Sacred birthing tree vandalised as highway duplication route dispute ramps up :o

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 14^th, 2023 at 2:50pm:

Sacred birthing tree vandalised as highway duplication route dispute ramps up :o

It's good to see Makarrata in action: coming together in peace after a long dispute.
Makarrata is another word for Treaty or agreement-making. It is the culmination of our agenda. It captures our aspirations for a fair and honest relationship with government and a better future for our children based on justice and self-determination.

Be buggared!  How many sacred birthing trees are there and how do they get that title?

Ooogie Boogie

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 14^th, 2023 at 2:50pm:

Sacred birthing tree vandalised as highway duplication route dispute ramps up :o

Do you actually believe in and credit Aboriginal sorcery and superstition, cockwomble?

My first question would be to ask how old
this tree is estimated to be.  If it's less than
235 years old, then it's not classified as
"sacred".  If it predates 1788, then I'd classify
it as sacred.

The other thing of course is when exactly was
it declared sacred by the local Aborigines?

They ate babies soon after birth



“The natives to the south eat human flesh. It is said that they engage in regular human hunting parties for this purpose … It is even said that they roast and eat their own infants, if they succeed each other too quickly. Only last year a woman not far from here did it, and when reproved for so doing, by means of an interpreter (for they speak a different language), she was surprised at being found fault with, as she considered the roasting and eating of her own child as something quite natural.” (Rev. Louis Schulze, missionary, “The Aborigines of the Upper and Middle Finke River: Their Habits and Customs”, in Transactions of the Royal Society of South Australia, vol. 14, 1891.)


“Mr Willshire declares that infanticide is a very common crime among the natives, and that lubras [Aboriginal women] as a rule kill off their surplus offspring, two being considered a full family. A sable matron once owned to him that she had killed three of her five children immediately after birth, and remarked, ‘me bin keep em one boy one girl, no good keep em mob, him too much wantem tuckout’.” — Review of W.H. Willshire’s The Aborigines of Central Australia, in the South Australian Register, May 14, 1889.


“In parts of New South Wales such as Bathurst, Goulburn, the Lachlan or Macquarie, it was customary long ago for the first-born of every lubra to be eaten by the tribe, as part of a religious ceremony; and I recollect a blackfellow who had, in compliance with the custom, been thrown when an infant on the fire, but was rescued and brought up by some stock-keepers who happened accidentally to be passing at the time. The marks of the burns were distinctly visible on the man when I saw him, and his story was well known in the locality.” –– R. Brough Smith, The Aborigines of Victoria, Volume One, 1878.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 14^th, 2023 at 7:04pm:

Be buggared!  How many sacred birthing trees are there and how do they get that title?

It is decided by the Voice team:

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Eastern Maar Aboriginal Corporation offers reward for information on Buangor birthing tree vandalism [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Boris wrote on Aug 15^th, 2023 at 8:02am:

They ate babies soon after birth “The natives to the south eat human flesh. It is said that they engage in regular human hunting parties for this purpose … It is even said that they roast and eat their own infants, if they succeed each other too quickly. Only last year a woman not far from here did it, and when reproved for so doing, by means of an interpreter (for they speak a different language), she was surprised at being found fault with, as she considered the roasting and eating of her own child as something quite natural.” (Rev. Louis Schulze, missionary, “The Aborigines of the Upper and Middle Finke River: Their Habits and Customs”, in Transactions of the Royal Society of South Australia, vol. 14, 1891.) “Mr Willshire declares that infanticide is a very common crime among the natives, and that lubras [Aboriginal women] as a rule kill off their surplus offspring, two being considered a full family. A sable matron once owned to him that she had killed three of her five children immediately after birth, and remarked, ‘me bin keep em one boy one girl, no good keep em mob, him too much wantem tuckout’.” — Review of W.H. Willshire’s The Aborigines of Central Australia, in the South Australian Register, May 14, 1889. “In parts of New South Wales such as Bathurst, Goulburn, the Lachlan or Macquarie, it was customary long ago for the first-born of every lubra to be eaten by the tribe, as part of a religious ceremony; and I recollect a blackfellow who had, in compliance with the custom, been thrown when an infant on the fire, but was rescued and brought up by some stock-keepers who happened accidentally to be passing at the time. The marks of the burns were distinctly visible on the man when I saw him, and his story was well known in the locality.” –– R. Brough Smith, The Aborigines of Victoria, Volume One, 1878.

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 14^th, 2023 at 2:50pm:

Sacred birthing tree vandalised as highway duplication route dispute ramps up :o

Birthing tree sacred site= ancient superstition with no basis in reality.

AusGeoff wrote on Aug 15^th, 2023 at 5:12am:

My first question would be to ask how old this tree is estimated to be.  If it's less than 235 years old, then it's not classified as "sacred".  If it predates 1788, then I'd classify it as sacred. The other thing of course is when exactly was it declared sacred by the local Aborigines?

Soooooooo wacist, OMG! OMG!!! Questioning, are you, pale faced racist oppressor, coloniser, DISPOSSESSOR???

Well, are you, punk??

Hate, hate hate, racist, racist, racist, self-sensor if you know what's good for you, disinformation spreading conspiracy theorist,  you!  And RACIST!   Tsk, tsk, tsk   ::) ::)


Love youse,
Bbbwian
Doktor of Divinity (mail order).
(Oh, yes, don't you know, racist.)

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 15^th, 2023 at 2:06pm:

Eastern Maar Aboriginal Corporation offers reward for information on Buangor birthing tree vandalism [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

... investigating police can find no solid leads to this act ..... however, questions are being raised in the youse of the legality of an Aboriginal corporation offering a reward ..... see more later ...............

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 15^th, 2023 at 3:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 14th, 2023 at 2:50pm: Sacred birthing tree vandalised as highway duplication route dispute ramps up :o Birthing tree sacred site= ancient superstition with no basis in reality.

Neither has any religion, Judaism, Buddhism, Christianity and Islam, for example...  Are you as equally critical of them?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 15^th, 2023 at 9:19pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 15th, 2023 at 3:25pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 14th, 2023 at 2:50pm: Sacred birthing tree vandalised as highway duplication route dispute ramps up :o Birthing tree sacred site= ancient superstition with no basis in reality. Neither has any religion, Judaism, Buddhism, Christianity and Islam, for example...  Are you as equally critical of them?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Relevance to the thread YOU STARTED, cockwomble?

Frank wrote on Aug 15^th, 2023 at 9:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 15th, 2023 at 9:19pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 15th, 2023 at 3:25pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 14th, 2023 at 2:50pm: Sacred birthing tree vandalised as highway duplication route dispute ramps up :o Birthing tree sacred site= ancient superstition with no basis in reality. Neither has any religion, Judaism, Buddhism, Christianity and Islam, for example...  Are you as equally critical of them?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Relevance to the thread YOU STARTED, cockwomble?

If you need it explained to you, Soren, there is little point in you bothering with it. Let me guess, you're a Christian?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 15^th, 2023 at 9:34pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 15th, 2023 at 9:22pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 15th, 2023 at 9:19pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 15th, 2023 at 3:25pm: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 14th, 2023 at 2:50pm: Sacred birthing tree vandalised as highway duplication route dispute ramps up :o Birthing tree sacred site= ancient superstition with no basis in reality. Neither has any religion, Judaism, Buddhism, Christianity and Islam, for example...  Are you as equally critical of them?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Relevance to the thread YOU STARTED, cockwomble? If you need it explained to you, Soren, there is little point in you bothering with it. Let me guess, you're a Christian?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

If you could explain it you would have already, cockwomble.  But instead you are hinting mysteriously because you are caught out and you are too stupid to articulate a supposedly simple point.  So you hide behind "oh, if you cant read my mind then there is no point to me telling you what I think".  You You are a ridiculous, inarticulate, bewildered cockwomble who has no idea and no words.

But you have a doctorate...... $19.99  plus postage.

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 14^th, 2023 at 2:50pm:

Sacred birthing tree vandalised as highway duplication route dispute ramps up :o

;D ;D

Gnads wrote on Aug 16^th, 2023 at 9:42am:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 14th, 2023 at 2:50pm: Sacred birthing tree vandalised as highway duplication route dispute ramps up :o ;D ;D

A tree under which some Aboriginal woman takes a break in the shade long ago to drop the bundle now becomes a 'sacred tree'?  Just about every tree in Australia would be a sacred tree if it was old enough.

There could be some truth in the idea that the Indigenous are terminally stupid.... below is a prime example... what?  No more welcomes to country and smoking ceremonies?  Buggar - I just don't know what I'd do with myself....

Professor   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D     Faculty of Indigenous Fantasies - Professors Langton and Pascoe.....

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Only a culture that has never built anything would declare a tree to be sacred.

Boris wrote on Aug 15^th, 2023 at 8:02am:

They ate babies soon after birth “The natives to the south eat human flesh. It is said that they engage in regular human hunting parties for this purpose … It is even said that they roast and eat their own infants, if they succeed each other too quickly. Only last year a woman not far from here did it, and when reproved for so doing, by means of an interpreter (for they speak a different language), she was surprised at being found fault with, as she considered the roasting and eating of her own child as something quite natural.” (Rev. Louis Schulze, missionary, “The Aborigines of the Upper and Middle Finke River: Their Habits and Customs”, in Transactions of the Royal Society of South Australia, vol. 14, 1891.) “Mr Willshire declares that infanticide is a very common crime among the natives, and that lubras [Aboriginal women] as a rule kill off their surplus offspring, two being considered a full family. A sable matron once owned to him that she had killed three of her five children immediately after birth, and remarked, ‘me bin keep em one boy one girl, no good keep em mob, him too much wantem tuckout’.” — Review of W.H. Willshire’s The Aborigines of Central Australia, in the South Australian Register, May 14, 1889. “In parts of New South Wales such as Bathurst, Goulburn, the Lachlan or Macquarie, it was customary long ago for the first-born of every lubra to be eaten by the tribe, as part of a religious ceremony; and I recollect a blackfellow who had, in compliance with the custom, been thrown when an infant on the fire, but was rescued and brought up by some stock-keepers who happened accidentally to be passing at the time. The marks of the burns were distinctly visible on the man when I saw him, and his story was well known in the locality.” –– R. Brough Smith, The Aborigines of Victoria, Volume One, 1878.

Well - they do bash, murder, rape and eat babies... not necessarily in that order...

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 15^th, 2023 at 3:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 14th, 2023 at 2:50pm: Sacred birthing tree vandalised as highway duplication route dispute ramps up :o Birthing tree sacred site= ancient superstition with no basis in reality.

Another Hindmarsh Island exercise.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 15^th, 2023 at 8:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 15th, 2023 at 2:06pm: Eastern Maar Aboriginal Corporation offers reward for information on Buangor birthing tree vandalism [smiley=thumbsup.gif] ... investigating police can find no solid leads to this act ..... however, questions are being raised in the youse of the legality of an Aboriginal corporation offering a reward ..... see more later ...............

The Eastern Maar Aboriginal Corporation has only existed since 2011.

The whole claim has lost any credibility with Lydiot Thorpe putting her schnozzle in the picture. ;D   

Gordon wrote on Aug 16^th, 2023 at 4:52pm:

Only a culture that has never built anything would declare a tree to be sacred.

Gee, those Celts were up to something, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 17^th, 2023 at 1:41pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 16th, 2023 at 4:52pm: Only a culture that has never built anything would declare a tree to be sacred. Gee, those Celts were up to something, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Quite a different imagination, Celts and Aborigines.

You are an ignorant but vain idiot, Bbwian, you know nothing of Celtic or Aboriginal culture (or Muslim, Chinese etc). You reveal a deep, abiding Pascoesque ignorance by even Implying that Celts and Aborigines have much in common because  'sacred trees' comes in a Google search.

It is not unusual for cockwombles like you (the outrageously stupid with very high opinion of their own wisdom and importance) to cover up your utter, total ignorance of other cultures, and of your own.

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Yeah, yeah, Soren, what ever you want to proclaim, hey?  Pity it isn't supported by any research.   Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Quite a different imagination, Celts and Aborigines.


https://youtu.be/27cNb6l-hnk

https://www.irelandbeforeyoudie.com/celtic-birth-trees/

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Yeah, yeah, Soren, what ever you want to proclaim, hey?  Pity it isn't supported by any research.   Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 17^th, 2023 at 11:46am:

Well - they do bash, murder, rape and eat babies... not necessarily in that order...

Boris wrote on Aug 18^th, 2023 at 1:15pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 17th, 2023 at 11:46am: Well - they do bash, murder, rape and eat babies... not necessarily in that order...

Yet ANOTHER offensive, bigoted, racist post
from Boris.  His comments are becoming more
hateful and reprehensible as time progresses.

My suggestion is that Boris is banned. [see highlight]

He repeatedly breaches one of the forum's
rules, that is, "Racism will be judged in a
similar way to pornography—that is, is the
criticism necessary to get a point of view
across, or is it a gratuitous attack on a racial group?

What about it mods/administrator?

             >:(    

Frank wrote on Aug 18^th, 2023 at 10:26am:

Quite a different imagination, Celts and Aborigines. https://youtu.be/27cNb6l-hnk https://www.irelandbeforeyoudie.com/celtic-birth-trees/

Gabriel Byrne.... Gaelic ... Celts are a different group... similar origin but arrived via a different route and had different language etc ... why do you think they call it 'Highland Gaelic' on the West Coast of Scotland and not 'Highland Celtic'?

My son is more Celtic with his skin and reddish hair... his mother's fault... the Gaels are more like me with our noses etc.

AusGeoff wrote on Aug 18^th, 2023 at 1:19pm:

Boris wrote on Aug 18th, 2023 at 1:15pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 17th, 2023 at 11:46am: Well - they do bash, murder, rape and eat babies... not necessarily in that order... Yet ANOTHER offensive, bigoted, racist post from Boris.  His comments are becoming more hateful and reprehensible as time progresses. My suggestion is that Boris is banned. [see highlight] He repeatedly breaches one of the forum's rules, that is, "Racism will be judged in a similar way to pornography—that is, is the criticism necessary to get a point of view across, or is it a gratuitous attack on a racial group? What about it mods/administrator?              >:(

That was my post - Boris' quote ....

He is blind with stupidity

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My, what a Narcissist thing for you to claim, Matty. You denigrate anybody who dares to criticise you.  Naughty, naughty, it does not become you, he who proclaims his superiority everywhere.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Djab Wurrung birthing tree near Western Highway upgrade site confirmed poisoned :(

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2023 at 1:26pm:

Djab Wurrung birthing tree near Western Highway upgrade site confirmed poisoned :(

The duplication of the Western Highway between Buangor and Ararat has been halted since 2020 due to Djab Wurrung campaigning, including at the former embassy site where protesters set up camp.



Tree planting halted in WA, highway opening halted, highway extension halted, bridge building halted b ed caused of 'secret women's business', access to Ayers Rock halted, sacred sites pop up left right and centre.  - welcome to country.