Looking back on Mungo Man – human remains millennia older than the pyramids – 50 years on - his discovery changed everything we knew about Indigenous Australians - for the better.

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(...its a stick)

Gee. Stating the obvious here.
Looking back.
Remains older than the 6,000 year old grave sites in Egypt.
Stone Tools have been found dating back to 2.5 million years ago.

Considering the date of Mungo Man would have had him being Denisovan Tasmanian Aborigine and not the current Carpentarian (sub-Curry Munchers) who invaded much later for more recent times.

Where's the proof he's even related to any Keffir?  Not allowed to scrape his bones to make your bread of DNA test.... that's desecration.... got it covered from all angles eh - especially those Angles from Olde Englande .... Wharte Men can't jump to valid conclusions that way and say Mungo had nuffin' to do with the local Abos...

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 3:39pm:

Looking back on Mungo Man – human remains millennia older than the pyramids – 50 years on - his discovery changed everything we knew about Indigenous Australians - for the better.

"These people were highly sophisticated 40,000 years ago, nobody had ever thought of Indigenous Australia in those terms," he says.

"There's no ochre within well over 100 kilometres … that ochre had to be prepared in advance, brought in, traded maybe.

"Quite a detailed ritual involved in that exercise, bringing the stuff in and preparing it and anointing the body.

"It's the sort of thing that goes on in a requiem in any cathedral.

:D :D

So sophisticated, all those Aboriginal cathedrals!

Apparently, elephants bury their dedead calves. Are they as sophisticated as Aborigines and cathedral builders?


I find the Bbwianesque talking up of evidently primitive people laughable. The only interesting thing about Aborigines is how amazingly primitive and totally frozen in pre-history they were.

Jasin wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 3:56pm:

Considering the date of Mungo Man would have had him being Denisovan Tasmanian Aborigine and not the current Carpentarian (sub-Curry Munchers) who invaded much later for more recent times.

Good. You spell Mungo, Denisovan and Tasmanian the right way.
After that, it's a mess.

chimera wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 5:01pm:

Jasin wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 3:56pm: Considering the date of Mungo Man would have had him being Denisovan Tasmanian Aborigine and not the current Carpentarian (sub-Curry Munchers) who invaded much later for more recent times. Good. You spell Mungo, Denisovan and Tasmanian the right way. After that, it's a mess.

You're like a guy LTYC, who can only put down my sense of fashion because you find it hard to put down my argument.
;D

Mungo Man must be understood in the context of all discovered ancient human peoples' remains, artefacts and art.

There is no necessary direct link between the ancient aboriginal peoples' remains discovered in any region and those peoples living there today.

Aboriginal cave artists in Lascaux were not French.

So really, they haven't been 'allowed' to prove the worth of Mungo Man, so how can they prove he was aborigine - like them?

Jasin wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 5:11pm:

who can only put down my sense of fashion because you find it hard to put down my argument.

Darl, I love your cute fashions. Gorgeous. Did you have an argument, dearie?

chimera wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 5:29pm:

Jasin wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 5:11pm: who can only put down my sense of fashion because you find it hard to put down my argument. Darl, I love your cute fashions. Gorgeous. Did you have an argument, dearie?

Trying to be like Karnal-Chimp_Fisk now?
::)

Jasin wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 5:29pm:

So really, they haven't been 'allowed' to prove the worth of Mungo Man, so how can they prove he was aborigine - like them?

He was aboriginal in the sense of the word, but was he an ancestor of modern Australian indigenous peoples? Probably not.

It might be more probable that he was related to the ancient ancestors of the Andaman Islands peoples - closer in morphology to ancient African peoples and unrelated to ancient subcontinental peoples, and with no Denisovan ancestry.

As expected, the Racists think up excuses to denigrate Mungo Man, rather than celebrate his life for what it was - an Australian Indigenous person's.  My ex-brother-in-law was there, when Mungo Man was discovered.  His discovery turned the archeological record on it's head.  It showed the Indigenous Australians were here long before the arrival of White Man and that Australia was their land. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 5:48pm:

As expected, the Racists think up excuses to denigrate Mungo Man, rather than celebrate his life for what it was - an Australian Indigenous person's.  My ex-brother-in-law was there, when Mungo Man was discovered.  His discovery turn the archeological record on it's head.  It showed the Indigenous Australians were here long before the arrival of White Man and that Australia was their land. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Is it racist to wonder about the origins of ancient peoples?

No one argues that Australian indigenous peoples existed in Australia long before Europeans.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 5:38pm:

but was he an ancestor of modern Australian indigenous peoples? Probably not.

He was British to the boot straps. 'No sex please, we're British'.

Various human species have walked across every part of the world since their migration out of Africa from 100000+ years ago.

The only places to be inhabited relatively recently were far-flung oceanic islands and New Zealand - the latter only being inhabited by humans less than 1000 years ago.

The remains of Denisovans found in East Asia do not make them Russian, Chinese or Philippinos.

Frank wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 4:45pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 3:39pm: Looking back on Mungo Man – human remains millennia older than the pyramids – 50 years on - his discovery changed everything we knew about Indigenous Australians - for the better. "These people were highly sophisticated 40,000 years ago, nobody had ever thought of Indigenous Australia in those terms," he says. "There's no ochre within well over 100 kilometres … that ochre had to be prepared in advance, brought in, traded maybe. "Quite a detailed ritual involved in that exercise, bringing the stuff in and preparing it and anointing the body. "It's the sort of thing that goes on in a requiem in any cathedral. :D :D So sophisticated, all those Aboriginal cathedrals! Apparently, elephants bury their dedead calves. Are they as sophisticated as Aborigines and cathedral builders? I find the Bbwianesque talking up of evidently primitive people laughable. The only interesting thing about Aborigines is how amazingly primitive and totally frozen in pre-history they were.

Roman soldiers could march 50 miles in a day with full kit. Nipping off for a 60 mile walk with a stick or two and a dilly bag would have been nothing. "Back in a coupla days, seeya then!"

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 5:25pm:

Mungo Man must be understood in the context of all discovered ancient human peoples' remains, artefacts and art. There is no necessary direct link between the ancient aboriginal peoples' remains discovered in any region and those peoples living there today. Aboriginal cave artists in Lascaux were not French.

good point

Frank wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 4:45pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 3:39pm: Looking back on Mungo Man – human remains millennia older than the pyramids – 50 years on - his discovery changed everything we knew about Indigenous Australians - for the better. "These people were highly sophisticated 40,000 years ago, nobody had ever thought of Indigenous Australia in those terms," he says. "There's no ochre within well over 100 kilometres … that ochre had to be prepared in advance, brought in, traded maybe. "Quite a detailed ritual involved in that exercise, bringing the stuff in and preparing it and anointing the body. "It's the sort of thing that goes on in a requiem in any cathedral. :D :D So sophisticated, all those Aboriginal cathedrals! Apparently, elephants bury their dedead calves. Are they as sophisticated as Aborigines and cathedral builders? I find the Bbwianesque talking up of evidently primitive people laughable. The only interesting thing about Aborigines is how amazingly primitive and totally frozen in pre-history they were.

highly sophisticated is a bit of a stretch

A 22 hour march was posible under Julius Caesar but it wrecked his men. They were unable to breed successfully on arrival.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 5:38pm:

Jasin wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 5:29pm: So really, they haven't been 'allowed' to prove the worth of Mungo Man, so how can they prove he was aborigine - like them? He was aboriginal in the sense of the word, but was he an ancestor of modern Australian indigenous peoples? Probably not. It might be more probable that he was related to the ancient ancestors of the Andaman Islands peoples - closer in morphology to ancient African peoples and unrelated to ancient subcontinental peoples, and with no Denisovan ancestry.

Agree to a point. I do reckon, upon just associations, that Mungo Man came from the early Haplogroup that first spread out of the Rift Valley or thereabouts - to incorporate the Andaman Islanders, indigi Tibetans, Ainu (Jommu), and even the early Africans that you see in the San Bushmen most distinctly. The earliest wave of Tasmanian Aborigines would also have been from this group - as too some of the indigo Indonesians akin to Melanesian. Denisovians and Neanderthal admixture would have been in there - as is seen in its highest concentration with the Melanesians.

Modern Negroids, Caucasoids and Mongoloids would have sprouted from this Haplogroup as they are relatively 'very young' genetically.

There really needs to be a label for these early Sapiens that spread out a bit as a first wave haplogroup, while Neanderthal, Denisovian and other Hominids were still prevalent as far as Indonesia in the world.

The Primordial Slime?
The Ancients?
The Primitives?
The 1st Agers?
Regardless, a lot of them still exist viably in the world today.
...how about the Grandparents?

aquascoot wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 6:20pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 4:45pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 3:39pm: Looking back on Mungo Man – human remains millennia older than the pyramids – 50 years on - his discovery changed everything we knew about Indigenous Australians - for the better. "These people were highly sophisticated 40,000 years ago, nobody had ever thought of Indigenous Australia in those terms," he says. "There's no ochre within well over 100 kilometres … that ochre had to be prepared in advance, brought in, traded maybe. "Quite a detailed ritual involved in that exercise, bringing the stuff in and preparing it and anointing the body. "It's the sort of thing that goes on in a requiem in any cathedral. :D :D So sophisticated, all those Aboriginal cathedrals! Apparently, elephants bury their dedead calves. Are they as sophisticated as Aborigines and cathedral builders? I find the Bbwianesque talking up of evidently primitive people laughable. The only interesting thing about Aborigines is how amazingly primitive and totally frozen in pre-history they were. highly sophisticated is a bit of a stretch

Well they were probably the most 'advanced' culturally for the world at the time from 15,000 years to 100,000 years ago.
Maybe Australia (Sahul) was the 'go to place' for everyone wanting to get out of north-east Africa?
Afterall - the Seven Sisters Story, being the oldest to date beyond the spatterings of 'fart' stories to conceive 'gods' and 'spirits', was popular enough to travel as far as Greece to remain as the oldest story in Europe.

So maybe Australia was the 'cultural' birthplace of Sapiens, having travelled so far in the learning of leaving the cradle, but not 'racially'?
Then, like Atlantis - it sunk beneath the waves and was lost to the world for tens of thousands of years. There, they stagnated for lack of stimulus (change) from the outside.
But hey, it took a hell of a very long time for something to spark 'change' in another part of the world with the Middle-East being the catalyst - but only in the last 10,000 years at the very least.

Calling them 'Primitive' is the catch-cry of the Johnny-come-lately civilisations.

Civilisation: When Humans prey upon Humans.

Jasin wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 6:37pm:

Civilisation: When Humans prey upon Humans.

They have preyed upon each other long before civilisation came about. Even chimps prey upon each other from differing tribes.

The fossilised bones of a group of murdered humans dating back 10,000 years have been found in Kenya.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 5:25pm:

Mungo Man must be understood in the context of all discovered ancient human peoples' remains, artefacts and art. There is no necessary direct link between the ancient aboriginal peoples' remains discovered in any region and those peoples living there today. Aboriginal cave artists in Lascaux were not French.

No. The people in what is now France - and much of thd rest of th ed world - changed and developed.
But aborigines in 1787 WERE exactly as they were 40,000 years ago. That is interesting. That is bad conservatism on steroids. A total rejection an dc resistance to ANY change. Fascinating and not a little, well, creepy weird.

Frank wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 7:02pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 5:25pm: Mungo Man must be understood in the context of all discovered ancient human peoples' remains, artefacts and art. There is no necessary direct link between the ancient aboriginal peoples' remains discovered in any region and those peoples living there today. Aboriginal cave artists in Lascaux were not French. No. The people in what is now France - and much of thd rest of th ed world - changed and developed. But aborigines in 1787 WERE exactly as they were 40,000 years ago. That is interesting. That is bad conservatism on steroids. A total rejection an dc resistance to ANY change. Fascinating and not a little, well, creepy weird.

The European HG DNA says they were tinted with blue eyes. Multiple samples from all across Europe. That was before the Anatolian farmers brought brown eyes and lighter skin from about 6000bce and the Yamnaya bronze age event(s).

Frank wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 7:02pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 5:25pm: Mungo Man must be understood in the context of all discovered ancient human peoples' remains, artefacts and art. There is no necessary direct link between the ancient aboriginal peoples' remains discovered in any region and those peoples living there today. Aboriginal cave artists in Lascaux were not French. No. The people in what is now France - and much of thd rest of th ed world - changed and developed. But aborigines in 1787 WERE exactly as they were 40,000 years ago. That is interesting. That is bad conservatism on steroids. A total rejection an dc resistance to ANY change. Fascinating and not a little, well, creepy weird.

Concerning Mungo Man and his relationship to modern-day Aboriginal peoples is whether the peoples who were in Australia at the time of British settlement were genetically the same as peoples who were apparently in Australia 40000+ years before.

Was Mungo Man an ancestor to modern-day Aboriginal peoples or was he as genetically distinct from them as are Europeans? Probably the latter.

Regarding their primitive state, Aboriginal peoples in Australia are little different in terms of technological non-advancement as, say, Melanesians of Papua New Guinea, Kalahari Bushmen of Africa and Amazonians of South America.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 7:16pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 7:02pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 5:25pm: Mungo Man must be understood in the context of all discovered ancient human peoples' remains, artefacts and art. There is no necessary direct link between the ancient aboriginal peoples' remains discovered in any region and those peoples living there today. Aboriginal cave artists in Lascaux were not French. No. The people in what is now France - and much of thd rest of th ed world - changed and developed. But aborigines in 1787 WERE exactly as they were 40,000 years ago. That is interesting. That is bad conservatism on steroids. A total rejection an dc resistance to ANY change. Fascinating and not a little, well, creepy weird. Was Mungo Man an ancestor to modern-day Aboriginal peoples or was he as genetically distinct from them as are Europeans? Probably the latter.

Explain that 'probably'.

The rest of your post amounts to nothing. There are other primitive people, sure. Few of them make such a virtue of it as Aborigines try to, both to talk it down and up at the same time. Obviously tutored by white ideologues.

Frank wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 7:27pm:

There are other primitive people, sure. Few of them make such a virtue of it as Aborigines try to, both to talk it down and up at the same time. Obviously tutored by white ideologues.

Don't they? And you know that, because?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 7:33pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 7:27pm: There are other primitive people, sure. Few of them make such a virtue of it as Aborigines try to, both to talk it down and up at the same time. Obviously tutored by white ideologues. Don't they? And you know that, because?

Don't they what?

Frank wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 7:39pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 7:33pm: Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 7:27pm: There are other primitive people, sure. Few of them make such a virtue of it as Aborigines try to, both to talk it down and up at the same time. Obviously tutored by white ideologues. Don't they? And you know that, because? Don't they what?

Make a virtue of their aboriginality.

'The oldest ground stone tools appear in Australia about 10,000 years before they appear in Europe, suggesting that early Australians were more technologically advanced in some of their tool manufacturing techniques than was traditionally thought'
Australian Museum.
Conservative Australians have old tools.

I've just heard they've found tools about 2.5millions old, probably hominids. I forget specifically where sorry.

Setanta wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 6:59pm:

Jasin wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 6:37pm: Civilisation: When Humans prey upon Humans. They have preyed upon each other long before civilisation came about. Even chimps prey upon each other from differing tribes. The fossilised bones of a group of murdered humans dating back 10,000 years have been found in Kenya.

Yeah - but they didn't consider it honourably 'civilisation' back then as if it was a great thing, especially for 'money'.

Yes they did. Nghaloonga said it was honourably civilisation in Kenya News, 7076 BC. He was fined for bank fraud and insurrection.

It is amazing that Aborigines today can and do make a DIRECT unbroken, unchanged connection to Aborigines 40,000 years ago. And they are proud that nothing has changed in 40,000 years.
I would very much respect them if they insisted on carrying on that life, untouched by post-1788 modernity. But wanting to be be BOTH pre-historic and have all the trappings of modernity is schizophrenic.

It is an obvious psychic, cultural shock and burden, to come out of pre-historic stone age to a modern, industrial democracy without ever going through the intervening stages.

Well Frank, there is an established (by CSIRO evidence) Songline that has lasted for 25,000 years that sings about the Coastline being 25kms out further when the ocean levels were lower.

Now 25,000 year old songs kinda sums up the word 'amazing' considering Writing is just a few thousands of years old as 'materialistic' evidence and even then, the evidence isn't 'common' and connected to the people of today - many changes, adaptions and more.

Boongs lived for 40,000+ years ago at the least, 120,000 at the most.

Europeans, Asians, etc - obliterate each other prolifically in just the last 6,000 years. They'll be lucky to last just the next 500 years!  ;D ;D

Frank wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 8:21pm:

It is an obvious psychic, cultural shock and burden, to come out of pre-historic stone age to a modern, industrial democracy without ever going through the intervening stages.

You see that in Celtic rituals with tartans and bagpipes. Some speak in English through the shaggy moustache.

Jasin wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 8:29pm:

Well Frank, there is an established (by CSIRO evidence) Songline that has lasted for 25,000 years that sings about the Coastline being 25kms out further when the ocean levels were lower. Now 25,000 year old songs kinda sums up the word 'amazing' considering Writing is just a few thousands of years old as 'materialistic' evidence and even then, the evidence isn't 'common' and connected to the people of today - many changes, adaptions and more.

Did they talk to the whales, too?  Seems that sheila in WA got her ideas from that NZ Movie Whale Rider or whatever it was.

Amazing indeed - we'd all need to see exactly where the CSIRO got that....

On a dark and midnight drear
An Ancient Abo seer drew near
And in his hand he held a bark
And on it here was written dark...

Hear me when I tell you true
The bloody ocean had shot through
And left a beach so bloody wide
We had to wait for every tide
To be sure we didn't come to grief
When we went out to The Bloody Reef.

Which raised its ragged teeth up high
For every bloody passerby
So if you slipped just once by heck
You'd end up just a bloody wreck.

The ocean rose
So went this song
'Til Captain Cook
He came along
And took his aim
Right at that poo
So on the Reef he struck a blow
The rest is something you all know.

Frank wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 7:27pm:

. Obviously tutored by white ideologues.

Someone joined 65000 years of ancestry with 'continuous culture'. They're different things, maybe true and maybe not. The Denisovan input of 3-6% of DNA in Australia, up to ~14000 BP suggests mixed cultures. It's even possible that Denisovans were creative and sensitive souls who did dance routines and dominated culture.

The more admixture in a race, the more robust against such things as diseases, it is and the more adaptable to conditions and changes it is.
The San in southern Africa have the greatest genetic diversity due to admixture 'through time' than any other people's by a good percentage. They have both modern admixtures and ancient DNA's that are now lost to nearly all of the races of today.
If an ancient virus (for hypothetical reasoning) was dug up in the Siberian permafrosts melting that modern races have no immunity against, the San at least will still have the genetic coding to be immune from it.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 3:39pm:

Looking back on Mungo Man – human remains millennia older than the pyramids – 50 years on - his discovery changed everything we knew about Indigenous Australians - for the better.

More likely Mungo Man was never an Aboriginal. A humanoid here long before Aboriginals?

So yes ... it could change what we know or is claimed to be known about Aboriginals.

Mayhap they haven't been here as long as they claim? .... which has varied from 20 to 30k & has jumped in increments as the stakes get higher to 65K yrs ago now.

Perhaps probably no longer than the dingo - which they bought to the continent.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 5:48pm:

As expected, the Racists think up excuses to denigrate Mungo Man, rather than celebrate his life for what it was - an Australian Indigenous person's.  My ex-brother-in-law was there, when Mungo Man was discovered.  His discovery turned the archeological record on it's head.  It showed the Indigenous Australians were here long before the arrival of White Man and that Australia was their land. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Thing is Bwyan .. they don't know what he was.
Maybe he is completely different from what is known about Aboriginals?

If Mungo Man is as old as they calculate  maybe he is as significant a connection to what all peoples have descended from... not just the modern descendants of Aboriginals?

Why do Aboriginals think he is one of theirs? or has any connection historically, genetically, traditionally or culturally??

Jasin wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 8:29pm:

Well Frank, there is an established (by CSIRO evidence) Songline that has lasted for 25,000 years that sings about the Coastline being 25kms out further when the ocean levels were lower. Now 25,000 year old songs kinda sums up the word 'amazing' considering Writing is just a few thousands of years old as 'materialistic' evidence and even then, the evidence isn't 'common' and connected to the people of today - many changes, adaptions and more.

The CSIRO doesn't deal in "songlines". It's supposed to deal in science.

Jasin wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 8:32pm:

Boongs lived for 40,000+ years ago at the least, 120,000 at the most. Europeans, Asians, etc - obliterate each other prolifically in just the last 6,000 years. They'll be lucky to last just the next 500 years!  ;D ;D

In isolation .... but not in isolation. If you do your research.

And they were also always warring between inter-tribal & clan groups .....

just like they do in remote communities today.

Jasin wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 7:07am:

The more admixture in a race, the more robust against such things as diseases, it is and the more adaptable to conditions and changes it is. The San in southern Africa have the greatest genetic diversity due to admixture 'through time' than any other people's by a good percentage. They have both modern admixtures and ancient DNA's that are now lost to nearly all of the races of today. If an ancient virus (for hypothetical reasoning) was dug up in the Siberian permafrosts melting that modern races have no immunity against, the San at least will still have the genetic coding to be immune from it.

Kalahari Bushmen .... not immune to being hit in the head with a coke bottle thrown from 300o ft out of a plane.  ;D

As to be immune from ancient pathogens locked in the permafrost ... pure speculation.

Isolation from diseases - like pre-colonial Aboriginals - was what has prevented illness.

Ask the modern activist Aboriginals ... they're still blaming colonisation for bringing diseases as one of their victim card endorsements.

Like as if they would have still been in isolation some 235 years later had the British not claimed the place. 

Researchers have found ancient watering holes that were long ago
buried by rising seas. The watering holes may be ones referred to in an
Indigenous Australian songline.

Ancient Indigenous ‘Songlines’ Match Long-Sunken Landscape off Australia.

Marine geologist Mick O’Leary says that although the research team did
not physically follow the songline to make its discovery, he thinks that
kind of collaboration might happen in the near future. "We really see now
you need to weave together the Western science and Indigenous
knowledge, braid it together, so it’s not done as two separate things",
he says. "When these things are overlaid together, you get a more holistic
picture of Sea Country".

'This suggests that the songline may have been created more than 7,000 years ago, when the sea level was far lower—and the area with the watering holes was dry and more than 100 kilometers inland'.
A bit different from 25000 years. By the wording, maybe the holes were used later than 7000. That becomes more credible.  One Sth Aust legend is declared to be 11000 years old.. yeah..how is that dated?

AusGeoff wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 8:28am:

Researchers have found ancient watering holes that were long ago buried by rising seas. The watering holes may be ones referred to in an Indigenous Australian songline. Ancient Indigenous ‘Songlines’ Match Long-Sunken Landscape off Australia. Marine geologist Mick O’Leary says that although the research team did not physically follow the songline to make its discovery, he thinks that kind of collaboration might happen in the near future. "We really see now you need to weave together the Western science and Indigenous knowledge, braid it together, so it’s not done as two separate things", he says. "When these things are overlaid together, you get a more holistic picture of Sea Country".

The Old Norse Sagas, Kalevala, the Bible, Mahabharata etc are all ancient 'songlines' , so let's braid them all together with Science to get the holistic picture.

Gnads wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 8:04am:

Why do Aboriginals think he is one of theirs? or has any connection historically, genetically, traditionally or culturally??

The obvious reason is that all peoples who migrated in waves into Australia are, by definition, aboriginal.

Each successive wave does not necessarily have to be genetically related to a previous one to qualify as aboriginal.

Given these waves were likely to be separated from each other by thousands of years, it is improbable that they were directly related to each other.

But his descendants would be fully Aboriginal whichever groups inter married. And his ethnic group would continue on as normally spreading outwards and onwards.  It's like all the lines in UK from the stone age to recent centuries which now are mixed and so are related at the large scale.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 9:44am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 8:04am: Why do Aboriginals think he is one of theirs? or has any connection historically, genetically, traditionally or culturally?? The obvious reason is that all peoples who migrated in waves into Australia are, by definition, aboriginal. Each successive wave does not necessarily have to be genetically related to a previous one to qualify as aboriginal. Given these waves were likely to be separated from each other by thousands of years, it is improbable that they were directly related to each other.

That's the inference I was making.

As far as qualifying as Aboriginals ... my ancestors migrated here too. 174 years ago.

Know what I mean?  ;)

No That's too recent on the large scale. We need a beige coffee with chocolate flakes.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 3:39pm:

Looking back on Mungo Man – human remains millennia older than the pyramids – 50 years on - his discovery changed everything we knew about Indigenous Australians - for the better.

The Egyptians built the Pyramids around 5000 years ago.

The best the Aborigines could do in 40,000 years is a bark hut.

Gnads wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 8:22am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 7:07am: The more admixture in a race, the more robust against such things as diseases, it is and the more adaptable to conditions and changes it is. The San in southern Africa have the greatest genetic diversity due to admixture 'through time' than any other people's by a good percentage. They have both modern admixtures and ancient DNA's that are now lost to nearly all of the races of today. If an ancient virus (for hypothetical reasoning) was dug up in the Siberian permafrosts melting that modern races have no immunity against, the San at least will still have the genetic coding to be immune from it. Kalahari Bushmen .... not immune to being hit in the head with a coke bottle thrown from 300o ft out of a plane.  ;D As to be immune from ancient pathogens locked in the permafrost ... pure speculation. Isolation from diseases - like pre-colonial Aboriginals - was what has prevented illness. Ask the modern activist Aboriginals ... they're still blaming colonisation for bringing diseases as one of their victim card endorsements. Like as if they would have still been in isolation some 235 years later had the British not claimed the place.

;D
I'll give you that one as well. You're running hot of late Gonads.

Aborigines, are different to the San as they were 'isolated' by 'island fever' - hence why they slowly became sterile so to speak.
The San on the other hand still inhabited a continent that was till joined to the other Old Worlds of Mid-East, Asia & Europe. The latest trend in new diseases would have reached them as well to boost up their eventual immunity.
But they would be far more adaptive to any 'older' virus that re-emerged, while the 'much' younger Haplogroups would not.

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 3:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 3:39pm: Looking back on Mungo Man – human remains millennia older than the pyramids – 50 years on - his discovery changed everything we knew about Indigenous Australians - for the better. The Egyptians built the Pyramids around 5000 years ago. The best the Aborigines could do in 40,000 years is a bark hut.

The Egyptians were only able to do such things 5,000 years ago because they were not in a situation of 'sensory deprivation' from 'isolation'. They were still influenced from other parts of the Middle-East, even from across the Mediterranean Sea and so on. Such 'stimulants' cause 'change'.

The Aborigines were out in front one day, then they were cut off and they basically stopped where they were, while the rest of the world eventually caught up and them on by. The fact that the rest of the world didn't change much since Sapien entry into Australia - for such a long time says a lot too!

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 3:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 3:39pm: Looking back on Mungo Man – human remains millennia older than the pyramids – 50 years on - his discovery changed everything we knew about Indigenous Australians - for the better. The Egyptians built the Pyramids around 5000 years ago. The best the Aborigines could do in 40,000 years is a bark hut.

*SIGH* there is evidence that Indigenous Australians once lived in Stone Huts.  The idea that they have been nomadic all their existence is old hat.  The climate of Australia was once much wetter and supported Aquaculture and Agriculture.  Please, acquaint yourself with modern Archeology, Baron.  Your Racism is showing too clearly to be of much use.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 4:51pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 3:59pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 3:39pm: Looking back on Mungo Man – human remains millennia older than the pyramids – 50 years on - his discovery changed everything we knew about Indigenous Australians - for the better. The Egyptians built the Pyramids around 5000 years ago. The best the Aborigines could do in 40,000 years is a bark hut. *SIGH* there is evidence that Indigenous Australians once lived in Stone Huts.  The idea that they have been nomadic all their existence is old hat.  The climate of Australia was once much wetter and supported Aquaculture and Agriculture.  Please, acquaint yourself with modern Archeology, Baron.  Your Racism is showing too clearly to be of much use.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Is that from Pascoe?

If there was an Australian Aboriginal culture that included the creation of permanent dwellings, there would be ample evidence of it in the southern parts of Australia and Tasmania.

That some central western Aboriginals did just that and cultivated root vegetables shocked the early explorers of the region as it was unknown in every other region of Australia.

However, those Aboriginals who built and maintained those permanent settlements were also physiologically different in appearance to all other Aboriginal peoples everywhere and it is now believed that they were descendants of Dutch sailors who were known to have been marooned in the region nearly 200 years before.

Also, had they practised farming at all, evidence of the farming of kangaroos likely would be everywhere.

Frank wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 5:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 4:51pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 3:59pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 3:39pm: Looking back on Mungo Man – human remains millennia older than the pyramids – 50 years on - his discovery changed everything we knew about Indigenous Australians - for the better. The Egyptians built the Pyramids around 5000 years ago. The best the Aborigines could do in 40,000 years is a bark hut. *SIGH* there is evidence that Indigenous Australians once lived in Stone Huts.  The idea that they have been nomadic all their existence is old hat.  The climate of Australia was once much wetter and supported Aquaculture and Agriculture.  Please, acquaint yourself with modern Archeology, Baron.  Your Racism is showing too clearly to be of much use.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Is that from Pascoe?

The capitals on Agriculture and Aquaculture show this to be Pascoeitis.  You can take it as racist bullshit without a second look.

Stone huts, you say?  Well - one lot settled at Bermagui half the year then went up to the Snowies the other half... had a few fish traps ... no evidence of any 'agriculture' though... bit of gathering of native stuff is not agriculture... they must have had shelters at Bermagui - so what?  So what if they piled up a few stones and put a twig roof over it for winter, where the winds blow cold down there?

So they didn't wander 24/7/365 - maybe hunkered down in winter where it was a bit warmer and there were fish for the trap etc... doesn't change the nature of their 'culture'.

As much chance as my kid's cousin winning an Oscar for Best Director.... oh - wait - he did - for Oppenheimer!  Wish the old girl had said - "You'll cop the best blowie when some family member wins an Oscar...."

Pascoe has had years now to 'grow his native crops' in a perfect situation, and hasn't managed it yet...

Be great to be looking back on Mungo Man as a fine joke.... tell you what - let's get a court order, collect some DNA from him, see if the local Keffir match in any way - and if not - they STFU about their fabled 'heritage'.

Deal??  Jesus - that old and he could be the ancestor of some monkey......

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 4:51pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 3:59pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 3:39pm: Looking back on Mungo Man – human remains millennia older than the pyramids – 50 years on - his discovery changed everything we knew about Indigenous Australians - for the better. The Egyptians built the Pyramids around 5000 years ago. The best the Aborigines could do in 40,000 years is a bark hut. *SIGH* there is evidence that Indigenous Australians once lived in Stone Huts.  The idea that they have been nomadic all their existence is old hat.  The climate of Australia was once much wetter and supported Aquaculture and Agriculture.  Please, acquaint yourself with modern Archeology, Baron.  Your Racism is showing too clearly to be of much use.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

In one small spot down in the cold country of Victoria.

But even that is pure speculation & all Pascoesque .
You haven't got a shred of irrefutable/undeniable evidence.

And that massive fish(eel)(aquaculture) export industry they had from a couple of ponds down there?  ;D

What happened to them?

Don't tell me like all the other going concerns they've been given with taxpayer funds ... since the invaders turned up...

they went broke?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Such primitives are the Boongs.

...and yet they know how to rip off White People.
Money for nothing (in Australia)
and their chicks for free (in the USA).

;D ;D ;D

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 6:10pm:

If there was an Australian Aboriginal culture that included the creation of permanent dwellings, there would be ample evidence of it in the southern parts of Australia and Tasmania. That some central western Aboriginals did just that and cultivated root vegetables shocked the early explorers of the region as it was unknown in every other region of Australia. However, those Aboriginals who built and maintained those permanent settlements were also physiologically different in appearance to all other Aboriginal peoples everywhere and it is now believed that they were descendants of Dutch sailors who were known to have been marooned in the region nearly 200 years before. Also, had they practised farming at all, evidence of the farming of kangaroos likely would be everywhere.

Yeah? like what? Don't say Yams ... because proper Yams are imported vegetables.

Aboriginal root yams were from various trees or vines that developed tuber growths on their roots from nematodes ...

or from the native yam daisy or murnong. Which were form the east coast.

Jasin wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 6:49pm:

Such primitives are the Boongs. ...and yet they know how to rip off White People. Money for nothing (in Australia) and their chicks for free (in the USA). ;D ;D ;D

Yeah but the white mans system & wokeness/PC allows them to rip white man off.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 6:10pm:

If there was an Australian Aboriginal culture that included the creation of permanent dwellings, there would be ample evidence of it in the southern parts of Australia and Tasmania. That some central western Aboriginals did just that and cultivated root vegetables shocked the early explorers of the region as it was unknown in every other region of Australia. However, those Aboriginals who built and maintained those permanent settlements were also physiologically different in appearance to all other Aboriginal peoples everywhere and it is now believed that they were descendants of Dutch sailors who were known to have been marooned in the region nearly 200 years before. Also, had they practised farming at all, evidence of the farming of kangaroos likely would be everywhere.

That's just silly.

Setanta wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 6:52pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 6:10pm: If there was an Australian Aboriginal culture that included the creation of permanent dwellings, there would be ample evidence of it in the southern parts of Australia and Tasmania. That some central western Aboriginals did just that and cultivated root vegetables shocked the early explorers of the region as it was unknown in every other region of Australia. However, those Aboriginals who built and maintained those permanent settlements were also physiologically different in appearance to all other Aboriginal peoples everywhere and it is now believed that they were descendants of Dutch sailors who were known to have been marooned in the region nearly 200 years before. Also, had they practised farming at all, evidence of the farming of kangaroos likely would be everywhere. That's just silly.

Yep ... never would have been able to be farmed domestically.

Gnads wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 6:53pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 6:52pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 6:10pm: If there was an Australian Aboriginal culture that included the creation of permanent dwellings, there would be ample evidence of it in the southern parts of Australia and Tasmania. That some central western Aboriginals did just that and cultivated root vegetables shocked the early explorers of the region as it was unknown in every other region of Australia. However, those Aboriginals who built and maintained those permanent settlements were also physiologically different in appearance to all other Aboriginal peoples everywhere and it is now believed that they were descendants of Dutch sailors who were known to have been marooned in the region nearly 200 years before. Also, had they practised farming at all, evidence of the farming of kangaroos likely would be everywhere. That's just silly. Yep ... never would have been able to be farmed domestically.

Demanding just one animal only to have been domesticated, the kangaroo, to prove anything about farming is silly. It only says, as you say, they are not able to be herded.

You both sound like sooks because the Boongs lived life like the holidays you try to take and the lifestyles you can't afford.
While you were stuck in Europe taking it up the arse by the Middle-East and Asia.
No wonder your cultural height in Europe was for your leaders to wear wigs, dress in frilly feminine clothes with stockings and wear make-up real dandy-like.
;D ;D ;D

Watching the Whiteys 'grovel' their way around the world, in a world that has been populated and covered with darkies, while - like mushrooms, they've been living in the darkness of a little Europe.

Black Groom and now his White Bride in the world.  ;)
Time you two get a sex change and be what you're supposed to be: Females.

Jasin wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 7:17pm:

You both sound like sooks because the Boongs lived life like the holidays you try to take and the lifestyles you can't afford. While you were stuck in Europe taking it up the arse by the Middle-East and Asia. No wonder your cultural height in Europe was for your leaders to wear wigs, dress in frilly feminine clothes with stockings and wear make-up real dandy-like. ;D ;D ;D Watching the Whiteys 'grovel' their way around the world, in a world that has been populated and covered with darkies, while - like mushrooms, they've been living in the darkness of a little Europe. Black Groom and now his White Bride in the world.  ;) Time you two get a sex change and be what you're supposed to be: Females.

And you? ... you pussy?  ;D

I 'was' Mellie.  ;) ;D

Jasin wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 7:25pm:

I 'was' Mellie.  ;) ;D

Put your socks back on! You're still 'Mellie.

Gnads wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 6:53pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 6:52pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 6:10pm: If there was an Australian Aboriginal culture that included the creation of permanent dwellings, there would be ample evidence of it in the southern parts of Australia and Tasmania. That some central western Aboriginals did just that and cultivated root vegetables shocked the early explorers of the region as it was unknown in every other region of Australia. However, those Aboriginals who built and maintained those permanent settlements were also physiologically different in appearance to all other Aboriginal peoples everywhere and it is now believed that they were descendants of Dutch sailors who were known to have been marooned in the region nearly 200 years before. Also, had they practised farming at all, evidence of the farming of kangaroos likely would be everywhere. That's just silly. Yep ... never would have been able to be farmed domestically.

That would cover the reason for a complete lack of evidence for Aboriginal farming.

The assertion that Australian Aboriginal cultures are the oldest continuously practised in the world is predicated on there being no evidence of cultural advancement over what is presumed to be at least 40,000 years.

That many migratory waves of (likely unrelated) peoples over that time is more probable than a single migration, notwithstanding.

I don't know why Pascoe called it 'farming'.
The Boongs didn't need to farm.
They just allowed nature to provide and just nurtured its full potential. Creating grasslands for the Kangaroos & Emu to stay flourishing as a food resource.

Whiteys called Abos 'lazy' - but Abos didn't have to work all daylight hours, 7 days a week to just source food.
It was just 'free' food. No need for tax and all the other crap reasons to justify an existence.

They weren't perfect in their stagnated isolation here.
But they certainly had some benefits that Whiteys even today bemoan of a time lost when life was better.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 7:52pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 6:53pm: Setanta wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 6:52pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 6:10pm: If there was an Australian Aboriginal culture that included the creation of permanent dwellings, there would be ample evidence of it in the southern parts of Australia and Tasmania. That some central western Aboriginals did just that and cultivated root vegetables shocked the early explorers of the region as it was unknown in every other region of Australia. However, those Aboriginals who built and maintained those permanent settlements were also physiologically different in appearance to all other Aboriginal peoples everywhere and it is now believed that they were descendants of Dutch sailors who were known to have been marooned in the region nearly 200 years before. Also, had they practised farming at all, evidence of the farming of kangaroos likely would be everywhere. That's just silly. Yep ... never would have been able to be farmed domestically. That would cover the reason for a complete lack of evidence for Aboriginal farming. The assertion that Australian Aboriginal cultures are the oldest continuously practised in the world is predicated on there being no evidence of cultural advancement over what is presumed to be at least 40,000 years. That many migratory waves of (likely unrelated) peoples over that time is more probable than a single migration, notwithstanding.

Aborigines would never accept this. As the Uluru Wheeze makes it clear, Abos are in the soil from creation.

No white "science" dares challenge such dreaming.

Whiteys say Politics is sacred.
Blacks say the Land is sacred.
Yellows say the City is sacred
Greenies say Military is sacred.
Greys say Music is sacred.
Reds say Art is sacred.

...it goes on.
Whitey's don't know much about the 'Land', they're leaving their farms in droves, selling them to Curry-Munchers and that's after they've spent years bludging off tax-payers for Farm Aid handouts every year.

White Man doesn't know much when it comes to 'the Land'.
;D

Jasin wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 7:56pm:

They weren't perfect in their stagnated isolation here. But they certainly had some benefits that Whiteys even today bemoan of a time lost when life was better.

Aboriginal life was anything but easy. Most mobs/clans were often close to famine.

European powers, i.e. the Dutch and French, had little to no interest in the land mass they discovered because of its harshness and aridity.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 8:09pm:

Jasin wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 7:56pm: They weren't perfect in their stagnated isolation here. But they certainly had some benefits that Whiteys even today bemoan of a time lost when life was better. Aboriginal life was anything but easy. Most mobs/clans were often close to famine. European powers, i.e. the Dutch and French, had little to no interest in the land mass they discovered because of its harshness and aridity.

;D ;D ;D
Awww. Give me a break!
The only people who were 'famished' were Whiteys.
American Whalers had to supplement the British Penal Colony with Provisions or it would have failed from stupidity to ask the Coons for food. This is why this country now has America's finger in the pie with Prime Ministers working for them.
Burke & Wills couldn't even cope.
The Boongs had a far better diet and a lot of it compared to your Whiteys and their 'loaf of bread' existence.  ;D

Projecting Centralian desert Boongs and their more harsher environment, as an umbrella description of all Abos here - shows the blatant 'denial' of Whiteys and their own inabilities.

Why didn't Whartey just get it from the Cheesers, then?

Every ethnicity has made its way in Australia.
Why not the Abos?

I blame the Irish and the commies.  They infected them with resentment they cannot shake.

Jasin wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 7:56pm:

I don't know why Pascoe called it 'farming'. The Boongs didn't need to farm. They just allowed nature to provide and just nurtured its full potential. Creating grasslands for the Kangaroos & Emu to stay flourishing as a food resource. Whiteys called Abos 'lazy' - but Abos didn't have to work all daylight hours, 7 days a week to just source food. It was just 'free' food. No need for tax and all the other crap reasons to justify an existence. They weren't perfect in their stagnated isolation here. But they certainly had some benefits that Whiteys even today bemoan of a time lost when life was better.

Yeah - when you have that huge child death rate and very low life expectancy on a hugely unbalanced diet that favoured half raw meat - nature could easily provide for the survivors.

Is that before or after Whitey brought his diseases?  ;D

Jasin wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 8:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 8:09pm: Jasin wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 7:56pm: They weren't perfect in their stagnated isolation here. But they certainly had some benefits that Whiteys even today bemoan of a time lost when life was better. Aboriginal life was anything but easy. Most mobs/clans were often close to famine. European powers, i.e. the Dutch and French, had little to no interest in the land mass they discovered because of its harshness and aridity. ;D ;D ;D Awww. Give me a break! The only people who were 'famished' were Whiteys. American Whalers had to supplement the British Penal Colony with Provisions or it would have failed from stupidity to ask the Coons for food. This is why this country now has America's finger in the pie with Prime Ministers working for them. Burke & Wills couldn't even cope. The Boongs had a far better diet and a lot of it compared to your Whiteys and their 'loaf of bread' existence.  ;D Projecting Centralian desert Boongs and their more harsher environment, as an umbrella description of all Abos here - shows the blatant 'denial' of Whiteys and their own inabilities.

The British grossly underestimated the provisions required to establish a colony in NSW largely due to the upbeat description of the land that Joseph Banks had provided after his return.

Banks described a fertile land that could easily support a colony - largely because he and Cook had arrived in late Autumn and spent the winter charting the east coast.

The First Fleet arrived at the height of Summer and the location Banks had recommended appeared to be a barren wasteland.

Aboriginal cultures are famine cultures.

Jasin wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 8:35pm:

Is that before or after Whitey brought his diseases?  ;D

Do you seriously imagine tummy bugs and such didn't exist?  Many preventable nowadays deaths occurred in every demographic and on every continent, and some diseases were common to all.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 8:44pm:

Jasin wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 8:15pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 8:09pm: Jasin wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 7:56pm: They weren't perfect in their stagnated isolation here. But they certainly had some benefits that Whiteys even today bemoan of a time lost when life was better. Aboriginal life was anything but easy. Most mobs/clans were often close to famine. European powers, i.e. the Dutch and French, had little to no interest in the land mass they discovered because of its harshness and aridity. ;D ;D ;D Awww. Give me a break! The only people who were 'famished' were Whiteys. American Whalers had to supplement the British Penal Colony with Provisions or it would have failed from stupidity to ask the Coons for food. This is why this country now has America's finger in the pie with Prime Ministers working for them. Burke & Wills couldn't even cope. The Boongs had a far better diet and a lot of it compared to your Whiteys and their 'loaf of bread' existence.  ;D Projecting Centralian desert Boongs and their more harsher environment, as an umbrella description of all Abos here - shows the blatant 'denial' of Whiteys and their own inabilities. The British grossly underestimated the provisions required to establish a colony in NSW largely due to the upbeat description of the land that Joseph Banks had provided after his return. Banks described a fertile land that could easily support a colony - largely because he and Cook had arrived in late Autumn and spent the winter charting the east coast. The First Fleet arrived at the height of Summer and the location Banks had recommended appeared to be a barren wasteland. Aboriginal cultures are famine cultures.

Banks and Cook described what they saw - humans well fed, robust and enjoying life in a Garden Parkland. They could see that the environment could feed people well.
Not their fault that 'losers' from their country couldn't live up to their expectations and couldn't find any politics, bullets or religious books to eat.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 8:53pm:

Jasin wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 8:35pm: Is that before or after Whitey brought his diseases?  ;D Do you seriously imagine tummy bugs and such didn't exist?  Many preventable nowadays deaths occurred in every demographic and on every continent, and some diseases were common to all.

Face it old Grapps. You just bit off more than you could chew with your statement.  ;D

Jasin wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 8:57pm:

Banks and Cook described what they saw - humans well fed, robust and enjoying life in a Garden Parkland. They could see that the environment could feed people well. Not their fault that 'losers' from their country couldn't live up to their expectations and couldn't find any politics, bullets or religious books to eat.

Cook and Banks saw very few Aboriginals who kept away from them and the crew.

What Banks saw with his English mind were green, rain-soaked rolling hills and valleys and imagined English farmlands.

Frank wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 5:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 4:51pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 3:59pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 3:39pm: Looking back on Mungo Man – human remains millennia older than the pyramids – 50 years on - his discovery changed everything we knew about Indigenous Australians - for the better. The Egyptians built the Pyramids around 5000 years ago. The best the Aborigines could do in 40,000 years is a bark hut. *SIGH* there is evidence that Indigenous Australians once lived in Stone Huts.  The idea that they have been nomadic all their existence is old hat.  The climate of Australia was once much wetter and supported Aquaculture and Agriculture.  Please, acquaint yourself with modern Archeology, Baron.  Your Racism is showing too clearly to be of much use.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Is that from Pascoe?

*SIGH* No, it isn't, Soren.  Your Racism blinds you to other possibilities.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 5:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 4:51pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 3:59pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 3:39pm: Looking back on Mungo Man – human remains millennia older than the pyramids – 50 years on - his discovery changed everything we knew about Indigenous Australians - for the better. The Egyptians built the Pyramids around 5000 years ago. The best the Aborigines could do in 40,000 years is a bark hut. *SIGH* there is evidence that Indigenous Australians once lived in Stone Huts.  The idea that they have been nomadic all their existence is old hat.  The climate of Australia was once much wetter and supported Aquaculture and Agriculture.  Please, acquaint yourself with modern Archeology, Baron.  Your Racism is showing too clearly to be of much use.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) Is that from Pascoe?

Stone buildings last a long time there is no evidence they built or lived in stone huts.

The woke retarded leftists always throw racist card when they have nothing.  ::) ::) ::)

1950's film clip shows the Yolgnu Aborigines of Arnhem Land as  traditional, nomadic hunter gatherers.
Take note of how quick they made a bark hut.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k-vqEsNyUo

Lucky we have documented this to expose bullshitters like bwhine.  ::) ::) ::)

Nice clip of their cousins in PNG.

Quote:

Tribes in Papua New Guinea fighting each other with bows and spears, 1963 https://twitter.com/Interes7ing/status/1743835980451475629

Bwhines Debate and Relate forum must be dead or he wouldn't be here. I guess people tired of his bullshit.  ::) ::) ::)

Likely one of the most revealing depictions of Northern Australian aboriginals ever recorded.

'Malcolm Douglas - Australia - Across The Top' - recorded in 1969.

Note the narrator's BBC-English accent! Australian accents were unacceptable in those days!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDYJkmIaLWg

They look like Happy Campers to me.
I know they make Whiteys on Survivor look like absolute losers.
Ahh - that's the life. Easy-going, laid-back. Don't need to pay off a home loan for all one's life just to get a root. Don't like the neighbours - just pack up easy and move on.

We all know the indigenous Britons lived like that - but with more animal furs, when the Romans first met them. Then the Anglos, Saxons and Jutes called them primitives to move them on. Primitive indigenous Britons living like Ainu in Nihon.  ;D

Well, they've adapted quickly to the modern life. They now run roughshot over whiteys and steal a lot from Whities now. Their population is growing faster than Whities and they win Olympic Gold Medals, cash in on Politics and more.
Not so primitive now, are they.

DNA test or no dice....

Jasin wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 10:36pm:

They look like Happy Campers to me. I know they make Whiteys on Survivor look like absolute losers. Ahh - that's the life. Easy-going, laid-back. Don't need to pay off a home loan for all one's life just to get a root. Don't like the neighbours - just pack up easy and move on. We all know the indigenous Britons lived like that - but with more animal furs, when the Romans first met them. Then the Anglos, Saxons and Jutes called them primitives to move them on. Primitive indigenous Britons living like Ainu in Nihon.  ;D Well, they've adapted quickly to the modern life. They now run roughshot over whiteys and steal a lot from Whities now. Their population is growing faster than Whities and they win Olympic Gold Medals, cash in on Politics and more. Not so primitive now, are they.

Comparative poverty/prosperity, innit?  Which is richer - he who can move on if he doesn't like the neighbours or his root, doesn't work and still gets everything, just picks up another house, boat and car from Whartey - or the social indoctrinated brain-washed wage slave who does everything right to end up with nothing after a lifetime of poo-kicking and being kicked around like poo while grifters and whingers and such get the fattest in the land for no toil?????

Mungo Man has a skull and jaw very like a baboon .... must be related...

https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/other/leniu-handed-mammoth-ban-for-monkey-remark/ar-BB1jGsLR?cvid=76bcfe78852f47ebdbe332ad72e979ca&ocid=winp2fptaskbar&ei=9


   ...... he is the ape man.... he is the walrus....... coo-coo-ca-choo .............

Jasin wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 10:36pm:

They look like Happy Campers to me. I know they make Whiteys on Survivor look like absolute losers. Ahh - that's the life. Easy-going, laid-back. Don't need to pay off a home loan for all one's life just to get a root. Don't like the neighbours - just pack up easy and move on.

You need to bear in mind that the documentary did not include scenes of inter- or intra-tribal conflict, which occur within all societies. No scenes of dispensing harsh tribal justice. No scenes of abandoning sickly or malformed babies/children. No scenes of famine times, or periods of widespread tribal illness.

What was shown were very stark scenes depicting life within an aboriginal mob/clan in keeping with the theme of 'the noble savage'.

Jasin wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 8:35pm:

Is that before or after Whitey brought his diseases?  ;D

You should go back & re-read some of your own posts.

The one about the Saan people should be enough for you to get the drift.

The Aboriginals weren't in isolation from disease ... they were dealing with people from the Moluccas long before whitey came. Ask them they'll tell you about the export/import company they ran. ;D

The Dutch East India Company was founded in 1602 and the Portugese were there in the East Indies Archipelago around the same time. 188 years before the First Fleet came to Botany Bay.

170 years before Cook explored the east coast & took possession of the continent for the British.

Dutchman Willem Janszoon was here in 1606.

And the French landed in Botany Bay  on the the 26th January 1788 after the First Fleet had left and set up the colony in Port Jackson.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 11:20pm:

Mungo Man has a skull and jaw very like a baboon .... must be related... https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/other/leniu-handed-mammoth-ban-for-monkey-remark/ar-BB1jGsLR?cvid=76bcfe78852f47ebdbe332ad72e979ca&ocid=winp2fptaskbar&ei=9    ...... he is the ape man.... he is the walrus....... coo-coo-ca-choo .............

8 weeks ... pretty tough

8 weeks suspension for a blackfella/person of colour calling a blackfella/person of colour a monkey ;D

Ohhh the irony.

Gnads wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 9:56am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 11:20pm: Mungo Man has a skull and jaw very like a baboon .... must be related... https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/other/leniu-handed-mammoth-ban-for-monkey-remark/ar-BB1jGsLR?cvid=76bcfe78852f47ebdbe332ad72e979ca&ocid=winp2fptaskbar&ei=9    ...... he is the ape man.... he is the walrus....... coo-coo-ca-choo ............. 8 weeks ... pretty tough 8 weeks suspension for a blackfella/person of colour calling a blackfella/person of colour a monkey ;D Ohhh the irony.

Had he called him a stupid white bastard he would have been patted on the back.

Frank wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 10:30am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 9:56am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 11:20pm: Mungo Man has a skull and jaw very like a baboon .... must be related... https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/other/leniu-handed-mammoth-ban-for-monkey-remark/ar-BB1jGsLR?cvid=76bcfe78852f47ebdbe332ad72e979ca&ocid=winp2fptaskbar&ei=9    ...... he is the ape man.... he is the walrus....... coo-coo-ca-choo ............. 8 weeks ... pretty tough 8 weeks suspension for a blackfella/person of colour calling a blackfella/person of colour a monkey ;D Ohhh the irony. Had he called him a stupid white bastard he would have been patted on the back.

;D yeah ....another opinion piece in the Courier today by Mike O'Connor - excusing her calling the cop a bastard & doing a big breakdown on the various usage/connotations(term of endearment) of bastard by Australians and that it's no really big deal & the cop must be precious.

The reality they conveniently overlook is that it's not about calling him a bastard, it's about racially prefixing bastard with "white".

A huge double standard/hypocrisy by Kerr who is supposed to be a anti-racism campaigner.
Her mother is white and so is her girlfriend.

Never mind that she spewed in a cab and didn't want to pay for the clean up .... that's why the cops were called...

the incident would not have happened had she just paid up for her indiscretion ..... she can well afford it.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 11:13pm:

DNA test or no dice....

*SIGH* There are no DNA tests that prove or disprove if a person is Indigenous or not.  DNA doesn't work like that.  There are more differences between individuals than there are between "Racial" groups.   "Racial" groups do not exist except in your imagination, Graps.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 10:30am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 9:56am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 11:20pm: Mungo Man has a skull and jaw very like a baboon .... must be related... https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/other/leniu-handed-mammoth-ban-for-monkey-remark/ar-BB1jGsLR?cvid=76bcfe78852f47ebdbe332ad72e979ca&ocid=winp2fptaskbar&ei=9    ...... he is the ape man.... he is the walrus....... coo-coo-ca-choo ............. 8 weeks ... pretty tough 8 weeks suspension for a blackfella/person of colour calling a blackfella/person of colour a monkey ;D Ohhh the irony. Had he called him a stupid white bastard he would have been patted on the back.

If he was describing you and Gnads, he'd have been right on the money, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 8:56am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 10:36pm: They look like Happy Campers to me. I know they make Whiteys on Survivor look like absolute losers. Ahh - that's the life. Easy-going, laid-back. Don't need to pay off a home loan for all one's life just to get a root. Don't like the neighbours - just pack up easy and move on. You need to bear in mind that the documentary did not include scenes of inter- or intra-tribal conflict, which occur within all societies. No scenes of dispensing harsh tribal justice. No scenes of abandoning sickly or malformed babies/children. No scenes of famine times, or periods of widespread tribal illness. What was shown were very stark scenes depicting life within an aboriginal mob/clan in keeping with the theme of 'the noble savage'.

Yes. The Democraps and Biden would have been proud of that PR clip of everything rosy.

Jasin wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 12:31pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 8:56am: Jasin wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 10:36pm: They look like Happy Campers to me. I know they make Whiteys on Survivor look like absolute losers. Ahh - that's the life. Easy-going, laid-back. Don't need to pay off a home loan for all one's life just to get a root. Don't like the neighbours - just pack up easy and move on. You need to bear in mind that the documentary did not include scenes of inter- or intra-tribal conflict, which occur within all societies. No scenes of dispensing harsh tribal justice. No scenes of abandoning sickly or malformed babies/children. No scenes of famine times, or periods of widespread tribal illness. What was shown were very stark scenes depicting life within an aboriginal mob/clan in keeping with the theme of 'the noble savage'. Yes. The Democraps and Biden would have been proud of that PR clip of everything rosy.

The documentary is a bit old for that!

In 1969, the Beatles were still a group with 'Get Back' on the charts, Nixon was still in office and popular, people were still basking in the afterglow of the 'Summer of Love', the Whitlam government hadn't happened and smoking was good for you!

Frank Herbert of Dune fame, thought Nixon was great for taking on the corrupt Establishment.
Sadly for Nixon, he wasn't as tenacious as Trump in doing so.

Reckon 90% of people watching the two recent Dune movies would think that Paul Atreides was the 'good guy', when in fact he's right up there with Pol Pot, Hitler, Mohommed, Idi Amin and the rest.

Trump might indeed be the 'good guy' afterall.

Jasin wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 1:29pm:

Frank Herbert of Dune fame, thought Nixon was great for taking on the corrupt Establishment. Sadly for Nixon, he wasn't as tenacious as Trump in doing so.

And both were/are corrupt themselves.

Freudian, much?

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 4:51pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 3:59pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 3:39pm: Looking back on Mungo Man – human remains millennia older than the pyramids – 50 years on - his discovery changed everything we knew about Indigenous Australians - for the better. The Egyptians built the Pyramids around 5000 years ago. The best the Aborigines could do in 40,000 years is a bark hut. *SIGH* there is evidence that Indigenous Australians once lived in Stone Huts.  The idea that they have been nomadic all their existence is old hat.  The climate of Australia was once much wetter and supported Aquaculture and Agriculture.  Please, acquaint yourself with modern Archeology, Baron.  Your Racism is showing too clearly to be of much use.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

You should apologise for spreading misinformation.

They were nomadic hunter gatherers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k-vqEsNyUo

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 11:45am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 11:13pm: DNA test or no dice.... *SIGH* There are no DNA tests that prove or disprove if a person is Indigenous or not.  DNA doesn't work like that.  There are more differences between individuals than there are between "Racial" groups.   "Racial" groups do not exist except in your imagination, Graps.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

*SIGH*  but there IS a sufficient database collected in pursuit of criminals to increasingly permit a test that shows Aboriginality.. and it will grow bigger by the day - the thing was there IS a test - same as everyone else - it required a sufficient database.

Apart from that - WTF is wrong with you?  DNA from Mungo Man and DNA from current claimants can easily be collected and tested... not even remotely near the same thing as you are attempting to discuss.  But Mungo Man's remains are 'sacred' to those who cannot even prove a connection with him.... lest the test prove they have no connection with him.

Mumbo-jumbo.

DNA can prove descent, end of story.

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 5:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 4:51pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 3:59pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 3:39pm: Looking back on Mungo Man – human remains millennia older than the pyramids – 50 years on - his discovery changed everything we knew about Indigenous Australians - for the better. The Egyptians built the Pyramids around 5000 years ago. The best the Aborigines could do in 40,000 years is a bark hut. *SIGH* there is evidence that Indigenous Australians once lived in Stone Huts.  The idea that they have been nomadic all their existence is old hat.  The climate of Australia was once much wetter and supported Aquaculture and Agriculture.  Please, acquaint yourself with modern Archeology, Baron.  Your Racism is showing too clearly to be of much use.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) You should apologise for spreading misinformation. They were nomadic hunter gatherers. []https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k-vqEsNyUo[]

Well, there's a 'mystery' solved!

The BBC-English narrator of the clip above and the one in Malcolm Douglas's Australian Adventures was none other than Australia's Peter Finch of "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore" fame!

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 13^th, 2024 at 2:14am:

DNA can prove descent, end of story.

Is it easy to find DNA in remains that were sitting in the sun for 40000 years?

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 13^th, 2024 at 2:14am:

DNA can prove descent, end of story.

Not necessarily.

The Human Genome Project was a major scientific development in human
genomics and biomedical sciences. Its findings suggested that all humans
are 99.9% genetically identical and only 0.1% of genetic variations are
responsible for the phenotypic differences, such as physical traits (height,
intelligence, hair, and eye colour), disease susceptibility, and drug responses,
among individuals in populations.

FCS - where the database exists it can determine relationship... SO... hold the local Keffir down and extract their DNA, solve a few cold cases while you're at it.... and check them against Mungo Man to see if there is a relationship connection.  There have been DNA samples taken from dinosaur bones, FFS.... wake up.

Stop trying to muddy the waters with your deliberately confused misunderstanding of science - just come out and say you are afraid to compare local Keffir with Mungo Man because the chances are they have zero familial relationship, and  the original local Keffir were probably over-run time and again and massacred... you know.. genocided by their loving tribal mates in the idyllic paradise etc.

THAT's what you are all frightened of... now PROVE connection or get outta here...

I just read Michael Asher's tale of what lead to the downfall of the Touareg 'culture' (the original Toe-Rags, capisce?) ... violent self-isolation, slavery, tribal feuding, massacre, treachery, deceit, every possible abuse and subjection of women (and ours whine daily as if they've got nothing - jayzuz!), and every criminal way on earth.... and they finally made the mistake of killing off a French exploration party, and were roundly chastised by a French column of around 350-400 trained men.... invaded and crushed... a non-civilisation gone with the wind...

Now - about those required changes to Aboriginal culture to suit the mainly peaceful occupation by a vast majority of Europeans..... and to fit in to the modern era just a little and get off their arses.... no excuses like it was traditional to save energy etc - I thought their wonderful meat laden diet gave them heaps of energy and didn't cause all the problems of an unbalanced diet at all... no scurvy etc.

I'll bet modern day medical examination of the Keffir Originals here would tell a different story... full of worms, malnutrition, scurvy, all those diet things .... and killing one another with gay abandon while searching out an empire in the old way of conquering it from others and subjugating or genociding them while abusing and subjugating women  ...

Getchu heads outchu asses ....

AusGeoff wrote on Mar 13^th, 2024 at 6:09pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 13th, 2024 at 2:14am: DNA can prove descent, end of story. Not necessarily. The Human Genome Project was a major scientific development in human genomics and biomedical sciences. Its findings suggested that all humans are 99.9% genetically identical and only 0.1% of genetic variations are responsible for the phenotypic differences, such as physical traits (height, intelligence, hair, and eye colour), disease susceptibility, and drug responses, among individuals in populations.

DNA is a funny thing. 20% of non-african DNA is Neaderthal, we share that out at about 2-3% individually. East Asians also have a significant proportion of Denisovan DNA, up to about 6% in New Guineans, I think. Yet we are still 99.9% identical to Africans who do not share that DNA. We share 98% of our DNA with Chimps apparently.

AusGeoff wrote on Mar 13^th, 2024 at 6:09pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 13th, 2024 at 2:14am: DNA can prove descent, end of story. Not necessarily.

My Mum's DNA suggests her DNA comes from the area of Northern Ireland and what was Dal Riada. That would meet up with her female ancestor, Bridget, who came here from Donegal in 1858. She's also Type O.
There's a reason they can tell your ancestry.

Setanta wrote on Mar 13^th, 2024 at 7:01pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Mar 13th, 2024 at 6:09pm: Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 13th, 2024 at 2:14am: DNA can prove descent, end of story. Not necessarily. The Human Genome Project was a major scientific development in human genomics and biomedical sciences. Its findings suggested that all humans are 99.9% genetically identical and only 0.1% of genetic variations are responsible for the phenotypic differences, such as physical traits (height, intelligence, hair, and eye colour), disease susceptibility, and drug responses, among individuals in populations. DNA is a funny thing. 20% of non-african DNA is Neaderthal, we share that out at about 2-3% individually. East Asians also have a significant proportion of Denisovan DNA, up to about 6% in New Guineans, I think. Yet we are still 99.9% identical to Africans who do not share that DNA. We share 98% of our DNA with Chimps apparently.

You are right in all that. But I have watched clips where they say the Papuans have the highest Denisovian admixture up to 10%.
I would say the Tasmanian Aborigines were of the same influx into this region of Sahul as the Papuans.
The Murrayans probably 60,000 years ago and the more Dravidian Carpentarians only 12,000 years ago recently or 40,000 years ago at the most.
The Tasmanian Aborigines, by way of old photos looked more like the Papuans than like the Carpentarian Aborigines.

Graps, you have no understanding of how DNA works.  So, I think it is pointless trying to educate you.  Run along, keep your crazy ideas to yourself.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13^th, 2024 at 7:42pm:

Graps, you have no understanding of how DNA works.  So, I think it is pointless trying to educate you.  Run along, keep your crazy ideas to yourself.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... ::) ::)

You have no idea about anything, you're mostly asleep at the wheel.

Jasin wrote on Mar 13^th, 2024 at 7:40pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 13th, 2024 at 7:01pm: AusGeoff wrote on Mar 13th, 2024 at 6:09pm: Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 13th, 2024 at 2:14am: DNA can prove descent, end of story. Not necessarily. The Human Genome Project was a major scientific development in human genomics and biomedical sciences. Its findings suggested that all humans are 99.9% genetically identical and only 0.1% of genetic variations are responsible for the phenotypic differences, such as physical traits (height, intelligence, hair, and eye colour), disease susceptibility, and drug responses, among individuals in populations. DNA is a funny thing. 20% of non-african DNA is Neaderthal, we share that out at about 2-3% individually. East Asians also have a significant proportion of Denisovan DNA, up to about 6% in New Guineans, I think. Yet we are still 99.9% identical to Africans who do not share that DNA. We share 98% of our DNA with Chimps apparently. You are right in all that. But I have watched clips where they say the Papuans have the highest Denisovian admixture up to 10%. I would say the Tasmanian Aborigines were of the same influx into this region of Sahul as the Papuans. The Murrayans probably 60,000 years ago and the more Dravidian Carpentarians only 12,000 years ago recently or 40,000 years ago at the most. The Tasmanian Aborigines, by way of old photos looked more like the Papuans than like the Carpentarian Aborigines.

The dingo was introduced not much longer that 4-5 thousand years ago. You can still see the Indian Pariah dog in them at a glance.
https://images.saymedia-content.com/.image/t_share/MTk1NTM1MzEzOTMyOTE5ODU5/indian-desi-or-indian-pariah-dog-breed-information-facts-and-characteristics.png
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8b/5f/59/8b5f5933460a4f2620e79f8f67bf9b08.jpg

Australian Dingoes...
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dbRkuo_a_Ko/UlQtCv9a6qI/AAAAAAAAEnk/PN_csfK9vQU/s1600/Dingo-Wild-Life-Animals-Pic.jpg

I would have to agree.
Even the didgeridoo is just a recent addition to here - also around 6,000 years old in concept here.

Setanta wrote on Mar 13^th, 2024 at 7:12pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Mar 13th, 2024 at 6:09pm: Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 13th, 2024 at 2:14am: DNA can prove descent, end of story. Not necessarily. My Mum's DNA suggests her DNA comes from the area of Northern Ireland and what was Dal Riada. That would meet up with her female ancestor, Bridget, who came here from Donegal in 1858. She's also Type O. There's a reason they can tell your ancestry.

Same sort of thing here - with Irish/Scottish/Swedish/ Danish etc.... some say that as an Rh- I have less chimp and more alien DNA... sounds good...

For all the condescending nastiness - HTF does Brian imagine such links can even be found if not via comparison with a database?

Easy as pie - GET a database of your Keffir here and let's see who and what they actually are.  I'll bet none of those out there are remotely related to Mungo Man.... but how convenient!  That's like saying the inhabitants of East Sussex are all related to Piltdown Man...   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Footnote:-  NSW has a fine database of Keffir now since that rape case up north west when all the Keffir in town were sampled and then it became mandatory for all in prison, even on remand, who could possibly serve five years..... plenty of Keffir in that lot.... good old Neo-Fascist Bob Carr.... but he did run a fine meeting of public servants!!!  **face palms**

AusGeoff wrote on Mar 13^th, 2024 at 6:09pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 13th, 2024 at 2:14am: DNA can prove descent, end of story. Not necessarily. The Human Genome Project was a major scientific development in human genomics and biomedical sciences. Its findings suggested that all humans are 99.9% genetically identical and only 0.1% of genetic variations are responsible for the phenotypic differences, such as physical traits (height, intelligence, hair, and eye colour), disease susceptibility, and drug responses, among individuals in populations.

But 0.04% of the atmosphere definitely controls global climate.


Yeah, right.

Frank wrote on Mar 13^th, 2024 at 9:18pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Mar 13th, 2024 at 6:09pm: Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 13th, 2024 at 2:14am: DNA can prove descent, end of story. Not necessarily. The Human Genome Project was a major scientific development in human genomics and biomedical sciences. Its findings suggested that all humans are 99.9% genetically identical and only 0.1% of genetic variations are responsible for the phenotypic differences, such as physical traits (height, intelligence, hair, and eye colour), disease susceptibility, and drug responses, among individuals in populations. But 0.04% of the atmosphere definitely controls global climate. Yeah, right.

That's what the Old Girl keeps telling them in online arguments.... and they all shut up... in quiet valley where used to live there were Almanacs from all the old families..... it seems average temperatures had not changed one whit  for over a hundred years or so.... a little up and down, but that's about it.   8-)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 11:49am:

Frank wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 10:30am: Gnads wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 9:56am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 11:20pm: Mungo Man has a skull and jaw very like a baboon .... must be related... https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/other/leniu-handed-mammoth-ban-for-monkey-remark/ar-BB1jGsLR?cvid=76bcfe78852f47ebdbe332ad72e979ca&ocid=winp2fptaskbar&ei=9    ...... he is the ape man.... he is the walrus....... coo-coo-ca-choo ............. 8 weeks ... pretty tough 8 weeks suspension for a blackfella/person of colour calling a blackfella/person of colour a monkey ;D Ohhh the irony. Had he called him a stupid white bastard he would have been patted on the back. If he was describing you and Gnads, he'd have been right on the money, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Hypocrite

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 4:51pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 3:59pm: Brian Ross wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 3:39pm: Looking back on Mungo Man – human remains millennia older than the pyramids – 50 years on - his discovery changed everything we knew about Indigenous Australians - for the better. The Egyptians built the Pyramids around 5000 years ago. The best the Aborigines could do in 40,000 years is a bark hut. *SIGH* there is evidence that Indigenous Australians once lived in Stone Huts.  The idea that they have been nomadic all their existence is old hat.  The climate of Australia was once much wetter and supported Aquaculture and Agriculture.  Please, acquaint yourself with modern Archeology, Baron.  Your Racism is showing too clearly to be of much use.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

The only time they became sedentary was after colonisation .... and then they still went "walkabout".

You're so full shyte you should be processed at the Bolivar Sewage Treatment plant.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif

Yawning doesn't help your lack of understanding of DNA.... DNA samples have been taken from bone marrow.... let's get some from Mungo Man and compare them with a database taken from the locals who claim everything without proof...

What are you afraid of?  That they WILL be found to have zero connection with Mungo Man???

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 3:50pm:

Yawning doesn't help your lack of understanding of DNA.... DNA samples have been taken from bone marrow.... let's get some from Mungo Man and compare them with a database taken from the locals who claim everything without proof... What are you afraid of?  That they WILL be found to have zero connection with Mungo Man???

Graps you can't reason with a melonheaded virtue signaling self loating guilt ridden twat like Bwyan.

The notion that walkabout was an immense journey - a road trip if you will, has always been a myth.

Aboriginal tribes/clans moved around their territory depending on food source availability and climate.

The early settlers quickly realised that while local Aboriginals had an encyclopedic knowledge of their respective territory, once beyond it, they were not much more knowledgable than the settlers themselves, with guides often deferring to explorer-settlers' estimation of resource location.

This is true even today - remote-community Aboriginals outside their territory can get as lost as non-Aboriginals in remote areas and risk dehydration and death.

The only trouble with this though is that the continent was marked with pretty thorough 'tracks' much like highways and freeways right across the continent from top to bottom, from west to east and so on.
Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson were smart enough at least to ask the Dharruk which way across the Blue Mountains and they just pointed to the right 'track'. The three of them later pompously promoted themselves to the Newspapers so to speak, that they 'themselves' had discovered the way across. It seems they too, take liberty with the truth as much as Pascoe.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 3:50pm:

Yawning doesn't help your lack of understanding of DNA.... DNA samples have been taken from bone marrow.... let's get some from Mungo Man and compare them with a database taken from the locals who claim everything without proof... What are you afraid of?  That they WILL be found to have zero connection with Mungo Man???

I am only afraid of fools like yourself who do not understand how DNA works.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 9:21pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 3:50pm: Yawning doesn't help your lack of understanding of DNA.... DNA samples have been taken from bone marrow.... let's get some from Mungo Man and compare them with a database taken from the locals who claim everything without proof... What are you afraid of?  That they WILL be found to have zero connection with Mungo Man??? I am only afraid of fools like yourself who do not understand how DNA works.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

Well we know DNA hasn't worked for you Brian.
You're like Darwin - so-called Expert on Evolution, while siring 'inbred' kids.

Jasin wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:37pm:

The only trouble with this though is that the continent was marked with pretty thorough 'tracks' much like highways and freeways right across the continent from top to bottom, from west to east and so on.

Aboriginal peoples were restricted by how far they could walk. and how feasible it was to walk. They also did not encroach on land that wasn't part of their territory unless they knew the tribe occupying it.

What would be the point of walking hundreds of kilometres, risking death? What use would a walk like that be to their tribe/clan?

Then what would be the point of the continent spanning tracks?
Something is amiss or missed here.

Jasin wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 9:47pm:

Then what would be the point of the continent spanning tracks? Something is amiss or missed here.

Each tribe had their tracks around their territory.

They didn't form an intracontinental network.

They didn't even speak the same languages had different customs and, for the most part, would have no opportunity to learn who the other tribes were hundreds/thousands of kilometres from their respective terrorities.

The same was true of the native American tribes - restricted by how far they could walk, until they were introduced to the horse.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 10:03pm:

Jasin wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 9:47pm: Then what would be the point of the continent spanning tracks? Something is amiss or missed here. Each tribe had their tracks around their territory. They didn't form an intracontinental network. They didn't even speak the same languages had different customs and, for the most part, would have no opportunity to learn who the other tribes were hundreds/thousands of kilometres from their respective terrorities. The same was true of the native American tribes - restricted by how far they could walk, until they were introduced to the horse.

I'll get back to you on that one as I've seen otherwise.
I have to watch something else first.
Then I'll find the links proving that there was inter-continental (good way of putting it) tracks which coincided with 'Songlines' that traversed across the continent.
Stay tuned.

Jasin wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:37pm:

The only trouble with this though is that the continent was marked with pretty thorough 'tracks' much like highways and freeways right across the continent from top to bottom, from west to east and so on. Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson were smart enough at least to ask the Dharruk which way across the Blue Mountains and they just pointed to the right 'track'. The three of them later pompously promoted themselves to the Newspapers so to speak, that they 'themselves' had discovered the way across. It seems they too, take liberty with the truth as much as Pascoe.

That's just Pascoesque bs.

The Dharruk were locals for Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson.

They didn't take them any further than their range and only as far as Bathurst. Only about 115klm.

Other myths that have proved tenacious over the last 250 years is the notion that (a) Aboriginal peoples saw themselves as one people and (b) that they had an understanding of the continent as a single country.

They were as separate as peoples as all human groups were on every continent and land mass.

They had separate languages, cultures, religious beliefs, and endured vastly different climates, food sources and circumstances.

There are multiple seasonal calendars each reflective of the regional conditions.

The language group maps show how vastly diverse they were.

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Gnads wrote on Mar 15^th, 2024 at 8:37am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:37pm: The only trouble with this though is that the continent was marked with pretty thorough 'tracks' much like highways and freeways right across the continent from top to bottom, from west to east and so on. Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson were smart enough at least to ask the Dharruk which way across the Blue Mountains and they just pointed to the right 'track'. The three of them later pompously promoted themselves to the Newspapers so to speak, that they 'themselves' had discovered the way across. It seems they too, take liberty with the truth as much as Pascoe. That's just Pascoesque bs. The Dharruk were locals for Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson. They didn't take them any further than their range and only as far as Bathurst. Only about 115klm.

Remember the Bermagui Bunch?  They ranged from on the coast for Winter with fish dinners from traps etc (bit of the old aquaculture down Pascoe's way, you know) to up in the Heeghlandt in Spring and Autumn for some hunting and gathering (bit of the old agriculture done the Pascoe way, you understand) - Summer too hot, boss... so back to the swimming holes on the coast.

Of course they had their 'traditional routes' - the easiest way to get up and down the Ranges... so what?  Did you expect them to take the hardest routes just for practice?  Some beaut stops along the way, too - at fine running waterholes etc which are now National Park land ENJOYED BY ALL and where some of them have jobs looking after the safe paths and such - unlike .......... oh..... say..... Mt Warning where your felonious 'governments' allowed the safe paths to run down so they could close 'im as 'unsafe' and then hand 'im over without a by your leave.  They can stick that where the soleil don't shine!!

Gnads wrote on Mar 15^th, 2024 at 8:37am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:37pm: The only trouble with this though is that the continent was marked with pretty thorough 'tracks' much like highways and freeways right across the continent from top to bottom, from west to east and so on. Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson were smart enough at least to ask the Dharruk which way across the Blue Mountains and they just pointed to the right 'track'. The three of them later pompously promoted themselves to the Newspapers so to speak, that they 'themselves' had discovered the way across. It seems they too, take liberty with the truth as much as Pascoe. That's just Pascoesque bs. The Dharruk were locals for Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson. They didn't take them any further than their range and only as far as Bathurst. Only about 115klm.

Dude. I lived in the Dharruk area. Of course I know they didn't 'take them' across the range. They just said "Follow this track." and let them be the masters of their own destiny with it.
After following the track over the Mountains and then back again. Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson came back to beat their chests as Great White Explorers.  ;D ;D

Jasin wrote on Mar 15^th, 2024 at 1:04pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 15th, 2024 at 8:37am: Jasin wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:37pm: The only trouble with this though is that the continent was marked with pretty thorough 'tracks' much like highways and freeways right across the continent from top to bottom, from west to east and so on. Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson were smart enough at least to ask the Dharruk which way across the Blue Mountains and they just pointed to the right 'track'. The three of them later pompously promoted themselves to the Newspapers so to speak, that they 'themselves' had discovered the way across. It seems they too, take liberty with the truth as much as Pascoe. That's just Pascoesque bs. The Dharruk were locals for Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson. They didn't take them any further than their range and only as far as Bathurst. Only about 115klm. Dude. I lived in the Dharruk area. Of course I know they didn't 'take them' across the range. They just said "Follow this track." and let them be the masters of their own destiny with it. After following the track over the Mountains and then back again. Blaxland, Wentworth & Lawson came back to beat their chests as Great White Explorers.  ;D ;D

Just head up that ridgey-didge until you get to the Explorer's Tree and just keep going... it gets a bit steep down the other side, but it's not far really and the view is breathtaking...  take a right out  to Govett's Leap and watch the sun or moon rise... man ...

Nothing wrong with asking directions from the locals...

"G'day - how do I find the Archer farm from here - I'm a bit lost."

"Aw, well - ya jus' go up this road about a mile an' turn left... then you'll come to a T junction... take a right and it'll be the third gate on the right.... if yer see  dairy cattle there it's the wrong one - they only run beef and sheep since the dairyin' collapsed .... ye were close..."