Israel strikes down judicial overhaul

The polarizing legislation, initially passed in July, was rejected as incompatible with democracy


https://www.rt.com/news/590015-israel-cancels-judicial-reform-court/

After the loss to the Israeli Supreme Court The Economist now calls for Bibi’s head on a platter:

https://www.economist.com/leaders/2024/01/03/binyamin-netanyahu-is-botching-the-war-time-to-sack-him

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Bibi should start singing this song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f70Z3cvrQd0

What Arabs does it belong to?

You're just a Hamas terrorist supporter.

You do realise that the Israelis & so called Palestinians have a common ancestor?

They've been there as long as any Arabs. Whatever tribe that is. ::)

wombatwoody wrote on Jan 13^th, 2024 at 4:43am:

After the loss to the Israeli Supreme Court The Economist now calls for Bibi’s head on a platter: https://www.economist.com/leaders/2024/01/03/binyamin-netanyahu-is-botching-the-war-time-to-sack-him

Yes - he's botching it - fair warning and then carpet bombing of free fire zones would work much faster and preserve IDF lives.

Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English, or France to the French.

M.K. Gandhi   Nov. 1938

Indeed it does - as part of a mosaic of different ethnicities and various groups of whatever - not least Jewish women taken as slave wives, rape and disempowered over the centuries and turned into walking tents..... but since the Jews held the place first (after booting out the locals who are now long gone) it's only right that they stay there... just like the Britons, the various Indian tribes, the French Algerians and Indo-Chinese etc, and all the others with long tenure.... all citizens in the modern age.

Britain belongs to the Brtitish now - not just the Britons.... same as every other country in the world... France to the French of all kinds now.....  Scotland to the Scots, who are a wide range including Black these days, and not just the Picts ......

Gandhi was quite specific about that....................... though like so many such things, many need to understand language first before commenting....

Thank you for coming.................  NEXT!!

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 13^th, 2024 at 9:21am:

Britain belongs to the British now, not to the Britons...."

Whereas Palestine belongs to .......Jews?

Ancient Britons left no written records; modern Jews are fortunate to have had the writings of ancient Jews preserved via Rome's conversion to Christianity.

Correct conclusion:  Palestine  belongs to various ethnic groups, including Arabs.

Recognized in UN res 181.

Gnads wrote on Jan 13^th, 2024 at 7:52am:

What Arabs does it belong to?

Palestinian Arabs of course.


Quote:

You're just a Hamas terrorist supporter.

If there were no illegal occupation, no decades-long dispossession, siege and horrific crimes committed against the Palestinian people, there would be no Hamas.


Quote:

You do realise that the Israelis & so called Palestinians have a common ancestor?

Are you aware that most Israelis are not descendants of the ancient Jews of that land but rather are descendants of E. Europeans who converted to Judaism around the 8th century?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 13^th, 2024 at 9:21am:

.... but since the Jews held the place first

Are you aware that UN documents refer to the Palestinians as the indigenous people of that land?


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it's only right that they stay there...

Ever heard of the two state solution?

North America - ruled by Politics.
Middle-East - ruled by Military.

Netanyahu was never ever 'in charge' as a Political representative. The Israeli Military always have the last word, not the Prime Minister.

The 'Empire' of Islam is falling and will fall for good once they get their Gay Messiah from France to die for their Moslem sins.
The Empire of Israel is rising! The World demands the 'true' Military Empire to rise.

Judaism - Fall from Religion, Rise for Military.
Mohommedism - Fall from Military, Rise for Religion.

Tough luck Wombatwoody - that's the way it goes, wether you like it or not.  ;D

PS: kiss my Jewish arse!  ;)

Jasin wrote on Jan 15^th, 2024 at 7:08pm:

North America - ruled by Politics. Middle-East - ruled by Military. Netanyahu was never ever 'in charge' as a Political representative. The Israeli Military always have the last word, not the Prime Minister. The 'Empire' of Islam is falling and will fall for good once they get their Gay Messiah from France to die for their Moslem sins. The Empire of Israel is rising! The World demands the 'true' Military Empire to rise. Judaism - Fall from Religion, Rise for Military. Mohommedism - Fall from Military, Rise for Religion. Tough luck Wombatwoody - that's the way it goes, wether you like it or not.  ;D PS: kiss my Jewish arse!  ;)

And who controls the military?

'Influential rabbis, who have a considerable following among Israeli army officers, identify the Palestinians (or even all Arabs) with those ancient nations, so that commands like "thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth" acquire a topical meaning. In fact, it is not uncommon for reserve soldiers called up to do a tour of duty in the Gaza Strip to be given an "educational lecture" in which they are told that the Palestinians of Gaza are "like the Amalekites."

Prof. Israel Shahak

The Military rules the Military in Israel.
Even the religious zealots and orthodox extremists get their butts kicked by the Military.
Often these extreme Religious Jews try to exploit the Military to get their wicked religious ways against Moslems - but the Israel Military don't buy into it and stay as diplomatic to Palestine as they can.
Many times, these Jewish 'religious fanatics', come into confrontation with the Israeli Military when they don't get their own way against Moslems.

wombatwoody wrote on Jan 15^th, 2024 at 7:28pm:

Jasin wrote on Jan 15th, 2024 at 7:08pm: North America - ruled by Politics. Middle-East - ruled by Military. Netanyahu was never ever 'in charge' as a Political representative. The Israeli Military always have the last word, not the Prime Minister. The 'Empire' of Islam is falling and will fall for good once they get their Gay Messiah from France to die for their Moslem sins. The Empire of Israel is rising! The World demands the 'true' Military Empire to rise. Judaism - Fall from Religion, Rise for Military. Mohommedism - Fall from Military, Rise for Religion. Tough luck Wombatwoody - that's the way it goes, wether you like it or not.  ;D PS: kiss my Jewish arse!  ;) And who controls the military? 'Influential rabbis, who have a considerable following among Israeli army officers, identify the Palestinians (or even all Arabs) with those ancient nations, so that commands like "thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth" acquire a topical meaning. In fact, it is not uncommon for reserve soldiers called up to do a tour of duty in the Gaza Strip to be given an "educational lecture" in which they are told that the Palestinians of Gaza are "like the Amalekites." Prof. Israel Shahak

The Pallos should stop revolting. Israel will stop hitting back.

There is NO Palestinian party that recognises Israel and accepts it's right to exist.  There is no way Israel will ever agree to allow a state to be formed on its borders by such people.   They would be suicidal to do so.

It would NOT be suicidal for Palestinians to accept Israel's existence.  It would just be against their Islamist fanaticism. That's why they can't do it.


Islam. It ****s everything it comes into contact with.

Jasin wrote on Jan 15^th, 2024 at 7:31pm:

The Military rules the Military in Israel. Even the religious zealots and orthodox extremists get their butts kicked by the Military...

No, that's not the case.

From Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel by Israel Shahak and Norton Mezvinsky, Chapter Six, The Real Significance of Baruch Goldstein:

The story of the massacre committed by Baruch Goldstein in the Patriarchs' Cave in Hebron on February 25, 1994, is well known. Goldstein entered the Muslim prayer hall and shot worshippers mostly in their backs, killing 29, including children, and wounding many more... Goldstein as an army physician repeatedly breached army discipline by refusing to treat Arabs, even those serving in the Israeli army. He was not punished, either while in active or reserve service, for his refusal because of intervention in his favor.

Amir Oren, who subsequently became the military correspondent of Haaretz, wrote...

In the end the issue of what to do with an officer who openly refused to obey orders by invoking Halacha has never been resolved, even if that officer openly refused to provide medical help both to Israeli soldiers and POWS. Can we avoid being stunned by the army's failure to court-martial Goldstein? Why was no order to court-martial him ever issued by the entire chain of the army command? That chain of command included the commander of the northern command, Reserve General Orri Or [a Labor MK and later in 1994 the chairman of the Knesset Committee for Foreign and Defense Affairs], and General Amos Yaron, who now is the commander of the manpower department. Why did they refuse to decide without first consulting the chief rabbi? The already embarrassed medical corps [commanders] now [after the massacre] admit that they were scared by publicity that might have propelled the religious parties and religious settlers' lobbies to make things more of a mess than ever before. The fear of publicity time after time prompted the army commanders to give in to all kinds of Goldsteins, rather than to denounce their views and court-martial them.

Many sources corroborated Oren's hinting that this Goldstein situation did not constitute a unique case. The story told by Oren revealed the pervasiveness of the religious parties' influence in the Israeli army. Jewish orthodoxy's stance against non-Jews, as openly advocated by Goldstein's idolized leader, Rabbi Meir Kahane, was—and still is—an essential position held by the major religious parties. As such, this stance has had a strong impact upon the Israeli army. Had Rabin and the army commanders mentioned by Oren, moreover, felt no affinity whatsoever with Kahane's and Goldstein's views, they would not have given in to the religious parties with such abandon and thus sacrificed all consideration of military discipline. Israeli policies, directed towards Palestinians, other Middle East Arabs (perceived by Zionists as non-Jews) and people of other nations, are only explainable by assuming that they are based upon anti-Gentile feeling.

Frank wrote on Jan 15^th, 2024 at 9:06pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Jan 15th, 2024 at 7:28pm: Jasin wrote on Jan 15th, 2024 at 7:08pm: North America - ruled by Politics. Middle-East - ruled by Military. Netanyahu was never ever 'in charge' as a Political representative. The Israeli Military always have the last word, not the Prime Minister. The 'Empire' of Islam is falling and will fall for good once they get their Gay Messiah from France to die for their Moslem sins. The Empire of Israel is rising! The World demands the 'true' Military Empire to rise. Judaism - Fall from Religion, Rise for Military. Mohommedism - Fall from Military, Rise for Religion. Tough luck Wombatwoody - that's the way it goes, wether you like it or not.  ;D PS: kiss my Jewish arse!  ;) And who controls the military? 'Influential rabbis, who have a considerable following among Israeli army officers, identify the Palestinians (or even all Arabs) with those ancient nations, so that commands like "thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth" acquire a topical meaning. In fact, it is not uncommon for reserve soldiers called up to do a tour of duty in the Gaza Strip to be given an "educational lecture" in which they are told that the Palestinians of Gaza are "like the Amalekites." Prof. Israel Shahak The Pallos should stop revolting. Israel will stop hitting back. There is NO Palestinian party that recognises Israel and accepts it's right to exist.  There is no way Israel will ever agree to allow a state to be formed on its borders by such people.   They would be suicidal to do so. It would NOT be suicidal for Palestinians to accept Israel's existence.  It would just be against their Islamist fanaticism. That's why they can't do it.

To say 'Israel has the right to exist' is really code for,

Israel has the right to maintain its character as a racist apartheid state;

Israel has the right to continually violate International Law;

Israel has the right to use chemical weapons on innocent civilians, weapons which are banned in the rest of the civilised world;

Israel has the right to deny Palestinians the right of return to their ancestral lands and to keep them in ghettoized villages in the West Bank or in the open air prison camp of Gaza;

Israel has the right to assassinate any Palestinian who exercises resistance to their own disempowerment and exclusion.

To say 'Israel has the right to exist' is a declaration of commitment to prolonged war, ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity.

Don't know what planet you're on Wombatwoody.
But 'Military' has always 'ruled' the Middle-East.
Politics only rules North America.
...hell, both are failing in Europe - which will be ruled by Elvis and Eurovision.

Israel is a prime 'Military' nation.
Not a Political one.
Not a Religious one.

Despite 'religions' in the Middle-East. It has always been 'Military' action that has ruled the Region. Always.

Jasin wrote on Jan 17^th, 2024 at 8:16pm:

Don't know what planet you're on Wombatwoody. But 'Military' has always 'ruled' the Middle-East. Politics only rules North America. ...hell, both are failing in Europe - which will be ruled by Elvis and Eurovision. Israel is a prime 'Military' nation. Not a Political one. Not a Religious one. Despite 'religions' in the Middle-East. It has always been 'Military' action that has ruled the Region. Always.

To repeat:

'Influential rabbis, who have a considerable following among Israeli army officers, identify the Palestinians (or even all Arabs) with those ancient nations, so that commands like "thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth" acquire a topical meaning. In fact, it is not uncommon for reserve soldiers called up to do a tour of duty in the Gaza Strip to be given an "educational lecture" in which they are told that the Palestinians of Gaza are "like the Amalekites."

Prof. Israel Shahak

And to say Israel is not a religious nation shows a poor understanding of the state of affairs:

Master of War

by Tzvi Fishman
July 31, 2006

While the war is still raging in Lebanon, and everyone is talking about air strikes, ground offensives and cease-fires, it is worthwhile to remember what our sages have taught us about war.

The Biblical perspective on war can be summarized in David's confident proclamation to Goliath: "And all of this assembly shall know that the L-rd saves not with sword or spear; for the battle is the L-rd's, and He will deliver you into our hands." (I Samuel, 18:47)

Rabbi Uzi Kalcheim, in his book Aderet Emunah, writes that regarding the nations of the world, victory in war results from natural and physical causes, such as the military's size and weaponry, or the nation's resolve for battle. Israel's successes, however, come from the Living G-d. The Jewish soldier must make the necessary preparations and not rely on miracles; yet, he must know that salvation comes from G-d. Thus, we find in the Torah that "The L-rd is a Man of War." (Exodus, 15:3)

In the rise and fall of nations, and in the ever-changing sweep of history, our sages recognize that it is the Almighty who brings everything to pass. The Talmud presents an argument between G-d and the nations of the world, who claim that the deeds they did and the wars they fought were all for the sake of Israel.

The Holy One Blessed Be He answered: "Everything you did, you did for your own sakes. You built bridges to collect tolls; you conquered regions to impose taxes; and wars, I made, as it is written, 'the L-rd is a Man of War.'" (Avodah Zorah 2A)


In his book Orot, Rabbi Avraham Yitzchak HaCohen Kook devotes a full chapter to war, explaining that war is an integral part of the redemption process of Israel. He writes:

When there is a great war in the world, the power of Mashiach (Messiah) awakens. The time of the songbird has come, the weeding away of tyrants. The evil ones are obliterated from the world, the world becomes more perfected, and the voice of the turtledove is heard in the land. (Orot, Ch.2:1)
Certainly, the death of Hizbullah and Hamas leaders and terrorist fighters would make the world a better place. But Rabbi Kook is saying much more.

His understanding evolves from the viewpoint that all of world history is subordinate to the development process of the Jewish People. Our sages teach that the world was created for Israel. From this perspective, international upheavals like wars come to advance the redemption of the Jewish People. For example, in modern times, the Balfour Declaration, which recognized the right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel, was a direct outcome of the First World War. The aftermath of World War II marked an additional step in Israel's redemption, with the foundation of the State of Israel. The Six-Day War led to the re-establishment of Jewish sovereignty over all of Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria, the heartland of Biblical Israel.

These hallmarks of Jewish history, and their connection to the wars that preceded them, are obvious discernible facts. While textbooks and historians may expound a plethora of social, political and economic theories in explaining these great wars, the discerning Jewish eye can see a more exalted plan. These history-shaping wars were the instruments G-d used to return the nation of Israel to its Promised Land (War and Peace, Ch. 1, by Rabbi David Samson and Tzvi Fishman).

Thus, we say in our morning prayers, "The Master of Wars, the sower of righteousness, Who causes salvation to sprout... cause a new light to shine upon Zion." This is the step-by-step scheme of redemption. The salvation of the Jewish People and the new light on Zion come about through the Master of Wars. Rabbi Kook writes: "All of these flow forth from the Master of Wars, Who lays destruction in the land to bring forth the light of justice and holiness." (Letters of Rabbi Kook, Vol. 3:819)

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Clearly, the present war in Lebanon and in Gaza is a compulsory war as commanded by the Torah. The Rambam defines a "compulsory war" as a war to save Israel from the hand of the enemy ("Laws of Kings", 5:1). The Ramban adds that the Torah's command to conquer the Land of Israel, and not abandon it to the sovereignty of other nations, is a Torah-ordained mitzvah that obligates us in every generation ("Supplement to the Sefer HaMitzvot of the Rambam", Positive Commandment 4).

The Torah warns: "But if you will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you, then it shall come to pass that those whom you allow to remain shall be as thorns in your eyes, and stings in your sides, and they shall vex you in the land where you dwell." (Numbers, 33:55) We must remember that all of the Gaza Strip and southern Lebanon are part of the Biblical borders of the Land of Israel. Furthermore, it wasn't so long ago that the Rebbe of Chabad warned that any surrendering of the Land of Israel to its enemies (like Ariel Sharon's Disengagement Plan) would put the whole nation in danger. As rockets explode in the north and south of Israel, his words cry out with a frightening accuracy.

Thus, in addition to playing military strategist and arguing about the most expedient way to win the war, perhaps all of us should take the time to ponder what it is that G-d wants from us as missiles rain down from the sky. According to the analysis of our sages, the war won't be won until we conquer all of the Land of Israel, expel our enemies from within our borders and live holier lives in our Holy Land. May a new light shine on Zion soon.


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Also see the first post in the Zionism thread which explains how Israel is a 'thinly veiled theocracy'.

Lol. Warfare (Military) was in the Middle-East (to raid farms) long before even Religion itself was created to help soften the blow for the victims about life after their deaths, etc.
Due to the arid nature of the Middle-East, farming and agriculture took off, as did Military culture as if one tribe's harvest failed, they needed to raid another tribe's crop, etc.

This is the true nature of the Middle-East. The success of Military action, was more reliable than farming (in a wasteland) itself.
Religion came long after.

As for Politics, well - even Lawrence knew the priority. Politics is just a helping hand.

So don't bother quoting religious texts.
When it comes down to it... an 'Emperor' of Military in the Middle-East will reign supreme. Not a Politician and not a 'God' for Religion and he will be neither Jew, Moslem or Christian. Such is the way of the 'whole' world.

Jasin wrote on Jan 18^th, 2024 at 2:29am:

Lol. Warfare (Military) was in the Middle-East (to raid farms) long before even Religion itself was created to help soften the blow for the victims about life after their deaths, etc. Due to the arid nature of the Middle-East, farming and agriculture took off, as did Military culture as if one tribe's harvest failed, they needed to raid another tribe's crop, etc. This is the true nature of the Middle-East. The success of Military action, was more reliable than farming (in a wasteland) itself. Religion came long after. As for Politics, well - even Lawrence knew the priority. Politics is just a helping hand. So don't bother quoting religious texts. When it comes down to it... an 'Emperor' of Military in the Middle-East will reign supreme. Not a Politician and not a 'God' for Religion and he will be neither Jew, Moslem or Christian. Such is the way of the 'whole' world.

The Bible is our Charter.

  -- David Ben-Gurion, primary national founder of the State of Israel as well as the state's first prime minister.

I'd say it was a compulsory war generated by the vile intrusion of HAMAS murderers and the brutal deaths of 1200 or so people.

Lessee now - something like 1.7 million 'Palestinians' live in Israel and have all civil and legal rights............

The sooner HAMAS is smashed into the ground never to rise again, the better it will be for everyone.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 18^th, 2024 at 5:26pm:

I'd say it was a compulsory war generated by the vile intrusion of HAMAS murderers and the brutal deaths of 1200 or so people. Lessee now - something like 1.7 million 'Palestinians' live in Israel and have all civil and legal rights............ The sooner HAMAS is smashed into the ground never to rise again, the better it will be for everyone.

Bullcrap.

Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/


More than 60 Israeli laws discriminate against Palestinians

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20140215-more-than-60-israeli-laws-discriminate-against-palestinians/

wombatwoody wrote on Jan 18^th, 2024 at 5:50pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 18th, 2024 at 5:26pm: I'd say it was a compulsory war generated by the vile intrusion of HAMAS murderers and the brutal deaths of 1200 or so people. Lessee now - something like 1.7 million 'Palestinians' live in Israel and have all civil and legal rights............ The sooner HAMAS is smashed into the ground never to rise again, the better it will be for everyone. Bullcrap. Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/ More than 60 Israeli laws discriminate against Palestinians https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20140215-more-than-60-israeli-laws-discriminate-against-palestinians/

There is also no law that specifically protects equal rights for the Palestinian Arab minority in Israel...

The Israeli government does not recognize the Palestinian Arab citizens (approximately 20% of the total population) as a national minority, but rather refers to them as "Israeli Arabs" or by their religious affiliation (Moslem, Christian, Druzes).

Important to mention is the fact that up until today all Israeli governments discriminated and still discriminate against the Palestinian Arab minority in a systematic way and in all fields...

The law in Israel subjects the Palestinian Arab citizens to three types of systematic discrimination, namely:

1. Direct discrimination against non-Jews within the law itself.

2. Indirect discrimination through so called "neutral" laws and criteria which apply principally to Palestinians.

3. Institutional discrimination through a legal framework that facilitates a systematic pattern of privileges


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1671444180/37#37

wombatwoody wrote on Jan 18^th, 2024 at 5:18pm:

Jasin wrote on Jan 18th, 2024 at 2:29am: Lol. Warfare (Military) was in the Middle-East (to raid farms) long before even Religion itself was created to help soften the blow for the victims about life after their deaths, etc. Due to the arid nature of the Middle-East, farming and agriculture took off, as did Military culture as if one tribe's harvest failed, they needed to raid another tribe's crop, etc. This is the true nature of the Middle-East. The success of Military action, was more reliable than farming (in a wasteland) itself. Religion came long after. As for Politics, well - even Lawrence knew the priority. Politics is just a helping hand. So don't bother quoting religious texts. When it comes down to it... an 'Emperor' of Military in the Middle-East will reign supreme. Not a Politician and not a 'God' for Religion and he will be neither Jew, Moslem or Christian. Such is the way of the 'whole' world. The Bible is our Charter.   -- David Ben-Gurion, primary national founder of the State of Israel as well as the state's first prime minister.

Religion's place in the Middle-East, compared to Military is much like North America's Art industry in comparison to the Political power.
Religion and Art is for the poor 'breeders'.
Military and Politics is for the rich 'Powerful'.
That's the way it is, like it or not.
You want Religion as a Power and Military for the poor breeders - then go to South America.

Politics in the Middle-East plays second fiddle to Military Power.
As does Military play second fiddle to Politics in N.America.

That's why Netanyahu or any other Prime Minister in Israel bends the knee to the last say of Military priority.
Maybe it hurts the N.American ego to accept that the Middle-East is a more 'traditional' Military power than it is?
Middle-East is the Soldier, N.America is the Cop. Simple as that if you want to break it down to basics.

Christianity is the Middle-East's theme on Europe.
Judaism is the Middle-East's theme on Asia.
Mohommedism is the Middle-East's theme on Africa.
...Zoroastrianism is the primal Middle-Eastern theme.
And as the 3 Old Worlds of Asia, Europe and Africa are now jilting the Middle-East's Religions in favour of what will emerge from Oceania.
Don't expect Judaism, Christianity and Mohommedism to last long as they slowly fold and collapse in on themselves.

Germany has already ditched Christianity (it turned them into Nazis). Soon France will lose it and then Italy (Mafia/Vatican) and finally Britain - but in a different way.

Netanyahu and Politics in Israel is not the prime power.
Tough luck.

Jasin wrote on Jan 18^th, 2024 at 6:07pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Jan 18th, 2024 at 5:18pm: Jasin wrote on Jan 18th, 2024 at 2:29am: Lol. Warfare (Military) was in the Middle-East (to raid farms) long before even Religion itself was created to help soften the blow for the victims about life after their deaths, etc. Due to the arid nature of the Middle-East, farming and agriculture took off, as did Military culture as if one tribe's harvest failed, they needed to raid another tribe's crop, etc. This is the true nature of the Middle-East. The success of Military action, was more reliable than farming (in a wasteland) itself. Religion came long after. As for Politics, well - even Lawrence knew the priority. Politics is just a helping hand. So don't bother quoting religious texts. When it comes down to it... an 'Emperor' of Military in the Middle-East will reign supreme. Not a Politician and not a 'God' for Religion and he will be neither Jew, Moslem or Christian. Such is the way of the 'whole' world. The Bible is our Charter.   -- David Ben-Gurion, primary national founder of the State of Israel as well as the state's first prime minister. Religion's place in the Middle-East, compared to Military is much like North America's Art industry in comparison to the Political power. Religion and Art is for the poor 'breeders'. Military and Politics is for the rich 'Powerful'. That's the way it is, like it or not. You want Religion as a Power and Military for the poor breeders - then go to South America. Politics in the Middle-East plays second fiddle to Military Power. As does Military play second fiddle to Politics in N.America. That's why Netanyahu or any other Prime Minister in Israel bends the knee to the last say of Military priority. Maybe it hurts the N.American ego to accept that the Middle-East is a more 'traditional' Military power than it is? Middle-East is the Soldier, N.America is the Cop. Simple as that if you want to break it down to basics. Christianity is the Middle-East's theme on Europe. Judaism is the Middle-East's theme on Asia. Mohommedism is the Middle-East's theme on Africa. ...Zoroastrianism is the primal Middle-Eastern theme. And as the 3 Old Worlds of Asia, Europe and Africa are now jilting the Middle-East's Religions in favour of what will emerge from Oceania. Don't expect Judaism, Christianity and Mohommedism to last long as they slowly fold and collapse in on themselves. Germany has already ditched Christianity (it turned them into Nazis). Soon France will lose it and then Italy (Mafia/Vatican) and finally Britain - but in a different way. Netanyahu and Politics in Israel is not the prime power. Tough luck.

You don't know the history.

On 28 December 1960, racist Zionist David Ben-Gurion, who was the first Prime Minister of the undemocratic and racist "Jewish" state of Israel, revealed that the allegedly political motivations of the Zionists were in fact religious; and that, though the declaration of independence of Israel claimed that the state was founded as a result of the Holocaust, the formation of the state was in fact the fulfillment of an ancient religious Messianic plan of the Jews to rule the world, which the "Jewish People" had themselves fulfilled because God had failed to give them the promised Messiah.

"Text of Ben-Gurion's Address Before the World Zionist Congress in Jerusalem", The New York Times, (8 January 1961)


These racist Zionist Jews believe it is righteous to fulfill God's plan by human political action.

Propaganda bullcrap!  ;D
New York Times.  ::)

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 18^th, 2024 at 5:26pm:

Lessee now - something like 1.7 million 'Palestinians' live in Israel and have all civil and legal rights............

Utter Tripe. Israel doesn't even recognise their civil and legal rights when they're in Palestine, let alone in Israel

Dingbatstupid still posting internet memes?

Oh, you go, girl

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/as-gaza-crisis-worsens-the-albanese-government-is-on-the-defensive/ar-BB1gWXmL?cvid=5773162da36b4ff8ad2bc57f3ae566c4&ocid=winp2fptaskbar&ei=6

Well - if they've been displaced by Israeli evacuation orders - they're not being killed then, are they?

Figure fudging - worse than a 'fat is beautiful' conference..... or a tranny conference where they talk about how much they resemble a woman...

Gnads wrote on Jan 13^th, 2024 at 7:52am:

What Arabs does it belong to? You're just a Hamas terrorist supporter. You do realise that the Israelis & so called Palestinians have a common ancestor? They've been there as long as any Arabs. Whatever tribe that is. ::)

Israel is an illegal  terrorist state, so long as the state of Palestine - as defined in UN res 242 - doesn't exist.

And the US - under the stranglehold of the US zionist lobby -  is complicit in the current genocide in Gaza; the US could implement UN res 242 tomorrow (because the  rest of the world wants it), because the US can guarantee Israel's security, alongside Palestine.

Meanwhile Netanyahu is facing prosecution in Israel, and dissent over his desire to neuter the High  Court, as well as sucking up to the terrorist zionist thugs in his cabinet whom he needs, to stay in government.   



   

Israel (& Judah) have existed long before the Romans created 'Palestine' on their ancient lands to undermine the Jews and force them out along with other invasions by surrounding non-Jews.
Why do you think Israel was created where it was you numbnuts?  ::)
Palestine was nothing more than a Roman invented Usurpation.

Guess what?! Out with the Italian (Roman) Palestine and in with the resurrected Israel by the British.
Suck it up fools!

Jasin wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 1:13pm:

Israel (& Judah) have existed long before the Romans created 'Palestine' on their ancient lands to undermine the Jews and force them out along with other invasions by surrounding non-Jews. Why do you think Israel was created where it was you numbnuts?  ::) Palestine was nothing more than a Roman invented Usurpation. Guess what?! Out with the Italian (Roman) Palestine and in with the resurrected Israel by the British. Suck it up fools!

Not accurate.

'Philistine'  existed before ancient Israel, and before David's conquest of Jerusalem from the Jebusites.

The only legitimate Israeli state  today is a state alongside a Palestinian state, as defined in UN res 242.

Islam will fall, as Terrorism is the once great military 'Empire', now running on vapors.
Israel will rise as the new 'Empire' of the Middle-East.

You can't fight destiny.  ;)

Jasin wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 4:02am:

Propaganda bullcrap!

No it isn't:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1668172669#4

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1668172669/5#5

wombatwoody wrote on Jan 13^th, 2024 at 4:43am:

After the loss to the Israeli Supreme Court The Economist now calls for Bibi’s head on a platter:

Hopefully he'll be gone by the end of the year.

And hopefully he'll be prosecuted for his war crimes one day.

wombatwoody wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 6:41pm:

Jasin wrote on Jan 20th, 2024 at 4:02am: Propaganda bullcrap! No it isn't: https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1668172669#4 http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1668172669/5#5

Don't worry Wombatwoody.
What the Germans did to the Jews.
The Moslems will do to the French.

Put that in your propaganda!  ;) ;D
(that doesn't even know why)

Jasin wrote on Jan 20^th, 2024 at 7:53pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Jan 20th, 2024 at 6:41pm: Jasin wrote on Jan 20th, 2024 at 4:02am: Propaganda bullcrap! No it isn't: https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1668172669#4 http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1668172669/5#5 Don't worry Wombatwoody. What the Germans did to the Jews. The Moslems will do to the French. Put that in your propaganda!  ;) ;D (that doesn't even know why)

Just to clarify, which part do you consider propaganda?

The one where you have the Star of David = the Swastika.
Wake up to yourself!

Jasin wrote on Jan 21^st, 2024 at 7:43pm:

The one where you have the Star of David = the Swastika. Wake up to yourself!

It's true. By committing genocide on the Palestinians Israel is behaving like the Nazis.

But what I meant was that I thought you were referring to that passage describing Ben-Gurion's address  as propaganda, thinking that you probably meant the Jewish control of the world part.

Jasin wrote on Jan 21^st, 2024 at 7:43pm:

The one where you have the Star of David = the Swastika. Wake up to yourself!

The o only difference was the gas chambers

wombatwoody wrote on Jan 21^st, 2024 at 8:55pm:

Jasin wrote on Jan 21st, 2024 at 7:43pm: The one where you have the Star of David = the Swastika. Wake up to yourself! It's true. By committing genocide on the Palestinians Israel is behaving like the Nazis. But what I meant was that I thought you were referring to that passage describing Ben-Gurion's address  as propaganda, thinking that you probably meant the Jewish control of the world part.

Those dead Palestinians - you are responsible. Your condemnation of Israel confirms to Hamas that their human shield tactics are working. You must be proud of the blood on your hands.  ::)

Belgarion wrote on Jan 21^st, 2024 at 8:59pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Jan 21st, 2024 at 8:55pm: Jasin wrote on Jan 21st, 2024 at 7:43pm: The one where you have the Star of David = the Swastika. Wake up to yourself! It's true. By committing genocide on the Palestinians Israel is behaving like the Nazis. But what I meant was that I thought you were referring to that passage describing Ben-Gurion's address  as propaganda, thinking that you probably meant the Jewish control of the world part. Those dead Palestinians - you are responsible. Your condemnation of Israel confirms to Hamas that their human shield tactics are working. You must be proud of the blood on your hands.  ::)

You know that sounds just as ridiculous the tenth time you say it as it did the first time.

You're probably one of those who beats up his wife and then say it's her fault, she made you do it.

You sad, pathetic piece of poo.  Don't project your own issues on to me boy.

Belgarion wrote on Jan 21^st, 2024 at 9:19pm:

You sad, pathetic piece of poo.  Don't project your own issues on to me boy.

Why? It's the same logic you're using.  I have no idea what you do in real life but victim blaming is something you share with people who beat their wives. If you don't like the comparison then perhaps you should stop saying stupid comments. 

John Smith wrote on Jan 21^st, 2024 at 9:24pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jan 21st, 2024 at 9:19pm: You sad, pathetic piece of poo.  Don't project your own issues on to me boy. Why? It's the same logic you're using.  I have no idea what you do in real life but victim blaming is something you share with people who beat their wives. If you don't like the comparison then perhaps you should stop saying stupid comments.

The truth I have stated hurts you.

Belgarion wrote on Jan 21^st, 2024 at 9:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 21st, 2024 at 9:24pm: Belgarion wrote on Jan 21st, 2024 at 9:19pm: You sad, pathetic piece of poo.  Don't project your own issues on to me boy. Why? It's the same logic you're using.  I have no idea what you do in real life but victim blaming is something you share with people who beat their wives. If you don't like the comparison then perhaps you should stop saying stupid comments.  The truth I have stated hurts you.

You've stated nothing true.  Only stupidity,   it seems to be your forte

wombatwoody wrote on Jan 21^st, 2024 at 8:55pm:

Jasin wrote on Jan 21st, 2024 at 7:43pm: The one where you have the Star of David = the Swastika. Wake up to yourself! It's true. By committing genocide on the Palestinians Israel is behaving like the Nazis. But what I meant was that I thought you were referring to that passage describing Ben-Gurion's address  as propaganda, thinking that you probably meant the Jewish control of the world part.

Your 'predictable' statement is where you go wrong straight away. A statement so predictable, that it's been seen coming  since the PLO. Where accusations of Israel using the 'Gas Chambers' and putting kids in striped pyjamas, began to appear.

After NAZI Germany (the failed Christians). Jews were forced to no longer be a 'victim' and became Israel. Yes, they became 'Militarised', but to be so NOT like how the NAZI were. Not like the Soviets were and not like how the Americans were as 'all three' were a stand alone from the rest by a far margin in regards to WAR ATROCITIES. Yep - the Americans were a close third behind Nazis (2nd) and Soviets (1st).
As a Jew, I go by the joke 'What did Jesus say unto his Jewish People when they put him on the Cross? "Wait till my little brother Hitler (Prophet) gets you!"' Humble Cause & Effect, you could say. What goes around, comes around. All things happen for a reason. Nazism was the Jewish Frankenstein's Monster.
So this is why the lesson is learnt by Israel. The Soviets didn't learn the right lesson from the Nazis. They learned to be far worse in War atrocities and carry it on.
Thus, Israel must conduct itself (like the modern British, now with the responsibility of its 'Commonwealth') Militarily in the most 'Professional' of ways - the hardest path to follow.
This is why Israel does NOT equal Nazism, despite the antagonism of it to be so.
This is why Israel is NOT genociding Palestinians - of whom, both the women & children also conduct Terrorism against Jews. Even if concession is given to them. The nature of HAMAS genocides their own women & children, so to speak. Israel is not to blame.

Here's the catch.
What the Germans did to us Jews.
The Moslems will do to the French.
When the Moslems get their 'Messiah' (to offset their Prophet) from France to die for their sins as a sacrifice. They will put down their guns and end their 'military Empire' once and for all. They will become like we Jews once were. Even the concept of Palestinian will no longer exist in Gaza/West Bank - but as you see around the world, that is where they will continue to exist (peacefully) - like us Jews of old.
Now that Moslems are 'unarmed' - this is where Italy also fails in its Christianity (via the Vatican) and with the MAFIA in power - they will 'genocide' the Moslems.
The Moslems will pray to Allah (and the world) for salvation - but due to their past transgressions of violence, none will come to their aid against Italy... except the least expected to do so: Israel. Pretty ironic huh?  ;)
Israel will destroy the Mafia/Vatican and end that phase.
This is where Israel becomes the military protector of Moslems, as the New Empire of the Middle-East.
The final phase involves Great Britain - the nation that does NOT fail in its Christianity, but the price for it, will be its failure to remain in Europe. Britain will have to face a United Islam/Israel (Istari : I-star-I  the Jewish Star between the two Pillars of Mohommedism). Unlike Germany, France & Italy who failed in their Christianity - Britain won't, but it will fade 'into the West' to reclaim North America 'as a whole' and there it will remain, no longer a European entity.
Thus is the process of 'Colonisation' (for North America).

...as for Australia? Well, its an Eastern European thing.  ;)


So this is why your second question is defaulted as Propaganda and nothing more. As it is barking up the wrong tree for starters.
This is why HAMAS (Palestine) is barking up the wrong tree also. Islam must come to Israel 'in peace'... not genocide.

Stick to the program Wombatwoody.
I may be 'Down Under', but I'm also a 'Day Ahead' of North America and 'the West' (of Europe). The future of the Past (the West) is pretty easy to predict.  ;)

Nazi Guterres loses..... HAMAS is a lost cause due to their own stupidity....

WTF did Gutless imagine Israel/Gaza-WB were, if not a 'two state policy'?  So when one 'state' declares terror war on the other - they take what they get.... and they are losing, so in come the Universal Whiners ....

So much for the 'united nations' of split losers and Jew-haters.... maybe they could put together a peace force and actually impose peace - not that that's ever worked before.... it's always a few sovereign countries with Western trained armies that impose peace....

This is more likely to be the end of the united nations..... idiots only interested in their 'career' and 'promotions' ..... just politics as usual in a different arena ...

Oh - and Jasin?  The Russians and everyone else also had the deepest hatred of Jews - Russia used to regularly loose the Cossacks to bash them and stuff kill  a few ... it was called a 'pogrom' ... so even being 10% Jewish - I say stuff 'em all.

The UN's biggest mistake was to allow big Bully Superpowers take control for their own advantages like VETO's.
Before that happened, it was looking promising at least - under the better than nothing clause.

Jasin wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2024 at 1:04pm:

The UN's biggest mistake was to allow big Bully Superpowers take control for their own advantages like VETO's. Before that happened, it was looking promising at least - under the better than nothing clause.

... and you imagine that a simple majority of Third World countries will always determine what is right and what is wrong, regardless of their own national, ethnic, religious and so forth affiliations?  If someone attacks a 'christian' country or group .... or  (gasps)  ISRAEL!! ...  the Mussos/Africos and so forth will line up to vote to restore peace in an even-handed manner?  Don't make me laugh... better still....

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a7/5d/a8/a75da8d93ba6291985ba77ee84fb6de3.gif

You could get in line with dividie - take your delusion relief pills in front of the nurse ...

Judaism is a religious category, therefore there is no Jewish gene. Today more than 90% of Jews are not Semites (this can be easily confirmed by DNA tests). Most of today's Jews are Ashkenazi (Hazari). On the other hand, Arabs including Palestinians are Semites.

Question:
Is it anti-Semitism when you say something against non-Semites or when you kill Semites?

I guess that makes Pascoe an Aborigine then.  ;)

Belgarion wrote on Jan 21^st, 2024 at 8:59pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Jan 21st, 2024 at 8:55pm: Jasin wrote on Jan 21st, 2024 at 7:43pm: The one where you have the Star of David = the Swastika. Wake up to yourself! It's true. By committing genocide on the Palestinians Israel is behaving like the Nazis. But what I meant was that I thought you were referring to that passage describing Ben-Gurion's address  as propaganda, thinking that you probably meant the Jewish control of the world part. Those dead Palestinians - you are responsible. Your condemnation of Israel confirms to Hamas that their human shield tactics are working. You must be proud of the blood on your hands.  ::)

Why do you deny that Israel is committing genocide on the Palestinians ?

wombatwoody wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2024 at 7:47pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jan 21st, 2024 at 8:59pm: wombatwoody wrote on Jan 21st, 2024 at 8:55pm: Jasin wrote on Jan 21st, 2024 at 7:43pm: The one where you have the Star of David = the Swastika. Wake up to yourself! It's true. By committing genocide on the Palestinians Israel is behaving like the Nazis. But what I meant was that I thought you were referring to that passage describing Ben-Gurion's address  as propaganda, thinking that you probably meant the Jewish control of the world part. Those dead Palestinians - you are responsible. Your condemnation of Israel confirms to Hamas that their human shield tactics are working. You must be proud of the blood on your hands.  ::) Why do you deny that Israel is committing genocide on the Palestinians ?

Because they are not. Unless you think that Genocide stands for all wars and conflicts from now on?
USA committing Genocide in Iraq, Afghanistan?
Ukraine committing Genocide against Russia?
Iran & Pakistan committing Genocide against each other?

wombatwoody wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2024 at 7:47pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jan 21st, 2024 at 8:59pm: wombatwoody wrote on Jan 21st, 2024 at 8:55pm: Jasin wrote on Jan 21st, 2024 at 7:43pm: The one where you have the Star of David = the Swastika. Wake up to yourself! It's true. By committing genocide on the Palestinians Israel is behaving like the Nazis. But what I meant was that I thought you were referring to that passage describing Ben-Gurion's address  as propaganda, thinking that you probably meant the Jewish control of the world part. Those dead Palestinians - you are responsible. Your condemnation of Israel confirms to Hamas that their human shield tactics are working. You must be proud of the blood on your hands.  ::) Why do you deny that Israel is committing genocide on the Palestinians ?

'genocide' has become a much over-used word since the trannies got hold of it to try to say that cutting medical interventions for minors was 'genociding' them....  FFS....  every goddamned queerbag under the sun is now being 'genocided'..... just ask them.

If Israel (and the US) wanted to 'genocide' Gaza etc - they'd be carpet bombing now instead of trying to select high value targets.  The current approach undoubtedly costs Israeli lives - and the real question is - how long will Israel accept that before the kid gloves come off and they declare Gaza a free fire zone.

Gazans - surrender up your HAMAS leadership and fighters.... they will be given fair treatment, followed by a fair trial followed by a fair hanging...

Terrorists are being Genocided!!!  ;D

Fleas on Dogs around the world are being Genocided!!! ;D

The term genocide fits events on the ground:

Israel’s actions,

"are distinct from other violations of international law sanctioned or perpetrated by the Israeli government and military in Gaza — including intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population, civilian objects and buildings dedicated to religion, education, art, science, historic monuments, hospitals, and places where the sick and wounded are collected; torture; the starvation of civilians as a method of warfare; and other war crimes and crimes against humanity” – all of which have occurred “in the broader context of Israel’s [] 75-year-long apartheid, its 56-year-long belligerent occupation of Palestinian territory and its 16-year-long blockade of Gaza[.] ...

"Israel has descended to a whole new level of criminality that clearly meets the definition of genocide under the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide: “acts intended to bring about the destruction of a substantial part of the Palestinian national, racial and ethnic group.”

"... the statements of senior Israeli officials demonstrating genocidal intent ... (proves) that Israel is deliberately fighting a war against the entire Palestinian population of Gaza...

"Prime Minister Netanyahu: invoking the Biblical story of the total destruction of the Amalek by the Israelites, which Biblical passage reads in relevant part: “Spare no one, but kill alike men and women, infants and sucklings, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.”

President Herzog: “It’s an entire nation out there that is responsible. It’s not true this rhetoric about civilians not aware not involved. It’s absolutely not true. … and we will fight until we break their backbone.”

Minister of Defense Gallant:  Israel is “imposing a complete siege on Gaza. No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly.”

“Gaza won’t return to what it was before. We will eliminate everything. If it doesn’t take one day, it will take a week. It will take weeks or even months, we will reach all places.”

Minister for National Security Ben-Gvir: “[t]o be clear, when we say that Hamas should be destroyed, it also means those who celebrate, those who support, and those who hand out candy — they’re all terrorists, and they should also be destroyed.”

Minister of Energy and Infrastructure Katz: “All the civilian population in Gaza is ordered to leave immediately. We will win. They will not receive a drop of water or a single battery until they leave the world.”

Minister of Finance Smotrich: “We need to deal a blow that hasn’t been seen in 50 years and take down Gaza.”

Minister of Agriculture Dichter: “We are now actually rolling out the Gaza Nakba.”

Knesset Deputy Speaker and Foreign Affairs and Security Committee Member Vaturi: “Now we all have one common goal — erasing the Gaza Strip from the face of the earth.”

"Israeli military officials have echoed their political leaders’ calls to genocide: Israeli Reservist Major General and adviser to the Defense Minister Eiland: “This is what Israel has begun to do — we cut the supply of energy, water and diesel to the Strip . . . But it’s not enough. In order to make the siege effective, we have to prevent others from giving assistance to Gaza . . . The people should be told that they have two choices; to stay and to starve, or to leave. If Egypt and other countries prefer that these people will perish in Gaza, this is their choice.” 

"...Ninety-five-year-old Ezra Yachin, a veteran of the Deir Yassin massacre during the 1948 Nakba, called up for reserve duty as a motivational speaker to “boost morale” among Israeli troops ahead of the ground invasion, said to social media while being driven around in an Israeli army vehicle, in IDF fatigues:  “Be triumphant and finish them off and don’t leave anyone behind. Erase the memory of them. Erase them, their families, mothers and children. These animals can no longer live . . . Every Jew with a weapon should go out and kill them. If you have an Arab neighbour, don’t wait, go to his home and shoot him . . . We want to invade, not like before, we want to enter and destroy what’s in front of us, and destroy houses, then destroy the one after it. With all of our forces, complete destruction, enter and destroy. As you can see, we will witness things we’ve never dreamed of. Let them drop bombs on them and erase them.”

..."the only possible conclusion: 

"The above statements by Israeli decision-makers and military officials indicate in and of themselves a clear intent to destroy Palestinians in Gaza as a group “as such.” They also constitute clear direct and public incitement to genocide, which has gone unchecked and unpunished. The clear inference from the acts of the Israeli army on the ground — including from the vast number of civilians killed and injured, and the scale of displacement, destruction and devastation wrought in Gaza — is that those genocidal statements and directives are being implemented against the Palestinian people.  "

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/12/south-africa-appeals-to-the-international-court-of-justice-stop-israels-genocide-in-gaza/

The war on Gaza is,

"a textbook case of genocide unfolding in front of our eyes. I say this as a scholar of genocide, who has spent many years writing about Israeli mass violence against Palestinians. I have written about settler colonialism and Jewish supremacy in Israel, the distortion of the Holocaust to boost the Israeli arms industry, the weaponization of antisemitism accusations to justify Israeli violence against Palestinians, and the racist regime of Israeli apartheid...

"Under international law, the crime of genocide is defined by “the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such,” as noted in the December 1948 UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. In its murderous attack on Gaza, Israel has loudly proclaimed this intent. Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant declared it in no uncertain terms on October 9th: “We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza. No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting human animals, and we will act accordingly.”...

"The UN Genocide Convention lists five acts that fall under its definition. Israel is currently perpetrating three of these in Gaza: “1. Killing members of the group. 2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group. 3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.” The Israeli Air Force, by its own account, has so far dropped more than 6,000 bombs on Gaza, which is one of the most densely populated areas in the world... Human Rights Watch has confirmed that the weapons used included phosphorous bombs, which set fire to bodies and buildings, creating flames that aren’t extinguished on contact with water. This demonstrates clearly what Gallant means by “act accordingly”: not targeting individual Hamas militants, as Israel claims, but unleashing deadly violence against Palestinians in Gaza “as such,” in the language of the UN Genocide Convention. ...Indeed, Israel’s genocidal assault on Gaza is quite explicit, open, and unashamed."


Jewish Currents Magazine


https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide


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The justification for genocide is religious:

"... the whole question to how the Palestinians ought to be treated is, according to the Halakhah, simply a question of Jewish power: if Jews have sufficient power, then it is their religious duty to expel the Palestinians. All these laws are often quoted by Israeli rabbis and their zealous followers.

"...an even greater evil influence arises from special laws against the ancient Canaanites and other nations who lived in Palestine before its conquest by Joshua, as well as against the Amalekites. All those nations must be utterly exterminated, and the Talmud and Talmudic literature reiterate the genocidal Biblical exhortations with even greater vehemence. Influential rabbis, who have a considerable following among Israeli army officers, identify the Palestinians (or even all Arabs) with those ancient nations, so that commands like 'thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth' acquire a topical meaning. In fact, it is not uncommon for reserve soldiers called up to do a tour of duty in the Gaza Strip to be given an 'educational lecture' in which they are told that the Palestinians of Gaza are 'like the Amalekites'. Biblical verses exhorting to genocide of the Midianite were solemnly quoted by an important Israeli rabbi in justification of the Qibbiya massacre, and this pronouncement has gained wide circulation in the Israeli army. There are many similar examples of bloodthirsty rabbinical pronouncements against the Palestinians, based on these laws."

Professor Israel Shahak, [i]Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years[/i;]  Chapter Five: The Laws Against Non-Jews

Ukraine is Genociding Russians!!!

Kurds are Genociding Turks!!!
;D ;D ;D

AND:


The study of hundreds of volumes, during many years, gradually brought realization that the essential truth of the story of Zion is all summed-up in Mr. Maurice Samuel’s twenty-one words: “We Jews, the destroyers, will remain the destroyer forever … nothing that the Gentiles will do will meet our needs and demands.”

At first hearing they sound vainglorious or neurotic, but increasing knowledge of the subject shows them to be honestly meant and carefully chosen. They mean that a man who is born and continues a Jew acquires a destructive mission which he cannot elude. If he deviates from this “Law” he is not a good Jew, in the eyes of the elders; if he wishes or is compelled to be a good Jew, he must conform to it.

This is the reason why the part played by those who directed “the Jews” in history was bound to be a destructive one; and in our generation of the Twentieth Century the destructive mission has attained its greatest force, with results which cannot even yet be fully foreseen.

This is not an opinion of the present writer. Zionist scribes, apostate rabbis and Gentile historians agree about the destructive purpose; it is not in dispute among serious students and is probably the only point on which agreement is unanimous.

All history is presented to the Jew in these terms: that destruction is the condition of the fulfilment of the Judaic Law and of the ultimate Jewish triumph...

The command, “destroy,” forms the very basis of the Law which the Levites made. If it be deleted, what remains is not “the Mosaic Law,” or the same religion, but something different; the imperative, “destroy,” is the mark of identity. It must have been deliberately chosen. Many other words could have been used; for instance, conquer, defeat, vanquish, subdue; but destroy was chosen, It was put in the mouth of God, but obviously was the choice of the scribes...

From that beginning the teaching, “destroy,” runs through all The Law, first, and all the portrayal of historical events, next. The act of destruction is sometimes the subject of a bargain between God and the chosen people, on an “If” and “Then” basis; either God offers to destroy, or the chosen people ask him to destroy. In each case the act of destruction is depicted as something so meritorious that it demands a high equivalent service. Thus:

“If thou shalt indeed … do all that I speak, then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies … and will destroy all the people to whom thou shalt come” (Exodus). (In this case God is quoted as promising destruction in return for “observance”; chief among the “statutes and judgments” to be observed is, “Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served other Gods”; Deuteronomy).

Conversely: “And Israel vowed a vow unto the Lord, and said, If thou wilt indeed deliver this people into my hand, then I will utterly destroy their cities; And the Lord hearkened to the voice of Israel, and delivered up the Canaanites; and they utterly destroyed them and their cities” (Numbers).

As will be seen, the bargain about “destruction” is conditional, in both cases, on performance of a counter-service by the people or by God.

The command, “utterly destroy,” being high among the tenets of the inflexible Law, any exercise of clemency, or other shortcoming in utter destruction, is a grave legal offence, not merely an error of judgment...

This was the basis on which all The Law, and all history of that time and later times, was built. From the moment when Israel rejected them and they were left alone with the Levites, the Judahites were ruled by a priesthood which avowed that destruction was Jehovah’s chief command and that they were divinely chosen to destroy. Thus they became the only people in history specifically dedicated to destruction as such. Destruction as an attendant result of war is a familiar feature of all human history. Destruction as an avowed purpose was never before known and the only discoverable source of this unique idea is the Torah-Talmud...

“Captive” and “persecuted” everywhere they went (under their own Law, not through the fault of the peoples with whom they sojourned) their part was always what this Law ordained that it should be: to “pull down and destroy.” ...

During all this time this was the behest of their Talmudic masters, and constantly Jews rose to protest against it; but The Law was too strong for them. There was no happiness or fulfilment for the Jews in this mission, but they could not escape it.

[....]

Douglas Reed, The Controversy of Zion;  Chapter 17: The Destructive Mission

Israel Genociding Terrorists!!!

Viet-Cong Genocided Yank invaders!!!

;D ;D ;D

Jasin wrote on Jan 25^th, 2024 at 7:06pm:

Ukraine is Genociding Russians!!!

https://canadianpatriot.org/2022/04/06/bucha-massacre-and-genocide-of-ethnic-russians-in-ukraine/


Quote:

Kurds are Genociding Turks!!

::)

wombatwoody wrote on Jan 25^th, 2024 at 7:07pm:

AND: The study of hundreds of volumes, during many years, gradually brought realization that the essential truth of the story of Zion is all summed-up in Mr. Maurice Samuel’s twenty-one words: “We Jews, the destroyers, will remain the destroyer forever … nothing that the Gentiles will do will meet our needs and demands.” At first hearing they sound vainglorious or neurotic, but increasing knowledge of the subject shows them to be honestly meant and carefully chosen. They mean that a man who is born and continues a Jew acquires a destructive mission which he cannot elude. If he deviates from this “Law” he is not a good Jew, in the eyes of the elders; if he wishes or is compelled to be a good Jew, he must conform to it. This is the reason why the part played by those who directed “the Jews” in history was bound to be a destructive one; and in our generation of the Twentieth Century the destructive mission has attained its greatest force, with results which cannot even yet be fully foreseen. This is not an opinion of the present writer. Zionist scribes, apostate rabbis and Gentile historians agree about the destructive purpose; it is not in dispute among serious students and is probably the only point on which agreement is unanimous. All history is presented to the Jew in these terms: that destruction is the condition of the fulfilment of the Judaic Law and of the ultimate Jewish triumph... The command, “destroy,” forms the very basis of the Law which the Levites made. If it be deleted, what remains is not “the Mosaic Law,” or the same religion, but something different; the imperative, “destroy,” is the mark of identity. It must have been deliberately chosen. Many other words could have been used; for instance, conquer, defeat, vanquish, subdue; but destroy was chosen, It was put in the mouth of God, but obviously was the choice of the scribes... From that beginning the teaching, “destroy,” runs through all The Law, first, and all the portrayal of historical events, next. The act of destruction is sometimes the subject of a bargain between God and the chosen people, on an “If” and “Then” basis; either God offers to destroy, or the chosen people ask him to destroy. In each case the act of destruction is depicted as something so meritorious that it demands a high equivalent service. Thus: “If thou shalt indeed … do all that I speak, then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies … and will destroy all the people to whom thou shalt come” (Exodus). (In this case God is quoted as promising destruction in return for “observance”; chief among the “statutes and judgments” to be observed is, “Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served other Gods”; Deuteronomy). Conversely: “And Israel vowed a vow unto the Lord, and said, If thou wilt indeed deliver this people into my hand, then I will utterly destroy their cities; And the Lord hearkened to the voice of Israel, and delivered up the Canaanites; and they utterly destroyed them and their cities” (Numbers). As will be seen, the bargain about “destruction” is conditional, in both cases, on performance of a counter-service by the people or by God. The command, “utterly destroy,” being high among the tenets of the inflexible Law, any exercise of clemency, or other shortcoming in utter destruction, is a grave legal offence, not merely an error of judgment... This was the basis on which all The Law, and all history of that time and later times, was built. From the moment when Israel rejected them and they were left alone with the Levites, the Judahites were ruled by a priesthood which avowed that destruction was Jehovah’s chief command and that they were divinely chosen to destroy. Thus they became the only people in history specifically dedicated to destruction as such. Destruction as an attendant result of war is a familiar feature of all human history. Destruction as an avowed purpose was never before known and the only discoverable source of this unique idea is the Torah-Talmud... “Captive” and “persecuted” everywhere they went (under their own Law, not through the fault of the peoples with whom they sojourned) their part was always what this Law ordained that it should be: to “pull down and destroy.” ... During all this time this was the behest of their Talmudic masters, and constantly Jews rose to protest against it; but The Law was too strong for them. There was no happiness or fulfilment for the Jews in this mission, but they could not escape it. [....] Douglas Reed, The Controversy of Zion;  Chapter 17: The Destructive Mission

It is all very interesting but which religion, which ethnic group, which class or creed has no similar manifestos by its fringe accolades?  How many other works by Jews advocate a completely different role for the Jews? Many, many more.

Why should Maurice Samuel be takes as the authoritative, true voice over all the other Jewish voices? After all, he was just a Romanian writer, penning those words after WWI, in 1924, as a 29 year old, only a year before Mein Kampf.  Is the latter also a true expression of German aims and roles in the world?

Frank wrote on Jan 26^th, 2024 at 8:20am:

wombatwoody wrote on Jan 25th, 2024 at 7:07pm: AND: The study of hundreds of volumes, during many years, gradually brought realization that the essential truth of the story of Zion is all summed-up in Mr. Maurice Samuel’s twenty-one words: “We Jews, the destroyers, will remain the destroyer forever … nothing that the Gentiles will do will meet our needs and demands.” At first hearing they sound vainglorious or neurotic, but increasing knowledge of the subject shows them to be honestly meant and carefully chosen. They mean that a man who is born and continues a Jew acquires a destructive mission which he cannot elude. If he deviates from this “Law” he is not a good Jew, in the eyes of the elders; if he wishes or is compelled to be a good Jew, he must conform to it. This is the reason why the part played by those who directed “the Jews” in history was bound to be a destructive one; and in our generation of the Twentieth Century the destructive mission has attained its greatest force, with results which cannot even yet be fully foreseen. This is not an opinion of the present writer. Zionist scribes, apostate rabbis and Gentile historians agree about the destructive purpose; it is not in dispute among serious students and is probably the only point on which agreement is unanimous. All history is presented to the Jew in these terms: that destruction is the condition of the fulfilment of the Judaic Law and of the ultimate Jewish triumph... The command, “destroy,” forms the very basis of the Law which the Levites made. If it be deleted, what remains is not “the Mosaic Law,” or the same religion, but something different; the imperative, “destroy,” is the mark of identity. It must have been deliberately chosen. Many other words could have been used; for instance, conquer, defeat, vanquish, subdue; but destroy was chosen, It was put in the mouth of God, but obviously was the choice of the scribes... From that beginning the teaching, “destroy,” runs through all The Law, first, and all the portrayal of historical events, next. The act of destruction is sometimes the subject of a bargain between God and the chosen people, on an “If” and “Then” basis; either God offers to destroy, or the chosen people ask him to destroy. In each case the act of destruction is depicted as something so meritorious that it demands a high equivalent service. Thus: “If thou shalt indeed … do all that I speak, then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies … and will destroy all the people to whom thou shalt come” (Exodus). (In this case God is quoted as promising destruction in return for “observance”; chief among the “statutes and judgments” to be observed is, “Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served other Gods”; Deuteronomy). Conversely: “And Israel vowed a vow unto the Lord, and said, If thou wilt indeed deliver this people into my hand, then I will utterly destroy their cities; And the Lord hearkened to the voice of Israel, and delivered up the Canaanites; and they utterly destroyed them and their cities” (Numbers). As will be seen, the bargain about “destruction” is conditional, in both cases, on performance of a counter-service by the people or by God. The command, “utterly destroy,” being high among the tenets of the inflexible Law, any exercise of clemency, or other shortcoming in utter destruction, is a grave legal offence, not merely an error of judgment... This was the basis on which all The Law, and all history of that time and later times, was built. From the moment when Israel rejected them and they were left alone with the Levites, the Judahites were ruled by a priesthood which avowed that destruction was Jehovah’s chief command and that they were divinely chosen to destroy. Thus they became the only people in history specifically dedicated to destruction as such. Destruction as an attendant result of war is a familiar feature of all human history. Destruction as an avowed purpose was never before known and the only discoverable source of this unique idea is the Torah-Talmud... “Captive” and “persecuted” everywhere they went (under their own Law, not through the fault of the peoples with whom they sojourned) their part was always what this Law ordained that it should be: to “pull down and destroy.” ... During all this time this was the behest of their Talmudic masters, and constantly Jews rose to protest against it; but The Law was too strong for them. There was no happiness or fulfilment for the Jews in this mission, but they could not escape it. [....] Douglas Reed, The Controversy of Zion;  Chapter 17: The Destructive Mission It is all very interesting but which religion, which ethnic group, which class or creed has no similar manifestos by its fringe accolades?  How many other works by Jews advocate a completely different role for the Jews? Many, many more. Why should Maurice Samuel be takes as the authoritative, true voice over all the other Jewish voices? After all, he was just a Romanian writer, penning those words after WWI, in 1924, as a 29 year old, only a year before Mein Kampf.  Is the latter also a true expression of German aims and roles in the world?

Looks like you didn't read past the first paragraph.

The Jews have always been interesting and so there is a very wide range of views and books on them, ranging from Douglas Reed, The Controversy of Zion to Thomas Cahill's The Gift of the Jews and thousands in between.

Britain has a right to Genocide Yemen.  ;D
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/uk-reserves-right-to-respond-after-oil-tanker-set-alight-off-yemen/ar-BB1hjYQR?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=62658def40684585ac47f30364766789&ei=86

Frank wrote on Jan 27^th, 2024 at 8:24am:

The Jews have always been interesting and so there is a very wide range of views and books on them, ranging from Douglas Reed, The Controversy of Zion to Thomas Cahill's The Gift of the Jews and thousands in between.

Gift of the Jews???

US Intelligence Says Israel Nowhere Close to Its Goal of Eliminating Hamas

US intelligence officials estimate Israel is nowhere close to its goal of eliminating Hamas after over three months of relentless airstrikes and ground operations in Gaza, The Wall Street Journal reported.

US intelligence agencies estimate between 20% and 30% of Hamas fighters have been killed. The US estimates the group has about 25,000-30,000 militants and a few thousand police and other types of forces. There are also other militant groups inside Gaza, including Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

The report came after a member of Israel’s war cabinet, Gadi Eisenkot, suggested the goal of eradicating Hamas is unrealistic in a veiled swipe at Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. “Whoever speaks of the absolute defeat [of Hamas in Gaza] and of it no longer having the will or the capability [to harm Israel], is not speaking the truth. That is why we should not tell tall tales,” said Eisenkot, a former head of the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) whose son died fighting in Gaza in December.

“Today, the situation already in the Gaza Strip is that the goals of the war have not yet been achieved, but the war is already not happening. There is a reduced troop deployment, a different modus operandi,” Eisenkot added.

The Journal report said that Hamas was re-establishing its police force in some areas in northern Gaza where the Israeli military has withdrawn troops despite the massive destruction, demonstrating the resilience of Hamas’ forces.

more here:
https://news.antiwar.com/2024/01/21/us-intelligence-says-israel-nowhere-close-to-its-goal-of-eliminating-hamas/

Netanyahu government ‘in jeopardy’ – US intel

The Office of the Director of National Intelligence says it “expects large protests” demanding the Israeli leader’s resignation and new elections


https://www.rt.com/news/594223-israel-netanyahu-government-jeopardy/



Calls for Israel Elections in Break With Netanyahu

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer called for Israel to hold new elections

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/schumer-calls-for-elections-in-israel-in-break-with-netanyahu/ar-BB1jTvHf

wombatwoody wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 5:35am:

Frank wrote on Jan 27th, 2024 at 8:24am: The Jews have always been interesting and so there is a very wide range of views and books on them, ranging from Douglas Reed, The Controversy of Zion to Thomas Cahill's The Gift of the Jews and thousands in between. Gift of the Jews???

Yes. A very good book, too.

`The Gifts of the Jews'' is finally persuasive as well as entertaining. ``Where are the Sumerians, the Babylonians, the Assyrians today?'' he asks, remarking on Jewish identity and the ``unique miracle of cultural survival.''

The Jews gave us the Outside and the Inside _ our outlook and our inner life,'' he concludes. ``We dream Jewish dreams and hope Jewish hopes. Most of our best words, in fact _ new, adventure, surprise; unique, individual, person, vocation; time, history, future; freedom, progress, spirit; faith, hope, justice _ are gifts of the Jews.''

And so is Cahill's book a gift.
https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/98/03/15/daily/jews-book-review.html?scp=15&sq=gifts&st=cse

Nut-yahoo now wants to ban Aljazeera:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/01/al-jazeera-faces-security-threat-ban-after-israel-passes-new-law-benjamin-netanyahu

That's been the policy all along. Ban the news that tells the truth.