U.K. schools getting rid of analog clocks because teens "cannot tell time"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-k-schools-getting-rid-of-analog-clocks-because-teens-cannot-tell-time/

What has two hands and a face but no arms and legs? A clock, of course! Some kids won't understand that joke because the only clocks they know how to use have digital numbers.

A teachers union in the U.K. says not only are teenagers more used to digital clocks these days, some don't even know how to read analog clocks, The Telegraph reports.

"The current generation aren't as good at reading the traditional clock face as older generations," Malcolm Trobe, deputy general secretary at the Association of School and College Leaders, told the newspaper.

As high-school-age students in the U.K. prepare for their major standardized tests, the General Certificate of Secondary Education (GCSE) and A-level exams, schools are working to make the process easier for them. Exam rooms used to have analog clocks, but as test day draws near, those will be replaced with digital clocks so students can keep track of their time.

Dear God! That’s absolutely terrible!

Closer to home though Freediver guess what QLD Premier has come up with? A 4 day school week for public school students  😩😔🥺

I’m absolutely disgusted. More parents will wake up and realise they’ll have to get their kids out of public schools and into private schools despite the cost issues involved. Only those who can’t afford to send their kids to a private school will be stuck with a child going to school only 4 days a week.

Labor - looking out for all families/children? Of course not! And only a blithering idiot would even believe that Labor (at either State OR Federal level) is looking out for the poor/disadvantaged. The truth is this : They couldn’t give a toss! 

The students still use an abacus though, don't they?

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 8:23am:

Dear God! That’s absolutely terrible! Closer to home though Freediver guess what QLD Premier has come up with? A 4 day school week for public school students  😩😔🥺 I’m absolutely disgusted. More parents will wake up and realise they’ll have to get their kids out of public schools and into private schools despite the cost issues involved. Only those who can’t afford to send their kids to a private school will be stuck with a child going to school only 4 days a week. Labor - looking out for all families/children? Of course not! And only a blithering idiot would even believe that Labor (at either State OR Federal level) is looking out for the poor/disadvantaged. The truth is this : They couldn’t give a toss!

The 4 day week should have been standard years ago.

Give a kid a dial phone and they'd be speechless. Or crank handle  to the operator.

freediver wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 8:12am:

U.K. schools getting rid of analogue clocks because teens "cannot tell time"

Apparently not.

     https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/schools-removing-analog-clocks/

    ::)

What is wrong with sundials? Still work, don’t they?

The largest sundial is Piazza del Popolo (Italy), (apart from Trump Tower). Donald's time ran out a couple of years back.

freediver wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 8:12am:

U.K. schools getting rid of analog clocks because teens "cannot tell time" https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-k-schools-getting-rid-of-analog-clocks-because-teens-cannot-tell-time/ What has two hands and a face but no arms and legs? A clock, of course! Some kids won't understand that joke because the only clocks they know how to use have digital numbers. A teachers union in the U.K. says not only are teenagers more used to digital clocks these days, some don't even know how to read analog clocks, The Telegraph reports. "The current generation aren't as good at reading the traditional clock face as older generations," Malcolm Trobe, deputy general secretary at the Association of School and College Leaders, told the newspaper.

The irony is completely lost on the stupid bastards.  What kind of teachers do teens have if they can't even tell the time looking at a church steeple???


What ARE they "teaching" them?

Frank wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 5:31pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 8:12am: U.K. schools getting rid of analog clocks because teens "cannot tell time" https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-k-schools-getting-rid-of-analog-clocks-because-teens-cannot-tell-time/ What has two hands and a face but no arms and legs? A clock, of course! Some kids won't understand that joke because the only clocks they know how to use have digital numbers. A teachers union in the U.K. says not only are teenagers more used to digital clocks these days, some don't even know how to read analog clocks, The Telegraph reports. "The current generation aren't as good at reading the traditional clock face as older generations," Malcolm Trobe, deputy general secretary at the Association of School and College Leaders, told the newspaper. The irony is completely lost on the stupid bastards.  What kind of teachers do teens have if they can't even tell the time looking at a church steeple??? What ARE they "teaching" them?

Can you use an abacus?

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 4:12pm:

What is wrong with sundials? Still work, don’t they?

You came to this thread because you misread clock as cock. Didn't ya, ya old poofta?

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 4:12pm:

What is wrong with sundials? Still work, don’t they?

Don't tell me they don't have sundials in schools anymore.

What's the world coming to?   ::)

The school bus is still a horse and buggy though, isn't it?

It's true - I have met kids who couldn't tell the time on an analog clock or watch.
Even some as old as 16.

I wonder if John Smith can tell the time?
He left school when he was only 15.   :o

How much is five crowns take away a sovereign, florin, four pence and six farthings?

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 6:56pm:

It's true - I have met kids who couldn't tell the time on an analog clock or watch. Even some as old as 16.

Did you use an abacus in school, or a calculator?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 6:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:56pm: It's true - I have met kids who couldn't tell the time on an analog clock or watch. Even some as old as 16. Did you use an abacus in school, or a calculator?

When I was about 13 we used slide rules.
By the time I went to Uni we had calculators but
programmable ones weren't allowed in exams.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 7:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:59pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:56pm: It's true - I have met kids who couldn't tell the time on an analog clock or watch. Even some as old as 16. Did you use an abacus in school, or a calculator? When I was about 13 we used slide rules. By the time I went to Uni we had calculators but programmable ones weren't allowed in exams.

My dad taught me slide rule when I was in primary. I reckon even doing simple problems with a  slide rule makes you visualise math in a way you can't electronically.

My daughter is doing advanced maths and physics for HSC and  is light years ahead of what I ever did tho, probably 1 kid in her school could do that level without a calculator  ;D

Gordon wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 7:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 7:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:59pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:56pm: It's true - I have met kids who couldn't tell the time on an analog clock or watch. Even some as old as 16. Did you use an abacus in school, or a calculator? When I was about 13 we used slide rules. By the time I went to Uni we had calculators but programmable ones weren't allowed in exams. My dad taught me slide rule when I was in primary. I reckon even doing simple problems with a  slide rule makes you visualise math in a way you can't electronically. My daughter is doing advanced maths and physics for HSC and  is light years ahead of what I ever did tho, probably 1 kid in her school could do that level without a calculator  ;D

I used an HP32E calculator at Uni after upgrading from a Casio.

I have an HP 50g graphing calculator now and I never used
more than 1% of its power.  :)

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 7:45pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 7:40pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 7:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:59pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:56pm: It's true - I have met kids who couldn't tell the time on an analog clock or watch. Even some as old as 16. Did you use an abacus in school, or a calculator? When I was about 13 we used slide rules. By the time I went to Uni we had calculators but programmable ones weren't allowed in exams. My dad taught me slide rule when I was in primary. I reckon even doing simple problems with a  slide rule makes you visualise math in a way you can't electronically. My daughter is doing advanced maths and physics for HSC and  is light years ahead of what I ever did tho, probably 1 kid in her school could do that level without a calculator  ;D I used an HP32E calculator at Uni after upgrading from a Casio. I have an HP 50g graphing calculator now and I never used more than 1% of its power.  :)

Your old calculator is a museum piece.
https://www.hpmuseum.org/hp32.htm

I just went and peeked at daughters calc, she gave me the weirdest look and said, would you like to see my pencil sharpener too  ;D It's a FX82AU PLUS II

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 7:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:59pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:56pm: It's true - I have met kids who couldn't tell the time on an analog clock or watch. Even some as old as 16. Did you use an abacus in school, or a calculator? When I was about 13 we used slide rules. By the time I went to Uni we had calculators but programmable ones weren't allowed in exams.

So, no abacus then.

You embraced new technology.

Digital clocks are new technology.

Children should be embracing new technology.

Gordon wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 8:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 7:45pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 7:40pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 7:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:59pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:56pm: It's true - I have met kids who couldn't tell the time on an analog clock or watch. Even some as old as 16. Did you use an abacus in school, or a calculator? When I was about 13 we used slide rules. By the time I went to Uni we had calculators but programmable ones weren't allowed in exams. My dad taught me slide rule when I was in primary. I reckon even doing simple problems with a  slide rule makes you visualise math in a way you can't electronically. My daughter is doing advanced maths and physics for HSC and  is light years ahead of what I ever did tho, probably 1 kid in her school could do that level without a calculator  ;D I used an HP32E calculator at Uni after upgrading from a Casio. I have an HP 50g graphing calculator now and I never used more than 1% of its power.  :) Your old calculator is a museum piece. https://www.hpmuseum.org/hp32.htm I just went and peeked at daughters calc, she gave me the weirdest look and said, would you like to see my pencil sharpener too  ;D It's a FX82AU PLUS II

Yes the HP32E is very old and it's all held together with masking tape
but it still works.

Your daughters calculator looks like good value.
https://www.officeworks.com.au/shop/officeworks/p/casio-fx-82au-plus-ii-2nd-edition-scientific-calculator-cafx82no2

does it have RPN?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 8:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 7:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:59pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:56pm: It's true - I have met kids who couldn't tell the time on an analog clock or watch. Even some as old as 16. Did you use an abacus in school, or a calculator? When I was about 13 we used slide rules. By the time I went to Uni we had calculators but programmable ones weren't allowed in exams. So, no abacus then. You embraced new technology. Digital clocks are new technology. Children should be embracing new technology.

Anyone who can't tell the time on an analog clock is a halfwit.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 8:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 8:11pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 7:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:59pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:56pm: It's true - I have met kids who couldn't tell the time on an analog clock or watch. Even some as old as 16. Did you use an abacus in school, or a calculator? When I was about 13 we used slide rules. By the time I went to Uni we had calculators but programmable ones weren't allowed in exams. So, no abacus then. You embraced new technology. Digital clocks are new technology. Children should be embracing new technology. Anyone who can't tell the time on an analog clock is a halfwit.

They're outdated technology.

Can you use an abacus?

Can you drive a horse & buggy?

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 8:19pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 8:07pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 7:45pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 7:40pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 7:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:59pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:56pm: It's true - I have met kids who couldn't tell the time on an analog clock or watch. Even some as old as 16. Did you use an abacus in school, or a calculator? When I was about 13 we used slide rules. By the time I went to Uni we had calculators but programmable ones weren't allowed in exams. My dad taught me slide rule when I was in primary. I reckon even doing simple problems with a  slide rule makes you visualise math in a way you can't electronically. My daughter is doing advanced maths and physics for HSC and  is light years ahead of what I ever did tho, probably 1 kid in her school could do that level without a calculator  ;D I used an HP32E calculator at Uni after upgrading from a Casio. I have an HP 50g graphing calculator now and I never used more than 1% of its power.  :) Your old calculator is a museum piece. https://www.hpmuseum.org/hp32.htm I just went and peeked at daughters calc, she gave me the weirdest look and said, would you like to see my pencil sharpener too  ;D It's a FX82AU PLUS II Yes the HP32E is very old and it's all held together with masking tape but it still works. Your daughters calculator looks like good value. https://www.officeworks.com.au/shop/officeworks/p/casio-fx-82au-plus-ii-2nd-edition-scientific-calculator-cafx82no2 does it have RPN?

NFI, I only get to ask her one silly question a night.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 8:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 8:20pm: Anyone who can't tell the time on an analog clock is a halfwit. They're outdated technology. Can you use an abacus? Can you drive a horse & buggy?

Can you tell the time?      :-[

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 8:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 8:11pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 7:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:59pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:56pm: It's true - I have met kids who couldn't tell the time on an analog clock or watch. Even some as old as 16. Did you use an abacus in school, or a calculator? When I was about 13 we used slide rules. By the time I went to Uni we had calculators but programmable ones weren't allowed in exams. So, no abacus then. You embraced new technology. Digital clocks are new technology. Children should be embracing new technology. Anyone who can't tell the time on an analog clock is a halfwit.

My wife can't deal with 24 hour time on a digital clock but she can read an analogue timepiece.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 8:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 8:21pm: [quote author=bobbythebat1 link=1699567962/21#21 date=1699611643] Anyone who can't tell the time on an analog clock is a halfwit. They're outdated technology. Can you use an abacus? Can you drive a horse & buggy?

Can you tell the time?      :-[/quote]

Yes.

It's time you answered my questions.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 8:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 8:33pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 8:21pm: [quote author=bobbythebat1 link=1699567962/21#21 date=1699611643] Anyone who can't tell the time on an analog clock is a halfwit. They're outdated technology. Can you use an abacus? Can you drive a horse & buggy? Can you tell the time?      :-[/quote] Yes. It's time you answered my questions.

It's time you honoured your bet.

I got my dads watch collection, all 60s to 80s Seikos. Not worth much, but simple and gorgeous.

One very much like this

https://i.ibb.co/gwyygk6/wa.jpg

Gordon wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 8:39pm:

I got my dads watch collection, all 60s to 80s Seikos. Not worth much, but simple and gorgeous. One very much like this https://i.ibb.co/d6vG7DP/Screenshot-2023-11-10-at-21-36-32-Seiko-1967s-GRAND-SEIKO-antique-6146-8000-61-GS-Automatic-vintage.png

My 21st present from my sis was an automatic Seiko. I gave it to my youngest son when we were cleaning up after the flood. Still ticking away.

Edit: Looks very much like that, no grand stamp though.

Setanta wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 8:43pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 8:39pm: I got my dads watch collection, all 60s to 80s Seikos. Not worth much, but simple and gorgeous. One very much like this https://i.ibb.co/d6vG7DP/Screenshot-2023-11-10-at-21-36-32-Seiko-1967s-GRAND-SEIKO-antique-6146-8000-61-GS-Automatic-vintage.png My 21st present from my sis was an automatic Seiko. I gave it to my youngest son when we were cleaning up after the flood. Still ticking away.

They're such nice items to pass down. I also like Seiko, they make some gorgeous watches.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 8:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 8:33pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 8:21pm: [quote author=bobbythebat1 link=1699567962/21#21 date=1699611643] Anyone who can't tell the time on an analog clock is a halfwit. They're outdated technology. Can you use an abacus? Can you drive a horse & buggy? Can you tell the time?      :-[/quote] Yes. It's time you answered my questions.

Bobby?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 8:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 8:37pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 8:33pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 8:21pm: [quote author=bobbythebat1 link=1699567962/21#21 date=1699611643] Anyone who can't tell the time on an analog clock is a halfwit. They're outdated technology. Can you use an abacus? Can you drive a horse & buggy? Can you tell the time?      :-[/quote] Yes. It's time you answered my questions. Bobby?

Can you use an abacus?  - I used to know how but I forgot.

Can you drive a horse & buggy?  - I'm sure I could but I never have.



What is the time on this watch?


https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/134/835/785/original/8f0b794644af48ba.jpg

From Quora, but I agree

Learning to read an analog clock does have a developmental advantage. When learning to tell time, it give a much clearer picture of how seconds make up a minute, minutes make up an hour and hours make up a day.

Having to watch and bide one's time while the second hand goes around 5 times for five minutes to pass gives one a better sense of how much time is in a minute. I know there are some digital clocks that count out seconds, but that vast majority do not have that feature.

Learning to read an analog clock is also a lesson in fractions. Using a clock face makes it much easier to explain what a half an hour is. More importantly if it is currently 1:50 and I say I will arrive in a half an hour, it is a lot easier to figure that I will arrive at 2:20 if you can glance at an analog clock.

With that I will segue into the final reason. There are many, many time related phrases that rely on understanding how to read an analog clock: “ half-past nine,” “a quarter to two,” a quarter passed the hour.” Learning to make the thinking shifts necessary to understand that a “quarter TO two” is different than a “quarter PASSED two” is an important developmental skill. It is also important to know exactly what those phrases mean when others use them.

Learning to read an analog clock is not that difficult, but it does take practice. Parents cannot rely solely on schools teaching it; they need to give their children practice, too.

I promise that if learning to read an analog clock was necessary to win at games Mindcraft or Warcraft, kids would learn how to read them in three days.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 9:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 8:56pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 8:37pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 8:33pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 8:21pm: [quote author=bobbythebat1 link=1699567962/21#21 date=1699611643] Anyone who can't tell the time on an analog clock is a halfwit. They're outdated technology. Can you use an abacus? Can you drive a horse & buggy? Can you tell the time?      :-[/quote] Yes. It's time you answered my questions. Bobby? Can you use an abacus?  - I used to know how but I forgot.

Anyone who can't use an abacus is a halfwit.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 8:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 8:20pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 8:11pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 7:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:59pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:56pm: It's true - I have met kids who couldn't tell the time on an analog clock or watch. Even some as old as 16. Did you use an abacus in school, or a calculator? When I was about 13 we used slide rules. By the time I went to Uni we had calculators but programmable ones weren't allowed in exams. So, no abacus then. You embraced new technology. Digital clocks are new technology. Children should be embracing new technology. Anyone who can't tell the time on an analog clock is a halfwit. They're outdated technology. Can you use an abacus? Can you drive a horse & buggy?

Maybe I'm outdated but I think I could handle those tasks.

Greggy failed to read the time on that watch - he's a halfwit.

Gordon wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 7:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 7:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:59pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:56pm: It's true - I have met kids who couldn't tell the time on an analog clock or watch. Even some as old as 16. Did you use an abacus in school, or a calculator? When I was about 13 we used slide rules. By the time I went to Uni we had calculators but programmable ones weren't allowed in exams. My dad taught me slide rule when I was in primary. I reckon even doing simple problems with a  slide rule makes you visualise math in a way you can't electronically. My daughter is doing advanced maths and physics for HSC and  is light years ahead of what I ever did tho, probably 1 kid in her school could do that level without a calculator  ;D

Slide rules??

How old are you??

We used scientific calculators.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 9:08pm:

Greggy failed to read the time on that watch - he's a halfwit.

OR his parents did not let him watch PlaySchool.

The big hand is on the 12 so it’s something o’clock.

The little hand is on 7 so it’s 7 o’clock.

Which brings me to this : Does Greg have problems with shapes?

(I used to get VERY upset if I did not guess the right shaped window lol).

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 9:10pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 7:40pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 7:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:59pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:56pm: It's true - I have met kids who couldn't tell the time on an analog clock or watch. Even some as old as 16. Did you use an abacus in school, or a calculator? When I was about 13 we used slide rules. By the time I went to Uni we had calculators but programmable ones weren't allowed in exams. My dad taught me slide rule when I was in primary. I reckon even doing simple problems with a  slide rule makes you visualise math in a way you can't electronically. My daughter is doing advanced maths and physics for HSC and  is light years ahead of what I ever did tho, probably 1 kid in her school could do that level without a calculator  ;D Slide rules?? How old are you?? We used scientific calculators.

Young enough for slide rules to be an antique when I went to school. I'll look thru his pile of stuff in my garage some day, it's an old wooden one.

Gordon wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 9:18pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 9:10pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 7:40pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 7:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:59pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:56pm: It's true - I have met kids who couldn't tell the time on an analog clock or watch. Even some as old as 16. Did you use an abacus in school, or a calculator? When I was about 13 we used slide rules. By the time I went to Uni we had calculators but programmable ones weren't allowed in exams. My dad taught me slide rule when I was in primary. I reckon even doing simple problems with a  slide rule makes you visualise math in a way you can't electronically. My daughter is doing advanced maths and physics for HSC and  is light years ahead of what I ever did tho, probably 1 kid in her school could do that level without a calculator  ;D Slide rules?? How old are you?? We used scientific calculators. Young enough for slide rules to be an antique when I went to school. I'll look thru his pile of stuff in my garage some day, it's an old wooden one.

I can honestly say that I’ve never seen one,  I’ve never held one in my hands and I would not know what to do with one. It must therefore be a BOY thing.

Re your daughter ... I like her subjects. (I did 4 unit Maths and 2 unit Physics and 2 unit Chemistry AND 3 unit English and 2 Unit Modern History).

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 9:10pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 7:40pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 7:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:59pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:56pm: It's true - I have met kids who couldn't tell the time on an analog clock or watch. Even some as old as 16. Did you use an abacus in school, or a calculator? When I was about 13 we used slide rules. By the time I went to Uni we had calculators but programmable ones weren't allowed in exams. My dad taught me slide rule when I was in primary. I reckon even doing simple problems with a  slide rule makes you visualise math in a way you can't electronically. My daughter is doing advanced maths and physics for HSC and  is light years ahead of what I ever did tho, probably 1 kid in her school could do that level without a calculator  ;D Slide rules?? How old are you?? We used scientific calculators.

I'm too embarrassed to say my age.
I did use a slide rule at school for a while when I was 13.
It was quite a novelty.

Setanta wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 9:04pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 8:21pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 8:20pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 8:11pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 7:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:59pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:56pm: It's true - I have met kids who couldn't tell the time on an analog clock or watch. Even some as old as 16. Did you use an abacus in school, or a calculator? When I was about 13 we used slide rules. By the time I went to Uni we had calculators but programmable ones weren't allowed in exams. So, no abacus then. You embraced new technology. Digital clocks are new technology. Children should be embracing new technology. Anyone who can't tell the time on an analog clock is a halfwit. They're outdated technology. Can you use an abacus? Can you drive a horse & buggy? Maybe I'm outdated but I think I could handle those tasks.

Bobby can't.

He's a halfwit.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 7:45pm:

I used an HP32E calculator at Uni after upgrading from a Casio. I have an HP 50g graphing calculator now and I never used more than 1% of its power.  :)

Gordon wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 8:07pm:

Your old calculator is a museum piece. https://www.hpmuseum.org/hp32.htm I just went and peeked at daughters calc, she gave me the weirdest look and said, would you like to see my pencil sharpener too  ;D It's a FX82AU PLUS II

How's this one?

Sharp Elsi Mate EL-120

I bought this in 1974 or 1975 when I was working in an office in the Perth CBD.

Had it in storage for decades, I've just put 3 AA batteries in it tonight and it still works perfectly.  8-)

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It still has the quick instructions for how to use it stuck to the bottom.

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Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 9:22pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 9:18pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 9:10pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 7:40pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 7:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:59pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:56pm: It's true - I have met kids who couldn't tell the time on an analog clock or watch. Even some as old as 16. Did you use an abacus in school, or a calculator? When I was about 13 we used slide rules. By the time I went to Uni we had calculators but programmable ones weren't allowed in exams. My dad taught me slide rule when I was in primary. I reckon even doing simple problems with a  slide rule makes you visualise math in a way you can't electronically. My daughter is doing advanced maths and physics for HSC and  is light years ahead of what I ever did tho, probably 1 kid in her school could do that level without a calculator  ;D Slide rules?? How old are you?? We used scientific calculators. Young enough for slide rules to be an antique when I went to school. I'll look thru his pile of stuff in my garage some day, it's an old wooden one. I can honestly say that I’ve never seen one,  I’ve never held one in my hands and I would not know what to do with one. It must therefore be a BOY thing. Re your daughter ... I like her subjects. (I did 4 unit Maths and 2 unit Physics and 2 unit Chemistry AND 3 unit English and 2 Unit Modern History).

Larry is always good for a laugh the way he keeps trying to make his lies real, never misses an opportunity.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I was taught to use a slide rule, can’t remember using it in class afterwards tho. I do remember buying a programmable calculator but I think that was after high school.

When I studied statistics at Uni we used mechanical statistical calculators: enter a number, pull a big crank and the sum, the square of the sum and the sum of the squares and the number of entries were calculated. When all numbers had been entered the machine gave you the mean, variance and standard deviation of your sample. Worked but a trifle cumbersome.

Here is another one, from Environment where Larry is pretending to have a big garden


Quote:

you’ve given me a good idea for if/when I get to your age.

Sure Larry

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 9:22pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 9:18pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 9:10pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 7:40pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 7:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:59pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:56pm: It's true - I have met kids who couldn't tell the time on an analog clock or watch. Even some as old as 16. Did you use an abacus in school, or a calculator? When I was about 13 we used slide rules. By the time I went to Uni we had calculators but programmable ones weren't allowed in exams. My dad taught me slide rule when I was in primary. I reckon even doing simple problems with a  slide rule makes you visualise math in a way you can't electronically. My daughter is doing advanced maths and physics for HSC and  is light years ahead of what I ever did tho, probably 1 kid in her school could do that level without a calculator  ;D Slide rules?? How old are you?? We used scientific calculators. Young enough for slide rules to be an antique when I went to school. I'll look thru his pile of stuff in my garage some day, it's an old wooden one. I can honestly say that I’ve never seen one,  I’ve never held one in my hands and I would not know what to do with one. It must therefore be a BOY thing. Re your daughter ... I like her subjects. (I did 4 unit Maths and 2 unit Physics and 2 unit Chemistry AND 3 unit English and 2 Unit Modern History).

I just remember she's dropping physics next year because it's a lot of work compared to how it scales, it's all about strategy. She's doing 11 units, advanced English and maths, commerce then music. Her goal is a combined law/economics degree if she gets the marks, if not then start law and pick up economics later.

Gordon wrote on Nov 11^th, 2023 at 9:27am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 9:22pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 9:18pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 9:10pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 7:40pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 7:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:59pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:56pm: It's true - I have met kids who couldn't tell the time on an analog clock or watch. Even some as old as 16. Did you use an abacus in school, or a calculator? When I was about 13 we used slide rules. By the time I went to Uni we had calculators but programmable ones weren't allowed in exams. My dad taught me slide rule when I was in primary. I reckon even doing simple problems with a  slide rule makes you visualise math in a way you can't electronically. My daughter is doing advanced maths and physics for HSC and  is light years ahead of what I ever did tho, probably 1 kid in her school could do that level without a calculator  ;D Slide rules?? How old are you?? We used scientific calculators. Young enough for slide rules to be an antique when I went to school. I'll look thru his pile of stuff in my garage some day, it's an old wooden one. I can honestly say that I’ve never seen one,  I’ve never held one in my hands and I would not know what to do with one. It must therefore be a BOY thing. Re your daughter ... I like her subjects. (I did 4 unit Maths and 2 unit Physics and 2 unit Chemistry AND 3 unit English and 2 Unit Modern History). I just remember she's dropping physics next year because it's a lot of work compared to how it scales, it's all about strategy. She's doing 11 units, advanced English and maths, commerce then music. Her goal is a combined law/economics degree if she gets the marks, if not then start law and pick up economics later.

* She’s better off dropping Physics and picking up Economics then. (I now know that’s what I should have done.)

* The entry marks for law are higher than economics.

* I’m visualising these degree pathways👇

1. Economics/Law (combined program).

OR

2. Economics THEN Law.

OR

3. Arts (majoring in Economics) THEN Law.

I’m assuming she’s going to be attending Sydney Uni of course.

1. will be incredibly difficult to get into (it’s like trying to get into Medicine). Having said that ... there are a few ways to get around that obstacle IF she gets into Sydney Uni (which is far more flexible IMO).

Could you let us know how she gets on please?

Whatever you do please don’t let her go to UNSW. She’ll suffer there. Needlessly suffer. Their degrees are so inflexible and deliberately skewed towards the overseas Chinese student market.

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 11^th, 2023 at 9:43am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 11th, 2023 at 9:27am: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 9:22pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 9:18pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 9:10pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 7:40pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 7:02pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:59pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 6:56pm: It's true - I have met kids who couldn't tell the time on an analog clock or watch. Even some as old as 16. Did you use an abacus in school, or a calculator? When I was about 13 we used slide rules. By the time I went to Uni we had calculators but programmable ones weren't allowed in exams. My dad taught me slide rule when I was in primary. I reckon even doing simple problems with a  slide rule makes you visualise math in a way you can't electronically. My daughter is doing advanced maths and physics for HSC and  is light years ahead of what I ever did tho, probably 1 kid in her school could do that level without a calculator  ;D Slide rules?? How old are you?? We used scientific calculators. Young enough for slide rules to be an antique when I went to school. I'll look thru his pile of stuff in my garage some day, it's an old wooden one. I can honestly say that I’ve never seen one,  I’ve never held one in my hands and I would not know what to do with one. It must therefore be a BOY thing. Re your daughter ... I like her subjects. (I did 4 unit Maths and 2 unit Physics and 2 unit Chemistry AND 3 unit English and 2 Unit Modern History). I just remember she's dropping physics next year because it's a lot of work compared to how it scales, it's all about strategy. She's doing 11 units, advanced English and maths, commerce then music. Her goal is a combined law/economics degree if she gets the marks, if not then start law and pick up economics later. * She’s better off dropping Physics and picking up Economics then. (I now know that’s what I should have done.) * The entry marks for law are higher than economics. * I’m visualising these degree pathways👇 1. Economics/Law (combined program). OR 2. Economics THEN Law. OR 3. Arts (majoring in Economics) THEN Law. I’m assuming she’s going to be attending Sydney Uni of course. 1. will be incredibly difficult to get into (it’s like trying to get into Medicine). Having said that ... there are a few ways to get around that obstacle IF she gets into Sydney Uni (which is far more flexible IMO). Could you let us know how she gets on please? Whatever you do please don’t let her go to UNSW. She’ll suffer there. Needlessly suffer. Their degrees are so inflexible and deliberately skewed towards the overseas Chinese student market.

It's still a long way off as she's just in term 1 of year 12, but last week she met with adviser who recons based on her past results here trajectory for law at Sydney or NSW (Sydney obvious preference) is looking good.

Good thing is uni is so cheap in Australia and if things don't go to plan she can do something for a year then pick up law, but fingers crossed.

As for subjects, she's been doing economics for a few years and it's actually her fav. Physics was just something to do in year 11 which is good to pump up your maths overall.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 4:12pm:

What is wrong with sundials? Still work, don’t they?

That's what I reckon.  No batteries to run down, no
moving parts.  Waterproof and no maintenance, ever.

My brother asked me what I did at night, and I told
him that was easy... I just used my torch.

    ;)

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 1:44pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 8:12am: U.K. schools getting rid of analogue clocks because teens "cannot tell time" Apparently not.      https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/schools-removing-analog-clocks/     ::)

That's from 2018.

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 11^th, 2023 at 12:22pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 4:12pm: What is wrong with sundials? Still work, don’t they? That's what I reckon.  No batteries to run down, no moving parts.  Waterproof and no maintenance, ever. My brother asked me what I did at night, and I told him that was easy... I just used my torch.     ;)

Candle.

freediver wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 7:27am:

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 1:44pm: freediver wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 8:12am: U.K. schools getting rid of analogue clocks because teens "cannot tell time" Apparently not.      https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/schools-removing-analog-clocks/     ::) That's from 2018.

Yes.

The fake story in the OP is from 2018 too.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-k-schools-getting-rid-of-analog-clocks-because-teens-cannot-tell-time/

BY CAITLIN O'KANE

MAY 8, 2018 / 1:09 PM EDT / CBS NEWS

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10^th, 2023 at 9:00pm:

...What is the time on this watch?

          https://i.postimg.cc/j56T2ztq/8f0b794644af48ba-1.jpg

I'd be guessing—considering this particular watch face—that
today's kids could be confused by the numbers on the diver's
time left scale.

   Also there's no 12, 3, 6 or 9 on the actual face.     Dunno.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 11:18am:

freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:27am: AusGeoff wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 1:44pm: freediver wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 8:12am: U.K. schools getting rid of analogue clocks because teens "cannot tell time" Apparently not.      https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/schools-removing-analog-clocks/     ::) That's from 2018. Yes. The fake story in the OP is from 2018 too. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-k-schools-getting-rid-of-analog-clocks-because-teens-cannot-tell-time/ BY CAITLIN O'KANE MAY 8, 2018 / 1:09 PM EDT / CBS NEWS

LOL!

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 12^th, 2023 at 1:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 9:00pm: ...What is the time on this watch?           https://i.postimg.cc/j56T2ztq/8f0b794644af48ba-1.jpg I'd be guessing—considering this particular watch face—that today's kids could be confused by the numbers on the diver's time left scale.    Also there's no 12, 3, 6 or 9 on the actual face.     Dunno.

You can't tell the time?


https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/134/835/785/original/8f0b794644af48ba.jpg

You want analog or digital, gaylord?

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 12:55pm:

You want analog or digital, gaylord?

Listen poof -
not one person on Ozpolitic has offered to say what the time is on that watch.
Do we have low IQ people here?

Do we have low IQ people here?

Well, there is you. . .

mothra wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 7:38am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 11:18am: freediver wrote on Nov 12th, 2023 at 7:27am: AusGeoff wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 1:44pm: freediver wrote on Nov 10th, 2023 at 8:12am: U.K. schools getting rid of analogue clocks because teens "cannot tell time" Apparently not.      https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/schools-removing-analog-clocks/     ::) That's from 2018. Yes. The fake story in the OP is from 2018 too. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-k-schools-getting-rid-of-analog-clocks-because-teens-cannot-tell-time/ BY CAITLIN O'KANE MAY 8, 2018 / 1:09 PM EDT / CBS NEWS LOL!

Yeah   :)

The snopes article agrees with what I posted.

Analog is for those who can't tell the time and can't 'pace' themselves.

Month and day as numerals is for calendar-challenged yanks who can't read maps, or 1st 2nd 3rd 4th.

All hours are equal, but some are more equal than others............ The Shift Worker's Manual Of Being.....

freediver wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 6:55am:

The snopes article agrees with what I posted.

Agreed, dear. Past tense. Five years ago.


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What's False Schools throughout the UK are not replacing analog clocks with digital versions in all classrooms because modern students cannot tell time.

Ever get the feeling you've been farmed?

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 19^th, 2023 at 7:57am:

All hours are equal, but some are more equal than others............ The Shift Worker's Manual Of Being.....

True, but all tenses are not. Present and past tense are not equal.

School removing and not removing clocks is not equal too.

As for the UK and Queensland governments being equal, that's wrong too. In fact, I think we can safely say that there's nothing "equal" in this news story at all - nothing equal to the truth, anyway.

It's what we call fiction: a viral fake news beat-up - from 2018.

Some are less equal to others too, no?