Native title success celebrated by traditional owners in remote WA 27 years after first land claims 8-)

‘No idea what we’re facing’: Alice crime scourge escalating
Despite last year’s intense focus, violence is still on the rise and few locals expect anything to change. CCTV does little to deter the gangs in search of cars to steal – including mine.


By LIAM MENDES

It’s 4am in Alice Springs and a gang of young men in a stolen ute is attempting burnouts in the middle of town.  Two of the occupants are hanging out of the rear windows with scarfs wrapped around their faces, one armed with a baseball bat.  The young driver isn’t having much luck pulling off a burnout but that doesn’t stop him careening wildly through roundabouts and across pavements.

When they notice The Australian taking photographs, they start making gang signs and set off firecrackers.  The police station is just one block away but the cops are nowhere to be seen.

The Australian has reported before on children as young as 10 driving stolen cars through town. But these aren’t kids and there’s an air of menace about them.  The baseball bat is a sign of an unwelcome but increasing trend in crime in the Territory. In the past five years, offences against the person have jumped by 37 per cent; property offences by 53 per cent.  Police have been particular targets of the violence, says NT Police Association president Nathan Finn, with an upsurge in offenders deliberately ramming police cars with stolen vehicles.

“This type of violent, reckless, dangerous offending is escalating, and our members want to know what is being done to ensure their safety,” Mr Finn said.  Yet in the past 10 years, he says, only 20 more police have been employed.

“The NT government has absolutely no idea what our members face day in, day out, and the senior police executive can only operate with the finite resources it has,” Mr Finn said.

Even judges and prosecutors have become victims.  One judge has been the target of multiple burglaries; recently, a local Crown prosecutor packed up and left town after being robbed in daylight on the street near her office.  Houses are attacked with golf clubs, assaults are carried out on joggers. Shopping malls have been left ghostlike. Store owners lock their doors even when they’re open. 

Little more than a year ago, a national spotlight was placed on the town amid fly-in visits from Anthony Albanese and Peter Dutton, but the intense focus was vanishingly brief and the town is again awash in grog.

No one is surprised to hear that Mr Albanese, Indigenous Australians Minister Linda Burney and Opposition Leader Mr Dutton, are all visiting again – and few expect anything to change.  Locals will continue to live in a state of constant hypervigilance.

Many homes are equipped with CCTV and motion-activated lights, but that does little to deter the gangs in search of cars to steal – including mine.  During several months reporting from Alice Springs over the past year, this reporter has sometimes stayed with baker Darren Clark – a fierce advocate for his town since violence and crime exploded following the lapse in intervention-era grog bans.

Last week, I was asleep, along with the other people in Clark’s house, when a group of boys discovered the back door hadn’t properly locked. The boys knew what they were looking for, ignoring my camera equipment and homing in on the car keys.  My rented Nissan X-Trail was gone; so too Clark’s Toyota.

“There’s so many of these young gangs now,” Clark says. “They’re not scared of a camera being on. If they don’t leave a print, they can’t be identified by their faces. They know they can’t be charged.”  For the past few years, Clark has been living in daily fear of burglary and violence. “I’d rather they steal my car, instead of waking up to the kids in my room, which has been happening more and more,” he said.

“The amount of stories I’ve heard where people have had machetes held to their throats and (their keys) being demanded, I’ve always left mine out on the bench in plain sight. You’re always on high alert, when we hear a noise or the dog barks or growls.  “You’re always on edge.”

The tragedy is that it is not only the victims of crime in grave danger. Late last week, local Aboriginal families were plunged into mourning after an 18-year-old youth died when the stolen Toyota HiLux he was riding in rolled and crushed him. It was stolen from a caravan park on the outskirts of town, driven through a boom gate and taken for a joy ride.

On Saturday Detective Senior Sergeant Brendan Lindner said eight youths fled the scene, leaving their friend to die on the footpath. “They showed a callous disregard for their critically injured friend and fled the scene, abandoning the 18-year old who was lying on the road in significant pain and unable to move while against the vehicle, which was billowing smoke following the crash,” Mr Lindner said.  The young man who died was facing two counts of driving and using a vehicle without consent, and had been before the courts on four separate occasions. He was also the father of two-month-old.

A war between families who want “payback” against the driver and those who fled the vehicle has begun. Over the weekend the victim’s family moved out of town.



Celebrate THAT!

Where's Boris when we need him? :-/

I'm sorry to tell you all, but under the current circumstances of war having been declared against Settlement Civilisation here - nothing about 'native title' is settled until the full terms and understandings of it are settled.

Native title is not freehold ownership of land, does not include rights to exclude others or to totally control that land specified, and doesn't even confer the right to build on it or anything similar.

This is a lose/lose for both sides of this question and must be resolved before any possible acceptance by anyone of such decisions goes ahead.

Ergo - there is nothing to celebrate and this title is still up in the air and may well be rejected by a future government, same as all other such 'titles'.

And that's not even touching the surface of this current set of lies being sold to the public, both Black and White and even Idiotic Wog.

Aboriginal people accused of crimes in Alice Springs have increasingly been forced to represent themselves in court following a mass exodus of staff from the country’s largest Indigenous legal service, the North Australian Aboriginal Justice Agency. The departures have sparked renewed calls for more transparency around federal government funding for the embattled organisation.

The Alice Springs local court is like no other. Despite being at the heart of the nation, many defendants cannot speak English, let alone follow the legal intricacies of their cases. Translators can speak most of the different dialects but many of the concepts are foreign.  Judges do their best to explain criminal jargon to defendants by using language that is commonplace to them, such as substituting “charges” for “trouble”.  Children run around the noisy courthouse. Adults yell out. Many defendants are barefoot or simply wear socks. Dozens of people flow in and out every day; overworked lawyers frantically rush from courtroom to courtroom, and to and from the cells.

One Alice Springs lawyer recalled a day at the end of last year when the cells beneath the court were “like Mississippi in the 70s”.  “They were all screaming ‘lawyer, lawyer, lawyer’,” said the lawyer, who confessed to having broken down and cried.  Another lawyer described the cells as a “sea of black”.

“You go to a NSW prison, there’s a pretty big Aboriginal population, it’s very mixed. In the Territory, a non-Indigenous person is a minority, it’s rare,” the lawyer said.

A sign at the registry, which is almost always on display, reads: “Front counter closed today due to staff shortage.”  Those on the ground fear the system is on the brink of collapse, not just because of a severe shortage of permanent staff, but because the Territory’s crime crisis is pushing so many people into the justice system.

One fly-in lawyer from the east coast asked The Australian: “Why would anyone want to live here?”  There’s also a shortage of judges, adding to the pressure on the court system, with some having to be flown in from Darwin.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/this-situation-is-a-travesty-justice-not-served-in-this-territory/news-story/a7354f2d71e5863363d81649fdd02413


Celebrate THAT!
50% of the NT is under native title.

In his first comments since Alice Springs became crippled under a catastrophic legal staffing shortage because of a mass exodus from the North Australian Aboriginal Justice Agency, NT Chief Justice Michael Grant said it was commonplace for Aboriginal defendants who didn’t speak English to represent themselves in court, and they were regularly forced to make “pleas of convenience” just to get off remand.

His comments follow extensive reporting in The Australian about claims of corruption, fraud, bullying and drug use within the NAAJA. Amid these allegations, staff have left the organisation in droves, leaving it chronically short-staffed.

Chief Justice Grant said during his Opening of the Legal Term speech that at the most recent criminal directions hearings conducted in Alice Springs, there were 20 self-represented defendants, nearly all of whom “were remanded in custody and almost all of whom did not speak English as their first language”.

He said these self-represented defendants had not read the briefs filed against them by the prosecution “because the only means of contact was through a generic prison email address, which is entirely inadequate for the purpose of prosecution disclosure”.

“Even had the prosecution briefs been received, the defendants had no ability to properly review – or even read – that material, and no recourse to explanation or advice,” he said.

Chief Justice Grant said Alice Springs was struggling to attract “appropriately employed lawyers” because of several factors, including the “recent spate of negative reporting on social disorder in the town”. The inability to attract good talent was a “relatively recent phen­o­menon”, he said, encouraging those in metropolitan areas to come to central Australia to lend their services and reap the benefits of experience gained.

“Without seeking to understate the significance of difficulties … present in Alice Springs, the same professional satisfactions and advantages of practising in Alice Springs remain,” he said.

“It remains a unique and beautiful place to live – a place of stunning landscapes, a richly diverse community, a vibrant cultural scene. That is the message which as a profession and as a community we should be communicating about the attractions, advantages and satisfactions of legal aid work throughout the Northern Territory, and particularly in Alice Springs.”

NT Bar Association president Mary Chalmers SC told The Australian the mass exodus of NAAJA staff had left Legal Aid NT to cover “a critical lawyer shortage and (it had) had to prioritise certain client groups including children, people in custody for a first court mention, and people facing serious indictable charges”.

“As a result, many First Nations Territorians who do not speak Eng­lish as their first language are appearing unrepresented in the Local Court. This carries a real risk miscarriages of justice have occurred and are occurring,” she said. “It is important to note that the time taken in dealing with unrepresented defendants also creates a drain on scarce court, prosecutorial and police resources at a time when demands on those resources are increasing.”

Hardly a surprise to anyone who has seen a remote community.

Many of the peoples of these communities have a comprehension of modern human civilisation that matches similar remote hunter-gatherer peoples from anywhere else in the world.

In the Amazon regions for example, their respective governments manage this by simply making them no-go areas - no trespasser can expect to be aided by government organisations (e.g. police, army etc) if they find themselves in trouble.

The Indian government has the same policy for the Andaman Islands regions.

At least in the Amazon, the dense jungle makes these regions out-of-sight-out-of-mind. Not so easy in Australia.

What use is a Voice to Parliament if they don't even speak English even after two centuries.

Colonisation hasn't started properly, and never mind it ending too soon.

Frank wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 7:33am:

What use is a Voice to Parliament if they don't even speak English even after two centuries.

The quick answer is that it would have been of no use.

The Voice to Parliament would have only been of use to urbanised Aboriginal peoples who had at least grown up in towns or cities.

The divide between peoples in remote communities and urbanised Aboriginal peoples is almost as great as that between urbanised Aboriginals and non-Aboriginals.

How would it be possible to explain a Voice to Parliament in terms that hunter-gatherer peoples would comprehend?

What is a parliament's equivalent through a hunter-gatherer's cultural lens?

Likely a sit-down of elders to determine courses of action that affect those concerned.

That is, crudely put, what a parliament is.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 7:14am:

Hardly a surprise to anyone who has seen a remote community. Many of the peoples of these communities have a comprehension of modern human civilisation that matches similar remote hunter-gatherer peoples from anywhere else in the world. In the Amazon regions for example, their respective governments manage this by simply making them no-go areas - no trespasser can expect to be aided by government organisations (e.g. police, army etc) if they find themselves in trouble. The Indian government has the same policy for the Andaman Islands regions. At least in the Amazon, the dense jungle makes these regions out-of-sight-out-of-mind. Not so easy in Australia.

I've mentioned to you before that that is not true ... The Andamans & Nicobar Islands rely heavily on tourism.

There is only one island in the whole group that is off limits/excluded to all outsiders ... and that's North Sentinel Island & the Sentilese people that live on it.

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 7:14am: Hardly a surprise to anyone who has seen a remote community. Many of the peoples of these communities have a comprehension of modern human civilisation that matches similar remote hunter-gatherer peoples from anywhere else in the world. In the Amazon regions for example, their respective governments manage this by simply making them no-go areas - no trespasser can expect to be aided by government organisations (e.g. police, army etc) if they find themselves in trouble. The Indian government has the same policy for the Andaman Islands regions. At least in the Amazon, the dense jungle makes these regions out-of-sight-out-of-mind. Not so easy in Australia. I've mentioned to you before that that is not true ... The Andamans & Nicobar Islands rely heavily on tourism. There is only one island in the whole group that is off limits/excluded to all outsiders ... and that's North Sentinel Island & the Sentilese people that live on it.

So my point stands, then.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 7:49am:

Frank wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 7:33am: What use is a Voice to Parliament if they don't even speak English even after two centuries. The quick answer is that it would have been of no use. The Voice to Parliament would have only been of use to urbanised Aboriginal peoples who had at least grown up in towns or cities. The divide between peoples in remote communities and urbanised Aboriginal peoples is almost as great as that between urbanised Aboriginals and non-Aboriginals.

Apart from skin tones what's there to divide them?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:46am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:45am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 7:14am: Hardly a surprise to anyone who has seen a remote community. Many of the peoples of these communities have a comprehension of modern human civilisation that matches similar remote hunter-gatherer peoples from anywhere else in the world. In the Amazon regions for example, their respective governments manage this by simply making them no-go areas - no trespasser can expect to be aided by government organisations (e.g. police, army etc) if they find themselves in trouble. The Indian government has the same policy for the Andaman Islands regions. At least in the Amazon, the dense jungle makes these regions out-of-sight-out-of-mind. Not so easy in Australia. I've mentioned to you before that that is not true ... The Andamans & Nicobar Islands rely heavily on tourism. There is only one island in the whole group that is off limits/excluded to all outsiders ... and that's North Sentinel Island & the Sentilese people that live on it. So my point stands, then.

No ... you inferred that the whole region was off limits.

There are 572 islands in the group - 38 are inhabited - one out of the 38 is off limits.

So 1 out of 572.

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:47am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 7:49am: Frank wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 7:33am: What use is a Voice to Parliament if they don't even speak English even after two centuries. The quick answer is that it would have been of no use. The Voice to Parliament would have only been of use to urbanised Aboriginal peoples who had at least grown up in towns or cities. The divide between peoples in remote communities and urbanised Aboriginal peoples is almost as great as that between urbanised Aboriginals and non-Aboriginals. Apart from skin tones what's there to divide them?

Many still have close ties to Aboriginal communities that may leave them conflicted, but at least comprehend, through descent and first-hand experience of, the divide.

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:50am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:46am: Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:45am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 7:14am: Hardly a surprise to anyone who has seen a remote community. Many of the peoples of these communities have a comprehension of modern human civilisation that matches similar remote hunter-gatherer peoples from anywhere else in the world. In the Amazon regions for example, their respective governments manage this by simply making them no-go areas - no trespasser can expect to be aided by government organisations (e.g. police, army etc) if they find themselves in trouble. The Indian government has the same policy for the Andaman Islands regions. At least in the Amazon, the dense jungle makes these regions out-of-sight-out-of-mind. Not so easy in Australia. I've mentioned to you before that that is not true ... The Andamans & Nicobar Islands rely heavily on tourism. There is only one island in the whole group that is off limits/excluded to all outsiders ... and that's North Sentinel Island & the Sentilese people that live on it. So my point stands, then. No ... you inferred that the whole region was off limits. There are 572 islands in the group - 38 are inhabited - one out of the 38 is off limits. So 1 out of 572.

And why is that one off-limits?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:52am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:50am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:46am: Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:45am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 7:14am: Hardly a surprise to anyone who has seen a remote community. Many of the peoples of these communities have a comprehension of modern human civilisation that matches similar remote hunter-gatherer peoples from anywhere else in the world. In the Amazon regions for example, their respective governments manage this by simply making them no-go areas - no trespasser can expect to be aided by government organisations (e.g. police, army etc) if they find themselves in trouble. The Indian government has the same policy for the Andaman Islands regions. At least in the Amazon, the dense jungle makes these regions out-of-sight-out-of-mind. Not so easy in Australia. I've mentioned to you before that that is not true ... The Andamans & Nicobar Islands rely heavily on tourism. There is only one island in the whole group that is off limits/excluded to all outsiders ... and that's North Sentinel Island & the Sentilese people that live on it. So my point stands, then. No ... you inferred that the whole region was off limits. There are 572 islands in the group - 38 are inhabited - one out of the 38 is off limits. So 1 out of 572. And why is that one off-limits?

You know why & I know why ....

don't deflect that you did not infer that the whole region was off limits.

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:56am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:52am: Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:50am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:46am: Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:45am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 7:14am: Hardly a surprise to anyone who has seen a remote community. Many of the peoples of these communities have a comprehension of modern human civilisation that matches similar remote hunter-gatherer peoples from anywhere else in the world. In the Amazon regions for example, their respective governments manage this by simply making them no-go areas - no trespasser can expect to be aided by government organisations (e.g. police, army etc) if they find themselves in trouble. The Indian government has the same policy for the Andaman Islands regions. At least in the Amazon, the dense jungle makes these regions out-of-sight-out-of-mind. Not so easy in Australia. I've mentioned to you before that that is not true ... The Andamans & Nicobar Islands rely heavily on tourism. There is only one island in the whole group that is off limits/excluded to all outsiders ... and that's North Sentinel Island & the Sentilese people that live on it. So my point stands, then. No ... you inferred that the whole region was off limits. There are 572 islands in the group - 38 are inhabited - one out of the 38 is off limits. So 1 out of 572. And why is that one off-limits? You know why & I know why .... don't deflect that you did not infer that the whole region was off limits.

I did not infer that the whole region was off-limits, I stated it.

You have corrected that.

Why is that one island off-limits?

Why are we even discussing what those who are but one step from the trees are doing with islands?

Native Title does not confer Freehold Ownership.... what these people need is limited freehold ownership of some real land of their own, then the same access to open range as everyone else, protection of GENUINE historical sites etc, and no more of this window dressing cunningly designed to create problems over and over for everybody.

We want the win-win - not the perpetual lose-lose that governments install as a matter of policy, and one day someone will come along and void 'native title' as outdated and outworn.... and opposition to NT is growing in the community and the time is drawing closer for an over-riding, despotic government to IMPOSE 'solutions' on all the bullshit problems the current Weimar Republicans are creating for us all with their bumbling ineptitude and delusions of great cunning they think they are bringing to the table.... and that includes Pipsqueak Voldemort and Co... all the same under the skin.

Poor Fellow - My Country.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:59am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:56am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:52am: Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:50am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:46am: Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:45am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 7:14am: Hardly a surprise to anyone who has seen a remote community. Many of the peoples of these communities have a comprehension of modern human civilisation that matches similar remote hunter-gatherer peoples from anywhere else in the world. In the Amazon regions for example, their respective governments manage this by simply making them no-go areas - no trespasser can expect to be aided by government organisations (e.g. police, army etc) if they find themselves in trouble. The Indian government has the same policy for the Andaman Islands regions. At least in the Amazon, the dense jungle makes these regions out-of-sight-out-of-mind. Not so easy in Australia. I've mentioned to you before that that is not true ... The Andamans & Nicobar Islands rely heavily on tourism. There is only one island in the whole group that is off limits/excluded to all outsiders ... and that's North Sentinel Island & the Sentilese people that live on it. So my point stands, then. No ... you inferred that the whole region was off limits. There are 572 islands in the group - 38 are inhabited - one out of the 38 is off limits. So 1 out of 572. And why is that one off-limits? You know why & I know why .... don't deflect that you did not infer that the whole region was off limits. I did not infer that the whole region was off-limits, I stated it. You have corrected that. Why is that one island off-limits?

Look it up .... I did. ::)

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 9:22am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:59am: Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:56am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:52am: Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:50am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:46am: Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:45am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 7:14am: Hardly a surprise to anyone who has seen a remote community. Many of the peoples of these communities have a comprehension of modern human civilisation that matches similar remote hunter-gatherer peoples from anywhere else in the world. In the Amazon regions for example, their respective governments manage this by simply making them no-go areas - no trespasser can expect to be aided by government organisations (e.g. police, army etc) if they find themselves in trouble. The Indian government has the same policy for the Andaman Islands regions. At least in the Amazon, the dense jungle makes these regions out-of-sight-out-of-mind. Not so easy in Australia. I've mentioned to you before that that is not true ... The Andamans & Nicobar Islands rely heavily on tourism. There is only one island in the whole group that is off limits/excluded to all outsiders ... and that's North Sentinel Island & the Sentilese people that live on it. So my point stands, then. No ... you inferred that the whole region was off limits. There are 572 islands in the group - 38 are inhabited - one out of the 38 is off limits. So 1 out of 572. And why is that one off-limits? You know why & I know why .... don't deflect that you did not infer that the whole region was off limits. I did not infer that the whole region was off-limits, I stated it. You have corrected that. Why is that one island off-limits? Look it up .... I did. ::)

So my point stands, then.

As you've looked it up you'll know that in 2018, the Government of India excluded 29 islands – including North Sentinel – from the Restricted Area Permit (RAP) regime...

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 9:28am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 9:22am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:59am: Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:56am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:52am: Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:50am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:46am: Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:45am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 7:14am: Hardly a surprise to anyone who has seen a remote community. Many of the peoples of these communities have a comprehension of modern human civilisation that matches similar remote hunter-gatherer peoples from anywhere else in the world. In the Amazon regions for example, their respective governments manage this by simply making them no-go areas - no trespasser can expect to be aided by government organisations (e.g. police, army etc) if they find themselves in trouble. The Indian government has the same policy for the Andaman Islands regions. At least in the Amazon, the dense jungle makes these regions out-of-sight-out-of-mind. Not so easy in Australia. I've mentioned to you before that that is not true ... The Andamans & Nicobar Islands rely heavily on tourism. There is only one island in the whole group that is off limits/excluded to all outsiders ... and that's North Sentinel Island & the Sentilese people that live on it. So my point stands, then. No ... you inferred that the whole region was off limits. There are 572 islands in the group - 38 are inhabited - one out of the 38 is off limits. So 1 out of 572. And why is that one off-limits? You know why & I know why .... don't deflect that you did not infer that the whole region was off limits. I did not infer that the whole region was off-limits, I stated it. You have corrected that. Why is that one island off-limits? Look it up .... I did. ::) So my point stands, then. As you've looked it up you'll know that in 2018, the Government of India excluded 29 islands – including North Sentinel – from the Restricted Area Permit (RAP) regime...

Keep reading ... thats been amended ... Nth Sentinel is the only "no go" island because  the people there are Indigenous & hostile to all outsiders..... and the Govt doesn't want to interfere in their isolated existence or risk bringing in disease.

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 9:37am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 9:28am: Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 9:22am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:59am: Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:56am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:52am: Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:50am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:46am: Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:45am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 7:14am: Hardly a surprise to anyone who has seen a remote community. Many of the peoples of these communities have a comprehension of modern human civilisation that matches similar remote hunter-gatherer peoples from anywhere else in the world. In the Amazon regions for example, their respective governments manage this by simply making them no-go areas - no trespasser can expect to be aided by government organisations (e.g. police, army etc) if they find themselves in trouble. The Indian government has the same policy for the Andaman Islands regions. At least in the Amazon, the dense jungle makes these regions out-of-sight-out-of-mind. Not so easy in Australia. I've mentioned to you before that that is not true ... The Andamans & Nicobar Islands rely heavily on tourism. There is only one island in the whole group that is off limits/excluded to all outsiders ... and that's North Sentinel Island & the Sentilese people that live on it. So my point stands, then. No ... you inferred that the whole region was off limits. There are 572 islands in the group - 38 are inhabited - one out of the 38 is off limits. So 1 out of 572. And why is that one off-limits? You know why & I know why .... don't deflect that you did not infer that the whole region was off limits. I did not infer that the whole region was off-limits, I stated it. You have corrected that. Why is that one island off-limits? Look it up .... I did. ::) So my point stands, then. As you've looked it up you'll know that in 2018, the Government of India excluded 29 islands – including North Sentinel – from the Restricted Area Permit (RAP) regime... Keep reading ... thats been amended ... Nth Sentinel is the only "no go" island because  the people there are Indigenous & hostile to all outsiders..... and the Govt doesn't want to interfere in their isolated existence or risk bringing in disease.

Yes, and being an island, it's relatively easy to enforce.

In the Amazon region, being dense jungle, the same is true.

In Australia, it's much more of a challenge to restrict an area to prevent trespassing.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 9:47am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 9:37am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 9:28am: Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 9:22am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:59am: Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:56am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:52am: Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:50am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:46am: Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:45am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 7:14am: Hardly a surprise to anyone who has seen a remote community. Many of the peoples of these communities have a comprehension of modern human civilisation that matches similar remote hunter-gatherer peoples from anywhere else in the world. In the Amazon regions for example, their respective governments manage this by simply making them no-go areas - no trespasser can expect to be aided by government organisations (e.g. police, army etc) if they find themselves in trouble. The Indian government has the same policy for the Andaman Islands regions. At least in the Amazon, the dense jungle makes these regions out-of-sight-out-of-mind. Not so easy in Australia. I've mentioned to you before that that is not true ... The Andamans & Nicobar Islands rely heavily on tourism. There is only one island in the whole group that is off limits/excluded to all outsiders ... and that's North Sentinel Island & the Sentilese people that live on it. So my point stands, then. No ... you inferred that the whole region was off limits. There are 572 islands in the group - 38 are inhabited - one out of the 38 is off limits. So 1 out of 572. And why is that one off-limits? You know why & I know why .... don't deflect that you did not infer that the whole region was off limits. I did not infer that the whole region was off-limits, I stated it. You have corrected that. Why is that one island off-limits? Look it up .... I did. ::) So my point stands, then. As you've looked it up you'll know that in 2018, the Government of India excluded 29 islands – including North Sentinel – from the Restricted Area Permit (RAP) regime... Keep reading ... thats been amended ... Nth Sentinel is the only "no go" island because  the people there are Indigenous & hostile to all outsiders..... and the Govt doesn't want to interfere in their isolated existence or risk bringing in disease. Yes, and being an island, it's relatively easy to enforce. In the Amazon region, being dense jungle, the same is true. In Australia, it's much more of a challenge to restrict an area to prevent trespassing.

There's still plenty of country now effectively locked up & whitey aint allowed on it.

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 10:01am:

Quote: Yes, and being an island, it's relatively easy to enforce. In the Amazon region, being dense jungle, the same is true. In Australia, it's much more of a challenge to restrict an area to prevent trespassing. There's still plenty of country now effectively locked up & whitey aint allowed on it.

Yes, and most of it is relatively easy to drive to and through.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 10:03am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 10:01am: Quote: Yes, and being an island, it's relatively easy to enforce. In the Amazon region, being dense jungle, the same is true. In Australia, it's much more of a challenge to restrict an area to prevent trespassing. There's still plenty of country now effectively locked up & whitey aint allowed on it. Yes, and most of it is relatively easy to drive to and through.

What's the point of that?

Through to what?

Gnads wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 11:50am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 10:03am: Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 10:01am: Quote: Yes, and being an island, it's relatively easy to enforce. In the Amazon region, being dense jungle, the same is true. In Australia, it's much more of a challenge to restrict an area to prevent trespassing. There's still plenty of country now effectively locked up & whitey aint allowed on it. Yes, and most of it is relatively easy to drive to and through. What's the point of that? Through to what?

Unlike the one Andaman Island, being easy to enforce entry restrictions by navy patrol, and restricted regions of the Amazon, being covered by dense jungle with no land access, most restricted Aboriginal land is, by comparison, easy to reach and enter by land.

What's this about locking land up and refusing whitey access?  That applies only to the despised 'reservations' that the Aborigines themselves reject... not to 'native title' which permits free use and traditional pursuits - but does NOT confer the right or privilege of locking up land and preventing entry.

I'd love to be around when the current false representations of this are made evident and all native title is abolished as unusable.  Best to give them a chunk that is freehold NOW and leave it at that - they can still wander about and real historical sites can be protected, while the Open Range principle continues to apply...

This country is digging itself a hole which some despotic ruler/party will use to take it over... and you dorks all imagine this kind of insanity is all fine and dandy....

P.S.  I notice Plebeian Sex is positioning for the top spot in Labor, becoming the spokesperson for alphabet 'rights' as well...  poor buggars - every effort is taken and made to enforce the failing doctrine of 'early intervention' and 'gender affirmation' - falling apart in the rest of the First World apart from US/Canada and Australia- but don't you try to persuade any alphabet to change his/her mind away from trannyism!  That's oppressive...

Amazing - now those who use masses of artificial drugs in an attempt to change the entire body structure, and even cut and chop to build some absurd non-functional replica of a functioning organ group are the heroes.... those who oppose are the villains.... the Drs Mengele and Frankenstein are the heroes....  Jonathan Harker is the villain...

Someone said recently that soon this transgender insanity will become the greatest medical scandal of all time... let us be sure that the perpetrators are all punished.

I've often wondered why Churchill, after Hitler issued his war crime 'Commando Order' that all such would be executed - did not say - "Do that and we WILL hunt every one of you who followed this 'order' down and do the same to you - that's a promise!"

Same should apply to all those facilitators of this madness... the modern day counterparts of the concentration camp experimental doctors etc..... 

"Iff ve giff zis voman a heap off male drugs, und cut off her boobies, and slice out her vomb and gunt - and add in ze equifalent off a man's dingle-dongle - vill zhe begome ein Herr???"

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14^th, 2024 at 8:51am:

Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 8:47am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 7:49am: Frank wrote on Mar 14th, 2024 at 7:33am: What use is a Voice to Parliament if they don't even speak English even after two centuries. The quick answer is that it would have been of no use. The Voice to Parliament would have only been of use to urbanised Aboriginal peoples who had at least grown up in towns or cities. The divide between peoples in remote communities and urbanised Aboriginal peoples is almost as great as that between urbanised Aboriginals and non-Aboriginals. Apart from skin tones what's there to divide them? Many still have close ties to Aboriginal communities that may leave them conflicted, but at least comprehend, through descent and first-hand experience of, the divide.

More don't. A 25 % increase in population in 14 years stands testament to that.

Jasin wrote on Mar 12^th, 2024 at 3:48pm:

Where's Boris when we need him? :-/

He is probably reading some alt rightwing websites that discuss the culinary art of cooking babies

A nation divided into countless small fiefdoms that do and achieve nothing cannot stand....

Stop this madness NOW!  Give 'em each a freehold plot - do with it as they will - but that's it - the rest remains Open Range for all to use until properly tied up according to the rules of freehold...meaning you want - you buy!!

This barbed wire fencing off of the Heeghlandt, ejection of the crofters, and giving it to the lairds as their private kingdoms has to cease now....

People's Rights Forever!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faMZeh_vmVU