Lies - Damned Lies

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The claim
A regularly repeated claim in public debate is that Indigenous Australians were covered by a flora and fauna act, which did not classify them as human beings, and that this only changed when the constitution was amended following the 1967 referendum.

For at least the past 10 years, academics, media commentators and Aboriginal people, including an Indigenous MP, have claimed this to be true.


The verdict
Ms Clanton's claim is a myth.

Aboriginal people in Australia have never been covered by a flora and fauna act, either under federal or state law.

But despite several attempts by various people to set the record straight, the myth continues to circulate, perhaps because, as one academic told Fact Check, it "embodies elements of a deeper truth about discrimination".

Although the claim has been repeated more frequently during the past 10 years, there is evidence to suggest the myth originated in the early 1970s.

Both an expert consulted by Fact Check and a museum website in Western Australia suggest several factors have given rise to the notion that a flora and fauna act once existed.

Such factors include the existence at one time or another of government departments and historical reports with titles that bring together the words "flora", "fauna" and "Aboriginal".

Also, a widespread and energetic campaign for a yes vote in the 1967 referendum played a crucial role in setting the conditions for the myth to emerge.

Experts told Fact Check that the referendum involved "dry" technical amendments to the constitution relating to Indigenous Australians.

As these were difficult to explain in a campaign-friendly way, campaigners for a yes vote instead pushed the idea of equal rights and justice for Aboriginal people.

The hugely successful referendum was thereby imbued with a symbolism that further enriched the conditions for the myth to take root; that before the constitution was amended, Indigenous Australians were classified according to a flora and fauna act — a completely incorrect conclusion.

Who else has made this claim?
In the 1960s, a civil rights organisation known as the Federal Council for the Advancement of Aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders campaigned for Indigenous peoples' welfare and lobbied in favour of the 1967 referendum.

Professor Marcia Langton, one of Australia's most respected Indigenous academics, told Fact Check that the so-called flora and fauna act was first mentioned by pioneer Aboriginal filmmaker Lester Bostock during a council meeting in Canberra in the 1970s.
"Lester Bostock (now deceased) gave a regular speech about how we were classified under the 'flora and fauna act'," Professor Langton wrote in an email.

"I thought at the time, and so did many others, that he meant this in a metaphorical way. I had no idea that this would grow into the urban myth that it is today."

However, she added: "We were not classified under the 'flora and fauna act' but we were treated as animals."

Since the 1970s, the claim has been repeated many times.

On becoming the first Indigenous member of the NSW Parliament, Linda Burney said in her maiden speech on May 6, 2003: "For the first 10 years of my life, like all Indigenous people at that time, I was not a citizen of this country. We existed under the flora and fauna act of New South Wales."

Media outlets, bloggers, entertainers, and others have helped perpetuate the myth.

In 2013, comedian Charlie Pickering wrote in an opinion article published by Mamamia: "I know that until the 1967 referendum altered our constitution to include all Australians as enfranchised citizens, our first peoples were regulated by the flora and fauna act."

Academics and Aboriginal public figures, such as Sol Bellear, have also made the claim.

But, in 2017, Aboriginal artist Vernon Ah Kee told the ABC that it was only in jest that a 'flora and fauna act' was mentioned by Aboriginal people.

"Blackfellas jokingly say that we weren't considered people so we must be part of the flora and fauna act, but that's not even true. The fact is that we didn't exist at all."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-20/fact-check-flora-and-fauna-1967-referendum/9550650

Of course it is all lies. Wilfu, deliberate lies.


The Uluru statement is militant. It offers no sentence of respect or gratitude to the Australian people. Yet it is hailed by Albanese as warm hearted and generous. He even announced in a memorial lecture in Adelaide recently that it was an invitation extended “to every single Australian in love and grace and patience”.

A disciple of Bruce Pascoe, Albanese admires his nonsensical Dark Emu theory. Pascoe believes Aboriginal Australia was the first real democracy in the world and for 80,000 years a haven of peace and prosperity. Albanese believes this utopia – in fact, it never existed – can in some ways be honoured if Indigenous people are compensated with special powers and rights.

Parliament in its recent debate did nothing to validate the Uluru accusation that mainstream Australians had refused for generations even to count Aboriginal people. In fact, these proud people were being counted before any one of us was born.

We can appreciate the sense of hurt in young, politically active Aboriginal people when they hear the myth that they, their parents and grandparents had not been deemed worthy of being counted in a census. More insulting, the young are led to believe that the sheep had been counted regularly – as undoubtedly they were – but not the Aboriginal people.

In parliament last month Tanya Plibersek mistakenly announced, in an otherwise informative address, that in 1901 the “Aboriginal people weren’t counted in the census or commonly allowed to vote”. Her ministerial colleague Catherine King told parliament that Aboriginal people – in the words of one informant – were powerless “simply because we were never identified as humans”. That can’t be true.

Linda Burney, born in a small Riverina township, is deservedly praised for making her way from a humble Aboriginal home to become a cabinet minister in Sydney and now in Canberra. But she has mistakenly insisted that as a young girl she was never in a census. “The notion that you weren’t worthy of being counted was very painful,” she exclaimed in July 2017. She once misinformed parliament that until the age of 10 she was not even a citizen. Instead, she claimed she was merely ranked under “the flora and fauna act” of NSW. Such a policy did not exist.

The first census to be conducted by commonwealth officers was in 1911, and the federal attorney-general instructed them to count “full-blood Aboriginals”. Understand­ably, the officers had to retreat when they reached remote areas where local inhabitants had seen no white person or heard a word of English. But tens of thousands of Aboriginal people were actually counted, often with enormous effort, in the accessible regions.

For a logical but slightly complicated reason, they were not – after the actual counting – included in the final tally of population. For instance, in apportioning a share of the federal customs revenue to each state, the smallish Aboriginal populations were not “reckoned” when finalising the payments to each state. Helen Irving’s book To Constitute a Nation neatly explains the reasons and the practice.

Today, visitors to the National Museum in Canberra are informed that not until 1971 were “Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples counted in the Australian census”. On the contrary, they had been counted in every federal census since 1901, and counted moreover in the face of obstacles confronted by few other national statisticians. Thus the state officials then in charge of that 1901 census specifically counted them. They set up a special category that comprised “full blood Aboriginals” and those “nomadic half castes” who were living with them. In the five mainland states they totalled 41,389. An even larger number could not be counted, being nomadic and too far distant.

There were precise censuses even before 1901, thus contradicting Albanese and the Uluru leaders. For example, South Australia, holding a census on Sunday, April 2, 1871, recorded the exact districts and towns where more than 5000 Aboriginal men and women lived.

Eye-opening was the census held on the same Sunday in gold-rich Victoria, where 731,528 people of all races were counted. Conducted by Henry Hayter, the census commanded respect from leading overseas statisticians. The main results were in the hands of parliamentarians barely two months later – a feat that is unimaginable in the age of fast computers.

Of those Victorian officials who took part in the detailed census, 918 went on horseback and 650 on foot. They investigated remote townships, huts and tents where only one or two Aboriginal people could be found. That the tally of these people had fallen since Victoria’s previous census in 1861 was evident, and it would continue to fall.

Four out of every 10 of the Victorian Aboriginal men said they were following a paid occupation; and that was a higher proportion than can be found in many remote Aboriginal settlements today. In Victoria, two of every five Aboriginal children of school age could read but fewer could write. Five Aboriginal adults were recorded as blind, and seven were over the age of 70, according to the census teams.

Hayter was meticulous. In the big printed edition of the census report he added a minor correction to the tally of 61,000 “Chinese and Aborigines” who had been separately counted: please “take 1 from the males and add 1 to the females”. Generally, the Aboriginal populations had considerably more males than females.

Across the globe most people alive in 1871 had not yet been counted officially. It is therefore remarkable that Aboriginal people in various towns and regions of Australia were systematically counted.

Other of our censuses were held before 1871, the year Albanese’s own ancestral land of Italy held its first nationwide census. One generation later, in 1897, the initial census in Russia’s vast empire at last enumerated famous individuals such as Finnish composer Jean Sibelius and Russian writers Leo Tolstoy and Fyodor Dostoevsky.

Unfortunately, the allegation – “a people not worth counting” – is now endorsed by some of the biggest business houses, by the football leagues and even by universities that are world-ranked for their research.

The leaders at Uluru insisted that their people had been powerless for generations This lament is also far-fetched.

In stressing the “torment of our powerlessness”, they did not know that in the late 1850s, in the three populous Australian colonies, most Aboriginal men were allowed to vote. This was a momentous event: most of Europe’s tens of millions of men had not yet won the right to vote. Indeed, a forgotten man of Aboriginal and convict ancestry won the rural seat of Young in NSW in 1889.

Another landmark – unknown to Uluru – was a general election held in 1896 in South Australia. This was probably the first government in the world to allow women not only to vote but also to stand for parliament. New Zealand women already had the first right but not the second.

In this same 1896 election in South Australia, even more revolutionary was the sight of Aboriginal women attending the polling booth. Martin Luther King might well have shaken his head in surprise if he had known of it.

Just pause and ponder for one minute: South Australia’s innovation occurred when 99 per cent of the women in the world did not have a vote. In renowned cities such as Paris, Berlin, London, New York, St Petersburg, Tokyo and Beijing, not one woman had the privilege now exercised by female Aboriginal voters in South Australia. Five years later in the first federal election various Aboriginal women must have voted – an election in which no white woman in the four eastern states was entitled to vote. These triumphs contradict the Uluru manifesto.

Indigenous people hope to gain a major say in shaping a beneficial treaty with the Australian nation; they demand a truth-telling tribunal dominated by the Indigenous; and they call for the right at times to influence vital spheres such as foreign policy. They will also break the golden rule of democracy: one person, one vote.

Meanwhile, their cry of “powerlessness” is a kind of crocodile tear. In the past half-century Aboriginal groups have been handsomely recognised by their acquisition – under the Fraser and Keating governments – of ownership or certain rights and interests in 55 per cent of the Australian land mass. Few Australian voters know this fact. It constitutes one of the largest peaceful transfers of land in the history of the modern world.
Geoffrey Blainey
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/before-we-vote-on-indigenous-voice-to-parliament-lets-get-all-our-facts-in-order/news-story/a878a85d7a6eed0170fb399c71875058

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Yeah, yeah, lets rewrite history, hey?  Lets forget about the destruction  of Indigenous culture, lets forget about the destruction of Indigenous families, lets forget about Indigenous tribes and society, lets forget about the deliberate attempt to breed out Indigenous people, hey? What silly sausages you are, Matty and Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

A commenter:
For an excellent account of why the Voice is not the answer to Aboriginal disadvantage: Peter Sutton's account of Aboriginal politics from the 1970s on, The Politics of Suffering, applies the same unblinkered look at the successes and failures of Aboriginal policy that he applied to eviscerate the fictions of Dark Emu. The Politics of Suffering was endorsed by Marcia Langton and she wrote a forward for it. (She has apparently forgotten the lessons of Sutton's lucid analysis.) In this book Sutton observes that the situation of the most disadvantaged Aborigines has actually deteriorated under the progressive policies of the forty-year period he documents. Sutton reasons that reconciliation organised by the state cannot succeed, and that formalising the separation of Indigenous Australians will inevitably lead to disharmony in the Australian community. He points out that reconciliation can only be achieved at the individual level and that each Australian will arrive at that point at different times. Dividing Australians by race will perpetuate Aboriginal disadvantage by signalling their permanent victimhood. New generations of activists can never be satisfied by the manifest gains already achieved and will inevitably spend their efforts on the political rather than the practical relief of violence and suffering.



https://socialsciences.org.au/publications/peter-sutton-the-politics-of-suffering-indigenous-australia-and-the-end-of-the-liberal-consensus/

https://insidestory.org.au/driven-into-action/

https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2021/10/real-life-in-the-past-and-real-life-now/

A commenter:
For an excellent account of why the Voice is not the answer to Aboriginal disadvantage: Peter Sutton's account of Aboriginal politics from the 1970s on, The Politics of Suffering, applies the same unblinkered look at the successes and failures of Aboriginal policy that he applied to eviscerate the fictions of Dark Emu. The Politics of Suffering was endorsed by Marcia Langton and she wrote a forward for it. (She has apparently forgotten the lessons of Sutton's lucid analysis.) In this book Sutton observes that the situation of the most disadvantaged Aborigines has actually deteriorated under the progressive policies of the forty-year period he documents. Sutton reasons that reconciliation organised by the state cannot succeed, and that formalising the separation of Indigenous Australians will inevitably lead to disharmony in the Australian community. He points out that reconciliation can only be achieved at the individual level and that each Australian will arrive at that point at different times. Dividing Australians by race will perpetuate Aboriginal disadvantage by signalling their permanent victimhood. New generations of activists can never be satisfied by the manifest gains already achieved and will inevitably spend their efforts on the political rather than the practical relief of violence and suffering.



https://socialsciences.org.au/publications/peter-sutton-the-politics-of-suffering-indigenous-australia-and-the-end-of-the-liberal-consensus/

https://insidestory.org.au/driven-into-action/

https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2021/10/real-life-in-the-past-and-real-life-now/

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2023 at 4:47pm:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Yeah, yeah, lets rewrite history, hey?  Lets forget about the destruction  of Indigenous culture, lets forget about the destruction of Indigenous families, lets forget about Indigenous tribes and society, lets forget about the deliberate attempt to breed out Indigenous people, hey? What silly sausages you are, Matty and Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Lies - they were naked stone age cannibals that rape murder and eat babies


They ate babies up to 1990 and it still goes on I believe

In the Alice they still rape and murder babies - and dogs

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2023 at 4:47pm:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Yeah, yeah, lets rewrite history, hey?  Lets forget about the destruction  of Indigenous culture, lets forget about the destruction of Indigenous families, lets forget about Indigenous tribes and society, lets forget about the deliberate attempt to breed out Indigenous people, hey? What silly sausages you are, Matty and Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Which European culture has remained unchanged since the late 18th century, Bbwian?

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2023 at 4:47pm:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Yeah, yeah, lets rewrite history, hey?  Lets forget about the destruction  of Indigenous culture, lets forget about the destruction of Indigenous families, lets forget about Indigenous tribes and society, lets forget about the deliberate attempt to breed out Indigenous people, hey? What silly sausages you are, Matty and Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Get out of your guilt trip closet of the past you fool.

If reparations & compensation are to be endless then Australia should be claiming same from Great Britain.

In fact the Australian govt was still repaying GB for infrastructure projects until relatively recently.

Are you all for tearing it all down & everyone non Aboriginal migrating?

Be a few box tickers that would have to go as well.

Boris wrote on Jul 11^th, 2023 at 7:21am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 4:47pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Yeah, yeah, lets rewrite history, hey?  Lets forget about the destruction  of Indigenous culture, lets forget about the destruction of Indigenous families, lets forget about Indigenous tribes and society, lets forget about the deliberate attempt to breed out Indigenous people, hey? What silly sausages you are, Matty and Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Lies - they were naked stone age cannibals that rape murder and eat babies They ate babies up to 1990 and it still goes on I believe

Where is your evidence, Matty?  Surely someone would have recorded the deaths?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, there is none.  You are a Troll and you keep maintaining this lie, all without evidence.  Run along, back under your bridge, Troll, I can hear some goats approaching.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


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In the Alice they still rape and murder babies - and dogs

Yeah, yeah, again you never present any evidence.  Another old wives tale to keep the children hiding their heads under the blankets, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Jul 11^th, 2023 at 11:05am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 4:47pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Yeah, yeah, lets rewrite history, hey?  Lets forget about the destruction  of Indigenous culture, lets forget about the destruction of Indigenous families, lets forget about Indigenous tribes and society, lets forget about the deliberate attempt to breed out Indigenous people, hey? What silly sausages you are, Matty and Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Which European culture has remained unchanged since the late 18th century, Bbwian?

That is Europe's problem, Soren.  This is Australia.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2023 at 11:43am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 4:47pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Yeah, yeah, lets rewrite history, hey?  Lets forget about the destruction  of Indigenous culture, lets forget about the destruction of Indigenous families, lets forget about Indigenous tribes and society, lets forget about the deliberate attempt to breed out Indigenous people, hey? What silly sausages you are, Matty and Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Get out of your guilt trip closet of the past you fool. If reparations & compensation are to be endless then Australia should be claiming same from Great Britain. In fact the Australian govt was still repaying GB for infrastructure projects until relatively recently. Are you all for tearing it all down & everyone non Aboriginal migrating? Be a few box tickers that would have to go as well.

No, I am not interested in migration for non-Indigenous people from Australia.  That is a very Racist concept only a real Racist would think of.  I am in favour of all the Racists migrating and leaving Australia to the people who want to live together with the Indigenes.  Run along, I can hear your flight getting ready. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2023 at 2:28pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 11:05am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 4:47pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Yeah, yeah, lets rewrite history, hey?  Lets forget about the destruction  of Indigenous culture, lets forget about the destruction of Indigenous families, lets forget about Indigenous tribes and society, lets forget about the deliberate attempt to breed out Indigenous people, hey? What silly sausages you are, Matty and Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Which European culture has remained unchanged since the late 18th century, Bbwian? That is Europe's problem, Soren.  This is Australia.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

It is not Europe's 'problem', Doktor Wanker.  It illustrates that no culture is static, exempt from change, even drastic, violent change called history. It happens to all, including Abos, Europeans, everyone. Tsk, tsk  ::) ::)

As for 'deliberate attempt to breed out' : "The Indigenous population is projected to continue to grow at a much faster rate than the non-Indigenous population over at least the next 20 years. One explanation for this rapid growth is a high rate of mixed marriage partnerships with the children of these partnerships tending to be identified as Indigenous. In 2011, 56.5 per cent of partnered Indigenous males had a non-Indigenous partner, slightly lower than the corresponding figure of 59.0 per cent for Indigenous females. These percentages represent a steady increase from the previous 2006 Census, rising from 52.4 per cent and 55.5 per cent respectively. In some of our largest cities (like Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne, Adelaide, Newcastle and the Gold Coast), these rates exceed 75 per cent."
https://caepr.cass.anu.edu.au/research/publications/indigenous-and-non-indigenous-marriage-partnerships#:~:text=In%202011%2C%2056.5%20per%20cent,and%2055.5%20per%20cent%20respectively.

Most Abos aren't even half-casts.

Frank wrote on Jul 11^th, 2023 at 4:02pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 2:28pm: Frank wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 11:05am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 4:47pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Yeah, yeah, lets rewrite history, hey?  Lets forget about the destruction  of Indigenous culture, lets forget about the destruction of Indigenous families, lets forget about Indigenous tribes and society, lets forget about the deliberate attempt to breed out Indigenous people, hey? What silly sausages you are, Matty and Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Which European culture has remained unchanged since the late 18th century, Bbwian? That is Europe's problem, Soren.  This is Australia.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) It is not Europe's 'problem', Doktor Wanker.  It illustrates that no culture is static, exempt from change, even drastic, violent change called history. It happens to all, including Abos, Europeans, everyone. Tsk, tsk  ::) ::) As for 'deliberate attempt to breed out' : "The Indigenous population is projected to continue to grow at a much faster rate than the non-Indigenous population over at least the next 20 years. One explanation for this rapid growth is a high rate of mixed marriage partnerships with the children of these partnerships tending to be identified as Indigenous. In 2011, 56.5 per cent of partnered Indigenous males had a non-Indigenous partner, slightly lower than the corresponding figure of 59.0 per cent for Indigenous females. These percentages represent a steady increase from the previous 2006 Census, rising from 52.4 per cent and 55.5 per cent respectively. In some of our largest cities (like Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne, Adelaide, Newcastle and the Gold Coast), these rates exceed 75 per cent." https://caepr.cass.anu.edu.au/research/publications/indigenous-and-non-indigenous-marriage-partnerships#:~:text=In%202011%2C%2056.5%20per%20cent,and%2055.5%20per%20cent%20respectively. Most Abos aren't even half-casts.

Spoken like a true Racist, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Your emphasis is on the modern, today, when I am referring to the past.  The last efforts to breed out the Indigenous population were between the wars. "Breed out the colour..." is one analysis of the effort. Another is from your side of politics which of course makes it truer, now, doesn't?  Longtime Australian policy: Kidnapping children from families Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2023 at 5:53pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 4:02pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 2:28pm: Frank wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 11:05am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 4:47pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Yeah, yeah, lets rewrite history, hey?  Lets forget about the destruction  of Indigenous culture, lets forget about the destruction of Indigenous families, lets forget about Indigenous tribes and society, lets forget about the deliberate attempt to breed out Indigenous people, hey? What silly sausages you are, Matty and Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Which European culture has remained unchanged since the late 18th century, Bbwian? That is Europe's problem, Soren.  This is Australia.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) It is not Europe's 'problem', Doktor Wanker.  It illustrates that no culture is static, exempt from change, even drastic, violent change called history. It happens to all, including Abos, Europeans, everyone. Tsk, tsk  ::) ::) As for 'deliberate attempt to breed out' : "The Indigenous population is projected to continue to grow at a much faster rate than the non-Indigenous population over at least the next 20 years. One explanation for this rapid growth is a high rate of mixed marriage partnerships with the children of these partnerships tending to be identified as Indigenous. In 2011, 56.5 per cent of partnered Indigenous males had a non-Indigenous partner, slightly lower than the corresponding figure of 59.0 per cent for Indigenous females. These percentages represent a steady increase from the previous 2006 Census, rising from 52.4 per cent and 55.5 per cent respectively. In some of our largest cities (like Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne, Adelaide, Newcastle and the Gold Coast), these rates exceed 75 per cent." https://caepr.cass.anu.edu.au/research/publications/indigenous-and-non-indigenous-marriage-partnerships#:~:text=In%202011%2C%2056.5%20per%20cent,and%2055.5%20per%20cent%20respectively. Most Abos aren't even half-casts. Spoken like a true Racist, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Your emphasis is on the modern, today, when I am referring to the past.  The last efforts to breed out the Indigenous population were between the wars. "Breed out the colour..." is one analysis of the effort.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

We don't live in the past, Brian, how far back should we go?

Setanta wrote on Jul 11^th, 2023 at 5:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 5:53pm: Frank wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 4:02pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 2:28pm: Frank wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 11:05am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 4:47pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Yeah, yeah, lets rewrite history, hey?  Lets forget about the destruction  of Indigenous culture, lets forget about the destruction of Indigenous families, lets forget about Indigenous tribes and society, lets forget about the deliberate attempt to breed out Indigenous people, hey? What silly sausages you are, Matty and Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Which European culture has remained unchanged since the late 18th century, Bbwian? That is Europe's problem, Soren.  This is Australia.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) It is not Europe's 'problem', Doktor Wanker.  It illustrates that no culture is static, exempt from change, even drastic, violent change called history. It happens to all, including Abos, Europeans, everyone. Tsk, tsk  ::) ::) As for 'deliberate attempt to breed out' : "The Indigenous population is projected to continue to grow at a much faster rate than the non-Indigenous population over at least the next 20 years. One explanation for this rapid growth is a high rate of mixed marriage partnerships with the children of these partnerships tending to be identified as Indigenous. In 2011, 56.5 per cent of partnered Indigenous males had a non-Indigenous partner, slightly lower than the corresponding figure of 59.0 per cent for Indigenous females. These percentages represent a steady increase from the previous 2006 Census, rising from 52.4 per cent and 55.5 per cent respectively. In some of our largest cities (like Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne, Adelaide, Newcastle and the Gold Coast), these rates exceed 75 per cent." https://caepr.cass.anu.edu.au/research/publications/indigenous-and-non-indigenous-marriage-partnerships#:~:text=In%202011%2C%2056.5%20per%20cent,and%2055.5%20per%20cent%20respectively. Most Abos aren't even half-casts. Spoken like a true Racist, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Your emphasis is on the modern, today, when I am referring to the past.  The last efforts to breed out the Indigenous population were between the wars. "Breed out the colour..." is one analysis of the effort.  Another is from your side of politics which of course makes it truer, now, doesn't?  Longtime Australian policy: Kidnapping children from families  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) We don't live in the past, Brian, how far back should we go?

We should not ignore history, Setanta.  It informs us who we are and what we did to get where we are.  Only a fool ignores it at their peril, they end up like Soren...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2023 at 6:11pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 5:56pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 5:53pm: Frank wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 4:02pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 2:28pm: Frank wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 11:05am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 4:47pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Yeah, yeah, lets rewrite history, hey?  Lets forget about the destruction  of Indigenous culture, lets forget about the destruction of Indigenous families, lets forget about Indigenous tribes and society, lets forget about the deliberate attempt to breed out Indigenous people, hey? What silly sausages you are, Matty and Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Which European culture has remained unchanged since the late 18th century, Bbwian? That is Europe's problem, Soren.  This is Australia.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) It is not Europe's 'problem', Doktor Wanker.  It illustrates that no culture is static, exempt from change, even drastic, violent change called history. It happens to all, including Abos, Europeans, everyone. Tsk, tsk  ::) ::) As for 'deliberate attempt to breed out' : "The Indigenous population is projected to continue to grow at a much faster rate than the non-Indigenous population over at least the next 20 years. One explanation for this rapid growth is a high rate of mixed marriage partnerships with the children of these partnerships tending to be identified as Indigenous. In 2011, 56.5 per cent of partnered Indigenous males had a non-Indigenous partner, slightly lower than the corresponding figure of 59.0 per cent for Indigenous females. These percentages represent a steady increase from the previous 2006 Census, rising from 52.4 per cent and 55.5 per cent respectively. In some of our largest cities (like Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne, Adelaide, Newcastle and the Gold Coast), these rates exceed 75 per cent." https://caepr.cass.anu.edu.au/research/publications/indigenous-and-non-indigenous-marriage-partnerships#:~:text=In%202011%2C%2056.5%20per%20cent,and%2055.5%20per%20cent%20respectively. Most Abos aren't even half-casts. Spoken like a true Racist, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Your emphasis is on the modern, today, when I am referring to the past.  The last efforts to breed out the Indigenous population were between the wars. "Breed out the colour..." is one analysis of the effort.  Another is from your side of politics which of course makes it truer, now, doesn't?  Longtime Australian policy: Kidnapping children from families  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) We don't live in the past, Brian, how far back should we go? We should not ignore history, Setanta.  It informs us who we are and what we did to get where we are.  Only a fool ignores it at their peril, they end up like Soren...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

You didn't answer. How long should we look back?

Soren probably knows history better than you. You think you can stop it and go back in time. He at least understands time never stands still and every people on the planet has suffered the same throughout history, some worse than our indigenous.

We can only work from the present to the future, past grievances are an anchor and can never be salved if people don't let go and move on. It works the same in person relationships, it's human thing, whether group or individual. It's not good for either to dwell indefinitely on their grievances from the past, that is a recipe for a pus filled open ulcer.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2023 at 2:32pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 11:43am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 4:47pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Yeah, yeah, lets rewrite history, hey?  Lets forget about the destruction  of Indigenous culture, lets forget about the destruction of Indigenous families, lets forget about Indigenous tribes and society, lets forget about the deliberate attempt to breed out Indigenous people, hey? What silly sausages you are, Matty and Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Get out of your guilt trip closet of the past you fool. If reparations & compensation are to be endless then Australia should be claiming same from Great Britain. In fact the Australian govt was still repaying GB for infrastructure projects until relatively recently. Are you all for tearing it all down & everyone non Aboriginal migrating? Be a few box tickers that would have to go as well. No, I am not interested in migration for non-Indigenous people from Australia.  That is a very Racist concept only a real Racist would think of.  I am in favour of all the Racists migrating and leaving Australia to the people who want to live together with the Indigenes.  Run along, I can hear your flight getting ready. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

More rubbish ... idiot.

people have been living together with Aboriginals for centuries.

Only fools & radical malcontents are not happy with the current situation & the billions spent.

I hear your boat ticking over ... lost at sea would be a good result.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2023 at 5:53pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 4:02pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 2:28pm: Frank wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 11:05am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 4:47pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Yeah, yeah, lets rewrite history, hey?  Lets forget about the destruction  of Indigenous culture, lets forget about the destruction of Indigenous families, lets forget about Indigenous tribes and society, lets forget about the deliberate attempt to breed out Indigenous people, hey? What silly sausages you are, Matty and Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Which European culture has remained unchanged since the late 18th century, Bbwian? That is Europe's problem, Soren.  This is Australia.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) It is not Europe's 'problem', Doktor Wanker.  It illustrates that no culture is static, exempt from change, even drastic, violent change called history. It happens to all, including Abos, Europeans, everyone. Tsk, tsk  ::) ::) As for 'deliberate attempt to breed out' : "The Indigenous population is projected to continue to grow at a much faster rate than the non-Indigenous population over at least the next 20 years. One explanation for this rapid growth is a high rate of mixed marriage partnerships with the children of these partnerships tending to be identified as Indigenous. In 2011, 56.5 per cent of partnered Indigenous males had a non-Indigenous partner, slightly lower than the corresponding figure of 59.0 per cent for Indigenous females. These percentages represent a steady increase from the previous 2006 Census, rising from 52.4 per cent and 55.5 per cent respectively. In some of our largest cities (like Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne, Adelaide, Newcastle and the Gold Coast), these rates exceed 75 per cent." https://caepr.cass.anu.edu.au/research/publications/indigenous-and-non-indigenous-marriage-partnerships#:~:text=In%202011%2C%2056.5%20per%20cent,and%2055.5%20per%20cent%20respectively. Most Abos aren't even half-casts. Spoken like a true Racist, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Your emphasis is on the modern, today, when I am referring to the past.  The last efforts to breed out the Indigenous population were between the wars. "Breed out the colour..." is one analysis of the effort. Another is from your side of politics which of course makes it truer, now, doesn't?  Longtime Australian policy: Kidnapping children from families Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

So it's not OK to try(mythically) to breed Aboriginals out 150 years ago ....

but it's OK for them to breed themselves out in the last 60 years?

You're a complete idiot.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2023 at 5:53pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 4:02pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 2:28pm: Frank wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 11:05am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 4:47pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Yeah, yeah, lets rewrite history, hey?  Lets forget about the destruction  of Indigenous culture, lets forget about the destruction of Indigenous families, lets forget about Indigenous tribes and society, lets forget about the deliberate attempt to breed out Indigenous people, hey? What silly sausages you are, Matty and Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Which European culture has remained unchanged since the late 18th century, Bbwian? That is Europe's problem, Soren.  This is Australia.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) It is not Europe's 'problem', Doktor Wanker.  It illustrates that no culture is static, exempt from change, even drastic, violent change called history. It happens to all, including Abos, Europeans, everyone. Tsk, tsk  ::) ::) As for 'deliberate attempt to breed out' : "The Indigenous population is projected to continue to grow at a much faster rate than the non-Indigenous population over at least the next 20 years. One explanation for this rapid growth is a high rate of mixed marriage partnerships with the children of these partnerships tending to be identified as Indigenous. In 2011, 56.5 per cent of partnered Indigenous males had a non-Indigenous partner, slightly lower than the corresponding figure of 59.0 per cent for Indigenous females. These percentages represent a steady increase from the previous 2006 Census, rising from 52.4 per cent and 55.5 per cent respectively. In some of our largest cities (like Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne, Adelaide, Newcastle and the Gold Coast), these rates exceed 75 per cent." https://caepr.cass.anu.edu.au/research/publications/indigenous-and-non-indigenous-marriage-partnerships#:~:text=In%202011%2C%2056.5%20per%20cent,and%2055.5%20per%20cent%20respectively. Most Abos aren't even half-casts. Spoken like a true Racist, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Your emphasis is on the modern, today, when I am referring to the past.  The last efforts to breed out the Indigenous population were between the wars. "Breed out the colour..." is one analysis of the effort. Another is from your side of politics which of course makes it truer, now, doesn't?  Longtime Australian policy: Kidnapping children from families Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

I live now, front bottoms, not 150 years ago.

Setanta wrote on Jul 11^th, 2023 at 6:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 6:11pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 5:56pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 5:53pm: Frank wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 4:02pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 2:28pm: Frank wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 11:05am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 4:47pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Yeah, yeah, lets rewrite history, hey?  Lets forget about the destruction  of Indigenous culture, lets forget about the destruction of Indigenous families, lets forget about Indigenous tribes and society, lets forget about the deliberate attempt to breed out Indigenous people, hey? What silly sausages you are, Matty and Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Which European culture has remained unchanged since the late 18th century, Bbwian? That is Europe's problem, Soren.  This is Australia.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) It is not Europe's 'problem', Doktor Wanker.  It illustrates that no culture is static, exempt from change, even drastic, violent change called history. It happens to all, including Abos, Europeans, everyone. Tsk, tsk  ::) ::) As for 'deliberate attempt to breed out' : "The Indigenous population is projected to continue to grow at a much faster rate than the non-Indigenous population over at least the next 20 years. One explanation for this rapid growth is a high rate of mixed marriage partnerships with the children of these partnerships tending to be identified as Indigenous. In 2011, 56.5 per cent of partnered Indigenous males had a non-Indigenous partner, slightly lower than the corresponding figure of 59.0 per cent for Indigenous females. These percentages represent a steady increase from the previous 2006 Census, rising from 52.4 per cent and 55.5 per cent respectively. In some of our largest cities (like Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne, Adelaide, Newcastle and the Gold Coast), these rates exceed 75 per cent." https://caepr.cass.anu.edu.au/research/publications/indigenous-and-non-indigenous-marriage-partnerships#:~:text=In%202011%2C%2056.5%20per%20cent,and%2055.5%20per%20cent%20respectively. Most Abos aren't even half-casts. Spoken like a true Racist, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Your emphasis is on the modern, today, when I am referring to the past.  The last efforts to breed out the Indigenous population were between the wars. "Breed out the colour..." is one analysis of the effort.  Another is from your side of politics which of course makes it truer, now, doesn't?  Longtime Australian policy: Kidnapping children from families  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) We don't live in the past, Brian, how far back should we go? We should not ignore history, Setanta.  It informs us who we are and what we did to get where we are.  Only a fool ignores it at their peril, they end up like Soren...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) You didn't answer. How long should we look back?

As far back as necessary.  How long is a piece of string?  Ask Soren the same question...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


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Soren probably knows history better than you. You think you can stop it and go back in time. He at least understands time never stands still and every people on the planet has suffered the same throughout history, some worse than our indigenous.

Soren more often than not, stumbles over history all the time, Setenta.  Nothing to do with changing times, everything to do with past times, which he appears singularly ignorant of.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


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We can only work from the present to the future, past grievances are an anchor and can never be salved if people don't let go and move on. It works the same in person relationships, it's human thing, whether group or individual. It's not good for either to dwell indefinitely on their grievances from the past, that is a recipe for a pus filled open ulcer.

The past is what anchors us to the present.  It informs us who we are, what we have done and where we are going today.  Without history we are rudderless.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2023 at 6:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 2:32pm: Gnads wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 11:43am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 4:47pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Yeah, yeah, lets rewrite history, hey?  Lets forget about the destruction  of Indigenous culture, lets forget about the destruction of Indigenous families, lets forget about Indigenous tribes and society, lets forget about the deliberate attempt to breed out Indigenous people, hey? What silly sausages you are, Matty and Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Get out of your guilt trip closet of the past you fool. If reparations & compensation are to be endless then Australia should be claiming same from Great Britain. In fact the Australian govt was still repaying GB for infrastructure projects until relatively recently. Are you all for tearing it all down & everyone non Aboriginal migrating? Be a few box tickers that would have to go as well. No, I am not interested in migration for non-Indigenous people from Australia.  That is a very Racist concept only a real Racist would think of.  I am in favour of all the Racists migrating and leaving Australia to the people who want to live together with the Indigenes.  Run along, I can hear your flight getting ready. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) More rubbish ... idiot. people have been living together with Aboriginals for centuries.

When Indigenous Australians have been subjected and largely ignored, consigned to the history of the past, with the belief they were dying out.  All led by people like yourself.  You wouldn't even talk to an Indigenous Australia if one approached you on the street, you'd cross the street to avoid them.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Pre-1788 Aboriginal culture is dead, just as pre-1789 French culture, pre 1917 Russian culture, pre1989 East German culture, pre1066 Anglo culture, etc, etc.

Abos are are deluded - speaking Marxist social science theory in English about how Stone Age superstition lived, lives and will live like Lenin.

There is absolutely nothing authentic about Aborigunal agitation, it is all borrowed, grafted, fabricated. Even the Uluru Statement is a borrowed/plagiarised piece of nonsense.

Frank wrote on Jul 11^th, 2023 at 9:08pm:

Pre-1788 Aboriginal culture is dead, just as pre-1789 French culture, pre 1917 Russian culture, pre1989 East German culture, pre1066 Anglo culture, etc, etc. Abos are are deluded - speaking Marxist social science theory in English about how Stone Age superstition lived, lives and will live like Lenin. There is absolutely nothing authentic about Aborigunal agitation, it is all borrowed, grafted, fabricated. Even the Uluru Statement is a borrowed/plagiarised piece of nonsense.

Do tell?

Aussie wrote on Jul 11^th, 2023 at 9:30pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 9:08pm: Pre-1788 Aboriginal culture is dead, just as pre-1789 French culture, pre 1917 Russian culture, pre1989 East German culture, pre1066 Anglo culture, etc, etc. Abos are are deluded - speaking Marxist social science theory in English about how Stone Age superstition lived, lives and will live like Lenin. There is absolutely nothing authentic about Aborigunal agitation, it is all borrowed, grafted, fabricated. Even the Uluru Statement is a borrowed/plagiarised piece of nonsense. Do tell?

Here fool

According to Legal Affairs Contributor at the Australian Chris Merritt, the Uluru statement may have been “plugged in and imported” from the Republic of Zaire. “The core of the Uluru statement is … assertion about sovereignty … and that idea took off, Mr Merritt told Sky News host Peta Credlin.3 Mar 2023

Uluru statement ‘plugged in and imported’ from the Republic of Zaire
March 03, 2023 - 7:54PM
According to Legal Affairs Contributor at the Australian Chris Merritt, the Uluru statement may have been “plugged in and imported” from the Republic of Zaire.

“The core of the Uluru statement is … assertion about sovereignty … and that idea took off, Mr Merritt told Sky News host Peta Credlin.
“It’s been presented to the pope, its been endorsed by the Labor party, it’s being taught in some schools, but when you look at it … it didn’t come out of Uluru originally.

“It came out of a judgement of the International Court of Justice that was put forward by the representative of the Republic of Zaire.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCPwshnf9H8

Frank wrote on Jul 11^th, 2023 at 7:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 5:53pm: Frank wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 4:02pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 2:28pm: Frank wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 11:05am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 4:47pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Yeah, yeah, lets rewrite history, hey?  Lets forget about the destruction  of Indigenous culture, lets forget about the destruction of Indigenous families, lets forget about Indigenous tribes and society, lets forget about the deliberate attempt to breed out Indigenous people, hey? What silly sausages you are, Matty and Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Which European culture has remained unchanged since the late 18th century, Bbwian? That is Europe's problem, Soren.  This is Australia.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) It is not Europe's 'problem', Doktor Wanker.  It illustrates that no culture is static, exempt from change, even drastic, violent change called history. It happens to all, including Abos, Europeans, everyone. Tsk, tsk  ::) ::) As for 'deliberate attempt to breed out' : "The Indigenous population is projected to continue to grow at a much faster rate than the non-Indigenous population over at least the next 20 years. One explanation for this rapid growth is a high rate of mixed marriage partnerships with the children of these partnerships tending to be identified as Indigenous. In 2011, 56.5 per cent of partnered Indigenous males had a non-Indigenous partner, slightly lower than the corresponding figure of 59.0 per cent for Indigenous females. These percentages represent a steady increase from the previous 2006 Census, rising from 52.4 per cent and 55.5 per cent respectively. In some of our largest cities (like Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne, Adelaide, Newcastle and the Gold Coast), these rates exceed 75 per cent." https://caepr.cass.anu.edu.au/research/publications/indigenous-and-non-indigenous-marriage-partnerships#:~:text=In%202011%2C%2056.5%20per%20cent,and%2055.5%20per%20cent%20respectively. Most Abos aren't even half-casts. Spoken like a true Racist, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Your emphasis is on the modern, today, when I am referring to the past.  The last efforts to breed out the Indigenous population were between the wars. "Breed out the colour..." is one analysis of the effort. Another is from your side of politics which of course makes it truer, now, doesn't?  Longtime Australian policy: Kidnapping children from families Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) I live now, front bottoms, not 150 years ago.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, who was talking 150 years ago, Soren, except you who has no knowledge or understanding of Australian history.  Go and read the two articles I posted links to before commenting again.  Otherwise you'll just continue to look a fool.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Boris wrote on Jul 11^th, 2023 at 10:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 9:30pm: Frank wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 9:08pm: Pre-1788 Aboriginal culture is dead, just as pre-1789 French culture, pre 1917 Russian culture, pre1989 East German culture, pre1066 Anglo culture, etc, etc. Abos are are deluded - speaking Marxist social science theory in English about how Stone Age superstition lived, lives and will live like Lenin. There is absolutely nothing authentic about Aborigunal agitation, it is all borrowed, grafted, fabricated. Even the Uluru Statement is a borrowed/plagiarised piece of nonsense. Do tell? Here fool According to Legal Affairs Contributor at the Australian Chris Merritt, the Uluru statement may have been “plugged in and imported” from the Republic of Zaire. “The core of the Uluru statement is … assertion about sovereignty … and that idea took off, Mr Merritt told Sky News host Peta Credlin.3 Mar 2023 Uluru statement ‘plugged in and imported’ from the Republic of Zaire March 03, 2023 - 7:54PM According to Legal Affairs Contributor at the Australian Chris Merritt, the Uluru statement may have been “plugged in and imported” from the Republic of Zaire. “The core of the Uluru statement is … assertion about sovereignty … and that idea took off, Mr Merritt told Sky News host Peta Credlin. “It’s been presented to the pope, its been endorsed by the Labor party, it’s being taught in some schools, but when you look at it … it didn’t come out of Uluru originally. “It came out of a judgement of the International Court of Justice that was put forward by the representative of the Republic of Zaire.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCPwshnf9H8

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif

Yeah, yeah, sure, Matty, sure.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

I did not hit you.  My people did many terrible things to your people - your people did many terrible things to my people.  Those of my people who wish to continue this war now want to change sides and continue to do terrible things. I do not wish to live in this war now. 

- The Railway Man (sort of).... The Grappler Man ......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_dsJF8rnSM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cITytTokhtk

I think it took about my third viewing of this fine film to actually hear what the Japanese interpreter was saying - I'm rather deaf you see and sometimes scarcely notice - and one of my great sadnesses is that it was Kevin Rudd who did a smarmy apology, and not some genuine from the heart person such as that Japanese man, though even so, the apology would have fallen on deaf ears still intent on living in this war.

I thought Brian was a preacher man - clearly he has very little spirit to teach........ his words do not come from the heart, and neither do the words of too many others .....

Not only, but also:-

https://whisperinggums.com/2014/01/20/forgiveness-or-revenge-love-or-hatred/

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2023 at 5:53pm:

Your emphasis is on the modern, today, when I am referring to the past.  The last efforts to breed out the Indigenous population were between the wars. "Breed out the colour..." is one analysis of the effort. Another is from your side of politics which of course makes it truer, now, doesn't?  Longtime Australian policy: Kidnapping children from families Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Tendentious, breathless bollocks.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2023 at 8:46pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 6:35pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 2:32pm: Gnads wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 11:43am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 4:47pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Yeah, yeah, lets rewrite history, hey?  Lets forget about the destruction  of Indigenous culture, lets forget about the destruction of Indigenous families, lets forget about Indigenous tribes and society, lets forget about the deliberate attempt to breed out Indigenous people, hey? What silly sausages you are, Matty and Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Get out of your guilt trip closet of the past you fool. If reparations & compensation are to be endless then Australia should be claiming same from Great Britain. In fact the Australian govt was still repaying GB for infrastructure projects until relatively recently. Are you all for tearing it all down & everyone non Aboriginal migrating? Be a few box tickers that would have to go as well. No, I am not interested in migration for non-Indigenous people from Australia.  That is a very Racist concept only a real Racist would think of.  I am in favour of all the Racists migrating and leaving Australia to the people who want to live together with the Indigenes.  Run along, I can hear your flight getting ready. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) More rubbish ... idiot. people have been living together with Aboriginals for centuries. When Indigenous Australians have been subjected and largely ignored, consigned to the history of the past, with the belief they were dying out.  All led by people like yourself.  You wouldn't even talk to an Indigenous Australia if one approached you on the street, you'd cross the street to avoid them.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

What assumptive bullshyte.

I don't cross the street to avoid talking to any stranger.

If I am greeted with a g'day I return it... no matter who.

If I'm approached simply as a target for humbugging/begging by an Aboriginal or non-Aboriginal I refuse the request.

You're a delusionary old tosser.

Frank wrote on Jul 12^th, 2023 at 10:33am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 5:53pm: Your emphasis is on the modern, today, when I am referring to the past.  The last efforts to breed out the Indigenous population were between the wars. "Breed out the colour..." is one analysis of the effort. Another is from your side of politics which of course makes it truer, now, doesn't?  Longtime Australian policy: Kidnapping children from families Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Tendentious, breathless bollocks.

I accept your white flag, Soren.  You have lost this debate purely because of your wilful ignorance.  You prove your immigrant credentials.  Time to educate yourself about Australian history and it's past treatment of the Indigenes.  I will gladly teach you if you'll be willing to sit down and learn.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Gnads wrote on Jul 12^th, 2023 at 10:42am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 8:46pm: Gnads wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 6:35pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 2:32pm: Gnads wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 11:43am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 4:47pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Yeah, yeah, lets rewrite history, hey?  Lets forget about the destruction  of Indigenous culture, lets forget about the destruction of Indigenous families, lets forget about Indigenous tribes and society, lets forget about the deliberate attempt to breed out Indigenous people, hey? What silly sausages you are, Matty and Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Get out of your guilt trip closet of the past you fool. If reparations & compensation are to be endless then Australia should be claiming same from Great Britain. In fact the Australian govt was still repaying GB for infrastructure projects until relatively recently. Are you all for tearing it all down & everyone non Aboriginal migrating? Be a few box tickers that would have to go as well. No, I am not interested in migration for non-Indigenous people from Australia.  That is a very Racist concept only a real Racist would think of.  I am in favour of all the Racists migrating and leaving Australia to the people who want to live together with the Indigenes.  Run along, I can hear your flight getting ready. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) More rubbish ... idiot. people have been living together with Aboriginals for centuries. When Indigenous Australians have been subjected and largely ignored, consigned to the history of the past, with the belief they were dying out.  All led by people like yourself.  You wouldn't even talk to an Indigenous Australia if one approached you on the street, you'd cross the street to avoid them.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) What assumptive bullshyte. I don't cross the street to avoid talking to any stranger. If I am greeted with a g'day I return it... no matter who. If I'm approached simply as a target for humbugging/begging by an Aboriginal or non-Aboriginal I refuse the request. You're a delusionary old tosser.

You prove my case for me, Gnads.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2023 at 12:38pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 12th, 2023 at 10:33am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 5:53pm: Your emphasis is on the modern, today, when I am referring to the past.  The last efforts to breed out the Indigenous population were between the wars. "Breed out the colour..." is one analysis of the effort. Another is from your side of politics which of course makes it truer, now, doesn't?  Longtime Australian policy: Kidnapping children from families Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Tendentious, breathless bollocks. I accept your white flag, Soren.  You have lost this debate purely because of your wilful ignorance.  You prove your immigrant credentials.  Time to educate yourself about Australian history and it's past treatment of the Indigenes.  I will gladly teach you if you'll be willing to sit down and learn.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

:D :D You are willing to teach me sociology??  History?? Political 'science'? Credentialism?? Preening vanity?  ;D ;D

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2023 at 12:40pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 12th, 2023 at 10:42am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 8:46pm: Gnads wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 6:35pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 2:32pm: Gnads wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 11:43am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 4:47pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Yeah, yeah, lets rewrite history, hey?  Lets forget about the destruction  of Indigenous culture, lets forget about the destruction of Indigenous families, lets forget about Indigenous tribes and society, lets forget about the deliberate attempt to breed out Indigenous people, hey? What silly sausages you are, Matty and Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Get out of your guilt trip closet of the past you fool. If reparations & compensation are to be endless then Australia should be claiming same from Great Britain. In fact the Australian govt was still repaying GB for infrastructure projects until relatively recently. Are you all for tearing it all down & everyone non Aboriginal migrating? Be a few box tickers that would have to go as well. No, I am not interested in migration for non-Indigenous people from Australia.  That is a very Racist concept only a real Racist would think of.  I am in favour of all the Racists migrating and leaving Australia to the people who want to live together with the Indigenes.  Run along, I can hear your flight getting ready. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) More rubbish ... idiot. people have been living together with Aboriginals for centuries. When Indigenous Australians have been subjected and largely ignored, consigned to the history of the past, with the belief they were dying out.  All led by people like yourself.  You wouldn't even talk to an Indigenous Australia if one approached you on the street, you'd cross the street to avoid them.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) What assumptive bullshyte. I don't cross the street to avoid talking to any stranger. If I am greeted with a g'day I return it... no matter who. If I'm approached simply as a target for humbugging/begging by an Aboriginal or non-Aboriginal I refuse the request. You're a delusionary old tosser. You prove my case for me, Gnads.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

No ... you didn't have a case.

Frank wrote on Jul 12^th, 2023 at 12:48pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2023 at 12:38pm: Frank wrote on Jul 12th, 2023 at 10:33am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 5:53pm: Your emphasis is on the modern, today, when I am referring to the past.  The last efforts to breed out the Indigenous population were between the wars. "Breed out the colour..." is one analysis of the effort. Another is from your side of politics which of course makes it truer, now, doesn't?  Longtime Australian policy: Kidnapping children from families Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Tendentious, breathless bollocks. I accept your white flag, Soren.  You have lost this debate purely because of your wilful ignorance.  You prove your immigrant credentials.  Time to educate yourself about Australian history and it's past treatment of the Indigenes.  I will gladly teach you if you'll be willing to sit down and learn.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) :D :D You are willing to teach me sociology??  History?? Political 'science'? Credentialism?? Preening vanity?  ;D ;D

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I accept your white flag, Soren.  Time to admit you're a failure.

No, I am willing to teach you Australian history, the subject that you have shown your ignorance in, Soren.  Are you really this thick? Yes, it seems so.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2023 at 2:27pm:

Boris wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 7:21am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 4:47pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Yeah, yeah, lets rewrite history, hey?  Lets forget about the destruction  of Indigenous culture, lets forget about the destruction of Indigenous families, lets forget about Indigenous tribes and society, lets forget about the deliberate attempt to breed out Indigenous people, hey? What silly sausages you are, Matty and Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Lies - they were naked stone age cannibals that rape murder and eat babies They ate babies up to 1990 and it still goes on I believe Where is your evidence, Matty?  Surely someone would have recorded the deaths?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, there is none.  You are a Troll and you keep maintaining this lie, all without evidence.  Run along, back under your bridge, Troll, I can hear some goats approaching.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Quote: In the Alice they still rape and murder babies - and dogs Yeah, yeah, again you never present any evidence.  Another old wives tale to keep the children hiding their heads under the blankets, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

You don't care - you like it - happy about it

Boris wrote on Jul 14^th, 2023 at 4:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 2:27pm: Boris wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 7:21am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 4:47pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Yeah, yeah, lets rewrite history, hey?  Lets forget about the destruction  of Indigenous culture, lets forget about the destruction of Indigenous families, lets forget about Indigenous tribes and society, lets forget about the deliberate attempt to breed out Indigenous people, hey? What silly sausages you are, Matty and Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Lies - they were naked stone age cannibals that rape murder and eat babies They ate babies up to 1990 and it still goes on I believe Where is your evidence, Matty?  Surely someone would have recorded the deaths?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, there is none.  You are a Troll and you keep maintaining this lie, all without evidence.  Run along, back under your bridge, Troll, I can hear some goats approaching.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Quote: In the Alice they still rape and murder babies - and dogs Yeah, yeah, again you never present any evidence.  Another old wives tale to keep the children hiding their heads under the blankets, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) You don't care - you like it - happy about it

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Still no evidence, hey, Matty?  Whar a WOFTAN you are. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 14^th, 2023 at 4:22pm:

Boris wrote on Jul 14th, 2023 at 4:04pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 2:27pm: Boris wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 7:21am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9th, 2023 at 4:47pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Yeah, yeah, lets rewrite history, hey?  Lets forget about the destruction  of Indigenous culture, lets forget about the destruction of Indigenous families, lets forget about Indigenous tribes and society, lets forget about the deliberate attempt to breed out Indigenous people, hey? What silly sausages you are, Matty and Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Lies - they were naked stone age cannibals that rape murder and eat babies They ate babies up to 1990 and it still goes on I believe Where is your evidence, Matty?  Surely someone would have recorded the deaths?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, there is none.  You are a Troll and you keep maintaining this lie, all without evidence.  Run along, back under your bridge, Troll, I can hear some goats approaching.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Quote: In the Alice they still rape and murder babies - and dogs Yeah, yeah, again you never present any evidence.  Another old wives tale to keep the children hiding their heads under the blankets, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) You don't care - you like it - happy about it https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Still no evidence, hey, Matty?  Whar a WOFTAN you are. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

That's "what"  & "WOFTAM" -

or are you speaking with a Chinese accent?  ;D

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2023 at 5:32pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 12th, 2023 at 12:48pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2023 at 12:38pm: Frank wrote on Jul 12th, 2023 at 10:33am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 5:53pm: Your emphasis is on the modern, today, when I am referring to the past.  The last efforts to breed out the Indigenous population were between the wars. "Breed out the colour..." is one analysis of the effort. Another is from your side of politics which of course makes it truer, now, doesn't?  Longtime Australian policy: Kidnapping children from families Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Tendentious, breathless bollocks. I accept your white flag, Soren.  You have lost this debate purely because of your wilful ignorance.  You prove your immigrant credentials.  Time to educate yourself about Australian history and it's past treatment of the Indigenes.  I will gladly teach you if you'll be willing to sit down and learn.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) :D :D You are willing to teach me sociology??  History?? Political 'science'? Credentialism?? Preening vanity?  ;D ;D https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/9563/VwuWmO.gif I accept your white flag, Soren.  Time to admit you're a failure. No, I am willing to teach you Australian history, the subject that you have shown your ignorance in, Soren.  Are you really this thick? Yes, it seems so.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

;D ;D
Only someone as simple and vain as you would mistake being pissed on from a great height for a 'white flag's.  And what 'white flag'? What surrender to your mindless, endless yawning and tut-tutting and 'I have degrees' preening idiocy?

Frank wrote on Jul 14^th, 2023 at 6:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2023 at 5:32pm: Frank wrote on Jul 12th, 2023 at 12:48pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2023 at 12:38pm: Frank wrote on Jul 12th, 2023 at 10:33am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 5:53pm: Your emphasis is on the modern, today, when I am referring to the past.  The last efforts to breed out the Indigenous population were between the wars. "Breed out the colour..." is one analysis of the effort. Another is from your side of politics which of course makes it truer, now, doesn't?  Longtime Australian policy: Kidnapping children from families Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Tendentious, breathless bollocks. I accept your white flag, Soren.  You have lost this debate purely because of your wilful ignorance.  You prove your immigrant credentials.  Time to educate yourself about Australian history and it's past treatment of the Indigenes.  I will gladly teach you if you'll be willing to sit down and learn.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) :D :D You are willing to teach me sociology??  History?? Political 'science'? Credentialism?? Preening vanity?  ;D ;D https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/9563/VwuWmO.gif I accept your white flag, Soren.  Time to admit you're a failure. No, I am willing to teach you Australian history, the subject that you have shown your ignorance in, Soren.  Are you really this thick? Yes, it seems so.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) ;D ;D Only someone as simple and vain as you would mistake being pissed on from a great height for a 'white flag's.  And what 'white flag'? What surrender to your mindless, endless yawning and tut-tutting and 'I have degrees' preening idiocy?

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Yeah, yeah, what ever, Soren, whatever. You must be due your next psychiatric appointment.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 14^th, 2023 at 9:00pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 14th, 2023 at 6:33pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2023 at 5:32pm: Frank wrote on Jul 12th, 2023 at 12:48pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12th, 2023 at 12:38pm: Frank wrote on Jul 12th, 2023 at 10:33am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 5:53pm: Your emphasis is on the modern, today, when I am referring to the past.  The last efforts to breed out the Indigenous population were between the wars. "Breed out the colour..." is one analysis of the effort. Another is from your side of politics which of course makes it truer, now, doesn't?  Longtime Australian policy: Kidnapping children from families Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Tendentious, breathless bollocks. I accept your white flag, Soren.  You have lost this debate purely because of your wilful ignorance.  You prove your immigrant credentials.  Time to educate yourself about Australian history and it's past treatment of the Indigenes.  I will gladly teach you if you'll be willing to sit down and learn.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) :D :D You are willing to teach me sociology??  History?? Political 'science'? Credentialism?? Preening vanity?  ;D ;D https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/9563/VwuWmO.gif I accept your white flag, Soren.  Time to admit you're a failure. No, I am willing to teach you Australian history, the subject that you have shown your ignorance in, Soren.  Are you really this thick? Yes, it seems so.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) ;D ;D Only someone as simple and vain as you would mistake being pissed on from a great height for a 'white flag's.  And what 'white flag'? What surrender to your mindless, endless yawning and tut-tutting and 'I have degrees' preening idiocy? https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Yeah, yeah, what ever, Soren, whatever. You must be due your next psychiatric appointment.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

I am your therapist, Bbwian.  Don't pretend to forget.  I am giving you free diagnosis, free prognosis and free therapy.

Say thank you, at the very least. I am curing you. Well, I am trying and offering.
Can't make  you think. That is beyond even my powers.

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Brian Ross wrote on Jul 14^th, 2023 at 9:50pm:

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Doktorate on display.

F***n' retard.

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Boris wrote on Jul 11^th, 2023 at 7:21am:

They ate babies up to 1990 and it still goes on I believe...

So you're still pushing these blatant racist lies?

You don't have any evidence that Aborigines were
killing and eating their babies "up to 1990" and I
defy you to post any empirical evidence supporting
that false, reprehensible claim.

And I notice that you've amended you equally
offensive claim that Aboriginals are eating their
babies "to this day" to now read "I believe".

You're as weak as piss mate, and an embarrassment
to this forum.  At least most people here see you as
the bullshit artist you are.

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 16^th, 2023 at 2:25am:

Boris wrote on Jul 11th, 2023 at 7:21am: They ate babies up to 1990 and it still goes on I believe... So you're still pushing these blatant racist lies? You don't have any evidence that Aborigines were killing and eating their babies "up to 1990" and I defy you to post any empirical evidence supporting that false, reprehensible claim. And I notice that you've amended you equally offensive claim that Aboriginals are eating their babies "to this day" to now read "I believe". You're as weak as piss mate, and an embarrassment to this forum.  At least most people here see you as the bullshit artist you are.

Babies are raped but police and hospital staff are forbidden to talk to the press about it

Children are raped and murdered all the time but it is suppressed by the government

Leg Spearing is the same

watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHcnWeCYL7E&t=1732s

go to 28 minutes

The elder says he wants Rolfe speared through the legs

The white government adviser tells him not to say that but "stick to the script"

Leg spearing - which I have seen countless time is common in the NT and often times the person dies or gets the leg amputated.

Many times I have put people in an ambulance with a spear sticking out of them or taken them to theatre with a spear sticking out of them

How many times have you seen it?

It is supressed by the government as is child rape and cannibalism

But your stupidity has you paralised

LOL... "stick to the script" doesn't mean what you
think it means dickhead.

He's just telling the bloke not to start angrily ranting
and raving about something that might sidetrack the
thrust of the interview... clearly state your point, but
not in a manner that is attacking, unkind, or emotionally
charged.

—Typical of a foreigner taking Aussie idiom literally.  Tsk, tsk.

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 16^th, 2023 at 9:08am:

LOL... "stick to the script" doesn't mean what you think it means dickhead. He's just telling the bloke not to start angrily ranting and raving about something that might sidetrack the thrust of the interview... clearly state your point, but not in a manner that is attacking, unkind, or emotionally charged. —Typical of a foreigner taking Aussie idiom literally.  Tsk, tsk.

"No Ned Don't say that please"

"Sorry"

"Stick to the script"

"Alright"

You are Gaslighting

Boris wrote on Jul 16^th, 2023 at 9:12am:

AusGeoff wrote on Jul 16th, 2023 at 9:08am: LOL... "stick to the script" doesn't mean what you think it means dickhead. He's just telling the bloke not to start angrily ranting and raving about something that might sidetrack the thrust of the interview... clearly state your point, but not in a manner that is attacking, unkind, or emotionally charged. —Typical of a foreigner taking Aussie idiom literally.  Tsk, tsk. "No Ned Don't say that please" "Sorry" "Stick to the script" "Alright" You are Gaslighting

Oh good. Another perpetual victim  amongst us.

Notice how their all bigots?

How many people with spear sticking out of them have you seen or had to render first aid or put into the ambulance or wheeled into theatre?

I have lost count

But you are a deluded fool with NFI

This "Elder" wants to spear Rolfe in the legs for a lawful killing in self defence while being stabbed

Often the person with a spear through the legs will die or get the leg amputated - I have seen it

But you wouldn't know

Get bent, Borat.

—Typical of a foreigner taking Aussie idiom literally.  Tsk, tsk.


I am an Aussie - a Territorian

My Grandfather born in Melbourne was at Gallipoli and served in 2 world wars

My father served in No 10 Squadron RAAF and was shot down 3 times and wounded so he could not fly in combat missions so he served on the ground for the rest of the war as close to the front as possible for the rest of WWII - he was recommended for an OBE

But you are just an ignorant fool

Boris wrote on Jul 16^th, 2023 at 9:29am:

—Typical of a foreigner taking Aussie idiom literally.  Tsk, tsk. I am an Aussie - a Territorian My Grandfather born in Melbourne was at Gallipoli and served in 2 world wars My father served in No 10 Squadron RAAF and was shot down 3 times and wounded so he could not fly in combat missions so he served on the ground for the rest of the war as close to the front as possible for the rest of WWII - he was recommended for an OBE But you are just an ignorant fool

Why do you think anyone on here cares? We've all got our own stories.

Thing is ... most on here are bigots so they let you get away with the bilge you post.

Then there are those of us that don't. Few and far between these days.

But the fact of the matter is that you're pimping already refuted lies to idiots. And the fact that they're receiving them doesn't actually confer you with any worth.

You're still a garbage person.

It will never be enough:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW5Nebs3TFA

mothra wrote on Jul 16^th, 2023 at 9:36am:

Boris wrote on Jul 16th, 2023 at 9:29am: —Typical of a foreigner taking Aussie idiom literally.  Tsk, tsk. I am an Aussie - a Territorian My Grandfather born in Melbourne was at Gallipoli and served in 2 world wars My father served in No 10 Squadron RAAF and was shot down 3 times and wounded so he could not fly in combat missions so he served on the ground for the rest of the war as close to the front as possible for the rest of WWII - he was recommended for an OBE But you are just an ignorant fool Why do you think anyone on here cares? We've all got our own stories. Thing is ... most on here are bigots so they let you get away with the bilge you post. Then there are those of us that don't. Few and far between these days. But the fact of the matter is that you're pimping already refuted lies to idiots. And the fact that they're receiving them doesn't actually confer you with any worth. You're still a garbage person.

I do not lie - you do

I am an eye witness to most of what I have seen

You are a deluded fool Commo

Boris wrote on Jul 16^th, 2023 at 9:39am:

mothra wrote on Jul 16th, 2023 at 9:36am: Boris wrote on Jul 16th, 2023 at 9:29am: —Typical of a foreigner taking Aussie idiom literally.  Tsk, tsk. I am an Aussie - a Territorian My Grandfather born in Melbourne was at Gallipoli and served in 2 world wars My father served in No 10 Squadron RAAF and was shot down 3 times and wounded so he could not fly in combat missions so he served on the ground for the rest of the war as close to the front as possible for the rest of WWII - he was recommended for an OBE But you are just an ignorant fool Why do you think anyone on here cares? We've all got our own stories. Thing is ... most on here are bigots so they let you get away with the bilge you post. Then there are those of us that don't. Few and far between these days. But the fact of the matter is that you're pimping already refuted lies to idiots. And the fact that they're receiving them doesn't actually confer you with any worth. You're still a garbage person. I do not lie - you do I am an eye witness to most of what I have seen You are a deluded fool Commo

You're a raving loony is what you are.

What lies have I told?

Boris wrote on Jul 16^th, 2023 at 9:40am:

What lies have I told?

Oh. dearie, dearie, me, so many.  Indigenous people are uncivilised, they practice infanticide, they kill people unnecessarily, they are all violent murderers, etc, Matty.  The list is endless.  Run along Troll.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2023 at 1:52pm:

Boris wrote on Jul 16th, 2023 at 9:40am: What lies have I told? Oh. dearie, dearie, me, so many.  Indigenous people are uncivilised, they practice infanticide, they kill people unnecessarily, they are all violent murderers, etc, Matty.  The list is endless.  Run along Troll.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Those are not lies

Their rate of violent crimes are 20 times higher - 2,000% higher - than non-indigenous Australians

They are uncivilised

Infanticide is common

The murder rate and assault rate among the Aborigines is sky high

Have you even looked at the statistics?

Louis Nowra - a raving Lefty wrote Bad Dreaming because of his time in the Alice Hospital

Is he deluded and lying?

https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/6033436

Bad Dreaming: Aboriginal Men's Violence Against Women And Children


His conclusion - it is just them

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2023 at 1:52pm:

Boris wrote on Jul 16th, 2023 at 9:40am: What lies have I told? Oh. dearie, dearie, me, so many.  Indigenous people are uncivilised, they practice infanticide, they kill people unnecessarily, they are all violent murderers, etc, Matty.  The list is endless.  Run along Troll.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Those are not lies

Their rate of violent crimes are 20 times higher - 2,000% higher - than non-indigenous Australians

Indigenous Australians living in Remote and Very remote areas had the highest rates of non-fatal hospitalisation for family violence-related assaults (1,315 and 1,367 per 100,000 population respectively), compared with between 107 and 404 per 100,000 population across other non-remote areas

They are uncivilised

Infanticide is common

The murder rate and assault rate among the Aborigines is sky high

Have you even looked at the statistics?

Louis Nowra - a raving Lefty wrote Bad Dreaming because of his time in the Alice Hospital

Is he deluded and lying?

https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/6033436

Bad Dreaming: Aboriginal Men's Violence Against Women And Children


His conclusion - it is just them



Louis Nowra has a profound interest and respect for Aboriginal culture and said he was moved to write about the issue when he read of the anal rape of a 13 year-old girl 'promised' to an Aboriginal elder and, almost at the same time, he spent three days in the Alice Springs Hospital surrounded by bashed women and girls and wondered why no male had written about this problem although a few brave women had. It is a man's problem and one that our society must deal with immediately. A wide range of reports from various governments, health professionals, the media and from Aboriginal women and men are examined. Louis Nowra studies Aboriginal male culture and its attitude towards women and girls before the coming of the white man then looks at the terrifying reality of domestic violence and sexual abuse of young girls in many Aboriginal communities and concludes that Aboriginal men are the answer to the problem and that they have to face many important questions, most importantly - has Aboriginal culture contributed towards this situation and what does it mean when Aboriginal men defend their violence or sexual abuse as 'traditional'?

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Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty.  Where is your evidence?  Non-existent.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Boris wrote on Jul 17^th, 2023 at 8:52am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16th, 2023 at 1:52pm: Boris wrote on Jul 16th, 2023 at 9:40am: What lies have I told? Oh. dearie, dearie, me, so many.  Indigenous people are uncivilised, they practice infanticide, they kill people unnecessarily, they are all violent murderers, etc, Matty.  The list is endless.  Run along Troll.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Those are not lies Their rate of violent crimes are 20 times higher - 2,000% higher - than non-indigenous Australians Indigenous Australians living in Remote and Very remote areas had the highest rates of non-fatal hospitalisation for family violence-related assaults (1,315 and 1,367 per 100,000 population respectively), compared with between 107 and 404 per 100,000 population across other non-remote areas They are uncivilised Infanticide is common The murder rate and assault rate among the Aborigines is sky high Have you even looked at the statistics? Louis Nowra - a raving Lefty wrote Bad Dreaming because of his time in the Alice Hospital Is he deluded and lying? https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/6033436 Bad Dreaming: Aboriginal Men's Violence Against Women And Children His conclusion - it is just them Louis Nowra has a profound interest and respect for Aboriginal culture and said he was moved to write about the issue when he read of the anal rape of a 13 year-old girl 'promised' to an Aboriginal elder and, almost at the same time, he spent three days in the Alice Springs Hospital surrounded by bashed women and girls and wondered why no male had written about this problem although a few brave women had. It is a man's problem and one that our society must deal with immediately. A wide range of reports from various governments, health professionals, the media and from Aboriginal women and men are examined. Louis Nowra studies Aboriginal male culture and its attitude towards women and girls before the coming of the white man then looks at the terrifying reality of domestic violence and sexual abuse of young girls in many Aboriginal communities and concludes that Aboriginal men are the answer to the problem and that they have to face many important questions, most importantly - has Aboriginal culture contributed towards this situation and what does it mean when Aboriginal men defend their violence or sexual abuse as 'traditional'?

Bad Dreaming by Louis Nowra

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Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty.  My wife knows Nowra and has a poor opinion of his philosophy.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

I know him very well - and this book was written with integrity

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Yeah, yeah, whatever, Matty.  What qualifications do you have to make a judgement about Philosophy again?  Any at all? My wife has a PhD in Philosophy, I think she knows what she's talking about.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Bad Dreaming was written with integrity

I know Nowra better than your wife fool

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Quote:

All Lies

Nice of borat to let us know in advance that his posts are all lies

Boris wrote on Jul 9^th, 2023 at 3:55pm:

Lies - Damned Lies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tFctbOODRU The claim A regularly repeated claim in public debate is that Indigenous Australians were covered by a flora and fauna act, which did not classify them as human beings, and that this only changed when the constitution was amended following the 1967 referendum. For at least the past 10 years, academics, media commentators and Aboriginal people, including an Indigenous MP, have claimed this to be true. The verdict Ms Clanton's claim is a myth. Aboriginal people in Australia have never been covered by a flora and fauna act, either under federal or state law. But despite several attempts by various people to set the record straight, the myth continues to circulate, perhaps because, as one academic told Fact Check, it "embodies elements of a deeper truth about discrimination". Although the claim has been repeated more frequently during the past 10 years, there is evidence to suggest the myth originated in the early 1970s. Both an expert consulted by Fact Check and a museum website in Western Australia suggest several factors have given rise to the notion that a flora and fauna act once existed. Such factors include the existence at one time or another of government departments and historical reports with titles that bring together the words "flora", "fauna" and "Aboriginal". Also, a widespread and energetic campaign for a yes vote in the 1967 referendum played a crucial role in setting the conditions for the myth to emerge. Experts told Fact Check that the referendum involved "dry" technical amendments to the constitution relating to Indigenous Australians. As these were difficult to explain in a campaign-friendly way, campaigners for a yes vote instead pushed the idea of equal rights and justice for Aboriginal people. The hugely successful referendum was thereby imbued with a symbolism that further enriched the conditions for the myth to take root; that before the constitution was amended, Indigenous Australians were classified according to a flora and fauna act — a completely incorrect conclusion. Who else has made this claim? In the 1960s, a civil rights organisation known as the Federal Council for the Advancement of Aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders campaigned for Indigenous peoples' welfare and lobbied in favour of the 1967 referendum. Professor Marcia Langton, one of Australia's most respected Indigenous academics, told Fact Check that the so-called flora and fauna act was first mentioned by pioneer Aboriginal filmmaker Lester Bostock during a council meeting in Canberra in the 1970s. "Lester Bostock (now deceased) gave a regular speech about how we were classified under the 'flora and fauna act'," Professor Langton wrote in an email. "I thought at the time, and so did many others, that he meant this in a metaphorical way. I had no idea that this would grow into the urban myth that it is today." However, she added: "We were not classified under the 'flora and fauna act' but we were treated as animals." Since the 1970s, the claim has been repeated many times. On becoming the first Indigenous member of the NSW Parliament, Linda Burney said in her maiden speech on May 6, 2003: "For the first 10 years of my life, like all Indigenous people at that time, I was not a citizen of this country. We existed under the flora and fauna act of New South Wales." Media outlets, bloggers, entertainers, and others have helped perpetuate the myth. In 2013, comedian Charlie Pickering wrote in an opinion article published by Mamamia: "I know that until the 1967 referendum altered our constitution to include all Australians as enfranchised citizens, our first peoples were regulated by the flora and fauna act." Academics and Aboriginal public figures, such as Sol Bellear, have also made the claim. But, in 2017, Aboriginal artist Vernon Ah Kee told the ABC that it was only in jest that a 'flora and fauna act' was mentioned by Aboriginal people. "Blackfellas jokingly say that we weren't considered people so we must be part of the flora and fauna act, but that's not even true. The fact is that we didn't exist at all." https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-20/fact-check-flora-and-fauna-1967-referendum/9550650

They were never listed under the Flora and Fauna Act

Everything she said is lies

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/6924/ZAppQd.jpg

Everything you say are lies, Matty.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Your voice is going down Brianny - I can't stop it now - best to call a halt lest it ends a total disaster.

On which subject:-
My voice just won't come back
My voice just won't come back
I waved the thing all over the place
Ranted til I was black in the face,
It's a huge disgrace on the aboriginal race
My voice ain't gonna come back.

My treaty won't get a start
My treaty won't get a start
I carried on like a rat every minute
Used skins and power salutes in the Senate
I just can't figure why Whartey can't ken it
My treaty won't get a start.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2023 at 10:05pm:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/6924/ZAppQd.jpg Everything you say are lies, Matty.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

You like being cornered and bollocked by all, don't you, Doctor (mail order) Bbwian.
You actually enjoy it and keep coming back fr more.

No balance: why I feel cheated by Dark Emu ‘documentary’
The Dark Emu film is biased towards one side of the debate, that of Bruce Pascoe. At several points it turns into propaganda; a wasted opportunity for better understanding of Australia’s long and complex human past.

By PETER SUTTON

The Dark Emu Story is a recently released film produced by Blackfella Films for the ABC and directed by Allan Clarke.

I won’t call it a “documentary” because, although it starts pretty well, by the time it gets to the end, certain segments fail to reflect the values underlying a good documentary: balance, fairness and respect for reliable records as against unfounded speculation.

At the centre of the film is Bruce Pascoe’s 2014 book, Dark Emu.

In 2021, archaeologist Keryn Walshe and I published a detailed assessment of Pascoe’s claims as compared with the evidence (our book’s short title is Farmers or Hunter-gatherers?).

The film is biased towards one side of the debate, the side of Bruce Pascoe. At several points it turns into propaganda. This is the opposite of the much-stressed independence and even-handedness Blackfella Films promised in our pre-filming discussions. It becomes a puff piece for Pascoe.
Having appeared in the film in good faith, both Walshe and I have had our trust in Clarke and Blackfella Films abused. Worst of all the film depicts us as racists by association with right-wing shock jocks. Marcia Langton associates us with the colonial anthropology of 100 years ago. The film was a set-up. A case of bad faith.

One of the many film moments shot – but not included in the end result – was my firm disassociation from Andrew Bolt. I am against his personal attacks, including those on Pascoe. I am also against Langton’s personal attacks, as in this case.

Very few of my challenges to Pascoe, filmed in Sydney’s Mitchell Library, got through to the final cut. For example, I asked him why no First Nations people were quoted in his book. Direct evidence from people with knowledge of traditional hunting, collecting and eco-management was something Walshe and I had no difficulty drawing on in our book. Perhaps Pascoe’s answers in the Mitchell were not good enough.

The film starts pretty well, but later loses the promised thread, goes bush for some luscious cinematography, dwells on a current archaeological project, and towards the end becomes a platform for an abusive and disrespectful tirade from Marcia Langton.

Langton presents the poor viewer with a fictional pastiche of our book and then attacks this straw being viciously.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/why-i-feel-cheated-by-dark-emu-doco/news-story/f41ff5448cf6017691be1cbd7c957e21
That's  what earned Mothra's high praise for this agit-prop bilge from the ABC.

Frank wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 9:49am:

No balance: why I feel cheated by Dark Emu ‘documentary’ The Dark Emu film is biased towards one side of the debate, that of Bruce Pascoe. At several points it turns into propaganda; a wasted opportunity for better understanding of Australia’s long and complex human past. By PETER SUTTON The Dark Emu Story is a recently released film produced by Blackfella Films for the ABC and directed by Allan Clarke. I won’t call it a “documentary” because, although it starts pretty well, by the time it gets to the end, certain segments fail to reflect the values underlying a good documentary: balance, fairness and respect for reliable records as against unfounded speculation. At the centre of the film is Bruce Pascoe’s 2014 book, Dark Emu. In 2021, archaeologist Keryn Walshe and I published a detailed assessment of Pascoe’s claims as compared with the evidence (our book’s short title is Farmers or Hunter-gatherers?). The film is biased towards one side of the debate, the side of Bruce Pascoe. At several points it turns into propaganda. This is the opposite of the much-stressed independence and even-handedness Blackfella Films promised in our pre-filming discussions. It becomes a puff piece for Pascoe. Having appeared in the film in good faith, both Walshe and I have had our trust in Clarke and Blackfella Films abused. Worst of all the film depicts us as racists by association with right-wing shock jocks. Marcia Langton associates us with the colonial anthropology of 100 years ago. The film was a set-up. A case of bad faith. One of the many film moments shot – but not included in the end result – was my firm disassociation from Andrew Bolt. I am against his personal attacks, including those on Pascoe. I am also against Langton’s personal attacks, as in this case. Very few of my challenges to Pascoe, filmed in Sydney’s Mitchell Library, got through to the final cut. For example, I asked him why no First Nations people were quoted in his book. Direct evidence from people with knowledge of traditional hunting, collecting and eco-management was something Walshe and I had no difficulty drawing on in our book. Perhaps Pascoe’s answers in the Mitchell were not good enough. The film starts pretty well, but later loses the promised thread, goes bush for some luscious cinematography, dwells on a current archaeological project, and towards the end becomes a platform for an abusive and disrespectful tirade from Marcia Langton. Langton presents the poor viewer with a fictional pastiche of our book and then attacks this straw being viciously. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/why-i-feel-cheated-by-dark-emu-doco/news-story/f41ff5448cf6017691be1cbd7c957e21 That's  what earned Mothra's high praise for this agit-prop bilge from the ABC.

Yeah, Peter Sutton was kind of humiliated in it, though most graciously.

Contrary to Langton, we never claimed spiritual propagation was the only way people managed the biota before colonisation. We said it was important, along with landscape firing, fish traps, seasonal mobility and the rest, but Pascoe had missed it. Langton attacks her own mirage.

In between all this there is in the film a sympathy drive for Pascoe, which at one point descends into schmaltz and bathos with violins playing in the background. This reminded me of Liberace.

Viewers are left wondering what connects the film’s various bits. Where did the other key points of the debate go? A question addressed neither by Pascoe nor by Clarke’s film is why do mainland Aboriginal languages lack the vocabulary of horticulture, but the two Torres Strait languages, those of Melanesian gardeners, collectors, hunters and fishers, abound in such words?

But it’s not the failure of the film as an attempt at documentary that most concerns me here. It’s how the film suffers terminally from an overdose of viewer-bullying from Langton.

Langton, in this film, has turned on the community of scholars who have long both nurtured and learned from her. In the film she tries to hijack a debate about the precolonial economies and technologies of the Old People and turn it into a personal battle in the great race war. She parodies modern anthropologists as if time had stood still in 1914.

She says: “I call it Ooga Booga anthropology.” (I thought Gary Foley had dibs on that term.) But Langton’s political rage does not entitle her to misuse her extensive power and high profile, especially in an effort to prop up Pascoe’s work by denigrating her colleagues. But misuse it she does.

Langton’s extraordinary outburst against anthropologists seems odd at first. As an anthropologist herself (at the University of Melbourne), she has published in the field of traditional Aboriginal land use, especially eco-management using fire. Lamalama people of Cape York Peninsula kindly took her in.

In our book that forensically examined Pascoe’s claims, we made use of five of Langton’s relevant works. Pascoe’s book ignored her scholarship entirely. Soon after the appearance of Pascoe’s Dark Emu, Langton committed one of the most embarrassing gaffes of her academic career. She went on TV announcing that Pascoe’s was possibly one of the best books ever published on Australia.
:D :D :D :D

^^^^ Frank, not citing his source, again.

We have shown that this is false. Langton also said all of Pascoe’s references to explorer accounts were accurate.

That this was untrue was shown by our analysis of Pascoe’s misuse and doctoring of quotations. Many of Langton’s colleagues who saw this were gobsmacked.

How could she endorse a book that would fail as a first-year student essay; that made claims that could not be substantiated; that was littered with multiple howlers?

Trivially, but symptomatically, Pascoe claims writer Randolph Stow (1938-2010) married ethnographer Kate Parker (1856-1940). She actually married a barrister called Percival Randolph Stow (1857-1937).

Dark Emu also dumped on experts. Pascoe, untutored in the relevant disciplines, instantly knew more than they did after reading explorer Thomas Mitchell’s journal. Mitchell described piles of grass as resembling hayricks. Pascoe failed to notice that Mitchell was later to write in admiration of the freedom, vigour and health of the First Australians, and their happy escape from the toils of agriculture.

The answer for Langton’s excessive display in this film may lie in the fact that Pascoe’s book is, among other things, an anti-racist tract. For many, the political morality story is what counts, even if normal standards of evidence have been disrespected and abandoned during its composition.

Walshe and I apparently made the mistake of questioning an antiracist tract that was marred by factual errors. Our mainly Celtic ancestry was a disability in the toxic wasteland of Australian race politics.

In the film Langton is thus defending not only Pascoe but herself, in my opinion, by going on the attack against people whose work has showed up her serious misjudgment.

Walshe and I had been invited to take part in the film by way of interviews. Walshe is a much experienced and respected senior archaeologist who works closely with traditional owners. I have worked with and for Aboriginal people as an anthropologist and linguist for decades.

In a low insult, the film links Walshe and myself to right wing shock jocks and racists. We are in fact both lifetime anti-racists, a fact hidden from viewers. Of the 80-odd land claims I worked on from the 1970s until 2018, as a researcher, in two of them Langton and I worked together.

For some years we were both part of the council of the Australian Institute of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Studies. Langton wrote the foreword to my 2007 book, The Politics of Suffering. These are among the courtesies of the community of scholars.

Was saving face enough of a reason to allow Langton to throw away her scholarly standards and then attack the messengers of scientific restraint in an excruciatingly long browbeating?

Whatever the case, she is now stuck with that foot-in mouth moment forever, and its eternal reflection in this film. And we’re all stuck with a film that is a partly wasted opportunity to lead viewers to better understanding of Australia’s long and complex human past. The ABC should get its money back.

Peter Sutton’s most recent book is Linguistic Organisation and Native Title: The Wik Case (ANU Press, 2021)
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/why-i-feel-cheated-by-dark-emu-doco/news-story/f41ff5448cf6017691be1cbd7c957e21

mothra wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 9:53am:

^^^^ Frank, not citing his source, again.

It is an article by Sutton, as indicated in my first post, ya po-faced little bint.

Did you watch the documentary, Frank?

Are you actually properly informed as to what you've a bee in your bonnet about?

Frank wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 9:58am:

mothra wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 9:53am: ^^^^ Frank, not citing his source, again. It is an article by Sutton, as indicated in my first post, ya po-faced little bint.

Cite your sources, Frank.

Are you sure you've been further educated? I seriously have my doubts. Balogna was just a fruit picking summer while back-packing, no?

mothra wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 9:58am:

Did you watch the documentary, Frank? Are you actually properly informed as to what you've a bee in your bonnet about?

Yes, and yes, I am properly informed.  I DO look at both sides in an argument, I do read widely, including the ABC, Granuiad, and all the rest.

Sutton points to Langton animus and yours and Bbwian's:
For many, the political morality story is what counts, even if normal standards of evidence have been disrespected and abandoned during its composition.

Walshe and I apparently made the mistake of questioning an antiracist tract that was marred by factual errors. Our mainly Celtic ancestry was a disability in the toxic wasteland of Australian race politics.

In the film Langton is thus defending not only Pascoe but herself, in my opinion, by going on the attack against people whose work has showed up her serious misjudgment.

Frank wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 10:05am:

mothra wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 9:58am: Did you watch the documentary, Frank? Are you actually properly informed as to what you've a bee in your bonnet about? Yes, and yes, I am properly informed.  I DO look at both sides in an argument, I do read widely, including the ABC, Granuiad, and all the rest. Sutton points to Langton animus and yours and Bbwian's: For many, the political morality story is what counts, even if normal standards of evidence have been disrespected and abandoned during its composition. Walshe and I apparently made the mistake of questioning an antiracist tract that was marred by factual errors. Our mainly Celtic ancestry was a disability in the toxic wasteland of Australian race politics. In the film Langton is thus defending not only Pascoe but herself, in my opinion, by going on the attack against people whose work has showed up her serious misjudgment.

So then you would have seen evidence of many of Pascoe's claims being verified not only by early settler account by living memory and abundant evidence in natural records?

Why then do you claim Pascoe as entirely fallacious?

mothra wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 10:26am:

Frank wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 10:05am: mothra wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 9:58am: Did you watch the documentary, Frank? Are you actually properly informed as to what you've a bee in your bonnet about? Yes, and yes, I am properly informed.  I DO look at both sides in an argument, I do read widely, including the ABC, Granuiad, and all the rest. Sutton points to Langton animus and yours and Bbwian's: For many, the political morality story is what counts, even if normal standards of evidence have been disrespected and abandoned during its composition. Walshe and I apparently made the mistake of questioning an antiracist tract that was marred by factual errors. Our mainly Celtic ancestry was a disability in the toxic wasteland of Australian race politics. In the film Langton is thus defending not only Pascoe but herself, in my opinion, by going on the attack against people whose work has showed up her serious misjudgment. So then you would have seen evidence of many of Pascoe's claims being verified not only by early settler account by living memory and abundant evidence in natural records? Why then do you claim Pascoe as entirely fallacious?

Don't try to lie and slime your out of this vice, pofaced bint.

The claims against Pascoe were ALWAYS about his selective, edited quoting and misrepresentation and misinterpretation of evidence.
That is what the Sutton & Walshe book demonstrated and that is what every critic has pointed out. There is an ilustrative example or two of it even this article by Sutton.

Frank wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 10:31am:

mothra wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 10:26am: Frank wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 10:05am: mothra wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 9:58am: Did you watch the documentary, Frank? Are you actually properly informed as to what you've a bee in your bonnet about? Yes, and yes, I am properly informed.  I DO look at both sides in an argument, I do read widely, including the ABC, Granuiad, and all the rest. Sutton points to Langton animus and yours and Bbwian's: For many, the political morality story is what counts, even if normal standards of evidence have been disrespected and abandoned during its composition. Walshe and I apparently made the mistake of questioning an antiracist tract that was marred by factual errors. Our mainly Celtic ancestry was a disability in the toxic wasteland of Australian race politics. In the film Langton is thus defending not only Pascoe but herself, in my opinion, by going on the attack against people whose work has showed up her serious misjudgment. So then you would have seen evidence of many of Pascoe's claims being verified not only by early settler account by living memory and abundant evidence in natural records? Why then do you claim Pascoe as entirely fallacious? Don't try to lie and slime your out of this vice, pofaced bint. The claims against Pascoe were ALWAYS about his selective, edited quoting and misrepresentation and misinterpretation of evidence. That is what the Sutton & Walshe book demonstrated and that is what every critic has pointed out. There is an ilustrative example or two of it even this article by Sutton.

Nope. The claims made often and loudly on this forum is that Pascoe is an absolute fantasist. That Aboriginal people were nothing moe than primitive, lucky to survive the day, head thumpers with nothing to write home with about them anyway.

You all steadfastly refuse to accept anything to the contrary.

Pascoe wrote of much to the contrary.

And oh how you have torn him to pieces for it.

And he sat down with Sutton in good faith in that doco. Sutton was given fair air time in that doco. Sutton came out as looking churlish and altogether as though he didn't want to be there.

All lies.


https://youtu.be/9bXJeAPPk_4

A disappointing, if not unpredictable response.

mothra wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 10:36am:

Frank wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 10:31am: mothra wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 10:26am: Frank wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 10:05am: mothra wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 9:58am: Did you watch the documentary, Frank? Are you actually properly informed as to what you've a bee in your bonnet about? Yes, and yes, I am properly informed.  I DO look at both sides in an argument, I do read widely, including the ABC, Granuiad, and all the rest. Sutton points to Langton animus and yours and Bbwian's: For many, the political morality story is what counts, even if normal standards of evidence have been disrespected and abandoned during its composition. Walshe and I apparently made the mistake of questioning an antiracist tract that was marred by factual errors. Our mainly Celtic ancestry was a disability in the toxic wasteland of Australian race politics. In the film Langton is thus defending not only Pascoe but herself, in my opinion, by going on the attack against people whose work has showed up her serious misjudgment. So then you would have seen evidence of many of Pascoe's claims being verified not only by early settler account by living memory and abundant evidence in natural records? Why then do you claim Pascoe as entirely fallacious? Don't try to lie and slime your out of this vice, pofaced bint. The claims against Pascoe were ALWAYS about his selective, edited quoting and misrepresentation and misinterpretation of evidence. That is what the Sutton & Walshe book demonstrated and that is what every critic has pointed out. There is an ilustrative example or two of it even this article by Sutton. Nope. The claims made often and loudly on this forum is that Pascoe is an absolute fantasist. That Aboriginal people were nothing moe than primitive, lucky to survive the day, head thumpers with nothing to write home with about them anyway. You all steadfastly refuse to accept anything to the contrary. Pascoe wrote of much to the contrary. And oh how you have torn him to pieces for it. And he sat down with Sutton in good faith in that doco. Sutton was given fair air time in that doco. Sutton came out as looking churlish and altogether as though he didn't want to be there.

Well - how is Pascoe not an absolute fantasist? So selective editing and calculated extension of early writings so as to give a totally different view is not being a fantasist?  And you base this purely on the idea that each and every early writer on these matters and each and every person who has read them etc - is somehow vested in a totally false version of historical truth?

This from one who not only defended Lefty the terminally insane liar, but tried to blame his antics on others. 

Why should anyone place any faith in your judgement?

Did you watch the doco, Crappler?

Frank says he did but it really appears as though he didn't.

What about you?

mothra wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 10:00am:

Frank wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 9:58am: mothra wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 9:53am: ^^^^ Frank, not citing his source, again. It is an article by Sutton, as indicated in my first post, ya po-faced little bint. Cite your sources, Frank. Are you sure you've been further educated? I seriously have my doubts. Balogna was just a fruit picking summer while back-packing, no?

When all else fails attack the messenger... here's my stash... let's feed them one at a time into a bet - the bet is mothra will not make a single valid response to any question or issue raised, but will head off into the usual wild realms of mad abuse, insult and denigration:-

https://www.coinsandaustralia.com/medias/banknotes/one-hundred-dollar/banknote-australia-one-hundred-dollar-1996-100-dollars.jpg

mothra wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 11:06am:

Did you watch the doco, Crappler? Frank says he did but it really appears as though he didn't. What about you?

No answers, huh?  Just another twist..... try to turn it back.... so predictable...

Did you watch the doco, Craps?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 11:10am:

mothra wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 10:00am: Frank wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 9:58am: mothra wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 9:53am: ^^^^ Frank, not citing his source, again. It is an article by Sutton, as indicated in my first post, ya po-faced little bint. Cite your sources, Frank. Are you sure you've been further educated? I seriously have my doubts. Balogna was just a fruit picking summer while back-packing, no? When all else fails attack the messenger... here's my stash... let's feed them one at a time into a bet - the bet is mothra will not make a single valid response to any question or issue raised, but will head off into the usual wild realms of mad abuse, insult and denigration:- https://media.istockphoto.com/id/1217137637/photo/australian-dollars-isolated.jpg

Ignore and post over the Manic Methra troll as IT is hijacking topics all over OzPol this morning and spamming topics with endless baseless personal attacks.

mothra wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 10:00am:

Frank wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 9:58am: mothra wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 9:53am: ^^^^ Frank, not citing his source, again. It is an article by Sutton, as indicated in my first post, ya po-faced little bint. Cite your sources, Frank. Are you sure you've been further educated? I seriously have my doubts. Balogna was just a fruit picking summer while back-packing, no?

You ARE blind, pofaced frightbat


mothra wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 9:50am:

Frank wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 9:49am: No balance: why I feel cheated by Dark Emu ‘documentary’ The Dark Emu film is biased towards one side of the debate, that of Bruce Pascoe. At several points it turns into propaganda; a wasted opportunity for better understanding of Australia’s long and complex human past. By PETER SUTTON The Dark Emu Story is a recently released film produced by Blackfella Films for the ABC and directed by Allan Clarke. I won’t call it a “documentary” because, although it starts pretty well, by the time it gets to the end, certain segments fail to reflect the values underlying a good documentary: balance, fairness and respect for reliable records as against unfounded speculation. At the centre of the film is Bruce Pascoe’s 2014 book, Dark Emu. In 2021, archaeologist Keryn Walshe and I published a detailed assessment of Pascoe’s claims as compared with the evidence (our book’s short title is Farmers or Hunter-gatherers?). The film is biased towards one side of the debate, the side of Bruce Pascoe. At several points it turns into propaganda. This is the opposite of the much-stressed independence and even-handedness Blackfella Films promised in our pre-filming discussions. It becomes a puff piece for Pascoe. Having appeared in the film in good faith, both Walshe and I have had our trust in Clarke and Blackfella Films abused. Worst of all the film depicts us as racists by association with right-wing shock jocks. Marcia Langton associates us with the colonial anthropology of 100 years ago. The film was a set-up. A case of bad faith. One of the many film moments shot – but not included in the end result – was my firm disassociation from Andrew Bolt. I am against his personal attacks, including those on Pascoe. I am also against Langton’s personal attacks, as in this case. Very few of my challenges to Pascoe, filmed in Sydney’s Mitchell Library, got through to the final cut. For example, I asked him why no First Nations people were quoted in his book. Direct evidence from people with knowledge of traditional hunting, collecting and eco-management was something Walshe and I had no difficulty drawing on in our book. Perhaps Pascoe’s answers in the Mitchell were not good enough. The film starts pretty well, but later loses the promised thread, goes bush for some luscious cinematography, dwells on a current archaeological project, and towards the end becomes a platform for an abusive and disrespectful tirade from Marcia Langton. Langton presents the poor viewer with a fictional pastiche of our book and then attacks this straw being viciously. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/why-i-feel-cheated-by-dark-emu-doco/news-story/f41ff5448cf6017691be1cbd7c957e21 That's  what earned Mothra's high praise for this agit-prop bilge from the ABC. Yeah, Peter Sutton was kind of humiliated in it, though most graciously.

Frank wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 11:14am:

mothra wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 10:00am: Frank wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 9:58am: mothra wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 9:53am: ^^^^ Frank, not citing his source, again. It is an article by Sutton, as indicated in my first post, ya po-faced little bint. Cite your sources, Frank. Are you sure you've been further educated? I seriously have my doubts. Balogna was just a fruit picking summer while back-packing, no? You ARE blind, pofaced frightbat mothra wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 9:50am: Frank wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 9:49am: No balance: why I feel cheated by Dark Emu ‘documentary’ The Dark Emu film is biased towards one side of the debate, that of Bruce Pascoe. At several points it turns into propaganda; a wasted opportunity for better understanding of Australia’s long and complex human past. By PETER SUTTON The Dark Emu Story is a recently released film produced by Blackfella Films for the ABC and directed by Allan Clarke. I won’t call it a “documentary” because, although it starts pretty well, by the time it gets to the end, certain segments fail to reflect the values underlying a good documentary: balance, fairness and respect for reliable records as against unfounded speculation. At the centre of the film is Bruce Pascoe’s 2014 book, Dark Emu. In 2021, archaeologist Keryn Walshe and I published a detailed assessment of Pascoe’s claims as compared with the evidence (our book’s short title is Farmers or Hunter-gatherers?). The film is biased towards one side of the debate, the side of Bruce Pascoe. At several points it turns into propaganda. This is the opposite of the much-stressed independence and even-handedness Blackfella Films promised in our pre-filming discussions. It becomes a puff piece for Pascoe. Having appeared in the film in good faith, both Walshe and I have had our trust in Clarke and Blackfella Films abused. Worst of all the film depicts us as racists by association with right-wing shock jocks. Marcia Langton associates us with the colonial anthropology of 100 years ago. The film was a set-up. A case of bad faith. One of the many film moments shot – but not included in the end result – was my firm disassociation from Andrew Bolt. I am against his personal attacks, including those on Pascoe. I am also against Langton’s personal attacks, as in this case. Very few of my challenges to Pascoe, filmed in Sydney’s Mitchell Library, got through to the final cut. For example, I asked him why no First Nations people were quoted in his book. Direct evidence from people with knowledge of traditional hunting, collecting and eco-management was something Walshe and I had no difficulty drawing on in our book. Perhaps Pascoe’s answers in the Mitchell were not good enough. The film starts pretty well, but later loses the promised thread, goes bush for some luscious cinematography, dwells on a current archaeological project, and towards the end becomes a platform for an abusive and disrespectful tirade from Marcia Langton. Langton presents the poor viewer with a fictional pastiche of our book and then attacks this straw being viciously. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/why-i-feel-cheated-by-dark-emu-doco/news-story/f41ff5448cf6017691be1cbd7c957e21 That's  what earned Mothra's high praise for this agit-prop bilge from the ABC. Yeah, Peter Sutton was kind of humiliated in it, though most graciously.

Yeah but that's not what i told you to cite your source's on, now is it.

Why are you lying now, old boy?

mothra wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 11:06am:

Did you watch the doco, Crappler? Frank says he did but it really appears as though he didn't. What about you?

How does it 'appear' that way, Bbwianesque frightbat? By not applauding it and the ABC like you?
By posting Sutton's objections to it?  By rejecting Pascoe's claims of Aboriginality and his shoddy pseudo-scholarly humpy of a book and its sychophantic adoration by the likes of you and Bbwian?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 11:10am:

mothra wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 10:00am: Frank wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 9:58am: mothra wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 9:53am: ^^^^ Frank, not citing his source, again. It is an article by Sutton, as indicated in my first post, ya po-faced little bint. Cite your sources, Frank. Are you sure you've been further educated? I seriously have my doubts. Balogna was just a fruit picking summer while back-packing, no? When all else fails attack the messenger... here's my stash... let's feed them one at a time into a bet - the bet is mothra will not make a single valid response to any question or issue raised, but will head off into the usual wild realms of mad abuse, insult and denigration:- https://media.istockphoto.com/id/1217137637/photo/australian-dollars-isolated.jpg

Ignore and post over the Manic Methra troll as IT is hijacking topics all over OzPol this morning and spamming topics with endless baseless personal attacks.

mothra wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 11:18am:

Frank wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 11:14am: mothra wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 10:00am: Frank wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 9:58am: mothra wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 9:53am: ^^^^ Frank, not citing his source, again. It is an article by Sutton, as indicated in my first post, ya po-faced little bint. Cite your sources, Frank. Are you sure you've been further educated? I seriously have my doubts. Balogna was just a fruit picking summer while back-packing, no? You ARE blind, pofaced frightbat mothra wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 9:50am: Frank wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 9:49am: No balance: why I feel cheated by Dark Emu ‘documentary’ The Dark Emu film is biased towards one side of the debate, that of Bruce Pascoe. At several points it turns into propaganda; a wasted opportunity for better understanding of Australia’s long and complex human past. By PETER SUTTON The Dark Emu Story is a recently released film produced by Blackfella Films for the ABC and directed by Allan Clarke. I won’t call it a “documentary” because, although it starts pretty well, by the time it gets to the end, certain segments fail to reflect the values underlying a good documentary: balance, fairness and respect for reliable records as against unfounded speculation. At the centre of the film is Bruce Pascoe’s 2014 book, Dark Emu. In 2021, archaeologist Keryn Walshe and I published a detailed assessment of Pascoe’s claims as compared with the evidence (our book’s short title is Farmers or Hunter-gatherers?). The film is biased towards one side of the debate, the side of Bruce Pascoe. At several points it turns into propaganda. This is the opposite of the much-stressed independence and even-handedness Blackfella Films promised in our pre-filming discussions. It becomes a puff piece for Pascoe. Having appeared in the film in good faith, both Walshe and I have had our trust in Clarke and Blackfella Films abused. Worst of all the film depicts us as racists by association with right-wing shock jocks. Marcia Langton associates us with the colonial anthropology of 100 years ago. The film was a set-up. A case of bad faith. One of the many film moments shot – but not included in the end result – was my firm disassociation from Andrew Bolt. I am against his personal attacks, including those on Pascoe. I am also against Langton’s personal attacks, as in this case. Very few of my challenges to Pascoe, filmed in Sydney’s Mitchell Library, got through to the final cut. For example, I asked him why no First Nations people were quoted in his book. Direct evidence from people with knowledge of traditional hunting, collecting and eco-management was something Walshe and I had no difficulty drawing on in our book. Perhaps Pascoe’s answers in the Mitchell were not good enough. The film starts pretty well, but later loses the promised thread, goes bush for some luscious cinematography, dwells on a current archaeological project, and towards the end becomes a platform for an abusive and disrespectful tirade from Marcia Langton. Langton presents the poor viewer with a fictional pastiche of our book and then attacks this straw being viciously. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/why-i-feel-cheated-by-dark-emu-doco/news-story/f41ff5448cf6017691be1cbd7c957e21 That's  what earned Mothra's high praise for this agit-prop bilge from the ABC. Yeah, Peter Sutton was kind of humiliated in it, though most graciously. Yeah but that's not what i told you to cite your source's on, now is it. Why are you lying now, old boy?

The three consecutive posts are the entire article, ya excruciatingly idiotic, pofaced frightbat.  But you knew that. 

Frank wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 11:22am:

mothra wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 11:06am: Did you watch the doco, Crappler? Frank says he did but it really appears as though he didn't. What about you? How does it 'appear' that way, Bbwianesque frightbat? By not applauding it and the ABC like you? By posting Sutton's objections to it?  By rejecting Pascoe's claims of Aboriginality and his shoddy pseudo-scholarly humpy of a book and its sychophantic adoration by the likes of you and Bbwian?

No, by not being able to discuss Sutton's objections to it, relying on other people's word... again.

Had you actually watched the doco, you would have been able to engage in the discussion i initiated about it. You couldn't though. You simply copy and pated again.

Still, you're the closest we've come to someone ctually watching it on here.

Frank wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 11:25am:

mothra wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 11:18am: Frank wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 11:14am: mothra wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 10:00am: Frank wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 9:58am: mothra wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 9:53am: ^^^^ Frank, not citing his source, again. It is an article by Sutton, as indicated in my first post, ya po-faced little bint. Cite your sources, Frank. Are you sure you've been further educated? I seriously have my doubts. Balogna was just a fruit picking summer while back-packing, no? You ARE blind, pofaced frightbat mothra wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 9:50am: Frank wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 9:49am: No balance: why I feel cheated by Dark Emu ‘documentary’ The Dark Emu film is biased towards one side of the debate, that of Bruce Pascoe. At several points it turns into propaganda; a wasted opportunity for better understanding of Australia’s long and complex human past. By PETER SUTTON The Dark Emu Story is a recently released film produced by Blackfella Films for the ABC and directed by Allan Clarke. I won’t call it a “documentary” because, although it starts pretty well, by the time it gets to the end, certain segments fail to reflect the values underlying a good documentary: balance, fairness and respect for reliable records as against unfounded speculation. At the centre of the film is Bruce Pascoe’s 2014 book, Dark Emu. In 2021, archaeologist Keryn Walshe and I published a detailed assessment of Pascoe’s claims as compared with the evidence (our book’s short title is Farmers or Hunter-gatherers?). The film is biased towards one side of the debate, the side of Bruce Pascoe. At several points it turns into propaganda. This is the opposite of the much-stressed independence and even-handedness Blackfella Films promised in our pre-filming discussions. It becomes a puff piece for Pascoe. Having appeared in the film in good faith, both Walshe and I have had our trust in Clarke and Blackfella Films abused. Worst of all the film depicts us as racists by association with right-wing shock jocks. Marcia Langton associates us with the colonial anthropology of 100 years ago. The film was a set-up. A case of bad faith. One of the many film moments shot – but not included in the end result – was my firm disassociation from Andrew Bolt. I am against his personal attacks, including those on Pascoe. I am also against Langton’s personal attacks, as in this case. Very few of my challenges to Pascoe, filmed in Sydney’s Mitchell Library, got through to the final cut. For example, I asked him why no First Nations people were quoted in his book. Direct evidence from people with knowledge of traditional hunting, collecting and eco-management was something Walshe and I had no difficulty drawing on in our book. Perhaps Pascoe’s answers in the Mitchell were not good enough. The film starts pretty well, but later loses the promised thread, goes bush for some luscious cinematography, dwells on a current archaeological project, and towards the end becomes a platform for an abusive and disrespectful tirade from Marcia Langton. Langton presents the poor viewer with a fictional pastiche of our book and then attacks this straw being viciously. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/why-i-feel-cheated-by-dark-emu-doco/news-story/f41ff5448cf6017691be1cbd7c957e21 That's  what earned Mothra's high praise for this agit-prop bilge from the ABC. Yeah, Peter Sutton was kind of humiliated in it, though most graciously. Yeah but that's not what i told you to cite your source's on, now is it. Why are you lying now, old boy? The three consecutive posts are the entire article, ya excruciatingly idiotic, pofaced frightbat.  But you knew that.

No it wasn't. Why lie?

mothra wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 11:28am:

Frank wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 11:25am: mothra wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 11:18am: Frank wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 11:14am: mothra wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 10:00am: Frank wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 9:58am: mothra wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 9:53am: ^^^^ Frank, not citing his source, again. It is an article by Sutton, as indicated in my first post, ya po-faced little bint. Cite your sources, Frank. Are you sure you've been further educated? I seriously have my doubts. Balogna was just a fruit picking summer while back-packing, no? You ARE blind, pofaced frightbat mothra wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 9:50am: Frank wrote on Aug 1st, 2023 at 9:49am: No balance: why I feel cheated by Dark Emu ‘documentary’ The Dark Emu film is biased towards one side of the debate, that of Bruce Pascoe. At several points it turns into propaganda; a wasted opportunity for better understanding of Australia’s long and complex human past. By PETER SUTTON The Dark Emu Story is a recently released film produced by Blackfella Films for the ABC and directed by Allan Clarke. I won’t call it a “documentary” because, although it starts pretty well, by the time it gets to the end, certain segments fail to reflect the values underlying a good documentary: balance, fairness and respect for reliable records as against unfounded speculation. At the centre of the film is Bruce Pascoe’s 2014 book, Dark Emu. In 2021, archaeologist Keryn Walshe and I published a detailed assessment of Pascoe’s claims as compared with the evidence (our book’s short title is Farmers or Hunter-gatherers?). The film is biased towards one side of the debate, the side of Bruce Pascoe. At several points it turns into propaganda. This is the opposite of the much-stressed independence and even-handedness Blackfella Films promised in our pre-filming discussions. It becomes a puff piece for Pascoe. Having appeared in the film in good faith, both Walshe and I have had our trust in Clarke and Blackfella Films abused. Worst of all the film depicts us as racists by association with right-wing shock jocks. Marcia Langton associates us with the colonial anthropology of 100 years ago. The film was a set-up. A case of bad faith. One of the many film moments shot – but not included in the end result – was my firm disassociation from Andrew Bolt. I am against his personal attacks, including those on Pascoe. I am also against Langton’s personal attacks, as in this case. Very few of my challenges to Pascoe, filmed in Sydney’s Mitchell Library, got through to the final cut. For example, I asked him why no First Nations people were quoted in his book. Direct evidence from people with knowledge of traditional hunting, collecting and eco-management was something Walshe and I had no difficulty drawing on in our book. Perhaps Pascoe’s answers in the Mitchell were not good enough. The film starts pretty well, but later loses the promised thread, goes bush for some luscious cinematography, dwells on a current archaeological project, and towards the end becomes a platform for an abusive and disrespectful tirade from Marcia Langton. Langton presents the poor viewer with a fictional pastiche of our book and then attacks this straw being viciously. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/why-i-feel-cheated-by-dark-emu-doco/news-story/f41ff5448cf6017691be1cbd7c957e21 That's  what earned Mothra's high praise for this agit-prop bilge from the ABC. Yeah, Peter Sutton was kind of humiliated in it, though most graciously. Yeah but that's not what i told you to cite your source's on, now is it. Why are you lying now, old boy? The three consecutive posts are the entire article, ya excruciatingly idiotic, pofaced frightbat.  But you knew that.  No it wasn't. Why lie?

Well, go back and check, excruciatingly idiotic, pofaced frightbint.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1688882111/72#72

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1688882111/72#74

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1688882111/72#76

Why not have symbolic constitutional recognition and a legislated voice? The former would be overwhelmingly supported and the latter doesn't need a referendum, only a parliamentary debate.

Because a legislated Voice and symbolic recognition would be no basis for co-sovereignty and subsequent treaty between two sovereign bodies, the Aborigines and the rest of Australia.

This referendum is not about Voice to parliament which could be legislated. It is about establishing Aborigines in the Constitution as fundamentally and essentially separate from the rest of the Australian body politic. THAT separateness is what Aborigines want to establish in the Basic Law. From then on, the legal work of co-sovereignty for such a separate body of people can begin.

This is why the Voice is described BOTH as a small change in the Constitution ( because it could easily be legislated) AND momentous because it would establish the fundamental separation of Aborigines and the rest.

Frank wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 12:57pm:

Why not have symbolic constitutional recognition and a legislated voice? The former would be overwhelmingly supported and the latter doesn't need a referendum, only a parliamentary debate. Because a legislated Voice and symbolic recognition would be no basis for co-sovereignty and subsequent treaty between two sovereign bodies, the Aborigines and the rest of Australia. This referendum is not about Voice to parliament which could be legislated. It is about establishing Aborigines in the Constitution as fundamentally and essentially separate from the rest of the Australian body politic. THAT separateness is what Aborigines want to establish in the Basic Law. From then on, the legal work of co-sovereignty for such a separate body of people can begin. This is why the Voice is described BOTH as a small change in the Constitution ( because it could easily be legislated) AND momentous because it would establish the fundamental separation of Aborigines and the rest.

Exackery!

It is about sovereignty and treaty, that is the ONLY reason they want it in the constitution.

https://youtu.be/CQc1_s7yXoA

Gabrielle Appleby, UNSW
https://www.unsw.edu.au/staff/gabrielle-appleby

The sequencing of Voice, Treaty, Truth has been given significant thought.

Voice precedes Treaty because fair, modern treaty negotiations require first the establishment of a representative Indigenous body to negotiate the rules of the game with the state. It can’t be left to the state alone, and the state must have a group of people with whom to negotiate.
https://www.unsw.edu.au/newsroom/news/2023/03/the-voice--what-is-it--where-did-it-come-from--and-what-can-it-a


Albo:
It's  not about a treaty.  It's  not about a treaty.  It's  not about a treaty.


Of course it is. But why not be honest about it, Albo??

No treaty without representation!  Referendum or nothing!

Vote NO now to save all the trouble.  The voice proponents must think we're all stupid to fall for that trick.

What's this 'truth'?  Remember the Appin Massacre - the Truth?  Sixteen Whites murdered by ambush and treachery, including women and children, by a marauding band of Blacks who were finally cornered and in a fair fight fourteen of them were killed - NOT including the women and children who were taken into care.

Who do you all cry about?  The tears are sweet..... cry yourselves to death, traitors to the living.

The Australian can reveal Labor’s latest national platform draft, which will be taken to the party’s conference later this month, states: “Labor supports all elements of the Uluru Statement from the Heart, including a constitutionally enshrined voice to parliament, a Makarrata commission for agreement-making and a national process of truth-telling.

“Labor will take steps to ­implement all three elements of the Uluru Statement from the Heart in this term of ­government.”

The Australian understands the government is not planning to pursue the commission before the referendum to be held between October and December.

A Makarrata commission was envisaged by the Uluru Statement as an independent body to “oversee agreement-making and truth-telling”, with Ms Burney in February declaring further details on such processes and on the commission itself were imminent.

An earlier draft of Labor’s platform – which is compiled by a group of Labor MPs, party members and unionists known as the national policy forum – reinforced Labor’s commitment to implementing the Uluru Statement from the Heart in full, but did not include any time frame or specific reference to the Makarrata commission.

Both versions of the platform included a commitment to ensure First Nations people are provided the “opportunities to seek economic benefits from managing and leveraging treaty, native title and Aboriginal and Torres Strait ­Islander land”.

Ms Burney on Tuesday would not say if the government still supported a Makarrata commission to oversee agreement-making and truth-telling.

Deputy Liberal leader Sussan Ley asked twice in question time if the government still backed the commission and queried what exactly it would do, after the government committed $5.8m in last year’s October ­budget to commence work on establishing the independent body.

Ms Burney responded by saying the 2023 referendum was about constitutional recognition through a voice, prompting Speaker Milton Dick to invite her to return to Ms Ley’s question.

The Minister would not ­answer the question, instead quoting NRL legend Johnathan Thurston from the Yes pamphlet on the voice.

Ms Burney finished her ­answer with: “I say to Australians, vote Yes for unity, hope and to make a positive difference.”

Ms Ley said Ms Burney’s failure to answer questions was “not acceptable and not the standard we should accept from a minister of any government”.

“Asked time and time again she refused to confirm if she was still committed to Makarrata, even as the taxpayer, at her direction, is ploughing millions of dollars into it,” she said.

Speaking later to Sky News, Ms Ley said: “I don’t think I’ve seen such an incompetent performance in my parliamentary lifetime.”

Peter Dutton also ramped up his attack against Mr Albanese over the voice, saying his credibility was at stake and he was conducting a “tricky tap dance” on the referendum.

The Opposition Leader told the Coalition party room the Prime Minister had made the commitment to the Uluru Statement from the Heart in full more than 34 times.

“The government clearly has to implement the whole of the Uluru Statement from the Heart,” the Opposition Leader told the joint partyroom.

“We all want better outcomes for Indigenous Australians but the voice is no guarantee that this will be delivered, and may indeed be a risk to effective government in the future. What the government’s proposing is not in our country’s best interests.”

Facing sustained questioning from the Coalition, Mr Albanese accused the No campaign of talking about things that were irrelevant to the referendum, saying it exposed the weakness of their case.

https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/561930767066bde6f3623449738fa877

Ms Burney in February said the government was committed to implementing the Uluru Statement from the Heart in full, foreshadowing an announcement on the Makarrata commission within weeks.

“The Uluru Statement … asks for voice, treaty and truth. In the next couple of weeks we will be making announcements about a Makarrata commission and how we are going to advance treaty and truth,” she told a the ABC’s Party Room podcast.

In response to questions from The Australian on whether the government still supported a Makarrata commission, a spokesman for Ms Burney said: “the government’s focus is on the referendum and on achieving constitutional recognition through a voice”.

Greens First Nations spokeswoman, Dorinda Cox, said the government needed to make good on its promise at the election to establish a Makarrata commission.

“The government made a $27.7m election commitment to Makarrata and we expect them to follow through on that,” she said.

“We understand the government is committed to implementing the Uluru Statement from the Heart in full.”

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/labors-national-platform-reveals-treaty-to-be-pursued-this-term-of-government/news-story/58071870c459b30fe30ebd8c3d3eec1b

So it IS about bunging an Aboriginal body politic - an excision of a separate part Australian society  from the whole - into the Constitution and the negotiating a treaty with it as with a separate, sovereign entity.

Indigenous Australians Minister Linda Burney says Australians will not hear new details of the Makarrata Project until after the referendum for an Indigenous voice to parliament has been held.

“The government of this country supports the Uluru Statement from the Heart, and the Uluru Statement has three elements,” Mr Burney said during question time.
“The first request is for a voice to parliament which is what the referendum will be about this year. It then refers to a makarrata for truth telling and agreement making.

“Progress of Makarrata will not occur until after the referendum.

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Indigenous Australians Minister Linda Burney says Australians will not hear new details of the Makarrata Project until after the referendum for an Indigenous voice to parliament has been held.

“The government of this country supports the Uluru Statement from the Heart, and the Uluru Statement has three elements,” Mr Burney said during question time.
“The first request is for a voice to parliament which is what the referendum will be about this year. It then refers to a makarrata for truth telling and agreement making.

“Progress of Makarrata will not occur until after the referendum.

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Boris wrote on Aug 5^th, 2023 at 4:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 5th, 2023 at 3:56pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Such Racist bullshit you peddle, Matty.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) It is much more than a modest change - it is huge They will divide Parliament House into 3 and the Voice will be equal to the Senate and the House of Reps This is dangerous The Voice is evil and will destroy my country - not a "Modest Request" https://www.skynews.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Credlin-Editorial-PDF-2.pdf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMcbDVuaHM4&t=37s

On the NIAA website under their  FOI disclosure log


https://www.niaa.gov.au/pmc/accountability-and-reporting/freedom-information/national-indigenous-australians-agency/financial-year-2022-23/127997

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It was done by stealth

Albo and Labor are liars

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/6924/ZAppQd.jpg

Boris wrote on Aug 6^th, 2023 at 11:45am:

It was done by stealth Albo and Labor are liars

That is why this referendum must fail. Albo is not honest. Perhaps nobody on the Socialist Left is honest.

He should have called for a constitutional convention on the Uluru proposal, publicly discuss  what Voice,  Treaty and Truth mean and then put it to a referendum IF THE convention agrees on an amendment, in separate questions, rather than dishonestly and sneakily combining recognition and Voice in a single clause.

A recognition clause would sail through. A voice legislation, after an audit of existing Aboriginal funding and functions, could be enacted.

A treaty is still absurd because there are still no Aborigines to treaty with. The remote, least colonised full blods have no recognisable in ble cross-tribal structures of authority to negotiate on behalf of every Aborigine. The city Aborigines are mostly more Anglo and Irish than most of the rest of the population.

Frank wrote on Aug 6^th, 2023 at 5:37pm:
That is why this referendum must succeed. The Right is not honest. Perhaps nobody on the Right is honest.

Which side of politics is facing court proceedings?  The Liberal-National side from the Robodebt fiasco.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

The Uluru Statement in full

Stealth

Frightening


https://www.niaa.gov.au/pmc/accountability-and-reporting/freedom-information/national-indigenous-australians-agency/financial-year-2022-23/127997

Frank wrote on Aug 1^st, 2023 at 5:47pm:

It is about sovereignty and treaty, that is the ONLY reason they want it in the constitution. https://youtu.be/CQc1_s7yXoA Gabrielle Appleby, UNSW https://www.unsw.edu.au/staff/gabrielle-appleby The sequencing of Voice, Treaty, Truth has been given significant thought. Voice precedes Treaty because fair, modern treaty negotiations require first the establishment of a representative Indigenous body to negotiate the rules of the game with the state. It can’t be left to the state alone, and the state must have a group of people with whom to negotiate. https://www.unsw.edu.au/newsroom/news/2023/03/the-voice--what-is-it--where-did-it-come-from--and-what-can-it-a Albo: It's  not about a treaty.  It's  not about a treaty.  It's  not about a treaty. Of course it is. But why not be honest about it, Albo??

"Anthony Albanese says there is nothing to fear from the second stage of the Uluru Statement from the Heart – a proposed Makarrata commission often referred to as treaty for short"
So Albo,  after saying for so long  that the voice had nothing to do with a treaty, is now saying it is the first step to a treaty.

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 6^th, 2023 at 10:19pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 6th, 2023 at 5:37pm: That is why this referendum must fail. The Right is not honest. Perhaps nobody on the Right is honest. Which side of politics is facing court proceedings?  The Liberal-National side from the Robodebt fiasco.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Good to see you have realised that the referendum must fail, cockwomble.

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 2:03pm:

Voice conspiracy theory rubbished as Coalition continues to question length of Uluru Statement from the Heart >:(

When the lefty cockwombles like Bbwian and the ABC cry 'conspiracy theory'you know their ball/tits are caught in a vice.

To support her claim, Credlin quoted multiple statements – made over a four-year period – from Referendum Working Group member and one of the authors of the Uluru Statement Megan Davis.

“Here’s Professor Megan Davis, one of the Uluru Statement’s authors, denying the PM’s claim that it’s just one page, in her 2018 Parkes Oration:

In her 2018 Parkes Oration: "The Uluru Statement from the Heart isn’t just the first one-page statement; it’s actually a very lengthy document of about 18 to 20 pages, and a very powerful part of this document reflects what happened in the dialogues."

In a 2022 article in The Australian: "The Uluru Statement… is occasionally mistaken as merely a one-page document… in totality (it) is closer to 18 pages and includes… a lengthy narrative called 'Our Story'".

In a webinar for the Australian Institute in August 2022: "It's actually like 18 pages, the Uluru Statement. People only read the first"

At the recent Sydney Peace Prize award ceremony: "It's very important for Australians to read the statement, and the statement is also much bigger it's actually 18 Pages"

From Davis's Parkes Oration, 2018:

The Uluru Statement from the Heart
The Uluru Statement from the Heart isn't just the first one-page statement; it's actually a very lengthy
document of about 18 to 20 pages, and a very powerful part of this document reflects what happened in
the dialogues. On the first day each region shared really specific nuanced stories about Australian
history and Aboriginal history in their region and together we drafted what we called ‘Our Story’,
which is the Aboriginal version of Australian history. I'm just going to share the initial part that talks
about the issue of sovereignty, and why we can't move to an Australian republic before addressing this
issue.
The Uluru Statement, ‘Our Story’, starts as follows:

Our First Nations are extraordinarily diverse cultures living in an astounding array of environments,
multilingual across many hundreds of languages and dialects. The continent was occupied by our
people and the footprints of our ancestors traverse the entire landscape. Our songlines covered vast
distances, uniting peoples in shared stories and religion. The entire land and seascape is named and
the cultural memory of our old people is written there. This rich diversity of our origins was
eventually ruptured by colonization, violent dispossession and the struggle to survive a relentless
inhumanity that has marked our common history.
The First Nations Regional Dialogues on constitutional reform bore witness to our shared stories.
All stories start with our Law.

The Law
We have coexisted as First Nations on this land for at least 60 thousand years. Our sovereignty pre-
existed the Australian state and has survived it.
“We have never ever seated ceded our sovereignty.” (Sydney)
The unfinished business of Australia's nationhood includes recognizing the ancient jurisdictions of
First Nations law.
“The connection between language, the culture, the land and the enduring nature of Aboriginal
law is fundamental to any consideration of constitutional recognition.” (Ross River)
Every nation has its own word for the Law: Tjukurrpa is the Anangu word for the Law; the Meriam
people of Mer refer to Malo’s Law. With substantive constitutional change and reform, we believe
this surviving and underlying First Nations sovereignty can more effectively and powerfully shine
through as a fuller expression of Australia's nationhood.
The Law was violated by the coming of the British to Australia. This truth needs to be told.
Invasion
Australia was not a settlement and it was not discovery. It was an invasion.
“Cook did not discover us because we saw him. We were telling each other with smoke, yet in his
diary, he said ‘discovered’.” (Torres Strait)
“Australia must acknowledge its history, its true history. Not Captain Cook. What happened all
across Australia: the massacres and the wars .If that were taught in schools, we might have one
nation where we are all together.” (Darwin)
The invasion that started at Botany Bay is the origin of the fundamental grievance between the old
and new Australians – that Australia was colonized without the consent of its rightful owners. Now
is an opportunity for the First Nations to tell the truth about history in our own voices and from our
own point of view, and for mainstream Australians to hear those voices and to reconsider what they
know and understand about their nation's history. This will be challenging, but the truth about
invasion needs to be told.
“In order for meaningful change to happen Australian society generally needs to work on itself
and to know the truth of its own history.” (Brisbane)
People repeatedly emphasized the need for truth and justice and for non-Aboriginal Australians to
take responsibility for that history, and this legacy it has created.
https://parkesfoundation.org.au/?s=Megan+davis&submit=Search
[url]https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bigideas/indigenous-recognition-as-a-step-t

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 6^th, 2023 at 10:19pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 6th, 2023 at 5:37pm: That is why this referendum must succeed. The Right is not honest. Perhaps nobody on the Right is honest. Which side of politics is facing court proceedings?  The Liberal-National side from the Robodebt fiasco.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Reaching ...... no relevance....... thing is, Brian - it is not the 'Liberal-National ' side that is opposing this nonsensical voice - it is the ordinary people of Australia, who despise the 'right' side as much as they are now learning to despise the 'left' side - and for the same reasons - poor leadership, total self-interest and lies.

I TOLD YOU SO - told you that the Abbott government would be a watershed in Australian politics - then I TOLD YOU SO that the Albanese government would be another watershed in Australian politics.  So far I'm on 300 runs and still not out ....

And don't forget the ludicrous claims of falsely created Artificial Intelligence Black people saying they oppose the voice - that's a reach too far.... still waiting for the answer to the simple question on that - 'SHOW ME!'

Funny thing is - that kind of paranoia is spreading... on another forum in discussion of cross dressers prattling queer to tiny tots in pre-schools etc - when I posted a very sympathetic interview with the owner of a business that actually engaged in that on NBC news (from memory NBC) - and that interview showed the written mission statement of that 'business' which was clearly to indoctrinate children into queer - the response from an apologist was that this just had to be a false thing inserted via AI.  Soon the cries of 'conspiracy' will become part of the clamour of 'right wing extremist' and so forth, in the inimitable American style wherein agreeing with or disagreeing with a single tenet of faith of one side will either include you totally as a rabid supporter of one side or exclude you totally as a rabid supporter of the 'other side'.  It's a form of madness.

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'Highly misleading' viral video shared by One Nation's Pauline Hanson sparks racial abuse in Voice to Parliament debate >:(

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 11^th, 2023 at 12:45pm:

'Highly misleading' viral video shared by One Nation's Pauline Hanson sparks racial abuse in Voice to Parliament debate >:(

Not at all misleading.
Well, perhaps for a bozo like you, Bbwian, but not for the sane and the thinking.

Is the Uluru Statement from the Heart one page, or 26? Here are the facts [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 11^th, 2023 at 12:45pm:

'Highly misleading' viral video shared by One Nation's Pauline Hanson sparks racial abuse in Voice to Parliament debate >:(

Well then - show us the full length movie...... the stupid bint still says the same....

The whole problem is - NOBODY should own any foreshore and the concept of Native Title needs to be absolutely cleared up and preferably ditched entirely.  When people retire where they can just walk to the water and cast a line or water - and some moron in some government department or 'court' suddenly shuts them off from public land - they WILL be angry

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 11^th, 2023 at 1:01pm:

Is the Uluru Statement from the Heart one page, or 26? Here are the facts [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

So all those other bits in that 26 pages are worthless but expensive hot air and Albo is now prepared to promise us all that NOT ONE WORD OF THEM will ever see the light of day in 'negotations' (one-sided) over the 'next steps'?

Will the Prime Minister commit to this IN WRITING so the Australian people can hold him to account should he fail to keep his promise, including law suits?

Will the Prime Minister commit IN WRITING to the basic promise that ONLY what is shown in his one page will be even subject to any negotiation and that ALL stakeholders - including a majority presence of non-Indigenous Australians - will have a proper and full say?

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 11^th, 2023 at 1:01pm:

Is the Uluru Statement from the Heart one page, or 26? Here are the facts [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

You cannot possibly believe this guff, Bbwian.

Not even you.

No way.

"Politicians of bad faith like Pauline Hanson and the Coalition, who are on a unity ticket, are pointing to a Henry Parkes Oration I gave in 2018, where I say the Uluru Statement is not only the one pager, that there's 18-20 more pages for Australians to read," she wrote.



She said it - but but but.   Humpty Dumpty in Alice in ****ing Dreamtime.
"When I say not a one pager I mean it is a one pager.or vica vera. And I'm a pwofessow of law at the Kensington Tech, dont you know. Oh yes"

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Brian Ross wrote on Aug 11^th, 2023 at 9:37pm:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img673/4087/gIlzsx.jpg

Oh? You DO believe it?

No wonder you come here just to be humiliated. You like it. You cant get enough of it.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/4148/LB9BRl.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG0wytoLuI0

I'll take the British any time over some naked savage from the Stone Age.

Good one - The Silence .....

The only people telling lies are you, Matty and Soren. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9Khu44d0Iw

Alan Jones - what a WOFTAM.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 11^th, 2023 at 10:41pm:

The only people telling lies are you, Matty and Soren. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

It - the Voice - is not one page - it is over 26 pages

To say it is one page is to lie

The Voice includes Makarrata - revenge - Treaty - separatism - and Truth telling - Propaganda

This Government is a total disgrace

He has mislead the Parliament

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZIHaZ5nNA8

You debate you abuse and devalue and cancel people

You are a Tyrant

https://www.skynews.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Credlin-Editorial-PDF-2.pdf

This is the document obtained under FOI - not Credlin's editorial.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 12^th, 2023 at 12:22am:

https://www.skynews.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Credlin-Editorial-PDF-2.pdf This is the document obtained under FOI - not Credlin's editorial.

Megan Davis was a "young and naive" lawyer when she made the Parkes Oration, saying the Uluru statement is not just one page.
And it was at a 'Turnbull rejection period" anyway.

The latest truth is that NOW it's only one page and anyone who says otherwise is desperate and quite possibly racist and in cahoots with the forces of darkness.

Humour noted.  The final solution on Albo's wall might be one page -the entire document on which it is based - with massive flaws starting from page one - and on which that final advertising poster is built - is another thing entirely.

This is like seeing a poster of a movie and assuming that this is the entire movie... perhaps an alien would think that...

Marcia Lamington promised no more welcome to country or smoking ceremonies if the Referddidumms fails.

I can't think of a more compelling reason for voting NO.

Voice conspiracy theory rubbished as Coalition continues to question length of Uluru Statement from the Heart

Proponents of the No campaign, including politicians and members of the Australians for Unity group, have this week repeated claims first spruiked online that the Uluru Statement from the Heart is a 26-page document.

That's despite the official one-page signed document being publicly available online for seven years.



Megan Davis:

The Uluru Statement from the Heart isn't just the first one-page statement; it's actually a very lengthy
document of about 18 to 20 pages, and a very powerful part of this document reflects what happened in
the dialogues.
https://parkesfoundation.org.au/activities/orations/2018-oration/


Megan Davis
The Uluṟu Statement in totality is closer to 18 pages and includes several pages of the legal reasoning for a constitutional voice and also a lengthy narrative called “Our Story”, the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander story of Australia.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/its-time-australia-knows-our-story/news-story/6e6028fa53323c53caf4a38afc750403

Hanson
You will never hear the truth from Albanese about his risky, divisive Voice. The truth is it's a tool for race-based treaty.
https://twitter.com/PaulineHansonOz/status/1696746492743282765

Pearson
"A process of treaty between the First Nations of this country and the Commonwealth of Australia...will need a Voice to represent the First Nations...That is why a constitutional voice is imperative." -Noel Pearson
https://twitter.com/PaulineHansonOz/status/1696709082005299618


Albo
“It doesn’t even say that (treaty) in the Uluru Statement from the Heart. It doesn’t say that, it doesn’t speak about the Commonwealth negotiating treaties. It doesn’t say that Patricia, so don’t get sucked into (the No campaign argument),” Mr Albanese responded.


Howard
John Howard calls on No Indigenous voice to parliament supporters to maintain their rage
“If the voice gets up, there will be plenty of people saying the next thing is a treaty,” Mr Howard told Sky News Australia host Sharri Markson.  “I think that of all the absurdities coming out of this debate, there is nothing more absurd than the notion of making a treaty with Indigenous. 
“How can you make a treaty with yourself? Treaties are made between sovereign nations.”

The bludgers will cash in on Aussie suckers:


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Frank wrote on Aug 14^th, 2023 at 3:52pm:

Voice conspiracy theory rubbished as Coalition continues to question length of Uluru Statement from the Heart Proponents of the No campaign, including politicians and members of the Australians for Unity group, have this week repeated claims first spruiked online that the Uluru Statement from the Heart is a 26-page document. That's despite the official one-page signed document being publicly available online for seven years. Megan Davis: The Uluru Statement from the Heart isn't just the first one-page statement; it's actually a very lengthy document of about 18 to 20 pages, and a very powerful part of this document reflects what happened in the dialogues. https://parkesfoundation.org.au/activities/orations/2018-oration/ Megan Davis The Uluṟu Statement in totality is closer to 18 pages and includes several pages of the legal reasoning for a constitutional voice and also a lengthy narrative called “Our Story”, the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander story of Australia. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/its-time-australia-knows-our-story/news-story/6e6028fa53323c53caf4a38afc750403

The Uluru Statement | Pauline Hanson's Please Explain

This week Anthony Albanese announced that the vote for his Voice to Parliament will be held on the 14th of October.

As the campaign to defeat his risky and divisive Voice begins in earnest, it’s important to understand what to expect from the Yes campaign’s tactics and tricks.

As the No campaign continues to defend equality and freedom, the desperate Yes campaign is preparing to unleash a flood of insults, smears, gaslighting, and lies.

Just look at how Albanese handled the debate about this episode’s topic, the full Uluru statement from the heart.
https://twitter.com/PaulineHansonOz/status/1697353535770538238


Very good.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_tUPWKvsnJM&si=j3NgCARhqy-R8MQl

There are many good reasons to Vote No to Albanese's risky, divisive, race-based Voice and most of them come directly from those who designed Albanese's Voice.

Despite Albanese's desperate lies, the truth is out there for all to see.

Voice and Treaty and "inexorably linked". Treaty will lead to decades of costly legal challenges to be paid for by the taxpayer, followed by demands for control of land and demands for more taxpayer dollars for "reparations".

It is time for all Australians who value equality and fairness to vote no to endless division, endless lawfare, endless hate and conflict.

The only way to stop this nightmare is to Vote No to Albanese's Voice.

https://twitter.com/PaulineHansonOz/status/1699562111503094065


The yes campaign is based on deliberate lies and concealment.


Shifty buggers.

Frank wrote on Sep 7^th, 2023 at 7:55pm:

There are many good reasons to Vote No to Albanese's risky, divisive, race-based Voice and most of them come directly from those who designed Albanese's Voice. Despite Albanese's desperate lies, the truth is out there for all to see. Voice and Treaty and "inexorably linked". Treaty will lead to decades of costly legal challenges to be paid for by the taxpayer, followed by demands for control of land and demands for more taxpayer dollars for "reparations". It is time for all Australians who value equality and fairness to vote no to endless division, endless lawfare, endless hate and conflict. The only way to stop this nightmare is to Vote No to Albanese's Voice. https://twitter.com/PaulineHansonOz/status/1699562111503094065 The yes campaign is based on deliberate lies and concealment. Shifty buggers.

Hear! Hear!

And a respected Aboriginal Elder (Bessie Price) has spoken out against the Voice today also 👇

I will be voting No and I urge all Australians with a conscience, whatever their religion, to do the same. I am sick of burying our children, seeing education denied to them, seeing them incarcerated, living in dire poverty and taken from families that don’t know how to care for them. We want real solutions and decision-makers willing to listen to all of us, whatever our politics and the languages we speak.

We need open ears, not a constitutionally embedded, bureaucratised, highly selective Voice set up and run by those who have controlled the narrative and the funds for decades while everything got worse for us.

"The Voice is inexorably linked to a coordinated approach to agreement making or treaty."

"The Uluru statement is actually 18 pages."

"It's all about big law firms, a lot of litigation being generated to interpret a treaty."

-Megan Davis

https://twitter.com/PaulineHansonOz/status/1699166510642802933

https://youtu.be/JFxR9AD-fkQ?si=qAVFlB7mDOLmC6on

They are all lying, all the time.