"Lab-grown meat could be 25 times worse for the climate than beef"

"Analysis finds the carbon footprint of cultivated meat is likely to be higher than beef if current production methods are scaled up because they are still highly energy-intensive

Cultivated meat is made by growing muscle tissue from stem cells

Meat produced from cultured cells could be 25 times worse for the climate than regular beef unless scientists find ways to overhaul energy-intensive steps in its production.

Lab-grown or “cultivated” meat is made by growing animal stem cells around a scaffold in a nutrient-rich broth. It has been proposed as a kinder and greener alternative to traditional meat because it uses less land, feed, water and antibiotics than animal farming and removes the need to farm and slaughter livestock..."

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2372229-lab-grown-meat-could-be-25-times-worse-for-the-climate-than-beef/

Just eat legumes: beans, peas and lentils.

Crisis over.

Sounds like poor people food.

Jasin wrote on May 13^th, 2023 at 5:13pm:

Sounds like poor people food.

You got something against poor people?

Gimme a nice steak.   :)

Bobby. wrote on May 13^th, 2023 at 6:05pm:

Gimme a nice steak.   :)

With mustard and cucumber?

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13^th, 2023 at 6:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 13th, 2023 at 6:05pm: Gimme a nice steak.   :) With mustard and cucumber?

These days I prefer mushroom sauce.   :)

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13^th, 2023 at 5:58pm:

Jasin wrote on May 13th, 2023 at 5:13pm: Sounds like poor people food. You got something against poor people?

Mostly over-population.
You have something to say about over-population?

Jasin wrote on May 13^th, 2023 at 6:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2023 at 5:58pm: Jasin wrote on May 13th, 2023 at 5:13pm: Sounds like poor people food. You got something against poor people? Mostly over-population. You have something to say about over-population?

Lead by example.

Human beings are natural omnivores and have been eating meat
for 2,600,000 years.

I would never accept or consume the unnatural, trendoid, diet of a
vegetarian.

Anybody who doesn't enjoy a thick sirloin steak or a toasted
bacon sandwich obviously has something wrong with them LOL.

Vegans should just be happy us omnivores eat meat. We are feasting on the animals that eat vegan's food.

That steak you boys are talking about might taste a bit different in the future.

Bill Gates has a factory in WA turning sea weed into cow food.

This is bound to affect the taste of the meat and the meat itself and the person eating it.

Who knows mad cows again.....LOL.

Anything to make a buck.

It's a new technology. It has  way to go.

Anything that serves to prevent animal suffering is worth investigating in my opinion. I'm highly suspicious of anyone who sys otherwise.

Not to mention we are looking at very real possible global food shortages n the not too distant future.

Maybe you'd prefer crickets?

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13^th, 2023 at 7:04pm:

Jasin wrote on May 13th, 2023 at 6:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2023 at 5:58pm: Jasin wrote on May 13th, 2023 at 5:13pm: Sounds like poor people food. You got something against poor people? Mostly over-population. You have something to say about over-population? Lead by example.

Gay weak answer as usual.

Jasin wrote on May 13^th, 2023 at 6:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13th, 2023 at 5:58pm: Jasin wrote on May 13th, 2023 at 5:13pm: Sounds like poor people food. You got something against poor people? Mostly over-population. You have something to say about over-population?

Well, as poverty is reduced and women become more educated, population growth rates fall....

Just watch the vegonazis try force us to be vegan.

They'll feed this crap and other 'fabricated' foods to the poor.
While the rich will feed off the real stuff.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 13^th, 2023 at 3:16pm:

Just eat legumes: beans, peas and lentils. Crisis over.

Thats what i eat. Lab-grown meat still contains galactose.

Spot

I do not eat much meat anymore.

Yesterday, I bought lamb chops and a lamb backstrap. Usually I buy a smallish porterhouse or TBone and that is my meat for the week bar some prosciutto or pancetta or salami.

Good for my wallet, good for my health as are my walks with the dog. Socks, being a 30Kg beast requires L O O O N G walks. Plenty Vit D.

My dinner tonight—the other half of the potato–spinach–egg–cheese casserole I made last night.

I have jars full of dried beans, split peas and puy and red lentils. Might make Boston baked beans some time and would like another go at the TexMex bean chili.

Another dog meet Saturday. Wish I could bring something warm from home—all they supply is a snag on white bread  :'( will see if I can buy a thermos.

Woops, didn’t mean to break your ban!

Jovial Monk wrote on May 18^th, 2023 at 9:59am:

Woops, didn’t mean to break your ban!

You are not banned -
that expired on the 17th May 2023.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1612043899

Jasin wrote on May 18^th, 2023 at 4:58am:

They'll feed this crap and other 'fabricated' foods to the poor. While the rich will feed off the real stuff.

The main problem with dried beans and other high protein pulses is the overnight soak and the hour long cooking, otherwise they are as delicious as meat. 

I agree the fabricated 'meat' look-alikes are crap, probably unhealthy (lots of artificial additives)  and expensive.

But as for the poor, they will NOT "always be with us", in the new world freed from feeding good food to animals, and freed from the enforced scarcity of the current self-serving money lenders in the IMF, World Bank, and the nations' private banks.   

thegreatdivide wrote on May 18^th, 2023 at 12:55pm:

Jasin wrote on May 18th, 2023 at 4:58am: They'll feed this crap and other 'fabricated' foods to the poor. While the rich will feed off the real stuff. The main problem with dried beans and other high protein pulses is the overnight soak and the hour long cooking, otherwise they are as delicious as meat.  I agree the fabricated 'meat' look-alikes are crap, probably unhealthy (lots of artificial additives)  and expensive. But as for the poor, they will NOT "always be with us", in the new world freed from feeding good food to animals, and freed from the enforced scarcity of the current self-serving money lenders in the IMF, World Bank, and the nations' private banks.

A pressure cooker solves that hour long thing. I dont like using the pressure cooker for beans because getting the water ratio is hard but i do if i dont have a lot of time to make a meal. Also i soak ALL the beans even lentils because of my digestive problems but if im in a hurry ill use beans or lentils that dont need to be soaked overnight just for a few hours (like red lentils or toor dahl).

Spot

Ah.

I don’t have a pressure cooker only a pressure canner. Hmmm do a mass canning of beans?

thegreatdivide wrote on May 18^th, 2023 at 12:55pm:

Jasin wrote on May 18th, 2023 at 4:58am: They'll feed this crap and other 'fabricated' foods to the poor. While the rich will feed off the real stuff. The main problem with dried beans and other high protein pulses is the overnight soak and the hour long cooking, otherwise they are as delicious as meat.  I agree the fabricated 'meat' look-alikes are crap, probably unhealthy (lots of artificial additives)  and expensive. But as for the poor, they will NOT "always be with us", in the new world freed from feeding good food to animals, and freed from the enforced scarcity of the current self-serving money lenders in the IMF, World Bank, and the nations' private banks.

Actually - I've had some vegetarian sausages that were super yummy.
The good ones were expensive though - more than meat sausages.
I think they were made with chickpeas?


https://www.pegshomecooking.com/chickpea-sausages-recipe/

Bobby. wrote on May 20^th, 2023 at 6:22am:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 18th, 2023 at 12:55pm: Jasin wrote on May 18th, 2023 at 4:58am: They'll feed this crap and other 'fabricated' foods to the poor. While the rich will feed off the real stuff. The main problem with dried beans and other high protein pulses is the overnight soak and the hour long cooking, otherwise they are as delicious as meat.  I agree the fabricated 'meat' look-alikes are crap, probably unhealthy (lots of artificial additives)  and expensive. But as for the poor, they will NOT "always be with us", in the new world freed from feeding good food to animals, and freed from the enforced scarcity of the current self-serving money lenders in the IMF, World Bank, and the nations' private banks.    Actually - I've had some vegetarian sausages that were super yummy. The good ones were expensive though - more than meat sausages. I think they were made with chickpeas? https://www.pegshomecooking.com/chickpea-sausages-recipe/

I like the ones made with applesauce but dont eat them much because 1) expensive and 2) almost as bad for you as the meat ones with all the salt etc in them

https://www.vegangrocerystore.com.au/products/fieldroastsmokedapplesagesausages-case-6

spot

Hi Spot - they look nice too.

I think everyone should try vegan sausages.

Bobby. wrote on May 20^th, 2023 at 10:49am:

Hi Spot - they look nice too. I think everyone should try vegan sausages.

The point was (apart from price): are they healthy?

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2023 at 11:59am:

Bobby. wrote on May 20th, 2023 at 10:49am: Hi Spot - they look nice too. I think everyone should try vegan sausages. The point was (apart from price): are they healthy?

They would have to be healthier than meat sausages.

That's coming from someone who, unfortunately, eats way too much processed meat.

When I'm in Europe that's pretty much all my relatives feed me  :)

https://www.meatsandsausages.com/public/images/sausages-by-country/sausages-german.jpg

greggerypeccary wrote on May 20^th, 2023 at 12:19pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20th, 2023 at 11:59am: Bobby. wrote on May 20th, 2023 at 10:49am: Hi Spot - they look nice too. I think everyone should try vegan sausages. The point was (apart from price): are they healthy? They would have to be healthier than meat sausages. That's coming from someone who, unfortunately, eats way too much processed meat. When I'm in Europe that's pretty much all my relatives feed me  :) https://www.meatsandsausages.com/public/images/sausages-by-country/sausages-german.jpg

Fair point.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2023 at 11:59am:

Bobby. wrote on May 20th, 2023 at 10:49am: Hi Spot - they look nice too. I think everyone should try vegan sausages. The point was (apart from price): are they healthy?

You'd hope that vegetables would be more healthy.
Yes - maybe they could put too much salt in it?

Bobby. wrote on May 20^th, 2023 at 12:56pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20th, 2023 at 11:59am: Bobby. wrote on May 20th, 2023 at 10:49am: Hi Spot - they look nice too. I think everyone should try vegan sausages. The point was (apart from price): are they healthy? You'd hope that vegetables would be more healthy. Yes - maybe they could put too much salt in it?

Possibly, I don't know; but perhaps the 'list of ingredients' panel will show all the artificial additives, as well as sugar and salt....usually a fair swig of them, in manufactured foods.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20^th, 2023 at 1:10pm:

Possibly, I don't know; but perhaps the 'list of ingredients' panel will show all the artificial additives, as well as sugar and salt....usually a fair swig of them, in manufactured foods.

"It's Time to End the War on Salt

The zealous drive by politicians to limit our salt intake has little basis in science"

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/its-time-to-end-the-war-on-salt/
"For decades the notion that an excessive consumption of salt (NaCl) leads to hypertension has persisted. However, this idea is based on opinion, not scientific proof. Despite this, every health organization, agency, and clinicians around the world have been advising salt restriction, especially to hypertensive patients. The present review article suggests that the consumption of a high-salt diet is not the cause of hypertension and that there are other factors, such as added sugars, which are causative for inducing hypertension and cardiovascular disease."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28373112/

lee wrote on May 20^th, 2023 at 2:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20th, 2023 at 1:10pm: Possibly, I don't know; but perhaps the 'list of ingredients' panel will show all the artificial additives, as well as sugar and salt....usually a fair swig of them, in manufactured foods. "It's Time to End the War on Salt The zealous drive by politicians to limit our salt intake has little basis in science" https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/its-time-to-end-the-war-on-salt/ "For decades the notion that an excessive consumption of salt (NaCl) leads to hypertension has persisted. However, this idea is based on opinion, not scientific proof. Despite this, every health organization, agency, and clinicians around the world have been advising salt restriction, especially to hypertensive patients. The present review article suggests that the consumption of a high-salt diet is not the cause of hypertension and that there are other factors, such as added sugars, which are causative for inducing hypertension and cardiovascular disease." https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28373112/

I think we can take that article with a grain of salt, lee.

https://cdn.dribbble.com/users/1900121/screenshots/4250520/media/cb7ef29f0ecf012d1fc6e9e63d3d4f74.gif

lee wrote on May 20^th, 2023 at 2:16pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 20th, 2023 at 1:10pm: Possibly, I don't know; but perhaps the 'list of ingredients' panel will show all the artificial additives, as well as sugar and salt....usually a fair swig of them, in manufactured foods. "It's Time to End the War on Salt The zealous drive by politicians to limit our salt intake has little basis in science" https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/its-time-to-end-the-war-on-salt/ "For decades the notion that an excessive consumption of salt (NaCl) leads to hypertension has persisted. However, this idea is based on opinion, not scientific proof. Despite this, every health organization, agency, and clinicians around the world have been advising salt restriction, especially to hypertensive patients. The present review article suggests that the consumption of a high-salt diet is not the cause of hypertension and that there are other factors, such as added sugars, which are causative for inducing hypertension and cardiovascular disease." https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28373112/

I think you may be right, despite gp's pricless cartoon...though processed foods are loaded with both  sugar and salt for the preservative value.

You can tell a Vegan in the crowd.
They lean towards the sun.

I've always suspected it's the food that's usually highly salted that is the cause snd not the actual salt.

Bobby. wrote on May 20^th, 2023 at 10:49am:

Hi Spot - they look nice too. I think everyone should try vegan sausages.

?

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Jovial Monk wrote on May 18^th, 2023 at 8:54am:

I do not eat much meat anymore. Yesterday, I bought lamb chops and a lamb backstrap. Usually I buy a smallish porterhouse or TBone and that is my meat for the week bar some prosciutto or pancetta or salami. Good for my wallet, good for my health as are my walks with the dog. Socks, being a 30Kg beast requires L O O O N G walks. Plenty Vit D. My dinner tonight—the other half of the potato–spinach–egg–cheese casserole I made last night. I have jars full of dried beans, split peas and puy and red lentils. Might make Boston baked beans some time and would like another go at the TexMex bean chili. Another dog meet Saturday. Wish I could bring something warm from home—all they supply is a snag on white bread  :'( will see if I can buy a thermos.

To overcome the hassle of the overnight soak and the one hour of cooking—cook a heap and fill into jars and preserve in a pressure canner. Be doing that when the days are too cold/wet to be outside.

Recipe: https://www.healthycanning.com/canning-kidney-beans

Works for cannellini beans too and I dare say haricot beans.


Calculate the quantity for 250ml jars—nice quantity for salads. Use some litre jars for bulk recipes, etc.

Gordon wrote on May 20^th, 2023 at 5:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 20th, 2023 at 10:49am: Hi Spot - they look nice too. I think everyone should try vegan sausages. ?

Look like Monk's fat housebreaker sausages he pokes through the fences for dogs to nibble on.

I only used salt as an example. Myself i have always had low BP so doctors occasionally tell me to eat MORE salt. Theres all kinds of "vegan" additives in processed vegan foods same as other additives in other food. Its all processed. That being said i do like those apple sausages for a treat now and then.

Spot

Jovial Monk wrote on May 21^st, 2023 at 10:52am:

Jovial Monk wrote on May 18th, 2023 at 8:54am: I do not eat much meat anymore. Yesterday, I bought lamb chops and a lamb backstrap. Usually I buy a smallish porterhouse or TBone and that is my meat for the week bar some prosciutto or pancetta or salami. Good for my wallet, good for my health as are my walks with the dog. Socks, being a 30Kg beast requires L O O O N G walks. Plenty Vit D. My dinner tonight—the other half of the potato–spinach–egg–cheese casserole I made last night. I have jars full of dried beans, split peas and puy and red lentils. Might make Boston baked beans some time and would like another go at the TexMex bean chili. Another dog meet Saturday. Wish I could bring something warm from home—all they supply is a snag on white bread  :'( will see if I can buy a thermos. To overcome the hassle of the overnight soak and the one hour of cooking—cook a heap and fill into jars and preserve in a pressure canner. Be doing that when the days are too cold/wet to be outside. Recipe: https://www.healthycanning.com/canning-kidney-beans Works for cannellini beans too and I dare say haricot beans. Calculate the quantity for 250ml jars—nice quantity for salads. Use some litre jars for bulk recipes, etc.

Thanks.