The muslims are distancing themselves from Hamas.

Those who support a ceasefire in Gaza are supporting terrorists.

Since they mentioned the Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist group that is outlawed in many countries why haven't we outlawed them, is it because leftists will accuse people of being Islamopobic?

It also mentions Iran as a state sponsor of terrorism guilty of murdering muslims and non muslims inside and outside of Iran.

For some reason i can't cut and paste it you have to read it for yourself.

https://fatwacouncil.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/English-Resolution-Document-of-Fatwa-No.-F02301-compressed.pdf

This Fatwa also shows every muslim protestor and their apologists chanting river to the sea supports terrorists.

Hamas is ISIS and must be eliminated we never called for those fighting ISIS to ceasefire.

The Fatwa mentioned

Hamas using human shields
Hamas using child soldiers
Hamas leaders stealing foreign aid.
There is more people should read it.

Hamas is ISIS

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Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 13^th, 2023 at 12:25am:

The muslims are distancing themselves from Hamas. Those who support a ceasefire in Gaza are supporting terrorists. Since they mentioned the Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist group that is outlawed in many countries why haven't we outlawed them, is it because leftists will accuse people of being Islamopobic? It also mentions Iran as a state sponsor of terrorism guilty of murdering muslims and non muslims inside and outside of Iran. For some reason i can't cut and paste it you have to read it for yourself. https://fatwacouncil.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/English-Resolution-Document-of-Fatwa-No.-F02301-compressed.pdf This Fatwa also shows every muslim protestor and their apologists chanting river to the sea supports terrorists. Hamas is ISIS and must be eliminated we never called for those fighting ISIS to ceasefire.

They love Mohammed more than their children.

For slovenly fatalists like Muslims, the future is not something they shape. It's all in Allah's hands.
Pleasing Allah as martyrs now is all that matters. Insh'allah.

Quote:

Gaza: Armed Palestinian Groups Commit Grave Crimes June 12, 2007 Fighters Execute Captives, Attack Hospital, Put Journalists at Serious Risk During recent fighting in the Gaza Strip, armed Palestinian groups have committed serious violations of international humanitarian law, in some cases amounting to war crimes, Human Rights Watch said today. In internal Palestinian fighting over the last three days, both Fatah and Hamas military forces have summarily executed captives, killed people not involved in hostilities, and engaged in gun battles with one another inside and near Palestinian hospitals.  On Saturday, armed Palestinians from Islamic Jihad and the Fatah-affiliated Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade used a vehicle with a “TV” insignia to attack an Israeli military position on the border with Gaza. “These attacks by both Hamas and Fatah constitute brutal assaults on the most fundamental humanitarian principles,” said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East director for Human Rights Watch. “The murder of civilians not engaged in hostilities and the willful killing of captives are war crimes, pure and simple.” On Sunday, Hamas military forces captured 28-year-old Muhammad Swairki, a cook for President Mahmoud Abbas’s presidential guard, and executed him by throwing him to his death, with his hands and legs tied, from a 15-story apartment building in Gaza City. Later that night, Fatah military forces shot and captured Muhammad al-Ra’fati, a Hamas supporter and mosque preacher, and threw him from a Gaza City high-rise apartment building. On Monday, Hamas military forces attacked the home in Beit Lahiya of Jamal Abu al-Jadiyan, a senior Fatah official, captured him, and executed him on the street with multiple gunshots. On Tuesday, there were reports of additional killings of individuals not involved in hostilities. In addition, Fatah and Hamas forces engaged in battles in and around two Gaza Strip hospitals on Monday. After Hamas fighters killed Fatah intelligence officer Yasir Bakar, Fatah gunmen began firing mortars and rocket-propelled grenades at Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, drawing Hamas fire from inside the building, killing one Hamas and one Fatah fighter. At a hospital in Beit Hanun, three family members with ties to Fatah, `Id al-Masri and his sons, Farij and Ibrahim, were killed, and others wounded. Hospital officials reported that the three were being treated for injuries sustained earlier. One was reportedly shot at close range. In the June 9 incident, four armed Palestinians drove a white jeep bearing “TV” insignias to a fence on the Gaza-Israel border and fired at Israeli soldiers. The Israelis returned fire, killing one Palestinian. Spokesmen for Islamic Jihad and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, an offshoot of Fatah, claimed responsibility for the attack. An Islamic Jihad spokesperson denied that Palestinians had put press markings on the jeep used in the June 9 attack, and accused the Israeli military of doing so after the fact. However, photos taken by the Associated Press as the attack was under way show the letters “TV” written in red on the front of the jeep. “Using a vehicle with press markings to carry out a military attack is a serious violation of the laws of war, and it also puts journalists at risk,” said Whitson. The deliberate abuse of this protected status in order to breach the confidence of an adversary in an attempt to kill, injure or capture them, would amount to an act of perfidy, a serious violation of international humanitarian law. https://www.hrw.org/news/2007/06/12/gaza-armed-palestinian-groups-commit-grave-crimes

Hamas have a long record of war crimes the leftards ignore.

This Fatwa was done between the 4 and 5th war Hamas started with Israel.

The UAE, Saudis,Bahrain etc have all outlawed the Muslim Brotherhood and all of its variants.

Will our politicians grow a backbone and do the same?

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Amjad Taha أمجد طه @amjadt25 #Hamas terrorists, leaders in Gaza, appeared on Yemen's Houthi Iran-proxy TV(archived) and clearly stated that after finishing with #Gaza, they aim to attack the EU and the USA to establish a caliphate. Even Hamas doesn't believe they are a resistance group, and they have openly declared this. On October 7th, they, not #Israel, recorded their own atrocities. https://twitter.com/amjadt25/status/1735603680416530938

You have to listen to what Hamas says.

If you're a leftist we get this type of reaction.

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How many Israeli hostages have the IDF murdered today?

I'm curious.

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 16^th, 2023 at 10:46pm:

Quote: Amjad Taha أمجد طه @amjadt25 #Hamas terrorists, leaders in Gaza, appeared on Yemen's Houthi Iran-proxy TV(archived) and clearly stated that after finishing with #Gaza, they aim to attack the EU and the USA to establish a caliphate. Even Hamas doesn't believe they are a resistance group, and they have openly declared this. On October 7th, they, not #Israel, recorded their own atrocities. https://twitter.com/amjadt25/status/1735603680416530938 You have to listen to what Hamas says. If you're a leftist we get this type of reaction.

yeah

its a death cult

sam harris explains
very smart liberal is sam

As everyone expected, collateral damage in Gaza has convinced much of the world that Israel is the real aggressor here. Of course, many on the Left began saying this before Israel had dropped a single bomb, at a moment when it was clear that Hamas had committed atrocities of a sort that one scarcely imagines possible in the modern world. The fact that millions of people can’t do the moral arithmetic here, or have confidently produced the wrong answer, is itself an enormous problem for open societies everywhere—because this should not have been confusing. Hamas took a sadistic pleasure in torturing and killing noncombatants that should have made it instantly clear, to everyone, certainly everyone on a college campus, that jihadist groups like Hamas are the permanent enemies of civilization.

So, Israel really does have a war to fight, but I worry that the ground invasion of Gaza could be a mistake. A different approach has been discussed in a few contexts: I believe Jocko Willink suggested something like this on his podcast (as many of you know Jocko is a Navy Seal who led the Seals in the battle of Ramadi. So he knows a lot about urban warfare and counterinsurgency). A similar idea was recently described in an article by Bret Stephens in the New York Times, recommending that Israel provide humanitarian corridors for civilians to leave northern Gaza, and safe zones in the South and perhaps in Israel itself where people can be protected. And then the IDF could simply starve Hamas in their tunnels, without much more extensive bombing, much less a full ground invasion. Perhaps there are reasons why this just wouldn’t work—that’s totally possible. It would certainly take a long time, because Hamas has spent most of Gaza’s resources—billions of dollars in humanitarian aid meant for the Palestinians—building hundreds of miles of tunnels and fortifying them with food, water, and fuel so that they could wage jihad, all the while the world holds Israel responsible for the deprivations of the Palestinian people. The Palestinians of Gaza have been deprived of food, water, and fuel—and most other good things—by Hamas.

So, I can’t say whether this siege idea really is a good one. But if a siege of this sort were possible, it would have obvious advantages. It would signal a clear commitment to not harming innocent civilians—though some would inevitably be harmed, because Hamas is using their entire society as human shields—and there is no question that some not-so-innocent civilians would arrive at humanitarian checkpoints as suicide bombers, and there would an infuriating loss of civilian life there, even as Israel took great pains to protect it. But an approach like this would have denied Hamas a long series of propaganda victories, based on the terrible imagery that has been coming out of Gaza. However, all of this may just be moot, in the end. Because, as I said, much of the world took Hamas’s side before a single Israeli bomb fell. And that is what is so astonishing and so dangerous and so in need of criticism.

However, I want to say something about the extreme moral confusion we have witnessed in recent weeks. Some of it has been just frank anti-Semitism, which I’ll also talk about, but much is actual confusion. Most people in the West still don’t understand the problem of jihadism. We often speak about “terrorism” and “violent extremism” generically. And we are told that any linkage between these evils and the doctrine of Islam is spurious, and nothing more than an expression “Islamophobia.” Incidentally, the term “Islamophobia” was invented in the 1970s by Iranian theocrats, to do just this: prevent any criticism of Islam and to cast secularism itself as a form of bigotry. Islam is a system of ideas, subscribed to by people of every race and ethnicity. It’s just like Christianity in that regard. Unlike Judaism, Christianity and Islam are both aggressively missionary faiths, and they win converts from everywhere. People criticize the doctrines of the Christianity all the time and worry about their political and social influences—but no one confuses this for bigotry against Christians as people, much less racism. There’s no such thing as “Christophobia.” As someone once said (it was not Christopher Hitchens, but it sure sounds like him): “Islamophobia is a term created by fascists, and used by cowards, to manipulate morons.”

In any case, fundamentalist Christians and Orthodox Jews don’t tend to be confused about the problem of jihadism because they understand the power of religious beliefs, however secular people generally are. We imagine that people everywhere, at bottom, want the same things: They want to live safe and prosperous lives. They want clean drinking water and good schools for their kids. And we imagine that if whole groups of people start behaving in extraordinarily destructive ways—practicing suicidal terrorism against noncombatants, for instance—they must have been pushed into extremis by others. What could turn ordinary human beings into suicide bombers, and what could get vast numbers of their neighbors to celebrate them as martyrs, other than their entire society being oppressed and humiliated to the point of madness by some malign power? So, in the case of Israel, many people imagine that the ghoulish history Palestinian terrorism simply indicates how profound the injustice has been on the Israeli side.

Now, there are many things to be said in criticism of Israel, in particular its expansion of settlements on contested land. But Israel’s behavior is not what explains the suicidal and genocidal inclinations of a group like Hamas. The Islamic doctrines of martyrdom and jihad do.

These are religious beliefs, sincerely held. They are beliefs about the moral structure of the universe. And they explain how normal people—even good ones—can commit horrific acts of violence against innocent civilians—on purpose, not as collateral damage—and still consider themselves good. When you believe that life in this world has no value, apart from deciding who goes to hell and who goes to Paradise, it becomes possible to feel perfectly at ease killing noncombatants, or even using your own women and children as human shields, because you know that any Muslims who get killed will go to Paradise for eternity.

If you don’t understand that jihadists sincerely believe these things, you don’t understand the problem Israel faces. The problem isn’t merely Palestinian nationalism, or resource competition, or any other normal terrestrial grievance. In fact, the problem isn’t even hatred, though there is enough of that to go around. The problem is religious certainty.

It really is possible to be critical of Israel, and to be committed to the political rights of the Palestinian people, without being confused about the reality of Islamic religious fanaticism—or the threat that it poses not just to Israel, but to open societies everywhere. My friend Christopher Hitchens was extremely critical of Israel, and openly supportive of Palestinian statehood. But he wasn’t even slightly confused about the problem of jihad.

There have been nearly 50,000 acts of Islamic terrorism in the last 40 years—and the French group that maintains a database of these attacks [https://www.fondapol.org/en/study/islamist-terrorist-attacks-in-the-world-1979-2021/] considers that to be an undercount. Ninety percent of them have occurred in Muslim countries. Most have nothing to do with Israel or the Jews. There have been 82 attacks in France and over 2000 in Pakistan during this period. You want France to be more like Pakistan? You just need more jihadists. You just need more people susceptible to becoming jihadists, which is a transformation that can happen very quickly—just as quickly as new beliefs can take root in a person’s mind. You just need a wider Muslim community that doesn’t condemn jihadism, but tacitly admits that the theology that inspires it will be true and perfect until the end of the world. You just need millions of people who will protest Israel for defending itself, or call for the deaths of cartoonists for depicting the prophet Muhammad, and yet not make a peep about the jihadist atrocities that occur daily, all over the world, in the name of their religion.

aquascoot wrote on Dec 17^th, 2023 at 7:21am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 16th, 2023 at 10:46pm: Quote: Amjad Taha أمجد طه @amjadt25 #Hamas terrorists, leaders in Gaza, appeared on Yemen's Houthi Iran-proxy TV(archived) and clearly stated that after finishing with #Gaza, they aim to attack the EU and the USA to establish a caliphate. Even Hamas doesn't believe they are a resistance group, and they have openly declared this. On October 7th, they, not #Israel, recorded their own atrocities. https://twitter.com/amjadt25/status/1735603680416530938 You have to listen to what Hamas says. If you're a leftist we get this type of reaction. yeah its a death cult sam harris explains very smart liberal is sam

Sums up homosexuality in a way, when those Lefties support Hamas.

aquascoot wrote on Dec 17^th, 2023 at 7:25am:

If you don’t understand that jihadists sincerely believe these things, you don’t understand the problem Israel faces. The problem isn’t merely Palestinian nationalism, or resource competition, or any other normal terrestrial grievance. In fact, the problem isn’t even hatred, though there is enough of that to go around. The problem is religious certainty. It really is possible to be critical of Israel, and to be committed to the political rights of the Palestinian people, without being confused about the reality of Islamic religious fanaticism—or the threat that it poses not just to Israel, but to open societies everywhere. My friend Christopher Hitchens was extremely critical of Israel, and openly supportive of Palestinian statehood. But he wasn’t even slightly confused about the problem of jihad. There have been nearly 50,000 acts of Islamic terrorism in the last 40 years—and the French group that maintains a database of these attacks [https://www.fondapol.org/en/study/islamist-terrorist-attacks-in-the-world-1979-2021/] considers that to be an undercount. Ninety percent of them have occurred in Muslim countries. Most have nothing to do with Israel or the Jews. There have been 82 attacks in France and over 2000 in Pakistan during this period. You want France to be more like Pakistan? You just need more jihadists. You just need more people susceptible to becoming jihadists, which is a transformation that can happen very quickly—just as quickly as new beliefs can take root in a person’s mind. You just need a wider Muslim community that doesn’t condemn jihadism, but tacitly admits that the theology that inspires it will be true and perfect until the end of the world. You just need millions of people who will protest Israel for defending itself, or call for the deaths of cartoonists for depicting the prophet Muhammad, and yet not make a peep about the jihadist atrocities that occur daily, all over the world, in the name of their religion.

Again, most of this horror has nothing to do with Israel or the West. In 2014, six jihadis affiliated with the Pakistani Taliban attacked a school in Peshawar. These jihadis came from outside of Pakistan—there was a Chechen, two Afghans, and three Arabs. They murdered 145 people, 132 of whom were children. They burned a teacher alive in front of her students, and then killed all the children they could get their hands on. They didn’t take any hostages. They had no list of demands. They intended to die to achieve martyrdom. And they did die, so they got at least half of what they wanted. It is very difficult for secular people to understand how this behavior could be possible. They assume only madmen would do this sort of thing.

But that’s the horror of it—you don’t have to be mad to be a jihadist. You don’t even have to be a bad person. You just have to be a true believer. You just have to know, for sure, that you and all the good people will get everything you want after you die, and that the Creator of the Universe wants nothing more than for you to kill unbelievers. Here is what a supporter of the Pakistani Taliban said when interviewed about the school massacre:

Human life only has value among you worldly materialist thinkers. For us, this human life is only a tiny, meaningless fragment of our existence. Our real destination is the Hereafter. We don’t just believe it exists, we know it does.

Death is not the end of life. It is the beginning of existence in a world much more beautiful than this. As you know, the [Urdu] word for death is “intiqaal.” It means “transfer,” not “end.”

Paradise is for those of pure hearts. All children have pure hearts. They have not sinned yet… They have not yet been corrupted by [their kafir parents]. We did not end their lives. We gave them new ones in Paradise, where they will be loved more than you can imagine.

They will be rewarded for their martyrdom. After all, we also martyr ourselves with them. The last words they heard were the slogan of Takbeer [“Allah u Akbar”].

Allah Almighty says Himself in Surhah Al-Imran [3:169-170] that they are not dead.

You will never understand this. If your faith is pure, you will not mourn them, but celebrate their birth into Paradise.
Ibid.



You cannot have a peaceful, open, prosperous, enlightened society with more and more people who believe this stuff. Islam and liberal democracy are a radically incommensurate and irreconcilable.

Frank wrote on Dec 17^th, 2023 at 7:57am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 17th, 2023 at 7:25am: If you don’t understand that jihadists sincerely believe these things, you don’t understand the problem Israel faces. The problem isn’t merely Palestinian nationalism, or resource competition, or any other normal terrestrial grievance. In fact, the problem isn’t even hatred, though there is enough of that to go around. The problem is religious certainty. It really is possible to be critical of Israel, and to be committed to the political rights of the Palestinian people, without being confused about the reality of Islamic religious fanaticism—or the threat that it poses not just to Israel, but to open societies everywhere. My friend Christopher Hitchens was extremely critical of Israel, and openly supportive of Palestinian statehood. But he wasn’t even slightly confused about the problem of jihad. There have been nearly 50,000 acts of Islamic terrorism in the last 40 years—and the French group that maintains a database of these attacks [https://www.fondapol.org/en/study/islamist-terrorist-attacks-in-the-world-1979-2021/] considers that to be an undercount. Ninety percent of them have occurred in Muslim countries. Most have nothing to do with Israel or the Jews. There have been 82 attacks in France and over 2000 in Pakistan during this period. You want France to be more like Pakistan? You just need more jihadists. You just need more people susceptible to becoming jihadists, which is a transformation that can happen very quickly—just as quickly as new beliefs can take root in a person’s mind. You just need a wider Muslim community that doesn’t condemn jihadism, but tacitly admits that the theology that inspires it will be true and perfect until the end of the world. You just need millions of people who will protest Israel for defending itself, or call for the deaths of cartoonists for depicting the prophet Muhammad, and yet not make a peep about the jihadist atrocities that occur daily, all over the world, in the name of their religion. Again, most of this horror has nothing to do with Israel or the West. In 2014, six jihadis affiliated with the Pakistani Taliban attacked a school in Peshawar. These jihadis came from outside of Pakistan—there was a Chechen, two Afghans, and three Arabs. They murdered 145 people, 132 of whom were children. They burned a teacher alive in front of her students, and then killed all the children they could get their hands on. They didn’t take any hostages. They had no list of demands. They intended to die to achieve martyrdom. And they did die, so they got at least half of what they wanted. It is very difficult for secular people to understand how this behavior could be possible. They assume only madmen would do this sort of thing. But that’s the horror of it—you don’t have to be mad to be a jihadist. You don’t even have to be a bad person. You just have to be a true believer. You just have to know, for sure, that you and all the good people will get everything you want after you die, and that the Creator of the Universe wants nothing more than for you to kill unbelievers. Here is what a supporter of the Pakistani Taliban said when interviewed about the school massacre: Human life only has value among you worldly materialist thinkers. For us, this human life is only a tiny, meaningless fragment of our existence. Our real destination is the Hereafter. We don’t just believe it exists, we know it does. Death is not the end of life. It is the beginning of existence in a world much more beautiful than this. As you know, the [Urdu] word for death is “intiqaal.” It means “transfer,” not “end.” Paradise is for those of pure hearts. All children have pure hearts. They have not sinned yet… They have not yet been corrupted by [their kafir parents]. We did not end their lives. We gave them new ones in Paradise, where they will be loved more than you can imagine. They will be rewarded for their martyrdom. After all, we also martyr ourselves with them. The last words they heard were the slogan of Takbeer [“Allah u Akbar”]. Allah Almighty says Himself in Surhah Al-Imran [3:169-170] that they are not dead. You will never understand this. If your faith is pure, you will not mourn them, but celebrate their birth into Paradise. Ibid. You cannot have a peaceful, open, prosperous, enlightened society with more and more people who believe this stuff. Islam and liberal democracy are a radically incommensurate and irreconcilable.

harris is a very smart fellow

i think he's right.

as we pointed out, you can take a crusifix, encase it in a glass case full of the artists urine and display it in the guggenheim and people will think youre a dick but there will be no bombs

you cant do that with mo

the lefties need to explain why

if they cant , they need to accept harris's well thought out position

The Lefty, like the Muslim, knows only the politics of hate,  enmity,  repudiation and destruction.

They do not know love, thinking, creating, forgiving, simpatico, life besides politics.

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 13^th, 2023 at 12:25am:

The muslims are distancing themselves from Hamas. Those who support a ceasefire in Gaza are supporting terrorists. Since they mentioned the Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist group that is outlawed in many countries why haven't we outlawed them, is it because leftists will accuse people of being Islamopobic? It also mentions Iran as a state sponsor of terrorism guilty of murdering muslims and non muslims inside and outside of Iran. For some reason i can't cut and paste it you have to read it for yourself. https://fatwacouncil.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/English-Resolution-Document-of-Fatwa-No.-F02301-compressed.pdf This Fatwa also shows every muslim protestor and their apologists chanting river to the sea supports terrorists. Hamas is ISIS and must be eliminated we never called for those fighting ISIS to ceasefire.

Page 29 of this Fatwa says Hamas are ISIS.

1. Hamas and ISIS recruit suicide bombers

2.Hamas and ISIS persecute religious and ethnic minorities

3.Hamas and ISIS execute people on suspicion without a fair trial

4. Hamas and ISIS call for Islamic caliphate

5...

6...

Moderate muslims say Hamas is ISIS therefore the ignorant leftists in the west who support Hamas are Islamic terrorist supporters

I think we should be sending as much money to Israel as possible to wipe this cult from the face of the earth.