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Message started by wombatwoody on Jan 27th, 2024 at 4:44am

Title: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by wombatwoody on Jan 27th, 2024 at 4:44am
The International Court of Justice (ICJ) has delivered its ruling on the emergency measures requested by South Africa in its genocide case against Israel over its war on the Gaza Strip.

The World Court on Friday did not order a ceasefire in Gaza but told Israel to take measures to prevent and punish direct incitement of genocide in the besieged strip.

ICJ President Joan Donoghue noted that the court had found sufficient evidence of dispute for the genocide case and said it will not throw it out.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/26/world-reacts-to-icj-ruling-on-south-africas-genocide-case-against-israel



In a historic ruling, the ICJ said it had jurisdiction to rule in the case filed by South Africa accusing Israel of committing genocide in Gaza.

The interim ruling issued by the court ordered six provisional measures, including for Israel to take all measures to prevent genocidal acts, prevent and punish the direct and public incitement to genocide, and take immediate and effective steps to ensure the provision of humanitarian assistance to civilians in Gaza.

The ICJ also ordered Israel to preserve evidence of genocide and to submit a report to the court within a month regarding its compliance with the order...

Amnesty International has called the court’s order an “important step” that could help protect Palestinians from “further suffering and irreparable harm”.

The ruling issued by the ICJ ordered six provisional measures including for Israel to refrain from acts under the Genocide Convention, prevent and punish the direct and public incitement to genocide, and take immediate and effective measures to ensure the provision of humanitarian assistance to civilians in Gaza. The court has also ordered Israel to preserve evidence of genocide and to submit a report to it, within one month, of all measures taken in line with its order.

Agnes Callamard, Amnesty’s secretary general, says the interim ruling “sends a clear message that the world will not stand by in silence as Israel pursues a ruthless military campaign to decimate the population of the Gaza Strip and unleash death, horror and suffering against Palestinians on an unprecedented scale.

“However, the ICJ decision alone cannot put an end to the atrocities and devastation Gazans are witnessing. Alarming signs of genocide in Gaza, and Israel’s flagrant disregard for international law highlight the urgent need for effective, unified pressure on Israel to stop its onslaught against Palestinians. An immediate ceasefire by all parties remains essential and – although not ordered by the Court – is the most effective condition to implement the provisional measures and end unprecedented civilian suffering.”

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/1/26/live-icj-to-issue-preliminary-ruling-in-south-africa-genocide-case-against-i



The World Court ordered Israel to take action to prevent acts of genocide as it wages war against the Hamas group in the Gaza Strip.

In the ruling, 15 of the 17 judges on the ICJ voted for emergency measures that covered most of what South African had asked for, with the notable exception of ordering a halt to Israeli military action in Gaza.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/26/icj-rules-israel-must-prevent-acts-of-genocide-in-gaza-key-takeaways



“The ruling sends a strong message to Israel that the court views the situation as very serious and that Israel should do what it can to perform restraint in carrying out its military campaign,” said Michael Becker, an assistant professor of international human rights law at Trinity College in Dublin who also served as an associate legal officer at the International Court of Justice in The Hague from 2010 to 2014.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/26/what-the-icjs-interim-ruling-means-for-israels-war-on-gaza


Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by wombatwoody on Jan 30th, 2024 at 7:11pm
Jewish Voice for Peace welcomes South Africa’s win in the World Court ordering Israel to prevent all genocidal violence against Palestinians — we continue calls for an immediate ceasefire


Today, the International Court of Justice issued a historic ruling finding South Africa’s claim that Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinian people in Gaza to be plausible, and ordered that the Israeli government take all measures to prevent acts of genocide. Jewish Voice for Peace welcomes the ruling, and will continue demanding an immediate and lasting ceasefire and that the U.S. halt all weapons and military funding to the Israeli government.

The ICJ’s ruling represents a significant step towards ending the Israeli government’s genocidal campaign in Gaza — and we recognize that this is only the first step. Jewish Voice for Peace joins with thousands of anti-war groups across the world in committing to continue our work for a permanent ceasefire and an end to Israeli occupation, apartheid, and siege.

We thank South Africa for standing up to demand justice on the world stage, and working to protect the lives of Palestinians in Gaza. May we all continue working towards collective safety and liberation for all people.


    The World Court interim ruling, led by South Africa, is a vital step towards saving and protecting Palestinian lives—and towards building a future grounded in justice. We don’t need courts to tell us genocide is a moral catastrophe, but we do need courts to impose accountability when our own government has so shamefully worked to abet, fund, arm and secure impunity for the Israeli government’s genocidal attack on Palestinians in Gaza. From here, the next step is clear: an immediate, permanent ceasefire. We’re not stopping until Palestinians, like everyone else, live in justice, safety and freedom.
   
Stefanie Fox, Executive Director of Jewish Voice for Peace

    For over 100 days, the Israeli and the U.S. governments have gaslit and smeared the Palestinian people, denying what the entire world was witnessing: a genocide. Now, the highest court in the world has found these claims plausible. President Biden has a choice to make: he can reject the entire system of international law and continue complicity in Israeli genocide, or he can stop arming a genocidal regime and stop attacking the people and movements struggling to build a more just and peaceful future.
   
Beth Miller, Political Director of Jewish Voice for Peace


https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2024/01/26/we-welcome-south-africas-win-in-icj_we-call-for-ceasefire/

Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by Frank on Feb 2nd, 2024 at 9:20am
International Court of Justice delivers an own goal in ‘genocide’ case

This much can be predicted with certainty about the International Court of Justice’s decision in the case South Africa brought against Israel: Hamas will completely ignore the court’s call for the “immediate and unconditional release” of the hostages it illegally holds captive. But while the court’s call is commendable, its decision is troubling.

To say that is not to overstate the significance of the provisional measures the court has ordered. Whatever the decision’s defects, those measures primarily require Israel to abide by its obligations under the Genocide Convention, which it insists it already does.

Moreover, what the court didn’t do is as significant as what it did. The court, South Africa demanded, should order Israel to “desist” from genocidal acts, implying Israel was committing genocide. Instead, the ICJ carefully restricted itself to saying Israel has an obligation to “prevent” genocidal acts from occurring, leaving the factual issue open.

Nor did the court accept South Africa’s central request, which was for an immediate ceasefire. In Ukraine v Russia (2022), the ICJ ordered Russia to “immediately suspend military operations in Ukraine”. This order makes it emphatically clear that the only military action it enjoins is that carried out with genocidal intent.

That leaves Israel free to continue its current campaign, knowing that, as the Convention’s drafters noted, “even heavy civilian losses in the course of operations of war do not as a rule constitute genocide”.
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When it was established in 1945, the ICJ was the only international body of its kind. Since then, nearly 30 international judicial bodies have been created, along with dozens that are quasi-judicial.

That trend, which is at least partly due to the ICJ’s flaws – including the lack of an appellate mechanism to discipline decisions and constrain judges who often come from authoritarian, low-quality legal systems – has been accompanied by a massive flight from its jurisdiction.

The share of states accepting the court’s mandatory jurisdiction has halved since 1950, with even the UK, which was the only one of the founding great powers that still accepted it, recently imposing stringent reservations on that jurisdiction’s scope. Meanwhile, the number of new treaties that grant the ICJ jurisdiction has collapsed.

The ICJ has responded by trying to make its jurisdiction more attractive, notably to the “global South”. In particular, since its Namibia opinion in 1971 and its Nicaragua decision in 1984, it has shown a greater willingness to involve itself in quintessentially political disputes and assess them in terms of “fairness”.

At the same time, it has made it easier for applicants to obtain preliminary measures, giving the impression every applicant gets something, while controversially deciding in 2001 that those measures, which were previously exhortatory, are binding.

The result is that provisional measures have proliferated: in the past decade alone, they have been imposed in 12 cases, as against 10 in the entire period from 1945 to 1995.

Last week’s decision simply accentuates that trend by yet again lowering the thresholds for asserting jurisdiction, establishing an applicant’s standing and imposing provisional measures. Moreover, by requiring Israel to report monthly, the ICJ has ensured the case will be continuously relitigated, dealing itself into a dispute it cannot possibly resolve.

None of that will be costless. Already, the compliance rate with the ICJ’s provisional measures has plummeted: excluding this decision, there was no compliance at all with its orders in four of the five cases decided since 2016, and only very limited, utterly ineffectual, compliance in the other.

That might not matter if the court retained the moral high ground, helping to guide world opinion. But it can hardly do so while continuously reducing its standards, making decisions increasingly ambiguous and opening an unbridgeable gulf between provisional orders and final judgments.

Rather, the ICJ’s growing activism will merely further discredit its jurisdiction and encourage the West’s shift to other adjudicative venues, with the risks that creates of conflicting law, jurisprudential overlap and rampant forum shopping.

Today’s international legal system is a very weak reed: it never has, and never will, live up to its founders’ utopian aspirations. But as the world becomes an ever more dangerous place, it deserves a better fate than this decision foreshadows – and a much wiser one too.

HENRY ERGAS  COLUMNIST

Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by thegreatdivide on Feb 2nd, 2024 at 11:46am

Frank wrote on Feb 2nd, 2024 at 9:20am:
Henry Ergas: That leaves Israel free to continue its current campaign, knowing that, as the Convention’s drafters noted, “even heavy civilian losses in the course of operations of war do not as a rule constitute genocide”.


Good one Henry, you appeal to the "convention" whichsupport the slaughter of children so the "grown-ups" can lob bombs at one-another; a disgraceful proposition because the "Convention" is morally bankrupt.   



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When it was established in 1945, the ICJ.....
has responded by trying to make its jurisdiction more attractive, notably to the “global South”.

 
Yes, because  the ICJ is tasked with adjucating the insane convention re "legal war' ie legal murder even of civilians according to Henry the Halfwit...


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That might not matter if the court retained the moral high ground, helping to guide world opinion.


You mean: normalizing the slaughter of children....in the course of upholding the "convention"?


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But it can hardly do so while continuously reducing its standards,


Oh - Henry the Halfwit; your argument is based on your blindness to the insanity of 'legal war' - and the slaughter of children not being regarded ("not as a rule") as genocide, so the rest of your comments are GIGO. 


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Rather, the ICJ’s growing activism will merely further discredit its jurisdiction and encourage the West’s shift to other adjudicative venues, with the risks that creates of conflicting law, jurisprudential overlap and rampant forum shopping.


Hopefully, on the path to discrediting the obsolete conventions re "national sovereignty", in the age of MAD. 


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Today’s international legal system is a very weak reed: it never has, and never will, live up to its founders’ utopian aspirations. But as the world becomes an ever more dangerous place, it deserves a better fate than this decision foreshadows – and a much wiser one too.[/b]


A correct statement on its face, but look at the hidden biases: saving mankind from the scourge of war is "utopian", even though "the world deserves a better fate" .....  contradictions courtesy of Henry the Halfwit.



Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 2nd, 2024 at 10:47pm
The ICJ rejected SA calls for ceasefire.

The ICJ did not find Israel guilty of Genocide.

The ICJ ruled hamas must release all hostages.


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Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by thegreatdivide on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 12:31pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 2nd, 2024 at 10:47pm:
The ICJ rejected SA calls for ceasefire.

The ICJ did not find Israel guilty of Genocide.

The ICJ ruled hamas must release all hostages.


That's because the ICJ, like the UN  is operating under the present insane regime re rules of "legal war".

Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by JaSin of Peanut Butter on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 2:25pm
The Geneva Convention is out-dated.
It's a free-for-all, when it comes to War.

Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by Frank on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 3:47pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 12:31pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 2nd, 2024 at 10:47pm:
The ICJ rejected SA calls for ceasefire.

The ICJ did not find Israel guilty of Genocide.

The ICJ ruled hamas must release all hostages.


That's because the ICJ, like the UN  is operating under the present insane regime re rules of "legal war".



Is Hamas a signatory of the various conventions and jurisdictions of the ICJ regarding the rules of war? Islamic Jihad? The United Front of Lone Wolf Jihadis?


Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by thegreatdivide on Feb 4th, 2024 at 10:17am

Frank wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 3:47pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 12:31pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 2nd, 2024 at 10:47pm:
The ICJ rejected SA calls for ceasefire.

The ICJ did not find Israel guilty of Genocide.

The ICJ ruled hamas must release all hostages.


That's because the ICJ, like the UN  is operating under the present insane regime re rules of "legal war".



Is Hamas a signatory of the various conventions and jurisdictions of the ICJ regarding the rules of war? Islamic Jihad? The United Front of Lone Wolf Jihadis?


All irrelevant questions; your ideological blindness is confirmed after my exposure of Henry Ergas, a couple of posts back.

Listen carefully: the 'rules of war' are insane.

Whereas Caesar and Genghis Khan weren't restricted by "rules of war", things have changed since 1946,   when a "rules" regime was adopted by the UN.

But that regime is corrupted, because the slaughter of children is unconscionable.

 

Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by Frank on Feb 4th, 2024 at 1:38pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 4th, 2024 at 10:17am:

Frank wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 3:47pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 12:31pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 2nd, 2024 at 10:47pm:
The ICJ rejected SA calls for ceasefire.

The ICJ did not find Israel guilty of Genocide.

The ICJ ruled hamas must release all hostages.


That's because the ICJ, like the UN  is operating under the present insane regime re rules of "legal war".



Is Hamas a signatory of the various conventions and jurisdictions of the ICJ regarding the rules of war? Islamic Jihad? The United Front of Lone Wolf Jihadis?


All irrelevant questions; your ideological blindness is confirmed after my exposure of Henry Ergas, a couple of posts back.

Listen carefully: the 'rules of war' are insane.

Whereas Caesar and Genghis Khan weren't restricted by "rules of war", things have changed since 1946,   when a "rules" regime was adopted by the UN.

But that regime is corrupted, because the slaughter of children is unconscionable.

 


Very stupid, bird-brain, parrot/mindless knee jerk b.s., as usual from you.

All you ever expose is your utter stupidity, lack of ANY learning and as blinkered, loud, repetitious stupidity - exactly  like Bbwian's endless tsk, tsk and eyerolling or thicko Smith's endless 'dumbarseing' in response to everything.


What you said above in three sentences: rules of war are insane. But things changed and rules of war were established by the noble UN in 1946 so that was good but then those good rules were corrupted and so now sumefin' or sumfin'.  You contradict yourself twice in three sentences.

You are self-exposing alright, just not anything to be proud of.


Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by thegreatdivide on Feb 4th, 2024 at 2:15pm

Frank wrote on Feb 4th, 2024 at 1:38pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 4th, 2024 at 10:17am:

Frank wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 3:47pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 12:31pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 2nd, 2024 at 10:47pm:
The ICJ rejected SA calls for ceasefire.

The ICJ did not find Israel guilty of Genocide.

The ICJ ruled hamas must release all hostages.


That's because the ICJ, like the UN  is operating under the present insane regime re rules of "legal war".



Is Hamas a signatory of the various conventions and jurisdictions of the ICJ regarding the rules of war? Islamic Jihad? The United Front of Lone Wolf Jihadis?


All irrelevant questions; your ideological blindness is confirmed after my exposure of Henry Ergas, a couple of posts back.

Listen carefully: the 'rules of war' are insane.

Whereas Caesar and Genghis Khan weren't restricted by "rules of war", things have changed since 1946,   when a "rules" regime was adopted by the UN.

But that regime is corrupted, because the slaughter of children is unconscionable.


Very stupid, bird-brain, parrot/mindless knee jerk b.s., as usual from you.


Right.... now let's see your argument...(though undoubtedly it's as contradictory as Ergas, who says it's "utopian" to save mankind from the scourge of war, while at the same time saying we "deserve something better").


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All you ever expose is your utter stupidity, lack of ANY learning and as blinkered, loud, repetitious stupidity - exactly  like Bbwian's endless tsk, tsk and eyerolling or thicko Smith's endless 'dumbarseing' in response to everything.


Still patiently waiting for your argument....


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What you said above in three sentences:....


At last, your argument.....


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rules of war are insane....


Obviously, given war results in the murder of children, which Ergas claims is "lawful" according to the "rules of war".  There's the insanity, right there.


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But things changed and rules of war were established by the noble UN in 1946


Correct so far...



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so that was good


The intention was good but the goal was not achieved.


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but then those good rules were corrupted...


Yes, corrupted by the obsolete concept of 'national sovereignty", and the associated demands of the US and USSR for the veto power, in the proposed UNSC.


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and so now sumefin' or sumfin'.  You contradict yourself twice in three sentences.


And so your brain turns to mash, incapacitated by your "natural individual rights" delusion.  The contradictions are Ergas's; at least he appeals to a better condition for mankind', you are merely a survival of fittest ideologue.


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You are self-exposing alright, just not anything to be proud of.


I'm proud to  argue for a better world,  in which mankind has been saved from the scourge of war.

Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by Frank on Feb 4th, 2024 at 2:29pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 4th, 2024 at 2:15pm:
Listen carefully: the 'rules of war' are insane.

...

The intention was good but the goal was not achieved.

[quote]but then those good rules were corrupted...



You are stupid and self- contadictory as a matter of strict personal policy.


Insane, yet can be set as a good goal ( ie not insane in the next sentence), which was then corrupted (but could be set right again, if only Panda Xi and the CCP were world king).

You are a parrot shitting all over the  place insisting that you are exposing the roo the root of all the ills of the world. You are, instead, a deranged monomaniac.

Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by thegreatdivide on Feb 4th, 2024 at 3:49pm

Frank wrote on Feb 4th, 2024 at 2:29pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 4th, 2024 at 2:15pm:
Listen carefully: the 'rules of war' are insane.

...

The intention was good but the goal was not achieved.
....but then those good rules were corrupted...

You are stupid and self- contadictory as a matter of strict personal policy.

Insane, yet can be set as a good goal ( ie not insane in the next sentence), which was then corrupted (but could be set right again, if only Panda Xi and the CCP were world king).

You are a parrot shitting all over the  place insisting that you are exposing the roo the root of all the ills of the world. You are, instead, a deranged monomaniac.


I think you would find a jury of debating experts would fail you, for that reply.

[quote]Insane, yet can be set as a good goal


war - and the concept of "legal" war even more so -  IS insane, because in the latter case it legalizes the slaughter of children, as confirmed by Ergas.   

Outlawing war is the goal, which was rendered unachievable by erroneous law.

As for the CCP, they support UN multi-lateralism - as opposed to Trump's uni-lateralism,  for example.

But as to whether China would make a better 'world policeman' than the US if it becomes the world's most poweful economy, I'm not prepared to say at this stage.
(though I do think China would be more interested than the US in getting rid of the UNSC veto, if China was the most powerful nation in the world, keen to demonstrate the advantages of "common prosperity".



Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by wombatwoody on Feb 8th, 2024 at 4:59am
Sorrow and fury: a letter from American rabbis to President Biden

Dear President Biden,

As American rabbis, we write to you with deep sorrow and fury...

We are compelled to speak with moral clarity about what is happening to Palestinians at this very moment. We do so not in spite of our histories, but because of them. We know in our bones what it means to hear Israeli officials dehumanize an entire people, to witness the Israeli military mass murder tens of thousands of Palestinians, to watch Israel systematically destroy civilian infrastructure, cultural institutions, universities, and hospitals. To see Israel purposefully deny food, medicine, and shelter to refugees.

We hold the traumatic history of our people with care and sensitivity — and know how  painful it is for Jews to grasp that a Jewish state could possibly commit a genocide. Nevertheless, we must agree with increasing numbers of scholars and international rights experts who have determined that Israel’s actions in Gaza constitute, in the words of Prof. Raz Segal, “a textbook case of genocide.”

We support and uplift South Africa’s recent application to the International Court of Justice claiming Israel is in breach of the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. And now, Palestinian human rights organizations, together with Palestinians in the US and Gaza, are bringing a case against your administration for failure to prevent, and complicity in, the Israeli government’s unfolding genocide against them, their families, and the 2.2 million Palestinians in Gaza. We stand in support of their action as well.


https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2024/01/26/rabbiletter/

Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by thegreatdivide on Feb 8th, 2024 at 11:50am
Meanwhile the idiot thug Netanyahu is strengthening the recent China-brokered rapprochement between S.Arabia and Iran; yesterday the Saudi Prince said he would not establish diplomatic relations with Israel until a  Palestinian state was established along the '67 borders.


Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by wombatwoody on Feb 25th, 2024 at 6:40pm
The cabinet of Israel’s Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu is filled with religious extremists who believe that Israel’s brutality in Gaza is at God’s command. According to the Book of Joshua in the Hebrew Bible, dated by scholars to the 7th century BC, God promised the land to the Jewish people and instructed them to destroy the other nations living in the promised land. This text is used by extreme nationalists in Israel today, including by many of the 700,000 or so Israeli settlers living in occupied Palestinian lands in violation of international law. Netanyahu pursues the religious ideology of 7th century BC in the 21st century.

Of course, the vast majority of the world today, including the vast majority of Americans, are certainly not in line with Israel’s religious zealots. The world is far more interested in the 1948 Genocide Convention than in the genocides supposedly ordained by God in the Book of Joshua. They don’t accept the Biblical idea that Israel should kill or expel the people of Palestine from their own land. The two-state solution is the declared policy of the world community, as enshrined by the UN Security Council, and of the U.S. government.

[...]

https://www.unz.com/item/will-netanyahu-bring-down-biden/

Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by Frank on Feb 26th, 2024 at 1:50pm
Hamas request permanent cease-fire in Chicago, IL

Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by wombatwoody on Feb 26th, 2024 at 11:18pm
US airman sets himself on fire outside Israeli Embassy in Washington

At the start of that vid the young man says, I will no longer be complicit in genocide. The rest of it is very disturbing.


https://www.rt.com/news/593158-man-self-immolates-embassy/


Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by wombatwoody on Feb 27th, 2024 at 8:00pm
One month since the ICJ ruling:

26 Feb 2024

Israel is expected to submit a report to the International Court of Justice (ICJ) on Monday on the measures it has taken to prevent possible genocide in Gaza. This is to assess whether Israel complied with the provisional measures ordered by the ICJ on January 26.

South Africa, which brought the case, says Israel has failed to comply with the measures. “I believe the rulings of the court have been ignored,” said Foreign Minister Naledi Pandor.

Here are the measures the ICJ ordered, as we look at whether Israel followed through in the past month since the ruling.


    Israel must take all possible measures to prevent genocidal acts as outlined in Article 2 of the 1948 Genocide Convention.
   
    Israel must ensure its military does not carry out the aforementioned actions.

    Israel must prevent the destruction of evidence of war crimes in Gaza and allow fact-finding missions to access it.

    Israel must submit a report to the ICJ on how it intends to deliver the above measures within a month of the ruling.

    Israel must prevent and punish incitement of genocidal acts.

    Israel must ensure the delivery of basic services and essential humanitarian aid to civilians in Gaza.

Did Israel follow the ICJ ruling?

Article 2 of the Genocide Convention entails not killing members of a particular group and not causing physical or psychological harm to members of that group, not inflicting living conditions which are calculated to bring about the end of the existence of a people, and not carrying out actions designed to prevent births within that group of people.

The ruling also added that Israel is supposed to ensure its military does not take such action and that Israel should punish direct and public incitement to commit genocide in relation to the Palestinians in Gaza.

Between the January 26 ruling and February 24, Israeli attacks have killed at least 3,523 Palestinians, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health. An average of 120 Palestinians were killed every day. At least 5,250 Palestinians were injured in Israeli attacks.

continues here:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/26/has-israel-complied-with-icj-order-in-gaza-genocide-case

Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by Baronvonrort on Feb 27th, 2024 at 10:36pm

wombatwoody wrote on Feb 27th, 2024 at 8:00pm:
One month since the ICJ ruling:


The ICJ ruled Hamas must release all hostages have they done that?



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Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by thegreatdivide on Feb 28th, 2024 at 10:25am

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 27th, 2024 at 10:36pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Feb 27th, 2024 at 8:00pm:
One month since the ICJ ruling:


The ICJ ruled Hamas must release all hostages have they done that?


No, because Israel rejects the 2 state solution.

Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by wombatwoody on Mar 15th, 2024 at 2:29am
PM referred to International Criminal Court accused of complicity in genocide


Tuesday, 5 March 2024

Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has been referred to the International Criminal Court as an accessory to genocide in Gaza, making him the first leader of a Western nation to be referred to the ICC under Article 15 of the Rome Statute.

A team of Australian lawyers from Birchgrove Legal, led by King’s Counsel Sheryn Omeri, have spent months documenting the alleged complicity and outlining the individual criminal responsibility of Mr Albanese in respect to the situation in Palestine.

The 92-page document, which has been endorsed by more than one hundred Australian lawyers and barristers, was yesterday submitted to the Office of ICC Prosecutor, Karim Khan KC.

The document sets out a number of actions taken by the PM and other ministers and members of parliament, including Foreign Minister Wong and the Leader of the Opposition, for the Prosecutor to consider and investigate. These include:

    Freezing $6 million in funding to the primary aid agency operating in Gaza – UNRWA – amid a humanitarian crisis based on unsubstantiated claims by Israel after the International Court of Justice had found it plausibly to be committing genocide in Gaza.

    Providing military aid and approving defence exports to Israel, which could be used by the IDF in the course of the prima facie commission of genocide and crimes against humanity.

    Ambiguously deploying an Australian military contingent to the region, where its location and exact role have not been disclosed.

    Permitting Australians, either explicitly or implicitly, to travel to Israel to join the IDF and take part in its attacks on Gaza.

    Providing unequivocal political support for Israel’s actions, as evidenced by the political statements of the PM and other members of Parliament, including the Leader of the Opposition.


Ms Omeri KC said the case was legally significant because it focused exclusively on two modes of accessorial liability.

“The Rome Statute provides four modes of individual criminal responsibility, two of which are accessorial,” Omeri said.

“In relation to accessorial liability, a person may be criminally responsible for a crime set out in the Rome Statute if, for the purpose of facilitating the commission of that crime, that person aids, abets or otherwise assists in the commission of the crime, or its attempted commission, including by providing the means for its commission.

“Secondly, if that person in any other way contributes to the commission of the crime or its attempted commission by a group, knowing that the group intends to commit the crime.”

Ms Omeri KC said the Article 15 communication had been carefully drafted by those instructing her and was now a matter for the Prosecutor to consider.

“The Office of the Prosecutor of the ICC is already pursuing an ongoing investigation into the situation in the State of Palestine, which it has been conducting since March 2021,” Omeri said.

“That includes investigating events which have occurred since 7 October 2023. This Article 15 communication will add to the evidence available to the Prosecutor in relation to that situation.

“The Article 15 communication is of a piece with recent domestic legal cases brought against Western leaders in a number of countries such as in the US, against President Biden, and most recently, in Germany, against, among other senior government ministers, Chancellor Scholz.

“These cases demonstrate a growing desire on the part of civil society and ordinary citizens of Western countries to ensure that their governments do not assist in the perpetration of international crimes, especially in circumstances where the ICJ has found a plausible case of genocide in Gaza.”

Principal solicitor at Birchgrove Legal, Moustafa Kheir, said his team had twice written to Mr Albanese, putting him on notice and seeking a response on behalf of the applicants who make up a large consortium of concerned Australian citizens, including those of Palestinian ethnicity.

Mr Kheir said communications were ignored on both occasions.

“Since October we have attempted communications with our Prime Minister as we reasonably believe that he and members of his cabinet are encouraging and supporting war crimes committed by Israel against Palestinian civilians through their political and military assistance,” Kheir said.

“The Prime Minister has ignored our concerns and given the limited avenues we have for recourse under national law, we have been left with little option but to pursue this Article 15 communication to the International Criminal Court.

“Our communication has been endorsed by King’s Counsel Greg James AM and well over 100 senior counsel and barristers, retired judges, law professors and academics from around Australia who wish to test the strength of international law to hold their own democratic leaders accountable given the barriers we face to do it nationally.

“As lawyers and barristers, it is impossible to sit back and watch sustained breaches of international law while Albanese continues to refer to the perpetrator as “a dear friend.”


https://birchgrovelegal.com.au/2024/03/01/birchgrove-legal-files-case-for-complicity-to-genocide-to-the-hague-international-criminal-court-media-release/

Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by Gnads on Mar 15th, 2024 at 9:04am

wombatwoody wrote on Feb 26th, 2024 at 11:18pm:
US airman sets himself on fire outside Israeli Embassy in Washington

At the start of that vid the young man says, I will no longer be complicit in genocide. The rest of it is very disturbing.


https://www.rt.com/news/593158-man-self-immolates-embassy/



What's disturbing is they deliberately haven't named this airman. Wonder why? ::)

Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by mothra on Mar 15th, 2024 at 9:41am

Gnads wrote on Mar 15th, 2024 at 9:04am:

wombatwoody wrote on Feb 26th, 2024 at 11:18pm:
US airman sets himself on fire outside Israeli Embassy in Washington

At the start of that vid the young man says, I will no longer be complicit in genocide. The rest of it is very disturbing.


https://www.rt.com/news/593158-man-self-immolates-embassy/



What's disturbing is they deliberately haven't named this airman. Wonder why? ::)



Sure they have.

Aaron Bushnell.

What dubious sources are you relying on for information? His name is no secret.

Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by philperth2010 on Mar 15th, 2024 at 1:13pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 28th, 2024 at 10:25am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 27th, 2024 at 10:36pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Feb 27th, 2024 at 8:00pm:
One month since the ICJ ruling:


The ICJ ruled Hamas must release all hostages have they done that?


No, because Israel rejects the 2 state solution.


So you support HAMAS blackmailing Israel into a two State solution....Israel will suffer more if terrorists are given what they want....Iman's accross the Middle East have called for the total destruction of Israel....How far are you prepared to go in your support of terrorists mate???

:-? :-? :-?

Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by thegreatdivide on Mar 15th, 2024 at 2:28pm

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 15th, 2024 at 1:13pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 28th, 2024 at 10:25am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 27th, 2024 at 10:36pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Feb 27th, 2024 at 8:00pm:
One month since the ICJ ruling:


The ICJ ruled Hamas must release all hostages have they done that?


No, because Israel rejects the 2 state solution.


So you support HAMAS blackmailing Israel into a two State solution....


No, I support  Israel submitting to international law specifically, UN res 242.


Quote:
Israel will suffer more if terrorists are given what they want....Iman's accross the Middle East have called for the total destruction of Israel....How far are you prepared to go in your support of terrorists mate???

:-? :-? :-?


I'm prepared to support international law, with security guaranteed by the UNSC. Even Russia supports UN res 242,  and Biden - though weak as piss - also supports UN res 242. 

So that means the UNSC can speak with one voice (possessing 99% of the world's military power), to guarantee security of the 2 states.

Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by wombatwoody on Mar 29th, 2024 at 11:10pm
ICJ orders Israel to take action to address famine in Gaza

In a new set of provisional measures, the World Court ordered Israel to open more land crossings to allow aid into Gaza.

28 Mar 2024

Judges at the International Court of Justice have unanimously ordered Israel to take all the necessary and effective action to ensure basic food supplies arrive without delay to the Palestinian population in Gaza.

The ICJ judges said in an order on Thursday that Palestinians in Gaza face worsening conditions of life and famine and starvation are spreading.

“The court observes that Palestinians in Gaza are no longer facing only a risk of famine … but that famine is setting in,” the judges said. “At least 31 people, including 27 children, having already died of malnutrition and dehydration according to the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs,” they said.

In its legally binding order, the court told Israel to take “all necessary and effective measures to ensure, without delay, in full co-operation with the United Nations, the unhindered provision at scale by all concerned of urgently needed basic services and humanitarian assistance” including food, water, fuel and medical supplies.

continues here:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/28/icj-orders-israel-to-take-action-to-address-famine-in-gaza


As a South African spokeswoman said last month on Israel using starvation as a weapon of war, "If I deny you food, if I deny you water, if I deny you medical aid, then my intention is to kill you."



Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by Frank on Mar 30th, 2024 at 8:42am

wombatwoody wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 11:10pm:
ICJ orders Israel to take action to address famine in Gaza

In a new set of provisional measures, the World Court ordered Israel to open more land crossings to allow aid into Gaza.

28 Mar 2024

Judges at the International Court of Justice have unanimously ordered Israel to take all the necessary and effective action to ensure basic food supplies arrive without delay to the Palestinian population in Gaza.

The ICJ judges said in an order on Thursday that Palestinians in Gaza face worsening conditions of life and famine and starvation are spreading.

“The court observes that Palestinians in Gaza are no longer facing only a risk of famine … but that famine is setting in,” the judges said. “At least 31 people, including 27 children, having already died of malnutrition and dehydration according to the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs,” they said.

In its legally binding order, the court told Israel to take “all necessary and effective measures to ensure, without delay, in full co-operation with the United Nations, the unhindered provision at scale by all concerned of urgently needed basic services and humanitarian assistance” including food, water, fuel and medical supplies.

continues here:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/28/icj-orders-israel-to-take-action-to-address-famine-in-gaza


As a South African spokeswoman said last month on Israel using starvation as a weapon of war, "If I deny you food, if I deny you water, if I deny you medical aid, then my intention is to kill you."


Hamas is the government in Gaza, why don't they provide for their people?? What's what they were elected to do by the Gazan, weren't they? Is Hamas too busy with something else other than looking after the people who elected them??



Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by chimera on Mar 30th, 2024 at 9:14am
Gaza has a good supply of 'Merkava (Hebrew: מרכבה "chariot") a series of main battle tanks used by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and the backbone of the IDF's Armored Corps. Current iterations of this tank are considered broadly equivalent to the capabilities of the M1 Abrams, Leopard 2 and the Challenger 2'.

Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by wombatwoody on Apr 3rd, 2024 at 2:41pm

Frank wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 8:42am:

wombatwoody wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 11:10pm:
ICJ orders Israel to take action to address famine in Gaza

In a new set of provisional measures, the World Court ordered Israel to open more land crossings to allow aid into Gaza.

28 Mar 2024

Judges at the International Court of Justice have unanimously ordered Israel to take all the necessary and effective action to ensure basic food supplies arrive without delay to the Palestinian population in Gaza.

The ICJ judges said in an order on Thursday that Palestinians in Gaza face worsening conditions of life and famine and starvation are spreading.

“The court observes that Palestinians in Gaza are no longer facing only a risk of famine … but that famine is setting in,” the judges said. “At least 31 people, including 27 children, having already died of malnutrition and dehydration according to the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs,” they said.

In its legally binding order, the court told Israel to take “all necessary and effective measures to ensure, without delay, in full co-operation with the United Nations, the unhindered provision at scale by all concerned of urgently needed basic services and humanitarian assistance” including food, water, fuel and medical supplies.

continues here:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/28/icj-orders-israel-to-take-action-to-address-famine-in-gaza


As a South African spokeswoman said last month on Israel using starvation as a weapon of war, "If I deny you food, if I deny you water, if I deny you medical aid, then my intention is to kill you."


Hamas is the government in Gaza, why don't they provide for their people?? What's what they were elected to do by the Gazan, weren't they? Is Hamas too busy with something else other than looking after the people who elected them??


Israel is refusing to allow all but a trickle of aid to enter.

Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by thegreatdivide on Apr 29th, 2024 at 3:38pm

Frank wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 8:42am:

wombatwoody wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 11:10pm:
ICJ orders Israel to take action to address famine in Gaza

In a new set of provisional measures, the World Court ordered Israel to open more land crossings to allow aid into Gaza.

28 Mar 2024

Judges at the International Court of Justice have unanimously ordered Israel to take all the necessary and effective action to ensure basic food supplies arrive without delay to the Palestinian population in Gaza.

The ICJ judges said in an order on Thursday that Palestinians in Gaza face worsening conditions of life and famine and starvation are spreading.

“The court observes that Palestinians in Gaza are no longer facing only a risk of famine … but that famine is setting in,” the judges said. “At least 31 people, including 27 children, having already died of malnutrition and dehydration according to the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs,” they said.

In its legally binding order, the court told Israel to take “all necessary and effective measures to ensure, without delay, in full co-operation with the United Nations, the unhindered provision at scale by all concerned of urgently needed basic services and humanitarian assistance” including food, water, fuel and medical supplies.

continues here:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/28/icj-orders-israel-to-take-action-to-address-famine-in-gaza


As a South African spokeswoman said last month on Israel using starvation as a weapon of war, "If I deny you food, if I deny you water, if I deny you medical aid, then my intention is to kill you."


Hamas is the government in Gaza, why don't they provide for their people?? What's what they were elected to do by the Gazan, weren't they? Is Hamas too busy with something else other than looking after the people who elected them??


They are too busy seeking revenge for the Muslims who  were ousted from the Israeli allotment of Palestine, in 1947.

How about establising the two state solution?

I expect (moderate) Fatah would attract majority support from Palestinians after 70 years of conflict, if the US stopped blocking UN res 242.   

Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by Dnarever on Apr 29th, 2024 at 8:05pm

Frank wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 8:42am:

wombatwoody wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 11:10pm:
ICJ orders Israel to take action to address famine in Gaza

In a new set of provisional measures, the World Court ordered Israel to open more land crossings to allow aid into Gaza.

28 Mar 2024

Judges at the International Court of Justice have unanimously ordered Israel to take all the necessary and effective action to ensure basic food supplies arrive without delay to the Palestinian population in Gaza.

The ICJ judges said in an order on Thursday that Palestinians in Gaza face worsening conditions of life and famine and starvation are spreading.

“The court observes that Palestinians in Gaza are no longer facing only a risk of famine … but that famine is setting in,” the judges said. “At least 31 people, including 27 children, having already died of malnutrition and dehydration according to the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs,” they said.

In its legally binding order, the court told Israel to take “all necessary and effective measures to ensure, without delay, in full co-operation with the United Nations, the unhindered provision at scale by all concerned of urgently needed basic services and humanitarian assistance” including food, water, fuel and medical supplies.

continues here:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/28/icj-orders-israel-to-take-action-to-address-famine-in-gaza


As a South African spokeswoman said last month on Israel using starvation as a weapon of war, "If I deny you food, if I deny you water, if I deny you medical aid, then my intention is to kill you."


Hamas is the government in Gaza, why don't they provide for their people?? What's what they were elected to do by the Gazan, weren't they? Is Hamas too busy with something else other than looking after the people who elected them??


Israel have effectivly had full control of Gaza for over 50 years.

Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by Frank on Apr 29th, 2024 at 9:10pm

Dnarever wrote on Apr 29th, 2024 at 8:05pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 8:42am:

wombatwoody wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 11:10pm:
ICJ orders Israel to take action to address famine in Gaza

In a new set of provisional measures, the World Court ordered Israel to open more land crossings to allow aid into Gaza.

28 Mar 2024

Judges at the International Court of Justice have unanimously ordered Israel to take all the necessary and effective action to ensure basic food supplies arrive without delay to the Palestinian population in Gaza.

The ICJ judges said in an order on Thursday that Palestinians in Gaza face worsening conditions of life and famine and starvation are spreading.

“The court observes that Palestinians in Gaza are no longer facing only a risk of famine … but that famine is setting in,” the judges said. “At least 31 people, including 27 children, having already died of malnutrition and dehydration according to the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs,” they said.

In its legally binding order, the court told Israel to take “all necessary and effective measures to ensure, without delay, in full co-operation with the United Nations, the unhindered provision at scale by all concerned of urgently needed basic services and humanitarian assistance” including food, water, fuel and medical supplies.

continues here:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/28/icj-orders-israel-to-take-action-to-address-famine-in-gaza


As a South African spokeswoman said last month on Israel using starvation as a weapon of war, "If I deny you food, if I deny you water, if I deny you medical aid, then my intention is to kill you."


Hamas is the government in Gaza, why don't they provide for their people?? What's what they were elected to do by the Gazan, weren't they? Is Hamas too busy with something else other than looking after the people who elected them??


Israel have effectivly had full control of Gaza for over 50 years.

Bollocks, duckwit. Fowl bollocks.


I am astonished that people like you, ignorant, empty-headed ****s and idiots you are, side with Hamas.

Barbaric, evil f***s, the lot of you.


Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by Bobby. on Apr 29th, 2024 at 9:14pm
Dear Frank,
are you the former poster known as Longweekend?


Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by Baronvonrort on Apr 29th, 2024 at 10:10pm

Quote:
The ICJ did NOT decide that the claim of genocide was plausible

https://twitter.com/LeiblerMark/status/1783712854291763639


Nice to see this Fact Checked

Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Apr 30th, 2024 at 6:49am
Israel rejects ICJ demand to impose unfair case.

Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Apr 30th, 2024 at 6:54am

Bobby. wrote on Apr 29th, 2024 at 9:14pm:
Dear Frank,
are you the former poster known as Longweekend?


I dunno - but timing says that Bored Brian is from Cocos (Keeling) Island....  arrives late at night when some nice pastor would be dreaming of Jesus.....

GAY_JESUS.jpg (20 KB | 5 )

Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by Dnarever on Apr 30th, 2024 at 12:50pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 29th, 2024 at 9:14pm:
Dear Frank,
are you the former poster known as Longweekend?


Nothing like LW.

LW was a crazy righty but he seemed to be fairly smart.

Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by Bobby. on Apr 30th, 2024 at 12:52pm

Dnarever wrote on Apr 30th, 2024 at 12:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 29th, 2024 at 9:14pm:
Dear Frank,
are you the former poster known as Longweekend?


Nothing like LW.

LW was a crazy righty but he seemed to be fairly smart.



I reckon Longy is Frank.    ;)

Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by Dnarever on Apr 30th, 2024 at 12:57pm

Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2024 at 9:10pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 29th, 2024 at 8:05pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 30th, 2024 at 8:42am:

wombatwoody wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 11:10pm:
ICJ orders Israel to take action to address famine in Gaza

In a new set of provisional measures, the World Court ordered Israel to open more land crossings to allow aid into Gaza.

28 Mar 2024

Judges at the International Court of Justice have unanimously ordered Israel to take all the necessary and effective action to ensure basic food supplies arrive without delay to the Palestinian population in Gaza.

The ICJ judges said in an order on Thursday that Palestinians in Gaza face worsening conditions of life and famine and starvation are spreading.

“The court observes that Palestinians in Gaza are no longer facing only a risk of famine … but that famine is setting in,” the judges said. “At least 31 people, including 27 children, having already died of malnutrition and dehydration according to the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs,” they said.

In its legally binding order, the court told Israel to take “all necessary and effective measures to ensure, without delay, in full co-operation with the United Nations, the unhindered provision at scale by all concerned of urgently needed basic services and humanitarian assistance” including food, water, fuel and medical supplies.

continues here:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/28/icj-orders-israel-to-take-action-to-address-famine-in-gaza


As a South African spokeswoman said last month on Israel using starvation as a weapon of war, "If I deny you food, if I deny you water, if I deny you medical aid, then my intention is to kill you."


Hamas is the government in Gaza, why don't they provide for their people?? What's what they were elected to do by the Gazan, weren't they? Is Hamas too busy with something else other than looking after the people who elected them??


Israel have effectivly had full control of Gaza for over 50 years.

Bollocks, duckwit. Fowl bollocks.


I am astonished that people like you, ignorant, empty-headed ****s and idiots you are, side with Hamas.

Barbaric, evil f***s, the lot of you.


Opposing one atrocity The deliberate murder of over 30,000  innocent people does not mean supporting Hamas for their atrocities. 

It is perfectly reasonable to oppose all of these atrocities.

Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by Dnarever on Apr 30th, 2024 at 12:58pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 30th, 2024 at 12:52pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 30th, 2024 at 12:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 29th, 2024 at 9:14pm:
Dear Frank,
are you the former poster known as Longweekend?


Nothing like LW.

LW was a crazy righty but he seemed to be fairly smart.



I reckon Longy is Frank.    ;)


LW has an IQ at least 50 points higher.

Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by wombatwoody on May 1st, 2024 at 1:57am

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 29th, 2024 at 10:10pm:

Quote:
The ICJ did NOT decide that the claim of genocide was plausible

https://twitter.com/LeiblerMark/status/1783712854291763639


Nice to see this Fact Checked


Got another link to that vid? Usually there's no problem with such embedded ones but this one won't play and I'm not gonna change my browser settings.

Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by wombatwoody on May 1st, 2024 at 2:02am
‘Unnaturally Afraid’ – Netanyahu Worried ICC Could Issue Arrest Warrants


In recent days, according to the report, Netanyahu has reached out to various international leaders and officials, including US President Joe Biden, in an effort to prevent the issuance of such a warrant.


Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu expressed deep concern over the possibility of the International Criminal Court (ICC) issuing an arrest warrant for him and other high-ranking officials, according to Israeli media.

This comes amid Israeli media reports of the potential issuance of arrest warrants by the ICC against Netanyahu and other Israeli political and military leaders – such as Defense Minister Yoav Gallant and Chief of Staff Herzl Halevi – for alleged violations of international law in the ongoing assault of the Gaza Strip.

The Israeli newspaper Maariv cited unnamed sources as saying that Netanyahu is “unnaturally afraid and worried” about the prospect of facing an ICC arrest warrant in The Hague.

In recent days, according to the report, Netanyahu has reached out to various international leaders and officials, including US President Joe Biden, in an effort to prevent the issuance of such a warrant.

‘Under My Leadership’

On Friday, Netanyahu said any decisions made by the ICC will not affect Israel’s actions, but would however “set a dangerous precedent.”

“Under my leadership, Israel will never accept any attempt by the ICC to undermine its inherent right of self-defense,” he wrote on X.

    ‘Under My Leadership’ – Netanyahu Says ICC Decisions Will Not Affect Israel’s Actions

“Israel will continue to wage to victory our just war against genocidal terrorists and we will never stop defending ourselves,” said Netanyahu.

According to another report by Maariv, senior Israeli officials expressed concern about the tweet in which Netanyahu criticized the ICC.

“Netanyahu’s tweet itself is a mistake,” the sources were reported as saying.

“Any statement could complicate the complex situation even more, and there is no reason to convey to the court a message that could be interpreted as threatening,” the officials reportedly added.

Netanyahu’s Lifeline

The Israeli newspaper The Jerusalem Post quoted an unnamed Israeli diplomatic source as saying that the ICC “could not act against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and top IDF brass without overt or tactic support from the United States”.

“Where is Biden? Why is he quiet while Israel will potentially be thrown under the bus?” the source reportedly said.

    Israel Fears ICC Arrest Warrants over Gaza War Crimes – What We Know So Far

A Wall Street Journal editorial urged on Saturday the US and the UK to intervene.

“Mr. Khan’s candidacy was championed by his native Britain and supported by the U.S., so both countries may have influence if they warn Mr. Khan of what will happen if he proceeds,” the editorial said.

“If they don’t, President Biden and Prime Minister Rishi Sunak risk finding Americans and Britons next under the gun” the editorial continued.

Gaza Genocide

Currently on trial before the International Court of Justice for genocide against Palestinians, Israel has been waging a devastating war on Gaza since October 7.

According to Gaza’s Ministry of Health, 34,454 Palestinians have been killed, and 77,575 wounded in Israel’s ongoing genocide in Gaza starting on October 7.

Moreover, at least 7,000 people are unaccounted for, presumed dead under the rubble of their homes throughout the Strip.

Palestinian and international organizations say that the majority of those killed and wounded are women and children.

The Israeli war has resulted in an acute famine, mostly in northern Gaza, resulting in the death of many Palestinians, mostly children.

The Israeli aggression has also resulted in the forceful displacement of nearly two million people from all over the Gaza Strip, with the vast majority of the displaced forced into the densely crowded southern city of Rafah near the border with Egypt – in what has become Palestine’s largest mass exodus since the 1948 Nakba.

(The Palestine Chronicle)


https://www.palestinechronicle.com/unnaturally-afraid-netanyahu-worried-icc-could-issue-arrest-warrants/


Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by wombatwoody on May 17th, 2024 at 1:21am
Happening live now at The Hague:

ICJ hears South Africa request over Israeli assault on Gaza’s Rafah


The International Court of Justice (ICJ) is holding hearings to discuss a request by South Africa seeking additional emergency measures over Israel’s offensive on Rafah, a city in southern Gaza where more than one million displaced Palestinians sought shelter from Israel’s war.

South African Professor Max du Plessis says Attacks on Rafah show ‘genocidal intent’:

Professor Max du Plessis says the fact that Israel pushed more than one million Palestinians into Rafah and then carried out a “full-scale bombardment” of the province, all while sealing it off from aid and exposing it to famine, he said, is evidence of this intent.

This shows that Israel’s use of evacuation zones are “purely performative”, only further “endangering” Palestinian life, du Plessis added.


South African lawyer Adila Hassim lists five features of what she describes as a “genocidal campaign by Israel”:

    Israel has continued to kill Palestinians in Gaza, including women and children, at an alarming rate.

    As a result of Israel’s onslaught, Palestinians in Gaza are facing what the undersecretary-general of the UN has described as the worst humanitarian crisis he has seen in more than 50 years.

    Israel’s systematic targeting and bombardment of hospitals and medical facilities and its throttling of humanitarian aid have pushed Gaza’s medical system to collapse.

    Israel’s direct attack and siege of Gaza’s biggest hospitals has led to the uncovering of mass graves evidencing Israeli massacres of Palestinians seeking shelter and medical treatment.

    Most recently, Israel has intensified its attacks in the north while pressing on with its Rafah offensive, leaving displaced Palestinians with nowhere safe to go.


Adila Hassim has provided more details on what she says are features of “genocidal conduct” in Gaza.


1. Killings: Since South Africa first appeared before the ICJ in January, she says, at least 11,500 Palestinians have been “directly killed by Israel”, the majority of them women and children. On average, two mothers and four children are killed every hour. “This onslaught has occurred despite the binding orders of this court”, she says.
   
2. Humanitarian catastrophe: Israel has created a humanitarian crisis in a “coordinated” way, she says, stopping food and aid from entering the enclave, while stopping the chronically sick and injured from getting out. Conditions in Gaza look set to worsen with Israel’s ongoing attacks on the north, middle and south”.
   
3. Crippling of Gaza’s medical system: Israel’s offensive on Rafah has further crippled Gaza’s health system, forcing most health facilities to shut down.


Live feed at Al Jazeera

Title: Re: ICJ rejects Israel's demand to dismiss case
Post by thegreatdivide on May 17th, 2024 at 12:17pm

Frank wrote on Apr 29th, 2024 at 9:10pm:
Israel have effectivly had full control of Gaza for over 50 years.

Bollocks, duckwit. Fowl bollocks.


Er ...Israel DID create the largest open air prison in the world,  regardless of whether Israel  had full control of Gaza or not.


Quote:
I am astonished that people like you, ignorant, empty-headed ****s and idiots you are, side with Hamas.

Barbaric, evil f***s, the lot of you.


Refuted above....you think Gaza was free after Israel "withdrew".

Deplorable.

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