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Message started by The Grappler on Aug 25th, 2023 at 12:12pm

Title: Being ticked off .....
Post by The Grappler on Aug 25th, 2023 at 12:12pm
This thoroughly deserves a full and separate analysis by the Members:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/sunrise-nat-barr-grills-anthony-albanese-s-government-about-why-a-cross-will-be-rejected-on-ballots-in-the-voice-referendum-as-election-bosses-are-accused-of-skewing-the-vote/ar-AA1fKe7B?cvid=fcb506f877ad46d1faaeec6ad72675c0&ocid=winp2fptaskbar&ei=4

"Sunrise host Nat Barr has grilled Anthony Albanese's government about why voters have been banned from using a cross to vote against the Voice to Parliament - but Yes voters can still just use a tick.

Her question comes after Electoral Commissioner Tom Rogers triggered a debate by telling Sky News 'a tick will be accepted as a formal vote of Yes, but a cross will not be accepted as a formal vote'.

The voting paper will require the word Yes or No to be written in a box. This will be made clear in instructions issued by the Australian Electoral Commission.

Barr asked Albanese government minister Jason Clare: 'Should a cross be accepted as a no vote if the electoral commission is going to accept a tick for the yes?'

Clare hit back, arguing the same strategy had been used in the 1999 republic referendum and hadn't caused any confusion.

'When John Howard held a referendum with the public, same rules, worked fine and I believe there were less than one per cent of informal votes,' he said.

'John Howard didn't want us to become a republic, he was urging people to vote No and these were the rules put in place.

'I think that pricks the bubble of the argument that this is going to cause confusion.'

Yesterday, opposition Leader Peter Dutton said voters should be able to validly use a tick or cross on their ballot paper, and that he would write to Rogers seeking clarification on his comments.

But Barr then asked Deputy Opposition Leader Sussan Ley why she hadn't raised concerns about the ballot several weeks ago when it was going through parliament.

'If a tick counts for Yes, then a cross should count for No. It's as clear as that,' he told radio station 2GB on Thursday.

'Otherwise, it gives a very, very strong advantage to the Yes case.'

'We're bringing it up now. It's actually a matter for the AEC (Australian Electoral Commission),' Ms Ley told the Sunrise host on Friday.

'We want a fair referendum, the rules have to be fair.'

However, Ms Ley argued Australia was now in the 'modern era' and that rules used almost three decades ago in 1999 were no longer applicable.

'We have a lot more Australians who can't speak English and we want everyone to vote in this referendum, so quite simply, what would people think?'

'A tick is Yes, a cross is No,' she declared.

Mr Clare said if the Opposition had been 'serious' about the ballot format they would have attempted to change the laws several weeks ago.

'The fact we are using the same rules that have been in place for 30 years and at the last referendum there was an informal vote of less than one per cent, it tells you that this is all politics,' he said.

The revelation has attracted strong criticism from the opposition, who say the Yes vote will have an unfair advantage when Australians have their say later that year.

Former Prime Minister Tony Abbott said the advice appeared to be evidence that authorities were trying to support a Yes result winning.

'The problem with all of this is that there's a suspicion officialdom is trying to make it easier for one side,' he told 2GB's Ben Fordham.

'At least as initially reported, it seems that it's going to be easier to get a Yes vote than a No vote, if a mere tick is going to count for a Yes but you've got to specifically write 'no' to vote No.

'This is the worry all along - that there is there is a lot of official bias in this whole referendum process.'

Commissioner Rogers has shrugged off accusations the move would play in the favour of the Yes vote, saying: 'No, not all. They couldn't be taken that way."


Title: Re: Being ticked off .....
Post by The Grappler on Aug 25th, 2023 at 12:18pm
My view is simple - YES or NO - no other alternatives....

If you allow ticks and crosses you can confuse the vote either way..... KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid!) my ass .... clearly Rogers (sic) has the intellect of an amoeba .... he needs to learn how to mumble and stumble and say 'ah' and such when he speaks to play his $12,000 a week plus full perks role properly ....... talk about living like rock stars same as those Aboriginal thieves from their own people.....

"Err.. it shouldn't be... ah... be.. um.. confused.. yes.. confused... that arrrr .. way .... this ... errr.. Austrian refernedum... ahhhh.. referendum ... turned m-m-m-e into a n-n-n-n-n-neuter!  (drawn out meaningful silence)... Errr.. it... ahh got better!"


**sobs** Imagine Dutton/Ley being the leaders of the Opposition - Voldemort and Slippery When Wet Or Dry - and our 'national leaders' being Flighty Albo The Corrupt Wimp and Tanya Hideyawhitebastards and Going The Wong Way .......

Jesus God .....and out of the East of this once proud and great nation will rise a great and powerful MAN with some balls to right all wrongs and set the nation on its true course for the future... it sure won't come out of the West of this Poor Fellow - My Country!


Separating the Blue and the Red in this current Civil War... the Blue keep bluing, and the Red are wearing the disguise of socialist Commo homespun and the Blue are the ones whistling Dixie.... it's n-n-n-not really confusing to the th-th-th-inking m-m-m-m-m-mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faMZeh_vmVU

Title: Re: Being ticked off .....
Post by John Smith on Aug 25th, 2023 at 12:34pm
30 years these rules have been in place with no problems

suddenly the bigots say it's a problem  :D :D

Title: Re: Being ticked off .....
Post by The Grappler on Aug 25th, 2023 at 12:43pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 25th, 2023 at 12:34pm:
30 years these rules have been in place with no problems

suddenly the bigots say it's a problem  :D :D


Outdated rules are made to be updated.... no problem-o .... watch the Oppressed Black boys and Oppressed women in that band playing Dixie ... it's hard when you are forced to play Equality ... the new board game in town....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwQf46BokeI



Title: Re: Being ticked off .....
Post by John Smith on Aug 25th, 2023 at 1:01pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 25th, 2023 at 12:43pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 25th, 2023 at 12:34pm:
30 years these rules have been in place with no problems

suddenly the bigots say it's a problem  :D :D


Outdated rules are made to be updated.... no problem-o .... watch the Oppressed Black boys and Oppressed women in that band playing Dixie ... it's hard when you are forced to play Equality ... the new board game in town....

who says they're outdated?

I know racists are typically idiots, but surely you can spell 'no'?

Title: Re: Being ticked off .....
Post by The Heartless Felon on Aug 25th, 2023 at 1:04pm
If a tick in the 'Yes' box means Yes then a tick in the 'No' box should mean No...

Title: Re: Being ticked off .....
Post by The Grappler on Aug 25th, 2023 at 1:08pm

The Heartless Felon wrote on Aug 25th, 2023 at 1:04pm:
If a tick in the 'Yes' box means Yes then a tick in the 'No' box should mean No...


Only an outdated rule says a tick means YES and a cross doesn't mean NO... there is only one box .... equality, innit?  Equal Employment Opportunity for YES and NO... outdated rules and their abuse in this way will lead to the storming of Canberra... and rightly so - anyone can say:- "The referendum was stolen!  An unjust referendum is no referendum at all!" .... "Iniquum referendum omnino non est!" ..... and be absolutely correct...

No better way to go about dividing a country....................



Title: Re: Being ticked off .....
Post by John Smith on Aug 25th, 2023 at 1:21pm

The Heartless Felon wrote on Aug 25th, 2023 at 1:04pm:
If a tick in the 'Yes' box means Yes then a tick in the 'No' box should mean No...


As i understand it, there is no yes or no box, it's one box in which you write yes or no

it would be far easier to have both options and you tic the one you want, but the powers that be are incapable of keeping things simple

Title: Re: Being ticked off .....
Post by John Smith on Aug 25th, 2023 at 1:22pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 25th, 2023 at 1:08pm:
cross doesn't mean NO.



Crosses don't always mean no. They are used on many different forms as check marks.

Title: Re: Being ticked off .....
Post by The Grappler on Aug 25th, 2023 at 1:26pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 25th, 2023 at 1:22pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 25th, 2023 at 1:08pm:
cross doesn't mean NO.



Crosses don't always mean no. They are used on many different forms as check marks.


That's why there can be no ticks or crosses.... DUH!!  The paper cannot say 'write yes or no' and then say ' but a tick is OK and a cross is not!'  A tick does not read YES - got it?  A cross does not read NO!



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