I'm hearing of more and more parents taking their kids out of Government Public Schools (NSW) because of the increase in violence to their kids.
Seems 'discipline' has gone out of the window at these Government Schools in way of violence, substance abuse in the open, lack of homework, lack of funding by the Government and much more.
Violence against Teachers is also apparent that nearly every Teacher seeks employment in Private or Catholic Schools (Even Islamic Schools) - rather than work in Government Schools.

It's pretty obvious that in Government Schools there are no 'consequences' for the actions of the kids, unlike in Private where the Wrath of the Parents would be great if the kid gets suspended at $6,000+ a term costs.

Another factor is the 'self esteem' of the Government Schools who can only afford one Lathe for Industrial Arts or one Guitar for Music - while the Private Schools who rake it in off the Parents also get funded by the Government and thus have something like four Lathes and four Guitars, etc.

How and why the extra funding that Government/Public Schools desperately need, is going to Private Schools is beyond me?
Anyone got an idea on how this is and why?

So this is why more Parents are teaching their kids at HOME SCHOOL, no different to when COVID Lockdowns were in place, or how Remote Area kids have had to be educated.
Sure beats having their kids bashed by bullies who love posting their exploits on Instagram and such just for the hell of it and because there is NO DISCIPLINE of CONSEQUENCE for their violent actions.

It's getting to the point where I can tell the Private School (and Catholic) kids from the Govt/Public - 'behavior'. The Private are very well behaved, disciplined in their actions and commitments and polite. Govt/Public are ADHD nutcases.

The only odd factor in this Opening Post is that when it comes to HSC results, there is no defining bias of High Scorers between Govt/Public, Catholic and Private.
Mostly females though, Govt/Public Students still score high in the HSC competively and I wonder if the 'adversity' of having to deal with the violence and behaviour of other students, along with a weak 'adult' discipline culture makes them a 'better' student in the long run, than those who score high also in a system where the adversity comes only from the Adults and a strong discipline from the Private?

Anyway - do you think Albanese can fix this Problem?
If so - vote 'Yes'.  :D
I would say he doesn't give a hoot and this will only get worse.
...is the Government turning out like their Schools?

Note: In Victoria, I hear that the Govt/Public School kids are better behaved, well educated and are GRATEFUL  for their CHEAPER EDUCATION. While the expensive Private School kids are SNOBBY BRATS.

Identity grievance ‘degrees’ are polluting our universities with self-obsessed activist morons who don’t belong anywhere near a place of higher learning. And that's putting it nicely.

https://twitter.com/patcondell/status/1722554985039253695

I know a parent who back in about 1998 took his son out of school
and home schooled him because kids
were found injecting their arms with heroin at his son's school.

I'm happy with our local primary school.

1stborn went there, killed it and is at one of the best and most academic schools in the country.

2ndborn is in year one now, and already streamed into an advanced maths class. They're not afraid to accelerate the bright kids which is great.

Frank wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 9:17pm:

Identity grievance ‘degrees’ are polluting our universities with self-obsessed activist morons who don’t belong anywhere near a place of higher learning. And that's putting it nicely. https://twitter.com/patcondell/status/1722554985039253695

And here’s the other extreme :

abc.net.au/local/stories/2011/08/12/3292325.htm

👆 Bachelor degree in Circus Arts ffs

On the same topic.  They are now introducing a new 4 day school week, and flexible school hours.  I am not sure if this is a good idea. 

Been that way since around 1989 when that 'feminist academic' (now there's a hoot) and State 'senator' Meredith Bergmann decided on the basis of a single untested and even unpublished 'study' of SEVEN disturbed girls from US schools ....  (wait for it) ..... meant that the current approach to 'education' was harmful to girls and needed to be amended to more suit their (apparently no different from boys goes the theory, but hell - why hold on to that when there's advantage to be had?) feminine skills sets etc more closely - and you see the results to this day... many more 'female' students than men ... more graduates... vastly more 'teachers' and the consequent demand and imposition of power and control over education and curricula so as to favour and further every ridiculous running dog or fellow traveler agenda, while demanding that women get more and more  and more of the best spots - even after, by their own admission FINALLY - that women are paid currently more for their ordinary working week than men are for their ordinary working week plus all the extra hours.... something like $1730 or so for their normal hours of work, as opposed to $1680 or something for men on normal hours plus the extra hours they work.

Wake Up, Australia!  Look what they've done to the joint!!

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 9:47pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 9:17pm: Identity grievance ‘degrees’ are polluting our universities with self-obsessed activist morons who don’t belong anywhere near a place of higher learning. And that's putting it nicely. https://twitter.com/patcondell/status/1722554985039253695 And here’s the other extreme : abc.net.au/local/stories/2011/08/12/3292325.htm 👆 Bachelor degree in Circus Arts ffs

.. and to think I was dumbfounded that break-dancing became an Olympic sport..... FFS ....

Imagine when I started study of Terrorism/Counter-Terrorism and the 'facilitator' was some sheila on Academia pills talking down to a bunch of blokes with first hand experience.... funny if it weren't so serious...

"So what is it, General/Admiral/Air Marshal, that you DO so well it puts you above all those men?"

"I run a damned good meeting!!"

"Combat experience?"

"Nil - gets in the way of true leadership and warps perceptions..... "

"But what about morale in the armed forces?"

"Not worth a damn - that's why we need more women and poofs and Aborigines!!  That extra Voice will fix everything!!"

"But what about the fanatical enemy?"

"We'll talk them down and get them to see sense..........."

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tickleandrose wrote on Nov 11^th, 2023 at 12:46pm:

On the same topic.  They are now introducing a new 4 day school week, and flexible school hours.  I am not sure if this is a good idea.

I don't think it is.

Jasin wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 1:57pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 12:46pm: On the same topic.  They are now introducing a new 4 day school week, and flexible school hours.  I am not sure if this is a good idea.  I don't think it is.

Part of the 'socialisation' process is imbuing in kids the 'responsibility' of attending 'work' regularly and during the hours of work.... makes for good little drone workers... you understand.... all streets are two way - a road that leads to Rome also leads away from Rome... you can be a drone or not.... you just need the right direction early in life....

Would anyone back then REALLY want to go to Rome?  Fetid swamps, foul water, social divides like you've never seen, open sewers, ordure thrown out of windows on high without regard for passing pedestrians (The Great Unwashed - it was better in the hilltop suburbs and the miasma didn't rise so thick), disease and early death, internecine warfare .... then the Christians got hold of it... Mama Mia!!  Look what St Patrick did to Oireland!!

The Lefties have invoked Victimhood and Failure into Education. The damage has been done.

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 11^th, 2023 at 12:46pm:

On the same topic.  They are now introducing a new 4 day school week, and flexible school hours.  I am not sure if this is a good idea.

Four days a week?  That'll be a serious imposition on all the Aboriginal kids what don't attend at all ... those bastards .... How Dare They!!  That's Invasion™ and Intervention™, that is!!

Voice 2.0 will fix all that!  By the year 2024 no Aboriginal kid will be incarcerated in a school for four days a week!!

Australia is high on the list of chaotic classrooms according to a recent OECD report on classroom behaviour management. There is also evidence that teachers increasingly are leaving the profession. These two facts constitute a slow-motion disaster for our children’s learning, their future and the wellbeing of our teachers. Something urgently must be done to improve the management of disruptive behaviours in our schools.

Three factors must be considered when managing behaviour in a classroom: the group’s needs; the individual’s needs; and what to do when these come into conflict. What works for the group comes first. The teacher is responsible for class functioning and their needs must be met if they are to provide effective leadership. Anything that undermines a teacher’s authority is ruinous, as responsibility without authority is a sure recipe for stress.

From a position of authority teachers clarify the moral values in their classroom, provide rules for when values are not met and predictably enforce the costs of broken rules. When disruptions occur, the experience of boundaries predictably implemented is important for the moral development of the students, helping them move away from the self-focused motivation “what’s in it for me” towards “what is good for us”.

Unfortunately, teachers can be unprepared or uncomfortable when authority is required of them. This increasing discomfort about leadership is understandable. Our culture and media are cynical about authority figures. Rather than being respected, leaders are doubted and suspected. Some hold to a notion that “authority = hierarchy = exploitation = evil” and are uncomfortable exerting control or upsetting others. Others may struggle because they have experience of harm from excessive authority. But whatever the cause, this hesitancy and lack of confidence around leadership are seriously problematic.

Because just as excessive authority is wrong, insufficient authority is also wrong.

Without adequate authority there will be a lack of safety, security, trust and order in the classroom. Without authority’s calm and confident restraint, chaos ensues as immature children use immature behaviours to solve their problems. When costs are not imposed on those who break rules, hope for justice is lost, others question why they should follow the rules and respect for the teacher diminishes as ruptures are not repaired and instead are blown over. This decreased confidence in authority is a major factor in what is disrupting our classrooms today.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/how-to-bring-calm-to-chaotic-classrooms/news-story/e11063cca8d3370f2f74ed0a77759396

Take government money out of the so–called private schools and direct it to the public schools.

Decent buildings, a/c, teaching facilities would help give teachers pride in their profession and lead to better teachers joining.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 10:07am:

Take government money out of the so–called private schools and direct it to the public schools. Decent buildings, a/c, teaching facilities would help give teachers pride in their profession and lead to better teachers joining.

So you think government school classrooms are increasingly chaotic and undisciplined because of lack of money?
Even though, say, 50 years ago they had a lot less money and much much more discipline and orderliness. You really think that the answer to every problem and decline in education is more government funding?

Quote:

Education is a Failure!

Frank is proof of that. Apparently he is highly educated, but the guy is still a moron. Universities are just lucky that their former students don't demand refunds when they realise that they were conned.

Frank wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 10:16am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 14th, 2023 at 10:07am: Take government money out of the so–called private schools and direct it to the public schools. Decent buildings, a/c, teaching facilities would help give teachers pride in their profession and lead to better teachers joining. So you think government school classrooms are increasingly chaotic and undisciplined because of lack of money? Even though, say, 50 years ago they had a lot less money and much much more discipline and orderliness. You really think that the answer to every problem and decline in education is more government funding?

It is very important.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 11:18am:

Frank wrote on Nov 14th, 2023 at 10:16am: Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 14th, 2023 at 10:07am: Take government money out of the so–called private schools and direct it to the public schools. Decent buildings, a/c, teaching facilities would help give teachers pride in their profession and lead to better teachers joining. So you think government school classrooms are increasingly chaotic and undisciplined because of lack of money? Even though, say, 50 years ago they had a lot less money and much much more discipline and orderliness. You really think that the answer to every problem and decline in education is more government funding? It is very important.

What is the relationship between funding and discipline?

You said teachers are leaving. Teaching in substandard conditions is not appealing.

The FIRST time in DECADES that many public schools got new buildings was in Rudd’s Building the Education Revolution. That was 14 years ago.

Reducing class sizes would help teachers keep noise etc to acceptable levels.

Frank wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 9:17am:

Australia is high on the list of chaotic classrooms according to a recent OECD report on classroom behaviour management. There is also evidence that teachers increasingly are leaving the profession. These two facts constitute a slow-motion disaster for our children’s learning, their future and the wellbeing of our teachers. Something urgently must be done to improve the management of disruptive behaviours in our schools. Three factors must be considered when managing behaviour in a classroom: the group’s needs; the individual’s needs; and what to do when these come into conflict. What works for the group comes first. The teacher is responsible for class functioning and their needs must be met if they are to provide effective leadership. Anything that undermines a teacher’s authority is ruinous, as responsibility without authority is a sure recipe for stress. From a position of authority teachers clarify the moral values in their classroom, provide rules for when values are not met and predictably enforce the costs of broken rules. When disruptions occur, the experience of boundaries predictably implemented is important for the moral development of the students, helping them move away from the self-focused motivation “what’s in it for me” towards “what is good for us”. Unfortunately, teachers can be unprepared or uncomfortable when authority is required of them. This increasing discomfort about leadership is understandable. Our culture and media are cynical about authority figures. Rather than being respected, leaders are doubted and suspected. Some hold to a notion that “authority = hierarchy = exploitation = evil” and are uncomfortable exerting control or upsetting others. Others may struggle because they have experience of harm from excessive authority. But whatever the cause, this hesitancy and lack of confidence around leadership are seriously problematic. Because just as excessive authority is wrong, insufficient authority is also wrong. Without adequate authority there will be a lack of safety, security, trust and order in the classroom. Without authority’s calm and confident restraint, chaos ensues as immature children use immature behaviours to solve their problems. When costs are not imposed on those who break rules, hope for justice is lost, others question why they should follow the rules and respect for the teacher diminishes as ruptures are not repaired and instead are blown over. This decreased confidence in authority is a major factor in what is disrupting our classrooms today. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/how-to-bring-calm-to-chaotic-classrooms/news-story/e11063cca8d3370f2f74ed0a77759396

Class-wide expectations of learning and behaviour that are based on clear values and staged strategies are essential to improving group behaviour. Only from this position of calm, predictable authority can an individual student’s needs be understood and assisted. Even the most expertly devised individual approaches will be ineffective in a chaotic classroom led by a demoralised teacher.

Finally, let’s not forget the parents’ role as they have the ultimate responsibility for their child’s disruptive behaviour. The school leadership team needs to be having ongoing general and targeted conversations with parents about values, rules and costs at their school, and the requirement that parents play their part in backing up the behaviour management plans. Schools are also an obvious venue for community-based parenting programs to help families better understand and manage disruptive behaviour in the home. The more the adults involved in a child’s life are united in approach, the quicker change will occur.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/how-to-bring-calm-to-chaotic-classrooms/news-story/e11063cca8d3370f2f74ed0a77759396


When little Johnny acts like a little disruptive, unruly shite and parents come to the school you immediately see where little Johnny gets it from.

So you have no solution to the problem.

more strong masculine confident competant manly teachers would help.

kids dont respond to neurotic fragile female snowflake teachers.

teachers probably need to have a mentality similar to a warrant officer in the army and treat the kids the way recruits get treated

strong boundaries and zero tolerance for BS

only this wll enable children to find a place of calm from which they can learn

a weak teacher with no boundaries is toxic to a child who needs boundaries so he/she can feel at ease

Aquascoot distributes a few more nuggets of selfhelp book Chap 1.

Definitely more than just one right answer here.

The Private System should be prevented from 'ripping off' the Government Schools of their fundings.

The Govt Schools need more funding for better 'quality' Schools and Teaching.

It's atrocious to see all these Govt School Teachers go on strike again and again for MORE MONEY IN 'THEIR' POCKETS'. While most are hardly there and classes are conducted by RELIEF TEACHERS. It's a bloody sham.

More Teachers - smaller classes - better quality experience for both Staff and Pupils.

Discipline is not just needed for Students, but the Teachers need a new disciplinary culture as well. This is how bad things have become in Government (NSW) Schools.
...Teachers smoking/vaping during Playground Duty? C'mon! >:(

Students these days can't even tell the time.


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Bobby. wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 1:46pm:

Students these days can't even tell the time.

thats only pommies ... inferior breeding

::)

John Smith wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 3:26pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 14th, 2023 at 1:46pm: Students these days can't even tell the time. thats only pommies ... inferior breeding ::)

What's the the time on that watch?

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 12:33pm:

So you have no solution to the problem.

Because just as excessive authority is wrong, insufficient authority is also wrong.

Without adequate authority there will be a lack of safety, security, trust and order in the classroom. Without authority’s calm and confident restraint, chaos ensues as immature children use immature behaviours to solve their problems. When costs are not imposed on those who break rules, hope for justice is lost, others question why they should follow the rules and respect for the teacher diminishes as ruptures are not repaired and instead are blown over. This decreased confidence in authority is a major factor in what is disrupting our classrooms today.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 12:33pm:

So you have no solution to the problem.

Finally, let’s not forget the parents’ role as they have the ultimate responsibility for their child’s disruptive behaviour. The school leadership team needs to be having ongoing general and targeted conversations with parents about values, rules and costs at their school, and the requirement that parents play their part in backing up the behaviour management plans. Schools are also an obvious venue for community-based parenting programs to help families better understand and manage disruptive behaviour in the home. The more the adults involved in a child’s life are united in approach, the quicker change will occur.

what they need is to look at every schoolteacher (they are nearly all female) and say

'does this person remind me of margaret thatcher"

if the answer is yes, they stay
if no, they go find a job elsewhere

Aqua you know SFA about what Warrant Officers in the Army are now like.  They are strong, yes, but they are also caring and try to understand their soldiers as much as possible.  I have served with good and bad WOs.  The best only ever had to order me to do something once in 8 years.  A bad WO had to keep ordering me to do things his way because I did things my way.  Guess which was the more senior?  I had done anything for old Bill and I would have done nothing for old Wroble.  Old Bill was a senior WO who had joined before the Korean War, fought through that, fought through Malaya and Vietnam.  He understood his men.  Wroble had fought through Vietnam and he never understood us.  He was another Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

aquascoot wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 4:25pm:

what they need is to look at every schoolteacher (they are nearly all female) and say 'does this person remind me of margaret thatcher" if the answer is yes, they stay if no, they go find a job elsewhere

That's a good one! But you know what some of her cabinet ministers - public school boys one and all - said about her.
‘I don’t want actual penetration, just a massive snog.’

A military approach to teaching and discipline would be 'stupid'. It would teach kids to just 'follow orders' and inhibit any ability for the students to think for themselves. Turn them into 'process workers' and nothing else. This would become evident in later years at either Tech for the clever or Uni for the smart - where they do have to think (and act) for themselves.

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 4:41pm:

Aqua you know SFA about what Warrant Officers in the Army are now like.  They are strong, yes, but they are also caring and try to understand their soldiers as much as possible.  I have served with good and bad WOs.  The best only ever had to order me to do something once in 8 years.  A bad WO had to keep ordering me to do things his way because I did things my way.  Guess which was the more senior?  I had done anything for old Bill and I would have done nothing for old Wroble.  Old Bill was a senior WO who had joined before the Korean War, fought through that, fought through Malaya and Vietnam.  He understood his men.  Wroble had fought through Vietnam and he never understood us.  He was another Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Children are not Bbwians and teachers are not WOs.

Jasin wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 5:21pm:

A military approach to teaching and discipline would be 'stupid'. It would teach kids to just 'follow orders' and inhibit any ability for the students to think for themselves. Turn them into 'process workers' and nothing else. This would become evident in later years at either Tech for the clever or Uni for the smart - where they do have to think (and act) for themselves.

i think a lot of kids will end up being home schooled

if you can afford it, getting private tutors and maybe teaming up with a dozen other local parents in a sort of kibbutz would make a lot of sense.

you want your kids in a social situation and you want them as far out of the reach of leftie intellectuals as possible .

i wonder how the jews educate kids?

268 nobel prizes from a small population would show they are doing things right

and their young people are brave patriots not prone to screeching and sooking

worth studying

Sure is - kicked out of The Tavern now for slicing and dicing the foolishness of false voting for a false god... I blame the education system... YOU?  Not that there's anything wrong with that....

Proves my point about the whole thing!!!  Only the gutless can't handle dissent - now you know why I do not frequent The Tavern.... when petty egos take charge....

aquascoot wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 6:11pm:

Jasin wrote on Nov 14th, 2023 at 5:21pm: A military approach to teaching and discipline would be 'stupid'. It would teach kids to just 'follow orders' and inhibit any ability for the students to think for themselves. Turn them into 'process workers' and nothing else. This would become evident in later years at either Tech for the clever or Uni for the smart - where they do have to think (and act) for themselves. i think a lot of kids will end up being home schooled if you can afford it, getting private tutors and maybe teaming up with a dozen other local parents in a sort of kibbutz would make a lot of sense. you want your kids in a social situation and you want them as far out of the reach of leftie intellectuals as possible . i wonder how the jews educate kids? 268 nobel prizes from a small population would show they are doing things right and their young people are brave patriots not prone to screeching and sooking worth studying

Well said Aqua.

...also, I think you or Carl D would make good Moderators for the Health Board. Would you both run for it?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 15^th, 2023 at 7:30am:

Sure is - kicked out of The Tavern now for slicing and dicing the foolishness of false voting for a false god... I blame the education system... YOU?  Not that there's anything wrong with that.... Proves my point about the whole thing!!!  Only the gutless can't handle dissent - now you know why I do not frequent The Tavern.... when petty egos take charge....

I think FD deleted two Topics started by Monk and Lisa regarding MOD for Tavern.

Education has been going down hill for a long time.

The internet has provided us with a wealth of information, but so many people, and this forum is an all too tragic real world reminder, just aren't armed with the critical thinking skills needed to sift through what they want to hear, what they want to believe, and find their way is factual or evidence-based.

Too many people, again this forum is a great example, would rather hold onto a lie than admit they're wrong or worse, change their belief.

These people have built their beliefs into their personality and "individuality" (which ironically has them acting more like sheep in the herd) and go looking for information to prove those beliefs true, rather than the other way around.

What we should all be doing is finding out what is truthful and factually accurate for a given situation and using that to form our opinions, not the other way around.

But from, at least in my experience, the 90's onwards, unless you've had any sort of tertiary scientific training, it's all too easy to fall victim to the internet's echo chambers.

And it shouldn't be that way.  Our sense of curiosity should be encouraged but not just to get an easy answer, but the correct answer.  This should be strengthened throughout our entire education.

But it's not.

Not anymore.

It's not education 5hwt is a failure.

It's the perverted education department groomers that are attempting to groom children to be as mentally sick as them.

Valkie wrote on Nov 16^th, 2023 at 6:45pm:

It's not education 5hwt is a failure. It's the perverted education department groomers that are attempting to groom children to be as mentally sick as them.

https://media4.giphy.com/media/l4FGzTRVr14I4Ja00/giphy.gif

Students these days can't even tell the time.


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The kids are far from all right
One in three of primary school children ‘feel bad for long periods of time,’ while 53 per cent of secondary school children ‘feel very stressed’. Something seismic is going on across the nation.

MEASURING EMOTIONAL WELLBEING
PRIMARY SCHOOLS
44% cannot calm down quickly when they feel bad
44% cannot control how nervous they get
32% feel bad for long periods of time
BOY V GIRL DIFFERENCES
Girls: 53% Boys: 36% say they have their feelings easily hurt
Girls: 48% Boys: 39% cannot calm down quickly when they feel bad
Girls: 39% Boys: 29% think they’re stupid when someone teases them
POSITIVE ELEMENTS
I am a happy person. 92%
When I grow up. I will have a good life. 91%
I like the kind of person I am. 88%

SECONDARY SCHOOLS
I have a hard time controlling how worried I get: 56%
I feel very stressed: 53%
I lose my temper a lot: 32%
During the past six months, I have felt so hopeless and down almost every day for one week that I have stopped doing my usual activities: 21%
BOY V GIRL DIFFERENCES
I feel very stressed: Girls: 64% Boys: 41%
I have a hard time controlling how worried I get. Girls: 68% Boys: 44%
During the past six months, I have felt so hopeless and down almost every day for one week that I have stopped doing my usual activities. Girls: 26% Boys: 16%
I feel lonely: Girls: 29% Boys: 20%
POSITIVE ELEMENTS
I am a happy person. 88%
I am very hopeful about my future. 82%
I like the kind of person I am. 79%
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/the-kids-are-far-from-all-right/news-story/3f587a0b2274b60ac72e2d1a5def15da


Bernard found a range of areas where the wellbeing of primary school-age kids had significantly worsened since 2018.

“Children finding it hard to calm down quickly or struggling to describe their emotions have shown a rise,” he says. “So, too, the percentage experiencing hurtful feelings and those having prolonged periods of anger.”

A major contributor to these challenges is that “a growing number are refraining from talking to someone else when they feel bad”, he says.

Stress has increased significantly since 2018, when 46 per cent of secondary students said they felt very stressed.

Many can’t find a way to express it. Fifty-five per cent say they don’t find someone to talk to when they get stressed out and 31 per cent say they lose their temper a lot. More than 70 per cent say they “could do a lot better” in their schoolwork.

Bernard puts this down to a delay in the development of socio-emotional strengths they need to navigate an increasingly demanding curriculum, attributes such as tolerating frustration, and time management. He says a telling 2023 data point is the proportion of high school students, more than one in five, who say that at some point in the past six months they felt so hopeless and down almost every day for a week that they stopped doing their usual activities. For year 12 girls it is one in three.


Bernard says it’s important for parents not to shield children from disturbing world events or other life events that may be discomfiting. “There is evidence to suggest that overprotective parenting can contribute to lower resilience and higher stress levels in children,” he says. “Excessive efforts to shield children from potential harm, failure or discomfort can lead to underdeveloped problem-solving and social skills, reduced independence and delays in the development of self-confidence and persistence.”

How long have they been taking these surveys?

I know I never had to answer any from my time in primary or secondary school.

Maybe the Principles need Ritalin more than the Students?

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 3:30pm:

How long have they been taking these surveys? I know I never had to answer any from my time in primary or secondary school.

The Australian Council for Educational Research’s Social-Emotional Wellbeing Survey has been running since 2003, taking the emotional temperature of kids across the nation. Academic Michael Bernard has worked in collaboration with ACER to set the survey and crunch the numbers, which include the most recent 2023 data. He has collated and analysed more than 500,000 res­ponses from primary and secondary school-age children since 2018.

Frank wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 5:07pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 19th, 2023 at 3:30pm: How long have they been taking these surveys? I know I never had to answer any from my time in primary or secondary school. The Australian Council for Educational Research’s Social-Emotional Wellbeing Survey has been running since 2003, taking the emotional temperature of kids across the nation. Academic Michael Bernard has worked in collaboration with ACER to set the survey and crunch the numbers, which include the most recent 2023 data. He has collated and analysed more than 500,000 res­ponses from primary and secondary school-age children since 2018.

Thanks, I wasn't going to pay to access The Australian 🤮

Those dates explain it.

So uneducated and unhappy...  Bad combo, poor kids.

Lets face it.
Take away the Political British and American influences from this country like the Gov-Generals and Prime Ministers and what do you have left here?

Politics creating a race of stupid white Morlocks down under.  :D

Jasin wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 3:36pm:

Maybe the Principles need Ritalin more than the Students?

This should make them feel better..... I recommend the stronger dose twice a day for a week, then down to one stronger for another week, then try two weaker ones for a week .... in the fourth week go for one weak one.... see how you feel.  If you feel a bit rough - increase back to two weak ones.

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If there is a problem with the School.
It always starts with the Principle's 'failure' to solve the problem... probably due to a lack of education.

Education and Intelligence: Pity the Poor Teacher because Student Characteristics are more Significant than Teachers or Schools
Published online by Cambridge University Press:  06 December 2016

Over the last 50 years in developed countries, evidence has accumulated that only about 10% of school achievement can be attributed to schools and teachers while the remaining 90% is due to characteristics associated with students. Teachers account for from 1% to 7% of total variance at every level of education. For students, intelligence accounts for much of the 90% of variance associated with learning gains. This evidence is reviewed.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/spanish-journal-of-psychology/article/abs/education-and-intelligence-pity-the-poor-teacher-because-student-characteristics-are-more-significant-than-teachers-or-schools/F73D9839D7E1398C33A117CB37E084E8



The point is illustrated here:
https://twitter.com/ghostbrowser8/status/1747683303568924846

Been telling yez the title for years.... never been the same since they had the sheilas take it over and the social scientists were allowed a free run.

But women are so good at so many things, of course I must be wrong...   8-)

Jasin wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 9:18pm:

If there is a problem with the School. It always starts with the Principle's 'failure' to solve the problem... probably due to a lack of education.

Very Well Put..... now we firstly need to re-define 'education' ... and then start again.....

There are two questions that need to be asked of any society: what is it that is going wrong; and what is it that’s going right that should be done more? It’s only natural to focus on the first question – not least because it is easier. But it is the second question that should be asked more.

Whenever I think of the few things that are going well in Britain, I think of the Michaela Community School in Wembley, London.

Whenever she is profiled in the media, people tend to write about Birbalsingh as ‘Britain’s strictest headmistress’ or similar. The implication skews towards the negative. Commentators, especially of the left, like to suggest that there is something a bit suspect about this striving for discipline and excellence. ‘Shouldn’t the kids be allowed to let it all hang out a bit more?’ is a frequent note, hit by people who have either forgotten what their own education involved or like to gloss over the advantages they have had in life.

Happily, Michaela’s success has been demonstrated beyond all doubt. Last year, Ofsted rated the school as ‘outstanding’, noted that the pupils’ behaviour is ‘exemplary’ and that the school has an ‘exceptionally rich curriculum, which prepares pupils exceptionally well for the next steps in education’. All of which is very good – but the proof is in the grades. For the last two years the school has received the country’s highest Progress 8 score – which tracks how well secondary schools improve performance after primary school. Pupils at the school achieve twice the national average in GCSE performance and in the English Baccalaureate. An astonishing 82 per cent of its sixth-form students go on to matriculate at Russell Group Universities.

So why should Michaela have been the subject of so much opprobrium? Even before Birbalsingh had found the site for her school, people tried to stop her. A different London Labour council had the perfect site available, but when the council found out what it was for, they sold the site to someone else. It has been the same at every turn. Trade unions have had their members protest outside the school and harass staff and pupils. Every attempt has been made to take Birbalsingh and the school out. The case that hit the headlines this week was just the latest.

It started because a Muslim pupil claimed that the school wouldn’t allow her to practise Muslim prayer rituals at the school. Strangely enough, this pupil’s family were able to bring a legal case against the school.

Of course, the reason why the pupil was not allowed to bring Islamic prayer rituals into the school was that the school is a non-faith school. All pupils and parents agree when signing up to the school that they understand the school’s ethos and that religion must be left at the school gate. There are plenty of good reasons for this, in the Islamic space in particular. Around half of the school’s pupils are Muslim, and reportedly most of the Muslim parents at the school were appalled at the case.

As they should be. I have spoken to pupils at other schools in London who have told me first-hand about the sort of pressure which is applied once Muslim pupils get into this kind of escalation. It starts with a Muslim girl who wears the hijab questioning girls of Muslim origin who do not, and proceeds from there. Before you know it, you have allowed a system of shame culture to embed in the school. That then becomes the seedbed for bullying and worse.

The past year must have been torture for the teachers. The case, which dragged on for months, could easily have been the end for Michaela. If the school had lost, everything would have fallen apart. And not just for that one school. It would have signified that schools could be bullied into changing their principles because of one set of parents who had clearly either not understood the school they were signing their child up for, or who understood it very well and wanted to pull the whole thing down from inside.

Happily, the High Court this week ruled against the people bringing the case. The 83-page judgment said that the claimant had ‘at the very least impliedly accepted’ the rules of the school. The court accepted the school’s claim that allowing dozens of Muslim girls to pray in the school playground risked ‘undermining inclusion’ among pupils. Birbalsingh welcomed it as a ‘victory for all schools’, as indeed it is. But how was this case even brought, under a Conservative government which is meant to care about such things?

More importantly, I go back to my original question. Why should life have been made so difficult for the staff, teachers and parents of this demonstrably outstanding school? And why are there not hundreds of Michaela schools all across the country? (If you want one answer, look not far from Michaela, where a school set up by a Labour party adviser in the same period has plummeted down Ofsted’s rankings. Its founder will be advising the next Labour government.)

Why do people not celebrate Michaela and want more children to have the same education? The reason is that Birbalsingh and her school show up the utter failure of their critics. Michaela’s success is a rebuke to a whole class of malevolent or criminally inept educationalists. People who can’t build tear things down. If only we could become a nation that builds.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-triumph-of-katharine-birbalsingh/

The National Union of Students has voted in favour of banning the Union of Jewish Students.

No, not Berlin, 1934. No. Britain is 2024. The vote occurred at the NUS Conference, after a session which called to dismantle Israel as a “racist project of colonialism”.

And what did the UN do last week in response to 7 October? Voted to recognise the  Palestinians ( led by the fascist Muslim Brotherhood neonatal Hamas) as qualifying for full membership.

Murderous, barbaric pogroms and terrorism work.


If you don’t see where this is headed, you’re wilfully blind.


Honour roll: Argentina,  Czeckia, Hungary, US, Israel, PNG, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNOmV5YW0AEHoPN?.jpg

Frank wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 10:16am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 14th, 2023 at 10:07am: Take government money out of the so–called private schools and direct it to the public schools. Decent buildings, a/c, teaching facilities would help give teachers pride in their profession and lead to better teachers joining. So you think government school classrooms are increasingly chaotic and undisciplined because of lack of money? Even though, say, 50 years ago they had a lot less money and much much more discipline and orderliness. You really think that the answer to every problem and decline in education is more government funding?

Working conditions are quite important to teachers to be able to feel comfortable in teaching. I went to a high school where the teachers were being flippant about their job because of their workplace was not air conditioned. Students were hot and bothered by the summer weather. They shivered during the cold weather. You put air conditioners being powered by solar panels on the roofs, and the students will feel comfortable in doing their school work.

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 11^th, 2023 at 12:46pm:

On the same topic.  They are now introducing a new 4 day school week, and flexible school hours.  I am not sure if this is a good idea.

It's not unless one of the parents are going to be home at the same times.

It's tantamount to stupid as in this day and age both parents have to work to make ends meet.

Attending school 5 days a week is good practical for a working future.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 10:07am:

Take government money out of the so–called private schools and direct it to the public schools. Decent buildings, a/c, teaching facilities would help give teachers pride in their profession and lead to better teachers joining.

In fact most have those amenities already  .... the problem isn't facilities ...

it's the total lack of discipline, attitudes and behaviour of students that is driving them out of the profession.

They don't feel safe in the school environment, being threatened with bashing and sexual assault/rape, actual physical assault & constant verbal abuse.

We are reaping what has been sown.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 12:33pm:

So you have no solution to the problem.

And you don't either.

It's not funding and it's not lack of modern amenities. P&Cs across the country work tirelessly to assist state school funding.

It's the non-existence of discipline at home and the inability of schools to apply any discipline outside suspensions/expulsions because they are not allowed to under govt and education policy.

It's behavioral/attitudinal issues with students starting at Primary school level.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 12:42pm:

more strong masculine confident competant manly teachers would help. kids dont respond to neurotic fragile female snowflake teachers. teachers probably need to have a mentality similar to a warrant officer in the army and treat the kids the way recruits get treated strong boundaries and zero tolerance for BS only this wll enable children to find a place of calm from which they can learn a weak teacher with no boundaries is toxic to a child who needs boundaries so he/she can feel at ease

The competent manly teachers have left or are leaving ..... I'm sure you know why?

Jasin wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 1:28pm:

Definitely more than just one right answer here. The Private System should be prevented from 'ripping off' the Government Schools of their fundings. The Govt Schools need more funding for better 'quality' Schools and Teaching. It's atrocious to see all these Govt School Teachers go on strike again and again for MORE MONEY IN 'THEIR' POCKETS'. While most are hardly there and classes are conducted by RELIEF TEACHERS. It's a bloody sham. More Teachers - smaller classes - better quality experience for both Staff and Pupils. Discipline is not just needed for Students, but the Teachers need a new disciplinary culture as well. This is how bad things have become in Government (NSW) Schools. ...Teachers smoking/vaping during Playground Duty? C'mon! >:(

What did they do back when you went to school?

It's one of the only times they get to have a smoke.... it they're that way inclined.

Frank wrote on May 13^th, 2024 at 6:30pm:

The National Union of Students has voted in favour of banning the Union of Jewish Students. No, not Berlin, 1934. No. Britain is 2024. The vote occurred at the NUS Conference, after a session which called to dismantle Israel as a “racist project of colonialism”. And what did the UN do last week in response to 7 October? Voted to recognise the  Palestinians ( led by the fascist Muslim Brotherhood neonatal Hamas) as qualifying for full membership. Murderous, barbaric pogroms and terrorism work. If you don’t see where this is headed, you’re wilfully blind. Honour roll: Argentina,  Czeckia, Hungary, US, Israel, PNG, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNOmV5YW0AEHoPN?.jpg

Yes & so did Australia via our Foreign Minister Penny Wong & the Albanese govt.

They have now given the green light to anti-Semitism, anti-Israeli Jew hating Muslims/Palestinian supporters in Australia.

What a national disgrace.

Gnads wrote on May 14^th, 2024 at 8:50am:

What a national disgrace.

Cry it out, middle-age entitled while male. Cry.It.Out.

"while male"   LoL   ::)

Bias_2012 wrote on May 14^th, 2024 at 11:49am:

"while male"   LoL   ::)

Should she have said 'bitch'?

The only people whinging about the quality of education are alt-right loonies who are throwing a hissy fit over what study, research and analysis has taught us.

Poor little sausages wanted the learned to validate them instead.

John Smith wrote on May 14^th, 2024 at 2:20pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 11:49am: "while male"   LoL   ::) Should she have said 'bitch'?

She wasn't talking about you Fido 5 dogs.

mothra wrote on May 15^th, 2024 at 6:38am:

The only people whinging about the quality of education are alt-right loonies who are throwing a hissy fit over what study, research and analysis has taught us. Poor little sausages wanted the learned to validate them instead.

The only people crying in the last 10 years have been you lunatic lefties of 'media-celebrity' mentality and fake politics like an acting role. Go sing a song of six-pence and stay out of politics.

Jasin wrote on May 15^th, 2024 at 7:20am:

mothra wrote on May 15th, 2024 at 6:38am: The only people whinging about the quality of education are alt-right loonies who are throwing a hissy fit over what study, research and analysis has taught us. Poor little sausages wanted the learned to validate them instead. The only people crying in the last 10 years have been you lunatic lefties of 'media-celebrity' mentality and fake politics like an acting role. Go sing a song of six-pence and stay out of politics.

Are you not aware of the thread you're in?

I'm not the one crying over educational standards. I'm pretty much in synch with current findings across the board.

it's you lot on here who wail, gnash your dentures and threaten us with you zimmer frames all day, every day.

I prefer to say 'Topic' Mothra.
It's a more educated description than the word 'thread'.  ;)

Marla wrote on May 14^th, 2024 at 8:56am:

Gnads wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 8:50am: What a national disgrace. Cry it out, middle-age entitled while male. Cry.It.Out.

Says the gormless Woke White Weedhead from Colorado flying high in the Rockies skies.

Bias_2012 wrote on May 14^th, 2024 at 11:49am:

"while male"   LoL   ::)

Seems like a bit of male bashing going on from Marla.

I saw my old high school with airconditioned classrooms and solar panels on all of the roofs. I felt the jealousy of not having had those conditions. Then I realised that my parents went to high school, having not even the use of ceiling fans.

DEI education is a failure


Vanderbilt to end ‘inherently exclusionary’ honors program



In his research, [sociology professor, Andrew] Cognard-Black… reported many college honours programmes do not have “proportional representation” of minority students, especially blacks and Hispanics, compared to the demographics of their student bodies.

Mebbe black and Hispanic do not value education in the same proportion as other demographics. Why IS that?

And to alleviate that difference of valuing " problematic academic rigour",  exceptional students will now be obliged to mingle with those less academically inclined, and offered an education “accessible to all,” one “open to the voices of divergent experiences.”


Can't have hierarchies of excellence. It's 'exclusionary'.

Firstborn got her ATAR results back while we're on holidays, her score will get her into a double degree in law and economics at any uni she decided. So the decision is on for Sydney Uni, ANU or Melbs.

Gordon wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 5:40pm:

Firstborn got her ATAR results back while we're on holidays, her score will get her into a double degree in law and economics at any uni she decided. So the decision is on for Sydney Uni, ANU or Melbs.

Don't let her go to uni and sleep in the same room as she did in primary school.

Frank wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 5:53pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 20th, 2024 at 5:40pm: Firstborn got her ATAR results back while we're on holidays, her score will get her into a double degree in law and economics at any uni she decided. So the decision is on for Sydney Uni, ANU or Melbs. Don't let her go to uni and sleep in the same room as she did in primary school.

I like that!
We're in a new house but she's also such a mature young lady now. Has very little interest in frivolous crap like many her age.

I'd like her to go to ANU for a year then maybe transfer to Sydney and then throw a year overseas exchange into the mix, that or start at Sydney because she haa some incredible job offers she can take advantage of if she stays local, then an overseas exchange.

Gordon wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 5:40pm:

Firstborn got her ATAR results back while we're on holidays, her score will get her into a double degree in law and economics at any uni she decided. So the decision is on for Sydney Uni, ANU or Melbs.

We had a debate on medicine or law a few years ago.

Doctors pay medical indemnity insurance lawyers collect the payouts.

If she doesn't want to represent criminals she could work for  the prosecution.

Sydney Uni was good once upon a time it has become a woke cesspit

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 6:04pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 20th, 2024 at 5:40pm: Firstborn got her ATAR results back while we're on holidays, her score will get her into a double degree in law and economics at any uni she decided. So the decision is on for Sydney Uni, ANU or Melbs. We had a debate on medicine or law a few years ago. Doctors pay medical indemnity insurance lawyers collect the payouts. If she doesn't want to represent criminals she could work for  the prosecution. Sydney Uni was good once upon a time it has become a woke cesspit

Her real interest is in economics, and she just about got a perfect score in that subject. According  her she's doing the double degree to ensure employability, has zero interest in criminal law.

Economics is good a friends daughter has worked in New York and London along with major role in one of our banks.

She is raking it in.

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 6:17pm:

Economics is good a friends daughter has worked in New York and London along with major role in one of our banks. She is raking it in.

The good thing is, it's not just a choice but her passion and first choice. Earlier in the year Sydney Uni sent out a test paper to any school that wanted to participate, called it EconomicsOlympiad, she got a high distinction and won a place to attend the monthly RBA governors speech and a lunch at a fancy hotel.

Tell her she will work for over 40 years before she retires so best to work in a field she finds interesting.

If you like your job it makes life easier.

mothra wrote on May 15^th, 2024 at 7:36am:

Are you not aware of the thread you're in? I'm not the one crying over educational standards. I'm pretty much in synch with current findings across the board. it's you lot on here who wail, gnash your dentures and threaten us with you zimmer frames all day, every day.

'Course you are, did-ums - it's a direct outcome of the education system ..... you are so funny at times...

                                                             ;D                   ;D                   ;D

UnSubRocky wrote on May 15^th, 2024 at 2:33pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on May 14th, 2024 at 11:49am: "while male"   LoL   ::) Seems like a bit of male bashing going on from Marla.

Just another aspect of Clone House here... by their utterances shall ye know them!!

Well ... Sydney hates Jews and is ruled by the feminists ..... ANU hates everyone who isn't Black, Pallie or a running dog ... ..... Melb is a sisified group of foreign job circle-jerkers who know everything in the traditional fashion of the unknowing....

All are pretty much marked for soon-to-be restructuring...

It's a hard call...... my daughter holds the record for knocking back NIDA - and boy preferred to be a chef.

Gordon wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 6:00pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 20th, 2024 at 5:53pm: Gordon wrote on Dec 20th, 2024 at 5:40pm: Firstborn got her ATAR results back while we're on holidays, her score will get her into a double degree in law and economics at any uni she decided. So the decision is on for Sydney Uni, ANU or Melbs. Don't let her go to uni and sleep in the same room as she did in primary school. I like that! We're in a new house but she's also such a mature young lady now. Has very little interest in frivolous crap like many her age. I'd like her to go to ANU for a year then maybe transfer to Sydney and then throw a year overseas exchange into the mix, that or start at Sydney because she haa some incredible job offers she can take advantage of if she stays local, then an overseas exchange.

Do not commute to uni from home. Childhood must be left behind.
Exchange overseas is essential.
Group of 8 unis have good overseas partners but other unis have good ones too. Best in disipline is important.
There is no real point in changing Australian universities half way through unless something unknown at the start becomes known.

I have a son at ANU doing mathematics.  He likes it although it is as pc as the rest.

Law is the new/old Arts degree. It's the last of the rigorous - up to a point - humanities degrees. It is also one of the original degrees universities were set up for in the middle ages. It is a crowded field.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 20^th, 2024 at 6:58pm:

Well ... Sydney hates Jews and is ruled by the feminists ..... ANU hates everyone who isn't Black, Pallie or a running dog ... ..... Melb is a sisified group of foreign job circle-jerkers who know everything in the traditional fashion of the unknowing.... All are pretty much marked for soon-to-be restructuring... It's a hard call...... my daughter holds the record for knocking back NIDA - and boy preferred to be a chef.

My university is run by a racist heterophobe ultraliberal with an alleged agenda to turn a reasonable regional campus into some kind of front for criminal organisation. The moment he mentioned that he was disappointed by the 61 to 39 result for the Voice, I knew it was the end of humanity in the university here.

The very first week when I went and did the orientation, I was subjected to the aboriginal supremacist bullshit. If I had known then what I know now, I would not have wasted 18 months of my time and just gotten a job elsewhere. Maybe the curiosity of what was going on had gotten the better of me.