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Title: A brand new day Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 15th, 2024 at 7:50pm Quote:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/apr/15/bondi-knife-attack-sydney-ahmadiyya-muslims-mourn-faraz-tahir |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by chimera on Apr 15th, 2024 at 7:59pm
He was an Ahmadi and 'considered as non-Muslims by many mainstream Muslims since they consider Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, the founder of the movement, to be the promised Mahdi and Messiah awaited by the Muslims'.
The real messiah is Holy Don the Maga Felon and death came at Bondi from a millenial Christian. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Frank on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:02pm
Bondi 'bollard heroes' describe face-off with killer in Westfield: 'He wasn't there'
French natives Damien Geurot and Silas Despreaux – dubbed the 'bollard heroes' – had just arrived at the centre on Saturday when Joel Cauchi launched his attack. Two "absolute heroes" who risked their lives to try and block Bondi Junction mass murderer Joel Cauchi from stabbing more victims have described the harrowing moment they came face to face with the "empty-eyed" killer. French natives Damien Geurot and Silas Despreaux had just arrived at the centre on Saturday when the horrifying attack unravelled. The duo, both tradies, spared no thought for their own safety when they sprung into action, attempting to block Cauchi with bollards from his killing spree. The pair are among several members of the public and security staff who risked their lives on the day and likely prevented more victims of the crazed killer, who was eventually shot dead by lone NSW Police officer Amy Scott. I just thought, we need something to catch him," Geurot said. "We didn't think, you cannot think in that moment — it's just like adrenaline. His eyes were like empty eyes, he wasn't there." Despite his incredible bravery, Despreaux, who joined his mate in trying to fight back against the knifeman, told the network; "I'm not going to lie, I was scared. But you cannot just stay away and not do anything," he said. "He was just determined to kill people." |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:02pm So, a white aussie killed a Muslim? Oh dear :( |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Frank on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:03pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:02pm:
What are you on about, despicable turd? |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by JC Denton on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:06pm
if he had never migrated to australia at all, he would still be alive right now
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Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:08pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:02pm:
Just so, Greggery. Faraz came to our country and took on a job to help keep us safe. He was stabbed to death by an Aussie in a Wallabies jersey. First day on the job. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:09pm Frank wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:03pm:
A white aussie killed an innocent Muslim man in Bondi on the weekend. I'm pretty sure it's been on the news. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:10pm JC Denton wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:06pm:
His family back home may well agree, JC. But then, who would secure our shopping centres? You? |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Bobby. on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:11pm
Poor guy -
in a low paid rubbish job where he can't even carry pepper spray but he's expected to take on a knife attacker with his bare hands. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Frank on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:12pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:09pm:
Well, a swarthy killed a Muslim security guard who provided no security. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:16pm chimera wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 7:59pm:
So sad. If only there were more who valued life, like Faraz Tahir. He died responding and protecting ordinary people like us. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:17pm Frank wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:12pm:
He died during his first day on the job. What have you done lately? |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by JC Denton on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:21pm Karnal wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:10pm:
didn't sound like he was very effective at securing our shopping centres to be honest with you |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:23pm
It was the first of days.... it was the last of days......
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Title: Re: First day on the job Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:23pm Karnal wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:08pm:
Thus, all Aussie Wallabies fans are terrorists. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by JC Denton on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:24pm
most security guards - such as those ones you see loitering out the front of woolworths and coles - are hired to bring down insurance premiums, not to actually provide security. in fact they are explicitly told to not engage anyone in violent situations like this or attempt to apprehend shoplifters at all. it's an entirely artificial phenomenon that's only made possible due to sketchy security contractors who offer up underpaid migrants who in exchange get permanent residency or work rights at the end of it as part of the package deal. i don't recall ever seeing security guards in australia to the extent that you do now prior to around ~2016 or so.
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Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Frank on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:24pm Karnal wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:17pm:
He provided NO security. Nor his mate, now in hospital. These security guards prove to be totally useless. It's a do **** all job. I have never seen a shopping centre security guard I would trust to provide any security. And so it proved in this instance. Useless. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by it_is_the_light on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:25pm
Was the perp a normal homo ass
bandit or a tranny ? |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:26pm JC Denton wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:21pm:
I don't know about you, but a first day on the job is generally about getting aquainted with the workplace. Toilets, fire exits, time sheets, expectations, code of conduct, etc. Where do you work? |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by JC Denton on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:26pm Frank wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:24pm:
the only purpose of these roles is to bring down the supermarket insurance premiums and provide legal liability. they are not supposed to engage in this kind of behaviour at all - i've seen shoplifters just walk out with trolleys full of sh1t and the security guards just stood there and let them. stuff that requires real security - like embassies, armoured cars, casinos etc have armed security guards that are actually tough and will f_ck you up if you instigate trouble. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by it_is_the_light on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:27pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:23pm:
So all homos want to strip in front of children like the trannies ? |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:29pm it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:25pm:
He was a white, Aussie, Wallabies fan. Thus, all white Aussie Wallabies fans are terrorists. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:29pm Frank wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:24pm:
Sorry? How do you think he got killed? |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:30pm it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:27pm:
Ask Bobby. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Frank on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:31pm JC Denton wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:26pm:
Well, not after incidents like this, proving 'security guards' to be totally useless or even liabilities. Somebody is going to sued for not providing a safe workplace for a security guard. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:32pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:29pm:
Kangaroo not Wallaby ... stay off it ... |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:33pm Frank wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:31pm:
Their job is to watch and report - they have no powers of arrest over and above that of ordinary citizens. I used to work with a company run by two ex-Commandos - that was different... |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:36pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:11pm:
Indeed he did. He just graduated from security guard college. First day on the job. With his bare hands. Do you have anything to say to your Master? |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:39pm
Did he die doing what he loved best?
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Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:40pm Frank wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:31pm:
No, we're here to honour him, his first day. Faraz Tahir gave his life to save others. Say his name. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Setanta on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:41pm
Re: First day on the job
but not the first night? :-/ It was his first day shift. Either way kudos to him. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:43pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:39pm:
No one loves confronting knife-wielding crazies on escalators, unarmed. No one. And yet, Faraz Tahir did this. Can you say his name? |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:45pm
Ya gotta learn to use your feet..... never wrestle the prick - just take him down...
I have the BEST walking stick.... FORE!!! ... five.... six.... seven ..... eight ....knee... elbow..... elbow.... ankle..... ankle..... position foot on neck and love tap to base of skull to keep 'im quiet... FOOOOORE! It's getting so everyone will have a baseball bat.... is that a .38 in your pocket or are you just pleased to see me......??? |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:47pm Karnal wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:43pm:
Easy - Faraz Tahir.... far as I know it's either tahir or tathere... |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Bobby. on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:47pm Karnal wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:36pm:
yes - master Light - what do you think? |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:50pm Setanta wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:41pm:
I agree, Setanta. Faraz came to our country, trained and got a job. A number of posters here say this is a bad thing. We shouldn't have people come here to fill vacant jobs, they say. They steal jobs from Aussies. And yet, those who say this are either immigrants themselves, retired, unemployed, on disability pensions or living overseas, taking foreigners' jobs. Faraz, 30, they won't say his name. It was his first day on the job. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:51pm
You sound triggered, Karnie.... bube! What's wrong? Someone annoying you by getting under YOUR skin?... Karmann Ghia's a bitch....
Years of snide remarks and it comes down to this..... sad to see what was once a fine figure of a Paki fall so low so fast...... |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:53pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:47pm:
Just so. And you'd like him to rest in peace, am I right? |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:56pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:51pm:
You feel for his family, am I right? As JC said, if he never came here he never would died this way. First day on the job, first day of the rest of his life. You acknowledge the sheer, senseless tragedy of that, yes? |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Setanta on Apr 15th, 2024 at 9:02pm Karnal wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:50pm:
No, it was his first day shift. You're not suggesting night shift workers not be paid their daily dues are you? It was not his first day on the job, it was unfortunately his last. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 15th, 2024 at 9:08pm Setanta wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 9:02pm:
I most certainly am not. If this is so, consider this thread edited. The truth is important here, Setanta. Thank you for the correction. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Frank on Apr 15th, 2024 at 9:09pm
So what did he actually do?
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Title: Re: First day shift on the job Post by Frank on Apr 15th, 2024 at 9:10pm Frank wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 9:09pm:
To stop the killer? Does anyone know? |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 15th, 2024 at 9:11pm Frank wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 9:09pm:
Say his name. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Setanta on Apr 15th, 2024 at 9:14pm Karnal wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 9:08pm:
Absolutely, we can do without hyperbole, no? His actions speak well enough. |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Frank on Apr 15th, 2024 at 9:15pm
What did Faraz do to stop the killer?
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Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Setanta on Apr 15th, 2024 at 9:17pm Frank wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 9:15pm:
Well I doubt he got himself knifed running away. That's enough for me. |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 15th, 2024 at 9:20pm
They do, Setanta. A refugee came to our country, got a job and got stabbed to death. We offered him a brand new start.
Ultimately, we couldn't help with that, but we don't have to trash his memory. We're free to say his name, no? |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Frank on Apr 15th, 2024 at 9:26pm Setanta wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 9:17pm:
Well, he wasn't providing security. He probably thought the job was to walk around in a uniform. TWO Pakistani security guards were stabbed, six people killed, another 18 injured. It took a policewoman and two French guys to confront the bozo. |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Setanta on Apr 15th, 2024 at 9:49pm Frank wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 9:26pm:
If he stood up to the knifer, he was providing security. He may not have succeeded but if he was not trying to provide that security and ran away, I dare say he may be alive today. There is no evidence to doubt he acted to put himself in the way. That he didn't succeed in taking him down is not a dishonour to him, just as it's not a dishonour for any of our servicemen that have paid the same price but never succeeded to overcome their foe themselves. |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Bobby. on Apr 15th, 2024 at 9:54pm Poor guy - in a low paid rubbish job where he can't even carry pepper spray but he's expected to take on a knife attacker with his bare hands. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Baronvonrort on Apr 15th, 2024 at 10:07pm JC Denton wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:06pm:
The Ahmadis are considered deviant heretical non muslims in Pakistan. Quote:
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Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Baronvonrort on Apr 15th, 2024 at 10:12pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 9:54pm:
Having worked in security you're nothing more than a visual deterrent you don't have any real legal power to do anything Security guards can be charged with assault. It wasn't always like this i recall police telling me it's ok to take them out the back and bash the crap out of them times have changed. |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Bobby. on Apr 15th, 2024 at 10:21pm Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 10:12pm:
I had a security guard as my next door neighbor once. He was in awful trouble in court after he punched a drunk only once who had punched him first. The drunk was knocked unconsciousness and nearly died. The cops charged my neighbor with grievous bodily harm. I'm not sure of the outcome as I moved soon after. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by JC Denton on Apr 15th, 2024 at 11:02pm Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 10:07pm:
so that means he had to move to australia specifically did it? no safe countries between here and pakistan? |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Jasin on Apr 15th, 2024 at 11:03pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:29pm:
You dickhead loser. It's a 'Kangaroos NRLeague jersey', not an ARUnion Wallabies jersey. ::) Also - does he, although 'white' represent your typical 'Palestinian' Terrorist in his 'behaviour'? I think so. ;) |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 15th, 2024 at 11:06pm Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 10:12pm:
This is true. Times have changed. And yet, all Faraz Tahir did was try to stop a killer. Say his name. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 15th, 2024 at 11:08pm JC Denton wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 11:02pm:
Good question, JC. Why did Faraz choose to call Australia home? And a supplimentary: why did you leave? |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Jasin on Apr 15th, 2024 at 11:18pm Karnal wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:50pm:
Well he did escape his country because he was GAY !!! Coming here to OZGAYLIA where its safe and he wouldn't feel persecuted and attacked. So he got a job where, like many jobs - the first day is the hardest and he got a disgrunted customer straight up like a Palestinian upset that the Plaza was run and owned by Jews. Of course there are those who would have been angry at the sight of this man and his sickly shuffle of endorphined numbness for he himself was 'at peace' with his killing, knowing he was going to die because of it. They would have taken him out quite viciously and effectively - if given the chance. Just a pure 'reflex' action of knowing 'that violence'. Fear is the Mind Killer and most wouldn't be able to think fast enough and thus - faced with the 'impossible', many hesitated, were confused, stunned and of course - scared of the 'legal' repercussions if they did anything at all. Do you think Israeli people would have stopped him far earlier and more effectively? I mean - they cop that stuff at least once a week in the middle-east, didn't you all know? Me? ...well, I would have got out 'my knife'. ;) |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Apr 15th, 2024 at 11:55pm Karnal wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 9:20pm:
What makes you imagine that people here haven't been praising his efforts? Chip on the shoulder? Is that what's behind all the snide remarks over the years that you thought were so funny and I always thought you were joking about...... just your soft underbelly of an inferiority complex? Shoe on the other foot not so good, eh? No more snide remarks about yabbying that I described as an outstanding skill of this bloke... and on you went forever as if I'd said that was all he was good for.... Life ain't fair.... so try to be fair to others. Now - SHOW us who's trashing his memory? Or is that another thing all in your head, like yabbying smart comments? |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Apr 16th, 2024 at 12:00am JC Denton wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 11:02pm:
That'll require some thought - I'd say none that were particularly accepting of Muslim Pakis... they've killed Indians ad Banglas and Sris - I doubt the Thais or Viets or Cambos want them.... Malaysia is a bit funny and parochial... Indonesia is mostly a dangerous shot-hole full of sects that hate one another.... NuGinnee the natives eat you if the Karpassus don't shoot you.... I guess it was here or Nu Zulland.... Now we here online - how are we supposed to 'say' his name? Yell through the computer? Poor old Karnie is being sensitive for a change - and it hurts apparently. :-? |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Apr 16th, 2024 at 12:10am
OMG - where's Smith and Laugher and mothra? Swept up in the non-sweep following this non-conspiracy event or something? Sitting in a cold cell at Gondwanamo waiting to find out why they are there? What do those faceless security people have on them this time?
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Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Bias_2012 on Apr 16th, 2024 at 1:04am
And it looks like a muzzo just attacked an Assyrian priest in Western Sydney
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Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Jasin on Apr 16th, 2024 at 2:11am
Wasn't he a Christian Priest attacked by a Moslem?
Should be some 'riots' soon. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Apr 16th, 2024 at 2:19am Karnal wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:53pm:
Why would you even ask me that? Haven't you kept up at all over the years? Are you another mothra - so dense you couldn't tell the difference between some kind of racial hatred and a reasonable position ... just another fanatic let loose in public and blind in both eyes to anything outside your own head and only seeing what you want to see? Review your yabbying BS for years now.... WTF is wrong with YOU? Are you a smith or laughing boy who just thinks it's funny to get at people all the time? And now you want to cry not only to us but about us all again when we've all said nothing but positives for that guard guy? Are you, the village idiot, smithy, and moth-eaten all the same person playing silly buggars with yourself? Mighty familiar in some ways... like some smacking kid which you all probably are!! Re-tried for another village idiot:- Did he die doing what he loved best? The bloody knife man, you idiot!! They were both mentioned, funnily enough!! Sometimes you fools really piss me off..... argue the leg off a table... and ruin my country with it... |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Apr 16th, 2024 at 2:20am Jasin wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 2:11am:
Didn't have a rope or a telegraph pole close enough.... these are Assyrian Christians - they hold different views from other Christians... |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Jasin on Apr 16th, 2024 at 2:27am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 2:19am:
Nah. F_uck slimy Karnal the filthy sex-tourist of Thailand and his Mattyfisking sarcasms of pissing in your pocket one moment, to having his hand in your pocket going for a reach around. Just because one of the victims was a very 'GAY' Pakistani having his first day on the job. He was probably a covert Paki Terrorist himself. All Moslems are TERRORISTS. It's a 'Group Mentality' - one in, all in. They're ALL terrorists. |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Jasin on Apr 16th, 2024 at 2:34am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 2:20am:
Well maybe there will be riots, maybe not. The reason the Cronulla Riots whipped up 10,000 to belt any bloke who looked like an Arab-Moslem, was because it had nothing to do with 'Christianity' - it was something 'new' to Moslems: bashing a Surf-lifesaver on a beach by Moslems was worse than attacking Christians. The Cronulla Riots presented a 'new' attack against Moslems. They were so confused and lost against this 10,000 Cronulla onslaught - they started attacking Christian Churches (Vandalism, bullet holes) as it was basically all that they 'knew' really to justify everything in their Moslem existence and right to commit violence. ...getting their arses kicked by a 'culture' of people who prioritised the 'Ocean' way of life over any 'Religion', kinda scared and shook them up a bit. Even the Police and Media had to rig up 'fake Riot Leaders' to publicly bring them down as if they now had 'control' on the Riots. The Police and Media couldn't cope with Australians going 'free-for-all' beyond their Political and Media narrative 'control'. ;D |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by chimera on Apr 16th, 2024 at 6:36am
The Christian knife-man was Muslim.
The security defender died being a terrorist. Bondi is Hamas. Police are Russians. Albo is Chinese. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 16th, 2024 at 8:56am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 2:19am:
Triggered you, did it? |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Sophia on Apr 16th, 2024 at 9:32am Setanta wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 9:49pm:
Well said Set. I doubt he and the other security guard had knife wounds to their backs running away. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Sophia on Apr 16th, 2024 at 9:47am Karnal wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:50pm:
Faraz, like many others from different parts of the world, are actually brought in for work many don’t want to do. Most prefer to have a job working from home on the computer whilst wearing pyjamas. Where my husband works, desperately need mechanics… for quite some time, and hubby and a couple others being old school mechanics were under the pump as no one comes forth. Why? I’ve seen this sign of an unfilled job position in my locality for over 6 months now “apprentice mechanic wanted” Now back to where hubby works… huge place, many vehicles…. so few mechanics…. Then necessarily a couple years of red tape and $25,000 payment for each mechanic to come over from the Phillipines. Now the company has 6 of these imported amazing mechanics. Big sigh of relief. They are excellent workers and show a lot of gratitude for acceptance into this “lucky” country. Tradies, they get the job done, physically pro-active, keep the wheels of Oz moving. Without which, the country would come to a standstill. Even the 2 frenchies that faced the knife wielding perp were tradies. Pro active tradies. Fit, young, strong….and brave. And why not give them permanent residency here in Oz? |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Sophia on Apr 16th, 2024 at 9:48am
Boomp…
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Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Gnads on Apr 16th, 2024 at 10:35am Karnal wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 7:50pm:
Meanwhile an Assyrian Christian Bishop has been stabbed 4 times and another man also stabbed inside a church in Fairfield. Wonder who would do that? |
Title: Faraz Tahir Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2024 at 10:39am May he rest in peace. Poor bugger. He was only 30 years old. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Gnads on Apr 16th, 2024 at 10:57am JC Denton wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:06pm:
Might the Pakistani guy be here because he was gay? .... his Muslim mates back home would more than likely throw him from the top of a tall building for that. I'm not sure I believe he was a refugee from religious persecution because his Ahmadiyya Islamic sect follows the 5 Pillars of Islam, 6 Articles of Faith and Prophet Muhammad, the same as the others. Ahmadi Muslims also follow the Islamic sources of guidance and jurisprudence – which is sourced from three main authorities: The Holy Qur’an; The Sunnah (practice of the Holy Prophet) and The Hadith (sayings of the Holy Prophet as given in the authentic books of Hadith such as Sahih Al Bukhari, Sahih Al Muslim, Sunan Abu Daud,Tirmidhi, Ibne Maja and Nisai. The key difference is that Ahmadi Muslims believe that the Promised Messiah (also referred to as the Mahdi in some texts) of the latter days has arrived and he established the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community in 1889. It is a revivalist movement that has no new religious laws or teachings as it seeks to rejuvenate the true Islam as taught by the Holy Prophet Muhammad. Other Muslims are still waiting for a reformer to come. So the difference between them Sunni & Shia is negligible. If anything this sect could be more fundamentalist. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Gnads on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:04am greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:09pm:
Not just a muslim man ... there were 6 others killed ... mostly females that he was targeting. Old mate was collateral damage. Oh dear how selective Peccar. ::) |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Gnads on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:07am greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:29pm:
Was it a Wallabies jersey of a Kangaroos jersey? |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:08am Gnads wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:04am:
Did a white aussie murder an innocent Muslim man in Bondi on the weekend? |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:10am
All Mussos are not terrorists but all terrorists are Mussos....
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Title: Re: A brand new day Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:11am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:10am:
Tell that bullshit to the 51 Muslims murdered by a terrorist in Christchurch. |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:13am
Why are you rat-bag Musso lovers making this about his religion?
Little bit of the old pot stirring? Is there a point to this stupidity? So what if he's a Musso minority gay puncher from Pakistan where the worst Mussos come from - even into Afghanistan? Show me where someone went at him for being another stinking Musso? The suggestion was - and valid given the 'look' - that the killer could be a Musso taking after 'Jews' because of his build, colouring, hair and beard and method of attack. Why are YOU carrying on about the guard like a pack of whinging sheilas again? |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Gnads on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:13am Karnal wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 8:56pm:
Why are you just focusing on Faraz Tahir? 6 others died & more wounded ..... 2 other Frenchmen tried to slow him down. Are you dirty they didn't make the ultimate sacrifice like Faraz? So are they any less heros for surviving? Female copper took him out ... what about her effort? |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:15am greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:11am:
Stick to the subject at hand.... you are obsessed. get over Trump and Christchurch - from which latter I recall not a single word of support for Tarrant other than that such an event, given the numerous incidents BY Muslims worldwide - was inevitable. It WAS inevitable at some time.... and still could happen if Mussos are allowed to get away with other vile acts. |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Gnads on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:15am greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:11am:
Why didn't you mention Trump whilst you're at it? How many non Muslims died in 9/11? You're dettthspiccable Daffy. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Gnads on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:19am Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 10:07pm:
Yet except that they believe their reformer is already here & the others don't there's no difference in their belief. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:21am Gnads wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:13am:
This is a thread about the security guard who lost his life on his first day-shift. Thus, it seems apt to be focusing on Faraz Tahir as he's the security guard who lost his life on his first day-shift. |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:22am Gnads wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:15am:
Was the terrorist who murdered 51 Muslims in Christchurch a Muslim? |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:24am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:15am:
I am. You said: "All Mussos are not terrorists but all terrorists are Mussos". That's complete & utter bullshit. For example, the terrorist who murdered 51 Muslims in Christchurch was not a Muslim. |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Frank on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:24am
Anthony Albanese has declared a French national who fought off Bondi Junction attacker Joel Cauchi with a bollard is “welcome to stay for as long as you like”, following revelations his visa is due to expire.
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Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Gnads on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:27am greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:08am:
He murdered 7 people, one of whom was a Muslim & wounded a heap more.... You focus on the Muslim trying to make a point but you're really just being a prat. Trump, Trump, Trump along the highway, we're off to see the Bruce of Lerhmann. ;D |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:27am Frank wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:24am:
Nice one, Albo [smiley=beer.gif] |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Gnads on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:28am greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:22am:
Your point being? |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:28am Gnads wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:27am:
Did a white aussie murder an innocent Muslim man in Bondi on the weekend? A simple yes or no will suffice. |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:29am Gnads wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:28am:
My point being Grappler has no idea what hes' talking about: "All Mussos are not terrorists but all terrorists are Mussos....". Wrong. Not even close. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Gnads on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:33am greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:21am:
This thread is this, this thread is that ..... the focus should be all the people in the shopping centre that were killed or injured. Singling one person out for special attention is just a click baiting exercise by KarnalKhunt and you. Trump trump trump.... tsk tsk tsk. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Gnads on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:35am greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:28am:
Hows a simple get buggered? Does that suffice? No flag on offer either. |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Frank on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:41am greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:24am:
The guttersnipe who stabbed the bishop is Muslim. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:59am Gnads wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:33am:
This thread is about a migrant to our country who was slain on his first day shift. The beginning of a new day, a new life. We feel so bad for his family and his friends. We're so sorry this happened to a such a good man, with so much hope and promise. You? |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Bias_2012 on Apr 16th, 2024 at 12:15pm Frank wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:24am:
That was stupidly irresponsible of Albosqueaky ... It sends the wrong message, the guy may not want to be encouraged to engage in violence, and that's what it does |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 16th, 2024 at 1:17pm Bias_2012 wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 12:15pm:
We decide who comes to our country, Bias, and the circumstances in which they come. |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Apr 16th, 2024 at 5:51pm
Looks like Bruce .........
Poor buggar... doing his best .... |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Apr 16th, 2024 at 5:54pm Frank wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:41am:
We're not talking about the Christchurch Murderer... is a revenge attack an act of terror? We need to review this carefully:- Definition of terrorism in Australian law 5.5 Terrorism in Commonwealth law is defined as an act or threat that is intended to: advance a political, ideological or religious cause; and coerce or intimidate an Australian or foreign government or the public (or section of the public ), including foreign public. |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Apr 16th, 2024 at 5:56pm Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 1:17pm:
Not our fault that Albo snuck through.... I blame the Immigration people and Al Grasby (The Spiv) ... YOU? Let's be honest - things have only gone downhill since he arrived here...... |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 16th, 2024 at 6:05pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 5:56pm:
I think you're rather underestimating the role of the Fraser government, dear. They're the ones who discovered all those Cold War emigres from the Soviet Bloc tended to vote Liberal. Of course, immigration was totally bipartisan up until Howard and Reith made stuff up about moms throwing their kiddies overboard, remember? Despicable stuff, no? |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by JC Denton on Apr 17th, 2024 at 12:06am
anthony albanese loves handing out visas
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Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Gnads on Apr 17th, 2024 at 6:43am Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2024 at 11:59am:
Such feigned melodramatics. You don't know a single thing about him albeit that he's a Pakistani immigrant and it was his first day on the job. That doesn't put him on a platform above a single person who also were killed or injured. A nine month old baby was stabbed 3 times in the stomach .... it's not out of the woods yet. >:( |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by JC Denton on Apr 17th, 2024 at 2:11pm Gnads wrote on Apr 17th, 2024 at 6:43am:
rubbish, if he had done something to try to stop the killer and was killed in the process that would make his situation different from someone getting randomly killed |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Gordon on Apr 17th, 2024 at 2:14pm Karnal wrote on Apr 15th, 2024 at 7:50pm:
So he comes from the sect of Islam that all other muslims want to kill. Fascinating. |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by JC Denton on Apr 17th, 2024 at 2:15pm
why is that fascinating at all
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Title: Re: A brand new day Post by chimera on Apr 17th, 2024 at 2:48pm
Woman dies from health drink. A victim of the Mahommed Mushroom Mosque, she was attacked by the Mullah Imam type mushroom. A clergyman went down to a mushroom beef-wellington and now terror strikes. Local garden-gnomes of Middle East appearance are being questioned with no right to remain silent.
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Title: Re: A brand new day Post by JC Denton on Apr 17th, 2024 at 3:58pm chimera wrote on Apr 17th, 2024 at 2:48pm:
post something relevant to the conversation for once you're like an LLM bot that's been programmed to pretend it has schizophrenia |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by chimera on Apr 17th, 2024 at 4:43pm
Islamic mushrooms (peace be upon them, RIP) are best finely chopped, diced and hammered. Saute' in French Crusader champagne and explode with plastic hexahydro-1,3,5-trinitro-1,3,5-triazine. Die for the cause! That's not a knife.
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Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 17th, 2024 at 6:36pm Gnads wrote on Apr 17th, 2024 at 6:43am:
Feigned? The Bondi Junction Mall is lined with flowers. No one's feigning a thing, dear. This thread was added to counter a nasty little rumour started by you-know-who. |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 17th, 2024 at 6:36pm Gordon wrote on Apr 17th, 2024 at 2:14pm:
Ah. Look what the cat dragged in. |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 17th, 2024 at 6:38pm JC Denton wrote on Apr 17th, 2024 at 2:15pm:
It's fascinating because Gordon's so not-racist, JC. He's only against the Muslim immigrants. So old fashioned, no? |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Jasin on Apr 17th, 2024 at 6:48pm
He's a Moslem. So he got a dose of his own 'terrorist' medicine.
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Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 17th, 2024 at 7:13pm Jasin wrote on Apr 17th, 2024 at 6:48pm:
So you're celebrating the stabbing of a Muslim here, are you? In Australia? Can you clarify that? |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Jasin on Apr 17th, 2024 at 7:16pm Karnal wrote on Apr 17th, 2024 at 7:13pm:
Sure thing Terrorist lover. He's a Moslem - that means he's a Terrorist as all Moslems exhibit proudly their 'group' mentality in unison and don't condemn the Terrorist actions of their own kind. Rarely will you see one stand up against it 'formerly and officially' (in fear of their lives). So therefore - he's a Terrorist and he got a dose of his own medicine. No sympathy from me. Tough luck. Move along, nothing to see here folks. |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 17th, 2024 at 7:33pm Jasin wrote on Apr 17th, 2024 at 7:16pm:
He died protecting people from a killer. And you think he's to blame? Sorry, I may have missed something here. Can you confirm this? You think Muslims should be stabbed to death, is that right? |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by chimera on Apr 17th, 2024 at 7:36pm Jasin wrote on Apr 17th, 2024 at 6:48pm:
That's off Rushcutters Bay, where convicts and Aboriginals had an exchange of opinions / medicine. |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 17th, 2024 at 7:50pm chimera wrote on Apr 17th, 2024 at 7:36pm:
A poster here is celebrating the murder of a 30 year old man in broad daylight because he's Muslim. How does that sit with you as a member of this board, Chimera? |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by chimera on Apr 17th, 2024 at 7:56pm
Any links to Jasin's address? He gets one last meal, cigarette then blindfold and bullet.
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Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Jasin on Apr 17th, 2024 at 8:01pm
Typical 'Terrorist' reaction.
I stand affirmed like a hard-on. |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 17th, 2024 at 9:04pm chimera wrote on Apr 17th, 2024 at 7:56pm:
He's an immigrant, actually. We welcomed him into our country with open arms. Sure, we said, come join our rich, multicultural tapestry. To think this is the type we've let in. Unbelievable. But no, we won't truck with any violence, Chimera. This would be unthinkable. We're above such tactics. We're Aussies. |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Apr 17th, 2024 at 9:07pm
We need a heap of them Paki guards at Alice Springs now that the curfew has been lifted....
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Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Apr 17th, 2024 at 9:08pm chimera wrote on Apr 17th, 2024 at 7:36pm:
Cultural interaction..... |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Grappler Truth Teller Feller on Apr 17th, 2024 at 9:19pm Karnal wrote on Apr 17th, 2024 at 6:36pm:
Actually have no idea WTF you are talking about.... you that is.... who said anything against the Paki guard here? I didn't see it.... any references to Islamites was with regard to the appearance of Clarrie Woodridge from Lightning Ridge.... the knife killer asshole who looked just like a Musso for his false flag op.... Joey Moomba from Toowoomba... If they hadn't wanted a white-eye scapegoat this time, they'd have chosen someone who was an actual Musselman... easy to find those... but if this guy had gotten away and that lady cop hadn't gunned him down for ID. .... it would have been "Mad Musso Strikes Bondi J! Horrendous knife attack kills seven and wounds baby!" Clearly she was not in the loop for this black op to start the war to end all wars.... bring on the demand to round up the Usual Suspects and deposit them all in Gondwanamo Bay .... BTW .... where's Smithy and mothra and laughing boy? Swept up in the the aftermath of this conspiracy attack? Under interrogation.... in a quiet place? Footsteps in the hollow sounding corridor outside... will they stop at this door... or move on...... tick... tock... tick.... tock .... is Pill next on the list??? I wonder.... Karnal? Or too hard to ID in the crowd out there... all look like cousins or something.... probably all brothers and sisters...good thing about being a Musso is you can introduce your mother and your sister all at the one time... and your dad and your uncle too .... it's not that complicated .... |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Jasin on Apr 17th, 2024 at 9:21pm
Karnal Fiskers
Wants all Moslem Terrorists to go around killing innocents. But if one of them gets killed - we must send in the flowers. ::) |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 17th, 2024 at 9:27pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 17th, 2024 at 9:07pm:
We do. JC said just that. We're inviting in all these Pakistani security guards, he said, where were they at Westfields? There they are, we said. He was one of the first killed. First day shift on the job, first day of the rest of his life. Faraz Tahir. Can you say his name? Imagine, we have members here who celebrate his murder. Just when you think you've heard everything, you hear that. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 17th, 2024 at 9:32pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 17th, 2024 at 9:19pm:
Who said anything about Muslims? Oh, dear, you don't want to know... Here's who started the ball rolling. Surprise surprise, no? Gordon wrote on Apr 13th, 2024 at 5:20pm:
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Title: Re: A brand new day Post by chimera on Apr 17th, 2024 at 9:34pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 17th, 2024 at 9:08pm:
Absolutely. Cultured British fire-arms were especially admired by the other culture. On bended knees they prayed to have white skins. |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 17th, 2024 at 9:36pm Jasin wrote on Apr 17th, 2024 at 9:21pm:
We have sent in flowers. From all over our city, people have spontaneously delivered them to Bondi Junction mall in person. That's just the kind of people we are. We're Sydney-siders. We come from everywhere, but we look after our own. |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Jasin on Apr 17th, 2024 at 10:02pm
Moslem Terrorist gets killed by non-moslem Terrorist.
Meh. Move along, nothing to see. ...except Karnal Matty trying to make others feel guilty if they didn't express sympathy for his Paki Moslem Terrorist. ::) |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 17th, 2024 at 10:08pm Jasin wrote on Apr 17th, 2024 at 10:02pm:
You dig yourself in worse with every post you make. You're almost as bad as the cactus-rapist. Thing is, I doubt you'll find too many friends. Sure, perhaps Gonads and the old boy want to agree with you, but they have a semblance of civilised decorum to not. You're out on your own JaSin. Do you know? You've surprised even me, and I'm an experienced poster here, I've seen it all. Your views here take the cake. |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Frank on Apr 18th, 2024 at 8:03am
They are the unsung heroes of the Bondi Junction Westfield stabbings, and one of them paid for his bravery with his life – but there has been no “bollard man” offer of permanent residency to the wounded survivor, Pakistani security guard Muhammad Taha.
When Mr Taha and colleague Faraz Tahir confronted knife-wielding Joel Cauchi as he began a murderous rampage at the shopping centre on Saturday, Mr Tahir was stabbed to death and Mr Taha was badly wounded. Bondi Junction Westfield security guard, Muhammad Taha, lies in hospital following stabbing injury. Picture: Supplied Bondi Junction Westfield security guard, Muhammad Taha, lies in hospital following stabbing injury. Picture: Supplied Yet unlike the recognition for Frenchman Damien Guerot, there has been no prime ministerial offer to Mr Taha - whose graduate visa is due to expire in less than a month – to stay in Australia “for as long he likes”. In his first interview since being stabbed on Saturday, Mr Taha told The Australian from his hospital bed that the two men had been together when they saw people running “Faraz moved to assess the situation and to save the people; all of a sudden the guy came out. “Faraz confronted him and was stabbed. After that, he jumped on me. I tried to defend but got stabbed,” Mr Taha said. “I informed (other security staff) on radio regarding the situation.” Mr Taha said he was on a subclass 476 visa – a “skilled … recognised graduate visa” – and it was expiring within a month. “Another individual, using a bollard, bravely attempted to stop the attacker and was subsequently offered residency by the Australian Prime Minister due to his courageous actions,” Mr Taha said. “Similarly, as a direct victim of the incident, I believe I deserve recognition and consideration for citizenship. As well, the guards working alongside came running towards the point of incident and risking their lives … (they) should be offered citizenship as well.” |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Gnads on Apr 18th, 2024 at 12:32pm JC Denton wrote on Apr 17th, 2024 at 2:11pm:
Ahhh the old "If"????? knifed and dead is knifed and dead & that makes none of the victims situation any different from the other. So what did he actually do? Wrestle with the bloke to try and get the knife off him????? Or simply walked up to him to tell him that he would be in trouble & to stop it?.... and got knifed for his trouble. You're just guessing. |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Gnads on Apr 18th, 2024 at 12:36pm Gordon wrote on Apr 17th, 2024 at 2:14pm:
That's the joke about Islam & it's sects ... they all hate each other .... Sunnis vs Shias vs AAhmadiyya. Yet the only real difference is the Ahmadiyya believe their redeemer has already arrived and the others are still waiting for theirs.... other than that they believe the exact same things. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Gnads on Apr 18th, 2024 at 12:40pm Karnal wrote on Apr 17th, 2024 at 6:36pm:
Yes there was more than one victim. Were you there to see exactly how Faraz Tahir died? Unless you were you don't know anything more about him than you do the other victims. And I'm not talking about his job description. |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by Gnads on Apr 18th, 2024 at 12:48pm Karnal wrote on Apr 17th, 2024 at 10:08pm:
Really? I don't need your backhanded compliments. |
Title: Re: A brand new day Post by mothra on Apr 19th, 2024 at 6:37am
You hateful bunch of arseholes.
No surprises. Faraz Tahir .... vale. The overwhelming majority of Australians mourn you. It's just this forum is stacked with the most reprehensible cowards imaginable. |
Title: Re: First day on the job Post by Mattyfisk on Apr 19th, 2024 at 9:38am Gnads wrote on Apr 18th, 2024 at 12:40pm:
Sorry? Are you saying he didn't come to our country, get a job and die on his first day shift? Are you trying to deny the basic facts here? Are you trying to suggest, like JaSin, that the death of a guest in our country wqas somehow a good thing? |
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