Are Israel, given the last three weeks of systemic destruction of everything and everyone Palestinian, any better than the Nazis they've spent the last 70 yrs crying about?

I say no. The only difference is they are using bombs where as the Nazis used gas.

poll added

That leads to a dangerous question.

If Israel is no better than the Nazis, was Australia no better than the Nazis for collaborating and supporting the disproportionate killing of German civilians during WW2?

stick to one topic at a time. The nazis, the 'axis of evil', tried to exterminate the jews. Israel now is trying to exterminate Palestinians. Are they any different?

I think it's hard to argue that they are. Both have the same goal.

Hi John,

what is the final solution of the Palestinian question?



Your poll question makes no sense - use English grammar.

Question: Are Israell and better than Nazis?      :-/

Aussie has a final solution. I wonder if John and Greg and Karnal agree with it.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 1:35pm:

Your poll question makes no sense - use English grammar. Question: Are Israell and better than Nazis?      :-/

Thats FD being a dick

That's John lying. Again.

freediver wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 1:45pm:

Aussie has a final solution. I wonder if John and Greg and Karnal agree with it.

FD,

What is the final solution of the Palestinian question?

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 1:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:35pm: Your poll question makes no sense - use English grammar. Question: Are Israell and better than Nazis?      :-/ Thats FD being a dick

Edit it you dickhead.    ::)

Yes

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 1:51pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:45pm: Aussie has a final solution. I wonder if John and Greg and Karnal agree with it. FD, What is the final solution of the Palestinian question?

Aussie's solution is to give all the Jews a free train ride to Tasmania. If any of them resist, we help the Muslims to slaughter them. Aussie hopes that his final solution will bring about not just peace in the middle east, but world peace.

freediver wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 1:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:51pm: freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:45pm: Aussie has a final solution. I wonder if John and Greg and Karnal agree with it. FD, What is the final solution of the Palestinian question? Aussie's solution is to give all the Jews a free train ride to Tasmania. If any of them resist, we help the Muslims to slaughter them. Aussie hopes that his final solution will bring about not just peace in the middle east, but world peace.

Aussie is a bit silly in his old age.

What is your solution?

freediver wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 1:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:51pm: freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:45pm: Aussie has a final solution. I wonder if John and Greg and Karnal agree with it. FD, What is the final solution of the Palestinian question? Aussie's solution is to give all the Jews a free train ride to Tasmania. If any of them resist, we help the Muslims to slaughter them. Aussie hopes that his final solution will bring about not just peace in the middle east, but world peace.

Aussie mentioned he's never actually met a Jew. How will he be able to accurately determine which ones are Jewish?

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 2:00pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:56pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:51pm: freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:45pm: Aussie has a final solution. I wonder if John and Greg and Karnal agree with it. FD, What is the final solution of the Palestinian question? Aussie's solution is to give all the Jews a free train ride to Tasmania. If any of them resist, we help the Muslims to slaughter them. Aussie hopes that his final solution will bring about not just peace in the middle east, but world peace. Aussie is a bit silly in his old age. What is your solution?

Make it absolutely clear to the Muslims that we will defend Israel and they will only harm themselves if they keep attacking it. That's about all we can do. I think we need to ramp up the pressure on Gaza every time Hamas does something evil. Like Israel cutting off the electricity they were supplying to Gaza.

The Muslims here are far closer to the Nazis, though John cannot see it. They have literally been trying to wipe out the Jews for decades. Israel was largely born out of attempts by middle eastern countries to have their own holocaust. Most of them succeeded in ethnically cleansing all of their Jewish communities, but they failed when they tried to kill them off at the end. Other than their failure to kill all the Jews, their behaviour has strong parallels with both Hitler and Muhammad.

freediver wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 2:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 2:00pm: freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:56pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:51pm: freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:45pm: Aussie has a final solution. I wonder if John and Greg and Karnal agree with it. FD, What is the final solution of the Palestinian question? Aussie's solution is to give all the Jews a free train ride to Tasmania. If any of them resist, we help the Muslims to slaughter them. Aussie hopes that his final solution will bring about not just peace in the middle east, but world peace. Aussie is a bit silly in his old age. What is your solution? Make it absolutely clear to the Muslims that we will defend Israel and they will only harm themselves if they keep attacking it. That's about all we can do. I think we need to ramp up the pressure on Gaza every time Hamas does something evil. Like Israel cutting off the electricity they were supplying to Gaza. The Muslims here are far closer to the Nazis, though John cannot see it. They have literally been trying to wipe out the Jews for decades. Israel was largely born out of attempts by middle eastern countries to have their own holocaust. Most of them succeeded in ethnically cleansing all of their Jewish communities, but they failed when they tried to kill them off at the end. Other than their failure to kill all the Jews, their behaviour has strong parallels with both Hitler and Muhammad.

It's a bit late.


Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei  is gunna starve all the Jews.

https://www.rt.com/news/586363-iran-supreme-leader-israel-oil-food-embargo/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=RSS

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 2:12pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 2:08pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 2:00pm: freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:56pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:51pm: freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:45pm: Aussie has a final solution. I wonder if John and Greg and Karnal agree with it. FD, What is the final solution of the Palestinian question? Aussie's solution is to give all the Jews a free train ride to Tasmania. If any of them resist, we help the Muslims to slaughter them. Aussie hopes that his final solution will bring about not just peace in the middle east, but world peace. Aussie is a bit silly in his old age. What is your solution? Make it absolutely clear to the Muslims that we will defend Israel and they will only harm themselves if they keep attacking it. That's about all we can do. I think we need to ramp up the pressure on Gaza every time Hamas does something evil. Like Israel cutting off the electricity they were supplying to Gaza. The Muslims here are far closer to the Nazis, though John cannot see it. They have literally been trying to wipe out the Jews for decades. Israel was largely born out of attempts by middle eastern countries to have their own holocaust. Most of them succeeded in ethnically cleansing all of their Jewish communities, but they failed when they tried to kill them off at the end. Other than their failure to kill all the Jews, their behaviour has strong parallels with both Hitler and Muhammad. It's a bit late. Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei  is gunna starve all the Jews. https://www.rt.com/news/586363-iran-supreme-leader-israel-oil-food-embargo/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=RSS

Israel doesn't depend on religious Muslims for its energy.

Frank wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 2:32pm:

Israel doesn't depend on religious Muslims for its energy.

He will try to get all countries to stop supplying fuel and food to Israel.

His solution:  starve the Jews.

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 1:29pm:

stick to one topic at a time. The nazis, the 'axis of evil', tried to exterminate the jews. Israel now is trying to exterminate Palestinians. Are they any different? I think it's hard to argue that they are. Both have the same goal.

As did the British to German civilians with the bombing of Dresden - and Australia colluded... so... either we're all Nazis or none of us is.

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 1:14pm:

Are Israel, given the last three weeks of systemic destruction of everything and everyone Palestinian, any better than the Nazis they've spent the last 70 yrs crying about? I say no. The only difference is they are using bombs where as the Nazis used gas.

Hamas brought this war upon the Palestinian people....Now they want to negotiate whilst holding innocent people hostage....Hamas needs to be defeated and the Islamic world needs to reject extremism but it won't....Israel has every right to defend itself against terrorism....Comparing Israel to the Nazis is quite disgusting John!!!

:-? :-? :-?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 2:43pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:29pm: stick to one topic at a time. The nazis, the 'axis of evil', tried to exterminate the jews. Israel now is trying to exterminate Palestinians. Are they any different? I think it's hard to argue that they are. Both have the same goal. As did the British to German civilians with the bombing of Dresden - and Australia colluded... so... either we're all Nazis or none of us is.

So true.

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 2:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:14pm: Are Israel, given the last three weeks of systemic destruction of everything and everyone Palestinian, any better than the Nazis they've spent the last 70 yrs crying about? I say no. The only difference is they are using bombs where as the Nazis used gas. Hamas brought this war upon the Palestinian people....Now they want to negotiate whilst holding innocent people hostage....Hamas needs to be defeated and the Islamic world needs to reject extremism but it won't....Israel has every right to defend itself against terrorism....Comparing Israel to the Nazis is quite disgusting John!!! :-? :-? :-?

Agree, Pill, well said. Glad to see there is still honour in some lefties. 💪💪

Frank wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 2:49pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 2:45pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:14pm: Are Israel, given the last three weeks of systemic destruction of everything and everyone Palestinian, any better than the Nazis they've spent the last 70 yrs crying about? I say no. The only difference is they are using bombs where as the Nazis used gas. Hamas brought this war upon the Palestinian people....Now they want to negotiate whilst holding innocent people hostage....Hamas needs to be defeated and the Islamic world needs to reject extremism but it won't....Israel has every right to defend itself against terrorism....Comparing Israel to the Nazis is quite disgusting John!!! :-? :-? :-? Agree, Pill, well said. Glad to see there is still honour in some lefties. 💪💪

I am not a lefty Frank....I just call it the way I see it....Innocent Muslims are also suffering and dying because of these extremist regimes....Israel needs to stand up to terrorism and show restraint when it is possible....Hamas should be condemned no celebrated!!!

:-? :-? :-?

John is often called the lowest IQ member of OzPol due to his lack of logic, particularly when he tries to gives examples of what he thinks are two comparables, like this topic (not withstanding Are Israell and better than Nazis?

So Israel and Nazi Germany, lets see.

Jews in Germany at the Nazi rise to power, about 1%.
Jews in Germany by end of war, hard to say but effectively Zero.
How many people openly Jewish in Govt in Germany during WW2. Zero.
How many people openly Jewish in universities in Germany during WW2. Zero
Treatment of openly homosexual men in Germany during WW2, imprisonment or death.

Now for Israel.
Arab population of Israel. About 20%
Arabs graduating from Israeli university with a masters degree. About 20% of total.
Arab politicians in the Knesset, about 10%
Openly homosexual politicians in the Knesset, about 5%.

Funny thing is, if you swap the word Germany/Nazi with Palestine/Hamas, you'd get a pretty good picture of what Palestine is actually like today, so maybe the dribbling retard was just a little confused when he started this topic?

freediver wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 1:45pm:

Aussie has a final solution. I wonder if John and Greg and Karnal agree with it.

My final solution hasn't changed: stop murdering children.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 3:30pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:45pm: Aussie has a final solution. I wonder if John and Greg and Karnal agree with it. My final solution hasn't changed: stop murdering children.

Get your arse over there, take on Hamas fighters to get to the kids, lay your body over them and call out to the IDF - they won't shoot the kids... You, on the other hand... could go either way.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 3:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 3:30pm: freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:45pm: Aussie has a final solution. I wonder if John and Greg and Karnal agree with it. My final solution hasn't changed: stop murdering children. Get your arse over there, take on Hamas fighters to get to the kids, ...

That's the job of the IDF.

If they don't know how to launch a defensive attack without murdering thousands of children, they shouldn't be a defence force.

Meanwhile, conservatives refuse to acknowledge and condemn the war crimes committed by Israel.

Sad.

Gordon wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 3:25pm:

John is often called the lowest IQ member of OzPol due to his lack of logic, particularly when he tries to gives examples of what he thinks are two comparables, like this topic (not withstanding Are Israell and better than Nazis? So Israel and Nazi Germany, lets see. Jews in Germany at the Nazi rise to power, about 1%. Jews in Germany by end of war, hard to say but effectively Zero. How many people openly Jewish in Govt in Germany during WW2. Zero. How many people openly Jewish in universities in Germany during WW2. Zero Treatment of openly homosexual men in Germany during WW2, imprisonment or death. Now for Israel. Arab population of Israel. About 20% Arabs graduating from Israeli university with a masters degree. About 20% of total. Arab politicians in the Knesset, about 10% Openly homosexual politicians in the Knesset, about 5%. Funny thing is, if you swap the word Germany/Nazi with Palestine/Hamas, you'd get a pretty good picture of what Palestine is actually like today, so maybe the dribbling retard was just a little confused when he started this topic?

Titania McGrath  @TitaniaMcGrath

We keep being told there is a problem with gay rights in the Arab world.  But in the entire history of Palestine, there has NEVER been a single arrest for homophobic hate crime.

Checkmate, bigots. 💅🏻

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 3:43pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 3:37pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 3:30pm: freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:45pm: Aussie has a final solution. I wonder if John and Greg and Karnal agree with it. My final solution hasn't changed: stop murdering children. Get your arse over there, take on Hamas fighters to get to the kids, ... That's the job of the IDF. If they don't know how to launch a defensive attack without murdering thousands of children, they shouldn't be a defence force. Meanwhile, conservatives refuse to acknowledge and condemn the war crimes committed by Israel. Sad.

To those raising the Palestinian flag,

Where were you when ISIS was launched and beheaded tens of thousands of Arabs in Iraq, Libya, and Syria in the name of Islam? Why didn’t you take to the streets and raise their flags? Why didn’t you condemn the terror and call for a ”ceasefire”?

Where were you when Arab dictators and terrorists killed hundreds of thousands of Arabs in Syria and Libya? Why didn’t you take to the streets and raise their flags? Why didn’t you condemn the terror and call for a ”ceasefire”?

Where were you in the last decade when Saudi Arabia, backed by 8 Arab countries, killed 400,000 Yemenis, my own people? I didn’t see any of you take to the streets or raise the Yemeni flag. I did not see any of you condemning the terror and calling for a ”ceasefire” while Arab countries were slaughtering my own people.

This must lead to some self-reflection.

When millions of Arabs are slaughtered by other Arabs, you say nothing.

But when 7 thousand of Arabs are killed by Jews defending their right to exist, you revolt, you get angry, you storm the streets in the East and the West, you raise the Palestinian flag, you condemn the terror, you call for a ceasefire, you turn the world upside down.

Why is that?

Why were you so silent then but SO LOUD now?

Can it be that you are finally raising a flag and creating chaos because you only hate that the perpetrators are Jews?

Because you obviously don't care when millions of Arabs are killed by other Arabs.

Can it be that you storming the streets is just you venting out your hatred towards Jews? The same hatred we learned in our mosques and schools?

You speak of ”numbers and proportionality.” But by the rules of proportionality, you should not be raising Palestinian flags.

Unless, there is another agenda at play: Jew-hatred. Or as I would call it: Hatred.
https://twitter.com/JustLuai/status/1719633132242997463

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 3:43pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 3:37pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 3:30pm: freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:45pm: Aussie has a final solution. I wonder if John and Greg and Karnal agree with it. My final solution hasn't changed: stop murdering children. Get your arse over there, take on Hamas fighters to get to the kids, ... That's the job of the IDF. If they don't know how to launch a defensive attack without murdering thousands of children, they shouldn't be a defence force.

So you'd say that the Allies in WW2 were also child killers, then.

Frank wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 3:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 3:43pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 3:37pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 3:30pm: freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:45pm: Aussie has a final solution. I wonder if John and Greg and Karnal agree with it. My final solution hasn't changed: stop murdering children. Get your arse over there, take on Hamas fighters to get to the kids, ... That's the job of the IDF. If they don't know how to launch a defensive attack without murdering thousands of children, they shouldn't be a defence force. Meanwhile, conservatives refuse to acknowledge and condemn the war crimes committed by Israel. Sad. To those raising the Palestinian flag, Where were you when ISIS was launched and beheaded tens of thousands of Arabs in Iraq, Libya, and Syria in the name of Islam? Why didn’t you take to the streets and raise their flags? Why didn’t you condemn the terror and call for a ”ceasefire”? Where were you when Arab dictators and terrorists killed hundreds of thousands of Arabs in Syria and Libya? Why didn’t you take to the streets and raise their flags? Why didn’t you condemn the terror and call for a ”ceasefire”? Where were you in the last decade when Saudi Arabia, backed by 8 Arab countries, killed 400,000 Yemenis, my own people? I didn’t see any of you take to the streets or raise the Yemeni flag. I did not see any of you condemning the terror and calling for a ”ceasefire” while Arab countries were slaughtering my own people. This must lead to some self-reflection. When millions of Arabs are slaughtered by other Arabs, you say nothing. But when 7 thousand of Arabs are killed by Jews defending their right to exist, you revolt, you get angry, you storm the streets in the East and the West, you raise the Palestinian flag, you condemn the terror, you call for a ceasefire, you turn the world upside down. Why is that? Why were you so silent then but SO LOUD now? Can it be that you are finally raising a flag and creating chaos because you only hate that the perpetrators are Jews? Because you obviously don't care when millions of Arabs are killed by other Arabs. Can it be that you storming the streets is just you venting out your hatred towards Jews? The same hatred we learned in our mosques and schools? You speak of ”numbers and proportionality.” But by the rules of proportionality, you should not be raising Palestinian flags. Unless, there is another agenda at play: Jew-hatred. Or as I would call it: Hatred. https://twitter.com/JustLuai/status/1719633132242997463

yeah i think thats it  HATRED

its no coincidence the nihilistic left vibe with the palestinians


they are failures and nothing enrages a failure more then seeing someone else suceed.

donny in the white house with a hot wife makes them explode with hatred.



seeing the israelis develop a high tech economy whilst you use all your aid money on garbage and end up eating a bowl of dirt makes you explode with hatred.

i have told bobby many times to make sure he is doing some "prepping"

with the instability in russia and the ukraine and the ready availability of nukes in these places, a stones throw from iran, there is a chance (certainly higher then dying from covid) that these hateful hamas clowns set off a nuke.

its part of nihilism and being in a death cult.

if they do , there goes global oil networks, there goes food distribution in australia and bobby (along with adam bandt and dan andrews) will find themselves down at woolies in the dark trying to step thru the broken glass to get a can of baked beans.

and a 6 ft 2 sudanese apex gang menber will be there telling them thats not going to happen.

the truth is , the conservative farmers , we'll be fine
and the leftie intellectual inner city marshnallows are going to be screwed.

mothra will be there at woolies, along with gweggy and fisk and they will be wailing like palestinians women in front of a BBC camera crew

if you give off nothing but low vibration energy, the world descends into low vibration energy and you  will end up there yourself.

you reap as you sew, hopefully the lefties are aware of this concept

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 4:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 3:43pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 3:37pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 3:30pm: freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:45pm: Aussie has a final solution. I wonder if John and Greg and Karnal agree with it. My final solution hasn't changed: stop murdering children. Get your arse over there, take on Hamas fighters to get to the kids, ... That's the job of the IDF. If they don't know how to launch a defensive attack without murdering thousands of children, they shouldn't be a defence force. So you'd say that the Allies in WW2 were also child killers, then.

The allies during WW2 were worse actually.
They targeted civilian areas for no other purpose than killing people to demoralise the population, which is very different when targeting say a ball bearing factory and having collateral damage.

Every target the IDF selects is Hamas military, and Hamas deliberately using human shields results in civilian collateral damage.

freediver wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 1:50pm:

That's John lying. Again.

Quote:

Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?

thats what my poll title says. if it shows differently it's because you are being a dick

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 1:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:46pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:35pm: Your poll question makes no sense - use English grammar. Question: Are Israell and better than Nazis?      :-/ Thats FD being a dick Edit it you dickhead.    ::)

FMD you are a moron. FD's changed it you cretin, my thread title shows  'Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?'  Thats a direct copy/paste from the poll title I have on my screen now but for some reason it looks different on the page. FD is playing silly buggers because he cannot debate the topic

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 2:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:14pm: Are Israel, given the last three weeks of systemic destruction of everything and everyone Palestinian, any better than the Nazis they've spent the last 70 yrs crying about? I say no. The only difference is they are using bombs where as the Nazis used gas. Hamas brought this war upon the Palestinian people....Now they want to negotiate whilst holding innocent people hostage....Hamas needs to be defeated and the Islamic world needs to reject extremism but it won't....Israel has every right to defend itself against terrorism....Comparing Israel to the Nazis is quite disgusting John!!! :-? :-? :-?

I have no problem with bombing Hamas. But bombing innocent men women anbd children under the guise of defending against Hamas is bullshit. You don't think they should be compared to nazi's , I do. They told the civilians to head south if they didn't want to get bombed, then they bombed the area the Palestinians evacuated to.

If that's not trying to exterminate them nothing is.

freediver wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 2:08pm:

Make it absolutely clear to the Muslims that we will defend Israel and they will only harm themselves if they keep attacking it. .

by bombing innocent men, women and children that had absolutely no part in anything Hamas did?

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 4:36pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 2:45pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:14pm: Are Israel, given the last three weeks of systemic destruction of everything and everyone Palestinian, any better than the Nazis they've spent the last 70 yrs crying about? I say no. The only difference is they are using bombs where as the Nazis used gas. Hamas brought this war upon the Palestinian people....Now they want to negotiate whilst holding innocent people hostage....Hamas needs to be defeated and the Islamic world needs to reject extremism but it won't....Israel has every right to defend itself against terrorism....Comparing Israel to the Nazis is quite disgusting John!!! :-? :-? :-? I have no problem with bombing Hamas. But bombing innocent men women anbd children under the guise of defending against Hamas is bullshit. You don't think they should be compared to nazi's , I do. They told the civilians to head south if they didn't want to get bombed, then they bombed the area the Palestinians evacuated to. If that's not trying to exterminate them nothing is.

Israel should be held to account John....However you cannot negotiate with terrorists and Israel must dismantle Hamas....Israel needs to be careful or the Middle East could erupt???

:( :( :(

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 4:36pm:

I have no problem with bombing Hamas. But bombing innocent men women anbd children under the guise of defending against Hamas is bullshit. You don't think they should be compared to nazi's , I do. They told the civilians to head south if they didn't want to get bombed, then they bombed the area the Palestinians evacuated to. If that's not trying to exterminate them nothing is.

As a person of Italian descent, I'm guessing you'd appreciate that the only way to dislodge the Italian fascists, and Il Duce, from power during WW2, was to attack Fascist forces, and risk, and cause, civilian deaths on the Italian peninsula.

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 5:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 4:36pm: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 2:45pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:14pm: Are Israel, given the last three weeks of systemic destruction of everything and everyone Palestinian, any better than the Nazis they've spent the last 70 yrs crying about? I say no. The only difference is they are using bombs where as the Nazis used gas. Hamas brought this war upon the Palestinian people....Now they want to negotiate whilst holding innocent people hostage....Hamas needs to be defeated and the Islamic world needs to reject extremism but it won't....Israel has every right to defend itself against terrorism....Comparing Israel to the Nazis is quite disgusting John!!! :-? :-? :-? I have no problem with bombing Hamas. But bombing innocent men women anbd children under the guise of defending against Hamas is bullshit. You don't think they should be compared to nazi's , I do. They told the civilians to head south if they didn't want to get bombed, then they bombed the area the Palestinians evacuated to. If that's not trying to exterminate them nothing is. Israel should be held to account John....However you cannot negotiate with terrorists and Israel must dismantle Hamas....Israel needs to be careful or the Middle East could erupt??? :( :( :(

It's actually people like Smith who are responsible for the deaths of innocent Palestinians.

Hamas is not equal militarily to Israel, and the only reason they attack is to illicit a response then go hide under the skirts (burkas) of their women and behind their children, so when the inevitable response comes, in a way every nation on earth would respond, it's a given that women and children will be collateral damage.

Hamas WANT this collateral damage to parade on the world stage.

The more outrage from the John Smiths of the world, the more they will do it and the more Palestinian women and children will die.

One thing that we must keep paramount in our minds with regard to uber-religious zealots like Hamas, is that the deaths of children is not a tragedy as it is with us non-zealots - for them, it's an honour as both the zealots and the children are guaranteed by Allah a place and eternal life in Paradise.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 5:24pm:

One thing that we must keep paramount in our minds with regard to uber-religious zealots like Hamas, is that the deaths of children is not a tragedy as it is with us non-zealots - for them, it's an honour as both the zealots and the children are guaranteed by Allah a place and eternal life in Paradise.

The promise of an afterlife in most religions is to provide comfort for the relatives of the departed and an inducement to behave while alive.

A flaw in Islam is the afterlife is sold as preferable to being alive.

freediver wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 2:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 2:00pm: freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:56pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:51pm: freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:45pm: Aussie has a final solution. I wonder if John and Greg and Karnal agree with it. FD, What is the final solution of the Palestinian question? Aussie's solution is to give all the Jews a free train ride to Tasmania. If any of them resist, we help the Muslims to slaughter them. Aussie hopes that his final solution will bring about not just peace in the middle east, but world peace. Aussie is a bit silly in his old age. What is your solution? Make it absolutely clear to the Muslims that we will defend Israel and they will only harm themselves if they keep attacking it. That's about all we can do. I think we need to ramp up the pressure on Gaza every time Hamas does something evil. Like Israel cutting off the electricity they were supplying to Gaza. The Muslims here are far closer to the Nazis, though John cannot see it. They have literally been trying to wipe out the Jews for decades. Israel was largely born out of attempts by middle eastern countries to have their own holocaust. Most of them succeeded in ethnically cleansing all of their Jewish communities, but they failed when they tried to kill them off at the end. Other than their failure to kill all the Jews, their behaviour has strong parallels with both Hitler and Muhammad.

Make it absolutely clear to the Muslims that we will defend Israel.

That hasn't worked for 75 years.    :-/

Gordon wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 5:42pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 5:24pm: One thing that we must keep paramount in our minds with regard to uber-religious zealots like Hamas, is that the deaths of children is not a tragedy as it is with us non-zealots - for them, it's an honour as both the zealots and the children are guaranteed by Allah a place and eternal life in Paradise. The promise of an afterlife in most religions is to provide comfort for the relatives of the departed and an inducement to behave while alive. A flaw in Islam is the afterlife is sold as preferable to being alive.

How could you know it's a flaw unless you've experienced the afterlife for yourself?

Gordon wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 5:42pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 5:24pm: One thing that we must keep paramount in our minds with regard to uber-religious zealots like Hamas, is that the deaths of children is not a tragedy as it is with us non-zealots - for them, it's an honour as both the zealots and the children are guaranteed by Allah a place and eternal life in Paradise. The promise of an afterlife in most religions is to provide comfort for the relatives of the departed and an inducement to behave while alive. A flaw in Islam is the afterlife is sold as preferable to being alive.

The promise of an afterlife, in all religions that postulate it, is a personal reward for a life 'righteously lived'.

In the Abrahamic traditions of both Christianity and Islam, the promise of a paradisical afterlife is predicated on that reason as, similarly, the promise of an agonising afterlife is guaranteed for a life not righteously lived.

Judaism has nothing to say about an afterlife.

In Eastern religions that include reincarnation, karma (the sum-total valency of all life actions), determines whether the next afterlife will be an advancement or a relegation within samsara - the earthly cycle of life.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 5:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 4:36pm: I have no problem with bombing Hamas. But bombing innocent men women anbd children under the guise of defending against Hamas is bullshit. You don't think they should be compared to nazi's , I do. They told the civilians to head south if they didn't want to get bombed, then they bombed the area the Palestinians evacuated to. If that's not trying to exterminate them nothing is. As a person of Italian descent, I'm guessing you'd appreciate that the only way to dislodge the Italian fascists, and Il Duce, from power during WW2, was to attack Fascist forces, and risk, and cause, civilian deaths on the Italian peninsula.

if you ask the question are the Italians better then the nazis, then in africa circa 1942, they most definitely werent. 

It's easy to condemn foreigners when they're faced with the consequences of responses to existential threats, until you realise that your own people, throughout their history, have faced the same consequences of the same responses to the same existential threats.

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 4:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:52pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:46pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:35pm: Your poll question makes no sense - use English grammar. Question: Are Israell and better than Nazis?      :-/ Thats FD being a dick Edit it you dickhead.    ::) FMD you are a moron. FD's changed it you cretin, my thread title shows  'Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?'  Thats a direct copy/paste from the poll title I have on my screen now but for some reason it looks different on the page. FD is playing silly buggers because he cannot debate the topic

You as the originator can still edit it.  tsk  tsk   ::)   ::)

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:00pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 4:33pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:52pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:46pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:35pm: Your poll question makes no sense - use English grammar. Question: Are Israell and better than Nazis?      :-/ Thats FD being a dick Edit it you dickhead.    ::) FMD you are a moron. FD's changed it you cretin, my thread title shows  'Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?'  Thats a direct copy/paste from the poll title I have on my screen now but for some reason it looks different on the page. FD is playing silly buggers because he cannot debate the topic You as the originator can still edit it.  tsk  tsk   ::)   ::)

Are you telling Mimo he's not a victim? How dare you!

Setanta wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:03pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:00pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 4:33pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:52pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:46pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:35pm: Your poll question makes no sense - use English grammar. Question: Are Israell and better than Nazis?      :-/ Thats FD being a dick Edit it you dickhead.    ::) FMD you are a moron. FD's changed it you cretin, my thread title shows  'Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?'  Thats a direct copy/paste from the poll title I have on my screen now but for some reason it looks different on the page. FD is playing silly buggers because he cannot debate the topic You as the originator can still edit it.  tsk  tsk   ::)   ::) Are you telling Mimo he's not a victim? How dare you!

He learnt victimhood from Mothra and Monk.

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 5:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 4:36pm: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 2:45pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:14pm: Are Israel, given the last three weeks of systemic destruction of everything and everyone Palestinian, any better than the Nazis they've spent the last 70 yrs crying about? I say no. The only difference is they are using bombs where as the Nazis used gas. Hamas brought this war upon the Palestinian people....Now they want to negotiate whilst holding innocent people hostage....Hamas needs to be defeated and the Islamic world needs to reject extremism but it won't....Israel has every right to defend itself against terrorism....Comparing Israel to the Nazis is quite disgusting John!!! :-? :-? :-? I have no problem with bombing Hamas. But bombing innocent men women anbd children under the guise of defending against Hamas is bullshit. You don't think they should be compared to nazi's , I do. They told the civilians to head south if they didn't want to get bombed, then they bombed the area the Palestinians evacuated to. If that's not trying to exterminate them nothing is. Israel should be held to account John....However you cannot negotiate with terrorists and Israel must dismantle Hamas....Israel needs to be careful or the Middle East could erupt??? :( :( :(

Killing almost 4000 kids plus the other family members doesn't eliminate terrorism,  it merely creates future terrorists

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 5:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 4:36pm: I have no problem with bombing Hamas. But bombing innocent men women anbd children under the guise of defending against Hamas is bullshit. You don't think they should be compared to nazi's , I do. They told the civilians to head south if they didn't want to get bombed, then they bombed the area the Palestinians evacuated to. If that's not trying to exterminate them nothing is. As a person of Italian descent, I'm guessing you'd appreciate that the only way to dislodge the Italian fascists, and Il Duce, from power during WW2, was to attack Fascist forces, and risk, and cause, civilian deaths on the Italian peninsula.

We're not in 1940.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 5:24pm:

One thing that we must keep paramount in our minds with regard to uber-religious zealots like Hamas, is that the deaths of children is not a tragedy as it is with us non-zealots - for them, it's an honour as both the zealots and the children are guaranteed by Allah a place and eternal life in Paradise.

It's not hamas dropping bombs on kids

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 5:15pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 4:36pm: I have no problem with bombing Hamas. But bombing innocent men women anbd children under the guise of defending against Hamas is bullshit. You don't think they should be compared to nazi's , I do. They told the civilians to head south if they didn't want to get bombed, then they bombed the area the Palestinians evacuated to. If that's not trying to exterminate them nothing is. As a person of Italian descent, I'm guessing you'd appreciate that the only way to dislodge the Italian fascists, and Il Duce, from power during WW2, was to attack Fascist forces, and risk, and cause, civilian deaths on the Italian peninsula. We're not in 1940.

You don't seriously believe that 83 years changes the context of moral choices, surely.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:00pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 4:33pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:52pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:46pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:35pm: Your poll question makes no sense - use English grammar. Question: Are Israell and better than Nazis?      :-/ Thats FD being a dick Edit it you dickhead.    ::) FMD you are a moron. FD's changed it you cretin, my thread title shows  'Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?'  Thats a direct copy/paste from the poll title I have on my screen now but for some reason it looks different on the page. FD is playing silly buggers because he cannot debate the topic You as the originator can still edit it.  tsk  tsk   ::)   ::)

Christ on a stick you're a dead set moron.  There's nothing to edit when I open it, it reads as it's supposed to. 

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:06pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 5:15pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 4:36pm: I have no problem with bombing Hamas. But bombing innocent men women anbd children under the guise of defending against Hamas is bullshit. You don't think they should be compared to nazi's , I do. They told the civilians to head south if they didn't want to get bombed, then they bombed the area the Palestinians evacuated to. If that's not trying to exterminate them nothing is. As a person of Italian descent, I'm guessing you'd appreciate that the only way to dislodge the Italian fascists, and Il Duce, from power during WW2, was to attack Fascist forces, and risk, and cause, civilian deaths on the Italian peninsula. We're not in 1940. You don't seriously believe that 83 years changes the context of moral choices, surely.

No, but  it  does change the realms of possibilities. 

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:07pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 5:24pm: One thing that we must keep paramount in our minds with regard to uber-religious zealots like Hamas, is that the deaths of children is not a tragedy as it is with us non-zealots - for them, it's an honour as both the zealots and the children are guaranteed by Allah a place and eternal life in Paradise. It's not hamas dropping bombs on kids

Hamas are using civilians as shields and obstacles to IDF victory, as the Taliban did with the US and allies in Afghanistan.

Not all cultures value children's lives above religious zeal.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:07pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 5:24pm: One thing that we must keep paramount in our minds with regard to uber-religious zealots like Hamas, is that the deaths of children is not a tragedy as it is with us non-zealots - for them, it's an honour as both the zealots and the children are guaranteed by Allah a place and eternal life in Paradise. It's not hamas dropping bombs on kids Hamas are using civilians as shields and obstacles to IDF victory, as the Taliban did with the US and allies in Afghanistan. Not all cultures value children's lives above religious zeal.

So if some murderous dickhead held some school kids in Sydney hostage you'd be OK with bombing the school to kill him. What the bugger is wrong with you people? Israel knows who to target,  and they have the ability to get them.  It'll take longer sure, and it won't result in killing innocent bystanders. For some reason,  they can't have that.  They seem determined to kill as many innocent people as possible

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:00pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 4:33pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:52pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:46pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:35pm: Your poll question makes no sense - use English grammar. Question: Are Israell and better than Nazis?      :-/ Thats FD being a dick Edit it you dickhead.    ::) FMD you are a moron. FD's changed it you cretin, my thread title shows  'Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?'  Thats a direct copy/paste from the poll title I have on my screen now but for some reason it looks different on the page. FD is playing silly buggers because he cannot debate the topic You as the originator can still edit it.  tsk  tsk   ::)   ::) Christ on a stick you're a dead set moron.  There's nothing to edit when I open it, it reads as it's supposed to.

Seriously, you're the moron, as per usual, you made the poll you can edit it. Calling others morons at this stage of your victimhood is not a good look.

Setanta wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:11pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:00pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 4:33pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:52pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:46pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:35pm: Your poll question makes no sense - use English grammar. Question: Are Israell and better than Nazis?      :-/ Thats FD being a dick Edit it you dickhead.    ::) FMD you are a moron. FD's changed it you cretin, my thread title shows  'Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?'  Thats a direct copy/paste from the poll title I have on my screen now but for some reason it looks different on the page. FD is playing silly buggers because he cannot debate the topic You as the originator can still edit it.  tsk  tsk   ::)   ::) Christ on a stick you're a dead set moron.  There's nothing to edit when I open it, it reads as it's supposed to.  Seriously, you're the moron, as per usual, you made the poll you can edit it. Calling others morons at this stage of your victimhood is not a good look.

Go have another beer choochoo

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:11pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:08pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:06pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 5:15pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 4:36pm: I have no problem with bombing Hamas. But bombing innocent men women anbd children under the guise of defending against Hamas is bullshit. You don't think they should be compared to nazi's , I do. They told the civilians to head south if they didn't want to get bombed, then they bombed the area the Palestinians evacuated to. If that's not trying to exterminate them nothing is. As a person of Italian descent, I'm guessing you'd appreciate that the only way to dislodge the Italian fascists, and Il Duce, from power during WW2, was to attack Fascist forces, and risk, and cause, civilian deaths on the Italian peninsula. We're not in 1940. You don't seriously believe that 83 years changes the context of moral choices, surely. No, but  it  does change the realms of possibilities.

Does it? How?

The Allies invaded the Italian peninsula knowing that civilian casualties were certain.

How could the IDF do any better a job at minimising civilian deaths than the Allies did, bearing in mind that there were many soldiers of Italian descent in the Allied forces?

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:00pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 4:33pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:52pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:46pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:35pm: Your poll question makes no sense - use English grammar. Question: Are Israell and better than Nazis?      :-/ Thats FD being a dick Edit it you dickhead.    ::) FMD you are a moron. FD's changed it you cretin, my thread title shows  'Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?'  Thats a direct copy/paste from the poll title I have on my screen now but for some reason it looks different on the page. FD is playing silly buggers because he cannot debate the topic You as the originator can still edit it.  tsk  tsk   ::)   ::) Christ on a stick you're a dead set moron.  There's nothing to edit when I open it, it reads as it's supposed to.

Nonsense - you're just a dimwit.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:11pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:08pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:06pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 5:15pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 4:36pm: I have no problem with bombing Hamas. But bombing innocent men women anbd children under the guise of defending against Hamas is bullshit. You don't think they should be compared to nazi's , I do. They told the civilians to head south if they didn't want to get bombed, then they bombed the area the Palestinians evacuated to. If that's not trying to exterminate them nothing is. As a person of Italian descent, I'm guessing you'd appreciate that the only way to dislodge the Italian fascists, and Il Duce, from power during WW2, was to attack Fascist forces, and risk, and cause, civilian deaths on the Italian peninsula. We're not in 1940. You don't seriously believe that 83 years changes the context of moral choices, surely. No, but  it  does change the realms of possibilities.  Does it? How?

Do you think all the billions spent on weapons development over the years have resulted in zero net benefits?

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:21pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:11pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:08pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:06pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 5:15pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 4:36pm: I have no problem with bombing Hamas. But bombing innocent men women anbd children under the guise of defending against Hamas is bullshit. You don't think they should be compared to nazi's , I do. They told the civilians to head south if they didn't want to get bombed, then they bombed the area the Palestinians evacuated to. If that's not trying to exterminate them nothing is. As a person of Italian descent, I'm guessing you'd appreciate that the only way to dislodge the Italian fascists, and Il Duce, from power during WW2, was to attack Fascist forces, and risk, and cause, civilian deaths on the Italian peninsula. We're not in 1940. You don't seriously believe that 83 years changes the context of moral choices, surely. No, but  it  does change the realms of possibilities.  Does it? How? Do you think all the billions spent on weapons development over the years have resulted in zero net benefits?

How has weapons advancement resulted in fewer civilian casualties in urban warfare?

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:21pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:11pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:08pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:06pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 5:15pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 4:36pm: I have no problem with bombing Hamas. But bombing innocent men women anbd children under the guise of defending against Hamas is bullshit. You don't think they should be compared to nazi's , I do. They told the civilians to head south if they didn't want to get bombed, then they bombed the area the Palestinians evacuated to. If that's not trying to exterminate them nothing is. As a person of Italian descent, I'm guessing you'd appreciate that the only way to dislodge the Italian fascists, and Il Duce, from power during WW2, was to attack Fascist forces, and risk, and cause, civilian deaths on the Italian peninsula. We're not in 1940. You don't seriously believe that 83 years changes the context of moral choices, surely. No, but  it  does change the realms of possibilities.  Does it? How? Do you think all the billions spent on weapons development over the years have resulted in zero net benefits?

I haven't read about the bomb that refuses to go off if children are near.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:26pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:21pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:11pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:08pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:06pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 5:15pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 4:36pm: I have no problem with bombing Hamas. But bombing innocent men women anbd children under the guise of defending against Hamas is bullshit. You don't think they should be compared to nazi's , I do. They told the civilians to head south if they didn't want to get bombed, then they bombed the area the Palestinians evacuated to. If that's not trying to exterminate them nothing is. As a person of Italian descent, I'm guessing you'd appreciate that the only way to dislodge the Italian fascists, and Il Duce, from power during WW2, was to attack Fascist forces, and risk, and cause, civilian deaths on the Italian peninsula. We're not in 1940. You don't seriously believe that 83 years changes the context of moral choices, surely. No, but  it  does change the realms of possibilities.  Does it? How? Do you think all the billions spent on weapons development over the years have resulted in zero net benefits? How has weapons advancement resulted in fewer civilian casualties in urban warfare?

Who said it had?
In 1940 if you wanted to bomb a target you took a rough aim and prayed you got within a few hundred meters. Today you can drop a bomb  in someone's bedroom windows from 1000kms away if you wanted to, and almost never miss. They have the technology to limit collateral damage,  they just don't want to. 

Bobby. wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:25pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:11pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:00pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 4:33pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:52pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:46pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:35pm: Your poll question makes no sense - use English grammar. Question: Are Israell and better than Nazis?      :-/ Thats FD being a dick Edit it you dickhead.    ::) FMD you are a moron. FD's changed it you cretin, my thread title shows  'Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?'  Thats a direct copy/paste from the poll title I have on my screen now but for some reason it looks different on the page. FD is playing silly buggers because he cannot debate the topic You as the originator can still edit it.  tsk  tsk   ::)   ::) Christ on a stick you're a dead set moron.  There's nothing to edit when I open it, it reads as it's supposed to.  Nonsense - you're just a dimwit.

Come on, you know it's not Mimo's fault! He's a victim of FD, it's just a conspiracy to make him look foolish.

Setanta wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:33pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:26pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:21pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:11pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:08pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:06pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 5:15pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 4:36pm: I have no problem with bombing Hamas. But bombing innocent men women anbd children under the guise of defending against Hamas is bullshit. You don't think they should be compared to nazi's , I do. They told the civilians to head south if they didn't want to get bombed, then they bombed the area the Palestinians evacuated to. If that's not trying to exterminate them nothing is. As a person of Italian descent, I'm guessing you'd appreciate that the only way to dislodge the Italian fascists, and Il Duce, from power during WW2, was to attack Fascist forces, and risk, and cause, civilian deaths on the Italian peninsula. We're not in 1940. You don't seriously believe that 83 years changes the context of moral choices, surely. No, but  it  does change the realms of possibilities.  Does it? How? Do you think all the billions spent on weapons development over the years have resulted in zero net benefits? I haven't read about the bomb that refuses to go off if children are near.

But you do hear voices in your head

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:36pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:33pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:26pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:21pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:11pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:08pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:06pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 5:15pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 4:36pm: I have no problem with bombing Hamas. But bombing innocent men women anbd children under the guise of defending against Hamas is bullshit. You don't think they should be compared to nazi's , I do. They told the civilians to head south if they didn't want to get bombed, then they bombed the area the Palestinians evacuated to. If that's not trying to exterminate them nothing is. As a person of Italian descent, I'm guessing you'd appreciate that the only way to dislodge the Italian fascists, and Il Duce, from power during WW2, was to attack Fascist forces, and risk, and cause, civilian deaths on the Italian peninsula. We're not in 1940. You don't seriously believe that 83 years changes the context of moral choices, surely. No, but  it  does change the realms of possibilities.  Does it? How? Do you think all the billions spent on weapons development over the years have resulted in zero net benefits? I haven't read about the bomb that refuses to go off if children are near. But you do hear voices in your head

I do? Do you also happen to know who these voices are? Do they lie to me and tell me that bombs that don't go off near kids is bullshit?

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:35pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:28pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:26pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:21pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:11pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:08pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:06pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 5:15pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 4:36pm: I have no problem with bombing Hamas. But bombing innocent men women anbd children under the guise of defending against Hamas is bullshit. You don't think they should be compared to nazi's , I do. They told the civilians to head south if they didn't want to get bombed, then they bombed the area the Palestinians evacuated to. If that's not trying to exterminate them nothing is. As a person of Italian descent, I'm guessing you'd appreciate that the only way to dislodge the Italian fascists, and Il Duce, from power during WW2, was to attack Fascist forces, and risk, and cause, civilian deaths on the Italian peninsula. We're not in 1940. You don't seriously believe that 83 years changes the context of moral choices, surely. No, but  it  does change the realms of possibilities.  Does it? How? Do you think all the billions spent on weapons development over the years have resulted in zero net benefits? How has weapons advancement resulted in fewer civilian casualties in urban warfare? Who said it had? In 1940 if you wanted to bomb a target you took a rough aim and prayed you got within a few hundred meters. Today you can drop a bomb  in someone's bedroom windows from 1000kms away if you wanted to, and almost never miss. They have the technology to limit collateral damage,  they just don't want to.

If your enemy is shielded by civilians, never missing doesn't mean fewer civilian casualties... it could likely mean more.

The Germans and Italians during WW2 established their command centres and industrial war manufactory as close to civilians as possible in the expectation that the Allies would not bomb civilian residential areas, but they did and for that reason.

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:35pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:28pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:26pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:21pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:11pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:08pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:06pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 5:15pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 4:36pm: I have no problem with bombing Hamas. But bombing innocent men women anbd children under the guise of defending against Hamas is bullshit. You don't think they should be compared to nazi's , I do. They told the civilians to head south if they didn't want to get bombed, then they bombed the area the Palestinians evacuated to. If that's not trying to exterminate them nothing is. As a person of Italian descent, I'm guessing you'd appreciate that the only way to dislodge the Italian fascists, and Il Duce, from power during WW2, was to attack Fascist forces, and risk, and cause, civilian deaths on the Italian peninsula. We're not in 1940. You don't seriously believe that 83 years changes the context of moral choices, surely. No, but  it  does change the realms of possibilities.  Does it? How? Do you think all the billions spent on weapons development over the years have resulted in zero net benefits? How has weapons advancement resulted in fewer civilian casualties in urban warfare? Who said it had? In 1940 if you wanted to bomb a target you took a rough aim and prayed you got within a few hundred meters. Today you can drop a bomb  in someone's bedroom windows from 1000kms away if you wanted to, and almost never miss. They have the technology to limit collateral damage,  they just don't want to.

Can this bomb see through walls, floors ceilings to see who lives in the vicinity? Do the neighbours have kids?

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The Germans and Italians during WW2 established their command centres and industrial war manufactory as close to civilians as possible in the expectation that the Allies would not bomb civilian residential areas

Is there a point to this or are you just going to keep deflecting from Israel's terrorism?

If your enemy is hiding behind the skirts of civilians, you don't get a blank cheque to kill the civilians.

You find another way, or wait for a better opportunity.

The World is not going to accept wanton civilian deaths, on going.  Israel might not give a stuff, but the World will.

Even by John Smith's standards this one is stupid.

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:46pm:

Quote: The Germans and Italians during WW2 established their command centres and industrial war manufactory as close to civilians as possible in the expectation that the Allies would not bomb civilian residential areas Is there a point to this or are you just going to keep deflecting from Israel's terrorism?

The point is, that the Germans and Italians did exactly what Hamas is doing and for exactly the same reasons.

Aussie wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:46pm:

If your enemy is hiding behind the skirts of civilians, you don't get a blank cheque to kill the civilians. You find another way, and wait for a better opportunity.

While they continue to attack you from behind those skirts. If people that were out to kill my family hid behind the skirts of their women and kids, they'd all be toast.

Aussie wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:46pm:

If your enemy is hiding behind the skirts of civilians, you don't get a blank cheque to kill the civilians. You find another way, or wait for a better opportunity.

Exactly

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:46pm: Quote: The Germans and Italians during WW2 established their command centres and industrial war manufactory as close to civilians as possible in the expectation that the Allies would not bomb civilian residential areas Is there a point to this or are you just going to keep deflecting from Israel's terrorism? The point is, that the Germans and Italians did exactly what Hamas is doing and for exactly the same reasons.

I don't recall ever saying they didn't. 

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:07pm:

It's not hamas dropping bombs on kids

Hamas have hit hospitals in Gaza and Israel with their rockets.
Hamas even fired a rocket that landed in the west bank.

Over 500 rockets fired by hamas have landed in Gaza.

Over 10,000 rockets have been fired into Israel by Hamas at a rate of one every 20 seconds they are still being fired today.

How much damage would those 10,000 rockets have done if Israel didn't create the Iron Dome to intercept them?

Go to Telegram Hamas live streamed their attack on civilians that website hasn't taken videos and pics down. Have a look at what Hamas did to kids you might even find a video where Israeli forensic pathologist said they had to DNA test babies to see which head belonged to which body. Hamas beheaded children.

Aussie wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:46pm:

If your enemy is hiding behind the skirts of civilians, you don't get a blank cheque to kill the civilians. You find another way, or wait for a better opportunity. The World is not going to accept wanton civilian deaths, on going. Hamas might not give a stuff, but the World will.

You didn't make that point about the Hamas pogrom on 7 Oct.
Why?

Setanta wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:50pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:46pm: If your enemy is hiding behind the skirts of civilians, you don't get a blank cheque to kill the civilians. You find another way, and wait for a better opportunity. While they continue to attack you from behind those skirts. If people that were out to kill my family hid behind the skirts of their women and kids, they'd all be toast.

Yes I'm sure they'd be quivering in their boots at the thought of an old alcoholic hippy flapping his arms at them  :D

I would answer the poll question if it made any sense. Smithy is mongs nong.

Setanta wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:50pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:46pm: If your enemy is hiding behind the skirts of civilians, you don't get a blank cheque to kill the civilians. You find another way, and wait for a better opportunity. While they continue to attack you from behind those skirts. If people that were out to kill my family hid behind the skirts of their women and kids, they'd all be toast.

So here is your chance Setanta to dazzle us with your wonderfulness.

I hear that Hamas has some military establishment right underneath a Hospital in Gaza.  Do you bomb the poo out of the Hospital full of innocent people to get to that military target?

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:07pm: It's not hamas dropping bombs on kids Hamas have hit hospitals in Gaza and Israel with their rockets. Hamas even fired a rocket that landed in the west bank. Over 500 rockets fired by hamas have landed in Gaza. Over 10,000 rockets have been fired into Israel by Hamas at a rate of one every 20 seconds they are still being fired today. How much damage would those 10,000 rockets have done if Israel didn't create the Iron Dome to intercept them? Go to Telegram Hamas live streamed their attack on civilians that website hasn't taken videos and pics down. Have a look at what Hamas did to kids you might even find a video where Israeli forensic pathologist said they had to DNA test babies to see which head belonged to which body. Hamas beheaded children.

Yes, hamas are terrorists.  We all know  that.  But so is Israel

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:56pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:53pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:07pm: It's not hamas dropping bombs on kids Hamas have hit hospitals in Gaza and Israel with their rockets. Hamas even fired a rocket that landed in the west bank. Over 500 rockets fired by hamas have landed in Gaza. Over 10,000 rockets have been fired into Israel by Hamas at a rate of one every 20 seconds they are still being fired today. How much damage would those 10,000 rockets have done if Israel didn't create the Iron Dome to intercept them? Go to Telegram Hamas live streamed their attack on civilians that website hasn't taken videos and pics down. Have a look at what Hamas did to kids you might even find a video where Israeli forensic pathologist said they had to DNA test babies to see which head belonged to which body. Hamas beheaded children. Yes, hamas are terrorists.  We all know  that.  But so is Israel

Quote:

But so is Israel

Does look to be correct.

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:52pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:49pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:46pm: Quote: The Germans and Italians during WW2 established their command centres and industrial war manufactory as close to civilians as possible in the expectation that the Allies would not bomb civilian residential areas Is there a point to this or are you just going to keep deflecting from Israel's terrorism? The point is, that the Germans and Italians did exactly what Hamas is doing and for exactly the same reasons. I don't recall ever saying they didn't.

So, to destroy German Nazism and Italian Fascism, the Allies did what they had to do, which included accepting civilian casualties.

Should Israel necessarily be held to a higher standard than the Allies?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:59pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:52pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:49pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:46pm: Quote: The Germans and Italians during WW2 established their command centres and industrial war manufactory as close to civilians as possible in the expectation that the Allies would not bomb civilian residential areas Is there a point to this or are you just going to keep deflecting from Israel's terrorism? The point is, that the Germans and Italians did exactly what Hamas is doing and for exactly the same reasons. I don't recall ever saying they didn't.  So, to destroy German Nazism and Italian Fascism, the Allies did what they had to do, which included accepting civilian casualties, Should Israel necessarily be held to a higher standard than the Allies?

Absolutely

Aussie wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:46pm:

If your enemy is hiding behind the skirts of civilians, you don't get a blank cheque to kill the civilians. You find another way, or wait for a better opportunity. The World is not going to accept wanton civilian deaths, on going.  Israel might not give a stuff, but the World will.

You pinned a kid to a tree over a soft drink bottle thrown at a fugging stinking taxi.

Now tell us what you'd do if your relative had the 4 month old baby cut out of her belly, the feotus stabbed to death in front of her, then she was shot in the head and the rest of her kids shot.

Go on, tell us, kid pinner.

Setanta wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:50pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:46pm: If your enemy is hiding behind the skirts of civilians, you don't get a blank cheque to kill the civilians. You find another way, and wait for a better opportunity. While they continue to attack you from behind those skirts. If people that were out to kill my family hid behind the skirts of their women and kids, they'd all be toast.

They have killed about 8,800 of those children and skirts. There were under 13 Hamas members behind them. If only what you said were close to true. The numbers clearly show that your statment is not correct.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:59pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:56pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:53pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:07pm: It's not hamas dropping bombs on kids Hamas have hit hospitals in Gaza and Israel with their rockets. Hamas even fired a rocket that landed in the west bank. Over 500 rockets fired by hamas have landed in Gaza. Over 10,000 rockets have been fired into Israel by Hamas at a rate of one every 20 seconds they are still being fired today. How much damage would those 10,000 rockets have done if Israel didn't create the Iron Dome to intercept them? Go to Telegram Hamas live streamed their attack on civilians that website hasn't taken videos and pics down. Have a look at what Hamas did to kids you might even find a video where Israeli forensic pathologist said they had to DNA test babies to see which head belonged to which body. Hamas beheaded children. Yes, hamas are terrorists.  We all know  that.  But so is Israel Quote: But so is Israel Does look to be correct.

Of course it is . So far apart from stupidly pretending I'm saying things I've never said,  they haven't managed to put up much of a counter argument

Aussie wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:55pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:50pm: Aussie wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:46pm: If your enemy is hiding behind the skirts of civilians, you don't get a blank cheque to kill the civilians. You find another way, and wait for a better opportunity. While they continue to attack you from behind those skirts. If people that were out to kill my family hid behind the skirts of their women and kids, they'd all be toast. So here is your chance Setanta to dazzle us with your wonderfulness. I hear that Hamas has some military establishment right underneath a Hospital in Gaza.  Do you bomb the poo out of the Hospital full of innocent people to get to that military target?

Perhaps you bunker bust every building around it to cut the tunnels then use boots to clear the hospital itself. Of course the civilians in those building are now collateral damage but the hospital is intact. What would you do?

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:00pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:59pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:52pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:49pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:46pm: Quote: The Germans and Italians during WW2 established their command centres and industrial war manufactory as close to civilians as possible in the expectation that the Allies would not bomb civilian residential areas Is there a point to this or are you just going to keep deflecting from Israel's terrorism? The point is, that the Germans and Italians did exactly what Hamas is doing and for exactly the same reasons. I don't recall ever saying they didn't.  So, to destroy German Nazism and Italian Fascism, the Allies did what they had to do, which included accepting civilian casualties, Should Israel necessarily be held to a higher standard than the Allies? Absolutely

Why?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:00pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:59pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:52pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:49pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:46pm: Quote: The Germans and Italians during WW2 established their command centres and industrial war manufactory as close to civilians as possible in the expectation that the Allies would not bomb civilian residential areas Is there a point to this or are you just going to keep deflecting from Israel's terrorism? The point is, that the Germans and Italians did exactly what Hamas is doing and for exactly the same reasons. I don't recall ever saying they didn't.  So, to destroy German Nazism and Italian Fascism, the Allies did what they had to do, which included accepting civilian casualties, Should Israel necessarily be held to a higher standard than the Allies? Absolutely Why?

Because we now have the ability to be more selective. 

Quote:

Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis?

In general slightly - Today no.

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:04pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:00pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:59pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:52pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:49pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:46pm: Quote: The Germans and Italians during WW2 established their command centres and industrial war manufactory as close to civilians as possible in the expectation that the Allies would not bomb civilian residential areas Is there a point to this or are you just going to keep deflecting from Israel's terrorism? The point is, that the Germans and Italians did exactly what Hamas is doing and for exactly the same reasons. I don't recall ever saying they didn't.  So, to destroy German Nazism and Italian Fascism, the Allies did what they had to do, which included accepting civilian casualties, Should Israel necessarily be held to a higher standard than the Allies? Absolutely Why? Because we know have the ability to be more selective.

Unless you have a military background, I doubt you can support that.

From what I've heard/read (and intuited) about urban warfare, it's not possible to avoid civilian casualties in urban warfare. it's the toughest form of warfare... particularly when the soldier's target or the infrastructure targeted is force-shielded by civilians.

That was the tactic of the Germans and Italians in WW2... and it's the tactic of Hamas - all of them driven by ideologies that valued ideological outcomes above human life, including the lives of children.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 4:26pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 3:56pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 3:43pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 3:37pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 3:30pm: freediver wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 1:45pm: Aussie has a final solution. I wonder if John and Greg and Karnal agree with it. My final solution hasn't changed: stop murdering children. Get your arse over there, take on Hamas fighters to get to the kids, ... That's the job of the IDF. If they don't know how to launch a defensive attack without murdering thousands of children, they shouldn't be a defence force. Meanwhile, conservatives refuse to acknowledge and condemn the war crimes committed by Israel. Sad. To those raising the Palestinian flag, Where were you when ISIS was launched and beheaded tens of thousands of Arabs in Iraq, Libya, and Syria in the name of Islam? Why didn’t you take to the streets and raise their flags? Why didn’t you condemn the terror and call for a ”ceasefire”? Where were you when Arab dictators and terrorists killed hundreds of thousands of Arabs in Syria and Libya? Why didn’t you take to the streets and raise their flags? Why didn’t you condemn the terror and call for a ”ceasefire”? Where were you in the last decade when Saudi Arabia, backed by 8 Arab countries, killed 400,000 Yemenis, my own people? I didn’t see any of you take to the streets or raise the Yemeni flag. I did not see any of you condemning the terror and calling for a ”ceasefire” while Arab countries were slaughtering my own people. This must lead to some self-reflection. When millions of Arabs are slaughtered by other Arabs, you say nothing. But when 7 thousand of Arabs are killed by Jews defending their right to exist, you revolt, you get angry, you storm the streets in the East and the West, you raise the Palestinian flag, you condemn the terror, you call for a ceasefire, you turn the world upside down. Why is that? Why were you so silent then but SO LOUD now? Can it be that you are finally raising a flag and creating chaos because you only hate that the perpetrators are Jews? Because you obviously don't care when millions of Arabs are killed by other Arabs. Can it be that you storming the streets is just you venting out your hatred towards Jews? The same hatred we learned in our mosques and schools? You speak of ”numbers and proportionality.” But by the rules of proportionality, you should not be raising Palestinian flags. Unless, there is another agenda at play: Jew-hatred. Or as I would call it: Hatred. https://twitter.com/JustLuai/status/1719633132242997463 yeah i think thats it  HATRED its no coincidence the nihilistic left vibe with the palestinians they are failures and nothing enrages a failure more then seeing someone else suceed. donny in the white house with a hot wife makes them explode with hatred. seeing the israelis develop a high tech economy whilst you use all your aid money on garbage and end up eating a bowl of dirt makes you explode with hatred. i have told bobby many times to make sure he is doing some "prepping" with the instability in russia and the ukraine and the ready availability of nukes in these places, a stones throw from iran, there is a chance (certainly higher then dying from covid) that these hateful hamas clowns set off a nuke. its part of nihilism and being in a death cult. if they do , there goes global oil networks, there goes food distribution in australia and bobby (along with adam bandt and dan andrews) will find themselves down at woolies in the dark trying to step thru the broken glass to get a can of baked beans. and a 6 ft 2 sudanese apex gang menber will be there telling them thats not going to happen. the truth is , the conservative farmers , we'll be fine and the leftie intellectual inner city marshnallows are going to be screwed. mothra will be there at woolies, along with gweggy and fisk and they will be wailing like palestinians women in front of a BBC camera crew if you give off nothing but low vibration energy, the world descends into low vibration energy and you  will end up there yourself. you reap as you sew, hopefully the lefties are aware of this concept

Hate, spitting rage, is the animating spirit of the left. They cultivate it. Farm it. That is the only high energy aspect of the lefty spirit. They have so much of it you and I simply cannot imagine the depth and intensity of it. Nobody with a long view of life - 'noble conservatives' - cannot fathom it because we live in an essentially fraternal, humane world.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:12pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:06pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:04pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:00pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:59pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:52pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:49pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:46pm: Quote: The Germans and Italians during WW2 established their command centres and industrial war manufactory as close to civilians as possible in the expectation that the Allies would not bomb civilian residential areas Is there a point to this or are you just going to keep deflecting from Israel's terrorism? The point is, that the Germans and Italians did exactly what Hamas is doing and for exactly the same reasons. I don't recall ever saying they didn't.  So, to destroy German Nazism and Italian Fascism, the Allies did what they had to do, which included accepting civilian casualties, Should Israel necessarily be held to a higher standard than the Allies? Absolutely Why? Because we know have the ability to be more selective.  Unless you have a military background, I doubt you can support that.

Unless you're in the military,  I doubt you'd know either way

Frank wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:15pm:

Hate, spitting rage, is the animating spirit of the left. They cultivate it. Farm it. That is the only high energy aspect of the lefty spirit. They have so much of it you and I simply cannot imagine the depth and intensity of it. Nobody with a long view of life - 'noble conservatives' - cannot fathom it because we live in an essentially fraternal, humane world.

Winston Churchill, a conservative, justified the plight of native peoples, as a consequence of colonisation, as the inevitable consequence of 'racial superiority'...

Doesn't sound noble, fraternal or humane.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:06pm:

Quote: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis? In general slightly - Today no.

The Nazis put Jews, retards, gays and political opponents in deaths camps.
Israel targets members of a genocidal death cult who hide behind women and children, and in your feeble mind, that's the same thing.

You're a Smith level retard.

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:16pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:12pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:06pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:04pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:00pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:59pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:52pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:49pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:46pm: Quote: The Germans and Italians during WW2 established their command centres and industrial war manufactory as close to civilians as possible in the expectation that the Allies would not bomb civilian residential areas Is there a point to this or are you just going to keep deflecting from Israel's terrorism? The point is, that the Germans and Italians did exactly what Hamas is doing and for exactly the same reasons. I don't recall ever saying they didn't.  So, to destroy German Nazism and Italian Fascism, the Allies did what they had to do, which included accepting civilian casualties, Should Israel necessarily be held to a higher standard than the Allies? Absolutely Why? Because we know have the ability to be more selective.  Unless you have a military background, I doubt you can support that. Unless you're in the military,  I doubt you'd know either way

So you can't argue for a greater Israeli moral responsibility than the Allies in WW2 against the Italians, then.

Has any conservative member here acknowledged Israel's war crimes yet?

If so, have they condemned them or do they continue to celebrate the death of thousands of innocent little children?

I'm curious.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:27pm:

Has any conservative member here acknowledged Israel's war crimes yet? If so, have they condemned them or do they continue to celebrate the death of thousands of innocent little children? I'm curious.

Crimes committed are determined by courts and tribunals.

Your obsession with kids has nothing to do with Israel and Hamas.

Gordon wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:22pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:06pm: Quote: Are the Israelis any better than the Nazis? In general slightly - Today no. The Nazis put Jews, retards, gays and political opponents in deaths camps. Israel targets members of a genocidal death cult who hide behind women and children, and in your feeble mind, that's the same thing. You're a Smith level retard.

Your a Gordon.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:27pm: Has any conservative member here acknowledged Israel's war crimes yet? If so, have they condemned them or do they continue to celebrate the death of thousands of innocent little children? I'm curious. Crimes committed are determined by courts and tribunals. Your obsession with kids has nothing to do with Israel and Hamas.

Why do you celebrate and encourage the slaughter of children?

Is it a sexual fetish?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:27pm:

Has any conservative member here acknowledged Israel's war crimes yet? If so, have they condemned them or do they continue to celebrate the death of thousands of innocent little children? I'm curious.

I see the sensible position is to condemn the atrocities of both sides.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:34pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:27pm: Has any conservative member here acknowledged Israel's war crimes yet? If so, have they condemned them or do they continue to celebrate the death of thousands of innocent little children? I'm curious. Crimes committed are determined by courts and tribunals. Your obsession with kids has nothing to do with Israel and Hamas. Why do you celebrate and encourage the slaughter of children? Is it a sexual fetish?

I'd ask you that question.

Men without kids who can rant for pages about kids...

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:34pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:27pm: Has any conservative member here acknowledged Israel's war crimes yet? If so, have they condemned them or do they continue to celebrate the death of thousands of innocent little children? I'm curious. Crimes committed are determined by courts and tribunals. Your obsession with kids has nothing to do with Israel and Hamas. Why do you celebrate and encourage the slaughter of children? Is it a sexual fetish? I'd ask you that question. Men without kids who can rant for pages about kids...

And rape, don't forget the rape.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:27pm: Has any conservative member here acknowledged Israel's war crimes yet? If so, have they condemned them or do they continue to celebrate the death of thousands of innocent little children? I'm curious. I see the sensible position is to condemn the atrocities of both sides.

Indeed, which is exactly what I've done from day one (along with every other left winger here).

Strange how conservatives won't condemn Israel for slaughtering thousands of children.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:25pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:16pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:12pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:06pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:04pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:00pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:59pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:52pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:49pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:46pm: Quote: The Germans and Italians during WW2 established their command centres and industrial war manufactory as close to civilians as possible in the expectation that the Allies would not bomb civilian residential areas Is there a point to this or are you just going to keep deflecting from Israel's terrorism? The point is, that the Germans and Italians did exactly what Hamas is doing and for exactly the same reasons. I don't recall ever saying they didn't.  So, to destroy German Nazism and Italian Fascism, the Allies did what they had to do, which included accepting civilian casualties, Should Israel necessarily be held to a higher standard than the Allies? Absolutely Why? Because we know have the ability to be more selective.  Unless you have a military background, I doubt you can support that. Unless you're in the military,  I doubt you'd know either way So you can't argue for a greater Israeli moral responsibility than the Allies in WW2 against the Italians, then.

Sure I can. One doesn't need to be in the army to know about smart bombs, laser guided rockets, satellite targeting, heat sensors and a whole raft off other technology that didn't exist in 1940

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:34pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:27pm: Has any conservative member here acknowledged Israel's war crimes yet? If so, have they condemned them or do they continue to celebrate the death of thousands of innocent little children? I'm curious. Crimes committed are determined by courts and tribunals. Your obsession with kids has nothing to do with Israel and Hamas. Why do you celebrate and encourage the slaughter of children? Is it a sexual fetish? I'd ask you that question. ....

No, you can't - I don't celebrate and encourage the slaughter of children.

You do.

So, why do you celebrate and encourage the slaughter of children?

Is it a sexual fetish?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:27pm: Has any conservative member here acknowledged Israel's war crimes yet? If so, have they condemned them or do they continue to celebrate the death of thousands of innocent little children? I'm curious. Crimes committed are determined by courts and tribunals.

So unless the guy who stole from my business last week is found guilty in a court of law by a judge, he didn't steal from me? :D

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:38pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:34pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:27pm: Has any conservative member here acknowledged Israel's war crimes yet? If so, have they condemned them or do they continue to celebrate the death of thousands of innocent little children? I'm curious. I see the sensible position is to condemn the atrocities of both sides. Indeed, which is exactly what I've done from day one (along with every other left winger here). Strange how conservatives won't condemn Israel for slaughtering thousands of children.

How do you get to decide who is left or not? Perhaps if you said "along with every other extreme left winger here" you could be forgiven.

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 7:56pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:53pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:07pm: It's not hamas dropping bombs on kids Hamas have hit hospitals in Gaza and Israel with their rockets. Hamas even fired a rocket that landed in the west bank. Over 500 rockets fired by hamas have landed in Gaza. Over 10,000 rockets have been fired into Israel by Hamas at a rate of one every 20 seconds they are still being fired today. How much damage would those 10,000 rockets have done if Israel didn't create the Iron Dome to intercept them? Go to Telegram Hamas live streamed their attack on civilians that website hasn't taken videos and pics down. Have a look at what Hamas did to kids you might even find a video where Israeli forensic pathologist said they had to DNA test babies to see which head belonged to which body. Hamas beheaded children. Yes, hamas are terrorists.  We all know  that.  But so is Israel

Israel aren't terrorists.

Israel haven't done any war crimes.

Hamas are terrorists and war criminals.

I forgot to add rape is a war crime Hamas are guilty of that as well.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:27pm: Has any conservative member here acknowledged Israel's war crimes yet? If so, have they condemned them or do they continue to celebrate the death of thousands of innocent little children? I'm curious. Crimes committed are determined by courts and tribunals.

Ah.

You're saying that when Hamas attacked Israel on October 7, it wasn't actually a war crime.

So, you condone the slaughter of children by the IDF AND you condone the horrendous attack on Israel by Hamas terrorists last month.

Interesting.

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:39pm:

Quote: So you can't argue for a greater Israeli moral responsibility than the Allies in WW2 against the Italians, then. Sure I can. One doesn't need to be in the army to know about smart bombs, laser guided rockets, satellite targeting, heat sensors and a whole raft off other technology that didn't exist in 1940

That's exactly why you'd need a military background - to know how effective it is when in a battle in an urban environment - where the enemy is shielded by civilians.

What would you do if your armed enemy had a weapon aimed at you behind civilians... Would you sacrifice your life for the survival of those civilians?

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:56pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:53pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:07pm: It's not hamas dropping bombs on kids Hamas have hit hospitals in Gaza and Israel with their rockets. Hamas even fired a rocket that landed in the west bank. Over 500 rockets fired by hamas have landed in Gaza. Over 10,000 rockets have been fired into Israel by Hamas at a rate of one every 20 seconds they are still being fired today. How much damage would those 10,000 rockets have done if Israel didn't create the Iron Dome to intercept them? Go to Telegram Hamas live streamed their attack on civilians that website hasn't taken videos and pics down. Have a look at what Hamas did to kids you might even find a video where Israeli forensic pathologist said they had to DNA test babies to see which head belonged to which body. Hamas beheaded children. Yes, hamas are terrorists.  We all know  that.  But so is Israel Israel aren't terrorists. Israel haven't done any war crimes. Hamas are terrorists and war criminals. I forgot to add rape is a war crime Hamas are guilty of that as well.

Donald Trump is a war criminal?

Surely the bone spurs will get him off the charge.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:56pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:53pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:07pm: It's not hamas dropping bombs on kids Hamas have hit hospitals in Gaza and Israel with their rockets. Hamas even fired a rocket that landed in the west bank. Over 500 rockets fired by hamas have landed in Gaza. Over 10,000 rockets have been fired into Israel by Hamas at a rate of one every 20 seconds they are still being fired today. How much damage would those 10,000 rockets have done if Israel didn't create the Iron Dome to intercept them? Go to Telegram Hamas live streamed their attack on civilians that website hasn't taken videos and pics down. Have a look at what Hamas did to kids you might even find a video where Israeli forensic pathologist said they had to DNA test babies to see which head belonged to which body. Hamas beheaded children. Yes, hamas are terrorists.  We all know  that.  But so is Israel Israel aren't terrorists. Israel haven't done any war crimes. Hamas are terrorists and war criminals. I forgot to add rape is a war crime Hamas are guilty of that as well.

Israel are war criminals and they are terrorists.  No amount of pretending otherwise will change that

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:42pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:27pm: Has any conservative member here acknowledged Israel's war crimes yet? If so, have they condemned them or do they continue to celebrate the death of thousands of innocent little children? I'm curious. Crimes committed are determined by courts and tribunals. So unless the guy who stole from my business last week is found guilty in a court of law by a judge, he didn't steal from me? :D

That's exactly how the judicial system works.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:56pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:53pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:07pm: It's not hamas dropping bombs on kids Hamas have hit hospitals in Gaza and Israel with their rockets. Hamas even fired a rocket that landed in the west bank. Over 500 rockets fired by hamas have landed in Gaza. Over 10,000 rockets have been fired into Israel by Hamas at a rate of one every 20 seconds they are still being fired today. How much damage would those 10,000 rockets have done if Israel didn't create the Iron Dome to intercept them? Go to Telegram Hamas live streamed their attack on civilians that website hasn't taken videos and pics down. Have a look at what Hamas did to kids you might even find a video where Israeli forensic pathologist said they had to DNA test babies to see which head belonged to which body. Hamas beheaded children. Yes, hamas are terrorists.  We all know  that.  But so is Israel Israel aren't terrorists. Israel haven't done any war crimes. Hamas are terrorists and war criminals.

But, but ... your fellow conservatives disagree: "Crimes committed are determined by courts and tribunals."
MeisterEckhart November 2, 2023

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:49pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:27pm: Has any conservative member here acknowledged Israel's war crimes yet? If so, have they condemned them or do they continue to celebrate the death of thousands of innocent little children? I'm curious. Crimes committed are determined by courts and tribunals. Ah. You're saying that when Hamas attacked Israel on October 7, it wasn't actually a war crime. So, you condone the slaughter of children by the IDF AND you condone the horrendous attack on Israel by Hamas terrorists last month. Interesting.

He's defending Hamas, people   ::)

Setanta wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:38pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:34pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:27pm: Has any conservative member here acknowledged Israel's war crimes yet? If so, have they condemned them or do they continue to celebrate the death of thousands of innocent little children? I'm curious. I see the sensible position is to condemn the atrocities of both sides. Indeed, which is exactly what I've done from day one (along with every other left winger here). Strange how conservatives won't condemn Israel for slaughtering thousands of children. How do you get to decide who is left or not? Perhaps if you said "along with every other extreme left winger here" you could be forgiven.

I do not see any here that would be considered extreme left, most are moderate. Unlike the right where many if not most are considerably way out there.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:39pm: So you can't argue for a greater Israeli moral responsibility than the Allies in WW2 against the Italians, then. Sure I can. One doesn't need to be in the army to know about smart bombs, laser guided rockets, satellite targeting, heat sensors and a whole raft off other technology that didn't exist in 1940

That's exactly why you'd need a military background - to know how effective it is when in a battle in an urban environment - where the enemy is shielded by civilians.

What would you do if your armed enemy had a weapon aimed at you behind civilians... Would you sacrifice your life for the survival of those civilians?
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I'm sorry,  but are you suggesting that unless hamas members agrees to be killed,  Israel has no choice but to bomb kids? :D

Israel didn't need to bomb Argentina to get nazi's hiding amongst Argentina's population after WWII

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:49pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:27pm: Has any conservative member here acknowledged Israel's war crimes yet? If so, have they condemned them or do they continue to celebrate the death of thousands of innocent little children? I'm curious. Crimes committed are determined by courts and tribunals. Ah. You're saying that when Hamas attacked Israel on October 7, it wasn't actually a war crime. So, you condone the slaughter of children by the IDF AND you condone the horrendous attack on Israel by Hamas terrorists last month. Interesting.

Your obsession with children has nothing to do with their welfare in wartime.

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:51pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:47pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:56pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:53pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:07pm: It's not hamas dropping bombs on kids Hamas have hit hospitals in Gaza and Israel with their rockets. Hamas even fired a rocket that landed in the west bank. Over 500 rockets fired by hamas have landed in Gaza. Over 10,000 rockets have been fired into Israel by Hamas at a rate of one every 20 seconds they are still being fired today. How much damage would those 10,000 rockets have done if Israel didn't create the Iron Dome to intercept them? Go to Telegram Hamas live streamed their attack on civilians that website hasn't taken videos and pics down. Have a look at what Hamas did to kids you might even find a video where Israeli forensic pathologist said they had to DNA test babies to see which head belonged to which body. Hamas beheaded children. Yes, hamas are terrorists.  We all know  that.  But so is Israel Israel aren't terrorists. Israel haven't done any war crimes. Hamas are terrorists and war criminals. I forgot to add rape is a war crime Hamas are guilty of that as well. Israel are war criminals and they are terrorists.  No amount of pretending otherwise will change that

What are the war crimes you think they have done?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:49pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:27pm: Has any conservative member here acknowledged Israel's war crimes yet? If so, have they condemned them or do they continue to celebrate the death of thousands of innocent little children? I'm curious. Crimes committed are determined by courts and tribunals. Ah. You're saying that when Hamas attacked Israel on October 7, it wasn't actually a war crime. So, you condone the slaughter of children by the IDF AND you condone the horrendous attack on Israel by Hamas terrorists last month. Interesting. Your obsession with children has nothing to do with their welfare in wartime.

You're defending the war crimes of both Israel and Hamas.

Disturbing.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:51pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:42pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:27pm: Has any conservative member here acknowledged Israel's war crimes yet? If so, have they condemned them or do they continue to celebrate the death of thousands of innocent little children? I'm curious. Crimes committed are determined by courts and tribunals. So unless the guy who stole from my business last week is found guilty in a court of law by a judge, he didn't steal from me? :D That's exactly how the judicial system works.

No one mentioned the judicial system.  A criminal is a criminal,  not because some judge says he is, but because he committed a crime. That he might get away with it doesn't change what he did

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 8:59pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:51pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 8:47pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:56pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:53pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 2nd, 2023 at 7:07pm: It's not hamas dropping bombs on kids Hamas have hit hospitals in Gaza and Israel with their rockets. Hamas even fired a rocket that landed in the west bank. Over 500 rockets fired by hamas have landed in Gaza. Over 10,000 rockets have been fired into Israel by Hamas at a rate of one every 20 seconds they are still being fired today. How much damage would those 10,000 rockets have done if Israel didn't create the Iron Dome to intercept them? Go to Telegram Hamas live streamed their attack on civilians that website hasn't taken videos and pics down. Have a look at what Hamas did to kids you might even find a video where Israeli forensic pathologist said they had to DNA test babies to see which head belonged to which body. Hamas beheaded children. Yes, hamas are terrorists.  We all know  that.  But so is Israel Israel aren't terrorists. Israel haven't done any war crimes. Hamas are terrorists and war criminals. I forgot to add rape is a war crime Hamas are guilty of that as well. Israel are war criminals and they are terrorists.  No amount of pretending otherwise will change that What are the war crimes you think they have done?

Gee, bomb hospitals,  refugee camps , schools,  just for a start

This puts it perfectly. Smith, Et Al. is a low IQ garden variety antisemite.

The murder of six million Jews and millions of others carried out by the Nazis and their collaborators was the largest recorded genocide in modern history. Absolutely no comparison can be made between the complex Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the atrocities committed by the Nazis against the Jews.

While one can criticize Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians, in contrast to the Holocaust, there is not now, nor has there been, a significant Israeli ideology, movement, policy or plan to exterminate the Palestinian population.

The Nazis’ “final solution” to the “Jewish problem” was the deliberate, systematic and mechanized extermination of European Jewry. Hitler’s final solution led to the calculated, premeditated murder of six million Jews and the destruction of thriving Jewish communities across Europe.

Israel says that its policies towards the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip are based on security concerns and the need to defend its population in the face of terrorist acts. But while these policies can certainly be scrutinized and criticized, they are in no way akin to the policies and actions of the Nazis and the Third Reich.

By comparing Israel to Nazis, some seek to label Israel as a singularly, uniquely evil state on earth, playing upon old antisemitic stereotypes that treat Jews as demonic and uniquely evil.

Moreover, it can be argued that those that make the comparison between the Jewish state and the Nazis and Hitler – who perpetrated the greatest and largest act of antisemitism in world history – have not chosen this comparison innocently or dispassionately. It is a charge that is purposefully directed at Jews in an effort to associate the victims of Nazi crimes with the Nazi perpetrators and serves to diminish the significance and uniqueness of the Holocaust.

To make such a comparison is antisemitic and constitutes blatant hostility toward Jews, Jewish history and the legitimacy of the Jewish State of Israel.



https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/allegation-israels-actions-against-palestinians-can-be-compared-nazis

John Smith wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 9:00pm:

No one mentioned the judicial system.  A criminal is a criminal,  not because some judge says he is, but because he committed a crime. That he might get away with it doesn't change what he did

Are you that ignorant of the justice system?

A criminal is a criminal because the justice system determines he is - anything less is an allegation.