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Message started by Bobby. on Apr 10th, 2024 at 6:03pm

Title: Did Ukraine used to steal Russian gas?
Post by Bobby. on Apr 10th, 2024 at 6:03pm
Are we supporting thieves?

Did you know that Ukraine used to steal Russian gas?
It's along story but boils down to massive theft over about 30 years:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_disputes

Russia claimed Ukraine was not paying for gas, but diverting that which was intended to be exported to the EU from the pipelines. Ukrainian officials at first denied the accusation,[2][3] but later Naftogaz admitted that because of harsh winter (lower than minus 30C) some natural gas intended for other European countries was retained and used for domestic needs. Ukraine said it will still meet its contractual transit obligations. The dispute reached a high point on 1 January 2006, when Russia cut off all gas supplies passing through Ukrainian territory.[4] On 4 January 2006, a preliminary agreement between Russia and Ukraine was achieved, and the supply was restored. The situation calmed until October 2007 when new disputes began over Ukrainian gas debts. This led to reduction of gas supplies in March 2008. During the last months of 2008, relations once again became tense when Ukraine and Russia could not agree on the debts owed by Ukraine.

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Title: Re: Did Ukraine used to steal Russian gas?
Post by Jasin on Apr 10th, 2024 at 6:12pm
They're ex-Soviets too. I wouldn't be surprised.

Title: Re: Did Ukraine used to steal Russian gas?
Post by Bobby. on Apr 10th, 2024 at 6:16pm

Jasin wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 6:12pm:
They're ex-Soviets too. I wouldn't be surprised.



This is what's missing in our news.
There are background causes to the war.
Is that why Russia built Nord Stream - to stop Ukrainian theft?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream

That got blown up -    ::)

Title: Re: Did Ukraine used to steal Russian gas?
Post by Jasin on Apr 10th, 2024 at 6:20pm
Reckon you're right on the button there.

Title: Re: Did Ukraine used to steal Russian gas?
Post by Bobby. on Apr 10th, 2024 at 6:24pm

Jasin wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 6:20pm:
Reckon you're right on the button there.



So - we are supporting thieves?
Why is that never mentioned in our news?

Title: Re: Did Ukraine used to steal Russian gas?
Post by Bobby. on Apr 10th, 2024 at 6:45pm
Before the latest war started in Feb. 2022,  Macron visited Putin many times.
We were never told much about those discussions but
I'm sure that massive theft of gas over 30 years was discussed.
I feel we have been left in the dark.

It seems that the West including Australia has signed up to WW3 -
without even knowing why we're doing that.

Title: Re: Did Ukraine used to steal Russian gas?
Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 10th, 2024 at 6:55pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 6:16pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 6:12pm:
They're ex-Soviets too. I wouldn't be surprised.



This is what's missing in our news.
There are background causes to the war.
...


Oh, well.  That's alright then - there's background.

So you're fine with Putin's soldiers raping & killing innocent women & children because Ukraine took some gas?





Title: Re: Did Ukraine used to steal Russian gas?
Post by Jasin on Apr 10th, 2024 at 6:59pm
Wanker troll little pink Peccary looking for attention because no-one talks to him much.

Title: Re: Did Ukraine used to steal Russian gas?
Post by Bobby. on Apr 10th, 2024 at 7:00pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 6:55pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 6:16pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 6:12pm:
They're ex-Soviets too. I wouldn't be surprised.



This is what's missing in our news.
There are background causes to the war.
...


Oh, well.  That's alright then - there's background.

So you're fine with Putin's soldiers raping & killing innocent women & children because Ukraine took some gas?



Some gas? - it's a massive theft over a long period of time
and the courts never seemed to sort it out.
No I'm not happy about any war - the whole thing is insane.
I'm attempting to understand why it happened?

There are many stories on a Google search about it:

https://www.rt.com/news/ukraine-steals-european-gas/


https://www.rt.com/business/420738-ukraine-gazprom-assets-arrests-court/


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/24/qa-could-putin-use-russian-gas-supplies-to-hurt-europe

Title: Re: Did Ukraine used to steal Russian gas?
Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 10th, 2024 at 7:07pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 7:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 6:55pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 6:16pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 6:12pm:
They're ex-Soviets too. I wouldn't be surprised.



This is what's missing in our news.
There are background causes to the war.
...


Oh, well.  That's alright then - there's background.

So you're fine with Putin's soldiers raping & killing innocent women & children because Ukraine took some gas?



Some gas? - it's a massive theft over a long period of time
...


So you're fine with Putin's soldiers raping & killing innocent women & children because Ukraine took lots of gas?

Title: Re: Did Ukraine used to steal Russian gas?
Post by Bobby. on Apr 10th, 2024 at 7:08pm
I read many articles -
Ukraine was getting the gas at less than half the European price and still weren't paying -
and they were also siphoning it off and stealing it too.
We're talking about 100s of $billions in theft.


Title: Re: Did Ukraine used to steal Russian gas?
Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 10th, 2024 at 7:10pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 7:08pm:
I read many articles -
Ukraine was getting the gas at less than half the European price and still weren't paying -
and they were also siphoning it off and stealing it too.
We're talking about 100s of $billions in theft.


So you're fine with Putin's soldiers raping & killing innocent women & children because Ukraine took 100s of $billions of gas?

Title: Re: Did Ukraine used to steal Russian gas?
Post by Bobby. on Apr 10th, 2024 at 7:12pm
I don't pretend to understand it all but it seems like Russia
did everything to avoid a war -
they even built Nord Stream to cut Ukraine out of the loop
and stop them stealing their gas but then Nord Stream got blown up as well.

You have to ask the question -
what could get the Russians so angry that they would start a terrible war?

Title: Re: Did Ukraine used to steal Russian gas?
Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 10th, 2024 at 8:11pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 7:12pm:
I don't pretend to understand it all but it seems like Russia
did everything to avoid a war -
...


Lol   ;D

Yeah, and Donald Trump did everything to avoid being a rapist.


Title: Re: Did Ukraine used to steal Russian gas?
Post by Bobby. on Apr 10th, 2024 at 8:16pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 8:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 7:12pm:
I don't pretend to understand it all but it seems like Russia
did everything to avoid a war -
...


Lol   ;D

Yeah, and Donald Trump did everything to avoid being a rapist.



This has nothing to do with Trump - you idiot.
Don't try to divert every thread to your obsession.  >:(



Title: Re: Did Ukraine used to steal Russian gas?
Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 10th, 2024 at 8:22pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 8:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 8:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 10th, 2024 at 7:12pm:
I don't pretend to understand it all but it seems like Russia
did everything to avoid a war -
...


Lol   ;D

Yeah, and Donald Trump did everything to avoid being a rapist.



This has nothing to do with Trump - you idiot.
Don't try to divert every thread to your obsession.  >:(


Trump-the-rapist didn't steal gas?


Title: Re: Did Ukraine used to steal Russian gas?
Post by Bobby. on Apr 10th, 2024 at 11:21pm

Putin is an evil mass murderer but there are also
background causes to the war.

Why all that mass theft and dishonesty from Ukraine?
They were getting less than half price for the gas and
they still ripped more off and didn't pay.

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