https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNHJfs2tLEE

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/vote-yes-and-make-our-lives-better-say-land-councils/ar-AA1cR0yz?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=399daa9682d5490f9d77ea08bde921d3&ei=4

Vote NO and make all of our lives better .................................

Anyone who has taken note of the "yes" campaigners would see that their campaign is based on emotive arguments. There is a lot of bitterness among them. Hopefully, the referendum will pop their fragile egos. But, I can imagine that they would throw a tantrum and bitch for a while afterwards, when the "yes" campaigners lose the referendum.

I'll be voting NO, but I am not impressed with any NO campaign strategy.

Boris wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2023 at 9:43am:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNHJfs2tLEE

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif

More Lovecraftian Sky News bullshit from the chief bullshitter...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

issuevoter wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2023 at 12:51pm:

I'll be voting NO, but I am not impressed with any NO campaign strategy.

That's impressive....... the strategy is working just fine - let the YES lot go for it and every day they tangle their own feet up .....

Advisory only!!   But we demand power and the right to punish politicians who refuse our 'advice'!

The more the "yes" campaigners hurl abuse at non-indigenous people, the stronger the "no" campaign becomes.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2023 at 3:51pm:

The more the "yes" campaigners hurl abuse at non-indigenous people, the stronger the "no" campaign becomes.

Yes - call me racist, genocider... call me for dinner.... call me a cab.... but you won't get my vote.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHash5takWU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF2Dv778ZYs

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif

More Lovecraftian Sky News bullshit from the chief bullshitter...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2023 at 2:08pm:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif More Lovecraftian Sky News bullshit from the chief bullshitter...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Loser

Boris wrote on Jun 25^th, 2023 at 9:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25th, 2023 at 2:08pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif More Lovecraftian Sky News bullshit from the chief bullshitter...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Loser

Such a Narcissist statement, Matty.  You seek to devalue me?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

You are not actually adding anything of value to the debate, Brian. How about a counterpoint from time to time?

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 25^th, 2023 at 10:05pm:

You are not actually adding anything of value to the debate, Brian. How about a counterpoint from time to time?

What would be the point of that, Unsub?  Matty has already decided to vote no, you have decided to vote no.  All those that want to vote yes will vote yes, without any need for me to convince them.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Whoah! Hang on there. I did not say that I would be voting "no" in the referendum. I have been saying that I know that the "no" vote will win. And I know that the "no" vote will win because of these reasons....

Just kidding. I will be voting "no". Unless I read through the proposal and find that voting "yes" will save a lot of Australian taxpayer money in funding cuts to indigenous people.

You, Brian, have not made any statements to say what the "yes" vote will bring about in changes for the indigenous people.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 25^th, 2023 at 10:11pm:

Whoah! Hang on there. I did not say that I would be voting "no" in the referendum. I have been saying that I know that the "no" vote will win. And I know that the "no" vote will win because of these reasons.... Just kidding. I will be voting "no". Unless I read through the proposal and find that voting "yes" will save a lot of Australian taxpayer money in funding cuts to indigenous people. You, Brian, have not made any statements to say what the "yes" vote will bring about in changes for the indigenous people.

They might get a fairer deal out of society, Unsub.  No guarantee but they might get a fairer deal.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2023 at 10:17pm:

They might get a fairer deal out of society, Unsub.  No guarantee but they might get a fairer deal.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Well, if the Voice to Parliament means that indigenous people will lose special privileges, then I can support that. Bring all services and payments that indigenous people get in line with the rest of the Australian community.

Btw, every time you go "tsk, tsk, tsk", it reminds me of the ending of New Order's "Blue Monday" intro.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2023 at 10:17pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 25th, 2023 at 10:11pm: Whoah! Hang on there. I did not say that I would be voting "no" in the referendum. I have been saying that I know that the "no" vote will win. And I know that the "no" vote will win because of these reasons.... Just kidding. I will be voting "no". Unless I read through the proposal and find that voting "yes" will save a lot of Australian taxpayer money in funding cuts to indigenous people. You, Brian, have not made any statements to say what the "yes" vote will bring about in changes for the indigenous people. They might get a fairer deal out of society, Unsub.  No guarantee but they might get a fairer deal.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

;D A fairer deal? ... what a bland nothing statement.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2023 at 10:08pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 25th, 2023 at 10:05pm: You are not actually adding anything of value to the debate, Brian. How about a counterpoint from time to time? What would be the point of that, Unsub?  Matty has already decided to vote no, you have decided to vote no.  All those that want to vote yes will vote yes, without any need for me to convince them.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

So why are you here, then, yapping?

Thank you, Gnads. You spotted Brian's error that I did not see.

Brian, that was non-committal in your answer. You should have stated what the "yes" campaigners definitely want to achieve as an outcome. Not what they "might get" from the referendum being passed.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 11:16am:

Thank you, Gnads. You spotted Brian's error that I did not see. Brian, that was non-committal in your answer. You should have stated what the "yes" campaigners definitely want to achieve as an outcome. Not what they "might get" from the referendum being passed.

You asked, "You, Brian, have not made any statements to say what the "yes" vote will bring about in changes for the indigenous people. " Which was a personal opinion.  I am not a legal expert nor an expert on "Racial" matters, I am an ordinary citizen, Unsub, just as you are.  I have my opinion, just as you and Gnads do.  I am pro-Indigenous people who have IMO a rough deal over the decades since settlement.  You and Gnads and others may deny that but would you be willing to put on their shoes and live their lives in blackface?  I suspect not.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 11:15am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25th, 2023 at 10:08pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 25th, 2023 at 10:05pm: You are not actually adding anything of value to the debate, Brian. How about a counterpoint from time to time? What would be the point of that, Unsub?  Matty has already decided to vote no, you have decided to vote no.  All those that want to vote yes will vote yes, without any need for me to convince them.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) So why are you here, then, yapping?

Frank

Long term unemployment and chronic entrenched boredom are Bwian’s usual excuses.

i might vote yes as a form of accelerationism

things have to get worse before they can get better

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 3:00pm:

You and Gnads and others may deny that but would you be willing to put on their shoes and live their lives in blackface?  I suspect not.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

One guy I knew had ticked the indigenous box on a form at the hospital. He was seen by a medical professional 5 minutes later. He basically skipped the queue that would have taken him at least a 30-minute wait.

People have ticked the box for indigenous status for job network organisations. They get prioritised employment opportunities. My job network member asked me if I identified as Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander. I said "no". Then I asked, "how many people that look like me identify as Aboriginal?". His response was "quite a few". Obviously, there are people ticking the box to claim aboriginal status. I have known about this problem, since that Sri Lankan guy claimed that he was aboriginal, back in the early 1990s.

I don't have to blackface myself at all. I just have to claim aboriginal status. And although I will get criticism for racial appropriation, I will also get a boost to my socioeconomic living conditions.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 3:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26th, 2023 at 3:00pm: You and Gnads and others may deny that but would you be willing to put on their shoes and live their lives in blackface?  I suspect not.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) One guy I knew had ticked the indigenous box on a form at the hospital. He was seen by a medical professional 5 minutes later. He basically skipped the queue that would have taken him at least a 30-minute wait. People have ticked the box for indigenous status for job network organisations. They get prioritised employment opportunities. My job network member asked me if I identified as Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander. I said "no". Then I asked, "how many people that look like me identify as Aboriginal?". His response was "quite a few". Obviously, there are people ticking the box to claim aboriginal status. I have known about this problem, since that Sri Lankan guy claimed that he was aboriginal, back in the early 1990s. I don't have to blackface myself at all. I just have to claim aboriginal status. And although I will get criticism for racial appropriation, I will also get a boost to my socioeconomic living conditions.

Or so you believe, Unsub.  If you are convinced, go for it.  Of course you'll have to sell your soul while you're at it, now won't you? Just think of the intrusion of the authorities into your private life.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

JC Denton wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 3:22pm:

i might vote yes as a form of accelerationism things have to get worse before they can get better

The referendum vote will be anywhere from September to December this year. The fierce debate will rage over the next few months. But, ultimately, this will incite people to question whether or not indigenous people are getting treated too favourably in modern Australian life. Then, the proposal will be made that we get rid of racially biased programs and keep the indigenous social and welfare programs on par with the rest of the Australians' social and welfare programs.

I can't wait for the referendum to be done. Reckon we might start saving $30 billion a year, from here onwards. The Aborigines can threaten to riot all they like -- and I hope they don't -- to try and bring special treatment of their affirmative action programs. But, I would say that it is time to give equal treatment to all Australians.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 3:42pm:

Or so you believe, Unsub.  If you are convinced, go for it.  Of course you'll have to sell your soul while you're at it, now won't you? Just think of the intrusion of the authorities into your private life.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

I was challenged to wear an indigenous t-shirt for a while and see how far I could get through the day. I went out shopping with the t-shirt prominently displayed. I got a few dirty looks from some people. Then I walked by a couple of indigenous people who spotted the t-shirt on a white guy. Word got around. And I was followed by a few indigenous people. One guy said that I was "brave" in a sardonic tone. But, he seemed okay with me. Never wore that shirt again and gave it back to the person who loaned me the shirt.

Dad would give me hell if I started identifying as indigenous. I have an indigenous daughter, who did identify as indigenous. But, she is nearly as white as me. Does she count as indigenous, when she has blonde hair?

Authorities won't hassle me. In fact, they might technically be required to give me a free pass.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 3:43pm:

JC Denton wrote on Jun 26th, 2023 at 3:22pm: i might vote yes as a form of accelerationism things have to get worse before they can get better The referendum vote will be anywhere from September to December this year. The fierce debate will rage over the next few months. But, ultimately, this will incite people to question whether or not indigenous people are getting treated too favourably in modern Australian life. Then, the proposal will be made that we get rid of racially biased programs and keep the indigenous social and welfare programs on par with the rest of the Australians' social and welfare programs. I can't wait for the referendum to be done. Reckon we might start saving $30 billion a year, from here onwards. The Aborigines can threaten to riot all they like -- and I hope they don't -- to try and bring special treatment of their affirmative action programs. But, I would say that it is time to give equal treatment to all Australians.

it will not do any such thing

it will just focus on why the voice will be bad, if no succeeds then things will just continue as they always have

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 3:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26th, 2023 at 3:42pm: Or so you believe, Unsub.  If you are convinced, go for it.  Of course you'll have to sell your soul while you're at it, now won't you? Just think of the intrusion of the authorities into your private life.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) I was challenged to wear an indigenous t-shirt for a while and see how far I could get through the day. I went out shopping with the t-shirt prominently displayed. I got a few dirty looks from some people. Then I walked by a couple of indigenous people who spotted the t-shirt on a white guy. Word got around. And I was followed by a few indigenous people. One guy said that I was "brave" in a sardonic tone. But, he seemed okay with me. Never wore that shirt again and gave it back to the person who loaned me the shirt.

Oh, so brave of you, Unsub.  So brave and in Queensland too.  How about you do for an extended period and of course, you'd have to dye your skin as well, just to get you into the mood and have the desired reaction from you're fellow White Fellas, hey?

Then get back to us, OK?


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Dad would give me hell if I started identifying as indigenous. I have an indigenous daughter, who did identify as indigenous. But, she is nearly as white as me. Does she count as indigenous, when she has blonde hair?

Does it matter?  Really?  It is what her ancestry is telling her that is important and of could how her compatriots are treating her.  Perhaps she has bad experiences to relate to you?  I know I would like to be treated the way you treat Black Fellas, now would I?


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Authorities won't hassle me. In fact, they might technically be required to give me a free pass.

You really do live in a fantasy world, don't you, Unsub?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Not all No votes are racist, but all racists will vote No.

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 5:02pm:

Not all No votes are racist, but all racists will vote No.

You have it back to front, SadSack, as usual.
Not all Yes voters are racists but all Yes voters are racists: they want a racially segregated Australia constitutionally cemented. (The ones that think. Many don't, only emote).

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 4:18pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 26th, 2023 at 3:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26th, 2023 at 3:42pm: Or so you believe, Unsub.  If you are convinced, go for it.  Of course you'll have to sell your soul while you're at it, now won't you? Just think of the intrusion of the authorities into your private life.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) I was challenged to wear an indigenous t-shirt for a while and see how far I could get through the day. I went out shopping with the t-shirt prominently displayed. I got a few dirty looks from some people. Then I walked by a couple of indigenous people who spotted the t-shirt on a white guy. Word got around. And I was followed by a few indigenous people. One guy said that I was "brave" in a sardonic tone. But, he seemed okay with me. Never wore that shirt again and gave it back to the person who loaned me the shirt. Oh, so brave of you, Unsub.  So brave and in Queensland too.  How about you do for an extended period and of course, you'd have to dye your skin as well, just to get you into the mood and have the desired reaction from you're fellow White Fellas, hey?

Like the Pascoe Abos? Tsk, tsk   ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 7:37pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 26th, 2023 at 5:02pm: Not all No votes are racist, but all racists will vote No. You have it back to front, SadSack, as usual. Not all Yes voters are racists but all Yes voters are racists: they want a racially segregated Australia constitutionally cemented. (The ones that think. Many don't, only emote).

Get that refund,  ya dumbass

John Smith wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 7:41pm:

Get that refund,  ya dumbass

👆 Five Foot Five Frodo reminding himself to return his brain for a refund 😂🤣😆

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 5:02pm:

Not all No votes are racist, but all racists will vote No.

Not all the Yes votes are racist - some are just too stupid to know the difference - but the racists will all vote Yes.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 3:43pm:

JC Denton wrote on Jun 26th, 2023 at 3:22pm: i might vote yes as a form of accelerationism things have to get worse before they can get better The referendum vote will be anywhere from September to December this year. The fierce debate will rage over the next few months. But, ultimately, this will incite people to question whether or not indigenous people are getting treated too favourably in modern Australian life. Then, the proposal will be made that we get rid of racially biased programs and keep the indigenous social and welfare programs on par with the rest of the Australians' social and welfare programs. I can't wait for the referendum to be done. Reckon we might start saving $30 billion a year, from here onwards. The Aborigines can threaten to riot all they like -- and I hope they don't -- to try and bring special treatment of their affirmative action programs. But, I would say that it is time to give equal treatment to all Australians.

I'm with you there.  If they riot they will be the cause of their own demise as a social group.

i live in a regional nsw town thats 15% abo

can confirm, abos are feral

here is a lost of the things they have done to me (just me alone) in the past couple of years

- stole my bike

- stole my car and dumped it on the side of the road, inoperable

- slashed all four of my car tires

- had 3 abo kids shadow me as i was walking past kfc only a few days ago (no one else around) and started challenging me to a fight, one of them spit on me repeatedly as i tried to walk away

- mugged me with a knife by walking up on me from behind and pointlessly took my car keys when i had nothing else to take

-ambushed me in a car park and asked for my wallet, pelted me with stones when i refused

abo crime is 100% out of control, and the cops do absolutely f*k all

people like to complain about how much crime america allegedly has, but i always put the counterfactual to these people; imagine what australia would be like if abos were 11% of the population rather than 3%, i swear you wouldn even be able to go outside

a big problem with the discussion is only a relatively limited number of people have been exposed to abos to any meaningful degree, since they're overwhelmingly a regional/rural population, and most australians live in a metropolitan bubble

all the yes (and a lot of the no tbh, who frame their opposition to the voice around insipid talking points about how 'racism' is wrong) voters have never been meaningfully exposed to these overwhemingly savage and dysfunctional people. i wouldn't vote no because the voice is racist, i would vote no because I AM RACIST, abos are by and large garbage and i want them to leave me the f*k alone with a few exceptions.

fortunately i don't care that much about the voice eitherway, it's a trivial thing and a vapid wedge by albo to distract partially from the  massive cost of living pressures being introduced by the resumption of australia's crush-load mass migration program, an issue that by and large most of the people on this site don't seem to care about (which is clearly an indication the average user here is an fossilized old asshole overwhelmingly insulated from these problems). i probably won't even turn up to vote for it, assuming i'm even in the country anymore at that point.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 9:15pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 26th, 2023 at 3:43pm: JC Denton wrote on Jun 26th, 2023 at 3:22pm: i might vote yes as a form of accelerationism things have to get worse before they can get better The referendum vote will be anywhere from September to December this year. The fierce debate will rage over the next few months. But, ultimately, this will incite people to question whether or not indigenous people are getting treated too favourably in modern Australian life. Then, the proposal will be made that we get rid of racially biased programs and keep the indigenous social and welfare programs on par with the rest of the Australians' social and welfare programs. I can't wait for the referendum to be done. Reckon we might start saving $30 billion a year, from here onwards. The Aborigines can threaten to riot all they like -- and I hope they don't -- to try and bring special treatment of their affirmative action programs. But, I would say that it is time to give equal treatment to all Australians. I'm with you there.  If they riot they will be the cause of their own demise as a social group.

it won't. they riot all the time and nothing happens to them. if there'll ever be a demise of abos it will come as a result of their own trend to breed themselves out of existence over time. it's funny how so many of them talk about being proud & black while simultaneously churning out watered down coffee-au-lait and lighter off-spring, doesn't sound like they have that much pride in who they are to me.

ali put it brilliantly here, can't call yourself proud if you're not even willing to carry who you are into the next generation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqiWFLsgVi4

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 4:18pm:

Oh, so brave of you, Unsub.  So brave and in Queensland too.  How about you do for an extended period and of course, you'd have to dye your skin as well, just to get you into the mood and have the desired reaction from you're fellow White Fellas, hey? Then get back to us, OK? Does it matter?  Really?  It is what her ancestry is telling her that is important and of could how her compatriots are treating her.  Perhaps she has bad experiences to relate to you?  I know I would like to be treated the way you treat Black Fellas, now would I? You really do live in a fantasy world, don't you, Unsub?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...

No. I do not live in a fantasy world. I live in Rockhampton. 5 to 7% of our residents here are indigenous Australian (or Torres Strait Islander). Their backgrounds range from as white as I, to "I can't see you at night, unless you smile". Some in my immediate neighbourhood are biracial Asian and aboriginal. I did have a Middle Eastern/aboriginal guy living across the road at one stage. I am well aware of the trouble a few of the indigenous locals cause.

I actually have a liking for indigenous artwork and design. The indigenous designs printed on t-shirts have quite a good effect. But, I would not wear them, as I would be criticised by actual indigenous people who think I would be racially appropriating.

That did not stop my daughter from wearing indigenous designs on her t-shirts when she did her sporting events. She would support her half-brother (who looked somewhat indigneous) at his sporting events (touch football). But, as for what my daughter does these days, I have lost track. Indigenous issues are probably not at the forefront of her mindset.

I don't have to dye my skin any colour to be considered indigenous, Brian. That was racist of you to say that. I just have to tick the box on forms to state that I identify as indigenous. How about instead of me learning to live to be indigenous, indigenous people learn to live as part of integrated Australians?

JC Denton wrote on Jun 27^th, 2023 at 4:09am:

i live in a regional nsw town thats 15% abo can confirm, abos are feral here is a lost of the things they have done to me (just me alone) in the past couple of years - stole my bike - stole my car and dumped it on the side of the road, inoperable - slashed all four of my car tires - had 3 abo kids shadow me as i was walking past kfc only a few days ago (no one else around) and started challenging me to a fight, one of them spit on me repeatedly as i tried to walk away - mugged me with a knife by walking up on me from behind and pointlessly took my car keys when i had nothing else to take -ambushed me in a car park and asked for my wallet, pelted me with stones when i refused abo crime is 100% out of control, and the cops do absolutely f*k all people like to complain about how much crime america allegedly has, but i always put the counterfactual to these people; imagine what australia would be like if abos were 11% of the population rather than 3%, i swear you wouldn even be able to go outside a big problem with the discussion is only a relatively limited number of people have been exposed to abos to any meaningful degree, since they're overwhelmingly a regional/rural population, and most australians live in a metropolitan bubble all the yes (and a lot of the no tbh, who frame their opposition to the voice around insipid talking points about how 'racism' is wrong) voters have never been meaningfully exposed to these overwhemingly savage and dysfunctional people. i wouldn't vote no because the voice is racist, i would vote no because I AM RACIST, abos are by and large garbage and i want them to leave me the f*k alone with a few exceptions. fortunately i don't care that much about the voice eitherway, it's a trivial thing and a vapid wedge by albo to distract partially from the  massive cost of living pressures being introduced by the resumption of australia's crush-load mass migration program, an issue that by and large most of the people on this site don't seem to care about (which is clearly an indication the average user here is an fossilized old asshole overwhelmingly insulated from these problems). i probably won't even turn up to vote for it, assuming i'm even in the country anymore at that point.

This is why the No vote is highest in the states with the highest Abo populations.

People that live in places like Perth would not have much experience with indigenous people. That is why the likes of Brian Ross would support stupid proposals like the Voice to Parliament. He does not seem to understand the implicit nature of voting in the Voice to Parliament would lead to further demands.

How often do non-indigenous Australians get treated like outsiders to their own country? Every sporting event and media outlet seem to be made to acknowledge Australia as belonging to 3% of its population.

Overall support for the Voice has plunged three points to just 43 per cent, according to the latest Newspoll of 2303 voters conducted between June 16 and June 24.

Subsequently the No vote rose four points, to 47 per cent, putting it ahead for the time since Newspoll began tracking support.

Equally alarming for the Yes case is that four of six states are now polling as favouring a No vote.

Queensland, Western Australia, South Australia and Tasmania are all on a trajectory to reject the Voice.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 27^th, 2023 at 8:09am:

People that live in places like Perth would not have much experience with indigenous people. That is why the likes of Brian Ross would support stupid proposals like the Voice to Parliament. He does not seem to understand the implicit nature of voting in the Voice to Parliament would lead to further demands. How often do non-indigenous Australians get treated like outsiders to their own country? Every sporting event and media outlet seem to be made to acknowledge Australia as belonging to 3% of its population.

The highlighted point was stated clearly on the ABC 7.30 by one of the Anglo/Aboriginal activists. Its only the beginning. But there is also the legal precedent established for other ethnic groups. It is as though Australian citizenship and equality before the law is not good enough.
Australians have not been political animals, adopting a general apathy, probably because nothing ever happened here, and the thinly spread population. "She'll be right, mate," isn't good enough anymore, but it could get YES vote over the line.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 27^th, 2023 at 7:39am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26th, 2023 at 4:18pm: Oh, so brave of you, Unsub.  So brave and in Queensland too.  How about you do for an extended period and of course, you'd have to dye your skin as well, just to get you into the mood and have the desired reaction from you're fellow White Fellas, hey? Then get back to us, OK? Does it matter?  Really?  It is what her ancestry is telling her that is important and of could how her compatriots are treating her.  Perhaps she has bad experiences to relate to you?  I know I would like to be treated the way you treat Black Fellas, now would I? You really do live in a fantasy world, don't you, Unsub?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...    No. I do not live in a fantasy world. I live in Rockhampton. 5 to 7% of our residents here are indigenous Australian (or Torres Strait Islander). Their backgrounds range from as white as I, to "I can't see you at night, unless you smile". Some in my immediate neighbourhood are biracial Asian and aboriginal. I did have a Middle Eastern/aboriginal guy living across the road at one stage. I am well aware of the trouble a few of the indigenous locals cause. I actually have a liking for indigenous artwork and design. The indigenous designs printed on t-shirts have quite a good effect. But, I would not wear them, as I would be criticised by actual indigenous people who think I would be racially appropriating. That did not stop my daughter from wearing indigenous designs on her t-shirts when she did her sporting events. She would support her half-brother (who looked somewhat indigneous) at his sporting events (touch football). But, as for what my daughter does these days, I have lost track. Indigenous issues are probably not at the forefront of her mindset. I don't have to dye my skin any colour to be considered indigenous, Brian. That was racist of you to say that. I just have to tick the box on forms to state that I identify as indigenous. How about instead of me learning to live to be indigenous, indigenous people learn to live as part of integrated Australians?

You are missing the point, Unsub, perhaos deliberately?  The point is how your fellow Racists treat you.  As you identify people by their skin/hair colour so do your fellow Racists.  When you have experienced that, personally, you might understand an Indigenous person's viewpoint and why they resent you and your fellow Racists.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Boris wrote on Jun 27^th, 2023 at 8:22am:

Overall support for the Voice has plunged three points to just 43 per cent, according to the latest Newspoll of 2303 voters conducted between June 16 and June 24. Subsequently the No vote rose four points, to 47 per cent, putting it ahead for the time since Newspoll began tracking support. Equally alarming for the Yes case is that four of six states are now polling as favouring a No vote. Queensland, Western Australia, South Australia and Tasmania are all on a trajectory to reject the Voice.

You still don't understand statistics, do you, Matty?  Look up, "margin of error" and get back to us.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27^th, 2023 at 12:58pm:

Boris wrote on Jun 27th, 2023 at 8:22am: Overall support for the Voice has plunged three points to just 43 per cent, according to the latest Newspoll of 2303 voters conducted between June 16 and June 24. Subsequently the No vote rose four points, to 47 per cent, putting it ahead for the time since Newspoll began tracking support. Equally alarming for the Yes case is that four of six states are now polling as favouring a No vote. Queensland, Western Australia, South Australia and Tasmania are all on a trajectory to reject the Voice. You still don't understand statistics, do you, Matty?  Look up, "margin of error" and get back to us.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

four of six states are now polling as favouring a No vote.

Queensland, Western Australia, South Australia and Tasmania are all on a trajectory to reject the Voice.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 27^th, 2023 at 8:09am:

People that live in places like Perth would not have much experience with indigenous people. That is why the likes of Brian Ross would support stupid proposals like the Voice to Parliament. He does not seem to understand the implicit nature of voting in the Voice to Parliament would lead to further demands. How often do non-indigenous Australians get treated like outsiders to their own country? Every sporting event and media outlet seem to be made to acknowledge Australia as belonging to 3% of its population.

You have no idea about my personal life, Unsub.  I have not always lived in Perth, indeed I have only lived there for about 15 years.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Them: "We want to change the constitution in a major way?"

Me: "Okay, can you provide details as to how and the benefits?"

Them: "Rightwing bigiot, racist, facists, vote yes or you are a nazi"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/8528/trQvAo.jpg

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27^th, 2023 at 12:56pm:

You are missing the point, Unsub, perhaos deliberately?  The point is how your fellow Racists treat you.  As you identify people by their skin/hair colour so do your fellow Racists.  When you have experienced that, personally, you might understand an Indigenous person's viewpoint and why they resent you and your fellow Racists.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

No. I am not 'deliberately' missing the point. My fellow racists -- you being one of them -- would treat me as if I had lost my mind. If I announced on OzPol that I was indigenous Australian and had a pro-indigenous Australian outlook on things, you would probably think that I was being a liar.

But that is the point of my argument. People who tick the indigenous box on forms are doing so because they know that they can get special privileges for being part of a minority born in Australia. For myself to announce being an indigenous person, I would get criticism from everywhere by people thinking that I am doing it to get the privileges indigenous people get.

I have seen it quite a lot in my life. People who look white, but claim to be indigenous. Their claims seeming signifying that they are using their race to protect themselves from criticism.

And I don't identify people by their hair or skin colour -- at least not outside of a police line up. I identify them by their character. I would converse with a middle-age woman who had blonde hair and blue eyes. But, it was revealed that she was indigenous Australian. That was okay by me. But, then it went on that she was a racist. She friended me on facebook. But then she unfriended me and blocked me when it turned out that I did not like her aboriginal supremacist views.

Racism is not about being part of a certain race. Racism is about having a certain mindset in regards to racial issues.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27^th, 2023 at 1:01pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 27th, 2023 at 8:09am: People that live in places like Perth would not have much experience with indigenous people. That is why the likes of Brian Ross would support stupid proposals like the Voice to Parliament. He does not seem to understand the implicit nature of voting in the Voice to Parliament would lead to further demands. How often do non-indigenous Australians get treated like outsiders to their own country? Every sporting event and media outlet seem to be made to acknowledge Australia as belonging to 3% of its population. You have no idea about my personal life, Unsub.  I have not always lived in Perth, indeed I have only lived there for about 15 years.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Well, the twenty years that I have lived in this suburb has been an eye-opening experience to racism, compared to when I was living over near Lakes Creek. My point is that you don't experience the level of indigenous racism that I have to endure, simply because you live in Perth for the last 15 years.

Had you put up with indigenous racism in recent years, you would have not been posting in favour of continuing indigenous affirmative action, or excusing the behaviour of indigenous people citing history wrongs perpetrated against their ancestors.

The Voice is going down, baby... down, down, down......

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27^th, 2023 at 12:58pm:

Boris wrote on Jun 27th, 2023 at 8:22am: Overall support for the Voice has plunged three points to just 43 per cent, according to the latest Newspoll of 2303 voters conducted between June 16 and June 24. Subsequently the No vote rose four points, to 47 per cent, putting it ahead for the time since Newspoll began tracking support. Equally alarming for the Yes case is that four of six states are now polling as favouring a No vote. Queensland, Western Australia, South Australia and Tasmania are all on a trajectory to reject the Voice. You still don't understand statistics, do you, Matty?  Look up, "margin of error" and get back to us.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

You didn't mention that when the YES poll was tottering on the edge of 50% ....

premature triumphalism. the yes campaign hasnt even started to ramp up their propaganda yet.

JC Denton wrote on Jun 27^th, 2023 at 5:01pm:

premature triumphalism. the yes campaign hasnt even started to ramp up their propaganda yet.

Only fools listen to propaganda.....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 27^th, 2023 at 4:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27th, 2023 at 12:58pm: Boris wrote on Jun 27th, 2023 at 8:22am: Overall support for the Voice has plunged three points to just 43 per cent, according to the latest Newspoll of 2303 voters conducted between June 16 and June 24. Subsequently the No vote rose four points, to 47 per cent, putting it ahead for the time since Newspoll began tracking support. Equally alarming for the Yes case is that four of six states are now polling as favouring a No vote. Queensland, Western Australia, South Australia and Tasmania are all on a trajectory to reject the Voice. You still don't understand statistics, do you, Matty?  Look up, "margin of error" and get back to us.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) You didn't mention that when the YES poll was tottering on the edge of 50% ....

Why should I mention something I know and understand, unlike poor Matty and you, Graps?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Inside the Uluru statement, two major accusations are expressed in one pithy sentence: “In 1967 we were counted, in 2017 we seek to be heard.” The Aboriginal leaders who met at Uluru believed their kinsfolk were not even deemed worthy of being counted – until the referendum of 1967 raised their political status. Anthony Albanese himself, while understandably basking in his political honeymoon, affirmed this accusation, and continues to do so in parliament. If true, the accusation is a serious blemish on the Australian nation during the past century and a half. But it is not true.

...
The Uluru statement is militant. It offers no sentence of respect or gratitude to the Australian people. Yet it is hailed by Albanese as warm hearted and generous. He even announced in a memorial lecture in Adelaide recently that it was an invitation extended “to every single Australian in love and grace and patience”.

A disciple of Bruce Pascoe, Albanese admires his nonsensical Dark Emu theory. Pascoe believes Aboriginal Australia was the first real democracy in the world and for 80,000 years a haven of peace and prosperity. Albanese believes this utopia – in fact, it never existed – can in some ways be honoured if Indigenous people are compensated with special powers and rights.

Parliament in its recent debate did nothing to validate the Uluru accusation that mainstream Australians had refused for generations even to count Aboriginal people. In fact, these proud people were being counted before any one of us was born.

Geoffrey Blainey
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/before-we-vote-on-indigenous-voice-to-parliament-lets-get-all-our-facts-in-order/news-story/a878a85d7a6eed0170fb399c71875058

Arsehole Albo is also concurrently and quietly very busy trying to stifle free speech for the rest of us under legislation he is pushing through whilst diverting our attention to Voice issues.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27^th, 2023 at 10:48pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 27th, 2023 at 4:26pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27th, 2023 at 12:58pm: Boris wrote on Jun 27th, 2023 at 8:22am: Overall support for the Voice has plunged three points to just 43 per cent, according to the latest Newspoll of 2303 voters conducted between June 16 and June 24. Subsequently the No vote rose four points, to 47 per cent, putting it ahead for the time since Newspoll began tracking support. Equally alarming for the Yes case is that four of six states are now polling as favouring a No vote. Queensland, Western Australia, South Australia and Tasmania are all on a trajectory to reject the Voice. You still don't understand statistics, do you, Matty?  Look up, "margin of error" and get back to us.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) You didn't mention that when the YES poll was tottering on the edge of 50% .... Why should I mention something I know and understand, unlike poor Matty and you, Graps?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Well - clearly so you can lead the barbarians out of their darkness and into the light of Aboriginal godliness...... it's the Black Man's Burden you know...

Now then - about that margin of error when the polls were saying YES had it right?????

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 12:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27th, 2023 at 10:48pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 27th, 2023 at 4:26pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 27th, 2023 at 12:58pm: Boris wrote on Jun 27th, 2023 at 8:22am: Overall support for the Voice has plunged three points to just 43 per cent, according to the latest Newspoll of 2303 voters conducted between June 16 and June 24. Subsequently the No vote rose four points, to 47 per cent, putting it ahead for the time since Newspoll began tracking support. Equally alarming for the Yes case is that four of six states are now polling as favouring a No vote. Queensland, Western Australia, South Australia and Tasmania are all on a trajectory to reject the Voice. You still don't understand statistics, do you, Matty?  Look up, "margin of error" and get back to us.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) You didn't mention that when the YES poll was tottering on the edge of 50% .... Why should I mention something I know and understand, unlike poor Matty and you, Graps?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Well - clearly so you can lead the barbarians out of their darkness and into the light of Aboriginal godliness...... it's the Black Man's Burden you know... Now then - about that margin of error when the polls were saying YES had it right?????

Do your own research.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Margin-of-error-95.svg/1280px-Margin-of-error-95.svg.png

Yeah I'm voting no, just like saying sorry or welcome to country, the only think that can help Abos is their taking personal responsibility.

Gordon wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 3:05pm:

Yeah I'm voting no, just like saying sorry or welcome to country is Abos taking personal responsibility.

That makes no sense.

i like whenever theres a public vote on bc i can go into the school grounds legally then and collect all the cans out of their bins

i got like $30 a school during the nsw election doing this

Aussie wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 3:09pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 3:05pm: Yeah I'm voting no, just like saying sorry or welcome to country is Abos taking personal responsibility. That makes no sense.

It makes plenty of sense. If indigenous Australians dropped the "poor bugger me" entitlement act, they would have achieved at least a sound standard of living, by now. It should not take people 30 years to realise that they (indigenous people) no longer own the country.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 3:52pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 3:09pm: Gordon wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 3:05pm: Yeah I'm voting no, just like saying sorry or welcome to country is Abos taking personal responsibility. That makes no sense. It makes plenty of sense. If indigenous Australians dropped the "poor bugger me" entitlement act, they would have achieved at least a sound standard of living, by now. It should not take people 30 years to realise that they (indigenous people) no longer own the country.

And they're now subject to the same conditions of all homosapians since year dot. Different tribes move around.

Actually Abos have had it easier than any other.  To get from stone age to modernity, every other culture has had to endure thousands of years of war, plagues, upheavals. 

It's like Abos went thru a wormhole from stone age to modern in a few hundred.

They should say THANK YOU

Ah....I see....gratitude from a violently dispossessed people.  Yes, it's the least they could do, I know.

Do you feel the same way about violently dispossessed Jews?  Should we re-take the lump of dirt they now call Israel, and just let Jews make their own way like the rest of us who have never had any land gifted to us and defended for us?

Aussie wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 4:16pm:

Ah....I see....gratitude from a violently dispossessed people.  Yes, it's the least they could do, I know. Do you feel the same way about violently dispossessed Jews?  Should we re-take the lump of dirt they now call Israel, and just let Jews make their own way like the rest of us who have never had any land gifted to us and defended for us?

Completely idiotic, Bbwianesque analogy, Arsie.

Anyway....

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples’ rights and interests in land are formally recognised over around 50 per cent of Australia’s land mass.
https://www.niaa.gov.au/indigenous-affairs/land-and-housing

Aussie wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 4:16pm:

Ah....I see....gratitude from a violently dispossessed people.  Yes, it's the least they could do, I know. Do you feel the same way about violently dispossessed Jews?  Should we re-take the lump of dirt they now call Israel, and just let Jews make their own way like the rest of us who have never had any land gifted to us and defended for us?

Well, if the Muslims are focussed on targeting the Jews in Israel and not the people of Europe, I do not care.

Aussie wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 4:16pm:

Ah....I see....gratitude from a violently dispossessed people.  Yes, it's the least they could do, I know. Do you feel the same way about violently dispossessed Jews?  Should we re-take the lump of dirt they now call Israel, and just let Jews make their own way like the rest of us who have never had any land gifted to us and defended for us?

Try it, see how that works out for any contenders.

Why do you want Abos to stay perpetually in the stone age?

Gordon wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 5:03pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 4:16pm: Ah....I see....gratitude from a violently dispossessed people.  Yes, it's the least they could do, I know. Do you feel the same way about violently dispossessed Jews?  Should we re-take the lump of dirt they now call Israel, and just let Jews make their own way like the rest of us who have never had any land gifted to us and defended for us? Try it, see how that works out for any contenders. Why do you want Abos to stay perpetually in the stone age?

Try what?

The Abos had no choice you moron.  They were violently dispossesses by another totally unforgiving culture hell bent on taking the joint from the locals.

Pretty much like the Jews were.

Aussie wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 5:51pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 5:03pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 4:16pm: Ah....I see....gratitude from a violently dispossessed people.  Yes, it's the least they could do, I know. Do you feel the same way about violently dispossessed Jews?  Should we re-take the lump of dirt they now call Israel, and just let Jews make their own way like the rest of us who have never had any land gifted to us and defended for us? Try it, see how that works out for any contenders. Why do you want Abos to stay perpetually in the stone age? Try what? The Abos had no choice you moron.  They were violently dispossesses by another totally unforgiving culture hell bent on taking the joint from the locals. Pretty much like the Jews were.

Try taking Israel from the Jews. What did you think, Arsie?


Anyway, your analogy with the Jews is stupid. Not all Jews were dispossessed by the Nazis and the Nazis were defeated. 
Anyway, Noel Pearson, Burney, Dodson, Davies, Grant et al don't look like people violently dispossessed by a totally unforgiving culture.

Neither does any Jewish person in Israel look anything like anyone dispossessed in Europe between 1938 and 1945.

Aussie wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 5:51pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 5:03pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 4:16pm: Ah....I see....gratitude from a violently dispossessed people.  Yes, it's the least they could do, I know. Do you feel the same way about violently dispossessed Jews?  Should we re-take the lump of dirt they now call Israel, and just let Jews make their own way like the rest of us who have never had any land gifted to us and defended for us? Try it, see how that works out for any contenders. Why do you want Abos to stay perpetually in the stone age? Try what? The Abos had no choice you moron.  They were violently dispossesses by another totally unforgiving culture hell bent on taking the joint from the locals. Pretty much like the Jews were.

Every group of humans have been dispossessed by other groups multiple times.  No doubt groups of abos have also dispossessed their neighbours.

The thing to do is moan about it for a few generations then adapt or become extinct.

I guess Aussie, the racist ccuunntt wants abos to become extinct.

Nope.....just give them the token Constitutional acknowledgement via The Voice.  You have not advanced even one argument I have not been able to debunk.  No-one has.

The Voice is not a threat to anyone.  No-one loses anything.

Just encourage them to fully participate in modern Australia and treat them no different to Irish, Scottish, Sudanese or even Indian (yuck) Australians.

Gordon wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 7:35pm:

Just encourage them to fully participate in modern Australia and treat them no different to Irish, Scottish, Sudanese or even Indian (yuck) Australians.

So...you want to take Israel away from the Jews so that then the World can finally see them being treated no differently despite them being violently dispossessed from the European homes.

Okay.  Let's see your campaign right here.

Aussie wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 7:38pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 7:35pm: Just encourage them to fully participate in modern Australia and treat them no different to Irish, Scottish, Sudanese or even Indian (yuck) Australians. So...you want to take Israel away from the Jews so that then the World can finally see them being treated no differently despite them being violently dispossessed from the European homes. Okay.  Let's see your campaign right here.

Give it a go, many have tried.
Taking the Jews out of Israel wouldn't be as easy as pinning a kid to a tree, Aussie.

Gordon wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 7:40pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 7:38pm: Gordon wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 7:35pm: Just encourage them to fully participate in modern Australia and treat them no different to Irish, Scottish, Sudanese or even Indian (yuck) Australians. So...you want to take Israel away from the Jews so that then the World can finally see them being treated no differently despite them being violently dispossessed from the European homes. Okay.  Let's see your campaign right here. Give it a go, many have tried. Taking the Jews out of Israel wouldn't be as easy as pinning a kid to a tree, Aussie.

Cute.  But you are okay with the west giving Jews the State of Israel because they had been dispossessed violently by invaders, yes?

Aussie wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 7:26pm:

Nope.....just give them the token Constitutional acknowledgement via The Voice.  You have not advanced even one argument I have not been able to debunk.  No-one has. The Voice is not a threat to anyone.  No-one loses anything.

Reasons for voting NO

The Voice is symbolic and would fix no actual disadvantage.
There are multiple Aboriginal voices to all levels of political power already.
There is nothing the Voice can say that all other past and present Aboriginal bodies havent said already.
The Voice adds race to the constitution and enshrines a racial division of Australian citizenship
It could nobble government with endless request for opportunity to advise on every aspect of life since there is no aspect of life that only affects Aborigines
It is the first step to a treaty which would agitate for co-sovereignty. There is no basis for a unified, single Aboriginal sovereignty, and therefore there is nobody the Commonwealth could enter into a treaty with. A Constitutional Voice is the first step on a revisionist rewriting of history on this subject. ("First Nations" were not nations in any sense of the word. It is an anachronistic invention to soften things up for a treaty)
There are hundreds of Aboriginal tribes. None of them has a singular, unified view on all issues affecting them. So it is not possible for any 24 Aborigines to speak for them all.
Aborigines are already recognised as being here before 1788.

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The Voice is symbolic and would fix no actual disadvantage.

Yep...no disadvantage to anyone especially a fly/sail in like you.


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There are multiple Aboriginal voices to all levels of political power already.

Nope.  There are multiple community based facilities like ATSILS.


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There is nothing the Voice can say that all other past and present Aboriginal bodies havent said already.

Fine...so no skin off your nose to vote for it.


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The Voice adds race to the constitution and enshrines a racial division of Australian citizenship

It has always been there moron.


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It could nobble government with endless request for opportunity to advise on every aspect of life since there is no aspect of life that only affects Aborigines

Yep...smoke signals sent from some corner in Parliament will fuq the place.  Roight.


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It is the first step to a treaty which would agitate for co-sovereignty. There is no basis for a unified, single Aboriginal sovereignty, and therefore there is nobody the Commonwealth could enter into a treaty with.

Well, we will deal with a "Treaty of Waitangi" if that ever arises.  Not even your mate Lydia suggest this is a path to treaty...but...that is not on the table at all.


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A Constitutional Voice is the first step on a revisionist rewriting of history on this subject. ("First Nations" were not nations in any sense of the word. It is an anachronistic invention to soften things up for a treaty) There are hundreds of Aboriginal tribes. None of them has a singular, unified view on all issues affecting them. So it is not possible for any 24 Aborigines to speak for them all.

No skin off your nose Soren.  Who cares who makes up "The Voice"  Only the Black Fella so why do you give a fuq?  That's for them to sort out.


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Aborigines are already recognised as being here before 1788.

Where?

Ya see Soren...there is NOTHING you can post which I cannot so easily debunk.  WhatTF are you so afraid of?

Do you think the boong is gonna collectively come and rape your Grandma, your Wife and daughters because of The Voice...what? 

Tell me what you are going to lose.

Aussie wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 8:22pm:

Quote: The Voice is symbolic and would fix no actual disadvantage. Yep...no disadvantage to anyone especially a fly/sail in like you. [quote]There are multiple Aboriginal voices to all levels of political power already.

Nope.  There are multiple community based facilities like ATSILS.


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There is nothing the Voice can say that all other past and present Aboriginal bodies havent said already.

Fine...so no skin off your nose to vote for it.


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The Voice adds race to the constitution and enshrines a racial division of Australian citizenship

It has always been there moron.


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It could nobble government with endless request for opportunity to advise on every aspect of life since there is no aspect of life that only affects Aborigines

Yep...smoke signals sent from some corner in Parliament will fuq the place.  Roight.


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It is the first step to a treaty which would agitate for co-sovereignty. There is no basis for a unified, single Aboriginal sovereignty, and therefore there is nobody the Commonwealth could enter into a treaty with.

Well, we will deal with a "Treaty of Waitangi" if that ever arises.  Not even your mate Lydia suggest this is a path to treaty...but...that is not on the table at all.


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A Constitutional Voice is the first step on a revisionist rewriting of history on this subject. ("First Nations" were not nations in any sense of the word. It is an anachronistic invention to soften things up for a treaty) There are hundreds of Aboriginal tribes. None of them has a singular, unified view on all issues affecting them. So it is not possible for any 24 Aborigines to speak for them all.

No skin off your nose Soren.  Who cares who makes up "The Voice"  Only the Black Fella so why do you give a fuq?  That's for them to sort out.


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Aborigines are already recognised as being here before 1788.

Where?

Ya see Soren...there is NOTHING you can post which I cannot so easily debunk.  WhatTF are you so afraid of?

Do you think the boong is gonna collectively come and rape your Grandma, your Wife and daughters because of The Voice...what? 

Tell me what you are going to lose.[/quote]
This is as stupid as I expected from you, Arrsie.

"Who cares who makes up the Voice"? How stupid can you be? Everyone cares who has to vote on whether to include it in the Constitution.
This is not about some remote tribal chinwag nobody has ever heard of or ever will Arse, it is about the Constitution that impacts EVERYONE. Basic Law. Rule book of Commonwealth governance.
Your idiotic " no skin off your nose" refrain just shows how stupid you are and comprehend nothing of either the details or the implication of Constitutional amendment.

Rubbish Soren...I'll give you one last chance.

Tell me what you lose if The Voice gets up.

Do you worry we will ship you back to Europe?

Aussie wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 8:51pm:

Rubbish Soren...I'll give you one last chance. Tell me what you lose if The Voice gets up. Do you worry we will ship you back to Europe?

This is a referendum about Australian Constitutional change, eyewateringly thick non-lawyer, NOT about me or Europe or any of your inane, Bbwianesque bollocks.

Frank wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 8:59pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 8:51pm: Rubbish Soren...I'll give you one last chance. Tell me what you lose if The Voice gets up. Do you worry we will ship you back to Europe? This is a referendum about Australian Constitutional change, eyewateringly thick non-lawyer, NOT about me or Europe or any of your inane, Bbwianesque bollocks.

Who needs Foxtel? I much prefer the Saturday night Aussie and Frank show on Ozpol TV.

I love how all the racists think that pretending they care about the constitution hides their racism  :D

John Smith wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 9:12pm:

I love how all the racists think that pretending they care about the constitution hides their racism  :D

Constitution don't care what colour your paint job is, boy.... or what colour the poo you was dipped in is ..... covers all equally - in theory anyway,...

John Smith wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 9:12pm:

I love how all the racists think that pretending they care about the constitution hides their racism  :D

Damn straight! We'll know the racists by their defence of our constitution.

Aussie wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 8:51pm:

Rubbish Soren...I'll give you one last chance. Tell me what you lose if The Voice gets up. Do you worry we will ship you back to Europe?

Equal treatment under law as required....................................... instantly.  Tip of the iceberg tottering at the top of the steep and very well greased slope...

But we all know that - look at the treatment Bruce Lehrmann copped........

Aussie wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 8:51pm:

Rubbish Soren...I'll give you one last chance. Tell me what you lose if The Voice gets up. Do you worry we will ship you back to Europe?

We'll we have no details so no-one can say, it'll all be worked out after we vote yes... yeah, nah..

Setanta wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 9:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:12pm: I love how all the racists think that pretending they care about the constitution hides their racism  :D Damn straight! We'll know the racists by their defence of our constitution.

Much like America's gun nuts claiming it's more important their constitution be upheld than it is to stop kids being massacred  :D

Setanta wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 9:24pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 8:51pm: Rubbish Soren...I'll give you one last chance. Tell me what you lose if The Voice gets up. Do you worry we will ship you back to Europe? We'll we have no details so no-one can say, it'll all be worked out after we vote yes... yeah, nah..

The changes to the constitution have been detailed.  What remains to be worked out can happen with or without the constitution being changed. These faux tears about the constitution being so sacrosanct are just that, fake. Used to hide bigotry and racism.

John Smith wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 9:26pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:21pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:12pm: I love how all the racists think that pretending they care about the constitution hides their racism  :D Damn straight! We'll know the racists by their defence of our constitution. Much like America's gun nuts claiming it's more important their constitution be upheld than it is to stop kids being massacred  :D

Make that association again when people are dying here. Oh, they are but they are out of sight and mind and you hate them being brought up, is, again, racist.

Setanta wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 9:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:26pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:21pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:12pm: I love how all the racists think that pretending they care about the constitution hides their racism  :D Damn straight! We'll know the racists by their defence of our constitution. Much like America's gun nuts claiming it's more important their constitution be upheld than it is to stop kids being massacred  :D Make that association again when people are dying here. Oh, they are but they are out of sight and mind and you hate them being brought up, is, again, racist.

So constitutional preservation is only important if you agree it is? Got it.

John Smith wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 9:45pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:41pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:26pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:21pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:12pm: I love how all the racists think that pretending they care about the constitution hides their racism  :D Damn straight! We'll know the racists by their defence of our constitution. Much like America's gun nuts claiming it's more important their constitution be upheld than it is to stop kids being massacred  :D Make that association again when people are dying here. Oh, they are but they are out of sight and mind and you hate them being brought up, is, again, racist. So constitutional preservation is only important if you agree it is? Got it.

You are not a very good ventriloquist and I'm not your dummy.

JC Denton wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 3:14pm:

i like whenever theres a public vote on bc i can go into the school grounds legally then and collect all the cans out of their bins i got like $30 a school during the nsw election doing this

😂🤣😆😂🤣😆😂

Setanta wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 9:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:12pm: I love how all the racists think that pretending they care about the constitution hides their racism  :D Damn straight! We'll know the racists by their defence of our constitution.

Setanta ....just so you know ... Five Foot Frodo is too dumb to get that comment.

Setanta wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 9:24pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 8:51pm: Rubbish Soren...I'll give you one last chance. Tell me what you lose if The Voice gets up. Do you worry we will ship you back to Europe? We'll we have no details so no-one can say, it'll all be worked out after we vote yes... yeah, nah..

It’s pretty much like buying a house and being told after settlement what the pest and building reports say. Only a bona fide NONG would accept a proposal to buy a house on that basis.

Setanta wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 9:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:45pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:41pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:26pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:21pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:12pm: I love how all the racists think that pretending they care about the constitution hides their racism  :D Damn straight! We'll know the racists by their defence of our constitution. Much like America's gun nuts claiming it's more important their constitution be upheld than it is to stop kids being massacred  :D Make that association again when people are dying here. Oh, they are but they are out of sight and mind and you hate them being brought up, is, again, racist. So constitutional preservation is only important if you agree it is? Got it. You are not a very good ventriloquist and I'm not your dummy.

Yes, I don't blame you for running away.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 10:09pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:24pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 8:51pm: Rubbish Soren...I'll give you one last chance. Tell me what you lose if The Voice gets up. Do you worry we will ship you back to Europe? We'll we have no details so no-one can say, it'll all be worked out after we vote yes... yeah, nah.. It’s pretty much like buying a house and being told after settlement what the pest and building reports say. Only a bona fide NONG would accept a proposal to buy a house on that basis.

Setanta would you be stupid enough to buy a house on the basis of trusting the other party only ie seeing the building inspection and pest reports only after settlement?

John Smith wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 10:17pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:49pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:45pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:41pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:26pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:21pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:12pm: I love how all the racists think that pretending they care about the constitution hides their racism  :D Damn straight! We'll know the racists by their defence of our constitution. Much like America's gun nuts claiming it's more important their constitution be upheld than it is to stop kids being massacred  :D Make that association again when people are dying here. Oh, they are but they are out of sight and mind and you hate them being brought up, is, again, racist. So constitutional preservation is only important if you agree it is? Got it. You are not a very good ventriloquist and I'm not your dummy. Yes, I don't blame you for running away.

Pissing on you laffingly is not 'running away',  woggerooni.
You are drenched, go to bed.

Frank wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 10:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 10:17pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:49pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:45pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:41pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:26pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:21pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:12pm: I love how all the racists think that pretending they care about the constitution hides their racism  :D Damn straight! We'll know the racists by their defence of our constitution. Much like America's gun nuts claiming it's more important their constitution be upheld than it is to stop kids being massacred  :D Make that association again when people are dying here. Oh, they are but they are out of sight and mind and you hate them being brought up, is, again, racist. So constitutional preservation is only important if you agree it is? Got it. You are not a very good ventriloquist and I'm not your dummy. Yes, I don't blame you for running away. Pissing on you laffingly is not 'running away',  woggerooni. You are drenched, go to bed.

You know you're more of a wog than I am, you dumbarse? ;D

John Smith wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 10:28pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 10:24pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 10:17pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:49pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:45pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:41pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:26pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:21pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:12pm: I love how all the racists think that pretending they care about the constitution hides their racism  :D Damn straight! We'll know the racists by their defence of our constitution. Much like America's gun nuts claiming it's more important their constitution be upheld than it is to stop kids being massacred  :D Make that association again when people are dying here. Oh, they are but they are out of sight and mind and you hate them being brought up, is, again, racist. So constitutional preservation is only important if you agree it is? Got it. You are not a very good ventriloquist and I'm not your dummy. Yes, I don't blame you for running away. Pissing on you laffingly is not 'running away',  woggerooni. You are drenched, go to bed. You know you're more of a wog than I am, you dumbarse? ;D

Is that because you’re an Aboriginal Five Foot Five Frodo?

NSW Premier Chris Minns has inked the documents to start the transfer of a heritage-listed island in Sydney Harbour to Aboriginal ownership.

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/a-historic-moment-nsw-government-moves-forward-with-transferring-sydneys-goat-island-to-aboriginal-ownership/news-story/5066f99d2c6120f40b6b2d40a9365bdb


No White People allowed

No White People Allowed


https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/mt-warning-climbing-ban-security-on-sacred-mountain-costs-taxpayers-7-000-a-week/ar-AA1dbQ7R?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=0bb436748120400cb6f1a282bcb592c2&ei=6


Mt Warning climbing ban: Security on sacred mountain costs taxpayers $7,000 a week
Story by Peter Vincent For Daily Mail Australia • Thursday


Taxpayers have paid over $100,000 to block hikers from climbing a iconic Australian mountain after it was declared 'sacred' for cultural reasons.

Private security guards were hired at a cost of $7,000 a week in April by the National Parks and Wildlife Service (NPWS) to prevent access to Mt Warning in the Wollumbin National Park in northern NSW.

The 1,157m mountain, famous for its craggy peak and the tough 4.4km track to reach it, has been off limits since March 2020, first due to the pandemic and then because of track repairs.

Then in October 2022 the Wollumbin Consultative Group, representing a range of Aboriginal groups and families, recommended it be closed permanently due to its sacred significance to local Indigenous people.

John Smith wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 10:28pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 10:24pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 10:17pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:49pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:45pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:41pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:26pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:21pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:12pm: I love how all the racists think that pretending they care about the constitution hides their racism  :D Damn straight! We'll know the racists by their defence of our constitution. Much like America's gun nuts claiming it's more important their constitution be upheld than it is to stop kids being massacred  :D Make that association again when people are dying here. Oh, they are but they are out of sight and mind and you hate them being brought up, is, again, racist. So constitutional preservation is only important if you agree it is? Got it. You are not a very good ventriloquist and I'm not your dummy. Yes, I don't blame you for running away. Pissing on you laffingly is not 'running away',  woggerooni. You are drenched, go to bed. You know you're more of a wog than I am, you dumbarse? ;D

No, I am not. I am not a swarthy like you.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 9:22pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 8:51pm: Rubbish Soren...I'll give you one last chance. Tell me what you lose if The Voice gets up. Do you worry we will ship you back to Europe? Equal treatment under law as required....................................... instantly.  Tip of the iceberg tottering at the top of the steep and very well greased slope... But we all know that - look at the treatment Bruce Lehrmann copped........

The very thing they were denied when they were violently dispossessed.

Aussie wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2023 at 9:28am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:22pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 8:51pm: Rubbish Soren...I'll give you one last chance. Tell me what you lose if The Voice gets up. Do you worry we will ship you back to Europe? Equal treatment under law as required....................................... instantly.  Tip of the iceberg tottering at the top of the steep and very well greased slope... But we all know that - look at the treatment Bruce Lehrmann copped........ The very thing they were denied when they were violently dispossessed.

You mean back in 1788? By England?

Breaking News Aussie ... it’s 2023.

Oh and FYI we are not an English colony.

Aussie wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 8:51pm:

Rubbish Soren...I'll give you one last chance. Tell me what you lose if The Voice gets up. Do you worry we will ship you back to Europe?

I think you will find that non-Indigenous worry that we will lose our equal rights, with indigenous people getting further special privileges.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2023 at 1:19pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 8:51pm: Rubbish Soren...I'll give you one last chance. Tell me what you lose if The Voice gets up. Do you worry we will ship you back to Europe? I think you will find that non-Indigenous worry that we will lose our equal rights, with indigenous people getting further special privileges.

Equal rights to what?????

Do you still worry about the boogie man under the bed at night?

Aussie wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2023 at 1:39pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 1:19pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 8:51pm: Rubbish Soren...I'll give you one last chance. Tell me what you lose if The Voice gets up. Do you worry we will ship you back to Europe? I think you will find that non-Indigenous worry that we will lose our equal rights, with indigenous people getting further special privileges. Equal rights to what????? Do you still worry about the boogie man under the bed at night?

Equal rights and equal opportunities afforded to us under the Australian law.

And no, I do not worry about the boogie man under the bed at night. I worry about the dogs barking next door giving me poor tipping advice for the NRL.

You have the same rights to a nothing as the Abo does.

Equal to a nothing is a nothing.

Aussie wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2023 at 1:54pm:

You have the same rights to a nothing as the Abo does. Equal to a nothing is a nothing.

WTF is that supposed to mean? No wonder you are not a lawyer.

Frank wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 11:13pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 10:28pm: Frank wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 10:24pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 10:17pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:49pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:45pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:41pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:26pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:21pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2023 at 9:12pm: I love how all the racists think that pretending they care about the constitution hides their racism  :D Damn straight! We'll know the racists by their defence of our constitution. Much like America's gun nuts claiming it's more important their constitution be upheld than it is to stop kids being massacred  :D Make that association again when people are dying here. Oh, they are but they are out of sight and mind and you hate them being brought up, is, again, racist. So constitutional preservation is only important if you agree it is? Got it. You are not a very good ventriloquist and I'm not your dummy. Yes, I don't blame you for running away. Pissing on you laffingly is not 'running away',  woggerooni. You are drenched, go to bed. You know you're more of a wog than I am, you dumbarse? ;D No, I am not. I am not a swarthy like you.

No, you're a wog. And it's about time you went home.

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2023 at 7:37pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 26th, 2023 at 5:02pm: Not all No votes are racist, but all racists will vote No. You have it back to front, SadSack, as usual. Not all Yes voters are racists but all Yes voters are racists: they want a racially segregated Australia constitutionally cemented. (The ones that think. Many don't, only emote).

Yeah sure, you and the rest of the front bottoms on here supporting the calls for sending the army into the Alice to kill all the indigenous australians now legitimately care about racism?

smacking lol...

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 4^th, 2023 at 9:26am:

Frank wrote on Jun 26th, 2023 at 7:37pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 26th, 2023 at 5:02pm: Not all No votes are racist, but all racists will vote No. You have it back to front, SadSack, as usual. Not all Yes voters are racists but all Yes voters are racists: they want a racially segregated Australia constitutionally cemented. (The ones that think. Many don't, only emote). Yeah sure, you and the rest of the front bottoms on here supporting the calls for sending the army into the Alice to kill all the indigenous australians now legitimately care about racism? smacking lol...

Could you imagine the international outcry we Australians of all ethnicity would face in the world scrutiny, if our army even tried to kill a single indigenous Australia, in the name of public order? Indigenous people all over the country would not just protest. They would riot like crazy. And then there would be extreme international condemnation throughout the world -- especially the anti-white governments just looking for an excuse to deflect attention away from their failures.

I have seen organised criminality of indigenous people in my town before. But, some kind of military intervention with an armed conflict against indigenous Australians would lead to rioting that I have not seen before. Innocent people will get hurt.

Aussie wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2023 at 1:54pm:

You have the same rights to a nothing as the Abo does. Equal to a nothing is a nothing.

What piffling poppycock.

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 4^th, 2023 at 9:26am:

Frank wrote on Jun 26th, 2023 at 7:37pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 26th, 2023 at 5:02pm: Not all No votes are racist, but all racists will vote No. You have it back to front, SadSack, as usual. Not all Yes voters are racists but all Yes voters are racists: they want a racially segregated Australia constitutionally cemented. (The ones that think. Many don't, only emote). Yeah sure, you and the rest of the front bottoms on here supporting the calls for sending the army into the Alice to kill all the indigenous australians now legitimately care about racism? smacking lol...

Only one front bottom here - that's you - & a lying front bottom to boot.

No one said that.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2023 at 10:02pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 1:54pm: You have the same rights to a nothing as the Abo does. Equal to a nothing is a nothing. WTF is that supposed to mean? No wonder you are not a lawyer.

What is half of nothing?  What is twice nothing?  What is equal to nothing?

The answer numbnuts is.......nothing.

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 4^th, 2023 at 9:26am:

Frank wrote on Jun 26th, 2023 at 7:37pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 26th, 2023 at 5:02pm: Not all No votes are racist, but all racists will vote No. You have it back to front, SadSack, as usual. Not all Yes voters are racists but all Yes voters are racists: they want a racially segregated Australia constitutionally cemented. (The ones that think. Many don't, only emote). Yeah sure, you and the rest of the front bottoms on here supporting the calls for sending the army into the Alice to kill all the indigenous australians now legitimately care about racism? smacking lol...

Please show where anyone has called for the army to slaughter aboriginals. 

It's a trap. Vote No !

---

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 4^th, 2023 at 9:46am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 9:26am: Frank wrote on Jun 26th, 2023 at 7:37pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 26th, 2023 at 5:02pm: Not all No votes are racist, but all racists will vote No. You have it back to front, SadSack, as usual. Not all Yes voters are racists but all Yes voters are racists: they want a racially segregated Australia constitutionally cemented. (The ones that think. Many don't, only emote). Yeah sure, you and the rest of the front bottoms on here supporting the calls for sending the army into the Alice to kill all the indigenous australians now legitimately care about racism? smacking lol... Could you imagine the international outcry we Australians of all ethnicity would face in the world scrutiny, if our army even tried to kill a single indigenous Australia, in the name of public order? Indigenous people all over the country would not just protest. They would riot like crazy. And then there would be extreme international condemnation throughout the world -- especially the anti-white governments just looking for an excuse to deflect attention away from their failures. I have seen organised criminality of indigenous people in my town before. But, some kind of military intervention with an armed conflict against indigenous Australians would lead to rioting that I have not seen before. Innocent people will get hurt.

Bullshit.  Grow up, Unnsub.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Aussie wrote on Jul 4^th, 2023 at 10:50am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 10:02pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 1:54pm: You have the same rights to a nothing as the Abo does. Equal to a nothing is a nothing. WTF is that supposed to mean? No wonder you are not a lawyer. What is half of nothing?  What is twice nothing?  What is equal to nothing? The answer numbnuts is......

....your "mind", arssie.

Aussie wrote on Jul 4^th, 2023 at 10:50am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 10:02pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 1:54pm: You have the same rights to a nothing as the Abo does. Equal to a nothing is a nothing. WTF is that supposed to mean? No wonder you are not a lawyer. What is half of nothing?  What is twice nothing?  What is equal to nothing? The answer numbnuts is.......nothing.

I am aware of the mathematics of multiplying and dividing zero. But, you are one who is divisible by zero. I can't get an answer from you.

I have my rights as an individual. These rights are implicit in the laws of the land of Australia. I abide by them. I do okay. I have the right to do anything I want within the boundaries of Australian law in Australia.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 4^th, 2023 at 2:20pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 9:46am: SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 9:26am: Frank wrote on Jun 26th, 2023 at 7:37pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 26th, 2023 at 5:02pm: Not all No votes are racist, but all racists will vote No. You have it back to front, SadSack, as usual. Not all Yes voters are racists but all Yes voters are racists: they want a racially segregated Australia constitutionally cemented. (The ones that think. Many don't, only emote). Yeah sure, you and the rest of the front bottoms on here supporting the calls for sending the army into the Alice to kill all the indigenous australians now legitimately care about racism? smacking lol... Could you imagine the international outcry we Australians of all ethnicity would face in the world scrutiny, if our army even tried to kill a single indigenous Australia, in the name of public order? Indigenous people all over the country would not just protest. They would riot like crazy. And then there would be extreme international condemnation throughout the world -- especially the anti-white governments just looking for an excuse to deflect attention away from their failures. I have seen organised criminality of indigenous people in my town before. But, some kind of military intervention with an armed conflict against indigenous Australians would lead to rioting that I have not seen before. Innocent people will get hurt. Bullshit.  Grow up, Unnsub.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

There is nothing "bullshit" about what I wrote. Pay attention.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 4^th, 2023 at 2:29pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 10:50am: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 10:02pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 1:54pm: You have the same rights to a nothing as the Abo does. Equal to a nothing is a nothing. WTF is that supposed to mean? No wonder you are not a lawyer. What is half of nothing?  What is twice nothing?  What is equal to nothing? The answer numbnuts is.......nothing. I am aware of the mathematics of multiplying and dividing zero. But, you are one who is divisible by zero. I can't get an answer from you. I have my rights as an individual. These rights are implicit in the laws of the land of Australia. I abide by them. I do okay. I have the right to do anything I want within the boundaries of Australian law in Australia.

I don't give a flying bugger what you do.  But...if you are here and arguing a point, make sure it makes sense.

You lose SFA if The Voice exists.

There is no-one here who has yet told me what they lose if The Voice exists.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 4^th, 2023 at 2:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 2:20pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 9:46am: SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 9:26am: Frank wrote on Jun 26th, 2023 at 7:37pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 26th, 2023 at 5:02pm: Not all No votes are racist, but all racists will vote No. You have it back to front, SadSack, as usual. Not all Yes voters are racists but all Yes voters are racists: they want a racially segregated Australia constitutionally cemented. (The ones that think. Many don't, only emote). Yeah sure, you and the rest of the front bottoms on here supporting the calls for sending the army into the Alice to kill all the indigenous australians now legitimately care about racism? smacking lol... Could you imagine the international outcry we Australians of all ethnicity would face in the world scrutiny, if our army even tried to kill a single indigenous Australia, in the name of public order? Indigenous people all over the country would not just protest. They would riot like crazy. And then there would be extreme international condemnation throughout the world -- especially the anti-white governments just looking for an excuse to deflect attention away from their failures. I have seen organised criminality of indigenous people in my town before. But, some kind of military intervention with an armed conflict against indigenous Australians would lead to rioting that I have not seen before. Innocent people will get hurt. Bullshit.  Grow up, Unnsub.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) There is nothing "bullshit" about what I wrote. Pay attention.

All of it is bullshit, Unsub.  First up, you have problems with "Aide to the Civil Power problems and how the military reacts to orders to shoot Australians, then you have problems with understanding the limits of the Government and what it can order the military to do. Then you need to grow up about what your fellow Australians are capable of.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Aussie wrote on Jul 4^th, 2023 at 4:35pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 2:29pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 10:50am: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 10:02pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 1:54pm: You have the same rights to a nothing as the Abo does. Equal to a nothing is a nothing. WTF is that supposed to mean? No wonder you are not a lawyer. What is half of nothing?  What is twice nothing?  What is equal to nothing? The answer numbnuts is.......nothing. I am aware of the mathematics of multiplying and dividing zero. But, you are one who is divisible by zero. I can't get an answer from you. I have my rights as an individual. These rights are implicit in the laws of the land of Australia. I abide by them. I do okay. I have the right to do anything I want within the boundaries of Australian law in Australia. I don't give a flying bugger what you do.  But...if you are here and arguing a point, make sure it makes sense. You lose SFA if The Voice exists. There is no-one here who has yet told me what they lose if The Voice exists.

This is what you lose. If elbo tells you to do it you do the exact opposite ;)

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/processed-9d1f86ba-c4fd-417d-8352-92cb76856a5d_ktZ71m1S__1__001.jpeg

Aussie wrote on Jul 4^th, 2023 at 4:35pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 2:29pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 10:50am: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 10:02pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 1:54pm: You have the same rights to a nothing as the Abo does. Equal to a nothing is a nothing. WTF is that supposed to mean? No wonder you are not a lawyer. What is half of nothing?  What is twice nothing?  What is equal to nothing? The answer numbnuts is.......nothing. I am aware of the mathematics of multiplying and dividing zero. But, you are one who is divisible by zero. I can't get an answer from you. I have my rights as an individual. These rights are implicit in the laws of the land of Australia. I abide by them. I do okay. I have the right to do anything I want within the boundaries of Australian law in Australia. I don't give a flying bugger what you do.  But...if you are here and arguing a point, make sure it makes sense. You lose SFA if The Voice exists. There is no-one here who has yet told me what they lose if The Voice exists.

No-one can, there are no details. Strawman and prove the negative.

Frank wrote on Jul 1^st, 2023 at 11:49am:

Inside the Uluru statement, two major accusations are expressed in one pithy sentence: “In 1967 we were counted, in 2017 we seek to be heard.” The Aboriginal leaders who met at Uluru believed their kinsfolk were not even deemed worthy of being counted – until the referendum of 1967 raised their political status. Anthony Albanese himself, while understandably basking in his political honeymoon, affirmed this accusation, and continues to do so in parliament. If true, the accusation is a serious blemish on the Australian nation during the past century and a half. But it is not true. ... The Uluru statement is militant. It offers no sentence of respect or gratitude to the Australian people. Yet it is hailed by Albanese as warm hearted and generous. He even announced in a memorial lecture in Adelaide recently that it was an invitation extended “to every single Australian in love and grace and patience”. A disciple of Bruce Pascoe, Albanese admires his nonsensical Dark Emu theory. Pascoe believes Aboriginal Australia was the first real democracy in the world and for 80,000 years a haven of peace and prosperity. Albanese believes this utopia – in fact, it never existed – can in some ways be honoured if Indigenous people are compensated with special powers and rights. Parliament in its recent debate did nothing to validate the Uluru accusation that mainstream Australians had refused for generations even to count Aboriginal people. In fact, these proud people were being counted before any one of us was born. Geoffrey Blainey https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/before-we-vote-on-indigenous-voice-to-parliament-lets-get-all-our-facts-in-order/news-story/a878a85d7a6eed0170fb399c71875058

Geoffrey Blainey suggests there are crocodile tears behind the central Uluru statement, “in 1967 we were counted, in 2017 we seek to be heard”, and backs that suggestion up with fact after fact.

Blainey explains that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders have been counted in every federal census since 1901, while in state censuses in 1871 in South Australia and Victoria all races were counted. Indeed, the meticulous details subsequently tabled by Victorian statisticians were made possible by 918 officials on horseback and 650 on foot investigating “remote townships, huts and tents”, with four out of every 10 Victorian Aboriginal men saying they were following a paid occupation. We also learn of Aboriginal men voting in the late 1850s, of a man of Aboriginal and convict ancestry who won the rural seat of Young in NSW in 1889, and of Aboriginal women attending polling booths in 1896, with Blainey spot-on to conclude, “these triumphs contradict the Uluru manifesto”.

It will never be enough:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW5Nebs3TFA

Aussie wrote on Jul 4^th, 2023 at 4:35pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 2:29pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 10:50am: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 10:02pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 1:54pm: You have the same rights to a nothing as the Abo does. Equal to a nothing is a nothing. WTF is that supposed to mean? No wonder you are not a lawyer. What is half of nothing?  What is twice nothing?  What is equal to nothing? The answer numbnuts is.......nothing. I am aware of the mathematics of multiplying and dividing zero. But, you are one who is divisible by zero. I can't get an answer from you. I have my rights as an individual. These rights are implicit in the laws of the land of Australia. I abide by them. I do okay. I have the right to do anything I want within the boundaries of Australian law in Australia. I don't give a flying bugger what you do.  But...if you are here and arguing a point, make sure it makes sense. You lose SFA if The Voice exists. There is no-one here who has yet told me what they lose if The Voice exists.

This has already been posed in another thread. You must have missed it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq9Xh2kOC-M

Thanks Belgarion - good video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq9Xh2kOC-M




49,679 views  Jun 25, 2023
Sky News host Amanda Stoker says the lead advocate on the Yes campaign for the Voice, Thomas Mayo, was recorded saying he expected the Voice to “get its hands” on superannuation policy while talking to independent MP Zoe Daniel.

“The bloke who designed the Voice ... wants a practical veto on super policy because remember, Mr Albanese said it would be ‘a brave government’ that didn't do as the Voice says,” Ms Stoker said.

“That’s not democracy. So, it’s time for the government to come clean. How much power will the Voice have over your retirement savings?

“Teal MPs like Zoe Daniel, as well as Labor, have a lot of explaining to do.”

Setanta wrote on Jul 4^th, 2023 at 7:06pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 4:35pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 2:29pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 10:50am: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 10:02pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 1:54pm: You have the same rights to a nothing as the Abo does. Equal to a nothing is a nothing. WTF is that supposed to mean? No wonder you are not a lawyer. What is half of nothing?  What is twice nothing?  What is equal to nothing? The answer numbnuts is.......nothing. I am aware of the mathematics of multiplying and dividing zero. But, you are one who is divisible by zero. I can't get an answer from you. I have my rights as an individual. These rights are implicit in the laws of the land of Australia. I abide by them. I do okay. I have the right to do anything I want within the boundaries of Australian law in Australia. I don't give a flying bugger what you do.  But...if you are here and arguing a point, make sure it makes sense. You lose SFA if The Voice exists. There is no-one here who has yet told me what they lose if The Voice exists. No-one can, there are no details. Strawman and prove the negative.

The only strawman is this continual claim that there are no details.  You have all the details you need about the proposed changes to the constitution.  The crap you're crying about doesn't need the voice to get up for government to legislate it. It can happen regardless.

Aussie wrote on Jul 4^th, 2023 at 4:35pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 2:29pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 10:50am: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 10:02pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 1:54pm: You have the same rights to a nothing as the Abo does. Equal to a nothing is a nothing. WTF is that supposed to mean? No wonder you are not a lawyer. What is half of nothing?  What is twice nothing?  What is equal to nothing? The answer numbnuts is.......nothing. I am aware of the mathematics of multiplying and dividing zero. But, you are one who is divisible by zero. I can't get an answer from you. I have my rights as an individual. These rights are implicit in the laws of the land of Australia. I abide by them. I do okay. I have the right to do anything I want within the boundaries of Australian law in Australia. I don't give a flying bugger what you do.  But...if you are here and arguing a point, make sure it makes sense. You lose SFA if The Voice exists. There is no-one here who has yet told me what they lose if The Voice exists.

You know what? I am just going to agree with what you have just written there. If I am here to argue a point, I should make sure it makes sense. Agreed. But, make sure when you go on about making mathematical analogies, you get to a point and not leave me guessing what you meant.

I lose sweet bugger all if The Voice to Parliament exists. But, what do I have to gain? And if the indigenous Australians gain an advantage over non-indigenous Australians, that might be a point where I lose out. Repeat: that might be a point where I lose out.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 4^th, 2023 at 5:30pm:

All of it is bullshit, Unsub.  First up, you have problems with "Aide to the Civil Power problems and how the military reacts to orders to shoot Australians, then you have problems with understanding the limits of the Government and what it can order the military to do. Then you need to grow up about what your fellow Australians are capable of.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

No, I don't know what the "Aid to the Civil Power" entails. So, I googled a pdf of the article: http://www5.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/AUCrimPCF/1983/2.pdf

Without having read the 5 pages of information related, unless you find that this article does not have relevance to what you are talking about, I can assume at best that the army can be used to prevent large-scale domestic violence issues in a certain region.

And I have witnessed the army being used to conduct this matter, about 23 or 24 years ago in Rockhampton. Can't remember? I can. It was part of the reason why Rockhamptonites started having the white supremacist tag attached to the community. Just recently, the label had been reattached to the community with the vigilante groups going around harassing alleged car thieves.

I have even posted this as a form of unbiased analysis of threatening to use the military against indigenous people:

Quote:

Could you imagine the international outcry we Australians of all ethnicity would face in the world scrutiny, if our army even tried to kill a single indigenous Australia, in the name of public order? Indigenous people all over the country would not just protest. They would riot like crazy.

I am actually surprised that you called "bullshit" on that, Brian. International condemnation would fall upon Australians for allowing this kind of violence to take place. If the army is required to quell rioting by indigenous people, it is obvious that the local police are not equipped to handle something large scale. And even if the army and the police use body camera footage to video document the suppression of violence among indigenous people, internationally, the world will react with accusations of genocide if more than one indigenous person gets killed.

I do not know what kind of perception you have of Australians. However, we Australians are a pretty egalitarian bunch of people. A considerable number of Australian people would side with the underdog getting done over, if it came down to 50/50 justifications of violence conducted by the army/police.

John Smith wrote on Jul 4^th, 2023 at 10:11pm:

The only strawman is this continual claim that there are no details.  You have all the details you need about the proposed changes to the constitution.  The crap you're crying about doesn't need the voice to get up for government to legislate it. It can happen regardless.

From memory, the details of the Voice to Parliament are so far 5 pages of websites I can find online. If there is a 100+ pages worth of information about the proposal, I would love for you to direct me to a link.

I have filed bookmarks of about 20 websites regarding the Voice to Parliament. That is out of the 120 relevant VtP websites that I had found available to read. If one of the websites have explicit detail of what the changes will take place, I will let you know.

Setanta wrote on Jul 4^th, 2023 at 7:06pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 4:35pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 2:29pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 10:50am: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 10:02pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 1:54pm: You have the same rights to a nothing as the Abo does. Equal to a nothing is a nothing. WTF is that supposed to mean? No wonder you are not a lawyer. What is half of nothing?  What is twice nothing?  What is equal to nothing? The answer numbnuts is.......nothing. I am aware of the mathematics of multiplying and dividing zero. But, you are one who is divisible by zero. I can't get an answer from you. I have my rights as an individual. These rights are implicit in the laws of the land of Australia. I abide by them. I do okay. I have the right to do anything I want within the boundaries of Australian law in Australia. I don't give a flying bugger what you do.  But...if you are here and arguing a point, make sure it makes sense. You lose SFA if The Voice exists. There is no-one here who has yet told me what they lose if The Voice exists. No-one can, there are no details. Strawman and prove the negative.

Garbage.  What details are lacking?

Bobby. wrote on Jul 4^th, 2023 at 7:59pm:

Thanks Belgarion - good video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq9Xh2kOC-M 49,679 views  Jun 25, 2023 Sky News host Amanda Stoker says the lead advocate on the Yes campaign for the Voice, Thomas Mayo, was recorded saying he expected the Voice to “get its hands” on superannuation policy while talking to independent MP Zoe Daniel. “The bloke who designed the Voice ... wants a practical veto on super policy because remember, Mr Albanese said it would be ‘a brave government’ that didn't do as the Voice says,” Ms Stoker said. “That’s not democracy. So, it’s time for the government to come clean. How much power will the Voice have over your retirement savings? “Teal MPs like Zoe Daniel, as well as Labor, have a lot of explaining to do.”

The minister does not answer the question. Instead, she states what the Voice will not do. Yet the government insists the powers have not been established. The minister implies she knows what those powers will be. Otherwise, she would not be able to say anything. However, the Australia Day exclusion is a downright lie.

Belgarion wrote on Jul 4^th, 2023 at 7:41pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 4:35pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 2:29pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 10:50am: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 10:02pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 1:54pm: You have the same rights to a nothing as the Abo does. Equal to a nothing is a nothing. WTF is that supposed to mean? No wonder you are not a lawyer. What is half of nothing?  What is twice nothing?  What is equal to nothing? The answer numbnuts is.......nothing. I am aware of the mathematics of multiplying and dividing zero. But, you are one who is divisible by zero. I can't get an answer from you. I have my rights as an individual. These rights are implicit in the laws of the land of Australia. I abide by them. I do okay. I have the right to do anything I want within the boundaries of Australian law in Australia. I don't give a flying bugger what you do.  But...if you are here and arguing a point, make sure it makes sense. You lose SFA if The Voice exists. There is no-one here who has yet told me what they lose if The Voice exists. This has already been posed in another thread. You must have missed it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq9Xh2kOC-M

Skynews rubbish.  Nothing in that where anything lost is explained.  Just Andrew Bolt text delivered in Andrew Bolt style by a blonde bimbo.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 7:53am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 10:11pm: The only strawman is this continual claim that there are no details.  You have all the details you need about the proposed changes to the constitution.  The crap you're crying about doesn't need the voice to get up for government to legislate it. It can happen regardless. From memory, the details of the Voice to Parliament are so far 5 pages of websites I can find online. If there is a 100+ pages worth of information about the proposal, I would love for you to direct me to a link. I have filed bookmarks of about 20 websites regarding the Voice to Parliament. That is out of the 120 relevant VtP websites that I had found available to read. If one of the websites have explicit detail of what the changes will take place, I will let you know.

What 100 pages? There's only one question being asked, "A Proposed Law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice.

Do you approve this proposed alteration?"

that is it. You don't need 100 pages. Everything else is smoke and mirrors used by bigots. All the other scenarios the bigots are scared off can be legislated regardless of whether or not the constitution is amended.

If it is going to a referendum, then there is more to it than just a few word changes to the constitution.

Of course, the government does not want to specify the make up and powers of the Voice before the referendum. The more they specify, the less palatable a change to the Constitution becomes to the public. That's a historical no-brainer.

KISS Principle. Keep it simple, stupid. Yes or No, Do you feel sorry the Aboriginals. YES? Oh . . . look what got slipped in while you were feeling sorry.

Aussie wrote on Jul 4^th, 2023 at 4:35pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 2:29pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 10:50am: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 10:02pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 1:54pm: You have the same rights to a nothing as the Abo does. Equal to a nothing is a nothing. WTF is that supposed to mean? No wonder you are not a lawyer. What is half of nothing?  What is twice nothing?  What is equal to nothing? The answer numbnuts is.......nothing. I am aware of the mathematics of multiplying and dividing zero. But, you are one who is divisible by zero. I can't get an answer from you. I have my rights as an individual. These rights are implicit in the laws of the land of Australia. I abide by them. I do okay. I have the right to do anything I want within the boundaries of Australian law in Australia. I don't give a flying bugger what you do.  But...if you are here and arguing a point, make sure it makes sense. You lose SFA if The Voice exists. There is no-one here who has yet told me what they lose if The Voice exists.

It can exist .... but not in the Constitution.

As to what "they lose" - The rest of Australians will not be represented equally under the Constitution.

It will be a "them & us" -  it's divisive.

Gnads wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 8:24am:

Aussie wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 4:35pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 2:29pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 10:50am: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 10:02pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 1:54pm: You have the same rights to a nothing as the Abo does. Equal to a nothing is a nothing. WTF is that supposed to mean? No wonder you are not a lawyer. What is half of nothing?  What is twice nothing?  What is equal to nothing? The answer numbnuts is.......nothing. I am aware of the mathematics of multiplying and dividing zero. But, you are one who is divisible by zero. I can't get an answer from you. I have my rights as an individual. These rights are implicit in the laws of the land of Australia. I abide by them. I do okay. I have the right to do anything I want within the boundaries of Australian law in Australia. I don't give a flying bugger what you do.  But...if you are here and arguing a point, make sure it makes sense. You lose SFA if The Voice exists. There is no-one here who has yet told me what they lose if The Voice exists. It can exist .... but not in the Constitution. As to what "they lose" - The rest of Australians will not be represented equally under the Constitution. It will be a "them & us" -  it's divisive.

They get nothing (beyond recognition as the original inhabitants of this Land from which they were violently dispossessed)....especially representation......'we' get nothing.'  Equal.

I'll try my Israel analogy with you.

You happy for the Jews to given the State of Israel, the land on which it operates and full tooty defence by the West?

John Smith wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 8:10am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 7:53am: John Smith wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 10:11pm: The only strawman is this continual claim that there are no details.  You have all the details you need about the proposed changes to the constitution.  The crap you're crying about doesn't need the voice to get up for government to legislate it. It can happen regardless. From memory, the details of the Voice to Parliament are so far 5 pages of websites I can find online. If there is a 100+ pages worth of information about the proposal, I would love for you to direct me to a link. I have filed bookmarks of about 20 websites regarding the Voice to Parliament. That is out of the 120 relevant VtP websites that I had found available to read. If one of the websites have explicit detail of what the changes will take place, I will let you know. What 100 pages? There's only one question being asked, "A Proposed Law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice. Do you approve this proposed alteration?" that is it. You don't need 100 pages. Everything else is smoke and mirrors used by bigots. All the other scenarios the bigots are scared off can be legislated regardless of whether or not the constitution is amended.

One poorly worded question with a sting in it's tail.

It's one thing to recognise ATSI people in the Constitution ... it's completely another to enshrine a body, advisory or not(short on working detail) in the Constitution based on race.

Maybe the referendum should be split into 2 questions?

1. One about recognition -

2. One about the Voice body -

I'd vote 1. yes 2. No

Aussie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 8:31am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 8:24am: Aussie wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 4:35pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 2:29pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 10:50am: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 10:02pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 1:54pm: You have the same rights to a nothing as the Abo does. Equal to a nothing is a nothing. WTF is that supposed to mean? No wonder you are not a lawyer. What is half of nothing?  What is twice nothing?  What is equal to nothing? The answer numbnuts is.......nothing. I am aware of the mathematics of multiplying and dividing zero. But, you are one who is divisible by zero. I can't get an answer from you. I have my rights as an individual. These rights are implicit in the laws of the land of Australia. I abide by them. I do okay. I have the right to do anything I want within the boundaries of Australian law in Australia. I don't give a flying bugger what you do.  But...if you are here and arguing a point, make sure it makes sense. You lose SFA if The Voice exists. There is no-one here who has yet told me what they lose if The Voice exists. It can exist .... but not in the Constitution. As to what "they lose" - The rest of Australians will not be represented equally under the Constitution. It will be a "them & us" -  it's divisive. They get nothing (beyond recognition as the original inhabitants of this Land from which they were violently dispossessed)....especially representation......'we' get nothing.'  Equal. I'll try my Israel analogy with you. You happy for the Jews to given the State of Israel, the land on which it operates and full tooty defence by the West?

What bullshyte --- even for a shyster like you.

Stick your anti-semite analogy up your keyster.

The Israelis(Jews) have as much right as the Arabs to live there.

They don't need the West to defend their turf from Arabs wanting their annihilation. 

Aussie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 8:31am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 8:24am: Aussie wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 4:35pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 2:29pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 4th, 2023 at 10:50am: UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 10:02pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 2nd, 2023 at 1:54pm: You have the same rights to a nothing as the Abo does. Equal to a nothing is a nothing. WTF is that supposed to mean? No wonder you are not a lawyer. What is half of nothing?  What is twice nothing?  What is equal to nothing? The answer numbnuts is.......nothing. I am aware of the mathematics of multiplying and dividing zero. But, you are one who is divisible by zero. I can't get an answer from you. I have my rights as an individual. These rights are implicit in the laws of the land of Australia. I abide by them. I do okay. I have the right to do anything I want within the boundaries of Australian law in Australia. I don't give a flying bugger what you do.  But...if you are here and arguing a point, make sure it makes sense. You lose SFA if The Voice exists. There is no-one here who has yet told me what they lose if The Voice exists. It can exist .... but not in the Constitution. As to what "they lose" - The rest of Australians will not be represented equally under the Constitution. It will be a "them & us" -  it's divisive. They get nothing (beyond recognition as the original inhabitants of this Land from which they were violently dispossessed)....especially representation......'we' get nothing.'  Equal. I'll try my Israel analogy with you. You happy for the Jews to given the State of Israel, the land on which it operates and full tooty defence by the West?

They are actually over represented per head of population compared to non Aboriginal Australians. ::)

And Shyster many of those non Aboriginal Australians aren't white & they're migrants.

You're just a virtue signaling shyster.

issuevoter wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 8:23am:

Of course, the government does not want to specify the make up and powers of the Voice before the referendum. The more they specify, the less palatable a change to the Constitution becomes to the public. That's a historical no-brainer. KISS Principle. Keep it simple, stupid. Yes or No, Do you feel sorry the Aboriginals. YES? Oh . . . look what got slipped in while you were feeling sorry.

The problem is, not many people feel sorry for the indigenous, anymore. They have had decades to turn their lives around. Many indigenous Australians have turned their lives around compared to 30 years ago. Others, still dragging their feet with their responsibilities, have not gotten very far in terms of adopting acceptable standards.

I would not feel sorry for those indigenous Australians who have improved their lives considerably in the last 30 years. I would be proud of them. And I would not feel sorry at all for those that have not improved their lives. In either scenario, there is no need for a Voice to Parliament.

Aussie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 8:06am:

Skynews rubbish.  Nothing in that where anything lost is explained.  Just Andrew Bolt text delivered in Andrew Bolt style by a blonde bimbo.

Hardly Sky News rubbish.  Forget your ad homs on the presenter and Andrew Bolt and listen to what Mayo is saying..... Demanding compensation from white Australians, demanding a say in government legislation, talking about punishing any politician who opposes these demands.....  Mao is one of the key players in the 'voice' and has the ear of the PM... tell us again how we will not be disadvantaged. ::)

Aussie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 8:06am:

Skynews rubbish.  Nothing in that where anything lost is explained.  Just Andrew Bolt text delivered in Andrew Bolt style by a blonde bimbo.

Hardly Sky News rubbish.  Forget your ad homs on the presenter and Andrew Bolt and listen to what Mayo is saying..... Demanding compensation from white Australians, demanding a say in government legislation, talking about punishing any politician who opposes these demands.....  Mayo is one of the key players in the 'voice' and has the ear of the PM... tell us again how we have nothing to lose. ::)

Belgarion wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 10:27am:

Aussie wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 8:06am: Skynews rubbish.  Nothing in that where anything lost is explained.  Just Andrew Bolt text delivered in Andrew Bolt style by a blonde bimbo. Hardly Sky News rubbish.  Forget your ad homs on the presenter and Andrew Bolt and listen to what Mayo is saying..... Demanding compensation from white Australians, demanding a say in government legislation, talking about punishing any politician who opposes these demands.....  Mayo is one of the key players in the 'voice' and has the ear of the PM... tell us again how we have nothing to lose. ::)

I don't give a flying bugger what Mayo is saying.  It is crap.

There can be demands for compensation, calls to punish politicians etc right now and no-one takes any notice of stupidity.

The Voice does not change that.

Hold the Mayo.

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Aussie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 12:12pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 10:27am: Aussie wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 8:06am: Skynews rubbish.  Nothing in that where anything lost is explained.  Just Andrew Bolt text delivered in Andrew Bolt style by a blonde bimbo. Hardly Sky News rubbish.  Forget your ad homs on the presenter and Andrew Bolt and listen to what Mayo is saying..... Demanding compensation from white Australians, demanding a say in government legislation, talking about punishing any politician who opposes these demands.....  Mayo is one of the key players in the 'voice' and has the ear of the PM... tell us again how we have nothing to lose. ::) I don't give a flying bugger what Mayo is saying.  It is crap. There can be demands for compensation, calls to punish politicians etc right now and no-one takes any notice of stupidity. The Voice does not change that.

You may not give a flying bugger what Mayo is saying, but the PM certainly does, and it's Mayo and those with a similar agenda who will make up this voice. So tell us again how we have nothing to lose.  ::)

It does not matter who is on The Voice, including noisy Mayos.  The Voice has no compulsive power, nada, nothing.

It will sit in a corner of Parliament House and can demand to get hold of your Super....demand payment of rent/reparations.......whatever........and be ignored.

What part of that do you NOT understand?

Aussie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 2:39pm:

It does not matter who is on The Voice, including noisy Mayos.  The Voice has no compulsive power, nada, nothing. It will sit in a corner of Parliament House and can demand to get hold of your Super....demand payment of rent/reparations.......whatever........and be ignored. What part of that do you NOT understand?

It is wrong in principle and it's wrong in practice.
Otherwise ok.

Frank wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 2:49pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 2:39pm: It does not matter who is on The Voice, including noisy Mayos.  The Voice has no compulsive power, nada, nothing. It will sit in a corner of Parliament House and can demand to get hold of your Super....demand payment of rent/reparations.......whatever........and be ignored. What part of that do you NOT understand? It is wrong in principle and it's wrong in practice. Otherwise ok.

Because you say so...despite having no basis for saying so.  Roight, I get it Frank...you've convinced me.

:D

Aussie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 2:39pm:

It does not matter who is on The Voice, including noisy Mayos.  The Voice has no compulsive power, nada, nothing. It will sit in a corner of Parliament House and can demand to get hold of your Super....demand payment of rent/reparations.......whatever........and be ignored. What part of that do you NOT understand?

Because you say so...despite having no basis for saying so.  Roight, I get it Arssie...you've convinced me.

:D

Aussie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 2:39pm:

It does not matter who is on The Voice, including noisy Mayos.  The Voice has no compulsive power, nada, nothing. It will sit in a corner of Parliament House and can demand to get hold of your Super....demand payment of rent/reparations.......whatever........and be ignored. What part of that do you NOT understand?

What part of the agenda espoused by Mayo and his ilk don't you understand? You really think that this will be a powerless body that will be ignored?  Your naivete is manifest.  ::)

Belgarion wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 4:12pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 2:39pm: It does not matter who is on The Voice, including noisy Mayos.  The Voice has no compulsive power, nada, nothing. It will sit in a corner of Parliament House and can demand to get hold of your Super....demand payment of rent/reparations.......whatever........and be ignored. What part of that do you NOT understand? What part of the agenda espoused by Mayo and his ilk don't you understand? You really think that this will be a powerless body that will be ignored?  Your naivete is manifest.  ::)

I 'understand' all the crap 'Mayo and his ilk' have muttered, but it is all off the Planet 'shoot for the Moon' garbage.  Just bullshit, and if you ever took the time to read what Dreyfus said in his speech during the second reading of the Bill, you'd know exactly how impotent The Voice is, and how irrelevant Mayo et al are.

The Voice is NOT the Abos lift to Nirvana, the pot of gold at rainbow's end.  (Even that Blak moron Lydia is well aware of that and for that reason, she opposes it.)

It is just a nod to a request they made to be able to select Reps to go sit in a corner of Parliament House, call themselves The Voice, have wet dreams or dry humps, and send up smoke signals of what they reckon. 

All smoke.....and can be ignored by Parliament, Government and the Executive.

Is there any of that you dispute.  If so, explain yourself.

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It is just a nod to a request they made to be able to select Reps to go sit in a corner of Parliament House, call themselves The Voice, have wet dreams or dry humps, and send up smoke signals of what they reckon.

Sounds like they have representatives already doing that for them at state and federal level. "Wet dreams or dry humps" and all...

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 4:30pm:

Quote: It is just a nod to a request they made to be able to select Reps to go sit in a corner of Parliament House, call themselves The Voice, have wet dreams or dry humps, and send up smoke signals of what they reckon. Sounds like they have representatives already doing that for them at state and federal level. "Wet dreams or dry humps" and all...

Is there anything I said you want to dispute?

Aussie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 4:25pm:

All smoke.....and can be ignored by Parliament, Government and the Executive.

True, but fixing Burney's four identified areas of concern (at her National Press Club address today) - housing, education, jobs and health - will require government funding.  That's what really terrifies Dutton.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 4:47pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 4:25pm: All smoke.....and can be ignored by Parliament, Government and the Executive. True, but fixing Burnie's four identified areas of concern (at her National Press Club address today) - housing, education, jobs and health - will require government funding.  That's what terrifies Dutton.

Nothing to do with The Voice.  All that requires attention whether The Voice exists or not.

That 'gap' exists (fact) and there is no reason it ought not be addressed, irrespective of The Voice.

Aussie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 4:50pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 4:47pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 4:25pm: All smoke.....and can be ignored by Parliament, Government and the Executive. True, but fixing Burnie's four identified areas of concern (at her National Press Club address today) - housing, education, jobs and health - will require government funding.  That's what terrifies Dutton. Nothing to do with The Voice.  All that requires attention whether The Voice exists or not.

Yet the proponents of the voice are saying the voice will assist in closing the gap, therefore voice has everything to dowith closing the gap. Indeed, the Nats rejected the voice because it doesn't say HOW it will close the gap.   


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That 'gap' exists (fact) and there is no reason it ought not be addressed, irrespective of The Voice.

Correct; but because all previous efforts to close the gap have failed, the Yes voters are hoping the voice will magically change things - it won't, because fixing 'housing, education, jobs, and health' requires extra funding from government.

Heck - (apart from education which is compulsory) the government can't even fix those things for all the non-black population.

no is probably going to win

i assumed otherwise when this was first proposed

seems most people are not interested in this highly bureaucratic and confusing proposal

JC Denton wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 5:25pm:

no is probably going to win i assumed otherwise when this was first proposed seems most people are not interested in this highly bureaucratic and confusing proposal

Correct, but because all previous efforts to close the gap have failed, the Yes voters are hoping the voice will magically change things - it won't, because fixing 'housing, education, jobs, and health' requires extra funding from government.

Problem is most people want to close the gap; yet (apart from education which is compulsory) the government can't even fix those things for all the non-black population.

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Yet the proponents of the voice are saying the voice will assist in closing the gap, therefore voice has everything to dowith closing the gap.

The proponents, especially the Minister, have to face a barrage of questions coming from many angles. She has to mouth something, even if it is fluff.

Bottom line is...The Voice is a Constitutional recognition and allows the Abos to select Reps to go sit in a corner and have a talk fest.  If they are happy with that (and they should be because they asked for it).....who are we to stand in the way?

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 5:30pm:

JC Denton wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 5:25pm: no is probably going to win i assumed otherwise when this was first proposed seems most people are not interested in this highly bureaucratic and confusing proposal Correct, but because all previous efforts to close the gap have failed, the Yes voters are hoping the voice will magically change things - it won't, because fixing 'housing, education, jobs, and health' requires extra funding from government. Problem is most people want to close the gap; yet (apart from education which is compulsory) the government can't even fix those things for all the non-black population.

i know a sure fire way to close the gap ;)

Aussie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 5:31pm:

Quote: Yet the proponents of the voice are saying the voice will assist in closing the gap, therefore voice has everything to dowith closing the gap. The proponents, especially the Minister, have to face a barrage of questions coming from many angles. She has to mouth something, even if it is fluff.

Saying the nation needs to fix 'housing, education, jobs, and health' is NOT "fluff".


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Bottom line is...The Voice is a Constitutional recognition and allows the Abos to select Reps to go sit in a corner and have a talk fest.

...in the hope that the voice will show the  government how to  fix the above-mentioned (black) calamities.


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If they are happy with that (and they should be because they asked for it).....who are we to stand in the way?

No they won't be happy with it, even if they get it, because the voice won't create the funding to fix 'housing, education, jobs, and health', in the absence of a fundamental change in the current monetary system which pits taxpayers against taxpayers, while Lowe - who insists he did not fund government during the Covid shut- downs (he should have) is practising his gruesome  neoclassical economics, and ruining the lives of people who bought overpriced housing based on his wrong narrative re future interest rates. 

JC Denton wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 5:42pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 5:30pm: JC Denton wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 5:25pm: no is probably going to win i assumed otherwise when this was first proposed seems most people are not interested in this highly bureaucratic and confusing proposal Correct, but because all previous efforts to close the gap have failed, the Yes voters are hoping the voice will magically change things - it won't, because fixing 'housing, education, jobs, and health' requires extra funding from government. Problem is most people want to close the gap; yet (apart from education which is compulsory) the government can't even fix those things for all the non-black population. i know a sure fire way to close the gap ;)

Don't be shy - you could become famous....

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 5^th, 2023 at 5:48pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 5th, 2023 at 5:31pm: Quote: Yet the proponents of the voice are saying the voice will assist in closing the gap, therefore voice has everything to dowith closing the gap. The proponents, especially the Minister, have to face a barrage of questions coming from many angles. She has to mouth something, even if it is fluff. Saying the nation needs to fix 'housing, education, jobs, and health' is NOT "fluff". [quote]Bottom line is...The Voice is a Constitutional recognition and allows the Abos to select Reps to go sit in a corner and have a talk fest.

...in the hope that the voice will show the  government how to  fix the above-mentioned (black) calamities.


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If they are happy with that (and they should be because they asked for it).....who are we to stand in the way?

No they won't be happy with it, even if they get it, because the voice won't create the funding to fix 'housing, education, jobs, and health', in the absence of a fundamental change in the current monetary system which pits taxpayers against taxpayers, while Lowe - who insists he did not fund government during the Covid shut- downs (he should have) is practising his gruesome  neoclassical economics, and ruining the lives of people who bought overpriced housing based on his wrong narrative re future interest rates. 

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Well....it was asked for and it is being proposed.  Whether it works.......well..........nothing lost in the attempt.