The Voice would certainly demand these payments. Just listen to the most vocal YES campaigners, but Albanese is trying to weasel out of it.

Unlike most Aboriginals, I can document my ancestors for many generations in Europe, America, and here. They came to Australia in good faith and they did not kill Aboriginals. I categorically reject any suggestion that I have inherited anything from those who stole from Aboriginals, or killed them, or that I owe indigenous people anything that should be paid out of the public purse that people of many cultures and nations contribute to.

Let the YES voters have their wages garnisheed. Should the Vietnamese and Sudanese Australians be included, or be exempt because they are not white?

I offered a GofundMe page where those who want to donate to rent and reparations for the Aborigines could do so.

I think I'll go ahead with that and see how much comes in....

For those advocating this voice and all it entails.... you are welcome to donate all you like - I flatly refuse to for the same reasons as laid out below, and a lot more.

issuevoter wrote on Aug 18^th, 2023 at 3:27pm:

Let the YES voters have their wages garnisheed.

Many of the "yes" voters will be aboriginal. So, they will just exempt themselves from paying.

Rent and reparations will only prolong the cultural funk Aboriginals are in.

Yes they need extra help, but that help should be only in the form of education which pays off in multiples of what is spent.

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 18^th, 2023 at 4:28pm:

issuevoter wrote on Aug 18th, 2023 at 3:27pm: Let the YES voters have their wages garnisheed. Many of the "yes" voters will be aboriginal. So, they will just exempt themselves from paying.

Well - Albo sure won't be offering a percentage - a tithe - of his incomes.... unlike you scum - he's EARNED all that!!  You bludgers, stinking mortgage owners and common workers, can just pay and love it.... none of you will feel the pain of $100 lifted from you every week to pay for bludging nationwide.

https://media.tenor.com/DdU_I7t2ze8AAAAC/when-you%27re-slapped-you%27ll-take-it-and-like-it-humphrey-bogart.gif

Gordon wrote on Aug 18^th, 2023 at 4:44pm:

Rent and reparations will only prolong the cultural funk Aboriginals are in. Yes they need extra help, but that help should be only in the form of education which pays off in multiples of what is spent.

Is no education - is no funding...... Australian Rules...

What absolute moron on this Planet thinks that individuals are ever going to be paid a red cent because of 1788?

What absolute moron on this Planet thinks that a group of individuals are ever going to be paid a red cent because of 1788?

Sure, better funding of programmed seeking to bridge the gap will occur, but there will never ever be reparations.

Lidia Thorpe is kidding herself and anyone who is dumb enough to believe her (seems that includes Grappler and Gordon.)  She et al have a right or entitlement to sweet bugger all and whatever is spent on those programmes will be spent because it is the right thing to do, not because of anything else.

As I have said elsewhere, the Voice is about money, as stupid as that may sound to some.

Aussie wrote on Aug 18^th, 2023 at 5:13pm:

What absolute moron on this Planet thinks that individuals are ever going to be paid a red cent because of 1788? What absolute moron on this Planet thinks that a group of individuals are ever going to be paid a red cent because of 1788?

Issuevoter
Crappler
Turdie
Unsub
Sorend
  need i go on?

Aussie wrote on Aug 18^th, 2023 at 5:13pm:

What absolute moron on this Planet thinks that individuals are ever going to be paid a red cent because of 1788? What absolute moron on this Planet thinks that a group of individuals are ever going to be paid a red cent because of 1788? Sure, better funding of programmed seeking to bridge the gap will occur, but there will never ever be reparations. Lidia Thorpe is kidding herself and anyone who is dumb enough to believe her (seems that includes Grappler and Gordon.)  She et al have a right or entitlement to sweet bugger all and whatever is spent on those programmes will be spent because it is the right thing to do, not because of anything else.

Land councils - who gets the money they are paid?


Royalties divide Yunupingu family
Jennifer Sexton
11jun05

GALARRWUY Yunupingu, the Northern Territory's most powerful black leader, is at the centre of a deep family rift over millions of dollars in mining royalties.

Many of his own clan, in their remote coastal homelands 600km east of Darwin, live in squalid and impoverished conditions while Mr Yunupingu has the use of a helicopter, four houses and a fleet of cars, including a Range Rover.
His fourth son, Sammy Yunupingu, sister Gayili Marika (nee Yunupingu) and cousin Dhanjah Gurruwiwi say that only some members have benefited from Mr Yunupingu's distribution of up to $5million a year in royalties, grants and rents.

Audit reports obtained by The Weekend Australian have, for the past four years, warned that there is no evidence to prove that "clan distributions" have been properly allocated through the Gumatj Association, which receives royalties and other funds and is chaired by Mr Yunupingu.

While the Northern Territory Justice Department, which administers the Gumatj Association, has failed to act, the Howard Government launched an investigation last week.

Traditional Arnhem Land owners say that they are missing out because the money is supposed to be shared.
http://www.kooriweb.org/foley/news/2000s/2005/woz11jun05b.html


Galarrwuy Yunupingu: Lord of the Manor
8th August 2023 
https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2023/08-online/galarrwuy-yunupingu-lord-of-the-manor-2/

John Smith wrote on Aug 18^th, 2023 at 5:50pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 18th, 2023 at 5:13pm: What absolute moron on this Planet thinks that individuals are ever going to be paid a red cent because of 1788? What absolute moron on this Planet thinks that a group of individuals are ever going to be paid a red cent because of 1788? Issuevoter Crappler Turdie Unsub Sorend   need i go on?

The price of liberty is eternal vigilance - by calling out these things in advance - and they are clearly stated in the 'Uluru Declaration' - you warn them that it is not on and they do a smith and Aussie and back down like mongrel dingoes on Fraser Island.

"The Dialogues discussed who would be the parties to Treaty, as well as the process, content
and enforcement questions that pursuing Treaty raises. In relation to process, these questions
included whether a Treaty should be negotiated first as a national framework agreement under
which regional and local treaties are made. In relation to content, the Dialogues discussed that
a Treaty could include a proper say in decision-making, the establishment of a truth
commission, reparations, a financial settlement (such as seeking a percentage of GDP), the
resolution of land, water and resources issues, recognition of authority and customary law, and
guarantees of respect for the rights of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples."

page 105 - scary, isn't it?  First it was Albo's mythical 1..... then it was only 26  ........   now it's 112 .... this starts at page 87... page 87... page 87.... 112 - 86 = 26 .... where are the missing 86... 86 .....86 pages?

WHERE ARE THE MISSING 86 PAGES OF THE ULURU STATEMENT?   8-)  8-)  8-)

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 18^th, 2023 at 7:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2023 at 5:50pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 18th, 2023 at 5:13pm: What absolute moron on this Planet thinks that individuals are ever going to be paid a red cent because of 1788? What absolute moron on this Planet thinks that a group of individuals are ever going to be paid a red cent because of 1788? Issuevoter Crappler Turdie Unsub Sorend   need i go on? The price of liberty is eternal vigilance - by calling out these things in advance - and they are clearly stated in the 'Uluru Declaration' - you warn them that it is not on and they do a smith and Aussie and back down like mongrel dingoes on Fraser Island. "The Dialogues discussed who would be the parties to Treaty, as well as the process, content and enforcement questions that pursuing Treaty raises. In relation to process, these questions included whether a Treaty should be negotiated first as a national framework agreement under which regional and local treaties are made. In relation to content, the Dialogues discussed that a Treaty could include a proper say in decision-making, the establishment of a truth commission, reparations, a financial settlement (such as seeking a percentage of GDP), the resolution of land, water and resources issues, recognition of authority and customary law, and guarantees of respect for the rights of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples." page 105 - scary, isn't it?  First it was Albo's mythical 1..... then it was only 26  ........   now it's 112 .... this starts at page 87... page 87... page 87.... 112 - 86 = 26 .... where are the missing 86... 86 .....86 pages? WHERE ARE THE MISSING 86 PAGES OF THE ULURU STATEMENT?   8-)  8-)  8-)

Kite flying aspirational wish list log book claim garbage.

But, you keep hamming it up to mislead, Grappler.  Don't let me stop you scaring the children with the black boogieman around here.

The Oils even wrote a song about it.

The time has come to say fair's fair
To pay the rent, to pay our share
The time has come, a fact's a fact
It belongs to them, let's give it back

Gordon wrote on Aug 18^th, 2023 at 7:10pm:

The Oils even wrote a song about it. The time has come to say fair's fair To pay the rent, to pay our share The time has come, a fact's a fact It belongs to them, let's give it back

And so......smacking....what?

Aussie wrote on Aug 18^th, 2023 at 7:11pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 18th, 2023 at 7:10pm: The Oils even wrote a song about it. The time has come to say fair's fair To pay the rent, to pay our share The time has come, a fact's a fact It belongs to them, let's give it back And so......smacking....what?

How can you sleep while the beds are burning?

Gordon wrote on Aug 18^th, 2023 at 7:48pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 18th, 2023 at 7:11pm: Gordon wrote on Aug 18th, 2023 at 7:10pm: The Oils even wrote a song about it. The time has come to say fair's fair To pay the rent, to pay our share The time has come, a fact's a fact It belongs to them, let's give it back And so......smacking....what? How can you sleep while the beds are burning?

How can we dance
When our earth is turning?
How do we sleep
While our beds are burning?

We didn't start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world's been turning
We didn't start the fire
No, we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it

Setanta wrote on Aug 18^th, 2023 at 7:52pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 18th, 2023 at 7:48pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 18th, 2023 at 7:11pm: Gordon wrote on Aug 18th, 2023 at 7:10pm: The Oils even wrote a song about it. The time has come to say fair's fair To pay the rent, to pay our share The time has come, a fact's a fact It belongs to them, let's give it back And so......smacking....what? How can you sleep while the beds are burning? How can we dance When our earth is turning? How do we sleep While our beds are burning? We didn't start the fire It was always burning Since the world's been turning We didn't start the fire No, we didn't light it But we tried to fight it

Well, Romeo and Juliet
Samson and Delilah
Baby you can bet
A love they couldn't deny
My words say split
But my words they lie
'Cause when we kiss, ooh
Fire

Aussie wrote on Aug 18^th, 2023 at 7:07pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 18th, 2023 at 7:02pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2023 at 5:50pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 18th, 2023 at 5:13pm: What absolute moron on this Planet thinks that individuals are ever going to be paid a red cent because of 1788? What absolute moron on this Planet thinks that a group of individuals are ever going to be paid a red cent because of 1788? Issuevoter Crappler Turdie Unsub Sorend   need i go on? The price of liberty is eternal vigilance - by calling out these things in advance - and they are clearly stated in the 'Uluru Declaration' - you warn them that it is not on and they do a smith and Aussie and back down like mongrel dingoes on Fraser Island. "The Dialogues discussed who would be the parties to Treaty, as well as the process, content and enforcement questions that pursuing Treaty raises. In relation to process, these questions included whether a Treaty should be negotiated first as a national framework agreement under which regional and local treaties are made. In relation to content, the Dialogues discussed that a Treaty could include a proper say in decision-making, the establishment of a truth commission, reparations, a financial settlement (such as seeking a percentage of GDP), the resolution of land, water and resources issues, recognition of authority and customary law, and guarantees of respect for the rights of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples." page 105 - scary, isn't it?  First it was Albo's mythical 1..... then it was only 26  ........   now it's 112 .... this starts at page 87... page 87... page 87.... 112 - 86 = 26 .... where are the missing 86... 86 .....86 pages? WHERE ARE THE MISSING 86 PAGES OF THE ULURU STATEMENT?   8-)  8-)  8-) Kite flying aspirational wish list log book claim garbage. But, you keep hamming it up to mislead, Grappler.  Don't let me stop you scaring the children with the black boogieman around here.

As long as the reality remains in the front of their minds, they are less likely to make a fatal mistake that leads us all inexorably into civil war.

Just vote NO and get over it... get on with finding valid solutions to all the Ab original (not Indigenous) problems .... starting with making sure all their lovely goes where it is supposed to.... Jesus - every year there are complaints from tribes that their royalty money isn't getting to the coal face (sic) while the fat cats handling it live first class off it.... WTF?

Aussie wrote on Aug 18^th, 2023 at 7:11pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 18th, 2023 at 7:10pm: The Oils even wrote a song about it. The time has come to say fair's fair To pay the rent, to pay our share The time has come, a fact's a fact It belongs to them, let's give it back And so......smacking....what?

Albo was wearing the t shirt.

As a PM.

He is lying all the way to voting day.  This referendum could not have been brought on honest terms. It depends ENTIRELY on the YES case lying about it, blatantly,

One of the nation’s leading silks has warned that the referendum on the proposed Indigenous voice to parliament is vulnerable to legal challenge in the High Court because it misleads voters.

Stuart Wood KC has produced a legal opinion that says the referendum question fails to state the core function of the proposed Indigenous voice to parliament and the executive.

Instead, the question that will be presented to voters emphasised the notion of constitutional recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people.

In an opinion written jointly with barristers Paul Jeffreys and Jakub Patela, Mr Wood states that the emphasis in the referendum question on constitutional recognition is significant because there is differential support among electors for recognition and the proposed voice.

“In our view, the government’s proposed question misleads and misinforms voters about what they are being asked to approve,” they write.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/indigenous-voice-to-parliament-wording-could-be-challenged-in-court/news-story/bf4e0591613cd9d58c224148e6ccc47f



Taxi!!
Arssie, go back to being an aspiring conveyancing secretary, you are waaaaay out of your depth.

Frank wrote on Aug 18^th, 2023 at 8:06pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 18th, 2023 at 7:11pm: Gordon wrote on Aug 18th, 2023 at 7:10pm: The Oils even wrote a song about it. The time has come to say fair's fair To pay the rent, to pay our share The time has come, a fact's a fact It belongs to them, let's give it back And so......smacking....what? Albo was wearing the t shirt. As a PM. He is lying all the way to voting day.  This referendum could not have been brought on honest terms. It depends ENTIRELY on the YES case lying about it, blatantly, One of the nation’s leading silks has warned that the referendum on the proposed Indigenous voice to parliament is vulnerable to legal challenge in the High Court because it misleads voters. Stuart Wood KC has produced a legal opinion that says the referendum question fails to state the core function of the proposed Indigenous voice to parliament and the executive. Instead, the question that will be presented to voters emphasised the notion of constitutional recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people. In an opinion written jointly with barristers Paul Jeffreys and Jakub Patela, Mr Wood states that the emphasis in the referendum question on constitutional recognition is significant because there is differential support among electors for recognition and the proposed voice. “In our view, the government’s proposed question misleads and misinforms voters about what they are being asked to approve,” they write. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/indigenous-voice-to-parliament-wording-could-be-challenged-in-court/news-story/bf4e0591613cd9d58c224148e6ccc47f Taxi!! Arssie, go back to being an aspiring conveyancing secretary, you are waaaaay out of your depth.

It ain't me out of my depth, Frank.  This buggerer is a dud.

Link.

;D

Aussie wrote on Aug 18^th, 2023 at 9:01pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 18th, 2023 at 8:06pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 18th, 2023 at 7:11pm: Gordon wrote on Aug 18th, 2023 at 7:10pm: The Oils even wrote a song about it. The time has come to say fair's fair To pay the rent, to pay our share The time has come, a fact's a fact It belongs to them, let's give it back And so......smacking....what? Albo was wearing the t shirt. As a PM. He is lying all the way to voting day.  This referendum could not have been brought on honest terms. It depends ENTIRELY on the YES case lying about it, blatantly, One of the nation’s leading silks has warned that the referendum on the proposed Indigenous voice to parliament is vulnerable to legal challenge in the High Court because it misleads voters. Stuart Wood KC has produced a legal opinion that says the referendum question fails to state the core function of the proposed Indigenous voice to parliament and the executive. Instead, the question that will be presented to voters emphasised the notion of constitutional recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people. In an opinion written jointly with barristers Paul Jeffreys and Jakub Patela, Mr Wood states that the emphasis in the referendum question on constitutional recognition is significant because there is differential support among electors for recognition and the proposed voice. “In our view, the government’s proposed question misleads and misinforms voters about what they are being asked to approve,” they write. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/indigenous-voice-to-parliament-wording-could-be-challenged-in-court/news-story/bf4e0591613cd9d58c224148e6ccc47f Taxi!! Arssie, go back to being an aspiring conveyancing secretary, you are waaaaay out of your depth. It ain't me out of my depth, Frank.  This buggerer is a dud. Link. ;D

An ARGUMENT, arse. Not a conclusion.
An argument.
There is no way a referendum on a contentious argument would or should pass.


Taxi!

Aussie wrote on Aug 18^th, 2023 at 7:11pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 18th, 2023 at 7:10pm: The Oils even wrote a song about it. The time has come to say fair's fair To pay the rent, to pay our share The time has come, a fact's a fact It belongs to them, let's give it back And so......smacking....what?

Sounds like you might be scared its true, and your faith is shaken.

At 6:07, Lydia Thorpe tells a spellbound, aquiescent Press Club, it is about MONEY.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7IDrYpuINg

Well - it is about money - but Thorpe is just running the wires pushing for a part of the whole deal - her idea of some mythical treaty, so she's not on my 'side', nor do I pay any attention to her, same as all the rest.... Sky and all.... I pop in just to see what they've got - everyone has the right to a view and to have that view reviewed by the public..... doesn't mean I agree with their views, though some are right.

Keyslip word for today was Sussie - I thought that appropriate after I repaired it to Aussie.

Lydia Thorpe was adressing the National Press Club, which has significant influence. They lapped it up.

issuevoter wrote on Aug 19^th, 2023 at 7:03am:

Lydia Thorpe was adressing the National Press Club, which has significant influence. They lapped it up.

I was watching it.  If you have ever seen Press Club addresses, the room is usually crammed.  This time it was visible bare.

I listened to the Blak Bitch and every time she openede her mouth, it was clear she was delusional.

Boil her point down and she has the expectation that Governments will have a separate Treaty with each Abo Tribe and each Abo tribe will be paid billions for reparations and also each Abo Tribe will be given sovereignty over what they say is their land.

Does one word of that sound even remotely like EVER happening?

There is no suggestion on further monetary input from the Voice.

What there is is the potential for money that is currently being mismanaged actually being directed to areas of actual need.

This, like every other lie perpetrated by the no campaign is a big fay fizzer.

But you snowflakes keep being paranoid. While your spending your days on here whining about it, at least your leaving cashiers alone.

Ans, although it will mean nothing at all to you people, we are the only Commonwealth country to not have a treaty with their indigenous people.

I don't expect that to man anything to you lot ... but it means something to me.

issuevoter wrote on Aug 19^th, 2023 at 7:03am:

Lydia Thorpe was adressing the National Press Club, which has significant influence. They lapped it up.

Hasn’t that Lydiot nutter been sectioned yet?

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 19^th, 2023 at 9:10am:

issuevoter wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 7:03am: Lydia Thorpe was adressing the National Press Club, which has significant influence. They lapped it up. Hasn’t that Lydiot nutter been sectioned yet?

Have you? Or are you in between visits?

Aussie wrote on Aug 19^th, 2023 at 8:53am:

issuevoter wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 7:03am: Lydia Thorpe was adressing the National Press Club, which has significant influence. They lapped it up. I was watching it.  If you have ever seen Press Club addresses, the room is usually crammed.  This time it was visible bare. I listened to the Blak Bitch and every time she opened her mouth, it was clear she was delusional. Boil her point down and she has the expectation that Governments will have a separate Treaty with each Abo Tribe and each Abo tribe will be paid billions for reparations and also each Abo Tribe will be given sovereignty over what they say is their land. Does one word of that sound even remotely like EVER happening?

Again .... why hasn’t Lydiot been sectioned?

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 19^th, 2023 at 9:21am:

Aussie wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 8:53am: issuevoter wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 7:03am: Lydia Thorpe was adressing the National Press Club, which has significant influence. They lapped it up. I was watching it.  If you have ever seen Press Club addresses, the room is usually crammed.  This time it was visible bare. I listened to the Blak Bitch and every time she opened her mouth, it was clear she was delusional. Boil her point down and she has the expectation that Governments will have a separate Treaty with each Abo Tribe and each Abo tribe will be paid billions for reparations and also each Abo Tribe will be given sovereignty over what they say is their land. Does one word of that sound even remotely like EVER happening? Again .... why hasn’t Lydiot been sectioned?

"Sectioned" for what?

Is she at risk of harming anyone? Is she at risk of harming herself?

What would you have her sectioned for? Opinions you don't understand? Behaviour you don't condone?

The problem is that Lydia Thorpe is not alone and she has a public profile. If the Voice gets up, it will not be about better education and housing, it will be about reparations, but they may not go at it directly. They may attack property ownership as in WA. Or to put it another way, Money.

issuevoter wrote on Aug 19^th, 2023 at 10:12am:

The problem is that Lydia Thorpe is not alone and she has a public profile. If the Voice gets up, it will not be about better education and housing, it will be about reparations, but they may not go at it directly. They may attack property ownership as in WA. Or to put it another way, Money.

Of course it’s about money! Free handouts AND money. Only a bona fide idiot would think otherwise.

mothra wrote on Aug 19^th, 2023 at 9:03am:

Ans, although it will mean nothing at all to you people, we are the only Commonwealth country to not have a treaty with their indigenous people. I don't expect that to man anything to you lot ... but it means something to me.

We don't have an indigenous people - we had a heap of wandering small walking groups with no government or valid tribal structures with anything remotely like a centralised government, the direct result of successive waves of Invasion from similar groups and consequent massacres and imperialism in taking over swathes of land without a by your leave.

What DOES it mean to you, dearest one?   8-)  8-)  8-)      ... round out... call my fall of shot....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 19^th, 2023 at 1:07pm:

We don't have an indigenous people -

https://media.tenor.com/zz7lLtvOwg8AAAAM/judge-judy-moron.gif

issuevoter wrote on Aug 19^th, 2023 at 10:12am:

The problem is that Lydia Thorpe is not alone and she has a public profile. If the Voice gets up, it will not be about better education and housing, it will be about reparations, but they may not go at it directly. They may attack property ownership as in WA. Or to put it another way, Money.

She is virtually alone and her public profile is as a buggertard.  Reparations are not and will not ever be on the agenda, at least not in the sense Thorpe and probably you each mean.

The most that will happen is Government programms to assist bridge the gap will get funded, and I have no issue with that.  Do you?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F32sJZAXEAAwS5K?.jpg

Australia's most indebted state, Victoria, which couldn't afford to host the Commonwealth Games, is seeking a senior level race baiter for $533k a year. No shame.
https://twitter.com/Adam_Creighton/status/1692698313869455446

Aussie wrote on Aug 19^th, 2023 at 1:28pm:

issuevoter wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 10:12am: The problem is that Lydia Thorpe is not alone and she has a public profile. If the Voice gets up, it will not be about better education and housing, it will be about reparations, but they may not go at it directly. They may attack property ownership as in WA. Or to put it another way, Money. She is virtually alone and her public profile is as a buggertard.  Reparations are not and will not ever be on the agenda, at least not in the sense Thorpe and probably you each mean. The most that will happen is Government programms to assist bridge the gap will get funded, and I have no issue with that.  Do you?

You must be deaf. She is far from alone. Or you are trying deflect attention from what the Labor Party is doing. We only have to look at what happened in WA. Once the numbers turned against them they abandoned their moral cruisade without hesitation.

Not about money? When did the Australian Left change their tune on private property being the basis of capitalism?

Quote:

You must be deaf. She is far from alone.

No, I am not deaf.  She may have some equally looney tunes with her, but that is what they are...morons.....pissing into the wind.

Getting SFA of what they wish for and everything they deserve.

Frank wrote on Aug 19^th, 2023 at 1:35pm:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F32sJZAXEAAwS5K?.jpg Australia's most indebted state, Victoria, which couldn't afford to host the Commonwealth Games, is seeking a senior level race baiter for $533k a year. No shame. https://twitter.com/Adam_Creighton/status/1692698313869455446

What stops you from applying Frank?

Aussie wrote on Aug 19^th, 2023 at 3:52pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 1:35pm: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F32sJZAXEAAwS5K?.jpg Australia's most indebted state, Victoria, which couldn't afford to host the Commonwealth Games, is seeking a senior level race baiter for $533k a year. No shame. https://twitter.com/Adam_Creighton/status/1692698313869455446 What stops you from applying Frank?

Not a race baiter. Or an Abo. Or an Abo race baiter.

issuevoter wrote on Aug 18^th, 2023 at 3:27pm:

The Voice would certainly demand these payments. Just listen to the most vocal YES campaigners, but Albanese is trying to weasel out of it. Unlike most Aboriginals, I can document my ancestors for many generations in Europe, America, and here. They came to Australia in good faith and they did not kill Aboriginals. I categorically reject any suggestion that I have inherited anything from those who stole from Aboriginals, or killed them, or that I owe indigenous people anything that should be paid out of the public purse that people of many cultures and nations contribute to. Let the YES voters have their wages garnisheed. Should the Vietnamese and Sudanese Australians be included, or be exempt because they are not white?

👆 💯

My stove needs replacing. Will the new landlords buy me a new stove?

Aussie wrote on Aug 19^th, 2023 at 3:51pm:

Quote: You must be deaf. She is far from alone. No, I am not deaf.  She may have some equally looney tunes with her, but that is what they are...morons.....pissing into the wind. Getting SFA of what they wish for and everything they deserve.

Well - all of the YES campaigners are either terminally stupid or insane.... Thorpe's YES idea on her terms is simply another madness that will not wash.

3% don't get to demand here - time to take back the farms and islands and mountains that are national parks and throw all the riff-raff out..
https://media3.giphy.com/media/93jGp8tRQHzgfenWWG/200w.gif

issuevoter wrote on Aug 18^th, 2023 at 3:27pm:

The Voice would certainly demand these payments. Just listen to the most vocal YES campaigners, but Albanese is trying to weasel out of it. Unlike most Aboriginals, I can document my ancestors for many generations in Europe, America, and here. They came to Australia in good faith and they did not kill Aboriginals. I categorically reject any suggestion that I have inherited anything from those who stole from Aboriginals, or killed them, or that I owe indigenous people anything that should be paid out of the public purse that people of many cultures and nations contribute to. Let the YES voters have their wages garnisheed. Should the Vietnamese and Sudanese Australians be included, or be exempt because they are not white?

Yes.  I largely agree with your comments
here.  I'm a 4th generation Aussie with roots
in England/Scotland from the early 1800s.

My family has lived in Australia long before any
of today's Aboriginals have—like a couple of
hundred years in fact.  How dare a 30-year-
old Aboriginal tell me how to live my life, or
even an Aboriginal "elder" who's younger than me?

I'm more than happy to live in a peaceful
coexistence with our Aboriginal communities,
but just as I don't dictate what they should or
shouldn't be doing with their lives, I have the
same expectation in return from them.

Just a passing aside - would they show any respect for OUR elders?  Or would they beat them up for saying anything they don't like?

Do they show respect here and now?  Look at this board and the way the Aboriginal apologists carry on .... of course - respeck' is always only one way... sort of a Black ghetto thing, you know..... look at the way they carry on about the Elder society that provides for them all....

In ancient Hebrew - telem ta-awlg-etfukt .... 3% don't get to dictate to the 97% ....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 9:55am:

Just a passing aside - would they show any respect for OUR elders?  Or would they beat them up for saying anything they don't like? Do they show respect here and now?  Look at this board and the way the Aboriginal apologists carry on .... of course - respeck' is always only one way... sort of a Black ghetto thing, you know..... look at the way they carry on about the Elder society that provides for them all.... In ancient Hebrew - telem ta-awlg-etfukt .... 3% don't get to dictate to the 97% ....

I don't respect anything or anyone, if it hasn't been earned. It's not a birthright. Look at Putin. Everyone bows and scrapes before him, but no one respects him. That's why he sits way down the other end of the table, and needs well paid bodyguards.

Lidia,
there is a lot of money owed to first peoples ....
we don't want to send the country broke -
otherwise we could with what is owed.

jump to 53:10


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN4rMlvD-cY

Bobby. wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 11:29am:

Lydia, there is a lot of money owed to first peoples .... we don't want to send the country broke - otherwise we could with what is owed. jump to 53:10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN4rMlvD-cY

You can't listen to any of her BS surely? ::)

Gnads wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 11:31am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 11:29am: Lidia, there is a lot of money owed to first peoples .... we don't want to send the country broke - otherwise we could with what is owed. jump to 53:10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN4rMlvD-cY You can't listen to any of her BS surely? ::)

Blair is right -


It will never be enough:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW5Nebs3TFA

53:10
Lidia would even like money for the Victorian parliament
because it was made out of sandstone stolen from Abbos.   ::)

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 19^th, 2023 at 11:31pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 3:51pm: Quote: You must be deaf. She is far from alone. No, I am not deaf.  She may have some equally looney tunes with her, but that is what they are...morons.....pissing into the wind. Getting SFA of what they wish for and everything they deserve. Well - all of the YES campaigners are either terminally stupid or insane.... Thorpe's YES idea on her terms is simply another madness that will not wash. 3% don't get to demand here - time to take back the farms and islands and mountains that are national parks and throw all the riff-raff out.. https://media3.giphy.com/media/93jGp8tRQHzgfenWWG/200w.gif

Any percent can demand what they like....what happens is what anything above 50% decide.

Gnads wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 11:31am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 11:29am: Lydia, there is a lot of money owed to first peoples .... we don't want to send the country broke - otherwise we could with what is owed. jump to 53:10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN4rMlvD-cY You can't listen to any of her BS surely? ::)

The misrepresenters do and bung up her drivel as though it is what is going to happen.

Aussie wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 12:07pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 11:31am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 11:29am: Lydia, there is a lot of money owed to first peoples .... we don't want to send the country broke - otherwise we could with what is owed. jump to 53:10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN4rMlvD-cY You can't listen to any of her BS surely? ::) The misrepresenters do and bung up her drivel as though it is what is going to happen.

Well, what IS going to happen??

Frank wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 12:55pm:

Well, what IS going to happen??

Lidia will send all of us an invoice.  ;D

Albanese likes to say the referendum is not about R and R, its about representation in parliament. No one is contesting that. He's just trying to avoid talking about what the Voice will want and try to shame a guilt-ridden parliament into granting. With a Constitutional amendment to back up its legitimacy, they'll get anything they want. As the PM said, it would be a brave government that goes against the Voice.

Frank wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 12:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 12:07pm: Gnads wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 11:31am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 11:29am: Lydia, there is a lot of money owed to first peoples .... we don't want to send the country broke - otherwise we could with what is owed. jump to 53:10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN4rMlvD-cY You can't listen to any of her BS surely? ::) The misrepresenters do and bung up her drivel as though it is what is going to happen. Well, what IS going to happen??

If the Referendum succeeds, there will be a bunch of black fellas sitting in a corner of Parliament House sending smoke signals into the sky...and maybe better targetted programmes to bridge the gap.

That is what you are so scared of Frank.

Grow some balls and stop the lying bullshit.

Gnads wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 11:31am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 11:29am: Lydia, there is a lot of money owed to first peoples .... we don't want to send the country broke - otherwise we could with what is owed. jump to 53:10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN4rMlvD-cY You can't listen to any of her BS surely? ::)

Sure - she opposes the voice - only so she can have her own voice imposed on us instead.   Just as mad..... how does she propose to have the Aborigines find all the rent money for all the improvements?  There isn't that much money available for loan in the world.... best they leave thing as they are and get over it and get along with it.....

issuevoter wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 1:42pm:

Albanese likes to say the referendum is not about R and R, its about representation in parliament. No one is contesting that. He's just trying to avoid talking about what the Voice will want and try to shame a guilt-ridden parliament into granting. With a Constitutional amendment to back up its legitimacy, they'll get anything they want. As the PM said, it would be a brave government that goes against the Voice.

Not quite - most are contesting representation in Parliament outside of the normal ways... no such right exists or can exist.... and the Aboriginal Victimhood Industry says they will not accept simple recognition, so they have sunk their own boat.... it's called 'abysmally stupid' ......

I accept zero responsibility for any adverse outcomes from not voting for that atrocity.

Again I predict an 80% landslide against it......

Bobby. wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 12:05pm:

53:10 Lidia would even like money for the Victorian parliament because it was made out of sandstone stolen from Abbos.   ::)

Yes ... they were right into masonry.  ::)

Aussie wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 2:16pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 12:55pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 12:07pm: Gnads wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 11:31am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 11:29am: Lydia, there is a lot of money owed to first peoples .... we don't want to send the country broke - otherwise we could with what is owed. jump to 53:10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN4rMlvD-cY You can't listen to any of her BS surely? ::) The misrepresenters do and bung up her drivel as though it is what is going to happen. Well, what IS going to happen?? If the Referendum succeeds, there will be a bunch of black fellas sitting in a corner of Parliament House sending smoke signals into the sky...and maybe better targetted programmes to bridge the gap. That is what you are so scared of Frank. Grow some balls and stop the lying bullshit.

There's the BS right there.

How are they going to better target anything to bridge the gap? What will make them any better or more expert than those who went before?

Gnads wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 3:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 12:05pm: 53:10 Lidia would even like money for the Victorian parliament because it was made out of sandstone stolen from Abbos.   ::) Yes ... they were right into masonry.  ::)

Stone palaces, you know... Pascoe saw them in his mind's eye upon a midnight drear while on the turps or something.... hitting those magic mushrooms....

Gnads wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 3:28pm:

There's the BS right there. How are they going to better target anything to bridge the gap? What will make them any better or more expert than those who went before?

Well - it will certainly close the gaps between their first couple of million and their expectations, this sitting on the board.... salaries and perks commensurate with those of politicians.... but they're not politicians are they?  Non-elected... so they should be there on a voluntary basis and receive a pittance as costs.

Bet they're angling for cash in the measure of the 'senior executive service' though... much more lucrative than that of a mere MP....

Trickledown to their struggling people will take care of the rest..... of course it will....

Jesus, Albo has shown what an idiot and a fool he is..... egg all over his face already.... no wonder he's gone quiet.... quietly distancing himself from the entire thing.... little reminder below.... check page numbers... all the REAL discussion went before and is deleted from public scrutiny ...

https://www.skynews.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Document-14-1.pdf

Another big lie rapped up in the referendum, is that Aboriginals actually need a special representation to present their requirement to parliament. The issues are very clear already. Dare I say it? "Always was, always will be."

Gnads wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 3:28pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 2:16pm: Frank wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 12:55pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 12:07pm: Gnads wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 11:31am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 11:29am: Lydia, there is a lot of money owed to first peoples .... we don't want to send the country broke - otherwise we could with what is owed. jump to 53:10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN4rMlvD-cY You can't listen to any of her BS surely? ::) The misrepresenters do and bung up her drivel as though it is what is going to happen. Well, what IS going to happen?? If the Referendum succeeds, there will be a bunch of black fellas sitting in a corner of Parliament House sending smoke signals into the sky...and maybe better targetted programmes to bridge the gap. That is what you are so scared of Frank. Grow some balls and stop the lying bullshit. There's the BS right there. How are they going to better target anything to bridge the gap? What will make them any better or more expert than those who went before?

Well, those that exist or went before were not chosen by their own Communities, but you'll ignore that answer as though it was never given.

Can anyone even listen to her deluded nonsense for 1 hour and 15 minutes?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN4rMlvD-cY

Aussie wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 5:10pm:

Well, those that exist or went before were not chosen by their own Communities, but you'll ignore that answer as though it was never given.

Can you show us the evidence that they will be this time? How do smoke signals make this happen Mummy?

Aussie wrote on Aug 19^th, 2023 at 8:53am:

issuevoter wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 7:03am: Lydia Thorpe was adressing the National Press Club, which has significant influence. They lapped it up. I was watching it.  If you have ever seen Press Club addresses, the room is usually crammed.  This time it was visible bare. I listened to the Blak Bitch and every time she openede her mouth, it was clear she was delusional. Boil her point down and she has the expectation that Governments will have a separate Treaty with each Abo Tribe and each Abo tribe will be paid billions for reparations and also each Abo Tribe will be given sovereignty over what they say is their land. Does one word of that sound even remotely like EVER happening?

If we allow it, it will. They are taking a bit at a time, whenever they are able to.


mothra wrote on Aug 19^th, 2023 at 8:58am:

There is no suggestion on further monetary input from the Voice.

Sure there is, on a regular basis, from the people who are promoting the voicing and position themselves to be at the centre of it.


Quote:

What there is is the potential for money that is currently being mismanaged actually being directed to areas of actual need.

:D

You are so naive Mothra. What makes you think an unelected body that claims to represent a bunch of people based on nothing more than the colour of their skin is going to solve corruption, when it has corruption designed into it?


Quote:

Is she at risk of harming anyone?

She is a lunatic in a position of power. She is a danger to everyone.

There will be no voice, no treaties, no compensation, no reparations, and no more special treatment ....

Albo has done Australia one huge favour with his insane move..... maybe not so insane after all, eh?  He's no extraordinary man, with an extraordinary plan...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqywPx1A_k4

In Australia we're not racist:

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/121/877/098/original/229236cc0beb2c91.jpeg

Setanta wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 5:42pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 5:10pm: Well, those that exist or went before were not chosen by their own Communities, but you'll ignore that answer as though it was never given. Can you show us the evidence that they will be this time? How do smoke signals make this happen Mummy?

Sure, read Dreyfus's speech in Parliament and read what Albanese has said a zillion times.  The Voice Reps will be selected by local Abo Communities.

Quote:

If we allow it, it will. They are taking a bit at a time, whenever they are able to.

Correct, and Australia will never agree to either rent, reparations or sovereignty.

At the moment, they are not being asked to.

But, you will lie and say that is what they are being asked to allow.

Doesn't matter how they're selected - there is no right or privilege of inside running to governance in this country.

If they want a lobby group, let them set one up.... but they already get plenty of representation in Cambra anyway....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 7:47pm:

Doesn't matter how they're selected - there is no right or privilege of inside running to governance in this country. If they want a lobby group, let them set one up.... but they already get plenty of representation in Cambra anyway....

Tell....umm....say.....Gina Rheihardt (sp), Twiggy Forrest et al.

The Abos in Parliament already are not there to be the voice of Abos.

Aussie wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 5:10pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 3:28pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 2:16pm: Frank wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 12:55pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 12:07pm: Gnads wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 11:31am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 11:29am: Lydia, there is a lot of money owed to first peoples .... we don't want to send the country broke - otherwise we could with what is owed. jump to 53:10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN4rMlvD-cY You can't listen to any of her BS surely? ::) The misrepresenters do and bung up her drivel as though it is what is going to happen. Well, what IS going to happen?? If the Referendum succeeds, there will be a bunch of black fellas sitting in a corner of Parliament House sending smoke signals into the sky...and maybe better targetted programmes to bridge the gap. That is what you are so scared of Frank. Grow some balls and stop the lying bullshit. There's the BS right there. How are they going to better target anything to bridge the gap? What will make them any better or more expert than those who went before? Well, those that exist or went before were not chosen by their own Communities, but you'll ignore that answer as though it was never given.

Bollocks. They were always selected on the basis of Aboriginality and tribal affiliations and clan loyalties.

The Uluru Wheeze was devised by Aborigines, selected by other Aborigines. ATSIC was all Aborigines. NIAA is Aboriginal, as are the ministers, the departments, the land CV i uj bcils, the aboriginal corporations.
Of course none of the Uluru delegates and signatories were democratically elected, nor would the Voice delegates. Democracy is a totally alien concept in traditional Aboriginal culture.

Aussie wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 7:46pm:

Quote: If we allow it, it will. They are taking a bit at a time, whenever they are able to. Correct, and Australia will never agree to either rent, reparations or sovereignty. At the moment, they are not being asked to. But, you will lie and say that is what they are being asked to allow.

There will not be a referendum about any of that. No need for one, once an Aboriginal body is constitutionally established.

Any treaty will be done by a Makarata Commission and the government and whatever they come up with will NOT be put to the voters to approve or reject.

This is the only time voters will be asked.

Frank wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 7:59pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 7:46pm: Quote: If we allow it, it will. They are taking a bit at a time, whenever they are able to. Correct, and Australia will never agree to either rent, reparations or sovereignty. At the moment, they are not being asked to. But, you will lie and say that is what they are being asked to allow. There will not be a referendum about any of that. No need for one, once an Aboriginal body is constitutionally established. Any treaty will be done by a Makarata Commiss io on and the government anc whatever they come up with will NOT be put to the voters to approve or reject. This is the only time voters will be asked.

Exactly my position..... we are to be treated as serfs and mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed bullshit, and will accept what our masters tell us to accept.... 

https://media.tenor.com/DdU_I7t2ze8AAAAC/when-you%27re-slapped-you%27ll-take-it-and-like-it-humphrey-bogart.gif

Aussie wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 7:46pm:

Quote: If we allow it, it will. They are taking a bit at a time, whenever they are able to. Correct, and Australia will never agree to either rent, reparations or sovereignty. At the moment, they are not being asked to. But, you will lie and say that is what they are being asked to allow.

'We' have agreed to plenty of racist exclusions and huge sums of money being handed over.

Aussie wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 7:52pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 7:47pm: Doesn't matter how they're selected - there is no right or privilege of inside running to governance in this country. If they want a lobby group, let them set one up.... but they already get plenty of representation in Cambra anyway.... Tell....umm....say.....Gina Rheihardt (sp), Twiggy Forrest et al. The Abos in Parliament already are not there to be the voice of Abos.

And how is it that Forrest and Rhinstoneheart are exercising any right but free speech?

Again - the Aborigines can set up their own lobby group if they so desire.... same as anyone else...

They elected representatives may not be there to be Aboriginal voices - but they sure are....

Aussie is like a Jew congratulating the Nazis for giving him a free shower.

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 8:36pm:

Aussie is like a Jew congratulating the Nazis for giving him a free shower.

https://p7.hiclipart.com/preview/999/840/970/check-mark-computer-icons-symbol-clip-art-green-tick-mark.jpg

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 8:36pm:

Aussie is like a Jew congratulating the Nazis for giving him a free shower.

Care to explain that?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 8:13pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 7:52pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 7:47pm: Doesn't matter how they're selected - there is no right or privilege of inside running to governance in this country. If they want a lobby group, let them set one up.... but they already get plenty of representation in Cambra anyway.... Tell....umm....say.....Gina Rheihardt (sp), Twiggy Forrest et al. The Abos in Parliament already are not there to be the voice of Abos. And how is it that Forrest and Rhinstoneheart are exercising any right but free speech? Again - the Aborigines can set up their own lobby group if they so desire.... same as anyone else... They elected representatives may not be there to be Aboriginal voices - but they sure are....

Forrest et all will have the personal phone number of every politician in this Country, you can bet on it.

Aussie wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 9:01pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 8:36pm: Aussie is like a Jew congratulating the Nazis for giving him a free shower. Care to explain that?

No.

Aussie wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 9:02pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 8:13pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 7:52pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 7:47pm: Doesn't matter how they're selected - there is no right or privilege of inside running to governance in this country. If they want a lobby group, let them set one up.... but they already get plenty of representation in Cambra anyway.... Tell....umm....say.....Gina Rheihardt (sp), Twiggy Forrest et al. The Abos in Parliament already are not there to be the voice of Abos. And how is it that Forrest and Rhinstoneheart are exercising any right but free speech? Again - the Aborigines can set up their own lobby group if they so desire.... same as anyone else... They elected representatives may not be there to be Aboriginal voices - but they sure are.... Forrest et all will have the personal phone number of every politician in this Country, you can bet on it.

And your Aboriginal Voice won't?  You know my views - ban all lobbying.... will of the people, you know...

Grappler,
“And your Aboriginal Voice won't?  You know my views - ban all lobbying.... will of the people, you know...”

Second that.

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 9:40pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 9:01pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 8:36pm: Aussie is like a Jew congratulating the Nazis for giving him a free shower. Care to explain that? No.

You accused me of endorsing the holocaust, you arsehole. 

Aussie wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 10:09pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 9:40pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 9:01pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 8:36pm: Aussie is like a Jew congratulating the Nazis for giving him a free shower. Care to explain that? No. You accused me of endorsing the holocaust, you arsehole.

Jesus, Aussie - he said... oh, forget it....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 10:23pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 10:09pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 9:40pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 9:01pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 8:36pm: Aussie is like a Jew congratulating the Nazis for giving him a free shower. Care to explain that? No. You accused me of endorsing the holocaust, you arsehole.  Jesus, Aussie - he said... oh, forget it....

Yes, he said that I would congratulate a Nazi for giving a Jew a shower, and we all know what that shower was don't we Grappler.

And you, you arsehole, agreed with him.

Aussie wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 10:09pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 9:40pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 9:01pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 8:36pm: Aussie is like a Jew congratulating the Nazis for giving him a free shower. Care to explain that? No. You accused me of endorsing the holocaust, you arsehole.

No he didn't - you misread him.   ::)

Like Hell I did.

Aussie wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 11:07pm:

Like Hell I did.

FD's arguments are so convoluted that what he says could mean anything
and he hasn't bothered to explain himself.
However - if you look for offence you'll always find it.

He was saying your position is so absurd that you were akin to thanking a Nazi for the shower....got that?  It's kind of like Stockholm Syndrome ... your glorious voice, Aborigines and AlboCo would NEVER negotiate all the things the voice is demanding without your leave, let alone input.  Right?  In a pig's ear they won't!!  And when you object, they'll say you voted for the voice and its right to negotiate things over which you will have NO control, and their list of demands includes all of those things that nobody is agreeing to.... and Albo will hand those to them through 'negotiation' - not your vote and approval.

That shows a naivety way beyond that of any Jew thanking a Nazi for the shower....

YTF DO YOU IMAGINE I WILL NEVER VOTE YES AND WILL SIDE WITH THE OPPOSING SIDE IN THE CIVIL WAR THAT WILL FOLLOW?  Because you imagine I hate Aborigines?  Grow up.....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 19^th, 2023 at 1:07pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 9:03am: Ans, although it will mean nothing at all to you people, we are the only Commonwealth country to not have a treaty with their indigenous people. I don't expect that to man anything to you lot ... but it means something to me. We don't have an indigenous people - we had a heap of wandering small walking groups with no government or valid tribal structures with anything remotely like a centralised government, the direct result of successive waves of Invasion from similar groups and consequent massacres and imperialism in taking over swathes of land without a by your leave. What DOES it mean to you, dearest one?   8-)  8-)  8-)      ... round out... call my fall of shot....

So Aboriginal people didn't take out the mega-fauna?

You can't have it both ways.

Silly old fool.

Aussie wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 10:09pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 9:40pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 9:01pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 8:36pm: Aussie is like a Jew congratulating the Nazis for giving him a free shower. Care to explain that? No. You accused me of endorsing the holocaust, you arsehole.

Nah, he didn't. He just tastelessly segues into the Holocaust for the second time in a few days.

The fist was to suggest Aboriginal people with the minimum required DNA be tattooed with serial numbers  on their forearms.

Fleadriver is on a roll, calling out racists left right an centre.

And welcoming new members with Himmler as their avatar. JC Denton, take aa bow. You are welcome here.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 11:22pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 11:07pm: Like Hell I did. FD's arguments are so convoluted that what he says could mean anything and he hasn't bothered to explain himself. However - if you look for offence you'll always find it.

LOL! Hilarity!

No. They're really not.

All Fleadriver's "arguments" are sound bytes he's taken out of context to harangue whatever poster is on his radar with.

The farthest thing he does is debate.

He trolls.

mothra wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 6:55am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 1:07pm: mothra wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 9:03am: Ans, although it will mean nothing at all to you people, we are the only Commonwealth country to not have a treaty with their indigenous people. I don't expect that to man anything to you lot ... but it means something to me. We don't have an indigenous people - we had a heap of wandering small walking groups with no government or valid tribal structures with anything remotely like a centralised government, the direct result of successive waves of Invasion from similar groups and consequent massacres and imperialism in taking over swathes of land without a by your leave. What DOES it mean to you, dearest one?   8-)  8-)  8-)      ... round out... call my fall of shot.... So Aboriginal people didn't take out the mega-fauna? You can't have it both ways. Silly old fool.

A technical difference only - that loose demographic took out the mega-fauna... now settle down, avatar of our major troll.... you're becoming hysterical and are fantasising...  that they had no concept THEN of being Aboriginal people is meaningless - it was their groups that did the deed.

Christ, you're slow.... go find another bee for your bonnet....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 7:12am:

mothra wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 6:55am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 1:07pm: mothra wrote on Aug 19th, 2023 at 9:03am: Ans, although it will mean nothing at all to you people, we are the only Commonwealth country to not have a treaty with their indigenous people. I don't expect that to man anything to you lot ... but it means something to me. We don't have an indigenous people - we had a heap of wandering small walking groups with no government or valid tribal structures with anything remotely like a centralised government, the direct result of successive waves of Invasion from similar groups and consequent massacres and imperialism in taking over swathes of land without a by your leave. What DOES it mean to you, dearest one?   8-)  8-)  8-)      ... round out... call my fall of shot.... So Aboriginal people didn't take out the mega-fauna? You can't have it both ways. Silly old fool. A technical difference only - that loose demographic took out the mega-fauna... now settle down, avatar of our major troll.... you're becoming hysterical and are fantasising...  that they had no concept THEN of being Aboriginal people is meaningless - it was their groups that did the deed. Christ, you're slow.... go find another bee for your bonnet....

Can anyone translate that for me?

I'm sorry Crappler, can we be clear?

Were Aboriginal people here 40,000 years ago or not?

mothra wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 7:16am:

I'm sorry Crappler, can we be clear? Were Aboriginal people here 40,000 years ago or not?

No.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 8:01am:

mothra wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 7:16am: I'm sorry Crappler, can we be clear? Were Aboriginal people here 40,000 years ago or not? No.

So they didn't kill the megafauna.

According to you, at least.

Aussie wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 5:10pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 3:28pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 2:16pm: Frank wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 12:55pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 12:07pm: Gnads wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 11:31am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 11:29am: Lydia, there is a lot of money owed to first peoples .... we don't want to send the country broke - otherwise we could with what is owed. jump to 53:10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN4rMlvD-cY You can't listen to any of her BS surely? ::) The misrepresenters do and bung up her drivel as though it is what is going to happen. Well, what IS going to happen?? If the Referendum succeeds, there will be a bunch of black fellas sitting in a corner of Parliament House sending smoke signals into the sky...and maybe better targetted programmes to bridge the gap. That is what you are so scared of Frank. Grow some balls and stop the lying bullshit. There's the BS right there. How are they going to better target anything to bridge the gap? What will make them any better or more expert than those who went before? Well, those that exist or went before were not chosen by their own Communities, but you'll ignore that answer as though it was never given.

And again there's more BS right there.

They have the same methods of representation & more than any other non Aboriginal Australian citizen.

I live in a suburb, a community of a city, where are my non elected representatives to Federal Parliament?

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 8:11pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 7:46pm: Quote: If we allow it, it will. They are taking a bit at a time, whenever they are able to. Correct, and Australia will never agree to either rent, reparations or sovereignty. At the moment, they are not being asked to. But, you will lie and say that is what they are being asked to allow. 'We' have agreed to plenty of racist exclusions and huge sums of money being handed over.

your stupidity knows no bounds

mothra wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 8:04am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:01am: mothra wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 7:16am: I'm sorry Crappler, can we be clear? Were Aboriginal people here 40,000 years ago or not? No. So they didn't kill the megafauna. According to you, at least.

Their groups did - but they were not Aboriginal until 1788 - Aboriginal being a civilised man's word.

As for FAS Langton... this is how she and her lot will be remembered:-

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Gnads wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 8:28am:

I live in a suburb, a community of a city, where are my non elected representatives to Federal Parliament?

Your local MP doesn't represent you ... you're kidding yourself if you think s/he does. He doesn't give a crap about you and what you want, s/he only cares what his/her donors want.

Come on, now, mothra - I'm leading you one step at a time into your own trap ... now give us your next predictable assertion/question ....

Bobby. wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 11:22pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 11:07pm: Like Hell I did. FD's arguments are so convoluted that what he says could mean anything and he hasn't bothered to explain himself. However - if you look for offence you'll always find it.

FD always pretends others say what they didn't, that way he never has to respond to what they actually said.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 8:45am:

mothra wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:04am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:01am: mothra wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 7:16am: I'm sorry Crappler, can we be clear? Were Aboriginal people here 40,000 years ago or not? No. So they didn't kill the megafauna. According to you, at least. Their groups did - but they were not Aboriginal until 1788 - Aboriginal being a civilised man's word. As for FAS Langton... this is how she and her lot will be remembered:-

Jesus. You're a completely lost cause.

They didn't exist until we named them. Gotcha.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 8:45am:

mothra wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:04am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:01am: mothra wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 7:16am: I'm sorry Crappler, can we be clear? Were Aboriginal people here 40,000 years ago or not? No. So they didn't kill the megafauna. According to you, at least. Their groups did - but they were not Aboriginal until 1788 - Aboriginal being a civilised man's word.

https://media.tenor.com/5FmFEtu0dEkAAAAM/moron-stupid.gif

John Smith wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 8:50am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:45am: mothra wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:04am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:01am: mothra wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 7:16am: I'm sorry Crappler, can we be clear? Were Aboriginal people here 40,000 years ago or not? No. So they didn't kill the megafauna. According to you, at least. Their groups did - but they were not Aboriginal until 1788 - Aboriginal being a civilised man's word. https://media.tenor.com/5FmFEtu0dEkAAAAM/moron-stupid.gif

It beggars belief, no?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 8:46am:

Come on, now, mothra - I'm leading you one step at a time into your own trap ... now give us your next predictable assertion/question ....

You're utterly delusional.

The fact that you cannot see how big aa tit you've made of yourself is hilarious, but as always, chess with a pigeon.

mothra wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 8:52am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:50am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:45am: mothra wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:04am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:01am: mothra wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 7:16am: I'm sorry Crappler, can we be clear? Were Aboriginal people here 40,000 years ago or not? No. So they didn't kill the megafauna. According to you, at least. Their groups did - but they were not Aboriginal until 1788 - Aboriginal being a civilised man's word. https://media.tenor.com/5FmFEtu0dEkAAAAM/moron-stupid.gif It beggars belief, no?

and he thinks he's a MENSA candidate  :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 8:46am:

Gnads wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:28am: I live in a suburb, a community of a city, where are my non elected representatives to Federal Parliament? Your local MP doesn't represent you ... you're kidding yourself if you think s/he does. He doesn't give a crap about you and what you want, s/he only cares what his/her donors want.

Well - they're supposed to, Smith - that's what we pay them for... and that's why, as I said to Warren Mundine today - there is a crying need to make the path to politics difficult and not terribly remunerative, so as to get rid of the hangers-on, party hacks, time-servers, professional politicians with their eye on their current luxury and future retirement with riches - paying double peanuts has only made for fatter monkeys...

Wazza was hanging on Ley in a picture and saying what a beautiful senator she was at The Gathering ... FFS..... the NO campaign putting up Cash and Ley as its 'spokesWOMEN' to oppose the YES naughtiness is as bad as the choices the YES campaign made about is spokespersons...

Who could mistake either for a 'motherhood' figure, like the articulate and intelligent and knowledgeable on the ground and principled Jacinta Price, and as anything but a grasping sheila with her fingers in every pie her job can provide?  Brings a whole new perspective to the table in politics that does.... women always do ..... more grasping.....

John Smith wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 8:54am:

mothra wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:52am: John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:50am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:45am: mothra wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:04am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:01am: mothra wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 7:16am: I'm sorry Crappler, can we be clear? Were Aboriginal people here 40,000 years ago or not? No. So they didn't kill the megafauna. According to you, at least. Their groups did - but they were not Aboriginal until 1788 - Aboriginal being a civilised man's word. https://media.tenor.com/5FmFEtu0dEkAAAAM/moron-stupid.gif It beggars belief, no? and he thinks he's a MENSA candidate  :D :D :D

I've sloughed off skin cells with a higher IQ.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 8:54am:

Well - they're supposed to, Smith - that's what we pay them for...

and I was supposed to retire a billionaire at the age of 30

but I prefer to deal with reality

Reduced the bastards to nothing but ad homs, Igor - you can go rest now... I've got this one... easy as pie ....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 8:58am:

Reduced the bastards to nothing but ad homs, Igor - you can go rest now... I've got this one... easy as pie ....

Really?

Did Aboriginal people wipe out the megafauna?

Yes or no?

John Smith wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 8:57am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:54am: Well - they're supposed to, Smith - that's what we pay them for... and I was supposed to retire a billionaire at the age of 30 but I prefer to deal with reality

So you're not prepared to stand up like a man and be counted and demand proper change and risk all on the throw of the dice of improving your country for all - but prefer to wallow in your self-pity and self-delusion that City Hall will take care of you if you keep your head down?

Clearly you are doing too well out of the status quo................ you have the fat and lazy man's way of thinking...

Now for mothra .... what's she got left?  Star shell?

Here is Albanese's own words, and from a Commonwealth PM they are disgusting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYXQWEXAwms

mothra wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 8:59am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:58am: Reduced the bastards to nothing but ad homs, Igor - you can go rest now... I've got this one... easy as pie .... Really? Did Aboriginal people wipe out the megafauna? Yes or no?

The wandering groups defined by their group name certainly had a hand in it... but they only killed off the last few.... what's in a name?  A massacre of native fauna by any other group name would be as sweet...

They weren't Aboriginals then - group name???  You know - like today - "Proud Slipitinya Man/Woman" .... you don't call tribal people in the US 'native americans' or 'indians' - you call them by their tribal name.

Your pets have only been Aboriginal since 1788 ... before that they were known as Wandering And Hungry Short Lived and Brutal Small Groups. No nations, no Nation, always battling over food resources, no ties to any land except where they were perched at any given time ... nothing.  Terra Nullius, innit?

And then they introduced the dingo to devastate the native fauna every more.... Jesus!  Custodians of the land.....

You ever notice how 'professor' Langton has the appearance of FAS?

Walk right in, mothra...

... as a result of FAS, bloke is born with no arms, no legs, no torso... basically just a head...... one day he says he always wanted to be an Olympic swimmer ... was told he can't be but insists....so they give him a trial in the pool.... he sinks to the bottom and drowns.....

The moral is always quit while you're a head.....

You should quit while you're ahead, mothra... pass dat doochie over to Smith dere ... that kind of head... you know.... seen a lot of those....

Aussie wrote on Aug 20^th, 2023 at 10:09pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 9:40pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 9:01pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 8:36pm: Aussie is like a Jew congratulating the Nazis for giving him a free shower. Care to explain that? No. You accused me of endorsing the holocaust, you arsehole.

No.

freediver wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 9:52am:

Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 10:09pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 9:40pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 9:01pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 8:36pm: Aussie is like a Jew congratulating the Nazis for giving him a free shower. Care to explain that? No. You accused me of endorsing the holocaust, you arsehole.  No.

Don't blame Aussie too much - he's been losing it for a while... I noticed the decline when he was attempting to discuss the Higgins Affair... Higginsgate ... and got virtually nothing right ... clearly he has yet to notice the deterioration of his own mind.... it's pernicious like that...

John Smith wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 8:46am:

Gnads wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:28am: I live in a suburb, a community of a city, where are my non elected representatives to Federal Parliament? Your local MP doesn't represent you ... you're kidding yourself if you think s/he does. He doesn't give a crap about you and what you want, s/he only cares what his/her donors want.

OK so we all need a special voice to Parliament enshrined in the constitution with a body of our locally elected people from within our communities to represent our best interests? ... yes? ;D

Honestly you're full of 'it.

I think I've probably said it before on this forum
(I am an old geezer LOL) but I can see this silly
Voice thing ultimately turning into ATSIC Mk2.

In other words, it'll all be tears before bedtime.

ATSIC initially had all the aims and hopes and
government support that the Voice currently
has, but look at how it ended up in 2005 after
a mere 15 years of in-fighting, mismanagement,
financial fraud, and the disempowerment of the
Aboriginal peoples it was supposed to support FFS.

mothra wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 8:47am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:45am: mothra wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:04am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:01am: mothra wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 7:16am: I'm sorry Crappler, can we be clear? Were Aboriginal people here 40,000 years ago or not? No. So they didn't kill the megafauna. According to you, at least. Their groups did - but they were not Aboriginal until 1788 - Aboriginal being a civilised man's word. As for FAS Langton... this is how she and her lot will be remembered:- Jesus. You're a completely lost cause. They didn't exist until we named them. Gotcha.

So what was their word for their tribal groups? ::)

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 9:55am:

freediver wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 9:52am: Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 10:09pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 9:40pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 9:01pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 8:36pm: Aussie is like a Jew congratulating the Nazis for giving him a free shower. Care to explain that? No. You accused me of endorsing the holocaust, you arsehole.  No. Don't blame Aussie too much - he's been losing it for a while... I noticed the decline when he was attempting to discuss the Higgins Affair... Higginsgate ... and got virtually nothing right ... clearly he has yet to notice the deterioration of his own mind.... it's pernicious like that...

I have chatted with Aussie online for many years and can assure you there is no decline.

freediver wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 10:05am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 9:55am: freediver wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 9:52am: Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 10:09pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 9:40pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 9:01pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 8:36pm: Aussie is like a Jew congratulating the Nazis for giving him a free shower. Care to explain that? No. You accused me of endorsing the holocaust, you arsehole.  No. Don't blame Aussie too much - he's been losing it for a while... I noticed the decline when he was attempting to discuss the Higgins Affair... Higginsgate ... and got virtually nothing right ... clearly he has yet to notice the deterioration of his own mind.... it's pernicious like that... I have chatted with Aussie online for many years and can assure you there is no decline.

:D :D

Arrsie is a steady-state cockwomble. ;D ;D

Gnads wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 10:02am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:46am: Gnads wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:28am: I live in a suburb, a community of a city, where are my non elected representatives to Federal Parliament? Your local MP doesn't represent you ... you're kidding yourself if you think s/he does. He doesn't give a crap about you and what you want, s/he only cares what his/her donors want. OK so we all need a special voice to Parliament enshrined in the constitution with a body of our locally elected people from within our communities to represent our best interests? ... yes? ;D Honestly you're full of 'it.

Anyone descendant from a violently dispossessed culture which has been here for a squillion years, yes.

Frank wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 10:14am:

freediver wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 10:05am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 9:55am: freediver wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 9:52am: Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 10:09pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 9:40pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 9:01pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 8:36pm: Aussie is like a Jew congratulating the Nazis for giving him a free shower. Care to explain that? No. You accused me of endorsing the holocaust, you arsehole.  No. Don't blame Aussie too much - he's been losing it for a while... I noticed the decline when he was attempting to discuss the Higgins Affair... Higginsgate ... and got virtually nothing right ... clearly he has yet to notice the deterioration of his own mind.... it's pernicious like that... I have chatted with Aussie online for many years and can assure you there is no decline. :D :D Arrsie is a steady-state cockwomble. ;D ;D

Whatever that is, I don't go around falsely and in a highly defamatory manner accusing people of being a holocaust supporter like your tin god freediver.

Aussie wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 11:22am:

Gnads wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 10:02am: John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:46am: Gnads wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:28am: I live in a suburb, a community of a city, where are my non elected representatives to Federal Parliament? Your local MP doesn't represent you ... you're kidding yourself if you think s/he does. He doesn't give a crap about you and what you want, s/he only cares what his/her donors want. OK so we all need a special voice to Parliament enshrined in the constitution with a body of our locally elected people from within our communities to represent our best interests? ... yes? ;D Honestly you're full of 'it. Anyone descendant from a violently dispossessed culture which has been here for a squillion years, yes.

Everyone is descended from violently disposed people.  It's called history. FFS.  Some have suffered infinitely more violent dispossession than Aborigines.  Within living memory.

When Aborigines who have been given their lands back revert to their pre1788 lives and relinquish all that colonisation has given them, then I will be able to take their whining about how everything is bad about modernity seriously. But they never do. They never revert to the Dreamtime. 

Let them spear the Big White Chief Albo in the thigh and be done with the whining and whinging.
Oh, and stop ****ing BRUTALISING each other and their kiddies.

Aussie wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 11:22am:

Gnads wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 10:02am: John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:46am: Gnads wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:28am: I live in a suburb, a community of a city, where are my non elected representatives to Federal Parliament? Your local MP doesn't represent you ... you're kidding yourself if you think s/he does. He doesn't give a crap about you and what you want, s/he only cares what his/her donors want. OK so we all need a special voice to Parliament enshrined in the constitution with a body of our locally elected people from within our communities to represent our best interests? ... yes? ;D Honestly you're full of 'it. Anyone descendant from a violently dispossessed culture which has been here for a squillion years, yes.

OH??  And what 'culture' was that?  Wandering about chewing on a megafauna bone?

freediver wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 10:05am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 9:55am: freediver wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 9:52am: Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 10:09pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 9:40pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 9:01pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 8:36pm: Aussie is like a Jew congratulating the Nazis for giving him a free shower. Care to explain that? No. You accused me of endorsing the holocaust, you arsehole.  No. Don't blame Aussie too much - he's been losing it for a while... I noticed the decline when he was attempting to discuss the Higgins Affair... Higginsgate ... and got virtually nothing right ... clearly he has yet to notice the deterioration of his own mind.... it's pernicious like that... I have chatted with Aussie online for many years and can assure you there is no decline.

Always been this bad, eh?  How sad .... I've noted a decline once he was thrashed over Higginsgate and the final nails were her unwarranted payout - it WAS for not being able to work again - not just in 'politics'.

How are things going in the new job?  All those lawsuits pending... she's gonna need the money ...

Gnads wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 10:04am:

mothra wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:47am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:45am: mothra wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:04am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:01am: mothra wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 7:16am: I'm sorry Crappler, can we be clear? Were Aboriginal people here 40,000 years ago or not? No. So they didn't kill the megafauna. According to you, at least. Their groups did - but they were not Aboriginal until 1788 - Aboriginal being a civilised man's word. As for FAS Langton... this is how she and her lot will be remembered:- Jesus. You're a completely lost cause. They didn't exist until we named them. Gotcha. So what was their word for their tribal groups? ::)

What was their word for their 'Nations'?  Me local Ooabajibda...??

Evasive much - you're on the ropes.... if you want to label them abos pre-Civilisation Day, go for it... they had no concept of Aboriginality or Nationhood.

Look it up - if Aborigine describes the pre-Civilisation abo - why are other groups around the world called 'Aboriginal?  It was a word never just restricted to the Proto-Aborigines and then the Aborigines until recent years when the mad woke took over reality.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 12:25pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 10:05am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 9:55am: freediver wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 9:52am: Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 10:09pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 9:40pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 9:01pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 8:36pm: Aussie is like a Jew congratulating the Nazis for giving him a free shower. Care to explain that? No. You accused me of endorsing the holocaust, you arsehole.  No. Don't blame Aussie too much - he's been losing it for a while... I noticed the decline when he was attempting to discuss the Higgins Affair... Higginsgate ... and got virtually nothing right ... clearly he has yet to notice the deterioration of his own mind.... it's pernicious like that... I have chatted with Aussie online for many years and can assure you there is no decline. Always been this bad, eh?  How sad .... I've noted a decline once he was thrashed over Higginsgate and the final nails were her unwarranted payout - it WAS for not being able to work again - not just in 'politics'. How are things going in the new job?  All those lawsuits pending... she's gonna need the money ...

Still marking your own piss weak home work, I see Grappler.

Gnads wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 10:02am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:46am: Gnads wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:28am: I live in a suburb, a community of a city, where are my non elected representatives to Federal Parliament? Your local MP doesn't represent you ... you're kidding yourself if you think s/he does. He doesn't give a crap about you and what you want, s/he only cares what his/her donors want. OK so we all need a special voice to Parliament enshrined in the constitution with a body of our locally elected people from within our communities to represent our best interests? ... yes? ;D Honestly you're full of 'it.

don't cry just because you were wrong

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 12:36pm:

What was their word for their 'Nations'?  Me local Ooabajibda...??

totally irrelevant, you cretin

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 9:01am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:57am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:54am: Well - they're supposed to, Smith - that's what we pay them for... and I was supposed to retire a billionaire at the age of 30 but I prefer to deal with reality So you're not prepared to stand up like a man and be counted and demand proper change and risk all on the throw of the dice of improving your country for all - but prefer to wallow in your self-pity and self-delusion that City Hall will take care of you if you keep your head down?

how does that compare to crying like a bitch all the time like you do?

mothra wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 7:06am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 11:22pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 11:07pm: Like Hell I did. FD's arguments are so convoluted that what he says could mean anything and he hasn't bothered to explain himself. However - if you look for offence you'll always find it. LOL! Hilarity! No. They're really not. All Fleadriver's "arguments" are sound bytes he's taken out of context to harangue whatever poster is on his radar with. The farthest thing he does is debate. He trolls.

FD is a wise oracle who sits upon a mountain of truth.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 1:29pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 7:06am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 11:22pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 11:07pm: Like Hell I did. FD's arguments are so convoluted that what he says could mean anything and he hasn't bothered to explain himself. However - if you look for offence you'll always find it. LOL! Hilarity! No. They're really not. All Fleadriver's "arguments" are sound bytes he's taken out of context to harangue whatever poster is on his radar with. The farthest thing he does is debate. He trolls. FD is a wise oracle who sits upon a mountain of truth.

FD is a troll who sits on a throne of crap

John Smith wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 1:26pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 12:36pm: What was their word for their 'Nations'?  Me local Ooabajibda...?? totally irrelevant, you cretin

Not at all. The Voice is a Western concept, as is nationhood, land ownership, rent,  parliament, representation, rights, treaty, sovereignty, writing, the wheel, etc, etc, - totally non-existent in any Aboriginal language or Dreamtime story.

The proponents and opponents of the Voice re arguing entirely within a post-1788  Western framework of ideas and concepts.

Frank wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 1:41pm:

Not at all.

Of course it is. Only a cretin would pretend otherwise. We made the rules and forced them to live by them, don't cry now because they are using your rules against you.

John Smith wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 1:34pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 1:29pm: mothra wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 7:06am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 11:22pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 11:07pm: Like Hell I did. FD's arguments are so convoluted that what he says could mean anything and he hasn't bothered to explain himself. However - if you look for offence you'll always find it. LOL! Hilarity! No. They're really not. All Fleadriver's "arguments" are sound bytes he's taken out of context to harangue whatever poster is on his radar with. The farthest thing he does is debate. He trolls. FD is a wise oracle who sits upon a mountain of truth. FD is a troll who sits on a throne of crap

Judge not lest ye be judged.

John Smith wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 1:47pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 1:41pm: Not at all. Of course it is. Only a cretin would pretend otherwise. We made the rules and forced them to live by them, don't cry now because they are using your rules against you.

Which is why it is going to be defeated by a large margin.- there is nothing reconciliatory, 'walking together'-ish and coming together-ish in this Uluru and Voice wheeze. It is exactly about antagonism, hostility and division of Abos against everyone else.

Tellembuggerem.

freediver wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 9:52am:

Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 10:09pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 9:40pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 9:01pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 8:36pm: Aussie is like a Jew congratulating the Nazis for giving him a free shower. Care to explain that? No. You accused me of endorsing the holocaust, you arsehole.  No.

Aussie how the hell did you conclude that from what Freediver said? Explain the steps used in your reasoning.

Gnads wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 10:02am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:46am: Gnads wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 8:28am: I live in a suburb, a community of a city, where are my non elected representatives to Federal Parliament? Your local MP doesn't represent you ... you're kidding yourself if you think s/he does. He doesn't give a crap about you and what you want,s/he only cares what his/her donors want. OK so we all need a special voice to Parliament enshrined in the constitution with a body of our locally elected people from within our communities to represent our best interests?

My oath we do! In fact Frodo the Dumbarse Dodo has unwittingly pledged his support for the NO VOICE campaign! 😂🤣😆

They'll be lucky to walk away from Albo's Mistake with all of their special funding and privileges intact... and without proof of Aboriginality being required for everything  ... better still... just mainstream the bastards and leave 'em to it... if you don't want to be part of the solution, be part of your own problem in silence...

Frank wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 1:59pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 1:47pm: Frank wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 1:41pm: Not at all. Of course it is. Only a cretin would pretend otherwise. We made the rules and forced them to live by them, don't cry now because they are using your rules against you. Which is why it is going to be defeated by a large margin.- there is nothing reconciliatory, 'walking together'-ish and coming together-ish in this Uluru and Voice wheeze. It is exactly about antagonism, hostility and division of Abos against everyone else. Tellembuggerem.

I predict an 80% landslide against.... they were warned not to awaken the sleeping dragon.... but you cannot help fools.

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 2:01pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 9:52am: Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 10:09pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 9:40pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 9:01pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 8:36pm: Aussie is like a Jew congratulating the Nazis for giving him a free shower. Care to explain that? No. You accused me of endorsing the holocaust, you arsehole.  No. Aussie how the hell did you conclude that from what Freediver said? Explain the steps used in your reasoning.

Simple English, and I don't have to explain anything.  Meaning and intent is clear.


Quote:

Aussie is like a Jew congratulating the Nazis for giving him a free shower.

I "congratulate Nazis giving a Jew a (gas) shower, free of charge."

Bobby. wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 1:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 1:34pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 1:29pm: mothra wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 7:06am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 11:22pm: Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2023 at 11:07pm: Like Hell I did. FD's arguments are so convoluted that what he says could mean anything and he hasn't bothered to explain himself. However - if you look for offence you'll always find it. LOL! Hilarity! No. They're really not. All Fleadriver's "arguments" are sound bytes he's taken out of context to harangue whatever poster is on his radar with. The farthest thing he does is debate. He trolls. FD is a wise oracle who sits upon a mountain of truth. FD is a troll who sits on a throne of crap Judge not lest ye be judged.

It's not judgement, it's an observation

Frank wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 1:59pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 1:47pm: Frank wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 1:41pm: Not at all. Of course it is. Only a cretin would pretend otherwise. We made the rules and forced them to live by them, don't cry now because they are using your rules against you. Which is why it is going to be defeated by a large margin.- there is nothing reconciliatory, 'walking together'-ish and coming together-ish in this Uluru and Voice wheeze. It is exactly about antagonism, hostility and division of Abos against everyone else. Tellembuggerem.

Where as the rules you imposed on them weren't antagonistic to them and their way of life ehhh?

And no one ever said the voice was to reconcile with bigots and racists

There will  be no rent, no reparations, no compensation, a reversal of land grabs and their reduction to enough room to live on, a return to public hands of all National Parks, a cessation of all special funding current and firm rules over future dispensation of funding, and a requirement that any training paid for will lead to constructive inputs for remote communities, an adherence to law and order and a cessation of demands that their 'tribal law' take precedence and instead takes its place way behind Common Law for all, and a strict requirement that Albo's original position of improvements in major KPIs such as reduction in violence, increase in school attendance, and crime reduction in communities be adhered to without any voice, treaty, or similar, control over royalties so that each tribal member gets a fair share, and all this before any extra funding is provided to ensure growth within communities.

I guess that pretty much covers it...... we thank the PM for drawing to the attention of the Australian people the REAL issues that require to be fixed about Aboriginal culture and way of life.

As for the Gove disaster lead by that thief and thus hero of the Left because he's Aboriginal:-

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John Smith wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 3:28pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 1:59pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 1:47pm: Frank wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 1:41pm: Not at all. Of course it is. Only a cretin would pretend otherwise. We made the rules and forced them to live by them, don't cry now because they are using your rules against you. Which is why it is going to be defeated by a large margin.- there is nothing reconciliatory, 'walking together'-ish and coming together-ish in this Uluru and Voice wheeze. It is exactly about antagonism, hostility and division of Abos against everyone else. Tellembuggerem. We're as the rules you imposed on them weren't antagonistic to them and their way of life ehhh? And no one ever said the voice was to reconcile with bigots and racists

They are welcome to return to their pre1788 way of life. They have plenty of land to do so and need none of the terrible impositions of modernity to practice what they say they mourn, their wonderful pre-contact way of life..

Why don't they return to that blessed way of life?

Frank wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 4:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 3:28pm: Frank wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 1:59pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 1:47pm: Frank wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 1:41pm: Not at all. Of course it is. Only a cretin would pretend otherwise. We made the rules and forced them to live by them, don't cry now because they are using your rules against you. Which is why it is going to be defeated by a large margin.- there is nothing reconciliatory, 'walking together'-ish and coming together-ish in this Uluru and Voice wheeze. It is exactly about antagonism, hostility and division of Abos against everyone else. Tellembuggerem. We're as the rules you imposed on them weren't antagonistic to them and their way of life ehhh? And no one ever said the voice was to reconcile with bigots and racists They are welcome to return to their pre1788 way of life. They have plenty of land to do so and need none of the terrible impositions of modernity to practice what they say they mourn, their wonderful pre-contact way of life.. Why don't they return to that blessed way of life?

You opened the gate, don't cry now that the horse has bolted. They are no more able to return to pre 1788 ways then you are able to claim you have a brain

John Smith wrote on Aug 21^st, 2023 at 5:32pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 4:40pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 3:28pm: Frank wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 1:59pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 1:47pm: Frank wrote on Aug 21st, 2023 at 1:41pm: Not at all. Of course it is. Only a cretin would pretend otherwise. We made the rules and forced them to live by them, don't cry now because they are using your rules against you. Which is why it is going to be defeated by a large margin.- there is nothing reconciliatory, 'walking together'-ish and coming together-ish in this Uluru and Voice wheeze. It is exactly about antagonism, hostility and division of Abos against everyone else. Tellembuggerem. We're as the rules you imposed on them weren't antagonistic to them and their way of life ehhh? And no one ever said the voice was to reconcile with bigots and racists They are welcome to return to their pre1788 way of life. They have plenty of land to do so and need none of the terrible impositions of modernity to practice what they say they mourn, their wonderful pre-contact way of life.. Why don't they return to that blessed way of life? You opened the gate, don't cry now that the horse has bolted. They are no more able to return to pre 1788 ways then you are able to claim you have a brain

So they need to fit in with the 21st century.
Go to school, finish school, get a job, look after their children.

It is no good keeping the worst bits of Aboriginality, taking only the worst bits of modernity and then bellyaching about victimhood.

Be an Aborigine and be true to yourself and return to the bush or fit in with modernity and its demands so you can enjoy all its benefits.