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Drug Overdose Death Rates More than 106,000 persons in the U.S. died from drug-involved overdose in 2021, including illicit drugs and prescription opioids. The figure above is a bar and line graph showing the total number of U.S. drug overdose deaths involving select illicit or prescription drugs from 1999 to 2021. The bars are overlaid by lines showing the number of deaths by gender from 1999 to 2021 (Source: CDC WONDER). https://nida.nih.gov/research-topics/trends-statistics/overdose-death-rates

Making drugs illegal stopped people taking drugs.

The drug death rates can be legitimately compared to gun deaths because they both occur within the same population total.
Were they compared to another country then the rate per a set figure would have to be used.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 1^st, 2024 at 10:27pm:

Quote: Drug Overdose Death Rates More than 106,000 persons in the U.S. died from drug-involved overdose in 2021, including illicit drugs and prescription opioids. The figure above is a bar and line graph showing the total number of U.S. drug overdose deaths involving select illicit or prescription drugs from 1999 to 2021. The bars are overlaid by lines showing the number of deaths by gender from 1999 to 2021 (Source: CDC WONDER). https://nida.nih.gov/research-topics/trends-statistics/overdose-death-rates Making drugs illegal stopped people taking drugs.

How many innocent people that do not take drugs are killed by mass drug overdoses???

How many innocent school children are murdered by drug overdoses???

Who's decision is it take drugs!!!

All this bullshit comparison shows is how stupid the OP is....There is no comparison to self inflicted drug overdoses and mass shootings of innocent people!!!

::) ::) ::)

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King Jr. (1929 - 1968), Strength to Love, 1963

"I can't breath!"
...how many people were raped, bashed, killed, murdered, pillaged, had their livelihoods burnt to the ground, looted, etc?
All by some Fentanyl junkie's lack of personal responsibility and reluctance to comply to law?

For decades, many FBI agents would say "I can't breath!" when shoved into a police car, restrained, etc - because, while in plain clothes. They willingly refused to comply with Police Officers who were in an 'unsure' state of their identity until proven? Would you take it easy if some guy said he was FBI, refused to follow orders, etc? Hell no.
These FBI agents use their arrests as a means to sue the Police Departments for nice retirement payouts. They're basically 'scamming' the system and most Americans when the Police are called - all do the same "I can't breath." excuse to both Soccer Dive and not comply. George Floyd was no different.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 1^st, 2024 at 10:27pm:

Quote: Drug Overdose Death Rates More than 106,000 persons in the U.S. died from drug-involved overdose in 2021, including illicit drugs and prescription opioids. The figure above is a bar and line graph showing the total number of U.S. drug overdose deaths involving select illicit or prescription drugs from 1999 to 2021. The bars are overlaid by lines showing the number of deaths by gender from 1999 to 2021 (Source: CDC WONDER). https://nida.nih.gov/research-topics/trends-statistics/overdose-death-rates Making drugs illegal stopped people taking drugs.

I see. So who was in charge for the preceding four years?

Don't tell me - DL?

Ah.

The arguments here about gun laws have never been about deaths. Those wanting to further restrict our Rights don't care about anything except they feel we should have harsher restrictions on honest people while ignoring that subcultures are the overwhelming majority of offenders!

So, drug deaths are meant to excuse gun deaths then?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2024 at 9:32pm:

The arguments here about gun laws have never been about deaths. Those wanting to further restrict our Rights don't care about anything except they feel we should have harsher restrictions on honest people while ignoring that subcultures are the overwhelming majority of offenders!

The exclamation mark is probably somewhat superfluous here, Mort. I mean, one could probably say the same about, you know - school shootings!

Domestic homicides!

Youth suicides!

Do you think the use of punctuation gives these statistics the gravitas they deserve?

An attempted comparison between US firearm deaths and
drug overdose deaths is, of course, untenable.  I guess the
intention of this absurd OP was an attempt to diminish the
impact of gun deaths in some way.

US gun-related deaths from preventable, intentional, and
undetermined causes totalled 48,830 in 2021 —which as
well as being disastrous would be largely preventable by
rewriting the outmoded 2nd Amendment in order to suit a
21st century society as well as currently available firearms,
rather than 200-year-old  single shot long guns.

At any rate, it's highly unlikely that any nutjob with a grudge
against society is gonna walk into a shopping mall or school
armed with a handful of Es or a bag of meth and kill ten or
twenty people on the spot is it?

:)

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Don't forget to get you 25th Covid jab! ;)

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2024 at 11:26pm:

:)

If you made murder illegal, eh?

Good point, Baron. So I'm curious.

Why don't we make drugs legal?

Thoughts?

Possession of up to 50g of marijuana for
personal use should be made legal.

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2024 at 9:32pm:

The arguments here about gun laws have never been about deaths. Those wanting to further restrict our Rights don't care about anything except they feel we should have harsher restrictions on honest people while ignoring that subcultures are the overwhelming majority of offenders!

The subculture of white Americans?   :-/

"Between 1982 and December 2023, 80 out of the 149 mass shootings in the United States were carried out by White shooters. By comparison, the perpetrator was African American in 26 mass shootings, and Latino in 12. When calculated as percentages, this amounts to 54 percent, 17 percent, and eight percent respectively."

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2024 at 10:40pm:

An attempted comparison between US firearm deaths and drug overdose deaths is, of course, untenable.  I guess the intention of this absurd OP was an attempt to diminish the impact of gun deaths in some way. US gun-related deaths from preventable, intentional, and undetermined causes totalled 48,830 in 2021 —which as well as being disastrous would be largely preventable by rewriting the outmoded 2nd Amendment in order to suit a 21st century society as well as currently available firearms, - rather than 200-year-old  single shot long guns. At any rate, it's highly unlikely that any nutjob with a grudge against society is gonna walk into a shopping mall or school armed with a handful of Es or a bag of meth and kill ten or twenty people on the spot is it?

How would you rewrite the Second Amendment?

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2024 at 10:26am:

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 2nd, 2024 at 10:40pm: An attempted comparison between US firearm deaths and drug overdose deaths is, of course, untenable.  I guess the intention of this absurd OP was an attempt to diminish the impact of gun deaths in some way. US gun-related deaths from preventable, intentional, and undetermined causes totalled 48,830 in 2021 —which as well as being disastrous would be largely preventable by rewriting the outmoded 2nd Amendment in order to suit a 21st century society as well as currently available firearms, - rather than 200-year-old  single shot long guns. At any rate, it's highly unlikely that any nutjob with a grudge against society is gonna walk into a shopping mall or school armed with a handful of Es or a bag of meth and kill ten or twenty people on the spot is it? How would you rewrite the Second Amendment?

The right of people to keep and bear arms on their own property shall not be infringed.

Under no circumstance may a citizen carry a firearm in a public area, unless given a legal permit in the court of law.

Firearm purchasing and ownership requirements include: a legal background check, no criminal record, at least 21 years of age, and must be neurotypical.

Assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition firearms of all kinds are prohibited from purchasing or possessing by any individual.

Governmental agencies have the right to possess all forms of weapons in order to secure the
freedom of the state and safety of the country.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2024 at 10:11pm:

So, drug deaths are meant to excuse gun deaths then?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

No, it shows that you don't care about deaths. Just restricting the only people not responsible for gun deaths! It's the same problem with our democrats, they don't reason out problems. It is always about "how they feel" about an issue.

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2024 at 12:17am:

Possession of up to 50g of marijuana for personal use should be made legal.

The general population is stupid enough without making more Stoners. No gateway drugs should be legal in any amount!

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2024 at 6:27am:

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 2nd, 2024 at 9:32pm: The arguments here about gun laws have never been about deaths. Those wanting to further restrict our Rights don't care about anything except they feel we should have harsher restrictions on honest people while ignoring that subcultures are the overwhelming majority of offenders! The subculture of white Americans?   :-/ "Between 1982 and December 2023, 80 out of the 149 mass shootings in the United States were carried out by White shooters. By comparison, the perpetrator was African American in 26 mass shootings, and Latino in 12. When calculated as percentages, this amounts to 54 percent, 17 percent, and eight percent respectively."

Yes, subculture. Something you conveniently ignore. We are not the people who raise mass shooters, our children grow up to be well payed, productive citizens. Now if you would like to allow our democrats to immigrate they can bring their insanity to your country.

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2024 at 9:55pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 12:17am: Possession of up to 50g of marijuana for personal use should be made legal. The general population is stupid enough without making more Stoners. No gateway drugs should be legal in any amount!

Are you claiming all Trump supporters are stoners Mort....That would explain a lot....The gateway effect is exactly why recreational marijuana is being legalized....Users have to purchase through licenced dealers with less chance of them pushing harder drugs....You have no problem with people getting guns with no licence or checks yet worry about someone smoking pot....Looks like you don't need to smoke weed to be stupid Mort???

::) ::) ::)

Then there's the good ol' sporting YOBBO of Australia.
Slab a day, downers on anything from a XXXX to a VB, from a Swannie to a Resches. Wifebeaters and blue queensland singlets.

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2024 at 9:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2nd, 2024 at 10:11pm: So, drug deaths are meant to excuse gun deaths then?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) No, it shows that you don't care about deaths. Just restricting the only people not responsible for gun deaths! It's the same problem with our democrats, they don't reason out problems. It is always about "how they feel" about an issue.

*SIGH*

Your clairvoyance is working overtime it seems, Mort.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2024 at 10:16am:

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 9:55pm: AusGeoff wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 12:17am: Possession of up to 50g of marijuana for personal use should be made legal. The general population is stupid enough without making more Stoners. No gateway drugs should be legal in any amount! Are you claiming all Trump supporters are stoners Mort....That would explain a lot....The gateway effect is exactly why recreational marijuana is being legalized....Users have to purchase through licenced dealers with less chance of them pushing harder drugs....You have no problem with people getting guns with no licence or checks yet worry about someone smoking pot....Looks like you don't need to smoke weed to be stupid Mort??? ::) ::) ::)

You must be a user since I said nothing about any particular group but that is what you think you read. The only use for marijuana is to become intoxicated. Why do you need to become intoxicated?

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 4^th, 2024 at 10:26pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 4th, 2024 at 10:16am: Mortdooley wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 9:55pm: AusGeoff wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 12:17am: Possession of up to 50g of marijuana for personal use should be made legal. The general population is stupid enough without making more Stoners. No gateway drugs should be legal in any amount! Are you claiming all Trump supporters are stoners Mort....That would explain a lot....The gateway effect is exactly why recreational marijuana is being legalized....Users have to purchase through licenced dealers with less chance of them pushing harder drugs....You have no problem with people getting guns with no licence or checks yet worry about someone smoking pot....Looks like you don't need to smoke weed to be stupid Mort??? ::) ::) ::) You must be a user since I said nothing about any particular group but that is what you think you read. The only use for marijuana is to become intoxicated. Why do you need to become intoxicated?

We all need to become intoxicated, Mort.

Unless you have any alternatives - reality? Truth?

No. The important think is to keep hallucinating. Stay stoned.

Kids, do drugs. Take as many as you can. You're gonna need em to vibe with Mort and his friends.

We all do, no?

What is BaronVonRort smoking?

Doesn't the US Constitution confer the right that Americans can OD without hindrance?

Are US drug laws contrary to Darwinian theory?

The borders should be thrown wide open so that Cowboy mentality can reemerge and rescue America from itself.

Didn't the USA totally screw South America and create the nightmare South of the border?

What is BaronVonRort smoking?

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 4^th, 2024 at 12:12pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 9:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2nd, 2024 at 10:11pm: So, drug deaths are meant to excuse gun deaths then?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) No, it shows that you don't care about deaths. Just restricting the only people not responsible for gun deaths! It's the same problem with our democrats, they don't reason out problems. It is always about "how they feel" about an issue. *SIGH* Your clairvoyance is working overtime it seems, Mort.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

I can only go with what I see, you don't care about the cost in lives, just that those evil tools should be under the complete control of the government. Far be it for you to understand that guns prevent more crimes than they cause here. This is a time for honest people to consider what to do. The military age men who have entered this country  illegally far outnumber our law enforcement and military. Why would biden and his puppeteers want that?

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 4^th, 2024 at 10:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 4th, 2024 at 12:12pm: Mortdooley wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 9:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2nd, 2024 at 10:11pm: So, drug deaths are meant to excuse gun deaths then?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) No, it shows that you don't care about deaths. Just restricting the only people not responsible for gun deaths! It's the same problem with our democrats, they don't reason out problems. It is always about "how they feel" about an issue. *SIGH* Your clairvoyance is working overtime it seems, Mort.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) I can only go with what I see, you don't care about the cost in lives, just that those evil tools should be under the complete control of the government. Far be it for you to understand that guns prevent more crimes than they cause here. This is a time for honest people to consider what to do. The military age men who have entered this country bnbn illegally far outnumber our law enforcement and military. Why would biden and his puppeteers want that?

Who says they want it, Mort, except for people like you?  What was Trump doing when he was el Presidente?  Bugger all.  He tried to erect a fence that was easily circumvented, which he supposedly tried to have Mexico pay for. If you want someone who doesn't care about deaths look at Trump.  He did nothing about guns or drugs when el Presidente.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, what a WOFTAM.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 4^th, 2024 at 10:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 4th, 2024 at 12:12pm: Mortdooley wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 9:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2nd, 2024 at 10:11pm: So, drug deaths are meant to excuse gun deaths then?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) No, it shows that you don't care about deaths. Just restricting the only people not responsible for gun deaths! It's the same problem with our democrats, they don't reason out problems. It is always about "how they feel" about an issue. *SIGH* Your clairvoyance is working overtime it seems, Mort.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) I can only go with what I see, you don't care about the cost in lives, just that those evil tools should be under the complete control of the government. Far be it for you to understand that guns prevent more crimes than they cause here. This is a time for honest people to consider what to do. The military age men who have entered this country bnbn illegally far outnumber our law enforcement and military. Why would biden and his puppeteers want that?

More Guns Do Not Stop More Crimes, Evidence Shows

More firearms do not keep people safe, hard numbers show. Why do so many Americans believe the opposite?

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2024 at 10:57am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 10:26am: AusGeoff wrote on Feb 2nd, 2024 at 10:40pm: An attempted comparison between US firearm deaths and drug overdose deaths is, of course, untenable.  I guess the intention of this absurd OP was an attempt to diminish the impact of gun deaths in some way. US gun-related deaths from preventable, intentional, and undetermined causes totalled 48,830 in 2021 —which as well as being disastrous would be largely preventable by rewriting the outmoded 2nd Amendment in order to suit a 21st century society as well as currently available firearms, - rather than 200-year-old  single shot long guns. At any rate, it's highly unlikely that any nutjob with a grudge against society is gonna walk into a shopping mall or school armed with a handful of Es or a bag of meth and kill ten or twenty people on the spot is it? How would you rewrite the Second Amendment? The right of people to keep and bear arms on their own property shall not be infringed. Under no circumstance may a citizen carry a firearm in a public area, unless given a legal permit in the court of law. Firearm purchasing and ownership requirements include: a legal background check, no criminal record, at least 21 years of age, and must be neurotypical. Assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition firearms of all kinds are prohibited from purchasing or possessing by any individual. Governmental agencies have the right to possess all forms of weapons in order to secure the freedom of the state and safety of the country.

That’s not a rewrite that’s a list of suggestions for a rewrite.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5^th, 2024 at 12:44pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 4th, 2024 at 10:41pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 4th, 2024 at 12:12pm: Mortdooley wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 9:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2nd, 2024 at 10:11pm: So, drug deaths are meant to excuse gun deaths then?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) No, it shows that you don't care about deaths. Just restricting the only people not responsible for gun deaths! It's the same problem with our democrats, they don't reason out problems. It is always about "how they feel" about an issue. *SIGH* Your clairvoyance is working overtime it seems, Mort.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) I can only go with what I see, you don't care about the cost in lives, just that those evil tools should be under the complete control of the government. Far be it for you to understand that guns prevent more crimes than they cause here. This is a time for honest people to consider what to do. The military age men who have entered this country bnbn illegally far outnumber our law enforcement and military. Why would biden and his puppeteers want that? More Guns Do Not Stop More Crimes, Evidence Shows More firearms do not keep people safe, hard numbers show. Why do so many Americans believe the opposite?

Because the rate of murders has been in steady decline ,9.95 murders/100,000 in 1990 dropping to 6.81 in2021, whilst the number of guns in civilian hands rose .
Shewing that more guns means less crime.
“ The homicide rate in the United States is expected to plummet nearly 13% compared to 2022, meaning more than 2,000 fewer people were the victims of homicide this year, Jeff Asher, a national crime analyst, told ABC News.”
https://abcnews.go.com/US/homicide-numbers-poised-hit-record-decline-nationwide-americans/story?id=105556400

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 5^th, 2024 at 3:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 10:57am: Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 10:26am: AusGeoff wrote on Feb 2nd, 2024 at 10:40pm: An attempted comparison between US firearm deaths and drug overdose deaths is, of course, untenable.  I guess the intention of this absurd OP was an attempt to diminish the impact of gun deaths in some way. US gun-related deaths from preventable, intentional, and undetermined causes totalled 48,830 in 2021 —which as well as being disastrous would be largely preventable by rewriting the outmoded 2nd Amendment in order to suit a 21st century society as well as currently available firearms, - rather than 200-year-old  single shot long guns. At any rate, it's highly unlikely that any nutjob with a grudge against society is gonna walk into a shopping mall or school armed with a handful of Es or a bag of meth and kill ten or twenty people on the spot is it? How would you rewrite the Second Amendment? The right of people to keep and bear arms on their own property shall not be infringed. Under no circumstance may a citizen carry a firearm in a public area, unless given a legal permit in the court of law. Firearm purchasing and ownership requirements include: a legal background check, no criminal record, at least 21 years of age, and must be neurotypical. Assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition firearms of all kinds are prohibited from purchasing or possessing by any individual. Governmental agencies have the right to possess all forms of weapons in order to secure the freedom of the state and safety of the country. That’s not a rewrite ...

It is, actually.

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 5^th, 2024 at 3:44pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 12:44pm: Mortdooley wrote on Feb 4th, 2024 at 10:41pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 4th, 2024 at 12:12pm: Mortdooley wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 9:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2nd, 2024 at 10:11pm: So, drug deaths are meant to excuse gun deaths then?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) No, it shows that you don't care about deaths. Just restricting the only people not responsible for gun deaths! It's the same problem with our democrats, they don't reason out problems. It is always about "how they feel" about an issue. *SIGH* Your clairvoyance is working overtime it seems, Mort.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) I can only go with what I see, you don't care about the cost in lives, just that those evil tools should be under the complete control of the government. Far be it for you to understand that guns prevent more crimes than they cause here. This is a time for honest people to consider what to do. The military age men who have entered this country bnbn illegally far outnumber our law enforcement and military. Why would biden and his puppeteers want that? More Guns Do Not Stop More Crimes, Evidence Shows More firearms do not keep people safe, hard numbers show. Why do so many Americans believe the opposite? Because ...

Whatever the "because", mort was wrong.

More Guns Do Not Stop More Crimes, Evidence Shows

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5^th, 2024 at 4:32pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 3:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 10:57am: Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 10:26am: AusGeoff wrote on Feb 2nd, 2024 at 10:40pm: An attempted comparison between US firearm deaths and drug overdose deaths is, of course, untenable.  I guess the intention of this absurd OP was an attempt to diminish the impact of gun deaths in some way. US gun-related deaths from preventable, intentional, and undetermined causes totalled 48,830 in 2021 —which as well as being disastrous would be largely preventable by rewriting the outmoded 2nd Amendment in order to suit a 21st century society as well as currently available firearms, - rather than 200-year-old  single shot long guns. At any rate, it's highly unlikely that any nutjob with a grudge against society is gonna walk into a shopping mall or school armed with a handful of Es or a bag of meth and kill ten or twenty people on the spot is it? How would you rewrite the Second Amendment? The right of people to keep and bear arms on their own property shall not be infringed. Under no circumstance may a citizen carry a firearm in a public area, unless given a legal permit in the court of law. Firearm purchasing and ownership requirements include: a legal background check, no criminal record, at least 21 years of age, and must be neurotypical. Assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition firearms of all kinds are prohibited from purchasing or possessing by any individual. Governmental agencies have the right to possess all forms of weapons in order to secure the freedom of the state and safety of the country. That’s not a rewrite ... It is, actually.

You left a bit out and in no way is it a rewrite, suggest a good dictionary would help.

“ That’s not a rewrite that’s a list of suggestions for a rewrite.”
If you are going to quote then give the full quote or use the convention “ . . .then the part quote, followed by . . .if more quote would have followed.

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 5^th, 2024 at 5:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 4:32pm: Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 3:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 10:57am: Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 10:26am: AusGeoff wrote on Feb 2nd, 2024 at 10:40pm: An attempted comparison between US firearm deaths and drug overdose deaths is, of course, untenable.  I guess the intention of this absurd OP was an attempt to diminish the impact of gun deaths in some way. US gun-related deaths from preventable, intentional, and undetermined causes totalled 48,830 in 2021 —which as well as being disastrous would be largely preventable by rewriting the outmoded 2nd Amendment in order to suit a 21st century society as well as currently available firearms, - rather than 200-year-old  single shot long guns. At any rate, it's highly unlikely that any nutjob with a grudge against society is gonna walk into a shopping mall or school armed with a handful of Es or a bag of meth and kill ten or twenty people on the spot is it? How would you rewrite the Second Amendment? The right of people to keep and bear arms on their own property shall not be infringed. Under no circumstance may a citizen carry a firearm in a public area, unless given a legal permit in the court of law. Firearm purchasing and ownership requirements include: a legal background check, no criminal record, at least 21 years of age, and must be neurotypical. Assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition firearms of all kinds are prohibited from purchasing or possessing by any individual. Governmental agencies have the right to possess all forms of weapons in order to secure the freedom of the state and safety of the country. That’s not a rewrite ... It is, actually. You left a bit out and in no way is it a rewrite, suggest a good dictionary would help. “ That’s not a rewrite that’s a list of suggestions for a rewrite.” If you are going to quote then give the full quote or use the convention “ . . .then the part quote, followed by . . .if more quote would have followed.

You can deny it as much as you like, but you're wrong - it is a rewrite.

It's not by me; I should have included a link.

I'll look for it.

“Under no circumstance may a citizen carry a firearm in a public area, unless given a legal permit in the court of law.”
What about going to the assistance of a police officer who needs help?

Or to the assistance of a little old lady who is being threatened by a group of youths?

Or the next door neighbour who is being attacked in the street?

And why no criminal record?

The criminal offence may have nothing to do with violence, it may have been avoiding taxes, passing bad cheques and we should always remember that.time sentenced can be the definitor and this can vary from State to State and even vary within a State, in fact it can depend on weather the Judge got a nookie the night before.

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 5^th, 2024 at 7:21pm:

“Under no circumstance may a citizen carry a firearm in a public area, unless given a legal permit in the court of law.” What about going to the assistance of a police officer who needs help? Or to the assistance of a little old lady who is being threatened by a group of youths? Or the next door neighbour who is being attacked in the street?

I'd assume Greg means you need a permit to possess a permit to carry and to use and any "Law abiding Firearm Owner" would be quite willing to comply with that requirement.  I assume your such a creature, Eugene?

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5^th, 2024 at 8:04pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 7:21pm: “Under no circumstance may a citizen carry a firearm in a public area, unless given a legal permit in the court of law.” What about going to the assistance of a police officer who needs help? Or to the assistance of a little old lady who is being threatened by a group of youths? Or the next door neighbour who is being attacked in the street? I'd assume Greg means you need a permit to possess a permit to carry and to use and any "Law abiding Firearm Owner" would be quite willing to comply with that requirement.  I assume your such a creature, Eugene?

I am indeed and will defend our firearm laws ; I comply with the law in all respects, even those bits I don’t agree with.
But what I was pointing out above is that there appears to be no leeway..

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 5^th, 2024 at 8:17pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 8:04pm: Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 7:21pm: “Under no circumstance may a citizen carry a firearm in a public area, unless given a legal permit in the court of law.” What about going to the assistance of a police officer who needs help? Or to the assistance of a little old lady who is being threatened by a group of youths? Or the next door neighbour who is being attacked in the street? I'd assume Greg means you need a permit to possess a permit to carry and to use and any "Law abiding Firearm Owner" would be quite willing to comply with that requirement.  I assume your such a creature, Eugene? I am indeed and will defend our firearm laws ; I comply with the law in all respects, even those bits I don’t agree with. But what I was pointing out above is that there appears to be no leeway..

Is there ever any, "leeway" where the law is concerned about?  You seem to have some strange ideas about how the law operates.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5^th, 2024 at 11:45am:

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 4th, 2024 at 10:41pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 4th, 2024 at 12:12pm: Mortdooley wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 9:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2nd, 2024 at 10:11pm: So, drug deaths are meant to excuse gun deaths then?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) No, it shows that you don't care about deaths. Just restricting the only people not responsible for gun deaths! It's the same problem with our democrats, they don't reason out problems. It is always about "how they feel" about an issue. *SIGH* Your clairvoyance is working overtime it seems, Mort.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) I can only go with what I see, you don't care about the cost in lives, just that those evil tools should be under the complete control of the government. Far be it for you to understand that guns prevent more crimes than they cause here. This is a time for honest people to consider what to do. The military age men who have entered this country bnbn illegally far outnumber our law enforcement and military. Why would biden and his puppeteers want that? Who says they want it, Mort, except for people like you?  What was Trump doing when he was el Presidente?  Bugger all.  He tried to erect a fence that was easily circumvented, which he supposedly tried to have Mexico pay for. If you want someone who doesn't care about deaths look at Trump.  He did nothing about guns or drugs when el Presidente.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, what a WOFTAM.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Who? The current Administration does. You must not be getting the latest reports from the Border. Your sources must really censor and shape your information to be so ill informed. Illegals are given a choice of which sanctuary city they would like to be transported to. School children in those cities are now being sent home and their schools turned into "migrant centers". Our government is removing the American poor from public housing to make room for more of bidens future voters. Coming from a third world country to Estados Unidos  is better than winning the powerball lottery. Free housing, healthcare, food, utilities and a regular income while our homeless and veterans are ignored. The population of the United States has increased over ten percent since biden canceled sensible immigration laws. Before his first day as puppet we already had at least 40,000,000 unassimilated people with no love for the country they live in.

White America doesn't have a gun problem, pretending that is racist is hypocritical. Simple facts the people that built western civilization are not the problem. You people love to lump us all together. Western Europe has the same problems and for the same reasons. People with third world mentalities are the law breakers.

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 5^th, 2024 at 9:30pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 11:45am: Mortdooley wrote on Feb 4th, 2024 at 10:41pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 4th, 2024 at 12:12pm: Mortdooley wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 9:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2nd, 2024 at 10:11pm: So, drug deaths are meant to excuse gun deaths then?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) No, it shows that you don't care about deaths. Just restricting the only people not responsible for gun deaths! It's the same problem with our democrats, they don't reason out problems. It is always about "how they feel" about an issue. *SIGH* Your clairvoyance is working overtime it seems, Mort.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) I can only go with what I see, you don't care about the cost in lives, just that those evil tools should be under the complete control of the government. Far be it for you to understand that guns prevent more crimes than they cause here. This is a time for honest people to consider what to do. The military age men who have entered this country bnbn illegally far outnumber our law enforcement and military. Why would biden and his puppeteers want that? Who says they want it, Mort, except for people like you?  What was Trump doing when he was el Presidente?  Bugger all.  He tried to erect a fence that was easily circumvented, which he supposedly tried to have Mexico pay for. If you want someone who doesn't care about deaths look at Trump.  He did nothing about guns or drugs when el Presidente.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, what a WOFTAM.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Who? The current Administration does. You must not be getting the latest reports from the Border. Your sources must really censor and shape your information to be so ill informed. Illegals are given a choice of which sanctuary city they would like to be transported to. School children in those cities are now being sent home and their schools turned into "migrant centers". Our government is removing the American poor from public housing to make room for more of bidens future voters. Coming from a third world country to Estados Unidos  is better than winning the powerball lottery. Free housing, healthcare, food, utilities and a regular income while our homeless and veterans are ignored. The population of the United States has increased over ten percent since biden canceled sensible immigration laws. Before his first day as puppet we already had at least 40,000,000 unassimilated people with no love for the country they live in.

Funny, I can't find any public statements that support your view, Mort.  Care to provide a quote from Biden or any one in his Administration?  Anyone?  No, didn't think so.  You got any references to schools being closed?  Public Housing having American poor evicted?  Any at all?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 5^th, 2024 at 9:39pm:

White America doesn't have a gun problem, pretending that is racist is hypocritical. Simple facts the people that built western civilization are not the problem. You people love to lump us all together. Western Europe has the same problems and for the same reasons. People with third world mentalities are the law breakers.

Such Racism, such Xenophobia, Mort.  What ever happened to "Give us your poor, you destitute?" Are you a "Know Nothing"?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5^th, 2024 at 9:46pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 9:39pm: White America doesn't have a gun problem, pretending that is racist is hypocritical. Simple facts the people that built western civilization are not the problem. You people love to lump us all together. Western Europe has the same problems and for the same reasons. People with third world mentalities are the law breakers. Such Racism, such Xenophobia, Mort.  What ever happened to "Give us your poor, you destitute?" Are you a "Know Nothing"?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

There is a system of "Legal Immigration", if you bypass that you are a law breaker and need to be expelled!

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5^th, 2024 at 9:44pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 9:30pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 11:45am: Mortdooley wrote on Feb 4th, 2024 at 10:41pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 4th, 2024 at 12:12pm: Mortdooley wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 9:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2nd, 2024 at 10:11pm: So, drug deaths are meant to excuse gun deaths then?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) No, it shows that you don't care about deaths. Just restricting the only people not responsible for gun deaths! It's the same problem with our democrats, they don't reason out problems. It is always about "how they feel" about an issue. *SIGH* Your clairvoyance is working overtime it seems, Mort.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) I can only go with what I see, you don't care about the cost in lives, just that those evil tools should be under the complete control of the government. Far be it for you to understand that guns prevent more crimes than they cause here. This is a time for honest people to consider what to do. The military age men who have entered this country bnbn illegally far outnumber our law enforcement and military. Why would biden and his puppeteers want that? Who says they want it, Mort, except for people like you?  What was Trump doing when he was el Presidente?  Bugger all.  He tried to erect a fence that was easily circumvented, which he supposedly tried to have Mexico pay for. If you want someone who doesn't care about deaths look at Trump.  He did nothing about guns or drugs when el Presidente.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, what a WOFTAM.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Who? The current Administration does. You must not be getting the latest reports from the Border. Your sources must really censor and shape your information to be so ill informed. Illegals are given a choice of which sanctuary city they would like to be transported to. School children in those cities are now being sent home and their schools turned into "migrant centers". Our government is removing the American poor from public housing to make room for more of bidens future voters. Coming from a third world country to Estados Unidos  is better than winning the powerball lottery. Free housing, healthcare, food, utilities and a regular income while our homeless and veterans are ignored. The population of the United States has increased over ten percent since biden canceled sensible immigration laws. Before his first day as puppet we already had at least 40,000,000 unassimilated people with no love for the country they live in. Funny, I can't find any public statements that support your view, Mort.  Care to provide a quote from Biden or any one in his Administration?  Anyone?  No, didn't think so.  You got any references to schools being closed?  Public Housing having American poor evicted?  Any at all?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Reports are hard to find after originally reported.

Where are migrants being housed in NYC?
The city has proposed using a variety of locations as emergency housing for migrants. It has housed people in hotels, emergency tent shelters on Randall's Island, school gymnasiums and office buildings and is now looking to new places, like the parking lot of a state psychiatric hospital.Dec 6, 2023

New York wanted to seize the cruise ships that sail out of there but were told by the cruise lines they will relocate before that happens.

Chicago plan to house immigrants in school draws hundreds for heated town hall

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/?p=391939

NEW YORK -- New York City officials confirm a pilot program is being launched to provide some asylum seekers with pre-paid debit cards. The cards will be provided to an initial 500 families with children for use exclusively at bodegas, supermarkets and grocery and convenience stores.

You need to be a little more specific to find what was reported just a few days ago because a vague google search just doesn't find it. 

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 5^th, 2024 at 9:39pm:

White America doesn't have a gun problem, pretending that is racist is hypocritical. Simple facts the people that built western civilization are not the problem. You people love to lump us all together. Western Europe has the same problems and for the same reasons. People with third world mentalities are the law breakers.

You might want to resurrect the exclamation mark, Mort. With posts like this, dear, I feel you need it.

Try this:

White America doesn't have a gun problem, pretending that is racist is hypocritical! Simple facts the people that built western civilization are not the problem! You people love to lump us all together! Western Europe has the same problems and for the same reasons. People with third world mentalities are the law breakers!

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 5^th, 2024 at 9:39pm:

White America doesn't have a gun problem, pretending that is racist is hypocritical.

"White America" does have its own gun problem:

In 2020, 12,179 Black Americans were killed with guns compared
with 7,286 white Americans.
   —https://wisqars.cdc.gov/fatal-reports

That's more than 7K unnecessary deaths due to firearms.  If you
seriously consider that to be NOT a problem Mort, then you're even
less compassionate than I thought.  And, ironically, your comment
along these lines is itself based on your own inherent racism.


Mortdooley wrote on Feb 5^th, 2024 at 9:39pm:

Western Europe has the same problems and for the same reasons. People with third world mentalities are the law breakers.

Not so at all...

   Firearms and deaths by firearms in the EU.

There are currently 25 million gun owners in the EU. Together,
they own approximately 79.8 million guns. This means an average
gun ownership rate of 15.7 guns per 100 people.

The United States has the highest gun ownership rate with
120.5 firearms per 100 people. Yemen is second highest
with 52.8 firearms per 100 people.  In Australia, that figure
is only  3.4 firearms per 100 people.

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 5^th, 2024 at 9:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 9:46pm: Mortdooley wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 9:39pm: White America doesn't have a gun problem, pretending that is racist is hypocritical. Simple facts the people that built western civilization are not the problem. You people love to lump us all together. Western Europe has the same problems and for the same reasons. People with third world mentalities are the law breakers. Such Racism, such Xenophobia, Mort.  What ever happened to "Give us your poor, you destitute?" Are you a "Know Nothing"?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) There is a system of "Legal Immigration", if you bypass that you are a law breaker and need to be expelled!

Unless you are an Asylum Seeker, Mort.  You need to acquaint yourself with the law, mate.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 5^th, 2024 at 10:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 9:44pm: Mortdooley wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 9:30pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 11:45am: Mortdooley wrote on Feb 4th, 2024 at 10:41pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 4th, 2024 at 12:12pm: Mortdooley wrote on Feb 3rd, 2024 at 9:51pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 2nd, 2024 at 10:11pm: So, drug deaths are meant to excuse gun deaths then?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) No, it shows that you don't care about deaths. Just restricting the only people not responsible for gun deaths! It's the same problem with our democrats, they don't reason out problems. It is always about "how they feel" about an issue. *SIGH* Your clairvoyance is working overtime it seems, Mort.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) I can only go with what I see, you don't care about the cost in lives, just that those evil tools should be under the complete control of the government. Far be it for you to understand that guns prevent more crimes than they cause here. This is a time for honest people to consider what to do. The military age men who have entered this country bnbn illegally far outnumber our law enforcement and military. Why would biden and his puppeteers want that? Who says they want it, Mort, except for people like you?  What was Trump doing when he was el Presidente?  Bugger all.  He tried to erect a fence that was easily circumvented, which he supposedly tried to have Mexico pay for. If you want someone who doesn't care about deaths look at Trump.  He did nothing about guns or drugs when el Presidente.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, what a WOFTAM.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Who? The current Administration does. You must not be getting the latest reports from the Border. Your sources must really censor and shape your information to be so ill informed. Illegals are given a choice of which sanctuary city they would like to be transported to. School children in those cities are now being sent home and their schools turned into "migrant centers". Our government is removing the American poor from public housing to make room for more of bidens future voters. Coming from a third world country to Estados Unidos  is better than winning the powerball lottery. Free housing, healthcare, food, utilities and a regular income while our homeless and veterans are ignored. The population of the United States has increased over ten percent since biden canceled sensible immigration laws. Before his first day as puppet we already had at least 40,000,000 unassimilated people with no love for the country they live in. Funny, I can't find any public statements that support your view, Mort.  Care to provide a quote from Biden or any one in his Administration?  Anyone?  No, didn't think so.  You got any references to schools being closed?  Public Housing having American poor evicted?  Any at all?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Reports are hard to find after originally reported. Where are migrants being housed in NYC? The city has proposed using a variety of locations as emergency housing for migrants. It has housed people in hotels, emergency tent shelters on Randall's Island, school gymnasiums and office buildings and is now looking to new places, like the parking lot of a state psychiatric hospital.Dec 6, 2023 New York wanted to seize the cruise ships that sail out of there but were told by the cruise lines they will relocate before that happens. Chicago plan to house immigrants in school draws hundreds for heated town hall https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/?p=391939 NEW YORK -- New York City officials confirm a pilot program is being launched to provide some asylum seekers with pre-paid debit cards. The cards will be provided to an initial 500 families with children for use exclusively at bodegas, supermarkets and grocery and convenience stores. You need to be a little more specific to find what was reported just a few days ago because a vague google search just doesn't find it.

Which makes me think your scrabbling for stories to support your claims, Mort. Still waiting on your quotes from Biden and his Administration. Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 5^th, 2024 at 9:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 9:46pm: Mortdooley wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 9:39pm: White America doesn't have a gun problem, pretending that is racist is hypocritical. Simple facts the people that built western civilization are not the problem. You people love to lump us all together. Western Europe has the same problems and for the same reasons. People with third world mentalities are the law breakers. Such Racism, such Xenophobia, Mort.  What ever happened to "Give us your poor, you destitute?" Are you a "Know Nothing"?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) There is a system of "Legal Immigration", if you bypass that you are a law breaker and need to be expelled!

Not if you're claiming asylum.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 6^th, 2024 at 11:59am:

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 9:54pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 9:46pm: Mortdooley wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 9:39pm: White America doesn't have a gun problem, pretending that is racist is hypocritical. Simple facts the people that built western civilization are not the problem. You people love to lump us all together. Western Europe has the same problems and for the same reasons. People with third world mentalities are the law breakers. Such Racism, such Xenophobia, Mort.  What ever happened to "Give us your poor, you destitute?" Are you a "Know Nothing"?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) There is a system of "Legal Immigration", if you bypass that you are a law breaker and need to be expelled! Not if you're claiming asylum.

That's "legal immigration" in a nutshell: going to court and having your claim heard. That's the system.

If Mort wants to change this, he needs to encourage his federal representative to support legislative change.

Something tells me he won't. Something tells me Mort's just having a bit of a rant.

I do feel he needs more exclamation marks.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6^th, 2024 at 11:14am:

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 9:54pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 9:46pm: Mortdooley wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 9:39pm: White America doesn't have a gun problem, pretending that is racist is hypocritical. Simple facts the people that built western civilization are not the problem. You people love to lump us all together. Western Europe has the same problems and for the same reasons. People with third world mentalities are the law breakers. Such Racism, such Xenophobia, Mort.  What ever happened to "Give us your poor, you destitute?" Are you a "Know Nothing"?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) There is a system of "Legal Immigration", if you bypass that you are a law breaker and need to be expelled! Unless you are an Asylum Seeker, Mort.  You need to acquaint yourself with the law, mate.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

The current rules are ignored, if you need to apply for asylum you go to the nearest safe country. You do not enter the US and vanish into this country. If you are able to return home on occasion to visit family you do not qualify. Invaders are coached on what to say to CBP and then apply for free food, phones, housing and a labor free income. Sex and drug trafficking are at an all time high as is violent crimes.

https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/02/04/senate-releases-establishments-migration-bill/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=daily&utm_campaign=20240205

https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/02/05/bipartisan-border-bill-worse-than-skeptics-predicted/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=daily&utm_campaign=20240205

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/02/05/tom-cotton-opposes-pro-migration-bill-government-funded-lawyers-illegals-unchecked-aid-gaza/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=daily&utm_campaign=20240205

The only question is how long before the country falls. When freedom is lost in America it will soon be lost everywhere in the World.

Brietbart?  Bullshitters and poo stirrers, Mort.  Give me some real evidence, not from a right-wing mob like that. Asylum Seekers do not "disappear" anywhere. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6^th, 2024 at 9:43pm:

Brietbart?  Bullshitters and poo stirrers, Mort.  Give me some real evidence, not from a right-wing mob like that. Asylum Seekers do not "disappear" anywhere. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Why do you ALWAYS talk such complete rot, cockwomble? Why?





U.S. Immigration Courts & Aliens Who Disappear Before Trial



Key Takeaways
43 percent of all aliens free pending trial failed to appear for court in 2017.
Since 1996, 37 percent of all aliens free before trial disappeared from court.
Aliens abscond from court more often today than they did before 9/11.
Deportation orders for failing to appear in court exceed deportation orders from cases that were tried by 306 percent.
46 percent of all unaccompanied children disappeared from U.S. immigration courts from 2013 through 2017.
49 percent of unaccompanied children failed to appear in U.S. immigration courts in 2017.

https://cis.org/Report/Immigration-Courts-Aliens-Disappear-Trial

The author: Mark H. Metcalf is a former judge on the immigration court in Miami, Fla. Under President George W. Bush he served in several posts at the Justice and Defense Departments. In 2023 he was elected Kentucky State Treasurer

2017 is a fair time ago, Soren.  Try again.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 1:45pm:

2017 is a fair time ago, Soren.  Try again.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Do you have any more recent figures to hand, cockwomble? Any figures that show change in the last 6-7 years?
Any figures to show that things are different today?

Go on, numpty, you have doktoral level research skills, after all.

Asylum Seekers who know they will be welcomed by the country they are fleeing to, do not disappear.  The  problem is your hostility, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 2:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 1:45pm: 2017 is a fair time ago, Soren.  Try again.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Do you have any more recent figures to hand, cockwomble? Any figures that show change in the last 6-7 years? Any figures to show that things are different today? Go on, numpty, you have doktoral level research skills, after all. Yes, Brian, shew us your research skills and find where 3RAR were in 1954, I’ll give you a clue, just Google.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 2:43pm:

Asylum Seekers who know they will be welcomed by the country they are fleeing to, do not disappear.  The  problem is your hostility, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::)

Illegal immigrants are not welcome anywhere.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6^th, 2024 at 9:43pm:

Brietbart?  Bullshitters and poo stirrers, Mort.  Give me some real evidence, not from a right-wing mob like that. Asylum Seekers do not "disappear" anywhere. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

I don't care if you dismiss information from Brietbart but the MSM is nothing but shaped and slanted government talking points. There is no "news" in the once respected media. We have a legal system for immigration and if you don't go through that system you shouldn't be here. This biden encouraged invasion will destroy American culture and make it just another third world shithole. Today Middle America is called right-wing to make Patriotic peace loving Americans become perceived as some sort of fringe group.

Frank wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 9:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 2:43pm: Asylum Seekers who know they will be welcomed by the country they are fleeing to, do not disappear.  The  problem is your hostility, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Illegal immigrants are not welcome anywhere.

Who was talking about illegal immigrants, Soren? I was talking about Asylum Seekers, who are not illegals.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 9:57pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 9:06pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 2:43pm: Asylum Seekers who know they will be welcomed by the country they are fleeing to, do not disappear.  The  problem is your hostility, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Illegal immigrants are not welcome anywhere. Who was talking about illegal immigrants, Soren? I was talking about Asylum Seekers, who are not illegals.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

The millions pouring into the US and Europe are not asyum seekers, they are illegal immigrants.

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 9:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6th, 2024 at 9:43pm: Brietbart?  Bullshitters and poo stirrers, Mort.  Give me some real evidence, not from a right-wing mob like that. Asylum Seekers do not "disappear" anywhere. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) I don't care if you dismiss information from Brietbart but the MSM is nothing but shaped and slanted government talking points. There is no "news" in the once respected media. We have a legal system for immigration and if you don't go through that system you shouldn't be here. This biden encouraged invasion will destroy American culture and make it just another third world shithole. Today Middle America is called right-wing to make Patriotic peace loving Americans become perceived as some sort of fringe group.

I am still waiting for your quotes from Biden or anyone in his Administration that did that, Mort.  Not Breitbart but from the real media, you know?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 9:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 9:57pm: Frank wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 9:06pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 2:43pm: Asylum Seekers who know they will be welcomed by the country they are fleeing to, do not disappear.  The  problem is your hostility, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Illegal immigrants are not welcome anywhere. Who was talking about illegal immigrants, Soren? I was talking about Asylum Seekers, who are not illegals.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) The millions pouring into the US and Europe are not asyum seekers, they are illegal immigrants.

According to whom?  You?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me, you'd send Albert Einstein to the death camps, quite happily, Soren, you Xenophobe.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 5^th, 2024 at 11:29pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 9:39pm: White America doesn't have a gun problem, pretending that is racist is hypocritical. "White America" does have its own gun problem: In 2020, 12,179 Black Americans were killed with guns compared with 7,286 white Americans.    —https://wisqars.cdc.gov/fatal-reports That's more than 7K unnecessary deaths due to firearms.  If you seriously consider that to be NOT a problem Mort, then you're even less compassionate than I thought.  And, ironically, your comment along these lines is itself based on your own inherent racism. Mortdooley wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 9:39pm: Western Europe has the same problems and for the same reasons. People with third world mentalities are the law breakers. Not so at all...    Firearms and deaths by firearms in the EU. There are currently 25 million gun owners in the EU. Together, they own approximately 79.8 million guns. This means an average gun ownership rate of 15.7 guns per 100 people. The United States has the highest gun ownership rate with 120.5 firearms per 100 people. Yemen is second highest with 52.8 firearms per 100 people.  In Australia, that figure is only  3.4 firearms per 100 people.

LOL...

As per usual, when Mort is confronted with accurate but contradictory
claims—as supported with accredited statistical links—rather than
silly memes—he suddenly goes dark, and avoids addressing those claims.

   Weak as piss.     ::)

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 1:23am:

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 11:29pm: Mortdooley wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 9:39pm: White America doesn't have a gun problem, pretending that is racist is hypocritical. "White America" does have its own gun problem: In 2020, 12,179 Black Americans were killed with guns compared with 7,286 white Americans.    —https://wisqars.cdc.gov/fatal-reports That's more than 7K unnecessary deaths due to firearms.  If you seriously consider that to be NOT a problem Mort, then you're even less compassionate than I thought.  And, ironically, your comment along these lines is itself based on your own inherent racism. Mortdooley wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 9:39pm: Western Europe has the same problems and for the same reasons. People with third world mentalities are the law breakers. Not so at all...    Firearms and deaths by firearms in the EU. There are currently 25 million gun owners in the EU. Together, they own approximately 79.8 million guns. This means an average gun ownership rate of 15.7 guns per 100 people. The United States has the highest gun ownership rate with 120.5 firearms per 100 people. Yemen is second highest with 52.8 firearms per 100 people.  In Australia, that figure is only  3.4 firearms per 100 people. LOL... As per usual, when Mort is confronted with accurate but contradictory claims—as supported with accredited statistical links—rather than silly memes—he suddenly goes dark, and avoids addressing those claims.    Weak as piss.     ::)

Mort's point is that violent crime in Europe, as in America, disproportionately caused by tinted demographics.


Knife crime in England is black crime. Violent crime in Scandinavia is largely immigrants from the deeply tanned third world.

Frank wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 6:33am:

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 1:23am: AusGeoff wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 11:29pm: Mortdooley wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 9:39pm: White America doesn't have a gun problem, pretending that is racist is hypocritical. "White America" does have its own gun problem: In 2020, 12,179 Black Americans were killed with guns compared with 7,286 white Americans.    —https://wisqars.cdc.gov/fatal-reports That's more than 7K unnecessary deaths due to firearms.  If you seriously consider that to be NOT a problem Mort, then you're even less compassionate than I thought.  And, ironically, your comment along these lines is itself based on your own inherent racism. Mortdooley wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 9:39pm: Western Europe has the same problems and for the same reasons. People with third world mentalities are the law breakers. Not so at all...    Firearms and deaths by firearms in the EU. There are currently 25 million gun owners in the EU. Together, they own approximately 79.8 million guns. This means an average gun ownership rate of 15.7 guns per 100 people. The United States has the highest gun ownership rate with 120.5 firearms per 100 people. Yemen is second highest with 52.8 firearms per 100 people.  In Australia, that figure is only  3.4 firearms per 100 people. LOL... As per usual, when Mort is confronted with accurate but contradictory claims—as supported with accredited statistical links—rather than silly memes—he suddenly goes dark, and avoids addressing those claims.    Weak as piss. Mort's point is that violent crime in Europe, as in America, disproportionately caused by tinted demographics.

But that doesn't in any way excuse the more than 7,000 firearm
deaths caused by white Americans does it?   And why introduce
EU statistics anyway?  To suggest there's any concomitancy with
European societal standards and America's is absurd.


Frank wrote on Feb 8^th, 2024 at 6:33am:

Knife crime in England is black crime. Violent crime in Scandinavia is largely immigrants from the deeply tanned third world.

At any rate, knife crimes in England or Scandinavia have nothing at
all to do with gun crimes in America.

  —You can't kill ten or 20 people on the spot with a knife anyway.    ::)

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 3:24am:

Frank wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 6:33am: AusGeoff wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 1:23am: AusGeoff wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 11:29pm: Mortdooley wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 9:39pm: White America doesn't have a gun problem, pretending that is racist is hypocritical. "White America" does have its own gun problem: In 2020, 12,179 Black Americans were killed with guns compared with 7,286 white Americans.    —https://wisqars.cdc.gov/fatal-reports That's more than 7K unnecessary deaths due to firearms.  If you seriously consider that to be NOT a problem Mort, then you're even less compassionate than I thought.  And, ironically, your comment along these lines is itself based on your own inherent racism. Mortdooley wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 9:39pm: Western Europe has the same problems and for the same reasons. People with third world mentalities are the law breakers. Not so at all...    Firearms and deaths by firearms in the EU. There are currently 25 million gun owners in the EU. Together, they own approximately 79.8 million guns. This means an average gun ownership rate of 15.7 guns per 100 people. The United States has the highest gun ownership rate with 120.5 firearms per 100 people. Yemen is second highest with 52.8 firearms per 100 people.  In Australia, that figure is only  3.4 firearms per 100 people. LOL... As per usual, when Mort is confronted with accurate but contradictory claims—as supported with accredited statistical links—rather than silly memes—he suddenly goes dark, and avoids addressing those claims.    Weak as piss. Mort's point is that violent crime in Europe, as in America, disproportionately caused by tinted demographics. But that doesn't in any way excuse the more than 7,000 firearm deaths caused by white Americans does it?   And why introduce EU statistics anyway?  To suggest there's any concomitancy with European societal standards and America's is absurd. Frank wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 6:33am: Knife crime in England is black crime. Violent crime in Scandinavia is largely immigrants from the deeply tanned third world. At any rate, knife crimes in England or Scandinavia have nothing at all to do with gun crimes in America.   —You can't kill ten or 20 people on the spot with a knife anyway.    ::)

I know, Geoff, but you must admit, the old boy has a point. Whatabout the Jigaboos?

As Tucker says, Whitey just doesn't fight that way, it's not how we roll.

Sure, it can get really exciting when you see a crowd of red-blooded American patriots beat up a spade

Tucker's not proud about it, but he likes to watch the videos, cheering Whitey on. It can give one a cathartic sense of satisfaction to watch Leroy get what's coming, no?

As the old boy says, you go, Tucker, you good thing.

Gun murder is overwhelmingly a tinted/black crime in The US.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/figures/mm7226a9-F.gif
https://blogs.cdc.gov/nchs/2023/06/30/7410/


Gun death by suicide is highest among whites.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/figures/mm7041a5-F.gif
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7041a5.htm



Here's the Swedish data on criminality by race and ethnicity, from a Danish magazine:
The figure shows the proportion of people in the age group 15+ (all people who are 15 or older) who have been suspected of crime in the period 2015-2018, divided by area of ​​origin.
https://d24s34aqhdyd19.cloudfront.net/library/Figur_3.png
https://kontrast.dk/sektioner/debat/artikel/nye-svenske-krimital-viser-prisen-for-indvandring

Good ol' Frank. Always reliable with the racist knowledge.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7^th, 2024 at 9:57pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 9:06pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 2:43pm: Asylum Seekers who know they will be welcomed by the country they are fleeing to, do not disappear.  The  problem is your hostility, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Illegal immigrants are not welcome anywhere. Who was talking about illegal immigrants, Soren? I was talking about Asylum Seekers, who are not illegals.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Most of them are illegal immigrants.

Genuine asylum seekers present at legal border crossings and seek asylum there, in accordance with international law, stating their claim and identifying themselves.
Genuine asylum seekers do not try to circumvent legal avenues and just pour in illegally, destroying passports and identity documents,  lying about who they are, etc, etc.

You don't fly commercial to Mexico, Indonesia, Malaysia, Labia, etc and then pay smugglers to convey you illegally into a Western country that doesn't want you and has no use for you.

You are trading on being tinted. NO tinted country would accept you under these conditions. They would tell you, rightly, to **** off. But you exploit whitey's niceness and faux guilt. You are all chancy, oportunnist nigglers.
Shame.


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Frank wrote on Feb 14^th, 2024 at 9:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 9:57pm: Frank wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 9:06pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 2:43pm: Asylum Seekers who know they will be welcomed by the country they are fleeing to, do not disappear.  The  problem is your hostility, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Illegal immigrants are not welcome anywhere. Who was talking about illegal immigrants, Soren? I was talking about Asylum Seekers, who are not illegals.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Most of them are illegal immigrants. Genuine asylum seekers present at legal border crossings and seek asylum there, in accordance with international law, stating their claim and identifying themselves. Genuine asylum seekers do not try to circumvent legal avenues and just pour in illegally, destroying passports and identity documents,  lying about who they are, etc, etc. You don't fly commercial to Mexico, Indonesia, Malaysia, Labia, etc and then pay smugglers to convey you illegally into a Western country that doesn't want you and has no use for you. You are trading on being tinted. NO tinted country would accept you under these conditions. They would tell you, rightly, to **** off. But you exploit whitey's niceness and faux guilt. You are all chancy, oportunnist nigglers. Shame. .

I think you mean "Libya" not a Woman's sexual organs, Soren.  Obviously the Racist site where you copied that from is as ignorant as you are.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

“You can't kill ten or 20 people on the spot with a knife anyway.    Roll Eyes”

But a good knife man, who understands anatomy will kill a lot of people in a crowd and probably walk away.

Frank wrote on Feb 14^th, 2024 at 9:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 9:57pm: Frank wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 9:06pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 2:43pm: Asylum Seekers who know they will be welcomed by the country they are fleeing to, do not disappear.  The  problem is your hostility, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   ::) ::) Illegal immigrants are not welcome anywhere. Who was talking about illegal immigrants, Soren? I was talking about Asylum Seekers, who are not illegals.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Most of them are illegal immigrants. ... .

No.

Quite the opposite.

Marla wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 9:45am:

Good ol' Frank. Always reliable with the racist knowledge.

Yep.

If you want some racist stats that are completely wrong, Frank's your man guy.

Marla wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 9:45am:

Good ol' Frank. Always reliable with the racist knowledge.

Those are stats from the US Centers of Disease Control and Prevention, dopey pervert.

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 9^th, 2024 at 3:24am:

Frank wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 6:33am: AusGeoff wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 1:23am: AusGeoff wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 11:29pm: Mortdooley wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 9:39pm: White America doesn't have a gun problem, pretending that is racist is hypocritical. "White America" does have its own gun problem: In 2020, 12,179 Black Americans were killed with guns compared with 7,286 white Americans.    —https://wisqars.cdc.gov/fatal-reports That's more than 7K unnecessary deaths due to firearms.  If you seriously consider that to be NOT a problem Mort, then you're even less compassionate than I thought.  And, ironically, your comment along these lines is itself based on your own inherent racism. Mortdooley wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 9:39pm: Western Europe has the same problems and for the same reasons. People with third world mentalities are the law breakers. Not so at all...    Firearms and deaths by firearms in the EU. There are currently 25 million gun owners in the EU. Together, they own approximately 79.8 million guns. This means an average gun ownership rate of 15.7 guns per 100 people. The United States has the highest gun ownership rate with 120.5 firearms per 100 people. Yemen is second highest with 52.8 firearms per 100 people.  In Australia, that figure is only  3.4 firearms per 100 people. LOL... As per usual, when Mort is confronted with accurate but contradictory claims—as supported with accredited statistical links—rather than silly memes—he suddenly goes dark, and avoids addressing those claims.    Weak as piss. Mort's point is that violent crime in Europe, as in America, disproportionately caused by tinted demographics. But that doesn't in any way excuse the more than 7,000 firearm deaths caused by white Americans does it?   And why introduce EU statistics anyway?  To suggest there's any concomitancy with European societal standards and America's is absurd. Frank wrote on Feb 8th, 2024 at 6:33am: Knife crime in England is black crime. Violent crime in Scandinavia is largely immigrants from the deeply tanned third world. At any rate, knife crimes in England or Scandinavia have nothing at all to do with gun crimes in America.   —You can't kill ten or 20 people on the spot with a knife anyway.    ::)

You can’t?
See, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagamihara_stabbings
19 dead and 27 injured.