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Title: Rapist Loses Again Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 7th, 2024 at 5:54am Court rules Trump does not have immunity from 2020 election subversion prosecution Criminal defendant/rapist Donald Trump is not immune from prosecution for alleged crimes he committed during his presidency to reverse the 2020 election results, a federal appeals court said Tuesday. The ruling is a major blow to Trump’s key defense thus far in the federal election subversion case brought against him by special counsel Jack Smith. Trump faces four counts from the case, including conspiring to defraud the United States and to obstruct an official proceeding. |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by John Smith on Feb 7th, 2024 at 6:00am
so much winning ;D ;D
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Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 7th, 2024 at 7:52am John Smith wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 6:00am:
;D Court case after court case after court case, loss after loss after loss. Which lawyer will quit today? |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 7th, 2024 at 10:35am Trump’s behavior after the 2020 election could be criminal: The judges made it clear that Trump's actions could be prosecuted in a court of law. "Vital public interest" of letting trial proceed weighed heavily on the court: The judges cited the public interest in accountability for potential crimes committed by a former president, and how that overcame Trump’s argument that immunity was necessary to protect the institution of the presidency. They flatly rejected Trump’s claim that his criminal indictment would have a “chilling effect” on future administrations. :) |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by Bobby. on Feb 7th, 2024 at 10:37am
It's going to the Supreme Court where the Deep State is less in charge. ;)
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Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by John Smith on Feb 7th, 2024 at 10:44am Bobby. wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 10:37am:
and what? You think the supreme court is going to rule that trump is exempt from following the laws of the USA? That their laws don't apply to him? Christ you're an idiot |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by philperth2010 on Feb 7th, 2024 at 10:51am Bobby. wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 10:37am:
No other court in the land has supported any of Trumps bullshit Bobby....The argument that the President of the United States is not subject to the laws of the land and can commit crimes without being held accountable is doomed to fail....This stunt is all about delaying the trial until after the 2024 election where Trump is hoping he can give himself a pardon!!! ::) ::) ::) https://news.yahoo.com/trump-legal-news-brief-even-in-unanimous-appeals-court-defeat-trump-succeeds-in-delaying-election-interference-trial-181537456.html |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 7th, 2024 at 10:52am The federal prosecution of a former President fits the case “[w]hen judicial action is needed to serve broad public interests” in order to “vindicate the public interest in an ongoing criminal prosecution.” Fitzgerald, 457 U.S. at 754. The risks of chilling Presidential action or permitting meritless, harassing prosecutions are unlikely, unsupported by history and “too remote and shadowy to shape the course of justice.” See Clark, 289 U.S. at 16. We therefore conclude that functional policy considerations rooted in the structure of our government do not immunize former Presidents from federal criminal prosecution. |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by philperth2010 on Feb 7th, 2024 at 10:56am John Smith wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 10:44am:
My guess is the Supreme Court will not hear the case and punt it back to Judge Chutkan who will then preside over Trumps criminal trial....Trump will try to delay as long as possible in the hope he can swindle the next election and pardon his own fat arse!!! :-? :-? :-? https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1754897292027424845 |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by philperth2010 on Feb 7th, 2024 at 11:01am greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 10:52am:
Exactly....Expect some memes and abuse from the MAGA mob who will no doubt incite the fury of the scripture to pronounce Trump the Messiah....It's all they have left to argue??? ::) ::) ::) |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 7th, 2024 at 12:20pm philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 11:01am:
They've never had anything in the way of an argument. They're just sore losers. |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by Bobby. on Feb 7th, 2024 at 12:33pm philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 10:56am:
The Supreme Court will decide not you. Harry Truman was never charged with dropping atomic bombs on women and children at Hiroshima and Nagasaki - over 200,000 dead - vaporized - no military target - clearly a war crime. Presidents have immunity from their crimes. |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 7th, 2024 at 12:38pm Bobby. wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 12:33pm:
So, if President Biden wants to have the orange rapist kidnapped & then illegally detained for the rest of his life in Guantanamo, he can do that and suffer no consequences? If President Biden hires a hit man to whack Tucker Carlson, the POTUS will be immune from any prosecution? |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by philperth2010 on Feb 7th, 2024 at 12:39pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 12:20pm:
Yet they are so good at loosing every time their bullshit is tested in a court of law....The twice impeached ex President will go down in history as the most corrupt President to ever hold the office....When will people (MAGA) wake up to this flake??? ::) ::) ::) |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by Bobby. on Feb 7th, 2024 at 12:41pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 12:38pm:
Yep - the president was going to kill Julian Assange at one point. Presidents are above the law - they can even murder people. |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 7th, 2024 at 12:43pm philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 12:39pm:
For 99% of them, never. It's a cult. |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 7th, 2024 at 12:49pm Bobby. wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 12:41pm:
So, for example, a convicted child sex offender waiting to go on trial (and who allegedly raped a child with a President, before they became POTUS) could "commit suicide" in his prison cell whilst on 24 hour suicide watch and nobody would bat an eyelid? |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by philperth2010 on Feb 7th, 2024 at 12:58pm Bobby. wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 12:33pm:
Unlike you I am not claiming I know what the Supreme Court will decide....It is not up to you to determine the meaning of the US Constitution is it....You are a hypocrite declaring it is up to the Supreme Court and then declaring the outcome....Dickhead!!! ::) ::) ::) |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 7th, 2024 at 1:12pm philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 12:58pm:
It's just ludicrous to suggest that the Supreme Court would rule in favour of the POTUS having immunity from all crimes. That leaves the door open for a Republican President to remove all Democrat-appointed Supreme Court Justices by any means they want. Or, for a Democrat President to remove all GOP-appointed Supreme Court Justices. They will never cede their power like that. |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by Bobby. on Feb 7th, 2024 at 1:27pm philperth2010 wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 12:58pm:
It was your guess - dickhead. |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by philperth2010 on Feb 7th, 2024 at 1:40pm Bobby. wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 1:27pm:
Yes I made a guess I did not not state it as fact....You claimed Presidents have immunity from their crimes which is a statement of fact....How do you know how the Supreme Court will vote??? ::) ::) ::) |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by John Smith on Feb 7th, 2024 at 5:00pm Bobby. wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 1:27pm:
My god ., just when I thought you couldn't get any more stupid ;D ;D |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 7th, 2024 at 5:05pm Bobby. wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 10:37am:
Why would it go to the SC, Bobby? What would be the grounds for appeal? Read the 57 page ruling and tell me where there's an opening for an appeal? Every legal expert in the country - from the left and the right - is saying that the ruling is "air tight" and "bullet proof". It's been described as one of the best legal rulings ever made, in so much as it completely destroys every argument made by the appellant. By all means though, tell us all where you think the three judges went wrong thus requiring the SC to review the decision. |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by Mattyfisk on Feb 7th, 2024 at 5:17pm Bobby. wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 10:37am:
Just so, Bobby. And how do you think the Supreme Court will rule on the idea of crime being prosecuted in courts? Do you want to run this one past Panther? He's our resident constitutional scholar, no? |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by Mattyfisk on Feb 7th, 2024 at 5:26pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 5:05pm:
It's hard to say, Greggery. Yes, on the one hand you have a bullet proof 57 page ruling. On the other, you have the eminent legal opinion that Dear Leader can order the Navy Seals to take out a hit on his political rivals and not get into any trouble, it's all good. Look, they say one thing, DL says another. I will say this, I see no reason why he would do it. We'll have to wait and see what happens, yes? |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 7th, 2024 at 5:27pm Karnal wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 5:17pm:
;D Meanwhile, this looks to be where their DL will end up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Prison_Camp,_Pensacola |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by Mattyfisk on Feb 7th, 2024 at 5:40pm Bobby. wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 1:27pm:
Now now, Bobby, we're all friends here. The big fella says one thing, the courts say another. Just remember, when SCOTUS tells Jack Smith to carry on, you'll be perfectly free to revise your views of the Supreme Court, dear. Rather than the Deep State being less in charge, I think we can safely say this: RIGGED!!! WITCH HUNT!!! SO UNFAIR!!! And one more: DEEP STATE!!! |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by Bobby. on Feb 7th, 2024 at 6:03pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 5:05pm:
I already covered that - read it again: Harry Truman was never charged with dropping atomic bombs on women and children at Hiroshima and Nagasaki - over 200,000 dead - vaporized - no military target - clearly a war crime. Presidents have immunity from their crimes. |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by Mattyfisk on Feb 7th, 2024 at 6:05pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 5:27pm:
That's minimum security, Greggery. They'll need something a little more high end to house the big fella. Besides, we're talking a minimum of ten years. Federal corrections policy mandates Max, I'm afraid. Bobby's DL will require a holding pen with the highest standards of inmate safety, a facility with a track record of both protection and correction. Tough, but fair. My money's on FCC Fort Buttner. There, the big fella will receive the best standard of care and restraint. Rehabilitation, dear, and discipline. Bobby's DL will be required to keep his personal effects in order, his cell tidy, and all holes clean. Bend over sir, cough, lift your sack, skin it back. Right, Bubba, he's all yours. Correct him. |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by Bobby. on Feb 7th, 2024 at 6:11pm Karnal wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 6:05pm:
Ohh no - not Bubba? |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 7th, 2024 at 6:13pm Karnal wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 6:05pm:
Lol ;D Nobody is going near Trump's festering asshole. Bubba might be desperate, but he ain't that desperate. Seriously though, Pensacola is the likely choice for his final days as it's the closest FPC to where he stores stolen government documents - Mar-a-Lago. We shall see. |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by Bobby. on Feb 7th, 2024 at 6:15pm |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by Mattyfisk on Feb 7th, 2024 at 6:24pm Bobby. wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 6:03pm:
WWII had the approval of Congress, Bobby. You may recall the debate over the bombing of Pearl Harbour, the subsequent declaration of war on Japan, congressional committee oversight over the Manhattan Project, all that. The subsequent unconditional surrender and peace treaty with Japan included no mention of war crimes either. What to do? Truman was never indicted for any crimes under the insurrection act. Your DL's down for violating his own amendments, dear, and make no mistake, he will be done. How do we know? Your hero, the devout AG Barr, said. We've all seen the evidence. DL, he said, is toast. He's banged to rights. Should be a jolly stretch in Fort Buttner, no? |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 7th, 2024 at 6:29pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 5:05pm:
Bobby? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkAJBNb68Ug |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by Mattyfisk on Feb 7th, 2024 at 6:36pm Bobby. wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 6:11pm:
Look, the big fella gets to keep his Secret Service detail, as is his right in a free society with a functioning rule of law. No worries. That's three shifts, round the clock. To be fair, Bubba's not going to get anywhere near your DL, and that's okay. Correctional staff will still be required to maintain order, and that requires inspections. We wouldn't want Melania smuggling anything in on their conjugals, now would we? Inmates have an innate ability to sneak stuff in. Ah, the cunning ways of the criminal mind. I'm not sure what the big fella can hide up his anus, but we'll all get to find out, dear. The feds tend to leak like sieves, no? We'll have to wait and see what happens. |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by Bobby. on Feb 7th, 2024 at 6:42pm Karnal wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 6:24pm:
"Truman was never indicted for any crimes under the insurrection act " - that's my point - it was clearly a war crime - Presidents obtain a "get of jail free card". ::) |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by Mattyfisk on Feb 7th, 2024 at 6:48pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 6:29pm:
Bobby's still looking up executive orders, Greggery. He labours under the belief that his DL still gets to issue them. According to Bobby, DL can declassify government records with the power of his mind. He can overturn FBI subpoenas. He can declare Melania's panty drawers a secure federal facility. And sure, he can overrule appeals in the federal courts too. After all, the big fella has the right to overturn all rules, laws and articles, including those found in the constitution. Look it up. |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by Mattyfisk on Feb 7th, 2024 at 6:59pm Bobby. wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 6:42pm:
Now now, Bobby, don't be silly. There's a congressional committee working on Sleepy Joe's indictments as we speak. By the time they're done, they'll have him banged up for life. The get out of jail free card only applies to you-know-who, okay? |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by Bobby. on Feb 7th, 2024 at 7:02pm Karnal wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 6:48pm:
Every President breaks the law - up to and including mass murder. Over 1 million Iraqis died in Bush's illegal 2003 war - has he ever faced the courts? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_Iraq_War |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by John Smith on Feb 7th, 2024 at 7:24pm Quote:
What rubbish. |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by philperth2010 on Feb 7th, 2024 at 7:25pm Bobby. wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 7:02pm:
I agree 100% Bobby....However it is up to the International Community to bring charges much like the Nuremberg trials after WW11....Bush, Blair and Howard all stand condemned by history but were never held to account for their crimes....Unlike Trump who is charged under the American Justice System for his crimes....No man is above the law!!! :) :) :) |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by Mattyfisk on Feb 7th, 2024 at 7:45pm Bobby. wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 7:02pm:
Whatabout Iraq, eh? Never ever. Iraq is a foreign jurisdiction, dear. And do you know? Brenner wrote the law: Iraqi legislation to ensure there would be no embarrassing prosecutions and requests to extradite any American citizens. The US made it clear in the UN too. what do you think the coalition of the willing was all about? |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by Bobby. on Feb 7th, 2024 at 8:36pm Karnal wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 7:45pm:
There are many examples of US Presidents breaking the law with immunity. The Supreme Court will decide. |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 7th, 2024 at 8:47pm Bobby. wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 8:36pm:
Why would the SC take it on? What are the grounds for appeal? |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by Dnarever on Feb 7th, 2024 at 8:54pm Bobby. wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 10:37am:
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95% the Supreme court won't hear the case. |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by Dnarever on Feb 7th, 2024 at 8:55pm Bobby. wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 8:36pm:
Excluding Trump there are none. |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by Bobby. on Feb 7th, 2024 at 9:06pm Dnarever wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 8:54pm:
We'll see - it will be interesting. |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by Mattyfisk on Feb 7th, 2024 at 9:16pm Bobby. wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 9:06pm:
It most certainly will. Once your DL's done, how are you going to sniff your way out? I think we'll do this as a multiple choice, don't you? You'll say: a) Most interesting, isn't it? b) So unfair. c) WITCH HUNT! d) DEEP STATE!!!! |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by Bobby. on Feb 7th, 2024 at 9:23pm Karnal wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 9:16pm:
e) drain the swamp: |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by Mattyfisk on Feb 7th, 2024 at 10:08pm Bobby. wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 9:23pm:
Interesting. So when your DL's done, you'll say drain the swamp, will you? That could work. |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by Bobby. on Feb 7th, 2024 at 10:12pm Karnal wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 10:08pm:
No - Q is about to release the Storm: |
Title: Re: Rapist Loses Again Post by Mattyfisk on Feb 7th, 2024 at 10:22pm Bobby. wrote on Feb 7th, 2024 at 10:12pm:
4th time lucky, is it? Even your Master is over Q. He's become a garden-variety, card-carrying hater now, Bobby. He is in your every breath, no? |
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