Always good to see both sides.
Take the Ukraine Azov Battalion - committing atrocities against citizens (on film) and Zelensky denying it and more.
Yes - the Ukrainians are just as psychotic and savage as anything the Democrat-Media says about Russians.
Point: Russian people of the Crimea and other parts of Ukraine, held more than one Referendum to become Russia.

Does 'immigrational' peoples have a right?
Would the Chinese majority of Sydney have the right to declare Sydney as CCP?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noee78gkxgw

34 mins - the USA is running LOW on ammunitions.

Democrats compromising USA defence for Ukraine.
Tsk, Tsk eh Brian?

Jasin wrote on Oct 4^th, 2023 at 5:25pm:

34 mins - the USA is running LOW on ammunitions. Democrats compromising USA defence for Ukraine. Tsk, Tsk eh Brian?

Since WW2, US military doctrine has been to be able to fight two major wars at the same time. If any country understands logistics, it is the USA. So I do not believe this accounting.

issuevoter wrote on Oct 5^th, 2023 at 12:54pm:

Jasin wrote on Oct 4th, 2023 at 5:25pm: 34 mins - the USA is running LOW on ammunitions. Democrats compromising USA defence for Ukraine. Tsk, Tsk eh Brian? Since WW2, US military doctrine has been to be able to fight two major wars at the same time. If any country understands logistics, it is the USA. So I do not believe this accounting.

I would normally say you are right in that.
...but with the incompetent Democrats in power. Well... ::)

Jasin wrote on Oct 5^th, 2023 at 1:00pm:

issuevoter wrote on Oct 5th, 2023 at 12:54pm: Jasin wrote on Oct 4th, 2023 at 5:25pm: 34 mins - the USA is running LOW on ammunitions. Democrats compromising USA defence for Ukraine. Tsk, Tsk eh Brian? Since WW2, US military doctrine has been to be able to fight two major wars at the same time. If any country understands logistics, it is the USA. So I do not believe this accounting. I would normally say you are right in that. ...but with the incompetent Democrats in power. Well... ::)

Perhaps, but also the Republican Party has been staunchly anti-communist while opposing the military strength of the Russian/Chinese/NK dictatorships. They have fought two wars against them, but now, when it gets hot again, they want to back out, dump Europe just when they are paying up bigtime for what is essentially a NATO armament program. Remember when under Trump they bitched and whined about Europe not paying enough? Why the change of tune? For no other reason than the fact that they have a Democrat in the White House. Thankfully, the US military see right through the Repubs and remember who the real enemy is.

issuevoter wrote on Oct 5^th, 2023 at 4:51pm:

Jasin wrote on Oct 5th, 2023 at 1:00pm: issuevoter wrote on Oct 5th, 2023 at 12:54pm: Jasin wrote on Oct 4th, 2023 at 5:25pm: 34 mins - the USA is running LOW on ammunitions. Democrats compromising USA defence for Ukraine. Tsk, Tsk eh Brian? Since WW2, US military doctrine has been to be able to fight two major wars at the same time. If any country understands logistics, it is the USA. So I do not believe this accounting. I would normally say you are right in that. ...but with the incompetent Democrats in power. Well... ::) Perhaps, but also the Republican Party has been staunchly anti-communist while opposing the military strength of the Russian/Chinese/NK dictatorships. They have fought two wars against them, but now, when it gets hot again, they want to back out, dump Europe just when they are paying up bigtime for what is essentially a NATO armament program. Remember when under Trump they bitched and whined about Europe not paying enough? Why the change of tune? For no other reason than the fact that they have a Democrat in the White House. Thankfully, the US military see right through the Repubs and remember who the real enemy is.

you missed 2 words after military

those bieng  "industrial complex"

Again you are mostly right Issue.
But the Republicans under Trump endorsed a passive Military approach to China, but aggressive Trade/Economic stance.
Military wise, China welcomed its new 'friend' in America. Trump was playing wise cards which if America was 'friend', then who was 'foe' to China? The answer was pointing to ex-USSR Russia and Putin was indeed very worried and it showed when China put on its biggest ever welcome for a USA President in Trump. Not so for Biden in any way.

Wouldn't you think it wise to have two bad guys (China & Russia) cancel each other out with War, rather than try to engage with both in alliance??

The only way China and USA will conflict is if North Korea brings USA into it. Which it most likely will. But the fact is that the Democrats have 'scuttled' the USA economy for reasons probably to just try to spite everything that Trump stood for.

Even if Trump returned to Presidency - he is now stuck with a pretty stuffed up situation and America just can't afford to be involved in costly overseas dramas, nor should it - it is not the United Nations and it isn't Europe. It's not as 'all powerful' as people think. Hell, its one of the most in-debt nations on the planet. Real 4th world Economics and its not just because of its relic 'imperial' system used.

China has much to gain in conflict with Russia more than any other nation. Karma is a b*itch. China has already stolen some islands off Russia this year and Putin can do nothing about it, let alone fears to do anything about it and China knows it.

Hang on a minute.

You and Aqua are blathering away about your pet hate of the Democrats, and completely ignoring the fact the the USA, under Republican rhetoric has demonised Russia/China/NK since the days of McCarthy anti-American activities committee. That's about 75 years. What the f@#$ were they whinging about? Russia is the enemy. The Republicans need to wake up. A defeat of Ukraine will be a disaster for the world.

So what did Trump stand for? He ruled by Presidential decree as if he was Putin or Kim, and he did not close the border. Don't lie to me that he was restricted. The only Muzlums he kept out of the US were the poorest. Saud, the origin of 911 waltzed in like they had nothing to do with it. And you people fall for Trump's bullsh#!

issuevoter wrote on Oct 5^th, 2023 at 6:53pm:

So what did Trump stand for? He ruled by Presidential decree as if he was Putin or Kim!

Or Roosevelt.

its pretty simple issue

40 yrs ago, the democrats  stood for the people (the joe lunch boxes) and the republicans stood for business (the corporations).


now the corporations ( the biggest 5 companies in the world are apple, amazon, google, meta and microsoft)

these corporations employ very very very few "joe lunchboxes"

and they are uber woke.

so the corporations now back the democrats and the working man (the welder from arkansas)  is probably a MAGA voter.

its a complete reversal of the previous order.

the intelligence community arent party affiliated

they are affiliated to their own power.

they
backed google and face book and microsoft and not only provided seed funding but provided ongoing protection of monopolies in return for access to surveillance

they are no different from the chinese intelligence apparatus and its relationship with huwei and tik tok (why would they be any different ?)


so the intelligence community and the  big corps are now pretty much aligned with the democrats and the republicans are pretty much on the nose with these 2 centres of power.

i would argue the woke agenda and the cognitively impaired president suit the purposes of this alliance


the ukraine is a totally backed by the leftie intellectuals.

go on twitter , they all have the ukranian flag in their bio

this is odd for a left which used to protest the vietnam war.


but the intelligence community just want to run poo with no  interference


trumps policies are nt so much the problem as his big big mouth

they just dont want him saying too much that would rock the cosy deal that is going for the big tech companies (incredibly powerful) and the cia fbi (incredibly powerful). 

he is a loose cannon (not unlike assange) and its no coincidence assnage was deplatformed and then some weird rape allegations from years back came to light ( i think it was some old girlfriend who said he didnt wear a condon one time ::))

sounds like we can see who holds the real power  ::) ::)

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 5^th, 2023 at 7:01pm:

issuevoter wrote on Oct 5th, 2023 at 6:53pm: So what did Trump stand for? He ruled by Presidential decree as if he was Putin or Kim! Or Roosevelt.

I apologise for the grammar.

aquascoot wrote on Oct 5^th, 2023 at 8:12pm:

the intelligence community arent party affiliated so the intelligence community and the  big corps are now pretty much aligned with the democrats

sorry about aquascoot's logic

chimera wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 3:21am:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 5th, 2023 at 8:12pm: the intelligence community arent party affiliated so the intelligence community and the  big corps are now pretty much aligned with the democrats sorry about aquascoot's logic

exactly, when kennedy was in they were aligned with the republicans
now they are aligned with the democrats

if you had half a brain , youd be dangerous  ;D ;D

align: give support to (a person, organization, or cause).
affilate: (of a subsidiary group or a person) officially attached or connected to an organization. 

CIA or corp support can only exist by official policy. A corporation is numerous bodies becoming one body which needs a 'head' to make the officer's policy, in the variable present.  You then need evidence that it happened as you claim.

Well I would say operation Northwood
The bay of pigs
Iran contra
Kennedy assassinations
Operation MK ultra
Jay Edgar Hoover keeping dirt files on everybody he came across
The gulf of Tonkin false flag initiative for the Vietnam war
Weapons of mass destruction lies
The Benghazi incident
The ties to Jeffrey Epstein
And the raids on President trump's residence


All indicate that the CIA and FBI sort of have their own agendas separate from politics

What are your thoughts brain dead numpty

aquascoot wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 8:36am:

agendas separate from politics

How can a brain dead numpty possibly have thoughts?
Those agendas are politics.
An agenda of a corporation is a conscious policy, here obviously in relation to the US political landscape and which you have already asserted.
Logic is a worry. Which towns do you drive a car in and what model?

This kind of bogus moral equivelency is just what the sensitive compassionate new-age Left tried to use to exonerate Islam for all its atrocities.

issuevoter wrote on Oct 5^th, 2023 at 8:13pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 5th, 2023 at 7:01pm: issuevoter wrote on Oct 5th, 2023 at 6:53pm: So what did Trump stand for? He ruled by Presidential decree as if he was Putin or Kim! Or Roosevelt. I apologise for the grammar.

FDR ruled by decree... until the US Supreme Court put a stop to it.

aquascoot wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 8:36am:

All indicate that the CIA and FBI sort of have their own agendas separate from politics

Northwood was a Defense proposal rejected by JFK.
Bay of Pigs was approved by Eisenhower (Rep) and JFK (Dem). Iran Contra was by Reagan's NSC.
MK Ultra was exposed by Gerald Ford (Rep).
The Gulf of Tonkin was bad Naval reporting of radar to NSC of President Johnson.

This was CIA for the Republicans you say? And Reps support giving Top Secrets to China, which Biden wrongly opposes?
Black is white, hey..

You could say this is just Ukrainian propaganda, but it's logical. What was Putin thinking when he promised hardened criminals a free pardon? Wars never end up the way the instigators hoped. They are revolutionary for either or both sides. Putin has wrecked the economy, enlarged NATO, shown up the Russian military for clumsy oafes, and created big social problems for his new empire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZrgUjtckYk

War crimes again?
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/lidice

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67025706

Quote:

Both sides of the Ukraine-Russo War

In this case there are no both sides.

despicable invasions killing tens of thousands of people have no justification.

Jasin wrote on Oct 4^th, 2023 at 4:54pm:

Always good to see both sides. Take the Ukraine Azov Battalion - committing atrocities against citizens (on film) Yes - the Ukrainians are just as psychotic and savage as anything the Democrat-Media says about Russians.

There are 44 million Azov?