Erin Molan unleashes on South Australian government for removing term 'Anzac Day' from its annual public holidays list
Sky News Australia host Erin Molan has put the spotlight on the South Australian government after the controversial decision to remove reference to ANZAC Day from its official holiday Act.


The South Australian government passed the Public Holidays Act 2023 on Thursday and replaces the Holidays Act 1910, effectively removing the mention of Anzac Day, which will now be referred to as "25 April", a day "fixed as a public holiday".

Molan started the show by addressing the state's Premier Peter Malinauskas, who said this year: "South Australia is the Defence State, I think we can all agree. We always have been and always will be. It is an honour and a privilege that we do not take lightly."

The television host fired up after airing the clip of the South Australian leader's remark, saying: "Don't you dare touch Anzac Day. Over my dead body."

"This is how those who seek to change our way of life, influence our values, demonise our history and threaten our very existence begin their campaigns," Molan said.  "Little innocuous actions that seemingly don't matter - actually do."

Her late father Jim Molan was a decorated former major general who retired from the army in 2008 before turning to politics. He died this year after a battle with cancer.

The state government's advertising to encourage veterans to move to Adelaide to "work on these big and exciting defence projects" was scrutinised by a dubious Molan who said they are leaving the Australian Defence Force "in droves".

"Morale has never been lower in this country amongst our current and former servicemen and women than it is right now," she said.

"Many of them already feel unappreciated, undervalued and even despised in some quarters.

"These are the people, if you need reminding, who defend our nation from all the evil in the world. And look at the Middle East, look at Europe, look north - there's a hell of a lot of evil in the world."


"It's our annual reminder of the sacrifices made to keep us all safe. The lives given in our honour. And the least we can do is write it on a bloody calendar," she said.

"Our Defence Force doesn't need another reason to think this country is ashamed of them."
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/erin-molan-unleashes-on-south-australian-government-for-removing-term-anzac-day-from-its-annual-public-holidays-list/news-story/fcffcbba07462d0f7fbf813c3face6d7

She is dead right, except that this is not the beginning.  This is the end of the beginning - newspeak.

Molan is a fool.  ANZAC Day continues to be observed and will continue to be observed in Adelaide.  She is alarmed at nothing.   She like her father is being stupid.  I have met Jim Molan at a conference where he was the keynote speaker.  He didn't deserve the honour, even then, seeking a political career.  Skynews deserves Molan as a journalist/presenter.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Australian Soldiers, like Brian are nothing more than American Mercenaries (Sardaukhar) doing the dirty on the International Community for America and its dirty dealings.
So much for Vietnam.
So much for Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq.
So much for murdering Aghans armed with sandles in Afghanistan.

Nobody goes to their boring Anzac Day moans of blaming the British for their failings.

Nothing to be proud of an Institution that enslaves Civilians to die for their inabilities to do the job themselves.

Matty/Karnal was a brave soldier in Vietnam.

He goes to every ANZAC service.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2023 at 5:25pm:

ANZAC Day continues to be observed and will continue to be observed in Adelaide.

So why then, was the wording "ANZAC DAY" removed from the official 25th April public holiday?

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2023 at 5:25pm:

Molan is a fool.  ANZAC Day continues to be observed and will continue to be observed in Adelaide.  She is alarmed at nothing.   She like her father is being stupid.  I have met Jim Molan at a conference where he was the keynote speaker.  He didn't deserve the honour, even then, seeking a political career.  Skynews deserves Molan as a journalist/presenter.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

He was, on every count, a better man than you, vain old dribbling cymbal player.

For you, fuuukwit par excellence,  to side with the erasure of Anzac Day from the calendar and its significance demonstrates, if any more demonstration was really needed, just what a morally bankrupt, spineless deformed worm you are as a matter of personal policy.

And you "moderate" the Defence board. It just shows what a stupid, idiotic 'system' of moderation we have here when a spineless fuuuuckwit like you is given the keys to Defence.

FUUUCK knows what Fd was "thinking" when he did that - and then he started your very own 'spineless apologist" thread, shitting on your morally deformed baseness. You are a spineless apologist worm - but good enough to moderate the Defence board.

Fd's idea of diversity. Or something. He tries to be more principled than you - every honourable man does - but he is not quite managing it.

ANZAC Day: A Celebration of the Military Industry enslaving Civilians to die for their incompetence and weakness to breed among its own ranks.

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2023 at 7:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 5:25pm: ANZAC Day continues to be observed and will continue to be observed in Adelaide. So why then, was the wording "ANZAC DAY" removed from the official 25th April public holiday?

Why not? Everybody knows what happens on the 25th April, Bias.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Is it true the ADF are all Gay?
The reason why they don't want women in the armed forces.

Frank wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2023 at 8:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 5:25pm: Molan is a fool.  ANZAC Day continues to be observed and will continue to be observed in Adelaide.  She is alarmed at nothing.   She like her father is being stupid.  I have met Jim Molan at a conference where he was the keynote speaker.  He didn't deserve the honour, even then, seeking a political career.  Skynews deserves Molan as a journalist/presenter.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) He was, on every count, a better man than you, vain old dribbling cymbal player.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, more ad huminem insults, Soren?  You for someone who claims he wants to seriously wants to discuss issues, you always resort with ad huminem insults.  Why?  Does it make you feel better?  Are you really that childish?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Jim Molan may have been a better man than me, I have no idea, he however stood for the Tory Party and that means he has no regard for his fellow man, like you, which is why you admire him so much, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


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For you, fuuukwit par excellence,  to side with the erasure of Anzac Day from the calendar and its significance demonstrates, if any more demonstration was really needed, just what a morally bankrupt, spineless deformed worm you are as a matter of personal policy.

We have seen only the erasure of the name from legislation, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)


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And you "moderate" the Defence board. It just shows what a stupid, idiotic 'system' of moderation we have here when a spineless fuuuuckwit like you is given the keys to Defence.

*SIGH* more ad huminem insults? Still smarting that you were banned because you refused to obey the rules?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)


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FUUUCK knows what Fd was "thinking" when he did that - and then he started your very own 'spineless apologist" thread, shitting on your morally deformed baseness. You are a spineless apologist worm - but good enough to moderate the Defence board. Fd's idea of diversity. Or something. He tries to be more principled than you - every honourable man does - but he is not quite managing it.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  I won an election from amongst the members, Soren.  Remember?  Such foolishness.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Jasin wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2023 at 9:44pm:

Is it true the ADF are all Gay? The reason why they don't want women in the armed forces.

I attended an Army reunion today, Jasin.  There were plenty of female members there.  I think they were tougher than you are.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2023 at 9:40pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 7:40pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 5:25pm: ANZAC Day continues to be observed and will continue to be observed in Adelaide. So why then, was the wording "ANZAC DAY" removed from the official 25th April public holiday? Why not? Everybody knows what happens on the 25th April, Bias.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

So you don't know why they removed it, and couldn't give a stuff, you just accept whatever the Labor party does, is that it?

Or you know why they removed it, but you're far too cowardly to say why

I'll tell you why they shouldn't have removed it ... it's ANZAC day ... and future generations will be asking: "Why doesn't the SA govt recognize it as such?"

I'm surprised you're so jaded and nonchalant about it, since you've got threads about remembering diggers etc

It appears you're not even a half-brain lefty, seems both your cerebral hemispheres are wasting away, as happens to two faced cowards like you

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2023 at 12:27am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 9:40pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 7:40pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 5:25pm: ANZAC Day continues to be observed and will continue to be observed in Adelaide. So why then, was the wording "ANZAC DAY" removed from the official 25th April public holiday? Why not? Everybody knows what happens on the 25th April, Bias.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) So you don't know why they removed it, and couldn't give a stuff, you just accept whatever the Labor party does, is that it? Or you know why they removed it, but you're far too cowardly to say why I'll tell you why they shouldn't have removed it ... it's ANZAC day ... and future generations will be asking: "Why doesn't the SA govt recognize it as such?" I'm surprised you're so jaded and nonchalant about it, since you've got threads about remembering diggers etc It appears you're not even a half-brain lefty, seems both your cerebral hemispheres are wasting away, as happens to two faced cowards like you

I once wrote an entire exam essay about why Australia Day should be abandoned in favour of ANZAC day as a national holiday.  Gained me a distinction, from memory and that was at ADFA in my Masters Degree.  Now, I knew what the 25th April was then and I know what it is, now.  I once used to live in South Australia and everybody I knew, knew what happened on 25th April.  You cannot erase ANZAC Day from the Australian Consciousness that easily.  Time you grew up and recognised that.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2023 at 9:40pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 7:40pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 5:25pm: ANZAC Day continues to be observed and will continue to be observed in Adelaide. So why then, was the wording "ANZAC DAY" removed from the official 25th April public holiday? Why not? Everybody knows what happens on the 25th April, Bias.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Yes, everyone knows. However the removal of the actual name ANZAC Day, along with Australia Day and Christmas Day, from the legislation and simply calling these days 'public holiday' indicates a lack of official recognition and a downplaying of their significance by the SA government.
This leaves open the possibility of discontented groups trying to rename these public holidays and claim them for airing of their pet grievances.   

ANZAC Day and Chrissie Day are red herrings - the aim is to get at AUSTRALIA DAY!

WADR - what would you expect from some dick-head foreign import?  Love it or leave it, Greco....  if you don't consider Australia your country - WE consider it ours..... pack your bags.... I'm sure you'll be happier somewhere else...

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2023 at 10:28am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 4th, 2023 at 12:27am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 9:40pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 7:40pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 5:25pm: ANZAC Day continues to be observed and will continue to be observed in Adelaide. So why then, was the wording "ANZAC DAY" removed from the official 25th April public holiday? Why not? Everybody knows what happens on the 25th April, Bias.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) So you don't know why they removed it, and couldn't give a stuff, you just accept whatever the Labor party does, is that it? Or you know why they removed it, but you're far too cowardly to say why I'll tell you why they shouldn't have removed it ... it's ANZAC day ... and future generations will be asking: "Why doesn't the SA govt recognize it as such?" I'm surprised you're so jaded and nonchalant about it, since you've got threads about remembering diggers etc It appears you're not even a half-brain lefty, seems both your cerebral hemispheres are wasting away, as happens to two faced cowards like you I once wrote an entire exam essay about why Australia Day should be abandoned in favour of ANZAC day as a national holiday.  Gained me a distinction, from memory and that was at ADFA in my Masters Degree.  Now, I knew what the 25th April was then and I know what it is, now.  I once used to live in South Australia and everybody I knew, knew what happened on 25th April.  You cannot erase ANZAC Day from the Australian Consciousness that easily.  Time you grew up and recognised that.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

So why erase the name of the day in the calendar? What is the point of this change, cockwomble? what has it improved?

Belgarion wrote on Dec 4^th, 2023 at 10:42am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 9:40pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 7:40pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 5:25pm: ANZAC Day continues to be observed and will continue to be observed in Adelaide. So why then, was the wording "ANZAC DAY" removed from the official 25th April public holiday? Why not? Everybody knows what happens on the 25th April, Bias.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Yes, everyone knows. However the removal of the actual name ANZAC Day, along with Australia Day and Christmas Day, from the legislation and simply calling these days 'public holiday' indicates a lack of official recognition and a downplaying of their significance by the SA government. This leaves open the possibility of discontented groups trying to rename these public holidays and claim them for airing of their pet grievances.

What it does is it removes objections from non-Christians and non-citizens to the names of the days.  Suddenly they have nothing to protest against any more.   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2023 at 10:28am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 4th, 2023 at 12:27am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 9:40pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 7:40pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 5:25pm: ANZAC Day continues to be observed and will continue to be observed in Adelaide. So why then, was the wording "ANZAC DAY" removed from the official 25th April public holiday? Why not? Everybody knows what happens on the 25th April, Bias.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) So you don't know why they removed it, and couldn't give a stuff, you just accept whatever the Labor party does, is that it? Or you know why they removed it, but you're far too cowardly to say why I'll tell you why they shouldn't have removed it ... it's ANZAC day ... and future generations will be asking: "Why doesn't the SA govt recognize it as such?" I'm surprised you're so jaded and nonchalant about it, since you've got threads about remembering diggers etc It appears you're not even a half-brain lefty, seems both your cerebral hemispheres are wasting away, as happens to two faced cowards like you I once wrote an entire exam essay about why Australia Day should be abandoned in favour of ANZAC day as a national holiday.  Gained me a distinction, from memory and that was at ADFA in my Masters Degree.  Now, I knew what the 25th April was then and I know what it is, now.  I once used to live in South Australia and everybody I knew, knew what happened on 25th April.  You cannot erase ANZAC Day from the Australian Consciousness that easily.  Time you grew up and recognised that.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Did you all see that? -

Brian wrote an exam essay on it while doing his Masters Degree.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2023 at 1:54pm:

Belgarion wrote on Dec 4th, 2023 at 10:42am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 9:40pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 7:40pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 5:25pm: ANZAC Day continues to be observed and will continue to be observed in Adelaide. So why then, was the wording "ANZAC DAY" removed from the official 25th April public holiday? Why not? Everybody knows what happens on the 25th April, Bias.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Yes, everyone knows. However the removal of the actual name ANZAC Day, along with Australia Day and Christmas Day, from the legislation and simply calling these days 'public holiday' indicates a lack of official recognition and a downplaying of their significance by the SA government. This leaves open the possibility of discontented groups trying to rename these public holidays and claim them for airing of their pet grievances.    What it does is it removes objections from non-Christians and non-citizens to the names of the days.  Suddenly they have nothing to protest against any more.   ::) ::)

They didn't change Easter, cockwomble. 

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2023 at 9:53pm:

Jasin wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 9:44pm: Is it true the ADF are all Gay? The reason why they don't want women in the armed forces. I attended an Army reunion today, Jasin.  There were plenty of female members there.  I think they were tougher than you are.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Oh, I have no doubt many would be 'tougher' than I.
Hell, I've even seen Women Nurses powerlifting fat & lazy Plebs in the Hospitals better than you and I, especially when doing StoneMasonry - my best was 100kg (and that's a carry up stairs).
So I'm pretty sure there are women in the ADF who could whip your gay arse.  ;D Probably better shots than you, too.

But I didn't say anything about 'Women being Worthy - in comparison to Men' in the ADF.
Why the paranoid jump to eh Brian? Feeling insecure?

I simply said the reason why the ADF doesn't want Women, because many Males 'still' decry about them as unworthy - and the fact that it can be said at the start the ADF was reluctant to take women more than just 'office biatches'.

Well, the ADF is known internationally as the Boutique Military and with that, I guess the ADF 'still' doesn't want women because they (& you) are all GAY !!!
...let alone you got to SCAB women from the Medical Industry to get laid. The price of which is the 'sympathy-wounded' pathway to achieve a root in the first place.  ;D


...oh, btw the last women I slept with was Ex-Military (still has camo lingerie) and her father was a Major.  ;) :-*

Doing a Masters Exam on why 'Military Warmongering and Enslavement of Civilians Day' should become 'and' REPLACE our National POLITICAL (Aust) day...

...shows what a brown nose to the Military he is, forsaking common sense and any understanding about this country as a whole - both past and in the future.  ;D

Major: "Well Bwian. What an amazing giant paper on Sucking Military Dick you have there."...Brian smiles :) "I guess we have to save face and give you a big reward and Smiley Stamp in return for your efforts!?"

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2023 at 1:54pm:

Belgarion wrote on Dec 4th, 2023 at 10:42am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 9:40pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 7:40pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 5:25pm: ANZAC Day continues to be observed and will continue to be observed in Adelaide. So why then, was the wording "ANZAC DAY" removed from the official 25th April public holiday? Why not? Everybody knows what happens on the 25th April, Bias.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Yes, everyone knows. However the removal of the actual name ANZAC Day, along with Australia Day and Christmas Day, from the legislation and simply calling these days 'public holiday' indicates a lack of official recognition and a downplaying of their significance by the SA government. This leaves open the possibility of discontented groups trying to rename these public holidays and claim them for airing of their pet grievances.    What it does is it removes objections from non-Christians and non-citizens to the names of the days.  Suddenly they have nothing to protest against any more.   ::) ::)

Non Christians have had no issue previously and have their own days of celebration, while non citizens have no say anyway. This is a woke government attempting to appeal to the fringe malcontents. ::)

The Australian Defence Force will gain access to France’s military bases in the Pacific and Indian Oceans under a new road map to reset the countries’ ties after the Attack-class submarine row.


Under the new reciprocal access arrangements, Australian naval vessels will be more frequent visitors at France’s Pacific bases in New Caledonia, French Polynesia, and its Indian Ocean bases at Réunion and Mayotte.


More access to Club Med for RAN sailors - great!

Frank wrote on Dec 5^th, 2023 at 8:16am:

The Australian Defence Force will gain access to France’s military bases in the Pacific and Indian Oceans under a new road map to reset the countries’ ties after the Attack-class submarine row. Under the new reciprocal access arrangements, Australian naval vessels will be more frequent visitors at France’s Pacific bases in New Caledonia, French Polynesia, and its Indian Ocean bases at Réunion and Mayotte. More access to Club Med for RAN sailors - great!

Noumea is a good run, but the police cells are a bit ordinary.  8-)

The US Navy has asked Australia to send a warship to the Red Sea as part of an expanded international task force, in response to growing attacks on shipping by Iran-backed militia that are threatening vital global sea lanes.

The move, under consideration by the Albanese government, would mark a major escalation in Australia’s response to the unfolding crisis in the Middle East and reflect fears the conflict could become a region-wide war.

Any Australian warship sent to the Red Sea in this crisis would be entering a hot war zone where it could easily find itself fired upon and forced to fire back amid a volatile and fast-changing security situation.

Frank wrote on Dec 14^th, 2023 at 8:44am:

The US Navy has asked Australia to send a warship to the Red Sea as part of an expanded international task force, in response to growing attacks on shipping by Iran-backed militia that are threatening vital global sea lanes. The move, under consideration by the Albanese government, would mark a major escalation in Australia’s response to the unfolding crisis in the Middle East and reflect fears the conflict could become a region-wide war. Any Australian warship sent to the Red Sea in this crisis would be entering a hot war zone where it could easily find itself fired upon and forced to fire back amid a volatile and fast-changing security situation.

There are only three potential reasons Australia would say no to a US Navy request to help protect commercial shipping through sea lanes where more than 12 per cent of the world’s trade passes, including many billions of dollars of Australian imports and exports.

The first is that there has been a change in Australia’s strategic priorities to such a degree that we no longer support sending military assets out of our immediate region except in extreme circumstances.

The second is that the navy is so rundown, so inadequately funded, that it does not have a ship, crew or appropriate weapons to be able to muster at short notice a single ship for deployment to a hot war zone in the Middle East.

The third is that the government is wary of alienating Arab and pro-Palestinian voters in Australia by sending a warship to the Middle East when it is stepping up calls for a ceasefire in Gaza and is increasingly critical of Israel’s conduct of its war on Hamas.

“Defence Minister Marles is manipulating the so-called Defence of Australia doctrine and the primacy of our region of primary strategic concern as an excuse,” Dibb tells Inquirer.

“It was never meant to exclude modest contributions to the joint allied effort. He talks with abandon about protecting sea lines of communication elsewhere but seems to ignore the fact that sea lines from the Persian Gulf through to the Red Sea and the Suez Canal are critical for oil supplies.”


“Only days after the US congress had agreed, with qualifications, to sell us three Virginia-class SSNs (nuclear submarines), Canberra looks a gift horse in the mouth and says no to deploying a solitary warship into the Red Sea,” he says. “This is not only highly embarrassing, it is a national disgrace.”




It is a disgrace. Spineless Labor is afraid of upsetting the Muslims by actually pushing back against Islamists jeopardising international shipping lanes. Albo is prepared to fight only Tories, the Bbwianesque little twerp.

Ummmm .... let us think ...... not having a drone shooter is not a deterrent to sending a ship that can take over other duties so as to free the drone shooters to shoot the drones... we are not talking here about small drones like your backyarder .. we are talking about drones that fly high and carry ordnance - all of which ordnance the ship weapons systems are designed to handle...

There's more to this than meets the eye....

Anyway - this may now prompt the OzGuvCorp to obtain or create drone shooters... ground and ship-based and aircraft based.... send up the Hawker Typhoons and the Spits to knock them V-1s off balance... actually they didn't ram them - they used the airflow over the top of the wing to tip their gyros off balance and make them spin into the earth.. must've frightened a few cows...

https://www.flyingpenguin.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/fake-V1-tipping-500x281.jpg

Frank wrote on Dec 24^th, 2023 at 8:05am:

Frank wrote on Dec 14th, 2023 at 8:44am: The US Navy has asked Australia to send a warship to the Red Sea as part of an expanded international task force, in response to growing attacks on shipping by Iran-backed militia that are threatening vital global sea lanes. The move, under consideration by the Albanese government, would mark a major escalation in Australia’s response to the unfolding crisis in the Middle East and reflect fears the conflict could become a region-wide war. Any Australian warship sent to the Red Sea in this crisis would be entering a hot war zone where it could easily find itself fired upon and forced to fire back amid a volatile and fast-changing security situation. There are only three potential reasons Australia would say no to a US Navy request to help protect commercial shipping through sea lanes where more than 12 per cent of the world’s trade passes, including many billions of dollars of Australian imports and exports. The first is that there has been a change in Australia’s strategic priorities to such a degree that we no longer support sending military assets out of our immediate region except in extreme circumstances. The second is that the navy is so rundown, so inadequately funded, that it does not have a ship, crew or appropriate weapons to be able to muster at short notice a single ship for deployment to a hot war zone in the Middle East. The third is that the government is wary of alienating Arab and pro-Palestinian voters in Australia by sending a warship to the Middle East when it is stepping up calls for a ceasefire in Gaza and is increasingly critical of Israel’s conduct of its war on Hamas. “Defence Minister Marles is manipulating the so-called Defence of Australia doctrine and the primacy of our region of primary strategic concern as an excuse,” Dibb tells Inquirer. “It was never meant to exclude modest contributions to the joint allied effort. He talks with abandon about protecting sea lines of communication elsewhere but seems to ignore the fact that sea lines from the Persian Gulf through to the Red Sea and the Suez Canal are critical for oil supplies.” “Only days after the US congress had agreed, with qualifications, to sell us three Virginia-class SSNs (nuclear submarines), Canberra looks a gift horse in the mouth and says no to deploying a solitary warship into the Red Sea,” he says. “This is not only highly embarrassing, it is a national disgrace.” It is a disgrace. Spineless Labor is afraid of upsetting the Muslims by actually pushing back against Islamists jeopardising international shipping lanes. Albo is prepared to fight only Tories, the Bbwianesque little twerp.

Number three seems the most likely, although there are some elements of one and two that could be used as an excuse for three. There has been some interesting debate on the ex RAN sites I visit. 

51st State Australia doesn't want to send a 'boat' where it's American boss tell it to go.

51st State Australia cowardly hides behind USA.
...depends on the USA.
...sends Mercenary Troops for the USA, many who fantasise that they are the 300 Spartans  ;D
...buys Submarines off the USA, which sabotaged the French contract.

...and now 'cowardly' refuses to send a 'boat' when the tough gets going.

Welcome to the Australian 'Boutique' ADF.
...you can see why they need to enslave with drafting citizens and civilians and 'boys'.
No-one in their right mind would join the ADF, especially as a 'slave' to the USA: a Rogue Political nation.

Defence - we send de man wit' de hammer and de nails to fix 'im!!

Just reading a shocker about Afghanistan and the preventable deaths of three Aus soldiers ... as someone said about something else - the cover-up/paper over was worse than the actual event... and raises doubts about senior military command...

The suspended death sentence, now likely to mean life imprisonment, passed by the Chinese courts, in the service of the Chinese Communist Party, against Australian academic and writer Yang Hengjun is a sign of the utter contempt Beijing has for Australia, for human rights and the rule of law, and for international agreements such as those providing for consular access to our citizens.

It’s a tragedy for a man guilty of nothing worse than being a brave dissident. It’s also a stark reminder of the nature of the government that is, second only to the United States, the biggest military power on Earth, and that seeks complete dominance of our region.

This underlines the extreme irresponsibility of the Albanese government’s failure to provide for any enhanced Australian defence capability over the next decade. Even our existing capabilities are degrading and disappearing. It’s a secondary scandal that the nation is not more agitated about this. It indicates a bipartisan, cultural collapse in Australia, which no longer seems to take its own defence seriously.

The promise of nuclear-powered submarines under AUKUS slowly becoming available in a decade’s time has become an excuse for both sides of politics to do nothing, commit to nothing, and say nothing of substance on actual defence capabilities.
...
In a period of acute strategic vulnerability, with the US more stretched than at any time since World War II, we have decided to do nothing in our own defence interests
...
Dibb told me: “It is blatantly obvious nothing much is happening in decision-making in defence, when the world is facing the most dangerous strategic circumstances since World War II. Where is the implementation on anything? We’ve created a bureaucratic monster.”

Dibb referred me to figures that show the mind boggling proliferation of “star-ranked” officers in the Australian Defence Force over the past 20 years. It’s nearly doubled from 120 to 219. That’s one star-ranked officer for every 260 other ranks, whereas in the US it’s one to 1526, and in the UK one to 1522.

...
“We are quintessentially in a maritime threat environment, which means not just ships and submarines but also air power over water. The priority must be maritime strike power, in particular long-range maritime strike. That means missiles with ranges not of hundreds of kilometres but thousands of kilometres. We’re putting in some missile orders, but in very small numbers.

“Drones are clearly a capability we need ourselves. Not only drones but the exquisite intelligence you need to target them accurately. And we need to be able to protect ourselves from drones.”

I pointed out to Dibb the leaked Defence document showing the department was planning to take eight years to evaluate the best type of counter-drone capability to acquire.

He replied: “It takes years to make a decision on anything. It’s worse than crazy, it’s bordering on criminal.”

Defence Minster Richard Marles and Defence Industry Minister Pat Conroy do not effectively run Defence. Defence runs them. This is a personal failure for both men but it’s partly due to the bizarre ministerial structure Labor has put in place.

Defence is the most demanding portfolio in government yet Marles is also Deputy Prime Minister. During Albanese’s frequent absences, he’s Acting PM. Marles is himself an enthusiastic and frequent traveller on defence diplomacy. He’s often not across the detail of defence equipment and is ineffective in leading the department.

The huge portfolio of Defence Industry, responsible for billions upon billions of dollars, is with Conroy. He’s a junior minister, lacking cabinet status, but also lacking a cabinet minister’s staff allocation. Worse, he simultaneously has a second portfolio, so Defence Industry is notionally led by a half-time junior minister with no staff.

In some ways Defence loves this lack of ministerial supervision. But it’s an unmitigated disaster for the nation.
Greg Sheridan.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/this-is-a-death-sentence-for-our-defence-capabilities/news-story/cbab6891a4ff86c26f659373766ac630



A bipartisan, cultural collapse in Australia, which no longer seems to take its own defence seriously.

Exactly. Not helped by the fact that the upper echelons of the ADF are filled by uniformed yes-men who have overseen the implementation of insanity like 'cultural ambassadors' and 'equity and diversity advisors' at the expense of real capability.

Frank wrote on Dec 14^th, 2023 at 8:44am:

The US Navy has asked Australia to send a warship to the Red Sea as part of an expanded international task force, in response to growing attacks on shipping by Iran-backed militia that are threatening vital global sea lanes. The move, under consideration by the Albanese government, would mark a major escalation in Australia’s response to the unfolding crisis in the Middle East and reflect fears the conflict could become a region-wide war. Any Australian warship sent to the Red Sea in this crisis would be entering a hot war zone where it could easily find itself fired upon and forced to fire back amid a volatile and fast-changing security situation.

... and with no drone defence apart from the close-in defence system .... which doesn't hit bombs dropped from drones... though existing systems could take out drones.... but under what rules?

Down 'em All!  Let God Sort 'Em Out!!  'Allied' drones would have an IFF system.

Frank wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 8:02am:

The suspended death sentence, now likely to mean life imprisonment, passed by the Chinese courts, in the service of the Chinese Communist Party, against Australian academic and writer Yang Hengjun is a sign of the utter contempt Beijing has for Australia, for human rights and the rule of law, and for international agreements such as those providing for consular access to our citizens. It’s a tragedy for a man guilty of nothing worse than being a brave dissident. It’s also a stark reminder of the nature of the government that is, second only to the United States, the biggest military power on Earth, and that seeks complete dominance of our region. This underlines the extreme irresponsibility of the Albanese government’s failure to provide for any enhanced Australian defence capability over the next decade. Even our existing capabilities are degrading and disappearing. It’s a secondary scandal that the nation is not more agitated about this. It indicates a bipartisan, cultural collapse in Australia, which no longer seems to take its own defence seriously. The promise of nuclear-powered submarines under AUKUS slowly becoming available in a decade’s time has become an excuse for both sides of politics to do nothing, commit to nothing, and say nothing of substance on actual defence capabilities. ... In a period of acute strategic vulnerability, with the US more stretched than at any time since World War II, we have decided to do nothing in our own defence interests ... Dibb told me: “It is blatantly obvious nothing much is happening in decision-making in defence, when the world is facing the most dangerous strategic circumstances since World War II. Where is the implementation on anything? We’ve created a bureaucratic monster.” Dibb referred me to figures that show the mind boggling proliferation of “star-ranked” officers in the Australian Defence Force over the past 20 years. It’s nearly doubled from 120 to 219. That’s one star-ranked officer for every 260 other ranks, whereas in the US it’s one to 1526, and in the UK one to 1522. ... “We are quintessentially in a maritime threat environment, which means not just ships and submarines but also air power over water. The priority must be maritime strike power, in particular long-range maritime strike. That means missiles with ranges not of hundreds of kilometres but thousands of kilometres. We’re putting in some missile orders, but in very small numbers. “Drones are clearly a capability we need ourselves. Not only drones but the exquisite intelligence you need to target them accurately. And we need to be able to protect ourselves from drones.” I pointed out to Dibb the leaked Defence document showing the department was planning to take eight years to evaluate the best type of counter-drone capability to acquire. He replied: “It takes years to make a decision on anything. It’s worse than crazy, it’s bordering on criminal.” Defence Minster Richard Marles and Defence Industry Minister Pat Conroy do not effectively run Defence. Defence runs them. This is a personal failure for both men but it’s partly due to the bizarre ministerial structure Labor has put in place. Defence is the most demanding portfolio in government yet Marles is also Deputy Prime Minister. During Albanese’s frequent absences, he’s Acting PM. Marles is himself an enthusiastic and frequent traveller on defence diplomacy. He’s often not across the detail of defence equipment and is ineffective in leading the department. The huge portfolio of Defence Industry, responsible for billions upon billions of dollars, is with Conroy. He’s a junior minister, lacking cabinet status, but also lacking a cabinet minister’s staff allocation. Worse, he simultaneously has a second portfolio, so Defence Industry is notionally led by a half-time junior minister with no staff. In some ways Defence loves this lack of ministerial supervision. But it’s an unmitigated disaster for the nation. Greg Sheridan. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/this-is-a-death-sentence-for-our-defence-capabilities/news-story/cbab6891a4ff86c26f659373766ac630 A bipartisan, cultural collapse in Australia, which no longer seems to take its own defence seriously.

It's 'showing the badge' and ensuring that Australia knows its place as second class.... as an ancient 'civilisation' China remains very primitive in many ways.... and is still essentially governed by warlords.... though they deny it .... and in many ways, women are still second class... though they deny it..... and illegitimate children are not accorded even medical benefits...

For a 'civilised' place it is very God-forsaken.... though many of its people are excellent.... just... same as here ... not their ruling self-appointed elite.

"This underlines the extreme irresponsibility of the Albanese government’s failure to provide for any enhanced Australian defence capability over the next decade"

I would suggest we need to look at that in terms of 'government' overall in recent history - not just Wobbly Albo.

Belgarion wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 9:45am:

Exactly. Not helped by the fact that the upper echelons of the ADF are filled by uniformed yes-men who have overseen the implementation of insanity like 'cultural ambassadors' and 'equity and diversity advisors' at the expense of real capability.

Like what, Belgarion?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 1:52pm:

Belgarion wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 9:45am: Exactly. Not helped by the fact that the upper echelons of the ADF are filled by uniformed yes-men who have overseen the implementation of insanity like 'cultural ambassadors' and 'equity and diversity advisors' at the expense of real capability. Like what, Belgarion?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Figures compiled for the Greens by the Parliamentary Library show a tremendously top-heavy Australian Defence Force with the number of flag officers almost doubling since 2003 from 119 to 219.

This means there is a one star level officer for every 260 full-time uniformed members. This is way out of whack with comparable militaries around the world.

The most senior level of officers in the ADF with a 'star rank', Generals, Admirals and Air Commodores, have multiplied while enlisted numbers have gone backwards falling from 62,429 in 1983 to 41,079 in 2023.

This is part of a broader trend towards a top-heavy military with the proportion of officers to enlisted members doubling from 14 to 28% between 1983 and 2023. International comparisons on senior pay and numbers are below.

Senator David Shoebridge, Greens Defence Spokesperson, said:  "When you have so much gold braid and so few troops it feels like a Bbwianesque satire, not a military."
https://www.miragenews.com/australian-defence-leadership-collapses-under-1135059/

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 1:52pm:

Belgarion wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 9:45am: Exactly. Not helped by the fact that the upper echelons of the ADF are filled by uniformed yes-men who have overseen the implementation of insanity like 'cultural ambassadors' and 'equity and diversity advisors' at the expense of real capability. Like what, Belgarion?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Proper technical training, less reliance on civilian contractors for training, maintenance and logistics.  Reintroduction of a proper superannuation scheme to reward long service, no lowering of the initial entry standards but streamlining the ridiculously convoluted recruiting process, a return to the real values of the ADF -  less of the emphasis on 'diversity' and more on teamwork and comradeship.

That will do for a start. From there we can re-build what has been lost and stop hemorrhaging people as we are now.    

Frank wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 2:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 1:52pm: Belgarion wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 9:45am: Exactly. Not helped by the fact that the upper echelons of the ADF are filled by uniformed yes-men who have overseen the implementation of insanity like 'cultural ambassadors' and 'equity and diversity advisors' at the expense of real capability. Like what, Belgarion?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Figures compiled for the Greens by the Parliamentary Library show a tremendously top-heavy Australian Defence Force with the number of flag officers almost doubling since 2003 from 119 to 219. This means there is a one star level officer for every 260 full-time uniformed members. This is way out of whack with comparable militaries around the world. The most senior level of officers in the ADF with a 'star rank', Generals, Admirals and Air Commodores, have multiplied while enlisted numbers have gone backwards falling from 62,429 in 1983 to 41,079 in 2023. This is part of a broader trend towards a top-heavy military with the proportion of officers to enlisted members doubling from 14 to 28% between 1983 and 2023. International comparisons on senior pay and numbers are below. Senator David Shoebridge, Greens Defence Spokesperson, said:  "When you have so much gold braid and so few troops it feels like a Bbwianesque satire, not a military." https://www.miragenews.com/australian-defence-leadership-collapses-under-1135059/

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, that has nothing to do with capabilities, Soren.  You need to learn English, it appears. I know it's your second language but you could at least make an effort.  Bloody immigrant.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 2:47pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 2:25pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 1:52pm: Belgarion wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 9:45am: Exactly. Not helped by the fact that the upper echelons of the ADF are filled by uniformed yes-men who have overseen the implementation of insanity like 'cultural ambassadors' and 'equity and diversity advisors' at the expense of real capability. Like what, Belgarion?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Figures compiled for the Greens by the Parliamentary Library show a tremendously top-heavy Australian Defence Force with the number of flag officers almost doubling since 2003 from 119 to 219. This means there is a one star level officer for every 260 full-time uniformed members. This is way out of whack with comparable militaries around the world. The most senior level of officers in the ADF with a 'star rank', Generals, Admirals and Air Commodores, have multiplied while enlisted numbers have gone backwards falling from 62,429 in 1983 to 41,079 in 2023. This is part of a broader trend towards a top-heavy military with the proportion of officers to enlisted members doubling from 14 to 28% between 1983 and 2023. International comparisons on senior pay and numbers are below. Senator David Shoebridge, Greens Defence Spokesperson, said:  "When you have so much gold braid and so few troops it feels like a Bbwianesque satire, not a military." https://www.miragenews.com/australian-defence-leadership-collapses-under-1135059/ Oh, dearie, dearie, me, that has nothing to do with capabilities, Soren.  You need to learn English, it appears. I know it's your second language but you could at least make an effort.  Bloody immigrant.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Your question to Belgarion wasn't about capability, eyewateringly stupid cockwomble, it was about the military being top-heavy at the expense of capability.

The article I posted from Sheridan details some oof the reasons for the lack of capability in the ADF.

Go back to sleep, drooling ****wit.

Belgarion wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 2:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 1:52pm: Belgarion wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 9:45am: Exactly. Not helped by the fact that the upper echelons of the ADF are filled by uniformed yes-men who have overseen the implementation of insanity like 'cultural ambassadors' and 'equity and diversity advisors' at the expense of real capability. Like what, Belgarion?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Proper technical training, less reliance on civilian contractors for training, maintenance and logistics.  Reintroduction of a proper superannuation scheme to reward long service, no lowering of the initial entry standards but streamlining the ridiculously convoluted recruiting process, a return to the real values of the ADF -  less of the emphasis on 'diversity' and more on teamwork and comradeship. That will do for a start. From there we can re-build what has been lost and stop hemorrhaging people as we are now.

Sounds like a naval problem to me, the Army does not use that many civilian contractors for training.  Not sure about the RAAF.  Not sure why the Navy would be reliant on civvies but it might be a conscious decision to have sailors on duty, on board ships rather than wearing a uniform in front of a classroom.  Diversity is an important factor, it shows the ADF is not dominated by one ethnicity or class, there are no cries of the ADF being disproportionate, as the US Army was when the draft was in force.  Teamwork is important and no team could ignore the diversity of it's members.  In my time in the Army, we had Asians, Muslims, Greeks, Italians, Poms, Kiwis, Indigenous and Islanders, we all thought we were Australians and were treated as such.

Frank wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 3:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 2:47pm: Frank wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 2:25pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 1:52pm: Belgarion wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 9:45am: Exactly. Not helped by the fact that the upper echelons of the ADF are filled by uniformed yes-men who have overseen the implementation of insanity like 'cultural ambassadors' and 'equity and diversity advisors' at the expense of real capability. Like what, Belgarion?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Figures compiled for the Greens by the Parliamentary Library show a tremendously top-heavy Australian Defence Force with the number of flag officers almost doubling since 2003 from 119 to 219. This means there is a one star level officer for every 260 full-time uniformed members. This is way out of whack with comparable militaries around the world. The most senior level of officers in the ADF with a 'star rank', Generals, Admirals and Air Commodores, have multiplied while enlisted numbers have gone backwards falling from 62,429 in 1983 to 41,079 in 2023. This is part of a broader trend towards a top-heavy military with the proportion of officers to enlisted members doubling from 14 to 28% between 1983 and 2023. International comparisons on senior pay and numbers are below. Senator David Shoebridge, Greens Defence Spokesperson, said:  "When you have so much gold braid and so few troops it feels like a Bbwianesque satire, not a military." https://www.miragenews.com/australian-defence-leadership-collapses-under-1135059/ Oh, dearie, dearie, me, that has nothing to do with capabilities, Soren.  You need to learn English, it appears. I know it's your second language but you could at least make an effort.  Bloody immigrant.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Your question to Belgarion wasn't about capability, eyewateringly stupid cockwomble, it was about the military being top-heavy at the expense of capability. The article I posted from Sheridan details some oof the reasons for the lack of capability in the ADF. Go back to sleep, drooling ****wit.

"Real capability", Soren.  Learn to read.  Sheesssh.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 8:02am:

It’s a tragedy for a man guilty of nothing worse than being a brave dissident. It’s also a stark reminder of the nature of the government that is, second only to the United States, the biggest military power on Earth, and that seeks complete dominance of our region. This underlines the extreme irresponsibility of the Albanese government’s failure to provide for any enhanced Australian defence capability over the next decade. Even our existing capabilities are degrading and disappearing. [highlight]It’s a secondary scandal that the nation is not more agitated about this. It indicates a bipartisan, cultural collapse in Australia, which no longer seems to take its own defence seriously.[/highlight] The promise of nuclear-powered submarines under AUKUS slowly becoming available in a decade’s time has become an excuse for both sides of politics to do nothing, commit to nothing, and say nothing of substance on actual defence capabilities. ... In a period of acute strategic vulnerability, with the US more stretched than at any time since World War II, we have decided to do nothing in our own defence interests ... Dibb told me: “It is blatantly obvious nothing much is happening in decision-making in defence, when the world is facing the most dangerous strategic circumstances since World War II. Where is the implementation on anything? We’ve created a bureaucratic monster.” Dibb referred me to figures that show the mind boggling proliferation of “star-ranked” officers in the Australian Defence Force over the past 20 years. It’s nearly doubled from 120 to 219. That’s one star-ranked officer for every 260 other ranks, whereas in the US it’s one to 1526, and in the UK one to 1522. ... “We are quintessentially in a maritime threat environment, which means not just ships and submarines but also air power over water. The priority must be maritime strike power, in particular long-range maritime strike. That means missiles with ranges not of hundreds of kilometres but thousands of kilometres. We’re putting in some missile orders, but in very small numbers. “Drones are clearly a capability we need ourselves. Not only drones but the exquisite intelligence you need to target them accurately. And we need to be able to protect ourselves from drones.” I pointed out to Dibb the leaked Defence document showing the department was planning to take eight years to evaluate the best type of counter-drone capability to acquire. He replied: “It takes years to make a decision on anything. It’s worse than crazy, it’s bordering on criminal.” Defence Minster Richard Marles and Defence Industry Minister Pat Conroy do not effectively run Defence. Defence runs them. This is a personal failure for both men but it’s partly due to the bizarre ministerial structure Labor has put in place. Defence is the most demanding portfolio in government yet Marles is also Deputy Prime Minister. During Albanese’s frequent absences, he’s Acting PM. Marles is himself an enthusiastic and frequent traveller on defence diplomacy. He’s often not across the detail of defence equipment and is ineffective in leading the department. The huge portfolio of Defence Industry, responsible for billions upon billions of dollars, is with Conroy. He’s a junior minister, lacking cabinet status, but also lacking a cabinet minister’s staff allocation. Worse, he simultaneously has a second portfolio, so Defence Industry is notionally led by a half-time junior minister with no staff. In some ways Defence loves this lack of ministerial supervision. But it’s an unmitigated disaster for the nation. Greg Sheridan. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/this-is-a-death-sentence-for-our-defence-capabilities/news-story/cbab6891a4ff86c26f659373766ac630 A bipartisan, cultural collapse in Australia, which no longer seems to take its own defence seriously.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 4:08pm:

"Real capability", Soren.  Learn to read.  Sheesssh.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Look, you stupid bastard, look, don't just roll your unfocused eyes and tut tut inanely.


This is a death sentence for our defence capabilities


Frank wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 8:02am:

It’s a tragedy for a man guilty of nothing worse than being a brave dissident. It’s also a stark reminder of the nature of the government that is, second only to the United States, the biggest military power on Earth, and that seeks complete dominance of our region. This underlines the extreme irresponsibility of the Albanese government’s failure to provide for any enhanced Australian defence capability over the next decade. Even our existing capabilities are degrading and disappearing. It’s a secondary scandal that the nation is not more agitated about this. It indicates a bipartisan, cultural collapse in Australia, which no longer seems to take its own defence seriously.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you are a worry-wart, Soren.  We presently have no enemies so who are we supposedly defending against?  China is a distant worry, way off there, some 5000 kilometres away.  Who else is a danger?  Asylum seekers?  Terrorists?  Anyone?  Americans perhaps?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

I saw Brian in full battle uniform hiding behind some Librarian and telling him to go fight that Viet-Cong Soldier for him.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 4:37pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you are a worry-wart, Soren.  We presently have no enemies so who are we supposedly defending against?  China is a distant worry, way off there, some 5000 kilometres away.  Who else is a danger?  Asylum seekers?  Terrorists?  Anyone?  Americans perhaps?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

You are, of course, a complete fool and numpty.


The suspended death sentence, now likely to mean life imprisonment, passed by the Chinese courts, in the service of the Chinese Communist Party, against Australian academic and writer Yang Hengjun is a sign of the utter contempt Beijing has for Australia, for human rights and the rule of law, and for international agreements such as those providing for consular access to our citizens.

It’s a tragedy for a man guilty of nothing worse than being a brave dissident. It’s also a stark reminder of the nature of the government that is, second only to the United States, the biggest military power on Earth, and that seeks complete dominance of our region

Tell me, does China have jurisdiction over crimes committed in the PRC, Soren?  Yang Hengjun is in China.  He is under the PRC's jurisdiction.  He has gone up Chinese law and Chinese courts.  He doesn't have Extraterritoriality, which you believe he does.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Belgarion wrote on Dec 4^th, 2023 at 10:42am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 9:40pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 7:40pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 5:25pm: ANZAC Day continues to be observed and will continue to be observed in Adelaide. So why then, was the wording "ANZAC DAY" removed from the official 25th April public holiday? Why not? Everybody knows what happens on the 25th April, Bias.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Yes, everyone knows. However the removal of the actual name ANZAC Day, along with Australia Day and Christmas Day, from the legislation and simply calling these days 'public holiday' indicates a lack of official recognition and a downplaying of their significance by the SA government. This leaves open the possibility of discontented groups trying to rename these public holidays and claim them for airing of their pet grievances.

Well said.

Labor has done ‘absolutely nothing’ with defence: Greg Sheridan


“One reason is because it has very weak ministerial leadership in defence,” Mr Sheridan told Sky News host Peta Credlin.

“Under Labor, you’ve got what I think is the most bizarre ministerial arrangements I’ve ever seen in journalism.

Mr Sheridan pointed out Richard Marles presides over the “most complex and demanding portfolio in government” while also taking on Deputy Prime Minister duties.

“I don’t think there is another nation in the world that spends its defence dollar as inefficiently as Australia does.”

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/labor-has-done-absolutely-nothing-with-defence-greg-sheridan/ar-BB1hUrZN?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=34e4e553902e4ebd89a45ff5c1dbd2fb&ei=30

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 6:50pm:

Belgarion wrote on Dec 4th, 2023 at 10:42am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 9:40pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 7:40pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 5:25pm: ANZAC Day continues to be observed and will continue to be observed in Adelaide. So why then, was the wording "ANZAC DAY" removed from the official 25th April public holiday? Why not? Everybody knows what happens on the 25th April, Bias.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Yes, everyone knows. However the removal of the actual name ANZAC Day, along with Australia Day and Christmas Day, from the legislation and simply calling these days 'public holiday' indicates a lack of official recognition and a downplaying of their significance by the SA government. This leaves open the possibility of discontented groups trying to rename these public holidays and claim them for airing of their pet grievances.    Well said.

A bipartisan, cultural collapse in Australia, which no longer seems to take its own defence - and history and much of its Australian identity and values - seriously.

Frank wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 8:38pm:

Greg Sheridan

Greg Sheridan who never saw a dictator he didn't like.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 6:41pm:

Tell me, does China have jurisdiction over crimes committed in the PRC, Soren?  Yang Hengjun is in China.  He is under the PRC's jurisdiction.  He has gone up Chinese law and Chinese courts.  He doesn't have Extraterritoriality, which you believe he does.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Australian citizens. Secret trial. Unclear charges, no access to consular or legal assistance. You are not a Chinese citizens so you have no ability to criticise their treatment of Australian citizens, right, you stupid cockwomble.




The death sentence imposed on Australian writer Yang Hengjun on Monday, which may be reduced to life in prison after two years for good behaviour – if Dr Yang, 58, who is critically ill, survives that long – is macabre and harrowing. Dr Yang was arrested by 10 security agents in January 2019 at the gate at Guangzhou’s international airport as he was arriving from New York, where he was based as a visiting scholar at Columbia University. He travelled to China to visit his sick brother, but was taken to an unofficial “black jail”, tortured and interrogated by secret police around 300 times, sometimes in the middle of the night, while confined in shackles. Dr Yang, whose writings called on China to embrace democracy, has consistently denied the shadowy charges of espionage levelled against him. These were prosecuted almost three years ago in a secretive, closed-door trial in Beijing, to which Australia’s ambassador was denied entry. Throughout his ordeal, Dr Yang has had limited access to lawyers, consular assistance and family.

Dr Yang’s treatment shows the Chinese Communist Party’s longstanding preference for punishing those it regards as opponents – rather than following transparent, procedural fairness and the rule of law – has not changed. After five years of advocacy on behalf of Dr Yang by the Morrison and Albanese governments, the sentence shows the real extent of Australia’s influence with Beijing. That is as true now under Labor, when relations appear to have thawed, as it was when they were at their lowest ebb under Scott Morrison.

In retrospect, Chinese ambassador Xiao Qian – an urbane master of smooth yet menacing rhetoric – gave a hint at his new year’s press conference last month that trouble lay ahead for Dr Yang. Mr Xiao played down questions about whether China would release Dr Yang in coming months. His case was different to that of journalist Cheng Lei, the ambassador said, and he did not expect Dr Yang’s case would come to such a conclusion.

Ms Lei’s treatment at the brutal hands of China was also grossly unfair. A Chinese-born television reporter and Australian citizen who worked for China’s state-run English-language TV station, she was released in October after three years’ detention, on vague allegations of sharing Chinese state secrets. After her release, Ms Lei, 49, likened the experience to “being buried alive’’. Last month, this newspaper named her our Australian of the Year for her resilience, articulacy and strength of values, including freedom of the press.

Rather foolish for Yang Hengjun to place himself in jeopardy then.  Tell me, Soren would you contemplate a trip to China?  No, I wonder why?  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

How long has Brian been a covert Racist?

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 10:27am:

Frank wrote on Dec 14th, 2023 at 8:44am: The US Navy has asked Australia to send a warship to the Red Sea as part of an expanded international task force, in response to growing attacks on shipping by Iran-backed militia that are threatening vital global sea lanes. The move, under consideration by the Albanese government, would mark a major escalation in Australia’s response to the unfolding crisis in the Middle East and reflect fears the conflict could become a region-wide war. Any Australian warship sent to the Red Sea in this crisis would be entering a hot war zone where it could easily find itself fired upon and forced to fire back amid a volatile and fast-changing security situation. ... and with no drone defence apart from the close-in defence system .... which doesn't hit bombs dropped from drones... though existing systems could take out drones.... but under what rules? Down 'em All!  Let God Sort 'Em Out!!  'Allied' drones would have an IFF system.

Shadow defence minister Andrew Hastie has expressed his disappointment in the Albanese government for not sending a Royal Australian Naval vessel to the Red Sea at the request of the United States in December.

Mr Hastie said America and its allies "have no choice" to combat the Houthi rebels in the Red Sea as a significant portion of global trade passes through the region and the disruption will cost Australians "a lot of money".

He said the Labor government took a "weak position" not to join the US, UK, France and Italy who are "doing the hard work" to keep the trade routes operational.

Mr Hastie illustrated the poignancy of the situation in simple terms; 12 per cent of global trade passes through the Gate of Tears into the Red Sea while up to 29 ships have been targeted by the Iran-backed militant group with 13 sustaining direct hits.

"Just today, I looked at the prices of moving a 40-foot shipping container from northern Europe to the Far East. They've gone up 147% in the last month," Mr Hastie said.

Royal Australian Navy Vice Admiral Mark Hammond said Mr Albanese's decision not to send a warship to the region to combat the Iran-backed Houthi rebels was not a question of capability, but a "decision for government".

"This was a question of the government deciding where it wanted to focus its surface combatant force at the moment," Vice Admiral Hammond said.

The recent Houthi tactics of deploying drones such as the Shahid 136, which has a range of 2.5 kilometres and the ability to carry a 50-kilogram warhead, prompted him review and assure the Navy’s own capabilities.

"I've got complete confidence in our radar and weapons systems on our surface combatant force," he said.

Mr Hastie said the significant costs to redirect and reroute the ships, and the financial complexity of the situation, will end up affecting Australians.

"The Houthi rebels who are backed by Iran, a lot of the equipment and missiles that they're using, the drones, particularly Iranian - the US and its allies have no choice but to strike against these rebels to keep these ships moving," he said.

"Because the costs are significant, the financial complexity, the operational complexity of rerouting these ships from the Red Sea down around the Cape of Good Hope is going to cost Australian mums and dads and small businesses a lot of money if we don't sort this out."

Mr Hastie said under the Labor government Australia is a “fair-weather friend”.

"Over the last 30 years, we've sent 57 Royal Australian naval vessels to the Middle East or waters around the Middle East to fight against piracy and terror," Mr Hastie said.

"I admire the Chief of Navy and his courage in speaking up for the Navy. He said that they could have done it. So this is a political decision.

"And the Albanese government has still not explained why they've taken the weak decision and not supported the US, the French, the British, the Italians and other nations who are doing the hard work to keep those shipping, trade routes open."

The Houthi rebels say the attacks in the Red Sea are in support of Palestinians killed in the ongoing Israel-Hamas war in Gaza. Houthi leader Abdul Malik al-Houthi said recently the group will "seek to escalate more and more if the barbaric and brutal aggression against Gaza does not stop".

It comes as shipping vessel MV Bahijah, containing almost 17,000 sheep bound for Israel, remains in limbo in Fremantle, Western Australia, amid the ongoing security issues involving indiscriminate Houthi attacks in the Red Sea.

If the export permit is refused again, the animals will be slaughtered.

Send de man wit' de hammer and de nails to fix it!

Carpet bomb Yemen... of no account anyway.... pack of idiots intent on cutting their own throats, just like Hamas... so worked up over their own invulnerability under Allah that they just don't see those body parts flying past...

I have often walked
Yemen streets before,
But the pavement always stayed
Beneath my feet before.
All at once am I
Seven stories high
Knowing I'm on the street
You just Blitzed....

There go Ahmed's balls
They don't bother me
I am more concerned about landing
In one piece you see
There goes Mahomed, too
In a piece or two
He won't be there
On the street
You just Blitzed.

And oh - that towering mushroom
That makes street after street here disappear
That overpowering feeling
That your drones may suddenly just re-appear.

Let the ships go by
They won't bother me
For there's nowhere else on Earth
That I would rather be,
Let them all go by
I don't care if I
Can just be here on the street
You just blitzed.

australia doesnt have the ability to domestically manufacture the stuff it needs to have any viable 'defense' capacities whatsoever because input prices are too high here and probably always will be.

JC Denton wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 10:29pm:

australia doesnt have the ability to domestically manufacture the stuff it needs to have any viable 'defense' capacities whatsoever because input prices are too high here and probably always will be.

Blame the Unions!!

If you want to financially succeed.
Run your own business and don't hire anyone else at all.

Jasin wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 10:32pm:

JC Denton wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 10:29pm: australia doesnt have the ability to domestically manufacture the stuff it needs to have any viable 'defense' capacities whatsoever because input prices are too high here and probably always will be. Blame the Unions!! If you want to financially succeed. Run your own business and don't hire anyone else at all.

ya they are part of it but its mostly land energy and the mining sector

JC Denton wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 10:29pm:

australia doesnt have the ability to domestically manufacture the stuff it needs to have any viable 'defense' capacities whatsoever because input prices are too high here and probably always will be.

Not all of it but there is a defence industry. It could be bigger.
https://www.globalaustralia.gov.au/industries/defence

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 4:07pm:

Sounds like a naval problem to me, the Army does not use that many civilian contractors for training.  Not sure about the RAAF.  Not sure why the Navy would be reliant on civvies but it might be a conscious decision to have sailors on duty, on board ships rather than wearing a uniform in front of a classroom.  Diversity is an important factor, it shows the ADF is not dominated by one ethnicity or class, there are no cries of the ADF being disproportionate, as the US Army was when the draft was in force.  Teamwork is important and no team could ignore the diversity of it's members.  In my time in the Army, we had Asians, Muslims, Greeks, Italians, Poms, Kiwis, Indigenous and Islanders, we all thought we were Australians and were treated as such.

The civilianisation of ADF billets is affecting all three services. It's most noticeable in the RAN due to the distinct separation of sea and shore billets, where many of the shore billets for logistics and maintenance personnel have been put out to tender, resulting in fewer billets for these personnel to go to when they are due shore time. But as I said, it's also noticeable in the RAAF and Army.  Professional standards in these civilianised billets have certainly dropped.

The highlighted section is exactly it. People were treated the same no matter what their background and we were all part of the team. However the current emphasis on 'diversity' has only created issues where previously there were none. Morale is low, good people are leaving and recruiting is failing to make up the losses.

JC Denton wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 10:29pm:

australia doesnt have the ability to domestically manufacture the stuff it needs to have any viable 'defense' capacities whatsoever because input prices are too high here and probably always will be.

Funny, we seem to manufacture ships here, along with armoured vehicles, weapons, missiles quite happily, Empnap.  I think you know SFA about defence procurement downunder.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Belgarion wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 9:33am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 4:07pm: Sounds like a naval problem to me, the Army does not use that many civilian contractors for training.  Not sure about the RAAF.  Not sure why the Navy would be reliant on civvies but it might be a conscious decision to have sailors on duty, on board ships rather than wearing a uniform in front of a classroom.  Diversity is an important factor, it shows the ADF is not dominated by one ethnicity or class, there are no cries of the ADF being disproportionate, as the US Army was when the draft was in force.  Teamwork is important and no team could ignore the diversity of it's members.  In my time in the Army, we had Asians, Muslims, Greeks, Italians, Poms, Kiwis, Indigenous and Islanders, we all thought we were Australians and were treated as such. The civilianisation of ADF billets is affecting all three services. It's most noticeable in the RAN due to the distinct separation of sea and shore billets, where many of the shore billets for logistics and maintenance personnel have been put out to tender, resulting in fewer billets for these personnel to go to when they are due shore time. But as I said, it's also noticeable in the RAAF and Army.  Professional standards in these civilianised billets have certainly dropped. The highlighted section is exactly it. People were treated the same no matter what their background and we were all part of the team. However the current emphasis on 'diversity' has only created issues where previously there were none. Morale is low, good people are leaving and recruiting is failing to make up the losses.

Again I think it is primarily a Naval problem.  The Army and the RAAF have few civvie contractors like that.  Indeed, I wish the Army had more, it would get soldiers out of boring jobs.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

If the ADF pushes the Prime Minister to incorporate Conscription (enslavement of Civilians and Citizens) to save its sorry arse. Then you know, everything Brian harks on about is bullshyte through and through.

Pretty sad when the ADF has to sponge 'women' from other industries, especially the Medical 'Nurses' - just to get laid.
Step up from Rape, like most Military Soldiers need to do, I guess.  ::)

Defence Minister Richard Marles has delivered a brutal assessment of his department’s performance, saying it has “a long way to go” before it can claim to have a “culture of excellence”.

The judgment comes as Defence scrambles to implement the government’s new strategic blueprint and transform itself into a more agile department able to respond to looming threats.

Amid reports of frustrations in Mr Marles’s office over the pace of Defence reform, the minister told parliament: “I make no excuses or apologies for demanding excellence and a culture of excellence in the Department of Defence and in the Australian Defence Force.

“And there is a way to go before we have that culture of excellence in the Department of Defence and the ADF.”

Defence is under pressure from the government as it re-draws its 10-year capability investment plan, which will require a swath of spending cuts to fund nuclear submarines, ships and missiles.

One source told The Australian that Mr Marles had been handed “a grenade” by Defence in an earlier draft of the plan that would have been politically fatal if it had been implemented.

Labor is itself under pressure to stump up more funds in the May budget to fund promised new capabilities, and to start making decisions so Defence industry firms can get to work on the plan.

“In October 2022, Mr Marles stood up and said the buck stopped with him as the Minister of Defence. He is failing by his own standard,” Mr Hastie said.

“Australia is facing the most dangerous strategic circumstances since the end of the Second World War … yet all we get from Labor is weak leadership.”

The new Defence investment plan must incorporate the government’s new surface fleet plan, which Mr Marles received last year but is yet to release.

The government has also pledged to release a new national defence strategy, a plan to revive the nation’s defence industry, and a Defence estate review that could deliver much-needed funds through the sale of surplus properties.

Mr Marles’s growing frustration with Defence follows his decision to extend Chief of Defence Angus Campbell’s term until the middle of this year, and retain long-serving department secretary Greg Moriarty.

Both have been senior leaders for years, presiding over a force that the Defence Strategic Review condemned as “no longer fit for purpose”.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 12:13pm:

JC Denton wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 10:29pm: australia doesnt have the ability to domestically manufacture the stuff it needs to have any viable 'defense' capacities whatsoever because input prices are too high here and probably always will be. Funny, we seem to manufacture ships here, along with armoured vehicles, weapons, missiles quite happily, Empnap.  I think you know SFA about defence procurement downunder.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

lmao we barely manufacture absolutely f_ck all you absolute f_cking mental cretin, and what we do 'manufacture' (i.e assemble from imported parts) is very likely ironically completely dependent upon chinese based supply chains

if you think australia has the domestic capacity to fight a war for more than five seconds let alone an attritional one you're absolutely cracked; if even the united states has to scramble and scrimp to find enough artillery shells to sustain their ukrainian life-support operation while being outproduced by an alleged 100bl~ GDP country like north korea what hope do you think australia has

literally nobody is going to want to invest in an ammunition factory when they can make more dough for way less risk just landbanking on the plot or sticking down an apartment highrise and filling it with indian students

australia has no political capacity for autarky

also stop calling me empnap you absolute pedo creep

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2023 at 5:25pm:

Molan is a fool.  ANZAC Day continues to be observed and will continue to be observed in Adelaide.  She is alarmed at nothing.   She like her father is being stupid.  I have met Jim Molan at a conference where he was the keynote speaker.  He didn't deserve the honour, even then, seeking a political career.  Skynews deserves Molan as a journalist/presenter.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

A typical leftist softcock ideologues response.

Did you tell him what you thought of him at that conference?

I bet you didn't.

One thing that has come out of the Roberts-Smith saga (including statements past by M Hastie) ... and analyses of reasons for command failures - is that Defence is reluctant (to put it nicely) to actually inform the Minister fully and correctly.  Clarification:-  not criticising Hastie direct here in Afghanistan.... he was at the bottom of the feeding chain and was not fully informed as well!!  I merely state that he has made statements about his time in Afghanistan.

This is reminiscent of the CIA when Rear Admiral C. Turner Joy took over, and found that he was essentially kept out of the loop by vested interests.  Just an aside there and support for the idea that sometimes relevant government ministers and even branch heads are kept in the dark as a matter of public service policy - the usual reason given being 'national security'....meaning the Minister/HOD has no right to know all.....

This lead to a very difficult situation when it came to all those allegations (which I will not judge here), since it did not permit getting to the bottom of exactly why - given different ROE in different situations and locations - all of this was not made fully clear and available to any investigation until Brereton, let alone to the troops on the ground at the time .... and even then there are looming areas of 'Dark Holes'.  Then there was the situation where zero liability or responsibility was accorded to officers in charge of operational actions for any failures - with every single one being later promoted.

That there IS a mindset/culture in Defence of being somehow above the law and above political considerations such as obedience to the government of the day is not in doubt.... so it appears, on the surface so far, that Marles Ghost has a tiger by the tail..... and is likely to lose this fight... Shadow Government at its very best - or very worst.

That there developed within certain SAS persons the culture that the 'best gunfighters' got the final say regardless of rank is also not in dispute.... and THAT is why 2 Sqn was removed from the Order of Battle.  I could go into that further but I will not at this time, and note I do not use the acronym SASR.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2023 at 9:40pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 7:40pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 5:25pm: ANZAC Day continues to be observed and will continue to be observed in Adelaide. So why then, was the wording "ANZAC DAY" removed from the official 25th April public holiday? Why not? Everybody knows what happens on the 25th April, Bias.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

What a noxious dumb Tnuc response.

Answer the question ... why was it removed if everyone knows what the day is for?

So people will forget.

subversion by stealth.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2023 at 10:28am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 4th, 2023 at 12:27am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 9:40pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 7:40pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 5:25pm: ANZAC Day continues to be observed and will continue to be observed in Adelaide. So why then, was the wording "ANZAC DAY" removed from the official 25th April public holiday? Why not? Everybody knows what happens on the 25th April, Bias.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) So you don't know why they removed it, and couldn't give a stuff, you just accept whatever the Labor party does, is that it? Or you know why they removed it, but you're far too cowardly to say why I'll tell you why they shouldn't have removed it ... it's ANZAC day ... and future generations will be asking: "Why doesn't the SA govt recognize it as such?" I'm surprised you're so jaded and nonchalant about it, since you've got threads about remembering diggers etc It appears you're not even a half-brain lefty, seems both your cerebral hemispheres are wasting away, as happens to two faced cowards like you I once wrote an entire exam essay about why Australia Day should be abandoned in favour of ANZAC day as a national holiday.  Gained me a distinction, from memory and that was at ADFA in my Masters Degree.  Now, I knew what the 25th April was then and I know what it is, now.  I once used to live in South Australia and everybody I knew, knew what happened on 25th April.  You cannot erase ANZAC Day from the Australian Consciousness that easily.  Time you grew up and recognised that.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

All you've achieved here are reasons/proof why it should not have been removed from the calendar.

You can't get any stupider ... and you reckon you have a Masters?  ;D

Yeah in self abuse. Change hands.

https://nzhistory.govt.nz/files/apr-25-1915-gallipoli.jpg

For right or wrong not in their control - these men must be remembered.  How many young twerps from Faroffistan and the Faraway Islands or Inner Stuffdupia or Shitholere have a single clue what ANZAC Day means?  How many 'raised' in the modern Enlightened School System™ under the universally failing feminist social science using the Pascoe mode of history models?

The command was thick in the Zulu Wars, thick in the Boer Wars, thick everywhere... still thick in WW I ... what's changed?

P.S.  I never had high regard for Jim Molan - sympathy for his passing, yes ... but as a commander, not very much.  His daughter seems a chip off the old block.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2023 at 1:54pm:

Belgarion wrote on Dec 4th, 2023 at 10:42am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 9:40pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 7:40pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 5:25pm: ANZAC Day continues to be observed and will continue to be observed in Adelaide. So why then, was the wording "ANZAC DAY" removed from the official 25th April public holiday? Why not? Everybody knows what happens on the 25th April, Bias.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Yes, everyone knows. However the removal of the actual name ANZAC Day, along with Australia Day and Christmas Day, from the legislation and simply calling these days 'public holiday' indicates a lack of official recognition and a downplaying of their significance by the SA government. This leaves open the possibility of discontented groups trying to rename these public holidays and claim them for airing of their pet grievances.    What it does is it removes objections from non-Christians and non-citizens to the names of the days.  Suddenly they have nothing to protest against any more.   ::) ::)

;D Yeah well they can be told to phukk off.

And when any group in Australia try to have their former country days or cultural events(Chinese New Year, Ramadan, Yom Kippur, NAIDOC week, etc) they can be told to phukk off too ey?

You're happy for all these other groups to have their days/weeks marked on the calendar, advertised by corporate groups etc yet consider it fine to remove Anzac Day from the calendar so to
appease whinging minority ethnic groups??

You truly are a weak bastard who had no place in the ADF or anything else to do with this country in any capacity. Even being some soldiers punk. >:(

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2023 at 10:28am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 4th, 2023 at 12:27am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 9:40pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 7:40pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 5:25pm: ANZAC Day continues to be observed and will continue to be observed in Adelaide. So why then, was the wording "ANZAC DAY" removed from the official 25th April public holiday? Why not? Everybody knows what happens on the 25th April, Bias.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) So you don't know why they removed it, and couldn't give a stuff, you just accept whatever the Labor party does, is that it? Or you know why they removed it, but you're far too cowardly to say why I'll tell you why they shouldn't have removed it ... it's ANZAC day ... and future generations will be asking: "Why doesn't the SA govt recognize it as such?" I'm surprised you're so jaded and nonchalant about it, since you've got threads about remembering diggers etc It appears you're not even a half-brain lefty, seems both your cerebral hemispheres are wasting away, as happens to two faced cowards like you I once wrote an entire exam essay about why Australia Day should be abandoned in favour of ANZAC day as a national holiday.  Gained me a distinction, from memory and that was at ADFA in my Masters Degree.  Now, I knew what the 25th April was then and I know what it is, now.  I once used to live in South Australia and everybody I knew, knew what happened on 25th April.  You cannot erase ANZAC Day from the Australian Consciousness that easily.  Time you grew up and recognised that.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

So, Bwian...you submitted an essay typically asked of Year 10 high school students for an alleged post grad qualification. Please try again. 

Oh and can you make your BS qualifications a little more believable and less hilarious? Thanks. 

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 1:00pm:

So, Bwian...you submitted an essay typically asked of Year 10 high school students for an alleged post grad qualification. Please try again.  Oh and can you make your BS qualifications a little more believable and less hilarious? Thanks.

Brian is superior to us:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1622526696

Brian,

Quote:

I have a Bachelor degree with honours, a Masters Degree and a Doctor of Divinity degree. In some aspects I am superior to many posters here.   Tsk, tsk...    ::) ::)

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 1:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4th, 2023 at 10:28am: Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 4th, 2023 at 12:27am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 9:40pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 7:40pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 5:25pm: ANZAC Day continues to be observed and will continue to be observed in Adelaide. So why then, was the wording "ANZAC DAY" removed from the official 25th April public holiday? Why not? Everybody knows what happens on the 25th April, Bias.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) So you don't know why they removed it, and couldn't give a stuff, you just accept whatever the Labor party does, is that it? Or you know why they removed it, but you're far too cowardly to say why I'll tell you why they shouldn't have removed it ... it's ANZAC day ... and future generations will be asking: "Why doesn't the SA govt recognize it as such?" I'm surprised you're so jaded and nonchalant about it, since you've got threads about remembering diggers etc It appears you're not even a half-brain lefty, seems both your cerebral hemispheres are wasting away, as happens to two faced cowards like you I once wrote an entire exam essay about why Australia Day should be abandoned in favour of ANZAC day as a national holiday.  Gained me a distinction, from memory and that was at ADFA in my Masters Degree.  Now, I knew what the 25th April was then and I know what it is, now.  I once used to live in South Australia and everybody I knew, knew what happened on 25th April.  You cannot erase ANZAC Day from the Australian Consciousness that easily.  Time you grew up and recognised that.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) So, Bwian...you submitted an essay typically asked of Year 10 high school students for an alleged post grad qualification. Please try again.  Oh and can you make your BS qualifications a little more believable and less hilarious? Thanks.

Larry, where is your degree from Sydney Uni? I posted mine and you ran out the forum like a scalded cat, Booby admitted his “6 years Uni” was a lie.

Monk/Pinocchio

Quote:

Bobby admitted his “6 years Uni” was a lie.

Provide a link or apologise for lying again.




https://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Monk_001.jpg

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 1:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4th, 2023 at 10:28am: Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 4th, 2023 at 12:27am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 9:40pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 7:40pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 5:25pm: ANZAC Day continues to be observed and will continue to be observed in Adelaide. So why then, was the wording "ANZAC DAY" removed from the official 25th April public holiday? Why not? Everybody knows what happens on the 25th April, Bias.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) So you don't know why they removed it, and couldn't give a stuff, you just accept whatever the Labor party does, is that it? Or you know why they removed it, but you're far too cowardly to say why I'll tell you why they shouldn't have removed it ... it's ANZAC day ... and future generations will be asking: "Why doesn't the SA govt recognize it as such?" I'm surprised you're so jaded and nonchalant about it, since you've got threads about remembering diggers etc It appears you're not even a half-brain lefty, seems both your cerebral hemispheres are wasting away, as happens to two faced cowards like you I once wrote an entire exam essay about why Australia Day should be abandoned in favour of ANZAC day as a national holiday.  Gained me a distinction, from memory and that was at ADFA in my Masters Degree.  Now, I knew what the 25th April was then and I know what it is, now.  I once used to live in South Australia and everybody I knew, knew what happened on 25th April.  You cannot erase ANZAC Day from the Australian Consciousness that easily.  Time you grew up and recognised that.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) So, Bwian...you submitted an essay typically asked of Year 10 high school students for an alleged post grad qualification. Please try again.  Oh and can you make your BS qualifications a little more believable and less hilarious? Thanks.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif

I once challenged you to a bet, that I did serve for 10 years in the Australian Army. I Provided proof of a couple of photos.  You then promised to leave the Forum,  you have thus far failed to comply.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

When I posted my BSC degree, Pinocchio, you implicitly admitted you did no tertiary studies. That was bloody obvious in any case.

Larry lied too about Uni degrees.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 2:02pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 1:00pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4th, 2023 at 10:28am: Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 4th, 2023 at 12:27am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 9:40pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 7:40pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 5:25pm: ANZAC Day continues to be observed and will continue to be observed in Adelaide. So why then, was the wording "ANZAC DAY" removed from the official 25th April public holiday? Why not? Everybody knows what happens on the 25th April, Bias.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) So you don't know why they removed it, and couldn't give a stuff, you just accept whatever the Labor party does, is that it? Or you know why they removed it, but you're far too cowardly to say why I'll tell you why they shouldn't have removed it ... it's ANZAC day ... and future generations will be asking: "Why doesn't the SA govt recognize it as such?" I'm surprised you're so jaded and nonchalant about it, since you've got threads about remembering diggers etc It appears you're not even a half-brain lefty, seems both your cerebral hemispheres are wasting away, as happens to two faced cowards like you I once wrote an entire exam essay about why Australia Day should be abandoned in favour of ANZAC day as a national holiday.  Gained me a distinction, from memory and that was at ADFA in my Masters Degree.  Now, I knew what the 25th April was then and I know what it is, now.  I once used to live in South Australia and everybody I knew, knew what happened on 25th April.  You cannot erase ANZAC Day from the Australian Consciousness that easily.  Time you grew up and recognised that.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) So, Bwian...you submitted an essay typically asked of Year 10 high school students for an alleged post grad qualification. Please try again.  Oh and can you make your BS qualifications a little more believable and less hilarious? Thanks.  https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif I once challenged you to a bet, that I did serve for 10 years in the Australian Army. I Provided proof of a couple of photos.  You then promised to leave the Forum,  you have thus far failed to comply.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Firstly I'd like to thank you for making this so easy for me. You deflected from the truth which I posted and which exposed your ridiculous invented LIE about that essay.

Unfortunately the deflection you relied upon consists of another complete LIE. YOUR latest lie is now in large bold print.

Now you can apologise to me in front of everyone here on OzPol Bwian. FOR MISLEADING POSTERS who are reading this topic AND for LYING!

I would like to see this 'Promise' from Lisa, Brian?
As for the photos, yes you did post them.
You looked like the type who visits Bangkok.

Jasin wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 2:21pm:

I would like to see this 'Promise' from Lisa, Brian? As for the photos, yes you did post them. You looked like the type who visits Bangkok.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHERE THE BET ... AS DESCRIBED BY BWIAN TOOK PLACE? I can assure you all SUCH A BET NEVER TOOK PLACE! He MIGHT very well be confusing me with some other poster. Irrespective of that...I am expecting a public apology from him. ON THIS FORUM. IN THIS TOPIC! After that...I MAY consider accepting his apology.

Look what happened with the issues around Defence .... personal sledging all along The Western Front... daily exchanges of artillery fire.... sporadic localised attacks... trench raids ....

Send dat man wit' da nails an' da hammer quick!!

Jovial Monk wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 2:03pm:

When I posted my BSC degree, Pinocchio, you implicitly admitted you did no tertiary studies. That was bloody obvious in any case. Larry lied too about Uni degrees.

No Link - so apologise Pinocchio.


https://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Monk_001.jpg

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 2:26pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:21pm: I would like to see this 'Promise' from Lisa, Brian? As for the photos, yes you did post them. You looked like the type who visits Bangkok. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHERE THE BET ... AS DESCRIBED BY BWIAN TOOK PLACE? I can assure you all SUCH A BET NEVER TOOK PLACE! He MIGHT very well be confusing me with some other poster. Irrespective of that...I am expecting a public apology from him. ON THIS FORUM. IN THIS TOPIC! After that...I MAY consider accepting his apology.

Maybe he's hoping for a win on a Scratchy here Lisa?  ;D

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 2:30pm:

Look what happened with the issues around Defence .... personal sledging all along The Western Front... daily exchanges of artillery fire.... sporadic localised attacks... trench raids .... Send dat man wit' da nails an' da hammer quick!!

Ha! That pretty much describes this topic. I can't believe I'm in here DEFENDING myself against salvos fired by Barbaric Bwian.

Note : Dumbarse Drunk is in here filling in for the role of the demented seriously old dude (from Dad's Army). The one who's usually/typically ignored.

Jasin wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 2:35pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:26pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:21pm: I would like to see this 'Promise' from Lisa, Brian? As for the photos, yes you did post them. You looked like the type who visits Bangkok. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHERE THE BET ... AS DESCRIBED BY BWIAN TOOK PLACE? I can assure you all SUCH A BET NEVER TOOK PLACE! He MIGHT very well be confusing me with some other poster. Irrespective of that...I am expecting a public apology from him. ON THIS FORUM. IN THIS TOPIC! After that...I MAY consider accepting his apology. Maybe he's hoping for a win on a Scratchy here Lisa?  ;D

Bwian has LOST his marbles. Old age? Brain damage? Both?

I CAN ASSURE YOU ALL THAT THIS BET (AS STATED BY BWIAN) NEVER TOOK PLACE!

I once challenged you to a bet, that I did serve for 10 years in the Australian Army. I Provided proof of a couple of photos.  You then promised to leave the Forum,  you have thus far failed to comply. 

Bobby. wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 2:34pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:03pm: When I posted my BSC degree, Pinocchio, you implicitly admitted you did no tertiary studies. That was bloody obvious in any case. Larry lied too about Uni degrees. No Link - so apologise Pinocchio. https://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Monk_001.jpg

Yes, Pinocchio, you have indeed a great lot to apologise to me for. And you are too chickenshit to do so.

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 2:41pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:35pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:26pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:21pm: I would like to see this 'Promise' from Lisa, Brian? As for the photos, yes you did post them. You looked like the type who visits Bangkok. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHERE THE BET ... AS DESCRIBED BY BWIAN TOOK PLACE? I can assure you all SUCH A BET NEVER TOOK PLACE! He MIGHT very well be confusing me with some other poster. Irrespective of that...I am expecting a public apology from him. ON THIS FORUM. IN THIS TOPIC! After that...I MAY consider accepting his apology. Maybe he's hoping for a win on a Scratchy here Lisa?  ;D Bwian has LOST his marbles. Old age? Brain damage? Both? I CAN ASSURE YOU ALL THAT THIS BET (AS STATED BY BWIAN) NEVER TOOK PLACE! I once challenged you to a bet, that I did serve for 10 years in the Australian Army. I Provided proof of a couple of photos.  You then promised to leave the Forum,  you have thus far failed to comply.

Jovial Monk wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 2:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:34pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:03pm: When I posted my BSC degree, Pinocchio, you implicitly admitted you did no tertiary studies. That was bloody obvious in any case. Larry lied too about Uni degrees. No Link - so apologise Pinocchio. https://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Monk_001.jpg Yes, Pinocchio, you have indeed a great lot to apologise to me for. And you are too chickenshit to do so.

Monk,
you make up stories - you tell terrible fibs -
you won't go to heaven that way.

Bwian has logged off! He's run away in cyber fear!

Not to worry...I won't forget your lie Bwian! Of that you can be sure!

Nope, it happened as I said.

You are a terrible liar, part of your severe ASPD. You want to always look superior so you can never admit fault and apologise. That is not an endearing characteristic.

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 2:46pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:41pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:35pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:26pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:21pm: I would like to see this 'Promise' from Lisa, Brian? As for the photos, yes you did post them. You looked like the type who visits Bangkok. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHERE THE BET ... AS DESCRIBED BY BWIAN TOOK PLACE? I can assure you all SUCH A BET NEVER TOOK PLACE! He MIGHT very well be confusing me with some other poster. Irrespective of that...I am expecting a public apology from him. ON THIS FORUM. IN THIS TOPIC! After that...I MAY consider accepting his apology. Maybe he's hoping for a win on a Scratchy here Lisa?  ;D Bwian has LOST his marbles. Old age? Brain damage? Both? I CAN ASSURE YOU ALL THAT THIS BET (AS STATED BY BWIAN) NEVER TOOK PLACE! I once challenged you to a bet, that I did serve for 10 years in the Australian Army. I Provided proof of a couple of photos.  You then promised to leave the Forum,  you have thus far failed to comply.

Brian has an insecurity about Women Lisa.
He only sees women as subordinate South-East Asian $2 sukky sukkies to do his chores. Love him long time.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 2:46pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:44pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:34pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:03pm: When I posted my BSC degree, Pinocchio, you implicitly admitted you did no tertiary studies. That was bloody obvious in any case. Larry lied too about Uni degrees. No Link - so apologise Pinocchio. https://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Monk_001.jpg Yes, Pinocchio, you have indeed a great lot to apologise to me for. And you are too chickenshit to do so. Monk, you make up stories - you tell terrible fibs - you won't go to heaven that way.

I really don't think Monk gives a damn about your 'heaven' threats.

Jasin wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 2:49pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:46pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:41pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:35pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:26pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:21pm: I would like to see this 'Promise' from Lisa, Brian? As for the photos, yes you did post them. You looked like the type who visits Bangkok. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHERE THE BET ... AS DESCRIBED BY BWIAN TOOK PLACE? I can assure you all SUCH A BET NEVER TOOK PLACE! He MIGHT very well be confusing me with some other poster. Irrespective of that...I am expecting a public apology from him. ON THIS FORUM. IN THIS TOPIC! After that...I MAY consider accepting his apology. Maybe he's hoping for a win on a Scratchy here Lisa?  ;D Bwian has LOST his marbles. Old age? Brain damage? Both? I CAN ASSURE YOU ALL THAT THIS BET (AS STATED BY BWIAN) NEVER TOOK PLACE! I once challenged you to a bet, that I did serve for 10 years in the Australian Army. I Provided proof of a couple of photos.  You then promised to leave the Forum,  you have thus far failed to comply.  Brian has an insecurity about Women Lisa. He only sees women as subordinate South-East Asian $2 sukky sukkies to do his chores. Love him long time.

TBH Bwian sounds like a spineless weasel to me. He runs away when exposed and caught out...BY A GIRL ffs!

He runs away when exposed at anytime.
Same ploy as Peccary.
Being exposed by you is icing on the cake of his butthurt.  ;D

Jovial Monk wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 2:49pm:

Nope, it happened as I said. You are a terrible liar, part of your severe ASPD. You want to always look superior so you can never admit fault and apologise. That is not an endearing characteristic.

Stop it:


https://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Monk_001.jpg

Even you, Pinocchio, should have apologised long ago for crossposting my mother’s death notice. Posting your ASPD rubbish everywhere including my MRB then in muy fine forum is another matter waiting an apology.

Monk is on the Goon Squad again.

Jasin wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 3:00pm:

Monk is on the Goon Squad again.

He drinks it by the gallon.

Jasin wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 2:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:46pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:44pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:34pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:03pm: When I posted my BSC degree, Pinocchio, you implicitly admitted you did no tertiary studies. That was bloody obvious in any case. Larry lied too about Uni degrees. No Link - so apologise Pinocchio. https://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Monk_001.jpg Yes, Pinocchio, you have indeed a great lot to apologise to me for. And you are too chickenshit to do so. Monk, you make up stories - you tell terrible fibs - you won't go to heaven that way. I really don't think Monk gives a damn about your 'heaven' threats.

He was brought up as a Christian but now he's an apostate.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 3:02pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 3:00pm: Monk is on the Goon Squad again. He drinks it by the gallon.

He has a silver goon bag attached to a metal stand, while it drips down a tube and in through a punctured vein.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 3:02pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 3:00pm: Monk is on the Goon Squad again. He drinks it by the gallon.

Another lie. You lie WAY too much, Pinocchio! A gallon is more than FIVE 750m bottles.

Jovial Monk wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 3:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 3:02pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 3:00pm: Monk is on the Goon Squad again. He drinks it by the gallon. Another lie. You lie WAY too much, Pinocchio! A gallon is more than FIVE 750m bottles.

https://d2lnr5mha7bycj.cloudfront.net/product-image/file/large_13f8af40-16f0-468c-83ef-da300c6aa9f1.JPG

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 2:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:02pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 1:00pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4th, 2023 at 10:28am: Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 4th, 2023 at 12:27am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 9:40pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 7:40pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 5:25pm: ANZAC Day continues to be observed and will continue to be observed in Adelaide. So why then, was the wording "ANZAC DAY" removed from the official 25th April public holiday? Why not? Everybody knows what happens on the 25th April, Bias.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) So you don't know why they removed it, and couldn't give a stuff, you just accept whatever the Labor party does, is that it? Or you know why they removed it, but you're far too cowardly to say why I'll tell you why they shouldn't have removed it ... it's ANZAC day ... and future generations will be asking: "Why doesn't the SA govt recognize it as such?" I'm surprised you're so jaded and nonchalant about it, since you've got threads about remembering diggers etc It appears you're not even a half-brain lefty, seems both your cerebral hemispheres are wasting away, as happens to two faced cowards like you I once wrote an entire exam essay about why Australia Day should be abandoned in favour of ANZAC day as a national holiday.  Gained me a distinction, from memory and that was at ADFA in my Masters Degree.  Now, I knew what the 25th April was then and I know what it is, now.  I once used to live in South Australia and everybody I knew, knew what happened on 25th April.  You cannot erase ANZAC Day from the Australian Consciousness that easily.  Time you grew up and recognised that.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) So, Bwian...you submitted an essay typically asked of Year 10 high school students for an alleged post grad qualification. Please try again.  Oh and can you make your BS qualifications a little more believable and less hilarious? Thanks.  https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif I once challenged you to a bet, that I did serve for 10 years in the Australian Army. I Provided proof of a couple of photos.  You then promised to leave the Forum,  you have thus far failed to comply.[/b]  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Firstly I'd like to thank you for making this so easy for me. You deflected from the truth which I posted and which exposed your ridiculous invented LIE about that essay. Unfortunately the deflection you relied upon consists of another complete LIE. YOUR latest lie is now in large bold print. Now you can apologise to me in front of everyone here on OzPol Bwian. FOR MISLEADING POSTERS who are reading this topic AND for LYING!

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Larry the only liar here is you.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 2:26pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:21pm: I would like to see this 'Promise' from Lisa, Brian? As for the photos, yes you did post them. You looked like the type who visits Bangkok. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHERE THE BET ... AS DESCRIBED BY BWIAN TOOK PLACE? I can assure you all SUCH A BET NEVER TOOK PLACE! He MIGHT very well be confusing me with some other poster. Irrespective of that...I am expecting a public apology from him. ON THIS FORUM. IN THIS TOPIC! After that...I MAY consider accepting his apology.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 2:49pm:

Bwian has logged off! He's run away in cyber fear! Not to worry...I won't forget your lie Bwian! Of that you can be sure!

I haven't logged off in over 24 hours, Larry.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 2:51pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:49pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:46pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:41pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:35pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:26pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:21pm: I would like to see this 'Promise' from Lisa, Brian? As for the photos, yes you did post them. You looked like the type who visits Bangkok. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHERE THE BET ... AS DESCRIBED BY BWIAN TOOK PLACE? I can assure you all SUCH A BET NEVER TOOK PLACE! He MIGHT very well be confusing me with some other poster. Irrespective of that...I am expecting a public apology from him. ON THIS FORUM. IN THIS TOPIC! After that...I MAY consider accepting his apology. Maybe he's hoping for a win on a Scratchy here Lisa?  ;D Bwian has LOST his marbles. Old age? Brain damage? Both? I CAN ASSURE YOU ALL THAT THIS BET (AS STATED BY BWIAN) NEVER TOOK PLACE! I once challenged you to a bet, that I did serve for 10 years in the Australian Army. I Provided proof of a couple of photos.  You then promised to leave the Forum,  you have thus far failed to comply.  Brian has an insecurity about Women Lisa. He only sees women as subordinate South-East Asian $2 sukky sukkies to do his chores. Love him long time. TBH Bwian sounds like a spineless weasel to me. He runs away when exposed and caught out...BY A GIRL ffs!

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you really do have inflated ideas of your self-worth.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian comes up with x3 posts that really don't say anything except that he really doesn't have much to say at all.  ;D

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 3:30pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:49pm: Bwian has logged off! He's run away in cyber fear! Not to worry...I won't forget your lie Bwian! Of that you can be sure! I haven't logged off in over 24 hours, Larry.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Larry is an idiot. I have told him that members logged on but inactive get dropped off the list of members logged on (else the list be humungous!)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif

Jasin wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 3:33pm:

Brian comes up with x3 posts that really don't say anything except that he really doesn't have much to say at all.  ;D

Yeah - but he yawned his way out of it....

Bobby. wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 3:04pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:50pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:46pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:44pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:34pm: Jovial Monk wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:03pm: When I posted my BSC degree, Pinocchio, you implicitly admitted you did no tertiary studies. That was bloody obvious in any case. Larry lied too about Uni degrees. No Link - so apologise Pinocchio. https://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Monk_001.jpg Yes, Pinocchio, you have indeed a great lot to apologise to me for. And you are too chickenshit to do so. Monk, you make up stories - you tell terrible fibs - you won't go to heaven that way. I really don't think Monk gives a damn about your 'heaven' threats. He was brought up as a Christian but now he's an apostate.

Someone said his sect was too small and now he's got apostate trouble?  Damn ....

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 3:32pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:51pm: TBH Bwian sounds like a spineless weasel to me. He runs away when exposed and caught out...BY A GIRL ffs! Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you really do have inflated ideas of your self-worth.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

More like a wineless Spetsnaz  .. tovarich, is hunging over .. is no hairing from dog... wodka singing in head ...

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 3:26pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:12pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:02pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 1:00pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4th, 2023 at 10:28am: Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 4th, 2023 at 12:27am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 9:40pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 7:40pm: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 3rd, 2023 at 5:25pm: ANZAC Day continues to be observed and will continue to be observed in Adelaide. So why then, was the wording "ANZAC DAY" removed from the official 25th April public holiday? Why not? Everybody knows what happens on the 25th April, Bias.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) So you don't know why they removed it, and couldn't give a stuff, you just accept whatever the Labor party does, is that it? Or you know why they removed it, but you're far too cowardly to say why I'll tell you why they shouldn't have removed it ... it's ANZAC day ... and future generations will be asking: "Why doesn't the SA govt recognize it as such?" I'm surprised you're so jaded and nonchalant about it, since you've got threads about remembering diggers etc It appears you're not even a half-brain lefty, seems both your cerebral hemispheres are wasting away, as happens to two faced cowards like you I once wrote an entire exam essay about why Australia Day should be abandoned in favour of ANZAC day as a national holiday.  Gained me a distinction, from memory and that was at ADFA in my Masters Degree.  Now, I knew what the 25th April was then and I know what it is, now.  I once used to live in South Australia and everybody I knew, knew what happened on 25th April.  You cannot erase ANZAC Day from the Australian Consciousness that easily.  Time you grew up and recognised that.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) So, Bwian...you submitted an essay typically asked of Year 10 high school students for an alleged post grad qualification. Please try again.  Oh and can you make your BS qualifications a little more believable and less hilarious? Thanks.  https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif I once challenged you to a bet, that I did serve for 10 years in the Australian Army. I Provided proof of a couple of photos.  You then promised to leave the Forum,  you have thus far failed to comply.[/b]  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Firstly I'd like to thank you for making this so easy for me. You deflected from the truth which I posted and which exposed your ridiculous invented LIE about that essay. Unfortunately the deflection you relied upon consists of another complete LIE. YOUR latest lie is now in large bold print. Now you can apologise to me in front of everyone here on OzPol Bwian. FOR MISLEADING POSTERS who are reading this topic AND for LYING! Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Larry the only liar here is you.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

You disappeared for 24 hrs AFTER I exposed you for the filthy lying troll we all know you are. Then you saw fit to slither online to post a wishy washy weak weasel woven whimper instead.

At some stage...even a dumbarse like you will realise that your own posts are your worst enemy.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 3:39pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 3:33pm: Brian comes up with x3 posts that really don't say anything except that he really doesn't have much to say at all.  ;D Yeah - but he yawned his way out of it....

No he hasn't yawned his way out of anything.

He knows he's been exposed for the filthy lying troll we all know he is. Now he can apologise to me for falsely accusing me of something I didn't do.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 3:32pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:51pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:49pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:46pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:41pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:35pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:26pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:21pm: I would like to see this 'Promise' from Lisa, Brian? As for the photos, yes you did post them. You looked like the type who visits Bangkok. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHERE THE BET ... AS DESCRIBED BY BWIAN TOOK PLACE? I can assure you all SUCH A BET NEVER TOOK PLACE! He MIGHT very well be confusing me with some other poster. Irrespective of that...I am expecting a public apology from him. ON THIS FORUM. IN THIS TOPIC! After that...I MAY consider accepting his apology. Maybe he's hoping for a win on a Scratchy here Lisa?  ;D Bwian has LOST his marbles. Old age? Brain damage? Both? I CAN ASSURE YOU ALL THAT THIS BET (AS STATED BY BWIAN) NEVER TOOK PLACE! I once challenged you to a bet, that I did serve for 10 years in the Australian Army. I Provided proof of a couple of photos.  You then promised to leave the Forum,  you have thus far failed to comply.  Brian has an insecurity about Women Lisa. He only sees women as subordinate South-East Asian $2 sukky sukkies to do his chores. Love him long time. TBH Bwian sounds like a spineless weasel to me. He runs away when exposed and caught out...BY A GIRL ffs! Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you really do have inflated ideas of your self-worth.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Put down that bathroom mirror Bwian. We've been saying that to YOU for over a freaking decade dumbarse.

As soon as Brian yawns that big open mouth, the blowflies like Peccary, Smith and Karnal get aroused.

Jasin wrote on Feb 14^th, 2024 at 8:41am:

As soon as Brian yawns that big open mouth, the blowflies like Peccary, Smith and Karnal get aroused.

These multi troll IDs also get aroused whenever I log online. Why? They must love being nagged/told off by me.

Reckon you're right Lisa.
But you have a trick with a knife in dealing with them.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=strawpeople+trick+with+a+knife&qs=SC&pq=straw+people+&sk=UT1SC3&sc=10-13&cvid=441F0AE44F9148FEAB76D47E99A4B2DC&sp=5&ghc=1&lq=0&ru=%2fsearch%3fq%3dstrawpeople%2btrick%2bwith%2ba%2bknife%26qs%3dSC%26pq%3dstraw%2bpeople%2b%26sk%3dUT1SC3%26sc%3d10-13%26cvid%3d441F0AE44F9148FEAB76D47E99A4B2DC%26FORM%3dQBRE%26sp%3d5%26ghc%3d1%26lq%3d0&view=detail&mmscn=vwrc&mid=9D7CA8EC77BEC24D13009D7CA8EC77BEC24D1300&FORM=WRVORC

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 3:32pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you really do have inflated ideas of your self-worth.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

:D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Look who's talking!! Mr Narcissistic Vanity himself. 

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 14^th, 2024 at 8:29am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 3:26pm: Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Larry the only liar here is you.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) You disappeared for 24 hrs AFTER I exposed you for the filthy lying troll we all know you are. Then you saw fit to slither online to post a wishy washy weak weasel woven whimper instead.

You mean I had more important things to do than argue with you, Larry?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, fancy going to the doctor, the lawyer or the candle-stick maker being more important than you, hey?  Run along, Larry, run along, get on with your life.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 14^th, 2024 at 8:33am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 3:39pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 3:33pm: Brian comes up with x3 posts that really don't say anything except that he really doesn't have much to say at all.  ;D Yeah - but he yawned his way out of it.... No he hasn't yawned his way out of anything. He knows he's been exposed for the filthy lying troll we all know he is. Now he can apologise to me for falsely accusing me of something I didn't do.

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Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 14^th, 2024 at 8:36am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 3:32pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:51pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:49pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:46pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:41pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:35pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:26pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 2:21pm: I would like to see this 'Promise' from Lisa, Brian? As for the photos, yes you did post them. You looked like the type who visits Bangkok. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHERE THE BET ... AS DESCRIBED BY BWIAN TOOK PLACE? I can assure you all SUCH A BET NEVER TOOK PLACE! He MIGHT very well be confusing me with some other poster. Irrespective of that...I am expecting a public apology from him. ON THIS FORUM. IN THIS TOPIC! After that...I MAY consider accepting his apology. Maybe he's hoping for a win on a Scratchy here Lisa?  ;D Bwian has LOST his marbles. Old age? Brain damage? Both? I CAN ASSURE YOU ALL THAT THIS BET (AS STATED BY BWIAN) NEVER TOOK PLACE! I once challenged you to a bet, that I did serve for 10 years in the Australian Army. I Provided proof of a couple of photos.  You then promised to leave the Forum,  you have thus far failed to comply.  Brian has an insecurity about Women Lisa. He only sees women as subordinate South-East Asian $2 sukky sukkies to do his chores. Love him long time. TBH Bwian sounds like a spineless weasel to me. He runs away when exposed and caught out...BY A GIRL ffs! Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you really do have inflated ideas of your self-worth.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Put down that bathroom mirror Bwian. We've been saying that to YOU for over a freaking decade dumbarse.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif

i'd steer clear of bwian

ever been to a party and some guy was just yawning and going tsk tsk

stay well away

debby downer and nigel no friends give off that sort of "yuk' energy and you dont want to associate with it or you'll become sleepy and dull

find someone up beat to interact with

someone with a sense of humor , core confidence and expansive energy

bear grylls, steve backshaw or ben fogel are good examples

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Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14^th, 2024 at 1:59pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 14th, 2024 at 8:33am: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 3:39pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 3:33pm: Brian comes up with x3 posts that really don't say anything except that he really doesn't have much to say at all.  ;D Yeah - but he yawned his way out of it.... No he hasn't yawned his way out of anything. He knows he's been exposed for the filthy lying troll we all know he is. Now he can apologise to me for falsely accusing me of something I didn't do. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif

Now that you've (hopefully) finished SPAMMING OzPol with that ridiculous YAWNING emoticon...how about apologising to me.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14^th, 2024 at 2:56pm:

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Brian - you're boring.


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Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 14^th, 2024 at 2:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14th, 2024 at 1:59pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 14th, 2024 at 8:33am: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 3:39pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 3:33pm: Brian comes up with x3 posts that really don't say anything except that he really doesn't have much to say at all.  ;D Yeah - but he yawned his way out of it.... No he hasn't yawned his way out of anything. He knows he's been exposed for the filthy lying troll we all know he is. Now he can apologise to me for falsely accusing me of something I didn't do. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Now that you've (hopefully) finished SPAMMING OzPol with that ridiculous YAWNING emoticon...how about apologising to me.

Me?  Apologise to you, Larry?  Don't you mean you should apologise to me?  Afterall, you have consistently insulted me, belittled me, made fun of me, Larry.  I have only replied in kind.  When you apologise to me, I may apologise to you. Ball is on your court, Larry.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

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Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14^th, 2024 at 3:51pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 14th, 2024 at 2:59pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14th, 2024 at 1:59pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 14th, 2024 at 8:33am: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 3:39pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 9th, 2024 at 3:33pm: Brian comes up with x3 posts that really don't say anything except that he really doesn't have much to say at all.  ;D Yeah - but he yawned his way out of it.... No he hasn't yawned his way out of anything. He knows he's been exposed for the filthy lying troll we all know he is. Now he can apologise to me for falsely accusing me of something I didn't do. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Now that you've (hopefully) finished SPAMMING OzPol with that ridiculous YAWNING emoticon...how about apologising to me. Me?  Apologise to you, Larry?  Don't you mean you should apologise to me?  Afterall, you have consistently insulted me, belittled me, made fun of me, Larry.  I have only replied in kind.  When you apologise to me, I may apologise to you. Ball is on your court, Larry.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

You are a spineless, vain, ignorant idiot.  Is it genetic? Or are you cultivating it?

Freediver, answer the question.


Tsk, tsk,  :on :o

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;D
Set & Booby

Jasin wrote on Feb 14^th, 2024 at 7:30pm:

;D Set & Bobby

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‘A cross between a damp squib and a huge con job’
Richard Marles offers almost no new money, no immediate acquisition of new capabilities, but abounds in grandiloquent promises for the distant future.

By GREG SHERIDAN

These general purpose frigates do not yet exist, even in theory. They will have to be designed from scratch. We will no doubt add the usual crippling array of bespoke requirements. There will be a competitive tender. This will go over time. The whole process will take years.

But if this, uniquely in our recent defence history, all goes perfectly well, the government believes it could have four of these vessels in service by 2034.

Let’s remember, every other project we’ve done has seen massive cost blowouts and delays.

Only in Australia could a process like that be described as buying something off the shelf.

And let’s examine the empirical evidence for the delivery of grand defence visions.

In 2009, the Rudd government delivered a defence white paper which said that as a matter of extreme urgency Australia needed to acquire 12 regionally superior conventional submarines.

Here we are in 2024, 15 years later, still without a contract to build a single submarine, and only a fairly provisional and unsure agreement that we might buy one from the Americans in a decade.

It’s an old, old trick for governments to announce fantastic defence capabilities in a decade or more into the future and seek to give themselves massive political rewards in the mean time. It’s still a con job.

In regards to the Subs.
America will do to Australia,
what Australia did to France.
We should have got the Japs or Germans to build our Subs.

Jasin wrote on Feb 21^st, 2024 at 8:51am:

In regards to the Subs. America will do to Australia, what Australia did to France. We should have got the Japs or Germans to build our Subs.

As I have said before on this topic, the Germans and Japanese are not building what we need. Long range high endurance non nuclear submarines are a very niche market and no one is catering for it.

Should've had the GAIA Mk I up and running - we could build our own from scratch.... create our own market for them... do what the Yanks do - F-16 Export model .... not same as local ...

"Yes, indeed, Mr Muhamad Doeharta - we DO build submarines to order for foreign nations... and we install devices so they can be tracked by Australian warships.... we are, after all, on friendly terms.... in the event of any emergency we can be right on the spot.... to help of course..... at the press of a button we can find your missing submarine for you... it's a terrific extra feature...."

Belgarion wrote on Feb 21^st, 2024 at 8:58am:

Jasin wrote on Feb 21st, 2024 at 8:51am: In regards to the Subs. America will do to Australia, what Australia did to France. We should have got the Japs or Germans to build our Subs. As I have said before on this topic, the Germans and Japanese are not building what we need. Long range high endurance non nuclear submarines are a very niche market and no one is catering for it.

We don't need 'big clunker' Submarines. Just three shots and our entire Sub fleet of just 'three' are gone.
We need smaller and many more Submarines that can protect our waters more efficiently. God knows how many times these big clunkers will be in port for maintenance? Leaving just one or two of them to patrol.

We need x40 Mini-to-Medium size Submarines to patrol our Waters like Great White Sharks.

To say we need 'longer range' big clunker Subs means they're just Subs to do America's dirty work for them, rather than the priority of protecting our own waters.  ::)

Jasin wrote on Feb 21^st, 2024 at 3:15pm:

Belgarion wrote on Feb 21st, 2024 at 8:58am: Jasin wrote on Feb 21st, 2024 at 8:51am: In regards to the Subs. America will do to Australia, what Australia did to France. We should have got the Japs or Germans to build our Subs. As I have said before on this topic, the Germans and Japanese are not building what we need. Long range high endurance non nuclear submarines are a very niche market and no one is catering for it. We don't need 'big clunker' Submarines. Just three shots and our entire Sub fleet of just 'three' are gone. We need smaller and many more Submarines that can protect our waters more efficiently. God knows how many times these big clunkers will be in port for maintenance? Leaving just one or two of them to patrol. We need x40 Mini-to-Medium size Submarines to patrol our Waters like Great White Sharks. To say we need 'longer range' big clunker Subs means they're just Subs to do America's dirty work for them, rather than the priority of protecting our own waters.  ::)

Another expert in maritime warfare... ::)

Pretending to be superior in the Air like Americans are, is not the direction the Australian DF needs to follow. We will never be as good as them, nor anyone. They're the American 'Eagle' and there can be only 'one'.
We need to follow our 'cultural' strength and show our superiority in the Water. Hell, the majority of the population hugs the Coastline as it is.
Having numerous Mini-to-Medium sized Submarines around our Coastline is far more logistically efficient and less costly than just x3 big expensive clunkers that are over-complicated in their Costs to run.
The fact that an Australian company designed and built a submersible in Pyrmont (Sydney) to take James Cameron down a whopping 11kms deep shows we have what it takes.
Even if x10 Mini/Medium Subs are in dock for maintenance, etc - there can still be x30 others patrolling our waters.

Easier for China to hit just x3 targets with their numerous fleet, than x40 other targets.

Be positive, be constructive and be innovative.
Isn't that what Turnbull wanted from Australia "To be innovative!"? :-?

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Old, out-dated and tired Brian. Typical of the ADF's current situation and attitude that can't attract young people to join their ranks. Down 7% apparently and falling.
With the likes of Brian in the ranks - don't expect anything much beyond sponging off Britain and mostly the USA in all things.

Jasin wrote on Feb 21^st, 2024 at 5:16pm:

Be positive, be constructive and be innovative. Isn't that what Turnbull wanted from Australia "To be innovative!"

If the Libs and Labs built a submarine, they'd weld twenty 44 gallon drums together end to end, with solar panels, lithium batteries, and with skyrockets from Chinatown as missiles - that's about how innovative they could stretch half-brains

The Australian Defence Force is pretty crap then isn't it?!
Couldn't save itself for want of crying to USA to save its sorry arse.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21^st, 2024 at 5:37pm:

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Moron.

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useless moron.

Jasin wrote on Feb 21^st, 2024 at 6:03pm:

The Australian Defence Force is pretty crap then isn't it?! Couldn't save itself for want of crying to USA to save its sorry arse.

And they're still relying on the Traditional Anglo Aussie to fill vacancies in the Navy

I remember Brian Ross saying that if conscription was brought in again, that all young men and women, no matter who or what they are, should be called up - That'd be a sight to see wouldn't it?

Well - we got de gate locked down tight - no need for de fence!!

Bizarre - WHEN the Next Big One comes in like a screaming hurricane - it will not be the girls rushed through the doors for rapid training.... all the Bizarros also will be pushed to the back of the queue... waste of some damned fine cannon fodder that...

British RAF gone Woke mad?

The RAF Air Cadets have been accused of being 'over-sensitive' after members were ordered to stop using the term 'marksman' in a bid to be 'gender-neutral'.

Instructors and teenage cadets were told not say 'marksmanship' when referring to new shooting badges in a bid to be more inclusive.

ASIO chief Mike Burgess warns: Islamic terror our top threat China too


Spy chief Mike Burgess has warned that Sunni Islamic violent extremism poses the “greatest religiously motivated threat in Australia” and revealed previously classified details of a ­foreign interference operation that recruited a former politician who tried to link the spies with a family member of a prime minister.
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Mr Burgess said that several years ago, the A-Team “successfully cultivated and recruited a former Australian politician (who) sold out their country, party and former colleagues to advance the interests of the foreign regime”.
“At one point, the former ­politician even proposed bringing a prime minister’s family member into the spies’ orbit,” Mr Burgess said. “Fortunately that plot did not go ahead but other schemes did. Another Australian, an aspiring politician, provided insights into the factional dynamics of his party, analysis of a recent election and the names of up-and-comers – presumably so the A-team could target them too. ASIO disrupted this scheme and confronted the Australians involved.”

While the ASIO boss didn’t identify the foreign intelligence organisation running the spy ­network, Chinese and Russian spies have been the most active in Australia targeting high-value ­assets across politics, business, public service and Defence.
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“We have seen it try to recruit students, academics, politicians, businesspeople, researchers, law-enforcement officials and public servants at all levels of government,” he said.
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Following the rise of disinformation and misinformation during the pandemic, he said that over the past 18 months ASIO had “seen an uptick in the number of nationalist and racist violent extremists advocating sabotage in private conversations, both here and overseas”.

“It’s particularly pronounced among accelerationists – extremists who want to trigger a so-called race war,” he said. “We have seen them endorsing attacks on power networks, electrical substations and railway networks.

“While it is largely big talk, ASIO remains concerned about a lone actor moving from talk to action without warning. The threat from nationalist and racist violent extremism persists.”

With China and Russia operating industrial-scale, state-sponsored hacking operations, Mr Burgess said ASIO was aware of “one nation state conducting multiple attempts to scan critical infrastructure in Australia and other countries, targeting water, transport and energy networks”.
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Mr Burgess said the ASIO-Australian Federal Police foreign interference taskforce last year “uncovered and disrupted an individual working on behalf of a foreign government who wanted to physically harm an Australia-based critic of the regime”.

“The individual tried to identify his target’s home address and bank details, hired a subcontractor to take photos of the house and even asked how much money would be required to get the subcontractor to quote ‘take severe action’ against the dissident,” he said. “Even more recently, a foreign intelligence service tried to find an Australian who would be willing to make a different dissident quote ‘disappear’.”
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Following newly released details of a spy network dubbed “The A-Team”, Senator Paterson suggested it was likely China who was behind the group.

“Let me be a bit more direct than the Deputy Prime Minister might be able to, without commenting on the A-team specifically," Senator Paterson said.

"China is the number one source of our espionage, foreign interference, state backed cyber attacks, and state backed intellectual property theft. And the second place holder on those lists are not even close behind."

Former Treasurer Joe Hockey says it is “absurd” of ASIO chief Mike Burgess to detail the actions of a former politician influenced by a foreign spy group, without revealing their identity.


“It is absolutely inconceivable that you would have a former politician representing their community representing the country who then goes and engages with a foreign adversary, and somehow they’re allowed to walk off into the sunset without having their name or their reputation revealed,” Mr Hockey told ABC Radio National. “That is absurd.”


“It makes us all question, as representatives in the Parliament, who we can trust, who of our current and former colleagues can we trust?”

Waving the Flag, a White One

Between medical exemption for psychiatric reasons, conscientious objection and lawsuits for discrimination, I doubt that more than 1 per cent of those conscripted would ever end up in the army, and a good proportion of those few would probably be useless.

What are now commonly called mental health issues would become even more prevalent than they already are, doctors being too pusillanimous to refuse to provide the requisite medical certificates to all those who want them. Besides, who can prove that someone is not mentally unfit for something? In England now, it is not uncommon to hear people claiming that they suffer from mental health, meaning that they have, or claim to have, or behave as if they had, a psychiatric disorder as defined in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association (Fifth Edition), according to which practically all human thought or conduct is pathological—as compared with that of mice or rabbits, perhaps. 

But the real difficulty standing in the way of such schemes would be that no one believes any longer that the country has a right to defend itself, because of its uniquely woeful past. I am far from a flag-wagger or belligerent militarist and am temperamentally unsuited to the military life: but there are circumstances in which I would be prepared to fight and indeed would consider it my duty to do so. War is hell, certainly, but there might be times when not waging it is worse.
Anthony Daniels (aka Theodore Dalrymple)

In talking to Australian high school audiences, I found, when I asked directly, that only one in ten … were prepared to fight for their country. —  Ukrainian Ambassador Vasyl Myroshnychenk at ADF Academy, April 12, 2023

In April 2023, the Albanese Government’s National Defence: Defence Strategic Review declared the Australian Defence Force (ADF) to be “not fully fit for purpose” to meet the most dangerous strategic environment facing the country since the Second World War. Such a frank statement, with its haunting echoes of the unreadiness of the 1930s, reflects not only the ADF’s materiel shortcomings, but serious weaknesses in its military education. If wars are first prepared for in the minds of an officer corps, then, a “not fully fit for purpose” defence force is failing in the intellectual preparation of its personnel.
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The Australian-born British general Sir John Hackett, in his seminal 1983 book The Profession of Arms, warned that the military is simultaneously a shield and a mirror of a democratic society. Reflecting on military recruitment in democracies, Hackett famously wrote: “When a country looks at its fighting forces, it is looking into a mirror. What a society gets from its armed services is exactly what it asks for, no more or less.” For Hackett, this social mirror was all the more reason for the military to ensure that those who join its ranks embrace an austere professional ethos free from contemporary ideological fetishes. While Australia’s democratic civil society can, in the name of liberal tolerance, accept unpalatable currents of cultural and intellectual behaviour, a small, regular military such as the ADF must relentlessly guard itself against negative social forces that may threaten to overwhelm its ethos and cohesion as a fighting force.

The effectiveness of the Australian profession of arms depends on a rigorous military education that is at once unique and specialised for the needs of warfare. Yet, in the twenty-first century we are faced with an unprecedented decay of Australian military education which, if not reversed, may impair the operational and strategic proficiency of our forces. Today’s ADF is an undermanned, “come as you are” military with little reserve strength or expansion base, and no evident plans exist for the mobilisation of the population to defend our way of life. For these reasons, a military failure—especially in the first act of any future major war—is likely to be disastrous for our political fortunes. The ADF must be an educated force that is able to fight and hold its own in the first battle of the next major war, if only to buy precious time for the nation to recover its senses and rally around the flag.
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But the ADF is keen to embrace every contemporary ideological fetish.

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 4^th, 2023 at 1:54pm:

What it does is it removes objections from non-Christians and non-citizens to the names of the days.  Suddenly they have nothing to protest against any more.   ::) ::)

Tellembuggerem.


Former army chief Peter Leahy has warned a decline in national pride is at the heart of the Australian Defence Force’s personnel crisis, arguing a culture of entitlement, identity politics and victimhood is diminishing the pool of potential recruits.


Professor Leahy said life in the military was about service, but Australians today were less concerned about the national interest than the interests of narrowly defined groups.

“Perhaps the biggest issue about who will fight for Australia is a decline in national pride and a dilution of an Australian identity and culture,” he said in a paper for the RSL.

“In contrast, there is a sense of entitlement and self-indulgence … suggesting that the nation owes individuals something.

“There are too many identities and too many flags. Whether it harks back to place of origin or some narrow interest-motivated sentiment, too many people and groups want special treatment and consideration. It doesn’t leave much space for Australia.”

The government recently unveiled a new Defence recruitment campaign, selling life in the ADF as a “career with impact”. But Professor Leahy said the advertisements failed to tap into the pride and traditions that have characterised military service.

“Recruiting advertisements resemble lifestyle commercials and emphasise what the ADF can do for you. Not much mention of what you can do for your country,” he said.

“Military service is about purpose, values and loyalty. It is about service and sacrifice and contributing to something bigger than yourself.  It is also about fighting and the application of lethal force on the battlefield.  ADF recruiting commercials are muted on this nature of service in the defence force.”

The University of Canberra professor pointed to a 2023 social cohesion survey that revealed a slump in national identity, with just 33 per cent saying they took “pride in the Australian way of life and culture”, compared to 58 per cent in 2007.

Professor Leahy said it was unsurprising that “some seek to denigrate the ADF and the notion of service” given the debate over the legitimacy of Australia Day, and he accused politicians of manipulating the debate over identity to secure electoral advantage.

“What is our sense of being Australian if it is not about being part of a team and committing to the group and contributing to something bigger than yourself?” he said.

“Our politicians talk about ­social cohesion and offer multiple paths. Unfortunately, some current perspectives on social ­cohesion focus on electoral ­prospects rather than building and strengthening ‘Brand ­Australia’ and unifying the nation.”

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Brian Ross wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 10:08am:

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Case in point - Bbwiyawn of the Twilight Mind. And mong is a 'moderator' for the Defence MRB. GO FIGURE.




“Perhaps the biggest issue about who will fight for Australia is a decline in national pride and a dilution of an Australian identity and culture,” he said in a paper for the RSL.

“In contrast, there is a sense of entitlement and self-indulgence … suggesting that the nation owes individuals something.

“There are too many identities and too many flags. Whether it harks back to place of origin or some narrow interest-motivated sentiment, too many people and groups want special treatment and consideration. It doesn’t leave much space for Australia.”

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Brian is a pro terrorist.
Brian is also just a forum troll

It is possible to some extent to fake leadership even if one is not genuinely capable of it. Albanese’s failure to grasp the importance of anti-Semitism as a galvanising threat to Australian values undermines his leadership going into the federal election.



What should Albanese do? First, he should tell his police and intelligence agency heads to give the media a break for a while. He will take the lead. The PM should ask Peter Dutton for a ceasefire in election campaigning and convene in Canberra a summit at parliament bringing the nation’s great and good together to focus minds, wallets, officials and media on finding a national path away from this ancient hatred.

Then, the PM should drive the bureaucracy like he really wanted a priority on anti-Semitism. No more databases, monthly police meetings and assurances of everything being under control.

Does this fix the problem? Of course not, but it would show a prime minister taking it seriously, not blaming his failure to seize the day because he was in a car or a plane, or because he was exercising, or because a meeting couldn’t happen because the room wasn’t secure, or he was in the wrong town.

After nearly 16 months of this nonsense I harbour no illusions that Albanese will, or even can, grasp the nettle. He has not done so up to now. He won’t in coming months.

“No ongoing threat to the community”? What absolute unremitting nonsense. We are a coin toss away from a mass casualty attack. People are planning it. They are itching to do it. It will finish off Albanese’s leadership as sure as it will harm the innocents among us.
Peter Jennings

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