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rip

... and the Little People ....

This is  a claim, primarily by the ignorant.  There is no evidence that the Indigenous did any such thing.  None what so ever.  No remains amongst midden mounds, caves, etc.  Most of the Megafauna were dead before the arrival of the Indigenous on the continent.  More than likely because of climate change which they were not adaptable to.  So, run away Racist one and try and blame something else on the Indigenous people.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 2:05pm:

This is  a claim, primarily by the ignorant.  There is no evidence that the Indigenous did any such thing.  None what so ever.  No remains amongst midden mounds, caves, etc.  Most of the Megafauna were dead before the arrival of the Indigenous on the continent.  More than likely because of climate change which they were not adaptable to.  So, run away Racist one and try and blame something else on the Indigenous people.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Any evidence, cockwomble?

And what caused THAT climate change?? Anthropogenic burning of lands as a way of hunting?

What about the written reports of the extermination of the Little People?

Hmmm - megafauna died out 40,000 years ago - the time span seems to be contracting again... but anyway - we don't give special citizenships out based on seniority.

Once a citizen always a citizen - always have been - always will be.... no foreign sovereignties accepted ...

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 2:05pm:

This is  a claim, primarily by the ignorant.  There is no evidence that the Indigenous did any such thing.  None what so ever.  No remains amongst midden mounds, caves, etc.  Most of the Megafauna were dead before the arrival of the Indigenous on the continent.  More than likely because of climate change which they were not adaptable to.  So, run away Racist one and try and blame something else on the Indigenous people.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

;D

You are so full of crap Brian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_megafauna

Many modern researchers, including Tim Flannery, think that with the arrival of early Aboriginal Australians (around 70,000~65,000 years ago), hunting and the use of fire to manage their environment may have contributed to the extinction of the megafauna.

New evidence based on accurate optically stimulated luminescence and uranium-thorium dating of megafaunal remains suggests that humans were the ultimate cause of the extinction for some of the megafauna in Australia.

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 2:05pm:

This is  a claim, primarily by the ignorant.  There is no evidence that the Indigenous did any such thing.  None what so ever.  No remains amongst midden mounds, caves, etc.  Most of the Megafauna were dead before the arrival of the Indigenous on the continent.  More than likely because of climate change which they were not adaptable to.  So, run away Racist one and try and blame something else on the Indigenous people.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Not that racist tag again?

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/106/431/712/original/c7ed69907e199816.jpg


dear Brian,
with your many university degrees a higher standard is expected from you.
FD has proven you wrong with a simple Google search.   tsk tsk    ::)   ::)

Of course they wiped out the megafauna, as all migrating human groups did after migration out of Africa.

African megafauna evolved with humans and so they evolved an instinctive fear of humans, hence many megafauna species still exist there.

The same wasn't true of megafauna in Europe, Asia, Australia and the Americas, where they not only had no instinctive fear of humans, but they would also attempt to predate on humans - given that they had not evolved an instinct for wariness of sapiens' intelligence.

But, please... When it comes to established cultures in Asia and Europe, collectively all of them, during the last 500 years, have driven more species to extinction or near-extinction than aboriginal peoples would have done in 60,000 years.

No Megafauna remains have been found in any middens, in caves, anywhere with Indigenous marks on them.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 3:14pm:

No Megafauna remains have been found in any middens, in caves, anywhere with Indigenous marks on them.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

The likelihood that they did not encounter dangerous megafauna with no instinctive fear of humans is nil.

The chances that they did not defend themselves against these animals to the point of driving them to extinction if necessary is likely nil - and nevermind the ones that were easy to catch and eat.

Why would the aboriginal experience with megafauna be any different to those encounters by migrating Asiatics into the Americas and Neanderthals, Denisovans and Sapiens into Europe and Asia?

Ancient migrating hunter-gatherers were not conservationists - they were survivalists.

No Megafauna remains have been found in any middens, in caves, anywhere with Indigenous marks on them.  No evidence.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 3:34pm:

No Megafauna remains have been found in any middens, in caves, anywhere with Indigenous marks on them.  No evidence.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Just a few dinosaur bones and stuff, though....

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 3:34pm:

No Megafauna remains have been found in any middens, in caves, anywhere with Indigenous marks on them.  No evidence.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Abbos killed the Megafauna - it's undeniable.

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 3:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 3:34pm: No Megafauna remains have been found in any middens, in caves, anywhere with Indigenous marks on them.  No evidence.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Just a few dinosaur bones and stuff, though....

Another ignorant myth.  No Dinosaurs lived at the time humans have. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 3:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 3:34pm: No Megafauna remains have been found in any middens, in caves, anywhere with Indigenous marks on them.  No evidence.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Abbos killed the Megafauna - it's undeniable.

Where is the evidence, Bobby?  Where?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

I guess Brian is trying to tell us abos were too stupid/lazy to wipe out the megafauna as every other humans who encountered them did.

Why does Brian hate aBbboos so much?

Gordon wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 4:11pm:

I guess Brian is trying to tell us abos were too stupid/lazy to wipe out the megafauna as every other humans who encountered them did. Why does Brian hate aBbboos so much?

Run along, Gordon.  Your stirring doesn't belong here.  I do not hate anybody.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 3:51pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 3:38pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 3:34pm: No Megafauna remains have been found in any middens, in caves, anywhere with Indigenous marks on them.  No evidence.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Just a few dinosaur bones and stuff, though.... Another ignorant myth.  No Dinosaurs lived at the time humans have. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

I admit that I have not bothered researching the topic of megafauna in Australia. However, I was not saying that all megafauna was around at the time of indigenous settlement of Australia. Nor was I saying that dinosaurs were around at any time near the inception of humans. I would be saying that megafauna in Australia were around before the ancestors of Indigenous Australians boated their way from the Torres Straits to Australia.

If you want to say that indigenous people have been in Australia for the last 65,000 years, it would not be unforeseeable that they could have been a considerable reason for the wiping out some megafauna 45,000 years ago.

Kangaroos, wombats, emus, goannas, crocodiles, etc., at the only megafauna left in Australia still in existence. Perhaps the ancient indigenous people and those examples of megafauna could not co-exist with certain other megafauna that became extinct.

https://phys.org/news/2017-01-humans-climate-australian-megafauna.html

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 4:14pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 4:11pm: I guess Brian is trying to tell us abos were too stupid/lazy to wipe out the megafauna as every other humans who encountered them did. Why does Brian hate aBbboos so much? Run along, Gordon.  Your stirring doesn't belong here.  I do not hate anybody.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) ::)

Why do you hate abos so much to suggest they're too stupid/lazy to kill and eat a big yummy megafauna that doesn't even run away?

Brian is autistic.

Humans killed most of Australia’s megafauna: study

https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/news/2017/01/humans-killed-most-of-australias-megafauna-study/

Could you even consider that indigenous people 60,000 years ago would have targeted the megafauna of the time, Brian?

Ancient hunter-gatherers did not just wander blindly across the continents out of Africa, they followed animal herds for hunting and survival.

The further they travelled from Africa, the easier it was to hunt those animals with no instinctive fear of Neanderthals, Denisovans and Sapiens.

Similarly, they would have encountered megafauna carnivores with no instinctive fear as well. Migrating humans would have needed to keep these animals away from settlements and hunting territories by either killing them or depriving them of prey.

where the f_ck was the voice to parliament for the diprotodons when they needed it

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Key Point [quote]Tim Flannery: Megafauna was killed off quite quickly by the Aborigines when they arrived in Australia sometime between 40,000 and 60,000 years ago.

     

David Bowman:
There is no compelling evidence that Aboriginal colonisation of Australia actually coincided with the extinction of the megafauna. Even if it did, I don't think there was a high enough population density of Aborigines in the past and they did not have the technological capacity to cover the landscape efficiently enough to exterminate the megafauna. Mathematical simulations substantiate this point of view. It should be remembered that it becomes increasingly difficult to kill off species as their populations are reduced to low levels because of the extra hunting effort required to find the last remaining animals. More recently, in the attempt to exterminate megafauna such as buffaloes from regions of the Northern Territory, humans on their own - even with helicopters and guns - haven't been able to do it.. How could Aborigines, armed basically with only a spear and a boomerang? I think there are other important factors such as environmental and climactic changes known to have been occurring during the last ice-age when the megafauna became extinct.

Lesley Head:
There are two issues here - the timing and the cause of death. The blitzkrieg theory precludes any prolonged period of coexistence and requires extinction within one or two thousand years of human arrival. Even if we reject all the later dates for megafaunal survival, they were still present 28,000 years ago at Cuddie Springs. There is hardly any evidence of Aborigines killing megafauna. The best evidence comes from Cuddie Springs and even there it may be butchering of dying animals rather than hunting of live ones.

Judith Field:
I suspect that, at Cuddie Springs, there were a range of factors aiding in the extinction of the megafauna, but I think that climate was probably the driving force. I do not think that humans were the main agent, because there is evidence of co existence between humans and megafauna over long periods of time - which knocks Flannery's blitzkrieg theory on the head. The fossils - artefacts and bones- that we have uncovered at Cuddie Springs suggest that humans and megafauna lived together for several thousands of years. Stone tools found at the site from sediments dated to more than 31,000 years old, indicate butchering of animals. Blood has been found on some of the tools and the burnt bones of an extinct kangaroo are also present. More than five species of megafauna have been identified in the archaeological levels, including Diprotodon, Genyornis and Sthenurus bones. The presence of grinding stones is further evidence that the local people relied on a varied diet. Current evidence indicates that by 19,000 years ago, around the time of the last Ice Age, megafauna had disappeared from the site.

Jim Kohen:
In trying to unravel the factors which led to megafaunal extinction, we are faced with several major difficulties. The biggest problem lies with the dating of the various extinction. There may have been 20,000 years of co-habitation between Aborigines and megafauna which does not suggest a rapid extinction caused by human hunting. Nor do we know the distribution or population density of people and animals across the landscape during the Pleistocene. We do not know how or even if the Aborigines hunted the megafauna and there is no evidence that they had the tools 40,000 years ago to kill the megafauna . The strongest evidence seems to suggest that climate change was the dominant factor and that the additional pressure of an Aboriginal presence may have tipped the balance in favour of extinction rather than recovery after the last glacial maximum, when their numbers were already weakened by lack of food and water

Rod Wells:
There are many theories about megafaunal extinction but none of them are proven. We've seen extinction of these large animals throughout the world towards the end of the Pleistocene Epoch, (which lasted from around 2 million till 10,000 years ago).That extinction has generally been correlated with the spread of human beings across the surface of the globe. The immediate inference is that humans are the agents responsible for their extinction. But it is also a period that correlates with major climatic change associated with global glaciation. There is speculation that the last ice age was particularly severe. While most of Northern Europe was buried under thick layer of ice, much of the vast continent of Australia became a cold, dry and windy place. Sand dunes spread across Bass Strait as far as north west Tasmania. According to this theory, humans would find refuge in the same pockets of temperate conditions occupied by the surviving megafauna, possibly eliminating them directly or indirectly by their very presence.

     
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Tim Flannery: The Australian landscape was changed by the impact of huge uncontrolled fires - a direct consequence of the build up of uneaten vegetation, following the demise of the megafauna.      Fire

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Lesley Head: This argument depends on accepting evidence for Aboriginal burning that is controversial in its own right, but also problematic in terms of timing. To be a consequence of the build up of uneaten vegetation, it had to have happened after the suggested blitzkrieg. But the claims for Aboriginal burning on which this hypothesis draws are 140,000 years ago from an offshore site northeast of Cairns and about 120,000 years ago from Lake George near Canberra. Further there is no evidence at a continental scale that huge uncontrolled fires changed the whole landscape. Rod Wells: I agree with Flannery's hypothesis that if you change the fauna (eg kill off the largest animals because they are the easiest to hunt) then you do change the pattern of flora, the undergrowth does get thicker and fire is more likely, but it is fire frequency not necessarily intensity alone that changes the nature of the vegetation. However the megafauna appear to have died out in the last glacial when there was more desert and grass than anything else, and therefore less thick fuel to sustain intensive fire across the whole environment. David Bowman: Aboriginal people entered a continent which had already been on fire for millions of years. They intervened and they changed the habitat balance with their fire management practices and, in doing so conserved some habitats, such as rainforest, that might otherwise have been lost during the extreme aridity that characterised the end of the last ice-age some 10,000 to 20,000 years ago. John Benson: Flannery ignores much evidence that points to climate as being the main determinant in megafauna extinction and vegetation change over millions of years - with major changes occurring since the onset of aridity in Miocene but continuing through the last ice age which coincided with the occupation of Australia by aboriginal people. Fires increased in Australia since the Miocene, so many of the country's species were adapted to fire before the Aborigines arrived. Jim Kohen: This model has a number of problems. For a start, you need to believe that Aborigines and megafauna were spread across the entire continent and that extinction occurred everywhere at the same time, leading to fires right across the continent. There is evidence of burning at Lake George, ACT, dating back 120,000 years. At Lynch's Crater, on the Atherton Tableland, a similar picture emerges, but the date is 38,000 years ago. The question is whether it was a natural phenomenon or caused by humans. As well, the dates for megafauna extinction range from 19,000 years ago to 6,000 years ago.      [quote]Tim Flannery: Fire destroys the rainforests and allows fire resistant eucalypts to spread across the continent. A drier climate change occurs as a result of the change in vegetation

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David Bowman:
We are in agreement that fire does destroy rainforests - but I fundamentally disagree with the idea that the rainforests were destroyed by Aboriginal people on a massive scale. Non-rainforest vegetation, including Eucalypt forests, have been on the continent for millions and millions of years. The biodiversity of these systems is too complex, too cleverly arranged to have come about in only 50,000 years (a mere blink in the course of evolution). The idea that changed fire regimes, whether they are attributed to Aboriginal burning or the alleged build-up of fuel following megafaunal extinction, could have triggered the contraction of the rainforest and the expansion and diversification of the eucalypts, is biologically far-fetched. There is simply not enough time for this to have happened. I believe Aboriginal landscape burning conserved biodiversity. It must be remembered that at the end of the last ice-age only 10,000 years ago, rainforest rapidly expanded throughout Australia - in spite of Aboriginal landscape burning. Whereas Flannery believes that all the existing patches of tropical rainforest are remnants from 50,000 years ago, we know that many are in fact of far more recent origin. For example, rainforests in the monsoon tropics are able to colonise recent landforms like flood plain margins and beach ridges.

John Benson:
There is no evidence that rainforest blanketed vast areas of eastern Australia at the time of Aborigines' arrival in Australia. Rainforest apparently declined in the mid Miocene, around 15 million years ago. By 100,000 years ago it probably occurred in patches more or less where it was present at the time of European settlement - confined to rich soils in NSW, in fire protected sites in the inland, protected valleys in Tasmania and Victoria, on the wetter sections of the coastal plain and highland of tropical Queensland and in patches where soils and hydrological factors were favorable in the Northern Territory. During the last ice age (40,000 - 10,000 years ago) rainforest retreated but has recolonised suitable habitats over the last 10,000 years. Most eucalypts were evolved before humans arrived. Their abundance may have varied due to Aboriginal burning.[/quote]
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John Benson: There is no evidence that rainforest blanketed vast areas of eastern Australia at the time of Aborigines' arrival in Australia. Rainforest apparently declined in the mid Miocene, around 15 million years ago. By 100,000 years ago it probably occurred in patches more or less where it was present at the time of European settlement - confined to rich soils in NSW, in fire protected sites in the inland, protected valleys in Tasmania and Victoria, on the wetter sections of the coastal plain and highland of tropical Queensland and in patches where soils and hydrological factors were favorable in the Northern Territory. During the last ice age (40,000 - 10,000 years ago) rainforest retreated but has recolonised suitable habitats over the last 10,000 years. Most eucalypts were evolved before humans arrived. Their abundance may have varied due to Aboriginal burning. Lesley Head: The rainforests were declining, scherophyll vegetation was increasing and fire was important in the Australian vegetation long before people arrived here. The debate is about whether people accelerated, retarded or made no difference to a process already in train. Three independent lines of evidence now indicate that aridity has been increasing over the last few glacial-interglacial cycles, dating back at least several hundred thousand years. This is a result of processes external to the earth: it is not caused by vegetation change. Throughout this debate it is spurious to talk of the Australian continent as a whole. We have a full range of vegetation types from desert grassland to rainforest and there is no reason to expect that similar conditions will apply across different environments nor that they will all respond the same way to human impacts. Jim Kohen It seems likely that Aboriginal environmental impacts during the Pleistocene are less likely to have played a significant role in the distribution of plants and animals than climate change, whereas during the relative climatic stability of the Holocene, with the adoption of a range of new technologies and the exploitation of a wider range of resources, Aboriginal people may be have had a more dramatic impact. Certainly, in the warmer conditions of the Holocene, Aboriginal burning may have had a much greater effect than at any other time in the past. [quote]      Tim Flannery: Aboriginal way of life was a sophisticated adaptation to the local conditions of their own making - in particular they learned to manage the land by fighting fire with fire and using firestick farming to maintain food supplies and conserve species.

David Bowman:
Scientists are only just beginning to appreciate Aboriginal people as a potent force in nature and to understand their complex social, political and spiritual relationships within the land. They managed Australia in a very clever way. They were not just behaving randomly and they were definitely not pyromaniacs. There was a method to what appeared to European eyes to be madness. Without their management the whole of Australia would not have had the biological diversity that greeted the European explorers and is now cherished by most Australians.

Rod Wells:
I am quite sure that Aborigines changed the frequency of fire and therefore had an impact on the vegetation. But I reject the theory that they were necessarily always an ecologically sensitive race who used fire to manage and care for the land. In truth, by not putting out camp fires, they probably initially destroyed large areas of vegetation and accidentally stumbled upon the use of fire for concentrating and hunting game. In time this may have become a conscious management practise but one that would favour a fire-insensitive vegetation over a fire sensitive one. A practice that would eliminate much of the vegetation upon which the browsing animals depended - ie a practice that would accelerate the change of shrubland to grassland in a glacial arid climate. It is possible that such an accelerated change destroyed habitat and hence the leaf-eating megafauna that depended upon it, while conversely favoring the smaller grass eating animals.

Jim Kohen:
By 6,000 years ago, the sea levels had stabilised around their present levels, and again we find large numbers of sites, particularly coastal sites being occupied for the first time. However even within this period of stable mid-late Holocene sea-levels, there are suggestions that perhaps two distinct stages of occupation occurred , one around 4,000 years ago and another around 1500 years ago. It is clear that Aboriginal responded to the changing climate by changing their spatial distribution across the landscape and by modifying their technology to exploit new resources.

John Benson:
We do not know how Aborigines burnt the landscape. Aborigines burnt different vegetation types differently to manage food resources. Many vegetation types, such as rainforest and saltbush were not burnt.

GEOLOGICAL TIME SCALE:
Miocene - 24 - 5 million years ago
Pliocene - 5 - 1.65 million years ago
Pleistocene - 1.65 million to 10,00 years ago
Holocene - 10,000 years ago till the present.[/quote]
[url=https://www.abc.net.au/science/future/theses/theses1.htm]Source[/url]

Abos killed the megafauna to make way for the fluffy little bunny rabbits - which were not allowed to enter China even as asylum seekers.
Aboriginal compassion and inclusion. Every schoolboy know that.
https://youtu.be/2yckqyg75oE

https://twitter.com/Coon_Slayer_51/status/1689017188462862336

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 2:05pm:

This is  a claim, primarily by the ignorant.  There is no evidence that the Indigenous did any such thing.  None what so ever.  No remains amongst midden mounds, caves, etc.  Most of the Megafauna were dead before the arrival of the Indigenous on the continent.  More than likely because of climate change which they were not adaptable to.  So, run away Racist one and try and blame something else on the Indigenous people.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Do you still stand by this comment Brian, or are you trying to pretend you said something else and are hoping people won't realise how full of crap you are?

Why are you trying to make the scientific evidence match your absurd little political views?

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:02pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 2:05pm: This is  a claim, primarily by the ignorant.  There is no evidence that the Indigenous did any such thing.  None what so ever.  No remains amongst midden mounds, caves, etc.  Most of the Megafauna were dead before the arrival of the Indigenous on the continent.  More than likely because of climate change which they were not adaptable to.  So, run away Racist one and try and blame something else on the Indigenous people.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Do you still stand by this comment Brian, or are you trying to pretend you said something else and are hoping people won't realise how full of crap you are? Why are you trying to make the scientific evidence match your absurd little political views?

You answer my questions, Freediver and I might answer yours.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:05pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:02pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 2:05pm: This is  a claim, primarily by the ignorant.  There is no evidence that the Indigenous did any such thing.  None what so ever.  No remains amongst midden mounds, caves, etc.  Most of the Megafauna were dead before the arrival of the Indigenous on the continent.  More than likely because of climate change which they were not adaptable to.  So, run away Racist one and try and blame something else on the Indigenous people.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Do you still stand by this comment Brian, or are you trying to pretend you said something else and are hoping people won't realise how full of crap you are? Why are you trying to make the scientific evidence match your absurd little political views? You answer my questions, Freediver and I might answer yours.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Why do you instinctively lie Brian?

You know that science doesn't care about your feelings, right?

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:05pm: freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:02pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 2:05pm: This is  a claim, primarily by the ignorant.  There is no evidence that the Indigenous did any such thing.  None what so ever.  No remains amongst midden mounds, caves, etc.  Most of the Megafauna were dead before the arrival of the Indigenous on the continent.  More than likely because of climate change which they were not adaptable to.  So, run away Racist one and try and blame something else on the Indigenous people.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Do you still stand by this comment Brian, or are you trying to pretend you said something else and are hoping people won't realise how full of crap you are? Why are you trying to make the scientific evidence match your absurd little political views? You answer my questions, Freediver and I might answer yours.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Why do you instinctively lie Brian? You know that science doesn't care about your feelings, right?

To ask that question is to answer it.

To be Bbwian is to lie absurdly, Bbwianesquely.  It's existential.

If it wasn't so deplorable it would be laughable to see the levels the racists go to on here

John Smith wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:17pm:

If it wasn't so deplorable it would be laughable to see the levels the racists go to on here

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/106/431/712/original/c7ed69907e199816.jpg

John Smith wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:17pm:

If it wasn't so deplorable it would be laughable to see the levels the racists go to on here

Do you think it is racist to resort to scientific evidence?

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:05pm: freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:02pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 2:05pm: This is  a claim, primarily by the ignorant.  There is no evidence that the Indigenous did any such thing.  None what so ever.  No remains amongst midden mounds, caves, etc.  Most of the Megafauna were dead before the arrival of the Indigenous on the continent.  More than likely because of climate change which they were not adaptable to.  So, run away Racist one and try and blame something else on the Indigenous people.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Do you still stand by this comment Brian, or are you trying to pretend you said something else and are hoping people won't realise how full of crap you are? Why are you trying to make the scientific evidence match your absurd little political views? You answer my questions, Freediver and I might answer yours.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Why do you instinctively lie Brian? You know that science doesn't care about your feelings, right?

You answer my questions, Freediver and I might answer yours.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: If it wasn't so deplorable it would be laughable to see the levels the racists go to on here Do you think it is racist to resort to scientific evidence?

it unironically is

telling the truth about human races (or speculating or attempting to scientifically investigate what those truths miight be) is literally evil racism

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: If it wasn't so deplorable it would be laughable to see the levels the racists go to on here Do you think it is racist to resort to scientific evidence?

Have you seen any scientific evidence FD?

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:25pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:06pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:05pm: freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:02pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 2:05pm: This is  a claim, primarily by the ignorant.  There is no evidence that the Indigenous did any such thing.  None what so ever.  No remains amongst midden mounds, caves, etc.  Most of the Megafauna were dead before the arrival of the Indigenous on the continent.  More than likely because of climate change which they were not adaptable to.  So, run away Racist one and try and blame something else on the Indigenous people.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Do you still stand by this comment Brian, or are you trying to pretend you said something else and are hoping people won't realise how full of crap you are? Why are you trying to make the scientific evidence match your absurd little political views? You answer my questions, Freediver and I might answer yours.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Why do you instinctively lie Brian? You know that science doesn't care about your feelings, right? You answer my questions, Freediver and I might answer yours.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Do you realise that despite your tedious little white knight complex, the "noble savage" myth that you are trying to bend the scientific evidence to conform to is actually an example of racism on your part, not anyone else's?

John Smith wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:17pm:

If it wasn't so deplorable it would be laughable to see the levels the racists go to on here

Mothra! Mothra!!
Your Special Ed  son is is out of his pen. Alert your first cuz, his swarthy papa.

Can't have him run around unsupervised, you know. He just shites everywhere.

John Smith wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:26pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:21pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: If it wasn't so deplorable it would be laughable to see the levels the racists go to on here Do you think it is racist to resort to scientific evidence? Have you seen any scientific evidence FD?

Have you been paying attention John, or just hyperventilating and screaming wacist every time you see something you don't like?

JC Denton wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:25pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:21pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: If it wasn't so deplorable it would be laughable to see the levels the racists go to on here Do you think it is racist to resort to scientific evidence? it unironically is telling the truth about human races (or speculating or attempting to scientifically investigate what those truths miight be) is literally evil racism

Which is why you resort to doing it.  There is no scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:26pm: freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:21pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: If it wasn't so deplorable it would be laughable to see the levels the racists go to on here Do you think it is racist to resort to scientific evidence? Have you seen any scientific evidence FD? Have you been paying attention John, or just hyperventilating and screaming wacist every time you see something you don't like?

Still waiting for that 'scientific evidence' FD .... are you still looking?

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:25pm: freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:06pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:05pm: freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:02pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 2:05pm: This is  a claim, primarily by the ignorant.  There is no evidence that the Indigenous did any such thing.  None what so ever.  No remains amongst midden mounds, caves, etc.  Most of the Megafauna were dead before the arrival of the Indigenous on the continent.  More than likely because of climate change which they were not adaptable to.  So, run away Racist one and try and blame something else on the Indigenous people.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Do you still stand by this comment Brian, or are you trying to pretend you said something else and are hoping people won't realise how full of crap you are? Why are you trying to make the scientific evidence match your absurd little political views? You answer my questions, Freediver and I might answer yours.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Why do you instinctively lie Brian? You know that science doesn't care about your feelings, right? You answer my questions, Freediver and I might answer yours.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Do you realise that despite your tedious little white knight complex, the "noble savage" myth that you are trying to bend the scientific evidence to conform to is actually an example of racism on your part, not anyone else's?

You answer my questions, Freediver and I might answer yours.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:25pm: freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:06pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:05pm: freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:02pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 2:05pm: This is  a claim, primarily by the ignorant.  There is no evidence that the Indigenous did any such thing.  None what so ever.  No remains amongst midden mounds, caves, etc.  Most of the Megafauna were dead before the arrival of the Indigenous on the continent.  More than likely because of climate change which they were not adaptable to.  So, run away Racist one and try and blame something else on the Indigenous people.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Do you still stand by this comment Brian, or are you trying to pretend you said something else and are hoping people won't realise how full of crap you are? Why are you trying to make the scientific evidence match your absurd little political views? You answer my questions, Freediver and I might answer yours.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Why do you instinctively lie Brian? You know that science doesn't care about your feelings, right? You answer my questions, Freediver and I might answer yours.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::) Do you realise that despite your tedious little white knight complex, the "noble savage" myth that you are trying to bend the scientific evidence to conform to is actually an example of racism on your part, not anyone else's?

He'll answer your question..........  Zzzzzzz.....
Bbwian. You can't reason with him.  He is impervious to reason.

Did FD run away again? What a pity :D :D

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:29pm:

JC Denton wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:25pm: freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:21pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: If it wasn't so deplorable it would be laughable to see the levels the racists go to on here Do you think it is racist to resort to scientific evidence? it unironically is telling the truth about human races (or speculating or attempting to scientifically investigate what those truths miight be) is literally evil racism Which is why you resort to doing it.  There is no scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

do you think it is at least likely as it is not? there is no possibility whatsoever they did in fact kill the megafauna? is that what you believe

A bit big to drag home - eat him on the spot.... nothing to see back at the humpy ....

JC Denton wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:29pm: JC Denton wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:25pm: freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:21pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: If it wasn't so deplorable it would be laughable to see the levels the racists go to on here Do you think it is racist to resort to scientific evidence? it unironically is telling the truth about human races (or speculating or attempting to scientifically investigate what those truths miight be) is literally evil racism Which is why you resort to doing it.  There is no scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) do you think it is at least likely as it is not? there is no possibility whatsoever they did in fact kill the megafauna? is that what you believe

There is no scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:59pm:

JC Denton wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:46pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:29pm: JC Denton wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:25pm: freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:21pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: If it wasn't so deplorable it would be laughable to see the levels the racists go to on here Do you think it is racist to resort to scientific evidence? it unironically is telling the truth about human races (or speculating or attempting to scientifically investigate what those truths miight be) is literally evil racism Which is why you resort to doing it.  There is no scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) do you think it is at least likely as it is not? there is no possibility whatsoever they did in fact kill the megafauna? is that what you believe There is no scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

There is no scientific proof for any Aboriginal belief or practice, yet idiots like you genuflect to all of it. You NEVER dream of challenging an Abo about his totally unscientific Stone Age beliefs, values, practices, morals ets.

There is no scientific proof for welcome to country, smoking ceremonies, women's business, men's business, any Abo cultural practice, any claim to sovereignty, nationhood, legal system, nothing.
Aborigines had no

Smith and Bwian are rocking back and forth shouting neeeeeerrrr like the retards they are.

Our study found that the demise of the megafauna in southwest Australia took place from 45,000 to 43,100 years ago and was not linked to major changes in climate, vegetation or biomass burning but is consistent with extinction being driven by ‘imperceptible overkill’ by humans,” said palaeoecologist Dr Sander van der Kaars from the Monash School of Earth, Atmosphere and Environment, who led the study

https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/news/2017/01/humans-killed-most-of-australias-megafauna-study/

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 3:34pm:

No Megafauna remains have been found in any middens, in caves, anywhere with Indigenous marks on them.  No evidence.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

What are the age of the middens? Any 45,000 years old?

Setanta wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 7:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 3:34pm: No Megafauna remains have been found in any middens, in caves, anywhere with Indigenous marks on them.  No evidence.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) What are the age of the middens? Any 45,000 years old?

Dat because 'im too big to bring 'ome, Boss...gotta eat 'im where 'e killed... no 'Digenous marks out there, you know... you know de rules - if it move, you eat 'im - if it stand still fo' it, you pork 'im!!

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 7:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 7:28pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 3:34pm: No Megafauna remains have been found in any middens, in caves, anywhere with Indigenous marks on them.  No evidence.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) What are the age of the middens? Any 45,000 years old? Dat because 'im too big to bring 'ome, Boss...gotta eat 'im where 'e killed... no 'Digenous marks out there, you know... you know de rules - if it move, you eat 'im - if it stand still fo' it, you pork 'im!!

You mean they were field dressed and butchered en situ and not taken back whole on a semi trailer and dumped in shell heaps? You know they had semi trailers, that's how they moved grinding stones and smoked eel continent wide in their trade routes.

It's another example of 'bending over blackwards' to argue against even the possibility that ancient Australian hunter-gatherers had any less an impact on many hominid-naive species than ancient hunter-gatherers had everywhere else in the world.

As if only modern European and Asian peoples are responsible for extinctions.

Sharp declines and species extinctions occurred soon after humans migrated into every habitable continent and island outside of Africa.

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:59pm:

JC Denton wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:46pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:29pm: JC Denton wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:25pm: freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:21pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: If it wasn't so deplorable it would be laughable to see the levels the racists go to on here Do you think it is racist to resort to scientific evidence? it unironically is telling the truth about human races (or speculating or attempting to scientifically investigate what those truths miight be) is literally evil racism Which is why you resort to doing it.  There is no scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) do you think it is at least likely as it is not? there is no possibility whatsoever they did in fact kill the megafauna? is that what you believe There is no scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

would you be willing to assign a probability to it? what do you think is the likelihood of abos killing the megafauna? is it sub 50%, around 50% or over it?

JC Denton wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 8:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:59pm: JC Denton wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:46pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:29pm: JC Denton wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:25pm: freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:21pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: If it wasn't so deplorable it would be laughable to see the levels the racists go to on here Do you think it is racist to resort to scientific evidence? it unironically is telling the truth about human races (or speculating or attempting to scientifically investigate what those truths miight be) is literally evil racism Which is why you resort to doing it.  There is no scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) do you think it is at least likely as it is not? there is no possibility whatsoever they did in fact kill the megafauna? is that what you believe There is no scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) would you be willing to assign a probability to it? what do you think is the likelihood of abos killing the megafauna? is it sub 50%, around 50% or over it?

They were peace loving hippy vegans at one with nature.

Setanta wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 8:42pm:

JC Denton wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 8:03pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:59pm: JC Denton wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:46pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:29pm: JC Denton wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:25pm: freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:21pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: If it wasn't so deplorable it would be laughable to see the levels the racists go to on here Do you think it is racist to resort to scientific evidence? it unironically is telling the truth about human races (or speculating or attempting to scientifically investigate what those truths miight be) is literally evil racism Which is why you resort to doing it.  There is no scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) do you think it is at least likely as it is not? there is no possibility whatsoever they did in fact kill the megafauna? is that what you believe There is no scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) would you be willing to assign a probability to it? what do you think is the likelihood of abos killing the megafauna? is it sub 50%, around 50% or over it? They were peace loving hippy vegans at one with nature.

:D ;D :D

Yeah, 60 thousand years of Setantas and peace \/, man!

Frank wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 8:47pm:

Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 8:42pm: JC Denton wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 8:03pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:59pm: JC Denton wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:46pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:29pm: JC Denton wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:25pm: freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:21pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: If it wasn't so deplorable it would be laughable to see the levels the racists go to on here Do you think it is racist to resort to scientific evidence? it unironically is telling the truth about human races (or speculating or attempting to scientifically investigate what those truths miight be) is literally evil racism Which is why you resort to doing it.  There is no scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) do you think it is at least likely as it is not? there is no possibility whatsoever they did in fact kill the megafauna? is that what you believe There is no scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) would you be willing to assign a probability to it? what do you think is the likelihood of abos killing the megafauna? is it sub 50%, around 50% or over it? They were peace loving hippy vegans at one with nature. :D ;D :D 60 thousand years of Setantas and peace \/, man!

Do I get Indigenous status now? We mean you no harm...

Setanta wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 7:53pm:

You mean they were field dressed and butchered en situ and not taken back whole on a semi trailer and dumped in shell heaps? You know they had semi trailers, that's how they moved grinding stones and smoked eel continent wide in their trade routes.

Yes - just carry those grindstones a few hundred miles across the burning waste without the taste of water .... carry that eel back to the tribe who love it even as it melts in the mouth and keeps them regular.  In the civilised towns they had abattoirs to go with the stone houses and stuff ..... and the garbage collection system ensured there were no bones lying around.

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Gordon wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 4:22pm:

Brian is autistic. Humans killed most of Australia’s megafauna: study https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/news/2017/01/humans-killed-most-of-australias-megafauna-study/

Brian now claim Aboriginals are not human, as they did not have a hand in Megafauna extinction.

Brian claims he was a racist before he joined the army and he learned he was just a wanker. That changed him, he then came to see every other white person just as he had been and decided to project his self hating past onto ever other person that does not mesh with his new, enlightened self.

John Smith wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:29pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:28pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:26pm: freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:21pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: If it wasn't so deplorable it would be laughable to see the levels the racists go to on here Do you think it is racist to resort to scientific evidence? Have you seen any scientific evidence FD? Have you been paying attention John, or just hyperventilating and screaming wacist every time you see something you don't like? Still waiting for that 'scientific evidence' FD .... are you still looking?

There has been plenty discussed right here in this thread John. For example:


freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 2:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 2:05pm: This is  a claim, primarily by the ignorant.  There is no evidence that the Indigenous did any such thing.  None what so ever.  No remains amongst midden mounds, caves, etc.  Most of the Megafauna were dead before the arrival of the Indigenous on the continent.  More than likely because of climate change which they were not adaptable to.  So, run away Racist one and try and blame something else on the Indigenous people.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) ;D You are so full of crap Brian. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_megafauna Many modern researchers, including Tim Flannery, think that with the arrival of early Aboriginal Australians (around 70,000~65,000 years ago), hunting and the use of fire to manage their environment may have contributed to the extinction of the megafauna. New evidence based on accurate optically stimulated luminescence and uranium-thorium dating of megafaunal remains suggests that humans were the ultimate cause of the extinction for some of the megafauna in Australia.

Do you think you have to pretend you cannot see it, otherwise you are racist?

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 9:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:29pm: freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:28pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:26pm: freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:21pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: If it wasn't so deplorable it would be laughable to see the levels the racists go to on here Do you think it is racist to resort to scientific evidence? Have you seen any scientific evidence FD? Have you been paying attention John, or just hyperventilating and screaming wacist every time you see something you don't like? Still waiting for that 'scientific evidence' FD .... are you still looking? There has been plenty discussed right here in this thread John. For example: freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 2:31pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 2:05pm: This is  a claim, primarily by the ignorant.  There is no evidence that the Indigenous did any such thing.  None what so ever.  No remains amongst midden mounds, caves, etc.  Most of the Megafauna were dead before the arrival of the Indigenous on the continent.  More than likely because of climate change which they were not adaptable to.  So, run away Racist one and try and blame something else on the Indigenous people.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) ;D You are so full of crap Brian. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_megafauna Many modern researchers, including Tim Flannery, think that with the arrival of early Aboriginal Australians (around 70,000~65,000 years ago), hunting and the use of fire to manage their environment may have contributed to the extinction of the megafauna. New evidence based on accurate optically stimulated luminescence and uranium-thorium dating of megafaunal remains suggests that humans were the ultimate cause of the extinction for some of the megafauna in Australia. Do you think you have to pretend you cannot see it, otherwise you are racist?

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:05pm:

You answer my questions, Freediver and I might answer yours.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Tedious at best.

Setanta wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 8:51pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 8:47pm: Setanta wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 8:42pm: JC Denton wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 8:03pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:59pm: JC Denton wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:46pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:29pm: JC Denton wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:25pm: freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:21pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: If it wasn't so deplorable it would be laughable to see the levels the racists go to on here Do you think it is racist to resort to scientific evidence? it unironically is telling the truth about human races (or speculating or attempting to scientifically investigate what those truths miight be) is literally evil racism Which is why you resort to doing it.  There is no scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) do you think it is at least likely as it is not? there is no possibility whatsoever they did in fact kill the megafauna? is that what you believe There is no scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) would you be willing to assign a probability to it? what do you think is the likelihood of abos killing the megafauna? is it sub 50%, around 50% or over it? They were peace loving hippy vegans at one with nature. :D ;D :D 60 thousand years of Setantas and peace \/, man! Do I get Indigenous status now? We mean you no harm...

You answer my question first... are you an elder past, present or emerging?
Tsk, tsk  ::) ::)

Didnt see that coming, did you, wacist? Ha!

JC Denton wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 8:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:59pm: JC Denton wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:46pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:29pm: JC Denton wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:25pm: freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:21pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: If it wasn't so deplorable it would be laughable to see the levels the racists go to on here Do you think it is racist to resort to scientific evidence? it unironically is telling the truth about human races (or speculating or attempting to scientifically investigate what those truths miight be) is literally evil racism Which is why you resort to doing it.  There is no scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) do you think it is at least likely as it is not? there is no possibility whatsoever they did in fact kill the megafauna? is that what you believe There is no scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) would you be willing to assign a probability to it? what do you think is the likelihood of abos killing the megafauna? is it sub 50%, around 50% or over it?

There is no direct scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  I am not a paleontologist, I do not assign values and neither should you, if you were honest and not a Racist. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

a Racist ?    Tsk, tsk, tsk..    ::)    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 9:22pm:

JC Denton wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 8:03pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:59pm: JC Denton wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:46pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:29pm: JC Denton wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:25pm: freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:21pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: If it wasn't so deplorable it would be laughable to see the levels the racists go to on here Do you think it is racist to resort to scientific evidence? it unironically is telling the truth about human races (or speculating or attempting to scientifically investigate what those truths miight be) is literally evil racism Which is why you resort to doing it.  There is no scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) do you think it is at least likely as it is not? there is no possibility whatsoever they did in fact kill the megafauna? is that what you believe There is no scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) would you be willing to assign a probability to it? what do you think is the likelihood of abos killing the megafauna? is it sub 50%, around 50% or over it? There is no direct scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  I am not a pathologist, I do not assign values and neither should you, if you were honest and not a Racist. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

There is no direct scientific proof of any historical facts Brian. Only an idiot would demand it.

Do you still insist there is also no evidence? Or should we take your weasel words as an admission that you were lying?

The jealousy is quite palpable amongst the Racists, seeking ways to discredit Indigenous inventiveness and capability.  There is no direct proof they were responsible for the death of the Australian Megafauna.  There is direct scientific proof they did conduct trade over a large part of the Australian continent.  Grow up you lot of losers and recognise them for what they were, an advanced stone-age culture that lasted 60,000+ years.  All your harping is tiresome and a WOFTAM.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 9:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 9:22pm: JC Denton wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 8:03pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:59pm: JC Denton wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:46pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:29pm: JC Denton wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:25pm: freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:21pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: If it wasn't so deplorable it would be laughable to see the levels the racists go to on here Do you think it is racist to resort to scientific evidence? it unironically is telling the truth about human races (or speculating or attempting to scientifically investigate what those truths miight be) is literally evil racism Which is why you resort to doing it.  There is no scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) do you think it is at least likely as it is not? there is no possibility whatsoever they did in fact kill the megafauna? is that what you believe There is no scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) would you be willing to assign a probability to it? what do you think is the likelihood of abos killing the megafauna? is it sub 50%, around 50% or over it? There is no direct scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  I am not a pathologist, I do not assign values and neither should you, if you were honest and not a Racist. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) There is no direct scientific proof of any historical facts Brian. Only an idiot would demand it. Do you still insist there is also no evidence? Or should we take your weasel words as an admission that you were lying?

You answer my questions, Freediver and I might answer yours.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 9:29pm:

The jealousy is quite palpable amongst the Racists, seeking ways to discredit Indigenous inventiveness and capability.  There is no direct proof they were responsible for the death of the Australian Megafauna.  There is direct scientific proof they did conduct trade over a large part of the Australian continent.  Grow up you lot of losers and recognise them for what they were, an advanced stone-age culture that lasted 60,000+ years.  All your harping is tiresome and a WOFTAM.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

:D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D
"an advanced stone-age culture"   Compared to all the other primitive stone age cultures.


Ozzie, ozzie, ozzie, oy, yo, oy!!

Setanta wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 9:02pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 4:22pm: Brian is autistic. Humans killed most of Australia’s megafauna: study https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/news/2017/01/humans-killed-most-of-australias-megafauna-study/ Brian now claim Aboriginals are not human, as they did not have a hand in Megafauna extinction. Brian claims he was a racist before he joined the army and he learned he was just a wanker. That changed him, he then came to see every other white person just as he had been and decided to project his self hating past onto ever other person that does not mesh with his new, enlightened self.

I do wish people would stop putting words into my mouth which have not originated there.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 9:22pm:

JC Denton wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 8:03pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:59pm: JC Denton wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:46pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:29pm: JC Denton wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:25pm: freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:21pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: If it wasn't so deplorable it would be laughable to see the levels the racists go to on here Do you think it is racist to resort to scientific evidence? it unironically is telling the truth about human races (or speculating or attempting to scientifically investigate what those truths miight be) is literally evil racism Which is why you resort to doing it.  There is no scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) do you think it is at least likely as it is not? there is no possibility whatsoever they did in fact kill the megafauna? is that what you believe There is no scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) would you be willing to assign a probability to it? what do you think is the likelihood of abos killing the megafauna? is it sub 50%, around 50% or over it? There is no direct scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  I am not a pathologist, I do not assign values and neither should you, if you were honest and not a Racist. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

No, you're not a paleontologist or even an historian. We can all see your pathologies though.

I wish people would read all their sources.  This was at the end of the Australian Geographic article:


Quote:

Controversial findings However, not everyone agrees with this view – suggesting the debate is a long way from over. “The authors try hard to make the study show evidence that humans wiped out the megafauna, but make a lot of basic mistakes along the way, notwithstanding ignoring and misrepresenting existing datasets. For instance, they state that humans arrived in Australia 47,000 years ago, but ignore the fact that the oldest evidence for the peopling of the continent is around 55,000 years ago,” commented Dr Gilbert Price, a lecturer in palaeontology at the University of Queensland. “Their reliance of the dung fungus is also problematic, he said. “The dung fungus is not found exclusively on the dung of large herbivores. The fungus is actually found on the dung of a wide range of different-sized species, from rodents to big animals, plus birds, lizards, and even carnivores,” said Gilbert. Gilbert added that the presence of Sporormiella spores is nothing more than an indicator of abundance for any animal, whatever its size or diet. He also noted that, being a fungus, climatic factors such as humidity may also influence its abundance. There is also more direct evidence pointing to a different timeframe for the extinction of these large animals, said Michael Westaway, a Senior Research Fellow at Griffith University who also wasn’t involved in this study. “Directly dated fauna is much more relevant to the debate than proxies such as spores from off sea cores. We have direct dates for megafauna at 33,000 years ago now, which essentially shows that the overkill idea is not supported from direct dates on fauna,” he saod. Another concern about this new study is that there is no clear evidence of megafauna even being around the region where the core was collected, said Gilbert. “The closest megafaunal deposits that date to the time range discussed by the authors are over 500 km away. And there, the best evidence shows that there was a progressive decline in megafaunal diversity through time, including prior to the period when humans arrived on the continent!” he adds. The final verdict is still elusive, said Michael, as current data is just not enough to reach a conclusion. “The debate requires more field research on fossil sites, certainly ecological modelling looks like a bit of fun and proxies such as cores of dung fall in this category as well but against direct dates bracketing the age of fauna they don’t amount to much,” he said.

[url=https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/news/2017/01/humans-killed-most-of-australias-megafauna-study/]Source[/url]

Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 9:25pm:

a Racist ?    Tsk, tsk, tsk..    ::)    ::)

Face facts, Bobby.  You and many of the others are outright Racists.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 9:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 9:25pm: a Racist ?    Tsk, tsk, tsk..    ::)    ::) Face facts, Bobby.  You and many of the others are outright Racists.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

No - you are being intellectually lazy using a convenient label
to try and ignore scientific evidence.  tsk   tsk  tsk ...   ::)    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 9:39pm:

I wish people would read all their sources.  This was at the end of the Australian Geographic article: Quote: Controversial findings However, not everyone agrees with this view – suggesting the debate is a long way from over. “The authors try hard to make the study show evidence that humans wiped out the megafauna, but make a lot of basic mistakes along the way, notwithstanding ignoring and misrepresenting existing datasets. For instance, they state that humans arrived in Australia 47,000 years ago, but ignore the fact that the oldest evidence for the peopling of the continent is around 55,000 years ago,” commented Dr Gilbert Price, a lecturer in palaeontology at the University of Queensland. “Their reliance of the dung fungus is also problematic, he said. “The dung fungus is not found exclusively on the dung of large herbivores. The fungus is actually found on the dung of a wide range of different-sized species, from rodents to big animals, plus birds, lizards, and even carnivores,” said Gilbert. Gilbert added that the presence of Sporormiella spores is nothing more than an indicator of abundance for any animal, whatever its size or diet. He also noted that, being a fungus, climatic factors such as humidity may also influence its abundance. There is also more direct evidence pointing to a different timeframe for the extinction of these large animals, said Michael Westaway, a Senior Research Fellow at Griffith University who also wasn’t involved in this study. “Directly dated fauna is much more relevant to the debate than proxies such as spores from off sea cores. We have direct dates for megafauna at 33,000 years ago now, which essentially shows that the overkill idea is not supported from direct dates on fauna,” he saod. Another concern about this new study is that there is no clear evidence of megafauna even being around the region where the core was collected, said Gilbert. “The closest megafaunal deposits that date to the time range discussed by the authors are over 500 km away. And there, the best evidence shows that there was a progressive decline in megafaunal diversity through time, including prior to the period when humans arrived on the continent!” he adds. The final verdict is still elusive, said Michael, as current data is just not enough to reach a conclusion. “The debate requires more field research on fossil sites, certainly ecological modelling looks like a bit of fun and proxies such as cores of dung fall in this category as well but against direct dates bracketing the age of fauna they don’t amount to much,” he said. [url=https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/news/2017/01/humans-killed-most-of-australias-megafauna-study/]Source[/url] Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

tsk tsk tsk...   so dumb    ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 9:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:29pm: freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:28pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:26pm: freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:21pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: If it wasn't so deplorable it would be laughable to see the levels the racists go to on here Do you think it is racist to resort to scientific evidence? Have you seen any scientific evidence FD? Have you been paying attention John, or just hyperventilating and screaming wacist every time you see something you don't like? Still waiting for that 'scientific evidence' FD .... are you still looking? There has been plenty discussed right here in this thread John. For example: freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 2:31pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 2:05pm: This is  a claim, primarily by the ignorant.  There is no evidence that the Indigenous did any such thing.  None what so ever.  No remains amongst midden mounds, caves, etc.  Most of the Megafauna were dead before the arrival of the Indigenous on the continent.  More than likely because of climate change which they were not adaptable to.  So, run away Racist one and try and blame something else on the Indigenous people.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) ;D You are so full of crap Brian. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_megafauna Many modern researchers, including Tim Flannery, think that with the arrival of early Aboriginal Australians (around 70,000~65,000 years ago), hunting and the use of fire to manage their environment may have contributed to the extinction of the megafauna. New evidence based on accurate optically stimulated luminescence and uranium-thorium dating of megafaunal remains suggests that humans were the ultimate cause of the extinction for some of the megafauna in Australia. Do you think you have to pretend you cannot see it, otherwise you are racist?

I asked for evidence fd, not possibles.  Did you even read your article?

Nobody else here to extinction these animals....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 9:57pm:

Nobody else here to extinction these animals....

Nobody here to extinct the dinosaurs you dumbarse

Setanta wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 9:39pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 9:22pm: JC Denton wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 8:03pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:59pm: JC Denton wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:46pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:29pm: JC Denton wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:25pm: freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:21pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: If it wasn't so deplorable it would be laughable to see the levels the racists go to on here Do you think it is racist to resort to scientific evidence? it unironically is telling the truth about human races (or speculating or attempting to scientifically investigate what those truths miight be) is literally evil racism Which is why you resort to doing it.  There is no scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) do you think it is at least likely as it is not? there is no possibility whatsoever they did in fact kill the megafauna? is that what you believe There is no scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) would you be willing to assign a probability to it? what do you think is the likelihood of abos killing the megafauna? is it sub 50%, around 50% or over it? There is no direct scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  I am not a pathologist, I do not assign values and neither should you, if you were honest and not a Racist. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) No, you're not a paleontologist or even an historian. We can all see your pathologies though.

Indeed.

Historians may well demand accuracy when drawing from archival material, but it seems that when drawing from science, uncritical reading is perfectly acceptable.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 9:45pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 9:42pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 9:25pm: a Racist ?    Tsk, tsk, tsk..    ::)    ::) Face facts, Bobby.  You and many of the others are outright Racists.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) No - you are being intellectually lazy using a convenient label to try and ignore scientific evidence.  tsk   tsk  tsk ...   ::)    ::)

Scientific evidence?  Circumstantial at best, Bobby.  And what is your excuse for resorting to Racism at the drop of a hat, little man?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

what do you think the likelihood of the abos killing the megafauna is? is it sub 50%, around 50% or over it?

JC Denton wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 10:08pm:

what do you think the likelihood of the abos killing the megafauna is? is it sub 50%, around 50% or over it?

I have addressed this already.  There is no direct scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  I am not a paleontologist, I do not assign values and neither should you, if you were honest and not a Racist. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 10:14pm:

JC Denton wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 10:08pm: what do you think the likelihood of the abos killing the megafauna is? is it sub 50%, around 50% or over it? I have addressed this already.  There is no direct scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  I am not a paleontologist, I do not assign values and neither should you, if you were honest and not a Racist. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

so you reckon it's 0% then?

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 10:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 9:45pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 9:42pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 9:25pm: a Racist ?    Tsk, tsk, tsk..    ::)    ::) Face facts, Bobby.  You and many of the others are outright Racists.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) No - you are being intellectually lazy using a convenient label to try and ignore scientific evidence.  tsk   tsk  tsk ...   ::)    ::) Scientific evidence?  Circumstantial at best, Bobby.  And what is your excuse for resorting to Racism at the drop of a hat, little man?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Ah, so - rike honourabre Aboriginal history!!

John Smith wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 9:59pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 9:57pm: Nobody else here to extinction these animals.... Nobody here to extinct the dinosaurs you dumbarse

'here' is Australia, dock-head.... as in nobody else here at that time - don't be dense....

Bastards killed off the megafauna and hid the evidence...

JC Denton wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 10:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 10:14pm: JC Denton wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 10:08pm: what do you think the likelihood of the abos killing the megafauna is? is it sub 50%, around 50% or over it? I have addressed this already.  There is no direct scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  I am not a paleontologist, I do not assign values and neither should you, if you were honest and not a Racist. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) so you reckon it's 0% then?

I have addressed this already.  There is no direct scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  I am not a paleontologist, I do not assign values and neither should you, if you were honest and not a Racist. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

so you reckon it's 0% then?

Interesting site...

Willandra Lakes Region NSW.

Indigenous people have lived in the Willandra
Lakes region for at least 50,000 years.

The remains of a large number of animals have
been found in the region. More than 55 species
have been identified, 40 of which are no longer
found in the region, and 11 of which are extinct.

Michael Westaway, a Senior Research Fellow at
Griffith University says the final verdict is still
elusive, as current data is just not enough to
reach a conclusion.

I'd agree;  too many conflicting scientific opinions ATM.

JC Denton wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 11:06pm:

so you reckon it's 0% then?

That's his best guess - and his guess alone... without any verification or research - kind of a simple Truthtelling from his perspective.

Indeed - I am working on a new book which I am classifying to myself and readers as a Truthtelling rather than a solidly researched historical document.  I just hate it that at 4 am I waken with a mind so filled with thoughts and ideas, all forming a solid contiguous unbroken line of reason and thought - and by the time I create my hefty cup of coffee - mainstay of champions - that clear course has been overtaken by more and more thoughts, ideas and combining/melding of them all into a continuous line - and the thinking diluted by excess data - and then by the time the pitifully slow process of writing all down dictates that what was clear at 4 am is no longer so clear or even of great interest to the questing mind that drove it...... the houris of the night, the vampyre seducers rising from the sheets of the sleeper's bed such as seen in the film Dracula with Gary Oldman and Keanu Reeve, have become the pale shadows of the day.. it is then that the callow fumblings of words begins...... the momentarily forgotten word that was so clear and which forgetting interrupts the flow..... the calls of daily, flesh-driven life ... the calculated interference of the lady of the house with her demands that her spoken thoughts must always take centre stage even when I am in full flight ... no wonder the office was created or the great writers lived solitary lives .....

I think I've just written the first part or last part of my foreword.... and the coffee still awaits my presence...

I bring you Demonspawn - How The West Was Conned

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 10:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 9:59pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 9:57pm: Nobody else here to extinction these animals.... Nobody here to extinct the dinosaurs you dumbarse 'here' is Australia, dock-head.... as in nobody else here at that time - don't be dense.... Bastards killed off the megafauna and hid the evidence...

yeah, they hid the evidence because they knew that in 50 000 years there would be racist dickheads on online forums calling them out for it. :D :D

Seek medical help crappler, you're deteriorating rapidly

John Smith wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 8:56am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 10:40pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 9:59pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 9:57pm: Nobody else here to extinction these animals.... Nobody here to extinct the dinosaurs you dumbarse 'here' is Australia, dock-head.... as in nobody else here at that time - don't be dense.... Bastards killed off the megafauna and hid the evidence... yeah, they hid the evidence because they knew that in 50 000 years there would be racist dickheads on online forums calling them out for it. :D :D Seek medical help crappler, you're deteriorating rapidly

racist?

you are being intellectually lazy using a convenient label
to denigrate other posters -
and to try and ignore scientific evidence.  tsk   tsk  tsk ...      ::)   ::)

No goober, I'm calling it as it is. If the shoe fits, wear it.

John Smith wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:17pm:

If it wasn't so deplorable it would be laughable to see the levels the racists go to on here

Criticism of indigenous people of Australia is "racist", it is, John? All indigenous Australians are above reproach?

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 9:22am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: If it wasn't so deplorable it would be laughable to see the levels the racists go to on here Criticism of indigenous people of Australia is "racist", it is, John? All indigenous Australians are above reproach?

Criticism no, but making up poo about them is racist unsub.

John Smith wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 9:53pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 9:08pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:29pm: freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:28pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:26pm: freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:21pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: If it wasn't so deplorable it would be laughable to see the levels the racists go to on here Do you think it is racist to resort to scientific evidence? Have you seen any scientific evidence FD? Have you been paying attention John, or just hyperventilating and screaming wacist every time you see something you don't like? Still waiting for that 'scientific evidence' FD .... are you still looking? There has been plenty discussed right here in this thread John. For example: freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 2:31pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 2:05pm: This is  a claim, primarily by the ignorant.  There is no evidence that the Indigenous did any such thing.  None what so ever.  No remains amongst midden mounds, caves, etc.  Most of the Megafauna were dead before the arrival of the Indigenous on the continent.  More than likely because of climate change which they were not adaptable to.  So, run away Racist one and try and blame something else on the Indigenous people.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) ;D You are so full of crap Brian. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_megafauna Many modern researchers, including Tim Flannery, think that with the arrival of early Aboriginal Australians (around 70,000~65,000 years ago), hunting and the use of fire to manage their environment may have contributed to the extinction of the megafauna. New evidence based on accurate optically stimulated luminescence and uranium-thorium dating of megafaunal remains suggests that humans were the ultimate cause of the extinction for some of the megafauna in Australia. Do you think you have to pretend you cannot see it, otherwise you are racist? I asked for evidence fd, not possibles.  Did you even read your article?

Are you asking me to post an old bone John?


Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 9:29pm:

The jealousy is quite palpable amongst the Racists, seeking ways to discredit Indigenous inventiveness and capability.

What does that have to do with whether they killed the megafauna Brian? Are you suggesting their inventions allowed species to live? Why do you even care enough to lie about this?

John Smith wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 9:59pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 9:57pm: Nobody else here to extinction these animals.... Nobody here to extinct the dinosaurs you dumbarse

Not talking about dinosaurs, you nut. Talking about megafauna -- which were around when indigenous Australians claim to have been here.

John Smith wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 9:30am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 9:22am: John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: If it wasn't so deplorable it would be laughable to see the levels the racists go to on here Criticism of indigenous people of Australia is "racist", it is, John? All indigenous Australians are above reproach? Criticism no, but making up poo about them is racist unsub.

Indigenous people would use fire to burn the animals out of their habitats, during the hunt. You could imagine that the megafauna would have been targeted first.

John Smith wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 9:30am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 9:22am: John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:17pm: If it wasn't so deplorable it would be laughable to see the levels the racists go to on here Criticism of indigenous people of Australia is "racist", it is, John? All indigenous Australians are above reproach? Criticism no, but making up poo about them is racist unsub.

Do you think Brian is motivated by racism to make up lies, such as there being no evidence for Aborigines causing extinction?

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 9:33am:

Are you asking me to post an old bone John?

no fd, I'm asking for evidence. You do know what that word means, right?


freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 9:40am:

Do you think Brian is motivated by racism to make up lies, such as there being no evidence for Aborigines causing extinction?

No, but I do think you are motivated by racism.

Quote:

no fd, I'm asking for evidence. You do know what that word means, right?

I have no idea what you mean when you use it. Most likely you mean nothing at all and you have no clue what you are talking about.


Quote:

No, but I do think you are motivated by racism.

Do you, like Brian, insist that there is no evidence for Aborigines causing extinction?

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 10:08am:

I have no idea what you mean when you use it

ahh, thats why you struggle so much. here, I'm glad to help


Quote:

evidence noun the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid. "the study finds little evidence of overt discrimination"

Do you, like Brian, insist that there is no evidence for Aborigines causing extinction?

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 9:35am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 9:59pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 9:57pm: Nobody else here to extinction these animals.... Nobody here to extinct the dinosaurs you dumbarse Not talking about dinosaurs, you nut. Talking about megafauna -- which were around when indigenous Australians claim to have been here.

They killed 'em off for sure....

Given that megafauna and many species were negatively impacted by hominid migration out of Africa wherever hominids migrated, indicates that it is near-certain the same happened in Australia.

This is a consequence of hominid migratory hunter-gatherer survival - hunt down those animals that do not have the fear instinct of hominids is more efficient than those who have the instinct to evade human predation; take out those animals that would threaten human encroachment into new territories.

However, hunter-gatherers likely did not go on a mission to exterminate other species and their demise due to human activity probably took thousands of years.

Given what happened to the Thylacine, if, say, marsupial lions or carnivorous kangaroos had survived into the 19th century, the early European settlers would have, without a doubt, wiped them out within mere decades via kill-projects established specifically to exterminate them.

I think John actually agrees with us. But he also thinks it would be racist to admit it. This leaves him unable to actually say anything, but he can do a good impersonation of a parrot and keep demanding "the evidence".

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 10:46am:

I think John actually agrees with us. But he also thinks it would be racist to admit it. This leaves him unable to actually say anything, but he can do a good impersonation of a parrot and keep demanding "the evidence".

His mission here is to disrupt as much as possible..... he contributes nothing of value, same s a few others.... just interrupts the flow of discussion and ideas..... his id implements zero truth = IdI0T.

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 10:08am:

Do you, like Brian, insist that there is no evidence for Aborigines causing extinction?

   Do you agree with the heading of this thread FD?

John Smith wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 11:06am:

freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 10:08am: Do you, like Brian, insist that there is no evidence for Aborigines causing extinction?    Do you agree with the heading of this thread FD?

I don't think they killed off the dinosaurs, if that is what you mean. No-one here seems to know. Not even you.

Do you, like Brian, insist that there is no evidence for Aborigines causing extinction?

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 9:35am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 9:59pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 9:57pm: Nobody else here to extinction these animals.... Nobody here to extinct the dinosaurs you dumbarse Not talking about dinosaurs, you nut. Talking about megafauna -- which were around when indigenous Australians claim to have been here.

no shit sherlock ... the point is that people being present or not doesn't prove anything

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 11:10am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 11:06am: freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 10:08am: Do you, like Brian, insist that there is no evidence for Aborigines causing extinction?    Do you agree with the heading of this thread FD? I don't think they killed off the dinosaurs, if that is what you mean. No-one here seems to know. Not even you. Do you, like Brian, insist that there is no evidence for Aborigines causing extinction?

No ones talking about dinosaurs FD

They're guilty.... no question about it ...................

John Smith wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 11:12am:

freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 11:10am: John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 11:06am: freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 10:08am: Do you, like Brian, insist that there is no evidence for Aborigines causing extinction?    Do you agree with the heading of this thread FD? I don't think they killed off the dinosaurs, if that is what you mean. No-one here seems to know. Not even you. Do you, like Brian, insist that there is no evidence for Aborigines causing extinction? No ones talking about dinosaurs FD

You are not talking about anything John. You are just flapping away.

Do you, like Brian, insist that there is no evidence for Aborigines causing extinction?

John Smith wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 11:11am:

the point is that people being present or not doesn't prove anything

Except that the rate of extinctions accelerated wherever humans migrated out of Africa and hyper-accelerated wherever advanced human societies colonised different lands either via over-hunting, targetted kill-projects or by the introduction of destructive non-native species.

The instinct to over-hunt is primal.

Chimpanzee groups that develop advanced skills in hunting monkeys will soon over-hunt them into extinction within their territory.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 11:28am:

The instinct to over-hunt is primal. Chimpanzee groups that develop advanced skills in hunting monkeys will soon over-hunt them into extinction within their territory.

That's SOOOOOO wacist to chimps.



The Maori hunted the moa, native geese and ducks to extinction. Nobody is crying "wacism".  Red Indians hunted to extinctions many species - no cries of wacism. Dutch sailors are all the dodos of Mauritius, European homo sapiens killed off Neanderthals and no European is crying about it as  "wacist slur". But say that Aborigines killed off pigmies or some species of animals or that they were warring with each other constantly like every other tribal people everywhere - oh, oh, soooo wacist!
Bbwianesque

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 11:13am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 11:12am: freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 11:10am: John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 11:06am: freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 10:08am: Do you, like Brian, insist that there is no evidence for Aborigines causing extinction?    Do you agree with the heading of this thread FD? I don't think they killed off the dinosaurs, if that is what you mean. No-one here seems to know. Not even you. Do you, like Brian, insist that there is no evidence for Aborigines causing extinction? No ones talking about dinosaurs FD You are not talking about anything John.

Sure I am, I've even highlighted it for you. Why are you scared to answer?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 11:19am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 11:11am: the point is that people being present or not doesn't prove anything Except that the rate of extinctions accelerated wherever humans migrated out of Africa and hyper-accelerated wherever advanced human societies colonised different lands either via over-hunting, targetted kill-projects or by the introduction of destructive non-native species.

great ...however thats still not the point

Clearly they did it.... primitives ...

this is like discussing 'massacres' and at the same time the proponents of Abos doing the same and starting the problems, with breathtaking audacity, claim these were 'frontier wars'.

You can't have it both ways... either they were massacres of innocents and genocide or the dead were casualties of war ...

Now that Abo blocking that road and trying to impose what he imagines is tribal law and separate nation etc clearly shows us the next frontier war is already here....

Frank wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 11:57am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 11:28am: The instinct to over-hunt is primal. Chimpanzee groups that develop advanced skills in hunting monkeys will soon over-hunt them into extinction within their territory. That's SOOOOOO wacist to chimps. The Maori hunted the moa, native geese and ducks to extinction. Nobody is crying "wacism".  Red Indians hunted to extinctions many species - no cries of wacism. Dutch sailors are all the dodos of Mauritius, European homo sapiens killed off Neanderthals and no European is crying about it as  "wacist slur". But say that Aborigines killed off pigmies or some species of animals or that they were warring with each other constantly like every other tribal people everywhere - oh, oh, soooo wacist! Bbwianesque

Human-induced habitat change, overhunting, accelerated extinctions, territorial encroachment, and war are all features of every human society that has ever existed.

John Smith wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 11:59am:

freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 11:13am: John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 11:12am: freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 11:10am: John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 11:06am: freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 10:08am: Do you, like Brian, insist that there is no evidence for Aborigines causing extinction?    Do you agree with the heading of this thread FD? I don't think they killed off the dinosaurs, if that is what you mean. No-one here seems to know. Not even you. Do you, like Brian, insist that there is no evidence for Aborigines causing extinction? No ones talking about dinosaurs FD You are not talking about anything John. Sure I am, I've even highlighted it for you. Why are you scared to answer?

It's a bit vague, that's all. Like I said, I don't think they killed off the dinosaurs. Not sure why you didn't get it the first time I said it.

Do you, like Brian, insist that there is no evidence for Aborigines causing extinction?

Until one of you can produce direct evidence of Indigenous extermination of Australia's Megafauna all you have is circumstantial evidence.  Run along foolish people.   Direct evidence is lacking.  It is non-existant.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 2:05pm:

This is  a claim, primarily by the ignorant.  There is no evidence that the Indigenous did any such thing.  None what so ever.  No remains amongst midden mounds, caves, etc.  Most of the Megafauna were dead before the arrival of the Indigenous on the continent.  More than likely because of climate change which they were not adaptable to.  So, run away Racist one and try and blame something else on the Indigenous people.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian are you saying "direct" evidence now because you admit this is a lie?


Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 6:59pm:

There is no scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Also, do you agree that only an idiot would demand "scientific proof"?

Are you going to keep it up until you get the right amount of weasel in your weasel words?

John Smith wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 9:59pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 9:57pm: Nobody else here to extinction these animals.... Nobody here to extinct the dinosaurs you dumbarse

Megafauna weren't dinosaurs dumbarse.

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 1:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 11:59am: freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 11:13am: John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 11:12am: freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 11:10am: John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 11:06am: freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 10:08am: Do you, like Brian, insist that there is no evidence for Aborigines causing extinction?    Do you agree with the heading of this thread FD? I don't think they killed off the dinosaurs, if that is what you mean. No-one here seems to know. Not even you. Do you, like Brian, insist that there is no evidence for Aborigines causing extinction? No ones talking about dinosaurs FD You are not talking about anything John. Sure I am, I've even highlighted it for you. Why are you scared to answer? It's a bit vague, that's all. Like I said, I don't think they killed off the dinosaurs. Not sure why you didn't get it the first time I said it. Do you, like Brian, insist that there is no evidence for Aborigines causing extinction?

the only thing vague is the space between your ears, but thats ok, I understand why you are running away from it

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 2:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 2:05pm: This is  a claim, primarily by the ignorant.  There is no evidence that the Indigenous did any such thing.  None what so ever.  No remains amongst midden mounds, caves, etc.  Most of the Megafauna were dead before the arrival of the Indigenous on the continent.  More than likely because of climate change which they were not adaptable to.  So, run away Racist one and try and blame something else on the Indigenous people.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Brian are you saying "direct" evidence now because you admit this is a lie? Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 6:59pm: There is no scientific proof that Indigenous people killed off the Australian Megafauna.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Also, do you agree that only an idiot would demand "scientific proof"? Are you going to keep it up until you get the right amount of weasel in your weasel words?

You answer my questions, Freediver and I might answer yours.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 2:08pm:

Until one of you can produce direct evidence of Indigenous extermination of Australia's Megafauna all you have is circumstantial evidence.  Run along foolish people.   Direct evidence is lacking.  It is non-existant.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Every migrant hunter-gatherer group, who, after moving into a hominid-naive ecology, has resulted in relatively sudden hominid-induced habitat change and accelerated rates of extinction.

That is evidence enough that the pre-Aboriginal Australian ecology was almost certainly altered after the arrival of human hunter-gatherers, including the accelerated extinction of many native species.

Would you argue that the introduction by humans of a non-native species - the dingo - another non-marsupial mammal - would have had no effect on the Australian ecology?

Would you argue that the use of fire by hunter-gatherers would have had no effect on the pre-human Australian ecology?

There is no direct evidence of Indigenous people exterminating the Australian Megafauna.  Megafauna lived with Indigenous people until approximately 7000 years ago:


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At the end of the last ice age, Australia's climate changed from cold-dry to warm-dry. As a result, surface water became scarce. Most inland lakes became completely dry or dry in the warmer seasons. Most large, predominantly browsing animals lost their habitat and retreated to a narrow band in eastern Australia, where there was permanent water and better vegetation. The diprotodon, one of Australia's megafauna, may have survived on the Liverpool Plains of New South Wales until about 7000 years ago. As First Nations people have been in Australia over the past 60 000 years, megafauna must have co-existed with humans for at least 30,000 years. For social, spiritual and economic reasons, First Nations peoples harvested game in a sustainable manner.

[url=https://australian.museum/learn/australia-over-time/megafauna/]Source[/url]

Until you lot produce direct evidence about extermination you're all whistling dixie.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 4:15pm:

There is no direct evidence of Indigenous people exterminating the Australian Megafauna.  Megafauna lived with Indigenous people until approximately 7000 years ago: Quote: At the end of the last ice age, Australia's climate changed from cold-dry to warm-dry. As a result, surface water became scarce. Most inland lakes became completely dry or dry in the warmer seasons. Most large, predominantly browsing animals lost their habitat and retreated to a narrow band in eastern Australia, where there was permanent water and better vegetation. The diprotodon, one of Australia's megafauna, may have survived on the Liverpool Plains of New South Wales until about 7000 years ago. As First Nations people have been in Australia over the past 60 000 years, megafauna must have co-existed with humans for at least 30,000 years. For social, spiritual and economic reasons, First Nations peoples harvested game in a sustainable manner. [url=https://australian.museum/learn/australia-over-time/megafauna/]Source[/url] Until you lot produce direct evidence about extermination you're all whistling dixie.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Here, lying, stupid cockwomble.

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms14142

As reported by the Australian Geographic:


“Our study found that the demise of the megafauna in southwest Australia took place from 45,000 to 43,100 years ago and was not linked to major changes in climate, vegetation or biomass burning but is consistent with extinction being driven by ‘imperceptible overkill’ by humans,” said palaeoecologist Dr Sander van der Kaars from the Monash School of Earth, Atmosphere and Environment, who led the study.
https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/news/2017/01/humans-killed-most-of-australias-megafauna-study/

John Smith wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 3:46pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 1:52pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 11:59am: freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 11:13am: John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 11:12am: freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 11:10am: John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 11:06am: freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 10:08am: Do you, like Brian, insist that there is no evidence for Aborigines causing extinction?    Do you agree with the heading of this thread FD? I don't think they killed off the dinosaurs, if that is what you mean. No-one here seems to know. Not even you. Do you, like Brian, insist that there is no evidence for Aborigines causing extinction? No ones talking about dinosaurs FD You are not talking about anything John. Sure I am, I've even highlighted it for you. Why are you scared to answer? It's a bit vague, that's all. Like I said, I don't think they killed off the dinosaurs. Not sure why you didn't get it the first time I said it. Do you, like Brian, insist that there is no evidence for Aborigines causing extinction? the only thing vague is the space between your ears, but thats ok, I understand why you are running away from it

Do you, like Brian, insist that there is no evidence for Aborigines causing extinction?

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 4:15pm:

There is no direct evidence of Indigenous people exterminating the Australian Megafauna.  Megafauna lived with Indigenous people until approximately 7000 years ago: Quote: At the end of the last ice age, Australia's climate changed from cold-dry to warm-dry. As a result, surface water became scarce. Most inland lakes became completely dry or dry in the warmer seasons. Most large, predominantly browsing animals lost their habitat and retreated to a narrow band in eastern Australia, where there was permanent water and better vegetation. The diprotodon, one of Australia's megafauna, may have survived on the Liverpool Plains of New South Wales until about 7000 years ago. As First Nations people have been in Australia over the past 60 000 years, megafauna must have co-existed with humans for at least 30,000 years. For social, spiritual and economic reasons, First Nations peoples harvested game in a sustainable manner. [url=https://australian.museum/learn/australia-over-time/megafauna/]Source[/url] Until you lot produce direct evidence about extermination you're all whistling dixie.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

You need to be careful what you write.

Your source states: '...may have survived...' not 'did survive'. Why is that?

What's your source's take on the impact hunter-gatherers did have, or might have had, on the pre-human Australian ecology? Would he have the stupidity to suggest that of all hunter-gatherer groups, Australian hunter-gatherers had no negative impact on the pre-existing Australian ecology?

I'd bet he wouldn't.

This kind of debate is typical of the 'bending over blackwards' for the 'noble savage' mentality that is prevalent in Australia and the US.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 4:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 4:15pm: There is no direct evidence of Indigenous people exterminating the Australian Megafauna.  Megafauna lived with Indigenous people until approximately 7000 years ago: Quote: At the end of the last ice age, Australia's climate changed from cold-dry to warm-dry. As a result, surface water became scarce. Most inland lakes became completely dry or dry in the warmer seasons. Most large, predominantly browsing animals lost their habitat and retreated to a narrow band in eastern Australia, where there was permanent water and better vegetation. The diprotodon, one of Australia's megafauna, may have survived on the Liverpool Plains of New South Wales until about 7000 years ago. As First Nations people have been in Australia over the past 60 000 years, megafauna must have co-existed with humans for at least 30,000 years. For social, spiritual and economic reasons, First Nations peoples harvested game in a sustainable manner. [url=https://australian.museum/learn/australia-over-time/megafauna/]Source[/url] Until you lot produce direct evidence about extermination you're all whistling dixie.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) You need to be careful what you write. Your source states: '...may have survived...' not 'did survive'. Why is that? What's your source's take on the impact hunter-gatherers did have, or might have had, on the pre-human Australian ecology? Would he have the stupidity to suggest that of all hunter-gatherer groups, Australian hunter-gatherers had no negative impact on the pre-existing Australian ecology? I'd bet he wouldn't. This kind of debate is typical of the 'bending over blackwards' for the 'noble savage' mentality that is prevalent in Australia and the US.

No this kind of debate is based on FACTS, not heresay, which is what you are doing.  There is no direct evidence of Indigenous people being responsible for the extinction of the Australian Megafauna.  Until you can produce some, you're just whistling in the dark.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 5:11pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 4:32pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 4:15pm: There is no direct evidence of Indigenous people exterminating the Australian Megafauna.  Megafauna lived with Indigenous people until approximately 7000 years ago: Quote: At the end of the last ice age, Australia's climate changed from cold-dry to warm-dry. As a result, surface water became scarce. Most inland lakes became completely dry or dry in the warmer seasons. Most large, predominantly browsing animals lost their habitat and retreated to a narrow band in eastern Australia, where there was permanent water and better vegetation. The diprotodon, one of Australia's megafauna, may have survived on the Liverpool Plains of New South Wales until about 7000 years ago. As First Nations people have been in Australia over the past 60 000 years, megafauna must have co-existed with humans for at least 30,000 years. For social, spiritual and economic reasons, First Nations peoples harvested game in a sustainable manner. [url=https://australian.museum/learn/australia-over-time/megafauna/]Source[/url] Until you lot produce direct evidence about extermination you're all whistling dixie.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) You need to be careful what you write. Your source states: '...may have survived...' not 'did survive'. Why is that? What's your source's take on the impact hunter-gatherers did have, or might have had, on the pre-human Australian ecology? Would he have the stupidity to suggest that of all hunter-gatherer groups, Australian hunter-gatherers had no negative impact on the pre-existing Australian ecology? I'd bet he wouldn't. This kind of debate is typical of the 'bending over blackwards' for the 'noble savage' mentality that is prevalent in Australia and the US. No this kind of debate is based on FACTS, not heresay, which is what you are doing.  There is no direct evidence of Indigenous people being responsible for the extinction of the Australian Megafauna.  Until you can produce some, you're just whistling in the dark.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Even your own source hedges... 'may have survived', eh... or may not have survived.

I know you think you're combatting 'racism' with this, but what you're really doing is dehumanising Aboriginal Australians... As if they tip-toed around 5-metre reptiles respecting their right to prey on aboriginal group members. As if Australian hunter-gatherers did not use fire to make hunting easier and thereby over time radically altered the ecology which almost certainly added to extinction events. As if the dingo, introduced into Australia by aboriginal peoples had no effect on the Australian ecology.

Also, do you know what hearsay means?

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No this kind of debate is based on FACTS

So why do you tell so many lies Brian? Like this one?


Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 2:05pm:

This is  a claim, primarily by the ignorant.  There is no evidence that the Indigenous did any such thing.  None what so ever.  No remains amongst midden mounds, caves, etc.  Most of the Megafauna were dead before the arrival of the Indigenous on the continent.  More than likely because of climate change which they were not adaptable to.  So, run away Racist one and try and blame something else on the Indigenous people.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 5:32pm:

Quote: No this kind of debate is based on FACTS So why do you tell so many lies Brian? Like this one? Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 2:05pm: This is  a claim, primarily by the ignorant.  There is no evidence that the Indigenous did any such thing.  None what so ever.  No remains amongst midden mounds, caves, etc.  Most of the Megafauna were dead before the arrival of the Indigenous on the continent.  More than likely because of climate change which they were not adaptable to.  So, run away Racist one and try and blame something else on the Indigenous people.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Why wont you answer questions asked of you, Freediver?  What are you afraid of revealing?  That you bullshit and tell lies?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

They're guilty ......

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 4:15pm:

There is no direct evidence of Indigenous people exterminating the Australian Megafauna.  Megafauna lived with Indigenous people until approximately 7000 years ago: Quote: At the end of the last ice age, Australia's climate changed from cold-dry to warm-dry. As a result, surface water became scarce. Most inland lakes became completely dry or dry in the warmer seasons. Most large, predominantly browsing animals lost their habitat and retreated to a narrow band in eastern Australia, where there was permanent water and better vegetation. The diprotodon, one of Australia's megafauna, may have survived on the Liverpool Plains of New South Wales until about 7000 years ago. As First Nations people have been in Australia over the past 60 000 years, megafauna must have co-existed with humans for at least 30,000 years.]For social, spiritual and economic reasons, First Nations peoples harvested game in a sustainable manner.

'First Nations peoples harvested game in a sustainable manner', eh!

Yes, of course!

How did hunter-gatherers know they were harvesting game in a sustainable manner?

More to the point, how did the writer of this 'bent over blackwards' piece of propaganda determine what ancient hunter-gatherers were thinking regarding the Australian ecology?

Why did they use fire to burn hundreds of hectares of land, making the gathering of ready-cooked food easy? They did it because it was an efficient way of surviving in the short term, of course - and they still do - We're all only 4 weeks away from death by starvation and dehydration.

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 2:08pm:

Until one of you can produce direct evidence of Indigenous extermination of Australia's Megafauna all you have is circumstantial evidence.  Run along foolish people.   Direct evidence is lacking.  It is non-existant.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Unless you can produce direct evidence of indigenous Australians being genocided, all you have is circumstantial evidence. Run along, foolish Brian. Direct evidence is lacking. It is non-existant.

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 4:25pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 3:46pm: freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 1:52pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 11:59am: freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 11:13am: John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 11:12am: freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 11:10am: John Smith wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 11:06am: freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 10:08am: Do you, like Brian, insist that there is no evidence for Aborigines causing extinction?    Do you agree with the heading of this thread FD? I don't think they killed off the dinosaurs, if that is what you mean. No-one here seems to know. Not even you. Do you, like Brian, insist that there is no evidence for Aborigines causing extinction? No ones talking about dinosaurs FD You are not talking about anything John. Sure I am, I've even highlighted it for you. Why are you scared to answer? It's a bit vague, that's all. Like I said, I don't think they killed off the dinosaurs. Not sure why you didn't get it the first time I said it. Do you, like Brian, insist that there is no evidence for Aborigines causing extinction? the only thing vague is the space between your ears, but thats ok, I understand why you are running away from it Do you, like Brian, insist that there is no evidence for Aborigines causing extinction?

To vague for me to answer

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 5:11pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 4:32pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 4:15pm: There is no direct evidence of Indigenous people exterminating the Australian Megafauna.  Megafauna lived with Indigenous people until approximately 7000 years ago: Quote: At the end of the last ice age, Australia's climate changed from cold-dry to warm-dry. As a result, surface water became scarce. Most inland lakes became completely dry or dry in the warmer seasons. Most large, predominantly browsing animals lost their habitat and retreated to a narrow band in eastern Australia, where there was permanent water and better vegetation. The diprotodon, one of Australia's megafauna, may have survived on the Liverpool Plains of New South Wales until about 7000 years ago. As First Nations people have been in Australia over the past 60 000 years, megafauna must have co-existed with humans for at least 30,000 years. For social, spiritual and economic reasons, First Nations peoples harvested game in a sustainable manner. [url=https://australian.museum/learn/australia-over-time/megafauna/]Source[/url] Until you lot produce direct evidence about extermination you're all whistling dixie.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) You need to be careful what you write. Your source states: '...may have survived...' not 'did survive'. Why is that? What's your source's take on the impact hunter-gatherers did have, or might have had, on the pre-human Australian ecology? Would he have the stupidity to suggest that of all hunter-gatherer groups, Australian hunter-gatherers had no negative impact on the pre-existing Australian ecology? I'd bet he wouldn't. This kind of debate is typical of the 'bending over blackwards' for the 'noble savage' mentality that is prevalent in Australia and the US. No this kind of debate is based on FACTS, not heresay, which is what you are doing.  There is no direct evidence of Indigenous people being responsible for the extinction of the Australian Megafauna.  Until you can produce some, you're just whistling in the dark.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Here, lying, stupid cockwomble.

From Nature:
a marked decline indicating megafaunal population collapse, from 45,000 to 43,100 years ago, placing the extinctions within 4,000 years of human dispersal across Australia. These findings rule out climate change, and implicate humans, as the primary extinction cause.
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms14142

As reported by the Australian Geographic:
“Our study found that the demise of the megafauna in southwest Australia took place from 45,000 to 43,100 years ago and was not linked to major changes in climate, vegetation or biomass burning but is consistent with extinction being driven by ‘imperceptible overkill’ by humans,” said palaeoecologist Dr Sander van der Kaars from the Monash School of Earth, Atmosphere and Environment, who led the study.
https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/news/2017/01/humans-killed-most-of-australias-megafauna-study/


Imperceptible overkill = "harvesting game in a sustainable manner" until there are none.

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However, not everyone agrees with this view – suggesting the debate is a long way from over. “The authors try hard to make the study show evidence that humans wiped out the megafauna, but make a lot of basic mistakes along the way, notwithstanding ignoring and misrepresenting existing datasets. For instance, they state that humans arrived in Australia 47,000 years ago, but ignore the fact that the oldest evidence for the peopling of the continent is around 55,000 years ago,” commented Dr Gilbert Price, a lecturer in palaeontology at the University of Queensland. “Their reliance of the dung fungus is also problematic, he said. “The dung fungus is not found exclusively on the dung of large herbivores. The fungus is actually found on the dung of a wide range of different-sized species, from rodents to big animals, plus birds, lizards, and even carnivores,” said Gilbert. Gilbert added that the presence of Sporormiella spores is nothing more than an indicator of abundance for any animal, whatever its size or diet. He also noted that, being a fungus, climatic factors such as humidity may also influence its abundance. There is also more direct evidence pointing to a different timeframe for the extinction of these large animals, said Michael Westaway, a Senior Research Fellow at Griffith University who also wasn’t involved in this study. “Directly dated fauna is much more relevant to the debate than proxies such as spores from off sea cores. We have direct dates for megafauna at 33,000 years ago now, which essentially shows that the overkill idea is not supported from direct dates on fauna,” he saod. Another concern about this new study is that there is no clear evidence of megafauna even being around the region where the core was collected, said Gilbert. “The closest megafaunal deposits that date to the time range discussed by the authors are over 500 km away. And there, the best evidence shows that there was a progressive decline in megafaunal diversity through time, including prior to the period when humans arrived on the continent!” he adds. The final verdict is still elusive, said Michael, as current data is just not enough to reach a conclusion. “The debate requires more field research on fossil sites, certainly ecological modelling looks like a bit of fun and proxies such as cores of dung fall in this category as well but against direct dates bracketing the age of fauna they don’t amount to much,” he said.

[url=https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/news/2017/01/humans-killed-most-of-australias-megafauna-study/]Source[/url]

I suggest that in future you read entire articles, Soren and not just the highlights.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

So great is the sense of guilt over European settlement, that many have resorted to dehumanising ancient hunter-gatherers by mischaracterising them as semi-divine guardians of the land and all things that grow and walk upon it or fly across it.

Few, if anyone anywhere in the world, before the 20th century had any comprehension of conservationism and nevermind the plight of ancient hunter-gatherers who, for 60,000 years still needed to feed themselves and their dependents.

They did what all of our ancient ancestors did: they survived by hunting down prey as efficiently as they could and, I'm betting it never crossed their minds that their prey numbers were finite.

And it's not like modern humans act much differently. The Japanese and Norwegians would still hunt whales even to extinction if the rest of us would let them. The Chinese demand for Rhino horn would surpass the number of animals alive. The world demand for fish is not abating even though it's well known the oceans are being depleted.. etc... etc, etc...

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 9:05pm:

Quote: However, not everyone agrees with this view – suggesting the debate is a long way from over. “The authors try hard to make the study show evidence that humans wiped out the megafauna, but make a lot of basic mistakes along the way, notwithstanding ignoring and misrepresenting existing datasets. For instance, they state that humans arrived in Australia 47,000 years ago, but ignore the fact that the oldest evidence for the peopling of the continent is around 55,000 years ago,” commented Dr Gilbert Price, a lecturer in palaeontology at the University of Queensland. “Their reliance of the dung fungus is also problematic, he said. “The dung fungus is not found exclusively on the dung of large herbivores. The fungus is actually found on the dung of a wide range of different-sized species, from rodents to big animals, plus birds, lizards, and even carnivores,” said Gilbert. Gilbert added that the presence of Sporormiella spores is nothing more than an indicator of abundance for any animal, whatever its size or diet. He also noted that, being a fungus, climatic factors such as humidity may also influence its abundance. There is also more direct evidence pointing to a different timeframe for the extinction of these large animals, said Michael Westaway, a Senior Research Fellow at Griffith University who also wasn’t involved in this study. “Directly dated fauna is much more relevant to the debate than proxies such as spores from off sea cores. We have direct dates for megafauna at 33,000 years ago now, which essentially shows that the overkill idea is not supported from direct dates on fauna,” he saod. Another concern about this new study is that there is no clear evidence of megafauna even being around the region where the core was collected, said Gilbert. “The closest megafaunal deposits that date to the time range discussed by the authors are over 500 km away. And there, the best evidence shows that there was a progressive decline in megafaunal diversity through time, including prior to the period when humans arrived on the continent!” he adds. The final verdict is still elusive, said Michael, as current data is just not enough to reach a conclusion. “The debate requires more field research on fossil sites, certainly ecological modelling looks like a bit of fun and proxies such as cores of dung fall in this category as well but against direct dates bracketing the age of fauna they don’t amount to much,” he said. [url=https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/news/2017/01/humans-killed-most-of-australias-megafauna-study/]Source[/url] I suggest that in future you read entire articles, Soren and not just the highlights.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

So modelling is good if it supports preconceived ideas   thank you Greta - but problematic if it risks being seen as wacist.


The problem with "the climate killed the big buggers" theory is that, miraculously, it only killed animals that were easy to hunt. It didn't kill off other big animals, like elephants, hippos, giraffes, buffalo herds, bison, etc elsewhere in the world.  It just killed off animals that had little defence in numbers or agility against human hunters.

Or was the "climate change" local to Australia, caused by burning off the habitat of thise big buggers? In other words, were Aborigines the first introduced pests onto the virginal Australian continent?

Abos, like all hunter gatherers world over are really good at surviving and eat everything that's edible.

Why, pray tell, would they not have eaten megafauna?

There is no evidence that they did.  Run along, Gordon with your Racist stirring. Until you or the other Racists find direct evidence of Indigenous killing Megafauna, you're wasting your time.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 9:45pm:

There is no evidence that they did.  Run along, Gordon with your Racist stirring. Until you or the other Racists find direct evidence of Indigenous killing Megafauna, you're wasting your time.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

You're an actual retard, aren't you?

One story of megafauna stopping, or greatly obstructing, ancient human migration in its tracks is that of the American short-faced bear.

So formidable was this animal, that it prevented humans from crossing into the Americas en masse.

Of course, once its numbers finally decreased humans poured into the continents, with their overhunting causing the extinction of nearly all of the Americas' megafauna.

Gordon wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 9:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 9:45pm: There is no evidence that they did.  Run along, Gordon with your Racist stirring. Until you or the other Racists find direct evidence of Indigenous killing Megafauna, you're wasting your time.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) You're an actual retard, aren't you?

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MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 9:52pm:

One story of megafauna stopping, or greatly obstructing, ancient human migration in its tracks is that of the American short-faced bear. So formidable was this animal, that it prevented humans from crossing into the Americas en masse. Of course, once its numbers finally decreased humans poured into the continents, with their overhunting causing the extinction of nearly all of the Americas' megafauna.

We're left with 2 choices.
Abbos were.....
A: grand visionary stewards of the land and decided megafauna were off limits.
B: Too stupid to catch them.

Early humans wiped out Australia's giants
Cheryl Jones
Nature (2010)Cite this article

Climate not to blame for the extinction of Australia's big animals.

Humans, not climate change, caused the mass extinction of Australia's giant animals, such as huge kangaroos, tens of thousands of years ago.
https://www.nature.com/articles/news.2010.30

Professor Bird said the review paper concluded that there was very little room for arguing that climate change was the reason for the disappearance of Australia’s megafauna, leaving hunting by humans as the probable primary cause.

He said the period studied was so long ago they had to use a different technique to those used by most researchers of ancient history.

“It was 40 to 50,000 years ago and radiocarbon dating and other techniques are a bit flaky at those ages.”

Instead, the 16-strong team of experts went through all the existing data with a fine-tooth comb.

“There was a very careful and exhaustive rescreening of dates and evidence. Dates that passed the tests were included in the paper and those that didn’t were chucked out. We then matched the physical evidence with known climate records from the period and the history of human movement into the continent,” said Professor Bird.

It’s thought humans arrived on the Sahul landmass – an unbroken continent that is now New Guinea, the Australian mainland and Tasmania – 45 to 55,000 years ago.

Professor Bird said the finding is globally significant as the arrival of people in Sahul was the first time in Earth’s history that modern humans reached a large landmass not already occupied by other hominids.

He said this makes it an exceptionally valuable case in understanding the impact of humans on otherwise untouched ecosystems.
https://www.jcu.edu.au/news/releases/2016/february/why-did-australias-megafauna-become-extinct

But one site in western NSW -- Cuddie Springs -- stood out as an anomaly. Fossils of super-sized kangaroos, giant birds and the rhino-sized Diprotodon (the largest marsupial ever to roam Australia) were found in the same sedimentary layers as stone tools, leading some scientists to previously claim "unequivocal evidence" of a long overlap of humans and megafauna.

However, Professor Roberts -- the lead author of the Science paper "And Then There Were None?" -- says direct dating of fossils shows that the artefacts and megafauna fossils at the Cuddie Springs site were mixed together over many thousands of years, long after the giant animals had died.

"These results provide no evidence for the late survival of megafauna at this site," Professor Roberts says.

"Given that people arrived in Australia between 60,000 and 45,000 years ago, human impact was the likely extinction driver, either through hunting or habitat disturbance," he says.

Professor Brook says previous claims for sites containing younger megafauna -- such as in Kangaroo Island, eastern Victoria and the highlands of Papua New Guinea -- should also be considered suspect in the light of these revised, older dates for the Cuddie Springs fossils.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100121141109.htm

They are al professors in their fields, idiotic Bbwianesque cockwomble - unlike you, little lying bozo.

Gordon wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 9:57pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 9:52pm: One story of megafauna stopping, or greatly obstructing, ancient human migration in its tracks is that of the American short-faced bear. So formidable was this animal, that it prevented humans from crossing into the Americas en masse. Of course, once its numbers finally decreased humans poured into the continents, with their overhunting causing the extinction of nearly all of the Americas' megafauna. We're left with 2 choices. Abbos were..... A: grand visionary stewards of the land and decided megafauna were off limits. B: Too stupid to catch them.

Yep, well that's what happens when affluence-guilt trumps common sense.

Ancient Australian hunter-gatherers migrated here for the same reasons all hunter-gatherers migrated anywhere out of Africa - one reason being: easier access to hominid-naive prey animals.

Life's easy for a hunter if the animal you're throwing a spear at isn't bothered by your presence.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 10:08pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 9:57pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 9:52pm: One story of megafauna stopping, or greatly obstructing, ancient human migration in its tracks is that of the American short-faced bear. So formidable was this animal, that it prevented humans from crossing into the Americas en masse. Of course, once its numbers finally decreased humans poured into the continents, with their overhunting causing the extinction of nearly all of the Americas' megafauna. We're left with 2 choices. Abbos were..... A: grand visionary stewards of the land and decided megafauna were off limits. B: Too stupid to catch them. Yep, well that's what happens when affluence-guilt trumps common sense. Ancient Australian hunter-gatherers migrated here for the same reasons all hunter-gatherers migrated anywhere out of Africa - one reason being: easier access to hominid-naive prey animals.

Hunter gatherers where ever they are know every possible food source of the land. They have to have diversity to make up for inability to create a surplus. There is just no way they'd forego a perfectly viable food source, and suggest they didn't is actually racist.

As I keep saying, there is no direct evidence of Indigenous people preying on Megafauna.  Until you lot recognise that and actually produce some, you're on a hiding to nothing. You are simply displaying your Racism for all to see.  Indigenous Australians co-existed with the Megafauna for several thousand years.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 10:22pm:

As I keep saying, there is no direct evidence of Indigenous people preying on Megafauna.  Until you lot recognise that and actually produce some, you're on a hiding to nothing. You are simply displaying your Racism for all to see.  Indigenous Australians co-existed with the Megafauna for several thousand years.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

And eventually they ate the last one.


Being a preliterate, nomadic, primitive people roaming in small bands, there is no direct evidence for anything they did, other than survive. There is no 'direct evidence' that they were any different 50, 23, 10 or 1 thousand years ago. There is no direct evidence for ANY of their claims to anything but that they existed, unchanged, for a very long time. No sovereignty, no jurisdiction, government, laws customs, habits being any different over tens of thousands of years. They eat anything that doesnt kill them.

The megafauna existed before they arrived.  Aborigines came and spread over the continent. The megafauna disappeared soon after.

'Ello, 'ello, 'ello? What 'ave we 'ere, then?? Oh, look -   'climate crisis' (ahem) ate all the big meaty buggers. Fancy that!

Getting desperate there, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

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Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 10:45pm:

Getting desperate there, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/4148/LB9BRl.jpg

Well, like others here, I gave you scientific evidence, I gave you reasoning.
You give us tut tuts, moronic eyerolls and more tired and moronic memes with totally irrelevant idiotic sloganeering.

We are pissing ON you, not near you, cockwomble. And you love it. You come here to be humiliated and laughed at.
Sad.

Well - they preyed on everything else - and now they are going to try to prey on us all with this voice nonsense... so they preyed on the megafauna.

Someone said that Australia would become the new South Africa if it voted down the voice - couldn't be more wrong (fear campaign again) - the majority here rule.... not the minority.... Australia would become the new South Africa if it voted for the voice...

I'd say the NO vote is somewhere up around 80-90% at this time... only the fools who know nothing but 'feelings' are saying they would vote for it.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 11^th, 2023 at 3:41am:

Someone said that Australia would become the new South Africa if it voted down the voice...

Nope.   Silly claim.

Black South African population = 80.2%.

Australian Aboriginal population = 3.8%.

brian is a parody account right

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 11^th, 2023 at 3:41am:

Someone said that Australia would become the new South Africa if it voted down the voice

and you were the only one stupid enough to believe them

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 10:08pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 9:57pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 9:52pm: One story of megafauna stopping, or greatly obstructing, ancient human migration in its tracks is that of the American short-faced bear. So formidable was this animal, that it prevented humans from crossing into the Americas en masse. Of course, once its numbers finally decreased humans poured into the continents, with their overhunting causing the extinction of nearly all of the Americas' megafauna. We're left with 2 choices. Abbos were..... A: grand visionary stewards of the land and decided megafauna were off limits. B: Too stupid to catch them. Yep, well that's what happens when affluence-guilt trumps common sense. Ancient Australian hunter-gatherers migrated here for the same reasons all hunter-gatherers migrated anywhere out of Africa - one reason being: easier access to hominid-naive prey animals. Life's easy for a hunter if the animal you're throwing a spear at isn't bothered by your presence.

They may have been looking for "easier access," but that does not mean they found it.

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 5:41pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 5:32pm: Quote: No this kind of debate is based on FACTS So why do you tell so many lies Brian? Like this one? Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9th, 2023 at 2:05pm: This is  a claim, primarily by the ignorant.  There is no evidence that the Indigenous did any such thing.  None what so ever.  No remains amongst midden mounds, caves, etc.  Most of the Megafauna were dead before the arrival of the Indigenous on the continent.  More than likely because of climate change which they were not adaptable to.  So, run away Racist one and try and blame something else on the Indigenous people.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Why wont you answer questions asked of you, Freediver?  What are you afraid of revealing?  That you bullshit and tell lies?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Do you still insist there is no evidence of aborigines causing extinction?


Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 10:22pm:

As I keep saying, there is no direct evidence

You keep changing what you say Brian, like you have some vague awareness of how full of crap you are. Is it a conscious decision, or do you just keep changing your story until fewer people tell you that you are bullshitting?

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 9^th, 2023 at 9:29pm:

The jealousy is quite palpable amongst the Racists, seeking ways to discredit Indigenous inventiveness and capability.  There is no direct proof they were responsible for the death of the Australian Megafauna.  There is direct scientific proof they did conduct trade over a large part of the Australian continent.  Grow up you lot of losers and recognise them for what they were, an advanced stone-age culture that lasted 60,000+ years.  All your harping is tiresome and a WOFTAM.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Advanced? ;D ;D Classic fruitloopology.

You meant to say they "stayed a stone age culture for 60,000 years" ... yes?

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 5:11pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 4:32pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10th, 2023 at 4:15pm: There is no direct evidence of Indigenous people exterminating the Australian Megafauna.  Megafauna lived with Indigenous people until approximately 7000 years ago: Quote: At the end of the last ice age, Australia's climate changed from cold-dry to warm-dry. As a result, surface water became scarce. Most inland lakes became completely dry or dry in the warmer seasons. Most large, predominantly browsing animals lost their habitat and retreated to a narrow band in eastern Australia, where there was permanent water and better vegetation. The diprotodon, one of Australia's megafauna, may have survived on the Liverpool Plains of New South Wales until about 7000 years ago. As First Nations people have been in Australia over the past 60 000 years, megafauna must have co-existed with humans for at least 30,000 years. For social, spiritual and economic reasons, First Nations peoples harvested game in a sustainable manner. [url=https://australian.museum/learn/australia-over-time/megafauna/]Source[/url] Until you lot produce direct evidence about extermination you're all whistling dixie.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) You need to be careful what you write. Your source states: '...may have survived...' not 'did survive'. Why is that? What's your source's take on the impact hunter-gatherers did have, or might have had, on the pre-human Australian ecology? Would he have the stupidity to suggest that of all hunter-gatherer groups, Australian hunter-gatherers had no negative impact on the pre-existing Australian ecology? I'd bet he wouldn't. This kind of debate is typical of the 'bending over blackwards' for the 'noble savage' mentality that is prevalent in Australia and the US. No this kind of debate is based on FACTS, not heresay, which is what you are doing.  There is no direct evidence of Indigenous people being responsible for the extinction of the Australian Megafauna.  Until you can produce some, you're just whistling in the dark.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

"May haves" are not facts Bwyan. Pure hypothetical/assumptions.