Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Far North Queensland, say researchers 8-)

They stole it.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 10^th, 2024 at 1:44pm:

Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Far North Queensland, say researchers 8-)

How did I know you'd post this you clutcher of straws.

The next bit of the BS.

Wherever the pottery came from it wasn't Aboriginals.

And not out there on Lizard Island. It's 30klm off the coast.

If there was a time when Australias first inhabitants made pottery the questions need to be asked ...

1. When did they make pottery?

2. why has it only been found on an island 30 klm off the coast?

3. why did they not make it on the mainland & why is there no evidence it was ever made on the mainland?

It's total bullshyte to suggest this was anything to do with Hunter Gatherer Aboriginal Australia.

Or whatever you want to call the continent when this pottery may have been made.

It may have been made by Melanesians but it was never made by Australian Aboriginals only on a tiny island 30 klm off the coast.

Otherwise it would have been found all over Cape York & the rest of the continent.

It's just more woke bullshyte.

Gnads wrote on Apr 10^th, 2024 at 5:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 1:44pm: Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Far North Queensland, say researchers 8-) How did I know you'd post this you clutcher of straws. The next bit of the BS. Wherever the pottery came from it wasn't Aboriginals. And not out there on Lizard Island. It's 30klm off the coast. If there was a time when Australias first inhabitants made pottery the questions need to be asked ... 1. When did they make pottery? 2. why has it only been found on an island 30 klm off the coast? 3. why did they not make it on the mainland & why is there no evidence it was ever made on the mainland? It's total bullshyte to suggest this was anything to do with Hunter Gatherer Aboriginal Australia. Or whatever you want to call the continent when this pottery may have been made. It may have been made by Melanesians but it was never made by Australian Aboriginals only on a tiny island 30 klm off the coast. Otherwise it would have been found all over Cape York & the rest of the continent. It's just more woke bullshyte.

There were questions about why Aboriginal people would use pottery in the first place.

"You need pottery to store things. You need pottery to cook [...] Aboriginal people all along that Cape York Peninsula coastline had no need to make pottery because they had big baler shells and big clam shells, which serve exactly the same purpose," Professor Wallis said.   

"If you chip away the outside of the shell, you can simply reach your hand in and there's already a ready-made handle in there."

"It'd be great to hear [the paper's authors] speak about why they think Aboriginal peoples suddenly did this for this short blip of time, and then stopped."
(from the ABC article in the OP)


Obviously not pottery made by Aborigines.

Gnads wrote on Apr 10^th, 2024 at 5:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 1:44pm: Oldest Aboriginal pottery discovered in Far North Queensland, say researchers 8-) How did I know you'd post this you clutcher of straws. The next bit of the BS. Wherever the pottery came from it wasn't Aboriginals. And not out there on Lizard Island. It's 30klm off the coast. If there was a time when Australias first inhabitants made pottery the questions need to be asked ... 1. When did they make pottery? 2. why has it only been found on an island 30 klm off the coast? 3. why did they not make it on the mainland & why is there no evidence it was ever made on the mainland? It's total bullshyte to suggest this was anything to do with Hunter Gatherer Aboriginal Australia. Or whatever you want to call the continent when this pottery may have been made. It may have been made by Melanesians but it was never made by Australian Aboriginals only on a tiny island 30 klm off the coast. Otherwise it would have been found all over Cape York & the rest of the continent. It's just more woke bullshyte.

There were questions about why Aboriginal people would use pottery in the first place.

"You need pottery to store things. You need pottery to cook [...] Aboriginal people all along that Cape York Peninsula coastline had no need to make pottery because they had big baler shells and big clam shells, which serve exactly the same purpose," Professor Wallis said.   

"If you chip away the outside of the shell, you can simply reach your hand in and there's already a ready-made handle in there."

"It'd be great to hear [the paper's authors] speak about why they think Aboriginal peoples suddenly did this for this short blip of time, and then stopped."
(from the ABC article in the OP)


Obviously not pottery made by Aborigines.

This seems like another desperate attempt to claim aboriginals possessed skills they clearly did not. I will concede that some few aboriginals may have attempted to copy pottery made by these more sophisticated seafaring Lapita people, but were unable to do so successfully.   

Belgarion wrote on Apr 11^th, 2024 at 10:40am:

This seems like another desperate attempt to claim aboriginals possessed skills they clearly did not.

Hang on, didn't you know that aboriginals were the most innovative and technologically advanced people ever?  You can see this in their tools which are so amazingly unique and their one musical instrument is so sophisticated it could rival the finest Stradivarius. This is all thanks to their superior intelligence and know how.   And their knowledge and understanding of science and medicine knew no bounds - they could cure anything with some tea tree oil. 

There is nothing they couldn't do.  Everything we have today we can thank the aboriginals for - they were the first agriculturalists, the first bakers, the first house builders, the first astronomers, the first chemists ...

And you are questioning whether they made some pottery?  Hell, they even invented the pottery kiln.   ::)

Aquarius wrote on Apr 11^th, 2024 at 11:18am:

Belgarion wrote on Apr 11th, 2024 at 10:40am: This seems like another desperate attempt to claim aboriginals possessed skills they clearly did not.   Hang on, didn't you know that aboriginals were the most innovative and technologically advanced people ever?  You can see this in their tools which are so amazingly unique and their one musical instrument is so sophisticated it could rival the finest Stradivarius. This is all thanks to their superior intelligence and know how.   And their knowledge and understanding of science and medicine knew no bounds - they could cure anything with some tea tree oil.  There is nothing they couldn't do.  Everything we have today we can thank the aboriginals for - they were the first agriculturalists, the first bakers, the first house builders, the first astronomers, the first chemists ... And you are questioning whether they made some pottery?  Hell, they even invented the pottery kiln.   ::)

;D ;D ;D RAOFL

so what ?

Hear me, O Critias..... that once lived a kingdom of gods.... beyond the pillars of Cairns....

(for those not steeped in the classics, that's the sort of beginning of the monologue about Atlantis....)

The whole OP is bullshyte ... the pottery is not Aboriginal Australian.

it belongs to -
Quote:

Neolithic Austronesian people and their distinct material culture, who settled Island Melanesia via a seaborne migration at around 1600 to 500 BCE.

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Lapita people are believed to have originated from the northern Philippines, either directly, via the Mariana Islands, or both.[3] They were notable for their distinctive geometric designs on dentate-stamped pottery, which closely resemble the pottery recovered from the Nagsabaran archaeological site in northern Luzon. The Lapita intermarried with the Papuan populations to various degrees, and are the direct ancestors of the Austronesian peoples of Polynesia, eastern Micronesia, and Island Melanesia.

Failed again Bwyan.

It's just hilarious how butt hurt the bigots on here get whenever it's suggested that Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander people did anything other than what they were taught in school .... way back last century.

Furious. They become furious.

It's deeply funny.

The Coolgardie Safe, which used capillary action and evaporative cooling to keep food from spoiling, was the ‘household fridge’ of Australia from the 1890s until the mid-twentieth century. It is thought to have been partly inspired by watching Aboriginal people carry water in special bags made of wallaby skin, which used the same principles of heat transfer to keep the water cool.

Hunter-gatherer peoples must carry all they need for survival.

Why would they waste time and energy making an artefact that would expend more energy in production, safeguarding and transporting than it would save?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 9:53am:

Hunter-gatherer peoples must carry all they need for survival. Why would they waste time and energy making an artefact that would expend more energy in production, safeguarding and transporting than it would save?

Because they weren't solely hunter gatherers.


Oh that's going to make them well cross.

Farming was innovated in the Middle-East
(although Papua has a new Guinea innovated it thousands of years before that, but wasn't reliant upon it)
because that place was a barren wasteland so to speak - so how else would they get bountiful 'food'? Even Hunter-Gathering would have been very 'poor' productivity.

So Farming then innovated 'Military' as Humans needed to now 'raid' other tribe harvests and crops, if theirs failed.
From the Raiding came Religion - because they had to make up stories to soften the blow (to the head) for the little children who didn't understand the need for all the killing.

The Middle-East became the first region to implement Humans preying upon Humans in a survival sense and they called this 'Civilisation'.  ::)

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 9:56am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 9:53am: Hunter-gatherer peoples must carry all they need for survival. Why would they waste time and energy making an artefact that would expend more energy in production, safeguarding and transporting than it would save? Because they weren't solely hunter gatherers. Oh that's going to make them well cross.

Weren't they?

And who is the 'they' you speak of? Another reference to monolithic Aboriginal culture that infests the Australian psyche - as if Australian Aboriginal peoples thought of themselves as the Australian Aboriginal people.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:13am:

mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 9:56am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 9:53am: Hunter-gatherer peoples must carry all they need for survival. Why would they waste time and energy making an artefact that would expend more energy in production, safeguarding and transporting than it would save? Because they weren't solely hunter gatherers. Oh that's going to make them well cross. Weren't they? And who is the 'they' you speak of? Another reference to monolithic Aboriginal culture that infests the Australian psyche - as if Australian Aboriginal peoples thought of themselves as the Australian Aboriginal people.

They the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders or they the bigots?

I'm unsure of which group you;re trying to be a smartarse about.

It doesn't really matter. Both are easily defended on here, from your perspective.

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:22am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:13am: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 9:56am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 9:53am: Hunter-gatherer peoples must carry all they need for survival. Why would they waste time and energy making an artefact that would expend more energy in production, safeguarding and transporting than it would save? Because they weren't solely hunter gatherers. Oh that's going to make them well cross. Weren't they? And who is the 'they' you speak of? Another reference to monolithic Aboriginal culture that infests the Australian psyche - as if Australian Aboriginal peoples thought of themselves as the Australian Aboriginal people. They the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders or they the bigots? I'm unsure of which group you;re trying to be a smartarse about. It doesn't really matter. Both are easily defended on here, from your perspective.

More drivel out of half-arsed education that has been poured like sewerage into Australians for over 150 years.

Even on islands relatively tiny to Australia, the Maori did not see themselves as the 'Maori People' (the word 'Maori' being only used since the late 18th century to differentiate 'normal' people from British explorers), but by their tribal/clan subcultural identities.

When you're referring to, say, Greeks, would you refer to them as the European people?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:32am:

mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:22am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:13am: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 9:56am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 9:53am: Hunter-gatherer peoples must carry all they need for survival. Why would they waste time and energy making an artefact that would expend more energy in production, safeguarding and transporting than it would save? Because they weren't solely hunter gatherers. Oh that's going to make them well cross. Weren't they? And who is the 'they' you speak of? Another reference to monolithic Aboriginal culture that infests the Australian psyche - as if Australian Aboriginal peoples thought of themselves as the Australian Aboriginal people. They the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders or they the bigots? I'm unsure of which group you;re trying to be a smartarse about. It doesn't really matter. Both are easily defended on here, from your perspective. More drivel out of half-arsed education that has been poured like sewerage into Australians for over 150 years. Even on islands relatively tiny to Australia, the Maori did not see themselves as the 'Maori People' (the word 'Maori' being only used since the late 18th century to differentiate 'normal' people from British explorers), but by their tribal/clan subcultural identities. When you're referring to, say, Greeks, would you refer to them as the European people?

Oh my god! How insightful of you! You're telling us all that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders aren't a homogeneous blob?

Serious?

You should have, like a street named after you or something. I'm certain nobody has ever thought that before.

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:37am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:32am: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:22am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:13am: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 9:56am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 9:53am: Hunter-gatherer peoples must carry all they need for survival. Why would they waste time and energy making an artefact that would expend more energy in production, safeguarding and transporting than it would save? Because they weren't solely hunter gatherers. Oh that's going to make them well cross. Weren't they? And who is the 'they' you speak of? Another reference to monolithic Aboriginal culture that infests the Australian psyche - as if Australian Aboriginal peoples thought of themselves as the Australian Aboriginal people. They the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders or they the bigots? I'm unsure of which group you;re trying to be a smartarse about. It doesn't really matter. Both are easily defended on here, from your perspective. More drivel out of half-arsed education that has been poured like sewerage into Australians for over 150 years. Even on islands relatively tiny to Australia, the Maori did not see themselves as the 'Maori People' (the word 'Maori' being only used since the late 18th century to differentiate 'normal' people from British explorers), but by their tribal/clan subcultural identities. When you're referring to, say, Greeks, would you refer to them as the European people? Oh my god! How insightful of you! You're telling us all that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders aren't a homogeneous blob? Serious? You should have, like a street named after you or something. I'm certain nobody has ever thought that before.

Yes. When it comes to comprehending Australian Aboriginal peoples as distinct peoples, Australians have been fed dumb cuntery for over a century and a half.

Even the crypto-colonising Americans realised early that all native Americans were not the same and native American cultures were, well, not monolithic.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:42am:

mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:37am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:32am: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:22am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:13am: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 9:56am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 9:53am: Hunter-gatherer peoples must carry all they need for survival. Why would they waste time and energy making an artefact that would expend more energy in production, safeguarding and transporting than it would save? Because they weren't solely hunter gatherers. Oh that's going to make them well cross. Weren't they? And who is the 'they' you speak of? Another reference to monolithic Aboriginal culture that infests the Australian psyche - as if Australian Aboriginal peoples thought of themselves as the Australian Aboriginal people. They the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders or they the bigots? I'm unsure of which group you;re trying to be a smartarse about. It doesn't really matter. Both are easily defended on here, from your perspective. More drivel out of half-arsed education that has been poured like sewerage into Australians for over 150 years. Even on islands relatively tiny to Australia, the Maori did not see themselves as the 'Maori People' (the word 'Maori' being only used since the late 18th century to differentiate 'normal' people from British explorers), but by their tribal/clan subcultural identities. When you're referring to, say, Greeks, would you refer to them as the European people? Oh my god! How insightful of you! You're telling us all that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders aren't a homogeneous blob? Serious? You should have, like a street named after you or something. I'm certain nobody has ever thought that before. Yes. When it comes to comprehending Australian Aboriginal peoples as distinct peoples, Australians have been fed dumb cuntery for over a century and a half. Even the crypto-colonising Americans realised early that all native Americans were not the same and native American cultures were, well, not monolithic.

I think you'll find that younger gnerations than you have had the benefit of a more rounded education.

And it all brings me back to my original point ,,, the folk on here lose their ever loving minds when it's suggested that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders are found to have existed in ways contrary to their previous centuries education.

Thread after thread on it.

And it's me you challenge.

Typical.

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:50am:

I think you'll find that younger gnerations than you have had the benefit of a more rounded education.

Oh really??!!

And the 'One Voice to speak for them all', which was generally enthusiastically embraced by Millenials and Zoomers?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:42am:

mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:37am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:32am: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:22am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:13am: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 9:56am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 9:53am: Hunter-gatherer peoples must carry all they need for survival. Why would they waste time and energy making an artefact that would expend more energy in production, safeguarding and transporting than it would save? Because they weren't solely hunter gatherers. Oh that's going to make them well cross. Weren't they? And who is the 'they' you speak of? Another reference to monolithic Aboriginal culture that infests the Australian psyche - as if Australian Aboriginal peoples thought of themselves as the Australian Aboriginal people. They the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders or they the bigots? I'm unsure of which group you;re trying to be a smartarse about. It doesn't really matter. Both are easily defended on here, from your perspective. More drivel out of half-arsed education that has been poured like sewerage into Australians for over 150 years. Even on islands relatively tiny to Australia, the Maori did not see themselves as the 'Maori People' (the word 'Maori' being only used since the late 18th century to differentiate 'normal' people from British explorers), but by their tribal/clan subcultural identities. When you're referring to, say, Greeks, would you refer to them as the European people? Oh my god! How insightful of you! You're telling us all that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders aren't a homogeneous blob? Serious? You should have, like a street named after you or something. I'm certain nobody has ever thought that before. Yes. When it comes to comprehending Australian Aboriginal peoples as distinct peoples, Australians have been fed dumb cuntery for over a century and a half. Even the crypto-colonising Americans realised early that all native Americans were not the same and native American cultures were, well, not monolithic.

good point meister

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:50am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:42am: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:37am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:32am: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:22am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:13am: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 9:56am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 9:53am: Hunter-gatherer peoples must carry all they need for survival. Why would they waste time and energy making an artefact that would expend more energy in production, safeguarding and transporting than it would save? Because they weren't solely hunter gatherers. Oh that's going to make them well cross. Weren't they? And who is the 'they' you speak of? Another reference to monolithic Aboriginal culture that infests the Australian psyche - as if Australian Aboriginal peoples thought of themselves as the Australian Aboriginal people. They the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders or they the bigots? I'm unsure of which group you;re trying to be a smartarse about. It doesn't really matter. Both are easily defended on here, from your perspective. More drivel out of half-arsed education that has been poured like sewerage into Australians for over 150 years. Even on islands relatively tiny to Australia, the Maori did not see themselves as the 'Maori People' (the word 'Maori' being only used since the late 18th century to differentiate 'normal' people from British explorers), but by their tribal/clan subcultural identities. When you're referring to, say, Greeks, would you refer to them as the European people? Oh my god! How insightful of you! You're telling us all that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders aren't a homogeneous blob? Serious? You should have, like a street named after you or something. I'm certain nobody has ever thought that before. Yes. When it comes to comprehending Australian Aboriginal peoples as distinct peoples, Australians have been fed dumb cuntery for over a century and a half. Even the crypto-colonising Americans realised early that all native Americans were not the same and native American cultures were, well, not monolithic. I think you'll find that younger gnerations than you have had the benefit of a more rounded education. And it all brings me back to my original point ,,, the folk on here lose their ever loving minds when it's suggested that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders are found to have existed in ways contrary to their previous centuries education. Thread after thread on it. And it's me you challenge. Typical.

bullshit

most young people educated by moronic leftie feminists with purple hair wouldnt know an aborigine if they tripped over one

and would last 15 minutes in arukun  ::) ::)

Fish traps - a few seeds reaped while passing through..... no pottery..... no stone houses and cities of gold... Hear me, O Critias.... that once was a Land of Gods.....

I'd say they haven't changed much - you know what's interesting about the Aborigines?  when they went to war with one another over that water hole... they killed everybody.... men, women and children..... they didn't even keep the breeding stock to replenish their own tribal numbers .... you see - the environment on which they had such little impact - no more than a passing mob of kangaroos - simply couldn't sustain tribal groups that large apart from a very few excellent spots ... and they ad no need to absorb the women, so they knocked them on the head like the kids.

With their massive child and adult mortality rates they knew even then that large numbers were unsustainable in that rough environment.  EVERY other 'civilisation' captured and took women for breeding purposes..... the Romans and the Sabine women.... Arab tribes and Jewish women.... Hebrews and local lasses....  EVERYONE kept the breeding stock except the Aborigines - who killed them off.

Desperate lifestyles do not encourage agriculture, aquaculture or pottery ....

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:55am:

mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:50am: I think you'll find that younger gnerations than you have had the benefit of a more rounded education. Oh really??!! And the 'One Voice to speak for them all', which was generally enthusiastically embraced by Millenials and Zoomers?

South Australian Aborigines loved the idea........... they're apparently still making their leisurely way to the polling booths...

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:42am:

mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:37am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:32am: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:22am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:13am: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 9:56am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 9:53am: Hunter-gatherer peoples must carry all they need for survival. Why would they waste time and energy making an artefact that would expend more energy in production, safeguarding and transporting than it would save? Because they weren't solely hunter gatherers. Oh that's going to make them well cross. Weren't they? And who is the 'they' you speak of? Another reference to monolithic Aboriginal culture that infests the Australian psyche - as if Australian Aboriginal peoples thought of themselves as the Australian Aboriginal people. They the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders or they the bigots? I'm unsure of which group you;re trying to be a smartarse about. It doesn't really matter. Both are easily defended on here, from your perspective. More drivel out of half-arsed education that has been poured like sewerage into Australians for over 150 years. Even on islands relatively tiny to Australia, the Maori did not see themselves as the 'Maori People' (the word 'Maori' being only used since the late 18th century to differentiate 'normal' people from British explorers), but by their tribal/clan subcultural identities. When you're referring to, say, Greeks, would you refer to them as the European people? Oh my god! How insightful of you! You're telling us all that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders aren't a homogeneous blob? Serious? You should have, like a street named after you or something. I'm certain nobody has ever thought that before. Yes. When it comes to comprehending Australian Aboriginal peoples as distinct peoples, Australians have been fed dumb cuntery for over a century and a half. Even the crypto-colonising Americans realised early that all native Americans were not the same and native American cultures were, well, not monolithic.

I doubt that - I'm certain they could see any differences..... maybe not all differences, but clearly different groups were different.... jeez - some were even peaceful.... didn't murder women and children even their own kind...

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 2:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:42am: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:37am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:32am: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:22am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:13am: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 9:56am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 9:53am: Hunter-gatherer peoples must carry all they need for survival. Why would they waste time and energy making an artefact that would expend more energy in production, safeguarding and transporting than it would save? Because they weren't solely hunter gatherers. Oh that's going to make them well cross. Weren't they? And who is the 'they' you speak of? Another reference to monolithic Aboriginal culture that infests the Australian psyche - as if Australian Aboriginal peoples thought of themselves as the Australian Aboriginal people. They the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders or they the bigots? I'm unsure of which group you;re trying to be a smartarse about. It doesn't really matter. Both are easily defended on here, from your perspective. More drivel out of half-arsed education that has been poured like sewerage into Australians for over 150 years. Even on islands relatively tiny to Australia, the Maori did not see themselves as the 'Maori People' (the word 'Maori' being only used since the late 18th century to differentiate 'normal' people from British explorers), but by their tribal/clan subcultural identities. When you're referring to, say, Greeks, would you refer to them as the European people? Oh my god! How insightful of you! You're telling us all that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders aren't a homogeneous blob? Serious? You should have, like a street named after you or something. I'm certain nobody has ever thought that before. Yes. When it comes to comprehending Australian Aboriginal peoples as distinct peoples, Australians have been fed dumb cuntery for over a century and a half. Even the crypto-colonising Americans realised early that all native Americans were not the same and native American cultures were, well, not monolithic. I doubt that - I'm certain they could see any differences..... maybe not all differences, but clearly different groups were different.... jeez - some were even peaceful.... didn't murder women and children even their own kind...

The fact that 'walkabout' could have once generally been thought of as a massive trek that young Aboriginal men went through - thousands of kilometres from their clan's/tribe's territory - speaks to generational ignorance and implies that what non-Aboriginal Australians knew of Aboriginal peoples was mostly informed by urban myths and movies.

I have a lot of pottery lining my garden right now. Big deal. They are called rocks.

My question is why is this pottery -- if it is "pottery" -- looking like it is thousands of years old? Being able to tote water around would have been a big help in aboriginal civilisations. It warrants the idea that this pottery should have been widespread in Australia before the arrival of Europeans.

They stole the pottery.
...or traded for it.

Think about it. 30km's offshore where many old boats could be going past and need provisions with a few old pots to give in return. That's about as authentic as 'aboriginal pottery' gets.

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 5:01pm:

I have a lot of pottery lining my garden right now. Big deal. They are called rocks. My question is why is this pottery -- if it is "pottery" -- looking like it is thousands of years old? Being able to tote water around would have been a big help in aboriginal civilisations. It warrants the idea that this pottery should have been widespread in Australia before the arrival of Europeans.

If you want to know more, the post that started this talkfest is at:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1712790804

.

Jeeze!

Monk is sniffin glue again at his desk.  ::)

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 7:06pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 5:01pm: I have a lot of pottery lining my garden right now. Big deal. They are called rocks. My question is why is this pottery -- if it is "pottery" -- looking like it is thousands of years old? Being able to tote water around would have been a big help in aboriginal civilisations. It warrants the idea that this pottery should have been widespread in Australia before the arrival of Europeans. If you want to know more, the post that started this talkfest is at: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1712790804

What a nonsense. Self aggrandising nonsense. This thread was started "Apr 10th, 2024 at 1:44pm" and your rightfully ignored thread in cats and critters was started "Yesterday at 9:13am", what are Aboriginals? Cats or critters?

Monk's new Board name is "How to dump animals in the river"

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 7:06pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 5:01pm: I have a lot of pottery lining my garden right now. Big deal. They are called rocks. My question is why is this pottery -- if it is "pottery" -- looking like it is thousands of years old? Being able to tote water around would have been a big help in aboriginal civilisations. It warrants the idea that this pottery should have been widespread in Australia before the arrival of Europeans. If you want to know more, the post that started this talkfest is at: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1712790804

You are wanker come lately,  juvenile.

A stupid, pointless talking up of non-existent Aboriginal sophistication here and on your cats and pussies board.

The ONLY point of fascination and interest about Aborigines is how they could remain so primitive and totally frozen in prehistory. That is the only and hugely interesting thing about them.
Any Pascoesque, ABC, Bbwianesque revision is totally anachronistic, stupid and totally ignorant.

Just rudimentary hunter gatherers who never advanced past that stage. Not even as advanced as hunter gatherers in other countries countries.

The left treat Abos like a kid with down syndrome, they do a messy art work and they're celebrated for theiramazing achievement.

They're selling Aborigine art as 'hip hop graffiti' these days.

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Ganja, man.... smoooooth ... eases the trail over the National Parks pathways built for easy access and less wear and tear on the feet in their shoes... don't even get squinty eyes and cataracts due to the Akubra - the Sacred Akubra Created By The Great White Serpent...

Frank wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 8:34pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 7:06pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 5:01pm: I have a lot of pottery lining my garden right now. Big deal. They are called rocks. My question is why is this pottery -- if it is "pottery" -- looking like it is thousands of years old? Being able to tote water around would have been a big help in aboriginal civilisations. It warrants the idea that this pottery should have been widespread in Australia before the arrival of Europeans. If you want to know more, the post that started this talkfest is at: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1712790804 You are wanker come lately,  juvenile. A stupid, pointless talking up of non-exis Trent Aboriginal sophistication here a nd on your cats and pussies board. The ONLY point of fascination and interest about Aborigines is how they could remain so primitive and totally frozen in prehistory. That is the only and hugely interesting thing about them. Any Pascoesque, ABC, Bbwianesque revision is totally anachronistic, stupid and totally ignorant.

Apparently the only groups in history who routinely killed women instead of keeping them for breeding cattle to replenish the mob... keep up the numbers.  Every other group went for the women to keep..... 'Elen of Troy.... gie us yer missus!!!

Jasin wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 8:49pm:

They're selling Aborigine art as 'hip hop graffiti' these days.

;D

Jasin wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 8:49pm:

They're selling Aborigine art as 'hip hop graffiti' these days.

;D

Gordon wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 8:38pm:

Just rudimentary hunter gatherers who never advanced past that stage. Not even as advanced as hunter gatherers in other countries countries. The left treat Abos like a kid with down syndrome, they do a messy art work and they're celebrated for theiramazing achievement.

Professor Marcia Plankton, Anthropologist - identified a few Aboriginal artefacts way up north somewhere remote .... a few sticks, a didgeridoo maybe, a cooking stone... oooooh look - a sharp stone to scrape hides........ that's a modern Aboriginal professorship for you and internationally acclaimed... College Of Outer Woop-Woop .... where everyone is a local Ph.D!!

Abo lights his fart in the fire
Bwian. THEY UTILISED METHANE GAS

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 8:58pm:

Gordon wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 8:38pm: Just rudimentary hunter gatherers who never advanced past that stage. Not even as advanced as hunter gatherers in other countries countries. The left treat Abos like a kid with down syndrome, they do a messy art work and they're celebrated for theiramazing achievement. Professor Marcia Plankton, Anthropologist - identified a few Aboriginal artefacts way up north somewhere remote .... a few sticks, a didgeridoo maybe, a cooking stone... oooooh look - a sharp stone to scrape hides........ that's a modern Aboriginal professorship for you and internationally acclaimed... College Of Outer Woop-Woop .... where everyone is a local Ph.D!!

Save the whale!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdVHZwI8pcA

Do you think they used the Pottery for food and wine or did they wear them on their heads as safe sex devices?

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Jasin wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 9:47pm:

Do you think they used the Pottery for food and wine or did they wear them on their heads as safe sex devices?

Perhaps beauty enhancers, they didn't have paper bags or beer goggles although I'm sure the evidence they did will turn up at some point..

The only tools Setanta and Grappler had need of were their Mohel's teeth.

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 9:44am:

It's just hilarious how butt hurt the bigots on here get whenever it's suggested that Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander people did anything other than what they were taught in school .... way back last century. Furious. They become furious. It's deeply funny.

What's deeply disturbing is idiots like you believe the fake headline that Bwyan posted.

It's not Australian Aboriginal peoples work nor is it TSI's work.

It's Lapita peoples work. Lapita peoples didn't settle mainland Australia.

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 9:56am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 9:53am: Hunter-gatherer peoples must carry all they need for survival. Why would they waste time and energy making an artefact that would expend more energy in production, safeguarding and transporting than it would save? Because they weren't solely hunter gatherers. Oh that's going to make them well cross.

;D but they were solely HGers. Silly bint.

Do you know where Lizard Island is?

Why hasn't any of the ancient pottery been found on the mainland?

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2024 at 10:50am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:42am: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:37am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:32am: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:22am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 10:13am: mothra wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 9:56am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 12th, 2024 at 9:53am: Hunter-gatherer peoples must carry all they need for survival. Why would they waste time and energy making an artefact that would expend more energy in production, safeguarding and transporting than it would save? Because they weren't solely hunter gatherers. Oh that's going to make them well cross. Weren't they? And who is the 'they' you speak of? Another reference to monolithic Aboriginal culture that infests the Australian psyche - as if Australian Aboriginal peoples thought of themselves as the Australian Aboriginal people. They the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders or they the bigots? I'm unsure of which group you;re trying to be a smartarse about. It doesn't really matter. Both are easily defended on here, from your perspective. More drivel out of half-arsed education that has been poured like sewerage into Australians for over 150 years. Even on islands relatively tiny to Australia, the Maori did not see themselves as the 'Maori People' (the word 'Maori' being only used since the late 18th century to differentiate 'normal' people from British explorers), but by their tribal/clan subcultural identities. When you're referring to, say, Greeks, would you refer to them as the European people? Oh my god! How insightful of you! You're telling us all that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders aren't a homogeneous blob? Serious? You should have, like a street named after you or something. I'm certain nobody has ever thought that before. Yes. When it comes to comprehending Australian Aboriginal peoples as distinct peoples, Australians have been fed dumb cuntery for over a century and a half. Even the crypto-colonising Americans realised early that all native Americans were not the same and native American cultures were, well, not monolithic. I think you'll find that younger gnerations than you have had the benefit of a more rounded education. And it all brings me back to my original point ,,, the folk on here lose their ever loving minds when it's suggested that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders are found to have existed in ways contrary to their previous centuries education. Thread after thread on it. And it's me you challenge. Typical.

Is that what you call indoctrination with BS?...

they've certainly had that ... you're a prime example.

@Aqua - speaking of Arukun .. another 2 page spread for there in the Courier today.

I reckon they ought send Mothballs there to sort it out seeings she's such an expert & so educated on matters regarding ATSI peoples. ;D


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WE CAN’T SEND KIDS TO SCHOOL SPECIAL REPORT - LUKE WILLIAMS Parents have stopped sending their children to school in a remote Indigenous community because they fear attacks, as local leaders question how $140m in government funding is being spent in the town without a doctor, dentist or counsellors. Aurukun elders have spoken out about ongoing issues in the community, including escalating inter-family violence involving crossbows, threats of harming children and the marking of territorial “enemy lines”. Traditional owner Stanford Ngakyunkwokka said parents had stopped sending their kids to the local government-run school because they were scared they would be attacked. He said young people had been caught between longstanding family feuds and were often awake until early hours of the morning. “People nearly get killed,” he said. “They use crossbows and archery. Heaps of people get into these fights at once. “They say if we see your children at school tomorrow, we will get them. “So the parents are scared to send their children.” Several elders who spoke to The Courier-Mail made similar claims. Aurukun, 800km northwest of Cairns, has a population of 1200 people. Aurukun State School has 219 students from prep to year 12. But only 29 per cent of enrolled students attend, with just 1 per cent attending 90 per cent or more of the time, according to data from the Australian Curriculum Assessment and Reporting Authority. Text messages from the Queensland Teachers’ Union shown to The Courier-Mail reveal the union recently discussed temporarily closing down the school because of ongoing safety risks. Teachers who spoke anonymously said they were leaving the school because students were threatening teachers with sexual violence and pupils as young as five were coming to school armed with large knives. Mr Ngakyunkwokka said several clans had “enemy lines” drawn around the town. He said fighting had escalated in the past two weeks with several doors broken down, and one house nearly set alight. Arrows had passed through the night sky in his neighbourhood nearly every night. “If you go past those enemy lines at night, then look out,” he said. Sitting with his grandson Alan Pambyan on his knee, Mr Ngakyunkwokka fears for his future. “Go out at night and you’ll see it all for yourself,” he said. At the same time, outgoing Aurukun Mayor Keri Tamwoy wants to know how $140m in government funding is being spent in her remote Far North Queensland community without a doctor, dentist or counsellors. Ms Tamwoy, co-founder of the Wik Women’s Group and a supporter of the failed Voice to Parliament, says there is no shortage of money coming into the community. In the past financial year the community received $142m in federal and state government funding across 126 government and non-government organisations. Only a handful are controlled by the Aurukun community. “We don’t know what the money is being spent on. The money is not going to us in the community. It is going to these organisations. So we can’t say why it isn’t working,” she said. “But every time this issue of money being spent and there not being results comes up. “It’s Indigenous people who get the finger pointed at them – it’s us who get the blame.” Her calls come after the Albanese government’s attempt to constitutionally enshrine an Indigenous Voice to parliament was voted down in October’s referendum. At the time, Cape York leader Noel Pearson said governments had been telling Indigenous people what policies should be, which had failed communities. The Voice, he believed, would change that. Ms Tamwoy said her community would have asked for service providers to be examined had the Voice referendum been successful. “The Indigenous people in this town do not know what service providers are funded and what programs they are running here,” she said. Ms Tamwoy, the cousin of the Prime Minister’s inaugural Indigenous Advisory Council member Bruce Martin, who was fatally stabbed in Townsville last year, said she still grieved for him. “I don’t have anybody to talk to about his death. I have only my children,” she said. With more than 40 deaths in the town last year, Ms Tamwoy says there are no counsellors to provide help. “There are no bereavement counsellors in town. We don’t have trauma counsellors,” she said. “A lot of people carry around a lot of trauma, a lot of unaddressed trauma, and we are seeing trauma in younger children because it’s passed on. Children become what they see. It’s all that pentup trauma.” Ms Tamwoy said the fly-in fly-out model from service providers was not working.

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“We need specialised trauma counsellors who are going to live in our town, not people who are going to be gone in three months,” she said. “Everyone needs to heal here. Even me, I have got a lot of healing to do.” A board member of Aurukun State School, Ms Tamwoy is calling for the state government to provide permanent trauma counsellors at the school, which employs eight security guards. “We don’t even know which stakeholder provides which service,” she said. “All we know is that millions of dollars is coming into the community – but where are the results?” Ms Tamwoy added: “There are an awful lot of people in town walking around in pain because they need dental work.” Aurukun Shire Council acting CEO Graham King said the state government had failed to deliver the “investment mapping” that had been promised to all Indigenous councils to show how and where funds are being spent. Treaty and Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Partnerships Minister Leeanne Enoch said the government supported “local leadership, shared local decision-making and co-designed community-led solutions”. “We’re engaging with the new Aurukun Shire Council, community leaders and representatives to assist the established community-based, local decision-making body to make their own decisions about the future and develop community-led responses that improve lives. Federal Indigenous Australians Minister Linda Burney said: “Violence is unacceptable ... We want to see children in places like Aurukun going to school, learning in the classroom and getting the same opportunities as every other child in the country.”

What Ms Tamwoy doesn't seem to understand is that specialised  counsellors, teachers, health professionals and nurses are not going to live in her community whilst their safety is constantly under threats of violent attack, rape etc.

Money is not going to fix that, the community has to fix it.

And if she wants to know where the money($142million) given to organisations supposedly improving the community ...she should ask the Big Man of the Cape Noel Pearson ... he runs most of them. ::)

ATSI Partnership Minister Leeanne Enock will have her work cut out for her working with the new Mayor Barbera Bandicootcha .... who was recently done for DUI.  ;D

So it's not Aboriginal pottery at all?  Just a few boat people dropping in?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 13^th, 2024 at 9:39am:

So it's not Aboriginal pottery at all?  Just a few boat people dropping in?

Yeah ... they've had nothing but trouble with boat people ey?  ;D

"Hear me, O Critias - that once there lived a nation of gods, mighty in stature and of deep intellect and artistic merit.....with pottery of the finest water... and lived they beyond the Pillars of Cooktown....and this entire civilisation of golden people and golden temples wreathed in the finest ivory, having offended the True Gods with their hubris, vanished in a day ad a night of fire and inundation ...... for none may challenge the gods in their glory.... or in the schools and houses of learning...

Not one big happy family at Arukun, eh?

If the indigenous people could recreate the pottery, the pottery would have been widespread around Australia within a few centuries. Not only are the indigenous people of Australia the oldest civilisation on the planet, it is barely civilised. No progression from the hunter-gatherer tribespeople in Australia. We might have seen the end of the Stone Age in Europe about 5000 years ago. But the indigenous people never developed the bronze age.

The pottery was traded from visiting boat people who had mastered pottery making. Why else would there be fragments of pottery on one island, if the Australian colonisers smashed their culture up to 220 years ago? The indigenous would not have straight up forgotten how to make pottery. And we would be seeing much newer remnants of pottery today that was made by indigenous Australians as late as the 1920s.

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 13^th, 2024 at 1:16pm:

If the indigenous people could recreate the pottery, the pottery would have been widespread around Australia within a few centuries. Not only are the indigenous people of Australia the oldest civilisation on the planet, it is barely civilised. No progression from the hunter-gatherer tribespeople in Australia. We might have seen the end of the Stone Age in Europe about 5000 years ago. But the indigenous people never developed the bronze age. The pottery was traded from visiting boat people who had mastered pottery making. Why else would there be fragments of pottery on one island, if the Australian colonisers smashed their culture up to 220 years ago? The indigenous would not have straight up forgotten how to make pottery. And we would be seeing much newer remnants of pottery today that was made by indigenous Australians as late as the 1920s.

That's just bigotry and racism.

99.9% of white Australians couldn't make pottery.

So, the core problem with micro-regional discoveries of artefacts on the Australian continent and surrounding islands, is the tendency to attribute, in the popular imagination, whatever technology is required to create those artefacts to the 'Australian Aboriginal people'  as opposed to an Australian Aboriginal people.

This tendency is due to ignorance informed only by urban myth bullshittery, passing for history.

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Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 13^th, 2024 at 1:23pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 13th, 2024 at 1:16pm: If the indigenous people could recreate the pottery, the pottery would have been widespread around Australia within a few centuries. Not only are the indigenous people of Australia the oldest civilisation on the planet, it is barely civilised. No progression from the hunter-gatherer tribespeople in Australia. We might have seen the end of the Stone Age in Europe about 5000 years ago. But the indigenous people never developed the bronze age. The pottery was traded from visiting boat people who had mastered pottery making. Why else would there be fragments of pottery on one island, if the Australian colonisers smashed their culture up to 220 years ago? The indigenous would not have straight up forgotten how to make pottery. And we would be seeing much newer remnants of pottery today that was made by indigenous Australians as late as the 1920s. That's just bigotry and racism. 99.9% of white Australians couldn't make pottery.

Why is it that Yellow people could build great architectural cities, Great Walls, massive statues, big ships, huge armies, places of spiritual respite, social heirarchies and other major cultural contributions right down to a strong samurai sword?

...while 'Black' people only invented leaves to wipe their bums in the African bush while herding cattle and selling their people off as Slaves?

As for India - the majority of Cultural enrichment came from the Aryans in the north, while the Dravidians in the south could only offer up their black skin.

Jasin wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 9:40am:

...while 'Black' people only invented leaves to wipe their bums in the African bush while herding cattle and selling their people off as Slaves?

What civilisations have the Africans ever built for themselves?

Apart from the:

Mali Empire
Benin Empire
Songhai Empire
Kingdom of Kush
Ethiopian Empire
The Great Zimbabwe
Land of Punt
Igbo kingdoms
Kingdom of Aksum
Kong Empire
Ghana
Carthage
Aghlabid dynasty
Ajuran Sultanate
Arochukwu
Ashanti Empire
Bamana Empire
Hausa Kingdoms
Kanem–Bornu Empire
Kingdom of Mauretania
Kingdom of Jarin
Sokoto Caliphate

Apart from all that, what civilisations have the Africans ever built for themselves?

There's a reason why we all still remember Timbuktu.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 13^th, 2024 at 1:23pm:

That's just bigotry and racism. 99.9% of white Australians couldn't make pottery.

So explain to us mere mortals when the aboriginal people lost the ability to make pottery. ::)

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 10:33am:

Jasin wrote on Apr 14th, 2024 at 9:40am: ...while 'Black' people only invented leaves to wipe their bums in the African bush while herding cattle and selling their people off as Slaves? What civilisations have the Africans ever built for themselves? Apart from the: Mali Empire Benin Empire Songhai Empire Kingdom of Kush Ethiopian Empire The Great Zimbabwe Land of Punt Igbo kingdoms Kingdom of Aksum Kong Empire Ghana Carthage Aghlabid dynasty Ajuran Sultanate Arochukwu Ashanti Empire Bamana Empire Hausa Kingdoms Kanem–Bornu Empire Kingdom of Mauretania Kingdom of Jarin Sokoto Caliphate Apart from all that, what civilisations have the Africans ever built for themselves? There's a reason why we all still remember Timbuktu.

Yellow Man has created the Gift of City and Building greatness.   Their distant relative the Egyptian created Pyramids!
...what has the Black Man given the world as a Cultural 'Gift' unique among themselves? A big penis? ;D

Must have kept yabbies in them:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/yabbying-still-elicits-a-sense-of-nostalgia-in-landlocked-aussies-eager-for-some-inland-lobster/ar-BB1lA5eb?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=979854afb0d84b1ebd8522e63d72fac1&ei=13&sc=shoreline

Must have kept yabbies in them:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/yabbying-still-elicits-a-sense-of-nostalgia-in-landlocked-aussies-eager-for-some-inland-lobster/ar-BB1lA5eb?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=979854afb0d84b1ebd8522e63d72fac1&ei=13&sc=shoreline

lee wrote on Apr 14^th, 2024 at 3:12pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 13th, 2024 at 1:23pm: That's just bigotry and racism. 99.9% of white Australians couldn't make pottery. So explain to us mere mortals when the aboriginal people lost the ability to make pottery. ::)

They didn't lose it - they never had it................ this 'researcher' is hoping there might be some connection somewhere...... it was just some travelers passing through... ships in the night....

Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 13^th, 2024 at 1:23pm:

That's just bigotry and racism. 99.9% of white Australians couldn't make pottery.

Nope. I am no good at pottery. The last time I tried, the clay flopped over and the ghost of Patrick Swayze heckled me, saying "It's not as easy as you thought", as the ghosts of the Righteous Brothers played "Unchained Melody".

But even if 99.9% of white Australians could not make pottery, there is still that 0.1% you claim that could make pottery. And I am willing to bet that 0.1% of the 22 million white Australians today would far outnumber the total indigenous Australians who have ever made pottery in the last 60,000 years.

Aborigines are 2% Neanderthal and 6% Denisovan.

They are practically a different species.

They never had pottery - other cultures visited this continent for thousands of years - Indian and Makassar people for example. 

Aborigines are Stone Age - Paleolithic who never even made it to Neolithic stage and they were Cannibals who raped murdered and ate babies.

If I never see another one again in my whole life it will be too soon.

There were questions about why Aboriginal people would use pottery in the first place.

"You need pottery to store things. You need pottery to cook [...] Aboriginal people all along that Cape York Peninsula coastline had no need to make pottery because they had big baler shells and big clam shells, which serve exactly the same purpose," Professor Wallis said.   

"If you chip away the outside of the shell, you can simply reach your hand in and there's already a ready-made handle in there."

"It'd be great to hear [the paper's authors] speak about why they think Aboriginal peoples suddenly did this for this short blip of time, and then stopped."
(from the ABC article in the OP)


Obviously not pottery made by Aborigines.

Brian has made no responses or further posts to his initial post on this topic. I dare say he just left the topic here as bait to irritate the commonsense thinking people. If this was a court of law, the argument would be conclusive that the aborigines traded for the pottery, that was not made in Australia.

I would argue that the number of potters in Australia of indigenous heritage (including those that are as white as Pascoe) since the time of Federation would probably not make up the numbers of a football game.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 13^th, 2024 at 1:23pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 13th, 2024 at 1:16pm: If the indigenous people could recreate the pottery, the pottery would have been widespread around Australia within a few centuries. Not only are the indigenous people of Australia the oldest civilisation on the planet, it is barely civilised. No progression from the hunter-gatherer tribespeople in Australia. We might have seen the end of the Stone Age in Europe about 5000 years ago. But the indigenous people never developed the bronze age. The pottery was traded from visiting boat people who had mastered pottery making. Why else would there be fragments of pottery on one island, if the Australian colonisers smashed their culture up to 220 years ago? The indigenous would not have straight up forgotten how to make pottery. And we would be seeing much newer remnants of pottery today that was made by indigenous Australians as late as the 1920s. That's just bigotry and racism. 99.9% of white Australians couldn't make pottery.

So? .... they're not claiming they can or did.

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Proof or get off the pottery.... we're sick of this reading in by 'researchers' in their weed smoke filled hazes... desperately seeking something controversial and of interest so they can make a name for themselves.... FCS....

Stick to reality... it was a passing Chinese boat...

Pascoe Pottery.... created from the finest shards in the island.....

Gnads wrote on Apr 20^th, 2024 at 8:57am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 13th, 2024 at 1:23pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 13th, 2024 at 1:16pm: If the indigenous people could recreate the pottery, the pottery would have been widespread around Australia within a few centuries. Not only are the indigenous people of Australia the oldest civilisation on the planet, it is barely civilised. No progression from the hunter-gatherer tribespeople in Australia. We might have seen the end of the Stone Age in Europe about 5000 years ago. But the indigenous people never developed the bronze age. The pottery was traded from visiting boat people who had mastered pottery making. Why else would there be fragments of pottery on one island, if the Australian colonisers smashed their culture up to 220 years ago? The indigenous would not have straight up forgotten how to make pottery. And we would be seeing much newer remnants of pottery today that was made by indigenous Australians as late as the 1920s. That's just bigotry and racism. 99.9% of white Australians couldn't make pottery. So? .... they're not claiming they can or did.

See that island over there, Njungawadda?  That's Pottery Island - the only place in Australia where they make that stuff..... it's a secret potter's business thing .... and nobody is allowed there to see ....   8-)

Let's look back at this researcher - sheila or not sheila?  Or a mock sheila or something steeped in the usual total lack of ability to discern reality from unreality, as per the education system...

Well - stone the crows!  Look like bits of rock to me...

"The search for pottery of Lizard Island kicked off in 2006, when New Zealand archaeologist Matthew Felgate — co-author of the new paper — was taking a coastal walk.

"He goes on a holiday to Lizard Island, and walks around the intertidal zones, and he found pottery," Professor McNiven said.

Professor McNiven and other Australian researchers couldn't believe it.

"Everyone has been looking for pottery on the Queensland coast forever, none of us have ever found it. His first trip looking for it he finds it."

2006?  18 years of research fellowships to find a few shards that look like stone and somehow attribute those to Aborigines who weren't there?

Yeah, man - youse guys spent years trying to find this crap, man, and I just wandered along a golden beach and found it... yeah... true story... and nowhere near the Queensland coast where the Abos are thick on the ground... it's a miracle!!!

FFS - when will the ABC give this up?  'fish traps, 'fire management', sweeping fields of grain.... FFS... a lie repeated often enough becomes truth, eh?

No wonder the cutters got inside the heads of the young ones these days... they just believe what they're told... it's pushed on them from their first day at pre-school.... wondering about boys and girls... wanna play with that doll?  Take your hormones and we'll go find you some pottery to play with.....

FFS ........... NOBODY in their right mind believes any of that crap these days.

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 19^th, 2024 at 12:40pm:

Brian has made no responses or further posts to his initial post on this topic. I dare say he just left the topic here as bait to irritate the commonsense thinking people. If this was a court of law, the argument would be conclusive that the aborigines traded for the pottery, that was not made in Australia. I would argue that the number of potters in Australia of indigenous heritage (including those that are as white as Pascoe) since the time of Federation would probably not make up the numbers of a football game.

99% of all Bwyans posts are made as click bait .. he posts any spurious BS that mentions amazing discoveries about Aboriginals merely so he can call anyone who counters/disagrees with the premise of the post a  "Wacist".

Bwyan is always thinking outside the box you know?

Even if it's a paper Mache box in the pouring rain.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 20^th, 2024 at 1:03pm:

Gnads wrote on Apr 20th, 2024 at 8:57am: Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 13th, 2024 at 1:23pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 13th, 2024 at 1:16pm: If the indigenous people could recreate the pottery, the pottery would have been widespread around Australia within a few centuries. Not only are the indigenous people of Australia the oldest civilisation on the planet, it is barely civilised. No progression from the hunter-gatherer tribespeople in Australia. We might have seen the end of the Stone Age in Europe about 5000 years ago. But the indigenous people never developed the bronze age. The pottery was traded from visiting boat people who had mastered pottery making. Why else would there be fragments of pottery on one island, if the Australian colonisers smashed their culture up to 220 years ago? The indigenous would not have straight up forgotten how to make pottery. And we would be seeing much newer remnants of pottery today that was made by indigenous Australians as late as the 1920s. That's just bigotry and racism. 99.9% of white Australians couldn't make pottery. So? .... they're not claiming they can or did. See that island over there, Njungawadda?  That's Pottery Island - the only place in Australia where they make that stuff..... it's a secret potter's business thing .... and nobody is allowed there to see ....   8-) Let's look back at this researcher - sheila or not sheila?  Or a mock sheila or something steeped in the usual total lack of ability to discern reality from unreality, as per the education system...

I know the sort of shyte you're speaking of ..... it happened here when our local Mayor(long gone) and a few Councilors decided a good boon for the local ecomomy was to have a prison built here.

When the site was chosen out of town a few klms they had to get a bus load of Aboriginals on $300 a day, who came from all over the state, with no connection to the area or local tribe, to scour the area looking for significant Aboriginal trees & sites....

the biggest overzealous trouble maker in the group was a white bloke ... who when seeing a backhoe operator drilling soil sample cores bring up some ochre coloured soil ....

he ran over saying "look, look, ochre - this is where they got ochre" ....

the backhoe operator, a big bloke got down off his machine and said to the bloke ... "that ochre is over a metre and half deep - aboriginals didn't mine for ochre and if you don't bugger off with your BS I'll bury you in that drill hole"  ;D ;D

Bwyan is like that white overzealous trouble maker who didn't know his arse from his elbow.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 20^th, 2024 at 12:07pm:

Proof or get off the pottery.... we're sick of this reading in by 'researchers' in their weed smoke filled hazes... desperately seeking something controversial and of interest so they can make a name for themselves.... FCS.... Stick to reality... it was a passing Chinese boat... Pascoe Pottery.... created from the finest shards in the island.....

They just need to pump out an Academic 'paper' to get more 'fundings' and more intention mainstream - helps get that funding more so.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/ancient-monument-unlike-anything-archaeologists-have-seen-before-unearthed-in-france/ar-AA1nnrk1?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=ceb3e744a246480cb54f5e64b7fa679a&ei=27&sc=shoreline

Secred site, bro.... proves them ancients was more cultured than we all thought....

ohh look how butthurt the racists on here get at the idea that someone mighty claim some aborigine understood pottery :D :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 8:35am:

ohh look how butthurt the racists on here get at the idea that someone mighty claim some aborigine understood pottery :D :D :D :D

Being  a ridiculous virtue signaler again Smithy?

The truth being that they didn't. The pottery shards belong to another people.

Abbo pottery

What an absolute joke

Pottery is so far bey9nd any capability of these primitives that it would be more believable if they were said to have developed an internal combustion engine.

More lies from the world's laziest and most parasitical kultcha.

John Smith wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 8:35am:

ohh look how butthurt the racists on here get at the idea that someone mighty claim some aborigine understood pottery :D :D :D :D

I've ticked the Box Smith.
You will be happy in knowing you're paying towards my new Aborigine Benefits in the max. Now that I'm Aborigine. I think I claim your land as 'sacred site'.
Cheers maaaaaaaaaaate.

If Abos used pottery widely, the stuff would literally be found everywhere.
Remember, they were here for 50k+ years.

Do doubt in the near future an archeological dig will unearth Aboriginal superconductors, anti-gravity machines and probably a flux capacitor.

They even lost the ancient art of eel trapping, too.... over there in Western Victoria the '100 sq km eel farm' is a perhaps series of constructed stone etc traps - not 100 sq km at all.... and for some god-forsaken reason all that shows is sand and no water... well - WTF happened?  Where are the eels and where is the actual proof that these were eel traps?

Story goes that some sheila checked inside some burnt stumps and found eel fat - from where eels had been roasted - well - that's amazing.... nobody else ever caught on to that one, eh? She says the ability to generate surplus food made life different... yes - where there was plentiful natural food the chances were that the locals settled for the season... until the food got scarce again... Bermagui is a classic by the sea.... it's just nature to do that, same as every other animal.

So - where are all the eels and the traps today.....???  This 'lake' looks pretty dry.... would've been shallow... eels probably came and went with seasons and rains..... The Songline Of The Way Of The Eel.... over in that mallee country where the bush sucks up lots of water..... and keeps the salt layer down low.... unless disturbed and uprooted...... have you seen that natural catastrophe from the air?

Honey - swat that mallee ponce idea......

Jasin wrote on Apr 21^st, 2024 at 9:48am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 20th, 2024 at 12:07pm: Proof or get off the pottery.... we're sick of this reading in by 'researchers' in their weed smoke filled hazes... desperately seeking something controversial and of interest so they can make a name for themselves.... FCS.... Stick to reality... it was a passing Chinese boat... Pascoe Pottery.... created from the finest shards in the island..... They just need to pump out an Academic 'paper' to get more 'fundings' and more intention mainstream - helps get that funding more so.

Yeah - there'll be a shortage of funds for 'gender research' while the Cass review runs its course for a few years to develop a viable database etc.... all those pretender gender bender professors will be trembling in their tenures..... as you say - they need to come up with something to guarantee grants and income ... Pascoe showed the way....

Soon the Super Boomerang Interstellar Ship will be unearthed.... fragments thereof..... it'll take a lot of funds to dig for all the pieces.. but these bits here, when put together, look like they say Rose Well or similar and appear to be made out of some hitherto unknown material ......... maybe Songliner.... of course it could be a ship about the size of the Titanic... used for trade with the planets etc.... dried and roasted eels....

Jasin wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2024 at 8:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 22nd, 2024 at 8:35am: ohh look how butthurt the racists on here get at the idea that someone mighty claim some aborigine understood pottery :D :D :D :D I've ticked the Box Smith. You will be happy in knowing you're paying towards my new Aborigine Benefits in the max. Now that I'm Aborigine. I think I claim your land as 'sacred site'. Cheers maaaaaaaaaaate.

Mek a clem, Bro - even if it don' work out ya git some compensation.. brown paper bag... won' affect your Aboriginal Salary from Centrelink... that for Wharte Man, bro...

Gnads wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2024 at 9:21am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 22nd, 2024 at 8:35am: ohh look how butthurt the racists on here get at the idea that someone mighty claim some aborigine understood pottery :D :D :D :D Being  a ridiculous virtue signaler again Smithy? The truth being that they didn't. The pottery shards belong to another people.

The truth is that you're butthurt at the idea. If you don't mind, I'll take the advise of the archaeologists over yours on the veracity of the claims. Being a rabid racist doesn't exactly qualify you to comment on whether it's true or not

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/oldest-neanderthal-cave-wall-engravings-may-be-finger-flutings-more-than-57-000-years-old/ar-AA1cQWBa?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=63ddd5ea11444d03e17d5e9dea6d5ce5&ei=8&sc=shoreline

Jesus - watch out - the Euros will start catching up.... at this rate they'll start finding eel traps..... bastards .... they could finger paint!!!

Hey - what happened to that '100 sq km' eel farm?  Pretty dry from the pictures.... where'd the water and the eels go?  Must've been seasonal, eh?  Lake something or other - just dry when it feels like it ..... So...... what about that 'semi-permanent settlement' and the 'trade in toasted eel' and all that sophistication among Abos?  Eels carried in pottery?

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2024 at 6:34am:

Gnads wrote on Apr 22nd, 2024 at 9:21am: John Smith wrote on Apr 22nd, 2024 at 8:35am: ohh look how butthurt the racists on here get at the idea that someone mighty claim some aborigine understood pottery :D :D :D :D Being  a ridiculous virtue signaler again Smithy? The truth being that they didn't. The pottery shards belong to another people. The truth is that you're butthurt at the idea. If you don't mind, I'll take the advise of the archaeologists over yours on the veracity of the claims. Being a rabid racist doesn't exactly qualify you to comment on whether it's true or not

Maybe you should watch a clip on Tree Rings Mimo and see how 'Research and Science' is very flawed indeed - when it comes to just putting the 'idea' of it all out there.

Reckon they just spat on the pottery, gave it a rub and then said "Yep - it's in Aborigine Land so we dare not say it isn't theirs or we'll be called Racist."

...it's right up there with that flawed 'Science' stating that Aborigines were in no way responsible for the demise of the Mega-Fauna (starting fires for big BBQ's) and it was all completely 'Climate Change' conveniently at the same period.  ::)

The Abos on the island traded for the Pottery for some Fish and Bush Tucker, maybe a few women to passing Sailors.
Then realising that the Pottery meant nothing to them - they just left it there.
This is more than likely, knowing human behaviour, more than cracking a fat over something 'scientific' just to appear more 'sophisticated' than it really is.

Bloody hell - now it's the Africans..... where will it all end?

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/don-t-underestimate-our-stone-age-ancestors-we-could-learn-from-them/ar-AA1hROWC?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=99efa6f11b054fd5933c017f8ff28f7d&ei=20&sc=shoreline

Looks like everyone wants in on the game of 'ancient culture'.... buggar - there go the land claims .... there go the claims to sovereignty never ceded ... Jesus - they did that the moment they walked into a Centrelink office to get benefits......

"Are you and Australian citizen?"    Yes/No

"OK, Bro - sign up here for your lend claim and all the other stuff.... non-citizens can't even mek a clem!  Now - if you are an Australian citizen - you also can't mek a lend clem, since you are bound by the sem rules as everyone else, eh?  Yo gonna hevta buy 'im, bro..."

John Smith wrote on Apr 24^th, 2024 at 6:34am:

Gnads wrote on Apr 22nd, 2024 at 9:21am: John Smith wrote on Apr 22nd, 2024 at 8:35am: ohh look how butthurt the racists on here get at the idea that someone mighty claim some aborigine understood pottery :D :D :D :D Being  a ridiculous virtue signaler again Smithy? The truth being that they didn't. The pottery shards belong to another people. The truth is that you're butthurt at the idea. If you don't mind, I'll take the advise of the archaeologists over yours on the veracity of the claims. Being a rabid racist doesn't exactly qualify you to comment on whether it's true or not

Africans and Euros beat you to it, Bro - and them Chinese  junk pilots leaving pottery behind....

Now the Neanderthals..... jeez - that pottery has really stirred the pot (sic).....  après la poterie vient le déluge

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/techandscience/momentous-discovery-shows-neanderthals-could-produce-human-like-speech/ar-AA1kuhcW?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=d9aa4d71d6284409bbae485f827e47e8&ei=7&sc=shoreline

Soon they'll find a KFC Bucket and claim via scientific butt-licking, that it was invented by Aborigines.

Arrrrgh - the dread reindeer trap!!  That beats any old eel trap by a country mile...

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/mile-long-11-000-year-old-wall-discovered-off-german-coast-likely-the-oldest-structure-in-europe/ar-BB1ijx8T?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=24e4a0221ee94626b6365425391db3e2&ei=8&sc=shoreline

Now this is what I call an eel trap....

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/inside-the-perfectly-preserved-iron-age-village-with-a-huge-underground-structure/ss-BB1jr1Eq?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=81704a46e9e14fcce429176c1ff24d2d&ei=22&sc=shoreline

Hear me, O Critias - that once lived a land of Gods to the East of the Pillars of Rockhampton ...... destroyed and vanished in a single day and a single night of fire and flood....

... and you dorks thought I was joking around again.... I told you - I never joke..... after the comedy comes the flood...

Grapplerdamus the Prophet .... I re-birthed that one coupla weeks ago and now the MSM are on to it....  told yez they read our stuff here.... don't complain about the slow threads, OK?  You are becoming infamous by proxy.....

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/lost-continent-in-pacific-ocean-was-home-to-advanced-ancient-civilisation-experts-claim/ar-AA1m60z0?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=c508242db6264955d82222d2530086f3&ei=4&sc=shoreline

Jezhu - Nu Zulland is getting in on the act.... out of the blue, all these things come ...

https://www.msn.com/en-au/video/webcontent/web-content/vi-%2Firj2q36qmohaw?vid=vTe8BZQ17ak&provider=yt&ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=276d6856a2bb49da8ff6eec915963af1&ei=4

Damn - there goes the claim to the 'oldest culture' - guess they'll have to stick with 'oldest continuous culture' - whatever that means dancing around etc, throwing a stick at a roo... donging a lizard on the head......

Stone tools you say?  Hmmm .. bloody Euros.... always gotta be top dogs in the technology stakes...

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/techandscience/earliest-known-stone-tools-in-europe-are-1-4-million-years-old-and-they-weren-t-made-by-modern-humans/ar-BB1jrs6x?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=622971b34a644a10b2c50c1afc119d2f&ei=10&sc=shoreline

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