The Amazing Racist Asks Jews to Sign Petitions:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGFOf1ezyfI

https://christiansfortruth.com/jews-in-australia-outraged-by-venomous-school-textbook-that-affirms-they-are-christ-killers/


Jews In Australia ‘Outraged’ By ‘Venomous’ School Textbook
That Affirms They Are ‘Christ Killers’


April 6, 2021

Jewish supremacists in Australia have denounced a textbook used in Victoria schools which blames the Jews for the murder of Jesus Christ — as described in the New Testament — decrying this charge of deicide as “the mother of all anti-Semitic blood libels”:

    The Victoria Department of Education and Training (DET) textbook, which is on the booklists of many schools in Victoria, states that “because they saw him as a threat to their power, Jewish religious leaders had Jesus arrested, condemned and crucified by the Romans.”

    Parents of students at Glen Eira College spoke to the Anti-Defamation Commission (ADC), a Australian Jewish advocacy group, about the textbook.

    Frances Prince, of the Jewish Community Council of Victoria (JCCV), told the Australian Jewish News in an interview that it was “disappointing in the extreme that such a libellous accusation made its way into a school textbook. I have no doubt that the education department will deal with the matter swiftly and appropriately.”

    “The venomous charge that the Jews were responsible for the death of Jesus has resulted in more than 2,000 years of persecution, violence and murder,” she said.

    She added, “Imagine how students of the Jewish faith would feel reading, along with their classmates, this warped text that casts them as ‘Christ killers’, and the hostility they would be subjected to.”


The DET said that it is planning to contact the publisher of Jacaranda Humanities Alive 7 (second edition).

A DET official told the Australian Jewish News that the book is not endorsed by DET.
They added that they will contact the publisher
to have the offensive portions of the book immediately changed.

“We are also working with our faith groups to ensure the change that is needed is appropriately communicated with the publisher. Victorian schools should use their professional judgment to decide which supports and resources to use in the classroom, based on the needs of their local school community,” the official said.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 4:06pm:

The Amazing Racist Asks Jews to Sign Petitions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGFOf1ezyfI

As a Jew. I did find that funny, wether it was for real or just staged?

The Jews have apologised - the former Christians (Germans) crucified them in return. Hitler got revenge for Jesus.  ;)
He's a bit late.  ;D

Jasin wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 4:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 4:06pm: The Amazing Racist Asks Jews to Sign Petitions: As a Jew. I did find that funny, wether it was for real or just staged? The Jews have apologised - the former Christians (Germans) crucified them in return. Hitler got revenge for Jesus.  ;) He's a bit late.  ;D

That's Ari Shaffir - a Jewish comedian.    ;D

It was forecast how and when Jesus was to die.
The Jews fulfilled that prophecy

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 6:21pm:

It was forecast how and when Jesus was to die. The Jews fulfilled that prophecy

But should they apologise?

They did kill God.

It was only recorded decades after the crucifixion that it was 'prophesied'.

However, when Jesus went to Jerusalem to take on the temple priests, he must have known that his actions could end in his death given the Sadduce priests were protected by Pilate.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 7:05pm:

It was only recorded decades after the crucifixion that it was 'prophesied'. However, when Jesus went to Jerusalem to take on the temple priests, he must have known that his actions could end in his death given the Sadduce priests were protected by Pilate.

This what finally got him crucified:


https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/149/485/693/original/e0cf8e68098d7036.jpeg

Bobby. wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 4:06pm:

The Amazing Racist Asks Jews to Sign Petitions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGFOf1ezyfI

This is as stupid as you, Booby.

Like gweggy turd, Bbwian, Smiff stupid.  Try to rise above the stupid, Booby, not sink further and further into it.

Frank wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 7:37pm:

This is as stupid as you, Booby. Like gweggy turd, Bbwian, Smiff stupid.  Try to rise above the stupid, Booby, not sink further and further into it.

Security released Agatha after story hour at the library, then.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 7:38pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 7:37pm: This is as stupid as you, Booby. Like gweggy turd, Bbwian, Smiff stupid.  Try to rise above the stupid, Booby, not sink further and further into it. Security released Agatha after story hour at the library, then.

Thank you, Attila, as you were.

Frank wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 7:40pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 7:38pm: Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 7:37pm: This is as stupid as you, Booby. Like gweggy turd, Bbwian, Smiff stupid.  Try to rise above the stupid, Booby, not sink further and further into it. Security released Agatha after story hour at the library, then. Thank you, Attila, as you were.

Not as you are.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 7:43pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 7:40pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 7:38pm: Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 7:37pm: This is as stupid as you, Booby. Like gweggy turd, Bbwian, Smiff stupid.  Try to rise above the stupid, Booby, not sink further and further into it. Security released Agatha after story hour at the library, then. Thank you, Attila, as you were. Not as you are.

Not, indeed. You will always be just a resentful small Hun with a little learning but no ideas. 

Frank wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 7:46pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 7:43pm: Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 7:40pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 7:38pm: Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 7:37pm: This is as stupid as you, Booby. Like gweggy turd, Bbwian, Smiff stupid.  Try to rise above the stupid, Booby, not sink further and further into it. Security released Agatha after story hour at the library, then. Thank you, Attila, as you were. Not as you are. Not, indeed. You will always be just a resentful small Hun with a little learning but no ideas.

And you'll always be a cross-dressing fag.

Don't tell me you think the deviant-tension sh!t you post here are 'ideas'!

🚨

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JSin is less Jewish than a pork chop.

Kosher Jews don't bang Goyim grannies.

Gee. I bet your brain worked real hard to cough that one up like a kid's classic.  ::)

Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 8:32pm:

JSin is less Jewish than a pork chop. Kosher Jews don't bang Goyim grannies.

There ain't no granny bangers here.

I ain't never seen none nowhere.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 7:58pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 7:46pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 7:43pm: Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 7:40pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 7:38pm: Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 7:37pm: This is as stupid as you, Booby. Like gweggy turd, Bbwian, Smiff stupid.  Try to rise above the stupid, Booby, not sink further and further into it. Security released Agatha after story hour at the library, then. Thank you, Attila, as you were. Not as you are. Not, indeed. You will always be just a resentful small Hun with a little learning but no ideas.  And you'll always be a cross-dressing fag. Don't tell me you think the deviant-tension sh!t you post here are 'ideas'!

I am sensing barely conceiled botty anxiety , Atila. Fighting, repudiating  your anima.   Do not be afraid. Men played female characters for most of theatrical history. 

Frank wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 8:48pm:

Men played female characters for most of theatrical history.

I'd bet you know they did. You did this afternoon.

How would you put it? 'Fappity, fappity fap'.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 8:51pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 8:48pm: Men played female characters for most of theatrical history.  I'd bet you know they did. You did this afternoon. How would you put it? 'Fappity, fappity fap'.

I am sensing barely conceiled botty anxiety , Atila. Fighting, repudiating  your anima.   Do not be afraid.

Frank wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 8:58pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 8:51pm: Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 8:48pm: Men played female characters for most of theatrical history.  I'd bet you know they did. You did this afternoon. How would you put it? 'Fappity, fappity fap'. I am sensing barely conceiled botty anxiety , Atila. Fighting, repudiating  your anima.   Do not be afraid.

You're sensing a need to do something else, Agatha.

Can someone give a reply?

Should Jews apologise for killing Christ?

Frank v Meister Eccy


10   9   10   8.5    9    10

;D

Bobby. wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 9:04pm:

Can someone give a reply? Should Jews apologise for killing Christ?

I did. They've already apologised in the millions, especially at Auschwitz.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 7:05pm:

It was only recorded decades after the crucifixion that it was 'prophesied'.

Why would you say that?

Bobby. wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 8:38pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 8:32pm: JSin is less Jewish than a pork chop. Kosher Jews don't bang Goyim grannies. There ain't no granny bangers here. I ain't never seen none nowhere.

That's how you know they are there when you can't see them.

Granny-bangers don't like public exposure.

That's why JSin wears two trousers, a caftan, and a hoody.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 9:04pm:

Can someone give a reply? Should Jews apologise for killing Christ?

The Jews as a nation should apologise and accept Jesus as Lord, Saviour and Messiah.

Many Jews have done just that.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 9:01pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 8:58pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 8:51pm: Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 8:48pm: Men played female characters for most of theatrical history.  I'd bet you know they did. You did this afternoon. How would you put it? 'Fappity, fappity fap'. I am sensing barely conceiled botty anxiety , Atila. Fighting, repudiating  your anima.   Do not be afraid. You're sensing a need to do something else, Agatha.

Calmez-vous.... 

https://youtu.be/jvrR7ybMfSU?si=L1GEiHxSgWLceJBT

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 9:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 9:04pm: Can someone give a reply? Should Jews apologise for killing Christ? The Jews as a nation should apologise and accept Jesus as Lord, Saviour and Messiah. Many Jews have done just that.

Hi Lisa,
can you believe that the Jews waited 400 years for their Messiah to appear
and when he did they crucified him?

Bobby. wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 9:19pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 9:12pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 9:04pm: Can someone give a reply? Should Jews apologise for killing Christ? The Jews as a nation should apologise and accept Jesus as Lord, Saviour and Messiah. Many Jews have done just that. Hi Lisa, can you believe that the Jews waited 400 years for their Messiah to appear and when he did they crucified him?

Well they are about to accept a "messiah" who will in fact prove to be the very ANTI Christ.

NB : NOT ALL Jews. Some have indeed accepted Christ as their Lord, Saviour and Messiah.

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 9:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 9:19pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 9:12pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 9:04pm: Can someone give a reply? Should Jews apologise for killing Christ? The Jews as a nation should apologise and accept Jesus as Lord, Saviour and Messiah. Many Jews have done just that. Hi Lisa, can you believe that the Jews waited 400 years for their Messiah to appear and when he did they crucified him? Well they are about to accept a "messiah" who will in fact prove to be the very ANTI Christ. NB : NOT ALL Jews. Some have indeed accepted Christ as their Lord, Saviour and Messiah.

Yes but what more proof did they want that he was their Messiah?

He performed miracles.

https://medium.com/@davidblynov/why-did-god-wait-400-years-to-send-jesus-d1e1f11dd10d

Why Did God Wait 400 Years to Send Jesus?

Galatians 4:4 & the necessity of the intertestamental period



Apostle Paul in Galatians 4:4 states, “when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son…” What did Paul mean when he wrote this? Were there certain things that had to occur before Jesus could be sent down by God to the earth? What were these things, and why couldn’t they have happened right after the Old Testament was finished? Why did God wait another 400 years after the last prophet of the Old Testament, Malachi, before He began the New Testament?

The answer: certain conditions had to be set in place before God could send down His son in order to ensure that once the atoning sacrifice had been made, the gospel could be spread. Those conditions were: (1) the world needed to be philosophically prepared to receive the truth, (2) the world needed to be linguistically unified, (3) the world needed to be infrastructurally connected, and (4) the Jews needed to be ready for a savior.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 9:24pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 9:22pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 9:19pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 9:12pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 9:04pm: Can someone give a reply? Should Jews apologise for killing Christ? The Jews as a nation should apologise and accept Jesus as Lord, Saviour and Messiah. Many Jews have done just that. Hi Lisa, can you believe that the Jews waited 400 years for their Messiah to appear and when he did they crucified him? Well they are about to accept a "messiah" who will in fact prove to be the very ANTI Christ. NB : NOT ALL Jews. Some have indeed accepted Christ as their Lord, Saviour and Messiah. Yes but what more proof did they want that he was their Messiah? He performed miracles.

Many believed. Many did not. Don't make the mistake of throwing all Jews into the 1 basket Bobby.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 8:38pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 8:32pm: JSin is less Jewish than a pork chop. Kosher Jews don't bang Goyim grannies. There ain't no granny bangers here. I ain't never seen none nowhere.

seen any chimps padna ?

This tranny chimp has eyes on the mincing

Karnal " Miam Miam " any deals ? 

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Bobby. wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 9:27pm:

https://medium.com/@davidblynov/why-did-god-wait-400-years-to-send-jesus-d1e1f11dd10d Why Did God Wait 400 Years to Send Jesus? Galatians 4:4 & the necessity of the intertestamental period Apostle Paul in Galatians 4:4 states, “when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son…” What did Paul mean when he wrote this? Were there certain things that had to occur before Jesus could be sent down by God to the earth? What were these things, and why couldn’t they have happened right after the Old Testament was finished? Why did God wait another 400 years after the last prophet of the Old Testament, Malachi, before He began the New Testament? The answer: certain conditions had to be set in place before God could send down His son in order to ensure that once the atoning sacrifice had been made, the gospel could be spread. Those conditions were: (1) the world needed to be philosophically prepared to receive the truth, (2) the world needed to be linguistically unified, (3) the world needed to be infrastructurally connected, and (4) the Jews needed to be ready for a savior.

Khazarian Mafia infiltrated the Jewish Mafia whom ordered the

Crucifixion of THE CHRIST ... so let's see what happens when

HE COMES BACK !

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it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 9:34pm:

Khazarian Mafia infiltrated the Jewish Mafia whom ordered the Crucifixion of THE CHRIST ... so let's see what happens when HE COMES BACK !

Is that what you were taught in your Bible studies?

Well going by the fact that 95% of all Art depictions of Jesus have him as a Brunette northern European - I can see why the Jews in the Middle-East gave him the flick.  :D

Jasin wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 11:05pm:

Well going by the fact that 95% of all Art depictions of Jesus have him as a Brunette northern European - I can see why the Jews in the Middle-East gave him the flick.  :D

You've got a point:
http://www.thoughtsonmormonart.com/questions/should-christ-look-like-a-tennis-player-or-movie-star/

He looked like a Swedish tennis player.

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He even had blue eyes:

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Just shows how much of a 'lie' Religion can be.
Jesus would have had black hair, brown skin, brown eyes and a big nose to help against sandstorms.
But hey, Germany now knows how much of a lie Christianity is - after it turned its people into NAZI's, as an end result. It's now happily doing 'European' things like Eurovision, Soccer, Medicine and Cooking better meals than what they had at the Last Supper.
I don't think Jesus and Christianity is going to save France soon either. More like put a 'target' on its back as it burns like a Notre Dame cathedral leaving the country in ruins and its people genocided in the millions.

Should Jesus apologise for turning Europeans into Christians only to let them all down... in the end?

Bobby. wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 9:51pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 9:34pm: Khazarian Mafia infiltrated the Jewish Mafia whom ordered the Crucifixion of THE CHRIST ... so let's see what happens when HE COMES BACK ! Is that what you were taught in your Bible studies?

Nay sir knight , The Vatican Bible omits the Book of Enoch

and is why the child raping priest class should fall on their

treacherous faces and BEG forgiveness...,  it's worth a shot yet

them and those are surely heading for the pit .

.... The Christ is within all Human Hearts

Doth thou denyeth as much ? For it is so fear not beloved being

yet either way so it may go 🙏

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Jasin wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 6:51am:

Just shows how much of a 'lie' Religion can be. Jesus would have had black hair, brown skin, brown eyes and a big nose to help against sandstorms. But hey, Germany now knows how much of a lie Christianity is - after it turned its people into NAZI's, as an end result. It's now happily doing 'European' things like Eurovision, Soccer, Medicine and Cooking better meals than what they had at the Last Supper. I don't think Jesus and Christianity is going to save France soon either. More like put a 'target' on its back as it burns like a Notre Dame cathedral leaving the country in ruins and its people genocided in the millions. Should Jesus apologise for turning Europeans into Christians only to let them all down... in the end?

No - what is unexplained is why a portrait was never made of Jesus 2,000 years ago
given that he was the Messiah that the Jews had waited for, for 400 years.

it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 7:17am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 9:51pm: it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 9:34pm: Khazarian Mafia infiltrated the Jewish Mafia whom ordered the Crucifixion of THE CHRIST ... so let's see what happens when HE COMES BACK ! Is that what you were taught in your Bible studies? Nay sir knight , The Vatican Bible omits the Book of Enoch and is why the child raping priest class should fall on their treacherous faces and BEG forgiveness...,  it's worth a shot yet them and those are surely heading for the pit . .... The Christ is within all Human Hearts Doth thou denyeth as much ? For it is so fear not beloved being yet either way so it may go 🙏

dear sir brave master Light,
there is much that is hidden from us including the Gospel of Thomas.
Many secrets will one day be found in the Vatican library archives, hidden to all.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 10:31am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 7:17am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 9:51pm: it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 9:34pm: Khazarian Mafia infiltrated the Jewish Mafia whom ordered the Crucifixion of THE CHRIST ... so let's see what happens when HE COMES BACK ! Is that what you were taught in your Bible studies? Nay sir knight , The Vatican Bible omits the Book of Enoch and is why the child raping priest class should fall on their treacherous faces and BEG forgiveness...,  it's worth a shot yet them and those are surely heading for the pit . .... The Christ is within all Human Hearts Doth thou denyeth as much ? For it is so fear not beloved being yet either way so it may go 🙏 dear sir brave master Light, there is much that is hidden from us including the Gospel of Thomas. Many secrets will one day be found in the Vatican library archives, hidden to all.

Commandment 2 of 10

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image

Anyone with even a cursory knowledge of the New Testament will tell you that Jesus death was necessary as part of God's plan to bring His word to the people. The Jews and the Romans (lets not forget they actually carried out the execution) were instruments of Gods will, but even if they were not, their descendants cannot be held responsible for events 2000 years ago.  ::)

Frank wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 10:49am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 10:31am: it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 7:17am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 9:51pm: it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 9:34pm: Khazarian Mafia infiltrated the Jewish Mafia whom ordered the Crucifixion of THE CHRIST ... so let's see what happens when HE COMES BACK ! Is that what you were taught in your Bible studies? Nay sir knight , The Vatican Bible omits the Book of Enoch and is why the child raping priest class should fall on their treacherous faces and BEG forgiveness...,  it's worth a shot yet them and those are surely heading for the pit . .... The Christ is within all Human Hearts Doth thou denyeth as much ? For it is so fear not beloved being yet either way so it may go 🙏 dear sir brave master Light, there is much that is hidden from us including the Gospel of Thomas. Many secrets will one day be found in the Vatican library archives, hidden to all. Commandment 2 of 10 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image

The Catholics have plenty of pictures and statues.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 10:27am:

Jasin wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 6:51am: Just shows how much of a 'lie' Religion can be. Jesus would have had black hair, brown skin, brown eyes and a big nose to help against sandstorms. But hey, Germany now knows how much of a lie Christianity is - after it turned its people into NAZI's, as an end result. It's now happily doing 'European' things like Eurovision, Soccer, Medicine and Cooking better meals than what they had at the Last Supper. I don't think Jesus and Christianity is going to save France soon either. More like put a 'target' on its back as it burns like a Notre Dame cathedral leaving the country in ruins and its people genocided in the millions. Should Jesus apologise for turning Europeans into Christians only to let them all down... in the end? No - what is unexplained is why a portrait was never made of Jesus 2,000 years ago given that he was the Messiah that the Jews had waited for, for 400 years.

Because he was 'just an ordinary man' as Adolf Hitler was.
Except his love was Homosexual like all Messiahs.
As was Hitler's being was as Redneck as all Prophets are.
It's a 'Duality' of cause & effect.
Propaganda, like a Fish Tale, just adds 90% bulls_hit to the real thing. The depictions of Jesus since his existence is 'testament' to that!

...this is why Christianity (Religion) is failing in Europe.
Religion turned Germans into NAZI's.
It will fail the French like a Gay Messiah Fart.
It will unleash the MAFIA for the Vatican cause.
...and so on.  ;)

Jasin wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 3:39pm:

Because he was 'just an ordinary man' as Adolf Hitler was. Except his love was Homosexual like all Messiahs. As was Hitler's being was as Redneck as all Prophets are. It's a 'Duality' of cause & effect. Propaganda, like a Fish Tale, just adds 90% bulls_hit to the real thing. The depictions of Jesus since his existence is 'testament' to that! ...this is why Christianity (Religion) is failing in Europe. Religion turned Germans into NAZI's. It will fail the French like a Gay Messiah Fart. It will unleash the MAFIA for the Vatican cause. ...and so on.  ;)

He was not a homosexual.
That's blasphemy and heresy.

Does he look like a homo to you?

https://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Jesus_with_blue_eyes.jpg


https://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Jesus_with_auburn_hair.jpg

Bobby. wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 11:13am:

Frank wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 10:49am: Commandment 2 of 10 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image The Catholics have plenty of pictures and statues.

Well, Roman Catholics are not Jews, are they?  Jesus was.

If anything, Catholics should apologise as the Catholic church is the ininterrupted continuation of the state religion of the Roman Empire.

Frank wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 3:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 11:13am: Frank wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 10:49am: Commandment 2 of 10 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image The Catholics have plenty of pictures and statues. Well, Roman Catholics are not Jews, are they?  Jesus was. If anything, Catholics should apologise as the Catholic church is the ininterrupted continuation of the state religion of the Roman Empire.

The Catholic church claims that its church is built upon a rock -
uninterrupted since Jesus himself.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 3:49pm:

Jasin wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 3:39pm: Because he was 'just an ordinary man' as Adolf Hitler was. Except his love was Homosexual like all Messiahs. As was Hitler's being was as Redneck as all Prophets are. It's a 'Duality' of cause & effect. Propaganda, like a Fish Tale, just adds 90% bulls_hit to the real thing. The depictions of Jesus since his existence is 'testament' to that! ...this is why Christianity (Religion) is failing in Europe. Religion turned Germans into NAZI's. It will fail the French like a Gay Messiah Fart. It will unleash the MAFIA for the Vatican cause. ...and so on.  ;) He was not a homosexual. That's blasphemy and heresy. Does he look like a homo to you? https://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Jesus_with_blue_eyes.jpg https://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Jesus_with_auburn_hair.jpg

He looks like an absolute Poof!  ;D ;D

...poor Mary Magdalene.  :(

Jasin wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 5:02pm:

He looks like an absolute Poof!  ;D ;D ...poor Mary Magdalene.  :(

That's blasphemy and heresy.

You won't go to heaven.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 7:28pm:

Jasin wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 5:02pm: He looks like an absolute Poof!  ;D ;D ...poor Mary Magdalene.  :( That's blasphemy and heresy. You won't go to heaven.

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it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 11^th, 2024 at 10:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 7:28pm: Jasin wrote on Mar 11th, 2024 at 5:02pm: He looks like an absolute Poof!  ;D ;D ...poor Mary Magdalene.  :( That's blasphemy and heresy. You won't go to heaven.

No master Light -
Jesus will forgive JaSin for he knows not what he's done.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 6:39pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 6:21pm: It was forecast how and when Jesus was to die. The Jews fulfilled that prophecy But should they apologise? They did kill God.

I don't think so.
Had Jesus not passed away as he did then the prophecies would not have been fulfilled.
Jesus would not have become The Christ, we would not have had Christianity.
We would not have the offer of Forgiveness.

Also, this generation of Jews were not the ones there 2000 years ago.
Children are not responsible for their ancestors actions  2000 years ago

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/31/us/jesus-christ-skin-color-easter-blake-cec/index.html

At a Black church in Detroit Jesus is depicted as being Black:

https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/shutterstock-editorial-4685648a.jpg

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 2:09am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 6:39pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 6:21pm: It was forecast how and when Jesus was to die. The Jews fulfilled that prophecy But should they apologise? They did kill God. I don't think so. Had Jesus not passed away as he did then the prophecies would not have been fulfilled. Jesus would not have become The Christ, we would not have had Christianity. We would not have the offer of Forgiveness. Also, this generation of Jews were not the ones there 2000 years ago. Children are not responsible for their ancestors actions  2000 years ago

I agree. What about in Australia, we are not responsible for the actions of the first settlers.

Super Nova wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 8:49pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 2:09am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 6:39pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 6:21pm: It was forecast how and when Jesus was to die. The Jews fulfilled that prophecy But should they apologise? They did kill God. I don't think so. Had Jesus not passed away as he did then the prophecies would not have been fulfilled. Jesus would not have become The Christ, we would not have had Christianity. We would not have the offer of Forgiveness. Also, this generation of Jews were not the ones there 2000 years ago. Children are not responsible for their ancestors actions  2000 years ago I agree. What about in Australia, we are not responsible for the actions of the first settlers.

Same sort of thing. I had no hand in what happened to the Aborigines 100 years ago.
They have been treated badly, to say the least.

The British were being responsible for their Convicts.

American 'colonialism' was responsible for the Free Settlers with their 'freedom' to have a 'right' to own a gun.

...and that's where the violence against Aborigines began.
...and that's where the violence in-situ is still at: America and 'specifically' via the Media culture of America.

The notion that the Jewish people were responsible for killing Jesus comes to us from the myths of Jesus circulated at least 60 years after his death.

The reasons for that are obvious. Around 100AD, the so-called 'tribe' of the Christians were considered Jewish by Romans - the people who had been declared enemies of Rome.

To distance themselves from Judaism and absolve the Romans of wrongdoing for the crucifixion, blame was deflected by Christian leaders onto the Jewish people - 'killing' 2 birds with one stone.

Super Nova wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2024 at 8:49pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 2:09am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 6:39pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 6:21pm: It was forecast how and when Jesus was to die. The Jews fulfilled that prophecy But should they apologise? They did kill God. I don't think so. Had Jesus not passed away as he did then the prophecies would not have been fulfilled. Jesus would not have become The Christ, we would not have had Christianity. We would not have the offer of Forgiveness. Also, this generation of Jews were not the ones there 2000 years ago. Children are not responsible for their ancestors actions  2000 years ago I agree. What about in Australia, we are not responsible for the actions of the first settlers.

We could still say sorry for the genocide?

Bobby. wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 8:40am:

Super Nova wrote on Apr 2nd, 2024 at 8:49pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 12th, 2024 at 2:09am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 6:39pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 6:21pm: It was forecast how and when Jesus was to die. The Jews fulfilled that prophecy But should they apologise? They did kill God. I don't think so. Had Jesus not passed away as he did then the prophecies would not have been fulfilled. Jesus would not have become The Christ, we would not have had Christianity. We would not have the offer of Forgiveness. Also, this generation of Jews were not the ones there 2000 years ago. Children are not responsible for their ancestors actions  2000 years ago I agree. What about in Australia, we are not responsible for the actions of the first settlers. We could still say sorry for the genocide?

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MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2024 at 8:01am:

The notion that the Jewish people were responsible for killing Jesus comes to us from the myths of Jesus circulated at least 60 years after his death. The reasons for that are obvious. Around 100AD, the so-called 'tribe' of the Christians were considered Jewish by Romans - the people who had been declared enemies of Rome. To distance themselves from Judaism and absolve the Romans of wrongdoing for the crucifixion, blame was deflected by Christian leaders onto the Jewish people - 'killing' 2 birds with one stone.

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dear sir brave master Light,

should Jews apologise for killing Christ?

Bobby. wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 7:27am:

dear sir brave master Light, should Jews apologise for killing Christ?

Yes 100 %

Adolf tried to get them to  it is said

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it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 7:43am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 4th, 2024 at 7:27am: dear sir brave master Light, should Jews apologise for killing Christ? Yes 100 % Adolf tried to get them to  it is said

Some cannot handle the memes Sir Knight 🤷‍♂️

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Bobby. wrote on Apr 4^th, 2024 at 7:27am:

dear sir brave master Light, should Jews apologise for killing Christ?

Christ was a Jew.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 10^th, 2024 at 9:27pm:

https://medium.com/@davidblynov/why-did-god-wait-400-years-to-send-jesus-d1e1f11dd10d Why Did God Wait 400 Years to Send Jesus? Galatians 4:4 & the necessity of the intertestamental period Apostle Paul in Galatians 4:4 states, “when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son…” What did Paul mean when he wrote this? Were there certain things that had to occur before Jesus could be sent down by God to the earth? What were these things, and why couldn’t they have happened right after the Old Testament was finished? Why did God wait another 400 years after the last prophet of the Old Testament, Malachi, before He began the New Testament? The answer: certain conditions had to be set in place before God could send down His son in order to ensure that once the atoning sacrifice had been made, the gospel could be spread. Those conditions were: (1) the world needed to be philosophically prepared to receive the truth, (2) the world needed to be linguistically unified, (3) the world needed to be infrastructurally connected, and (4) the Jews needed to be ready for a savior.

The Jews waited 400 years for their Messiah to appear

and when he did they crucified him - they killed God.

I think the Jews are expecting a cradle to grave compensation for their grandparents being held captive in concentration camps 80 years ago. In fact, there is the idea that Jews should be compensated, simply because Jewish people unrelated to them were held captive in concentration camps.... 80 years ago.

That petitioner in the initial video happens to be a really extreme Jew. He is desperate to push the eternal victimhood of Jewish people.

UnSubRocky wrote on May 23^rd, 2024 at 9:14am:

I think the Jews are expecting a cradle to grave compensation for their grandparents being held captive in concentration camps 80 years ago. In fact, there is the idea that Jews should be compensated, simply because Jewish people unrelated to them were held captive in concentration camps.... 80 years ago. That petitioner in the initial video happens to be a really extreme Jew. He is desperate to push the eternal victimhood of Jewish people.

He's comedian.     ;D

Bobby. wrote on Apr 29^th, 2024 at 2:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 9:27pm: https://medium.com/@davidblynov/why-did-god-wait-400-years-to-send-jesus-d1e1f11dd10d Why Did God Wait 400 Years to Send Jesus? Galatians 4:4 & the necessity of the intertestamental period Apostle Paul in Galatians 4:4 states, “when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son…” What did Paul mean when he wrote this? Were there certain things that had to occur before Jesus could be sent down by God to the earth? What were these things, and why couldn’t they have happened right after the Old Testament was finished? Why did God wait another 400 years after the last prophet of the Old Testament, Malachi, before He began the New Testament? The answer: certain conditions had to be set in place before God could send down His son in order to ensure that once the atoning sacrifice had been made, the gospel could be spread. Those conditions were: (1) the world needed to be philosophically prepared to receive the truth, (2) the world needed to be linguistically unified, (3) the world needed to be infrastructurally connected, and (4) the Jews needed to be ready for a savior. The Jews waited 400 years for their Messiah to appear and when he did they crucified him - they killed God.

Christ was not the Redeemer of the Jews, not even if Christ had existed.

Jovial Monk wrote on May 23^rd, 2024 at 4:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 29th, 2024 at 2:32pm: Bobby. wrote on Mar 10th, 2024 at 9:27pm: https://medium.com/@davidblynov/why-did-god-wait-400-years-to-send-jesus-d1e1f11dd10d Why Did God Wait 400 Years to Send Jesus? Galatians 4:4 & the necessity of the intertestamental period Apostle Paul in Galatians 4:4 states, “when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son…” What did Paul mean when he wrote this? Were there certain things that had to occur before Jesus could be sent down by God to the earth? What were these things, and why couldn’t they have happened right after the Old Testament was finished? Why did God wait another 400 years after the last prophet of the Old Testament, Malachi, before He began the New Testament? The answer: certain conditions had to be set in place before God could send down His son in order to ensure that once the atoning sacrifice had been made, the gospel could be spread. Those conditions were: (1) the world needed to be philosophically prepared to receive the truth, (2) the world needed to be linguistically unified, (3) the world needed to be infrastructurally connected, and (4) the Jews needed to be ready for a savior. The Jews waited 400 years for their Messiah to appear and when he did they crucified him - they killed God. Christ was not the Redeemer of the Jews, not even if Christ had existed.

Are you a Jew? -
you're from Holland -
do you apologise for killing God?

I am part jewish.

Regarding apologies—don’t YOU owe me some sincere and manly apologies?

If, as is likely, you can’t manage the ‘manly’ part you can at least make some sincere apologies, right?

Jovial Monk wrote on May 23^rd, 2024 at 5:58pm:

I am part jewish. Regarding apologies—don’t YOU owe me some sincere and manly apologies? If, as is likely, you can’t manage the ‘manly’ part you can at least make some sincere apologies, right?

I only ever tried to help you with my Christian goodness -
but I failed.

You are not a Christian, that is very clear from your shitful behavior here.

BUT

You should be able to make some sincere apologies, or maybe facsimiles of sincere apologies. I do not need the unwanted, insincere help of a high school dropout who fakes being a christian.

Monk,
you have copies of genetic material in every cell of your body
that were responsible for killing Christ.
Will you apologise?

“Jesus Christ” did not exist. If he existed it was over 1900 years before I was born.

BUT

YOU have carried out many, many shitful actions against me here: doxxing, LOTS of doxxing, stealing my photos and videos of Socks, trying to blackmail me into letting you post MY videos that you STOLE on vile ShitChute, crossposting my mother’s death notice to here and the sewer WITHOUT asking me if I wanted you to do that, etc etc etc.

You have NEVER acknowledged the shitful actions you did, the hurt those caused nor have you apologised for them.

You accused me of being controlled by demons. It is very clear that YOU are the host of many foul demons.

Jovial Monk wrote on May 23^rd, 2024 at 6:48pm:

“Jesus Christ” did not exist. If he existed it was over 1900 years before I was born. BUT YOU have carried out many, many shitful actions against me here: doxxing, LOTS of doxxing, stealing my photos and videos of Socks, trying to blackmail me into letting you post MY videos that you STOLE on vile ShitChute, crossposting my mother’s death notice to here and the sewer WITHOUT asking me if I wanted you to do that, etc etc etc. You have NEVER acknowledged the shitful actions you did, the hurt those caused nor have you apologised for them. You accused me of being controlled by demons. It is very clear that YOU are the host of many foul demons.

And yet you still come back for more punishment. You're like the samon that jumps onto the hook :D LOL

Jovial Monk wrote on May 23^rd, 2024 at 6:48pm:

“Jesus Christ” did not exist. If he existed it was over 1900 years before I was born.

blasphemy, heresy and witchcraft.    :o

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2024 at 6:55pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on May 23rd, 2024 at 6:48pm: “Jesus Christ” did not exist. If he existed it was over 1900 years before I was born. blasphemy, heresy and witchcraft.    :o

TRUTH! REALITY!

You are a disgusting person, a creep. That is also thruth.

Jovial Monk wrote on May 23^rd, 2024 at 7:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 23rd, 2024 at 6:55pm: Jovial Monk wrote on May 23rd, 2024 at 6:48pm: “Jesus Christ” did not exist. If he existed it was over 1900 years before I was born. blasphemy, heresy and witchcraft.    :o TRUTH! REALITY! You are a disgusting person, a creep. That is also thruth.

Monk is possessed by demons:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1679744132/1080

Jovial Monk wrote on May 23^rd, 2024 at 6:48pm:

“Jesus Christ” did not exist. If he existed it was over 1900 years before I was born.

You are an idiot.

Nah, if demons existed they would have taken you over.

Frank wrote on May 23^rd, 2024 at 8:10pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on May 23rd, 2024 at 6:48pm: “Jesus Christ” did not exist. If he existed it was over 1900 years before I was born. You are an idiot.

Frankfurter—you need to replace the “You” in your post to “Goober and I.”

Frank wrote on May 23^rd, 2024 at 8:10pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on May 23rd, 2024 at 6:48pm: “Jesus Christ” did not exist. If he existed it was over 1900 years before I was born. You are an idiot.

Monk is lucky that the Inquisition is not in charge:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g76LwvbBEI

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2024 at 9:30am:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 23rd, 2024 at 9:14am: I think the Jews are expecting a cradle to grave compensation for their grandparents being held captive in concentration camps 80 years ago. In fact, there is the idea that Jews should be compensated, simply because Jewish people unrelated to them were held captive in concentration camps.... 80 years ago. That petitioner in the initial video happens to be a really extreme Jew. He is desperate to push the eternal victimhood of Jewish people. He's comedian.     ;D

I have watched that video clip twice in the space of 10 years. I did laugh. But, the underlying message of that smug fellow was that he was trying to push the stereotype of Christians having an obsession with victimizing Jewish people. Nobody really gives a damn about the death of some mythology character.

And the fact that the guy is a comedian does not do anything to discredit the idea that he is a Jewish extremist.

Frank wrote on May 23^rd, 2024 at 8:10pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on May 23rd, 2024 at 6:48pm: “Jesus Christ” did not exist. If he existed it was over 1900 years before I was born. You are an idiot.

No. There is no actual evidence that Jesus Christ ever existed. "Jesus Christ" is just another version of the Egyptian mythology character called "Horus". You would think that if the Romans put to death such a celebrity, they would have made such a big deal about the execution.

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2024 at 6:55pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on May 23rd, 2024 at 6:48pm: “Jesus Christ” did not exist. If he existed it was over 1900 years before I was born. blasphemy, heresy and witchcraft.    :o

How gullible you are to believe in stories like that.

If I started telling you about the amazing healing power of snake oil, you would probably make an order for gallon.

UnSubRocky wrote on May 23^rd, 2024 at 10:15pm:

Frank wrote on May 23rd, 2024 at 8:10pm: Jovial Monk wrote on May 23rd, 2024 at 6:48pm: “Jesus Christ” did not exist. If he existed it was over 1900 years before I was born. You are an idiot. No. There is no actual evidence that Jesus Christ ever existed. "Jesus Christ" is just another version of the Egyptian mythology character called "Horus". You would think that if the Romans put to death such a celebrity, they would have made such a big deal about the execution.

blasphemy, heresy, apostasy and witchcraft.     :o

Truth. Fact.

Not that you are a christian.

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2024 at 11:10pm:

blasphemy, heresy, apostasy and witchcraft.     :o

Would you really think that most people give a damn about your religion that they have to proceed carefully with what they write? No, they don't. Most Australians are non-religious. Going with the 2016 Australian Census, 55% of Australians identified as being Christian. Of those Christians, 10% of Christians would go to church services at least once a month. Whereas 2% of Christians would attend church services at least once a week.

Basically, 5% of Australians would attend church regularly or semi-regularly, in the year 2016. The other 50% of Australians who claimed to be Christians would hardly go.  That leads me to claim that Australia is a secular nation, and Bobby is part of the minority.

Think about the last census in Australia. 43% of Australians identified as Christians. I can tell you that church services are declining and churches are shutting down. A new generation of educated people are coming through as the latest adults to keep you fed and clothed in your old age. Education is the kryptonite to the concept of keeping religion viable. The more people know, the less religious they become.

UnSubRocky wrote on May 23^rd, 2024 at 10:15pm:

Frank wrote on May 23rd, 2024 at 8:10pm: Jovial Monk wrote on May 23rd, 2024 at 6:48pm: “Jesus Christ” did not exist. If he existed it was over 1900 years before I was born. You are an idiot. No. There is no actual evidence that Jesus Christ ever existed. "Jesus Christ" is just another version of the Egyptian mythology character called "Horus". You would think that if the Romans put to death such a celebrity, they would have made such a big deal about the execution.

:D :D


Oh, right on cue, the "it's just another...." argument arrives.

He wasn't a celebrity, the crucified him, the punishment for slaves, not 'celebrities'.   One of the crucial points is PRECISELY that he was not treated like a god or celebrity but was humiliated and scourged.

UnSubRocky wrote on May 24^th, 2024 at 8:36am:

Bobby. wrote on May 23rd, 2024 at 11:10pm: blasphemy, heresy, apostasy and witchcraft.     :o Would you really think that most people give a damn about your religion that they have to proceed carefully with what they write? No, they don't. Most Australians are non-religious. Going with the 2016 Australian Census, 55% of Australians identified as being Christian. Of those Christians, 10% of Christians would go to church services at least once a month. Whereas 2% of Christians would attend church services at least once a week. Basically, 5% of Australians would attend church regularly or semi-regularly, in the year 2016. The other 50% of Australians who claimed to be Christians would hardly go.  That leads me to claim that Australia is a secular nation, and Bobby is part of the minority. Think about the last census in Australia. 43% of Australians identified as Christians. I can tell you that church services are declining and churches are shutting down. A new generation of educated people are coming through as the latest adults to keep you fed and clothed in your old age. Education is the kryptonite to the concept of keeping religion viable. The more people know, the less religious they become.

There is one faith and all else is sin.

Some souls have turned so far from God
that pain is the only way to call them back.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g76LwvbBEI

Frank wrote on May 24^th, 2024 at 8:46am:

Oh, right on cue, the "it's just another...." argument arrives. He wasn't a celebrity, the crucified him, the punishment for slaves, not 'celebrities'.   One of the crucial points is PRECISELY that he was not treated like a god or celebrity but was humiliated and scourged.

Oh, right on cue, the religious fundamentalist dork trying to rationalise hundreds of years of international terrorism, just because some children's stories made an impression on frank.

Jesus was not anything other than a mythology character. Religion is used to scare the stupid people. Most children grow out of believing in the bogeyman by the time they reach their teens. But, not you?

Bobby. wrote on May 24^th, 2024 at 8:58am:

There is one faith and all else is sin. Some souls have turned so far from God that pain is the only way to call them back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g76LwvbBEI

If I could be bothered, I would research all the contradictions and falsehoods of the New Testament of your bible and tear the religion of Christianity to pieces.

UnSubRocky wrote on May 24^th, 2024 at 11:44am:

Frank wrote on May 24th, 2024 at 8:46am: Oh, right on cue, the "it's just another...." argument arrives. He wasn't a celebrity, the crucified him, the punishment for slaves, not 'celebrities'.   One of the crucial points is PRECISELY that he was not treated like a god or celebrity but was humiliated and scourged. Oh, right on cue, the religious fundamentalist dork trying to rationalise hundreds of years of international terrorism, just because some children's stories made an impression on frank. Jesus was not anything other than a mythology character. Religion is used to scare the stupid people. Most children grow out of believing in the bogeyman by the time they reach their teens. But, not you?

Nonsense. You don't have to believe in Christianity  or the divinity or otherwise of Jesus to know that he
1 did exist
2  was not a celebrity
3 has nuffin' to do with Horus


These are not matters of faith or belief in the divine.

Religion is NOT JUST for scaring stupid people although it has been used for that (not just Christianity but all of them).
To say that religion is JUST THAT is evidently ignorant and blinkered.

Jesus Christ did NOT exist. There has been no verifiable evidence to show that there was a person who did all that was written in the Bible about Jesus.

Plenty of only partly sane preachers about at the time.

There is not a shred of evidence that Christ—the Christ of the NT—actually existed.

That census that sent Joseph and Mary to Bethlehem—no record of it.

Jovial Monk wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 9:22am:

Plenty of only partly sane preachers about at the time. There is not a shred of evidence that Christ—the Christ of the NT—actually existed. That census that sent Joseph and Mary to Bethlehem—no record of it.

That is the devil inside you talking.

Bobby. wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 9:32am:

That is the devil inside you talking.

Bobby minutes after Bobby wrote that:

https://media1.tenor.com/m/XMxjsdVjHLMAAAAd/gioated-family-guy.gif

Demons exist - sometimes right in front of our noses:


https://i.ibb.co/pjpQDKk/Werewolf-Altamont-10.gif

It has been pointed out numerous times that the guy was high on drugs at that concert. I watched the video, and the security there had the guy chucked out of the concert.

UnSubRocky wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 11:20am:

It has been pointed out numerous times that the guy was high on drugs at that concert. I watched the video, and the security there had the guy chucked out of the concert.

It was at 2:20 in the video.
The first time in history that a werewolf had been caught on camera:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRQaqmP7QGY

UnSubRocky wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 8:28am:

Jesus Christ did NOT exist. There has been no verifiable evidence to show that there was a person who did all that was written in the Bible about Jesus.

The stories about Jesus are very particular, story-like. They are nothing like mythological fables at all. Too specific to be mere fabulations.
Also remember that his followers were severely persecuted for 300 years - you dont invent something and then get maryred for it, knowing that it was a mere invention. Nobody would die for Grimm's Fairy Tales or for the truth of Achilles, or even Plato or Aristotle.

You can say that Jesus was nothing special, although that would be pretty stupid considering his evident impact and effect on the world, but to say that he didn't even exist yet had a greater impact than anyone else is just idiotic in the extreme.

Frank wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 9:06pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 8:28am: Jesus Christ did NOT exist. There has been no verifiable evidence to show that there was a person who did all that was written in the Bible about Jesus. The stories about Jesus are very particular, story-like. They are nothing like mythological fables at all. Too specific to be mere fabulations. Also remember that his followers were severely persecuted for 300 years - you dont invent something and then get maryred for it, knowing that it was a mere invention. Nobody would die for Grimm's Fairy Tales or for the truth of Achilles, or even Plato or Aristotle. You can say that Jesus was nothing special, although that would be pretty stupid considering his evident impact and effect on the world, but to say that he didn't even exist yet had a greater impact than anyone else is just idiotic in the extreme.

Frank, there are people out there that would be part of a mass suicide cult, when a comet passes closely by the Earth. There are those who would accept money from terrorist organisations, go out and snort cocaine, and then board planes to crash into various buildings to inflict mass casualties. There are those people that blamed minorities for the failure of an earlier war, and would send those minorities to be slaves in concentration camps as a way to appease a majority of people.

There are all kinds of examples out there of people following bullshit examples of superstition and wildly inaccurate supposition that leads them to committing crazy things. I dare say that a few Christians, who have been around for generations, hundreds of years before Constantine made Christianity an official religion, would have had an impact on creating Christianity from scratch on a made up story about some narcissistic woodworker. The thing is, Christianity did not take off until after the founding of the Americas. Ask the average European, they are not very religious. Aske the average American, they are very religious.

You can imagine that there is an argument that the Americans descended from the first pilgrims were only there because their ancestors were kicked out of Europe for being too religious. Europeans did not generally believe that a Jewish person was endowed with supernatural abilities. And it is commonsense that if you have these supernatural abilities, then it would be difficult to get executed so easily.

Us Jews apologised in WW2.

UnSubRocky wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 12:29pm:

Frank wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 9:06pm: UnSubRocky wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 8:28am: Jesus Christ did NOT exist. There has been no verifiable evidence to show that there was a person who did all that was written in the Bible about Jesus. The stories about Jesus are very particular, story-like. They are nothing like mythological fables at all. Too specific to be mere fabulations. Also remember that his followers were severely persecuted for 300 years - you dont invent something and then get maryred for it, knowing that it was a mere invention. Nobody would die for Grimm's Fairy Tales or for the truth of Achilles, or even Plato or Aristotle. You can say that Jesus was nothing special, although that would be pretty stupid considering his evident impact and effect on the world, but to say that he didn't even exist yet had a greater impact than anyone else is just idiotic in the extreme. Frank, there are people out there that would be part of a mass suicide cult, when a comet passes closely by the Earth. There are those who would accept money from terrorist organisations, go out and snort cocaine, and then board planes to crash into various buildings to inflict mass casualties. There are those people that blamed minorities for the failure of an earlier war, and would send those minorities to be slaves in concentration camps as a way to appease a majority of people. There are all kinds of examples out there of people following bullshit examples of superstition and wildly inaccurate supposition that leads them to committing crazy things. I dare say that a few Christians, who have been around for generations, hundreds of years before Constantine made Christianity an official religion, would have had an impact on creating Christianity from scratch on a made up story about some narcissistic woodworker. The thing is, Christianity did not take off until after the founding of the Americas. Ask the average European, they are not very religious. Aske the average American, they are very religious. You can imagine that there is an argument that the Americans descended from the first pilgrims were only there because their ancestors were kicked out of Europe for being too religious. Europeans did not generally believe that a Jewish person was endowed with supernatural abilities. And it is commonsense that if you have these supernatural abilities, then it would be difficult to get executed so easily.

MASSIVE historical ignorance there, rocky.
Bbwianesque proportion. TGD proportions.

Frank wrote on May 25^th, 2024 at 9:06pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 8:28am: Jesus Christ did NOT exist. There has been no verifiable evidence to show that there was a person who did all that was written in the Bible about Jesus. The stories about Jesus are very particular, story-like. They are nothing like mythological fables at all. Too specific to be mere fabulations. Also remember that his followers were severely persecuted for 300 years - you dont invent something and then get maryred for it, knowing that it was a mere invention. Nobody would die for Grimm's Fairy Tales or for the truth of Achilles, or even Plato or Aristotle. You can say that Jesus was nothing special, although that would be pretty stupid considering his evident impact and effect on the world, but to say that he didn't even exist yet had a greater impact than anyone else is just idiotic in the extreme.

Ah.

So you can prove he existed?

greggerypeccary wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 3:35pm:

Frank wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 9:06pm: UnSubRocky wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 8:28am: Jesus Christ did NOT exist. There has been no verifiable evidence to show that there was a person who did all that was written in the Bible about Jesus. The stories about Jesus are very particular, story-like. They are nothing like mythological fables at all. Too specific to be mere fabulations. Also remember that his followers were severely persecuted for 300 years - you dont invent something and then get maryred for it, knowing that it was a mere invention. Nobody would die for Grimm's Fairy Tales or for the truth of Achilles, or even Plato or Aristotle. You can say that Jesus was nothing special, although that would be pretty stupid considering his evident impact and effect on the world, but to say that he didn't even exist yet had a greater impact than anyone else is just idiotic in the extreme. Ah. So you can prove he existed?

You obviously do not accept existing proofs accepted by hundreds of millions, so tell us, what kind of proof are you after?

Frank wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 3:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 3:35pm: Frank wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 9:06pm: UnSubRocky wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 8:28am: Jesus Christ did NOT exist. There has been no verifiable evidence to show that there was a person who did all that was written in the Bible about Jesus. The stories about Jesus are very particular, story-like. They are nothing like mythological fables at all. Too specific to be mere fabulations. Also remember that his followers were severely persecuted for 300 years - you dont invent something and then get maryred for it, knowing that it was a mere invention. Nobody would die for Grimm's Fairy Tales or for the truth of Achilles, or even Plato or Aristotle. You can say that Jesus was nothing special, although that would be pretty stupid considering his evident impact and effect on the world, but to say that he didn't even exist yet had a greater impact than anyone else is just idiotic in the extreme. Ah. So you can prove he existed? You obviously do not accept existing proofs accepted by hundreds of millions, so tell us, what kind of proof are you after?

Archaeological evidence?   :-/

greggerypeccary wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 3:51pm:

Archaeological evidence?   :-/

You have a point -
why wasn't there not even a portrait of Jesus?

Why not 100s of them at different stages of his life?
It's a bit weird.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 3:51pm:

Frank wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 3:50pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 3:35pm: Frank wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 9:06pm: UnSubRocky wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 8:28am: Jesus Christ did NOT exist. There has been no verifiable evidence to show that there was a person who did all that was written in the Bible about Jesus. The stories about Jesus are very particular, story-like. They are nothing like mythological fables at all. Too specific to be mere fabulations. Also remember that his followers were severely persecuted for 300 years - you dont invent something and then get maryred for it, knowing that it was a mere invention. Nobody would die for Grimm's Fairy Tales or for the truth of Achilles, or even Plato or Aristotle. You can say that Jesus was nothing special, although that would be pretty stupid considering his evident impact and effect on the world, but to say that he didn't even exist yet had a greater impact than anyone else is just idiotic in the extreme. Ah. So you can prove he existed? You obviously do not accept existing proofs accepted by hundreds of millions, so tell us, what kind of proof are you after? Archaeological evidence?   :-/

There is no achaelogical evidence for most historical figures from antiquity. Did they not exist?

Frank wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 2:50pm:

MASSIVE historical ignorance there, rocky. Bbwianesque proportion. TGD proportions.

Frank, there is no record of a Jesus of Nazareth -- son of Joseph and Mary -- or whatever name was actually given to some people in Bethlehem in the year 4 BC to AD 4. You have no historical context to even make a claim of the person existing.

I would place your argument in the same context of people who believe Jack and Rose existed on the Titanic, simply because the Titanic existed.

UnSubRocky wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 5:01pm:

Frank wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 2:50pm: MASSIVE historical ignorance there, rocky. Bbwianesque proportion. TGD proportions. Frank, there is no record of a Jesus of Nazareth -- son of Joseph and Mary -- or whatever name was actually given to some people in Bethlehem in the year 4 BC to AD 4. You have no historical context to even make a claim of the person existing. I would place your argument in the same context of people who believe Jack and Rose existed on the Titanic, simply because the Titanic existed.

There is abundant evidence.  There is no record of the census of anybody from that time even though there is a record of censuses.  So that they don tf appear on a l dagger is no argument - there is no extant ledger to appear on for anyone who lived at the time.

But we have a huge historical context, multiple, independent records discussing in mundane, non-mythological (this is important) detail his last few weeks of life.

I think you are muddled by the evidence for his divinity as distinct from his existence. You do not need to deny his existence in order to refuse his divinity. He obviously existed. Lots of people l e were writing about him independently from each other.

Was he god/son of/coexisting/etc - another matter.

UnSubRocky wrote on May 23^rd, 2024 at 10:15pm:

Frank wrote on May 23rd, 2024 at 8:10pm: Jovial Monk wrote on May 23rd, 2024 at 6:48pm: “Jesus Christ” did not exist. If he existed it was over 1900 years before I was born. You are an idiot. No. There is no actual evidence that Jesus Christ ever existed. "Jesus Christ" is just another version of the Egyptian mythology character called "Horus". You would think that if the Romans put to death such a celebrity, they would have made such a big deal about the execution.

I went to see this exhibition. Too far from Rockhampton but you can still listen to the audio guide.
That Jesus had nothing to do with Horus is just too obvious and your making the "Oh, it's just.." gambit is ignorant to an embarrassing degree.


https://www.nma.gov.au/exhibitions/discovering-ancient-egypt/tour

Well worth a visit, study, reflection.

Frank wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 4:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 3:51pm: Frank wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 3:50pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 3:35pm: Frank wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 9:06pm: UnSubRocky wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 8:28am: Jesus Christ did NOT exist. There has been no verifiable evidence to show that there was a person who did all that was written in the Bible about Jesus. The stories about Jesus are very particular, story-like. They are nothing like mythological fables at all. Too specific to be mere fabulations. Also remember that his followers were severely persecuted for 300 years - you dont invent something and then get maryred for it, knowing that it was a mere invention. Nobody would die for Grimm's Fairy Tales or for the truth of Achilles, or even Plato or Aristotle. You can say that Jesus was nothing special, although that would be pretty stupid considering his evident impact and effect on the world, but to say that he didn't even exist yet had a greater impact than anyone else is just idiotic in the extreme. Ah. So you can prove he existed? You obviously do not accept existing proofs accepted by hundreds of millions, so tell us, what kind of proof are you after? Archaeological evidence?   :-/ There is no achaelogical evidence for most historical figures from antiquity. Did they not exist?

To summarise:

The answer to my question "So you can prove he existed?", is 'no'.

Thank you for playing.

Bobby. wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 4:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 3:51pm: Archaeological evidence?   :-/ You have a point - why wasn't there not even a portrait of Jesus? Why not 100s of them at different stages of his life? It's a bit weird.

Yes.

It's almost as if he didn't exist.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 9:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 4:12pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 3:51pm: Archaeological evidence?   :-/ You have a point - why wasn't there not even a portrait of Jesus? Why not 100s of them at different stages of his life? It's a bit weird. Yes. It's almost as if he didn't exist.

I know - a lot of it seems a bit silly.
What about Moses with his tablets?
They were made out of clay.

Why not make 100 tablets out of an isotope of some rare metal that is not found by itself in nature
in that pure form and distribute to places all over the world so that later technology from the 20th century
could detect that it was something that could only have come from God himself?

All we get are stories in old books.
It's enough to make armies of doubting Thomas's so I'm not surprised that
there are so many non-believers and I can't blame them.

greggerypeccary wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 9:43pm:

Frank wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 4:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 3:51pm: Frank wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 3:50pm: greggerypeccary wrote on May 26th, 2024 at 3:35pm: Frank wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 9:06pm: UnSubRocky wrote on May 25th, 2024 at 8:28am: Jesus Christ did NOT exist. There has been no verifiable evidence to show that there was a person who did all that was written in the Bible about Jesus. The stories about Jesus are very particular, story-like. They are nothing like mythological fables at all. Too specific to be mere fabulations. Also remember that his followers were severely persecuted for 300 years - you dont invent something and then get maryred for it, knowing that it was a mere invention. Nobody would die for Grimm's Fairy Tales or for the truth of Achilles, or even Plato or Aristotle. You can say that Jesus was nothing special, although that would be pretty stupid considering his evident impact and effect on the world, but to say that he didn't even exist yet had a greater impact than anyone else is just idiotic in the extreme. Ah. So you can prove he existed? You obviously do not accept existing proofs accepted by hundreds of millions, so tell us, what kind of proof are you after? Archaeological evidence?   :-/ There is no achaelogical evidence for most historical figures from antiquity. Did they not exist? To summarise: The answer to my question "So you can prove he existed?", is 'no'. Thank you for playing.

Not at all, dishonest turd.

There is lots of written evidence, you just do not accept any of it. The evidence you demand - archaeological, like his sandal, his shroud, wood from the true cross, the menu for the last supper, his birth and death certificate and all the rest of nonsense from the Book of Dan Brown -  doesn't exist for most figures of antiquity so you demand, probably knowingly, complete nonsense.

As for Bobby's idiotic request for hundreds of portraits - they do not exist even for Caiphas or Pilate, much more famous at the time. Jesus and his followers were Jews, so no graven images, anyway.

Frank, seek psychological help. You obviously have some brainwashing going on in your life, being so gullible to fall for such bullshit. Children grow out of such beliefs by the time they are teenagers. Adults even push the claim that there is nothing to even suggest that Jesus is nothing more than a mythology tale.

Frank wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 8:33am:

Not at all, dishonest turd. There is lots of written evidence, you just do not accept any of it. The evidence you demand - archaeological, like his sandal, his shroud, wood from the true cross, the menu for the last supper, his birth and death certificate and all the rest of nonsense from the Book of Dan Brown -  doesn't exist for most figures of antiquity so you demand, probably knowingly, complete nonsense. As for Bobby's idiotic request for hundreds of portraits - they do not exist even for Caiphas or Pilate, much more famous at the time. Jesus and his followers were Jews, so no graven images, anyway.

But what did he look like?


https://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Jesus_with_blue_eyes.jpg


https://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/Jesus_with_auburn_hair.jpg


https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/shutterstock-editorial-4685648a.jpg

Jews should apologize for killing free speech.

UnSubRocky wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 9:34am:

Frank, seek psychological help. You obviously have some brainwashing going on in your life, being so gullible to fall for such bullshit. Children grow out of such beliefs by the time they are teenagers. Adults even push the claim that there is nothing to even suggest that Jesus is nothing more than a mythology tale.

What is the bullshit belief I have fallen for here?

Frank wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 12:10pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 9:34am: Frank, seek psychological help. You obviously have some brainwashing going on in your life, being so gullible to fall for such bullshit. Children grow out of such beliefs by the time they are teenagers. Adults even push the claim that there is nothing to even suggest that Jesus is nothing more than a mythology tale. What is the bullshit belief I have fallen for here?

The mythological cult of Judaism.

Jesus had at least six siblings, so he must have existed. His brother James was sceptical of Jesus being the son of God

Bias_2012 wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 2:38pm:

Jesus had at least six siblings, so he must have existed. ...

Scrooge McDuck had at least three nephews - Huey, Dewey, and Louie - so he must have existed.

Frank wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 12:10pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 9:34am: Frank, seek psychological help. You obviously have some brainwashing going on in your life, being so gullible to fall for such bullshit. Children grow out of such beliefs by the time they are teenagers. Adults even push the claim that there is nothing to even suggest that Jesus is nothing more than a mythology tale. What is the bullshit belief I have fallen for here?

That you believe that Jesus Christ is real.

UnSubRocky wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 5:03pm:

Frank wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 12:10pm: UnSubRocky wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 9:34am: Frank, seek psychological help. You obviously have some brainwashing going on in your life, being so gullible to fall for such bullshit. Children grow out of such beliefs by the time they are teenagers. Adults even push the claim that there is nothing to even suggest that Jesus is nothing more than a mythology tale. What is the bullshit belief I have fallen for here? That you believe that Jesus Christ is real.

Well, I don't really want to get into an argument about what is real with someone who feeds his mind and imagination with B grade fantasy movies and books.

As I said before, the divinity or otherwise of Jesus is not the point. You are rearing up against the divine attributes. I am not arguing about those. I am simply saying that there was a man called Jesus, he lived in 1st century Judea, he was crucified by the Romans 'on advice' by the Jewish religious establishment.

If you want to reject his miracles, divinity, resurrection - go ahead, I am not arguing about any of that.

But I think it is blustering, ignorant stupidity to simply deny that he even existed, when there is so much written evidence about his existence, from sympathetic and unsympathetic sources.

The sympathetic sources, moreover, a sympathetic in their interpretations, NOT in their descriptions of the ordinary, mundane elements of the story. If you had ANY ear for myths, story, recount, reportage etc you would see/hear that there is nothing mythological about the accounts of Jesus. The language is that of reportage, nothing like mythology:
“Goddess, sing the rage of Pelias’ son Achilles,
Destructive, how it gave the Achaeans endless pain
And send many brave souls of heroes to Hades—
And it made them food for the dogs
And all the birds as Zeus plan was being fulfilled.
Start from when those two first diverged in strife,
The lord of men Atreus’ son and godly Achilles.”
(Iliad)


The stories about Jesus are just not a mythological stories at all, nothing like the stories of Achilles, above, or Hercules or any of the other myths and fables from east or west.


I don't know what you are studying at CQU in Rocky but you have no ear or mind to sift basic critical textual analysis or historical evidence.

Frank/Longy,

Quote:

I am simply saying that there was a man called Jesus, he lived in 1st century Judea, he was crucified by the Romans 'on advice' by the Jewish religious establishment.

So should Jews apologise for killing Christ?

Frank, your surname is 'Spenser' is it?


Some mothers do av em. Especially in your case.

John Smith wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 7:49pm:

Frank, your surname is 'Spenser' is it? Some mothers do av em. Especially in your case.

Do you think Frank here is as in good physical shape as the young Michael Crawford?

UnSubRocky wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 8:42pm:

John Smith wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 7:49pm: Frank, your surname is 'Spenser' is it? Some mothers do av em. Especially in your case. Do you think Frank here is as in good physical shape as the young Michael Crawford?

I didn't mention Michael Crawford.  I mentioned Frank Spencer.  Do you know how TV works?

Bobby. wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 7:45pm:

Frank/Longy, Quote: I am simply saying that there was a man called Jesus, he lived in 1st century Judea, he was crucified by the Romans 'on advice' by the Jewish religious establishment. So should Jews apologise for killing Christ?

Boobs, you are a barely coherent space cadet, a pair of saggy tits,  unmoored in Melbourne - picture that!

What do you know or comprehend? Your questions betray your stupidity.

John Smith wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 9:05pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 8:42pm: John Smith wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 7:49pm: Frank, your surname is 'Spenser' is it? Some mothers do av em. Especially in your case. Do you think Frank here is as in good physical shape as the young Michael Crawford? I didn't mention Michael Crawford.  I mentioned Frank Spencer.  Do you know how TV works?

Here, the mongs whose horizon is encompassed by tv!  :D :D

F***ng bogan mongs.

Frank wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 9:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 7:45pm: Frank/Longy, Quote: I am simply saying that there was a man called Jesus, he lived in 1st century Judea, he was crucified by the Romans 'on advice' by the Jewish religious establishment. So should Jews apologise for killing Christ? Boobs, you are a barely coherent space cadet, a pair of saggy tits,  unmoored in Melbourne - picture that! What do you know or comprehend? Your questions betray your stupidity.

For you Frank/Longy  :

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/161/912/883/original/0b16dd8673f6d770.jpg

Frank wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 7:11pm:

Well, I don't really want to get into an argument about what is real with someone who feeds his mind and imagination with B grade fantasy movies and books.

The few B-grade fantasy movies are more set in reality than some tale about a cult leader (of 12 disciples) who went about preaching a lot of rubbish during an ancient time.


Quote:

As I said before, the divinity or otherwise of Jesus is not the point. You are rearing up against the divine attributes. I am not arguing about those. I am simply saying that there was a man called Jesus, he lived in 1st century Judea, he was crucified by the Romans 'on advice' by the Jewish religious establishment.

At the very least, you have conceded that Jesus was not endowed with superpowers.


Quote:

If you want to reject his miracles, divinity, resurrection - go ahead, I am not arguing about any of that.

Excellent. Because to argue that Jesus had all these miraculous abilities, but could not get out of an execution was a starting point for my pathway to a non-religious personality. I think I was 9 years old by the time I came to that kind of conclusion.


Quote:

But I think it is blustering, ignorant stupidity to simply deny that he even existed, when there is so much written evidence about his existence, from sympathetic and unsympathetic sources.

There is yet to be a single source of evidence to show that Jesus EVER existed in Judea or wherever else you might read about. The story of Jesus is just mythology. Much like that of children and teenagers who revere "Harry Potter" and "Lord of the Rings". You interpret the stories to be taken allegorically. Could you imagine in 1500 years time people considering Bilbo Baggins to be a real person from the 1950s who saved the world from chaos? I feel that you see "Jesus" in much the same way. And that is disheartening.


Quote:

....The stories about Jesus are just not a mythological stories at all, nothing like the stories of Achilles, above, or Hercules or any of the other myths and fables from east or west.

I believe Hercules and Achilles to be mythology. As stated in google searches. Why do you have a problem with my interpretation of Jesus as also mythological? You said that it was up to me to decide for myself. Maybe it is because I live in a secular nation called "Australia" that I have determined that religion is irrelevant to modern thought. If people 2000 years ago went about their way after an execution of a cult leader and there is no writing of riotous behaviour in protest of a particular execution, then it would be reasonable to conclude that the guy did not exist at all. And given that the Romans were still worshipping Roman gods in the 16th century, I could consider that the main reason for the rise in Christianity was due to the foundations of the Americas.


Quote:

I don't know what you are studying at CQU in Rocky but you have no ear or mind to sift basic critical textual analysis or historical evidence.

I did twelve years of formal education. I graduated and went on to do a few different courses at university and TAFE. I have accredited research skills in humanities. I have basic to intermediate skill in computing. Currently, I am doing a work integrated learning program with CQU in an industry that requires workers. People my age are more likely than any other age group to join. Though, I won't tell you where.

Even though my research skills have not been tested in about 20 years, I have enough skill to critically analyse a topic, such as religion to draw surmises and inferences so that I can say "Jesus Christ" did not exist. But, given that my attempt at reading my late grandmother's bible ended in me throwing the book across the room in protest to the insanity of that book, it is difficult for me to be motivated towards writing a detailed analysis of the bible for its credibility.

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John is all that I recall reading of the New Testament. There are smatterings of the bible that I have quickly read and forgotten about. But, beyond that, I have not even bothered to do anything with the bible other than to wipe the dust off and placing that book in the bookshelf in the fiction section.

John Smith wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 9:05pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 8:42pm: John Smith wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 7:49pm: Frank, your surname is 'Spenser' is it? Some mothers do av em. Especially in your case. Do you think Frank here is as in good physical shape as the young Michael Crawford? I didn't mention Michael Crawford.  I mentioned Frank Spencer.  Do you know how TV works?

Given that Michael Crawford played Frank Spencer in that show, I don't see your point.

UnSubRocky wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 9:32pm:

John Smith wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 9:05pm: UnSubRocky wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 8:42pm: John Smith wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 7:49pm: Frank, your surname is 'Spenser' is it? Some mothers do av em. Especially in your case. Do you think Frank here is as in good physical shape as the young Michael Crawford? I didn't mention Michael Crawford.  I mentioned Frank Spencer.  Do you know how TV works? Given that Michael Crawford played Frank Spencer in that show, I don't see your point.

Spenser was a clumsy, bumbling idiot.  Crawford is a genius. That is the point you fool.

John Smith wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 10:19pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 9:32pm: John Smith wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 9:05pm: UnSubRocky wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 8:42pm: John Smith wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 7:49pm: Frank, your surname is 'Spenser' is it? Some mothers do av em. Especially in your case. Do you think Frank here is as in good physical shape as the young Michael Crawford? I didn't mention Michael Crawford.  I mentioned Frank Spencer.  Do you know how TV works? Given that Michael Crawford played Frank Spencer in that show, I don't see your point. Spenser was a clumsy, bumbling idiot.  Crawford is a genius. That is the point you fool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W3M8XZS-cs



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vb5zwLbwds

John Smith wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 10:19pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 9:32pm: John Smith wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 9:05pm: UnSubRocky wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 8:42pm: John Smith wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 7:49pm: Frank, your surname is 'Spenser' is it? Some mothers do av em. Especially in your case. Do you think Frank here is as in good physical shape as the young Michael Crawford? I didn't mention Michael Crawford.  I mentioned Frank Spencer.  Do you know how TV works? Given that Michael Crawford played Frank Spencer in that show, I don't see your point. Spenser was a clumsy, bumbling idiot.  Crawford is a genius. That is the point you fool.

Spencer was played brilliantly by Crawford. Crawford was creative with his physicality on the show, and made sure that Frank Spencer's reputation continued to be in the minds of the Baby Boomers right into the 1990s.

I will admit, I don't know if you are being sarcastic.

UnSubRocky wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 9:27pm:

Frank wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 7:11pm: Well, I don't really want to get into an argument about what is real with someone who feeds his mind and imagination with B grade fantasy movies and books. The few B-grade fantasy movies are more set in reality than some tale about a cult leader (of 12 disciples) who went about preaching a lot of rubbish during an ancient time. Quote: As I said before, the divinity or otherwise of Jesus is not the point. You are rearing up against the divine attributes. I am not arguing about those. I am simply saying that there was a man called Jesus, he lived in 1st century Judea, he was crucified by the Romans 'on advice' by the Jewish religious establishment. At the very least, you have conceded that Jesus was not endowed with superpowers. [quote]If you want to reject his miracles, divinity, resurrection - go ahead, I am not arguing about any of that.

Excellent. Because to argue that Jesus had all these miraculous abilities, but could not get out of an execution was a starting point for my pathway to a non-religious personality. I think I was 9 years old by the time I came to that kind of conclusion.


Quote:

But I think it is blustering, ignorant stupidity to simply deny that he even existed, when there is so much written evidence about his existence, from sympathetic and unsympathetic sources.

There is yet to be a single source of evidence to show that Jesus EVER existed in Judea or wherever else you might read about. The story of Jesus is just mythology. Much like that of children and teenagers who revere "Harry Potter" and "Lord of the Rings". You interpret the stories to be taken allegorically. Could you imagine in 1500 years time people considering Bilbo Baggins to be a real person from the 1950s who saved the world from chaos? I feel that you see "Jesus" in much the same way. And that is disheartening.


Quote:

....The stories about Jesus are just not a mythological stories at all, nothing like the stories of Achilles, above, or Hercules or any of the other myths and fables from east or west.

I believe Hercules and Achilles to be mythology. As stated in google searches. Why do you have a problem with my interpretation of Jesus as also mythological? You said that it was up to me to decide for myself. Maybe it is because I live in a secular nation called "Australia" that I have determined that religion is irrelevant to modern thought. If people 2000 years ago went about their way after an execution of a cult leader and there is no writing of riotous behaviour in protest of a particular execution, then it would be reasonable to conclude that the guy did not exist at all. And given that the Romans were still worshipping Roman gods in the 16th century, I could consider that the main reason for the rise in Christianity was due to the foundations of the Americas.


Quote:

I don't know what you are studying at CQU in Rocky but you have no ear or mind to sift basic critical textual analysis or historical evidence.

I did twelve years of formal education. I graduated and went on to do a few different courses at university and TAFE. I have accredited research skills in humanities. I have basic to intermediate skill in computing. Currently, I am doing a work integrated learning program with CQU in an industry that requires workers. People my age are more likely than any other age group to join. Though, I won't tell you where.

Even though my research skills have not been tested in about 20 years, I have enough skill to critically analyse a topic, such as religion to draw surmises and inferences so that I can say "Jesus Christ" did not exist. But, given that my attempt at reading my late grandmother's bible ended in me throwing the book across the room in protest to the insanity of that book, it is difficult for me to be motivated towards writing a detailed analysis of the bible for its credibility.

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John is all that I recall reading of the New Testament. There are smatterings of the bible that I have quickly read and forgotten about. But, beyond that, I have not even bothered to do anything with the bible other than to wipe the dust off and placing that book in the bookshelf in the fiction section.

[/quote]


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/14/what-is-the-historical-evidence-that-jesus-christ-lived-and-died

https://bigthink.com/thinking/was-jesus-real/

Frank, who is the follower of a fantasy death cult based on fictional history, accuses others of following fantasies.

UnSubRocky wrote on May 28^th, 2024 at 11:55am:

Spencer was played brilliantly by Crawford. Crawford was creative with his physicality on the show, and made sure that Frank Spencer's reputation continued to be in the minds of the Baby Boomers right into the 1990s. I will admit, I don't know if you are being sarcastic.

You're struggling to understand that Frank Spenser, the character, is different to Michael Crawford, the actor.

John Smith wrote on May 28^th, 2024 at 2:26pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 28th, 2024 at 11:55am: Spencer was played brilliantly by Crawford. Crawford was creative with his physicality on the show, and made sure that Frank Spencer's reputation continued to be in the minds of the Baby Boomers right into the 1990s. I will admit, I don't know if you are being sarcastic. You're struggling to understand that Frank Spenser, the character, is different to Michael Crawford, the actor.

I do not struggle at all to differentiate between the personalities played by the same person. I struggled to know whether you were being sarcastic in earlier posts.

Is Michael Crawford as Frank Spenser a mythological figure? Or is Frank Spenser a mythological figure impersonated by an invented 'Michael Crawford' who is really Michael Smith - or is he?

Frank wrote on May 28^th, 2024 at 4:09pm:

Is Michael Crawford as Frank Spenser a mythological figure? Or is Frank Spenser a mythological figure impersonated by an invented 'Michael Crawford' who is really Michael Smith - or is he?

Frank Spenser is more real than Jesus Christ

John Smith wrote on May 28^th, 2024 at 4:14pm:

Frank wrote on May 28th, 2024 at 4:09pm: Is Michael Crawford as Frank Spenser a mythological figure? Or is Frank Spenser a mythological figure impersonated by an invented 'Michael Crawford' who is really Michael Smith - or is he? Frank Spenser is more real than Jesus Christ

:D :D :D

Thank you, poo fer.

UnSubRocky wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 5:03pm:

Frank wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 12:10pm: UnSubRocky wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 9:34am: Frank, seek psychological help. You obviously have some brainwashing going on in your life, being so gullible to fall for such bullshit. Children grow out of such beliefs by the time they are teenagers. Adults even push the claim that there is nothing to even suggest that Jesus is nothing more than a mythology tale. What is the bullshit belief I have fallen for here? That you believe that Jesus Christ is real.

Well, Christianity IS the well-spring of Western civilisation, so if you go only by his effect on the world, Jesus was very real : a whole civilisation came from him and his followers and believers.

Frank wrote on May 28^th, 2024 at 6:09pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 5:03pm: Frank wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 12:10pm: UnSubRocky wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 9:34am: Frank, seek psychological help. You obviously have some brainwashing going on in your life, being so gullible to fall for such bullshit. Children grow out of such beliefs by the time they are teenagers. Adults even push the claim that there is nothing to even suggest that Jesus is nothing more than a mythology tale. What is the bullshit belief I have fallen for here? That you believe that Jesus Christ is real. Well, Christianity IS the well-spring of Western civilisation, so if you go only by his effect on the world, Jesus was very real : a whole civilisation came from him and his followers and believers.

t has been said that the universe is made up not of atoms, but of stories. Whether at a podium or over coffee with a friend, in the privacy of our thoughts or at an international summit, we tell stories pretty much all the time. We create ourselves out of the tales we tell—both individually and as a community, in our myths and in our histories. But who crafts the narrative, and with what motives and vested interests?

We deal in fictions. And yet we never stop asking what really happened.

The Avignon-born French theorist René Girard (1923–2015) had a keen ear for stories, and a remarkable way of coaxing the truth from them, the life out of the lies. He saw that conflict is a constant hum beneath human activity, an inevitable consequence of competing desires. When conflict causes crisis, a pattern of self-justification and cover-up follows. The long history of blame began the moment Adam bit the apple.
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We are all persecutors. That is one unpleasant, but practical and productive, takeaway from Girard’s “theory.” We are persecutors who see ourselves as victims. Our competitive and covetous quest for job perks, political clout, sexy bedfellows, or an entrée into an élite clique spreads contagiously through a society and leads us to conflict and ultimately escalation—snubs, sackings, social ostracization, and violence. That imbroglio is still resolved, as it has been since time immemorial, by a scapegoating event that finds a target in someone who cannot or will not retaliate, someone who can plausibly be blamed for the troubles. Girard claims that this scapegoating process is the birth pangs of human culture, and also a page from the diary of our everyday lives.
https://churchlifejournal.nd.edu/articles/we-do-not-come-in-peace/

Frank wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 10:56am:

t has been said that the universe is made up not of atoms, but of stories

no surprise Frank Spenser prefers fantasy over facts ::)

John Smith wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 10:59am:

Frank wrote on May 29th, 2024 at 10:56am: t has been said that the universe is made up not of atoms, but of stories no surprise Frank Spenser prefers fantasy over facts ::)

Frank has spent his life spreading lies from the Israeli Propaganda Bureau. A leopard doesn't change its spots.

Israeli Jews are committing mass murder and genocide.

Israeli Jews use missiles and bombs to murder unarmed, defenseless children and women because they fear combat against Hamas freedom fighters.

Frank, start running. Save yourself from your death cult before its too late.

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Frank wrote on May 28^th, 2024 at 6:09pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 5:03pm: Frank wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 12:10pm: UnSubRocky wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 9:34am: Frank, seek psychological help. You obviously have some brainwashing going on in your life, being so gullible to fall for such bullshit. Children grow out of such beliefs by the time they are teenagers. Adults even push the claim that there is nothing to even suggest that Jesus is nothing more than a mythology tale. What is the bullshit belief I have fallen for here? That you believe that Jesus Christ is real. Well, Christianity IS the well-spring of Western civilisation, so if you go only by his effect on the world, Jesus was very real : a whole civilisation came from him and his followers and believers.

Western civilisation is based on democracy and secularism. Religion does not play a role in the foundation of Western civilisation.

UnSubRocky wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 2:49pm:

Frank wrote on May 28th, 2024 at 6:09pm: UnSubRocky wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 5:03pm: Frank wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 12:10pm: UnSubRocky wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 9:34am: Frank, seek psychological help. You obviously have some brainwashing going on in your life, being so gullible to fall for such bullshit. Children grow out of such beliefs by the time they are teenagers. Adults even push the claim that there is nothing to even suggest that Jesus is nothing more than a mythology tale. What is the bullshit belief I have fallen for here? That you believe that Jesus Christ is real. Well, Christianity IS the well-spring of Western civilisation, so if you go only by his effect on the world, Jesus was very real : a whole civilisation came from him and his followers and believers.  Western civilisation is based on democracy and secularism. Religion does not play a role in the foundation of Western civilisation.

Did they tell you that at uni?

You cannot possibly be serious. Western civilisation did not start with the French revolution in 1789. Or the Russian one in 1917.

Frank wrote on May 30^th, 2024 at 1:40pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 29th, 2024 at 2:49pm: Frank wrote on May 28th, 2024 at 6:09pm: UnSubRocky wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 5:03pm: Frank wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 12:10pm: UnSubRocky wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 9:34am: Frank, seek psychological help. You obviously have some brainwashing going on in your life, being so gullible to fall for such bullshit. Children grow out of such beliefs by the time they are teenagers. Adults even push the claim that there is nothing to even suggest that Jesus is nothing more than a mythology tale. What is the bullshit belief I have fallen for here? That you believe that Jesus Christ is real. Well, Christianity IS the well-spring of Western civilisation, so if you go only by his effect on the world, Jesus was very real : a whole civilisation came from him and his followers and believers.  Western civilisation is based on democracy and secularism. Religion does not play a role in the foundation of Western civilisation. Did they tell you that at uni? You cannot possibly be serious. Western civilisation did not start with the French revolution in 1789. Or the Russian one in 1917.

In the last 70-something years, "The West" includes Western European countries -- the countries that did not side with the Soviet Union. There is a grey area when it comes to labelling Central European countries, as they could go either way.

What is one of the features of Western civilisation? That they separate church and state. You have the right to attend church. You also have the right to not attend church. You also have a right to not have a religion.

There is also the concept of individualism in "The West". Democracy features heavily. That also goes well with diverse political structure. There are usually counterculture movements. And much of these features are heavily criticised or lacking in non-Western civilisations.

I mention the USA as a semi-Western society. They have a democracy -- but it is mainly one or the other (Democrat or Republican). There is a counterculture movement. But, due to the heavily conformist culture of the USA, individuality really comes down to the resolute nature of the person. And given that the USA is basically a religious fundamentalist society, secularism is overlooked -- "In god we trust" they say. The further north you go in the USA, the more likely you would see a more Western culture.

To answer your question, I have books on Western Civilisation. I have read enough on the topic to have the reasoning to question why you would include the church as part of the modern society.