Victorian Aboriginal treaty body reports 'disgraceful' letter impersonating member to police [smiley=thumbdown.gif]

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 8:52pm:

Victorian Aboriginal treaty body reports 'disgraceful' letter impersonating member to police [smiley=thumbdown.gif]

What was the lie?

Frank wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 9:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 8:52pm: Victorian Aboriginal treaty body reports 'disgraceful' letter impersonating member to police [smiley=thumbdown.gif] What was the lie?

"We are at the next phase of reacquiring land, with the
assistance and support of the Indigenous Affairs Minister
of Victoria, the Honorable Gabrielle Williams, and the Federal
Minister for Indigenous Australians the Honorable Linda Burney."

AusGeoff wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 1:56am:

Frank wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 9:03pm: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 8:52pm: Victorian Aboriginal treaty body reports 'disgraceful' letter impersonating member to police [smiley=thumbdown.gif] What was the lie? "We are at the next phase of reacquiring land, with the assistance and support of the Indigenous Affairs Minister of Victoria, the Honorable Gabrielle Williams, and the Federal Minister for Indigenous Australians the Honorable Linda Burney."

Indeed - no 'reacquiring' of it at all - just a usurpation of it in the time-honoured and now defunct Aboriginal way of claiming it and then defying all others to take it from them .... well - sadly that last happened a long time ago, and now the rules have changed and you cannot simply claim an empire...... if you want it - buy it!!  Same as everyone else....

Side note - with assistance like that who needs enemies?  This is a perfect example of the despotism of the Diktator
Dans of this world, as considered in my blurb about academic rigor mortis and tyranny of HECS and paid for tertiary education, with the power that hands to both governments and the new order in academia to impose their orthodoxy.... no lockstep orthodoxy - no degree and no social and economic capital for all your efforts.

I say again - History will absolve me - it will certainly hang those of the opposite view in effigy or wherever else it can find space for a rope..... our descendants will be looking back on the late 20th - early 21st Centuries as The Madness... which first made of the West eunuchs governed by a sheilocracy and they tried to destroy it.................... to usher in what to replace it????????

This is what you get when you have a government of Dans and other feminists, accompanied by eunuchs and excluding the real people of the majority of the electorate - who seem to be blissfully unaware of what is happening down there...

Madness - pure Madness...................

FOOTNOTE:-  Hear the crying - feel the desperation... smell the tears ....  WTF does that idiot down there imagine he is doing making treaties at state level?  Trying it on?  Jesus Christ - this country is in dire straits given the absolute failure of the 'right' and the incredible insanity of the 'left'...... only a pack of sheilas could think that way .....

All national parks etc are owned land - owned by the people as a whole and in use daily as national parks.... NOBODY has any right to even suggest they are 'unused non-private land' and just give them away etc.... for a government to do so is the vile imposition of despotism ....so where is Danny Boy going to get this 'land' to give to the Cheers down there?  Blue Sky Properties Inc?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 8:06am:

All national parks etc are owned land - owned by the people as a whole and in use daily as national parks.... NOBODY has any right to even suggest they are 'unused non-private land' and just give them away etc.... for a government to do so is the vile imposition of despotism ....so where is Danny Boy going to get this 'land' to give to the Cheers down there?  Blue Sky Properties Inc?

So its okay for the colonialist to come to Australia, drive the original occupants of the land off from their homes.  Give those lands to each other to farm and mine.   But  not okay to give some of it back. 

Pure hypocracy. 

AusGeoff wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 1:56am:

Frank wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 9:03pm: Brian Ross wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 8:52pm: Victorian Aboriginal treaty body reports 'disgraceful' letter impersonating member to police [smiley=thumbdown.gif] What was the lie? "We are at the next phase of reacquiring land, with the assistance and support of the Indigenous Affairs Minister of Victoria, the Honorable Gabrielle Williams, and the Federal Minister for Indigenous Australians the Honorable Linda Burney."

Aren't they negotiating a treaty in Victoria? Yes, they are. Is land involved? Yes.
What's the lie?


In NSW

40 THOUSAND Aboriginal land claims in NSW


The Voice is about treaty too, with a ck-sovereign Aboeiginal body created by the referendum (if successful). But Albo and the Abo Aristocracy are still lying about it, sneakily.

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 9:01am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 8:06am: All national parks etc are owned land - owned by the people as a whole and in use daily as national parks.... NOBODY has any right to even suggest they are 'unused non-private land' and just give them away etc.... for a government to do so is the vile imposition of despotism ....so where is Danny Boy going to get this 'land' to give to the Cheers down there?  Blue Sky Properties Inc? So its okay for the colonialist to come to Australia, drive the original occupants of the land off from their homes.  Give those lands to each other to farm and mine.   But  not okay to give some of it back.  Pure hypocracy.

So you will be giving your home to an Aboriginal and leaving leaving this land for ever? No, thought not. Pure hypocrisy.  ::)

Can people of partly European ancestry be members of the treaty body?

Belgarion wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 12:56pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 9:01am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 8:06am: All national parks etc are owned land - owned by the people as a whole and in use daily as national parks.... NOBODY has any right to even suggest they are 'unused non-private land' and just give them away etc.... for a government to do so is the vile imposition of despotism ....so where is Danny Boy going to get this 'land' to give to the Cheers down there?  Blue Sky Properties Inc? So its okay for the colonialist to come to Australia, drive the original occupants of the land off from their homes.  Give those lands to each other to farm and mine.   But  not okay to give some of it back.  Pure hypocracy.  So you will be giving your home to an Aboriginal and leaving leaving this land for ever? No, thought not. Pure hypocrisy.  ::)

Oh Belgarion, I am not perfect.  I am just as terrified at my home being given away as the terror that was felt when Aborigines were driven off their homes for 60 thousand years.   I do not pretend to be able to undo the entirety of that mistake, but I do believe handing back some parts of public owned lands back to its original owners.   :)

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 9:01am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 8:06am: All national parks etc are owned land - owned by the people as a whole and in use daily as national parks.... NOBODY has any right to even suggest they are 'unused non-private land' and just give them away etc.... for a government to do so is the vile imposition of despotism ....so where is Danny Boy going to get this 'land' to give to the Cheers down there?  Blue Sky Properties Inc? So its okay for the colonialist to come to Australia, drive the original occupants of the land off from their homes.  Give those lands to each other to farm and mine.   But  not okay to give some of it back.  Pure hypocracy.

No different from any old Aboriginal tribe climbing the local hill and deciding they'll take this piece of good land from the current owners and then hold on to it if they could against the next mob that came along ... ti was a never-ending trading chairs thing for them ....... white settlement is just a change in skin colour and abilities... white men could HOLD the land they acquired - and now the rules have changed and there is no possibility of claiming anything for free or by threat - only by purchase.

Under Abo rules for acquiring land - still going on today with these ENFORCED land claims - whoever could grab it and hold it kept it...

There's no giving back..... ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

You don't seriously imagine that Ngunnawulya's mob sat down around a nice fire and barbecue with the other tribes and they negotiated over who would hold which piece of land, do you?

"Oh - we want a share of the good bit where all the fish and stuff, the good water, easy hunting are..."

"Well - you can stick this spear up your arse - it's OURS - we were here first!  Unless you can drive us off - and you'd have to kill us first!"

"OK...."

Then along came a white man - and took it forever and gave the whole joint official status of one kind or another....THERE IS NO GOING BACK TO THE OLD DAYS OF ABORIGINAL IMPERIALISM BASED ON VIOLENCE AND GENOCIDE.  Now the lakes and rivers are there for ALL to fish - as an example - only your Abos want to turn it back to sole possession.

Christ, some of you city slickers are deluded ...

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 1:06pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 9:01am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 8:06am: All national parks etc are owned land - owned by the people as a whole and in use daily as national parks.... NOBODY has any right to even suggest they are 'unused non-private land' and just give them away etc.... for a government to do so is the vile imposition of despotism ....so where is Danny Boy going to get this 'land' to give to the Cheers down there?  Blue Sky Properties Inc? So its okay for the colonialist to come to Australia, drive the original occupants of the land off from their homes.  Give those lands to each other to farm and mine.   But  not okay to give some of it back.  Pure hypocracy.  No different from any old Aboriginal tribe climbing the local hill and deciding they'll take this piece of good land from the current owners and then hold on to it if they could against the next mob that came along ... ti was a never-ending trading chairs thing for them ....... white settlement is just a change in skin colour and abilities... white men could HOLD the land they acquired - and now the rules have changed and there is no possibility of claiming anything for free or by threat - only by purchase. Under Abo rules for acquiring land - still going on today with these ENFORCED land claims - whoever could grab it and hold it kept it... There's no giving back..... ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D You don't seriously imagine that Ngunnawulya's mob sat down around a nice fire and barbecue with the other tribes and they negotiated over who would hold which piece of land, do you? "Oh - we want a share of the good bit where all the fish and stuff, the good water, easy hunting are..." "Well - you can stick this spear up your arse - it's OURS - we were here first!  Unless you can drive us off - and you'd have to kill us first!" "OK...." Then along came a white man - and took it forever and gave the whole joint official status of one kind or another....THERE IS NO GOING BACK TO THE OLD DAYS OF ABORIGINAL IMPERIALISM BASED ON VIOLENCE AND GENOCIDE.  Now the lakes and rivers are there for ALL to fish - as an example - only your Abos want to turn it back to sole possession. Christ, some of you city slickers are deluded ...

;D ;D ;D. Right... the only problem with your argument is that, most aborigines are now no longer hunter and gatherers.  Some may still have the skills to live off the land, however, its not the entirety of their livelihood.   You can be assured, when the land is given, it is not to like its going to be in individualised title, like the way we own our homes.    It would be in a form of lease, from the government - the land will still remain as Australian, with lease term of 99 years signed to a particular local aborigine council.   

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 1:19pm:

;D ;D ;D. Right... the only problem with your argument is that, most aborigines are now no longer hunter and gatherers.  Some may still have the skills to live off the land, however, its not the entirety of their livelihood.   You can be assured, when the land is given, it is not to like its going to be in individualised title, like the way we own our homes.    It would be in a form of lease, from the government - the land will still remain as Australian, with lease term of 99 years signed to a particular local aborigine council.

So no longer being a HG entitles you to title to land?  I own half of Europe then.... if I can first wrest it from the inhabitants and then hold it...

All the rest about leases - that's not what ANY of them are saying.... they want it - they want it now - and they want it forever.

City slicker... you're dreaming..   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 9:01am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 8:06am: All national parks etc are owned land - owned by the people as a whole and in use daily as national parks.... NOBODY has any right to even suggest they are 'unused non-private land' and just give them away etc.... for a government to do so is the vile imposition of despotism ....so where is Danny Boy going to get this 'land' to give to the Cheers down there?  Blue Sky Properties Inc? So its okay for the colonialist to come to Australia, drive the original occupants of the land off from their homes.  Give those lands to each other to farm and mine.   But  not okay to give some of it back.  Pure hypocracy.

Hypocrisy is crapplers default setting

John Smith wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 1:41pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 9:01am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 8:06am: All national parks etc are owned land - owned by the people as a whole and in use daily as national parks.... NOBODY has any right to even suggest they are 'unused non-private land' and just give them away etc.... for a government to do so is the vile imposition of despotism ....so where is Danny Boy going to get this 'land' to give to the Cheers down there?  Blue Sky Properties Inc? So its okay for the colonialist to come to Australia, drive the original occupants of the land off from their homes.  Give those lands to each other to farm and mine.   But  not okay to give some of it back.  Pure hypocracy.  Hypocrisy is crapplers default setting

**triggered** go cry in the corner.....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 1:45pm:

**triggered**

You certainly have been ... post after post of you talking to yourself

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 1:39pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 1:19pm: ;D ;D ;D. Right... the only problem with your argument is that, most aborigines are now no longer hunter and gatherers.  Some may still have the skills to live off the land, however, its not the entirety of their livelihood.   You can be assured, when the land is given, it is not to like its going to be in individualised title, like the way we own our homes.    It would be in a form of lease, from the government - the land will still remain as Australian, with lease term of 99 years signed to a particular local aborigine council.    So no longer being a HG entitles you to title to land?  I own half of Europe then.... if I can first wrest it from the inhabitants and then hold it... All the rest about leases - that's not what ANY of them are saying.... they want it - they want it now - and they want it forever. City slicker... you're dreaming..   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

You are so greedy!   :D :D :D. You are already living in Australia, land taken away from the aborigines.  Its mineral wealth funds part of your health care, transportation, and education.  And you want more?  MORE?   :D :D :D

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 1:39pm:

I own half of Europe then.... if I can first wrest it from the inhabitants and then hold it..

no one is wresting any land away from its current owners ::)

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 1:02pm:

Belgarion wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 12:56pm: tickleandrose wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 9:01am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 8:06am: All national parks etc are owned land - owned by the people as a whole and in use daily as national parks.... NOBODY has any right to even suggest they are 'unused non-private land' and just give them away etc.... for a government to do so is the vile imposition of despotism ....so where is Danny Boy going to get this 'land' to give to the Cheers down there?  Blue Sky Properties Inc? So its okay for the colonialist to come to Australia, drive the original occupants of the land off from their homes.  Give those lands to each other to farm and mine.   But  not okay to give some of it back.  Pure hypocracy.  So you will be giving your home to an Aboriginal and leaving leaving this land for ever? No, thought not. Pure hypocrisy.  ::) Oh Belgarion, I am not perfect.  I am just as terrified at my home being given away as the terror that was felt when Aborigines were driven off their homes for 60 thousand years.   I do not pretend to be able to undo the entirety of that mistake, but I do believe handing back some parts of public owned lands back to its original owners.   :)

By this logic I should be able to claim the land taken from my ancestors by the Danes, The Angles, the Saxons and the Romans?  I imagine my ancestors felt terror then which certainly entitles me to compensation now.

Belgarion wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 4:58pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 1:02pm: Belgarion wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 12:56pm: tickleandrose wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 9:01am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 8:06am: All national parks etc are owned land - owned by the people as a whole and in use daily as national parks.... NOBODY has any right to even suggest they are 'unused non-private land' and just give them away etc.... for a government to do so is the vile imposition of despotism ....so where is Danny Boy going to get this 'land' to give to the Cheers down there?  Blue Sky Properties Inc? So its okay for the colonialist to come to Australia, drive the original occupants of the land off from their homes.  Give those lands to each other to farm and mine.   But  not okay to give some of it back.  Pure hypocracy.  So you will be giving your home to an Aboriginal and leaving leaving this land for ever? No, thought not. Pure hypocrisy.  ::) Oh Belgarion, I am not perfect.  I am just as terrified at my home being given away as the terror that was felt when Aborigines were driven off their homes for 60 thousand years.   I do not pretend to be able to undo the entirety of that mistake, but I do believe handing back some parts of public owned lands back to its original owners.   :) By this logic I should be able to claim the land taken from my ancestors by the Danes, The Angles, the Saxons and the Romans?  I imagine my ancestors felt terror then which certainly entitles me to compensation now.

So... if you are not Danish, the anglos, saxons or Romans, ... are you native Irish or Scottish?   :)

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 9:01am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 8:06am: All national parks etc are owned land - owned by the people as a whole and in use daily as national parks.... NOBODY has any right to even suggest they are 'unused non-private land' and just give them away etc.... for a government to do so is the vile imposition of despotism ....so where is Danny Boy going to get this 'land' to give to the Cheers down there?  Blue Sky Properties Inc? So its okay for the colonialist to come to Australia, drive the original occupants of the land off from their homes.  Give those lands to each other to farm and mine.   But  not okay to give some of it back.  Pure hypocracy.

Not at all.

Quite a lot of it has been given back. And a lot of other benefits of the colonists have also been shared freely with Aborigines. 

Frank wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 10:48am:

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 9:01am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 8:06am: All national parks etc are owned land - owned by the people as a whole and in use daily as national parks.... NOBODY has any right to even suggest they are 'unused non-private land' and just give them away etc.... for a government to do so is the vile imposition of despotism ....so where is Danny Boy going to get this 'land' to give to the Cheers down there?  Blue Sky Properties Inc? So its okay for the colonialist to come to Australia, drive the original occupants of the land off from their homes.  Give those lands to each other to farm and mine.   But  not okay to give some of it back.  Pure hypocracy.  Not at all. Quite a lot of it has been given back. And a lot of other benefits of the colonists have also been shared freely with Aborigines.

Nothing was given back, and never will.  See my other posts about what is really native title.   And to benefits from the government, well most of them goes to middle man, very little gets filtered down to the people.

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 11:03am:

Frank wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 10:48am: tickleandrose wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 9:01am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 8:06am: All national parks etc are owned land - owned by the people as a whole and in use daily as national parks.... NOBODY has any right to even suggest they are 'unused non-private land' and just give them away etc.... for a government to do so is the vile imposition of despotism ....so where is Danny Boy going to get this 'land' to give to the Cheers down there?  Blue Sky Properties Inc? So its okay for the colonialist to come to Australia, drive the original occupants of the land off from their homes.  Give those lands to each other to farm and mine.   But  not okay to give some of it back.  Pure hypocracy.  Not at all. Quite a lot of it has been given back. And a lot of other benefits of the colonists have also been shared freely with Aborigines.  Nothing was given back, and never will.  See my other posts about what is really native title.   And to benefits from the government, well most of them goes to middle man, very little gets filtered down to the people.

A couple of things:

The middlemen are Aborigines. That they diddle their rival clansmen is what they have been doing for ever. They can continue to do so because they are indulged by not being subjected to the same regimes of accountability and responsibility as other Australians.

The Aborigines had no land ownership, as you point out, so native title comes, within the Australian legal system, closest to what they had before it. They cannot simultaneously reject the Australian legal system and demand that it pays them compensation in purely non-Aboriginal but Australian legal terms (ie financial compo). They cannot saddle two incompatible legal systems. They can cultivate their stories and belieft but even a lot of that is totally unsustainable, like their beliefs in magic, witchcraft or that they all spring from the earth and a load of other superstitions and hooey.

The Stone Age and with it tribal Aboriginal life are over, gone, never to be revived.