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Title: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:01am
Courier Mail today - paywalled.
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What a ridiculous outcome from the ruling by our woke wanker High Court. I agree they should be held in detention indefinitely ..... they should have been deported long ago. Next thing they'll be finding all the murderers, rapists & child sex offenders in our prison system are there illegally & order their release. This country is going to shyte in a hand basket. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by philperth2010 on Nov 27th, 2023 at 9:20am Gnads wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:01am:
So you would allow the Government of the day to decide the guilt and punishment of individuals instead of the courts....It was legislation introduced by Peter Dutton whilst he was Home Affairs Minister that was unconstitutional and forced the court to release the detainees....Be careful what you wish for??? ::) ::) ::) https://www.crikey.com.au/2023/11/23/nzyq-migration-amendments-unconstitutional/ |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Nov 27th, 2023 at 9:27am philperth2010 wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 9:20am:
They are not Australian citizens... the do not fit the criteria for granting asylum because they are known criminals ....meaning they are not of good character... they should be deported ... end of. Why on earth would you condone the release of foreign criminals into our society? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by philperth2010 on Nov 27th, 2023 at 9:55am Gnads wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 9:27am:
I am not condoning anything....It has already been established these detainees cannot be sent home and cannot be locked up indefinatly unless they have commited a crime and sentenced by a court of law....The only crime most of these detainees have commited were to arive by boat and seek asylum....The only way to deport all refugees would be to amend the constitution and remove Australia from the refugee convention....The original policy was designed to deter boat arrivals by subjecting them to indefinate detention and denying them entry to Australia by sending them to other countries who would take them....Politicians cannot decide the guilt and punishment of any one in Australia and so it should be....Your argument is flawed and has no basis in law!!! Quote:
::) ::) ::) https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/08/02/australia-appalling-abuse-neglect-refugees-nauru https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/mar/20/record-100000-people-seeking-asylum-who-remain-in-australia |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Bias_2012 on Nov 27th, 2023 at 9:57am
So they get monitored, and they get charged if they breach the rules ... but how long will the monitoring go on for?
Most of them are not criminals we are told, so the majority will be given the opportunity to apply for citizenship after the next election The few remaining, criminals, will be strictly monitored until the next election, after which, the Libs and Labs will come to an agreement that will allow those criminals to work, but with their ankle monitors still on. Then after two years of working and being monitored during that time, they will have their ankle monitors removed and allowed to blend into the community. The dust would have settled, and our short memories and our abundance of humanitarian tolerance will take over, negating any thoughts that those criminals could possibly commit any more crimes My conscience is clear, I've never voted for the half-brained ALP and Coalition, and I'm not about to start now Who'd vote for that big mouth Clare O'Neil? ... egotistical generic Clare! ... "I'll keep you safe, I'll keep you safe" - sure, keep the criminals safe before anyone else |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by philperth2010 on Nov 27th, 2023 at 10:09am Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 9:57am:
Why would you want politicians to decide someone's guilt without a trial and decide the punishment....There is nowhere to send these people once they are rejected by a third country....What is needed is practicle solutions that do not punish innocent people??? ::) ::) ::) |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by The Grappler Truth Teller on Nov 27th, 2023 at 10:35am
Been there - done that - justice delayed is justice denied - ergo - forget the prison sentence and waste of money - ship 'em out on the first available flight and dump 'em in the airport at their 'home country' - let them deal with it.
You bred 'em - you fed 'em - now we are not going to bed 'em and shed 'em but shed 'em instead 'em!! Has everyone in this country had their balls removed by this ridiculous Matriarchy? Have they all decided they'd prefer to be 'transwomen' and snuggle up to the poor widdle cwiminals instead of boosting their arses into orbit? There is no punishment in being orbited out of the country where you have committed grievous crime, and no punishment in being held in safe detention away from the community until deportation occurs. Shape 'em up and ship 'em out... |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Bias_2012 on Nov 27th, 2023 at 10:59am philperth2010 wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 10:09am:
I just told you what the "practical" solutions will be. The crims will be allowed to blend into the community after the next election when we've all forgotten about the issue The High Court ruled that their indefinite detention was unlawful, it didn't rule that the crims among them were innocent |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Black Orchid on Nov 27th, 2023 at 12:39pm philperth2010 wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 10:09am:
Let's try to be sensible here. Many have been convicted by the courts of serious crimes including child rape and murder. One has an Interpol warrant out for his arrest and we are protecting him. These are not innocent people nor are they Australians. Most are convicted criminals. They should NOT be let out on our streets amongst innocent and unsuspecting citizens. What are you going to tell the families of victims when thry commit more crimes. They have rights but you don't? It's high time we started looking out for our own. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Black Orchid on Nov 27th, 2023 at 12:49pm
Released asylum seekers refuse ankle bracelets
Four asylum seekers are under investigation after refusing to wear an electronic ankle monitoring bracelet as Labor refuses to reveal exactly what offences each of the 138 people now released from immigration detention have been convicted of. https://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=HSWEB_WRE170_a&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.heraldsun.com.au%2Fnews%2Fnsw%2Faustralian-border-force-federal-police-get-255-million-injection-to-help-track-convicted-detainees%2Fnews-story%2F417cd2a9c371f779a59b523769ebd344&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium&v21=GROUPA-Segment-2-NOSCORE Paywall sorry. If they refused to wear an ankle bracelet why were they just let go? This has to be the most insanity I've ever witnessed. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Bobby. on Nov 27th, 2023 at 12:54pm https://nybreaking.com/afghan-refugee-asked-three-boys-for-sex-after-being-released-from-immigration-detention/ Afghan refugee asked three boys for sex after being released from immigration detention Australia By William Last updated Nov 23, 2023 FYBR served more than nine months in prison and was then transferred to immigration detention, where he spent the next seven years. The photo shows Villawood detention center in Sydney’s west FYBR applied for a safe haven visa as he faced persecution due to his Hazara ethnicity and Shia Muslim religion, but was denied because he did not meet the character test. The Administrative Appeals Tribunal again rejected FYBR when it attempted to overturn that decision. “FYBR knows that what he did in Australia was unacceptable because of the consequences of his actions for him, but he does not understand why his actions were wrong,” it said. ‘He seemed to think his behavior was acceptable because he didn’t touch his victims. ‘The tribunal concludes from his evidence that at the material time he believed that the freedom available in Australia, compared to the restrictions on his conduct in Pakistan, enabled him to solicit minors to satisfy his sexual desires.’ The tribunal rejected FYBR’s claim that he was now aware of Australian law and spent every night reading a code of conduct provided to him while in detention. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Nov 27th, 2023 at 1:02pm philperth2010 wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 10:09am:
You send them back to the airport in their country of origin & then it's that countries problem not ours. And I didn't say all of them - but there are dozens in that 141 who are convicted criminals. Quote:
Now why do you think the High Court would do something like that? They are not a "law unto themselves". They do not ... or they're not supposed to "run the country". And a court should also be concerned that their decisions do not adversely affect Australian citizens. And that's what they've done by their actions. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Nov 27th, 2023 at 1:06pm Black Orchid wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 12:49pm:
Straight back in they should go. Then on the first plane to their own country of origin. Once there they are no longer our problem. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by philperth2010 on Nov 27th, 2023 at 1:47pm Black Orchid wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 12:39pm:
This has nothing to do with me....The High Court of Australia has determined that only courts of law can rule on crimes and set punishments....Wanting Politicians to decide someone is guilty and setting unlimited detention is against the law and violates the Constitution....If you don't like the decision take it up with the High Court of Australia!!! ::) ::) ::) Fools rush in where fools have been before. Unknown |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Black Orchid on Nov 27th, 2023 at 1:52pm
Immigration Minister Andrew Giles said the released foreigners included three murderers and several sex offenders. He offered to give deputy opposition leader Sussan Ley a breakdown later of how many had been convicted of sex crimes.
https://apnews.com/article/australia-indefinite-detention-murderers-26c065763b7159580f69ef4206000bb8 Anyone who supports this, even by way of ignoring it, is inasne. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by philperth2010 on Nov 27th, 2023 at 2:09pm Black Orchid wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 1:52pm:
This was a decision by the High Court of Australia not politicians....The legislation introduced by Peter Dutton was flawed and struck down by the High Court of Australia as unconstitutional....Why is the rule of law and seperation of powers so hard for some people to understand??? ::) ::) ::) |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 27th, 2023 at 2:13pm Black Orchid wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 12:39pm:
How many? Black Orchid wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 12:39pm:
I've not seen that reported anywhere. Who told you that? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 27th, 2023 at 2:19pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 2:13pm:
From all of the reports I've read, none have said how many of the asylum seekers are convicted or wanted criminals. Certainly no politician or anyone else involved has said that most of them are criminals. I've not seen any reports claiming that they broke out of prison in their home country, so it can probably be assumed that they served their time back home. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by philperth2010 on Nov 27th, 2023 at 2:21pm Gnads wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 1:02pm:
You do understand that every criminal accept those who commit the most serious crimes cannot be held indefinatly with no adverse judgement found against them....Even if these people are convicted of rape or other serious crimes by an Australia court there would be a release date set by the court....There are also conventions and treaties Australia has ratified that prevent our Government from returning asylum seekers to a country where they face persecution....I understand people's concerns about criminals being released into the community which is why new legislation needs to be enacted to address the issues raised by the High Court....Peter Dutton flubbed it again!!! ::) ::) ::) |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 27th, 2023 at 2:26pm philperth2010 wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 2:21pm:
I understand those concerns too, however, convicted Australian criminals are released back into society every day. Once they've completed their sentences, they are set free. So, we have Australian-born citizens walking around our streets right now who have been convicted of rape, murder, kidnapping, child abuse, etc. That's the way it's always been. Some of these asylum seekers have been convicted of crimes in the past and have obviously served their sentences in their home countries. We don't know how many though - is it 4 or is it 100? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Bobby. on Nov 27th, 2023 at 2:37pm
I think we should unsign the convention and protocol below.
It costs too much money - in the 10s of $billions and also costs lives. https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BriefingBook44p/AsylumSeekers Australia is a party to the 1951 Convention relating to the Status of Refugees and its 1967 Protocol, which defines a refugee as a person who has a well-founded fear of persecution for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by philperth2010 on Nov 27th, 2023 at 2:40pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 2:26pm:
I have already explained this Greg....Although some people seam to think the law does not matter when it concerns asylum seekers....The High Court is not listening to their raving Greg and they cannot understand why??? ::) ::) ::) Under a government which imprisons unjustly, the true place for a just man is also a prison. Henry David Thoreau (1817 - 1862), Civil Disobedience, 1849 |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Bobby. on Nov 27th, 2023 at 2:45pm philperth2010 wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 2:40pm:
Phil - in this case you're saying it's OK for our country to be invaded by murderers, rapists, pedophiles and terrorists? We just have to let them out on our streets? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Aussie on Nov 27th, 2023 at 2:52pm Gnads wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 9:27am:
Some were, including the specific Plaintiff in the High Court action. Dutton gave himself power to remove that citizenshio and bung people in detention, both decisions being held to be unconstitutional by the High Court. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by philperth2010 on Nov 27th, 2023 at 2:54pm Bobby. wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 2:45pm:
I am not saying anything of the sort Bobby....What are you going to do about this decision by the High Court Bobby....Are you going to continue blaming other posters on a political forum for this High Court decision or blame Peter Dutton who stuffed up the legislation....Why are trying to push the blame onto me for Peter Dutton's failure??? :-? :-? :-? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by philperth2010 on Nov 27th, 2023 at 2:56pm Aussie wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 2:52pm:
Too complicated for the right wing nut jobs on here Aussie....Can you type in brail so they can understand their stupidity??? ;) ;) ;) |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Bobby. on Nov 27th, 2023 at 3:01pm Aussie wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 2:52pm:
Hi Aussie, so the Constitution applies to: murderers, rapists, pedophiles and terrorists - who are not Australian citizens and who invaded our country? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Aussie on Nov 27th, 2023 at 3:04pm Bobby. wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 3:01pm:
Huh? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by philperth2010 on Nov 27th, 2023 at 3:09pm Aussie wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 3:04pm:
Bobby needs to explain that one Aussie....This should be interesting??? :-? :-? :-? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 27th, 2023 at 3:28pm Bobby. wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 2:45pm:
Bobby, please concentrate. What happens to Australian-born citizens who have completed their prison sentences for crimes such as murder, rape, terrorism, and child sexual assault? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 27th, 2023 at 3:30pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 2:26pm:
Still waiting for an answer to this question. Anyone know? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 27th, 2023 at 3:31pm Bobby. wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 2:45pm:
What happens to Australian-born citizens who have completed their prison sentences for crimes such as murder, rape, terrorism, and child sexual assault? Are they: a) let out on our streets?, or b) let out on our streets? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by John Smith on Nov 27th, 2023 at 3:32pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 2:13pm:
they made it up :D |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Bobby. on Nov 27th, 2023 at 3:33pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 3:28pm:
We let them out on our streets so they can do it again. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Bobby. on Nov 27th, 2023 at 3:34pm Aussie wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 3:04pm:
Sorry - I don't think I could explain it more clearly than that. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by John Smith on Nov 27th, 2023 at 3:35pm philperth2010 wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 2:40pm:
that sort of stupidity is the exact reason why were now in this position. If Mr Potato head had applied the law as it stood, instead of trying to make it up, we would never have been in this mess |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 27th, 2023 at 3:43pm John Smith wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 3:32pm:
Indeed. A complete fabrication. Why do they do that? ::) |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by philperth2010 on Nov 27th, 2023 at 4:05pm John Smith wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 3:35pm:
Exactly right....We could have processed their assylum claims instead of locking them up indefinitely....Now Dutton is responsible for a flood of aslum seekers entering the country with the stroke of a pen....Dutton is in denial!!! Quote:
::) ::) ::) https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/dutton-gets-it-wrong-with-labor-asylum-seeker-claim/ |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Frank on Nov 27th, 2023 at 4:48pm philperth2010 wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 4:05pm:
Their asylum claims HAVE BEEN processed and rejected. They cannot be deported and are not eligible for protection= they are in the country illegally. That's why they were locked up and the previous HC decision about 20 years ago endorsed the detention of illegal queue jumpers like these. This HC overturned the previous decision. In 2004, the High Court in the case of Al-Kateb held that it was constitutionally permissible to detain people indefinitely. The High Court found that the Migration Act permitted the indefinite detention of a stateless Palestinian man, and that such detention did not breach the separation of powers in the Constitution. Because Al-Kateb was a stateless Palestinian, there was no country which he could be returned to, and thus was stateless. As the Government refused to grant him a visa, the High Court interpreted the Migration Act as authorising indefinite detention, even in cases where removal was not possible. Unfortunately, many other people remain detained today with very similar cases. The decision in the Al-Kateb case has resulted in tens of thousands of people being indefinitely detained across Australia, including thousands of children over the past 20 years |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Black Orchid on Nov 27th, 2023 at 4:53pm
And of course it's all about Dutton for the left and aok! :D ::)
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Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Bias_2012 on Nov 27th, 2023 at 4:57pm
We ought to lock up the Libs and Labs indefinitely
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Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Frank on Nov 27th, 2023 at 5:01pm
Immigration will be high on the agenda at the next election, whether our political class wants to discuss it or not. The consequences of high immigration numbers are felt most in the middle and outer suburbs, where the next election will be decided. This is where people are being sledgehammered by rising interest rates, the Reserve Bank’s response to inflation, which remains stubbornly high in no small measure because of migration.
Without immigration Australia would be in a technical recession. The decline in productivity would be taking its toll. Bottlenecks would have eased and inflation would be receding. With the size of the immigration program, the last thing we needed was the return of concerns about border control. Yet its mishandling of the High Court’s decision to release illegal migrants with serious criminal records from indefinite detention achieved just that. The decision to issue 860 temporary visas to Palestinians since October 7 hardly helps Labor’s case. It finds itself wedged between the legitimate concerns of Australians and the elevated ideals of the progressive left. The government is trying hard to portray the spike in immigration as a post-pandemic surge. It pains to point out that numbers will return to normal, whatever normal might be, in the coming years. Yet the average cap of 227,000 migrants in the 13 years before Covid was significantly higher than the previous 10-year average of 97,000 under John Howard. It was markedly higher than the average for developed countries, including Sweden and Germany, where the scale of immigration has seriously damaged the social fabric. ... The holes in Treasury’s crude, inflated expectations of the benefits of migration are large enough to be seen from space. Not all migrants are skilled and few are primed to earn significant salaries the moment they step off the plane. A new set of data on migrant employment, compiled by the Australian Bureau of Statistics, offers a more realistic picture of what happens in the real world as opposed to the world inhabited by the Treasury. Migrants in 2019-20 comprised 29.8 per cent of the population but held down just 26.3 per cent of all jobs. The median annual personal income for migrants was $45,351 in 2019-20, compared with $52,338 for the general population. There is massive disparity between the annual income of permanent, skilled visa holders ($79,300) and those on temporary visas ($34,600) and temporary student visas ($20,400), whose contribution to tax revenue is low or non-existent. Student visas, with their associated working rights, account for much of the growth in immigration in the past 15 years. It has had a dramatic impact on campus culture and the quality of university education. The proportion of overseas students at Group of Eight universities has risen from 32 per cent to 38 per cent since Covid. A recent study by Navitas predicts 50 per cent of students will come from overseas by the end of the decade. Sooner or later, governments and university authorities must confront the degrading effects of uncapped overseas enrolments. Any attempt to reduce these numbers to more sensible levels will face strong opposition from the universities and, by extension, the inner-metropolitan elites with their starry-eyed commitment to a big Australia, rich in diversity and social justice. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/dutton-cant-baulk-at-chance-to-hit-alp-where-it-hurts-most-immigration/news-story/108e31e3eb047659180634dc8804d97c Australia's skilled migrants: https://twitter.com/GoldingBF/status/1728473749505089695 |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by John Smith on Nov 27th, 2023 at 5:03pm Black Orchid wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 4:53pm:
It was HIS laws that were illegal dumbarse. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 27th, 2023 at 5:14pm Frank wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 4:48pm:
No. They haven't broken any laws by a) claiming asylum or b) failing in that bid. They are locked up because Australian law requires that a person should be detained until they are granted a visa or leave the country. They are not charged with any offence. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Frank on Nov 27th, 2023 at 5:17pm John Smith wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 5:03pm:
It has been law for 25 years. The High Court confirmed the validity of section 501 of the migration act in 2004. The character test explained The Department of Home Affairs may refuse or cancel a visa if the visa applicant/holder does not pass the character test. The Minister for Home Affairs, the Minister for Immigration Citizenship and Multicultural Affairs or one of their delegates, can make this decision. A person whose visa has been refused or cancelled by a delegate under section 501 can apply to the AAT to have this decision changed. The Administrative Appeals Tribunal (AAT) cannot review decisions made by the Minister personally, only decisions made by delegates. Section 501 of the Migration Act 1958 lists a variety of reasons why someone may not pass the character test. Subsection(6) of section 501 has the full list of reasons, but examples include: - because the person has a substantial criminal record - because the person may represent a danger to the Australian community - because the Minister is satisfied the person is not of good character due to their past and present criminal or general conduct. A person whose visa has been refused or cancelled by a delegate under section 501 can apply to the AAT to have this decision changed. Section 501(3A) states that a visa must be cancelled when the visa holder has been sentenced to 12 months or more imprisonment, or has been found guilty of a sexually based crime involving a child. The visa holder must also be serving a full-time custodial sentence. This is called a mandatory cancellation. A mandatory cancellation may be revoked by a delegate of the Minister or the Administrative Appeals Tribunal if they are satisfied the person does in fact pass the character test or where there is another reason for revocation. If a mandatory cancellation is revoked by a delegate or the Tribunal, the person whose visa was cancelled will get their visa back. The Minister has the power to overturn this decision. Section 501 provides further guidance about the application of the character test, including how to decide whether a person has a substantial criminal record. Further, a Ministerial Direction issued by the Minister for Immigration Citizenship and Multicultural Affairs guides any decision maker, including the AAT, when considering whether to refuse or cancel a visa where the applicant does not pass the character test. https://www.aat.gov.au/about-the-aat/learn-more/the-character-test-explained The High Court has NOT explained the legal basis of its decision to invalidate section 501, re the Minister's ability to cancel/refuse a visa for bad characters. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by JC Denton on Nov 27th, 2023 at 5:26pm
all this endless talk and squabbling and emotional and social energy invested in something we do not even need to have in the first place:
a migration program amazing that people think that this is all worth it lol no quantity of immigrants is worth it no matter who they are and letting in a few inevitably leads to a hundred thousand more just end all of this now population growth is not needed anyway |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Frank on Nov 27th, 2023 at 5:28pm JC Denton wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 5:26pm:
Immigration will be high on the agenda at the next election, whether our political class wants to discuss it or not. The consequences of high immigration numbers are felt most in the middle and outer suburbs, where the next election will be decided. This is where people are being sledgehammered by rising interest rates, the Reserve Bank’s response to inflation, which remains stubbornly high in no small measure because of migration. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 27th, 2023 at 5:30pm JC Denton wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 5:26pm:
Do you like capitalism? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by JC Denton on Nov 27th, 2023 at 5:33pm
societies with immigration, let alone high levels of immigration have to deal with the infinite number of complexities and difficulties that causes
societies with no immigration do not its a clear choice but MUH AGING POPULATION (would happen anyway stfu) etc etc etc |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by JC Denton on Nov 27th, 2023 at 5:33pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 5:30pm:
no infinite growth in a finite world is not possible |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 27th, 2023 at 5:35pm JC Denton wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 5:33pm:
Ah, we're on the same page then. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Black Orchid on Nov 27th, 2023 at 6:34pm John Smith wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 5:03pm:
I don't remember Dutton being around 25 years ago. Do you? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 27th, 2023 at 6:37pm Black Orchid wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 6:34pm:
Is it true that 25 years ago, as a police officer, he was driving young aboriginal boys out into the bush, stealing their shoes, and then making them walk all the way back into town? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:10pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 2:26pm:
These in the main are not Australians. End of Peccar. Answer the question here that I posed to Phil. Quote:
Why would the High Court do this? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:18pm Gnads wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:10pm:
Indeed. But how many are convicted criminals? Nobody seems to know. Somebody said "most", without a shred of evidence. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:23pm Aussie wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 2:52pm:
Yeah a Sydney underworld figure John Ibrahims brother bikie crim Sam. Born in Lebanon .. from what I've read he's not an Australian citizen... all the Ibrahim brothers are involved in gang related crime. Dutton didn't cancel his citizenship he cancelled his visa in 2015 so he could deport the criminal back to Lebanon. There's no excuse for defending the criminals that were in detention as non citizens of this country. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:25pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 3:28pm:
It's irrelevant to non citizens Peccar & you know it. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Frank on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:26pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:18pm:
How many convicted criminals are you happy to release from detention, repellent creep? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:32pm Frank wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:26pm:
White, Australian-born, convicted criminals are released from detention in this country every single day. The asylum seekers in question were not being detained for their crimes - they were being detained because they don't have visas. What part of this don't you understand? Now, how many are convicted criminals - do you have a number? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:34pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 3:43pm:
It doesn't matter if it's only one. And you know it's more than one. Quote:
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/former-detainees-referred-to-afp-over-ankle-bracelet-rules-20231127-p5emzo.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12794241/Asylum-seekers-refuse-wear-ankle-bracelets-Albanese-government-admits-ABF-officers-unprepared-enforce-new-rules.html |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:37pm Gnads wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:34pm:
How do you know it's more than one? :-/ There's absolutely nothing in your post that says the four asylum seekers in question are convicted criminals. So, I'll ask again: how many are convicted criminals? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:38pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 6:37pm:
Irrelevant. And I bet he would have done the same to white kids who were playing up. Stop being a putz Peccar. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:39pm Gnads wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:38pm:
Maybe, but is it true or not? I'm curious. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Frank on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:44pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:32pm:
Illegal queue jumping chancers, many are criminals NOBODY WANTS. We are stuck with hundreds of criminal illegals queue jumpers - yes, shitehead, mouth it: ILLEGAL queue jumpers - THEIR OWN COUNTRIES wouldn't take back. The dregs of their countries as you are of this one. There is no cause that aims to destroy Australia that you don't support as enthusiastically as your impaired uncle Bbwian. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:44pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:37pm:
Ibrahim, the Afghanini paedophile for starters. that's more than one. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-14/government-details-visas-immigration-detention-high-court-/103103322 That's more than one ... these are serious convictions. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:45pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:39pm:
It's irrelevant to this situation. STFU. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by John Smith on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:49pm Black Orchid wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 4:53pm:
The thread title is about stupid politicians dumbarse. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by John Smith on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:51pm Frank wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 5:17pm:
They weren't locked up indefinitely 25yrs ago. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Frank on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:52pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:39pm:
Pity he didn't do it to you. Hang your guitar, your drums, your piano and kitchen sink around your weaselly chicken neck and let you walk back to civilisation so you would appreciate it, rotten punk. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Frank on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:54pm John Smith wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:51pm:
How is that relevamt or illuminating in any way, thick as **** bozo? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by John Smith on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:56pm Black Orchid wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 6:34pm:
Ohh, you read Frank's reply too? Bravo. Now you just have to figure out what it means. The laws weren't wrong, the high Court is simply enforcing those laws. Dutton was wrong in locking them up indefinitely, in doing so he made up his own laws. . |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by John Smith on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:57pm Frank wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:54pm:
Not relevant Frank? :D :D :D Get that refund |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 27th, 2023 at 8:00pm Gnads wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:44pm:
So, two? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by John Smith on Nov 27th, 2023 at 8:00pm Quote:
So why pretend it's all of them if it doesn't matter? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 27th, 2023 at 8:02pm Frank wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:44pm:
There's no queue. But tell me, how many are convicted criminals? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Frank on Nov 27th, 2023 at 8:02pm John Smith wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:56pm:
The HC said in 2004 that it was OK, THICKO ****Wit. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 27th, 2023 at 8:03pm John Smith wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 8:00pm:
Exactly. Why do they have to lie about it? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 27th, 2023 at 8:03pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 8:02pm:
Frank? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Frank on Nov 27th, 2023 at 8:04pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 8:02pm:
All of them. They wouldn't have been detained otherwise, disgusting, stupid creep. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 27th, 2023 at 8:06pm Frank wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 8:04pm:
They were detained because they don't have visas that allow them to stay in Australia. So, I'll ask again: how many are convicted criminals? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by John Smith on Nov 27th, 2023 at 8:07pm Frank wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 8:02pm:
Can you show where the high Court said you can lock them up indefinitely? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 27th, 2023 at 8:09pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 2:13pm:
Black Orchid? :-/ |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Frank on Nov 27th, 2023 at 8:16pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 8:06pm:
All of them. Told you already, creepy, disgusting &%^*&%$#. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 27th, 2023 at 8:26pm Frank wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 8:16pm:
Your evidence? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Frank on Nov 27th, 2023 at 8:47pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 8:26pm:
S501 of the migration act. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Frank on Nov 27th, 2023 at 8:48pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 8:26pm:
S501 of the migration act. Innocents are not detained indefinitely in Australia, stinking creep. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 27th, 2023 at 8:58pm Frank wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 8:47pm:
Asylum seekers who have been refused a visa on character grounds are not convicted criminals. Your white flag has been accepted ;) |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by The Grappler Truth Teller on Nov 27th, 2023 at 10:18pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 8:58pm:
Convicted criminals due for deportation cannot retrospectively claim asylum status if they did not do so at their time of first entry, and they remain convicted criminals with citizenship of another state and deemed fit for deportation... and thus able to be held in detention..... should've deported them years ago to save all this softcock/sheila judge trouble. Your white flag has been accepted. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by philperth2010 on Nov 28th, 2023 at 7:04am Frank wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 8:02pm:
The legislation that was struck down by the High Court were drafted by then immigration minister Peter Dutton in 2015 Frank!!! Quote:
::) ::) ::) https://nswcourts.com.au/articles/high-court-strikes-down-duttons-citizenship-cancellation-terror-powers/ |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Nov 28th, 2023 at 7:10am John Smith wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:49pm:
It's about our stupid politicians & stupid High Court. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Nov 28th, 2023 at 7:13am John Smith wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:56pm:
Courts don't "enforce" laws ... they interpret the law & make rulings. And dopey ... Politicians "do make" laws. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Nov 28th, 2023 at 7:14am greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 8:00pm:
No that makes at least 5. Is being obtuse now your forte? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Nov 28th, 2023 at 7:17am John Smith wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 8:00pm:
I didn't pretend it was "all" of them ... you just made it up. Apart from the really serious offenders ... a good number have other convictions .... why do you think the majority have been made to wear ankle bracelets? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Nov 28th, 2023 at 7:18am greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 8:03pm:
I know whose lying to defend undesirable illegal aliens. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Nov 28th, 2023 at 7:22am philperth2010 wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 7:04am:
The High Court at the time didn't have a problem with it. Why is that. Politicians make laws/legislation .... they have to run it by the Govt legal team. Dutton didn't just put it together off his own bat. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by SadKangaroo on Nov 28th, 2023 at 7:23am greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 8:58pm:
It's easier to not think of them as fellow humans by branding them criminals. It's racism 101. Every time a black American is killed by the police in a George Floyd style, their past is always brought up, painting them as a thug or criminal as if the extra-judicial killing is then justified. Same thing for Palestinians. They're either called criminals or all of them are considered Hamas or Terrorists. It's easier to ignore their murder if you think them sub-human. In the end, it's simply a dislike of coloured people. Should be the motto of this forum, OzPolitic.com - We platform people who don't like coloureds ™️ Be they Asian, Indigenous, Brown, Black or any sort of ethnicity, someone here hates them and will let you know even without asking. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Nov 28th, 2023 at 7:32am
And it didn't take long for one of the criminal child sex offending asylum seekers who refused to wear an ankle bracelet to go missing.
Should never have been released. Quote:
Why refuse to wear an ankle bracelet if you have nothing to hide & want your case to stay in Australia to be successful? Would already indicate to me that their cases have already been heard and were unsuccessful & they should have already been deported. They'll go on the run like the Rohingya kiddy fiddler. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Nov 28th, 2023 at 7:40am SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 7:23am:
Ohh FFS piss off with that crap. Most are undesirable illegal criminal immigrants, it doesn't matter what their race or creed is. We deported white pommy Whisky Au Go Go arsonist & multi murderer James Finch back to the UK after 15 years in jail here. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by AusGeoff on Nov 28th, 2023 at 7:49am Electronic ankle bracelets are a joke in reality. They can be cut off in seconds, and thrown into the nearest storm drain or smashed with a sledge hammer. So much for tracking paedophiles and murderers! >:( |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Frank on Nov 28th, 2023 at 9:07am philperth2010 wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 7:04am:
Different decision: from June 15, 2022. Check your link, Desolate Macropod. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 28th, 2023 at 9:19am Gnads wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 7:40am:
Who said that most of them are convicted criminals? What's your source? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 28th, 2023 at 9:23am Gnads wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 7:18am:
I'm not defending anyone. I'm just calling out liars. Nobody in authority has stated that most of the released asylum seekers are convicted criminals. That's a complete fabrication. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by John Smith on Nov 28th, 2023 at 9:27am Gnads wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 7:13am:
Parliament makes laws ya dumbarse. Not individual politicians |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 28th, 2023 at 9:46am Some clarification for those who are claiming that most of the released asylum seekers are convicted criminals. We know for a fact that most of those being kept in detention had failed character tests. However, you don't necessarily need to be a convicted criminal to have failed the character test. Section 501 of the Migration Act provides that a person does not pass the character test if they fall within any of the grounds specified in subsections 501(6)(a) to (d). These grounds can be grouped into five broad categories: - substantial criminal record - conviction for immigration detention offences - association with persons suspected of engaging in criminal conduct - past and present criminal or general conduct - significant risk of particular types of future conduct. So, two of the categories (in bold) don't involve criminal convictions. Sure, they're still not the sort of people we want coming here and I'm glad that their asylum seeker applications were rejected. However, let's just stick to the facts: most failed the character test, but we have no idea at the moment how many are convicted criminals. Moreover, Australian-born convicted criminals who have served their terms are being released into the community every day. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Frank on Nov 28th, 2023 at 10:00am greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 9:46am:
They have no valid claim to be in Australia - ie they are here illegally - , they are of bad character and they cannot be deported. So the HC says let them go free. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 28th, 2023 at 10:04am Frank wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 10:00am:
That's correct. However, nobody in authority has stated that most of them are convicted criminals. So, I'm wondering why some people are running with that lie. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by AusGeoff on Nov 28th, 2023 at 10:08am Many of these scumbag illegals weren't simply shoplifters or litterbugs, or speeding motorists. A report to Home Affairs minister O'Neil showed 21 of them were referred to her for issues around "national security, cybercrime, serious and high profile organised/gang-related, and high-ranking outlaw motorcycle gangs". Another 27 were referred to Immigration minister Giles for "very serious violent offences, very serious crimes against children, very serious family/domestic violence or violent, and sexual or exploitative offences against women". —Would you be happy to have one of these illegals stay in your spare bedroom Greg? Or even live next door to you? I'm betting not. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 28th, 2023 at 10:27am AusGeoff wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 10:08am:
No. Not sure why you would ask me that. From a previous post of mine: "Sure, they're still not the sort of people we want coming here and I'm glad that their asylum seeker applications were rejected." Nobody wants these people here, but there's no reason to tell lies about them. Why can't we just stick to the facts when we discuss these issues? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by John Smith on Nov 28th, 2023 at 11:08am AusGeoff wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 10:08am:
That's a stupid argument. You don't get to choose when our laws apply and when they don't. Would you be happy with some politician deciding if you were guilty of something just because it might get them votes? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Nov 28th, 2023 at 11:11am greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 9:23am:
Quote:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/released-detainees-to-be-fitted-with-ankle-bracelets-from-today-20231118-p5ekyv.html 93 out of 140 odd.... that's a fair majority. ::) Are you saying people who have criminal history are being ankleted for no reason? I'm curious |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Nov 28th, 2023 at 11:14am John Smith wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 9:27am:
"S" makes a word plural. dopey. Who on earth sits in PARLIAMENT? ... Politicians dumbarse. Btw any MP can raise a private members bill ... some of them get passed into law by the other Policticians. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by John Smith on Nov 28th, 2023 at 11:28am Gnads wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 11:14am:
irrelevant. Only parliament has the power to make laws, not politicians. You should try to learn the difference. Gnads wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 11:14am:
and thats all it will ever be until parliament passes it into law |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by aquascoot on Nov 28th, 2023 at 12:58pm John Smith wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 9:27am:
::) ::) ::) hard to believe you wrote that well, actually its easy to believe ::) ::) |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 28th, 2023 at 2:24pm Gnads wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 11:11am:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/released-detainees-to-be-fitted-with-ankle-bracelets-from-today-20231118-p5ekyv.html 93 out of 140 odd.... that's a fair majority. ::) Are you saying people who have criminal history are being ankleted for no reason? I'm curious [/quote] Why change the subject? 93 forced to wear monitors. I'm talking about convicted criminals. Those 93 are wearing monitors because they are people of questionable character and they are walking around in society without a visa. Again, we quite simply do not know how many are convicted criminals. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 28th, 2023 at 2:30pm John Smith wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 11:08am:
It was a rather silly question. I've stated quite clearly that I don't want these people in our country, so why would I want them in my house? It's typical though - whenever someone points out some uncomfortable facts, others immediately think you're defending the bad guys. Again, all I'm doing is pointing out that some people are saying "most of them are criminals" when we actually have no idea how many are convicted criminals. It might be 4, it might be 40, it might be 85, it might be 7. We just don't know at this stage. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Frank on Nov 28th, 2023 at 2:38pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 2:24pm:
Why change the subject? 93 forced to wear monitors. I'm talking about convicted criminals. Those 93 are wearing monitors because they are people of questionable character and they are walking around in society without a visa. Again, we quite simply do not know how many are convicted criminals. [/quote] They are ALL walking around in society without a visa. The High Court essentially ruled that you can be free to walk around Australia if you don't have a visa and can't be deported either, for whatever reason. All they need to rule now is to allow anyone to enter Australia, with or without a visa, or that a visa cannot be denied on character grounds if such a denial is a 'punishment' because only judges can mete out 'punishments'. Then the stage is set for Australia to join Europe and North America in the open borders wheeze, thanks to judges, just like there, not allowing proper border controls. The Great Replacement will be done by 2050. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 28th, 2023 at 2:40pm Frank wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 2:38pm:
They are ALL walking around in society without a visa. [/quote] That's correct, and they should be monitored. However, we have no idea how many of them are convicted criminals (murderers, child sex offenders, terrorists, etc.) |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Frank on Nov 28th, 2023 at 2:43pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 2:40pm:
That's correct, and they should be monitored. However, we have no idea how many of them are convicted criminals (murderers, child sex offenders, terrorists, etc.) [/quote] Why don't we? Why the secrecy? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 28th, 2023 at 2:45pm Frank wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 2:43pm:
Why don't we? Why the secrecy? [/quote] I don't know. Two possibilities: maybe they want to spread fear, or maybe they don't want everyone to panic. At this stage, we just don't know. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 28th, 2023 at 2:53pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 2:45pm:
I don't know. Two possibilities: maybe they want to spread fear, or maybe they don't want everyone to panic. At this stage, we just don't know. [/quote] What I do know for sure though, is this - the media want to spread panic. That is their primary goal. Just found this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziVHNDFxtno |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Frank on Nov 28th, 2023 at 2:54pm
No. The secrecy is due to arse-covering, they don't want to own the debacle.
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Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by SadKangaroo on Nov 28th, 2023 at 3:11pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 10:04am:
Innocent until proven guilty is reserved for their ilk and their ilk alone. People they don't like get no such presumption. If the act of seeking asylum is their crime, then they are not criminals, especially if the Government has accepted their claim. I don't know where this "ermahgerd they're criminals and illegal" is coming from. Well, I do know where it's coming from, but apparently, it's unpopular with the "I'm just telling it how it is" and "facts over feelings" crowd to call a spade a spade here. It gets them triggered. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Frank on Nov 28th, 2023 at 3:19pm SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 3:11pm:
They have no legal right to be in Australia - no visa - and they can't be deported, even the criminals that served their sentences, or were sentenced to death in absentia, like the Malaysian murderer of the Mongolian woman. So they are not innocents. They are at a minimum illegal queue jumpers whose claim for protection has been refused because of bad character but still can't be kept out. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by SadKangaroo on Nov 28th, 2023 at 3:45pm Frank wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 3:19pm:
No legal right? Have they not been granted temporary visas by the Government? Seems like they now have every legal right. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Bias_2012 on Nov 28th, 2023 at 4:15pm SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 3:45pm:
They have limited legal rights, not "every" legal right |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by SadKangaroo on Nov 28th, 2023 at 4:50pm Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 4:15pm:
Technically that's true, but I mean they have every legal right granted to them to be in Australia under the terms of their temporary visa. They aren't "illegal". I'm sure Frank will find another reason to continue hating on them. The "illegal" claim was only ever an excuse and a flimsy one at that. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 28th, 2023 at 4:56pm Frank wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 3:19pm:
There's no queue. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 28th, 2023 at 4:57pm SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 3:11pm:
Sad, but oh so true. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziVHNDFxtno |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by philperth2010 on Nov 28th, 2023 at 10:31pm Gnads wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 7:22am:
So you don't hold the Minister responsible for legislation he enacted because he had incompetent advice....Why is that??? :-? :-? :-? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by The Grappler Truth Teller on Nov 29th, 2023 at 6:56am
Easy - should be shipped out on the first available flight - self-serving claims for asylum twenty years too late not accepted from proven criminals - we don't argue over who's going to receive them - their own country can have them back and do with them as they choose. They can live in the terminal Tom Hanks style for all we care, but in some countries I doubt their secret police would allow that.
Round 'em up -'head 'em up ... and Move 'Em Out! A blackened chopper did draw near, With blackest arseholes in its hold The ones detention couldn't hold.... The court had said, "Just Let 'Em Go"! And so we did, gave 'em the toe. Now then - for all those troublemakers, rioters and dissidents .....Aborassic Park sound good for those who identify ... do their own thing in peace..... if their own majority allows it? Gondwanamo Bay somewhere Offshore for the others... the ones who don't identify as Aboriginal? Homeland at last..... in the company of their own kind.... pure glory ....... |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Bobby. on Nov 29th, 2023 at 7:10am What do other countries do with asylum seekers who are: murderers, rapists, pedophiles and terrorists? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by The Grappler Truth Teller on Nov 29th, 2023 at 7:48am
How stupid is a piece of string?
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Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Nov 29th, 2023 at 8:52am John Smith wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 11:28am:
No it's not .... you bought it up. M embers of P arlaiment are politicians who sit in the Parliament .... I never said once that individuals make laws you did you Clown when saying it was Duttons Law. At the time it obviously passed a Parliamentary vote. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Nov 29th, 2023 at 8:56am greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 2:24pm:
Why change the subject? 93 forced to wear monitors. I'm talking about convicted criminals. Those 93 are wearing monitors because they are people of questionable character and they are walking around in society without a visa. Again, we quite simply do not know how many are convicted criminals. [/quote] Why are they of questionable character? Would have nothing to do with previous criminal convictions would it? Are you privvy to their documentation? or do you think they clapped leg bracelets on just for the hell of it? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Nov 29th, 2023 at 9:00am SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 4:50pm:
They have no visas ... temporary or otherwise. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Nov 29th, 2023 at 9:04am philperth2010 wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 10:31pm:
It was only enacted after it passed Parliament ..no? Who said at the time his advice was incompetent? Why has the High Court taken 8 years since to come up with this ruling? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by SadKangaroo on Nov 29th, 2023 at 9:56am Gnads wrote on Nov 29th, 2023 at 9:00am:
Are we even talking about the same thing? Around 800 Palestinians and more than 1,700 Israeli citizens have been granted temporary visas. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Frank on Nov 29th, 2023 at 10:15am
So, this is a battle about two valid competing priorities. Keeping the community safe versus upholding fundamental constitutional principle. For any government, the political and practical answer will be the same. Between them, many of the detainees released under the recent ruling run the gamut of criminal behaviour: from homicide to rape to child abuse. There is no reason to assume they will not offend again.
The solution is obvious. If their own country will accept them back, deport them. If not, lock them up until some other eccentrically generous nation takes them in. If that never happens, they stay in jail: Quod erat demonstrandum. It would be hard to find many “ordinary” Australians who would disagree with this logic. But the High Court takes a different, more profound and rather more complex view. Unless penal sanction is the preserve of the courts, politicians will start punishing us. Ministers will put journalists in jail – potentially appealing – and administrative officers (level 4) will confiscate our property. .... The implications of the court’s decision go much wider than international detainees. There are plenty of laws that lock up the odd monster at executive behest, with minimal judicial involvement. Most are state laws, not federal, but the court has itched to expand its reach. The immediate question is, what can the Albanese government do? The idea it should have had a replacement law in its back pocket is risible. This would have been a virtual admission that the existing law was invalid. The current regime of ankle bracelets, curfews and leg irons also is dubious. First, it is far less effective than detention. But, even more problematically, parts of the court’s decision may suggest even these restrictions are punishments, also to be struck down. The task for Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus and his luckless advisers is to attempt to draft a law that keeps dangerous entrants off the streets without outraging the High Court. But because the court has refused to endorse any form of “limbo” detention without a foreseeable end, this will be extremely difficult. Presumably, Canberra’s legal brainboxes will be playing around with possibilities that are as administratively effective as possible in pushing dangerous foreign nationals towards captivity but involves clear judicial supervision at crucial points in the process. In the light of the court’s unanimous decision, this is a task from hell. One further problem is that no solution can involve judicial officers in any mere executive process because that too is verboten under the separation of powers. This is the catch-22 of Australian constitutional law. Several states have managed to create effective “dangerous offenders” legislation, keeping supposed monsters caged, but only under judicial oversight. I remember working on this in Victoria as crown counsel for the Kennett government. It was an exhausting process, balancing community safety with constitutional liberty. Anthony Albanese will be desperate to find a way through the High Court’s decision that is both practical and passes constitutional examination. If he can, he will squeeze through the opening, bruised but intact. If he cannot, he has a judicial Christmas present leaving him unwittingly responsible for a politically flammable ripple of nasty offenders through the community. No one will blame the High Court, everyone will blame him, and it is not something that can be regifted. Greg Craven is a constitutional lawyer and former vice-chancellor of Australian Catholic University. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 29th, 2023 at 10:48am Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2023 at 10:15am:
You know that when Australian-born citizens finish serving their time for the crimes they've committed, they're released back into society - yeah? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Frank on Nov 29th, 2023 at 11:30am greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 29th, 2023 at 10:48am:
Not if they are subject to preventative detention. And these illegals are not citizens. So bugger orf, stupid creep. Oh, and stop taking everything out of context, ya dirty fapper. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 29th, 2023 at 11:49am Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2023 at 11:30am:
Australian-born citizens, who have finished serving their time for the crimes they've committed, are released back into society. Murderers, child sex offenders, etc. are released from our prisons every week. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by AusGeoff on Nov 29th, 2023 at 1:13pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28th, 2023 at 10:27am:
Well, mainly because you said "nobody in authority has stated that most of them are convicted criminals" and... "why some people are running with that lie". Why then would you refuse to have one of these people living next door to you Greg? NIMBY much? ;) i |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Frank on Nov 29th, 2023 at 1:15pm
In paragraph 63 of the reasons for its ruling, it is revealed an agreed statement of facts between the government and the solicitors for the plaintiff – the child sex abuser known as NZYQ.
The concession given by the government on May 30 this year, was that the plaintiff could not be removed from Australia and there was no prospect of the plaintiff being removed in the foreseeable future. This admission by Immigration Minister Andrew Giles made the High Court’s decision inevitable. It effectively handed the issue of indefinite detention to the courts to decide on the basis that the government had conceded that the basis on which it is founded could not be fulfilled in this case. The government clearly knew it had stuffed up. In paragraph 66, it is further revealed that on August 29 O’Neill went on a mad rush to try and deport NZYQ by contacting Australia’s closest allies – Five Eyes partners of the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand. Unsurprisingly, none of them were interested in taking a convicted sex offender. Why would they? By then it was all too late. The question the government refuses to answer is whether O’Neill knew in the first place or was dispatched to try and clean up Giles’ mess. The Opposition immigration spokesman Dan Tehan suggests that the admission that NZYQ could never be deported should never have been made in the first place by the government. It made a rod for its own back. There can be no doubt that this is a monumental stuff up at a senior Ministerial level. SIMON BENSON Another explained https://theconversation.com/high-court-reasons-on-immigration-ruling-pave-way-for-further-legislation-218699 How much more justifiable the voice to parliament and executive would have been!! |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Nov 29th, 2023 at 7:03pm SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 29th, 2023 at 9:56am:
So these are the people released from detention by the High Court? ::) |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Nov 29th, 2023 at 7:05pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 29th, 2023 at 10:48am:
You know you've been told several times that is irrelevant...yeah? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Nov 29th, 2023 at 7:06pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 29th, 2023 at 11:49am:
Irrelevant.. Peccarwood. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 29th, 2023 at 7:17pm Gnads wrote on Nov 29th, 2023 at 7:06pm:
It's entirely relevant. https://youtu.be/ziVHNDFxtno |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 29th, 2023 at 7:19pm AusGeoff wrote on Nov 29th, 2023 at 1:13pm:
Your reply makes no sense. I was merely stating a fact: nobody in authority has stated that most of them are convicted criminals. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Frank on Nov 29th, 2023 at 8:43pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 29th, 2023 at 11:49am:
These are not citizens. They are not even visa holders. They are scum nobody wants. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by John Smith on Nov 29th, 2023 at 9:09pm Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2023 at 8:43pm:
Neither are you ::) |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 29th, 2023 at 9:13pm Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2023 at 8:43pm:
Yes. That's the only difference. So why aren't you concerned about Australian-born citizens, who have served their time for murder etc., being released from prison? I'm curious. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by The Grappler Truth Teller on Nov 29th, 2023 at 9:33pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 29th, 2023 at 9:13pm:
Those are being deported back to their own country, same as these guys.... and under strict conditions in most cases. You have to laugh - serial sex assaulter out on whatever under strict conditions meets a woman - she goes home with him, they spend the night - next morning she 'notices' he is wearing an ankle bracelet.... asks why. This was on ACA - I laughed for about ten minutes... you have got to be shitting me.... oh - THAT jelly doughnut? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 29th, 2023 at 9:46pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 29th, 2023 at 9:33pm:
No. White Australians (with white Australian parents & grandparents who were all born in this country) who have been convicted of murder, or whatever, are released into society once they've served their term. Murderers. Child sex offenders. Kidnappers. Terrorists. etc. Why doesn't this concern Frank and his fellow rapist-loving buddies? I'm curious. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Frank on Nov 29th, 2023 at 10:35pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 29th, 2023 at 9:46pm:
It does. I do favour the death penalty. But the release of illegal foreigners into society that is not theirs and in which they have no right to be is the current crisis for the Albo government due to the High Court decision and the government inability to keep people who have no right to be in Australia out of Australia. That is a concern, different to what to do with people who do have the right to be in Australia. Even a compulsive fapper and creepy liar like you should be able perceive that difference. But, of course, being the creepy, dishonest onanist you are, you pretend otherwise. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by The Grappler Truth Teller on Nov 30th, 2023 at 8:59am
I ask again - how stupid is a piece of string?
White Australians (with white Australian parents & grandparents who were all born in this country) who have been convicted of murder, or whatever, are released into society once they've served their term. Yes - they are being deported direct from prison back into their homeland community.... no problem-o, Cochise.... maybe you should go for the Zen of Pie ... So - we deport criminals direct from prison back into their homeland community... again - no problem-o, Slick.... Crow Pie sounds right up your alley .... A blackened chopper drew right near And threw its load out on the ground And didn't care if they weren't found The locals found them all next day And let the cops take them away And when the Mullah judged them all He promptly sent them to the wall. "... but... but.... what about the woman killer one?" "Oh - and punish the woman for talking back and for not "listening" when she's told - it's a Mayo thing from the West...." (ooooOOOOOOHHH!!! |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 30th, 2023 at 10:31am Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2023 at 10:35pm:
Well, of course you do. The most extreme, violent, cowardly actions are what please conservatives and sociopaths the most. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by The Grappler Truth Teller on Nov 30th, 2023 at 9:40pm
Being released into your own country is the same as being deported back to your own country - the key is 'own country' - there is no difference in treatment.... unless you count a free ride overseas and not having to wear an ankle bracelet or have other restrictions place on you by our government ... as being treated differently.
I prefer the Black Chopper method... Now let me make this very clear, We do not need these bastards here And so we boot them off the pier.... And if they so much as make a fuss We'll bloody boot them 'neath a bus, Or demonstrate just how and where They can be fallen down the stair...... No, we don't want those mongrels here, So send them back among their peers And let their law just take its course, We have no right to call it coarse If they are using excess force, Like dragging them behind a horse.... .... coming soon to GrapplerTV ... the inclusive remake of CHOPPER - The Story of Mark 'Chopper' Reid ..... starring Will Smith as Chopper.... Sherelyn Fenn as the gangster Gangitano...... Ellen deGeneris as the Police Commissioner ... Episode One - Deportation With Intent .................... |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by SadKangaroo on Dec 1st, 2023 at 8:01am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 30th, 2023 at 9:40pm:
Kinda hard to take a stance against murder when you openly advocate for murdering non-white Australians, don't you think? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Frank on Dec 1st, 2023 at 10:04am Gnads wrote on Nov 27th, 2023 at 7:01am:
Operation Sovereign Borders and Australian Border Force officials are on high alert for people smuggling ventures to Australia amid a rush of asylum seekers into Indonesia and surge in illegal maritime activity across South-East Asia. Joint Agency Taskforce OSB has ramped up communications campaigns and operations in the region following the High Court ruling that asylum seekers without prospect of being settled elsewhere – including high-risk offenders – can no longer be held in indefinite detention. There is heightened activity among Rohingya, Bangladeshi, Afghan and Pakistani asylum seekers, whom regional authorities fear are being targeted by people smugglers operating out of Indonesia and neighbouring countries. There have been 11 known people smuggling ventures to Australia since May last year, including one boat intercepted the day before the federal election. Less than 24 hours after the 12 illegal maritime arrivals were apprehended in WA, Indonesian police stopped a group of Bangladeshi nationals from boarding a boat after they reportedly paid a people smuggler $10,000 each to travel from the coastal town of Citepus to nearby Christmas Island. The Sydney Morning Herald said the Bangladeshi boat organiser, married to an Indonesian, is linked to a wider smuggling syndicate. Indonesian police and fishermen on the weekend launched patrols in seas off the country’s western province in response to the arrival of almost 1100 Rohingya asylum seekers in recent weeks. Rohingyas, a persecuted Muslim ethnic minority group in Myanmar, travel by boat to Indonesia or Malaysia from refugee camps in Bangladesh. Rear Admiral Jones has released videos in the region in recent days and weeks warning that those who travel illegally by boat to Australia “have zero chance of success”. “The recent High Court of Australia decision does not change Australia’s tough border protection policies. People smugglers will spread lies about this decision in an attempt to take your money, put your life at risk and offer you a futile journey in return,” Rear Admiral Jones said in the OSB video. “Let me be clear: Anyone, anywhere who attempts to illegally migrate to Australia by boat will be stopped, returned to their country of origin or point of departure, or transferred to a regional processing country. “You will never settle in Australia. Australia’s border and defence personnel are constantly working. Our borders are watched and every vessel is closely monitored, all day, every day. You have zero chance of success.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/operation-sovereign-borders-australian-border-force-on-high-alert-as-people-smugglers-target-australia/news-story/5b8403061fa8d692d173817080efe704 The Greens and Labor Left - or the High Court - will undermine and destroy OSB. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Dec 1st, 2023 at 10:17am greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 29th, 2023 at 9:13pm:
So you think that therefore excuses the release of non citizen murderers & child sex offenders into the community... time served or not? You're mad. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Frank on Dec 1st, 2023 at 10:18am
Underworld figure Sam Ibrahim flown to Western Australia ahead of deportation to Lebanon
Oct 30, 2020 Sam Ibrahim: NSW bikie lands in Sydney after release from immigration detention in Perth Wed, 29 November 2023 12:33PM Can ANY criminals be deported from Australia? (Other than Kiwis and Europeans) |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Dec 1st, 2023 at 10:19am greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 29th, 2023 at 9:46pm:
Ahhh the demon white people again Peccar.... you're bloody hopeless & it's irrelevant |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 1st, 2023 at 10:54am Gnads wrote on Dec 1st, 2023 at 10:19am:
It's entirely relevant. You're only concerned about these people being released because they're not white Aussies. It's Racism 101. White Australian criminals are released every day, and not a word is said about it. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Bobby. on Dec 1st, 2023 at 11:15am greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 1st, 2023 at 10:54am:
dear Greggy, What do other countries do with asylum seekers who are: murderers, rapists, pedophiles and terrorists? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by SadKangaroo on Dec 1st, 2023 at 11:30am Bobby. wrote on Dec 1st, 2023 at 11:15am:
Like for like, they must be signatories to the UNHCR refugee convention. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Bobby. on Dec 1st, 2023 at 11:44am SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 1st, 2023 at 11:30am:
And the result? Did you guess that he's a Muslim? No picture anywhere - just the name FYBR. >:( https://nybreaking.com/afghan-refugee-asked-three-boys-for-sex-after-being-released-from-immigration-detention/ Afghan refugee asked three boys for sex after being released from immigration detention Australia By William Last updated Nov 23, 2023 FYBR served more than nine months in prison and was then transferred to immigration detention, where he spent the next seven years. The photo shows Villawood detention center in Sydney’s west FYBR applied for a safe haven visa as he faced persecution due to his Hazara ethnicity and Shia Muslim religion, but was denied because he did not meet the character test. The Administrative Appeals Tribunal again rejected FYBR when it attempted to overturn that decision. “FYBR knows that what he did in Australia was unacceptable because of the consequences of his actions for him, but he does not understand why his actions were wrong,” it said. ‘He seemed to think his behavior was acceptable because he didn’t touch his victims. ‘The tribunal concludes from his evidence that at the material time he believed that the freedom available in Australia, compared to the restrictions on his conduct in Pakistan, enabled him to solicit minors to satisfy his sexual desires.’ The tribunal rejected FYBR’s claim that he was now aware of Australian law and spent every night reading a code of conduct provided to him while in detention. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by SadKangaroo on Dec 1st, 2023 at 12:21pm Bobby. wrote on Dec 1st, 2023 at 11:44am:
Heh, so you weren't even interested in someone answer your question, you had your post already written ready to send and you couldn't even wait for someone to reply to you... |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Bias_2012 on Dec 1st, 2023 at 12:42pm
The Labor party is to blame for this mess, they should have responded to the public opinion polls that showed 85% of those surveyed wanted the boats stopped, but they refused and just let the boats keep coming
Public opinion finally won out after years of discontentment, leaving us wondering why the half-brain Labor party allowed the boats to keep coming It's because they only think with their right side cerebral hemisphere, emotion etc. The other hemisphere in their heads is shriveling up and wasting away ... use it or lose it! The future holds a big challenge for Australia, and that is how politicians can put their full brains into gear and work out how to deport undesirables in spite of countries' of origin refusing to take them back. There has to be a UN clause that says they have to, whether they want to or not There is little point in yelling in our ears "We'll keep the community safe" if deportation is not an option for non citizen undesirables It's a riddle we've got to solve |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Frank on Dec 1st, 2023 at 12:51pm greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 1st, 2023 at 10:54am:
A warning should be sent to farmers to make sure all nanny goat communities are kept safe in light of the High Court decision. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 1st, 2023 at 3:21pm Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 1st, 2023 at 12:42pm:
Most of the asylum seekers in this country came by plane. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Bobby. on Dec 1st, 2023 at 4:18pm
We need some wog cops:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CvDQYzoS3g |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Dec 2nd, 2023 at 8:23am greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 1st, 2023 at 10:54am:
Rubbish .... it's because they are undesirable non citizens who should have already been deported. That's relevant - their skin colour is not... you're the one who now brings the race card into it..... because that's all you do. White Australian criminals get released - after they've served their time ..... because they are Australians. We have to deal with our own criminals ..... not the rest of the worlds. Stop being ridiculous. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by John Smith on Dec 2nd, 2023 at 8:40am Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 1st, 2023 at 12:42pm:
yeah, it's their fault the libtards passed illegal laws :D :D :D you moron |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by SadKangaroo on Dec 2nd, 2023 at 10:49am Bobby. wrote on Dec 1st, 2023 at 11:44am:
You tell me, you asked like you already had the answer. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Frank on Dec 2nd, 2023 at 11:33am greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 29th, 2023 at 9:13pm:
This is not their country and they no right to be here. Therefore they should not be let loose here. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by John Smith on Dec 2nd, 2023 at 12:20pm Frank wrote on Dec 2nd, 2023 at 11:33am:
This is not your country so no one cares what you think. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Bias_2012 on Dec 2nd, 2023 at 1:21pm John Smith wrote on Dec 2nd, 2023 at 8:40am:
Sure, but that was after the Labor party ignored public opinion which was in favor of stopping the boats. The Labor party let the boats keep coming and that's why they are to blame |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Frank on Dec 2nd, 2023 at 1:22pm John Smith wrote on Dec 2nd, 2023 at 12:20pm:
It is my country and the truth of what said is true not because I said it. Millions of other Australians think the same. That is why it is a significant problem for Albo. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by The Grappler Truth Teller on Dec 2nd, 2023 at 8:37pm Frank wrote on Dec 2nd, 2023 at 1:22pm:
Smith thinks the Indians and Chinese have no place here.... if you are not Farce Nations you have no right at all to invade their property... Easy answer to foreign nationals who commit crime - within one week of their release from prison, they are on the plane back home - no ifs or buts or maybes. Any and all applications for asylum etc from known criminals above a set level rejected without discussion. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gordon on Dec 4th, 2023 at 8:02pm
Whoever thought letting this guy out needs to charged as an enemy of the state, and sued to the point of bankruptcy.
Man released from immigration detention after High Court ruling charged with indecent assault A man released from immigration detention as a result of the High Court's ruling on indefinite detention has faced an Adelaide court charged with two counts of indecent assault. Aliyawar Yawari appeared in the Adelaide Magistrates Court on Monday, three weeks after he was released from Yongah Hill Immigration Detention Centre in Western Australia. He has previously been accused of attacking three women and was convicted of assault in 2016. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-04/man-immigration-detention-high-court-charged-indecent-assault/103187916 |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gordon on Dec 4th, 2023 at 8:03pm
"I understand that two detainees — one in NSW and another in SA — have recently been charged and one individual remains in police custody," Senator Wong said.
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Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by SadKangaroo on Dec 5th, 2023 at 9:13am
Did you want Labor to dissolve the High Court and usher in the reign of Dictator Albo?
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Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Dec 5th, 2023 at 9:36am SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 5th, 2023 at 9:13am:
ridiculous response since when has the High Court been a "law" unto itself? If the decisions/rulings they make are going to impact the running of the Govt of the Day, don't you think they should work in with & give that Govt(whatever party) a chance to make relevant plans to deal with the fall out of their rulings? They have in the past. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by John Smith on Dec 5th, 2023 at 7:52pm Quote:
Since federation. You really should make an effort to learn how our system of government works ::) |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Dec 5th, 2023 at 7:58pm John Smith wrote on Dec 5th, 2023 at 7:52pm:
Rubbish. It's not a law unto itself you putz. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Bobby. on Dec 5th, 2023 at 8:28pm Gordon wrote on Dec 4th, 2023 at 8:02pm:
It will only happen if we ever have a People's Court just like the French Revolution. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by John Smith on Dec 5th, 2023 at 8:29pm Gnads wrote on Dec 5th, 2023 at 7:58pm:
You're an idiot. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by greggerypeccary on Dec 5th, 2023 at 8:41pm Gnads wrote on Dec 5th, 2023 at 9:36am:
In 1979 the High Court was given the power to administer its own affairs by the passage of the High Court of Australia Act 1979. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Ja-Sindarin on Dec 5th, 2023 at 8:49pm John Smith wrote on Dec 5th, 2023 at 8:29pm:
You can tell Smith couldn't write an essay even if he was given an instruction book on how to. ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Dec 6th, 2023 at 6:14am John Smith wrote on Dec 5th, 2023 at 8:29pm:
And you're a phuckwit. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Dec 6th, 2023 at 6:18am greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 5th, 2023 at 8:41pm:
There are plenty of Govt depts that administer their own affairs. That does not make them a "law" unto themselves. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Frank on Dec 6th, 2023 at 8:37am The HC decision did NOT order the release of 140 illegal convicted criminals without visas due to their bad character. It ordered the release of ONE. https://eresources.hcourt.gov.au/showCase/2023/HCA/37 Immigration Minister Giles was a senior lawyer acting against the government for the Tampa pirates. He was secretary of the Socialist Left in Victoria. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our Home Affairs minstrel? Post by Frank on Dec 7th, 2023 at 4:16pm
In a bizarre outburst in parliament last week, O’Neil repeatedly labelled Dutton a “protector of paedophiles” over the Coalition’s stance. This, from someone who failed to prepare a legislative contingency plan in the lead-up to the High Court’s decision, resulting in sex offenders and other high-risk criminals being dumped en masse and unmonitored in the community.
As for the “protector of paedophiles” label, that is twisted and risible. If we are to extend O’Neil’s fallacious reasoning, NZYQ’s legal representatives are similarly culpable for appealing for their client’s release. So too is the full bench of the High Court for deciding as it did. Play your infantile blame game to the end, Minister, and you will discover it was another woefully inept Labor government that allowed NZYQ to arrive in Australia by boat in 2012. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/anthony-albanese-promised-a-culture-change-in-politics-where-is-it/news-story/a4a8e69e68f4310fff4bce5969f18db2 (H/t Nemo for pic) |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by John Smith on Dec 7th, 2023 at 4:39pm Gnads wrote on Dec 6th, 2023 at 6:18am:
And ALL of them are subject to the high courts rulings |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by The Grappler Truth Teller on Dec 7th, 2023 at 7:09pm
How stupid is a length of whale turd?
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Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Frank on Dec 8th, 2023 at 4:53pm
LONDON (AP) — A judge at Britain’s High Court ruled Wednesday that life support for a terminally ill 8-month-old baby should be withdrawn in a hospice or hospital, despite efforts by the infant’s parents and the Italian government to transport her to Italy for further treatment.
The parents of baby Indi Gregory, who has a rare metabolic disorder known as mitochondrial disease, have fought legal battles in a bid to continue life support for their child. But a judge has ruled that doctors can lawfully limit life-supporting invasive treatment, because continuing with the treatment would not be in the child’s best interests. The legal tussle is the latest in a series of similar cases in Britain that saw doctors and parents spar over the treatment of terminally ill children and the respective rights and responsibilities of parents and medical professionals. ... Justice Peel has said his decision was based on findings that Indi was critically ill, had no prospect of improvement and an “extremely limited quality of life,” combined with evidence that she experienced frequent pain as a result of her treatment. His decision has not changed despite offers from the Italian government this week to airlift Indi to the Vatican hospital and pay for any treatment in Italy. The Italian government has also granted Indi citizenship to help facilitate her transport and treatment. Italian Premier Giorgia Meloni said Monday she would “do what I can do to defend (Indi’s) life” and “defend the right of her mamma and papa to do all that they can for her.” https://apnews.com/article/indi-gregory-uk-italy-ruling-0caecf4c18336004d4e3b99cfff9c327 Ok, no more life support on the NHS but they wouldn't let the parents take the baby to Italy or home. Hideous. |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by John Smith on Dec 8th, 2023 at 6:14pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 7th, 2023 at 7:09pm:
not as stupid as you :D |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by The Grappler Truth Teller on Dec 8th, 2023 at 6:57pm John Smith wrote on Dec 8th, 2023 at 6:14pm:
**falls about laughing** |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Dec 21st, 2023 at 8:21am greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 29th, 2023 at 9:46pm:
Curiosity killed the cat... yeah? You waffle on about Aussie crims being released into society after serving "their time" everyday.. & support a High Court ruling that these undesirable illegal aliens can not be held in detention indefinitely .....yes? So why is this Aussie double axe murderer not being given his freedom after 24 years in jail? 24 years .... a lot longer than these illegal alien criminals have been in detention. Quote:
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Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Frank on Feb 15th, 2024 at 6:57am
Giles has copped the full brunt of Coalition attacks over the government’s collective failure in releasing 149 dangerous non-citizens, including seven murderers and 37 sex offenders and pedophiles.
After winning the 2022 election, the Prime Minister installed two inexperienced parliamentarians as his Home Affairs and Immigration ministers instead of making the tough call and appointing MPs more suited to the roles. Giles, a prominent Left-faction powerbroker, led the fight alongside Albanese at the 2015 ALP national conference to reject the Coalition’s boat turnback policy and represented refugees stranded aboard the MV Tampa. Appointing Giles as Immigration Minister was akin to appointing Barnaby Joyce as minister for women. The fit was never right. Giles’ ideology and lack of ministerial experience have made him the political rabbit in Peter Dutton’s headlights. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/leaders-in-standoff-on-frontbench-reshuffles/news-story/31cb6143e6877bcc38347c4aa8033959 |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Gnads on Feb 15th, 2024 at 7:24am
The High Court ruling was made in regards one case.
So this stupid govt. released 149 of the criminal undesirable bastards and they've been reoffending ever since. Quote:
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Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Feb 15th, 2024 at 8:40am
Give 'em a fair hearing, a fair decision and a fair extradition..............
Bobby? When you extradite a man you should look him in the face... No wonder people come here and think it's wide open for any criminal activity... instant extradition should be the order of the day for serious crime and that includes ripping off the NDIS or home caring for children or funding for schools ... A hyena never changes its spots... Australia - The Stupid Country ... stop taking them all in... look what you've done to the joint.... dividie tells us that poverty breeds lice .. sorry... crime... why are we bringing in people riddled with crime and lice? They are sprayed real clean at Tullamarine for lice ... why aren't they sprayed for crime... i.e. sprayed back to their 'old country'? |
Title: Re: How stupid is our High Court & our Politicians? Post by Frank on Apr 10th, 2024 at 8:50am
NDIS for predator Wayne Wilmot in Janine Balding killing
One of the country’s worst serial sex offenders, who was involved in the brutal 1980s abduction, rape and murder of Janine Balding, is set to be released from custody with the help of an NDIS support package. Wayne Wilmot, a remorseless criminal with psychopathic traits who poses a “significant risk” of carrying out further attacks on women, will be freed under tight supervision and electronic monitoring. The NSW Supreme Court heard he had obtained NDIS support including eight hours of help each week with daily life, and 16 hours of weekly assistance with “economic and community participation” along with access to behaviour and health support professionals. This is despite past treatment and rehabilitation efforts in prison that had resulted in “no meaningful gains’’ because Wilmot, now aged in his early 50s, has been resistant to help. It is unclear how NDIS support workers would be protected and the case will only add to pressure on the Albanese government over violent criminals accessing the disability scheme. The Australian has recently reported that Labor has ordered the National Disability Insurance Agency to consider changing protocols to ban participants with a history of violent crimes from self-managing their plans following revelations that another rapist had been using his plan to seek out young fit female support workers. In the Wilmot case, Justice Helen Wilson noted a forensic psychologist’s report that found he had little or no capacity to regulate his own conduct and had no concern or empathy for others. He felt entitled to “simply take whatever he wants’’ and was “supportive of sexual violence towards women, deeming them to deserve sexual violence depending upon their clothing, level of intoxication, or perceived permissiveness”, the court heard. The psychologist concluded he was at high risk of committing further violent offences and posed a “well above average” risk of sexual reoffending. At age 15, Wilmot was involved with four others in the abduction of Balding. While the court found he did not take part in her murder, he was convicted of kidnapping and raping the 20-year-old bank teller, who was snatched outside a Sydney railway station in 1988 in a crime that stained the nation. (The prosecution did not allege Wilmot raped her, but he was held liable due to his participation in the criminal enterprise.) Wilmot was released on parole in 1996 but attacked another four women before he was imprisoned again in 1998. In a prior judgment, Justice Julia Lonergan noted that the attacks were brazen and in public. “He does not seem to care about being caught,” Justice Lonergan said. “The attacks are highly distressing and degrading and cause long-term harm to victims.” “Supervision will be at a high level, with the defendant required to adhere to a schedule of movements, observe a curfew (9pm to 6am), and wear an electronic monitoring device,’’ Justice Wilson said. NSW Corrective Services have been preparing Wilmot for his eventual release into the community by arranging supervised accommodation, facilitating work readiness and familiarising him with community expectations. The court heard last year that authorities were having trouble finding any supervised accommodation services that would have him. In jail he has been designated an extreme high-security prisoner. Justice Wilson said that despite the level of assistance provided to Wilmot, significant concerns remained. “He has no insight into the risk he poses to others, and refused to acknowledge a need for risk management strategies,” the judge said. .... In 1999 a psychiatrist asked Wilmot if he thought it was all right to sexually assault a woman. He replied: “You’re looking at it in the law’s kind of way. In the law’s way it wouldn’t be right, but if you’ve had a hard time with women growing up, you’d probably think in your own mind it was all right.” Psychiatric testing put his IQ at 74, below average, and he was found to have a severe personality disorder with psychopathic traits. “It is unclear what specifically drives his sexual offending although the nature of his offending suggests that he may experience sexual arousal in response to the pain or suffering of others,’’ according to one psychiatric assessment. On another occasion he was asked to comment about the people who had been affected by his offences. He replied: “Well in my case, all three women are victims, and also me because I have realised that I have a problem with women by attacking them. And also thinking of them in a sexual nature. So I am a victim of my past which has led me to be where I am today and trying to get help from my problems so there will be no more victims.’’ https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/ndis-for-predator-wayne-wilmot-in-janine-balding-killing/news-story/06c51efff43c4a50df885b5a4839f5a4 |
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