'Washington knows Ukraine is close to collapse.'

Douglas Abbott Macgregor is a retired U.S. Army colonel and government official, and an author, consultant, and television commentator. He played a significant role on the battlefield in the Gulf War and the 1999 NATO bombing of Yugoslavia. Wikipedia

https://youtu.be/PK7Rf2BsBng

I wonder what sort of new accommodation Russia will build the Ukrainians, if Russia wins the war.

russia just wants to wreck the joint.

america and western europe can go broke rebuilding it

wombatwoody wrote on Jun 17^th, 2023 at 3:33pm:

'Washington knows Ukraine is close to collapse.' Douglas Abbott Macgregor is a retired U.S. Army colonel and government official, and an author, consultant, and television commentator. He played a significant role on the battlefield in the Gulf War and the 1999 NATO bombing of Yugoslavia. Wikipedia https://youtu.be/PK7Rf2BsBng

https://cepa.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/239616261_136557131982331_7007477545992967882_n.jpg

If the Russian Army is driven out of Zaporizhia, they will blow the nuclear power station in the process and blame it on Ukraine. Central Russia is down wind, but they are stupid and vindictive enough to do it, and casualties don't seem to bother them.

As for Ukraine about to collapse, people have been saying that since day one. Before the invasion, Ukraine had a small but effective military. With which they sank the Russian admirals flagship and his main landing ship. The Russian navy then ran away out of range, and have done nothing since.

Every day Ukraine is getting stronger, that is why Medvedev passed kidney stone when the F16s were announced from NATO donors and trainers. They will be in service before Russia can make  anymore strategic gains, along with 41 updated Australian F/A 18s. So Ukraine is about to have a credible airforce.

Sure, Ukraine may be destroyed and the territory become part of Putin's grand vision, but Russia is going to bleed through its arse, and cough up a zillion rubles to do it.

wombatwoody wrote on Jun 17^th, 2023 at 3:33pm:

'Washington knows Ukraine is close to collapse.' Douglas Abbott Macgregor is a retired U.S. Army colonel and government official, and an author, consultant, and television commentator. He played a significant role on the battlefield in the Gulf War and the 1999 NATO bombing of Yugoslavia. Wikipedia https://youtu.be/PK7Rf2BsBng

Sounds like he bullshits too much:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Macgregor


Quote:

Why do you continually put Douglas MacGregor on @FoxNews to spread Putin's propaganda and lies? This is absolutely not in America's interest

aquascoot wrote on Jun 19^th, 2023 at 9:27pm:

russia just wants to wreck the joint. america and western europe can go broke rebuilding it

Ah, the "noble Vlad", eh?

Chess master, concert pianist, aviator, judo champion and now this.

Joint-wrecker. It's a narrow road indeed, no?

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17^th, 2023 at 4:25pm:

I wonder what sort of new accommodation Russia will build the Ukrainians, if Russia wins the war.

The same accommodation Israel is giving the Palestinians. None at all.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 21^st, 2023 at 12:44pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2023 at 4:25pm: I wonder what sort of new accommodation Russia will build the Ukrainians, if Russia wins the war. The same accommodation Israel is giving the Palestinians. None at all.

Yes, well, I was being sardonic with that post. It seems that the Russians have no moral compass with the Ukrainians' lives.

So what has Putin and his long faced Junta achieved by invading Ukraine, apart form destroying their economy and sending thousands to their death or wheel chairs?

They have increased the membership of NATO, given the alliance a chance to clear old stocks of ammunition, and test new weapons from a position of observation.

One thing is certain, Crimea as a naval base is no longer tenable. After this war, Ukraine will bristle with anti-ship missiles, if it is not already. Even without Turkish permission, exit from the Black Sea in war with NATO would be impossible.

All of this due to the paranoia and megalomania of a dictatorship who uses a threat of NATO invasion as its only justification, an argument that is easily demolished looking at European pre-war economics.

And even a casual observer can see NATO would require a united and complete change of posture to even contemplate invading Russia. Its not going to happen, and I believe Putin has always known that.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 20^th, 2023 at 11:07pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Jun 17th, 2023 at 3:33pm: 'Washington knows Ukraine is close to collapse.' Douglas Abbott Macgregor is a retired U.S. Army colonel and government official, and an author, consultant, and television commentator. He played a significant role on the battlefield in the Gulf War and the 1999 NATO bombing of Yugoslavia. Wikipedia https://youtu.be/PK7Rf2BsBng Sounds like he bullshits too much: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Macgregor Quote: Why do you continually put Douglas MacGregor on @FoxNews to spread Putin's propaganda and lies? This is absolutely not in America's interest

But of course.


Quote:

His thinking contributed to the US strategy in its 2003 invasion of Iraq.

His video has also been removed. You get that, no?

Chest-thumping, sabre-rattling warmongers like to reel you in, then - whoops.

This video has been removed by the uploader.

Ever get the feeling you've been felched?

issuevoter wrote on Jul 13^th, 2023 at 7:48am:

[size=12]So what has Putin and his long faced Junta achieved by invading Ukraine, apart form destroying their economy and sending thousands to their death or wheel chairs?

You make that sound like a bad thing, dear.

Russia is run by a syndicate. Its spoils are divided and dispersed by the capos, led by Vlad, the Boss. There is no thought to Russian deaths or disabilities beyond the political calculation of what the Ruskis are prepared to cop.

Much easier to send the kids off to war than fight off a revolution. Vlad thought he could trust the generals to do their job. He also thought Ukrainians would suck it up, right?

Wrong. For the last few years, Vlad's had covid to keep things tight. He likes to have a nice little emergency up his sleeve. He came to power with the Chechen war, now he's created a whole new war to keep that power.

Genius. He's a peacemaker, no?

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17^th, 2023 at 4:25pm:

I wonder what sort of new accommodation Russia will build the Ukrainians, if Russia wins the war.

The same as Uncle Sam built for the Iraqis, Libyans, and Syrians, and what the Israelis built for the Palestinians, fu*k all.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17^th, 2023 at 4:25pm:

I wonder what sort of new accommodation Russia will build the Ukrainians, if Russia wins the war.

He will probably extend more of this to the recovered territory. Ukraine has closed churches and arrested clergy so he can be expected to reverse that. In todays world it is possible for Zelenskyy  to be both a Jew and a Nazi!
https://i.postimg.cc/5yJWHn2Y/putin.png

Mortdooley wrote on Jul 18^th, 2023 at 9:30pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2023 at 4:25pm: I wonder what sort of new accommodation Russia will build the Ukrainians, if Russia wins the war. He will probably extend more of this to the recovered territory. Ukraine has closed churches and arrested clergy so he can be expected to reverse that. In todays world it is possible for Zelenskyy  to be both a Jew and a Nazi! https://i.postimg.cc/5yJWHn2Y/putin.png

Here's what I don't get about you ultra-right Americans. You preached to the world about Russia as the ultimate enemy from 1945. Nothing has changed in Russia other than in name. Now you do a complete about-face and you love them for it. You expect the rest of the world to miss the irony?

issuevoter wrote on Jul 18^th, 2023 at 11:32pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Jul 18th, 2023 at 9:30pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2023 at 4:25pm: I wonder what sort of new accommodation Russia will build the Ukrainians, if Russia wins the war. He will probably extend more of this to the recovered territory. Ukraine has closed churches and arrested clergy so he can be expected to reverse that. In todays world it is possible for Zelenskyy  to be both a Jew and a Nazi! https://i.postimg.cc/5yJWHn2Y/putin.png Here's what I don't get about you ultra-right Americans. You preached to the world about Russia as the ultimate enemy from 1945. Nothing has changed in Russia other than in name. Now you do a complete about-face and you love them for it. You expect the rest of the world to miss the irony?

the root cause is really the coastal intellectual elites hatred of the whites with no uni education who live in the middle of the country.

the elites hate those people and donald trump, by going into the elite swamps and really picking fight after fight is seen as a hero.

his policies count for zip.

they dont care about his policies

they just want a politician who ,at the very least, doesnt insult them

trump is an isolationist and anti war.

he is a businessman.

so the trump supporters probably think

biden and clinton and the mainstrteam media do nothing but kick me in the guts

putin never did anything to me

so, whatever putin is, he isnt as bad as rachel maddow and gavin newsome and sean penn and madonna.

and if they love zalensky , then i'm for putin.

the left started the tribalism, the identity politics, the infighting and group identity.

what did they think would happen  ::) ::) ::) ::)

According to Scott Ritter, it's over for Ukraine bar WW3. And no  one is prepared to go to WW3 for Ukraine. The West started poking the Russians without being prepared. As a consequence Ukraine has been turned to rubble, it's soldiers put through a meat grinder and the state of its civilian population is tragic. We may well see Ukraine disappear as a country.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsqIm3F02Rc

It has been all over for Ukraine, according to some 'experts' since day one of the Russian invasion, yet 18 months later Ukraine is still fighting. Meanwhile Russian troops are deserting, their mercenaries are rebelling and things are not going according to plan.... ::)

Russia is not a winner in this war.

Even the Turks are walking away from Russia, and the CCP is distancing itself and cultivating stronger ties to the central Asian republics, no doubt anticipating Russian sphere-of-influence decline.

Don’t mind me .... I’m just connecting a few dots (knowing a bit of history helps)

Russia vs Ukraine

Both Slavs
Both Orthodox
Both once known as USSR

👉 Kinda sorta like a civil war

👉 Divide/Conquer opportunity.

👉 Which other country stands to win the most from such a conflict scenario?

Quote:

Even the Turks are walking away from Russia,

??

turkey has never formally been on russia's side at all (it's part of NATO dur) and erdogan doesn't give a sh1t about anybody other than himself and his nation's formal interests, he has always played both sides to some degree

JC Denton wrote on Jul 19^th, 2023 at 9:14pm:

Quote: Even the Turks are walking away from Russia, ?? turkey has never formally been on russia's side at all (it's part of NATO dur) and erdogan doesn't give a sh1t about anybody other than himself and his nation's formal interests, he has always played both sides to some degree

The Turks were buying grain and other food items and selling it to the Russians to get around sanctions - not anymore.

The Turks were allowing Russian exports out to markets via Turkey, by buying them from Russia, to avoid sanctions - not anymore.

The Turks are now going to escort Ukrainian ships in the Black Sea exporting grain, over strong Russian objections.

The Turks have agreed to allow Sweden to join NATO over strong Russian objections.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 19^th, 2023 at 8:48pm:

Don’t mind me .... I’m just connecting a few dots (knowing a bit of history helps) Russia vs Ukraine Both Slavs Both Orthodox Both once known as USSR 👉 Kinda sorta like a civil war 👉 Divide/Conquer opportunity. 👉 Which other country stands to win the most from such a conflict scenario?

I think the answer is the USA. In particular a guy called Larry Fink who controls Blackrock which is the biggest company in the world. Its headquarters are based in the USA too. He’s an avid Democrat who’s close to Biden and his company works for Biden too.

From what I’ve been researching on and off today (as I’ve been busy with housewife stuff too ) this Fink guy makes a lot of money out of guns and war. The resultant profits of war feed his organizational structure ensuring it continues to grow and retain its reputation as a monopolistic monolithic force to be reckoned with.

Fink sits/advised on this interesting and pretty serious council.

The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) an American think tank specializing in U.S. foreign policy and international relations.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Foreign_Relations

Dear God he also sits/advises on this council too.

World Economic Forum

The Forum suggests that a globalised world is best managed by a self-selected coalition of multinational corporations, governments and civil society organizations (CSOs),which it expresses through initiatives like the "Great Reset" and the "Global Redesign".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Economic_Forum


Which brings me to this topic 👇

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1689774585/5#5

aquascoot wrote on Jul 19^th, 2023 at 4:59am:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 18th, 2023 at 11:32pm: Mortdooley wrote on Jul 18th, 2023 at 9:30pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2023 at 4:25pm: I wonder what sort of new accommodation Russia will build the Ukrainians, if Russia wins the war. He will probably extend more of this to the recovered territory. Ukraine has closed churches and arrested clergy so he can be expected to reverse that. In todays world it is possible for Zelenskyy  to be both a Jew and a Nazi! https://i.postimg.cc/5yJWHn2Y/putin.png Here's what I don't get about you ultra-right Americans. You preached to the world about Russia as the ultimate enemy from 1945. Nothing has changed in Russia other than in name. Now you do a complete about-face and you love them for it. You expect the rest of the world to miss the irony? the root cause is really the coastal intellectual elites hatred of the whites with no uni education who live in the middle of the country. the elites hate those people and donald trump, by going into the elite swamps and really picking fight after fight is seen as a hero. his policies count for zip. they dont care about his policies they just want a politician who ,at the very least, doesnt insult them trump is an isolationist and anti war. he is a businessman. so the trump supporters probably think biden and clinton and the mainstrteam media do nothing but kick me in the guts putin never did anything to me so, whatever putin is, he isnt as bad as rachel maddow and gavin newsome and sean penn and madonna. and if they love zalensky , then i'm for putin. the left started the tribalism, the identity politics, the infighting and group identity. what did they think would happen  ::) ::) ::) ::)

So whatever Putin is, whatever hospitals and schools and apartment blocks and power plants he destroys, he's not as bad as Rachel Maddow.

The Real Americans probably think that, ya? 

Or probably not. Either/or, no?

Belgarion wrote on Jul 19^th, 2023 at 8:26pm:

It has been all over for Ukraine, according to some 'experts' since day one of the Russian invasion, yet 18 months later Ukraine is still fighting. Meanwhile Russian troops are deserting, their mercenaries are rebelling and things are not going according to plan.... ::)

US/NATO arms supplies have delayed the inevitable but the inevitable is ineluctable...short of igniting WW3.

Karnal wrote on Jul 20^th, 2023 at 12:59am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 19th, 2023 at 4:59am: issuevoter wrote on Jul 18th, 2023 at 11:32pm: Mortdooley wrote on Jul 18th, 2023 at 9:30pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2023 at 4:25pm: I wonder what sort of new accommodation Russia will build the Ukrainians, if Russia wins the war. He will probably extend more of this to the recovered territory. Ukraine has closed churches and arrested clergy so he can be expected to reverse that. In todays world it is possible for Zelenskyy  to be both a Jew and a Nazi! https://i.postimg.cc/5yJWHn2Y/putin.png Here's what I don't get about you ultra-right Americans. You preached to the world about Russia as the ultimate enemy from 1945. Nothing has changed in Russia other than in name. Now you do a complete about-face and you love them for it. You expect the rest of the world to miss the irony? the root cause is really the coastal intellectual elites hatred of the whites with no uni education who live in the middle of the country. the elites hate those people and donald trump, by going into the elite swamps and really picking fight after fight is seen as a hero. his policies count for zip. they dont care about his policies they just want a politician who ,at the very least, doesnt insult them trump is an isolationist and anti war. he is a businessman. so the trump supporters probably think biden and clinton and the mainstrteam media do nothing but kick me in the guts putin never did anything to me so, whatever putin is, he isnt as bad as rachel maddow and gavin newsome and sean penn and madonna. and if they love zalensky , then i'm for putin. the left started the tribalism, the identity politics, the infighting and group identity. what did they think would happen  ::) ::) ::) ::) So whatever Putin is, whatever hospitals and schools and apartment blocks and power plants he destroys, he's not as bad as Rachel Maddow. The Real Americans probably think that, ya?  Or probably not. Either/or, no?

correct, the pew centre for research says this.

REPORTJUNE 21, 2023
Inflation, Health Costs, Partisan Cooperation
Democrats hold edge on many issues, but more Americans agree with Republicans on economy, crime, immigration


The public’s list of the top problems facing the nation includes inflation, health care affordability, drug addiction and gun violence.


Inflation remains the top concern for Republicans and Republican-leaning independents, with 77% saying it is a very big problem. The state of moral values, illegal immigration and the budget deficit also are seen as top problems by at least two-thirds of Republicans.


For Democrats and Democratic leaners, gun violence is the top concern, with about eight-in-ten (81%) saying it is a very big problem. The affordability of health care ranks second (73% say this).

Democrats are more than four times as likely as Republicans to say that climate change is a very big problem in the country (64% vs. 14%). Democrats are also much more likely to say gun violence and racism are very big problems.

aquascoot wrote on Jul 20^th, 2023 at 5:18am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 20th, 2023 at 12:59am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 19th, 2023 at 4:59am: issuevoter wrote on Jul 18th, 2023 at 11:32pm: Mortdooley wrote on Jul 18th, 2023 at 9:30pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17th, 2023 at 4:25pm: I wonder what sort of new accommodation Russia will build the Ukrainians, if Russia wins the war. He will probably extend more of this to the recovered territory. Ukraine has closed churches and arrested clergy so he can be expected to reverse that. In todays world it is possible for Zelenskyy  to be both a Jew and a Nazi! https://i.postimg.cc/5yJWHn2Y/putin.png Here's what I don't get about you ultra-right Americans. You preached to the world about Russia as the ultimate enemy from 1945. Nothing has changed in Russia other than in name. Now you do a complete about-face and you love them for it. You expect the rest of the world to miss the irony? the root cause is really the coastal intellectual elites hatred of the whites with no uni education who live in the middle of the country. the elites hate those people and donald trump, by going into the elite swamps and really picking fight after fight is seen as a hero. his policies count for zip. they dont care about his policies they just want a politician who ,at the very least, doesnt insult them trump is an isolationist and anti war. he is a businessman. so the trump supporters probably think biden and clinton and the mainstrteam media do nothing but kick me in the guts putin never did anything to me so, whatever putin is, he isnt as bad as rachel maddow and gavin newsome and sean penn and madonna. and if they love zalensky , then i'm for putin. the left started the tribalism, the identity politics, the infighting and group identity. what did they think would happen  ::) ::) ::) ::) So whatever Putin is, whatever hospitals and schools and apartment blocks and power plants he destroys, he's not as bad as Rachel Maddow. The Real Americans probably think that, ya?  Or probably not. Either/or, no? correct, the pew centre for research says this. REPORTJUNE 21, 2023 Inflation, Health Costs, Partisan Cooperation Democrats hold edge on many issues, but more Americans agree with Republicans on economy, crime, immigration The public’s list of the top problems facing the nation includes inflation, health care affordability, drug addiction and gun violence. Inflation remains the top concern for Republicans and Republican-leaning independents, with 77% saying it is a very big problem. The state of moral values, illegal immigration and the budget deficit also are seen as top problems by at least two-thirds of Republicans. For Democrats and Democratic leaners, gun violence is the top concern, with about eight-in-ten (81%) saying it is a very big problem. The affordability of health care ranks second (73% say this). Democrats are more than four times as likely as Republicans to say that climate change is a very big problem in the country (64% vs. 14%). Democrats are also much more likely to say gun violence and racism are very big problems.

Moral values?

Oo-er. Beware the one in whom the virtue signaller is strong, Aquascoot.

Do the Real Americans understand how the Russian invasion has effected inflation?

We'll keep that one to ourselves, shall we? With any luck, they'll accept your view on Vlad, restorer of moral values.

We will make America great again,  ya?

A fascist is a fascist, no matter what nationality or religion they espouse. What Russia is doing in Ukraine is exactly the same as the atrocities of ISIS, Al Q, or the Burma Junta. We see member's fascist rants here, offered as comment.

What Putin has done to Russia's fledgling democracy will scar that nation for generations.

It is remarkable how those who embrace fascism can twist lies and the most evil atrocities into moral crusades. And that is precisely what we are seeing on this forum.

Zelensky, an artist, the stand up comedian turned leader, a fascist? The representative of those who stood up to the murderous acts of the Putin's puppet president in 2014, a fascist?

You people are scum.

issuevoter wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2023 at 8:28am:

What Putin has done to Russia's fledgling democracy will scar that nation for generations.

Putin is not responsible for the damage done to the idea of Russian democracy, that was done by Yeltsin.

After the disastrous economic, social and political catastrophe of the Yeltsin years between the fall of the Soviet Union and the rise of Putin, few, if any, Russians have faith in democracy and have returned to their ancient Russian instincts - to trust in a Tsar-like strongman to protect Mother Russia and lead the Russian people by strength of personality.

issuevoter wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2023 at 8:28am:

[size=12]A fascist is a fascist, no matter what nationality or religion they espouse. What Russia is doing in Ukraine is exactly the same as the atrocities of ISIS, Al Q, or the Burma Junta. We see member's fascist rants here, offered as comment.

Oh? What's wrong with that? ISIS, Al Q and the Burmese military simply want to make things great again, no?

Aquascoot's always said, dear, the Superior Man's a little bit naughty. He likes to cut a few corners to get things done. Take Caesar crossing the Rubicon. The Roman Republic wasn't destroyed in a day, you know. We need great men to take charge and get things done.

Where would we be without the ISISes, Al Qs and Burmese militaries? Where would we be without the Caesars? And yes, where would we be without the noble Vlads, building palaces, invading countries and managing the skim? They're just making things great again, that's all.

Imagine a world without the Superior Man and his followers,  Issue. You can't?

Well. Best you stop complaining then.

Think about this. Several disgruntled nations led by Russia decide to stop using the US dollar. They plan a big conference with lots of media attention, but the leader of the second most powerful country in the world can't go, because he's afraid of being arrested. So he sends one of his lackeys instead.

issuevoter wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2023 at 7:52pm:

Think about this. Several disgruntled nations led by Russia decide to stop using the US dollar. They plan a big conference with lots of media attention, but the leader of the second most powerful country in the world can't go, because he's afraid of being arrested. So he sends one of his lackeys instead.

I'm sorry, Issue, that would never happen. Vlad's a can-do leader, the kind of guy who pulls out all stops to get things done, full steam ahead. Can you really imagine him pulling out of the most important event on his global agenda because of some silly Western threat?

Col. Macgregor interviewed two days ago: Ukraine's already been defeated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-zs24H1L5A

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 3:06pm:

Col. Macgregor interviewed two days ago: Ukraine's already been defeated https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-zs24H1L5A

There's no question that Ukraine has lost a huge amount of territory and many thousands of lives. And they may very well be over-run by the heavily armed Moscovites, but the fat lady is yet to sing. It should be remembered that all this talk of a counter offensive was started by the copy hungry media last winter. It was obvious to anyone there would be a lot of fighting when the ground hardened. Governments and militaries do not announce actual operations ahead of time.

Ukraine has made two breakthroughs, how they will fare we will see.

Russia has choices. They could end the war today. Ukraine has no choice, and never did. At the moment, they are not attacking Russia. So, if they get to the point where Ukraine defeat is inevitable, I think I'd move out of Moscow.

The barbarian Ukrainian wheat-crushers will flatten Moscow.
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukrainian-farmer-mine-sweeping-tractor-wrecked-russian-tanks-2023-5

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 3:06pm:

Col. Macgregor interviewed two days ago: Ukraine's already been defeated https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-zs24H1L5A

Still taking RuZZian propaganda dick up the shitshooter, eh, Dingbatstupidity?

issuevoter wrote on Jul 27^th, 2023 at 8:04pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Jul 27th, 2023 at 3:06pm: Col. Macgregor interviewed two days ago: Ukraine's already been defeated https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-zs24H1L5A There's no question that Ukraine has lost a huge amount of territory and many thousands of lives. And they may very well be over-run by the heavily armed Moscovites, but the fat lady is yet to sing. It should be remembered that all this talk of a counter offensive was started by the copy hungry media last winter. It was obvious to anyone there would be a lot of fighting when the ground hardened. Governments and militaries do not announce actual operations ahead of time.

Biden’s making a lot of money out of pretty much a civil war.

His govt advisors also manufacture armaments.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 30^th, 2023 at 8:26am:

Biden’s making a lot of money out of pretty much a civil war. His govt advisors also manufacture armaments.

Fu*king retard.


Look for employment.

I am not convinced Ukraine can win this war, it is fabulously expensive, but here is what the Russian "Steamroller" costs. Putin lovers will not be able to sit through this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVOPCOPjUUM

The war costs nothing. Putin is not paying and is doing OK.
The Navalny FBK investigation estimated the cost of Putin's palace to be over 100 billion rubles (US$956 million) at 2022 prices. Russian people don't know nothing, don't own Russia and never have. Chinese cash for Russian oil is no-one's business.

chimera wrote on Jul 30^th, 2023 at 10:13am:

The war costs nothing.

There you go, Issue, you listen to JaSin.

Case closed.

'Even more important than what Russia’s “growth” really means, however, is the fact that the Kremlin’s figures cannot be trusted. That’s because Russia has made statistics a central part of its information war'.

Vlad's special nazi blitz is going to plan, no Russians are harmed and Joe will surrender.

The only way this can end is with Ukraine surrendering Crimea and the southern/southeastern oblasts to Russia, similar to the deal Finland had to take with Stalin.

The only question is: how to take the deal and not have it look like a Ukrainian capitulation?

The only answer: after a long stalemate and when both sides lose the will and the resources to continue.

I'd bet the West will end the supply of military materiel to Ukraine when Russia has exhausted all options other than nuclear - forcing a ceasefire and stalemate.

Ukraine may get to keep any territory it can recapture and hold in its current counter-offensive. After that, it's farewell to southern Ukraine.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 30^th, 2023 at 5:08pm:

The only way this can end is with Ukraine surrendering Crimea and the southern/southeastern oblasts to Russia, similar to the deal Finland had to take with Stalin. The only question is: how to take the deal and not have it look like a Ukrainian capitulation? The only answer: after a long stalemate and when both sides lose the will and the resources to continue. I'd bet the West will end the supply of military materiel to Ukraine when Russia has exhausted all options other than nuclear - forcing a ceasefire and stalemate. Ukraine may get to keep any territory it can recapture and hold in its current counter-offensive. After that, it's farewell to southern Ukraine.

Shut the fu*k up, stupid hippie

marla is just an alt account rite

like what kind of weirdo american would hang out on this hole

what an unpleasant person

its a well known fact that marla is a fat 60 yo white male who works at the DMV and has a boss who rodes his ass.

he is angry and frustrated but too scared to act out in his workplace, so he creates a fake persona (hip young female leftie ) and gets to vent on the internet

its incredibly common.

probably got banned from twitter and FB and so has to seek out fringe sites

very much a walter mitty and a cautionary tale

JC Denton wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 4:28am:

marla is just an alt account rite like what kind of weirdo american would hang out on this hole what an unpleasant person

Awww, you offended, hippie?

Anyhoo, this is great. More and more dead RuZZians are on the way!

https://youtu.be/4oEf-QXE2MY


Keep on sending them and Ukraine will keep on slaughtering them

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 30^th, 2023 at 5:08pm:

The only way this can end is with Ukraine surrendering Crimea and the southern/southeastern oblasts to Russia, similar to the deal Finland had to take with Stalin. The only question is: how to take the deal and not have it look like a Ukrainian capitulation? The only answer: after a long stalemate and when both sides lose the will and the resources to continue. I'd bet the West will end the supply of military materiel to Ukraine when Russia has exhausted all options other than nuclear - forcing a ceasefire and stalemate. Ukraine may get to keep any territory it can recapture and hold in its current counter-offensive. After that, it's farewell to southern Ukraine.

It certainly looks that way, but I wouldn't put money on it.

One of the things that makes reading a lot of members stuff pointless, is that they tend to post outcomes they hope for, outcomes that suit their prejudice. The classic was when Greg predicted Hillary Clinton would defeat Trump by a huge margin. There was no indication, other than wishful-thinking.

Putin's boys keep talking about nukes. Hitler did and wanted Paris to burn. But nukes aren't cheap.
'The Manhattan Project involved the labor of some 500,000 people, nearly 1% of the entire US civilian labor force and $2bn. By comparison, the Nazi Uranverein nuke was budgeted US$2 million, one-thousandth of the American expenditure'.

The US used them and Hitler would have. Equality in nuke capability probably makes a difference.

We know now, the Axis had no chance of developing a nuclear weapon.

issuevoter wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 11:25am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 30th, 2023 at 5:08pm: The only way this can end is with Ukraine surrendering Crimea and the southern/southeastern oblasts to Russia, similar to the deal Finland had to take with Stalin. The only question is: how to take the deal and not have it look like a Ukrainian capitulation? The only answer: after a long stalemate and when both sides lose the will and the resources to continue. I'd bet the West will end the supply of military materiel to Ukraine when Russia has exhausted all options other than nuclear - forcing a ceasefire and stalemate. Ukraine may get to keep any territory it can recapture and hold in its current counter-offensive. After that, it's farewell to southern Ukraine. It certainly looks that way, but I wouldn't put money on it.

I would.

It's not like Russia is going to pack up and move to the Bahamas after this is over.

They will remain neighbours and, like Stalin's Soviet Union before this, the Russians are going to need an outcome they can live with. Defeat and humiliation cannot happen - that would destabilise the entirety of Central Asia,

And, given even Navalny has little respect for Ukrainian sovereignty, this Ukrainian 'desertion' (as the Russians may imagine it) will remain in the Russian psyche for generations.

There was substantial support by US Germans for nazism. In 1945 the US had solved the uranium fuel problem and some among the massive labour team were Germanic who could have spied. But by then Germany's industry was gone.

chimera wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 4:16pm:

There was substantial support by US Germans for nazism. In 1945 the US had solved the uranium fuel problem and some among the massive labour team were Germanic who could have spied. But by then Germany's industry was gone.

Those Germans on the Manhatten Project were nearly all Jews,

And by the time they had developed the bomb, Germany had surrendered,

They missed by 3 months.
So it was the jet fighters which surprised the Yanks and not a wonder weapon mit sparken und flasch fur die kaput.

This is great. RuZZia is ripping itself apart.

https://youtu.be/qJzf5N2ALr4

chimera wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 4:32pm:

They missed by 3 months. So it was the jet fighters which surprised the Yanks and not a wonder weapon mit sparken und flasch fur die kaput.

German jets did not surprise anyone. The allies were working on them at the same time.

marla and issuevoter competing for the gold medal in the coper sweepstakes

Allied pilots were surprised by the aircraft’s speed and armament;
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/day-germanys-first-jet-fighter-soared-history-180978152/

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 31^st, 2023 at 4:15pm:

It certainly looks that way, but I wouldn't put money on it.

I would.

It's not like Russia is going to pack up and move to the Bahamas after this is over.

They will remain neighbours and, like Stalin's Soviet Union before this, the Russians are going to need an outcome they can live with. Defeat and humiliation cannot happen - that would destabilise the entirety of Central Asia,

And, given even Navalny has little respect for Ukrainian sovereignty, this Ukrainian 'desertion' (as the Russians may imagine it) will remain in the Russian psyche for generations.



An event comming up that will be important, is the US election. Trump as president would be a "loose cannon" on the allied ship. But we cannot discount Russian stupidity either.

Russian hatred of Ukraine is not going to be anything like Ukraine's of them. As for destabilising Central Asia, they don't seem all that enthusiastic about Moscow anyway.

But the people who will never forget are those who lost money. Big money.

Big brother may be turning on little Vlad.
'China would be represented in Jeddah in Saudi Arabia for a meeting of national security advisers seeking to agree on the main principles for a future peace settlement. Russia is not attending.

“China is willing to work with the international community to continue to play a constructive role in promoting a political solution to the crisis in Ukraine,” Wang Wenbin, a spokesperson at the Chinese ministry, said in a statement'.

chimera wrote on Aug 5^th, 2023 at 4:43am:

Big brother may be turning on little Vlad. 'China would be represented in Jeddah in Saudi Arabia for a meeting of national security advisers seeking to agree on the main principles for a future peace settlement. Russia is not attending. “China is willing to work with the international community to continue to play a constructive role in promoting a political solution to the crisis in Ukraine,” Wang Wenbin, a spokesperson at the Chinese ministry, said in a statement'.

this will be a completely meaningless empty event

But China's turn-around in the future could be interesting.
The US analyst went on to say: "The fact that China has gone despite Russia's absence says to me that the Chinese are carefully hedging away from their unstinting support for Moscow in this war."

chimera wrote on Aug 6^th, 2023 at 1:31am:

But China's turn-around in the future could be interesting. The US analyst went on to say: "The fact that China has gone despite Russia's absence says to me that the Chinese are carefully hedging away from their unstinting support for Moscow in this war."

its not a turn around

theyll say the same sh1t they always do

blah blah blah we support negotiations blah blah blah

this is pantomime that only people like you fall for bc youre coping and want things to go your way

'Chinese are carefully hedging away'.

"Hedging is a risk management strategy employed to offset losses in investments by taking an opposite position in a related asset. The reduction in risk provided by hedging also typically results in a reduction in potential profits. Hedging requires one to pay money for the protection it provides, known as the premium".

Just going when Russia doesn't is part of the sea change.

issuevoter wrote on Aug 4^th, 2023 at 7:47am:

As for destabilising Central Asia, they don't seem all that enthusiastic about Moscow anyway.

It's not a matter of enthusiasm, it's a matter of the capacity to repel and reject Russian influence in favour of, say, CCP influence, which is already preparing to fill the potential power vacuum.

Short of that, in a post-Russian influence collapse, there is the potential of furthering the progress of militant Islamism - given the central Asian republics are mainly Muslim.

China gives a feeling like a vulture circling a dead animal.

“China did not object, as it has never objected that Ukraine’s territorial integrity should be respected,” said Igor Zhovkva, deputy head of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s office at the Saudi meeting.
Not a good look for Putin.

Fast forward to 1:00. Moscow TV cites 284,000 Russians killed in the "Special Military Operation."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f25hWjlZrFA

'Russian prosecutors have already opened more than 5,800 cases against people for discrediting the armed forces'.
That poor girl is gone..

Hey Fascists, you need to watch this video, and revaluate your hero.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJkZU7mtLpE

issuevoter wrote on Aug 8^th, 2023 at 12:21pm:

Fast forward to 1:00. Moscow TV cites 284,000 Russians killed in the "Special Military Operation." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f25hWjlZrFA

if you actually believe that number youre a retard

there hasn't even been that many casualties on both sides all up let alone on one

fmd man go read a f_cking book. like something about how modern wars are fought or something

Lock her up.

Kill a Commie for mommy

https://youtu.be/puU980qAnDM

Marla wrote on Aug 15^th, 2023 at 6:52am:

Kill a Commie for mommy https://youtu.be/puU980qAnDM

Giving up the annexed territory, Russia's response to the Saudi conferrence, is actually another lie. From day one, all of Ukraine is what Putin wants. Anything less and he is unlikely to survive. So Ukraine's position on negotiations is of no consequence.

I should point out this is an Australian forum, and here, Commie and Mommy actually rhyme with a short O. So it doesn't really work for us. You'll here the English "Mum" in Australia.

Most American dialects distort Commie to rhyme with the way they say Mommy, sounding like (C-ah-mmie) M-ah-mie, obviously based on Ma as an abreviation of Mother.

You're a "pom" aren't you?

No it's parmy. in arstralia.

Marla wrote on Aug 15^th, 2023 at 8:39am:

You're a "pom" aren't you?

Australian, born and bred. Student of elocution. (rather rare here)

Empires are not made over night. They grow over long periods of economic expansion. You can't decide to build one like a house.

Napoleon decides to create an empire. Failed.

Kaiser Wilhem and Bismark decide to create an empire. Failed.

Hitler decided to create an empire. Failed.

Japanese Lords decide to create an empire. Failed.

Stalin decides to create an empire. Failed.

Putin decides to create an empire. . . watch this space.

Meanwhile the Ruble is crashing.

These attempts all were based on the envy of existing empires.

Putin may win after losing everything so far:
Sweden and Finland join NATO
Drones hit Moscow
1/2 his armoured vehicles gone
economy shot
near civil war with Prigozhin
50,000+ casualties
Putin Bridge broken, twice
navy ships gone
Red Square parade a fizzer
nowhere near Kyiv.

Why can’t we be honest about Ukraine’s counter-offensive?

In early June one of the world’s foremost military intelligence experts David Petraeus said the Ukrainian counteroffensive would be “very impressive”. But to date it has been a disaster – one that should question the wisdom of providing further military and rhetorical support for the war, which could ultimately weaken Ukraine’s bargaining position in peace negotiations.

In more than two months Ukraine has retaken little territory at an unknown cost, despite months of Western training and total NATO military and economic aid since January 2022 of €165bn ($279bn – more than five times Australia’s annual defence budget), according to the Kiel Institute. Between 20,000 and 50,000 Ukrainians have lost one or more limbs since the start of the war, The Wall Street Journal reported earlier this month.

Even before the counteroffensive began, Ukraine had lost some 100,000 soldiers, according to US General Mark Milley. The reality could be even worse given Western media has generally created the impression that Ukraine is “winning”, even though more than five million Ukrainians have emigrated, the nation’s infrastructure has been crippled and more than 20 per cent of its territory is occupied.

In the Vietnam War the US, which then had a population over 200 million (more than five times that of Ukraine), lost around 60,000 soldiers. It lost 2400 in Afghanistan over 20 years.

Last year Elon Musk was derided for suggesting Russia be allowed to keep Crimea and the UN hold referendums on the status of the four annexed provinces in eastern Ukraine.

“This is highly likely to be the outcome in the end – just a question of how many die before then,” he said, prompting accusations the world’s richest man was on Vladimir Putin’s payroll.  Almost a year on, having instead heeded the wisdom of foreign policy experts, that looks like a best-case scenario.

Russia’s military advantage appears insurmountable in troops and artillery without mobilising, and sanctions appear to have failed. Eight in 10 Russians say they haven’t personally been affected them, according to a recent survey by the Chicago Council of Global Affairs. Crimea – supposedly under threat from Ukrainian military – is currently overflowing with Russian tourists.

Moreover, by promising to welcome Ukraine into NATO after the war ends (something Russia launched its invasion to prevent), Moscow has an incentive to keep the war going and even seize more of the country to make its ultimate NATO membership less of a problem. The promise of “Ukraine in NATO” created ample opportunities for virtue signalling but may have extended the war for years.

In May, Donald Trump was mocked by foreign policy experts during a CNN Town Hall interview for refusing to say whether he supported Ukraine “winning”. “I want everybody to stop dying. They’re dying. Russians and Ukrainians. I want them to stop dying,” he said. Experts were furious but his opinion may increasingly reflect that of the US public.

A CNN poll last week found 55 per cent of Americans opposed sending further aid – well up from 17 per cent in February 2022 when Russia launched its invasion. Yet the Biden administration asked congress last week for another $US24bn in aid for Ukraine – fully backed by top Republicans.

“We haven’t lost a single American … Most of the money that we spend related to Ukraine is actually spent in the US, replenishing weapons … So it’s actually employing people here and improving our own military for what may lie ahead,” Republican Senate leader Mitch McConnell said, batting away criticism.

However much a boon for the US defence industry the war is, it’s not clear ordinary Ukrainians want it to continue. Opposition parties have been banned in Ukraine. Elections have been suspended. And all media and journalists have been under state control since January.

For months, social media has been awash with videos of young Ukrainian men being dragged into trucks to be sent to the frontline. Last week President Volodymyr Zelensky sacked 24 senior enlistment officers after it emerged wealthy Ukrainians were paying up to $US10,000 to avoid the draft, according to The New York Times.
Governments and their citizens’ interests diverge sharply during wartime, given the costs of fighting fall mainly on the latter.

In 2008 Putin privately told George W. Bush Ukraine would be dismembered if it sought NATO membership, according to John Mearsheimer’s 2018 book, The Great Delusion, which chronicles the disastrous unintended consequences of US foreign policy since 9/11. ...The sad reality is Moscow’s interests and arguments, whether we agree with them or not, will need to be taken into account in Ukraine, at least as much as Washington’s.

If that means the Russian-speaking parts of Ukraine become part of Russia, or even if Ukraine has to promise not to join NATO, perhaps that’s preferable to another 100,000 young Ukrainians dying or losing their limbs, and Moscow and Beijing becoming even closer allies. It may not be forever: Russia won’t be able to hold on to the territories it has annexed if the people don’t want to be part of Russia. Time will tell.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/why-cant-we-be-honest-about-ukraines-counteroffensive/news-story/c451db292be55f3540ce50cd994145dd

Frank wrote on Aug 16^th, 2023 at 12:34pm:

Why can’t we be honest about Ukraine’s counter-offensive?

tl;dr

https://www.economist.com/img/b/595/335/90/sites/default/files/images/print-edition/20161210_EUD001_0.jpg

The so-called "counter offensive" is a product of journalism, although it has been adopted by Zelensky at times. Its a war, with advance and retreat on both sides. Petreus' evaluation was hyperbole. I for one, was not convinced. The only prediction that can be made is that Russia's new territories are going to cost them dearly, not just some soldiers killed. They can always find more of those. The free world is not going to do business with Russia under its present Fascist government, and a huge number of talented people have or will leave for the West.

The main difference in the two sides is that Russia has choices, while Ukraine has none. The war started with the Russian lies that
1. Ukraine is part of Russia. Read some Conrad on the subject, and he was before the USSR.
2. The invasion was because of the NATO threat to Russia. After Georgia and Crimea, Putin believed NATO would not intervene in his Ukraine invasion, and Europe was run by peaceniks. So where's the threat?

And look at the faces of these men. "Me tough Rooshan!" On the rare occasions Putin cracks a smile, he looks like he's going to be sick.

The main difference between Ukrainians and Russians is that names of the former end in -ko while that of the latter in -ov.  (I am simplifying but only a little). The Rus had their first capital in Kiev, Moscow was an afterthought. We all come from Gogol's overcoat, as Russians love to remind everyone, and Gogol was Ukrainians.

I am also baffled- like so many before mee- about what Slavs are thinking. There is no love lost between Russians and northern Slavs but the southern Slavs and the Russians couldn't be more pan-slavic. Russia backed the Serbs in starting WWI and again in the 1990s with no territorial or other material interest, only sentiment of oanslavic brotherhood. Which counted for nothing when Poland could be cannibalised in cahoots with the Gerermans, twice or was it three times?

Ukraine,  Schmukraine. It's as distinct from Russia as NSW is from Victoria. It takes a some twisted slavic delusion to start a war like this. Which is what the West is exploiting. A strong Russia, whether tsarist, Sovief or Putinesque, is not in the West's interest. So of course they jump on the opportunity to help Russia self-mutilate.

As if straight out of Roger Ramjet, when United States Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Mark Milley admits Ukraine’s counter-offensive ‘hasn’t been a total failure’, you know it’s not long until this proxy war against Russia is exposed as a disaster. Just like the fall of Rome, it wasn’t the boots who lost Ukraine it was the suits. Right now, on so many levels, we are in a fight for the soul of the West. This is what the suits miss. That’s what is at stake. And Ukraine is a good example of how much damage can be done by so few to the lives of so many.

It’s not that the war in Ukraine has made Russia stronger; it’s that it has made the West weaker. This should be of major concern to Australia. As our country embarks on the Aukus deal we should be demanding answers not about the hardware, but about the software; in other words, the people dictating our strategic direction. It’s people who fight wars, not machines.

Putting aside that this proxy war with Russia should have never happened, once it was certain, the suits at Nato failed to deliver. Instead, they suffered from the four poisons of the mind – fear, confusion, hesitation and surprise. When it comes to physical confrontation, in the absence of Odysseus’s cunning, the best approach is Achilles’: swift, brutal and decisive.

One of those responsible for the mess in Europe and a weakened Nato, is European Union Commissioner Ursula von der Leyen. Ms von der Leyen is an example of what happens to the security of a nation led by the woke-globalists. During her time as German Defence Minister, units of the Bundeswehr had to use broomsticks for guns during a Nato exercise. Meanwhile, transgender workshops are all the rage within the US military. Now these same people want more war with Russia, and it appears China. Yet, nothing suggests the suits will have learned their lesson.

While displaying formidable synchronisation of mortars, drones and small unit tactics, Ukraine does not have an endless supply of soldiers. The counter-offensive has resulted in the slaughter of between 25,000 and 28,000 Ukraine soldiers, possibly more. This is on top of the 300,000 already dead and an equal number wounded. Next time you are at a full house at the MCG, think three times more. It is estimated Ukraine has ten brigades left, somewhere between 35,000 and 40,000 trained and equipped troops.  Ukrainian soldiers did everything demanded of them by US President Joe Biden and the suits at Nato. Yet President Biden, Milley, and US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken, along with the rest of the suits claim Russia has lost.

As with Barbie, they are living in a parallel universe. And most Western media just goes along with it, more obsessed with bending truths than delivering cold hard facts.  Asking questions, makes you a Putin stooge. So, this fantasy continues. Now our ammunition cupboards are bare, and Australia can only send stuff stored in the back paddock. At the same time most of the world does not support the West’s position because with the return of big-power politics, it’s the strongest tribe. And they are sick of being lectured by the suits in the West.

The one aspect lost on the suits is that war in Ukraine represents a fight for the soul of all that has made the West great. Like the withdrawal from Afghanistan, it is another flashing flight on the dashboard of the West. That is what’s on the line. While we reward participation, they refuse to be victims.  While we demand equality of outcome, they study harder. Even infrastructure projects, such as roads, bridges, airports, and wharves must be ‘gender inclusive’, whatever that means. And in a game of grand strategy, we are told Putin doesn’t fight fair.

Potential allies siting on the fence are not going to support a side unsure of itself.  A side that constantly lectures itself about its supposed evil and racist past and present. Take Foreign Policy magazine’s article by Dr Bret Devereaux arguing the US Army doesn’t need warriors. The brave Dr Devereaux ridicules the idea of emulating the Spartan ethos. According to Dr Devereaux anyone aspiring to be a Spartan is a right-wing nut job. It’s this ideology that leads to weak men. As Canadian psychologist Jordan Peterson says, it’s not dangerous and disciplined men letting the West down, or the community or their family, its weak men. Whether Spartan, US or Ukrainian soldier, we want them in our trenches, just not the suits.

With this attitude it’s not surprising Nato has failed. All this while Europe and the US are in a domestic mess. Their open-borders policy is allowing in millions with zero affiliation with Western values, freedom, democracy and culture. Consider the effect on the state’s responsibility to preserve power and security in a generation. Who thinks they are interested in our national security? Even Western banks such as those in the UK are in on it, cancelling the accounts of those they deem as ‘politically exposed’. This is on top of 1984-style censorship laws and where defending women can get you labelled a Nazi.

Tanks, submarines, Javelins, F-35s and Aukus deals are not ends in themselves. These pieces of kit, and our soldiers, are the means to defend all we hold dear. Just ask Israel. Big or small, conflict runs along a moral, mental and physical continuum. Virtue and windmills will not protect you from bullies.

https://www.spectator.com.au/2023/08/a-fight-for-the-soul-of-the-west/

It is hard to understand the idea of a "failed" NATO when it has not been attacked. NATO is a defensive pact, and it is trying to support Ukraine without bringing on a general engagement with the Russian Federation. But that's putting it diplomatically.

This is Putin's war which is not universally supported in Russia, except by the nutjobs on their TV, and nationalist stooges. He is a KGB communist policeman who did not appove of the break up of the Soviet Union. He's trying to re-establish it, by crushing home opposition and taking on what he thought were soft targets.

One of Putin's assumptions was old as dirt. Tell what ever lies you need to get the war going, and once families see body bags coming home, their reaction will be naturally patriotic. Works every time. Look at Bush's Iraq invasion.

The bottom line is that Putin is creating a Fascist state, and none of us, even the most contrary, would want to live under those conditions.

'Russian authorities have filed a lawsuit against Andrey Melnichenko as they seek to seize and nationalise one of the companies in the billionaire oligarch’s metals and mining empire, claiming its purchase five years ago was a corrupt deal. The state’s accusations come amid a campaign by the Kremlin to entice wealthy Russians to bring their wealth and businesses back home'.

There's no corruption in Putin's Holy Russia. That's a NATO big lie, where did that idea come from?

issuevoter wrote on Aug 17^th, 2023 at 1:59pm:

It is hard to understand the idea of a "failed" NATO when it has not been attacked. NATO is a defensive pact, and it is trying to support Ukraine without bringing on a general engagement with the Russian Federation. But that's putting it diplomatically. This is Putin's war which is not universally supported in Russia, except by the nutjobs on their TV, and nationalist stooges. He is a KGB communist policeman who did not appove of the break up of the Soviet Union. He's trying to re-establish it, by crushing home opposition and taking on what he thought were soft targets. One of Putin's assumptions was old as dirt. Tell what ever lies you need to get the war going, and once families see body bags coming home, their reaction will be naturally patriotic. Works every time. Look at Bush's Iraq invasion. The bottom line is that Putin is creating a Fascist state, and none of us, even the most contrary, would want to live under those conditions.

creating?

as in russia has been a democracy for the last 2 centuries ??

Quote:

The bottom line is that Putin is creating a Fascist state, and none of us, even the most contrary, would want to live under those conditions.

hyperbolic bullsh1t

there's nothing remotely fascistic or even particularly ideological about the kremlins

they're boomer ijustwanttogrillists (probably like you), more than anything resembling hitler or mussolini

and speak for your f_ckin self huh

I love visiting the garden BBQ at The Main Cathedral of the Russian Armed Forces (Cathedral of the Resurrection of Christ; Russian: Главный храм Вооружённых сил России (Храм Воскресения Христова) a lavish Russian Patriarchal cathedral in honour of the Resurrection of Christ and "dedicated to the 75th anniversary of victory in the Great Patriotic War, as well as the military feats of the Russian people in all wars". Dear V Putin, comrade and griller, had his face painted in a mural there with the angels and the Lord of Holy Russia. He kindly looks after hell.

how is your padded cell today

Thank you, it's comfortable with carpet underlay and our new mattress underlay. Putin has some too, no doubt.
Navalny was inciting and financing extremism, creating an illegal NGO, the rehabilitation of Nazism, and inciting children to dangerous acts. Navalny can only see family once a year and receive one parcel each year. He will be forbidden from talking to fellow inmates. Convicts are led around the prison with their heads bent down and are only allowed to take occasional walks inside a closed courtyard. His treatment will continue for 19 years in an unpadded cell.

JC Denton wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 4:57pm:

Quote: The bottom line is that Putin is creating a Fascist state, and none of us, even the most contrary, would want to live under those conditions. hyperbolic bullsh1t there's nothing remotely fascistic or even particularly ideological about the kremlins they're boomer ijustwanttogrillists (probably like you), more than anything resembling hitler or mussolini and speak for your f_ckin self huh

Exactly. What's wrong with Fascism? The Volkswagen, the autobahn, great industrialists like IG. They certainly make the trains run on time, no?

You're right, JC. The whole white-nationalist Kremlin shtick is just a front for a kleptocracy with its hands on the skim. Pretending to be the autocratic social conservative alternative to Western liberal democracy is just a bit of fun.

After all, Vlad's also seeking to prise away the tinted races of the BRIC from their former colonial European masters. Sure, Adolf pioneered such pragmatic alliances by going in with the Japs and deploying the Muselman against the Jew, but he stayed true to Nazi ideology by tearing up his friendship pact with the USSR and invading the communist Slavs.

In some ways, Vlad has done the same, but in the opposite direction. However, he has isolated and weakened Russia in the process. By invading Western-leaning Ukraine, Vlad's cut Russia off from Europe and America, and in so doing, he's placed the Ruski Mir under the thumb of Xi. Russia no longer controls the toll gate between East and West. Vlad's stuck hawking cheap oil to India and Chi-na and watching the Soviet satelites along the old Silk Road fold into Xi's belt and road. Vlad is left bowing down before Xi as Russia's only means of survival.

Just think, it all could have been so beautiful. Russia in charge of BRIC, Wagner deployed in whatever whatever far-flung African or Middle Eastern country you want to skim and the IT/propaganda capability to hack, skew and influence elections all over the planet.

There was a time when Vlad had kompromat on a US president for God's sake. If he didn't like a foreign political candidate, he just had to hack and leak her emails. But no, Vlad had to go off, invade Ukraine and bring the whole thing crashing down.

It's hubris like this that fucks with your entire vision of an authoritarian utopia, JC, but it's a flaw built into the model itself. Like Hitler and Mussolini before him, Vlad's nationalist authoritarianism has brought his empire down. This is the problem with autocratic regimes. The very thing you give them credit for - hierarchy, strong leadership, a chain of command, order and control - inevitably weighs them down and, like Icarus, leads to their fall when they fly too close to the sun.

Western democracy has survived as long as it has because it's flexible enough to yield to just enough popular consent. This is why Vlad can't possibly defeat Ukraine: he would need to subdue an entire population, a population that's already staged a revolution, ousted a Russian puppet government and experienced a rush of popular nationalism. 

Vlad has succeeded in Russia, on the other hand, because he exercised control gradually, in increments, and took the mass media with him. He also provided economic carrots and sticks to the right economic players and social/political classes.

But he stopped listening, and this has led to his downfall. He came to believe in his own PR, his infallibility, but also Russia's. A resource economy can't survive without export markets. Russia relies on foreign powers for its own economic survival. This is the one thing your own isolationist white nationalist instinct always ignores: the global economy is integrated. This is not an ideological construct, but an economic reality.

The authoritarian nationalist instinct inevitably results in the kind of destiny Vlad has invoked for Russia. Fascism can only lead, as Hitler and Mussolini found, to counter invasion and suicide, or as Franco found, to a form of social/economic paralysis. The USSR suffered the latter fate. Vlad's regime is yet to collapse, but we all know it will.

You?

JC Denton wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 9:27pm:

how is your padded cell today

How's your psychiatric medication today?

Marla wrote on Aug 31^st, 2023 at 6:00am:

JC Denton wrote on Aug 23rd, 2023 at 9:27pm: how is your padded cell today How's your psychiatric medication today?

Hi Marla,
How's your pot hunting going?
Got any good stuff lately worth boasting about?

Say Blooby, how the job hunting going for you?

Marla wrote on Aug 31^st, 2023 at 6:35am:

Say Blooby, how the job hunting going for you?

Have you got an opening at the DMV Walter Mitty

JC Denton wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 4:57pm:

the kremlins , more than anything resembling hitler or mussolini

Ukraine probably won't need to attack every Russian trench and tank. There may be a tipping point where Crimea is under credible threat of blockade. Putin could then be discredited and the next Tsar bops him off. That point may be at hand.

Putin thought Crimea could be part of Russia, his Russia, which is basically Moscow and St Pete. He did have the history of Catherine to back up his claim, but he didn't have legal way, because his USSR made it part of Ukraine. So he took Crimea by force and began a campaign of denying any sovereignty to Ukraine at all. So far so good.

Crimea is handy stategically, but it is also meant to be a part of Russia with a civilian population, industry, agriculture and tourism. These things are no longer working and people are leaving. So it will have to be a fortress, but that's a target which Ukraine is not going to stop lobbing munitions into.

The only way Russians will get to use Crimea is by the complete defeat of Ukraine, and right now, the US is talking about long range missiles.

Putin's bridge is shot up. With the roads blocked, so is his army.

Marla wrote on Aug 31^st, 2023 at 6:35am:

Say Blooby, how the job hunting going for you?

Bobby?

A big deal. Ukraine has just crossed the strongest Russian mine-field and trenches.  Putin has told school-kids that Russia is invincible but there is a small correction to his word .

Two more Russian defence lines have been crossed. Putin is not worried as his info is that Kyiv Nazis are begging to surender.

Putin committed his best troops first. Those left must be getting tired, and the conscripts don't want to be there anyway. When the USSR collapsed, within weeks, the national industries and resources were owned by the men who became olegarchs. Putin made them even richer, but his plan failed and they lost huge amounts of money and international property. Putin has no way out. Win or he's a dead man.

issuevoter wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 11:56am:

Putin committed his best troops first. Those left must be getting tired, and the conscripts don't want to be there anyway. When the USSR collapsed, within weeks, the national industries and resources were owned by the men who became olegarchs. Putin made them even richer, but his plan failed and they lost huge amounts of money and international property. Putin has no way out. Win or he's a dead man.

It's not as simple as that.

Oligarchs don't actually own the money, although they do get to use a lot of it.

Putin invites his friends to be the frontmen (oligarchs) of the cash mountains.

So long as the frontmen remain loyal to Putin and protect him from direct involvement in their dealings, all is well.

However, Putin controls all the cash and can confiscate it at any time (almost always for disloyalty; incompetence, not so much), but, being Russian, falling out with Putin is like falling out of a window - literally.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 4:35pm:

issuevoter wrote on Sep 5th, 2023 at 11:56am: Putin committed his best troops first. Those left must be getting tired, and the conscripts don't want to be there anyway. When the USSR collapsed, within weeks, the national industries and resources were owned by the men who became olegarchs. Putin made them even richer, but his plan failed and they lost huge amounts of money and international property. Putin has no way out. Win or he's a dead man. It's not as simple as that. Oligarchs don't actually own the money, although they do get to use a lot of it. Putin invites his friends to be the frontmen (oligarchs) of the cash mountains. So long as the frontmen remain loyal to Putin and protect him from direct involvement in their dealings, all is well. However, Putin controls all the cash and can confiscate it at any time (almost always for disloyalty; incompetence, not so much), but, being Russian, falling out with Putin is like falling out of a window - literally.

The Olegarchies predate Putin's presidency.

'Russian President Vladimir Putin has reinforced his National Guard with an elite special-forces unit to protect him in case of another rebellion, the British newspaper The Telegraph reported. The National Guard, created by Putin in 2016, has 320,000 men and reports directly to him rather than the Ministry of Defense.

It's headed by Putin's loyal former bodyguard, Viktor Zolotov, and its main functions have included cracking down on anti-government protests'.
Other tyrants have used women guards who would be less likely to rebel. However, many of these now have dead relatives from Putin's war. One bottle of vodka, one bullet...

issuevoter wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 4:53pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 5th, 2023 at 4:35pm: issuevoter wrote on Sep 5th, 2023 at 11:56am: Putin committed his best troops first. Those left must be getting tired, and the conscripts don't want to be there anyway. When the USSR collapsed, within weeks, the national industries and resources were owned by the men who became olegarchs. Putin made them even richer, but his plan failed and they lost huge amounts of money and international property. Putin has no way out. Win or he's a dead man. It's not as simple as that. Oligarchs don't actually own the money, although they do get to use a lot of it. Putin invites his friends to be the frontmen (oligarchs) of the cash mountains. So long as the frontmen remain loyal to Putin and protect him from direct involvement in their dealings, all is well. However, Putin controls all the cash and can confiscate it at any time (almost always for disloyalty; incompetence, not so much), but, being Russian, falling out with Putin is like falling out of a window - literally. The Olegarchies predate Putin's presidency.

They do - by Yeltsin - the man who hand-picked Putin to be his successor after Putin did so well in St. Petersburg protecting the mayor.

Who do you think Yeltsin gave the vault keys to?

This is useful to see the movement through the Russian defences.
You can expand the detail in the lines being breached in the south.
https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/36a7f6a6f5a9448496de641cf64bd375

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 5:24pm:

issuevoter wrote on Sep 5th, 2023 at 4:53pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 5th, 2023 at 4:35pm: issuevoter wrote on Sep 5th, 2023 at 11:56am: Putin committed his best troops first. Those left must be getting tired, and the conscripts don't want to be there anyway. When the USSR collapsed, within weeks, the national industries and resources were owned by the men who became olegarchs. Putin made them even richer, but his plan failed and they lost huge amounts of money and international property. Putin has no way out. Win or he's a dead man. It's not as simple as that. Oligarchs don't actually own the money, although they do get to use a lot of it. Putin invites his friends to be the frontmen (oligarchs) of the cash mountains. So long as the frontmen remain loyal to Putin and protect him from direct involvement in their dealings, all is well. However, Putin controls all the cash and can confiscate it at any time (almost always for disloyalty; incompetence, not so much), but, being Russian, falling out with Putin is like falling out of a window - literally. The Olegarchies predate Putin's presidency. They do - by Yeltsin - the man who hand-picked Putin to be his successor after Putin did so well in St. Petersburg protecting the mayor. Who do you think Yeltsin gave the vault keys to?

Please don't patronise me. I have lived throught this era.

issuevoter wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 7:52pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 5th, 2023 at 5:24pm: issuevoter wrote on Sep 5th, 2023 at 4:53pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 5th, 2023 at 4:35pm: issuevoter wrote on Sep 5th, 2023 at 11:56am: Putin committed his best troops first. Those left must be getting tired, and the conscripts don't want to be there anyway. When the USSR collapsed, within weeks, the national industries and resources were owned by the men who became olegarchs. Putin made them even richer, but his plan failed and they lost huge amounts of money and international property. Putin has no way out. Win or he's a dead man. It's not as simple as that. Oligarchs don't actually own the money, although they do get to use a lot of it. Putin invites his friends to be the frontmen (oligarchs) of the cash mountains. So long as the frontmen remain loyal to Putin and protect him from direct involvement in their dealings, all is well. However, Putin controls all the cash and can confiscate it at any time (almost always for disloyalty; incompetence, not so much), but, being Russian, falling out with Putin is like falling out of a window - literally. The Olegarchies predate Putin's presidency. They do - by Yeltsin - the man who hand-picked Putin to be his successor after Putin did so well in St. Petersburg protecting the mayor. Who do you think Yeltsin gave the vault keys to? Please don't patronise me. I have lived throught this era.

The point being, Russian oligarchs are not like Western billionaires. As frontmen for Putin. they exist only at his pleasure.

He can 'fire' them from the oligarchy at any time, or end them.

When one of them offends Putin to the point where he will not forgive him, (which he has publicly stated is primarily for acts of disloyalty), then the oligarch is gone-gone.

It's the old tradition of Czars granting wealth and land to boyars. That may be part of Putin's hostility to Kyiv's democracy which cancels Russia's heritage.  Czar as 'caesar' is what revs up Russians. Genghiz Khan was one.

'Mongols conquered various principalities in Eastern Europe and began their invasion of Poland and Hungary, by two grandsons of Genghis Khan. Warring European princes realized they had to cooperate in the face of a Mongol invasion, so local wars and conflicts were suspended in parts of central Europe.'

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 4:35pm:

It's not as simple as that. Oligarchs don't actually own the money, although they do get to use a lot of it. Putin invites his friends to be the frontmen (oligarchs) of the cash mountains. So long as the frontmen remain loyal to Putin and protect him from direct involvement in their dealings, all is well. However, Putin controls all the cash and can confiscate it at any time (almost always for disloyalty; incompetence, not so much), but, being Russian, falling out with Putin is like falling out of a window - literally.

https://media.tenor.com/o451yOGthGMAAAAC/wtf-what-the-bugger-are-you-talking-about.gif

Marla wrote on Sep 6^th, 2023 at 12:27pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 5th, 2023 at 4:35pm: It's not as simple as that. Oligarchs don't actually own the money, although they do get to use a lot of it. Putin invites his friends to be the frontmen (oligarchs) of the cash mountains. So long as the frontmen remain loyal to Putin and protect him from direct involvement in their dealings, all is well. However, Putin controls all the cash and can confiscate it at any time (almost always for disloyalty; incompetence, not so much), but, being Russian, falling out with Putin is like falling out of a window - literally. https://media.tenor.com/o451yOGthGMAAAAC/wtf-what-the-bugger-are-you-talking-about.gif

For the Yankists... In the West - Me got money. Money mine. In Russia - Me got money. Money not mine.

'A Russian pilot fired two missiles towards an RAF surveillance plane after mistakenly believing he had permission to fire.
Following the incident last September, Russia claimed it had been caused by a “technical malfunction” with the UK’s Ministry of Defence publicly accepting their explanation.
However, intercepted communications reveal that one of the Russian pilots believed he had been given permission to target the aircraft following an ambiguous command from a Russian ground station'.

Nukes in Belarus are controlled by Putin, or Lukashenko, not sure, maybe by Sergei the night watchman at the missile-truck  depot. He sends texts using the launch console with some odd sorts of icons which flash and start noises in the truck. The map of Europe has symbols all over it too which he tests out.

If it is a steamroller, it needs spare parts, even defective ones. Russia is looking to poverty striken nations for more men. Syrians, now Cubans. Perhaps Koreans.

But if you look at WW2, and the heroism of the airforces and navies, you have to wonder why those Russian services are so cowardly. They get a few ships damaged and the run away. They get a few planes bombed on the ground and run away to safer distances. Where are the big campaigns they were built for? I can only think they don't really believe in the war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSp-iKsPJwg

Adolf could get boys to die defending Berlin when the entire country was broken bricks. Vladimir needs foreigners to make ammo and supply reserve troops for cash. But Hitler did the speech-making course and Putin didn't bother.

By my estimation, Putin has lost one missile frigate, two amphibious assualt ships, one submarine, and at least three thousand tanks. That is just the big stuff. Someone is going to make a killing in scrap metal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ChU0w_5VgM

'With its dark-green exterior and stairs forged out of melted German tanks - and containing some of Hitler’s belongings, including his military cap - the Main Cathedral of the Russian Armed Forces now stands tall just outside Moscow'.
https://www.rbth.com/lifestyle/332333-cathedral-russian-armed-forces

'The floors of the cathedral are metal. The metal is from melted-down Nazi trophies, such as weapons and tanks that were seized from Wehrmacht forces.' 

Russian land-mines are densely packed in Ukraine, two layers deep in some areas. However, a deficiency of  zinc, manganese, and copper in some agricultural soils (Rivne and Volyn regions) is not improved by mines which have little metal, to avoid detection.

I have some good news everybody. More dead RuZZian filth on the way:

https://i.abcnewsfe.com/a/79a087e3-b88f-4a10-a068-95411f70d755/ukraine-atacms-missiles-ht-moe-004-230908_1694194394751_hpEmbed.jpg

REUTERS LINK

Marla wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2023 at 8:34am:

I have some good news everybody. More dead RuZZian filth on the way: IMAGE NEEDED TO BE RESIZED REUTERS LINK

The Biden administration has come in for a lot of criticism over weapons. Either too many, or not enough. But I think their measured response to the Russian invasion has been quite sensible. If they had sent in ATACMS, F16s, Cluster ammunition, Himars, and Abrams in the beginning of the war, it could have complicated alliances and responses. As it is, Putin has to endure the anxiety of what is next.

Another interesting point is how Zelensky's UN address was expected to be answered by a huge Russian attack. Instead, Ukraine bombed the sh!t out of Russian Crimea.

The Russian defence lines are making a disturbing creaking sound. Their supply highways are now just within HIMARS range and technically Ukraine has Crimea within a blockade (almost).  China and NKorea are sending trainloads of gabble talk and no sedatives for little Vlad.

Kremlin orders 230,000 death certificates. I don't if this is true, but I will not be surprised if it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKWN8d_G-jM

Well the amount of Conscripts - citizens with no real military bearing beyond a few weeks training n' marching would have escalated the body count up. All those poor drafted 'slaves' for the Military industry - thrown into the 'expendable' front lines for the more Regular and Seasoned Soldiers. Only to be mowed down or blown to bits. I've seen clips where the Russian conscripts are poorly equipped and wearing 'sneakers' of all things.
If they were smart, they would surrender. At least they void themselves from War. Saw a clip where Conscripts were fleeing the action and getting shot by Russian officers.

America and other nations would do the same.
Australia wouldn't hesitate in 'enslaving' citizens to die for their Medals.

Jasin wrote on Sep 24^th, 2023 at 5:27pm:

Russian conscripts are poorly equipped and wearing 'sneakers' of all things. Conscripts were fleeing the action and getting shot by Russian officers.

The guys asked for running shoes but the officers got suspicious.

The Putin supporters on this forum should know that he hasn't just destroyed the Russian economy, and killed tens of thousands of Russians, he has also expanded NATO. But now, he is releasing dangerous convicted criminals as returned heroes. This will tear at the fabric of Russian society. This video shows what is happening. Those who admire fascist policy can rest ashored, its from Sky News.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsAOkY9rvLM

issue, ypu are a reasonably intelligent guy but do you really think you are being fed a narrative that is not slanted by the western intelligence services?

aquascoot wrote on Sep 25^th, 2023 at 9:34pm:

issue, ypu are a reasonably intelligent guy but do you really think you are being fed a narrative that is not slanted by the western intelligence services?

It doesn't matter if it is slanted. It should be though. I get really tired of psuedo objectivity as if Putin is even partially justified in his bloodbath. NATO was not going to invade Russia, Ukraine or not. Now, because of Putin, it is even closer to Moscow. It is evident he does not care about the consequenced for Russia. He is a Soviet dictator. Always was. That straight faced Russian tough guy schtick probably appeals to you.

issuevoter wrote on Sep 25^th, 2023 at 7:16am:

The Putin supporters on this forum should know that he hasn't just destroyed the Russian economy, and killed tens of thousands of Russians, he has also expanded NATO. But now, he is releasing dangerous convicted criminals as returned heroes. This will tear at the fabric of Russian society. This video shows what is happening. Those who admire fascist policy can rest ashored, its from Sky News. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsAOkY9rvLM

You're assuming the Nazis who support Putin here think that's a bad thing, Issue.

Keeping the bitches in line is just as important as banning the fags and hitting back at the tinted races. It's just what you do.

You?

issuevoter wrote on Sep 25^th, 2023 at 10:56pm:

aquascoot wrote on Sep 25th, 2023 at 9:34pm: issue, ypu are a reasonably intelligent guy but do you really think you are being fed a narrative that is not slanted by the western intelligence services? It doesn't matter if it is slanted. It should be though. I get really tired of psuedo objectivity as if Putin is even partially justified in his bloodbath. NATO was not going to invade Russia, Ukraine or not. Now, because of Putin, it is even closer to Moscow. It is evident he does not care about the consequenced for Russia. He is a Soviet dictator. Always was. That straight faced Russian tough guy schtick probably appeals to you.

Ah. I think you've got it.

A couple of realities. Putin/Russia have a choice. Ukraine does not have that luxury. Catching Ukraine while poorly armed gave Russia a brief opportunity to use those old fashioned field maneuvres.

War is revolution. The Russian navy is being humiliated with cheap little weapons. You better believe the US navy is paying serious attention, and the US is blessing Russia for so many opportunities to test and watch.

The world's second most powerful airforce reduced to protecting their planes with worn out car tires.

It looks to me like Russia will have to sue for peace, because Crimea will become untenable for anything other than infantry. So they would be better off trying to hold Crimea even if it means giving the rest of Ukraine back.

issuevoter wrote on Sep 25^th, 2023 at 11:41pm:

humiliated with cheap little weapons.

And the expensive ones as well.
Now the Abrams tanks are rolling against the pre-loved vehicles. Probably they will go to Verbove and the last lines of trenches.

Not rolling yet. It seems the Abrams are weak against artillery and helicopters. They need Humvees to protect them against manpats. The advances come when men crawl along poking in the dirt for mines. They use sticks. They watch for Russians using stone axes. Or throwing rocks.

"Run away!"

This recent Russian attack is not doing too well. This is a T90. Blew its tracks off. One of many in the last week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd6syeTz7IY

What this War has shown me is the 'costly' $$$ of waging war.
When a single individual with a missile can destroy millions of dollars worth of armament...
...like that Argentinian with a Stinger who wiped out the entire Sheffield Cruiser or Battleship.

It seems its either Nukes or a very very expensive 'conventional' war of lesser things like Tanks, Jet Fighters, Subs, Battleships, etc - all being blown up easily by far cheaper means.

I can see many nations forgo 'Militarisation' as an empowerment for their country as it is becoming a way too expensive game to play.

What I don't get is that the Russian military has spent about 80 years preparing for a massive mechanised sweep into Europe, and when push comes to shove, they never use more than about 15 tanks on a pissy little republic. Admittedly, that little republic is well armed now, but where are the great field maneuvres the Russians were trained for? Is it possible Russia is hollow?

Didn't Condolezza Rice say that Putin was misled on believing that Ukraine wouldn't resist and hence the over-confident entry into attaining Ukraine the way it did?

If Russia expected 'full resistance'. Maybe it would have been different and maybe Russia would still have control of all Ukraine?

As a lot of other European nations had $$$ interests in Russia taking control and giving them a better deal.
No wonder Russia thought it was a walk in the park.
...amazing what cheaper simple Javelins can do to a very expensive Military 'march'.

An interesting admission from the Russians: Warnout artillery barrels affecting accuracy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1Xvd6iS6sI

'National Security Council spokesman John Kirby said that as many as 1,000 containers with “equipment and munitions” had been provided “in recent weeks.” The White House released overhead imagery showing what it said were approximately 300 containers assembled in Najin, North Korea, and delivered by sea and rail to an ammunition depot in southwestern Russia near Tikhoretsk, about 180 miles from the Ukrainian border.'

Russian TV wins the Eurovision spin gymnastics for its coverage of the non-war operation which is going according to Putin's plan. He won last year and is giving slow learners the time to catch up. The nazi surrender is in his desk drawer.

Journalists who last winter invented the "Ukrainian Counter Offensive," were a little bit disappointed when nothing huge happened in Spring. Its a war, and both sides are taking the offensive when the situation arises.

The attack on Berdyansk airbase is significant, because it was out of range up until now. Wombatwoody's Russian Steamroller will be sh1tting rivets. Take a look at the map of Russian controled Ukraine. Berdyansk is on the Azov Sea. Nowhere to run. Ukraine units are within 20 kilometers of Tokmak.

Why is this important? Because the only strategic advantage is the line between the Kharkov Reservoir and the esturies of Molocinj. These are significant natural barriers that shorten a cut off of the Crimean supply line. Ukraine wants Tokmak and then Melitopol. Long range missile artillery makes this possible, by destroying Russian air cover in that theatre.

'US officials indicated to CNN on Tuesday that Ukraine has already used the ATACMS, some variants of which have a maximum range of approximately 186 miles, to attack Russia's Berdyansk and Luhansk airfields in eastern Ukraine'.
Almost 300km, (the range of the Kerch Bridge, if it's the upgraded type). 

sorry to say issue, but the lefty intellectuals have moved on

they dont have much staying power and they are getting bored with the ukraine

they started off frothing about trump, then they moved onto me-too.
then they had to make their profile pic george floyd.
i think next came profile pics of arms getting jabbed
they moved onto greta
next up was jan 6
then it was probably rainbow flags in the bio
then ukranian flags in the bio
then vote yes to the voice in the bio
now its palestinian flags in the bio

they like all this "busy" work, jumping from one cause to another

it makes the leftie feel like he is achieving something


some got a bit hung up on trumps civil case with e jean carroll and some got a bit hung up on masks but they are outliers

wonder whats next ?

Next is aqua and superiority. Aqua and Trump. Trump and superior. Aqua and Trump and superior. Or the other way round.

chimera wrote on Oct 18^th, 2023 at 1:40pm:

Next is aqua and superiority. Aqua and Trump. Trump and superior. Aqua and Trump and superior. Or the other way round.

Well it sure beats the Victimhood losers.

chimera wrote on Oct 18^th, 2023 at 11:28am:

'US officials indicated to CNN on Tuesday that Ukraine has already used the ATACMS, some variants of which have a maximum range of approximately 186 miles, to attack Russia's Berdyansk and Luhansk airfields in eastern Ukraine'. Almost 300km, (the range of the Kerch Bridge, if it's the upgraded type).

The Russians lost 9 helicopters, air defence system and a heap of ammo.

Russia are now moving aircraft further away from Ukraine.

Nice to see old missile stock made in 1996 still works.

Jasin wrote on Oct 18^th, 2023 at 10:33pm:

Aqua and Trump. Well it sure beats the Victimhood losers.

How? Trump is the victim of Hilary's swamp, media, judges, voting machines, witch hunters, China, Pence, Stormy, lawyers and juries.  A bit like Putin being attacked by Nazi Ukraine.

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 18^th, 2023 at 10:46pm:

chimera wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 11:28am: 'US officials indicated to CNN on Tuesday that Ukraine has already used the ATACMS, some variants of which have a maximum range of approximately 186 miles, to attack Russia's Berdyansk and Luhansk airfields in eastern Ukraine'. Almost 300km, (the range of the Kerch Bridge, if it's the upgraded type).  The Russians lost 9 helicopters, air defence system and a heap of ammo. Russia are now moving aircraft further away from Ukraine. Nice to see old missile stock made in 1996 still works.

It's like a Tsunami - the water starts to retreat to way offshore... before it comes.
So to will Russia prepare - before sending in the 'nuke'!  ;)

chimera wrote on Oct 19^th, 2023 at 4:42am:

Jasin wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 10:33pm: Aqua and Trump. Well it sure beats the Victimhood losers. How? Trump is the victim of Hilary's swamp, media, judges, voting machines, witch hunters, China, Pence, Stormy, lawyers and juries.  A bit like Putin being attacked by Nazi Ukraine.

Trump is now the 'new' Victim thanks to Episode 5: The Biden Empire Strikes Back.
I wonder if the victimised Lefties of the Democrats will be peeved that Trump will now usurp their Victimhood and become Episode 6: Return of the Trump Jedi?

Again your logic is reversed. Do you drive a car and where?

chimera wrote on Oct 19^th, 2023 at 4:42am:

Jasin wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 10:33pm: Aqua and Trump. Well it sure beats the Victimhood losers. How? Trump is the victim of Hilary's swamp, media, judges, voting machines, witch hunters, China, Pence, Stormy, lawyers and juries.  A bit like Putin being attacked by Nazi Ukraine.

i think trump uses the victim narrative to pander to his cult because a lot of them are in low vibration victim hood (feeling all angry and sad and hopeless)

this is called "meeting people where they are at"

trump himself, i think , understands that you have to be high energy, out there, loud and proud, positive , optomistic, a showman, and an entertainer if you want people to accept you as a leader.

so you can get down in the dirt with people who are in low vibration and hopefully show them a better way

turn a beta male into an alpha male

turn a whimp into an executor.

raise peoples vibration.

anger is a higher vibrational state then apathy

so a lot of welders from arkansas who used to just zone out on oxy, suddenly becoming angry because trump  motivated them to join maga is still a step up the ladder to success.

there is no lower state then apathy.

anger is better

aquascoot wrote on Oct 19^th, 2023 at 1:14pm:

anger is better

Well, never seen Trumpy throw eggs at judges and stuff.

Hitler controlled military planning without being trained and made mistakes.

'President Vladimir Putin is involved in Russia’s push to capture eastern Ukraine on a tactical level. The Russian president’s micromanagement of the war, down to determining the movement of forces, is believed to be contributing to the military’s failure to capture cities in the Donbas, according to the Guardian newspaper. “If Putin is doing the job of a brigade commander… he could be delving into a force that could be as small as 700 to 1,000 soldiers,” The Times quoted. Russia has lost five times more military equipment than Ukraine in its week-long assault on Avdiivka. The British defence ministry's daily intelligence assessment said Russia’s push for Avdiivka — “the most significant offensive operation” since January — was marred by heavy equipment and personnel losses'.

One Ukrainian with a hand-grenade makes 5 Russians to abandon their weapons and run away. Smart move, but Russia is not going to win any war with troops like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCketEq6-B0

Not with conscripted slaves who are unwilling to be there in the first place. Nothing to gain for them and everything to die for.

'Ukraine fears a drone shortage due to China’s move to place restrictions on exports, the BBC reports. The war in Ukraine is the first armed conflict to see such extensive use of drones, which are used by both sides. Many of them are commercially made in China and bought off the shelf, and new supplies are vital because of the large numbers lost in the fighting.'

A drone spokes-cyberman, using AI, told Reuters that the drones are depressed, shell-shocked and have low morale. Most have close relatives on the enemy side, with some being suicide drones.

Another Russian tank getting blown up.

Watch for the secondary explosion when turret comes down.

Some serious design flaws with Russian tanks.


Quote:

Abandoned Russian T-64BV suffers a sudden Ukrainian ATGM-induced event, effectively disintegrating with a fairly large turret toss outside of Marinka, Donetsk Oblast. https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1717108905333923948

More and more and MORE dead RuZZians.


What a great day.

I really hate you.  ::)

looks like avdiivka is actually likely to be jeopardised fairly soon

JC Denton wrote on Oct 27^th, 2023 at 9:37am:

looks like avdiivka is actually likely to be jeopardised fairly soon

I see. Which country is Avdiivka in, JC?

aquascoot wrote on Oct 19^th, 2023 at 1:14pm:

chimera wrote on Oct 19th, 2023 at 4:42am: Jasin wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 10:33pm: Aqua and Trump. Well it sure beats the Victimhood losers. How? Trump is the victim of Hilary's swamp, media, judges, voting machines, witch hunters, China, Pence, Stormy, lawyers and juries.  A bit like Putin being attacked by Nazi Ukraine. i think trump uses the victim narrative to pander to his cult because a lot of them are in low vibration victim hood (feeling all angry and sad and hopeless) this is called "meeting people where they are at"

I see. Well, that's not very positive, now is it?

There's America, wanting to be made all great again, and there's a Victim-In-Chief trying to "meet people where they are at".

Despicable stuff.

What kind of person belongs to such a cult, Aquascoot?

What kind of fellow cleaves to a toxic, butt-hurt Victim through thick and thin, defending everything from their failed minor bookeeping errors to their disastrous Capitol tour ventures?

I'm curious.

aqua you're better off with Johnny Cash than Donny Cash.
https://folsomcasharttrail.com/the-trail/blog/did-johnny-cash-go-to-prison

Karnal wrote on Oct 27^th, 2023 at 9:59am:

JC Denton wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 9:37am: looks like avdiivka is actually likely to be jeopardised fairly soon I see. Which country is Avdiivka in, JC?

either russia or ukraine depending on who wins

JC Denton wrote on Oct 27^th, 2023 at 11:41am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 9:59am: JC Denton wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 9:37am: looks like avdiivka is actually likely to be jeopardised fairly soon I see. Which country is Avdiivka in, JC? either russia or ukraine depending on who wins

I see. So that means Dubbo is either in Australia or, say, China, depending on who wins.

No worries, JC. We'll put staff at the Golden Dragon in charge for now, shall we?

In other news:


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Ukraine war: Russia executing own retreating soldiers, US says Russia is executing soldiers who try to retreat from a bloody offensive in eastern Ukraine, the White House has said. According to the US, some of the casualties suffered by Russia near Avdiivka were "on the orders of their own leaders". Russian and Ukrainian troops have been locked into a fierce battle for the frontline town since mid-October. Russia is thought to have suffered "significant" losses in this time. Ukrainian estimates put the number of Russian casualties in Avdiivka at 5,000, while the US says that Russia lost "at least" 125 armoured vehicles and more than a battalion's worth of equipment. A Ukrainian army spokesperson said that Russian troops were refusing to attack Ukrainian positions near Avdiivka because of heavy losses and that there had been mutinies in some units. "Russia's mobilised forces remain under-trained, under-equipped and unprepared for combat, as was the case during their failed winter offensive last year," National Security Council spokesman John Kirby said in a briefing on Thursday. He said that the Russian military "appears to be using what we would call 'human wave' tactics, just throwing masses of these poorly trained soldiers right into the fight." "No proper equipment, no leadership, no resourcing, no support. It is unsurprising that Russian forces are suffering from poor morale," Mr Kirby added. Taking Avdiivka - which lies near the Russian-occupied city of Donetsk - would allow Russian troops to push the front line back, making it harder for the Ukrainian forces to make further advances into Donetsk region. Avdiivka has been all but abandoned by its 30,000 residents as Russian forces continue to pummel it. Earlier this week, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky described the situation as "particularly tough".

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67234144

Which country do you think the Avdiivkans want to be in, Jao See?

chimera wrote on Oct 27^th, 2023 at 10:46am:

aqua you're better off with Johnny Cash than Donny Cash. https://folsomcasharttrail.com/the-trail/blog/did-johnny-cash-go-to-prison

Johnny's a creepy lefty, Laugh. He's a real virtue signaller.

Despicable stuff.

Donny's the real deal. His favourite book?

The Bible.

Johnny likes the Bible too, but he doesnt mind telling you which testament he prefers.

Donny would rather not say. Too personal, no?

https://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/27/politics/donald-trump-favorite-bible-verses/index.html

He likes them both equal. Maybe 42/58, something like that. He'd just rather not go into specifics, it wouldn't be right.

Still, there are some things he can share. Donnie doesn't ask the Lord for forgiveness, for example - he doesn't bring God into that. But he does participate in other cleansing rituals, as often as possible:


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“When I drink my little wine – which is about the only wine I drink – and have my little cracker, I guess that is a form of asking for forgiveness, and I do that as often as possible because I feel cleansed,” he said. “I think in terms of ‘let’s go on and let’s make it right.’"

https://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/trump-has-never-sought-forgiveness/

The cell is the most important place in the life of a monastic after initiation. In some monasteries the monks consider their cells as holy as a church, and, as they do before entering a church, the monks take off their shoes before they go inside. In the words of one of the fathers: “Go and sit in your cell; the cell will teach you everything.” While the monastic stays in the cell (praying, keeping vigil, and doing works of repentance) he or she learns the essence of the monastic life and lives it. 

In the highest degree of initiation, the male or female hermit lives in a solitary place, in or outside the monastery. The place is hard to reach and most of the time only a few people know where to find it.And inside the monastery, there is the further division of public space and private space. Until initiation, the novice lives in the public space which he has to share with visitors, workers, and guests. The monks' cells are situated in private space and represent the quintessence of an ascetic life of seclusion. The interior of the cell is designed in such a way that the monk can stay alone for many days, never needing to leave. A monk can, provided his spiritual father approves, stay in this cell and perform his prayers and daily devotions by himself. This means that his solitary and private devotional life has priority over communal devotions.

chimera wrote on Oct 27^th, 2023 at 3:21pm:

The cell is the most important place in the life of a monastic after initiation. In some monasteries the monks consider their cells as holy as a church, and, as they do before entering a church, the monks take off their shoes before they go inside. In the words of one of the fathers: “Go and sit in your cell; the cell will teach you everything.” While the monastic stays in the cell (praying, keeping vigil, and doing works of repentance) he or she learns the essence of the monastic life and lives it.  In the highest degree of initiation, the male or female hermit lives in a solitary place, in or outside the monastery. The place is hard to reach and most of the time only a few people know where to find it.And inside the monastery, there is the further division of public space and private space. Until initiation, the novice lives in the public space which he has to share with visitors, workers, and guests. The monks' cells are situated in private space and represent the quintessence of an ascetic life of seclusion. The interior of the cell is designed in such a way that the monk can stay alone for many days, never needing to leave. A monk can, provided his spiritual father approves, stay in this cell and perform his prayers and daily devotions by himself. This means that his solitary and private devotional life has priority over communal devotions.

There's a lot to be said in that, Laugh.

Donnie may find himself in such silent seclusion. The SM often does. Who knows?

After his time in reflection, he may have a spiritual experience to share with the chodes and help them vibe with awesomeness.

He may emerge as Nelson Mandela or as guitar player.

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the White House has said.

lmao

JC Denton wrote on Oct 27^th, 2023 at 4:58pm:

Quote: the White House has said. lmao

You sound sceptical, JC. Well, I'm curious.

Do you suspect those Russian conscripts are actually quite keen to kill Avdiivkans?

Do you think their parents might be proud to have their sons die in Ukraine/Russia (depending on who wins)?

Do you think Vlad fully equipts his streamlined, modern military, considering he's hitting up North Korea for ammunition and supplies?

And do you think killing retreating soldiers is a fanciful notion in Russia?

Questions questions. Do you have any answers?

chimera wrote on Oct 27^th, 2023 at 3:57pm:

He may emerge as Nelson Mandela or as guitar player.

I'd say he fancies himself more in the Nelson Mandela mold than that lefty Johnny Cash, Laugh.

I don't mind being Nelson Mandela because I'm doing it for a reason. We've got to save our country from these fascists, these lunatics that we're dealing with. They're horrible people and they're destroying our country

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 30^th, 2023 at 5:08pm:

The only way this can end is with Ukraine surrendering Crimea and the southern/southeastern oblasts to Russia, similar to the deal Finland had to take with Stalin. The only question is: how to take the deal and not have it look like a Ukrainian capitulation? The only answer: after a long stalemate and when both sides lose the will and the resources to continue. I'd bet the West will end the supply of military materiel to Ukraine when Russia has exhausted all options other than nuclear - forcing a ceasefire and stalemate. Ukraine may get to keep any territory it can recapture and hold in its current counter-offensive. After that, it's farewell to southern Ukraine.

Well, so much for the Ukrainian counter-offensive.

Ukraine has not succeeded in recapturing the southeast and Crimea.

This will end with Ukraine ceding the southeast and Crimea to Russia.

...then along comes China to reclaim Siberia for the Yellow Man.

Russia might find it hard to fight on two fronts  ;)

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 18^th, 2023 at 1:59pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 30th, 2023 at 5:08pm: The only way this can end is with Ukraine surrendering Crimea and the southern/southeastern oblasts to Russia, similar to the deal Finland had to take with Stalin. The only question is: how to take the deal and not have it look like a Ukrainian capitulation? The only answer: after a long stalemate and when both sides lose the will and the resources to continue. I'd bet the West will end the supply of military materiel to Ukraine when Russia has exhausted all options other than nuclear - forcing a ceasefire and stalemate. Ukraine may get to keep any territory it can recapture and hold in its current counter-offensive. After that, it's farewell to southern Ukraine. Well, so much for the Ukrainian counter-offensive. Ukraine has not succeeded in recapturing the southeast and Crimea. This will end with Ukraine ceding the southeast and Crimea to Russia.

wow toldya this was how it was going to go months before, but no one was listening

Well then. If Ukraine gives up the Crimea and other parts of their country that allowed 'Russians' to move in, take over and then claim that land via them, as Russia's.

Then this form of Colonisation is the way to go. Send in the Peasants to 'usurp' their lands by 'populational majority'.

So Melbourne can now be claimed as Africa's.
Sydney can now be claimed as China's.