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Message started by Laugh till you cry on Feb 5th, 2024 at 2:25pm

Title: The US and World turning against Israel
Post by Laugh till you cry on Feb 5th, 2024 at 2:25pm
"Half of U.S. adults say Israel’s 15-week-old military campaign in Gaza has “gone too far,” Its the Republicans who are growing in numbers against Israel.

What can one say.

Has Israel delegitimized itself?

Has Israel committed its own genocide of itself?

No doubt the simultaneous anus and head-scratching of Ozpolitic Zionists will produce some interesting opinions.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/half-of-u-s-adults-say-israel-has-gone-too-far-in-war-in-gaza-ap-norc-poll-says


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Half of U.S. adults say Israel has gone too far in war in Gaza, AP-NORC poll says
World Feb 2, 2024 1:56 PM EST

WASHINGTON (AP) — Half of U.S. adults say Israel’s 15-week-old military campaign in Gaza has “gone too far,” a finding driven mainly by growing disapproval among Republicans and political independents, according to a new poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research.

Broadly, the poll shows support for Israel and the Biden administration’s handling of the situation ebbing slightly further across the board. The poll shows 31 percent of U.S. adults approve of Biden’s handling of the conflict, including just 46 percent of Democrats. That’s as an earlier spike in support for Israel following the Hamas attacks Oct. 7 sags.

Melissa Morales, a 36-year-old political independent in Runnemede, New Jersey, says she finds herself watching videos and news from Gaza daily. Images of Palestinian children wounded, orphaned or unhoused by the fighting in Gaza make her mind go to her own 3-year-old boy.

“I just can’t even imagine, like, my son roaming the streets, wanting to be safe. Wanting his mom. Or just wanting someone to get him,” she said.

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Israel’s offensive has gone too far, Morales says, and so has the Biden administration’s support for it. Biden has supported Israel militarily and diplomatically since the first hours after the Hamas militant group’s Oct. 7 attacks, which Israel says killed 1,200 people.

The U.S. has become increasingly isolated in its support of Israel as the Palestinian death toll rises past 27,000, with two-thirds of the victims women and children. The Biden administration says it is pressing Israel to reduce its killing of civilians and allow in more humanitarian aid.

“These kids … they’re needing the end of this,” Morales said. “It’s such an unfair fight.”

John Milor, a cybersecurity expert in Clovis, California, who describes himself as a Republican-voting independent, says he remains “100 percent” behind Israel.

But Milor notices more young people in his circle speaking out against Israel. A visit to a family friend led to Milor being aghast when the man’s stepson denounced Israelis as “warmongers.”

“And I’m like, ”You’re kidding, right?”‘ Milor recounted.

‘’It’s not like they asked to be attacked, you know,” Milor said by phone this week. “And they still have hostages over there.”

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The poll shows 33 percent of Republicans now say Israel’s military response has gone too far, up from 18 percent in November. Fifty-two percent of independents say that, up from 39 percent. Sixty-two percent of Democrats say they feel that way, roughly the same majority as in November.

In all, 50 percent of U.S. adults now believe Israel’s military offensive has gone beyond what it should have, the poll found. That’s up from 40 percent in an AP-NORC poll conducted in November.

The new poll was conducted from Jan. 25 to 28. That overlapped with the killing of three U.S. troops in Jordan, the first deaths among American service members in what’s been widening regional conflict since Oct. 7. U.S. officials blamed a drone strike by a Hamas-allied militia.

The new poll’s findings include more worrying news for President Joe Biden when it comes to support from his own political party.

Fracture lines are growing in his Democratic base, with some key Democratic blocs that Biden will likely need if he’s going to win a second term unhappy with his handling of the conflict.

About 6 in 10 non-white Democrats disapprove of how Biden is approaching the conflict, while about half of white Democrats approve.

Notably, about 7 in 10 Democrats under 45 disapprove. That’s the opposite of the attitude of older Democrats, among whom nearly 6 in 10 approve.

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Sarah Jackson, a 31-year-old professional closet designer in Chicago, is a Democrat. She says Biden has been about right in his level of support for both Israel and the Palestinians.

But as Israel’s air and ground offensive goes on, Jackson’s thoughts turn to finding the best way to phase down U.S. support for it, she says.

“At first I was very supportive, because I did believe they need some type of help,” Jackson said.

“But yes, as it goes on, I do become more worried,” she said. That includes worrying a new leader will take office here, and phase down support for Israel too abruptly, she says.

About 7 in 10 of the Democrats who disapprove of Biden’s handling of the conflict say it’s extremely or very important for the U.S. to help negotiate a permanent ceasefire. ...

Title: Re: The US and World turning against Israel
Post by freediver on Feb 5th, 2024 at 4:30pm

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"Half of U.S. adults say Israel’s 15-week-old military campaign in Gaza has “gone too far,” Its the Republicans who are growing in numbers against Israel.


If half the population thinks you've gone too far, and half don't, what does that actually tell you?

Title: Re: The US and World turning against Israel
Post by Mattyfisk on Feb 5th, 2024 at 5:54pm

freediver wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 4:30pm:

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"Half of U.S. adults say Israel’s 15-week-old military campaign in Gaza has “gone too far,” Its the Republicans who are growing in numbers against Israel.


If half the population thinks you've gone too far, and half don't, what does that actually tell you?


Interesting opinion there, FD. If fifty-two percent of independents think you've gone too far, along with sixty-two percent of Democrats, 33 percent of Republicans and 67 percent of Republicans just waiting to be told what to think, I'd say that's a question, wouldn't you?

Just remember, sometimes a question is just a question.

Title: Re: The US and World turning against Israel
Post by Laugh till you cry on Feb 5th, 2024 at 6:02pm

freediver wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 4:30pm:

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"Half of U.S. adults say Israel’s 15-week-old military campaign in Gaza has “gone too far,” Its the Republicans who are growing in numbers against Israel.


If half the population thinks you've gone too far, and half don't, what does that actually tell you?


Nice try propagandizing.

If half the population thinks the Jews have gone too far it doesn't mean the other half don't think the Jews have gone too far.

70+% of the US population supports a ceasefire which means that they oppose Israel's policy which is against a ceasefire.

The IDF are being embarrassed by a ragtag force of Hamas fighters who are more courageous and resourceful than the IDF soldiers.

Israel is hiding the true numbers of its casualties and the tremendous number of wounded that will have permanent disabilities.

Perhaps if the women and children of Palestine had been armed the Jews would already have left Israel.

Title: Re: The US and World turning against Israel
Post by freediver on Feb 5th, 2024 at 7:08pm

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If half the population thinks the Jews have gone too far it doesn't mean the other half don't think the Jews have gone too far.


What does it mean then? That 50% think they have gone to far, while the other 50% also think they have gone to far?

Title: Re: The US and World turning against Israel
Post by JaSin of Peanut Butter on Feb 5th, 2024 at 7:23pm
Personally the USA 'Sheriff' doesn't really give a hoot about what goes on between a Military that is on its way out of the Middle-East and a Military that is on its way in to the Middle-East.
The USA 'Media' on the other-hand. Expert in Entertainment and Music seems to think it knows what Military and Politics is all about in the world, especially beyond it's own Borders.


Title: Re: The US and World turning against Israel
Post by Dnarever on Feb 5th, 2024 at 7:31pm
You can only murder so many children before someone notices.

Title: Re: The US and World turning against Israel
Post by JaSin of Peanut Butter on Feb 5th, 2024 at 7:36pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 5th, 2024 at 7:31pm:
You can only murder so many children before someone notices.

Australian SAS love killing civilians armed with mobile phones.
;) Genocider? :-?

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