Has anyone else come across this before? Where does it come from?


freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2023 at 6:19pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 30th, 2023 at 8:42pm: Karnal wrote on Oct 30th, 2023 at 5:34pm: freediver wrote on Oct 30th, 2023 at 5:11pm: Karnal wrote on Oct 30th, 2023 at 4:46pm: freediver wrote on Oct 30th, 2023 at 4:44pm: Karnal wrote on Oct 30th, 2023 at 4:35pm: freediver wrote on Oct 30th, 2023 at 4:24pm: Karnal wrote on Oct 30th, 2023 at 4:22pm: freediver wrote on Oct 30th, 2023 at 1:43pm: Karnal wrote on Oct 30th, 2023 at 1:32pm: Egypt and Israel have already agreed on securing the Sinai Desert, dear. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt%E2%80%93Israel_peace_treaty Of course Egypt doesn't want two and a half million people added to its population. Gazans have a home in Gaza. All those buildings currently being bombed have people called owners and tenants. Their occupants are people known as citizens - of Israel. People are also known as humans - with human rights under the UNDHR. Israel is a signatory to this declaration. It is illegal under international treaty law to exile or extricate citizens from its national borders. Allah Uakbar, no? Sorry - Halle-lujah (G_d is great). Not by Israel. Or Gazans I expect. It's a bit hypocritical to insist they are citizens of Israel then complain about Israel "occupying" their land. Is it? No worries. We'll do this one as a multiple choice, shall we? Gaza is listed as a territory of which nation state? a) Israel b) Egypt c) Palestine d) Islam Answer correctly and the old boy will give you a banana. You can make up whatever list you want Karnal. It doesn't change the reality. Oh, I see. So the only agreed border Israel has - with Egypt - doesn't count. Cunning. All that is solid melts into air, no? Yes, Master.. Were you unaware of a border between Israel and the Gaza strip? I was. Israel erected it. You? So if there is a recognised border, and neither the Israelis nor the Gazans see the residents of Gaza as citizens of Israel, why do idiots keep insisting that they are? Is it yet another trick to make non-Muslims responsible for the actions of Muslims? Hard to say, FD. Are you saying Gazans are not citizens of Israel? I'm sorry, dear, you'll really need to back that one up. It'll help clear up all those fake Israeli passports in circulation, not to mention the problems they're having in the occupied territories with voter turnout. https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2022/10/31/elections-7 Do you have a link to that? I say you are confused, as ever. There are plenty of Arab/Muslim/Palestinian citizens of Israel. They live in Israel. Not in the Gaza strip. I have been hearing this idiocy from various anti semitic groups for about 20 years now - that Israel is responsible for the residents of the Gaza strip and the west bank because they are citizens of Israel. Was it always just confusion over the fact that there are plenty of local Muslims living in Israel as citizens who enjoy more rights and freedoms than Muslims in any other middle eastern country?

It's paki nonsense. Just as the Gazans were not Egyptian citizens and WB Arabs were not Jordanian citizens before 1967, they are not now Israeli citizens, with some exceptions based on recognised family ties actual Israeli citizens inside Israel.

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 7:29am:

Re Freediver My senario was to question what happens if Israel were to be established in Australia, under the Kimberly plan.  If any critism exist, it is towards the government, not the actual people.   I believe, that in any conflict, it is the politicians who benefits while the people suffers.   As I mentioned before, Israel cannot be considered a liberal democracy.   On Israel land, including the occupied territory, there are 7.3 million Jewish people, and 7.5 million palestinians.  Those 7.5 million Palestinians have no right, and are living in squalors.  That is not actions of a liberal democracy.  An UN report prepared in 2018, specified clearly that: For the past 54 years, Israeli authorities have facilitated the transfer of Jewish Israelis to the OPT and granted them a superior status under the law as compared to Palestinians living in the same territory when it comes to civil rights, access to land, and freedom to move, build, and confer residency rights to close relatives. While Palestinians have a limited degree of self-rule in parts of the OPT, Israel retains primary control over borders, airspace, the movement of people and goods, security, and the registry of the entire population, which in turn dictates such matters as legal status and eligibility to receive identity cards. https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution I am sorry Freediver, but your dreams of liberal democratic Israel does not exist for everyone.

Are you saying that the west bank and gaza strip are Israeli territory?

freediver wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 7:43am:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:29am: Re Freediver My senario was to question what happens if Israel were to be established in Australia, under the Kimberly plan.  If any critism exist, it is towards the government, not the actual people.   I believe, that in any conflict, it is the politicians who benefits while the people suffers.   As I mentioned before, Israel cannot be considered a liberal democracy.   On Israel land, including the occupied territory, there are 7.3 million Jewish people, and 7.5 million palestinians.  Those 7.5 million Palestinians have no right, and are living in squalors.  That is not actions of a liberal democracy.  An UN report prepared in 2018, specified clearly that: For the past 54 years, Israeli authorities have facilitated the transfer of Jewish Israelis to the OPT and granted them a superior status under the law as compared to Palestinians living in the same territory when it comes to civil rights, access to land, and freedom to move, build, and confer residency rights to close relatives. While Palestinians have a limited degree of self-rule in parts of the OPT, Israel retains primary control over borders, airspace, the movement of people and goods, security, and the registry of the entire population, which in turn dictates such matters as legal status and eligibility to receive identity cards. https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution I am sorry Freediver, but your dreams of liberal democratic Israel does not exist for everyone.  Are you saying that the west bank and gaza strip are Israeli territory?

I am not saying that.  But this is what Israel wants. 

On 22/09/2023, PM Benjamin Netanyahu during a speech at UN held up a map titled 'The New Middle East".  In which it showed a unified and greater Israel that contains: the gaza strip, the West bank, East Jeruselem, and also the Golan heights.  That map completely negated UN recognized Palestinian lands. 

Realistically, I do not see a two state solution given the current geopolitical climate.  Israel has occupied these lands since the 1940s and 50s, and they are not going to give up any time soon.  If it is a self proclaimed liberal democracy, then give these people the rights that they deserve. 

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Israel has occupied these lands since the 1940s and 50s

In what way have they occupied them?

freediver wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 8:04am:

Quote: Israel has occupied these lands since the 1940s and 50s In what way have they occupied them?

This way.

https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 8:07am:

freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:04am: Quote: Israel has occupied these lands since the 1940s and 50s In what way have they occupied them? This way. https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution

Some 'genocide, eh?

About 6.8 million Jewish Israelis and 6.8 million Palestinians live today between the Mediterranean Sea and Jordan River, an area encompassing Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT

You haven't read it, have you?

Frank wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 8:26am:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:07am: freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:04am: Quote: Israel has occupied these lands since the 1940s and 50s In what way have they occupied them? This way. https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution Some 'genocide, eh? About 6.8 million Jewish Israelis and 6.8 million Palestinians live today between the Mediterranean Sea and Jordan River, an area encompassing Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT

The document is titled: Apartheid and Persecution.    :)

freediver wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 8:26am:

You haven't read it, have you?

Its okay Freediver, just get to your point.   :)

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 8:31am:

freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:26am: You haven't read it, have you? Its okay Freediver, just get to your point.   :)

Constant terrorist attack on Israel are not itemized, as if they were not grave human rights violations, but only responses to them are treated as such.
Security concerns are mentioned and acknowledged  - as long as Israel doesn't counter them effectively.



If Gaza is so dependent on Israel, why stage a pogrom killing 1200 Israelis and kidnapping 200+ ??  What were Gazans aiming for? No retaliation? No response? For Israel begging forgiveness?  What?

Frank wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 9:48am:

If Gaza is so dependent on Israel, why stage a pogrom killing 1200 Israelis and kidnapping 200+ ??  What were Gazans aiming for? No retaliation? No response? For Israel begging forgiveness?  What?

The reason is obvious.

Hamas are not just fighters, they consider themselves martyrs - they value their own lives only insofar as they will ultimately die for their cause. The deaths of innocent Muslims are of little concern when, by their beliefs, those innocents are also martyrs.

They planned this attack to be so egregious it would assault the sensibilities of Israelis such that it would overwhelm any Israeli reserve in the ferocity of its retaliation.

On this, they 'succeeded' beyond their wildest expectations and, I'd bet, will become victims of their own 'success'.

I'm betting both the Shia and Sunni states are realising that this 'success' has threatened all their respective regimes with future conflicts and retaliation and, possibly, overthrow - particularly Syria, Iran and Yemen - if they do not or cannot help steer this to a conclusion - whatever a conclusion would actually look like.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 10:09am:

Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 9:48am: If Gaza is so dependent on Israel, why stage a pogrom killing 1200 Israelis and kidnapping 200+ ??  What were Gazans aiming for? No retaliation? No response? For Israel begging forgiveness?  What? The reason is obvious. Hamas are not just fighters, they consider themselves martyrs - they value their own lives only insofar as they will ultimately die for their cause. The deaths of innocent Muslims are of little concern when, by their beliefs, those innocents are also martyrs. They planned this attack to be so egregious it would assault the sensibilities of Israelis such that it would overwhelm any Israeli reserve in the ferocity of its retaliation. On this, they 'succeeded' beyond their wildest expectations and, I'd bet, will become victims of their own 'success'. I'm betting both the Shia and Sunni states are realising that this 'success' has threatened all their respective regimes with future conflicts and retaliation and, possibly, overthrow - particularly Syria, Iran and Yemen - if they do not or cannot help steer this to a conclusion - whatever a conclusion would actually look like.

We're in the twilight zone now.
Muzlum countries seem to have abandoned Palestinian/Hamas because they know the danger they pose while lefties in the streets of western countries are supporting them

Frank wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 9:48am:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:31am: freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:26am: You haven't read it, have you? Its okay Freediver, just get to your point.   :) Constant terrorist attack on Israel are not itemized, as if they were not grave human rights violations, but only responses to them are treated as such. Security concerns are mentioned and acknowledged  - as long as Israel doesn't counter them effectively. If Gaza is so dependent on Israel, why stage a pogrom killing 1200 Israelis and kidnapping 200+ ??  What were Gazans aiming for? No retaliation? No response? For Israel begging forgiveness?  What?

This is called cycle of violence Frank.  I thought you already know this.   The Hamas attacks, is related to occupation is related to prosecution.   Right now, after so many decades, its impossible to unravel who did which, and when.   And that is the problem. 

100s of km of tunnels under Gaza built by Hamas using aid money. If only that was used for the betterment of Palestinian lives

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 10:14am:

Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 9:48am: tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:31am: freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:26am: You haven't read it, have you? Its okay Freediver, just get to your point.   :) Constant terrorist attack on Israel are not itemized, as if they were not grave human rights violations, but only responses to them are treated as such. Security concerns are mentioned and acknowledged  - as long as Israel doesn't counter them effectively. If Gaza is so dependent on Israel, why stage a pogrom killing 1200 Israelis and kidnapping 200+ ??  What were Gazans aiming for? No retaliation? No response? For Israel begging forgiveness?  What? This is called cycle of violence Frank.  I thought you already know this.   The Hamas attacks, is related to occupation is related to prosecution.   Right now, after so many decades, its impossible to unravel who did which, and when.   And that is the problem.

What utter crap. This latest violence was carefully calculated by Hamas and their funders Iran to provoke Israel and enrage the Muslim world. They're religious nutjobs to want to wipe every jew off the face of the earth.

I guess you parroting their propaganda makes you a sad little garden variety jew hating nazi sympathizer too.

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 10:17am:

100s of km of tunnels under Gaza built by Hamas using aid money. If only that was used for the betterment of Palestinian lives

Stop the blockade.  Let goods in.  Let business florish.  Let there be schools, universities.  Let them have opportunity.   Then the people will sway to Israel side.   

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 10:09am:

Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 9:48am: If Gaza is so dependent on Israel, why stage a pogrom killing 1200 Israelis and kidnapping 200+ ??  What were Gazans aiming for? No retaliation? No response? For Israel begging forgiveness?  What? The reason is obvious. Hamas are not just fighters, they consider themselves martyrs - they value their own lives only insofar as they will ultimately die for their cause. The deaths of innocent Muslims are of little concern when, by their beliefs, those innocents are also martyrs. They planned this attack to be so egregious it would assault the sensibilities of Israelis such that it would overwhelm any Israeli reserve in the ferocity of its retaliation. On this, they 'succeeded' beyond their wildest expectations and, I'd bet, will become victims of their own 'success'. I'm betting both the Shia and Sunni states are realising that this 'success' has threatened all their respective regimes with future conflicts and retaliation and, possibly, overthrow - particularly Syria, Iran and Yemen - if they do not or cannot help steer this to a conclusion - whatever a conclusion would actually look like.

You can't have peace or a 'two state solution' with people like that.

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 10:23am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 10:17am: 100s of km of tunnels under Gaza built by Hamas using aid money. If only that was used for the betterment of Palestinian lives Stop the blockade.  Let goods in.  Let business florish.  Let there be schools, universities.  Let them have opportunity.   Then the people will sway to Israel side.

WHY is there a blockade by BOTH Israel and Egypt?



Please don't try to insult our intelligence deliberately.

15 million Jews in the entire world, and this tiny sliver of land and Tickel and Rose wants them all gone.

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Frank wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 10:29am:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 10:23am: Gordon wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 10:17am: 100s of km of tunnels under Gaza built by Hamas using aid money. If only that was used for the betterment of Palestinian lives Stop the blockade.  Let goods in.  Let business florish.  Let there be schools, universities.  Let them have opportunity.   Then the people will sway to Israel side.    WHY is there a blockade by BOTH Israel and Egypt? Please don't try to insult our intelligence deliberately.

Simple.  She's a jew hater.

What we're seeing with this zeal for religious martyrdom has its roots deep within Semitic religious traditions for a very long time.

Ironically, mass suicide in the face of the enemy, was practised by Semitic Jewish zealots of the 1st century.

Josephus, himself, was the sole survivor of his group, all the rest of whom chose suicide over capture.

Then there was the fall of Masada with Eleazar ben Yair's zealots all committing suicide.

Even Pilate was confronted by Semitic-Jewish zeal for suicide when he attempted to introduce the worship of Roman gods and deified Caesars at or around the temple.

The Sicarii were Jewish assassins 'zealous for the law', who would give up their lives if necessary to execute a Roman or Jew who contravened Mosaic law.

Also, fighting to the death for a hopeless or lost cause was also common in the region, as Josephus records.

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 10:23am:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 10:14am: Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 9:48am: tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:31am: freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:26am: You haven't read it, have you? Its okay Freediver, just get to your point.   :) Constant terrorist attack on Israel are not itemized, as if they were not grave human rights violations, but only responses to them are treated as such. Security concerns are mentioned and acknowledged  - as long as Israel doesn't counter them effectively. If Gaza is so dependent on Israel, why stage a pogrom killing 1200 Israelis and kidnapping 200+ ??  What were Gazans aiming for? No retaliation? No response? For Israel begging forgiveness?  What? This is called cycle of violence Frank.  I thought you already know this.   The Hamas attacks, is related to occupation is related to prosecution.   Right now, after so many decades, its impossible to unravel who did which, and when.   And that is the problem.  What utter crap. This latest violence was carefully calculated by Hamas and their funders Iran to provoke Israel and enrage the Muslim world. They're religious nutjobs to want to wipe every jew off the face of the earth. I guess you parroting their propaganda makes you a sad little garden variety jew hating nazi sympathizer too.

Historically, at the formation of Israel.  Israeli militias conducted a large number of terrorist attacks against civilians, and against the British Empire - who held a mandate to govern Palestine at the time.  So you need to get your history right Gordon. 

The view that you are holding are ultra rightwing - Revisionist Zionism.  A view that even majority of Israelis do not agree with.   In order to resolve situation in the middle east, you have to acknowledge three important things:

1. Terrorist attacks by Hamas and other paramilitia groups against Israeli civilians are crimes against humanity, and against international law.
2. Indiscriminate killing of Palestinian civilians are crimes against humanity, and against international law. 
3. Illegal occupation and prosecution of Palestinian lands are against international law, contravening multiple UN resolution, starting from resolution 181.

Hamas terrorise their own people and will kill anyone who gets i  their way

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 10:35am:

Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 10:29am: tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 10:23am: Gordon wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 10:17am: 100s of km of tunnels under Gaza built by Hamas using aid money. If only that was used for the betterment of Palestinian lives Stop the blockade.  Let goods in.  Let business florish.  Let there be schools, universities.  Let them have opportunity.   Then the people will sway to Israel side.    WHY is there a blockade by BOTH Israel and Egypt? Please don't try to insult our intelligence deliberately. Simple.  She's a jew hater.

At the onset of the conflict, there had already being calls for the Gazan refugees to be settled in the Sinai desert.   That is nearly 2 million refugees.  Egypt will not have the logistics to support this population.  And with 2 million refugees, there will be issues of law and chaos.  Hamas will once again florish.  And very likely staging attacks from these refugee camps.  Israel will then respond by pushing further into those refugee camps for security purposes, and thereby igniting a full scale war.    This is something that Egyptians does not want.    And it is not fair to the Palestinians having to leave their home. 

I am not a Jew hater.  I criticize the actions of Israeli government.  I do not feel I am in any way form or shape superior to any other Jewish people out there. 

Frank wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 10:27am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 10:09am: Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 9:48am: If Gaza is so dependent on Israel, why stage a pogrom killing 1200 Israelis and kidnapping 200+ ??  What were Gazans aiming for? No retaliation? No response? For Israel begging forgiveness?  What? The reason is obvious. Hamas are not just fighters, they consider themselves martyrs - they value their own lives only insofar as they will ultimately die for their cause. The deaths of innocent Muslims are of little concern when, by their beliefs, those innocents are also martyrs. They planned this attack to be so egregious it would assault the sensibilities of Israelis such that it would overwhelm any Israeli reserve in the ferocity of its retaliation. On this, they 'succeeded' beyond their wildest expectations and, I'd bet, will become victims of their own 'success'. I'm betting both the Shia and Sunni states are realising that this 'success' has threatened all their respective regimes with future conflicts and retaliation and, possibly, overthrow - particularly Syria, Iran and Yemen - if they do not or cannot help steer this to a conclusion - whatever a conclusion would actually look like. You can't have peace or a 'two state solution' with people like that.

The two-state solution has now become exponentially more complicated by this attack.

On the one hand, it's the only viable solution.

On the other, it's not in the interests of the Sunni and Shia states or the world for this attack to be positively associated with any future political/diplomatic success in establishing a two-state solution.

There's no doubt that Israelis are now incapable of leading talks on the two-state solution and it will need to be imposed on Israel by the world community - with the cooperation of Middle Eastern countries - even over and above Israeli protestations.

The carrot to Israel, countering the 'stick' of two states, might be the recommencing and signing of the Abraham Accords negotiations, whereby Israel may evolve into the dominant leader in the Middle East.

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 10:39am:

2. Indiscriminate killing of Palestinian civilians are crimes against humanity, and against international law.

Unfortunately, the October 7 attack has steeled Israeli appetite for retribution which cannot yet be eased.

As far as future world prosecutors of international law are concerned, the Israeli message to them is likely to be: 'You've made your judgement on us, now try to enforce it'.

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 10:40am:

Hamas terrorise their own people and will kill anyone who gets i  their way

One of our neighbours (she is a 65 yr old retired school teacher who lives a street away and walks her groodle around our neighbourhood regularly) came through yesterday afternoon as we were gardening out the front. As she came by I saw how visibly upset she was so I asked her if she was ok.

I won’t go into the long story (the discussion took over an hour) but here it is in a nutshell:

Yesterday was the 11/11. She spent the day crying. Why? Her husband was an Australian pilot who was shot down by Hamas over 20 years ago. She has been widowed ever since. They never had children (her husband couldn’t) but as he was her soul mate in life she accepted that they would be a family surrounded by pets and nieces and nephews (and these would be their children).

She’s been on her own with pets ever since. She kept teaching full time in order to stay centred and sane. And it did help as again ... she was surrounded by children.

Now that she’s newly retired ... the loneliness is getting to her.

So I asked her what particular role her husband was fulfilling at the time he was shot down by Hamas.

This was essentially her reply :

He was merely dropping off supplies to the people which Hamas was using as human shields to hide behind. The supplies were mainly medical stuff and food.

Not much of his body came back apparently.

He died trying to help these Muslim people which are today on side with Hamas and as far as she’s concerned ... Israel needs to do whatever it must in order to eradicate Hamas once and for all.

I gave her a hug and told her I’d pray for her. It was hard for me to know what else to say.

Her response? I no longer believe in God Lis. Don’t waste your breath praying for me.

My point? Hamas has hurt and devastated the world (not just its own people) for way too long! The damage isn’t contained in the pictures we see today. Global inter generational trauma is involved.

Any idiot on OzPol (or in Oz) who is sympathetic at ANY level with what Hamas stands for deserves the ridicule and disdain they’ve earned. That involves those pricks attending rallies and helping to organise them as the $$$$ donations (which is what’s really behind these rallies) is what is currently helping to FUND HAMAS today. 

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 10:58am:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 10:39am: 2. Indiscriminate killing of Palestinian civilians are crimes against humanity, and against international law.  Unfortunately, the October 7 attack has steeled Israeli appetite for retribution which cannot yet be eased. As far as future world prosecutors of international law are concerned, the Israeli message to them is likely to be: 'You've made your judgement on us, now try to enforce it'.

You are very right. 

May be... we can through some sort of under the table diplomacy, to lobby the US to be a bit more firm about protection of civilians.  After all, we are supposed to be liberal democracies , and all lives are sacred right?   Our international image will be severely damaged.  I mean... look at it... there are two US super carriers sitting on waters off Gaza strips.  At night, the crews on those ships would be able to see bombs dropping on civilians.  Their surveillance would be able to hear and see all those dying women and children.   I mean... come on people.   

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 11:20am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 10:58am: tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 10:39am: 2. Indiscriminate killing of Palestinian civilians are crimes against humanity, and against international law.  Unfortunately, the October 7 attack has steeled Israeli appetite for retribution which cannot yet be eased. As far as future world prosecutors of international law are concerned, the Israeli message to them is likely to be: 'You've made your judgement on us, now try to enforce it'. You are very right.  May be... we can through some sort of under the table diplomacy, to lobby the US to be a bit more firm about protection of civilians.  After all, we are supposed to be liberal democracies , and all lives are sacred right?   Our international image will be severely damaged.  I mean... look at it... there are two US super carriers sitting on waters off Gaza strips.  At night, the crews on those ships would be able to see bombs dropping on civilians.  Their surveillance would be able to hear and see all those dying women and children.   I mean... come on people.

No doubt there's already immense closed-door diplomacy going on now.

There is currently nothing for it other than to let Israel ease the pressure of the uncontrollable Jewish-Israeli lust for retribution.

Beyond that, the where-to-from-here discussions will start - the two-state solution: the highest card on the table.

I'm sure the secular, Sunni and Shia states just want out of this before many of the Middle East's regimes fall like houses of cards.

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 11:02am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 10:40am: Hamas terrorise their own people and will kill anyone who gets i  their way One of our neighbours (she is a 65 yr old retired school teacher who lives a street away and walks her groodle around our neighbourhood regularly) came through yesterday afternoon as we were gardening out the front. As she came by I saw how visibly upset she was so I asked her if she was ok. I won’t go into the long story (the discussion took over an hour) but here it is in a nutshell: Yesterday was the 11/11. She spent the day crying. Why? Her husband was an Australian pilot who was shot down by Hamas over 20 years ago. She has been widowed ever since. They never had children (her husband couldn’t) but as he was her soul mate in life she accepted that they would be a family surrounded by pets and nieces and nephews (and these would be their children). She’s been on her own with pets ever since. She kept teaching full time in order to stay centred and sane. And it did help as again ... she was surrounded by children. Now that she’s newly retired ... the loneliness is getting to her. So I asked her what particular role her husband was fulfilling at the time he was shot down by Hamas. This was essentially her reply : He was merely dropping off supplies to the people which Hamas was using as human shields to hide behind. The supplies were mainly medical stuff and food. Not much of his body came back apparently. He died trying to help these Muslim people which are today on side with Hamas and as far as she’s concerned ... Israel needs to do whatever it must in order to eradicate Hamas once and for all. I gave her a hug and told her I’d pray for her. It was hard for me to know what else to say. Her response? I no longer believe in God Lis. Don’t waste your breath praying for me. My point? Hamas has hurt and devastated the world (not just its own people) for way too long! The damage isn’t contained in the pictures we see today. Global inter generational trauma is involved. Any idiot on OzPol (or in Oz) who is sympathetic at ANY level with what Hamas stands for deserves the ridicule and disdain they’ve earned. That involves those pricks attending rallies and helping to organise them as the $$$$ donations (which is what’s really behind these rallies) is what is currently helping to FUND HAMAS today.

Hi Lisa, I do not think there is anyone on this forum support or be sympathetic to what Hamas have done. 

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 11:44am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 11:02am: Gordon wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 10:40am: Hamas terrorise their own people and will kill anyone who gets i  their way One of our neighbours (she is a 65 yr old retired school teacher who lives a street away and walks her groodle around our neighbourhood regularly) came through yesterday afternoon as we were gardening out the front. As she came by I saw how visibly upset she was so I asked her if she was ok. I won’t go into the long story (the discussion took over an hour) but here it is in a nutshell: Yesterday was the 11/11. She spent the day crying. Why? Her husband was an Australian pilot who was shot down by Hamas over 20 years ago. She has been widowed ever since. They never had children (her husband couldn’t) but as he was her soul mate in life she accepted that they would be a family surrounded by pets and nieces and nephews (and these would be their children). She’s been on her own with pets ever since. She kept teaching full time in order to stay centred and sane. And it did help as again ... she was surrounded by children. Now that she’s newly retired ... the loneliness is getting to her. So I asked her what particular role her husband was fulfilling at the time he was shot down by Hamas. This was essentially her reply : He was merely dropping off supplies to the people which Hamas was using as human shields to hide behind. The supplies were mainly medical stuff and food. Not much of his body came back apparently. He died trying to help these Muslim people which are today on side with Hamas and as far as she’s concerned ... Israel needs to do whatever it must in order to eradicate Hamas once and for all. I gave her a hug and told her I’d pray for her. It was hard for me to know what else to say. Her response? I no longer believe in God Lis. Don’t waste your breath praying for me. My point? Hamas has hurt and devastated the world (not just its own people) for way too long! The damage isn’t contained in the pictures we see today. Global inter generational trauma is involved. Any idiot on OzPol (or in Oz) who is sympathetic at ANY level with what Hamas stands for deserves the ridicule and disdain they’ve earned. That involves those pricks attending rallies and helping to organise them as the $$$$ donations (which is what’s really behind these rallies) is what is currently helping to FUND HAMAS today.  Hi Lisa, I do not think there is anyone on this forum support or be sympathetic to what Hamas have done.

You support Hamas by telling the jews they should just sit back at take it.
How dare they protect themselves.

Gordon wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 11:47am:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 11:44am: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 11:02am: Gordon wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 10:40am: Hamas terrorise their own people and will kill anyone who gets i  their way One of our neighbours (she is a 65 yr old retired school teacher who lives a street away and walks her groodle around our neighbourhood regularly) came through yesterday afternoon as we were gardening out the front. As she came by I saw how visibly upset she was so I asked her if she was ok. I won’t go into the long story (the discussion took over an hour) but here it is in a nutshell: Yesterday was the 11/11. She spent the day crying. Why? Her husband was an Australian pilot who was shot down by Hamas over 20 years ago. She has been widowed ever since. They never had children (her husband couldn’t) but as he was her soul mate in life she accepted that they would be a family surrounded by pets and nieces and nephews (and these would be their children). She’s been on her own with pets ever since. She kept teaching full time in order to stay centred and sane. And it did help as again ... she was surrounded by children. Now that she’s newly retired ... the loneliness is getting to her. So I asked her what particular role her husband was fulfilling at the time he was shot down by Hamas. This was essentially her reply : He was merely dropping off supplies to the people which Hamas was using as human shields to hide behind. The supplies were mainly medical stuff and food. Not much of his body came back apparently. He died trying to help these Muslim people which are today on side with Hamas and as far as she’s concerned ... Israel needs to do whatever it must in order to eradicate Hamas once and for all. I gave her a hug and told her I’d pray for her. It was hard for me to know what else to say. Her response? I no longer believe in God Lis. Don’t waste your breath praying for me. My point? Hamas has hurt and devastated the world (not just its own people) for way too long! The damage isn’t contained in the pictures we see today. Global inter generational trauma is involved. Any idiot on OzPol (or in Oz) who is sympathetic at ANY level with what Hamas stands for deserves the ridicule and disdain they’ve earned. That involves those pricks attending rallies and helping to organise them as the $$$$ donations (which is what’s really behind these rallies) is what is currently helping to FUND HAMAS today.  Hi Lisa, I do not think there is anyone on this forum support or be sympathetic to what Hamas have done.  You support Hamas by telling the jews they should just sit back at take it. How dare they protect themselves.

Growing up, my parents have always taught me, that to be a friend - you need to stay by your friend through good times and bad times.  However, it takes a true friend to point out if their action is wrong. 

Indiscriminate killing of civilians is wrong.  You cannot possibly justify this. 

And there is no winners.  Israel can kill each and every Gazan alive, and I will assure you, that this will not make Israel any safer. 

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 11:44am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 11:02am: Gordon wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 10:40am: Hamas terrorise their own people and will kill anyone who gets i  their way One of our neighbours (she is a 65 yr old retired school teacher who lives a street away and walks her groodle around our neighbourhood regularly) came through yesterday afternoon as we were gardening out the front. As she came by I saw how visibly upset she was so I asked her if she was ok. I won’t go into the long story (the discussion took over an hour) but here it is in a nutshell: Yesterday was the 11/11. She spent the day crying. Why? Her husband was an Australian pilot who was shot down by Hamas over 20 years ago. She has been widowed ever since. They never had children (her husband couldn’t) but as he was her soul mate in life she accepted that they would be a family surrounded by pets and nieces and nephews (and these would be their children). She’s been on her own with pets ever since. She kept teaching full time in order to stay centred and sane. And it did help as again ... she was surrounded by children. Now that she’s newly retired ... the loneliness is getting to her. So I asked her what particular role her husband was fulfilling at the time he was shot down by Hamas. This was essentially her reply : He was merely dropping off supplies to the people which Hamas was using as human shields to hide behind. The supplies were mainly medical stuff and food. Not much of his body came back apparently. He died trying to help these Muslim people which are today on side with Hamas and as far as she’s concerned ... Israel needs to do whatever it must in order to eradicate Hamas once and for all. I gave her a hug and told her I’d pray for her. It was hard for me to know what else to say. Her response? I no longer believe in God Lis. Don’t waste your breath praying for me. My point? Hamas has hurt and devastated the world (not just its own people) for way too long! The damage isn’t contained in the pictures we see today. Global inter generational trauma is involved. Any idiot on OzPol (or in Oz) who is sympathetic at ANY level with what Hamas stands for deserves the ridicule and disdain they’ve earned. That involves those pricks attending rallies and helping to organise them as the $$$$ donations (which is what’s really behind these rallies) is what is currently helping to FUND HAMAS today.  Hi Lisa, I do not think there is anyone on this forum support or be sympathetic to what Hamas have done.

I don’t particularly care what you think.

I also know that your ID was previously and recently exposed as being compromised and shared. This was discovered by other OzPol posters.

Your own posts indicate that you are a Hamas apologist and a Jew hating Nazi.

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 12:00pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 11:44am: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 11:02am: Gordon wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 10:40am: Hamas terrorise their own people and will kill anyone who gets i  their way One of our neighbours (she is a 65 yr old retired school teacher who lives a street away and walks her groodle around our neighbourhood regularly) came through yesterday afternoon as we were gardening out the front. As she came by I saw how visibly upset she was so I asked her if she was ok. I won’t go into the long story (the discussion took over an hour) but here it is in a nutshell: Yesterday was the 11/11. She spent the day crying. Why? Her husband was an Australian pilot who was shot down by Hamas over 20 years ago. She has been widowed ever since. They never had children (her husband couldn’t) but as he was her soul mate in life she accepted that they would be a family surrounded by pets and nieces and nephews (and these would be their children). She’s been on her own with pets ever since. She kept teaching full time in order to stay centred and sane. And it did help as again ... she was surrounded by children. Now that she’s newly retired ... the loneliness is getting to her. So I asked her what particular role her husband was fulfilling at the time he was shot down by Hamas. This was essentially her reply : He was merely dropping off supplies to the people which Hamas was using as human shields to hide behind. The supplies were mainly medical stuff and food. Not much of his body came back apparently. He died trying to help these Muslim people which are today on side with Hamas and as far as she’s concerned ... Israel needs to do whatever it must in order to eradicate Hamas once and for all. I gave her a hug and told her I’d pray for her. It was hard for me to know what else to say. Her response? I no longer believe in God Lis. Don’t waste your breath praying for me. My point? Hamas has hurt and devastated the world (not just its own people) for way too long! The damage isn’t contained in the pictures we see today. Global inter generational trauma is involved. Any idiot on OzPol (or in Oz) who is sympathetic at ANY level with what Hamas stands for deserves the ridicule and disdain they’ve earned. That involves those pricks attending rallies and helping to organise them as the $$$$ donations (which is what’s really behind these rallies) is what is currently helping to FUND HAMAS today.  Hi Lisa, I do not think there is anyone on this forum support or be sympathetic to what Hamas have done.  I don’t particularly care what you think. I also know that your ID was previously and recently exposed as being compromised and shared. This was discovered by other OzPol posters. Your own posts indicate that you are a Hamas apologist and a Jew hating Nazi.

What do you mean?  Is my password compromised?  Discovered by which Ozpol posters?

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 8:31am:

freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:26am: You haven't read it, have you? Its okay Freediver, just get to your point.   :)

Israel is not occupying the west bank and Gaza strip. The residents are not citizens of Israel. They lack rights, not because of Israel, but because they are Muslims and their religion compels them to form oppressive governments and devote their efforts to exterminating Jews rather than forming a functioning society.

If they were anything other than Muslims, there would be 1, 2 or 3 functioning states, most likely wealthier and freer and more stable than Israel. Most likely one state, because only Muslims would respond with such frothing-at-the-mouth hostility to Jews in a position of authority.

freediver wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 1:04pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:31am: freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:26am: You haven't read it, have you? Its okay Freediver, just get to your point.   :) Israel is not occupying the west bank and Gaza strip. The residents are not citizens of Israel. They lack rights, not because of Israel, but because they are Muslims and their religion compels them to form oppressive governments and devote their efforts to exterminating Jews rather than forming a functioning society. If they were anything other than Muslims, there would be 1, 2 or 3 functioning states, most likely wealthier and freer and more stable than Israel. Most likely one state, because only Muslims would respond with such frothing-at-the-mouth hostility to Jews in a position of authority.

:D :D :D

Are you drunk?

freediver wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 1:04pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:31am: freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:26am: You haven't read it, have you? Its okay Freediver, just get to your point.   :) Israel is not occupying the west bank and Gaza strip. The residents are not citizens of Israel. They lack rights, not because of Israel, but because they are Muslims and their religion compels them to form oppressive governments and devote their efforts to exterminating Jews rather than forming a functioning society. If they were anything other than Muslims, there would be 1, 2 or 3 functioning states, most likely wealthier and freer and more stable than Israel. Most likely one state, because only Muslims would respond with such frothing-at-the-mouth hostility to Jews in a position of authority.

This is not true.  You need to read up on UN resolution 181, 2234, and this most recent one which I dont have the number yet. 

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/india-votes-in-favour-of-un-resolution-against-israeli-settlements-in-palestine-2461835-2023-11-11

freediver wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 1:04pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:31am: freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:26am: You haven't read it, have you? Its okay Freediver, just get to your point.   :) Israel is not occupying the west bank and Gaza strip. The residents are not citizens of Israel. They lack rights, not because of Israel, but because they are Muslims and their religion compels them to form oppressive governments and devote their efforts to exterminating Jews rather than forming a functioning society. If they were anything other than Muslims, there would be 1, 2 or 3 functioning states, most likely wealthier and freer and more stable than Israel. Most likely one state, because only Muslims would respond with such frothing-at-the-mouth hostility to Jews in a position of authority.

And their spineless Western apologists.


Between Egypt and Turkey, Araby and Persia, it was all a mish mash of Arab tribes under the Ottomans (basically the Eastern Roman Empire first conquered by Arab Muslims then the Ottomans. There were no Palestinians, Syrians, Jordanians, Iraqis, Lebanese, Saudis, Qataris etc either under the Arabs or the Turks.

There is no nation state in Islam - yet it is Islam that compels the Muslims to kill off the Jews for 'Palestine' and the Ummah. Islam is the most confused and ****ed ideology, forever trying to be both contemporary and faithful to its OWN central doctrine that a 7th century book of gibberish by an illiterate peddler.

Frank wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 5:00pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 1:04pm: tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:31am: freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:26am: You haven't read it, have you? Its okay Freediver, just get to your point.   :) Israel is not occupying the west bank and Gaza strip. The residents are not citizens of Israel. They lack rights, not because of Israel, but because they are Muslims and their religion compels them to form oppressive governments and devote their efforts to exterminating Jews rather than forming a functioning society. If they were anything other than Muslims, there would be 1, 2 or 3 functioning states, most likely wealthier and freer and more stable than Israel. Most likely one state, because only Muslims would respond with such frothing-at-the-mouth hostility to Jews in a position of authority. And their spineless Western apologists. Between Egypt and Turkey, Araby and Persia, it was all a mish mash of Arab tribes under the Ottomans (basically the Eastern Roman Empire first conquered by Arab Muslims then the Ottomans. There were no Palestinians, Syrians, Jordanians, Iraqis, Lebanese, Saudis, Qataris etc either under the Arabs or the Turks. There is no nation state in Islam - yet it is Islam that compels the Muslims to kill off the Jews for 'Palestine' and the Ummah. Islam is the most confused and ****ed ideology, forever trying to be both contemporary and faithful to its OWN central doctrine that a 7th century book of gibberish by an illiterate peddler.

I guess, all the crusades were just con jobs then.   :D

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 5:47pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 5:00pm: freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 1:04pm: tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:31am: freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:26am: You haven't read it, have you? Its okay Freediver, just get to your point.   :) Israel is not occupying the west bank and Gaza strip. The residents are not citizens of Israel. They lack rights, not because of Israel, but because they are Muslims and their religion compels them to form oppressive governments and devote their efforts to exterminating Jews rather than forming a functioning society. If they were anything other than Muslims, there would be 1, 2 or 3 functioning states, most likely wealthier and freer and more stable than Israel. Most likely one state, because only Muslims would respond with such frothing-at-the-mouth hostility to Jews in a position of authority. And their spineless Western apologists. Between Egypt and Turkey, Araby and Persia, it was all a mish mash of Arab tribes under the Ottomans (basically the Eastern Roman Empire first conquered by Arab Muslims then the Ottomans. There were no Palestinians, Syrians, Jordanians, Iraqis, Lebanese, Saudis, Qataris etc either under the Arabs or the Turks. There is no nation state in Islam - yet it is Islam that compels the Muslims to kill off the Jews for 'Palestine' and the Ummah. Islam is the most confused and ****ed ideology, forever trying to be both contemporary and faithful to its OWN central doctrine that a 7th century book of gibberish by an illiterate peddler. I guess, all the crusades were just con jobs then.   :D

I have no idea why people bring up the crusades as a bad thing the west did. The Moslems took what was Christian land and the Christians tried to take it back. If the Moslems never took the land from the Eastern Roman Empire, there would have been no crusades. Stop looking at history from one point in time and view it as what it is, a continuum.

Can anyone show the equivalent of this in a Muslim country?

https://medium.com/@wjc.brussels/7-israeli-arabs-who-make-israel-a-better-place-650bfcfbc81

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 5:47pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 5:00pm: freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 1:04pm: tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:31am: freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:26am: You haven't read it, have you? Its okay Freediver, just get to your point.   :) Israel is not occupying the west bank and Gaza strip. The residents are not citizens of Israel. They lack rights, not because of Israel, but because they are Muslims and their religion compels them to form oppressive governments and devote their efforts to exterminating Jews rather than forming a functioning society. If they were anything other than Muslims, there would be 1, 2 or 3 functioning states, most likely wealthier and freer and more stable than Israel. Most likely one state, because only Muslims would respond with such frothing-at-the-mouth hostility to Jews in a position of authority. And their spineless Western apologists. Between Egypt and Turkey, Araby and Persia, it was all a mish mash of Arab tribes under the Ottomans (basically the Eastern Roman Empire first conquered by Arab Muslims then the Ottomans. There were no Palestinians, Syrians, Jordanians, Iraqis, Lebanese, Saudis, Qataris etc either under the Arabs or the Turks. There is no nation state in Islam - yet it is Islam that compels the Muslims to kill off the Jews for 'Palestine' and the Ummah. Islam is the most confused and ****ed ideology, forever trying to be both contemporary and faithful to its OWN central doctrine that a 7th century book of gibberish by an illiterate peddler. I guess, all the crusades were just con jobs then.   :D

I don't know what kind of ignorant bozo you are but here is a reminder: the crusades were about TAKING BACK what the marooding, rapacious Muslims took and trampled on.
The Crusades were a liberation movement. It was 'Free, Free Palestine' from its barbarian Muslim conquerors and usurper.

Conservatives still jerking off over the death of thousands of Palestinian kids.

Oh dear   ::)

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 7:32pm:

Conservatives still jerking off over the death of thousands of Palestinian kids. Oh dear   ::)

You are the only one jerking off, despicable, vile turd. The only one.

You are jerking off to your own chanting of 'jerking off', jerk off.
Have you changed Bbwian's nappies, cleaned his nose, eyes, arse and  are you greasing up for your night shift?

Frank wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 8:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:32pm: Conservatives still jerking off over the death of thousands of Palestinian kids. Oh dear   ::) You are the only one jerking off, despicable, vile turd. The only one. You are jerking off to your own chanting of 'jerking off', jerk off. Have you changed Bbwian's nappies, cleaned his nose, eyes, arse and  are you greasing up for your night shift?

He does seem inordinately attracted to the words masturbation and rape, in fact he seems to spend all day every day focusing on them. I wonder what Aquascoot's count is up to now.

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 4:25pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 1:04pm: tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:31am: freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:26am: You haven't read it, have you? Its okay Freediver, just get to your point.   :) Israel is not occupying the west bank and Gaza strip. The residents are not citizens of Israel. They lack rights, not because of Israel, but because they are Muslims and their religion compels them to form oppressive governments and devote their efforts to exterminating Jews rather than forming a functioning society. If they were anything other than Muslims, there would be 1, 2 or 3 functioning states, most likely wealthier and freer and more stable than Israel. Most likely one state, because only Muslims would respond with such frothing-at-the-mouth hostility to Jews in a position of authority. This is not true.  You need to read up on UN resolution 181, 2234, and this most recent one which I dont have the number yet.  https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/india-votes-in-favour-of-un-resolution-against-israeli-settlements-in-palestine-2461835-2023-11-11

Why do you think I need to read it? Either you haven't, or it has not helped you. How about instead of trying to give other people homework, you think for yourself.


greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 7:32pm:

Conservatives still jerking off over the death of thousands of Palestinian kids. Oh dear   ::)

When people start dying, Greg starts talking about jerking off. More than usual.

Frank wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 7:31pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 5:47pm: Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 5:00pm: freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 1:04pm: tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:31am: freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:26am: You haven't read it, have you? Its okay Freediver, just get to your point.   :) Israel is not occupying the west bank and Gaza strip. The residents are not citizens of Israel. They lack rights, not because of Israel, but because they are Muslims and their religion compels them to form oppressive governments and devote their efforts to exterminating Jews rather than forming a functioning society. If they were anything other than Muslims, there would be 1, 2 or 3 functioning states, most likely wealthier and freer and more stable than Israel. Most likely one state, because only Muslims would respond with such frothing-at-the-mouth hostility to Jews in a position of authority. And their spineless Western apologists. Between Egypt and Turkey, Araby and Persia, it was all a mish mash of Arab tribes under the Ottomans (basically the Eastern Roman Empire first conquered by Arab Muslims then the Ottomans. There were no Palestinians, Syrians, Jordanians, Iraqis, Lebanese, Saudis, Qataris etc either under the Arabs or the Turks. There is no nation state in Islam - yet it is Islam that compels the Muslims to kill off the Jews for 'Palestine' and the Ummah. Islam is the most confused and ****ed ideology, forever trying to be both contemporary and faithful to its OWN central doctrine that a 7th century book of gibberish by an illiterate peddler. I guess, all the crusades were just con jobs then.   :D I don't know what kind of ignorant bozo you are but here is a reminder: the crusades were about TAKING BACK what the marooding, rapacious Muslims took and trampled on. The Crusades were a liberation movement. It was 'Free, Free Palestine' from its barbarian Muslim conquerors and usurper.

I gather you have not even read on anything about it.  Do you know what happened during the first crusade? 

freediver wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 9:23pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 4:25pm: freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 1:04pm: tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:31am: freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:26am: You haven't read it, have you? Its okay Freediver, just get to your point.   :) Israel is not occupying the west bank and Gaza strip. The residents are not citizens of Israel. They lack rights, not because of Israel, but because they are Muslims and their religion compels them to form oppressive governments and devote their efforts to exterminating Jews rather than forming a functioning society. If they were anything other than Muslims, there would be 1, 2 or 3 functioning states, most likely wealthier and freer and more stable than Israel. Most likely one state, because only Muslims would respond with such frothing-at-the-mouth hostility to Jews in a position of authority. This is not true.  You need to read up on UN resolution 181, 2234, and this most recent one which I dont have the number yet.  https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/india-votes-in-favour-of-un-resolution-against-israeli-settlements-in-palestine-2461835-2023-11-11 Why do you think I need to read it? Either you haven't, or it has not helped you. How about instead of trying to give other people homework, you think for yourself. greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:32pm: Conservatives still jerking off over the death of thousands of Palestinian kids. Oh dear   ::) When people start dying, Greg starts talking about jerking off. More than usual.

If you had read it, then you would not make statements like Israel is not occupying the west bank and Gaza strip.

Because, those resolution is about occupation.   :D  Otherwise there wont be those resolutions. 

Frank wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 7:31pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 5:47pm: Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 5:00pm: freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 1:04pm: tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:31am: freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:26am: You haven't read it, have you? Its okay Freediver, just get to your point.   :) Israel is not occupying the west bank and Gaza strip. The residents are not citizens of Israel. They lack rights, not because of Israel, but because they are Muslims and their religion compels them to form oppressive governments and devote their efforts to exterminating Jews rather than forming a functioning society. If they were anything other than Muslims, there would be 1, 2 or 3 functioning states, most likely wealthier and freer and more stable than Israel. Most likely one state, because only Muslims would respond with such frothing-at-the-mouth hostility to Jews in a position of authority. And their spineless Western apologists. Between Egypt and Turkey, Araby and Persia, it was all a mish mash of Arab tribes under the Ottomans (basically the Eastern Roman Empire first conquered by Arab Muslims then the Ottomans. There were no Palestinians, Syrians, Jordanians, Iraqis, Lebanese, Saudis, Qataris etc either under the Arabs or the Turks. There is no nation state in Islam - yet it is Islam that compels the Muslims to kill off the Jews for 'Palestine' and the Ummah. Islam is the most confused and ****ed ideology, forever trying to be both contemporary and faithful to its OWN central doctrine that a 7th century book of gibberish by an illiterate peddler. I guess, all the crusades were just con jobs then.   :D I don't know what kind of ignorant bozo you are but here is a reminder: the crusades were about TAKING BACK what the marooding, rapacious Muslims took and trampled on. The Crusades were a liberation movement. It was 'Free, Free Palestine' from its barbarian Muslim conquerors and usurper.

Nothing much has changed since then I see.

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:22am:

freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 9:23pm: tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 4:25pm: freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 1:04pm: tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:31am: freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:26am: You haven't read it, have you? Its okay Freediver, just get to your point.   :) Israel is not occupying the west bank and Gaza strip. The residents are not citizens of Israel. They lack rights, not because of Israel, but because they are Muslims and their religion compels them to form oppressive governments and devote their efforts to exterminating Jews rather than forming a functioning society. If they were anything other than Muslims, there would be 1, 2 or 3 functioning states, most likely wealthier and freer and more stable than Israel. Most likely one state, because only Muslims would respond with such frothing-at-the-mouth hostility to Jews in a position of authority. This is not true.  You need to read up on UN resolution 181, 2234, and this most recent one which I dont have the number yet.  https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/india-votes-in-favour-of-un-resolution-against-israeli-settlements-in-palestine-2461835-2023-11-11 Why do you think I need to read it? Either you haven't, or it has not helped you. How about instead of trying to give other people homework, you think for yourself. greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:32pm: Conservatives still jerking off over the death of thousands of Palestinian kids. Oh dear   ::) When people start dying, Greg starts talking about jerking off. More than usual. If you had read it, then you would not make statements like Israel is not occupying the west bank and Gaza strip. Because, those resolution is about occupation.   :D  Otherwise there wont be those resolutions.

How many Israeli military or police are typically in the gaza strip?

The animosity between msny Jewish-Israelis and Arab-Irsaelis is persistent and deep.

One of the many complaints Arab-Israelis report is the lack of police services provided to their communities. Israeli police, they claim, will often not act when serious Arab-Arab crime occurs. Often, again as they claim, the Arab-Israeli crims are armed with IDF equipment.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 7:01am:

The animosity between msny Jewish-Israelis and Arab-Irsaelis is persistent and deep. One of the many complaints Arab-Israelis report is the lack of police services provided to their communities. Israeli police, they claim, will often not act when serious Arab-Arab crime occurs. Often, again as they claim, the Arab-Israeli crims are armed with IDF equipment.

Sounds like another Jewish conspiracy. I often wonder why Muslims are so gullible to believe all the absurd conspiracies they spread about the Jews.

freediver wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 7:19am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 7:01am: The animosity between msny Jewish-Israelis and Arab-Irsaelis is persistent and deep. One of the many complaints Arab-Israelis report is the lack of police services provided to their communities. Israeli police, they claim, will often not act when serious Arab-Arab crime occurs. Often, again as they claim, the Arab-Israeli crims are armed with IDF equipment. Sounds like another Jewish conspiracy.

It's not implausible. It's a very typical scenario in societies where ethno-chauvinism is entrenched and tenacious, particularly where that chauvinism has been cemented in place by ethnocentric conflict and war.

Jews in 1948 'inherited' those Arabs within the new state of Israel and, generally, they have resented it ever since.

Palestine was created by the Roman Empire, by stealing land already part of Israel (Judah).
The Roman Empire is no longer around and why should Palestine?
Those lands 'are' Israel.

Jasin wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 10:01am:

Palestine was created by the Roman Empire, by stealing land already part of Israel (Judah). The Roman Empire is no longer around and why should Palestine? Those lands 'are' Israel.

There was historically no such place as Israel.

Ishra-el was a self-styled label placed on those who struggle with El/Yahweh.

There are the concepts of Children of Israel and Israelites historically, but not a land of Israel.

What the Romans to the present day call Palestine is to Israelis lands such as Judea and Samaria.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 10:21am:

Jasin wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 10:01am: Palestine was created by the Roman Empire, by stealing land already part of Israel (Judah). The Roman Empire is no longer around and why should Palestine? Those lands 'are' Israel. There was historically no such place as Israel. Ishra-el was a self-styled label placed on those who struggle with El/Yahweh. There are the concepts of Children of Israel and Israelites historically, but not a land of Israel. What the Romans to the present day call Palestine is to Israelis lands such as Judea and Samaria.

👆 Once again just more invented rubbish with haphazard historical references and NEVER a relevant hyper link.

Mister Moron specialises in the same antics of Ancient Aliens 👉 99% BS but sprinkled with a dash of something factual.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 7:24am:

freediver wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 7:19am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 7:01am: The animosity between msny Jewish-Israelis and Arab-Irsaelis is persistent and deep. One of the many complaints Arab-Israelis report is the lack of police services provided to their communities. Israeli police, they claim, will often not act when serious Arab-Arab crime occurs. Often, again as they claim, the Arab-Israeli crims are armed with IDF equipment. Sounds like another Jewish conspiracy. It's not implausible.

Guilty.

freediver wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 12:11pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 7:24am: freediver wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 7:19am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 7:01am: The animosity between msny Jewish-Israelis and Arab-Irsaelis is persistent and deep. One of the many complaints Arab-Israelis report is the lack of police services provided to their communities. Israeli police, they claim, will often not act when serious Arab-Arab crime occurs. Often, again as they claim, the Arab-Israeli crims are armed with IDF equipment. Sounds like another Jewish conspiracy. It's not implausible. Guilty.

What impetus would Jewish-Israeli cops have if they held a bone-deep hatred for Arabs to risk their lives in dealing with potentially lethal issues among Arabs?

A phrase often used by Israelis when hearing of internal issues among Arabs: "Well, they're Arabs, after all".

freediver wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:53am:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 6:22am: freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 9:23pm: tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 4:25pm: freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 1:04pm: tickleandrose wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:31am: freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:26am: You haven't read it, have you? Its okay Freediver, just get to your point.   :) Israel is not occupying the west bank and Gaza strip. The residents are not citizens of Israel. They lack rights, not because of Israel, but because they are Muslims and their religion compels them to form oppressive governments and devote their efforts to exterminating Jews rather than forming a functioning society. If they were anything other than Muslims, there would be 1, 2 or 3 functioning states, most likely wealthier and freer and more stable than Israel. Most likely one state, because only Muslims would respond with such frothing-at-the-mouth hostility to Jews in a position of authority. This is not true.  You need to read up on UN resolution 181, 2234, and this most recent one which I dont have the number yet.  https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/india-votes-in-favour-of-un-resolution-against-israeli-settlements-in-palestine-2461835-2023-11-11 Why do you think I need to read it? Either you haven't, or it has not helped you. How about instead of trying to give other people homework, you think for yourself. greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:32pm: Conservatives still jerking off over the death of thousands of Palestinian kids. Oh dear   ::) When people start dying, Greg starts talking about jerking off. More than usual. If you had read it, then you would not make statements like Israel is not occupying the west bank and Gaza strip. Because, those resolution is about occupation.   :D  Otherwise there wont be those resolutions.  How many Israeli military or police are typically in the gaza strip?

Lets look at the facts then.  But dont be angry. 

Here is UN resolution 181. 

https://www.britannica.com/topic/United-Nations-Resolution-181

If you look at the map.  The area in orange is the original UN partition plan. 

Now have a look at the current map. 

https://www.reuters.com/graphics/ISRAEL-PALESTINIANS/MAPS/movajdladpa/

Clearly, the area around the Gaza strip had being illegal annexed off.  In fact, much of the HAMAS attacks that took place, is within UN recognized Palestinian land, NOT Israel land.   These areas are occupied lands.  People were driven from those lands, into the current Gaza area with a firm blockade of sea, land and air. 

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 1:26pm:

Lets look at the facts then.  But dont be angry.  Here is UN resolution 181.  https://www.britannica.com/topic/United-Nations-Resolution-181 If you look at the map.  The area in orange is the original UN partition plan.  Now have a look at the current map.  https://www.reuters.com/graphics/ISRAEL-PALESTINIANS/MAPS/movajdladpa/ Clearly, the area around the Gaza strip had being illegal annexed off.  In fact, much of the HAMAS attacks that took place, is within UN recognized Palestinian land, NOT Israel land.   These areas are occupied lands.  People were driven from those lands, into the current Gaza area with a firm blockade of sea, land and air.

That resolution was in 1947.

Israel accepted the 1947 partition, the Arabs didn't but started a war instead. And another in 1967 when Israel occupied the then Egyptian, Jordanian and Syrian  Occupied Territoiries of Gaza, WB and Golan.  And another in 1973. And Intifadas Galore since.

How many two states solutions have th ed Muslims rejected since 1947? Five.

Frank wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 3:49pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 1:26pm: Lets look at the facts then.  But dont be angry.  Here is UN resolution 181.  https://www.britannica.com/topic/United-Nations-Resolution-181 If you look at the map.  The area in orange is the original UN partition plan.  Now have a look at the current map.  https://www.reuters.com/graphics/ISRAEL-PALESTINIANS/MAPS/movajdladpa/ Clearly, the area around the Gaza strip had being illegal annexed off.  In fact, much of the HAMAS attacks that took place, is within UN recognized Palestinian land, NOT Israel land.   These areas are occupied lands.  People were driven from those lands, into the current Gaza area with a firm blockade of sea, land and air.  That resolution was in 1947. Israel accepted the 1947 partition, the Arabs didn't but started a war instead. And another in 1967 when Israel occupied the then Egyptian, Jordanian and Syrian  Occupied Territoiries of Gaza, WB and Golan.  And another in 1973. And Intifadas Galore since. How many two states solutions have th ed Muslims rejected since 1947? Five.

Frank.   Because, each time the Palestinian territories got smaller and smaller.   The last serious attempt at two state solution was the Oslo Accord.   And if you read the details here 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords

Basically, in terms of security.  The new state of Palestine is only allowed a police force.  Its still very restricted in who they can trade or communicate with.  They will still be under Israeli control on travel.  So in effect, a small colonial state. 

And even with that much concession, guess what happened?   PM Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated by ultra right wing terrorists in Israel.  And Yasser Arafat?  Swiss medical experts believed that he died of Polonium poisoning. 

And I agree with you on the occupied territories.  They are occupied. 

Setanta wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 8:33pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:26pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:32pm: Conservatives still jerking off over the death of thousands of Palestinian kids. Oh dear   ::) You are the only one jerking off, despicable, vile turd. The only one. You are jerking off to your own chanting of 'jerking off', jerk off. Have you changed Bbwian's nappies, cleaned his nose, eyes, arse and  are you greasing up for your night shift? He does seem inordinately attracted to the words masturbation and rape, in fact he seems to spend all day every day focusing on them. I wonder what Aquascoot's count is up to now.

Aqua has counted that 85% of Peccary's all-time posts involve Rape & Jerking off.

This coming from Peccary who's idols were Rock Stars and Entertainers who were all Sex Predators, Rapists, Wankers and more.

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 4:17pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 3:49pm: tickleandrose wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 1:26pm: Lets look at the facts then.  But dont be angry.  Here is UN resolution 181.  https://www.britannica.com/topic/United-Nations-Resolution-181 If you look at the map.  The area in orange is the original UN partition plan.  Now have a look at the current map.  https://www.reuters.com/graphics/ISRAEL-PALESTINIANS/MAPS/movajdladpa/ Clearly, the area around the Gaza strip had being illegal annexed off.  In fact, much of the HAMAS attacks that took place, is within UN recognized Palestinian land, NOT Israel land.   These areas are occupied lands.  People were driven from those lands, into the current Gaza area with a firm blockade of sea, land and air.  That resolution was in 1947. Israel accepted the 1947 partition, the Arabs didn't but started a war instead. And another in 1967 when Israel occupied the then Egyptian, Jordanian and Syrian  Occupied Territoiries of Gaza, WB and Golan.  And another in 1973. And Intifadas Galore since. How many two states solutions have th ed Muslims rejected since 1947? Five. Frank.   Because, each time the Palestinian territories got smaller and smaller.   The last serious attempt at two state solution was the Oslo Accord.   And if you read the details here  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords Basically, in terms of security.  The new state of Palestine is only allowed a police force.  Its still very restricted in who they can trade or communicate with.  They will still be under Israeli control on travel.  So in effect, a small colonial state.  And even with that much concession, guess what happened?   PM Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated by ultra right wing terrorists in Israel.  And Yasser Arafat?  Swiss medical experts believed that he died of Polonium poisoning.  And I agree with you on the occupied territories.  They are occupied.

Would YOU trust the Pallos with their history, their connections to and support from Iran, Syria, Qatar etc to have full freedom to operate unchecked from the get go? Of course you wouldn't. NOBODY would. The buggers were expelled from Jordan and Lebanon, supposed friendlies, for being ****ing insufferable arseholes.
An unchecked Palestinian State would be an instant proxy and launching pad for Iran and ISIS. 

I simply do not believe that you are merely naive and unaware of all this.  So you are , I'm afraid, talking bizarre shite knowingly.

Jasin wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 5:37pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:33pm: Frank wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 8:26pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:32pm: Conservatives still jerking off over the death of thousands of Palestinian kids. Oh dear   ::) You are the only one jerking off, despicable, vile turd. The only one. You are jerking off to your own chanting of 'jerking off', jerk off. Have you changed Bbwian's nappies, cleaned his nose, eyes, arse and  are you greasing up for your night shift? He does seem inordinately attracted to the words masturbation and rape, in fact he seems to spend all day every day focusing on them. I wonder what Aquascoot's count is up to now. Aqua has counted that 85% of Peccary's all-time posts involve Rape & Jerking off. This coming from Peccary who's idols were Rock Stars and Entertainers who were all Sex Predators, Rapists, Wankers and more.

Wankerryfappity.

Frank wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 4:17pm: Frank wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 3:49pm: tickleandrose wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 1:26pm: Lets look at the facts then.  But dont be angry.  Here is UN resolution 181.  https://www.britannica.com/topic/United-Nations-Resolution-181 If you look at the map.  The area in orange is the original UN partition plan.  Now have a look at the current map.  https://www.reuters.com/graphics/ISRAEL-PALESTINIANS/MAPS/movajdladpa/ Clearly, the area around the Gaza strip had being illegal annexed off.  In fact, much of the HAMAS attacks that took place, is within UN recognized Palestinian land, NOT Israel land.   These areas are occupied lands.  People were driven from those lands, into the current Gaza area with a firm blockade of sea, land and air.  That resolution was in 1947. Israel accepted the 1947 partition, the Arabs didn't but started a war instead. And another in 1967 when Israel occupied the then Egyptian, Jordanian and Syrian  Occupied Territoiries of Gaza, WB and Golan.  And another in 1973. And Intifadas Galore since. How many two states solutions have th ed Muslims rejected since 1947? Five. Frank.   Because, each time the Palestinian territories got smaller and smaller.   The last serious attempt at two state solution was the Oslo Accord.   And if you read the details here  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords Basically, in terms of security.  The new state of Palestine is only allowed a police force.  Its still very restricted in who they can trade or communicate with.  They will still be under Israeli control on travel.  So in effect, a small colonial state.  And even with that much concession, guess what happened?   PM Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated by ultra right wing terrorists in Israel.  And Yasser Arafat?  Swiss medical experts believed that he died of Polonium poisoning.  And I agree with you on the occupied territories.  They are occupied.  Would YOU trust the Pallos with their history, their connections to and support from Iran, Syria, Qatar etc to have full freedom to operate unchecked from the get go? Of course you wouldn't. NOBODY would. The buggers were expelled from Jordan and Lebanon, supposed friendlies, for being ****ing insufferable arseholes. An unchecked Palestinian State would be an instant proxy and launching pad for Iran and ISIS.  I simply do not believe that you are merely naive and unaware of all this.  So you are , I'm afraid, talking bizarre shite knowingly.

You are naïve to think that there is a military solution to this crisis.  This cycle of violence and killing is going to lead to Hamas 2.0, Hamas 3.0 and more in to the future.   Israel will not be any safer even if they killed the entire Gazan population. 

One thing that needs to be understood: is that the migration of an urbanised multi-ethnic eurocentric population, with a religious collective identity, into a Middle Eastern land with an Arab, Semitic, agrarian population, was not likely to end well and by 1939 it was obvious that peaceful co-existence of two peoples in one land united in their monotheistic beliefs would never happen.

Neither side has ever had their collective hearts in it.

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:29pm:

You are naïve to think that there is a military solution to this crisis.  This cycle of violence and killing is going to lead to Hamas 2.0, Hamas 3.0 and more in to the future.

That's true.

The land in dispute will only support one of the two peoples and the struggle will continue until only one people is left standing.

Fact: Jews will live with Muslims but few Muslims want to live with Jews.

Interesting how the left have aligned themselves with people who espouse views that would make a nazi blush.

Gordon wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:37pm:

Fact: Jews will live with Muslims but few Muslims want to live with Jews.

Jewish-Israelis generally do not like Arab-Israelis, even less Arabs in general. They don't particularly appreciate hearing Arabic spoken in Israel and definitely do not appreciate the Temple Mount being an Islamic holy site.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:42pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 6:37pm: Fact: Jews will live with Muslims but few Muslims want to live with Jews. Jewish-Israelis generally do not like Arab-Israelis, even less Arabs in general. They don't particularly appreciate hearing Arabic spoken in Israel and definitely do not appreciate the Temple Mount being an Islamic holy site.

Stop editorialising.
Arabs are 20% of the population, 10% of parliament, earn proportional amount of masters degrees etc etc.

Show me the parallel of this for Jews in a Muslim country.

Oh another hilarious thing, Israeli arabs have more freedom of speech in Israel than in ANY ARAB COUNTRY.

Gordon wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:58pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 6:42pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 6:37pm: Fact: Jews will live with Muslims but few Muslims want to live with Jews. Jewish-Israelis generally do not like Arab-Israelis, even less Arabs in general. They don't particularly appreciate hearing Arabic spoken in Israel and definitely do not appreciate the Temple Mount being an Islamic holy site. Stop editorialising. Arabs are 20% of the population, 10% of parliament, earn proportional amount of masters degrees etc etc. Show me the parallel of this for Jews in a Muslim country. Oh another hilarious thing, Israeli arabs have more freedom of speech in Israel than in ANY ARAB COUNTRY.

Arab-Israelis only exist in Israel by an accident of location when Israel was established - it was not by design of those migrated Jews into Palestine.

And don't imagine that Orthodox Jews have given up on the idea of establishing the Third Temple.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 7:13pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 6:58pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 6:42pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 6:37pm: Fact: Jews will live with Muslims but few Muslims want to live with Jews. Jewish-Israelis generally do not like Arab-Israelis, even less Arabs in general. They don't particularly appreciate hearing Arabic spoken in Israel and definitely do not appreciate the Temple Mount being an Islamic holy site. Stop editorialising. Arabs are 20% of the population, 10% of parliament, earn proportional amount of masters degrees etc etc. Show me the parallel of this for Jews in a Muslim country. Oh another hilarious thing, Israeli arabs have more freedom of speech in Israel than in ANY ARAB COUNTRY. Arab-Israelis only exist in Israel by an accident of location when Israel was established - it was not by design of those migrated Jews into Palestine. And don't imagine that Orthodox Jews have given up on the idea of establishing the Third Temple.

Show me the parallel of this for Jews in a Muslim country.

Egypt?

In the 1950s, Egypt began to expel its Jewish population (estimated at between 75,000 and 80,000 in 1948), also sequestering Jewish-owned property at this time. As of 2016, the president of Cairo's Jewish community said that there were 6 Jews in Cairo, all women over age 65, and 12 Jews in Alexandria.

Syria

It was estimated in November 2015 that only 18 Jews remain in Syria.[8] In September 2016, the last Jews of Aleppo were rescued, ending the Jewish presence in Aleppo.[8] In August 2019, BBC Arabic visited some of the last remaining Jews living in Damascus

Iraq

Iraq's Jewish community dwindles to fewer than five

Gordon wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 7:18pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 7:13pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 6:58pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 6:42pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 6:37pm: Fact: Jews will live with Muslims but few Muslims want to live with Jews. Jewish-Israelis generally do not like Arab-Israelis, even less Arabs in general. They don't particularly appreciate hearing Arabic spoken in Israel and definitely do not appreciate the Temple Mount being an Islamic holy site. Stop editorialising. Arabs are 20% of the population, 10% of parliament, earn proportional amount of masters degrees etc etc. Show me the parallel of this for Jews in a Muslim country. Oh another hilarious thing, Israeli arabs have more freedom of speech in Israel than in ANY ARAB COUNTRY. Arab-Israelis only exist in Israel by an accident of location when Israel was established - it was not by design of those migrated Jews into Palestine. And don't imagine that Orthodox Jews have given up on the idea of establishing the Third Temple. Show me the parallel of this for Jews in a Muslim country.

Given Jews are covered by Israel's Law Of Return - which applies only to Jews, nearly all Jews in Muslim countries have migrated to Israel.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 7:27pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 7:18pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 7:13pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 6:58pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 6:42pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 6:37pm: Fact: Jews will live with Muslims but few Muslims want to live with Jews. Jewish-Israelis generally do not like Arab-Israelis, even less Arabs in general. They don't particularly appreciate hearing Arabic spoken in Israel and definitely do not appreciate the Temple Mount being an Islamic holy site. Stop editorialising. Arabs are 20% of the population, 10% of parliament, earn proportional amount of masters degrees etc etc. Show me the parallel of this for Jews in a Muslim country. Oh another hilarious thing, Israeli arabs have more freedom of speech in Israel than in ANY ARAB COUNTRY. Arab-Israelis only exist in Israel by an accident of location when Israel was established - it was not by design of those migrated Jews into Palestine. And don't imagine that Orthodox Jews have given up on the idea of establishing the Third Temple. Show me the parallel of this for Jews in a Muslim country. Given Jews are covered by Israel's Law Of Return - which applies only to Jews, nearly all Jews in Muslim countries have migrated to Israel.

After expulsion and death threats

Gordon wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 7:28pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 7:27pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 7:18pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 7:13pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 6:58pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 6:42pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 6:37pm: Fact: Jews will live with Muslims but few Muslims want to live with Jews. Jewish-Israelis generally do not like Arab-Israelis, even less Arabs in general. They don't particularly appreciate hearing Arabic spoken in Israel and definitely do not appreciate the Temple Mount being an Islamic holy site. Stop editorialising. Arabs are 20% of the population, 10% of parliament, earn proportional amount of masters degrees etc etc. Show me the parallel of this for Jews in a Muslim country. Oh another hilarious thing, Israeli arabs have more freedom of speech in Israel than in ANY ARAB COUNTRY. Arab-Israelis only exist in Israel by an accident of location when Israel was established - it was not by design of those migrated Jews into Palestine. And don't imagine that Orthodox Jews have given up on the idea of establishing the Third Temple. Show me the parallel of this for Jews in a Muslim country. Given Jews are covered by Israel's Law Of Return - which applies only to Jews, nearly all Jews in Muslim countries have migrated to Israel. After expulsion and death threats

Sometimes, often, even.

But certainly for security reasons - particularly after 1948.

Of course, the whole reason for migration out of Europe becomming as urgent as it became, was not because of Muslim oppression, but because of European oppression, expulsions, pogroms and mass murders of Jews.

How many European countries can you name that did not discriminate, expel or murder Jews at some time in their history?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 7:32pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 7:28pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 7:27pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 7:18pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 7:13pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 6:58pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 6:42pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 6:37pm: Fact: Jews will live with Muslims but few Muslims want to live with Jews. Jewish-Israelis generally do not like Arab-Israelis, even less Arabs in general. They don't particularly appreciate hearing Arabic spoken in Israel and definitely do not appreciate the Temple Mount being an Islamic holy site. Stop editorialising. Arabs are 20% of the population, 10% of parliament, earn proportional amount of masters degrees etc etc. Show me the parallel of this for Jews in a Muslim country. Oh another hilarious thing, Israeli arabs have more freedom of speech in Israel than in ANY ARAB COUNTRY. Arab-Israelis only exist in Israel by an accident of location when Israel was established - it was not by design of those migrated Jews into Palestine. And don't imagine that Orthodox Jews have given up on the idea of establishing the Third Temple. Show me the parallel of this for Jews in a Muslim country. Given Jews are covered by Israel's Law Of Return - which applies only to Jews, nearly all Jews in Muslim countries have migrated to Israel. After expulsion and death threats Sometimes, often, even. But certainly for security reasons - particularly after 1948. Of course, the whole reason for migration out of Europe becomming as urgent as it became, was not because of Muslim oppression, but because of European oppression, expulsions, pogroms and mass murders of Jews. How many European countries can you name that did not discriminate, expel or murder Jews at some time in their history?

Denmark. Sweden. Norway. Holland.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 7:32pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 7:28pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 7:27pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 7:18pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 7:13pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 6:58pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 6:42pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 6:37pm: Fact: Jews will live with Muslims but few Muslims want to live with Jews. Jewish-Israelis generally do not like Arab-Israelis, even less Arabs in general. They don't particularly appreciate hearing Arabic spoken in Israel and definitely do not appreciate the Temple Mount being an Islamic holy site. Stop editorialising. Arabs are 20% of the population, 10% of parliament, earn proportional amount of masters degrees etc etc. Show me the parallel of this for Jews in a Muslim country. Oh another hilarious thing, Israeli arabs have more freedom of speech in Israel than in ANY ARAB COUNTRY. Arab-Israelis only exist in Israel by an accident of location when Israel was established - it was not by design of those migrated Jews into Palestine. And don't imagine that Orthodox Jews have given up on the idea of establishing the Third Temple. Show me the parallel of this for Jews in a Muslim country. Given Jews are covered by Israel's Law Of Return - which applies only to Jews, nearly all Jews in Muslim countries have migrated to Israel. After expulsion and death threats Sometimes, often, even. But certainly for security reasons - particularly after 1948. Of course, the whole reason for migration out of Europe becomming as urgent as it became, was not because of Muslim oppression, but because of European oppression, expulsions, pogroms and mass murders of Jews. How many European countries can you name that did not discriminate, expel or murder Jews at some time in their history?

So we can agree whether dispersed around the world, or in one group Jews are hated and persecuted.

It makes sense they congregate in one group where they can defended themselves (very well) from masses who want them dead.

Gordon wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 7:38pm:

So we can agree whether dispersed around the world, or in one group Jews are hated and persecuted. It makes sense they congregate in one group where they can defended themselves (very well) from masses who want them dead.

Yes, it made sense to those post-war Jews and to European countries that would otherwise have been tasked with the moral responsibility of taking them in - not that hot an idea for European Jewish survivors given what European non-Jews had done to them.

Even today you will find ancestral Jew-hate in Europe.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 7:49pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 7:38pm: So we can agree whether dispersed around the world, or in one group Jews are hated and persecuted. It makes sense they congregate in one group where they can defended themselves (very well) from masses who want them dead. Yes, it made sense to those post-war Jews and to European countries that would otherwise have been tasked with the moral responsibility of taking them in - not that hot an idea for European Jewish survivors given what European non-Jews had done to them. Even today you will find ancestral Jew-hate in Europe.

That's what people need to understand. Hamas say they want to kill every last jew.
It's no secret and they're not shy about it. (At least the Nazis were kind of embarrassed about it)

When someone says they want to kill you, and try several times and you fight back with superior ability, don't cry for the people that started it.

Gordon wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 7:56pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 7:49pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 7:38pm: So we can agree whether dispersed around the world, or in one group Jews are hated and persecuted. It makes sense they congregate in one group where they can defended themselves (very well) from masses who want them dead. Yes, it made sense to those post-war Jews and to European countries that would otherwise have been tasked with the moral responsibility of taking them in - not that hot an idea for European Jewish survivors given what European non-Jews had done to them. Even today you will find ancestral Jew-hate in Europe. That's what people need to understand. Hamas say they want to kill every last jew. It's no secret and they're not shy about it. (At least the Nazis were kind of embarrassed about it) When someone says they want to kill you, and try several times and you fight back with superior ability, don't cry for the people that started it.

All European countries had a bash at murdering, or at least expelling, their Jewish communities at some point in their histories and none was embarrassed about it at the time.

Even the great protestant reformer, Martin Luther, had a lot to say about ridding Europe of Jews.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 7:59pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 7:56pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 7:49pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 7:38pm: So we can agree whether dispersed around the world, or in one group Jews are hated and persecuted. It makes sense they congregate in one group where they can defended themselves (very well) from masses who want them dead. Yes, it made sense to those post-war Jews and to European countries that would otherwise have been tasked with the moral responsibility of taking them in - not that hot an idea for European Jewish survivors given what European non-Jews had done to them. Even today you will find ancestral Jew-hate in Europe. That's what people need to understand. Hamas say they want to kill every last jew. It's no secret and they're not shy about it. (At least the Nazis were kind of embarrassed about it) When someone says they want to kill you, and try several times and you fight back with superior ability, don't cry for the people that started it. All European countries had a bash at murdering, or at least expelling, their Jewish communities at some point in their histories and none were embarrassed about it at the time. Even the great protestant reformer, Martin Luther, had a lot to say about ridding Europe of Jews.

That's why the western lefty faux support for Palestine is just a long remembered itch to hate jews. They probably don't even know why.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 7:27pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 7:18pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 7:13pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 6:58pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 6:42pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 6:37pm: Fact: Jews will live with Muslims but few Muslims want to live with Jews. Jewish-Israelis generally do not like Arab-Israelis, even less Arabs in general. They don't particularly appreciate hearing Arabic spoken in Israel and definitely do not appreciate the Temple Mount being an Islamic holy site. Stop editorialising. Arabs are 20% of the population, 10% of parliament, earn proportional amount of masters degrees etc etc. Show me the parallel of this for Jews in a Muslim country. Oh another hilarious thing, Israeli arabs have more freedom of speech in Israel than in ANY ARAB COUNTRY. Arab-Israelis only exist in Israel by an accident of location when Israel was established - it was not by design of those migrated Jews into Palestine. And don't imagine that Orthodox Jews have given up on the idea of establishing the Third Temple. Show me the parallel of this for Jews in a Muslim country. Given Jews are covered by Israel's Law Of Return - which applies only to Jews, nearly all Jews in Muslim countries have migrated to Israel.

Nice effort at turd polishing. They were kicked out of middle eastern countries just after the holocaust.

Frank wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 7:35pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 7:32pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 7:28pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 7:27pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 7:18pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 7:13pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 6:58pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 6:42pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 13th, 2023 at 6:37pm: Fact: Jews will live with Muslims but few Muslims want to live with Jews. Jewish-Israelis generally do not like Arab-Israelis, even less Arabs in general. They don't particularly appreciate hearing Arabic spoken in Israel and definitely do not appreciate the Temple Mount being an Islamic holy site. Stop editorialising. Arabs are 20% of the population, 10% of parliament, earn proportional amount of masters degrees etc etc. Show me the parallel of this for Jews in a Muslim country. Oh another hilarious thing, Israeli arabs have more freedom of speech in Israel than in ANY ARAB COUNTRY. Arab-Israelis only exist in Israel by an accident of location when Israel was established - it was not by design of those migrated Jews into Palestine. And don't imagine that Orthodox Jews have given up on the idea of establishing the Third Temple. Show me the parallel of this for Jews in a Muslim country. Given Jews are covered by Israel's Law Of Return - which applies only to Jews, nearly all Jews in Muslim countries have migrated to Israel. After expulsion and death threats Sometimes, often, even. But certainly for security reasons - particularly after 1948. Of course, the whole reason for migration out of Europe becomming as urgent as it became, was not because of Muslim oppression, but because of European oppression, expulsions, pogroms and mass murders of Jews. How many European countries can you name that did not discriminate, expel or murder Jews at some time in their history? Denmark. Sweden. Norway. Holland.

Netherlands - Jews were persecuted for 'causing' the Black Death.

As for Denmark. Sweden and Norway - Scandinavia... Like an old woman's minge... everybody knows where it is, but nobody wants to go there... Seems the Jews thought so too.