As I will be voting 'yes,' I will feel only great sadness and disappointment if 'No' got up.

If I had voted 'No' and the "no vote got up, there would be a twinge of guilt and possible a sense of irreversible harm to Australia that a chance to make things better was lost because of fear mongering garbage disseminated by arseholes.

If 'Yes' gets up, I will look forward with positivity and a strong desire to see those arseholes proven just how wrong they were in disseminating their scaremongering tripe and demonising a worthy gesture and offering.

On Sunday the 15th October, 2023, it will all become very, very real and Australia will have changed.

I prefer the "Yes' win scenario myself.

dear Aussie,
you've been swept up in the cultural Marxist YES mania.

You don't even know what the YES means.
Legislation would follow a YES vote and no one knows what it will contain.
Would you ever sign a blank cheque?

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Instead of this stupid and costly exercise in futility, how about a public enquiry into why so much money is chucked at Abos with almost no improvements in their living standards.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 6:23pm:

dear Aussie, you've been swept up in the cultural Marxist YES mania. You don't even know what the YES means. Legislation would follow a YES vote and no one knows what it will contain. Would you ever sign a blank cheque?

Off Topic.

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 6:31pm:

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Off Topic.

Gordon wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 6:40pm:

Instead of this stupid and costly exercise in futility, how about a public enquiry into why so much money is chucked at Abos with almost no improvements in their living standards.

Off Topic.

The riots in the cities and the Intifada in the countryside begin... bushfires will blow up again.. vandalism and violence and theft etc in the bush will rise ... anything to 'oppose' and 'get back at' Whitey.... so 'professor' Langton said.....

I want the popcorn and beer franchises......

The whole issue of a voice is OFF if you ask me...... should never have seen the light of day....

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If you vote No and No gets up, will you feel vindicated, proud of what you have done for the Country and its Aboriginal community?

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

The riots in the cities and the Intifada in the countryside begin... bushfires will blow up again.. vandalism and violence and theft etc in the bush will rise ... anything to 'oppose' and 'get back at' Whitey.... so 'professor' Langton said..... I want the popcorn and beer franchises......

Off Topic mockery.

Aussie wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

If you vote No and No gets up, will you feel vindicated, proud of what you have done for the Country and its Aboriginal community?

Did you feel proud of yourself after you pinned a kid to a tree?

Me?  I'll feel proud to have saved my country from self-destructing...

Ask not what you can do for your Aboriginal community - rather ask what the Aboriginal community can do for itself!!

Since I had nothing to do with their 'oppression' and I hold no power to do so, I have no duty to repair it for them - but I am happy to offer advice....

Gordon wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 6:45pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 6:44pm: If you vote No and No gets up, will you feel vindicated, proud of what you have done for the Country and its Aboriginal community? Did you feel proud of yourself after you pinned a kid to a tree?

Off Topic.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 6:46pm:

Me?  I'll feel proud to have saved my country from self-destructing... Ask not what you can do for your Aboriginal community - rather ask what the Aboriginal community can do for itself!! Since I had nothing to do with their 'oppression' and I hold no power to do so, I have no duty to repair it for them - but I am happy to offer advice....

Well...let's see if a No outcome actually brings on that self destruction instead.  I regard that as far more likely than if Yes gets up.

I reckon the honest true blues will have a butterfly gut feeling of dread ("did I do the right thing?") and loss of possible golden opportunity, a lost bird in the hand if No gets up and they voted No.

Aussie wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 6:58pm:

Gordon wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 6:45pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 6:44pm: If you vote No and No gets up, will you feel vindicated, proud of what you have done for the Country and its Aboriginal community? Did you feel proud of yourself after you pinned a kid to a tree? Off Topic.

Why, according to your version of events (which sound very dubious) you did what had to be done.

Gordon wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 7:04pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 6:58pm: Gordon wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 6:45pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 6:44pm: If you vote No and No gets up, will you feel vindicated, proud of what you have done for the Country and its Aboriginal community? Did you feel proud of yourself after you pinned a kid to a tree? Off Topic. Why, according to your version of events (which sound very dubious) you did what had to be done.

Off Topic.

Sunday 15th October......

'I voted No and No won.   :-/  What have I done???'

Don't be that person.

What's Albo going to do?

Gordon wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 7:13pm:

What's Albo going to do?

Off Topic.

Aussie wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 7:12pm:

Sunday 15th October...... 'I voted No and No won.   :-/  What have I done???' Don't be that person.

Aww, I feel so guilty now, I'll change my mind, you've convinced me!  ::)

Aussie wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 6:01pm:

As I will be voting 'yes,' I will feel only great sadness and disappointment if 'No' got up. If I had voted 'No' and the "no vote got up, there would be a twinge of guilt and possible a sense of irreversible harm to Australia that a chance to make things better was lost because of fear mongering garbage disseminated by arseholes. If 'Yes' gets up, I will look forward with positivity and a strong desire to see those arseholes proven just how wrong they were in disseminating their scaremongering tripe and demonising a worthy gesture and offering. On Sunday the 15th October, 2023, it will all become very, very real and Australia will have changed. I prefer the "Yes' win scenario myself.

Since this is a thread about how an Arssie will feel when his Arrsie is given to him on a platter, here's my feelings:

I will be greatly relieved on 15 Oct if the referendum is defeated. Truth telling about how Abos ****  up their own lives and the lives of their 'communities' in the wilds of remote Australia will be out in the open and truth telling will begin in earnest.
Words like responsibility, accountability, graft, corruption, waste, fake Abos, opportunism, Aboriginal Aristocracy etc, etc will be more freely discussed. Aboriginal responsibility for no improvement despite the lavish assistance and preferment will be discussed openly.


If the Yes gets up, Aboriginal corruption, graft, resentment, separatism will become central, constitutionally protected daily features of life in Australia.

Feel me?

The day after a NO vote gets up, the government and the Labor Party will breathe a collective sigh of relief having been offered Pilate's defence by the people.

It's not hard to imagine how many more Lidia Thorpes would be created via the gargantuan bureaucracy generated by a YES vote, and animated by the power and money it would represent.

Many aboriginal activists are making no secret of where they expect the voice to take them - treaties, reparations, and sovereignty which would quickly raise the question of whether or not aboriginals should be exempt from any oath of allegiance to Australia.

Aussie wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 6:01pm:

As I will be voting 'yes,' I will feel only great sadness and disappointment if 'No' got up. If I had voted 'No' and the "no vote got up, there would be a twinge of guilt and possible a sense of irreversible harm to Australia that a chance to make things better was lost because of fear mongering garbage disseminated by arseholes. If 'Yes' gets up, I will look forward with positivity and a strong desire to see those arseholes proven just how wrong they were in disseminating their scaremongering tripe and demonising a worthy gesture and offering. On Sunday the 15th October, 2023, it will all become very, very real and Australia will have changed. I prefer the "Yes' win scenario myself.

I say to everyone, "Don't count your chickens before they hatch."

If the YES vote carries, I will be greatly disappoint to see Australians taken in by Labor's, at best misguided compassion, and at worst their deceitful campaign to undermine Commonwealth authority so they can advance their Leftist agenda.

If the NO vote carries, I will see it as a victory for common sense over a subversive attempt to water down equality before the law, undermine property ownership, and the hateful name-calling including "Racism" used by the Labor party and its supporters.

And I would hope such a victory would not stop with the referendum.

Frank wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 7:39pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 6:01pm: As I will be voting 'yes,' I will feel only great sadness and disappointment if 'No' got up. If I had voted 'No' and the "no vote got up, there would be a twinge of guilt and possible a sense of irreversible harm to Australia that a chance to make things better was lost because of fear mongering garbage disseminated by arseholes. If 'Yes' gets up, I will look forward with positivity and a strong desire to see those arseholes proven just how wrong they were in disseminating their scaremongering tripe and demonising a worthy gesture and offering. On Sunday the 15th October, 2023, it will all become very, very real and Australia will have changed. I prefer the "Yes' win scenario myself. Since this is a thread about how an Arssie will feel when his Arrsie is given to him on a platter, here's my feelings: I will be greatly relieved on 15 Oct if the referendum is defeated. Truth telling about how Abos ****  up their own lives and the lives of their 'communities' in the wilds of remote Australia will be out in the open and truth telling will begin in earnest. Words like responsibility, accountability, graft, corruption, waste, fake Abos, opportunism, Aboriginal Aristocracy etc, etc will be more freely discussed. Aboriginal responsibility for no improvement despite the lavish assistance and preferment will be discussed openly. If the Yes gets up, Aboriginal corruption, graft, resentment, separatism will become central, constitutionally protected daily features of life in Australia. Feel me?

On Topic.  'atta boy!

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 7:41pm:

The day after a NO vote gets up, the government and the Labor Party will breathe a collective sigh of relief having been offered Pilate's defence by the people. It's not hard to imagine how many more Lidia Thorpes would be created via the gargantuan bureaucracy generated by a YES vote, and animated by the power and money it would represent. Many aboriginal activists are making no secret of where they expect the voice to take them - treaties, reparations, and sovereignty which would quickly raise the question of whether or not aboriginals should be exempt from any oath of allegiance to Australia.

Off Topic.

issuevoter wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 7:41pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 6:01pm: As I will be voting 'yes,' I will feel only great sadness and disappointment if 'No' got up. If I had voted 'No' and the "no vote got up, there would be a twinge of guilt and possible a sense of irreversible harm to Australia that a chance to make things better was lost because of fear mongering garbage disseminated by arseholes. If 'Yes' gets up, I will look forward with positivity and a strong desire to see those arseholes proven just how wrong they were in disseminating their scaremongering tripe and demonising a worthy gesture and offering. On Sunday the 15th October, 2023, it will all become very, very real and Australia will have changed. I prefer the "Yes' win scenario myself. I say to everyone, "Don't count your chickens before they hatch." If the YES vote carries, I will be greatly disappoint to see Australians taken in by Labor's, at best misguided compassion, and at worst their deceitful campaign to undermine Commonwealth authority so they can advance their Leftist agenda. If the NO vote carries, I will see it as a victory for common sense over a subversive attempt to water down equality before the law, undermine property ownership, and the hateful name-calling including "Racism" used by the Labor party and its supporters. And I would hope such a victory would not stop with the referendum.

At least it is ON Topic if not very confusing.

Aussie wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 7:52pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 7:39pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 6:01pm: As I will be voting 'yes,' I will feel only great sadness and disappointment if 'No' got up. If I had voted 'No' and the "no vote got up, there would be a twinge of guilt and possible a sense of irreversible harm to Australia that a chance to make things better was lost because of fear mongering garbage disseminated by arseholes. If 'Yes' gets up, I will look forward with positivity and a strong desire to see those arseholes proven just how wrong they were in disseminating their scaremongering tripe and demonising a worthy gesture and offering. On Sunday the 15th October, 2023, it will all become very, very real and Australia will have changed. I prefer the "Yes' win scenario myself. Since this is a thread about how an Arssie will feel when his Arrsie is given to him on a platter, here's my feelings: I will be greatly relieved on 15 Oct if the referendum is defeated. Truth telling about how Abos ****  up their own lives and the lives of their 'communities' in the wilds of remote Australia will be out in the open and truth telling will begin in earnest. Words like responsibility, accountability, graft, corruption, waste, fake Abos, opportunism, Aboriginal Aristocracy etc, etc will be more freely discussed. Aboriginal responsibility for no improvement despite the lavish assistance and preferment will be discussed openly. If the Yes gets up, Aboriginal corruption, graft, resentment, separatism will become central, constitutionally protected daily features of life in Australia. Feel me? On Topic.  'atta boy!

So you are feeling your way to "Aboriginal corruption, graft, resentment, separatism becoming central, constitutionally protected daily features of life in Australia", Arrsie?

Aussie wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 7:53pm:

issuevoter wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 7:41pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 6:01pm: As I will be voting 'yes,' I will feel only great sadness and disappointment if 'No' got up. If I had voted 'No' and the "no vote got up, there would be a twinge of guilt and possible a sense of irreversible harm to Australia that a chance to make things better was lost because of fear mongering garbage disseminated by arseholes. If 'Yes' gets up, I will look forward with positivity and a strong desire to see those arseholes proven just how wrong they were in disseminating their scaremongering tripe and demonising a worthy gesture and offering. On Sunday the 15th October, 2023, it will all become very, very real and Australia will have changed. I prefer the "Yes' win scenario myself. I say to everyone, "Don't count your chickens before they hatch." If the YES vote carries, I will be greatly disappoint to see Australians taken in by Labor's, at best misguided compassion, and at worst their deceitful campaign to undermine Commonwealth authority so they can advance their Leftist agenda. If the NO vote carries, I will see it as a victory for common sense over a subversive attempt to water down equality before the law, undermine property ownership, and the hateful name-calling including "Racism" used by the Labor party and its supporters. And I would hope such a victory would not stop with the referendum. At least it is ON Topic if not very confusing.

Ah, you ARE feeling your way to very confusing.
Not very confusing is a negative in your Aarssie repertoire of feelings (thinking being totally off topic for an Aarse like you).

Arrsie is correct. With pimples on.

Aussie wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 7:52pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 7:41pm: The day after a NO vote gets up, the government and the Labor Party will breathe a collective sigh of relief having been offered Pilate's defence by the people. It's not hard to imagine how many more Lidia Thorpes would be created via the gargantuan bureaucracy generated by a YES vote, and animated by the power and money it would represent. Many aboriginal activists are making no secret of where they expect the voice to take them - treaties, reparations, and sovereignty which would quickly raise the question of whether or not aboriginals should be exempt from any oath of allegiance to Australia. Off Topic.

Are you channelling Albanese?

Aussie wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 6:01pm:

As I will be voting 'yes,' I will feel only great sadness and disappointment if 'No' got up. If I had voted 'No' and the "no vote got up, there would be a twinge of guilt and possible a sense of irreversible harm to Australia that a chance to make things better was lost because of fear mongering garbage disseminated by arseholes. If 'Yes' gets up, I will look forward with positivity and a strong desire to see those arseholes proven just how wrong they were in disseminating their scaremongering tripe and demonising a worthy gesture and offering. On Sunday the 15th October, 2023, it will all become very, very real and Australia will have changed. I prefer the "Yes' win scenario myself.

Wow, so convincing.

First you tell us which side you are on.
Then you tell us what arseholes the people that don't agree with you are.
Follow on with the worthiness of your choice of sides.
Then once more  tell us which side you are on as if you hadn't made it clear yet.

::)  ;D

Setanta wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 8:12pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 6:01pm: As I will be voting 'yes,' I will feel only great sadness and disappointment if 'No' got up. If I had voted 'No' and the "no vote got up, there would be a twinge of guilt and possible a sense of irreversible harm to Australia that a chance to make things better was lost because of fear mongering garbage disseminated by arseholes. If 'Yes' gets up, I will look forward with positivity and a strong desire to see those arseholes proven just how wrong they were in disseminating their scaremongering tripe and demonising a worthy gesture and offering. On Sunday the 15th October, 2023, it will all become very, very real and Australia will have changed. I prefer the "Yes' win scenario myself. Wow, so convincing. First you tell us which side you are on. Then you tell us what arseholes the people that don't agree with you are. Follow on with the worthiness of your choice of sides. Then once more  tell us which side you are on as if you hadn't made it clear yet. ::)  ;D

He's channelling Albanese.

Quote:

First you tell us which side you are on. Then you tell us what arseholes the people that don't agree with you are.

He'd be right...... on this occasion

John Smith wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 8:17pm:

Quote: First you tell us which side you are on. Then you tell us what arseholes the people that don't agree with you are. He'd be right...... on this occasion

Perhaps you can explain better than "my side good, your side bad" for us, a growing percentage are moving to vote no. Perhaps you can explain it better than all the people that have come forth to explain to us what this will mean and change their minds.

Setanta wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 8:12pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 6:01pm: As I will be voting 'yes,' I will feel only great sadness and disappointment if 'No' got up. If I had voted 'No' and the "no vote got up, there would be a twinge of guilt and possible a sense of irreversible harm to Australia that a chance to make things better was lost because of fear mongering garbage disseminated by arseholes. If 'Yes' gets up, I will look forward with positivity and a strong desire to see those arseholes proven just how wrong they were in disseminating their scaremongering tripe and demonising a worthy gesture and offering. On Sunday the 15th October, 2023, it will all become very, very real and Australia will have changed. I prefer the "Yes' win scenario myself. Wow, so convincing. First you tell us which side you are on. Then you tell us what arseholes the people that don't agree with you are. Follow on with the worthiness of your choice of sides. Then once more  tell us which side you are on as if you hadn't made it clear yet. ::)  ;D

You should forgive Aussie according to the divine plan.

namaste

Hasn't been right once in this strand - always Off Topic......

Quote:

So...the day after the Referendum

The racists will still be racists,  crying about Aborigines .

Setanta wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 8:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 8:17pm: Quote: First you tell us which side you are on. Then you tell us what arseholes the people that don't agree with you are. He'd be right...... on this occasion Perhaps you can explain better than "my side good, your side bad" for us, a growing percentage are moving to vote no. Perhaps you can explain it better than all the people that have come forth to explain to us what this will mean and change their minds.

Why not? It makes the Aborigines happy and gives them the recognition they've been after for 200yrs. There is absolutely no reason to vote no. None. All of the excuses to vote no are bullshit. The polls are in decline because it's easier to scare the public with bullshit,  then convince them with reason.

John Smith wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 8:24pm:

Quote: So...the day after the Referendum The racists will still be racists,  crying about Aborigines .

This is the desperate tactic of the YES promoters - abusing people into voting YES.

What if it's a 70% NO vote? Are they all racists?

John Smith wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 8:26pm:

Setanta wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 8:21pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 8:17pm: Quote: First you tell us which side you are on. Then you tell us what arseholes the people that don't agree with you are. He'd be right...... on this occasion Perhaps you can explain better than "my side good, your side bad" for us, a growing percentage are moving to vote no. Perhaps you can explain it better than all the people that have come forth to explain to us what this will mean and change their minds. Why not? It makes the Aborigines happy and gives them the recognition they've been after for 200yrs. There is absolutely no reason to vote no. None. All of the excuses to vote no are bullshit. The polls are in decline because it's easier to scare the public with bullshit,  then convince them with reason.

Well you've convinced me about as well as Aussie has, I guess that's why it will fail.

Setanta wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 8:30pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 8:26pm: Setanta wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 8:21pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 8:17pm: Quote: First you tell us which side you are on. Then you tell us what arseholes the people that don't agree with you are. He'd be right...... on this occasion Perhaps you can explain better than "my side good, your side bad" for us, a growing percentage are moving to vote no. Perhaps you can explain it better than all the people that have come forth to explain to us what this will mean and change their minds. Why not? It makes the Aborigines happy and gives them the recognition they've been after for 200yrs. There is absolutely no reason to vote no. None. All of the excuses to vote no are bullshit. The polls are in decline because it's easier to scare the public with bullshit,  then convince them with reason. Well you've convinced me about as well as Aussie has, I guess that's why it will fail.

What makes you think I'm trying to convince you? You're beyond help. 

John Smith wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 8:33pm:

What makes you think I'm trying to convince you? You're beyond help.

Since this is a thread about feelings, my feeling is that you will be even thicker the day after the referendum, thick-as. Every day, in every way, you are getting thicker.

You are going for the Guiness Record of human density. We all look forward to something, and that is your aspiration: head of concrete with side garlic cannoli.

They have not been after recognition for two hundred years - they wouldn't know what it was...

According to their own spokespersons, what they are after NOW is power ...

NO thanks.  No Bolshevik 3% will be holding this nation to ransom.

The Day After Downfall will see Albo open the file that says:- 

Real Things To Be Done To Alleviate Problems In The Aboriginal Communities After The Voice Has Failed.

Frank wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 9:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 8:33pm: What makes you think I'm trying to convince you? You're beyond help.  Since this is a thread about feelings, my feeling is that you will be even thicker the day after the referendum, thick-as. Every day, in every way, you are getting thicker. You are going for the Guiness Record of human density. We all look forward to something, and that is your aspiration: head of concrete with side garlic cannoli.

Aussie, on the other hand, is going through a serious breakdown.... defeat in the Higgins thing did it to him.....

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 9:24pm:

They have not been after recognition for two hundred years - they wouldn't know what it was... According to their own spokespersons, what they are after NOW is power ... NO thanks.  No Bolshevik 3% will be holding this nation to ransom. The Day After Downfall will see Albo open the file that says:-  Real Things To Be Done To Alleviate Problems In The Aboriginal Communities After The Voice Has Failed.

Off Topic.

Aussie wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 9:28pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 9:24pm: They have not been after recognition for two hundred years - they wouldn't know what it was... According to their own spokespersons, what they are after NOW is power ... NO thanks.  No Bolshevik 3% will be holding this nation to ransom. The Day After Downfall will see Albo open the file that says:-  Real Things To Be Done To Alleviate Problems In The Aboriginal Communities After The Voice Has Failed. [highlight]Off Topic.

Certanly is - get with it.....

I think I'll sing a song on NO+1.

One Sunday morning as I was walking
By Brisbane Waters I chance to stray
I heard a convict his fate bewailing
As on the sunny riverbank he lay
I am a native of Erin, Ireland
But banished now from my native shore
They stole me from my independence
And from the maiden whom I do adore
I've been a prisoner at Port Macquarie
At Norfolk Island and Emu Plains
At Castle Hill and cursed Toongabbie
At all these settlements I've been enchained
But of all places of condemnation
And penal stations in New South Wales
To Moreton Bay I have found no equal
Excessive tyranny each day prevails
For three long years I was beastly treated
And heavy irons on my legs I wore
My back from flogging was lacerated
And oft times covered with my crimson gore
And many a man from downright starvation
Lies mouldering now beneath the clay
And Captain Logan he had us mangled
On the triangles of Moreton Bay
Like the Egyptians and ancient Hebrews
We were oppressed under Logan's yoke
'Til a native black lying bare in ambush
Did deal our tyrant with his mortal stroke
My fellow prisoners be exhilarated
Let all such monsters like death shall find
And when from bondage we're extricated
Our former suffering will fade from mind
One Sunday morning as I was walking
By Brisbane Waters I chance to stray
I heard a convict his fate bewailing
As on the sunny riverbank he lay

Aussie wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

If you vote No and No gets up, will you feel vindicated, proud of what you have done for the Country and its Aboriginal community?

When the No Vote gets through then we’re coming after Albo. You do realise he won’t be around after NO gets through ... don’t you?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 8:29pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 8:24pm: Quote: So...the day after the Referendum The racists will still be racists,  crying about Aborigines . This is the desperate tactic of the YES promoters - abusing people into voting YES. What if it's a 70% NO vote? Are they all racists?

Racists will still be racists no matter what percentage vote no. ::)

Frank wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 9:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 8:33pm: What makes you think I'm trying to convince you? You're beyond help.  Since this is a thread about feelings, my feeling is that you will be even thicker the day after the referendum, thick-as. Every day, in every way, you are getting thicker. You are going for the Guiness Record of human density. We all look forward to something, and that is your aspiration: head of concrete with side garlic cannoli.

My feelings are that you are retarded... whether by accident or by design I don't know,  but retarded you most certainly are.

The day after the Referendum when NO is carried -

people will be so annoyed at how Albanese

pissed our tax money against the wall -

$364.6 million for the Voice referendum -

when we are already $1 trillion in debt.    >:(

John Smith wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 8:26pm:

Setanta wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 8:21pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 8:17pm: Quote: First you tell us which side you are on. Then you tell us what arseholes the people that don't agree with you are. He'd be right...... on this occasion Perhaps you can explain better than "my side good, your side bad" for us, a growing percentage are moving to vote no. Perhaps you can explain it better than all the people that have come forth to explain to us what this will mean and change their minds. Why not? It makes the Aborigines happy and gives them the recognition they've been after for 200yrs. There is absolutely no reason to vote no. None. All of the excuses to vote no are bullshit. The polls are in decline because it's easier to scare the public with bullshit,  then convince them with reason.

Yet, the voted for the Labor Party in large numbers. I suppose they were clever back then.

Well, as I'm definitely a NO voter, I'll be very happy
that the referendum failed on the day after.

I'll be pleased to see that the majority of the thinking
public also made the right choice in voting no—unlike
Aussie, who's been captivated by the lies of Albanese
and his pale-faced, pseudo-Aboriginal sycophants.

Support for the inclusion of an Indigenous advisory
panel in Australia's constitution has dipped further,
a poll showed on Monday, putting the landmark
proposal on track for defeat. 

Support has slid to 43% in the latest survey, down
from 46% in August with voters in New South Wales
and Victoria shifting against the proposal.

The 'No' vote is strongest in Queensland and
Western Australia with 61% set to reject the Voice.

The poll also showed the approval ratings for 
Anthony Albanese, who has staked significant
political capital on the referendum, suffering a drop
in ratings, falling into negative territory for the first
time since the May 2022 election.

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issuevoter wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 10:38pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 8:26pm: Setanta wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 8:21pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 8:17pm: Quote: First you tell us which side you are on. Then you tell us what arseholes the people that don't agree with you are. He'd be right...... on this occasion Perhaps you can explain better than "my side good, your side bad" for us, a growing percentage are moving to vote no. Perhaps you can explain it better than all the people that have come forth to explain to us what this will mean and change their minds. Why not? It makes the Aborigines happy and gives them the recognition they've been after for 200yrs. There is absolutely no reason to vote no. None. All of the excuses to vote no are bullshit. The polls are in decline because it's easier to scare the public with bullshit,  then convince them with reason. Yet, the voted for the Labor Party in large numbers. I suppose they were clever back then.

Clever enough to want to get rid of the corrupt scummo

John Smith wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 8:26pm:

Setanta wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 8:21pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 8:17pm: Quote: First you tell us which side you are on. Then you tell us what arseholes the people that don't agree with you are. He'd be right...... on this occasion Perhaps you can explain better than "my side good, your side bad" for us, a growing percentage are moving to vote no. Perhaps you can explain it better than all the people that have come forth to explain to us what this will mean and change their minds. 1. Why not? 2. It makes the Aborigines happy and gives them the recognition they've been after for 200yrs. 3. There is absolutely no reason to vote no. None. 4. All of the excuses to vote no are bullshit. The polls are in decline because it's easier to scare the public with bullshit,  then convince them with reason.

Well well well ...what have we here? Five Foot Frodo is once again pretending he knows something about the issues we’ve been discussing for months now.

In response to Dumbarse Dodo’s Dribbling:

1. Because it’s racist and as such it divides/has been dividing Australia across various parameters. Duh!

2. It will only make some Aborigines happy like you because you think your lazy Abo 1/4 blooded arse might get more freebies. There are a lot of Abos who are voting No because it’s not giving them anything but MORE exclusion.

3. There are a shitload of reasons which your last drug fried brain cell is unable to fathom. Some are listed in 2.

4. What you think are EXCUSES to vote no are in fact valid reasons and these have been covered in fine detail in many topics over the past few months. It’s your problem if you can’t be bothered to read up and/or understand what is posted in such topics. As regards polls ... these were ALWAYS in decline because Australians aren’t stupid. It’s 2023 and 26 million of Australia’s population are not Aboriginal. There’s less than a million of you Abos left and even then most of you are not even half blooded.

This referendum was ALWAYS a WOFTAM. Only an ignorant, gullible, uneducated long term unemployed dole bludging Abo like you Frodo...was too high on drugs to wake up to that reality.

So for you ... don’t fret! Nothing will change. You will still need to complete and submit your Centrelink mutual obligation form IF you want to continue to receive your fortnightly dole payment. And along with your cash in hand/off the books casual tiling and painting odd jobs for extra cash for the pokies and TAB...your miserable life will continue as it always has since you were expelled from school at age 15.

"I haven't read it. Why would I?" - Albanese when asked for his thoughts on the voice's supporting documentation.

From a prime minister, who has potentially thrown his career hat into the credibility ring over the voice, can't read his way through a 25-page document, not even in a chauffeur-driven government car, or during a flight, then expects the Australian people to be good to go for a YES vote.

At the very least Albanese is grossly politically naive; at worst, he's concealing his deep misgivings about the detail of the voice, (or lack thereof), or its potential consequences once it's nailed to the constitution.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 6:48am:

who has potentially thrown his career hat into the credibility ring over the voice

crap

John Smith wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 7:03am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 6:48am: who has potentially thrown his career hat into the credibility ring over the voice crap

How long do you think Albanese's colleagues will tolerate his popularity slide if it slips further after a NO vote gets up by a massive majority?

Which reminds me now that we've put this one to bed..... HECS/student loans are a very insidious thing, enforcing orthodoxy in 'thinking' at the point of a fiscal gun - fail or refuse and you will pay for it.

Thus is 'academic freedom of thought' replaced by the clear demand to abide by the Othodoxy of the New High Priests and Priestesses of Academia - principally in the 'social science' regimes which now, via demands for 'equity' and so forth, intrude into every strand of education/training etc and are rigidly enforced by the New Priesthood and their Acolytes - and you will fail and lose your 'standing' as an intelligent educated 'intellectual', and thus YOUR equity/social/economic capital in life, and it will also cost you money.

Thus has 'academic freedom of thought' been perverted into a rigid adherence to Orthodoxy in the hands of whichever self-interest group has managed to grab the controls of institutions.... and you don't need to look too far to see which ones they are.... and how they got there via a carefully orchestrated campaign of victimhood coupled with terror, and then, once given a firm foothold - by lawfare to legitimise the terror and exclusion - the gulaging of any dissidents or 'undesirables'.

I give you the now neutered Western Beowulf, the Feminist Daemon with whom he foolishly lay down some forty years ago, and their endless array of bastard offspring - your Albos, Abos, Transos, Langtons, even your Duttos and particularly your Leys and Thorpes and such - that are devouring the West and civilisation with their brutal, heartless, and unthinking dogma at the same time....  there is no fantasy about Beowulf ..... more an accurate statement of the very real perils of lying down with daemons of any kind.

Smith has a clear advantage in being an uneducated yob - he speaks from the brain fart ...... and thus fits 100% with the Uluru statement...

D'ye hear it?  D'ye hear it?  The wailing and gnashing of teeth over the 12 (now 15 - like waves of Aboriginal Invasion or Pinnochio's Nose it just keeps growing longer) years of 'work' paid for out of YOUR treasury to design the Uluru Statement one way and one only (as a document of surrender of the majority in return for winning) - and its imminent failure.... qui bono?  Who funded all this lengthy deliberation?  The goodness of their overpaid hearts?

And what cruel, despotic, heartless regime of academic rigor mortis set the framework within which this could happen at all - that 50% of the population could be progressively excluded from the benefits of growing civilisation and the relative lack of sweaty toil in dangerous conditions and be progressively stripped of all rights while retaining all responsibilities and liabilities?  Guess ...... it goes back forty odd years now..... or even further if you consider that 'free tertiary education' actually benefited the group with more time available out of the daily grind of supporting a family....... let alone the energy and focus required after a long day's toil already .... in retrospect the aims of the then Labour government, followed by the 'Liberals' become clear..... they actively sought this current malaise of the West.  NOBODY could be so stupid as to accidentally blunder into such a disaster....

And now that their campaigns of exclusions of one demographic at a time from fair work etc opportunity have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams due to stupid politicians and lawmakers etc - the move is on TO EXCLUDE 97%.

Many of you are so stupid it has ceased to be funny .....

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 7:39am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 7:03am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 6:48am: who has potentially thrown his career hat into the credibility ring over the voice crap How long do you think Albanese's colleagues will tolerate his popularity slide if it slips further after a NO vote gets up by a massive majority?

until the end of his second term

John Smith wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 2:14pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 7:39am: John Smith wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 7:03am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 6:48am: who has potentially thrown his career hat into the credibility ring over the voice crap How long do you think Albanese's colleagues will tolerate his popularity slide if it slips further after a NO vote gets up by a massive majority? until the end of his second term

The Hawke-Keating and Rudd-Gillard stoushes indicate that a challenge could occur within 6 months of a NO vote getting up, particularly if it got up by over 60%.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 3:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 2:14pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 7:39am: John Smith wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 7:03am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 6:48am: who has potentially thrown his career hat into the credibility ring over the voice crap How long do you think Albanese's colleagues will tolerate his popularity slide if it slips further after a NO vote gets up by a massive majority? until the end of his second term The Hawke-Keating and Rudd-Gillard stoushes indicate that a challenge could occur within 6 months of a NO vote getting up, particularly if it got up by over 60%.

the results of the rudd/gillard stoush indicate that they would be very unlikely to try anything similar again

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 10:03pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 6:44pm: If you vote No and No gets up, will you feel vindicated, proud of what you have done for the Country and its Aboriginal community? When the No Vote gets through then we’re coming after Albo. You do realise he won’t be around after NO gets through ... don’t you?

Forgot to mention:

Why do you think Bull Shitten is still hanging around like a bad smell?

How will I feel the day after? If NO gets up I will feel satisfied that the majority of people have not been taken in by the propaganda being pushed by the government, big business and the Aboriginal industry and have not been bullied or influenced by comments like Professor Langdon's that all NO voters are 'racist and stupid'.  If YES gets up I will be very disappointed, however I will then watch with cynical amusement as this 'Voice' becomes a vehicle for the enrichment of a few without doing anything to help those in real need.   

Belgarion wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 4:46pm:

How will I feel the day after? If NO gets up I will feel satisfied that the majority of people have not been taken in by the propaganda being pushed by the government, big business and the Aboriginal industry and have not been bullied or influenced by comments like Professor Langdon's that all NO voters are 'racist and stupid'.  If YES gets up I will be very disappointed, however I will then watch with cynical amusement as this 'Voice' becomes a vehicle for the enrichment of a few without doing anything to help those in real need.

Ya see...right there is Dutton's and Ley's evil work in play.  Belgarion fell for that lie.

Just appalling.

Link.

Watch and hear what she actually said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmi2wiib-uE

Aussie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 4:50pm:

Belgarion wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 4:46pm: How will I feel the day after? If NO gets up I will feel satisfied that the majority of people have not been taken in by the propaganda being pushed by the government, big business and the Aboriginal industry and have not been bullied or influenced by comments like Professor Langdon's that all NO voters are 'racist and stupid'.  If YES gets up I will be very disappointed, however I will then watch with cynical amusement as this 'Voice' becomes a vehicle for the enrichment of a few without doing anything to help those in real need.    Ya see...right there is Dutton's and Ley's evil work in play.  Belgarion fell for that lie. Just appalling. Link. Watch and hear what she actually said. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmi2wiib-uE

You do realise that the link confirms what I previously posted?  ::)

Aussie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 4:50pm:

Belgarion wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 4:46pm: How will I feel the day after? If NO gets up I will feel satisfied that the majority of people have not been taken in by the propaganda being pushed by the government, big business and the Aboriginal industry and have not been bullied or influenced by comments like Professor Langdon's that all NO voters are 'racist and stupid'.  If YES gets up I will be very disappointed, however I will then watch with cynical amusement as this 'Voice' becomes a vehicle for the enrichment of a few without doing anything to help those in real need.    Ya see...right there is Dutton's and Ley's evil work in play.  Belgarion fell for that lie. Just appalling. Link. Watch and hear what she actually said. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmi2wiib-uE

That is precisely what she said: every argument for NO is either racist or stupid.

That obviously means only ONE thing: that whoever is advancing any argument for NO is racist and/or stupid.

John Smith wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 3:16pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 3:08pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 2:14pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 7:39am: John Smith wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 7:03am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 6:48am: who has potentially thrown his career hat into the credibility ring over the voice crap How long do you think Albanese's colleagues will tolerate his popularity slide if it slips further after a NO vote gets up by a massive majority? until the end of his second term The Hawke-Keating and Rudd-Gillard stoushes indicate that a challenge could occur within 6 months of a NO vote getting up, particularly if it got up by over 60%. the results of the rudd/gillard stoush indicate that they would be very unlikely to try anything similar again

In politics, as with chimp troupes, everyone knows the first rule: there are primary alphas who are respected by all and there are new alphas.

You get no passes to stay at the top once you're perceived as weak.

Belgarion wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 5:03pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 4:50pm: Belgarion wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 4:46pm: How will I feel the day after? If NO gets up I will feel satisfied that the majority of people have not been taken in by the propaganda being pushed by the government, big business and the Aboriginal industry and have not been bullied or influenced by comments like Professor Langdon's that all NO voters are 'racist and stupid'.  If YES gets up I will be very disappointed, however I will then watch with cynical amusement as this 'Voice' becomes a vehicle for the enrichment of a few without doing anything to help those in real need.    Ya see...right there is Dutton's and Ley's evil work in play.  Belgarion fell for that lie. Just appalling. Link. Watch and hear what she actually said. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmi2wiib-uE You do realise that the link confirms what I previously posted?  ::)

Look again...she refers to the argument....NOT the people!!!!!

FMD!

And if it makes your day...I agree that The Voice is fundamentally racist in concept. That is an undeniable fact.

But it is also irrelevant.

Aussie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 4:50pm:

Watch and hear what she actually said. []https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmi2wiib-uE[]

"Every time the No cases raise their arguments, if you start pulling it apart you get down to base racism, I'm sorry to say that's where it lands, or sheer stupidity."

Not surprising. Aboriginal peoples tend to be sharp-tongued and quick-tempered when they're irritated - like Italians.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 5:21pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 4:50pm: Watch and hear what she actually said. []https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmi2wiib-uE[] "Every time the No cases raise their arguments, if you start pulling it apart you get down to base racism, I'm sorry to say that's where it lands, or sheer stupidity." Not surprising. Aboriginal peoples tend to be sharp-tongued and quick-tempered when they're irritated - like Italians.

She is right.

Dutton and Ley lied and that lie, as with all the No lies, works....living proof is right here at OzPol.

Belgarion will wake up on that Sunday, and if No gets up..he can get all warm and fuzzy, gooey at the kneecaps even, that his vote was induced and contaminated by bullshit.

Aussie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 5:25pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 5:21pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 4:50pm: Watch and hear what she actually said. []https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmi2wiib-uE[] "Every time the No cases raise their arguments, if you start pulling it apart you get down to base racism, I'm sorry to say that's where it lands, or sheer stupidity." Not surprising. Aboriginal peoples tend to be sharp-tongued and quick-tempered when they're irritated - like Italians. She is right. Dutton and Ley lied and that lie, as with all the No lies, works....living proof is right here at OzPol. Belgarion will wake up on that Sunday, and if No gets up..he can get all warm and fuzzy, gooey at the kneecaps even, that his vote was induced and contaminated by bullshit.

No cases raise their arguments

The 'No cases', as she has constructed the sentence refers, in this instance, to people who will be voting no.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 5:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 3:16pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 3:08pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 2:14pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 7:39am: John Smith wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 7:03am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 6:48am: who has potentially thrown his career hat into the credibility ring over the voice crap How long do you think Albanese's colleagues will tolerate his popularity slide if it slips further after a NO vote gets up by a massive majority? until the end of his second term The Hawke-Keating and Rudd-Gillard stoushes indicate that a challenge could occur within 6 months of a NO vote getting up, particularly if it got up by over 60%. the results of the rudd/gillard stoush indicate that they would be very unlikely to try anything similar again In politics, as with chimp troupes, everyone knows the first rule: there are primary alphas who are respected by all and there are new alphas. You get no passes to stay at the top once you're perceived as weak.

be that as it may, you are still wrong if you think a no vote will mean the demise of Albo

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 5:21pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 4:50pm: Watch and hear what she actually said. []https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmi2wiib-uE[] "Every time the No cases raise their arguments, if you start pulling it apart you get down to base racism, I'm sorry to say that's where it lands, or sheer stupidity." Not surprising. Aboriginal peoples tend to be sharp-tongued and quick-tempered when they're irritated - like Italians.

ooiii ;)

John Smith wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 5:33pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 5:14pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 3:16pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 3:08pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 2:14pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 7:39am: John Smith wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 7:03am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 6:48am: who has potentially thrown his career hat into the credibility ring over the voice crap How long do you think Albanese's colleagues will tolerate his popularity slide if it slips further after a NO vote gets up by a massive majority? until the end of his second term The Hawke-Keating and Rudd-Gillard stoushes indicate that a challenge could occur within 6 months of a NO vote getting up, particularly if it got up by over 60%. the results of the rudd/gillard stoush indicate that they would be very unlikely to try anything similar again In politics, as with chimp troupes, everyone knows the first rule: there are primary alphas who are respected by all and there are new alphas. You get no passes to stay at the top once you're perceived as weak. be that as it may, you are still wrong if you think a no vote will mean the demise of Albo

That will depend on how the Australian people perceive him 6 months after the referendum if it fails.

If his ratings hit rock bottom, his wannabe-alpha colleagues will rip him apart.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 5:29pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 5:25pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 5:21pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 4:50pm: Watch and hear what she actually said. []https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmi2wiib-uE[] "Every time the No cases raise their arguments, if you start pulling it apart you get down to base racism, I'm sorry to say that's where it lands, or sheer stupidity." Not surprising. Aboriginal peoples tend to be sharp-tongued and quick-tempered when they're irritated - like Italians. She is right. Dutton and Ley lied and that lie, as with all the No lies, works....living proof is right here at OzPol. Belgarion will wake up on that Sunday, and if No gets up..he can get all warm and fuzzy, gooey at the kneecaps even, that his vote was induced and contaminated by bullshit. No cases raise their arguments The 'No cases', as she has constructed the sentence refers, in this instance, to people who will be voting no.

Crap.

I know of no person called a 'No Case."  A no case is an argument (a 'case') proposing no.

But, I guess people like you will look for devils about this Referendum wherever you suspect you have found find them and then just lie or mischaracterise, demonise, any little nugget you reckon you find.

Pathetic.

There is not one argument I have read or heard about the No case which is not a lie or deliberate mischaracterisation or scaremongering based on minority cherry picking, like "Aboriginals do not support the No case."

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 5:36pm:

That will depend on how the Australian people perceive him 6 months after the referendum if it fails.

so not the no win that will cause his demise, but how he polls later down the road? .. thanks for agreeing with me.

Aussie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 5:38pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 5:29pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 5:25pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 5:21pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 4:50pm: Watch and hear what she actually said. []https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmi2wiib-uE[] "Every time the No cases raise their arguments, if you start pulling it apart you get down to base racism, I'm sorry to say that's where it lands, or sheer stupidity." Not surprising. Aboriginal peoples tend to be sharp-tongued and quick-tempered when they're irritated - like Italians. She is right. Dutton and Ley lied and that lie, as with all the No lies, works....living proof is right here at OzPol. Belgarion will wake up on that Sunday, and if No gets up..he can get all warm and fuzzy, gooey at the kneecaps even, that his vote was induced and contaminated by bullshit. No cases raise their arguments The 'No cases', as she has constructed the sentence refers, in this instance, to people who will be voting no. Crap. I know of no person called a 'No Case."  A no case is an argument (a 'case') proposing no. But, I guess people like you will look for devils about this Referendum wherever you suspect you have found find them and then just lie or mischaracterise, demonise, any little nugget you reckon you find. Pathetic. There is not one argument I have read or heard about the No case which is not a lie or deliberate mischaracterisation or scaremongering based on minority cherry picking, like "Aboriginals do not support the No case."

You're intellectualising and lawyerising.

She said what she said.

The question is: what did she intend to say as opposed to what she did say.

John Smith wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 5:38pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 5:36pm: That will depend on how the Australian people perceive him 6 months after the referendum if it fails. so not the no win that will cause his demise, but how he polls later down the road? .. thanks for agreeing with me.

Not quite.

History will likely chalk up the root cause of an Albanese demise to a referendum failure - that's if he doesn't cock up something worse between mid-October and April 2024.

She said what she said.  Plain English and you don't need to be beyond about 10 years of age to honestly understand and characterise what she said.

Aussie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 5:17pm:

And if it makes your day...I agree that The Voice is fundamentally racist in concept. That is an undeniable fact. But it is also irrelevant.

Why is it irrelevant??  Especially if arguments against it ARE racist?


Arssie, time out, pal, sort your arse from your elbow, you are all over the place like an Uber driver on a Saturday night.

Aussie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 5:50pm:

She said what she said.  Plain English and you don't need to be beyond about 10 years of age to honestly understand and characterise what she said.

That's not how it works when the stakes are high - you need to mean what you say and say what you mean, not jumble it, have it recorded on camera, and then leave it to others to determine what you meant.

Frank wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 5:56pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 5:17pm: And if it makes your day...I agree that The Voice is fundamentally racist in concept. That is an undeniable fact. But it is also irrelevant. Why is it irrelevant??  Especially if arguments against it ARE racist? Arssie, time out, pal, sort your arse from your elbow, you are all over the place like an Uber driver on a Saturday night.

Because at the very foundation of the Referendum (including the one proposed by Dutton) and the legislation proposed by Dutton..... is a race!

It recognises a race.

FMD.  How hard is that to understand.

HTF did you get a job at a University or is it correct...you are the Janitor?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 6:18pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 5:50pm: She said what she said.  Plain English and you don't need to be beyond about 10 years of age to honestly understand and characterise what she said. That's not how it works when the stakes are high - you need to mean what you say and say what you mean, not jumble it, have it recorded on camera, and then leave it to others to determine what you meant.

She did mean what she said, and the liars mean to misrepresent what she said.

As plain as the nose on your face.

Aussie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 6:28pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 5:56pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 5:17pm: And if it makes your day...I agree that The Voice is fundamentally racist in concept. That is an undeniable fact. But it is also irrelevant. Why is it irrelevant??  Especially if arguments against it ARE racist? Arssie, time out, pal, sort your arse from your elbow, you are all over the place like an Uber driver on a Saturday night. Because at the very foundation of the Referendum (including the one proposed by Dutton) and the legislation proposed by Dutton..... is a race! It recognises a race. FMD.  How hard is that to understand. HTF did you get a job at a University or is it correct...you are the Janitor?

So the very foundation of the referendum is about recognising people by their race.
But to argue that such a division of the polity by race is wrong is irrelevant, racist and stupid.


Get your elbow outa your arse, Arse, you are shitting nonsense everywhere you appear.
Regroup, get a paper bag, breathe.

Aussie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 5:50pm:

She said what she said.  Plain English and you don't need to be beyond about 10 years of age to honestly understand and characterise what she said.

Indeed.
She called everyone who disagrees with her a stupid racist.

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So the very foundation of the referendum is about recognising people by their race.

Yes.  Undeniable.


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But to argue that such a division of the polity by race is wrong is irrelevant, racist and stupid.

The Voice is not a division of polity.  It recognises an EXISTING division, you moron!

It goes on to address that EXISTING division.

The Day The War Began - And Ended With the Warriors Driven Into The Sea.....

... and their enablers rounded up and told to pack their bags and head for prison or banishment ... might as well do a Joyce and give it up before the voice hits the skids properly ..... the treason trials will begin... some will be convicted in Absentia - a nice little town filled with normal people .........

Frank wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 5:56pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 5:17pm: And if it makes your day...I agree that The Voice is fundamentally racist in concept. That is an undeniable fact. But it is also irrelevant. Why is it irrelevant??  Especially if arguments against it ARE racist? Arssie, time out, pal, sort your arse from your elbow, you are all over the place like an Uber driver on a Saturday night.

He's a strange one with strange ideas. The Arabs should have Israel because they conquered it back in the day and Jews should be coersively moved to Tasmania but Australia's colonisation is wrong and it should belong to Aboriginals. What would the Tasmanian Aboriginals think of his plan to swamp them with millions of Israelis?

He rarely makes any sense when he spews his plans, they just sound nice to him rattling around in his empty skull.

Aussie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 6:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 6:18pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 5:50pm: She said what she said.  Plain English and you don't need to be beyond about 10 years of age to honestly understand and characterise what she said. That's not how it works when the stakes are high - you need to mean what you say and say what you mean, not jumble it, have it recorded on camera, and then leave it to others to determine what you meant. She did mean what she said, and the liars mean to misrepresent what she said. As plain as the nose on your face.

You don't know what she meant, only she knows what she meant.

When you're speaking to the nation on something with the gravitas of a referendum, you can't just spout your mouth off. You need to be very clear about what you mean and not leave any room for ambiguity.

Setanta wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 6:53pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 5:56pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 5:17pm: And if it makes your day...I agree that The Voice is fundamentally racist in concept. That is an undeniable fact. But it is also irrelevant. Why is it irrelevant??  Especially if arguments against it ARE racist? Arssie, time out, pal, sort your arse from your elbow, you are all over the place like an Uber driver on a Saturday night. He's a strange one with strange ideas. The Arabs should have Israel because they conquered it back in the day and Jews should be coersively moved to Tasmania but Australia's colonisation is wrong and it should belong to Aboriginals. What would the Tasmanian Aboriginals think of his plan to swamp them with millions of Israelis? He rarely makes any sense when he spews his plans, they just sound nice to him rattling around in his empty skull.

Poor old Aussie has nothing left apart from running interference and trying desperately to undermine others now... long after the battle has been lost... he invested far too much in the Higgins thing and now the truth is out there..... it was a planned rip-off ... no wonder the girl never looked comfortable in her public role.... dreading the moment when someone would find out - must have been a huge relief to cop the cash and flit out of the country.....

While working for the voice referendum I might have to claim rape.... wait a few days/weeks/months, have no evidence - get a sympathetic Wilkinson on tap ........ make sure Dodge was asleep and home in bed - then strike...

Let's see if we can clear up this mess so the peasantry can have a shot at it.. good old FAS Langton ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmi2wiib-uE

ONLY if you consider the idea of a voice - which then raises the argument about why it should be in the constitution - in isolation, and just forget about the list of demands that are expected to be followed by government slavishly once it is in place.

Look at what Dirty Devious Diktator Dan is Doing in Downtown Victoria in his trial run for 'treaty' ..... licking their nuts while holding off on what has been received to date - the demands for changes to law to suit them only, the demands for land and waters control, the demands for reparations and compensation, the demands for land endless...... he's holding on to those until this voice insanity is determined by the people of OZ.....

Anyone who considers this voice proposal out of context of all that is included in the public 26 pages is a fool.... and clearly all these people have ONLY been asked to look at the basic question ONLY.

https://www.skynews.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Document-14-1.pdf

You can fool some of the people all the time, and all of the people some of the time - but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time, or a Grappler any of the time.... been around too much and seen to many lies to be caught out again by this kind of chicanery.  Some here know a bit about that..... Justice Is Coming!!

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 7:03pm:

Let's see if we can clear up this mess so the peasantry can have a shot at it.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmi2wiib-uE

Already linked Crappler.  All you have to do is listen to what she actually says, and not what you want to believe she said.

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He's a strange one with strange ideas. The Arabs should have Israel because they conquered it back in the day

I have never said or argued that.


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and Jews should be coersively moved to Tasmania

I have never said or argued that.


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but Australia's colonisation is wrong and it should belong to Aboriginals.

I have never said or argued that.

See, that is exactly how lies are used.

By liars seeking to denigrate or misrepresent.

Aussie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 7:16pm:

Quote: He's a strange one with strange ideas. The Arabs should have Israel because they conquered it back in the day I have never said or argued that. [quote]and Jews should be coersively moved to Tasmania

I have never said or argued that.


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but Australia's colonisation is wrong and it should belong to Aboriginals.

I have never said or argued that.

See, that is exactly how lies are used.

By liars seeking to denigrate or misrepresent. [/quote]

You certainly have Aussie.

Well the last one might be stretching a little but you do support race based politics on their behalf as we have seen.

But then you have also said if Islam become common enough in Australia to impose Islamic law, you have no problem with that. You're a loon.

Setanta wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 7:23pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 7:16pm: Quote: He's a strange one with strange ideas. The Arabs should have Israel because they conquered it back in the day I have never said or argued that. [quote]and Jews should be coersively moved to Tasmania I have never said or argued that. [quote]but Australia's colonisation is wrong and it should belong to Aboriginals.

I have never said or argued that.

See, that is exactly how lies are used.

By liars seeking to denigrate or misrepresent. [/quote]

You certainly have Aussie.
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Like bugger I have, liar.

If you reckon otherwise, go start a Thread and post the evidence with links.

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You certainly have Aussie.

Not quite. You're misreprenting what he said. 
Nothing new there by the way

Aussie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 7:25pm:

Setanta wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 7:23pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 7:16pm: Quote: He's a strange one with strange ideas. The Arabs should have Israel because they conquered it back in the day I have never said or argued that. [quote]and Jews should be coersively moved to Tasmania I have never said or argued that. [quote]but Australia's colonisation is wrong and it should belong to Aboriginals. I have never said or argued that. See, that is exactly how lies are used. By liars seeking to denigrate or misrepresent.

You certainly have Aussie.
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Like bugger I have, liar.

If you reckon otherwise, go start a Thread and post the evidence with links.
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Are your pants on fire? Explain again how you get the Israelis to move to Tassy please. Tell us why the Israelis should move to Tassy in the first place. Are you saying that you never said that if Au became more Islamic then as a democracy you have no problem with them voting what they desire? That's just democracy...

John Smith wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 7:28pm:

Quote: You certainly have Aussie. Not quite. You're misreprenting what he said.  Nothing new there by the way

Sow me what I'm misrepresenting.

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Are your pants on fire? Explain again how you get the Israelis to move to Tassy please. Tell us why the Israelis should move to Tassy in the first place. Are you saying that you never said that if Au became more Islamic then as a democracy you have no problem with them voting what they desire? That's just democracy...

Go start a Thread about it and I'll enjoin.  This is not the place, liar.

Aussie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 7:33pm:

Quote: Are your pants on fire? Explain again how you get the Israelis to move to Tassy please. Tell us why the Israelis should move to Tassy in the first place. Are you saying that you never said that if Au became more Islamic then as a democracy you have no problem with them voting what they desire? That's just democracy... Go start a Thread about it and I'll enjoin.  This is not the place, liar.

No need, you've had your say before, I won't change your mind, you made that clear last time. I think you meant you would join me not enjoin, well I hope you did..

Aussie wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 6:01pm:

As I will be voting 'yes,' I will feel only great sadness and disappointment if 'No' got up. If I had voted 'No' and the "no vote got up, there would be a twinge of guilt and possible a sense of irreversible harm to Australia that a chance to make things better was lost because of fear mongering garbage disseminated by arseholes. If 'Yes' gets up, I will look forward with positivity and a strong desire to see those arseholes proven just how wrong they were in disseminating their scaremongering tripe and demonising a worthy gesture and offering. On Sunday the 15th October, 2023, it will all become very, very real and Australia will have changed. I prefer the "Yes' win scenario myself.

The Media should stick to Music and Entertainment.
Give the Aborigines a 'Voice' there with Seal and Co

The Political world is corrupted by the meddling of the Media.

Oh, I dunno - that was a perfectly neutral position from me there..... and I only listened to what she said..... I merely posted the link in a usable form.... get a grip, man ...

The moment they started to pull apart any NO ideas they were shown to be racism or stupidity.  Bit hard to say anything else with those words......

Now that we've got that sorted for you - let's move on.....

The voice is the DOOR to open for all the other things - it's in the statement.

p. 93  By making agreements at the highest level, the negotiation process with the Australian government allows First Nations to express our sovereignty.  - Demand 1 - separate sovereignty.

p. 94 Advances self-determination and the standards established under the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples. - Demand 2 - self-determination.  Doesn't matter where it came from it is racst and divisive.

p.95 "The Barunga Statement called ‘on the Commonwealth Parliament to negotiate with us a Treaty or Compact recognising our prior ownership, continued occupation and sovereignty and affirming our human rights and freedoms." Several Demands - prior ownership of ALL lands under a flawed imperialist concept (Demand 3); continued occupation meaning their right to own every square inch (Demand 4);  sovereignty again as separate; specious claims that they have not the same rights as everyone else or the same freedoms.

p.95 "‘any reform must involve substantive changes to the Australian Constitution. A minimalist approach, that provides preambular recognition, removes section 25 and moderates the races power [section 51(xxvi)], does not go far enough and would not be acceptable to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples’"  Demand 5 - big changes to the Constitution to suit.  Demand 6 - more than simple recognition.

p.96 "‘Indigenous peoples have the right to the recognition, observance and enforcement of Treaties, Agreements and Other Constructive Arrangements concluded with States or their successors and to have States honour and respect such Treaties, Agreements and other Constructive Arrangements".  Demand 6 - that the existence of 'treaties' and such be accepted without such things existing.

p.96 In 1988, the Barunga Statement called for the recognition of our rights ‘to self-determination and self-management, including the freedom to pursue our own economic, social, religious and cultural development.’ One of the fundamental principles underpinning ATSIC’s report on the Social Justice Package was ‘self-determination to decide within the broad context of Australian society the priorities and the directions of their own lives, and to freely determine their own affairs.’  Demand 7 - separate just about everything. = Apartheid = Racism.

p.97 "One of the fundamental principles underpinning ATSIC’s report on the Social Justice Package was ‘recognition of Indigenous peoples as the original owners of this land, and of the particular rights that are associated with that status.’" Demand 8 - that defunct ownership rights be re-established in this nation only while the world looks on both aghast and laughing.  Again - I own most of North Western Europe in that case.  Don't make me laugh.

p.97 "‘the urgent need to respect and promote the inherent rights of indigenous peoples which derive from their political, economic
and social structures and from their cultures, spiritual traditions, histories and philosophies,especially their rights to their lands, territories and resources"  Demand 9 - unconditional surrender of land rights, territory rights and resource rights, no matter what absurdities are involved.

Let's not bother with one-sided 'truthtelling'.

p.98 "The United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples enshrines the importance of truth-telling,108 as does the United Nations General Assembly resolution on the basic principles on the right to a remedy and reparation for victims of gross violations of international human rights law and serious violations of international humanitarian law."  Demand 10 - REPARATIONS - but only for one side of their frontier wars.

p. 99 "Many delegates at the First Nations Regional Dialogues stated that reform must provide a mechanism for First Nations agreement-making." .... The obligation of the state to provide agreement-making mechanisms is reflected in the United
Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.  Demand 11 - obligatory agreement making- i.e. treaties etc enforceable but only on their terms =  Apartheid. 'reflected' - hmmmmm.....

p.101 - 102 Charts of demands.

p.103 "There was a concern that the proposed body would have insufficient power if its constitutional function was ‘advisory’ only, and there was support in many Dialogues for it to be given stronger powers so that it could be a mechanism for providing ‘free, prior and informed consent’.157 Any Voice to Parliament should be designed so that it could support and promote a treaty-making process."  Demand 12 - that this voice be far more than an advisory body and must promote and support a treaty-making process.

Out of page - be back to yez later....

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 8:03pm:

Oh, I dunno - that was a perfectly neutral position from me there..... and I only listened to what she said..... I merely posted the link in a usable form.... get a grip, man ... The moment they started to pull apart any NO ideas they were shown to be racism or stupidity.  Bit hard to say anything else with those words...... Now that we've got that sorted for you - let's move on..... The voice is the DOOR to open for all the other things - it's in the statement. p. 93  By making agreements at the highest level, the negotiation process with the Australian government allows First Nations to express our sovereignty.  - Demand 1 - separate sovereignty. p. 94 Advances self-determination and the standards established under the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples. - Demand 2 - self-determination.  Doesn't matter where it came from it is racst and divisive. p.95 "The Barunga Statement called ‘on the Commonwealth Parliament to negotiate with us a Treaty or Compact recognising our prior ownership, continued occupation and sovereignty and affirming our human rights and freedoms." Several Demands - prior ownership of ALL lands under a flawed imperialist concept (Demand 3); continued occupation meaning their right to own every square inch (Demand 4);  sovereignty again as separate; specious claims that they have not the same rights as everyone else or the same freedoms. p.95 "‘any reform must involve substantive changes to the Australian Constitution. A minimalist approach, that provides preambular recognition, removes section 25 and moderates the races power [section 51(xxvi)], does not go far enough and would not be acceptable to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples’"  Demand 5 - big changes to the Constitution to suit.  Demand 6 - more than simple recognition. p.96 "‘Indigenous peoples have the right to the recognition, observance and enforcement of Treaties, Agreements and Other Constructive Arrangements concluded with States or their successors and to have States honour and respect such Treaties, Agreements and other Constructive Arrangements".  Demand 6 - that the existence of 'treaties' and such be accepted without such things existing. p.96 In 1988, the Barunga Statement called for the recognition of our rights ‘to self-determination and self-management, including the freedom to pursue our own economic, social, religious and cultural development.’ One of the fundamental principles underpinning ATSIC’s report on the Social Justice Package was ‘self-determination to decide within the broad context of Australian society the priorities and the directions of their own lives, and to freely determine their own affairs.’  Demand 7 - separate just about everything. = Apartheid = Racism. p.97 "One of the fundamental principles underpinning ATSIC’s report on the Social Justice Package was ‘recognition of Indigenous peoples as the original owners of this land, and of the particular rights that are associated with that status.’" Demand 8 - that defunct ownership rights be re-established in this nation only while the world looks on both aghast and laughing.  Again - I own most of North Western Europe in that case.  Don't make me laugh. p.97 "‘the urgent need to respect and promote the inherent rights of indigenous peoples which derive from their political, economic and social structures and from their cultures, spiritual traditions, histories and philosophies,especially their rights to their lands, territories and resources"  Demand 9 - unconditional surrender of land rights, territory rights and resource rights, no matter what absurdities are involved. Let's not bother with one-sided 'truthtelling'. p.98 "The United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples enshrines the importance of truth-telling,108 as does the United Nations General Assembly resolution on the basic principles on the right to a remedy and reparation for victims of gross violations of international human rights law and serious violations of international humanitarian law."  Demand 10 - REPARATIONS - but only for one side of their frontier wars. p. 99 "Many delegates at the First Nations Regional Dialogues stated that reform must provide a mechanism for First Nations agreement-making." .... The obligation of the state to provide agreement-making mechanisms is reflected in the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.  Demand 11 - obligatory agreement making- i.e. treaties etc enforceable but only on their terms =  Apartheid. 'reflected' - hmmmmm..... p.101 - 102 Charts of demands. p.103 "There was a concern that the proposed body would have insufficient power if its constitutional function was ‘advisory’ only, and there was support in many Dialogues for it to be given stronger powers so that it could be a mechanism for providing ‘free, prior and informed consent’.157 Any Voice to Parliament should be designed so that it could support and promote a treaty-making process."  Demand 12 - that this voice be far more than an advisory body and must promote and support a treaty-making process. Out of page - be back to yez later....

Don't bother.  All more of the lies.

That crap is NOT part of the one page Uluru thing, and is not part of the Referendum.

It is a wish list of cock heads.

Back to Yez Later ...

p.104 These included through the designation of seats in Parliament for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples (although there was some concern that these politicians would be bound by party politics),163 the creation of a ‘Black Parliament’164 that represents communities across Australia. ......... For instance, the body’s representation could be drawn from an Assembly of First Nations, which could be established through a series of treaties among nations. Demand 13 - separate Parliament and established representation in current Parliament, again using 'treaties'. Apartheid.

p. 104-105 "The pursuit of Treaty and treaties was strongly supported across the Dialogues.167 Treaty was seen as a pathway to recognition of sovereignty and for achieving future meaningful reform for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples. Treaty would be the vehicle to achieve self- determination, autonomy and self-government  Demand 14 - for Treaty(ies) on their terms only that would offer them all they want = unconditional surrender - and establish Apartheid.

p. 105 "a Treaty could include a proper say in decision-making, the establishment of a truth commission, reparations, a financial settlement (such as seeking a percentage of GDP), the resolution of land, water and resources issues, recognition of authority and customary law, and guarantees of respect for the rights of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples Demand 15 - one-sided 'truth' commission; reparations; land water and resources control; dual laws. = Apartheid and unconditional surrender of all meaningful things such as land, water and resources never used by them.

p.105 "For some, Treaty should be pursued alongside, but separate from, constitutional reform.171 For others, constitutional reform that gives Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people a voice in the political process will be a way to achieve Treaty.172 For others, specific constitutional amendment could set out a negotiating framework, and give constitutional status to any concluded treaty." Demand 16 - demand that a voice be the avenue to Treaty(ies) and all that entails in loss of ownership of land, water and resources, not just advisory.... unconditional surrender to a minority who lost ............not just a modest thing. - Apartheid and minority group unearned control over the nation and all its people.

p.106 "that the true history of colonisation must be told: the genocides, the massacres, the wars and the ongoing injustices and discrimination. This truth also needed to include the stories of how First Nations Peoples have contributed to protecting and building this country.  Demand 17 - one-sided truth telling, selective history, fantasies about nation building by them alone, and nobody has ever denied their involvement in the armed forces in protecting this country.

p.108 "The Voice should be established to enable it to perform its functions as a representative institution of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander First Peoples, enabling First Peoples to deal with the Executive Government of the day as well as the Parliament"  Demand 18 - the 'right' to deal with all levels of government, not just advise Parliament.

p.109 "The Bill establishing the Makarrata Commission should confer all necessary powers and functions to facilitate the settlement of a National Makarrata Framework Agreement between Australian Governments and First Peoples"  Demand 19 - Makaratta Commission with powers and functions, not just advisory.

That's enough to go forward with, for now... Now I'm busy - I can't do your homework for you every damned day...

Modest proposal my arse.

"That crap is NOT part of the one page Uluru thing, and is not part of the Referendum.

It is a wish list of cock heads."

Not at all - it is what is BEHIND the Uluru Thing, and is to FOLLOW the success of the referendum... all laid out for you.

Are you saying that all those local Indigenous groups were made up of cock-heads, and that includes Mayo and Langton and Burnie etc?  Then why should anyone consider their proposal at all?


"The sixteen inch, fifty calbre rifles performed as designed."  Admiral 'Ching' Lee after the Second Battle of Savo Island - yeah - they blew the poo out of that Japanese battle cruiser.

Aussie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 5:17pm:

Belgarion wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 5:03pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 4:50pm: Belgarion wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 4:46pm: How will I feel the day after? If NO gets up I will feel satisfied that the majority of people have not been taken in by the propaganda being pushed by the government, big business and the Aboriginal industry and have not been bullied or influenced by comments like Professor Langdon's that all NO voters are 'racist and stupid'.  If YES gets up I will be very disappointed, however I will then watch with cynical amusement as this 'Voice' becomes a vehicle for the enrichment of a few without doing anything to help those in real need.    Ya see...right there is Dutton's and Ley's evil work in play.  Belgarion fell for that lie. Just appalling. Link. Watch and hear what she actually said. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmi2wiib-uE You do realise that the link confirms what I previously posted?  ::) Look again...she refers to the argument....NOT the people!!!!! FMD! And if it makes your day...I agree that The Voice is fundamentally racist in concept. That is an undeniable fact. But it is also irrelevant.

She is certainly referring to the people who support the no argument. You can argue her wording all you like but that does not change her meaning. ::)

The demand for a special voice is itself racist - once that is the established ground rule, there is no turning back.

Just listened to Jacinta Price discussing Marcia Langton's outburst.

She wasn't surprised. Apparently, Langton has long been a trash talker.

When this expensive racist farce fails will Tanya or Bill stab AnAl in the back.

I reckon it will be Tanya.  ;)

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 10:35pm:

Just listened to Jacinta Price discussing Marcia Langton's outburst. She wasn't surprised. Apparently, Langton has long been a trash talker.

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Currently 57% of Australians are racist and stupid, according to Uluru Statement and Voice Campaign architect Marcia Langton. https://twitter.com/NoSpinPolitics/status/1701507501668393417

Marcia had a whinge about Dutton accurately quoting her.

Ok so now that you’ve all recovered from Marcia’s little tanty (which indicated how much the YES camp is panicking)..this fact remains 👇


Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 10:03pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 6:44pm: If you vote No and No gets up, will you feel vindicated, proud of what you have done for the Country and its Aboriginal community? WHEN the No Vote gets through then we’re coming after Albo. You do realise he won’t be around after NO gets through ... don’t you?

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 6:58am:

Ok so now that you’ve all recovered from Marcia’s little tanty (which indicated how much the YES camp is panicking)..this fact remains 👇 Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 10:03pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 6:44pm: If you vote No and No gets up, will you feel vindicated, proud of what you have done for the Country and its Aboriginal community? WHEN the No Vote gets through then we’re coming after Albo. You do realise he won’t be around after NO gets through ... don’t you?

It will depend on whether Albanese can maintain confidence in his leadership with his colleagues, who will be motivated largely by the public mood.

Bob Hawke's 1988 Referendum failure did not dislodge him from his premiership.

But then, he was Bob Hawke.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 7:08am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 6:58am: Ok so now that you’ve all recovered from Marcia’s little tanty (which indicated how much the YES camp is panicking)..this fact remains 👇 Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 10:03pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 6:44pm: If you vote No and No gets up, will you feel vindicated, proud of what you have done for the Country and its Aboriginal community? WHEN the No Vote gets through then we’re coming after Albo. You do realise he won’t be around after NO gets through ... don’t you? It will depend on whether Albanese can maintain confidence in his leadership with his colleagues, who will be motivated largely by the public mood. Bob Hawke's 1988 Referendum failure did not dislodge him from his premiership. But then, he was Bob Hawke.

Exactly. Albo on the other hand ... is a Captain Binghamton.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 10:35pm:

Just listened to Jacinta Price discussing Marcia Langton's outburst. She wasn't surprised. Apparently, Langton has long been a trash talker.

Price will speak at the National Press Club today, 12.30

https://www.npc.org.au/

Frank wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:02am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 10:35pm: Just listened to Jacinta Price discussing Marcia Langton's outburst. She wasn't surprised. Apparently, Langton has long been a trash talker. Price will speak at the National Press Club today, 12.30 https://www.npc.org.au/

I so respect this Aboriginal woman because she is an advocate for TRUTH and UNITY. Also, Jacinta Price totally gets that we can’t escape the reality of TIME and the CHANGE it has brought with it into the current debate.

Price is the positive role model we conservative Gen X women have been quietly watching. Over the years she’s developed her refreshing unique brand on the Australian political stage and she is precisely  what the Liberals need to separate them from Captain Binghamton and his McHales Navy crew of bungling buffoons.

Frank wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:02am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 10:35pm: Just listened to Jacinta Price discussing Marcia Langton's outburst. She wasn't surprised. Apparently, Langton has long been a trash talker. Price will speak at the National Press Club today, 12.30 https://www.npc.org.au/

Easily one of the most impressive politicians on the national stage.

She is intelligent, an eloquent speaker, has courage, and does not shy away from the harsh realities of societal/cultural issues that have consigned lesser politicians to the dustbin of craven and deceitful virtue-signalling.
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MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:28am:

Frank wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:02am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 10:35pm: Just listened to Jacinta Price discussing Marcia Langton's outburst. She wasn't surprised. Apparently, Langton has long been a trash talker. Price will speak at the National Press Club today, 12.30 https://www.npc.org.au/ Easily one of the most impressive politicians on the national stage. She is intelligent, an eloquent speaker, has courage, and does not shy away from the harsh realities of societal/cultural issues that have consigned lesser politicians to the dustbin of craven and deceitful virtue-signalling.

Agreed. So ... tell us how far YOU think this Aboriginal woman could go in Australian Politics.

(👆 That’s pretty much what we Conservative women are asking these days.)

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:33am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:28am: Frank wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:02am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 10:35pm: Just listened to Jacinta Price discussing Marcia Langton's outburst. She wasn't surprised. Apparently, Langton has long been a trash talker. Price will speak at the National Press Club today, 12.30 https://www.npc.org.au/ Easily one of the most impressive politicians on the national stage. She is intelligent, an eloquent speaker, has courage, and does not shy away from the harsh realities of societal/cultural issues that have consigned lesser politicians to the dustbin of craven and deceitful virtue-signalling. Agreed. So ... tell us how far YOU think this Aboriginal woman could go in Australian Politics. (👆 That’s pretty much what we Conservative women are asking these days.)

She is showing the potential to be, with age and more experience, the national leader, and maybe a transformative one.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:52am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:33am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:28am: Frank wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:02am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 10:35pm: Just listened to Jacinta Price discussing Marcia Langton's outburst. She wasn't surprised. Apparently, Langton has long been a trash talker. Price will speak at the National Press Club today, 12.30 https://www.npc.org.au/ Easily one of the most impressive politicians on the national stage. She is intelligent, an eloquent speaker, has courage, and does not shy away from the harsh realities of societal/cultural issues that have consigned lesser politicians to the dustbin of craven and deceitful virtue-signalling. Agreed. So ... tell us how far YOU think this Aboriginal woman could go in Australian Politics. (👆 That’s pretty much what we Conservative women are asking these days.) She is showing the potential to be, with age and more experience, the national leader, and maybe a transformative one.

Your reply has made my day!

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:53am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:52am: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:33am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:28am: Frank wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:02am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 10:35pm: Just listened to Jacinta Price discussing Marcia Langton's outburst. She wasn't surprised. Apparently, Langton has long been a trash talker. Price will speak at the National Press Club today, 12.30 https://www.npc.org.au/ Easily one of the most impressive politicians on the national stage. She is intelligent, an eloquent speaker, has courage, and does not shy away from the harsh realities of societal/cultural issues that have consigned lesser politicians to the dustbin of craven and deceitful virtue-signalling. Agreed. So ... tell us how far YOU think this Aboriginal woman could go in Australian Politics. (👆 That’s pretty much what we Conservative women are asking these days.) She is showing the potential to be, with age and more experience, the national leader, and maybe a transformative one. Your reply has made my day!

Hopefully she will not be restricted to the coffin-narrow constraints of one-issue politics, or suffer the 'Ardern effect' - i.e. catapulted into seniority by ambitious party elites, (because she's a relatively young woman), before she matures into a seasoned politician.

Aussie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 6:50pm:

Quote: So the very foundation of the referendum is about recognising people by their race. Yes.  Undeniable. [quote]But to argue that such a division of the polity by race is wrong is irrelevant, racist and stupid.

The Voice is not a division of polity.  It recognises an EXISTING division, you moron!

It goes on to address that EXISTING division.[/quote]

And so much for closing "the gap" ey, when this Voice idiocy will do nothing but widen the division.

Jasin wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 7:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 6:01pm: As I will be voting 'yes,' I will feel only great sadness and disappointment if 'No' got up. If I had voted 'No' and the "no vote got up, there would be a twinge of guilt and possible a sense of irreversible harm to Australia that a chance to make things better was lost because of fear mongering garbage disseminated by arseholes. If 'Yes' gets up, I will look forward with positivity and a strong desire to see those arseholes proven just how wrong they were in disseminating their scaremongering tripe and demonising a worthy gesture and offering. On Sunday the 15th October, 2023, it will all become very, very real and Australia will have changed. I prefer the "Yes' win scenario myself. The Media should stick to Music and Entertainment. Give the Aborigines a 'Voice' there with Seal and Co The Political world is corrupted by the meddling of the Media.

That's right ... you're a self loathing guilt ridden SJW who has taken the emotional blackmail & wedge politics of the Yes campaign like Jonestown Kool Aid.

No wonder you had to revert to cab driving to try & make a living. The irony of that being that it was lefty ideology driven state Labor Govt that allowed the Ride Share industry an unfettered entry into economy which halved the value of your business investment & nearly rendered it worthless.

Aussie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 6:50pm:

Quote: So the very foundation of the referendum is about recognising people by their race. Yes.  Undeniable. [quote]But to argue that such a division of the polity by race is wrong is irrelevant, racist and stupid.

The Voice is not a division of polity.  It recognises an EXISTING division, you moron!

It goes on to address that EXISTING division.[/quote]

So it is not only wrong to argue AGAINST racial division, it is also irrelevant to argue against it. The racial division, wrong though it is, must be cemented into the constitution before it disappears.

You ARE a complet idiot, Arrsie. Just muddled, stupid, totally off on the Bbwianesque/ Thick-as trajectory of cockwomblery.

https://youtu.be/GT98VKcl4c8?si=38q_6K7jGl3uokSm

Well - it seems all the reasoning minds are onside with Jacinta Price - so much for 'racism' controlling the NO debate..... just 'professorially', of course...

Gnads wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 10:57am:

Jasin wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 7:36pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 6:01pm: As I will be voting 'yes,' I will feel only great sadness and disappointment if 'No' got up. If I had voted 'No' and the "no vote got up, there would be a twinge of guilt and possible a sense of irreversible harm to Australia that a chance to make things better was lost because of fear mongering garbage disseminated by arseholes. If 'Yes' gets up, I will look forward with positivity and a strong desire to see those arseholes proven just how wrong they were in disseminating their scaremongering tripe and demonising a worthy gesture and offering. On Sunday the 15th October, 2023, it will all become very, very real and Australia will have changed. I prefer the "Yes' win scenario myself. The Media should stick to Music and Entertainment. Give the Aborigines a 'Voice' there with Seal and Co The Political world is corrupted by the meddling of the Media. That's right ... you're a self loathing guilt ridden SJW who has taken the emotional blackmail & wedge politics of the Yes campaign like Jonestown Kool Aid. No wonder you had to revert to cab driving to try & make a living. The irony of that being that it was lefty ideology driven state Labor Govt that allowed the Ride Share industry an unfettered entry into economy which halved the value of your business investment & nearly rendered it worthless.

At least when you drive a Cab they have taken the training tracks off.  We are trusted to be able to go to a destination without wheels on rails.  You?

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 12:36pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 10:57am: Jasin wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 7:36pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 6:01pm: As I will be voting 'yes,' I will feel only great sadness and disappointment if 'No' got up. If I had voted 'No' and the "no vote got up, there would be a twinge of guilt and possible a sense of irreversible harm to Australia that a chance to make things better was lost because of fear mongering garbage disseminated by arseholes. If 'Yes' gets up, I will look forward with positivity and a strong desire to see those arseholes proven just how wrong they were in disseminating their scaremongering tripe and demonising a worthy gesture and offering. On Sunday the 15th October, 2023, it will all become very, very real and Australia will have changed. I prefer the "Yes' win scenario myself. The Media should stick to Music and Entertainment. Give the Aborigines a 'Voice' there with Seal and Co The Political world is corrupted by the meddling of the Media. That's right ... you're a self loathing guilt ridden SJW who has taken the emotional blackmail & wedge politics of the Yes campaign like Jonestown Kool Aid. No wonder you had to revert to cab driving to try & make a living. The irony of that being that it was lefty ideology driven state Labor Govt that allowed the Ride Share industry an unfettered entry into economy which halved the value of your business investment & nearly rendered it worthless. At least when you drive a Cab they have taken the training tracks off.  We are trusted to be able to go to a destination without wheels on rails.  You?

Phew - that'll be a relief to Albo - he's got one vote in the bag......

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:28am:

Frank wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:02am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 10:35pm: Just listened to Jacinta Price discussing Marcia Langton's outburst. She wasn't surprised. Apparently, Langton has long been a trash talker. Price will speak at the National Press Club today, 12.30 https://www.npc.org.au/ Easily one of the most impressive politicians on the national stage. She is intelligent, an eloquent speaker, has courage, and does not shy away from the harsh realities of societal/cultural issues that have consigned lesser politicians to the dustbin of craven and deceitful virtue-signalling. .

I watched her at the Press Club.  Per 100% politician.  Two face hypocrit.

Opposes the Voice as being divisive and arguing that there ought be no recognition of Aboriginals, yet takes the job of Opposition Minister for Aboriginals and advocates for the existence of specific groups which exist ONLY to serve Abo needs, and did not immediately disown Dutton's proposed legislation for The Voice.

What an arsehole.

What a fantastic Uncle Tom!

The very job she has exists because of a racial division which is recognised, one she urges NOT to be recognised.

If she was truly consistent and fair dinkum she would resign from that job and advocate for the existence of a Shadow Minister for the Marginalised (irrespective of race.)

Such an obvious hypocrite.  Perfect politician.

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:00pm:

advocate for the existence of a Shadow Minister for the Marginalised (irrespective of race.)

That is precisely what she argued for.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:09pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 2:00pm: advocate for the existence of a Shadow Minister for the Marginalised (irrespective of race.) That is precisely what she argued for.

Like bugger she did.  She was asked specifically.  She has that job she said, because it EXISTS!!!!!  And then, in the same breath mouths there ought be no separate recognition.

What she should have said is....'Yes, I immediately resign from this position I hold and I will urge my Party Leader to create a Shadow Ministry for the Marginalised.  Stuff the Aboriginal Industry.  It should be totally abolished.'

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 2:09pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 2:00pm: advocate for the existence of a Shadow Minister for the Marginalised (irrespective of race.) That is precisely what she argued for. Like bugger she did.  She was asked specifically.  She has that job she said, because it EXISTS!!!!!  And then, in the same breath mouths there ought be no separate recognition. What she should have said is....'Yes, I immediately resign from this position I hold and I will urge my Party Leader to create a Shadow Ministry for the Marginalised.  Stuff the Aboriginal Industry.  It should be totally abolished.'

Given Price is not in government, she heads a shadow portfolio of a government one - established to hold that governmental portfolio to account.

Were she to make a statement as you suggest now, would be to divert attention from the referendum's issues to herself and to another seismic project.

But watch this space. Of all current politicians, Price is the one politician who could potentially pull that off.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:35pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 2:12pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 2:09pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 2:00pm: advocate for the existence of a Shadow Minister for the Marginalised (irrespective of race.) That is precisely what she argued for. Like bugger she did.  She was asked specifically.  She has that job she said, because it EXISTS!!!!!  And then, in the same breath mouths there ought be no separate recognition. What she should have said is....'Yes, I immediately resign from this position I hold and I will urge my Party Leader to create a Shadow Ministry for the Marginalised.  Stuff the Aboriginal Industry.  It should be totally abolished.' Given Price is not in government, she heads a shadow portfolio of a government one - established to hold that governmental portfolio to account. Were she to make a statement as you suggest now, would be to divert attention from the referendum's issues to herself and to another seismic project. But watch this space. Of all current politicians, Price is the one politician who could potentially pull that off.

You agree her position is hypocritical, but apologise for it by saying she will change it.

If she was fair dinkum, she would never have taken the job.  But nah....position, power, and money won out.

Uncle Tom perfection.  Cheap opportunist politician perfection.

Takes all the perks from being separately recognised but argues that there ought be no separate recognition.

Drags to the Press Club some woman she wails can't get the PM's ear or the ear of Burnley.  Was it a white woman?  Nah...a black one.  Spoke on and on about how awful it is for Aboriginals, yet NOT ONE word about how awful it is for ALL marginalised people who cannot get into a politician's ear and actually be assisted.

Uncle Tom perfect.

It's all right, Aussie - we all know how difficult it is to accept the words of an Uppity Black Woman... or even a half Black Woman Uncle Tom ...... just take your tablets, grab a good scotch, and take a lie down... you'll be right.  Relax and let the universe flow through you.... empty your mind and think of nothing for a while... shake off the ghosts of your past and live for the future of all....

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:48pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 2:35pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 2:12pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 2:09pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 2:00pm: advocate for the existence of a Shadow Minister for the Marginalised (irrespective of race.) That is precisely what she argued for. Like bugger she did.  She was asked specifically.  She has that job she said, because it EXISTS!!!!!  And then, in the same breath mouths there ought be no separate recognition. What she should have said is....'Yes, I immediately resign from this position I hold and I will urge my Party Leader to create a Shadow Ministry for the Marginalised.  Stuff the Aboriginal Industry.  It should be totally abolished.' Given Price is not in government, she heads a shadow portfolio of a government one - established to hold that governmental portfolio to account. Were she to make a statement as you suggest now, would be to divert attention from the referendum's issues to herself and to another seismic project. But watch this space. Of all current politicians, Price is the one politician who could potentially pull that off. You agree her position is hypocritical, but apologise for it by saying she will change it. If she was fair dinkum, she would never have taken the job.  But nah....position, power, and money won out. Uncle Tom perfection.  Cheap opportunist politician perfection. Takes all the perks from being separately recognised but argues that there ought be no separate recognition. Drags to the Press Club some woman she wails can't get the PM's ear or the ear of Burnley.  Was it a white woman?  Nah...a black one.  Spoke on and on about how awful it is for Aboriginals, yet NOT ONE word about how awful it is for ALL marginalised people who cannot get into a politician's ear and actually be assisted. Uncle Tom perfect.

So Langton's poor choice of words characterising No voters (or was it just their arguments that were racist, not the speakers!) as racist and stupid, but Price is a hypocrite, while Langton is 'misunderstood' eh!

It was Langton who warned Price to steer clear of discussing endemic Aboriginal violence in communities so as to assist the Yes vote getting up.

Deceitful, much?

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:54pm:

just take your tablets, grab a good scotch, and take a lie down... you'll be right.

A scotch and benzo... hold the ice!

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:54pm:

It's all right, Aussie - we all know how difficult it is to accept the words of an Uppity Black Woman... or even a half Black Woman Uncle Tom ...... just take your tablets, grab a good scotch, and take a lie down... you'll be right.  Relax and let the universe flow through you.... empty your mind and think of nothing for a while... shake off the ghosts of your past and live for the future of all....

'Uppity!'  Nah.  Just a typical hypocritical politician and worse, a cheap mouthy Uncle Tom who has a stage and microphone.

I tried to check her educational background but the www is strangely silent on that.

But, she enjoys the benefits of a black political dynasty while at the same time, fraudulently decries being a black fella who is where she is BECAUSE she is a black fella.

Perfect!

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 3:18pm:

she enjoys the benefits of a black political dynasty

A black political dynasty, eh! They're all sworn enemies of hers! Even Pearson, to his eternal discredit, has come out swinging at her.

The day after the referendum, I will be rejoicing over the victory we had against the radical left virtue signaling Labor party. They are so far past their use-by date it's not even funny any more. That goes for Dutton as well with his second referendum. When we say "NO' in the first one, that will be the end of it

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:00pm:

I watched her at the Press Club.  Per 100% politician.  Two face hypocrit. Opposes the Voice as being divisive and arguing that there ought be no recognition of Aboriginals, yet takes the job of Opposition Minister for Aboriginals and advocates for the existence of specific groups which exist ONLY to serve Abo needs, and did not immediately disown Dutton's proposed legislation for The Voice. What an arsehole. What a fantastic Uncle Tom! The very job she has exists because of a racial division which is recognised, one she urges NOT to be recognised. If she was truly consistent and fair dinkum she would resign from that job and advocate for the existence of a Shadow Minister for the Marginalised (irrespective of race.) Such an obvious hypocrite.  Perfect politician.

By your exceedingly moronic 'reckoning', veterans, the young, the old, the disabled, the homeless etc should all have their own constitutional recognition and Voice since they all have ministries  - or else such ministers should resign as hypocrites for not actively campaigning for the constitutional recognition of their particular constituents.

You always talk dozy twattery, Arrse,  and this is no exception. Price is inspiring, you are inadequate.

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 3:18pm:

I tried to check her educational background but the www is strangely silent on that.

HSC.  More than you can say - of Thick-as Gino.

In any case, she is incomparably more articulate and intelligent than you, Aarse, no matter how much you fetishise credentials.


As she said at the Press Club:
Aboriginal Australians … have the same opportunities as all other Australians in this country. We certainly have one of the greatest systems around the world in terms of the democratic structure in comparison to other countries.

“It is why migrants flock to Australia to call Australia home because the opportunity that exists for all Australians. But if we keep telling Aboriginal people that they are victims, we are effectively removing their agency and giving them the expectation that someone else is responsible for their lives.”
...
The Northern Territory Country Liberal Party senator, who wants a royal commission into the sexual abuse of Aboriginal children, said a key priority must be addressing cultural practices in remote communities that drive the highest rates of family and interpersonal violence in Australia.

“The experience that, not because of the effects of colonisation, but because it is expected that young girls are married off to older husbands in arranged marriages. We haven’t had a feminist movement for Aboriginal women because we have been expected to toe the line … for the rights of our race but the rights as women has been second place,” she said.
...
Asked whether a stand-alone Indigenous Australians minister should exist, Senator Price said “I would hope to see that one day in our country, we wouldn’t require such a portfolio”.

Senator Price said a constitutionally enshrined Voice to Parliament body suggests that the “gap will exist in perpetuity and that is not what we want”.

“If we don’t have that (Indigenous Australians) portfolio it means that everybody is taking advantage of the same opportunities that our country has to offer.”

For now, Senator Price said she would use the “position of power to hold to account those that we are responsible for within this portfolio”.

“There are over 3,000 Aboriginal organisations and many of whom the responsibility of this portfolio go under.”

“If you’re responsible for such a portfolio you should be holding to account those under you that are supposed to be delivering the outcomes because government might hold the purse strings but it is everybody’s responsibility going forward and that is the accountability that I don’t believe has been applied effectively enough previously.”

Why does she ask for a RC into ONLY Abo kids?????

After all, she decries Abos being treated differently, singled out for any specific treatment.

Get it Frank?

You smacking moron!

Lets have listen to the lady herself.

https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/peta-credlin/no-surprise-jacinta-price-slams-marcia-langton-for-derogatory-attacks/video/753fdfff105ef0d78c928d70a22b652b

Yet Aussie abuses this woman, calls her an "Uncle Tom" ( an Americanism that has no relevance in Australia BTW) but as the lady herself says, his  abuse says more about him than her.

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 4:54pm:

Why does she ask for a RC into ONLY Abo kids????? After all, she decries Abos being treated differently, singled out for any specific treatment.

More like Price sees an RC into Aboriginal abuse as the first cab off the rank - starting, I'd bet, with the cultural 'custom' of underage polygamous marriages - necessary in a hunter-gatherer society where you're done by 35 and, if you're a man who's proved his fertility, then the more kids you can father, the better; but in 21st-century Australia? Nyet.

Belgarion wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 5:13pm:

Lets have listen to the lady herself. https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/peta-credlin/no-surprise-jacinta-price-slams-marcia-langton-for-derogatory-attacks/video/753fdfff105ef0d78c928d70a22b652b Yet Aussie abuses this woman, calls her an "Uncle Tom" ( an Americanism that has no relevance in Australia BTW) but as the lady herself says, his  abuse says more about him than her.

You confuse call a spade a spade with abuse.  The woman is completely inconsistent and calling her a hypocritical Uncle Tom is as nice as she can expect given her fraudulence.  Of course, she is so steeply politicised she will never see herself for what she is until there is an epiphany which may never happen until she has a yarn with that Peter bloke.

She talks the talk well but her political grab bag crap does not stand up to scrutiny.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 5:15pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 4:54pm: Why does she ask for a RC into ONLY Abo kids????? After all, she decries Abos being treated differently, singled out for any specific treatment. More like Price sees an RC into Aboriginal abuse as the first cab off the rank - starting, I'd bet, with the cultural 'custom' of underage polygamous marriages - necessary in a hunter-gatherer society where you're done by 35 and, if you're a man who's proved his fertility, then the more kids you can father, the better; but in 21st-century Australia? Nyet.

You have avoided confronting the reality of her hypocrisy.  I ask again...why a RC into JUST abuse of Abo kids?  Why not ALL kids????

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 5:24pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 5:15pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 4:54pm: Why does she ask for a RC into ONLY Abo kids????? After all, she decries Abos being treated differently, singled out for any specific treatment. More like Price sees an RC into Aboriginal abuse as the first cab off the rank - starting, I'd bet, with the cultural 'custom' of underage polygamous marriages - necessary in a hunter-gatherer society where you're done by 35 and, if you're a man who's proved his fertility, then the more kids you can father, the better; but in 21st-century Australia? Nyet. You have avoided confronting the reality of her hypocrisy.  I ask again...why a RC into JUST abuse of Abo kids?  Why not ALL kids????

Please.

Her experience is directly with Aboriginal kids in Aboriginal communities. I'd seriously doubt she's OK with abuse in other ethnic communities.

Is Langton or the others calling for any inquiry into child sexual abuse - or any serious abuse for that matter?

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 4:54pm:

Why does she ask for a RC into ONLY Abo kids????? After all, she decries Abos being treated differently, singled out for any specific treatment. Get it Frank? You smacking moron!

Because she's a lib, and as with any lib, hypocrisy runs through her veins. She baths in it. And dumbies like frank applaud her when she pushes the liberal party agenda, but shout her down as a lunatic if she pushes the aboriginal agenda

John Smith wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 5:38pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 4:54pm: Why does she ask for a RC into ONLY Abo kids????? After all, she decries Abos being treated differently, singled out for any specific treatment. Get it Frank? You smacking moron! Because she's a lib, and as with any lib, hypocrisy runs through her veins. She baths in it. And dumbies like frank applaud her when she pushes the liberal party agenda, but shout her down as a lunatic if she pushes the aboriginal agenda

We HAD a RC into institutional child abuse already.
It did NOT cover Aboriginal kids who suffer extraordinarily more sex abuse and violence than any other demographic, AT THE HANDS OF THEIR OWN PEOPLE.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 5:37pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 5:24pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 5:15pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 4:54pm: Why does she ask for a RC into ONLY Abo kids????? After all, she decries Abos being treated differently, singled out for any specific treatment. More like Price sees an RC into Aboriginal abuse as the first cab off the rank - starting, I'd bet, with the cultural 'custom' of underage polygamous marriages - necessary in a hunter-gatherer society where you're done by 35 and, if you're a man who's proved his fertility, then the more kids you can father, the better; but in 21st-century Australia? Nyet. You have avoided confronting the reality of her hypocrisy.  I ask again...why a RC into JUST abuse of Abo kids?  Why not ALL kids???? Please. Her experience is directly with Aboriginal kids in Aboriginal communities. I'd seriously doubt she's OK with abuse in other ethnic communities. Is Langton or the others calling for any inquiry into child sexual abuse - or any serious abuse for that matter?

Leave the whataboutism out of it.  I don't give a stuff about Langton.  I reckon her advocacy is pathetic.

What you are failing to see is...on one hand, Price decries doing anything Abo specific arguing there must be all in...not just one in......yet, there she is, on the other hand, applauding many Abo specific programmes, occupying a specific Abo position, and arguing for a RC into Abo specific child abuse.

Simple as that.

She is a fraud, a hypocritical Uncle Tom.

QED.

John Smith wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 5:38pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 4:54pm: Why does she ask for a RC into ONLY Abo kids????? After all, she decries Abos being treated differently, singled out for any specific treatment. Get it Frank? You smacking moron! Because she's a lib, and as with any lib, hypocrisy runs through her veins. She baths in it. And dumbies like frank applaud her when she pushes the liberal party agenda, but shout her down as a lunatic if she pushes the aboriginal agenda

What is the Liberal Party agenda, thicko?

Responsibility and accountability. But that's like a stake, garlic and sunlight to thicko lurking ijits like you and Arrse and yer bint of a Mothra.

Frank wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 5:54pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 5:38pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 4:54pm: Why does she ask for a RC into ONLY Abo kids????? After all, she decries Abos being treated differently, singled out for any specific treatment. Get it Frank? You smacking moron! Because she's a lib, and as with any lib, hypocrisy runs through her veins. She baths in it. And dumbies like frank applaud her when she pushes the liberal party agenda, but shout her down as a lunatic if she pushes the aboriginal agenda We HAD a RC into institutional child abuse already. It did NOT cover Aboriginal kids who suffer extraordinarily more sex abuse and violence than any other demographic, AT THE HANDS OF THEIR OWN PEOPLE.

It did you lying moron.  How many links do you want?

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 12:36pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 10:57am: Jasin wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 7:36pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 6:01pm: As I will be voting 'yes,' I will feel only great sadness and disappointment if 'No' got up. If I had voted 'No' and the "no vote got up, there would be a twinge of guilt and possible a sense of irreversible harm to Australia that a chance to make things better was lost because of fear mongering garbage disseminated by arseholes. If 'Yes' gets up, I will look forward with positivity and a strong desire to see those arseholes proven just how wrong they were in disseminating their scaremongering tripe and demonising a worthy gesture and offering. On Sunday the 15th October, 2023, it will all become very, very real and Australia will have changed. I prefer the "Yes' win scenario myself. The Media should stick to Music and Entertainment. Give the Aborigines a 'Voice' there with Seal and Co The Political world is corrupted by the meddling of the Media. That's right ... you're a self loathing guilt ridden SJW who has taken the emotional blackmail & wedge politics of the Yes campaign like Jonestown Kool Aid. No wonder you had to revert to cab driving to try & make a living. The irony of that being that it was lefty ideology driven state Labor Govt that allowed the Ride Share industry an unfettered entry into economy which halved the value of your business investment & nearly rendered it worthless. At least when you drive a Cab they have taken the training tracks off.  We are trusted to be able to go to a destination without wheels on rails.  You?

Don't even try to talk to me about tired taxi drivers that caused the deaths or serious injuries of railway traincrew ... you clueless Tnuc.

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 5:54pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 5:37pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 5:24pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 5:15pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 4:54pm: Why does she ask for a RC into ONLY Abo kids????? After all, she decries Abos being treated differently, singled out for any specific treatment. More like Price sees an RC into Aboriginal abuse as the first cab off the rank - starting, I'd bet, with the cultural 'custom' of underage polygamous marriages - necessary in a hunter-gatherer society where you're done by 35 and, if you're a man who's proved his fertility, then the more kids you can father, the better; but in 21st-century Australia? Nyet. You have avoided confronting the reality of her hypocrisy.  I ask again...why a RC into JUST abuse of Abo kids?  Why not ALL kids???? Please. Her experience is directly with Aboriginal kids in Aboriginal communities. I'd seriously doubt she's OK with abuse in other ethnic communities. Is Langton or the others calling for any inquiry into child sexual abuse - or any serious abuse for that matter? Leave the whataboutism out of it.  I don't give a stuff about Langton.  I reckon her advocacy is pathetic. What you are failing to see is...on one hand, Price decries doing anything Abo specific arguing there must be all in...not just one in......yet, there she is, on the other hand, applauding many Abo specific programmes, occupying a specific Abo position, and arguing for a RC into Abo specific child abuse. Simple as that. She is a fraud, a hypocritical Uncle Tom. QED.

Price has opened the debate on the underbelly of cultural and perverse actions within Aboriginal communities that go to the heart of the so-called gap's causes, and for once the solution is not about mo' money and power; it's about community cultural reform.

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:00pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:28am: Frank wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:02am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 10:35pm: Just listened to Jacinta Price discussing Marcia Langton's outburst. She wasn't surprised. Apparently, Langton has long been a trash talker. Price will speak at the National Press Club today, 12.30 https://www.npc.org.au/ Easily one of the most impressive politicians on the national stage. She is intelligent, an eloquent speaker, has courage, and does not shy away from the harsh realities of societal/cultural issues that have consigned lesser politicians to the dustbin of craven and deceitful virtue-signalling. . I watched her at the Press Club.  Per 100% politician.  Two face hypocrit. Opposes the Voice as being divisive and arguing that there ought be no recognition of Aboriginals, yet takes the job of Opposition Minister for Aboriginals and advocates for the existence of specific groups which exist ONLY to serve Abo needs, and did not immediately disown Dutton's proposed legislation for The Voice. What an arsehole. What a fantastic Uncle Tom! The very job she has exists because of a racial division which is recognised, one she urges NOT to be recognised. If she was truly consistent and fair dinkum she would resign from that job and advocate for the existence of a Shadow Minister for the Marginalised (irrespective of race.) Such an obvious hypocrite.  Perfect politician.

She presented herself & her opinions well ... ran rings around the bullshyte you dish up & responded well to all questions asked of her.

If she's a hypocrite you're a transgender priest.

You get more ridiculously brainwashed by the day.

Gnads wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 5:59pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 12:36pm: Gnads wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 10:57am: Jasin wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 7:36pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 6:01pm: As I will be voting 'yes,' I will feel only great sadness and disappointment if 'No' got up. If I had voted 'No' and the "no vote got up, there would be a twinge of guilt and possible a sense of irreversible harm to Australia that a chance to make things better was lost because of fear mongering garbage disseminated by arseholes. If 'Yes' gets up, I will look forward with positivity and a strong desire to see those arseholes proven just how wrong they were in disseminating their scaremongering tripe and demonising a worthy gesture and offering. On Sunday the 15th October, 2023, it will all become very, very real and Australia will have changed. I prefer the "Yes' win scenario myself. The Media should stick to Music and Entertainment. Give the Aborigines a 'Voice' there with Seal and Co The Political world is corrupted by the meddling of the Media. That's right ... you're a self loathing guilt ridden SJW who has taken the emotional blackmail & wedge politics of the Yes campaign like Jonestown Kool Aid. No wonder you had to revert to cab driving to try & make a living. The irony of that being that it was lefty ideology driven state Labor Govt that allowed the Ride Share industry an unfettered entry into economy which halved the value of your business investment & nearly rendered it worthless. At least when you drive a Cab they have taken the training tracks off.  We are trusted to be able to go to a destination without wheels on rails.  You? Don't even try to talk to me about tired taxi drivers that caused the deaths or serious injuries of railway traincrew ... you clueless Tnuc.

Go on...tell me all about it.  Don't suddenly go all coy and secretive.

My guess is that you have nothing because we still, to this very day, carry rail crews back to their Home Depots.

I'll bet that when you retired, trains drivers were still driving trains on tracks because they could not be trusted to drive anything which is sort of go anywhere.  The hardest thing they had to do was stop and go when told to, and maybe slow down when they were told to.

;D

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 2:09pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 2:00pm: advocate for the existence of a Shadow Minister for the Marginalised (irrespective of race.) That is precisely what she argued for. Like bugger she did.  She was asked specifically.  She has that job she said, because it EXISTS!!!!!  And then, in the same breath mouths there ought be no separate recognition. What she should have said is....'Yes, I immediately resign from this position I hold and I will urge my Party Leader to create a Shadow Ministry for the Marginalised.  Stuff the Aboriginal Industry.  It should be totally abolished.'

And who made Linda Burnies ministerial job you retard?

In response to that Jacinta Price was made shadow minister for same.

You should have quit before you got tied up with Alison Grosse.

STFU.

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:48pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 2:35pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 2:12pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 2:09pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 2:00pm: advocate for the existence of a Shadow Minister for the Marginalised (irrespective of race.) That is precisely what she argued for. Like bugger she did.  She was asked specifically.  She has that job she said, because it EXISTS!!!!!  And then, in the same breath mouths there ought be no separate recognition. What she should have said is....'Yes, I immediately resign from this position I hold and I will urge my Party Leader to create a Shadow Ministry for the Marginalised.  Stuff the Aboriginal Industry.  It should be totally abolished.' Given Price is not in government, she heads a shadow portfolio of a government one - established to hold that governmental portfolio to account. Were she to make a statement as you suggest now, would be to divert attention from the referendum's issues to herself and to another seismic project. But watch this space. Of all current politicians, Price is the one politician who could potentially pull that off. You agree her position is hypocritical, but apologise for it by saying she will change it. If she was fair dinkum, she would never have taken the job.  But nah....position, power, and money won out. Uncle Tom perfection.  Cheap opportunist politician perfection. Takes all the perks from being separately recognised but argues that there ought be no separate recognition. Drags to the Press Club some woman she wails can't get the PM's ear or the ear of Burnley.  Was it a white woman?  Nah...a black one.  Spoke on and on about how awful it is for Aboriginals, yet NOT ONE word about how awful it is for ALL marginalised people who cannot get into a politician's ear and actually be assisted. Uncle Tom perfect.

You dumb front bottom for every ministerial position made by the govt of the day - the opposition create a shadow minister.

Wake up to your self - you dumbarsed cab driver.

Gnads wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 6:08pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 2:12pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 2:09pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 2:00pm: advocate for the existence of a Shadow Minister for the Marginalised (irrespective of race.) That is precisely what she argued for. Like bugger she did.  She was asked specifically.  She has that job she said, because it EXISTS!!!!!  And then, in the same breath mouths there ought be no separate recognition. What she should have said is....'Yes, I immediately resign from this position I hold and I will urge my Party Leader to create a Shadow Ministry for the Marginalised.  Stuff the Aboriginal Industry.  It should be totally abolished.' And who made Linda Burnies ministerial job you retard? In response to that Jacinta Price was made shadow minister for same. You should have quit before you got tied up with Alison Grosse. STFU.

I have no idea who created the Ministry for Abo Affairs but that is irrelevant.  (Edit...just checked....it was your mate McMahon.)

Given Price says, (Burney does not) there should be nothing Abo specific and it all should be aimed at ALL those who are marginalised, she was morally bound to refuse to take a a job which at the very fundamental is recognition of a specific race.

But nah, she had to put her snout into the trough and trust that there are sufficient numbers of dumb arseholes around who cannot, or refuse to see her hypocritical fraudulence.  On that matter, it seems she is right.

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 3:18pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 2:54pm: It's all right, Aussie - we all know how difficult it is to accept the words of an Uppity Black Woman... or even a half Black Woman Uncle Tom ...... just take your tablets, grab a good scotch, and take a lie down... you'll be right.  Relax and let the universe flow through you.... empty your mind and think of nothing for a while... shake off the ghosts of your past and live for the future of all.... 'Uppity!'  Nah.  Just a typical hypocritical politician and worse, a cheap mouthy Uncle Tom who has a stage and microphone. I tried to check her educational background but the www is strangely silent on that. But, she enjoys the benefits of a black political dynasty while at the same time, fraudulently decries being a black fella who is where she is BECAUSE she is a black fella. Perfect!

You wouldn't know an Uncle Tom if it bit you on the arse.

And the chip on their shoulders haters in Langton, Reid, Davis, Mayo(Mayor), Pearson et al what's their excuse?

As Price said repeatedly ... these rich urban raised & educated elite arseholes don't represent marginalised Aboriginal Australians in remote communities.

No Aboriginals outside those communities are disadvantaged.

You didn't listen to the whole program.

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 6:14pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 6:08pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 2:12pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 2:09pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 2:00pm: advocate for the existence of a Shadow Minister for the Marginalised (irrespective of race.) That is precisely what she argued for. Like bugger she did.  She was asked specifically.  She has that job she said, because it EXISTS!!!!!  And then, in the same breath mouths there ought be no separate recognition. What she should have said is....'Yes, I immediately resign from this position I hold and I will urge my Party Leader to create a Shadow Ministry for the Marginalised.  Stuff the Aboriginal Industry.  It should be totally abolished.' And who made Linda Burnies ministerial job you retard? In response to that Jacinta Price was made shadow minister for same. You should have quit before you got tied up with Alison Grosse. STFU. I have no idea who created the Ministry for Abo Affairs but that is irrelevant.  (Edit...just checked....it was your mate McMahon.) Given Price says, (Burney does not) there should be nothing Abo specific and it all should be aimed at ALL those who are marginalised, she was morally bound to refuse to take a a job which at the very fundamental is recognition of a specific race. But nah, she had to put her snout into the trough and trust that there are sufficient numbers of dumb arseholes around who cannot, or refuse to see her hypocritical fraudulence.  On that matter, it seems she is right.

You're the dumb arsehole. Your history proves it.

Frank wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 5:57pm:

What is the Liberal Party agenda, thicko?

to screw the minorities as much as they can


Frank wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 5:57pm:

Responsibility and accountability.

certainly not off themselves

Gnads wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 6:19pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 3:18pm: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 2:54pm: It's all right, Aussie - we all know how difficult it is to accept the words of an Uppity Black Woman... or even a half Black Woman Uncle Tom ...... just take your tablets, grab a good scotch, and take a lie down... you'll be right.  Relax and let the universe flow through you.... empty your mind and think of nothing for a while... shake off the ghosts of your past and live for the future of all.... 'Uppity!'  Nah.  Just a typical hypocritical politician and worse, a cheap mouthy Uncle Tom who has a stage and microphone. I tried to check her educational background but the www is strangely silent on that. But, she enjoys the benefits of a black political dynasty while at the same time, fraudulently decries being a black fella who is where she is BECAUSE she is a black fella. Perfect! You wouldn't know an Uncle Tom if it bit you on the arse. And the chip on their shoulders haters in Langton, Reid, Davis, Mayo(Mayor), Pearson et al what's their excuse? As Price said repeatedly ... these rich urban raised & educated elite arseholes don't represent marginalised Aboriginal Australians in remote communities. No Aboriginals outside those communities are disadvantaged. You didn't listen to the whole program.

Oh yes I did...I watched every second, and noted her hypocrisy just like the Reporters there did.  They asked her polite questions about it, and she gave answers she will later regret.  She walked right into their agenda of getting her to commit on record and then, later at the right time, they will draw attention to her hypocrisy and Uncle Tom conduct.  Taking her on while she has the stage/microphone is silly, so they did the next best thing.

And do you argue she is NOT a "rich urban raised & educated elite arsehole?"

Really Gonads...get off the piss.

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 6:14pm:

But nah, she had to put her snout into the trough and trust that there are sufficient numbers of dumb arseholes around who cannot, or refuse to see her hypocritical fraudulence.  On that matter, it seems she is right.

I guess you'd have had Lincoln resign the presidency because his emancipation proclamation was to hinder the South's capacity to wage war (by confiscating what the Southerners deemed property) and not primarily to abolish slavery.

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 5:58pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 5:54pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 5:38pm: Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 4:54pm: Why does she ask for a RC into ONLY Abo kids????? After all, she decries Abos being treated differently, singled out for any specific treatment. Get it Frank? You smacking moron! Because she's a lib, and as with any lib, hypocrisy runs through her veins. She baths in it. And dumbies like frank applaud her when she pushes the liberal party agenda, but shout her down as a lunatic if she pushes the aboriginal agenda We HAD a RC into institutional child abuse already. It did NOT cover Aboriginal kids who suffer extraordinarily more sex abuse and violence than any other demographic, AT THE HANDS OF THEIR OWN PEOPLE. It did you lying moron.  How many links do you want?

A couple.

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 6:27pm:

"rich urban raised & educated elite

As was Gough Whitlam when he introduced the Racial Discrimination Act.