Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well.

This is one such gem. 

(If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.)

If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza?

Aussie wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 9:48pm:

Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well. This is one such gem.  (If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.) If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza?

Not much of a gem there Aussie.

For starters it’s merely a what IF scenario (which we all know would never occur).

Let’s stick with the what IS scenario.

Aussie wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 9:48pm:

Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well. This is one such gem.  (If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.) If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza?

Would any of you care if Hamas were slaughtering the jews in Israel?

Would Hamas listen to calls for a ceasefire if they had the chance to wipe out Israel?

Civilian deaths are a part of war it's called collateral damage can you name one war that hasn't had civilian deaths?

Israel is not randomly bombing Gaza they are hitting Hamas military targets the have high resolution video of every bomb and missile they fire.

Israel also knows when and where every rocket Hamas fires comes from and where it will land. They only use Iron Dome to shoot down rockets and missiles that have potential to cause deaths. They don't bother shooting rockets down that will land in empty fields.

Hamas doesn't know where the 10,000 rockets they have fired will land they are aimed at civilian areas and have hit hospitals in Israel and Gaza. Hamas are still firing rockets today.

ABC= Fake news we should sell it off.

Aussie wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 9:48pm:

Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well. This is one such gem.  (If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.) If Hamas was positioned in Israel,             would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza?

But Hamas is not 'positioned in Israel'. 

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 9:58pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 6th, 2023 at 9:48pm: Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well. This is one such gem.  (If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.) If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza? Would any of you care if Hamas were slaughtering the jews in Israel? Would Hamas listen to calls for a ceasefire if they had the chance to wipe out Israel? Civilian deaths are a part of war it's called collateral damage can you name one war that hasn't had civilian deaths? Israel is not randomly bombing Gaza they are hitting Hamas military targets the have high resolution video of every bomb and missile they fire. Israel also knows when and where every rocket Hamas fires comes from and where it will land. They only use Iron Dome to shoot down rockets and missiles that have potential to cause deaths. They don't bother shooting rockets down that will land in empty fields. Hamas doesn't know where the 10,000 rockets they have fired will land they are aimed at civilian areas and have hit hospitals in Israel and Gaza. Hamas are still firing rockets today. ABC= Fake news we should sell it off.

Who should we sell it to, Baron?

Oh, that's right. Tucker Carlson has $1 to slip in.

In for the pennies, no?

A poster in another thread suggested that we [Australians] should refrain from vilifying followers of ISLAM [in Australia].
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1698205565/5#5

That such criticism of moslems [in Australia], would be 'uncivilised' ?

vilify = = speak or write about in an abusively disparaging manner.

Here ya go Aussie..........
[AN EXAMPLE OF FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM, IN AUSTRALIA, SPEAKING FOR THEMSELVES].........

NOTE, ABC 'material'.......
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-17/hyde-park-protests-ongoing/4264416

In the image at the link, we can plainly see, Aussie followers of ISLAM demonstrating exactly what it is, that ISLAM inculcates, into the heart of its followers.

We do not need to have followers ISLAM living here in Australia.   !!   ......in the same way that Israel has little use for followers ISLAM either.

inculcate = = instil (an idea or habit) by persistent instruction.



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HAVE WE LEARNT ANYTHING YET ?

AN EXAMPLE   ....in Australia.

----- >    These are Australian moslem children who were    OPENLY VERBALIZING
what they have been taught about their religion,
within their own homes - in Australia.


Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1504079978/14#14

Quote:

'Teacher quits after     primary school     students threaten to behead her' QUESTION; Where do moslem children living in Australia get these ideas from ?

Q.
Why would a [sane] governing authority, of any first world nation,
in 2022,   CHOOSE    to host whole communities of people [a people who separate themselves from others, and]
who declare that they believe, that they have a lawful right to murder persons who do not believe as they believe ?



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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1

Quote:

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac" - Yadda QUESTION; What about the innocent moslems ? IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems. How so [logically] ? QUESTION; How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ? QUESTION; How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],      ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ? QUESTION; How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],     ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

Oh Y, thank G_d you're back. While you were out, the Muselman didn't do a thing. He just clung on, leaching off us all, as ever.

Typical.

Strange. While you were out, the white supremacists were the problem. For the past five years it's been Moslem == a follower of DL. The Muselman only started behaving badly in Palestine just before you returned, It's uncanny.

Serendipity, no?

Serendipity == the occurrence and development of events by chance in a happy or beneficial way.

@ Reply #6,



Mattyfisk,

QUESTIONS;
What is the connection between,
1/ 'Hamas' ['palestinians'] in Israel believing they have a LAWFUL right to behead and to murder persons ?
and,
2/ The belief of moslem 'children' [being educated, here, in WOKE Australia], ALSO believing, that they have a LAWFUL right to behead and to murder persons ?



QUESTION;
WHAT 'MOTIVATOR' COULD BE   >> THE CAUSE <<   OF THE COMMON GRIEVENCE, within different 'communities' of persons [who are separated by continents and by oceans],
yet, both groups of persons are 'possessed' of believing, that   >> they <<   posses a LAWFUL right to behead and to murder persons ?

SUPPORTING EVIDENCE for my claim......
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-17/hyde-park-protests-ongoing/4264416




Mattyfisk,
TO ME THE ANSWER SEEMS OBVIOUS.......
The 'common link' between   >> both groups <<  of people [i,e, 1/ 'Hamas' ['palestinians'] in Israel, and 2/ moslem 'children' living in WOKE Australia],
is that both groups publicly PRAISE the influence [upon themselves] of ISLAMIC religious doctrine.



Mattyfisk, please, in another of your eloquent posts, prove with logic and reason, how i must be mistaken.

Please prove to us all here, that the common connection which i draw, is simply a false and mistaken 'supposition'.

supposition = = an assumption or hypothesis.


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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1504079978/14#14

Quote:

'Teacher quits after     primary school     students threaten to behead her' QUESTION; Where do moslem children living in Australia get these ideas from ?

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 9:58pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 6th, 2023 at 9:48pm: Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well. This is one such gem.  (If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.) If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza? Would any of you care if Hamas were slaughtering the jews in Israel? Would Hamas listen to calls for a ceasefire if they had the chance to wipe out Israel? Civilian deaths are a part of war it's called collateral damage can you name one war that hasn't had civilian deaths? Israel is not randomly bombing Gaza they are hitting Hamas military targets the have high resolution video of every bomb and missile they fire. Israel also knows when and where every rocket Hamas fires comes from and where it will land. They only use Iron Dome to shoot down rockets and missiles that have potential to cause deaths. They don't bother shooting rockets down that will land in empty fields. Hamas doesn't know where the 10,000 rockets they have fired will land they are aimed at civilian areas and have hit hospitals in Israel and Gaza. Hamas are still firing rockets today. ABC= Fake news we should sell it off.

Israel is not randomly bombing Gaza they are hitting Hamas military targets.

Rubbish -
the whole of Gaza is being bombed into a pile of smoking rubble.
They might as well have hired B52s and done carpet bombing.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 7:35am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6th, 2023 at 9:58pm: Aussie wrote on Nov 6th, 2023 at 9:48pm: Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well. This is one such gem.  (If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.) If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza? Would any of you care if Hamas were slaughtering the jews in Israel? Would Hamas listen to calls for a ceasefire if they had the chance to wipe out Israel? Civilian deaths are a part of war it's called collateral damage can you name one war that hasn't had civilian deaths? Israel is not randomly bombing Gaza they are hitting Hamas military targets the have high resolution video of every bomb and missile they fire. Israel also knows when and where every rocket Hamas fires comes from and where it will land. They only use Iron Dome to shoot down rockets and missiles that have potential to cause deaths. They don't bother shooting rockets down that will land in empty fields. Hamas doesn't know where the 10,000 rockets they have fired will land they are aimed at civilian areas and have hit hospitals in Israel and Gaza. Hamas are still firing rockets today. ABC= Fake news we should sell it off. Israel is not randomly bombing Gaza they are hitting Hamas military targets. Rubbish - the whole of Gaza is being bombed into a pile of smoking rubble. They might as well have hired B52s and done carpet bombing.

Bobby - Hamas is hiding amongst civilians. They have bases under hospitals.

This is not like WW1 where there are 2 opposing sides staring at each other across an area called no man’s land.

Aussie wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 9:48pm:

Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well. This is one such gem.  (If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.) If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza?

Absurd, stupid nonsense. Not surprisingly you think it somehow clever or telling, Aarssie.


Would the IDF set up its artillery, command posts, munition depots etc in the basement of schools, hospitals, apartment buildings? Of course it wouldn't.
And if it did, would Hamas not target them? Of course it would target them.

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 7:43am:

Bobby - Hamas is hiding amongst civilians. They have bases under hospitals. This is not like WW1 where there are 2 opposing sides staring at each other across an area called no man’s land.

I know Lisa,
how would you feel if it was your house that was hit with a 500 pound bomb?
What is the excuse? -

"ohh a Hamas member was on a 2 way radio in your street
so we thought we'd flatten the whole street -
sorry about your house"

Bobby. wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 7:35am:

Israel is not randomly bombing Gaza they are hitting Hamas military targets. Rubbish - the whole of Gaza is being bombed into a pile of smoking rubble. They might as well have hired B52s and done carpet bombing.

B.S. bobby.



'palestinan' victims to date, divided by Gaza pop......
10,000 / 2.3 mil  =  0.0043478260869565


bobby,

If Israel is truly 'targeting civilians' in Gaza,
then they are not doing a very good/effective job.



bobby,

Israel claims that it is targeting [only] Hamas military infrastructure and Hamas militants,
BECAUSE IT MUST.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 7:52am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 7:43am: Bobby - Hamas is hiding amongst civilians. They have bases under hospitals. This is not like WW1 where there are 2 opposing sides staring at each other across an area called no man’s land. I know Lisa, how would you feel if it was your house that was hit with a 500 pound bomb? What is the excuse? - "ohh a Hamas member was on a 2 way radio in your street so we thought we'd flatten the whole street - sorry about your house"

Bobby

How would you like it if Hamas was based under your house? Would you stay there? Of course not. You’d use a little common sense and go live with friends/relatives. Elsewhere.

Frank wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 7:52am:

Aussie wrote on Nov 6th, 2023 at 9:48pm: Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well. This is one such gem.  (If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.) If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza? Absurd, stupid nonsense. Not surprisingly you think it somehow clever or telling, Aarssie. Would the IDF set up its artillery, command posts, munition depots etc in the basement of schools, hospitals, apartment buildings? Of course it wouldn't. And if it did, would Hamas not target them? Of course it would target them.

Hamas is a terrorist organisation and as such it targets anyone anywhere at any time...even people who are singing/dancing at an outdoor concert.

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 12:04pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 7:52am: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 7:43am: Bobby - Hamas is hiding amongst civilians. They have bases under hospitals. This is not like WW1 where there are 2 opposing sides staring at each other across an area called no man’s land. I know Lisa, how would you feel if it was your house that was hit with a 500 pound bomb? What is the excuse? - "ohh a Hamas member was on a 2 way radio in your street so we thought we'd flatten the whole street - sorry about your house" Bobby How would you like it if Hamas was based under your house? Would you stay there? Of course not. You’d use a little common sense and go live with friends/relatives. Elsewhere.

I know - I'd be angry with both Hamas and Israel.

Sometimes in life you can be the nicest person
but tragedy comes your way through the fault of others.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 12:08pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 12:04pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 7:52am: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 7:43am: Bobby - Hamas is hiding amongst civilians. They have bases under hospitals. This is not like WW1 where there are 2 opposing sides staring at each other across an area called no man’s land. I know Lisa, how would you feel if it was your house that was hit with a 500 pound bomb? What is the excuse? - "ohh a Hamas member was on a 2 way radio in your street so we thought we'd flatten the whole street - sorry about your house" Bobby How would you like it if Hamas was based under your house? Would you stay there? Of course not. You’d use a little common sense and go live with friends/relatives. Elsewhere. I know - I'd be angry with both Hamas and Israel. Sometimes in life you can be the nicest person but tragedy comes your way through the fault of others.

So you’d be too scared to stick around yes? You’d move. Of course you’d move. Why? Hamas aka your own home grown terrorist Palestinian organisation is in effect using YOU AND YOUR HOME as a shield to hide behind. You are in effect being abused by your OWN fellow countrymen.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 7:52am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 7:43am: Bobby - Hamas is hiding amongst civilians. They have bases under hospitals. This is not like WW1 where there are 2 opposing sides staring at each other across an area called no man’s land. I know Lisa, how would you feel if it was your house that was hit with a 500 pound bomb? What is the excuse? - "ohh a Hamas member was on a 2 way radio in your street so we thought we'd flatten the whole street - sorry about your house"

bobby, you shouldnt watch the footage


did you know after 9/11 studies of people showed that those who watched more then 20 hrs of footage had a higher rate of PTSD then people who were actually in the towers and survived.

your brain cant distinguish

i dont watch gaza
i dont watch car accidents at daylesford
none of it.


stop seeing yourself  as a human


see yourself as a party or a house

YOU have control of who gets in and who doesnt

dont let debbie downers into the party.  rats and snakes dont get into the house.

you have a duty to yourself to keep the bad stuff out .

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 12:12pm:

So you’d be too scared to stick around yes? You’d move. Of course you’d move. Why? Hamas aka your own home grown terrorist Palestinian organisation is in effect using YOU AND YOUR HOME as a shield to hide behind. You are in effect being abused by your OWN fellow countrymen.

I would have done anything to get out of Gaza itself.

It reminds me of the beautiful city of Mariupol in Ukraine.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/28/mariupol-before-and-after-updated-google-maps-reveal-destruction-in-ukraine-city


Quote:

46% of the city’s building were damaged or destroyed in the siege, according to one estimate. In a city that was once home to more than 400,000, the UN estimates that up to 90% of its multi-storey residential buildings have been damaged or destroyed.

If I was living there I would have thought.
Why can't they take their bloody war out to the farmlands? -
Why destroy this whole beautiful city?

aquascoot wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 12:19pm:

bobby, you shouldnt watch the footage did you know after 9/11 studies of people showed that those who watched more then 20 hrs of footage had a higher rate of PTSD then people who were actually in the towers and survived. your brain cant distinguish i dont watch gaza i dont watch car accidents at daylesford none of it. stop seeing yourself  as a human see yourself as a party or a house YOU have control of who gets in and who doesnt dont let debbie downers into the party.  rats and snakes dont get into the house. you have a duty to yourself to keep the bad stuff out .

You have a point.
I could never understand the senseless loss of live and total destruction of war.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 12:24pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 12:19pm: bobby, you shouldnt watch the footage did you know after 9/11 studies of people showed that those who watched more then 20 hrs of footage had a higher rate of PTSD then people who were actually in the towers and survived. your brain cant distinguish i dont watch gaza i dont watch car accidents at daylesford none of it. stop seeing yourself  as a human see yourself as a party or a house YOU have control of who gets in and who doesnt dont let debbie downers into the party.  rats and snakes dont get into the house. you have a duty to yourself to keep the bad stuff out . You have a point. I could never understand the senseless loss of live and total destruction of war.

i watched a few shows on ill treatment of factory animals
didnt sleep well for a month

now you can use that to motivate you to take action (never buy woolies chickens or pork) but after that , further watching is insane


helpless animals distress me

i imagine helpless gazans distress some viewers

answer

dont watch it

use it as motivation to do something positive.

maybe find a member of the apex gang and tell him how much you admire his joggers.
tell him you have a hedge that needs trimming and you will pay him 100 bucks to come around with his machete

find the win/win.

the media are using the gazans as unpaid soap opera stars in a real live action realitv show,

if the entire population of the world refused to watch, cnn and deuthce vella and the bbc go home and hamas go back to herding their goats.

attention is cash
dont add more gas to the fire

Bobby. wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 12:23pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 12:12pm: So you’d be too scared to stick around yes? You’d move. Of course you’d move. Why? Hamas aka your own home grown terrorist Palestinian organisation is in effect using YOU AND YOUR HOME as a shield to hide behind. You are in effect being abused by your OWN fellow countrymen. I would have done anything to get out of Gaza itself. It reminds me of the beautiful city of Mariupol in Ukraine. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/28/mariupol-before-and-after-updated-google-maps-reveal-destruction-in-ukraine-city Quote: 46% of the city’s building were damaged or destroyed in the siege, according to one estimate. In a city that was once home to more than 400,000, the UN estimates that up to 90% of its multi-storey residential buildings have been damaged or destroyed. If I was living there I would have thought. Why can't they take their bloody war out to the farmlands? - Why destroy this whole beautiful city?

This morning while I was plugging in my chores for the day I kept thinking to myself ... if only we women could be in charge. I bet we could sort things out better ... and faster too. War is senseless. What does it achieve?

It then occurred to me that war is also a wonderful opportunity to make sh1tloads of money IF you’re into weapons production/distribution and/or if you hold shares in enterprises which specialise in these areas.

It’s seriously depressing really. I want nothing more than to wake up tomorrow morning and read that this war is over. 😔😩🥺

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 12:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 12:23pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 12:12pm: So you’d be too scared to stick around yes? You’d move. Of course you’d move. Why? Hamas aka your own home grown terrorist Palestinian organisation is in effect using YOU AND YOUR HOME as a shield to hide behind. You are in effect being abused by your OWN fellow countrymen. I would have done anything to get out of Gaza itself. It reminds me of the beautiful city of Mariupol in Ukraine. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/28/mariupol-before-and-after-updated-google-maps-reveal-destruction-in-ukraine-city Quote: 46% of the city’s building were damaged or destroyed in the siege, according to one estimate. In a city that was once home to more than 400,000, the UN estimates that up to 90% of its multi-storey residential buildings have been damaged or destroyed. If I was living there I would have thought. Why can't they take their bloody war out to the farmlands? - Why destroy this whole beautiful city? This morning while I was plugging in my chores for the day I kept thinking to myself ... if only we women could be in charge. I bet we could sort things out better ... and faster too. War is senseless. What does it achieve? It then occurred to me that war is also a wonderful opportunity to make sh1tloads of money IF you’re into weapons production/distribution and/or if you hold shares in enterprises which specialise in these areas. It’s seriously depressing really. I want nothing more than to wake up tomorrow morning and read that this war is over. 😔😩🥺

It's very depressing.    :'(

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 9:58pm:

Would any of you care if Hamas were slaughtering the jews in Israel?

Can you show ONE post from anyone supporting Hamas?

Frank wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 7:52am:

Aussie wrote on Nov 6th, 2023 at 9:48pm: Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well. This is one such gem.  (If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.) If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza? Absurd, stupid nonsense. Not surprisingly you think it somehow clever or telling, Aarssie. Would the IDF set up its artillery, command posts, munition depots etc in the basement of schools, hospitals, apartment buildings? Of course it wouldn't. And if it did, would Hamas not target them? Of course it would target them.

were you under the impression that Hamas actually has military infrastructure? :D :D :D

They're terrorists, not a military.

https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-11-06-23/index.html


More than 10,000 people have been killed in Gaza

since Israel launched its military offensive a month ago,
the Palestinian Ministry of Health in Ramallah said,
drawing from sources in the Hamas-controlled enclave.
Meanwhile, the UN chief warned
Gaza is "becoming a graveyard for children."

Bobby. wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 2:04pm:

https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-11-06-23/index.html More than 10,000 people have been killed in Gaza ............. Meanwhile, the UN chief warned Gaza is "becoming a graveyard for children."

bobby,

If that is true, then [in its war with Israelis],
Hamas [aka all followers of ISLAM in 'palestine'] are meeting its   >> DECLARED <<   [ISLAMIC] military objectives.

i.e.
Hamas is successfully fertilising the land of 'palestine' with THE BLOOD of their own children,
so that Israelis can grow and harvest, rich, red, tasty tomatoes.



bobby,

Please DO NOT BE OFFENDED by this statement, above.

That is NOT my claim, this is NOT my assertion.

That, is the assertion of the most holy warriors of ISLAM [aka the followers of ISLAM in 'palestine'].
[.....aka HAMAS,      militants, who are presently, safely, hiding in tunnels, hundreds of feet below the surface of Gaza.]

Allah wants the children of all moslems [followers of ISLAM in 'palestine'], to die, and to spill their blood onto the land of 'palestine'.

.......so that Israelis can harvest nice bunches, of red, tomatoes.


.


AS PER this direct declaration, BY the followers of ISLAM [aka, moslems] in 'palestine'........


Quote:

"Our children are our glory and honor, they were created to be fertilizer for the land of Palestine, and for our pure land to be saturated with their blood."

"Moderate" Palestinian Authority TV: Palestinian children created to fertilize the land with their blood
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/02/moderate-palestinian-authority-tv-palestinian-children-created-to-fertilize-the-land-with-their-bloo.html
2023 live link......      https://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/02/moderate-palestinian-authority-tv-palestinian-children-created-to-fertilize-the-land-with-their-bloo

cited on OzPol here......
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1621945743/7#7

Bobby. wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 12:55pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 12:50pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 12:23pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 12:12pm: So you’d be too scared to stick around yes? You’d move. Of course you’d move. Why? Hamas aka your own home grown terrorist Palestinian organisation is in effect using YOU AND YOUR HOME as a shield to hide behind. You are in effect being abused by your OWN fellow countrymen. I would have done anything to get out of Gaza itself. It reminds me of the beautiful city of Mariupol in Ukraine. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/28/mariupol-before-and-after-updated-google-maps-reveal-destruction-in-ukraine-city Quote: 46% of the city’s building were damaged or destroyed in the siege, according to one estimate. In a city that was once home to more than 400,000, the UN estimates that up to 90% of its multi-storey residential buildings have been damaged or destroyed. If I was living there I would have thought. Why can't they take their bloody war out to the farmlands? - Why destroy this whole beautiful city? This morning while I was plugging in my chores for the day I kept thinking to myself ... if only we women could be in charge. I bet we could sort things out better ... and faster too. War is senseless. What does it achieve? It then occurred to me that war is also a wonderful opportunity to make sh1tloads of money IF you’re into weapons production/distribution and/or if you hold shares in enterprises which specialise in these areas. It’s seriously depressing really. I want nothing more than to wake up tomorrow morning and read that this war is over. 😔😩🥺 It's very depressing.    :'(

I agree.  It is so sad to see so many people on both sides died.  And the worst thing is that this is not the first time, nor will it be the last time.  It will go on and on forever.   Growing up, I sometimes look at the areas around Middle East - in Jerusalem.  This place is meant to be the most sacred place for three of the largest major religions on Earth.   And yet... so much blood shed, so much tears have stained the soils.    Any future archeologist would think this place is cursed. 

John Smith wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 1:07pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 7:52am: Aussie wrote on Nov 6th, 2023 at 9:48pm: Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well. This is one such gem.  (If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.) If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza? Absurd, stupid nonsense. Not surprisingly you think it somehow clever or telling, Aarssie. Would the IDF set up its artillery, command posts, munition depots etc in the basement of schools, hospitals, apartment buildings? Of course it wouldn't. And if it did, would Hamas not target them? Of course it would target them. were you under the impression that Hamas actually has military infrastructure? :D :D :D They're terrorists, not a military.

And plus... by bombing all the civilian infrastructures, Hamas will have no shortages of new recruits. 

I once watched an interview on youtube somewhere but I cant find it anymore.  Where a reporter sat down with a member of Hamas.  The reporter asked him: is it because of religion?   The terrorist shook his head.  And replied:  "No, nothing to do with religion.  My whole family: my parents, my brothers and my sisters were all killed by Israel.  And if I did not join Hamas, I would have died from starvation like many other boys.  I have no hope for future.  All I have is hatred and revenge.   And when I die, I will be with my family." 

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 5:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 12:55pm: It's very depressing.    :'( I agree.  It is so sad to see so many people on both sides died.  And the worst thing is that this is not the first time, nor will it be the last time.  It will go on and on forever.   Growing up, I sometimes looks at the areas around Middle East - in Jerusalem.  This place is meant to be the most sacred place for three of the largest major religions on Earth.   And yet... so much blood shed, so much tears have stained the soils.    Any future archeologist would think this place is cursed.

It's supposed to be a sacred place of peace and prayer -

instead it's a place full of crimes like mass murder.

John Smith wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 1:07pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 7:52am: Aussie wrote on Nov 6th, 2023 at 9:48pm: Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well. This is one such gem.  (If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.) If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza? Absurd, stupid nonsense. Not surprisingly you think it somehow clever or telling, Aarssie. Would the IDF set up its artillery, command posts, munition depots etc in the basement of schools, hospitals, apartment buildings? Of course it wouldn't. And if it did, would Hamas not target them? Of course it would target them. were you under the impression that Hamas actually has military infrastructure? :D :D :D They're terrorists, not a military.

What is the 500Km tunnel system? Why do they have rockets and munitions stored in them? Where do they build them? Why do they use them to "pop up" behind the IDF to ambush them? I'm sure they are all natural formations... What do you class as military infrastructure? Do Hamas meet at the local street side coffee shop to discuss their plans for Israel's downfall sipping on a latte?

I'm guessing you wouldn't see the Maginot Line as military infrastructure either or the tunnels of the Viet Cong..

Aussie wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 9:48pm:

Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well. This is one such gem.  (If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.) If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza?

If Hamas was in Israel's position, we would have had another holocaust 70 years ago.

freediver wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 6th, 2023 at 9:48pm: Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well. This is one such gem.  (If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.) If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza? If Hamas was in Israel's position, we would have had another holocaust 70 years ago.

And it's so much fun playing "if'. Can I play ifs too?

If Hamas did not call for the destruction of Israel and annihilation of the Jews with the backing of Iran none of this would be happening. I'm happy to put forward more ifs if Aussie doesn't like that one.

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 5:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 1:07pm: Frank wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 7:52am: Aussie wrote on Nov 6th, 2023 at 9:48pm: Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well. This is one such gem.  (If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.) If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza? Absurd, stupid nonsense. Not surprisingly you think it somehow clever or telling, Aarssie. Would the IDF set up its artillery, command posts, munition depots etc in the basement of schools, hospitals, apartment buildings? Of course it wouldn't. And if it did, would Hamas not target them? Of course it would target them. were you under the impression that Hamas actually has military infrastructure? :D :D :D They're terrorists, not a military. And plus... by bombing all the civilian infrastructures, Hamas will have no shortages of new recruits.  I once watched an interview on youtube somewhere but I cant find it anymore.  Where a reporter sat down with a member of Hamas.  The reporter asked him: is it because of religion?   The terrorist shook his head.  And replied:  "No, nothing to do with religion.  My whole family: my parents, my brothers and my sisters were all killed by Israel.  And if I did not join Hamas, I would have died from starvation like many other boys.  I have no hope for future.  All I have is hatred and revenge.   And when I die, I will be with my family."

May his most fervent wish be granted....

Hamas leader says no civilians were killed or captured on Oct 7th he claims that is Zionist propaganda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egipqa0ZhUk

Does anyone remember Baghdad Bob from the first Iraq war?

I don't know why people believe a word Hamas say they are liars.

The Israelis still haven't identified all the victims from Oct 7th DNA testing takes time.

Who gives numbers for deaths in Gaza is it Hamas?

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None of the leftists give a stuff about civilian deaths if Jews aren't causing them. I wonder why.  ::)

Recent Saudi- Yemen war was Sunnis VS Iranian backed Houthi rebels in Yemen nearly half a million killed.

We have the war in Syria which was Iranian and Russian backed Shia VS Sunnis how many killed there?

Have a look at the video.

Quote:

This is what Russia, Iran, and Hizbollah did to Syria. While the whole world was watching and doing nothing. https://twitter.com/AsaadHannaa/status/1721709950412476494

If muslims aren't fighting the Jews they're fighting each other. What is the common denominator in this?

Does Baron masturbate to the footage of the IDF slaughtering little kids?

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 10:10pm:

None of the leftists give a stuff about civilian deaths if Jews aren't causing them. I wonder why.  ::) Recent Saudi- Yemen war was Sunnis VS Iranian backed Houthi rebels in Yemen nearly half a million killed. We have the war in Syria which was Iranian and Russian backed Shia VS Sunnis how many killed there? Have a look at the video. Quote: This is what Russia, Iran, and Hizbollah did to Syria. While the whole world was watching and doing nothing. https://twitter.com/AsaadHannaa/status/1721709950412476494 If muslims aren't fighting the Jews they're fighting each other. What is the common denominator in this?

What is the common denominator in this frequent mayhem ?

Er, could it be moslems themselves ?

Yeah, those poor moslems always seem to get a bad wrap [locally]......
......and yet the WOKE darlings just cannot see it.



Surely, the members of the local ISLAMIC community are the victims ?

Consider.    Wherever in the world they are found, members of 'the local ISLAMIC community' always seem to have legitimate grievances with others.

Surely members of [every] local ISLAMIC community are always seen to be, a persecuted group ?......
[sarc off]


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I do not like ISLAM [or those who 'subscribe' to its philosophy], and i have my reasons.

QUESTION;
Why was it, that not a single moslem [from the various public 'moslem' protests, on the day - who were carrying placards with threatening messages on them] was charged and convicted, of public disorder, and/or, of public incitment to commit murder ?
-------- >
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-17/hyde-park-protests-ongoing/4264416

[Our politicians. Our police. Our WOKE media.         Introduce them to the 'dispensers' of local ISLAMIC political spin,
and each group, become as useful to us [peaceful citizens of Australia], as tits on a bull.]

God help us.

Because our politicians. Our police. Our WOKE media.  ....has no want to do so.


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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1504079978/14#14

Quote:

'Teacher quits after     primary school     students threaten to behead her' QUESTION; Where do moslem children living in Australia get these ideas from ?

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Psalms 9:16
The LORD is known by the judgment which he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah.
17  The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

"the wicked"......       That is us, collectively.

'Hand basket', and 'hell'.



Psalms 5:4
For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.
5  The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
6  Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

'iniquity' can be translated as, LAWLESSNESS.

FREE, FREE.....ER....DARFUR!!

Reports from West #Darfur received today unveil that 773 African civilians including mostly teenagers, but women and elderly as well, have been massacred by the Jihadi #Janjaweed in the #Geneina area. Reports talks about hundreds burned and many detained and brutalized on their way for exodus. The Janjaweed are allies to a network of militias in the Middle East and North Africa that includes #Hamas and #Hezbollah. Voices from Darfur are urging the US and Europe, as well as the Arab League to intervene at once.
https://twitter.com/WalidPhares/status/1721684021262823436

Hamas, Janjaweed, Islamic Jihad - the pattern of barbarity for Allah is screamingly obvious.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 10:42pm:

Does Baron masturbate to the footage of the IDF slaughtering little kids?

Do you?

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Frank wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 7:12am:

FREE, FREE.....ER....DARFUR!! Reports from West #Darfur received today unveil that 773 African civilians including mostly teenagers, but women and elderly as well, have been massacred by the Jihadi #Janjaweed in the #Geneina area. Reports talks about hundreds burned and many detained and brutalized on their way for exodus. The Janjaweed are allies to a network of militias in the Middle East and North Africa that includes #Hamas and #Hezbollah. Voices from Darfur are urging the US and Europe, as well as the Arab League to intervene at once. https://twitter.com/WalidPhares/status/1721684021262823436 Hamas, Janjaweed, Islamic Jihad - the pattern of barbarity for Allah is screamingly obvious.

Death cult

I heard some Palestinian complaining that he had to walk for three hours to get to South Gaza
They are so addicted to victimhood
That they don't even seem to be up to a 3-hour walk

Suicide by cop would be an APT analogy

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 7:24am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 10:42pm: Does Baron masturbate to the footage of the IDF slaughtering little kids? Do you?

I think that is 110, 073 but it is hard to keep count

There might be the oddpost that doesn't contain references to rape child rape sexual assault
Masturbation anal sex the shape of trump's penis
Trump's daughters vagina

He is definitely worth studying

On the road to success we must study failure as much as we study success
When we see what a failure is doing we need to recognize this and to make sure we don't do it ourselves

I would certainly implore those of the noble right to not post sexual innuendo on the internet
It is the the depth of low vibration energy and depravity

Mr Fisk is also a repeat offender though he is only competing at club level compared to the elite performance being put in by the phenomenon Mr packery

aquascoot wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:22am:

I think that is 110, 073 but it is hard to keep count There might be the oddpost that doesn't contain references to rape child rape sexual assault Masturbation anal sex the shape of trump's penis Trump's daughters vagina He is definitely worth studying On the road to success we must study failure as much as we study success When we see what a failure is doing we need to recognize this and to make sure we don't do it ourselves I would certainly implore those of the noble right to not post sexual innuendo on the internet It is the the depth of low vibration energy and depravity Mr Fisk is also a repeat offender though he is only competing at club level compared to the elite performance being put in by the phenomenon Mr packery

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.3776190824.0604/st,small,507x507-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.jpg

Salad is very nutritious

I would classify your posts as junk posts
And like junk food
Probably best avoided

Setanta wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 7:57pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 6:44pm: Aussie wrote on Nov 6th, 2023 at 9:48pm: Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well. This is one such gem.  (If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.) If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza? If Hamas was in Israel's position, we would have had another holocaust 70 years ago. And it's so much fun playing "if'. Can I play ifs too? If Hamas did not call for the destruction of Israel and annihilation of the Jews with the backing of Iran none of this would be happening. I'm happy to put forward more ifs if Aussie doesn't like that one.

Agreed!

The 2nd post in this topic was mine. And it pretty much mirrors your sentiments Setanta.

Setanta wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 7:57pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 6:44pm: Aussie wrote on Nov 6th, 2023 at 9:48pm: Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well. This is one such gem.  (If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.) If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza? If Hamas was in Israel's position, we would have had another holocaust 70 years ago. And it's so much fun playing "if'. Can I play ifs too? If Hamas did not call for the destruction of Israel and annihilation of the Jews with the backing of Iran none of this would be happening. I'm happy to put forward more ifs if Aussie doesn't like that one.

Beat this one!

If we had put the State of Israel in Tasmania, none on  the poo would be happening in Arabia.

Aussie wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 10:27am:

Setanta wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 7:57pm: freediver wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 6:44pm: Aussie wrote on Nov 6th, 2023 at 9:48pm: Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well. This is one such gem.  (If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.) If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza? If Hamas was in Israel's position, we would have had another holocaust 70 years ago. And it's so much fun playing "if'. Can I play ifs too? If Hamas did not call for the destruction of Israel and annihilation of the Jews with the backing of Iran none of this would be happening. I'm happy to put forward more ifs if Aussie doesn't like that one. Beat this one! If we had put the State of Israel in Tasmania, none of the poo would be happening in Arabia.

Don’t worry Setanta I’ve got this lol:

I have an even better one :

IF we could put YOU on the moon with no internet access - none of the s hit you are posting in this topic would be happening on OzPol.

Here's an even better 'if'...

If Hamas and Palestinians had breached the boundary, broken into Israeli homes and lectured Israelis about the justness of the Palestinian cause, then left, leaving them unharmed, and returned to Gaza voluntarily, they would have elevated the Palestinian cause to new heights in the eyes of Israelis and the world.

Instead, they intended to destroy the Palestinian cause by evoking uncontrollable Israeli rage, such that there would be nothing left for the Gazan Palestinians but martyrdom.

In that, Hamas succeeded beyond its wildest expectations, and for that reason, Gaza will be destroyed.

Aussie wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 10:27am:

Setanta wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 7:57pm: freediver wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 6:44pm: Aussie wrote on Nov 6th, 2023 at 9:48pm: Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well. This is one such gem.  (If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.) If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza? If Hamas was in Israel's position, we would have had another holocaust 70 years ago. And it's so much fun playing "if'. Can I play ifs too? If Hamas did not call for the destruction of Israel and annihilation of the Jews with the backing of Iran none of this would be happening. I'm happy to put forward more ifs if Aussie doesn't like that one. Beat this one! If we had put the State of Israel in Tasmania, none on  the poo would be happening in Arabia.

But der great Schtaat of Israel is where it always belonged...... a Homeland Restored...... Tasmania, Schmasmania....

I have also observed another interesting fact. 

If you look at the recognized Israel - Palestine border on this link: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-54116567

Scroll down to  UN parition plan for Palestine. 

And then you double check this map from ABC - Map showing the Hamas attack sites in Israel

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-08/map-showing-the-hamas-attack-sites-in-israel/102948938

It seemed to be that, attack sites like: Kerem Shalom, Kibbutz - Sufa, Re'im, Be'er, Kfar Azza, Sderot, and Netiv Haasara are all within what UN defined as illegal occupied territories.  Does this change perception of things? 

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:19pm:

I have also observed another interesting fact.  If you look at the recognized Israel - Palestine border on this link: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-54116567 Scroll down to  UN parition plan for Palestine.  And then you double check this map from ABC - Map showing the Hamas attack sites in Israel https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-08/map-showing-the-hamas-attack-sites-in-israel/102948938 It seemed to be that, attack sites like: Kerem Shalom, Kibbutz - Sufa, Re'im, Be'er, Kfar Azza, Sderot, and Netiv Haasara are all within what UN defined as illegal occupied territories.  Does think change perception of things?

No - the extension of a cordon sanitaire to move Hamas rockets further away from Israel via settlement is legitimate and the blame still reverts to Hamas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JjVg0Sbsh4

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:22pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 8:19pm: I have also observed another interesting fact.  If you look at the recognized Israel - Palestine border on this link: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-54116567 Scroll down to  UN parition plan for Palestine.  And then you double check this map from ABC - Map showing the Hamas attack sites in Israel https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-08/map-showing-the-hamas-attack-sites-in-israel/102948938 It seemed to be that, attack sites like: Kerem Shalom, Kibbutz - Sufa, Re'im, Be'er, Kfar Azza, Sderot, and Netiv Haasara are all within what UN defined as illegal occupied territories.  Does think change perception of things?  No - the extension of a cordon sanitaire to move Hamas rockets further away from Israel via settlement is legitimate and the blame still reverts to Hamas.

The settlements attacked were not part of the security barrier.  Otherwise, it should not have any civilians in it - esp Israelis.  They are illegal settlements as per UN resolution.    Or perhaps, you believe the Israelis were intentionally put there by their government for purpose of ultimately ejecting the palestinians?

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 5:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 1:07pm: Frank wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 7:52am: Aussie wrote on Nov 6th, 2023 at 9:48pm: Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well. This is one such gem.  (If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.) If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza? Absurd, stupid nonsense. Not surprisingly you think it somehow clever or telling, Aarssie. Would the IDF set up its artillery, command posts, munition depots etc in the basement of schools, hospitals, apartment buildings? Of course it wouldn't. And if it did, would Hamas not target them? Of course it would target them. were you under the impression that Hamas actually has military infrastructure? :D :D :D They're terrorists, not a military. And plus... by bombing all the civilian infrastructures, Hamas will have no shortages of new recruits.  I once watched an interview on youtube somewhere but I cant find it anymore.  Where a reporter sat down with a member of Hamas.  The reporter asked him: is it because of religion?   The terrorist shook his head.  And replied:  "No, nothing to do with religion.  My whole family: my parents, my brothers and my sisters were all killed by Israel.  And if I did not join Hamas, I would have died from starvation like many other boys.  I have no hope for future.  All I have is hatred and revenge.   And when I die, I will be with my family."

Yep. That's the most ridiculous part about it. The idf KNOWS that killing civilians will bolster Hamas' ranks. But for some reason they still do it. It's almost as if they're deliberately trying to extend their victim status so that the terminally stupid will keep supporting them.

Setanta wrote on Nov 7^th, 2023 at 6:30pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 1:07pm: Frank wrote on Nov 7th, 2023 at 7:52am: Aussie wrote on Nov 6th, 2023 at 9:48pm: Often enough, someone comes up with a telling point which highlights an issue so well. This is one such gem.  (If you watched Media Watch tonight you would have seen it as I did.) If Hamas was positioned in Israel, would the IDF be attacking it with the same lack of care for civilian deaths as is the case with Hamas in Gaza? Absurd, stupid nonsense. Not surprisingly you think it somehow clever or telling, Aarssie. Would the IDF set up its artillery, command posts, munition depots etc in the basement of schools, hospitals, apartment buildings? Of course it wouldn't. And if it did, would Hamas not target them? Of course it would target them. were you under the impression that Hamas actually has military infrastructure? :D :D :D They're terrorists, not a military. What is the 500Km tunnel system? Why do they have rockets and munitions stored in them? Where do they build them? Why do they use them to "pop up" behind the IDF to ambush them? I'm sure they are all natural formations... What do you class as military infrastructure? Do Hamas meet at the local street side coffee shop to discuss their plans for Israel's downfall sipping on a latte? I'm guessing you wouldn't see the Maginot Line as military infrastructure either or the tunnels of the Viet Cong..

Rats hide in tunnels too, they must have some secret army no one knows about

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 10:54am:

Here's an even better 'if'... If Hamas and Palestinians had breached the boundary, broken into Israeli homes and lectured Israelis about the justness of the Palestinian cause, then left, leaving them unharmed, and returned to Gaza voluntarily, they would have elevated the Palestinian cause to new heights in the eyes of Israelis and the world. Instead, they intended to destroy the Palestinian cause by evoking uncontrollable Israeli rage, such that there would be nothing left for the Gazan Palestinians but martyrdom. In that, Hamas succeeded beyond its wildest expectations, and for that reason, Gaza will be destroyed.

If you had a brain you'd still be stupid. Hamas are terrorists. 

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:19pm:

I have also observed another interesting fact.  If you look at the recognized Israel - Palestine border on this link: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-54116567 Scroll down to  UN parition plan for Palestine.  And then you double check this map from ABC - Map showing the Hamas attack sites in Israel https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-08/map-showing-the-hamas-attack-sites-in-israel/102948938 It seemed to be that, attack sites like: Kerem Shalom, Kibbutz - Sufa, Re'im, Be'er, Kfar Azza, Sderot, and Netiv Haasara are all within what UN defined as illegal occupied territories.  Does think change perception of things?

You're kidding right.  6000 dead Palestinians before this attack didn't make them pause their islamaphobia for even a second.  What hope has occupied lands?

John Smith wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:34pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 10:54am: Here's an even better 'if'... If Hamas and Palestinians had breached the boundary, broken into Israeli homes and lectured Israelis about the justness of the Palestinian cause, then left, leaving them unharmed, and returned to Gaza voluntarily, they would have elevated the Palestinian cause to new heights in the eyes of Israelis and the world. Instead, they intended to destroy the Palestinian cause by evoking uncontrollable Israeli rage, such that there would be nothing left for the Gazan Palestinians but martyrdom. In that, Hamas succeeded beyond its wildest expectations, and for that reason, Gaza will be destroyed. If you had a brain you'd still be stupid. Hamas are terrorists.

Ah, yeah... That'd be the point - it was never about the greater good of the Palestinians - all this 'river to the sea' that useful idiot white c~nts keep parroting... As if Hamas were freedom fighters for the Palestinian cause.

English is not your first language.

I can see now why you're obsessed with calling people morons... You're your family's dumb c~nt.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 8:34pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 10:54am: Here's an even better 'if'... If Hamas and Palestinians had breached the boundary, broken into Israeli homes and lectured Israelis about the justness of the Palestinian cause, then left, leaving them unharmed, and returned to Gaza voluntarily, they would have elevated the Palestinian cause to new heights in the eyes of Israelis and the world. Instead, they intended to destroy the Palestinian cause by evoking uncontrollable Israeli rage, such that there would be nothing left for the Gazan Palestinians but martyrdom. In that, Hamas succeeded beyond its wildest expectations, and for that reason, Gaza will be destroyed. If you had a brain you'd still be stupid. Hamas are terrorists.  Ah, yeah... That'd be the point - it was never about the greater good of the Palestinians - all this 'river to the sea' that useful idiot white c~nts keep parroting... As if Hamas were freedom fighters for the Palestinian cause. English is not your first language. I can see now why you're obsessed with calling people morons... You're your family's dumb c~nt.

I could be even dumber,  for example could think all Palestinians are hamas. That would make even a dumb cunt look like a genius by comparison  :D

John Smith wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:49pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 8:46pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 8:34pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 10:54am: Here's an even better 'if'... If Hamas and Palestinians had breached the boundary, broken into Israeli homes and lectured Israelis about the justness of the Palestinian cause, then left, leaving them unharmed, and returned to Gaza voluntarily, they would have elevated the Palestinian cause to new heights in the eyes of Israelis and the world. Instead, they intended to destroy the Palestinian cause by evoking uncontrollable Israeli rage, such that there would be nothing left for the Gazan Palestinians but martyrdom. In that, Hamas succeeded beyond its wildest expectations, and for that reason, Gaza will be destroyed. If you had a brain you'd still be stupid. Hamas are terrorists.  Ah, yeah... That'd be the point - it was never about the greater good of the Palestinians - all this 'river to the sea' that useful idiot white c~nts keep parroting... As if Hamas were freedom fighters for the Palestinian cause. English is not your first language. I can see now why you're obsessed with calling people morons... You're your family's dumb c~nt. I could be even dumber,  for example could think all Palestinians are hamas. That would make even a dumb cunt look like a genius by comparison  :D

Who thinks all Palestinians are Hamas fighters/supporters... Outside your own mind, of course?

John Smith wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:38pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 8:19pm: I have also observed another interesting fact.  If you look at the recognized Israel - Palestine border on this link: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-54116567 Scroll down to  UN parition plan for Palestine.  And then you double check this map from ABC - Map showing the Hamas attack sites in Israel https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-08/map-showing-the-hamas-attack-sites-in-israel/102948938 It seemed to be that, attack sites like: Kerem Shalom, Kibbutz - Sufa, Re'im, Be'er, Kfar Azza, Sderot, and Netiv Haasara are all within what UN defined as illegal occupied territories.  Does think change perception of things?  You're kidding right.  6000 dead Palestinians before this attack didn't make them pause their islamaphobia for even a second.  What hope has occupied lands?

Its such a difficult situations.   The Jewish people had suffered so much over so many centuries in Europe, Africa and Middle East.  And when they finally have their homeland - much due to discrimination and holocaust from their host countries.  They found themselves in a land surrounded by people who also does not like them, as well as complex geopolitics of greater powers like Russia and USA.   So for survival, they have to go to the extremes.  But make no mistakes.  They know that their extreme actions will also cause extreme reactions.  And this is the land of Middle East in a nutshell.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2023 at 9:58pm:

Would any of you care if Hamas were slaughtering the jews in Israel?

Yes I suspect all of us.

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 8:38pm: tickleandrose wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 8:19pm: I have also observed another interesting fact.  If you look at the recognized Israel - Palestine border on this link: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-54116567 Scroll down to  UN parition plan for Palestine.  And then you double check this map from ABC - Map showing the Hamas attack sites in Israel https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-08/map-showing-the-hamas-attack-sites-in-israel/102948938 It seemed to be that, attack sites like: Kerem Shalom, Kibbutz - Sufa, Re'im, Be'er, Kfar Azza, Sderot, and Netiv Haasara are all within what UN defined as illegal occupied territories.  Does think change perception of things?  You're kidding right.  6000 dead Palestinians before this attack didn't make them pause their islamaphobia for even a second.  What hope has occupied lands? Its such a difficult situations.   The Jewish people had suffered so much over so many centuries in Europe, Africa and Middle East.  And when they finally have their homeland - much due to discrimination and holocaust from their host countries.  They found themselves in a land surrounded by people who also does not like them, as well as complex geopolitics of greater powers like Russia and USA.   So for survival, they have to go to the extremes.  But make no mistakes.  They know that their extreme actions will also cause extreme reactions.  And this is the land of Middle East in a nutshell.

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The Jewish people had suffered so much over so many centuries in Europe

So that means its ok for them to do the same to others?

They should be the first to know better.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 8:49pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 8:46pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 8:34pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 10:54am: Here's an even better 'if'... If Hamas and Palestinians had breached the boundary, broken into Israeli homes and lectured Israelis about the justness of the Palestinian cause, then left, leaving them unharmed, and returned to Gaza voluntarily, they would have elevated the Palestinian cause to new heights in the eyes of Israelis and the world. Instead, they intended to destroy the Palestinian cause by evoking uncontrollable Israeli rage, such that there would be nothing left for the Gazan Palestinians but martyrdom. In that, Hamas succeeded beyond its wildest expectations, and for that reason, Gaza will be destroyed. If you had a brain you'd still be stupid. Hamas are terrorists.  Ah, yeah... That'd be the point - it was never about the greater good of the Palestinians - all this 'river to the sea' that useful idiot white c~nts keep parroting... As if Hamas were freedom fighters for the Palestinian cause. English is not your first language. I can see now why you're obsessed with calling people morons... You're your family's dumb c~nt. I could be even dumber,  for example could think all Palestinians are hamas. That would make even a dumb cunt look like a genius by comparison  :D Who thinks all Palestinians are Hamas fighters/supporters... Outside your own mind, of course?

This idiot who said this
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John Smith wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 9:05pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 8:57pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 8:49pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 8:46pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 8:34pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 10:54am: Here's an even better 'if'... If Hamas and Palestinians had breached the boundary, broken into Israeli homes and lectured Israelis about the justness of the Palestinian cause, then left, leaving them unharmed, and returned to Gaza voluntarily, they would have elevated the Palestinian cause to new heights in the eyes of Israelis and the world. Instead, they intended to destroy the Palestinian cause by evoking uncontrollable Israeli rage, such that there would be nothing left for the Gazan Palestinians but martyrdom. In that, Hamas succeeded beyond its wildest expectations, and for that reason, Gaza will be destroyed. If you had a brain you'd still be stupid. Hamas are terrorists.  Ah, yeah... That'd be the point - it was never about the greater good of the Palestinians - all this 'river to the sea' that useful idiot white c~nts keep parroting... As if Hamas were freedom fighters for the Palestinian cause. English is not your first language. I can see now why you're obsessed with calling people morons... You're your family's dumb c~nt. I could be even dumber,  for example could think all Palestinians are hamas. That would make even a dumb cunt look like a genius by comparison  :D Who thinks all Palestinians are Hamas fighters/supporters... Outside your own mind, of course? This idiot who said this ' Quote: If Hamas and Palestinians '

Because some Palestinian non-combatants did cross into Israel with Hamas fighters.

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 8:38pm: tickleandrose wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 8:19pm: I have also observed another interesting fact.  If you look at the recognized Israel - Palestine border on this link: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-54116567 Scroll down to  UN parition plan for Palestine.  And then you double check this map from ABC - Map showing the Hamas attack sites in Israel https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-08/map-showing-the-hamas-attack-sites-in-israel/102948938 It seemed to be that, attack sites like: Kerem Shalom, Kibbutz - Sufa, Re'im, Be'er, Kfar Azza, Sderot, and Netiv Haasara are all within what UN defined as illegal occupied territories.  Does think change perception of things?  You're kidding right.  6000 dead Palestinians before this attack didn't make them pause their islamaphobia for even a second.  What hope has occupied lands? Its such a difficult situations.   The Jewish people had suffered so much over so many centuries in Europe, Africa and Middle East.  And when they finally have their homeland - much due to discrimination and holocaust from their host countries.  They found themselves in a land surrounded by people who also does not like them, as well as complex geopolitics of greater powers like Russia and USA.   So for survival, they have to go to the extremes.  But make no mistakes.  They know that their extreme actions will also cause extreme reactions.  And this is the land of Middle East in a nutshell.

The Jews weren't the only people some nutjob has tried to exterminate over the centuries . But they're the only ones who think it entitles them to do the exterminating. 
I have no problem with Israel defending itself.  They can go after hamas all they want. Kill them all, they deserve it. But there are tens of thousands of innocent people stuck in the middle of all this. People just trying to get on with their lives,   raise their families,
watch their children grow etc .  For Israel to indiscriminately target these innocents for their blood-lust makes them no different to any other terrorist.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 9:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:05pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 8:57pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 8:49pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 8:46pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 8:34pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 10:54am: Here's an even better 'if'... If Hamas and Palestinians had breached the boundary, broken into Israeli homes and lectured Israelis about the justness of the Palestinian cause, then left, leaving them unharmed, and returned to Gaza voluntarily, they would have elevated the Palestinian cause to new heights in the eyes of Israelis and the world. Instead, they intended to destroy the Palestinian cause by evoking uncontrollable Israeli rage, such that there would be nothing left for the Gazan Palestinians but martyrdom. In that, Hamas succeeded beyond its wildest expectations, and for that reason, Gaza will be destroyed. If you had a brain you'd still be stupid. Hamas are terrorists.  Ah, yeah... That'd be the point - it was never about the greater good of the Palestinians - all this 'river to the sea' that useful idiot white c~nts keep parroting... As if Hamas were freedom fighters for the Palestinian cause. English is not your first language. I can see now why you're obsessed with calling people morons... You're your family's dumb c~nt. I could be even dumber,  for example could think all Palestinians are hamas. That would make even a dumb cunt look like a genius by comparison  :D Who thinks all Palestinians are Hamas fighters/supporters... Outside your own mind, of course? This idiot who said this ' Quote: If Hamas and Palestinians ' Because some Palestinian non-combatants did cross into Israel with Hamas fighters.

Into Israel? Lets ignore that that was Palestinian occupied territory. 
Palestinian non combatants often go into Israel.  For a raft of reasons. 

John Smith wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 9:14pm:

The Jews weren't the only people some nutjob has tried to exterminate over the centuries . But they're the only ones who think it entitles them to do the exterminating.  I have no problem with Israel defending itself.  They can go after hamas all they want. Kill them all, they deserve it. But there are tens of thousands of innocent people stuck in the middle of all this. People just trying to get on with their lives,   raise their families, watch their children grow etc .  For Israel to indiscriminately target these innocents for their blood-lust makes them no different to any other terrorist.

How many Italian civilians were killed by the Allies to get rid of Il Duce and his Fascists?

Civilian casualties are a certainty in war, not a possiblity.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 8:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 8:34pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 10:54am: Here's an even better 'if'... If Hamas and Palestinians had breached the boundary, broken into Israeli homes and lectured Israelis about the justness of the Palestinian cause, then left, leaving them unharmed, and returned to Gaza voluntarily, they would have elevated the Palestinian cause to new heights in the eyes of Israelis and the world. Instead, they intended to destroy the Palestinian cause by evoking uncontrollable Israeli rage, such that there would be nothing left for the Gazan Palestinians but martyrdom. In that, Hamas succeeded beyond its wildest expectations, and for that reason, Gaza will be destroyed. If you had a brain you'd still be stupid. Hamas are terrorists.  I can see now why you're obsessed with calling people morons... You're your family's dumb c~nt.

*Pling*.

The sound of dropping penny ....



:D

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 9:18pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:14pm: The Jews weren't the only people some nutjob has tried to exterminate over the centuries . But they're the only ones who think it entitles them to do the exterminating.  I have no problem with Israel defending itself.  They can go after hamas all they want. Kill them all, they deserve it. But there are tens of thousands of innocent people stuck in the middle of all this. People just trying to get on with their lives,   raise their families, watch their children grow etc .  For Israel to indiscriminately target these innocents for their blood-lust makes them no different to any other terrorist. How many Italian civilians were killed by the Allies to get rid of Il Duce and his Fascists? Civilian casualties are a certainty in war, not a possiblity.

You already tried that argument and lost.  Don't waste my time repeating that drivel

John Smith wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 9:21pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:18pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:14pm: The Jews weren't the only people some nutjob has tried to exterminate over the centuries . But they're the only ones who think it entitles them to do the exterminating.  I have no problem with Israel defending itself.  They can go after hamas all they want. Kill them all, they deserve it. But there are tens of thousands of innocent people stuck in the middle of all this. People just trying to get on with their lives,   raise their families, watch their children grow etc .  For Israel to indiscriminately target these innocents for their blood-lust makes them no different to any other terrorist. How many Italian civilians were killed by the Allies to get rid of Il Duce and his Fascists? Civilian casualties are a certainty in war, not a possiblity. You already tried that argument and lost.  Don't waste my time repeating that drivel

This is where your dumb c~ntery shows up. You're like an old bint.

There are no special circumstances in war where civilians do not take the brunt of the fighting.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 9:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:21pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:18pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:14pm: The Jews weren't the only people some nutjob has tried to exterminate over the centuries . But they're the only ones who think it entitles them to do the exterminating.  I have no problem with Israel defending itself.  They can go after hamas all they want. Kill them all, they deserve it. But there are tens of thousands of innocent people stuck in the middle of all this. People just trying to get on with their lives,   raise their families, watch their children grow etc .  For Israel to indiscriminately target these innocents for their blood-lust makes them no different to any other terrorist. How many Italian civilians were killed by the Allies to get rid of Il Duce and his Fascists? Civilian casualties are a certainty in war, not a possiblity. You already tried that argument and lost.  Don't waste my time repeating that drivel This is where your dumb c~ntery shows up. You're like an old bint. There are no special circumstances in war where civilians do not take the brunt of the fighting.

You are a special circumstance. 

John Smith wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 9:27pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:24pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:21pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:18pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:14pm: The Jews weren't the only people some nutjob has tried to exterminate over the centuries . But they're the only ones who think it entitles them to do the exterminating.  I have no problem with Israel defending itself.  They can go after hamas all they want. Kill them all, they deserve it. But there are tens of thousands of innocent people stuck in the middle of all this. People just trying to get on with their lives,   raise their families, watch their children grow etc .  For Israel to indiscriminately target these innocents for their blood-lust makes them no different to any other terrorist. How many Italian civilians were killed by the Allies to get rid of Il Duce and his Fascists? Civilian casualties are a certainty in war, not a possiblity. You already tried that argument and lost.  Don't waste my time repeating that drivel This is where your dumb c~ntery shows up. You're like an old bint. There are no special circumstances in war where civilians do not take the brunt of the fighting. You are a special circumstance.

I'd bet your family came to Australia by their displacement due to WW2.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 9:05pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 8:57pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 8:38pm: tickleandrose wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 8:19pm: I have also observed another interesting fact.  If you look at the recognized Israel - Palestine border on this link: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-54116567 Scroll down to  UN parition plan for Palestine.  And then you double check this map from ABC - Map showing the Hamas attack sites in Israel https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-08/map-showing-the-hamas-attack-sites-in-israel/102948938 It seemed to be that, attack sites like: Kerem Shalom, Kibbutz - Sufa, Re'im, Be'er, Kfar Azza, Sderot, and Netiv Haasara are all within what UN defined as illegal occupied territories.  Does think change perception of things?  You're kidding right.  6000 dead Palestinians before this attack didn't make them pause their islamaphobia for even a second.  What hope has occupied lands? Its such a difficult situations.   The Jewish people had suffered so much over so many centuries in Europe, Africa and Middle East.  And when they finally have their homeland - much due to discrimination and holocaust from their host countries.  They found themselves in a land surrounded by people who also does not like them, as well as complex geopolitics of greater powers like Russia and USA.   So for survival, they have to go to the extremes.  But make no mistakes.  They know that their extreme actions will also cause extreme reactions.  And this is the land of Middle East in a nutshell. Quote: The Jewish people had suffered so much over so many centuries in Europe So that means its ok for them to do the same to others? They should be the first to know better.

With wars, there is no common sense.  Only survival.  I think being an outsider, we can only try to gain an understanding, but not justify. 

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 9:32pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:27pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:24pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:21pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:18pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:14pm: The Jews weren't the only people some nutjob has tried to exterminate over the centuries . But they're the only ones who think it entitles them to do the exterminating.  I have no problem with Israel defending itself.  They can go after hamas all they want. Kill them all, they deserve it. But there are tens of thousands of innocent people stuck in the middle of all this. People just trying to get on with their lives,   raise their families, watch their children grow etc .  For Israel to indiscriminately target these innocents for their blood-lust makes them no different to any other terrorist. How many Italian civilians were killed by the Allies to get rid of Il Duce and his Fascists? Civilian casualties are a certainty in war, not a possiblity. You already tried that argument and lost.  Don't waste my time repeating that drivel This is where your dumb c~ntery shows up. You're like an old bint. There are no special circumstances in war where civilians do not take the brunt of the fighting. You are a special circumstance.  I'd bet your family came to Australia by their displacement due to WW2.

You'd be wrong,  again.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 9:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:21pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:18pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:14pm: The Jews weren't the only people some nutjob has tried to exterminate over the centuries . But they're the only ones who think it entitles them to do the exterminating.  I have no problem with Israel defending itself.  They can go after hamas all they want. Kill them all, they deserve it. But there are tens of thousands of innocent people stuck in the middle of all this. People just trying to get on with their lives,   raise their families, watch their children grow etc .  For Israel to indiscriminately target these innocents for their blood-lust makes them no different to any other terrorist. How many Italian civilians were killed by the Allies to get rid of Il Duce and his Fascists? Civilian casualties are a certainty in war, not a possiblity. You already tried that argument and lost.  Don't waste my time repeating that drivel This is where your dumb c~ntery shows up. You're like an old bint. There are no special circumstances in war where civilians do not take the brunt of the fighting.

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There are no special circumstances in war where civilians do not take the brunt of the fighting.

So if you turn that around the other way the casualties caused by Hamas are justified the same way ?

I don't believe that and neither do you.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 9:38pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:24pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:21pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:18pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:14pm: The Jews weren't the only people some nutjob has tried to exterminate over the centuries . But they're the only ones who think it entitles them to do the exterminating.  I have no problem with Israel defending itself.  They can go after hamas all they want. Kill them all, they deserve it. But there are tens of thousands of innocent people stuck in the middle of all this. People just trying to get on with their lives,   raise their families, watch their children grow etc .  For Israel to indiscriminately target these innocents for their blood-lust makes them no different to any other terrorist. How many Italian civilians were killed by the Allies to get rid of Il Duce and his Fascists? Civilian casualties are a certainty in war, not a possiblity. You already tried that argument and lost.  Don't waste my time repeating that drivel This is where your dumb c~ntery shows up. You're like an old bint. There are no special circumstances in war where civilians do not take the brunt of the fighting. Quote: There are no special circumstances in war where civilians do not take the brunt of the fighting. So if you turn that around the other way the casualties caused by Hamas are justified the same way ? I don't believe that and neither do you.

This is what they always do. If they do it, it's justified  and acceptable.  If a tinted person does the same thing,  they're terrorists and it's the end of the world.

They have no real position,  only excuses.  Excuses used to justify their bigotry.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 9:38pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:24pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:21pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:18pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:14pm: The Jews weren't the only people some nutjob has tried to exterminate over the centuries . But they're the only ones who think it entitles them to do the exterminating.  I have no problem with Israel defending itself.  They can go after hamas all they want. Kill them all, they deserve it. But there are tens of thousands of innocent people stuck in the middle of all this. People just trying to get on with their lives,   raise their families, watch their children grow etc .  For Israel to indiscriminately target these innocents for their blood-lust makes them no different to any other terrorist. How many Italian civilians were killed by the Allies to get rid of Il Duce and his Fascists? Civilian casualties are a certainty in war, not a possiblity. You already tried that argument and lost.  Don't waste my time repeating that drivel This is where your dumb c~ntery shows up. You're like an old bint. There are no special circumstances in war where civilians do not take the brunt of the fighting. Quote: There are no special circumstances in war where civilians do not take the brunt of the fighting. So if you turn that around the other way the casualties caused by Hamas are justified the same way ? I don't believe that and neither do you.

Hamas targeted civilians, not the IDF and committed atrocities on them to ensure Israel would reel in uncontrollable rage against them, thereby ensuring and maximising retaliation.

Hamas wanted total war. They got one.

Name a war where civilians don't die in numbers usually greater than soldiers.

John Smith wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 9:41pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:38pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:24pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:21pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:18pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:14pm: The Jews weren't the only people some nutjob has tried to exterminate over the centuries . But they're the only ones who think it entitles them to do the exterminating.  I have no problem with Israel defending itself.  They can go after hamas all they want. Kill them all, they deserve it. But there are tens of thousands of innocent people stuck in the middle of all this. People just trying to get on with their lives,   raise their families, watch their children grow etc .  For Israel to indiscriminately target these innocents for their blood-lust makes them no different to any other terrorist. How many Italian civilians were killed by the Allies to get rid of Il Duce and his Fascists? Civilian casualties are a certainty in war, not a possiblity. You already tried that argument and lost.  Don't waste my time repeating that drivel This is where your dumb c~ntery shows up. You're like an old bint. There are no special circumstances in war where civilians do not take the brunt of the fighting. Quote: There are no special circumstances in war where civilians do not take the brunt of the fighting. So if you turn that around the other way the casualties caused by Hamas are justified the same way ? I don't believe that and neither do you. This is what they always do. If they do it, it's justified  and acceptable.  If a tinted person does the same thing,  they're terrorists and it's the end of the world. They have no real position,  only excuses.  Excuses used to justify their bigotry.

How many of your civilian relatives were killed in WW2?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 9:42pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:38pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:24pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:21pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:18pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:14pm: The Jews weren't the only people some nutjob has tried to exterminate over the centuries . But they're the only ones who think it entitles them to do the exterminating.  I have no problem with Israel defending itself.  They can go after hamas all they want. Kill them all, they deserve it. But there are tens of thousands of innocent people stuck in the middle of all this. People just trying to get on with their lives,   raise their families, watch their children grow etc .  For Israel to indiscriminately target these innocents for their blood-lust makes them no different to any other terrorist. How many Italian civilians were killed by the Allies to get rid of Il Duce and his Fascists? Civilian casualties are a certainty in war, not a possiblity. You already tried that argument and lost.  Don't waste my time repeating that drivel This is where your dumb c~ntery shows up. You're like an old bint. There are no special circumstances in war where civilians do not take the brunt of the fighting. Quote: There are no special circumstances in war where civilians do not take the brunt of the fighting. So if you turn that around the other way the casualties caused by Hamas are justified the same way ? I don't believe that and neither do you. Hamas targeted civilians, not the IDF and committed atrocities on them to ensure Israel would reel in uncontrollable rage against them, thereby ensuring and maximising retaliation. Hamas wanted total war. They got one. Name a war where civilians don't die in numbers usually greater than soldiers.

And the 6000+ dead Palestinians in the 17 yrs proceeding this attack? Your rules don't apply to them?

John Smith wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 9:38pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:32pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:27pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:24pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:21pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:18pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:14pm: The Jews weren't the only people some nutjob has tried to exterminate over the centuries . But they're the only ones who think it entitles them to do the exterminating.  I have no problem with Israel defending itself.  They can go after hamas all they want. Kill them all, they deserve it. But there are tens of thousands of innocent people stuck in the middle of all this. People just trying to get on with their lives,   raise their families, watch their children grow etc .  For Israel to indiscriminately target these innocents for their blood-lust makes them no different to any other terrorist. How many Italian civilians were killed by the Allies to get rid of Il Duce and his Fascists? Civilian casualties are a certainty in war, not a possiblity. You already tried that argument and lost.  Don't waste my time repeating that drivel This is where your dumb c~ntery shows up. You're like an old bint. There are no special circumstances in war where civilians do not take the brunt of the fighting. You are a special circumstance.  I'd bet your family came to Australia by their displacement due to WW2. You'd be wrong,  again.

Goes without saying then doesn't it.

I have never understood why 80% of them fancy themselves as Nostradamus's but fail at every prediction.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 9:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:41pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:38pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:24pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:21pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:18pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:14pm: The Jews weren't the only people some nutjob has tried to exterminate over the centuries . But they're the only ones who think it entitles them to do the exterminating.  I have no problem with Israel defending itself.  They can go after hamas all they want. Kill them all, they deserve it. But there are tens of thousands of innocent people stuck in the middle of all this. People just trying to get on with their lives,   raise their families, watch their children grow etc .  For Israel to indiscriminately target these innocents for their blood-lust makes them no different to any other terrorist. How many Italian civilians were killed by the Allies to get rid of Il Duce and his Fascists? Civilian casualties are a certainty in war, not a possiblity. You already tried that argument and lost.  Don't waste my time repeating that drivel This is where your dumb c~ntery shows up. You're like an old bint. There are no special circumstances in war where civilians do not take the brunt of the fighting. Quote: There are no special circumstances in war where civilians do not take the brunt of the fighting. So if you turn that around the other way the casualties caused by Hamas are justified the same way ? I don't believe that and neither do you. This is what they always do. If they do it, it's justified  and acceptable.  If a tinted person does the same thing,  they're terrorists and it's the end of the world. They have no real position,  only excuses.  Excuses used to justify their bigotry. How many of your civilian relatives were killed in WW2?

None. And again, this isn't 1940.
Do you like getting everything wrong?

John Smith wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 9:45pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:42pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:38pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:24pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:21pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:18pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:14pm: The Jews weren't the only people some nutjob has tried to exterminate over the centuries . But they're the only ones who think it entitles them to do the exterminating.  I have no problem with Israel defending itself.  They can go after hamas all they want. Kill them all, they deserve it. But there are tens of thousands of innocent people stuck in the middle of all this. People just trying to get on with their lives,   raise their families, watch their children grow etc .  For Israel to indiscriminately target these innocents for their blood-lust makes them no different to any other terrorist. How many Italian civilians were killed by the Allies to get rid of Il Duce and his Fascists? Civilian casualties are a certainty in war, not a possiblity. You already tried that argument and lost.  Don't waste my time repeating that drivel This is where your dumb c~ntery shows up. You're like an old bint. There are no special circumstances in war where civilians do not take the brunt of the fighting. Quote: There are no special circumstances in war where civilians do not take the brunt of the fighting. So if you turn that around the other way the casualties caused by Hamas are justified the same way ? I don't believe that and neither do you. Hamas targeted civilians, not the IDF and committed atrocities on them to ensure Israel would reel in uncontrollable rage against them, thereby ensuring and maximising retaliation. Hamas wanted total war. They got one. Name a war where civilians don't die in numbers usually greater than soldiers. And the 6000+ dead Palestinians in the 17 yrs proceeding this attack? Your rules don't apply to them?

That'd be preceding this attack, I'm guessing.

What were the circumstances that led to 6000+ deaths over 17 years?

Dnarever wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 9:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:38pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:32pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:27pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:24pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:21pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:18pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:14pm: The Jews weren't the only people some nutjob has tried to exterminate over the centuries . But they're the only ones who think it entitles them to do the exterminating.  I have no problem with Israel defending itself.  They can go after hamas all they want. Kill them all, they deserve it. But there are tens of thousands of innocent people stuck in the middle of all this. People just trying to get on with their lives,   raise their families, watch their children grow etc .  For Israel to indiscriminately target these innocents for their blood-lust makes them no different to any other terrorist. How many Italian civilians were killed by the Allies to get rid of Il Duce and his Fascists? Civilian casualties are a certainty in war, not a possiblity. You already tried that argument and lost.  Don't waste my time repeating that drivel This is where your dumb c~ntery shows up. You're like an old bint. There are no special circumstances in war where civilians do not take the brunt of the fighting. You are a special circumstance.  I'd bet your family came to Australia by their displacement due to WW2. You'd be wrong,  again. Goes without saying then doesn't it. I have never understood why 80% of them fancy themselves as Nostradamus's but fail at every prediction.

It's because they have been so sheltered from reality for such a long period that they cannot fathom anything outside of their own existence.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 9:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:45pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:42pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:38pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:24pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:21pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:18pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:14pm: The Jews weren't the only people some nutjob has tried to exterminate over the centuries . But they're the only ones who think it entitles them to do the exterminating.  I have no problem with Israel defending itself.  They can go after hamas all they want. Kill them all, they deserve it. But there are tens of thousands of innocent people stuck in the middle of all this. People just trying to get on with their lives,   raise their families, watch their children grow etc .  For Israel to indiscriminately target these innocents for their blood-lust makes them no different to any other terrorist. How many Italian civilians were killed by the Allies to get rid of Il Duce and his Fascists? Civilian casualties are a certainty in war, not a possiblity. You already tried that argument and lost.  Don't waste my time repeating that drivel This is where your dumb c~ntery shows up. You're like an old bint. There are no special circumstances in war where civilians do not take the brunt of the fighting. Quote: There are no special circumstances in war where civilians do not take the brunt of the fighting. So if you turn that around the other way the casualties caused by Hamas are justified the same way ? I don't believe that and neither do you. Hamas targeted civilians, not the IDF and committed atrocities on them to ensure Israel would reel in uncontrollable rage against them, thereby ensuring and maximising retaliation. Hamas wanted total war. They got one. Name a war where civilians don't die in numbers usually greater than soldiers. And the 6000+ dead Palestinians in the 17 yrs proceeding this attack? Your rules don't apply to them? That'd be preceding this attack, I'm guessing. What were the circumstances that led to 6000+ deaths over 17 years?

Confirmed Non combatants killed by Israeli soldiers. 

John Smith wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 9:47pm:

None. And again, this isn't 1940. Do you like getting everything wrong?

Ask some of the old Italians at the club, then, about the bombing of Italy in WW2.

John Smith wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 9:52pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:47pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:45pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:42pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:38pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:24pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:21pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:18pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:14pm: The Jews weren't the only people some nutjob has tried to exterminate over the centuries . But they're the only ones who think it entitles them to do the exterminating.  I have no problem with Israel defending itself.  They can go after hamas all they want. Kill them all, they deserve it. But there are tens of thousands of innocent people stuck in the middle of all this. People just trying to get on with their lives,   raise their families, watch their children grow etc .  For Israel to indiscriminately target these innocents for their blood-lust makes them no different to any other terrorist. How many Italian civilians were killed by the Allies to get rid of Il Duce and his Fascists? Civilian casualties are a certainty in war, not a possiblity. You already tried that argument and lost.  Don't waste my time repeating that drivel This is where your dumb c~ntery shows up. You're like an old bint. There are no special circumstances in war where civilians do not take the brunt of the fighting. Quote: There are no special circumstances in war where civilians do not take the brunt of the fighting. So if you turn that around the other way the casualties caused by Hamas are justified the same way ? I don't believe that and neither do you. Hamas targeted civilians, not the IDF and committed atrocities on them to ensure Israel would reel in uncontrollable rage against them, thereby ensuring and maximising retaliation. Hamas wanted total war. They got one. Name a war where civilians don't die in numbers usually greater than soldiers. And the 6000+ dead Palestinians in the 17 yrs proceeding this attack? Your rules don't apply to them? That'd be preceding this attack, I'm guessing. What were the circumstances that led to 6000+ deaths over 17 years? Confirmed Non combatants killed by Israeli soldiers.

Confirmed? By whom?  Why were they killed? Selling bad hummus?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 9:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:47pm: None. And again, this isn't 1940. Do you like getting everything wrong? Ask some of the old Italians at the club, then, about the bombing of Italy in WW2.

I did. They said you're a dumbarse.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 9:46pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:38pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:32pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:27pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:24pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:21pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:18pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:14pm: The Jews weren't the only people some nutjob has tried to exterminate over the centuries . But they're the only ones who think it entitles them to do the exterminating.  I have no problem with Israel defending itself.  They can go after hamas all they want. Kill them all, they deserve it. But there are tens of thousands of innocent people stuck in the middle of all this. People just trying to get on with their lives,   raise their families, watch their children grow etc .  For Israel to indiscriminately target these innocents for their blood-lust makes them no different to any other terrorist. How many Italian civilians were killed by the Allies to get rid of Il Duce and his Fascists? Civilian casualties are a certainty in war, not a possiblity. You already tried that argument and lost.  Don't waste my time repeating that drivel This is where your dumb c~ntery shows up. You're like an old bint. There are no special circumstances in war where civilians do not take the brunt of the fighting. You are a special circumstance.  I'd bet your family came to Australia by their displacement due to WW2. You'd be wrong,  again. Goes without saying then doesn't it. I have never understood why 80% of them fancy themselves as Nostradamus's but fail at every prediction.

80% of them eh! Pulled that out of your arse did you?

Another c~nt who can comprehend English.

What have I predicted?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 9:54pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:52pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:47pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:45pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:42pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:38pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:24pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:21pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:18pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:14pm: The Jews weren't the only people some nutjob has tried to exterminate over the centuries . But they're the only ones who think it entitles them to do the exterminating.  I have no problem with Israel defending itself.  They can go after hamas all they want. Kill them all, they deserve it. But there are tens of thousands of innocent people stuck in the middle of all this. People just trying to get on with their lives,   raise their families, watch their children grow etc .  For Israel to indiscriminately target these innocents for their blood-lust makes them no different to any other terrorist. How many Italian civilians were killed by the Allies to get rid of Il Duce and his Fascists? Civilian casualties are a certainty in war, not a possiblity. You already tried that argument and lost.  Don't waste my time repeating that drivel This is where your dumb c~ntery shows up. You're like an old bint. There are no special circumstances in war where civilians do not take the brunt of the fighting. Quote: There are no special circumstances in war where civilians do not take the brunt of the fighting. So if you turn that around the other way the casualties caused by Hamas are justified the same way ? I don't believe that and neither do you. Hamas targeted civilians, not the IDF and committed atrocities on them to ensure Israel would reel in uncontrollable rage against them, thereby ensuring and maximising retaliation. Hamas wanted total war. They got one. Name a war where civilians don't die in numbers usually greater than soldiers. And the 6000+ dead Palestinians in the 17 yrs proceeding this attack? Your rules don't apply to them? That'd be preceding this attack, I'm guessing. What were the circumstances that led to 6000+ deaths over 17 years? Confirmed Non combatants killed by Israeli soldiers.  Confirmed? By whom?  Why were they killed? Selling bad hummus?

Confirmed by the UN from two independent sources. If you added the numbers killed that couldn't be confirmed by independent sources the numbers would probably quadruple.  They were killed in most cases because the idf are terrorists.

John Smith wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 9:55pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:53pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:47pm: None. And again, this isn't 1940. Do you like getting everything wrong? Ask some of the old Italians at the club, then, about the bombing of Italy in WW2. I did. They said you're a dumbarse.

Awwww...

John Smith wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 9:57pm:

Confirmed by the UN from two independent sources. If you added the numbers killed that could be confirmed by independent sources the numbers would probably quadruple.  They were killed in most cases because the idf are terrorists.

The UN, eh! Independent sources!

What were the circumstances that got them killed?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 9:42pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:38pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:24pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:21pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:18pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:14pm: The Jews weren't the only people some nutjob has tried to exterminate over the centuries . But they're the only ones who think it entitles them to do the exterminating.  I have no problem with Israel defending itself.  They can go after hamas all they want. Kill them all, they deserve it. But there are tens of thousands of innocent people stuck in the middle of all this. People just trying to get on with their lives,   raise their families, watch their children grow etc .  For Israel to indiscriminately target these innocents for their blood-lust makes them no different to any other terrorist. How many Italian civilians were killed by the Allies to get rid of Il Duce and his Fascists? Civilian casualties are a certainty in war, not a possiblity. You already tried that argument and lost.  Don't waste my time repeating that drivel This is where your dumb c~ntery shows up. You're like an old bint. There are no special circumstances in war where civilians do not take the brunt of the fighting. Quote: There are no special circumstances in war where civilians do not take the brunt of the fighting. So if you turn that around the other way the casualties caused by Hamas are justified the same way ? I don't believe that and neither do you. Hamas targeted civilians, not the IDF and committed atrocities on them to ensure Israel would reel in uncontrollable rage against them, thereby ensuring and maximising retaliation. Hamas wanted total war. They got one. Name a war where civilians don't die in numbers usually greater than soldiers.

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Hamas targeted civilians, not the IDF

Israel have been targeting civilians not Hamas ?

The first 6000 deaths resulted in 13 Hamas casualties. The math clearly show that it is not possible to get these numbers by Targeting Hamas in most cases.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 10:01pm:

Israel have been targeting civilians not Hamas ? The first 6000 deaths resulted in 13 Hamas casualties. The math clearly show that it is not possible to get these numbers by Targeting Hamas in most cases.

'Resulted in 13 Hamas casualties' and you know this because?

'The math clearly shows', eh! How much is stuck up your arse?

'In most cases', eh! Added that in as a cover!

'Not possible to get these numbers'!! Are you playing at Military Strategist for our entertainment or yours?

Name a war where civilian casualties did not outnumber many times over the number of soldiers killed.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 10:01pm:

Quote: Hamas targeted civilians, not the IDF Israel have been targeting civilians not Hamas ? The first 6000 deaths resulted in 13 Hamas casualties. The math clearly show that it is not possible to get these numbers by Targeting Hamas in most cases.

The IDF have lost about 35 since they went into Gaza. It's clear Hamas have killed more Israeli civilians than IDF.

Where did you get 13 Hamas deaths did you pluck that from your arse?


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Hamas rockets have now hit Israel’s Barzilai hospital in Ashkelon 3 times in the last month. How much coverage have you seen about it? https://twitter.com/AGHamilton29/status/1722014207313379501

Hamas rockets hit that Hospital in Gaza. The fake news were quick to blame Israel for that without fact checking they have since backtracked and agreed Hamas rocket from Palestinian Islamic Jihad was reponsible.

Do these people look like IDF?

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MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 9:59pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:57pm: Confirmed by the UN from two independent sources. If you added the numbers killed that could be confirmed by independent sources the numbers would probably quadruple.  They were killed in most cases because the idf are terrorists. The UN, eh! Independent sources! What were the circumstances that got them killed?

You want me to list the circumstances for 6000 cases? What are you stupid? If you think you're onto something you look it up. Or ask your grandfather.

Hamas kids.

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John Smith wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 10:11pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:59pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:57pm: Confirmed by the UN from two independent sources. If you added the numbers killed that could be confirmed by independent sources the numbers would probably quadruple.  They were killed in most cases because the idf are terrorists. The UN, eh! Independent sources! What were the circumstances that got them killed? You want me to list the circumstances for 6000 cases? What are you stupid? If you think you're onto something you look it up. Or ask your grandfather.

So you grabbed a headline and pulled the backstory out of your arse... Are you a blue hairs?

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 10:10pm:

Do these people look like IDF?

Who took the photo?

Who are the people?

What are the circumstances in which this photo was taken?

Or doesn't it matter? Is it all just war porn to you?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 10:12pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 10:11pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:59pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:57pm: Confirmed by the UN from two independent sources. If you added the numbers killed that could be confirmed by independent sources the numbers would probably quadruple.  They were killed in most cases because the idf are terrorists. The UN, eh! Independent sources! What were the circumstances that got them killed? You want me to list the circumstances for 6000 cases? What are you stupid? If you think you're onto something you look it up. Or ask your grandfather. So you grabbed a headline and pulled the backstory out of your arse... Are you a blue hairs?

;D

I've previously put up the link to the UN  report. It's time you went to play with the cars on the road,  you're out of your depth.

John Smith wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 10:14pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 10:12pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 10:11pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:59pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 9:57pm: Confirmed by the UN from two independent sources. If you added the numbers killed that could be confirmed by independent sources the numbers would probably quadruple.  They were killed in most cases because the idf are terrorists. The UN, eh! Independent sources! What were the circumstances that got them killed? You want me to list the circumstances for 6000 cases? What are you stupid? If you think you're onto something you look it up. Or ask your grandfather. So you grabbed a headline and pulled the backstory out of your arse... Are you a blue hairs? ;D I've previously put up the link to the UN  report. It's time you went to play with the cars on the road,  you're out of your depth.

Did you read it? Or did you google it five minutes ago?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 10:14pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 10:10pm: Do these people look like IDF? Who took the photo? Who are the people? What are the circumstances in which this photo was taken? Or doesn't it matter? Is it all just war porn to you?

The photos come from video Hamas took when they killed these Israelis on Oct 7th. A few Allahu Akbars were said.

Video is available on websites like Telegram

Should we exclude the Israeli civilian deaths that started this war when Hamas broke the ceasefire that was in place from the last war?

What about the 260 civilian deaths from the music festival should we ignore those deaths?

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 8^th, 2023 at 10:28pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 10:14pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 8th, 2023 at 10:10pm: Do these people look like IDF? Who took the photo? Who are the people? What are the circumstances in which this photo was taken? Or doesn't it matter? Is it all just war porn to you? The photos come from video Hamas took when they killed these Israelis on Oct 7th. A few Allahu Akbars were said. Video is available on websites like Telegram Should we exclude the Israeli civilian deaths that started this war when Hamas broke the ceasefire that was in place from the last war? What about the 260 civilian deaths from the music festival should we ignore those deaths?

Yes, point taken.

Hamas did not engage the IDF. They invaded Israel to kill as many unarmed civilians to maximise their kill rate before they were taken out.

Turns out they were likely more successful than they'd calculated.

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Walid Phares @WalidPhares Reports from West #Darfur received today unveil that 773 African civilians including mostly teenagers, but women and elderly as well, have been massacred by the Jihadi #Janjaweed in the #Geneina area. Reports talks about hundreds burned and many detained and brutalized on their way for exodus. The Janjaweed are allies to a network of militias in the Middle East and North Africa that includes #Hamas and #Hezbollah. Voices from Darfur are urging the US and Europe, as well as the Arab League to intervene at once. https://twitter.com/WalidPhares/status/1721684021262823436

Where is the outage from BLM or anyone on these victims of Islamic Jihad?

Picture shows dead men the Jihadis were following the example of their prophet in capturing women for sex slavery or to be sold into marriage.


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(1)Chapter: Permissibility of raiding the Kuffar, who have been reached with the call of Islam, without giving prior warning. Ibn 'Aun reported: I wrote to Nafi' inquiring from him whether it was necessary to extend (to the disbelievers) an invitation to accept (Islam) before meeting them in fight. He wrote (in reply) to me that it was necessary in the early days of Islam. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) made a raid upon Banu Mustaliq while they were unaware and their cattle were having a drink at the water. He killed those who fought and imprisoned others. On that very day, he captured Juwairiya bint al-Harith. Nafi' said that this tradition was related to him by Abdullah b. Umar who (himself) was among the raiding troops. https://sunnah.com/muslim:1730a

Juwairiya became one of Muhammads wives, he captured her.

You can almost read these Jihadis like a book.

Jew hatred is bizarre. It's so irrational and intense. I can perhaps understand some Palestinians' hatred of Jews, but you see people who have nothing to do with the conflict going batshit crazy with rage.

But international law does not only shape the rights and duties of the party acting in self-defence: it imposes even more stringent obligations, which Hamas’s apologists unfailingly ignore, on the conduct of hostilities by its adversary.

It is, in effect, clearly accepted under customary international law, and explicitly reaffirmed in the 1977 Geneva Additional Protocols, that the primary responsibility for protecting civilians rests with the party that controls the territory in which they are located; that is, Hamas.

That party has an obligation to encourage and facilitate the evacuation of civilians from combat zones; it is also absolutely prohibited from using those civilians, much less any hostages it has seized, as human shields.

And exploiting what would normally be regarded as civilian facilities for (or to conceal) military activities is strictly prohibited too, since any facility that makes “an effective contribution to military action” immediately becomes a legitimate military target, so long as its “total or partial destruction, capture or neutralisation offers a definite military advantage” (where “definite” simply means “not merely hypothetical or speculative”).

Moreover, the initial aggressor bears the legal responsibility for any civilian casualties its infringement of those provisions causes and acquires no legal rights of complaint or recourse when those casualties eventuate – since allowing it to claim such rights would, as the US guide notes, be “flatly contrary to the principle (that) legal rights should not result from the commission of wrongful acts”.

Nor can that party expect its human shields to protect it, through the proportionality test, from legitimate attack; on the contrary, says Britain’s Manual of the Law of Armed Conflict, if the aggressor has deliberately “put civilians … at risk by placing military objectives in their midst, this is a factor in favour of the legality (under international law) of attacks on those objectives”.

That Hamas has breached each and every one of its obligations, not least to the people of Gaza, is beyond question. That it will do absolutely nothing to punish its appalling violations of international law is equally certain.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/barbaric-hamas-is-no-respecter-of-rules-of-war/news-story/fcbef57f5f0d8d7975bd3ad64739afb4