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Message started by Bobby. on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:22pm

Title: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by Bobby. on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:22pm
Don't hail a taxi in Victoria:

https://www.9news.com.au/national/nazi-salute-set-to-be-banned-in-victoria/0f5431b2-4c47-4839-b97a-2c6f5526e6dc

The bill, which would make it illegal to publicly display or perform a Nazi salute,
was passed by the state's upper house overnight.
Anyone caught breaking the rules will face penalties
of more than $23,000, 12 months imprisonment or both.

Exceptions will apply if the performance or display of a Nazi symbol
or gesture is done in good faith for a genuine academic, artistic, educational or scientific purpose.


Hailing a taxi in America:


Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:24pm

That's New York, Bobby.


Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by Bobby. on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:25pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:24pm:
That's New York, Bobby.



yes - it's legal in New York.

Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:28pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:24pm:
That's New York, Bobby.



yes - it's legal in New York.


Hailing a taxi is legal in Victoria too.


Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by Bobby. on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:36pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:24pm:
That's New York, Bobby.



yes - it's legal in New York.


Hailing a taxi is legal in Victoria too.



Not anymore - the cops might think it's a Nazi salute.



Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:38pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:24pm:
That's New York, Bobby.



yes - it's legal in New York.


Hailing a taxi is legal in Victoria too.



Not anymore - the cops might think it's a Nazi salute.


I've seen nothing anywhere that says it's illegal to hail a taxi in Victoria.


Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by Bobby. on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:39pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:24pm:
That's New York, Bobby.



yes - it's legal in New York.


Hailing a taxi is legal in Victoria too.



Not anymore - the cops might think it's a Nazi salute.


I've seen nothing anywhere that says it's illegal to hail a taxi in Victoria.



OK - what's the difference between a Nazi salute and hailing a taxi?

Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:58pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:24pm:
That's New York, Bobby.



yes - it's legal in New York.


Hailing a taxi is legal in Victoria too.



Not anymore - the cops might think it's a Nazi salute.


I've seen nothing anywhere that says it's illegal to hail a taxi in Victoria.



OK - what's the difference between a Nazi salute and hailing a taxi?


About 6,000,000 Jews.


Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by John Smith on Oct 18th, 2023 at 5:15pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:24pm:
That's New York, Bobby.



yes - it's legal in New York.


Hailing a taxi is legal in Victoria too.



Not anymore - the cops might think it's a Nazi salute.



unlike you, at least they are thinking

Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 18th, 2023 at 5:40pm

John Smith wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 5:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:24pm:
That's New York, Bobby.



yes - it's legal in New York.


Hailing a taxi is legal in Victoria too.



Not anymore - the cops might think it's a Nazi salute.



unlike you, at least they are thinking


Indeed.

And what the cops think is not the law - it's just their interpretation.

There is no law forbidding Victorians from hailing a taxi, but there is nothing stopping an idiot from misinterpreting any particular law and then mistakenly believing there is.

Bobby has demonstrated that perfectly.


Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by Bobby. on Oct 18th, 2023 at 5:58pm
It will interesting to see all those people who needed a taxi sent to jail.

Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 18th, 2023 at 6:34pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 5:58pm:
It will interesting to see all those people who needed a taxi sent to jail.


Why would they need a taxi sent to jail?   :-/



Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by Bobby. on Oct 18th, 2023 at 6:48pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 6:34pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 5:58pm:
It will interesting to see all those people who needed a taxi sent to jail.


Why would they need a taxi sent to jail?   :-/



They hail a taxi to go home and then go to jail instead.

Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 18th, 2023 at 6:56pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 6:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 6:34pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 5:58pm:
It will interesting to see all those people who needed a taxi sent to jail.


Why would they need a taxi sent to jail?   :-/



They hail a taxi to go home and then go to jail instead.


You said they "needed a taxi sent to jail."

What did the taxi do wrong?

Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by Bobby. on Oct 18th, 2023 at 7:00pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 6:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 6:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 6:34pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 5:58pm:
It will interesting to see all those people who needed a taxi sent to jail.


Why would they need a taxi sent to jail?   :-/



They hail a taxi to go home and then go to jail instead.


You said they "needed a taxi sent to jail."

What did the taxi do wrong?



Greggy,
stop being a silly Billy.   ;D

Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by chimera on Oct 18th, 2023 at 7:29pm
how does a nazi hail a taxi? Sieg?

Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by JaSin of Ur on Oct 18th, 2023 at 8:10pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:22pm:
Don't hail a taxi in Victoria:

https://www.9news.com.au/national/nazi-salute-set-to-be-banned-in-victoria/0f5431b2-4c47-4839-b97a-2c6f5526e6dc

The bill, which would make it illegal to publicly display or perform a Nazi salute,
was passed by the state's upper house overnight.
Anyone caught breaking the rules will face penalties
of more than $23,000, 12 months imprisonment or both.

Exceptions will apply if the performance or display of a Nazi symbol
or gesture is done in good faith for a genuine academic, artistic, educational or scientific purpose.


Hailing a taxi in America:


HAIL CAESAR! HAIL!

Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by JaSin of Ur on Oct 18th, 2023 at 8:11pm

chimera wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 7:29pm:
how does a nazi hail a taxi? Sieg?

Well considering Blonde Aryan Males get more pussy in Europe than Black African males, it's hard to say - no?

Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 18th, 2023 at 8:11pm

chimera wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 7:29pm:
how does a nazi hail a taxi? Sieg?


They'd hail an Über.


Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by chimera on Oct 18th, 2023 at 8:34pm
Deutschland über Alles

Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by philperth2010 on Oct 20th, 2023 at 11:49am

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:22pm:
Don't hail a taxi in Victoria:

https://www.9news.com.au/national/nazi-salute-set-to-be-banned-in-victoria/0f5431b2-4c47-4839-b97a-2c6f5526e6dc

The bill, which would make it illegal to publicly display or perform a Nazi salute,
was passed by the state's upper house overnight.
Anyone caught breaking the rules will face penalties
of more than $23,000, 12 months imprisonment or both.

Exceptions will apply if the performance or display of a Nazi symbol
or gesture is done in good faith for a genuine academic, artistic, educational or scientific purpose.


Hailing a taxi in America:



The Nazi salute is performed by raising the right arm Bobby....The bloke in the picture is hailing a taxi....Glad to clear this up for you!!!

::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by Bobby. on Oct 20th, 2023 at 11:51am

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 20th, 2023 at 11:49am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 4:22pm:
Don't hail a taxi in Victoria:

https://www.9news.com.au/national/nazi-salute-set-to-be-banned-in-victoria/0f5431b2-4c47-4839-b97a-2c6f5526e6dc

The bill, which would make it illegal to publicly display or perform a Nazi salute,
was passed by the state's upper house overnight.
Anyone caught breaking the rules will face penalties
of more than $23,000, 12 months imprisonment or both.

Exceptions will apply if the performance or display of a Nazi symbol
or gesture is done in good faith for a genuine academic, artistic, educational or scientific purpose.


Hailing a taxi in America:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/14/article-2247847-16818B68000005DC-871_634x544.jpg]


The Nazi salute is performed by raising the right arm Bobby....The bloke in the picture is hailing a taxi....Glad to clear this up for you!!!

::) ::) ::)



What if you hail the taxi with your right arm?


Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by chimera on Oct 20th, 2023 at 1:58pm
That's right wing.

Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by UnSubRocky on Oct 20th, 2023 at 2:29pm
Imagine asking a question in class and getting reprimanded for raising your hand. I believe the legislation is for those that are doing obvious Nazi salutes.

Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by JaSin of Ur on Oct 20th, 2023 at 2:38pm
The Nazi salute is a 'Hail Caesar' salute.
And where does that salute originate from? ;)

Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by AusGeoff on Oct 20th, 2023 at 3:29pm


As far as I can tell, the Nazi salute involves a locked
elbow and closed fingers.  The bloke in the pic has
neither as he hails a taxi.


Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by chimera on Oct 20th, 2023 at 3:47pm

Jasin wrote on Oct 20th, 2023 at 2:38pm:
The Nazi salute is a 'Hail Caesar' salute.
And where does that salute originate from? ;)

Ancient Romans who didn't feel like walking through the muck of the city streets could hire a sedan chair which was carried by two or more nazis. Caesar's chair was carried by stormtroopers who kept returning the 'hail Caesar' public salutes so Caeser had to stop them.

Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by Super Nova on Oct 20th, 2023 at 10:38pm
Bobby you OP is a major stretch of your overactive imagination.

"The salute was executed by extending the right arm stiff to an upward 45° angle and then straightening the hand so that it is parallel to the arm. Usually, an utterance of "Sieg Heil", "Heil Hitler!", or "Heil!" accompanied the gesture."

So you better make sure you do your taxi hail at 50 degrees if you are worried.

Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by JaSin of Ur on Oct 20th, 2023 at 10:47pm
Just say "Hail Caesar!" and you're off the hook.  ;D

Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by Super Nova on Oct 20th, 2023 at 11:30pm

Jasin wrote on Oct 20th, 2023 at 10:47pm:
Just say "Hail Caesar!" and you're off the hook.  ;D


"Hail Taxi"

Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by Bobby. on Oct 21st, 2023 at 6:05am

Arrest her:



Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by chimera on Oct 21st, 2023 at 6:16am

Jasin wrote on Oct 20th, 2023 at 10:47pm:
"Hail Caesar!"

Poor girl has birth complications and needs hospital fast.

Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by JaSin of Ur on Oct 21st, 2023 at 1:22pm
What about that ANTI-WHITE fist pump that the African-Americans do?

Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by chimera on Oct 21st, 2023 at 4:29pm
Taxi revs up and leaves fast. The fist, the nazi salute, two fingers or the thumb sign are not harmful. It's a bit infantile to ban any of them, or sticking the tongue out or saying der. In fact they can be useful in communicating information about the persons.

Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by Bobby. on Oct 22nd, 2023 at 10:40am

Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by chimera on Oct 22nd, 2023 at 11:13am
It could be tricky for tennis players serving.
A boxing champ who wins a fight.
Jews waving farewell to relatives on trip to Israel.

Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by tickleandrose on Oct 24th, 2023 at 9:58pm
I dont think we have anything to worry about. 

Here is the Summary Offences (Nazi Salute Prohibition) Bill 2023

1 Purpose
The purpose of this Act is to amend the Summary
Offences Act 1966—
(a) to make the public display or performance of
5 Nazi gestures an offence; and
(b) to extend the application of the offence of
public display of Nazi symbols

(1) In section 41J of the Principal Act insert the
following definitions—
25 "Nazi gesture means—
(a) a Nazi salute; or
(b) any other gesture used by the Nazi
Party; or
(c) a gesture that so nearly resembles a
30 gesture referred to in paragraph (a)
or (b) that it is likely to be confused
with or mistaken for that gesture;

First of all, hailing a taxi is not a nazi salute.  If may look like a nazi salute, BUT, the purpose of making that gesture is not for purpose of Nazi salute, and its very difficult in a court of law, in absence of any other evidence, to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the intent is other than hailing a taxi. 

What will happen is that the case gets thrown out of the court.   :)




Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by Bobby. on Oct 24th, 2023 at 10:01pm

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 24th, 2023 at 9:58pm:
I dont think we have anything to worry about. 

Here is the Summary Offences (Nazi Salute Prohibition) Bill 2023

1 Purpose
The purpose of this Act is to amend the Summary
Offences Act 1966—
(a) to make the public display or performance of
5 Nazi gestures an offence; and
(b) to extend the application of the offence of
public display of Nazi symbols

(1) In section 41J of the Principal Act insert the
following definitions—
25 "Nazi gesture means—
(a) a Nazi salute; or
(b) any other gesture used by the Nazi
Party; or
(c) a gesture that so nearly resembles a
30 gesture referred to in paragraph (a)
or (b) that it is likely to be confused
with or mistaken for that gesture;

First of all, hailing a taxi is not a nazi salute.  If may look like a nazi salute, BUT, the purpose of making that gesture is not for purpose of Nazi salute, and its very difficult in a court of law, in absence of any other evidence, to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the intent is other than hailing a taxi. 

What will happen is that the case gets thrown out of the court.   :)



They would arrest her anyway - that's how cops act.

Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by Super Nova on Oct 25th, 2023 at 12:05am

Bobby. wrote on Oct 24th, 2023 at 10:01pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 24th, 2023 at 9:58pm:
I dont think we have anything to worry about. 

Here is the Summary Offences (Nazi Salute Prohibition) Bill 2023

1 Purpose
The purpose of this Act is to amend the Summary
Offences Act 1966—
(a) to make the public display or performance of
5 Nazi gestures an offence; and
(b) to extend the application of the offence of
public display of Nazi symbols

(1) In section 41J of the Principal Act insert the
following definitions—
25 "Nazi gesture means—
(a) a Nazi salute; or
(b) any other gesture used by the Nazi
Party; or
(c) a gesture that so nearly resembles a
30 gesture referred to in paragraph (a)
or (b) that it is likely to be confused
with or mistaken for that gesture;

First of all, hailing a taxi is not a nazi salute.  If may look like a nazi salute, BUT, the purpose of making that gesture is not for purpose of Nazi salute, and its very difficult in a court of law, in absence of any other evidence, to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the intent is other than hailing a taxi. 

What will happen is that the case gets thrown out of the court.   :)



They would arrest her anyway - that's how cops act.


Do you know any cops?

They do not act this way. They are not mindless automatrons. If they have reasonable cause to believe a crime is committed, they will act.

Hailing (not heiling) a taxi, will never be seen in the mind of a cop as reasonable cause to believe a hate crime has been committed.

Bobby, do you really think so little of the police?
Have you had dealings with them to have such a poor opinion? (they are not like the highway patrol)

Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by Bobby. on Oct 25th, 2023 at 4:58am

Super Nova wrote on Oct 25th, 2023 at 12:05am:
Do you know any cops?

They do not act this way. They are not mindless automatrons. If they have reasonable cause to believe a crime is committed, they will act.

Hailing (not heiling) a taxi, will never be seen in the mind of a cop as reasonable cause to believe a hate crime has been committed.

Bobby, do you really think so little of the police?
Have you had dealings with them to have such a poor opinion? (they are not like the highway patrol)



Thou hath not followed the Covid cop experience here in Victoria.

forgiven
namaste

Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by chimera on Oct 25th, 2023 at 5:56am
The only excuses are : academic, artistic,
educational or scientific purpose; cultural or religious (Hindu, Jain).
Sports people, taxi riders, airport farewells, bird spotters, kitchen shelf users and arm stretchers after sleeping are all suspects.

In the US people are convicted of public exposure when they stand at the window of their home in view of others.

Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by tickleandrose on Oct 25th, 2023 at 4:46pm

chimera wrote on Oct 25th, 2023 at 5:56am:
The only excuses are : academic, artistic,
educational or scientific purpose; cultural or religious (Hindu, Jain).
Sports people, taxi riders, airport farewells, bird spotters, kitchen shelf users and arm stretchers after sleeping are all suspects.

In the US people are convicted of public exposure when they stand at the window of their home in view of others.


Then its not problem of the law... its the problem of the law enforcer. 

Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by chimera on Oct 25th, 2023 at 5:41pm
No probs for cops. They have the power to grab nearly everyone in sight who raises their right arm. In pubs, cricket, votes in town halls, at Woolies shelves, high lockers in Police Stations, footie goal-kickers, judges who reach from the bench to the clerk. .. jails will be packed to the roof with mates to wave them off.....

Title: Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Post by Bobby. on Nov 8th, 2024 at 10:52pm
https://www.noticer.news/australian-sentenced-to-one-month-jail-for-hand-gesture/



Australian nationalist given one-month jail sentence for hand gesture.


November 8, 2024

The Noticer

Prominent Australian nationalist Jacob Hersant has been given a one-month jail sentence for performing a political salute.

Mr Hersant, 25, the leader of right-wing activist group the National Socialist Network, was released on appeal bail 45 minutes after being ordered into custody in the Melbourne Magistrates Court on Friday.

Magistrate Brett Sonnet last month found Mr Hersant guilty of performing the salute outside the Victorian County Court in October 2023 after he and European Australian Movement leader Thomas Sewell, who supported Mr Hersant in court on Friday, were sentenced over a clash with far-left provocateurs during a camping weekend.

He is the first Victorian to be found guilty and sentenced to prison under the state’s then-six-day-old Nazi salute ban, which was brought in following consultation with the Jewish community, Holocaust survivors, Victoria Police, and the Ethnic Community Council of Victoria.

Mr Hersant’s lawyer Timothy Smartt argued against a prison term, mentioning a number of NSW cases where people found guilty of doing the salute were fined, and reading a list of violent offences were only a minority of those convicted were jailed, and saying Mr Hersant was exercising freedom of speech.

He said he and his client would be appealing the sentence and the conviction in the County Court.





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