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Title: LOCK HIM UP? Post by Linus on Aug 25th, 2023 at 11:53pm
"Lock Him Up? A New Poll Has Some Bad News for Trump
A new POLITICO Magazine/Ipsos poll provides some bad news for Trump: Even as he remains the clear frontrunner for the Republican nomination, the cascading indictments are likely to take a toll on his general election prospects. The survey results suggest Americans are taking the cases seriously — particularly the Justice Department’s 2020 election case — and that most people are skeptical of Trump’s claim to be the victim of a legally baseless witch hunt or an elaborate, multi-jurisdictional effort to “weaponize” law enforcement authorities against him. Furthermore, public sentiment in certain areas — including how quickly to hold a trial and whether to incarcerate Trump if he’s convicted — is moving against the former president when compared to a previous POLITICO Magazine/Ipsos poll conducted in June. This latest poll was conducted from Aug. 18 to Aug. 21, roughly two-and-a-half weeks after Trump’s second federal indictment and several days after Trump was criminally charged in Fulton County. The poll had a sample of 1,032 adults, age 18 or older, who were interviewed online; it has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.2 percentage points for all respondents. Here are some of the most notable findings from our latest survey. 1. Most Americans believe Trump should stand trial before the 2024 election 2. About half of the country believes Trump is guilty in the pending prosecutions 3. A conviction in DOJ’s 2020 election case would hurt Trump in the general election 4. There is considerable room for the numbers to get worse for Trump 5. Half of the country believes Trump should go to prison if convicted in DOJ’s Jan. 6 case 6. Trump and the GOP’s ‘weaponization’ defense appears to be having limited traction 7. Trump is the prevailing villain in the story of his indictments" https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/08/25/ipsos-poll-trump-indictment-00112755 Do ensure that you read all the statistics under each of the above listed headers from the article. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 26th, 2023 at 7:35am |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by Marla on Aug 26th, 2023 at 7:46am
https://youtu.be/QJGrPlVl5oE?si=H0By6E5YZrbC2YBG
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by issuevoter on Aug 26th, 2023 at 8:05am Marla wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 7:46am:
Many a true word spoken in jest. But redneck? If he was black would we call him a jungle bunny? The snob value of middle America towards the southern accent says a lot about the depth of their tolerance. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by chimera on Aug 26th, 2023 at 8:58am Linus wrote on Aug 25th, 2023 at 11:53pm:
Most politics is at the 50% ratio. Civil wars are at around 50% ratio of populations. It's the 50% mark in voting that causes contests and friction, (pork barrels im marginal seats). Not good. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 26th, 2023 at 10:06am Marla wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 7:46am:
"Tucky Wucky" ;D |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by Mattyfisk on Aug 26th, 2023 at 6:07pm Linus wrote on Aug 25th, 2023 at 11:53pm:
Don't pay any attention to them, Linus. Listen to the Real Americans. They're the ones up on charges for Capitol riots and holding tiki torch parades to protest the removal of Confederate statues. We love them, they're very special people. Look, there's good and bad on both sides, okay? |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by Bobby. on Aug 26th, 2023 at 6:10pm There are those who are more deserving of an orange jump suit: |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 26th, 2023 at 6:27pm 10. Defendant Trump initiated sexual contact with Plaintiff at four different parties. On the fourth and final sexual encounter with Defendant Trump, Defendant Trump tied Plaintiff to a bed, exposed himself to Plaintiff, and then proceeded to forcibly rape Plaintiff. During the course of this savage sexual attack, Plaintiff loudly pleaded with Defendant Trump to stop but with no effect. Defendant Trump responded to Plaintiff’s pleas by violently striking Plaintiff in the face with his open hand and screaming that he would do whatever he wanted. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 26th, 2023 at 6:35pm Judge in E. Jean Carroll Case: Yes, Donald Trump Is a Rapist On Wednesday, Trump’s request for a new trial in the E. Jean Carroll case, after he was found liable for sexual abuse, battery, and defamation, was rejected. And in his desperate attempt to avoid accountability, the twice-impeached and twice-indicted former president may have unintentionally allowed himself to now be formally known as a rapist. Trump’s team had requested a new trial in the case, arguing that the $5 million in damages he was ordered to pay Carroll was excessive, because he was only charged with sexual abuse. The jury had not found that Trump “raped” Carroll, a talking point Trump’s team often parroted. But Judge Lewis Kaplan called Trump’s semantic argument “entirely unpersuasive.” He clarified that the jury found that the former president did indeed “rape” Carroll based on the common definition of the word. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by Mattyfisk on Aug 26th, 2023 at 6:51pm Bobby. wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 6:10pm:
Yes, but they're not. America has a thing called the rule of law, Bobby. If you do something wrong, they send the cops round to lock you up. If you haven't done anything wrong and the cops try to lock you up, you say excuse me, officer, can I see your warrant? They then have to let you go. Now, you're posting fake pics. The real pics are all over the internet. They show your Dear Leader and his co-conspirators being arrested, photographed, fingerprinted, given inmate numbers and released on bail. Come next year, they'll be in court, hearing evidence on how they tried to overturn elections in five key states, organised fake electoral delegates, demanded state election officials "find" them more votes and threatened the Vice Prez to illegally throw out the election results. These are very serious crimes. They will lead to the discovery of more crimes as more and more people turn witness. Your Dear Leader is facing decades locked up. He gave us a taste of his defence in his interview with Tucker. He said he was perfectly entitled to call up state election officials and demand more votes because he secretly won the election. Raffensberger, a Republican, told him how he didn't secretly win. They'd done three audits and counted the votes twice. On the second count, they found less votes for your Dear Leader. They'd already explained all this and provided their reports. Your Dear Leader was forced to acknowledge this evidence. So, your Dear Leader tried to rig the election, then fake his way out of it. The people in your pics didn't do anything. You're trying to fake your way out too, but do you know? We're onto you. You're just sticking your fingers in your ears, saying la la la. We warned you this day would come, Bobby, you should have been prepared. We're also warning you now. This time next year, your Dear Leader will be convicted and awaiting sentencing. What do you plan to do then? Post another meme? |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by Bobby. on Aug 26th, 2023 at 6:57pm
Matty - don't count your chickens before they hatch.
Only 1 person on each Trump jury has to be a Trump supporter and Trump walks. Trump will be the next leader of the free world - your world - your leader too. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by Mattyfisk on Aug 26th, 2023 at 7:39pm Bobby. wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 6:57pm:
Grand juries have already voted unanimously on every indictment, Bobby. If I was advising the big fella, particularly in his federal Florida case, I'd request a trial by judge. Of course, I'd be advising him to plead guilty on lessor charges and not even go to trial. Otherwise, his legacy is going to have a sentence in the decades. But why are you raising legal arguments? You've put up a pic of Nancy and co in cuffs. There's not even any evidence to press charges. Are you a bot or just lying? |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by chimera on Aug 26th, 2023 at 7:48pm
Bobby,
You reject the legislative and now judicial branch of US. Are you from Putin? |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by Bobby. on Aug 26th, 2023 at 7:51pm Mattyfisk wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 7:39pm:
Trump always acted upon the legal advice of his lawyers. You can blame them if they were wrong not our innocent leader. forgiven namaste |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by Mattyfisk on Aug 26th, 2023 at 7:53pm Bobby. wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 7:51pm:
Innocent, is he? I see. Can you name one indictment he's innocent on? Just one. After that, you'll be free to join your Master. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by Bobby. on Aug 26th, 2023 at 7:57pm Mattyfisk wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 7:53pm:
Trump said he was innocent on all counts - he even has irrefutable evidence: |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by Mattyfisk on Aug 26th, 2023 at 8:00pm Bobby. wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 7:57pm:
One indictment, Bobby. Don't be shy. Panty drawers? |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by Bobby. on Aug 26th, 2023 at 8:13pm Mattyfisk wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 8:00pm:
Don't worry - when Trump is POTUS he'll make the perverts pay who rummaged through his wife's panty drawers. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by issuevoter on Aug 27th, 2023 at 8:08am
I still think Trump could weasel his way out of this. Lets get back to the reality of the case:
NYT today. "Federal officials charged with state crimes can move their cases to federal court if they can convince a judge that they are being charged for actions connected to their official duties, among other things. In the Georgia case, the question of whether to change the venue — a legal maneuver known as removal — matters because it would affect the composition of a jury. If the case stays in Fulton County, Ga., the jury will come from a bastion of Democratic politics where Mr. Trump was trounced in 2020. If the case is removed to federal court, the jury will be drawn from a 10-county region of Georgia that is more suburban and rural — and somewhat more Trump-friendly. Because it takes only one not-guilty vote to hang a jury, this modest advantage could prove to be a very big deal." |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by chimera on Aug 27th, 2023 at 8:17am
The media failed to do a count of Republican guns at the jailhouse, which would indicate how the judges will jump.
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 27th, 2023 at 8:27am issuevoter wrote on Aug 27th, 2023 at 8:08am:
Inciting an insurrection an overturning the results of a free and fair election are not actions connected to their official duties. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by chimera on Aug 27th, 2023 at 8:52am
And he politely asked Georgia secretary of state Brad Raffensperger for 11,780 votes. Trump didn't use Federal force which would have allowed him to pardon himself. But he may argue he had an official duty to win against the US people.
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 27th, 2023 at 8:55am chimera wrote on Aug 27th, 2023 at 8:52am:
Let's hear what a federal prosecutor has to say about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isjT7hwHcFA |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by Mattyfisk on Aug 27th, 2023 at 1:18pm Bobby. wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 8:13pm:
No no, I'm asking how they found stolen classified records there. Your Dear Leader admitted he put them there. Is that right? He stole classified government records and put them in his wife's panty drawers, where any rapist or pervert could find them? A simple yes or no will suffice. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by AusGeoff on Aug 27th, 2023 at 1:28pm greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 27th, 2023 at 8:27am:
A person's office has no bearing on the crime of incitement. Quote:
It's more than obvious that Trump committed a felony on or around 6 January 2021. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by Bobby. on Aug 27th, 2023 at 1:30pm Mattyfisk wrote on Aug 27th, 2023 at 1:18pm:
No - FBI perverts went through Melanie's panty drawer. :-[ |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 27th, 2023 at 3:22pm Bobby. wrote on Aug 27th, 2023 at 1:30pm:
They went through criminal defendant Trump's diaper drawer too. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by Mattyfisk on Aug 27th, 2023 at 3:45pm Bobby. wrote on Aug 27th, 2023 at 1:30pm:
So what were the boxes doing in there? |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by Frank on Aug 27th, 2023 at 5:35pm
Classified government documents from the Obama administration were found in a storage space in the garage of President Joe Biden’s Delaware home, Biden said.
The disclosure of that latest discovery comes three days after Richard Sauber, who is Biden’s special counsel, confirmed media reports that a first batch of classified documents from the Obama administration were found in an office that Biden used in a Washington think tank. “As I said earlier this week, and by the way, my Corvette is in a locked garage, so it’s not like they’re sitting out on the street,” Biden said, referring to the second batch of documents. The Department of Justice is investigating the situation. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/12/president-biden-had-classified-documents-in-delaware-garage.html Indicted? No. Millions from China and Ukraine as a result of Cokehead Junior's influence peddling for a decade. Indicted? No. Fuelling BLM riots, arson, looting, attacks on police and judiciary FOR MONTHS. Indicted? No. Leaded of the Oposition indicted 4 times. Third World BS. Some justice system. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by chimera on Aug 27th, 2023 at 5:38pm Frank wrote on Aug 27th, 2023 at 5:35pm:
You gotta love this guy. He's cuddly with a fat little tummy. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 27th, 2023 at 5:46pm Frank wrote on Aug 27th, 2023 at 5:35pm:
Refused to return them? No. Hid them when they came looking for them? No. Erased security footage of them being hidden? No Flooded the room that housed the servers in order to destroy the security footage? No. Found liable for sexual assault in a court of law and deemed a rapist by a federal Judge? No. Oops, the last one was off-topic. Sorry about that. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by Mattyfisk on Aug 27th, 2023 at 5:52pm Frank wrote on Aug 27th, 2023 at 5:35pm:
Sleepy Joe handed in his one document, dear boy, then invited the FBI over to check. Your Dear Leader got busted flying his boxes of stolen government documents to the Bedminster country club. After a federal subpoena. So again, you're all stern and upright about the rule of law, so can you explain why you want your Dear Leader let off for knocking off 24,000 classified documents, storing them on a ballroom stage, hiding them from the FBI, and trying to cover it all up? Just one of those crimes has a minimum two-year sentence under the espionage act, a law your Dear Leader signed into effect. LOCK HER UP? |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by Frank on Aug 27th, 2023 at 5:56pm chimera wrote on Aug 27th, 2023 at 5:38pm:
;) Mrs 'arris was organising bail for BLM criminals. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by Mattyfisk on Aug 27th, 2023 at 5:58pm greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 27th, 2023 at 5:46pm:
Naughty, Greggery. The old boy's all good with the rape. He's fine with the business, tax and charity fraud too. We're discussing the biggest theft of classified government documents since Bradley Manning, and she got 30 years. If the old boy's okay with that, he just has to come out and confess: he was never a fan of the rule of law to begin with, he was just having a laugh. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by Frank on Aug 27th, 2023 at 6:05pm Mattyfisk wrote on Aug 27th, 2023 at 5:58pm:
:D :D :D Are you discussing that, paki? With Creep? And Bradkey and her penis? Give us another one. Ten rupees in it for you. Go on. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 27th, 2023 at 6:17pm Mattyfisk wrote on Aug 27th, 2023 at 5:58pm:
Indeed. It's not rape if she's not his type anyway. And the kids with cancer were gonna die anyway - those millions were better off in Trump's pocket. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by chimera on Aug 27th, 2023 at 6:38pm Frank wrote on Aug 27th, 2023 at 5:56pm:
Now Franky you're being naughty. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by Mattyfisk on Aug 27th, 2023 at 7:09pm Frank wrote on Aug 27th, 2023 at 6:05pm:
What sound does a jellyfish make? |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by John Smith on Aug 27th, 2023 at 7:10pm Bobby. wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 6:57pm:
Why do you assume that every Trump supporter has zero integrity or principles, like you? |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 27th, 2023 at 7:27pm Bobby. wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 6:57pm:
That would have to happen 91 times for him to walk free, Bobby. 91 times. Moreover: "A Manhattan jury has found two Trump Organization companies guilty on multiple charges of criminal tax fraud and falsifying business records connected to a 15-year scheme to defraud tax authorities by failing to report and pay taxes on compensation for top executives. "The Trump Corp. and Trump Payroll Corp. were found guilty on all charges they faced." Are you a betting man, Bobby? |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by Mattyfisk on Aug 27th, 2023 at 8:04pm chimera wrote on Aug 27th, 2023 at 6:38pm:
Franky's left the thread for good. Intelligence and integwity, innit. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by Frank on Aug 27th, 2023 at 9:04pm Mattyfisk wrote on Aug 27th, 2023 at 8:04pm:
Just letting you mongs commune. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by chimera on Aug 27th, 2023 at 9:11pm Frank wrote on Aug 27th, 2023 at 5:35pm:
You need ..need..go out there and why.. I, attack police and ..you know..when ..the judiciary..fight like , like oh hell I dunno. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by Bobby. on Aug 27th, 2023 at 9:16pm greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 27th, 2023 at 7:27pm:
Dunno - has the clandestine Deep State finally got him? |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by Mattyfisk on Aug 27th, 2023 at 9:34pm Frank wrote on Aug 27th, 2023 at 9:04pm:
We call that wunning away, Fwank. Ever get the feeling you've been feltched? Ask Bobby for details. |
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Title: Re: LOCK HIM UP? Post by Bobby. on Aug 27th, 2023 at 9:36pm Has the clandestine Deep State finally got him? |
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