from the U.S. House Oversight and Government Reform Committee and the staff of Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), ranking member of the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee. The report says, "The purpose was to wait and watch, in hope that law enforcement could identify other members of a trafficking network and build a large, complex conspiracy case…. Group VII initially began using the new gunwalking tactics in one of its investigations to further the Department's strategy. The case was soon renamed 'Operation Fast and Furious.'" This report and later official explanations from the ATF say the Fast and Furious program was created to deal with the problem that arresting low-level suspects doesn't necessarily help ATF agents get to the heads of Mexican cartels. On Oct. 26, 2009, a month or so after Fast and Furious seems to have been initiated, a document shows that a teleconference was held between 13 officials. One of the issues discussed was the possible "adoption of the Department's strategy for Combating Mexican Drug Cartels." The officials listed to have been in on the call included Kenneth Melson, who was then the director of the t director of the ATF, was not listed in the document, but the title he held in September 2009 is listed as being in on the conference call. Later in 2009 the ATF started the Fast and Furious program by allowing firearms to be smuggled from U.S. gun stores into the arsenals of Mexican criminal gangs. As these guns wouldn't be seen again until they resurfaced in crimes (there were no tracking devices installed or other means to trace these guns), the only purpose for letting these guns "walk" seems to be to back up the president's position that guns used in Mexican crimes mostly come from the U.S. (Though the Obama administration insists the gun sales were a part of a new crime-fighting technique.) More here- https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2011/09/28/fast-and-furious-just-might-be-president-obamas-watergate/?sh=3d1bf980752a The leftards with TDS have forgotten about Obamas Mexican gun running scandal. ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D Strange. An army of journalists have covered this story in the fake news media, Baron. Thanks for the info though - I had never heard of this. Why did the ATF conduct this operation? They only started to cover it when it couldn't be covered up any longer. The question should be why did they democRats have this gun running operation? Not the last time democRats give guns to foreigners just look at the billions in weapons they gave the Taliban.

It's got nothing to do with Democrats, Baron. Why did the ATF conduct that operation?

It's a simple legal/operational question. What was the objective?

i matty

fake news you reckon


care to check out the house judiciary committee report   ;D ;D ;D ;D

https://judiciary.house.gov/media/in-the-news/atf-set-to-destroy-guns-associated-with-obama-era-fast-and-furious-scandal#:~:text=Operation%20Fast%20and%20Furious%20was,known%20or%20suspected%20straw%20purchasers.

Baronvonrort wrote on May 3^rd, 2023 at 8:13pm:

We banned people from having a type of rifle that was used in just over 1% of all firearm deaths from 1980-1995 how much safer did that make us?

I quoted the Qld police on semi automatics. The Police work for the state which makes gun laws.
As a trend, more guns mean more dead : wives, kids, cops, internet warriors.

aquascoot wrote on May 3^rd, 2023 at 8:44pm:

i matty fake news you reckon care to check out the house judiciary committee report   ;D ;D ;D ;D https://judiciary.house.gov/media/in-the-news/atf-set-to-destroy-guns-associated-with-obama-era-fast-and-furious-scandal#:~:text=Operation%20Fast%20and%20Furious%20was,known%20or%20suspected%20straw%20purchasers.

Of course it's not fake news. It's an example of American weapons ending up in the hands of the country ranking third in the number of gun deaths.

I'm not contesting the fake news, dear. I'm asking why the ATF launched such an operation.

Looks like you've read up. Would you care to offer a reply?

No need for porkies this time, Aquascoot, feel free to tell it like it is.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 3^rd, 2023 at 5:13pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 5:04pm: The semi auto rifles we restricted were used in just over 1% of all firearm deaths from 1980-1995. And now, in this century, that figure has tripled..

It's all in the plan, divide people by race, class or ideology. Destroy the family unit and propagandize children to believe other people are responsible for their lot in life. Bigger Government isn't the solution, it is the problem!

They got em.



https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/03/us/cleveland-texas-shooting-fransisco-oropesa-arrest-wednesday/index.html

Several arrests made after Texas massacre suspect found in a closet miles from the crime scene, authorities say. Here’s what we know about what led to his capture


By Ed Lavandera, Josh Campbell and Elizabeth Wolfe, CNN


Updated 8:36 AM EDT, Wed May 3, 2023





In addition to accused gunman Francisco Oropesa, fewer than five others have been arrested, Chief Deputy Tim Kean of the San Jacinto County Sheriff’s Office said. “But I can’t go into the details.”

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Authorities also are waiting to learn whether the mass shooting weapon has been recovered. “As of now, we may have the weapon, but we have to wait for ballistics (testing),” Kean said at a news conference outside the jail where Oropesa is now being held after a dayslong manhunt.
Cleveland, Texas, Mass shooting suspect Francisco Oropesa FBI Houston Tweet: Here are the newest images of Francisco Oropesa and a prominent tattoo on his left forearm. Going forward, the subject's last name will be spelled "Oropesa" to better reflect his identity in law enforcement systems. This remains a fluid investigation. #ClevelandTXShooting

Texas massacre suspect discovered hiding in a closet and taken into custody, ending dayslong manhunt, officials say

A 38-year-old Mexican national, Oropesa was found Tuesday evening stowed under a pile of laundry in a closet just a few miles from the massacre site after a tip helped lead authorities to him, San Jacinto County Sheriff Greg Capers said Tuesday. Law enforcement also tracked Oropesa’s wife to the home, which is associated with one of the suspect’s family members, a law enforcement source told CNN.

Oropesa will be held on five counts of murder, with bond set at $5 million, the sheriff’s office said.

The suspect is expected to appear in court Wednesday to be read the charges, a source with the San Jacinto County District Attorney’s Office told CNN, adding the charges could be upgraded to capital murder – a death penalty offense in Texas. Authorities are still investigating whether he had any help in evading arrest, the San Jacinto County district attorney told CNN.

Not just Texas:


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One Dead and 4 Injured in Shooting at Atlanta Medical Building, Police Say The authorities said they were “actively searching” for a 24-year-old suspect after the shooting in the city’s Midtown commercial district. . . .the gunman fired shots inside a waiting room on the 11th floor of a Northside Hospital medical office, killing a 39-year-old woman and injuring four others. All of the victims were women, Chief Schierbaum said. The police have not detailed a possible motive for the shooting. It came as the country continues to reel from incessant acts of gun violence.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/03/us/atlanta-shooting.html

Really is time for the septics to do something about the idiotic gun culture.

Mortdooley wrote on May 3^rd, 2023 at 10:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 5:13pm: Baronvonrort wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 5:04pm: The semi auto rifles we restricted were used in just over 1% of all firearm deaths from 1980-1995. And now, in this century, that figure has tripled.. It's all in the plan, divide people by race, class or ideology. Destroy the family unit and propagandize children to believe other people are responsible for their lot in life. Bigger Government isn't the solution, it is the problem!

I know, right? They're rapists, they're murderers, they bring in drugs and some, I assume, are good people.

We need to put an immediate stop to these people UNTIL WE CAN WORK OUT WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON.

Karnal wrote on May 4^th, 2023 at 9:21am:

Mortdooley wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 10:36pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 5:13pm: Baronvonrort wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 5:04pm: The semi auto rifles we restricted were used in just over 1% of all firearm deaths from 1980-1995. And now, in this century, that figure has tripled.. It's all in the plan, divide people by race, class or ideology. Destroy the family unit and propagandize children to believe other people are responsible for their lot in life. Bigger Government isn't the solution, it is the problem! I know, right? They're rapists, they're murderers, they bring in drugs and some, I assume, are good people. We need to put an immediate stop to these people UNTIL WE CAN WORK OUT WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON.

The Trump family?   :-/

greggerypeccary wrote on May 4^th, 2023 at 9:54am:

Karnal wrote on May 4th, 2023 at 9:21am: Mortdooley wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 10:36pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 5:13pm: Baronvonrort wrote on May 3rd, 2023 at 5:04pm: The semi auto rifles we restricted were used in just over 1% of all firearm deaths from 1980-1995. And now, in this century, that figure has tripled.. It's all in the plan, divide people by race, class or ideology. Destroy the family unit and propagandize children to believe other people are responsible for their lot in life. Bigger Government isn't the solution, it is the problem! I know, right? They're rapists, they're murderers, they bring in drugs and some, I assume, are good people. We need to put an immediate stop to these people UNTIL WE CAN WORK OUT WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON. The Trump family?   :-/

No, I think he was referring to Mexicans. The other ones are Muslims. Mind you, he wasn't a big fan of Black Lives Matter either. Or leftards, or RINOs, or Rosie O'Donnell.

It's a bit hard to work out who, exactly, he did like. Kim Jong Un, MBS and Vlad were definitely up there. He was okay with Saudi Muslims, Turks too.

He does business with them, you see. He liked Confederates as well - they made great statues. His grandfather was in the KKK, did you know that? The big fella was into racehorse theory.

You?

Karnal wrote on May 4^th, 2023 at 9:21am:

We need to put an immediate stop to these people UNTIL WE CAN WORK OUT WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON.

You got that right

The madness just goes on:


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At Least 9 Dead, Including Gunman, in Shooting at Texas Mall A police officer on an unrelated assignment nearby rushed toward the sounds of gunfire and killed the gunman.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/06/us/allen-mall-texas-shooting.html

So we arm teachers, waittresses. . .CRAP!

Jovial Monk wrote on May 7^th, 2023 at 4:22pm:

The madness just goes on: Quote: At Least 9 Dead, Including Gunman, in Shooting at Texas Mall A police officer on an unrelated assignment nearby rushed toward the sounds of gunfire and killed the gunman. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/06/us/allen-mall-texas-shooting.html So we arm teachers, waittresses. . .CRAP!

Everyone.  You must arm every man, woman, and child in America.

The more people with guns, the less shootings there will be.

That's actually what the brain-dead Republicans "think".

A Mexican National murders five Honduran Nationals in Texas and somehow you want to blame people who demand a secure border. Many, many ills could be cured with a secure border. Actually it would be great if we could have a border that is not little more than lines on a map!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfsjUnfoJ14

Mortdooley wrote on May 7^th, 2023 at 10:33pm:

A Mexican National murders five Honduran Nationals in Texas and somehow you want to blame people who demand a secure border. Many, many ills could be cured with a secure border. Actually it would be great if we could have a border that is not little more than lines on a map! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfsjUnfoJ14

Oh, I see. Not guilty, eh?

They're tinted.

Karnal wrote on May 7^th, 2023 at 10:44pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 7th, 2023 at 10:33pm: A Mexican National murders five Honduran Nationals in Texas and somehow you want to blame people who demand a secure border. Many, many ills could be cured with a secure border. Actually it would be great if we could have a border that is not little more than lines on a map! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfsjUnfoJ14 Oh, I see. Not guilty, eh? They're tinted.

You do know it was illegal for the illegal alien from Mexico to possess a firearm, right?

Mortdooley wrote on May 7^th, 2023 at 11:27pm:

Karnal wrote on May 7th, 2023 at 10:44pm: Mortdooley wrote on May 7th, 2023 at 10:33pm: A Mexican National murders five Honduran Nationals in Texas and somehow you want to blame people who demand a secure border. Many, many ills could be cured with a secure border. Actually it would be great if we could have a border that is not little more than lines on a map! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfsjUnfoJ14 Oh, I see. Not guilty, eh? They're tinted. You do know it was illegal for the illegal alien from Mexico to possess a firearm, right?

That's unfair, Mort. What about your constitution?

Karnal wrote on May 8^th, 2023 at 12:19am:

Mortdooley wrote on May 7th, 2023 at 11:27pm: Karnal wrote on May 7th, 2023 at 10:44pm: Mortdooley wrote on May 7th, 2023 at 10:33pm: A Mexican National murders five Honduran Nationals in Texas and somehow you want to blame people who demand a secure border. Many, many ills could be cured with a secure border. Actually it would be great if we could have a border that is not little more than lines on a map! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfsjUnfoJ14 Oh, I see. Not guilty, eh? They're tinted. You do know it was illegal for the illegal alien from Mexico to possess a firearm, right? That's unfair, Mort. What about your constitution?

You would know "what about the constitution" if you had ever read a 4473!

Well Brian of the Australian (Boutique-Gay) Defence Force wants to Draft (Enslave) Australian Citizens and give them GUNS to go fight his battles for him.
American Citizens are just more eager and patriotic. ;)

We can't have illegals with illegal guns, only legals should be illegal. Congress is illegal and the 2nd Amend makes it legal to shoot-up the swamp rat vote-stealers. 24/7.

Mortdooley wrote on May 7^th, 2023 at 11:27pm:

Karnal wrote on May 7th, 2023 at 10:44pm: Mortdooley wrote on May 7th, 2023 at 10:33pm: A Mexican National murders five Honduran Nationals in Texas and somehow you want to blame people who demand a secure border. Many, many ills could be cured with a secure border. Actually it would be great if we could have a border that is not little more than lines on a map! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfsjUnfoJ14 Oh, I see. Not guilty, eh? They're tinted. You do know it was illegal for the illegal alien from Mexico to possess a firearm, right?

And it was illegal for criminal defendant Trump to let him into the country.

Oh dear   ::)

Mortdooley wrote on May 8^th, 2023 at 3:14am:

Karnal wrote on May 8th, 2023 at 12:19am: Mortdooley wrote on May 7th, 2023 at 11:27pm: Karnal wrote on May 7th, 2023 at 10:44pm: Mortdooley wrote on May 7th, 2023 at 10:33pm: A Mexican National murders five Honduran Nationals in Texas and somehow you want to blame people who demand a secure border. Many, many ills could be cured with a secure border. Actually it would be great if we could have a border that is not little more than lines on a map! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfsjUnfoJ14 Oh, I see. Not guilty, eh? They're tinted. You do know it was illegal for the illegal alien from Mexico to possess a firearm, right? That's unfair, Mort. What about your constitution? You would know "what about the constitution" if you had ever read a 4473!

No no, I believe your constitution permits the right to bear arms, correct? It's a right so sacred and holy, it is believed to have been granted by Jesus Himself.

So I'm curious. Where would a gun owner's dual citizenship come into play? Are you seeking to deny a fellow soul's God-given rights?

So unfair. What right will you seek to deny next?

His parental rights? His right to identify as male? His right to vote Trump?

Christians aren't perfect, Mort, just forgiven.

You?

We were warned this would happen and the media and corrupt government pretend the shooter was a Mexican, White Supremist Nazi.

https://i.postimg.cc/wBshsVdw/ms-13.jpg

Now identified as Mauricio Garcia, doesn't sound Irish to me!

Mortdooley wrote on May 8^th, 2023 at 9:46pm:

We were warned this would happen and the media and corrupt government pretend the shooter was a Mexican, White Supremist Nazi. Now identified as Mauricio Garcia, doesn't sound Irish to me!

You're getting your mass shootings mixed up, morty.

Mauricio Garcia is the guy who shot up the mall in Allen, Texas.

"Reports that Garcia was wearing a patch that read "RWDS" - which reportedly stands for "Right Wing Death Squad" - have led to significant discussion and speculation about his motivation."

He's a right-wing extremist - just like you.

Now, this thread is about a shooting in someone's yard near Houston.

Do you even know what day it is, dear?

greggerypeccary wrote on May 8^th, 2023 at 10:10pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 8th, 2023 at 9:46pm: We were warned this would happen and the media and corrupt government pretend the shooter was a Mexican, White Supremist Nazi. Now identified as Mauricio Garcia, doesn't sound Irish to me! You're getting your mass shootings mixed up, morty. Mauricio Garcia is the guy who shot up the mall in Allen, Texas. "Reports that Garcia was wearing a patch that read "RWDS" - which reportedly stands for "Right Wing Death Squad" - have led to significant discussion and speculation about his motivation." He's a right-wing extremist - just like you. Now, this thread is about a shooting in someone's yard near Houston. Do you even know what day it is, dear?

Over time you will see things are not as they are reported. Nice patch but doesn't prove who had it on their clothes. It seems a hard sell to convince the public a cartel thug is a white supremist. 

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/6731/HW8Fac.jpg

::) ::)

Mortdooley wrote on May 8^th, 2023 at 11:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 8th, 2023 at 10:10pm: Mortdooley wrote on May 8th, 2023 at 9:46pm: We were warned this would happen and the media and corrupt government pretend the shooter was a Mexican, White Supremist Nazi. Now identified as Mauricio Garcia, doesn't sound Irish to me! You're getting your mass shootings mixed up, morty. Mauricio Garcia is the guy who shot up the mall in Allen, Texas. "Reports that Garcia was wearing a patch that read "RWDS" - which reportedly stands for "Right Wing Death Squad" - have led to significant discussion and speculation about his motivation." He's a right-wing extremist - just like you. Now, this thread is about a shooting in someone's yard near Houston. Do you even know what day it is, dear? Over time you will see things are not as they are reported.

Nobody mentioned white supremacy, dear.

The police - not the media - said he had ties to right-wing extremism.

You're still getting your Texas mass shootings mixed up.  Try to focus.

Karnal wrote on May 8^th, 2023 at 12:27pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 8th, 2023 at 3:14am: Karnal wrote on May 8th, 2023 at 12:19am: Mortdooley wrote on May 7th, 2023 at 11:27pm: Karnal wrote on May 7th, 2023 at 10:44pm: Mortdooley wrote on May 7th, 2023 at 10:33pm: A Mexican National murders five Honduran Nationals in Texas and somehow you want to blame people who demand a secure border. Many, many ills could be cured with a secure border. Actually it would be great if we could have a border that is not little more than lines on a map! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfsjUnfoJ14 Oh, I see. Not guilty, eh? They're tinted. You do know it was illegal for the illegal alien from Mexico to possess a firearm, right? That's unfair, Mort. What about your constitution? You would know "what about the constitution" if you had ever read a 4473! No no, I believe your constitution permits the right to bear arms, correct? It's a right so sacred and holy, it is believed to have been granted by Jesus Himself. So I'm curious. Where would a gun owner's dual citizenship come into play? Are you seeking to deny a fellow soul's God-given rights? So unfair. What right will you seek to deny next? His parental rights? His right to identify as male? His right to vote Trump? Christians aren't perfect, Mort, just forgiven. You?

You don't know the difference between a Right and permission.

https://i.postimg.cc/v84Cp9yG/naturalrights.jpg

The difference between countries is that yours doesn't recognize basic human rights. Maybe it is because you were taught to bend the knee to your betters and we ran the British Empire out of our country!

greggerypeccary wrote on May 8^th, 2023 at 10:10pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 8th, 2023 at 9:46pm: We were warned this would happen and the media and corrupt government pretend the shooter was a Mexican, White Supremist Nazi. Now identified as Mauricio Garcia, doesn't sound Irish to me! You're getting your mass shootings mixed up, morty. Mauricio Garcia is the guy who shot up the mall in Allen, Texas. "Reports that Garcia was wearing a patch that read "RWDS" - which reportedly stands for "Right Wing Death Squad" - have led to significant discussion and speculation about his motivation." He's a right-wing extremist - just like you. Now, this thread is about a shooting in someone's yard near Houston. Do you even know what day it is, dear?

Try to keep up, the thread has moved on. We are no longer considering the Mexican who murdered five Hondurans on American soil. He has been captured, now we are looking into the actions of a different Mexican!

Mortdooley wrote on May 9^th, 2023 at 8:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 8th, 2023 at 10:10pm: Mortdooley wrote on May 8th, 2023 at 9:46pm: We were warned this would happen and the media and corrupt government pretend the shooter was a Mexican, White Supremist Nazi. Now identified as Mauricio Garcia, doesn't sound Irish to me! You're getting your mass shootings mixed up, morty. Mauricio Garcia is the guy who shot up the mall in Allen, Texas. "Reports that Garcia was wearing a patch that read "RWDS" - which reportedly stands for "Right Wing Death Squad" - have led to significant discussion and speculation about his motivation." He's a right-wing extremist - just like you. Now, this thread is about a shooting in someone's yard near Houston. Do you even know what day it is, dear? Try to keep up, the thread has moved on. We are no longer considering the Mexican who murdered five Hondurans on American soil. He has been captured, now we are looking into the actions of a different Mexican!

The problem with neither was that they were Mexican. the problem is they had too many guns and wanted to shoot people with them. - "Its the guns stupid"

This Mexican was a white nationalist who had been thrown out of the army for being too crazy and too racist.

Of course under the current redefined second amendment it is perfectly ok the be a white nationalist - crazy fascist person and your right to have about 50 guns is protected.

https://i.postimg.cc/4yQj5Dqw/translator.jpg

It isn't the guns, it's the culture brought to us by the progressives. We have had most of the same guns for more than a century but this problem didn't start until liberalism gained power!

Mortdooley wrote on May 9^th, 2023 at 9:19pm:

It isn't the guns, ...

Oh, it most certainly is the guns.

Unless you can provide a link to a mass shooting that didn't involve a gun, or maybe show us where someone died from a gunshot wound when there were no guns involved.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 9^th, 2023 at 9:24pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 9th, 2023 at 9:19pm: It isn't the guns, ... Oh, it most certainly is the guns. Unless you can provide a link to a mass shooting that didn't involve a gun, or maybe show us where someone died from a gunshot wound when there were no guns involved.

I have never known of a gun shooting by its own choice. It always takes human interaction but far be it for some people to put all the blame on the human!

Mortdooley wrote on May 9^th, 2023 at 9:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 9th, 2023 at 9:24pm: Mortdooley wrote on May 9th, 2023 at 9:19pm: It isn't the guns, ... Oh, it most certainly is the guns. Unless you can provide a link to a mass shooting that didn't involve a gun, or maybe show us where someone died from a gunshot wound when there were no guns involved. I have never known of a gun shooting by its own choice. It always takes human interaction but far be it for some people to put all the blame on the human!

Take the gun out of the equation and nobody gets shot. Everyone goes home alive.

The person is going to be there, there is nothing can be done about that. The gun on the other hand is optional. It isn't about blame it is about solutions.

No gun = no mass shooting 100% of the time.

Mortdooley wrote on May 9^th, 2023 at 9:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 9th, 2023 at 9:24pm: Mortdooley wrote on May 9th, 2023 at 9:19pm: It isn't the guns, ... Oh, it most certainly is the guns. Unless you can provide a link to a mass shooting that didn't involve a gun, or maybe show us where someone died from a gunshot wound when there were no guns involved. I have never known of a gun shooting by its own choice. It always takes human interaction but far be it for some people to put all the blame on the human!

Quote:

but far be it for some people to put all the blame on the human!

Why do these humans not do this in every civilised country in the world ? OH sorry that is right - sensible Gun Control. It works.

Mortdooley wrote on May 9^th, 2023 at 8:48pm:

Karnal wrote on May 8th, 2023 at 12:27pm: Mortdooley wrote on May 8th, 2023 at 3:14am: Karnal wrote on May 8th, 2023 at 12:19am: Mortdooley wrote on May 7th, 2023 at 11:27pm: Karnal wrote on May 7th, 2023 at 10:44pm: Mortdooley wrote on May 7th, 2023 at 10:33pm: A Mexican National murders five Honduran Nationals in Texas and somehow you want to blame people who demand a secure border. Many, many ills could be cured with a secure border. Actually it would be great if we could have a border that is not little more than lines on a map! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfsjUnfoJ14 Oh, I see. Not guilty, eh? They're tinted. You do know it was illegal for the illegal alien from Mexico to possess a firearm, right? That's unfair, Mort. What about your constitution? You would know "what about the constitution" if you had ever read a 4473! No no, I believe your constitution permits the right to bear arms, correct? It's a right so sacred and holy, it is believed to have been granted by Jesus Himself. So I'm curious. Where would a gun owner's dual citizenship come into play? Are you seeking to deny a fellow soul's God-given rights? So unfair. What right will you seek to deny next? His parental rights? His right to identify as male? His right to vote Trump? Christians aren't perfect, Mort, just forgiven. You? You don't know the difference between a Right and permission. https://i.postimg.cc/v84Cp9yG/naturalrights.jpg The difference between countries is that yours doesn't recognize basic human rights. Maybe it is because you were taught to bend the knee to your betters and we ran the British Empire out of our country!

That is most certainly true, Mort, but I'm curious.

Why are you trying to deny dual citizens the right to bear arms?

Who else do you deny?

Injuns? Negroids? Aliens? White trash?

Who?

Dnarever wrote on May 9^th, 2023 at 10:06pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 9th, 2023 at 9:42pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 9th, 2023 at 9:24pm: Mortdooley wrote on May 9th, 2023 at 9:19pm: It isn't the guns, ... Oh, it most certainly is the guns. Unless you can provide a link to a mass shooting that didn't involve a gun, or maybe show us where someone died from a gunshot wound when there were no guns involved. I have never known of a gun shooting by its own choice. It always takes human interaction but far be it for some people to put all the blame on the human! Quote: but far be it for some people to put all the blame on the human! Why do these humans not do this in every civilised country in the world ? OH sorry that is right - sensible Gun Control. It works.

We deny all human citizens the right to unlicensed firearms, Dnarever.

It would seem Mort only wants to deny them to some humans.

You?

Karnal wrote on May 9^th, 2023 at 10:37pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 9th, 2023 at 8:48pm: Karnal wrote on May 8th, 2023 at 12:27pm: Mortdooley wrote on May 8th, 2023 at 3:14am: Karnal wrote on May 8th, 2023 at 12:19am: Mortdooley wrote on May 7th, 2023 at 11:27pm: Karnal wrote on May 7th, 2023 at 10:44pm: Mortdooley wrote on May 7th, 2023 at 10:33pm: A Mexican National murders five Honduran Nationals in Texas and somehow you want to blame people who demand a secure border. Many, many ills could be cured with a secure border. Actually it would be great if we could have a border that is not little more than lines on a map! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfsjUnfoJ14 Oh, I see. Not guilty, eh? They're tinted. You do know it was illegal for the illegal alien from Mexico to possess a firearm, right? That's unfair, Mort. What about your constitution? You would know "what about the constitution" if you had ever read a 4473! No no, I believe your constitution permits the right to bear arms, correct? It's a right so sacred and holy, it is believed to have been granted by Jesus Himself. So I'm curious. Where would a gun owner's dual citizenship come into play? Are you seeking to deny a fellow soul's God-given rights? So unfair. What right will you seek to deny next? His parental rights? His right to identify as male? His right to vote Trump? Christians aren't perfect, Mort, just forgiven. You? You don't know the difference between a Right and permission. https://i.postimg.cc/v84Cp9yG/naturalrights.jpg The difference between countries is that yours doesn't recognize basic human rights. Maybe it is because you were taught to bend the knee to your betters and we ran the British Empire out of our country! That is most certainly true, Mort, but I'm curious. Why are you trying to deny dual citizens the right to bear arms? Who else do you deny? Injuns? Negroids? Aliens? White trash? Who?

Your ignorance in this matter is overwhelming. You as a legal resident Alien of the United States could buy any firearm legal for the honest citizen to own. Legal residence is the key word here! I don't know what duel citizenship has to do with anything. Read the 4473 and understand it and then get back to me.

Mortdooley wrote on May 10^th, 2023 at 12:49am:

Karnal wrote on May 9th, 2023 at 10:37pm: Mortdooley wrote on May 9th, 2023 at 8:48pm: Karnal wrote on May 8th, 2023 at 12:27pm: Mortdooley wrote on May 8th, 2023 at 3:14am: Karnal wrote on May 8th, 2023 at 12:19am: Mortdooley wrote on May 7th, 2023 at 11:27pm: Karnal wrote on May 7th, 2023 at 10:44pm: Mortdooley wrote on May 7th, 2023 at 10:33pm: A Mexican National murders five Honduran Nationals in Texas and somehow you want to blame people who demand a secure border. Many, many ills could be cured with a secure border. Actually it would be great if we could have a border that is not little more than lines on a map! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfsjUnfoJ14 Oh, I see. Not guilty, eh? They're tinted. You do know it was illegal for the illegal alien from Mexico to possess a firearm, right? That's unfair, Mort. What about your constitution? You would know "what about the constitution" if you had ever read a 4473! No no, I believe your constitution permits the right to bear arms, correct? It's a right so sacred and holy, it is believed to have been granted by Jesus Himself. So I'm curious. Where would a gun owner's dual citizenship come into play? Are you seeking to deny a fellow soul's God-given rights? So unfair. What right will you seek to deny next? His parental rights? His right to identify as male? His right to vote Trump? Christians aren't perfect, Mort, just forgiven. You? You don't know the difference between a Right and permission. https://i.postimg.cc/v84Cp9yG/naturalrights.jpg The difference between countries is that yours doesn't recognize basic human rights. Maybe it is because you were taught to bend the knee to your betters and we ran the British Empire out of our country! That is most certainly true, Mort, but I'm curious. Why are you trying to deny dual citizens the right to bear arms? Who else do you deny? Injuns? Negroids? Aliens? White trash? Who? Your ignorance in this matter is overwhelming. You as a legal resident Alien of the United States could buy any firearm legal for the honest citizen to own. Legal residence is the key word here! I don't know what duel citizenship has to do with anything. Read the 4473 and understand it and then get back to me.

So why did you say it was illegal for the shooter to own a gun?

I'm curious.

Karnal wrote on May 10^th, 2023 at 1:02pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 10th, 2023 at 12:49am: Karnal wrote on May 9th, 2023 at 10:37pm: Mortdooley wrote on May 9th, 2023 at 8:48pm: Karnal wrote on May 8th, 2023 at 12:27pm: Mortdooley wrote on May 8th, 2023 at 3:14am: Karnal wrote on May 8th, 2023 at 12:19am: Mortdooley wrote on May 7th, 2023 at 11:27pm: Karnal wrote on May 7th, 2023 at 10:44pm: Mortdooley wrote on May 7th, 2023 at 10:33pm: A Mexican National murders five Honduran Nationals in Texas and somehow you want to blame people who demand a secure border. Many, many ills could be cured with a secure border. Actually it would be great if we could have a border that is not little more than lines on a map! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfsjUnfoJ14 Oh, I see. Not guilty, eh? They're tinted. You do know it was illegal for the illegal alien from Mexico to possess a firearm, right? That's unfair, Mort. What about your constitution? You would know "what about the constitution" if you had ever read a 4473! No no, I believe your constitution permits the right to bear arms, correct? It's a right so sacred and holy, it is believed to have been granted by Jesus Himself. So I'm curious. Where would a gun owner's dual citizenship come into play? Are you seeking to deny a fellow soul's God-given rights? So unfair. What right will you seek to deny next? His parental rights? His right to identify as male? His right to vote Trump? Christians aren't perfect, Mort, just forgiven. You? You don't know the difference between a Right and permission. https://i.postimg.cc/v84Cp9yG/naturalrights.jpg The difference between countries is that yours doesn't recognize basic human rights. Maybe it is because you were taught to bend the knee to your betters and we ran the British Empire out of our country! That is most certainly true, Mort, but I'm curious. Why are you trying to deny dual citizens the right to bear arms? Who else do you deny? Injuns? Negroids? Aliens? White trash? Who? Your ignorance in this matter is overwhelming. You as a legal resident Alien of the United States could buy any firearm legal for the honest citizen to own. Legal residence is the key word here! I don't know what duel citizenship has to do with anything. Read the 4473 and understand it and then get back to me. So why did you say it was illegal for the shooter to own a gun? I'm curious.

Maybe time for a dirty sex tour, eh dirty old sex tourist? Satisfy some 'curiosities'?

The carnage just goes on:




Quote:

Louisiana teenager shot by neighbor as she played hide-and-seek. . . . Data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show shootings are the leading killer of children and teens in the nation, surpassing motor vehicle accidents and other causes.

​https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/09/louisiana-girl-hide-and-seek-shooting​​​

Why are Americans so afraid. so paranoid?

Jovial Monk wrote on May 10^th, 2023 at 7:30pm:

The carnage just goes on: Quote: Louisiana teenager shot by neighbor as she played hide-and-seek. . . . Data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show shootings are the leading killer of children and teens in the nation, surpassing motor vehicle accidents and other causes. ​https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/09/louisiana-girl-hide-and-seek-shooting​​​ Why are Americans so afraid. so paranoid?

With 350 million people 0.5% is enough to make a difference in many areas.

The more relevant question would be why are American politicians so corrupt. The number of nuts and paranoid people will exist irrespective.

The problem is the lack of will to solve the issue and that lack of will is directly related to political donations.

Dnarever wrote on May 10^th, 2023 at 10:17pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on May 10th, 2023 at 7:30pm: The carnage just goes on: Quote: Louisiana teenager shot by neighbor as she played hide-and-seek. . . . Data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show shootings are the leading killer of children and teens in the nation, surpassing motor vehicle accidents and other causes. ​https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/09/louisiana-girl-hide-and-seek-shooting​​​ Why are Americans so afraid. so paranoid? With 350 million people 0.5% is enough to make a difference in many areas. The more relevant question would be why are American politicians so corrupt. The number of nuts and paranoid people will exist irrespective. The problem is the lack of will to solve the issue and that lack of will is directly related to political donations.

I know, right? One of Aquascoot's arguments was just that: America has enough people left alive to cope. Sure, guns might take out a few, but that's just a drop in the bucket. There's still plenty of people and livestock left to cope.

Culling a few chodes via a jolly mass shooting is no different to slaughtering the odd pig or turkey. The important thing is to preserve the arms industry. That's what makes America great.

Not agriculture or pharmaceuticals or patents or education, no. Food and drug companies kill. Knowledge is dangerous. But weapons preserve what's great about America:

DEATH.

Mortdooley wrote on May 9^th, 2023 at 9:42pm:

I have never known of a gun shooting by its own choice. It always takes human interaction but far be it for some people to put all the blame on the human!

Bombs don't set themselves off either, neither do Tanks, canons or rocket launchers. I am sure that you think you made a point?

There is no record of a rocket launcher attack against a school not because nobody would do it but because the people who would do it do not have a rocket launcher. They have to resort to their easily accessed republican party sponsored AR15 rifles.

Mortdooley wrote on May 9^th, 2023 at 9:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 9th, 2023 at 9:24pm: Mortdooley wrote on May 9th, 2023 at 9:19pm: It isn't the guns, ... Oh, it most certainly is the guns. Unless you can provide a link to a mass shooting that didn't involve a gun, or maybe show us where someone died from a gunshot wound when there were no guns involved. I have never known of a gun shooting by its own choice. It always takes human interaction but far be it for some people to put all the blame on the human!

"Stewart Rhodes, the founder of the right-wing Oath Keepers militia, has been found guilty of seditious conspiracy for his involvement in last year's attack on the US Capitol."

You know the guy - he has an eye patch.

You know why?

He dropped his gun and it went off on its own and shot him in the eye   ;D

Impossible to suffer a gunshot wound if there's no gun involved   ;)

greggerypeccary wrote on May 11^th, 2023 at 3:16pm:

Mortdooley wrote on May 9th, 2023 at 9:42pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 9th, 2023 at 9:24pm: Mortdooley wrote on May 9th, 2023 at 9:19pm: It isn't the guns, ... Oh, it most certainly is the guns. Unless you can provide a link to a mass shooting that didn't involve a gun, or maybe show us where someone died from a gunshot wound when there were no guns involved. I have never known of a gun shooting by its own choice. It always takes human interaction but far be it for some people to put all the blame on the human! "Stewart Rhodes, the founder of the right-wing Oath Keepers militia, has been found guilty of seditious conspiracy for his involvement in last year's attack on the US Capitol." You know the guy - he has an eye patch. You know why? He dropped his gun and it went off on its own and shot him in the eye   ;D Impossible to suffer a gunshot wound if there's no gun involved   ;)

Guns don't shoot people, Greggery. The ground did.

Besides, if Antifa weren't there tricking him into rioting, it would have been just another ordinary day at the Capitol.

DRAIN THE SWAMP!!!

Karnal wrote on May 11^th, 2023 at 3:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 11th, 2023 at 3:16pm: Mortdooley wrote on May 9th, 2023 at 9:42pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 9th, 2023 at 9:24pm: Mortdooley wrote on May 9th, 2023 at 9:19pm: It isn't the guns, ... Oh, it most certainly is the guns. Unless you can provide a link to a mass shooting that didn't involve a gun, or maybe show us where someone died from a gunshot wound when there were no guns involved. I have never known of a gun shooting by its own choice. It always takes human interaction but far be it for some people to put all the blame on the human! "Stewart Rhodes, the founder of the right-wing Oath Keepers militia, has been found guilty of seditious conspiracy for his involvement in last year's attack on the US Capitol." You know the guy - he has an eye patch. You know why? He dropped his gun and it went off on its own and shot him in the eye   ;D Impossible to suffer a gunshot wound if there's no gun involved   ;) Guns don't shoot people, Greggery. The ground did. Besides, if Antifa weren't there tricking him into rioting, it would have been just another ordinary day at the Capitol. DRAIN THE SWAMP!!!

Rhodes accidentally dropped his .22 caliber pistol and shot himself in the eye.

While this led to him using a prosthetic eyeball, he sometimes also chose to wear an eye patch, which distinguished him among the crowds at various political rallies (and insurrections).

https://staticc.sportskeeda.com/editor/2022/11/3eea7-16697844039621-1920.jpg

LOL... or not?

This interminable debate is likely to continue well into
the 22nd century!

On the one hand we have the paranoid, psychopathic,
American gung-ho, wannabe cowboys who're more than
happy to see thousands of people, including children,
killed or maimed each and every year by firearms.

On the other, we have the horrendous statistics of US
firearm deaths—and the rational, compassionate,
prudent individuals who demand a rewriting of the
ambiguous 2nd Amendment together with a firearms
amnesty that would see many of the 433.9 million
guns taken off US streets and out of homes.

I can only reiterate that I'm very happy to be living
in Australia, a country with sensible firearms laws,
zero mass shootings, and where one's ability to visit
a shopping mall is not overshadowed by the very real
risk of being shot by some insane defender of the Second.

           >:(

greggerypeccary wrote on May 11^th, 2023 at 5:47pm:

Rhodes accidentally dropped his .22 caliber pistol and shot himself in the eye. While this led to him using a prosthetic eyeball, he sometimes also chose to wear an eye patch, which distinguished him among the crowds at various political rallies (and insurrections)...

LOL.  Disbarred lawyer and Oath Keeper Stewart Rhodes is looking
at a 25-year jail sentence for seditious conspiracy on 6 January.

Oh the irony...

This is a guy who strenuously and aggressively supports his
2nd Amendment "rights", but can't even handle his own gun
safely.        Panther will not be amused!

      :D

AusGeoff wrote on May 12^th, 2023 at 1:43am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 11th, 2023 at 5:47pm: Rhodes accidentally dropped his .22 caliber pistol and shot himself in the eye. While this led to him using a prosthetic eyeball, he sometimes also chose to wear an eye patch, which distinguished him among the crowds at various political rallies (and insurrections)... LOL.  Disbarred lawyer and Oath Keeper Stewart Rhodes is looking at a 25-year jail sentence for seditious conspiracy on 6 January. Oh the irony... This is a guy who strenuously and aggressively supports his 2nd Amendment "rights", but can't even handle his own gun safely.        Panther will not be amused!       :D

Yeah, I love his story - it's hilarious.

Sometimes there IS justice in the world.

Karnal wrote on May 10^th, 2023 at 10:50pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 10th, 2023 at 10:17pm: Jovial Monk wrote on May 10th, 2023 at 7:30pm: The carnage just goes on: Quote: Louisiana teenager shot by neighbor as she played hide-and-seek. . . . Data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show shootings are the leading killer of children and teens in the nation, surpassing motor vehicle accidents and other causes. ​https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/09/louisiana-girl-hide-and-seek-shooting​​​ Why are Americans so afraid. so paranoid? With 350 million people 0.5% is enough to make a difference in many areas. The more relevant question would be why are American politicians so corrupt. The number of nuts and paranoid people will exist irrespective. The problem is the lack of will to solve the issue and that lack of will is directly related to political donations. I know, right? One of Aquascoot's arguments was just that: America has enough people left alive to cope. Sure, guns might take out a few, but that's just a drop in the bucket. There's still plenty of people and livestock left to cope. Culling a few chodes via a jolly mass shooting is no different to slaughtering the odd pig or turkey. The important thing is to preserve the arms industry. That's what makes America great. Not agriculture or pharmaceuticals or patents or education, no. Food and drug companies kill. Knowledge is dangerous. But weapons preserve what's great about America: DEATH.

culling a few MILLION chodes via a jolly mass sugar and trans fat epidemic is no different to slaughtering the odd pig or turkey, the important thing is to protect the big food, big pharma industry.


we are comparing tiny numbers to 65 % of the american population who are being slaughtered by lies from the FDA that sugar is good and meat is bad  :'( :'( :'(