Brian Ross wrote on Apr 21^st, 2024 at 1:10pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 20th, 2024 at 1:11pm: Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 20th, 2024 at 6:38am: You're dealing with a mentally unstable person. Some get very repeatative, as they do in this forum. I am triggered by these sort of people just repeating themselves over and over. Brian just loads the forums with these articles and does not show any sense to add his own thoughts to the article, other than a "thumbs up" or "cool" emoji. And when we tear the article to threads, Brian has no other way of defence other than to post memes. Perhaps it was the years of fighting other posters on other forums that led Brian to lazily post these memes as a form of response. I post these memes because I am fed up with arguing with fools who do not know anything about the topic we are discussing, UnSub.  Some people refuse to learn, to acknowledge new research and findings and just stick to their old Racist beliefs.  They are WOFTAMs.  They are why Australia is holding Indigenous people to impossible levels of behaviour.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

What "impossible levels" Brian?

freediver wrote on Apr 21^st, 2024 at 5:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 21st, 2024 at 1:10pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 20th, 2024 at 1:11pm: Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 20th, 2024 at 6:38am: You're dealing with a mentally unstable person. Some get very repeatative, as they do in this forum. I am triggered by these sort of people just repeating themselves over and over. Brian just loads the forums with these articles and does not show any sense to add his own thoughts to the article, other than a "thumbs up" or "cool" emoji. And when we tear the article to threads, Brian has no other way of defence other than to post memes. Perhaps it was the years of fighting other posters on other forums that led Brian to lazily post these memes as a form of response. I post these memes because I am fed up with arguing with fools who do not know anything about the topic we are discussing, UnSub.  Some people refuse to learn, to acknowledge new research and findings and just stick to their old Racist beliefs.  They are WOFTAMs.  They are why Australia is holding Indigenous people to impossible levels of behaviour.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) What "impossible levels" Brian?

Let's answer Bbwian's question first.

freediver wrote on Apr 21^st, 2024 at 5:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 21st, 2024 at 1:10pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 20th, 2024 at 1:11pm: Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 20th, 2024 at 6:38am: You're dealing with a mentally unstable person. Some get very repeatative, as they do in this forum. I am triggered by these sort of people just repeating themselves over and over. Brian just loads the forums with these articles and does not show any sense to add his own thoughts to the article, other than a "thumbs up" or "cool" emoji. And when we tear the article to threads, Brian has no other way of defence other than to post memes. Perhaps it was the years of fighting other posters on other forums that led Brian to lazily post these memes as a form of response. I post these memes because I am fed up with arguing with fools who do not know anything about the topic we are discussing, UnSub.  Some people refuse to learn, to acknowledge new research and findings and just stick to their old Racist beliefs.  They are WOFTAMs.  They are why Australia is holding Indigenous people to impossible levels of behaviour.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::) What "impossible levels" Brian?

Brians statement is evidence to the patronising, misbelief in the noble savage ideal he applies to Aboriginal people. He treats them all as childlike and incapable living in a civilised society and adhering to laws and behavioral standards applicable to everyone else.

His little zoo exhibits.

You can only teach monkeys so much.

But they will always go back to basics.

Few hours ago I just banned BriYawn from Extremism Exposed Board upon the very same reasoning he shows to others.
Then he asked me 'why'?  ;D

https://www.noticer.news/aboriginal-axe-attacker-stabbed-to-death-home-invasion/

April 10   2024.

Aboriginal axe attacker, 29, is allegedly stabbed to death by grandfather
who defended himself during home invasion.


https://www.noticer.news/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/Featured-Image-5-1-1024x640.jpg


An Aboriginal home invader is dead after he and another masked man stormed a house armed with an axe, only for the sole occupant to fight back.

Trae Laurie, 29, a convicted armed robber with an Aboriginal flag tattoo under his eye, died of a stab wound to the chest on the verandah of a home in Kingscliff, NSW, on Tuesday night.

Police said the two home invaders broke into the property at about 8pm and attacked 66-year-old grandfather Allan Kerr with an axe, leaving him with a partially severed hand.

But Mr Kerr allegedly grabbed a knife in self-defence and fought back. He was found in his hallway semi-conscious by police and airlifted to Gold Coast University Hospital in a serious condition, but was stable after undergoing surgery on Wednesday morning.

The second attacker, beleived to be aged between 20 and 40, fled the scene and police urged him to hand himself in.

Detective Inspector Matt Zimmer, of Tweed-Byron police said: “It will be alleged the deceased and another unknown male have entered the premises with force and without consent, where they’ve confronted the occupant and struck him multiple times with an axe.

“There is evidence of a significant and violent confrontation that has taken place in the residence.”

He also said police would investigate whether Mr Kerr, a widower who he described as “frail” and lived alone, had acted lawfully and reasonable in relation to the threat posed to him.

It was too early to determine whether the violent home invasion was a case of mistaken identity or a robbery gone wrong.

Laurie previously served time in jail for a 2019 armed robbery, and faced court again in 2022 over an attack on a man on a ride-on mower at an Indigenous reserve outside of Tabulam.

@ Reply #5,

AUSTRALIA, 2024

When a police 'service' CANNOT protect law abiding, innocent citizens,
and when the Australian 'justice system' REFUSES to protect law abiding, innocent citizens [with deterrent sentences, in its courts],
Australians must pray to God, that He will choose, to protect them from harm and from the intents of wicked men.

Do you believe that bobby ?


.


Isaiah 59:1
Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
2  But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

Yadda wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2024 at 7:30pm:

@ Reply #5, AUSTRALIA, 2024 When a police 'service' CANNOT protect law abiding, innocent citizens, and when the Australian 'justice system' REFUSES to protect law abiding, innocent citizens [with deterrent sentences, in its courts], Australians must pray to God, that He will choose, to protect them from harm and from the intents of wicked men. Do you believe that bobby ? Isaiah 59:1 Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear: 2  But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

I believe that -

the only one who can save us is Jesus - no politicians or Judges will.

A group of 12 to 15-year-old girls has been accused of wreaking havoc and assaulting commuters on an Adelaide train line.  The group has been threatening and terrorising commuters on the Seaford train line for the past few weeks, 9 News reports.

The spokesperson said police were reviewing CCTV footage, and all three suspects had long brown hair and were aged between 12 and 15.  “One suspect was described as being of Aboriginal appearance,” the spokesperson said.

Trust me, I am a witch doctor:

From the Granuiad, of course.

There has never been a more exciting time to be disruptive.

Ngaree Blow is a Yorta-Yorta, Noonuccal, Goreng Goreng woman and doctor. She is currently working as the Director in First Nations Health at the University of Melbourne, as well as completing research at the Murdoch Children’s Research Institute in Melbourne.
:D
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/03/why-now-is-the-time-to-disrupt-the-colonialist-model-of-healthcare

Brian never explained what he meant.

Perhaps he applies the same logic to Aborigines as Muslims. He has no right or even ability to criticise what they do, and expecting them to obey the law is cultural imperialism. They are the noble savages that he wants to lock up in national parks so his grandchildren can come and take photos of them.

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 9:02pm:

Brian never explained what he meant. Perhaps he applies the same logic to Aborigines as Muslims. He has no right or even ability to criticise what they do, and expecting them to obey the law is cultural imperialism. They are the noble savages that he wants to lock up in national parks so his grandchildren can come and take photos of them.

Or maybe he doesn't see "them" as a "them"?

An utterly foreign concept to you and your cultivated audience however. Don't expect me to try to explain it to you.

Well - perhaps if they didn't see us as a 'them' .... that would help ...............

We don't expect you to be able to explain it.

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 21^st, 2024 at 1:10pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 20th, 2024 at 1:11pm: Captain Caveman wrote on Apr 20th, 2024 at 6:38am: You're dealing with a mentally unstable person. Some get very repeatative, as they do in this forum. I am triggered by these sort of people just repeating themselves over and over. Brian just loads the forums with these articles and does not show any sense to add his own thoughts to the article, other than a "thumbs up" or "cool" emoji. And when we tear the article to threads, Brian has no other way of defence other than to post memes. Perhaps it was the years of fighting other posters on other forums that led Brian to lazily post these memes as a form of response. I post these memes because I am fed up with arguing with fools who do not know anything about the topic we are discussing, UnSub.  Some people refuse to learn, to acknowledge new research and findings and just stick to their old Racist beliefs.  They are WOFTAMs.  They are why Australia is holding Indigenous people to impossible levels of behaviour.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

What "impossible levels" Brian?

Would you be racist if you referred to them as them rather than as indigenous people? Is that what you see as most important?

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 21^st, 2024 at 1:10pm:

Some people refuse to learn, to acknowledge new research and findings and just stick to their old Racist beliefs. They are WOFTAMs. They are why Australia is holding Indigenous people to impossible levels of behaviour.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  ::) ::)

In a story from history,
Sun Tzu successfully teaches the emperors concubines,
how to shun their 'lawlessness'.

When the concubines came to learn,     ...that Sun Tzu was a harsh teacher, they learned how to behave.
[....i.e. they learned that there could be, a severe consequence, for lawlessness.]

The concubines learned obedience.


WWW search......
sun tzu teaches the concubines
sun tzu training concubines
sun tzu concubine story

Australia is holding Indigenous people to impossible levels of behaviour.

Let me just correct that for you.... clearly we are unable to hold politicians, their staffers (at least 60 each - wow), and public servants to decent levels of behaviour.... why then would we consider even trying to get everyone else, or any special group, to behave in a decent  and reasonable manner?  BTW:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/calls-for-the-government-to-properly-address-indigenous-domestic-violence-crisis/vi-BB1mKq03?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=3d4c04f51e7241a9eb7635f721fb4637&ei=11&sc=shoreline#details

When you throw the rule book away... well - let's just say that Hamas (not Israel) murders pregnant babies in Gaza... (we take our grammar very seriously in the Third Reich ... I'm working on a list of the luminaries of The Ozpol Third Reich movie)...


SturmAbteilung Leader Ernst Roehm - John "Head Kicker" Smith

Deputy Fuhrer Hermann Hess - Brian Ross

Propaganda Minister Goebbels - the great divide

SS Leader Heinrich Himmler - mothra

Woolly headed theorist Alfred Rosenberg - Greggary Peccary/possibly great divide

Adolph Hitler - FTLW or LTYC if we can ever sign them up ... might have to settle for Sad Kangaroo....

Hermann Goering - Monk

Winston Churchill - freediver/The Grappler

FDR - Sofia/Gnads


Casting is such hard work.... gotta find a spot for Rocky and a few others... never in the field of human complexity has so much been owed by so many to so few ....

mothra wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 4:09am:

freediver wrote on May 21st, 2024 at 9:02pm: Brian never explained what he meant. Perhaps he applies the same logic to Aborigines as Muslims. He has no right or even ability to criticise what they do, and expecting them to obey the law is cultural imperialism. They are the noble savages that he wants to lock up in national parks so his grandchildren can come and take photos of them. Or maybe he doesn't see "them" as a "them"? An utterly foreign concept to you and your cultivated audience however. Don't expect me to try to explain it to you.

They see themselves as "them", as apart from other Australians.

Frank wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 9:38am:

mothra wrote on May 22nd, 2024 at 4:09am: freediver wrote on May 21st, 2024 at 9:02pm: Brian never explained what he meant. Perhaps he applies the same logic to Aborigines as Muslims. He has no right or even ability to criticise what they do, and expecting them to obey the law is cultural imperialism. They are the noble savages that he wants to lock up in national parks so his grandchildren can come and take photos of them. Or maybe he doesn't see "them" as a "them"? An utterly foreign concept to you and your cultivated audience however. Don't expect me to try to explain it to you. They see themselves as "them", as apart from other Australians.

And as I suggested below - they see us as a 'them' as well.  It's amazing how the self-willed blind always see from one side but not the other. 

It is not 'we' modern Australians, with a few exceptions, who view them as non-Australian - they do that to themselves - it's an exercise in their own personal sovereignty as I've explained to dividie over and over... choice-mobile.... their choices, not ours, same as choosing to stick with the 'traditional lifestyle' rather than moving into the modern era.

I have asked Brian to give his opinion on what it is that he thinks are impossible standards for aborigines to follow. He has not responded.

Again - for perspective:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/nt-coroner-nearing-the-end-of-domestic-violence-inquiry/vi-BB1mOqqZ?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=7ee1b8b7dc1a4311d36338b645660776&ei=6&sc=shoreline#details

"Of the 81 women killed in domestic violence incidents in the NT since 2000, 76 were from First Nations communities."

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 2:43pm:

Again - for perspective:- https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/nt-coroner-nearing-the-end-of-domestic-violence-inquiry/vi-BB1mOqqZ?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=7ee1b8b7dc1a4311d36338b645660776&ei=6&sc=shoreline#details "Of the 81 women killed in domestic violence incidents in the NT since 2000, 76 were from First Nations communities."

In other circumstances they would call that genocide.

Oh, just f*&^* OFF!!

Aboriginal poet Ali Cobby Eckermann wins Book of the Year at NSW Premier's Literary Awards

https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/3f2b560d414cdfca34be8cba720c6589?impolicy=wcms_crop_resize&cropH=1333&cropW=1999&xPos=0&yPos=0&width=862&height=575

Mutual obligation will be reintroduced in a revived work-for-the-dole scheme that was intended to steer 40,000 Indigenous Australians towards meaningful activities but has been voluntary for the past three years.

The Australian understands only about one in four “participants” in the federal work-for-the dole scheme are doing any ­approved work or activities in ­exchange for fortnightly benefits.

The scheme, called the Commonwealth Development Program, is virtually dormant in many of the 1000 communities where it technically operates.

Indigenous Australians Minister Linda Burney told The Weekend Australian that leaders in remote communities were telling her they wanted the new scheme to have mutual obligations.

“One of the really strong principles of Aboriginal culture is reciprocity. I get the very strong sense that part of the desire for mutual obligations goes to that notion of reciprocity. Of course, the ultimate mutual obligation is real jobs, and you’ve got to turn up to get paid,” Ms Burney said.

“But what we’re seeing in some communities is very few people turning up for the CDP, because there is no financial obligation and it is voluntary, and that’s not good. That’s not healthy.”

Frank wrote on Jun 1^st, 2024 at 11:26am:

Mutual obligation will be reintroduced in a revived work-for-the-dole scheme that was intended to steer 40,000 Indigenous Australians towards meaningful activities but has been voluntary for the past three years. The Australian understands only about one in four “participants” in the federal work-for-the dole scheme are doing any ­approved work or activities in ­exchange for fortnightly benefits. The scheme, called the Commonwealth Development Program, is virtually dormant in many of the 1000 communities where it technically operates. Indigenous Australians Minister Linda Burney told The Weekend Australian that leaders in remote communities were telling her they wanted the new scheme to have mutual obligations. “One of the really strong principles of Aboriginal culture is reciprocity. I get the very strong sense that part of the desire for mutual obligations goes to that notion of reciprocity. Of course, the ultimate mutual obligation is real jobs, and you’ve got to turn up to get paid,” Ms Burney said. “But what we’re seeing in some communities is very few people turning up for the CDP, because there is no financial obligation and it is voluntary, and that’s not good. That’s not healthy.”

It's all systems go with state elections coming up and then the federal election...

Reciprocity?  Where's the White set of treaties with every pissy little group?  Where are the lists of demands from Wharteys for land enclosures and arbitrary assumption of absolute ownership of all land, water and resources? Where are the round table conferences and full respect for all views at all these 'treaty negotiations'?

You want - you BUY. We're not just going to give it all to you.  EARN IT!

Does anyone actually believe this?  I can understand how desperately Burney needs to try to catch up from way behind .... but really - they need a better spokesperson than that, since nobody believes in her any more after the 'voice' madness.

Valkie wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2024 at 6:39pm:

You can only teach monkeys so much.

Great moderation there...

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 2:43pm:

Again - for perspective:- https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/nt-coroner-nearing-the-end-of-domestic-violence-inquiry/vi-BB1mOqqZ?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=7ee1b8b7dc1a4311d36338b645660776&ei=6&sc=shoreline#details "Of the 81 women killed in domestic violence incidents in the NT since 2000, 76 were from First Nations communities."

So out of the reported 1579 women killed as a result of domestic homicide, from 2000-2023, 76 of those were from within First Nations communities in the NT.

Seems like you're at greater risk outside of Indigenous communities if you want to point at the stats alone.

You know, for perspective and all.

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 12:01am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 22nd, 2024 at 2:43pm: Again - for perspective:- https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/nt-coroner-nearing-the-end-of-domestic-violence-inquiry/vi-BB1mOqqZ?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=7ee1b8b7dc1a4311d36338b645660776&ei=6&sc=shoreline#details "Of the 81 women killed in domestic violence incidents in the NT since 2000, 76 were from First Nations communities." So out of the reported 1579 women killed as a result of domestic homicide, from 2000-2023, 76 of those were from within First Nations communities in the NT. Seems like you're at greater risk outside of Indigenous communities if you want to point at the stats alone. You know, for perspective and all.

Since the year 2000, 76 of the 81 women killed in domestic violence incidents were in the Northern Territory. What of the 1579 women killed in that year 2000 to 2023 time period could you find about the ethnicity of the victims and perpetrators? Were many of them indigenous?

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 2:16am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 12:01am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 22nd, 2024 at 2:43pm: Again - for perspective:- https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/nt-coroner-nearing-the-end-of-domestic-violence-inquiry/vi-BB1mOqqZ?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=7ee1b8b7dc1a4311d36338b645660776&ei=6&sc=shoreline#details "Of the 81 women killed in domestic violence incidents in the NT since 2000, 76 were from First Nations communities." So out of the reported 1579 women killed as a result of domestic homicide, from 2000-2023, 76 of those were from within First Nations communities in the NT. Seems like you're at greater risk outside of Indigenous communities if you want to point at the stats alone. You know, for perspective and all. Since the year 2000, 76 of the 81 women killed in domestic violence incidents were in the Northern Territory. What of the 1579 women killed in that year 2000 to 2023 time period could you find about the ethnicity of the victims and perpetrators? Were many of them indigenous?

On a national level?

I'm not an expert but from what I've been able to find there is not a breakdown based on ethnicity like that.

This is where the data gets less reliable in this area.

There were more than that number of women killed in this time period, but this is meant to focus on domestic and family violence.

Indigenous family and kinship groups are much larger so it impacts the numbers and reporting, so a lot of that data is estimates.

Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander people, who were disproportionately represented in IPV homicide offenders (27%) and victims (27%) compared with their representation in the general population (3.2%).

That takes us to a fork in the road.

To the sane and logical, that is another example of the need to close the gap.

The usual suspects however, are looking for justification to do the opposite and point to this data as reasons why they're unworthy of closing the gap and the more mentally disturbed point to that need as proof of the voice by stealth.

The motivation of the poster will determine the conclusion they choose.

Personally I see this as a problem that can be addressed by working towards closing the gap, but I'm sure the "round em up and shoot them" crowd will see things differently.

Quote:

To the sane and logical, that is another example of the need to close the gap.

The devil is in the details SK. I think you will find that those people demanding we "do the opposite" merely have a more realistic approach.

Do you think that not killing your wife is one of Brian's impossible standards for Aborigines to meet?

freediver wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 9:10am:

Quote: To the sane and logical, that is another example of the need to close the gap. The devil is in the details SK. I think you will find that those people demanding we "do the opposite" merely have a more realistic approach. Do you think that not killing your wife is one of Brian's impossible standards for Aborigines to meet?

Do you think sending the army into to Alice to shoot all indigenous Australians on sight, or round then all up into concentration camps or refuges and sell tickets to hunt them is a more realistic approach?

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 10:07am:

freediver wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 9:10am: Quote: To the sane and logical, that is another example of the need to close the gap. The devil is in the details SK. I think you will find that those people demanding we "do the opposite" merely have a more realistic approach. Do you think that not killing your wife is one of Brian's impossible standards for Aborigines to meet? Do you think sending the army into to Alice to shoot all indigenous Australians on sight, or round then all up into concentration camps or refuges and sell tickets to hunt them is a more realistic approach?

2 in 3 (67%) First Nations people aged 15 and over who had experienced physical harm in the last 12 months reported the perpetrator was an intimate partner or family member.

Almost 3 in 4 (74%) assault hospitalisations involving First Nations people were due to family violence
https://www.aihw.gov.au/family-domestic-and-sexual-violence/population-groups/aboriginal-and-torres-strait-islander-people

And it's your fault.

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 10:07am:

freediver wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 9:10am: Quote: To the sane and logical, that is another example of the need to close the gap. The devil is in the details SK. I think you will find that those people demanding we "do the opposite" merely have a more realistic approach. Do you think that not killing your wife is one of Brian's impossible standards for Aborigines to meet? Do you think sending the army into to Alice to shoot all indigenous Australians on sight, or round then all up into concentration camps or refuges and sell tickets to hunt them is a more realistic approach?

See - that's where you are always wrong.... the concept is that you send the army in , give the rioters notice via reading the Riot
Act, and when they fail to disperse, use force to remove them.  A long-standing approach to law enforcement...

As for loading them on the trains - try to get a grip, son - that's just agreeing with THEIR demand for their own state where they can 'do things their way' without our help or input - only those who want that go there, but the rest must assimilate and accept the same conditions as Australians or they are not Australians (even though they all signed on their dole applications that they ARE Australian citizens - can't have it both ways)  Those who remain must go to school, get jobs, and buy their homes like everyone else - I'll get back to this nonsensical 'native title' fraud later.

As for hunting parties - clearly your tiny mind cannot encompass the humour in Maverick's ploy to get some money ... one day you might be old enough to take a joke.... until then you remain a mooron.

Hey, kid - you haven't commented on the idea of Gondwanamo Bay and employing them as guards up there, armed with clubs and spears and ready to help the crocs and sharks in eating any who try to escape..... wassa madda you?  Bit slow, are we?

Why don't you just stay away from the adults until you know WTF you are talking about.  ::)

Frank wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 11:54am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 10:07am: freediver wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 9:10am: Quote: To the sane and logical, that is another example of the need to close the gap. The devil is in the details SK. I think you will find that those people demanding we "do the opposite" merely have a more realistic approach. Do you think that not killing your wife is one of Brian's impossible standards for Aborigines to meet? Do you think sending the army into to Alice to shoot all indigenous Australians on sight, or round then all up into concentration camps or refuges and sell tickets to hunt them is a more realistic approach? 2 in 3 (67%) First Nations people aged 15 and over who had experienced physical harm in the last 12 months reported the perpetrator was an intimate partner or family member. Almost 3 in 4 (74%) assault hospitalisations involving First Nations people were due to family violence https://www.aihw.gov.au/family-domestic-and-sexual-violence/population-groups/aboriginal-and-torres-strait-islander-people And it's your fault.

You and many people here keep pushing the racist stereotypes and fighting against closing the gap which directly leads to more incidents like those you can't wait to ejaculate all over your posts over and over again.

You want this to happen, you need them to feed your own delusions of superiority.

Blame me all you like, but you're actively fighting against real-world solutions which is bad enough, but many like you on here go a step further and call for their genocide.

You can't play the victim in this case.  I know it comes to easily to you, but you simply can't.

Your weakness is fueling your discrimination which is the basis for your beliefs and actions.  And right now those actions reveal that you froth over these stats and don't want solutions, you want the situation to get worse to help paint your sorry ass in a better light.

It's pathetic.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 12:56pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 10:07am: freediver wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 9:10am: Quote: To the sane and logical, that is another example of the need to close the gap. The devil is in the details SK. I think you will find that those people demanding we "do the opposite" merely have a more realistic approach. Do you think that not killing your wife is one of Brian's impossible standards for Aborigines to meet? Do you think sending the army into to Alice to shoot all indigenous Australians on sight, or round then all up into concentration camps or refuges and sell tickets to hunt them is a more realistic approach? See - that's where you are always wrong.... the concept is that you send the army in , give the rioters notice via reading the Riot Act, and when they fail to disperse, use force to remove them.  A long-standing approach to law enforcement...

Empty words because you know full well that this was not the claim made.

The claim was the army should be sent in and to shoot them on sight.


Boris wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 8:18am:

You people do not care about what is happening in the Alice. And you call yourself Aussies. Shame on you The only answer is the army with guns and night patrols and shoot on sight

And you supported it, saying that maybe 10% were worth saving from the genocide being advocated for, implying you agree that 90% of them should be killed,


Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 10^th, 2022 at 4:21pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 11:34am: Boris wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 11:31am: SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 11:25am: Boris wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 11:24am: The Alice is out of all control Do you care about there people in terror there? Even in that group you took it from, did you bother looking at the comments? Very few people support bringing in the Army and nobody is calling for them to start shooting like you are. You've taken a headline and gone full-blown "this means we can finally kill them all!"... Go live there Can you at least pretend you don't want to kill them all? Nah - 10% might be worth saving.........

You can attempt to rewrite history all you like, and I realise that you've said a lot of racist things that it may be hard to keep track, but it's there in black and white.

So when you're not wanting to to kill 90% of them, or round them all up like animals and then sell tickets for people to hunt them, you might want to think before you post...

Move to Alice Springs and enjoy the company of your favourite people

Boris wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 2:24pm:

Move to Alice Springs and enjoy the company of your favourite people

Cry some more.

Go there and enjoy those wonderful people.

Enjoy

https://x.com/actionforalice

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 2:20pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 12:56pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 10:07am: freediver wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 9:10am: Quote: To the sane and logical, that is another example of the need to close the gap. The devil is in the details SK. I think you will find that those people demanding we "do the opposite" merely have a more realistic approach. Do you think that not killing your wife is one of Brian's impossible standards for Aborigines to meet? Do you think sending the army into to Alice to shoot all indigenous Australians on sight, or round then all up into concentration camps or refuges and sell tickets to hunt them is a more realistic approach? See - that's where you are always wrong.... the concept is that you send the army in , give the rioters notice via reading the Riot Act, and when they fail to disperse, use force to remove them.  A long-standing approach to law enforcement... Empty words because you know full well that this was not the claim made. The claim was the army should be sent in and to shoot them on sight. Boris wrote on Aug 6th, 2022 at 8:18am: You people do not care about what is happening in the Alice. And you call yourself Aussies. Shame on you The only answer is the army with guns and night patrols and shoot on sight And you supported it, saying that maybe 10% were worth saving from the genocide being advocated for, implying you agree that 90% of them should be killed, Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 4:21pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 11:34am: Boris wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 11:31am: SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 11:25am: Boris wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 11:24am: The Alice is out of all control Do you care about there people in terror there? Even in that group you took it from, did you bother looking at the comments? Very few people support bringing in the Army and nobody is calling for them to start shooting like you are. You've taken a headline and gone full-blown "this means we can finally kill them all!"... Go live there Can you at least pretend you don't want to kill them all? Nah - 10% might be worth saving......... You can attempt to rewrite history all you like, and I realise that you've said a lot of racist things that it may be hard to keep track, but it's there in black and white. So when you're not wanting to to kill 90% of them, or round them all up like animals and then sell tickets for people to hunt them, you might want to think before you post...

Shoot on sight - hmmm... you idea has merit... you really are a silly, obsessive child, aren't you?

Move to Alice Springs and enjoy the company of your favourite people

Yeah I figured you'd back down you coward.

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 2:55pm:

Yeah I figured you'd back down you coward.

Well - we all knew you were never in it - I said to send in the army to bring order as is normal when local authorities cannot control a situation - you made it into your fantasy.

Hmmmm - shoot on sight.... your idea has merit... even you can hit one once in a while.

You're fixated in your narrow mind, you see - no room in there for any send-up or subtlety, and certainly no room there for any idea that the Keffir need to get their own act together and stop all the whining and stealing and other law-breaking themselves.... stop training their kids in how to continue the brushfire war against Whartey while holding the hand out for more and more and more..

10% might be worth saving doesn't mean knocking 90% on the head - just turning them loose in their own paddock as they demand and leave 'em to it. 

Native title now - what a farce.... you have the right to free use of public land and to free expression of your religious beliefs (even if it is spirits-based and you 'hear voices') - in reality no more rights than any citizen is supposed to equally enjoy in national parks and over national icons such as Mt Warning and the Horizontal Falls etc....  NOBODY owns those!  They are held in trust by government and its agencies and neither of those bodies has any right, or ever will have any right, to just give them away.

Now - native title is NOT freehold - they do not own the land outright - which is a loss to everyone, and the cause of endless trouble over the 'confusion' that this leads to - and that can even mean outright violence.  So - how do stupid governments fix this?

When there is some legitimate land claim with proven unbroken residence, under modern rules and laws it is simply not possible for anyone to come along and say 'this was once our ancestors walking patch, so it must be ours' - so what MUST be made clear in the legislation surrounding 'native title' is that this is for NATIVE uses only - and does not imply exclusive ownership.

This needs to be made clear to all applicants, courts, government bodies and ordinary people.

There is a trap (or two) in 'native title' - the first trap is that they cannot build etc on native title land... the second is that native title is a gifting by government, meaning that at some undefined future time - that gifting may be resumed - say for development in the Shoalwater Bay hinterland etc. There have been complaints from thinking Elders already, over the years, that they cannot even build a house on 'native title' land.

So what is needed is the gifting of a PORTION of claimed lands as Freehold, and perfect clarity over the right to free use of the rest - but NOT the right to exclude others from the same rights of free use over the rest.

The only reason I can see that politicians do not simply do this - is that they wish to hold the door open to any and every thing they can use to divide and split people and perpetuate differences eternally - instead of bringing everyone together on the same page.  At the same time they leave the doors wide open for 'activist judges' to effectively create law by their 'interpretation' of what should be simple issues, thus creating a fertile field for further endless trouble and strife.

The only reason for any of that is simply to keep the voting public off balance and constantly in a state of upheaval over what is essentially nothing.  This is either rampant stupidity or genuine policy - I see it as genuine policy to try to cement their own position as supreme lawmakers.... and you can see the same thing in other areas of 'issues' doing the rounds at this time.

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You and many people here keep pushing the racist stereotypes and fighting against closing the gap

What do you actually mean by "closing the gap"?

Gap closing has been tried for years - no result other than a backward or downward surge.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 5:17pm:

Gap closing has been tried for years - no result other than a backward or downward surge.

The devil is in the detail. People have been closing the gap in various ways for centuries, but the new term has been invented and used to shield various questionable policies from scrutiny.

freediver wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 4:19pm:

Quote: You and many people here keep pushing the racist stereotypes and fighting against closing the gap What do you actually mean by "closing the gap"?

A very telling question. What, indeed, are multitudes of sins behind this inane slogan?


Why is there a gap?
What is the nature of this gap?
Who is the gap between?
Who will close the gap?
When will we know that the gap has been closed?
How did the gap appear?
How will it disappear?



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i thought that was stan grant for a second

JC Denton wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 7:27pm:

i thought that was stan grant for a second

That guy would have to add more tanning lotion to look like Stan Grant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq_fRsWdLpo

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Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 9:17pm:

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Berk.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 9:17pm:

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Berkshire hunt.

Frank wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 9:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 9:17pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Berkshire hunt.

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Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 9:23pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 9:19pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 9:17pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Berkshire hunt. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img673/4087/gIlzsx.jpg

Rest my case.

You are a berk.

Are you the disgusted Maggie or the parasol, idiotic cockwomble! Or the fascinator on the hat? Have you decided?

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 9:17pm:

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Brian: Food goes in here. Amongst other things.

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 6:47am:

On a national level? I'm not an expert but from what I've been able to find there is not a breakdown based on ethnicity like that. This is where the data gets less reliable in this area. There were more than that number of women killed in this time period, but this is meant to focus on domestic and family violence. Indigenous family and kinship groups are much larger so it impacts the numbers and reporting, so a lot of that data is estimates. Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander people, who were disproportionately represented in IPV homicide offenders (27%) and victims (27%) compared with their representation in the general population (3.2%). That takes us to a fork in the road. To the sane and logical, that is another example of the need to close the gap. The usual suspects however, are looking for justification to do the opposite and point to this data as reasons why they're unworthy of closing the gap and the more mentally disturbed point to that need as proof of the voice by stealth. The motivation of the poster will determine the conclusion they choose. Personally I see this as a problem that can be addressed by working towards closing the gap, but I'm sure the "round em up and shoot them" crowd will see things differently.

I responded to point out that you seem concerned that of the majority of domestic violence deaths in the Northern Territory being that of indigenous offenders was misrepresentation of the national domestic violence deaths. Domestic violence among indigenous people is 35 times the rate of non-indigenous.


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Between 2000 and 2004, there were 150 deaths due to assault among Indigenous Australians in the four jurisdictions. Indigenous females and males were nearly ten and nine times more likely to die due to assault as non-Indigenous females and males, respectively. The death rate was highest among people aged 35–44 years.

Source

Given non-indigenous Australians outnumber indigenous Australians in the year 2004 by about 19 million to 500,000, it is worrisome that there was 150 of the 578 deaths from domestic violence attributed to indigenous people -- between the year 2000 and 2004.

"I'm not an expert"

Doing great up to there...... your double inverted twist and multiple side-step with rollover trying to blame others was a beauty - pity you failed to land correctly and hit your head again on the parallel bars..

On those figures Aboriginous are liable to be killed at a rate of 1:3,333 - All Others at a rate of 1:44,393 .... let's say Aboriginous are about 40 times more likely .... that ain't small biccies.  Must be recist, eh, bro?

How do you propose to close that gap?  Get All Others to kill more women?   ;)

Brian what behavioural standards do you think are impossible for Aborigines?

Have you ever spoken to a real one, or just seen them on facebook memes?

Do you think they appreciate you defending them this way?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 3:03pm:

Hmmmm - shoot on sight.... your idea has merit... even you can hit one once in a while.

Nice try but you can't try to gaslight the notion that it was my idea, it wasn't.

I called.it out as ridiculous and you countered by supporting it, calling for the genocide of at least 90% of the indigenous population.

It's there in black and white.

freediver wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 4:19pm:

Quote: You and many people here keep pushing the racist stereotypes and fighting against closing the gap What do you actually mean by "closing the gap"?

You've exhausted any good faith one may have misplaced in your intentions. You will need to earn that level of respect back before we start playing your still semantics dance.

You'll need to start by enforcing your own rules around racial abuse first,.but given you condone and platform that bullshit I can't see it happening.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 11:46pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 6:47am: On a national level? I'm not an expert but from what I've been able to find there is not a breakdown based on ethnicity like that. This is where the data gets less reliable in this area. There were more than that number of women killed in this time period, but this is meant to focus on domestic and family violence. Indigenous family and kinship groups are much larger so it impacts the numbers and reporting, so a lot of that data is estimates. Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander people, who were disproportionately represented in IPV homicide offenders (27%) and victims (27%) compared with their representation in the general population (3.2%). That takes us to a fork in the road. To the sane and logical, that is another example of the need to close the gap. The usual suspects however, are looking for justification to do the opposite and point to this data as reasons why they're unworthy of closing the gap and the more mentally disturbed point to that need as proof of the voice by stealth. The motivation of the poster will determine the conclusion they choose. Personally I see this as a problem that can be addressed by working towards closing the gap, but I'm sure the "round em up and shoot them" crowd will see things differently. I responded to point out that you seem concerned that of the majority of domestic violence deaths in the Northern Territory being that of indigenous offenders was misrepresentation of the national domestic violence deaths. Domestic violence among indigenous people is 35 times the rate of non-indigenous. Quote: Between 2000 and 2004, there were 150 deaths due to assault among Indigenous Australians in the four jurisdictions. Indigenous females and males were nearly ten and nine times more likely to die due to assault as non-Indigenous females and males, respectively. The death rate was highest among people aged 35–44 years. Source Given non-indigenous Australians outnumber indigenous Australians in the year 2004 by about 19 million to 500,000, it is worrisome that there was 150 of the 578 deaths from domestic violence attributed to indigenous people -- between the year 2000 and 2004.

It certainly is.

There is no doubt that they're over represented in the statistics.

The difference is, a sane and rational person would look at those numbers and want to find solutions to help them and their communities reduce those numbers.

I wish I had the answers on how to do that, but even that is getting too far ahead of ourselves.

The numbers are being put in the spotlight as a deliberate ploy to portray all members of their community, of their ethnicity, as baby raping murderers, therefore rather than working say towards "closing the gap" or providing them any sort of help towards better infrastructure in their communities, better education and employment opportunities, we should instead be punishing them, withdrawing support etc as they're unworthy "because of the numbers", all the way to pushing justification for past support for their genocide.

Usually when a normal person identifies a problem, their normal human response is to look for a solution.

In this case the problem is being highlighted to justify hate.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 12:09am:

"I'm not an expert" Doing great up to there...... your double inverted twist and multiple side-step with rollover trying to blame others was a beauty - pity you failed to land correctly and hit your head again on the parallel bars.. On those figures Aboriginous are liable to be killed at a rate of 1:3,333 - All Others at a rate of 1:44,393 .... let's say Aboriginous are about 40 times more likely .... that ain't small biccies.  Must be recist, eh, bro?

It's not racist to point out facts.

It's the hateful conclusions you try to justify, the blanket statements that gets attributed to all members of their ethnicity and the calls for their ethnic cleansing that you follow up with that's racist.


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How do you propose to close that gap?  Get All Others to kill more women?   ;)

This sort of attitude shows you don't really care about the issue, you don't care about the victims or their deaths, you're just trying to exploit those deaths for your despicable end.

You don't get to pretend you care after that...

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 6:36am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 11:46pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 6:47am: On a national level? I'm not an expert but from what I've been able to find there is not a breakdown based on ethnicity like that. This is where the data gets less reliable in this area. There were more than that number of women killed in this time period, but this is meant to focus on domestic and family violence. Indigenous family and kinship groups are much larger so it impacts the numbers and reporting, so a lot of that data is estimates. Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander people, who were disproportionately represented in IPV homicide offenders (27%) and victims (27%) compared with their representation in the general population (3.2%). That takes us to a fork in the road. To the sane and logical, that is another example of the need to close the gap. The usual suspects however, are looking for justification to do the opposite and point to this data as reasons why they're unworthy of closing the gap and the more mentally disturbed point to that need as proof of the voice by stealth. The motivation of the poster will determine the conclusion they choose. Personally I see this as a problem that can be addressed by working towards closing the gap, but I'm sure the "round em up and shoot them" crowd will see things differently. I responded to point out that you seem concerned that of the majority of domestic violence deaths in the Northern Territory being that of indigenous offenders was misrepresentation of the national domestic violence deaths. Domestic violence among indigenous people is 35 times the rate of non-indigenous. Quote: Between 2000 and 2004, there were 150 deaths due to assault among Indigenous Australians in the four jurisdictions. Indigenous females and males were nearly ten and nine times more likely to die due to assault as non-Indigenous females and males, respectively. The death rate was highest among people aged 35–44 years. Source Given non-indigenous Australians outnumber indigenous Australians in the year 2004 by about 19 million to 500,000, it is worrisome that there was 150 of the 578 deaths from domestic violence attributed to indigenous people -- between the year 2000 and 2004. It certainly is. There is no doubt that they're over represented in the statistics. The difference is, a sane and rational person would look at those numbers and want to find solutions to help them and their communities reduce those numbers. I wish I had the answers on how to do that, but even that is getting too far ahead of ourselves. The numbers are being put in the spotlight as a deliberate ploy to portray all members of their community, of their ethnicity, as baby raping murderers, therefore rather than working say towards "closing the gap" or providing them any sort of help towards better infrastructure in their communities, better education and employment opportunities, we should instead be punishing them, withdrawing support etc as they're unworthy "because of the numbers", all the way to pushing justification for past support for their genocide. Usually when a normal person identifies a problem, their normal human response is to look for a solution. In this case the problem is being highlighted to justify hate.

More compellingly, and a fact so utterly lost on this lot that i'm not optimistic repeating it but seeing as it's you, Kanga:

One will find, if one is genuinely trying to collate statistics, that the numbers represented in Indigenous communities are pretty on par in all communities which suffer from significant social and economic disadvantage.

I mean, we've only know that for decades.

They're a bit slow on the uptake around here though. They think it's more melanin related.

mothra wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 6:55am:

More compellingly, and a fact so utterly lost on this lot that i'm not optimistic repeating it but seeing as it's you, Kanga: One will find, if one is genuinely trying to collate statistics, that the numbers represented in Indigenous communities are pretty on par in all communities which suffer from significant social and economic disadvantage. I mean, we've only know that for decades. They're a bit slow on the uptake around here though. They think it's more melanin related.

We are certainly seeing that shift with a whole problem approach in a general sense, from greater assistance for women at risk but also a greater focus on men and their issues from mental health to isolation etc to help address the causes and reduce those numbers.

But that does underline that the intentions of those bringing this up as an Indigenous problem, because of stats, simply shows they don't care about the issue and just want to try and justify their bigoted beliefs.

Especially when they follow up with notions that we should have more white people kill more women to balance the stats as a solution, which even if they're joking, shows they don't really care.

It's just another deception to platform their hate.

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 7:06am:

mothra wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 6:55am: More compellingly, and a fact so utterly lost on this lot that i'm not optimistic repeating it but seeing as it's you, Kanga: One will find, if one is genuinely trying to collate statistics, that the numbers represented in Indigenous communities are pretty on par in all communities which suffer from significant social and economic disadvantage. I mean, we've only know that for decades. They're a bit slow on the uptake around here though. They think it's more melanin related. We are certainly seeing that shift with a whole problem approach in a general sense, from greater assistance for women at risk but also a greater focus on men and their issues from mental health to isolation etc to help address the causes and reduce those numbers. But that does underline that the intentions of those bringing this up as an Indigenous problem, because of stats, simply shows they don't care about the issue and just want to try and justify their bigoted beliefs. Especially when they follow up with notions that we should have more white people kill more women to balance the stats as a solution, which even if they're joking, shows they don't really care. It's just another deception to platform their hate.

Apologies, i didn't explain myself very well.

What i'm saying is that the rates of family violence in Indigenous communities are pretty much the same as the rates of family violence in disadvantaged white communities.

It's much of a muchness.

This is not an Aboriginal problem. It is a problem of social disadvantage.

People arguing that Indigenous rates are higher are being either willfuly or naively disingenuous.

But agreed, it's just a hate fest. And like all bigotry, it's just dumb projection.

mothra wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 7:11am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 7:06am: mothra wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 6:55am: More compellingly, and a fact so utterly lost on this lot that i'm not optimistic repeating it but seeing as it's you, Kanga: One will find, if one is genuinely trying to collate statistics, that the numbers represented in Indigenous communities are pretty on par in all communities which suffer from significant social and economic disadvantage. I mean, we've only know that for decades. They're a bit slow on the uptake around here though. They think it's more melanin related. We are certainly seeing that shift with a whole problem approach in a general sense, from greater assistance for women at risk but also a greater focus on men and their issues from mental health to isolation etc to help address the causes and reduce those numbers. But that does underline that the intentions of those bringing this up as an Indigenous problem, because of stats, simply shows they don't care about the issue and just want to try and justify their bigoted beliefs. Especially when they follow up with notions that we should have more white people kill more women to balance the stats as a solution, which even if they're joking, shows they don't really care. It's just another deception to platform their hate. Apologies, i didn't explain myself very well. What i'm saying is that the rates of family violence in Indigenous communities are pretty much the same as the rates of family violence in disadvantaged white communities. It's much of a muchness. This is not an Aboriginal problem. It is a problem of social disadvantage. People arguing that Indigenous rates are higher are being either willfuly or naively disingenuous. But agreed, it's just a hate fest. And like all bigotry, it's just dumb projection.

I focused on the wrong part in my post but the wider point is understood, that's why helping to close the gap in their communities, as well as the socially disadvantaged in general is what stands out as a way to help reduce the number of deaths.

But "closing the gap" is a trigger phrase to them and pointing to these stats is being done to argue against that, not for it.

mothra wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 6:55am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 6:36am: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 11:46pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 6:47am: On a national level? I'm not an expert but from what I've been able to find there is not a breakdown based on ethnicity like that. This is where the data gets less reliable in this area. There were more than that number of women killed in this time period, but this is meant to focus on domestic and family violence. Indigenous family and kinship groups are much larger so it impacts the numbers and reporting, so a lot of that data is estimates. Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander people, who were disproportionately represented in IPV homicide offenders (27%) and victims (27%) compared with their representation in the general population (3.2%). That takes us to a fork in the road. To the sane and logical, that is another example of the need to close the gap. The usual suspects however, are looking for justification to do the opposite and point to this data as reasons why they're unworthy of closing the gap and the more mentally disturbed point to that need as proof of the voice by stealth. The motivation of the poster will determine the conclusion they choose. Personally I see this as a problem that can be addressed by working towards closing the gap, but I'm sure the "round em up and shoot them" crowd will see things differently. I responded to point out that you seem concerned that of the majority of domestic violence deaths in the Northern Territory being that of indigenous offenders was misrepresentation of the national domestic violence deaths. Domestic violence among indigenous people is 35 times the rate of non-indigenous. Quote: Between 2000 and 2004, there were 150 deaths due to assault among Indigenous Australians in the four jurisdictions. Indigenous females and males were nearly ten and nine times more likely to die due to assault as non-Indigenous females and males, respectively. The death rate was highest among people aged 35–44 years. Source Given non-indigenous Australians outnumber indigenous Australians in the year 2004 by about 19 million to 500,000, it is worrisome that there was 150 of the 578 deaths from domestic violence attributed to indigenous people -- between the year 2000 and 2004. It certainly is. There is no doubt that they're over represented in the statistics. The difference is, a sane and rational person would look at those numbers and want to find solutions to help them and their communities reduce those numbers. I wish I had the answers on how to do that, but even that is getting too far ahead of ourselves. The numbers are being put in the spotlight as a deliberate ploy to portray all members of their community, of their ethnicity, as baby raping murderers, therefore rather than working say towards "closing the gap" or providing them any sort of help towards better infrastructure in their communities, better education and employment opportunities, we should instead be punishing them, withdrawing support etc as they're unworthy "because of the numbers", all the way to pushing justification for past support for their genocide. Usually when a normal person identifies a problem, their normal human response is to look for a solution. In this case the problem is being highlighted to justify hate. More compellingly, and a fact so utterly lost on this lot that i'm not optimistic repeating it but seeing as it's you, Kanga: One will find, if one is genuinely trying to collate statistics, that the numbers represented in Indigenous communities are pretty on par in all communities which suffer from significant social and economic disadvantage. I mean, we've only know that for decades. They're a bit slow on the uptake around here though. They think it's more melanin related.

no one who argues that these differentials are linked to racial differences thinks they are "melanin" related lol

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 7:41am:

mothra wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 7:11am: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 7:06am: mothra wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 6:55am: More compellingly, and a fact so utterly lost on this lot that i'm not optimistic repeating it but seeing as it's you, Kanga: One will find, if one is genuinely trying to collate statistics, that the numbers represented in Indigenous communities are pretty on par in all communities which suffer from significant social and economic disadvantage. I mean, we've only know that for decades. They're a bit slow on the uptake around here though. They think it's more melanin related. We are certainly seeing that shift with a whole problem approach in a general sense, from greater assistance for women at risk but also a greater focus on men and their issues from mental health to isolation etc to help address the causes and reduce those numbers. But that does underline that the intentions of those bringing this up as an Indigenous problem, because of stats, simply shows they don't care about the issue and just want to try and justify their bigoted beliefs. Especially when they follow up with notions that we should have more white people kill more women to balance the stats as a solution, which even if they're joking, shows they don't really care. It's just another deception to platform their hate. Apologies, i didn't explain myself very well. What i'm saying is that the rates of family violence in Indigenous communities are pretty much the same as the rates of family violence in disadvantaged white communities. It's much of a muchness. This is not an Aboriginal problem. It is a problem of social disadvantage. People arguing that Indigenous rates are higher are being either willfuly or naively disingenuous. But agreed, it's just a hate fest. And like all bigotry, it's just dumb projection. I focused on the wrong part in my post but the wider point is understood, that's why helping to close the gap in their communities, as well as the socially disadvantaged in general is what stands out as a way to help reduce the number of deaths. But "closing the gap" is a trigger phrase to them and pointing to these stats is being done to argue against that, not for it.

Poor conservatives. Perpetually triggered by buzz words.

But let's face it, the buzz words were always intended to trigger. It's a fantastic distraction while the resource sector and every entitled white dude on a board gets fat.

mothra wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 8:35am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 7:41am: mothra wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 7:11am: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 7:06am: mothra wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 6:55am: More compellingly, and a fact so utterly lost on this lot that i'm not optimistic repeating it but seeing as it's you, Kanga: One will find, if one is genuinely trying to collate statistics, that the numbers represented in Indigenous communities are pretty on par in all communities which suffer from significant social and economic disadvantage. I mean, we've only know that for decades. They're a bit slow on the uptake around here though. They think it's more melanin related. We are certainly seeing that shift with a whole problem approach in a general sense, from greater assistance for women at risk but also a greater focus on men and their issues from mental health to isolation etc to help address the causes and reduce those numbers. But that does underline that the intentions of those bringing this up as an Indigenous problem, because of stats, simply shows they don't care about the issue and just want to try and justify their bigoted beliefs. Especially when they follow up with notions that we should have more white people kill more women to balance the stats as a solution, which even if they're joking, shows they don't really care. It's just another deception to platform their hate. Apologies, i didn't explain myself very well. What i'm saying is that the rates of family violence in Indigenous communities are pretty much the same as the rates of family violence in disadvantaged white communities. It's much of a muchness. This is not an Aboriginal problem. It is a problem of social disadvantage. People arguing that Indigenous rates are higher are being either willfuly or naively disingenuous. But agreed, it's just a hate fest. And like all bigotry, it's just dumb projection. I focused on the wrong part in my post but the wider point is understood, that's why helping to close the gap in their communities, as well as the socially disadvantaged in general is what stands out as a way to help reduce the number of deaths. But "closing the gap" is a trigger phrase to them and pointing to these stats is being done to argue against that, not for it. Poor conservatives. Perpetually triggered by buzz words. But let's face it, the buzz words were always intended to trigger. It's a fantastic distraction while the resource sector and every entitled white dude on a board gets fat.

Not me - I'm just adding to the quotes here - seems a few of you are triggered by any discussion .... you always focus on the wrong part of your post - the post itself.

Closing the gap' you say?  Which gap was that this time?  So what are you going to do about 'the gap'?  Send the man with the crowbar to make 'im wider?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 8:45am:

mothra wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 8:35am: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 7:41am: mothra wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 7:11am: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 7:06am: mothra wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 6:55am: More compellingly, and a fact so utterly lost on this lot that i'm not optimistic repeating it but seeing as it's you, Kanga: One will find, if one is genuinely trying to collate statistics, that the numbers represented in Indigenous communities are pretty on par in all communities which suffer from significant social and economic disadvantage. I mean, we've only know that for decades. They're a bit slow on the uptake around here though. They think it's more melanin related. We are certainly seeing that shift with a whole problem approach in a general sense, from greater assistance for women at risk but also a greater focus on men and their issues from mental health to isolation etc to help address the causes and reduce those numbers. But that does underline that the intentions of those bringing this up as an Indigenous problem, because of stats, simply shows they don't care about the issue and just want to try and justify their bigoted beliefs. Especially when they follow up with notions that we should have more white people kill more women to balance the stats as a solution, which even if they're joking, shows they don't really care. It's just another deception to platform their hate. Apologies, i didn't explain myself very well. What i'm saying is that the rates of family violence in Indigenous communities are pretty much the same as the rates of family violence in disadvantaged white communities. It's much of a muchness. This is not an Aboriginal problem. It is a problem of social disadvantage. People arguing that Indigenous rates are higher are being either willfuly or naively disingenuous. But agreed, it's just a hate fest. And like all bigotry, it's just dumb projection. I focused on the wrong part in my post but the wider point is understood, that's why helping to close the gap in their communities, as well as the socially disadvantaged in general is what stands out as a way to help reduce the number of deaths. But "closing the gap" is a trigger phrase to them and pointing to these stats is being done to argue against that, not for it. Poor conservatives. Perpetually triggered by buzz words. But let's face it, the buzz words were always intended to trigger. It's a fantastic distraction while the resource sector and every entitled white dude on a board gets fat. Not me - I'm just adding to the quotes here - seems a few of you are triggered by any discussion .... you always focus on the wrong part of your post - the post itself. Closing the gap' you say?  Which gap was that this time?  So what are you going to do about 'the gap'?  Send the man with the crowbar to make 'im wider?

"One will find, if one is genuinely trying to collate statistics, that the numbers represented in Indigenous communities are pretty on par in all communities which suffer from significant social and economic disadvantage."

76 out of 81 women in the NT will not agree with you  .... but then they can't speak, can they?

How many were killed in houso at the same time?  How many of THOSE are in the same demographic?  Name a group that has a chosen lifestyle that is far from work etc. .... has to be one somewhere in Australia...

As usual, you lot are long on rhetoric and short on facts ...... figures show that it is indeed an Aboriginal issue at a far higher rate ... you do understand 'rate' don't you?

mothra wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 7:11am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 7:06am: mothra wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 6:55am: More compellingly, and a fact so utterly lost on this lot that i'm not optimistic repeating it but seeing as it's you, Kanga: One will find, if one is genuinely trying to collate statistics, that the numbers represented in Indigenous communities are pretty on par in all communities which suffer from significant social and economic disadvantage. I mean, we've only know that for decades. They're a bit slow on the uptake around here though. They think it's more melanin related. We are certainly seeing that shift with a whole problem approach in a general sense, from greater assistance for women at risk but also a greater focus on men and their issues from mental health to isolation etc to help address the causes and reduce those numbers. But that does underline that the intentions of those bringing this up as an Indigenous problem, because of stats, simply shows they don't care about the issue and just want to try and justify their bigoted beliefs. Especially when they follow up with notions that we should have more white people kill more women to balance the stats as a solution, which even if they're joking, shows they don't really care. It's just another deception to platform their hate. Apologies, i didn't explain myself very well. What i'm saying is that the rates of family violence in Indigenous communities are pretty much the same as the rates of family violence in disadvantaged white communities. It's much of a muchness. This is not an Aboriginal problem. It is a problem of social disadvantage. People arguing that Indigenous rates are higher are being either willfuly or naively disingenuous.

So why is everyone from all sides of politics doing it Mothra? Do you think it makes it harder or easier to address the issue without acknowledging the elephant in the room?

First Nations women and children are disproportionately impacted by family and domestic violence.

They are 34 times more likely to be hospitalised due to violence than non-Indigenous women and six times more likely to die as a result of family violence.7 Nov 2023

https://ministers.dss.gov.au/media-releases/13016#:~:text=First%20Nations%20women%20and%20children,a%20result%20of%20family%20violence.

Boris wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 10:29am:

First Nations women and children are disproportionately impacted by family and domestic violence. They are 34 times more likely to be hospitalised due to violence than non-Indigenous women and six times more likely to die as a result of family violence.7 Nov 2023 https://ministers.dss.gov.au/media-releases/13016#:~:text=First%20Nations%20women%20and%20children,a%20result%20of%20family%20violence.

And then?

What should we be advocating for to help reduce those stats?

Should we be working towards closing the gap?

Should we give them an advisory body to weigh in on what sorts of things we should be doing to help?

How do we help?

We start by forcing them to see the error of their ways ... (that'll trigger the kid - now let's ramp it up).... the old ways are gone - they can no longer lolly-gag in the warm sun and beat the missus at leisure and blame whartey for it all.... time they got into the 21st Century ... you can't just lay claim to a swathe of land these days - them ancient rules of empire are gone.... time to put all this nonsense to bed as the Australian people required of their government at a referendum.

Clearly they need to be forced to it..... no other way than mainstreaming them and cutting them loose to find their own way .... they've had over 200 years to get with the program... many have ... time for the rest to wake up and catch up.  76 out of 81 women (93% by 30% of the NT population - about 10% at most men) seems a fair indication..... now then - we need all these figures broken down by demographic .... that's the effluent in the room ....  76 out of 81 - shame, Aboriginal Australia - SHAME!

Jeez - our two greatest victims here - saddie the whining laddie and mothra 'been hurt by so many' - did-ums!

Come in, spinner ........

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 10:53am:

Boris wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 10:29am: First Nations women and children are disproportionately impacted by family and domestic violence. They are 34 times more likely to be hospitalised due to violence than non-Indigenous women and six times more likely to die as a result of family violence.7 Nov 2023 https://ministers.dss.gov.au/media-releases/13016#:~:text=First%20Nations%20women%20and%20children,a%20result%20of%20family%20violence. And then? What should we be advocating for to help reduce those stats? Should we be working towards closing the gap? Should we give them an advisory body to weigh in on what sorts of things we should be doing to help? How do we help?

Close the gap.

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 10:53am:

Boris wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 10:29am: First Nations women and children are disproportionately impacted by family and domestic violence. They are 34 times more likely to be hospitalised due to violence than non-Indigenous women and six times more likely to die as a result of family violence.7 Nov 2023 https://ministers.dss.gov.au/media-releases/13016#:~:text=First%20Nations%20women%20and%20children,a%20result%20of%20family%20violence. And then? What should we be advocating for to help reduce those stats? Should we be working towards closing the gap? Should we give them an advisory body to weigh in on what sorts of things we should be doing to help? How do we help?

They have to evolve or become extinct - it is all up to them - their choice.

They make choices and face the consequences of those choices - like all people everywhere.

50% of them choose to smoke cigarettes - bad choice - only they can choose to not smoke.

It is the same with substance abuse and violence - their choices again - that is wiping them out.

It is their responsibility and theirs alone - not yours and not mine nor anyone else's.

Go live in the NT and see for yourself

"the gap" will still be around in 100 years haha

i wonder if there's ever going to be a point where people are going to start asking "is this stuff actually fixable?"

the experience of african americans in the u.s and the countless attempts to 'fix' their respective gaps (including through some of the most radical behavioural interventions possible) that have all completely failed is instructive here

but yeah i'm sure some more after school mentorship programs,  re-packaged pedagogical quack methods and basketball courts at the local youth club will be enough to correct for literally thousands of years of differential human evolution

the real solution is to simply stop caring about their problems and start ignoring them; we could be curing cancer, unlocking the secrets of biological immortality and traversing the stars, but we've decided to devote our societal efforts to uplifting an atavistic, irrelevant and eternally troublesome sub-section of the world's population instead, one that you could in a totally non politically correct world reasonably argue is not even the same species as us

i suspect that's what extraterrestrials totally unacquainted with contemporary human political sensitivites would think if they arrived on earth tomorrow and compared boongs to white people or oriental east asians

LoL@Mothra.

I wonder why Mothra wants to lie about the rates of DV amonst Abos?
She's obviously the most racists person here and loves it when Abo women are bashed to death by Abo men.

There is also a massive First Nations disparity in terms of victims and offenders.

Forty-nine of the homicide victims in Australia identified as First Nations (35 men and 14 women) – that is, 20% of victims.

https://theconversation.com/new-homicide-statistics-show-surge-in-intimate-partner-killings-and-huge-disparity-in-first-nations-victims-228890

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 7:06am:

mothra wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 6:55am: More compellingly, and a fact so utterly lost on this lot that i'm not optimistic repeating it but seeing as it's you, Kanga: One will find, if one is genuinely trying to collate statistics, that the numbers represented in Indigenous communities are pretty on par in all communities which suffer from significant social and economic disadvantage. I mean, we've only know that for decades. They're a bit slow on the uptake around here though. They think it's more melanin related. We are certainly seeing that shift with a whole problem approach in a general sense, from greater assistance for women at risk but also a greater focus on men and their issues from mental health to isolation etc to help address the causes and reduce those numbers. But that does underline that the intentions of those bringing this up as an Indigenous problem, because of stats, simply shows they don't care about the issue and just want to try and justify their bigoted beliefs. Especially when they follow up with notions that we should have more white people kill more women to balance the stats as a solution, which even if they're joking, shows they don't really care. It's just another deception to platform their hate.

really?

and yet since the beginning of the closing the gap initiative and at a cost of many billions, aborigines (by the governments own admission) have gone backwards on 17 of the 19 measured parameters.(this stat is from year 2023)

clearly to continue pumping money into this is a benefit only to the grifters

the white psychologists and social workers and associated public servants on the gravy train

the aborigine (by the governments own stats) was healthier (mentally and physically) when being looked after by church missions and working as aboriginal stockmen

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 10:53am:

Boris wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 10:29am: First Nations women and children are disproportionately impacted by family and domestic violence. They are 34 times more likely to be hospitalised due to violence than non-Indigenous women and six times more likely to die as a result of family violence.7 Nov 2023 https://ministers.dss.gov.au/media-releases/13016#:~:text=First%20Nations%20women%20and%20children,a%20result%20of%20family%20violence. And then? What should we be advocating for to help reduce those stats? Should we be working towards closing the gap? Should we give them an advisory body to weigh in on what sorts of things we should be doing to help? How do we help?

no one can be helped if they are stuck in a victim narrative.

it keeps the person stuck

it takes away all agency and it makes it impossible to improve because it makes everything in your life under an "external locus of control"

you are thus powerless

even oprah (raped at 12, pregnant at 14, in a mental institution at 16 ) RAGES about the destructiveness of the victim narrative.

and yet it is the narrative the left ram down the throats of the aborigine

the racism of low expectations  >:( >:( >:( >:(

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 6:36am:

It certainly is. There is no doubt that they're over represented in the statistics. The difference is, a sane and rational person would look at those numbers and want to find solutions to help them and their communities reduce those numbers. I wish I had the answers on how to do that, but even that is getting too far ahead of ourselves. The numbers are being put in the spotlight as a deliberate ploy to portray all members of their community, of their ethnicity, as baby raping murderers, therefore rather than working say towards "closing the gap" or providing them any sort of help towards better infrastructure in their communities, better education and employment opportunities, we should instead be punishing them, withdrawing support etc as they're unworthy "because of the numbers", all the way to pushing justification for past support for their genocide. Usually when a normal person identifies a problem, their normal human response is to look for a solution. In this case the problem is being highlighted to justify hate.

It is excellent that you admit that indigenous people are overrepresented in crime statistics. They only problem is that you do not seem that concerned about indigenous Australians being held accountable for their actions so that there would be a considerable drop in the proportions of domestic violence cases.

One of the ways to change this is to drop the "poor bugger me" attitude. The amount of resources being literally and monetarily given to indigenous people would be enough per individual to not be able to use as an excuse about poverty being a cause. The "I lost my land" attitude is invalid for any indigenous person under the age of 90 years old. Besides, indigenous people are owners of at least 15% of Australian land. And "I have lost my culture" is absolute rubbish. Domestic violence is part of indigenous culture as far back as time immemorial. Having a smoking ceremony, dancing around to the sound of the didgeridoo and clapping sticks and the murmuring of a tribal leader is not going to prevent indigenous people from smacking their wives and children around.

Being that I am not an accredited counsellor, I would be limited and probably unable to advise how to change people's attitudes to become more sociable. My area of intermediate expertise is psychology. But, I would say that I have about as much psychological knowledge as a second year psychology student. However, most social workers out there are just there to offer some insight into people's behaviours and offer band-aid solutions to help improve people's lives. Suppose there were any real counsellors and support workers out there that were not just trying to keep their jobs by letting their focus of attention grow, for the sake of job security. In that case, we might actually see very few indigenous domestic violence cases.

Until then, we can only assume that PM Dutton would consider equalising welfare help for indigenous people to be the same of that given to non-indigenous people. And yes, I did say PM Dutton. I cannot see Albanese making it as PM after the next federal election.

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 6:45am:

It's not racist to point out facts. It's the hateful conclusions you try to justify, the blanket statements that gets attributed to all members of their ethnicity and the calls for their ethnic cleansing that you follow up with that's racist. This sort of attitude shows you don't really care about the issue, you don't care about the victims or their deaths, you're just trying to exploit those deaths for your despicable end. You don't get to pretend you care after that...

Even though you were responding to Grappler, can I make it known that Grappler was implying that if indigenous people were kept to non-indigenous standards of behaviour, we would see considerably lower rates of domestic violence and that "gap" between indigenous and non-indigenous people. This is very much the topic of discussion here.

The fact that Grappler jokes about serious issues seems to be his sardonic way of handling a serious issue. How many times have you heard about a car theft, which seems to be almost always indigenous people, and wonder how their frickin' culture has any relevancy to perpetuating such crimes. Indigenous people traditionally speared the legs of troublemakers in their tribes, to keep them in line. If we are going to respect and allow that kind of culture to recommence, then of course we are going to see an escalation of domestic violence in the indigenous community.

Twenty years ago, someone mentioned in one of the earlier debate sites "if only Captain Cook had coughed and sneezed a little harder at Botany Bay. We might have been able to get things done better today". It makes you wonder about your own lives and how well off you are in an integrated society. I went to a high school where our own indigenous students had a mildly incorrigible attitude. But, once they got into the final two years of high school, things started to get serious and they acting as decent students. These days, you try to interact with indigenous people in their late teens and early 20s, they seem to have this attitude of invulnerability and above the law when it comes to dealing with non-indigenous interactions. The number of times women have been called "bitch" by indigenous people is way too many for any standards to accept. And if you fight one of them, you fight them all. They don't care if they are in the wrong.

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mothra wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 6:55am:

More compellingly, and a fact so utterly lost on this lot that i'm not optimistic repeating it but seeing as it's you, Kanga: One will find, if one is genuinely trying to collate statistics, that the numbers represented in Indigenous communities are pretty on par in all communities which suffer from significant social and economic disadvantage. I mean, we've only know that for decades. They're a bit slow on the uptake around here though. They think it's more melanin related.

I was going to scroll on. But, surely you missed the point. It is not the numbers that matter solely. It is the rate of domestic violence cases. If we were concerned about numbers alone, we might as well ignore the attention to indigenous domestic violence cases and focus on the majority of domestic violence cases.

For example, if you have 10,000 indigenous people in a community and there were 3,500 cases of domestic violence. Compared to 350,000 non-indigenous people in a community and there were 10,000 cases of domestic violence among them. Given the numbers of non-indigenous domestic violence cases, we might as well say that we should focus largely on the 10,000 case more than the 3,500 indigenous domestic violence cases. It would make sense, though, to do this.

The problem is in this hypothetical situation is that you are seeing 2% of non-indigenous people living in a domestic violence situation. Whereas 35% of indigenous people are living in a domestic violence situation. It is not the numbers but the rate of violence is the concern.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 1:50pm:

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Brian:
https://media1.tenor.com/m/Gpy84AbGMwMAAAAC/food-goes-in-here-simpsons.gif

Maybe Brian isn't talking about food.

mothra wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 8:35am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 7:41am: But "closing the gap" is a trigger phrase to them and pointing to these stats is being done to argue against that, not for it. Poor conservatives. Perpetually triggered by buzz words. But let's face it, the buzz words were always intended to trigger. It's a fantastic distraction while the resource sector and every entitled white dude on a board gets fat.

Oh, is that why indigenous tribes get paid big money for mining companies to be allowed to mine on traditional but "lost my" land? A lot of fat aborigines out in the rural and regional areas.

freediver wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

Maybe Brian isn't talking about food.

It might be food to him.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 8:48am:

76 out of 81 women in the NT will not agree with you  .... but then they can't speak, can they?

"Not without some kick-ass smelling salts and a heater".

Sorry... sorry. I will sit over here now.

*Post Message*

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 10:53am:

What should we be advocating for to help reduce those stats? Should we be working towards closing the gap? Should we give them an advisory body to weigh in on what sorts of things we should be doing to help? How do we help?

Oh, beautiful. BEWDIFUWL. I think we had a referendum last year on establishing another aboriginal industry to sit around and talk shite. But, had the "advisory body" been established, how would they have done things differently compared to what is being done now, in regards to lowering domestic violence rates?

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 10:07am:

freediver wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 9:10am: Quote: To the sane and logical, that is another example of the need to close the gap. The devil is in the details SK. I think you will find that those people demanding we "do the opposite" merely have a more realistic approach. Do you think that not killing your wife is one of Brian's impossible standards for Aborigines to meet? Do you think sending the army into to Alice to shoot all indigenous Australians on sight, or round then all up into concentration camps or refuges and sell tickets to hunt them is a more realistic approach?

Another dumb arse baseless statement.

You have it bad.

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 2:28pm:

Boris wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 2:24pm: Move to Alice Springs and enjoy the company of your favourite people Cry some more.

Put up or shut up you sanctimonious clueless twat.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 9:23pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 9:19pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 9:17pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Berkshire hunt. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img673/4087/gIlzsx.jpg

Is that a self portrait you old girly skirt?

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 6:29am:

freediver wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 4:19pm: Quote: You and many people here keep pushing the racist stereotypes and fighting against closing the gap What do you actually mean by "closing the gap"? You've exhausted any good faith one may have misplaced in your intentions. You will need to earn that level of respect back before we start playing your still semantics dance. You'll need to start by enforcing your own rules around racial abuse first,.but given you condone and platform that bullshit I can't see it happening.

Yet you're still here? go figure.

Gnads wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 6:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 9:23pm: Frank wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 9:19pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 9:17pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Berkshire hunt. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img673/4087/gIlzsx.jpg Is that a self portrait you old girly skirt?

Bbwiyawn is the parasol. Maggie is holding him by his ... er.... thin little handle. Hence the disgust on her face.... Tsk, tsk  :o :o

mothra wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 8:35am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 7:41am: mothra wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 7:11am: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 7:06am: mothra wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 6:55am: More compellingly, and a fact so utterly lost on this lot that i'm not optimistic repeating it but seeing as it's you, Kanga: One will find, if one is genuinely trying to collate statistics, that the numbers represented in Indigenous communities are pretty on par in all communities which suffer from significant social and economic disadvantage. I mean, we've only know that for decades. They're a bit slow on the uptake around here though. They think it's more melanin related. We are certainly seeing that shift with a whole problem approach in a general sense, from greater assistance for women at risk but also a greater focus on men and their issues from mental health to isolation etc to help address the causes and reduce those numbers. But that does underline that the intentions of those bringing this up as an Indigenous problem, because of stats, simply shows they don't care about the issue and just want to try and justify their bigoted beliefs. Especially when they follow up with notions that we should have more white people kill more women to balance the stats as a solution, which even if they're joking, shows they don't really care. It's just another deception to platform their hate. Apologies, i didn't explain myself very well. What i'm saying is that the rates of family violence in Indigenous communities are pretty much the same as the rates of family violence in disadvantaged white communities. It's much of a muchness. This is not an Aboriginal problem. It is a problem of social disadvantage. People arguing that Indigenous rates are higher are being either willfuly or naively disingenuous. But agreed, it's just a hate fest. And like all bigotry, it's just dumb projection. I focused on the wrong part in my post but the wider point is understood, that's why helping to close the gap in their communities, as well as the socially disadvantaged in general is what stands out as a way to help reduce the number of deaths. But "closing the gap" is a trigger phrase to them and pointing to these stats is being done to argue against that, not for it. Poor conservatives. Perpetually triggered by buzz words. But let's face it, the buzz words were always intended to trigger. It's a fantastic distraction while the resource sector and every entitled white dude on a board gets fat.

Yet it's idiots like you that blurt out the " buzz words" ad infinitum.

Are they meant to trigger just to make you feel superior?

Gnads wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 6:25pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 8:35am: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 7:41am: mothra wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 7:11am: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 7:06am: mothra wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 6:55am: More compellingly, and a fact so utterly lost on this lot that i'm not optimistic repeating it but seeing as it's you, Kanga: One will find, if one is genuinely trying to collate statistics, that the numbers represented in Indigenous communities are pretty on par in all communities which suffer from significant social and economic disadvantage. I mean, we've only know that for decades. They're a bit slow on the uptake around here though. They think it's more melanin related. We are certainly seeing that shift with a whole problem approach in a general sense, from greater assistance for women at risk but also a greater focus on men and their issues from mental health to isolation etc to help address the causes and reduce those numbers. But that does underline that the intentions of those bringing this up as an Indigenous problem, because of stats, simply shows they don't care about the issue and just want to try and justify their bigoted beliefs. Especially when they follow up with notions that we should have more white people kill more women to balance the stats as a solution, which even if they're joking, shows they don't really care. It's just another deception to platform their hate. Apologies, i didn't explain myself very well. What i'm saying is that the rates of family violence in Indigenous communities are pretty much the same as the rates of family violence in disadvantaged white communities. It's much of a muchness. This is not an Aboriginal problem. It is a problem of social disadvantage. People arguing that Indigenous rates are higher are being either willfuly or naively disingenuous. But agreed, it's just a hate fest. And like all bigotry, it's just dumb projection. I focused on the wrong part in my post but the wider point is understood, that's why helping to close the gap in their communities, as well as the socially disadvantaged in general is what stands out as a way to help reduce the number of deaths. But "closing the gap" is a trigger phrase to them and pointing to these stats is being done to argue against that, not for it. Poor conservatives. Perpetually triggered by buzz words. But let's face it, the buzz words were always intended to trigger. It's a fantastic distraction while the resource sector and every entitled white dude on a board gets fat. Yet it's idiots like you that blurt out the " buzz words" ad infinitum. Are they meant to trigger just to make you feel superior?

That warm feeling they get from imagining they are 'triggering' people is just them pissing in one another's pockets...


Still laughing - popped by the local police station today to discuss another Badouin - nearly fell off my chair when I said the name and the cops said - "I know him."  I said - "I'll bet you do!"   ;D

Gnads wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 6:25pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 8:35am: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 7:41am: mothra wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 7:11am: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 7:06am: mothra wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 6:55am: More compellingly, and a fact so utterly lost on this lot that i'm not optimistic repeating it but seeing as it's you, Kanga: One will find, if one is genuinely trying to collate statistics, that the numbers represented in Indigenous communities are pretty on par in all communities which suffer from significant social and economic disadvantage. I mean, we've only know that for decades. They're a bit slow on the uptake around here though. They think it's more melanin related. We are certainly seeing that shift with a whole problem approach in a general sense, from greater assistance for women at risk but also a greater focus on men and their issues from mental health to isolation etc to help address the causes and reduce those numbers. But that does underline that the intentions of those bringing this up as an Indigenous problem, because of stats, simply shows they don't care about the issue and just want to try and justify their bigoted beliefs. Especially when they follow up with notions that we should have more white people kill more women to balance the stats as a solution, which even if they're joking, shows they don't really care. It's just another deception to platform their hate. Apologies, i didn't explain myself very well. What i'm saying is that the rates of family violence in Indigenous communities are pretty much the same as the rates of family violence in disadvantaged white communities. It's much of a muchness. This is not an Aboriginal problem. It is a problem of social disadvantage. People arguing that Indigenous rates are higher are being either willfuly or naively disingenuous. But agreed, it's just a hate fest. And like all bigotry, it's just dumb projection. I focused on the wrong part in my post but the wider point is understood, that's why helping to close the gap in their communities, as well as the socially disadvantaged in general is what stands out as a way to help reduce the number of deaths. But "closing the gap" is a trigger phrase to them and pointing to these stats is being done to argue against that, not for it. Poor conservatives. Perpetually triggered by buzz words. But let's face it, the buzz words were always intended to trigger. It's a fantastic distraction while the resource sector and every entitled white dude on a board gets fat. Yet it's idiots like you that blurt out the " buzz words" ad infinitum. Are they meant to trigger just to make you feel superior?

Indeed. Mongs like Mothra invented the concept of being triggered and trigger warning.

They want to be safe. **** 'em. Laff at 'em.
https://youtu.be/EsMEYjr9o1M?si=cgJkVaaZCDPYXz8o

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 10:53am:

Boris wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 10:29am: First Nations women and children are disproportionately impacted by family and domestic violence. They are 34 times more likely to be hospitalised due to violence than non-Indigenous women and six times more likely to die as a result of family violence.7 Nov 2023 https://ministers.dss.gov.au/media-releases/13016#:~:text=First%20Nations%20women%20and%20children,a%20result%20of%20family%20violence. And then? What should we be advocating for to help reduce those stats? Should we be working towards closing the gap? Should we give them an advisory body to weigh in on what sorts of things we should be doing to help? How do we help?

The only GAP in this conversation ... is the empty gap between your floppy ears SK.

As for an advisory body.... are you that stupid or is it a natural trait?

Aboriginal Australians have more advisory bodies than you can poke a stick at .... that's why the Voice failed ..... it would have been just another taxpayer funded divisive unaccountable Aboriginal bureaucracy.

And for all the multi $billions of taxpayer money thrown at all the advisory groups why hasn't the GAP already been closed?

Because it's an unaccountable bottomless money pit for corrupt Aboriginals and non Aboriginals glued to the gravy train.

And lefties like you are the biggest non Aboriginal spongers reaping the benefits.

Gordon wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 12:06pm:

LoL@Mothra. I wonder why Mothra wants to lie about the rates of DV amonst Abos? She's obviously the most racists person here and loves it when Abo women are bashed to death by Abo men. There is also a massive First Nations disparity in terms of victims and offenders. Forty-nine of the homicide victims in Australia identified as First Nations (35 men and 14 women) – that is, 20% of victims. https://theconversation.com/new-homicide-statistics-show-surge-in-intimate-partner-killings-and-huge-disparity-in-first-nations-victims-228890

You can start by removing that stolen description used to describe Australian Aboriginals.

Amongst everything else that's a misnomer.

"Arrr... Houston - we've had a problem!"

"State your problem, Apollo Thirteen..."

"We've.. errr... had a brain explosion in the mothra module - it's spinning uncontrollably..."

"Spin is pretty normal for that module, Apollo - both laterally and longitudinally...."

"We are aware of that, Houston.... ummm ... this is way beyond normal parameters..."

"Roger, Apollo - allow us  to conference the issue... wait one... (aside) .......  Glynn - how much does the 'normal' mothra module spin?"

"Well - it head spins normally at rest like a top day and night ... with added fuel from vino it is a bit quicker.... then, of course, it just loves spin when that is introduced into any discussion.... can they control it?"

"Apollo - Houston - are you able to control the spin with counter-thrusts?"

"Negative, Houston... the thrusters are ineffective... and we're using  fuel... should we hit the trigger and cut her loose?"

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 6:45pm:

"Arrr... Houston - we've had a problem!" "State your problem, Apollo Thirteen..." "We've.. errr... had a brain explosion in the mothra module - it's spinning uncontrollably..." "Spin is pretty normal for that module, Apollo - both laterally and longitudinally...." "We are aware of that, Houston.... ummm ... this is way beyond normal parameters..." "Roger, Apollo - allow us  to conference the issue... wait one... (aside) .......  Glynn - how much does the 'normal' mothra module spin?" "Well - it head spins normally at rest like a top day and night ... with added fuel from vino it is a bit quicker.... then, of course, it just loves spin when that is introduced into any discussion.... can they control it?" "Apollo - Houston - are you able to control the spin with counter-thrusts?" "Negative, Houston... the thrusters are ineffective... and we're using  fuel... should we hit the trigger and cut her loose?"

Graps - do it in darker font so I don't need another glasses script to read it. Please.  ;)

Gnads wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 6:13pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 10:07am: freediver wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 9:10am: Quote: To the sane and logical, that is another example of the need to close the gap. The devil is in the details SK. I think you will find that those people demanding we "do the opposite" merely have a more realistic approach. Do you think that not killing your wife is one of Brian's impossible standards for Aborigines to meet? Do you think sending the army into to Alice to shoot all indigenous Australians on sight, or round then all up into concentration camps or refuges and sell tickets to hunt them is a more realistic approach? Another dumb arse baseless statement. You have it bad.

People on this forum, in this thread, have advocated for these things and despite their despicable nature, they remain unmoderated so one assumes that they are views shared by FD.

But besides, FD has exhausted what goodwill there was left in trying to converse with him, so I'm just responding in kind at this point.

Gnads wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 6:16pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 2:28pm: Boris wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 2:24pm: Move to Alice Springs and enjoy the company of your favourite people Cry some more. Put up or shut up you sanctimonious clueless twat.

No need to get so emotional, Tissue?

Gnads wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 6:21pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 6:29am: freediver wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 4:19pm: Quote: You and many people here keep pushing the racist stereotypes and fighting against closing the gap What do you actually mean by "closing the gap"? You've exhausted any good faith one may have misplaced in your intentions. You will need to earn that level of respect back before we start playing your still semantics dance. You'll need to start by enforcing your own rules around racial abuse first,.but given you condone and platform that bullshit I can't see it happening. Yet you're still here? go figure.

There needs to be more people with the voice of reason to cut through the hate that has found a home here.

Gnads wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 6:34pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 10:53am: Boris wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 10:29am: First Nations women and children are disproportionately impacted by family and domestic violence. They are 34 times more likely to be hospitalised due to violence than non-Indigenous women and six times more likely to die as a result of family violence.7 Nov 2023 https://ministers.dss.gov.au/media-releases/13016#:~:text=First%20Nations%20women%20and%20children,a%20result%20of%20family%20violence. And then? What should we be advocating for to help reduce those stats? Should we be working towards closing the gap? Should we give them an advisory body to weigh in on what sorts of things we should be doing to help? How do we help? The only GAP in this conversation ... is the empty gap between your floppy ears SK. As for an advisory body.... are you that stupid or is it a natural trait? Aboriginal Australians have more advisory bodies than you can poke a stick at .... that's why the Voice failed ..... it would have been just another taxpayer funded divisive unaccountable Aboriginal bureaucracy. And for all the multi $billions of taxpayer money thrown at all the advisory groups why hasn't the GAP already been closed? Because it's an unaccountable bottomless money pit for corrupt Aboriginals and non Aboriginals glued to the gravy train. And lefties like you are the biggest non Aboriginal spongers reaping the benefits.

They're simple questions...

You and your ilk keep frothing over these stats.

And then?

What's the point if you don't want to help change them?

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 6:58pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 6:16pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 2:28pm: Boris wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 2:24pm: Move to Alice Springs and enjoy the company of your favourite people Cry some more. Put up or shut up you sanctimonious clueless twat. No need to get so emotional, Tissue?

;D Really?

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 6:58pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 6:21pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 6:29am: freediver wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 4:19pm: Quote: You and many people here keep pushing the racist stereotypes and fighting against closing the gap What do you actually mean by "closing the gap"? You've exhausted any good faith one may have misplaced in your intentions. You will need to earn that level of respect back before we start playing your still semantics dance. You'll need to start by enforcing your own rules around racial abuse first,.but given you condone and platform that bullshit I can't see it happening. Yet you're still here? go figure. There needs to be more people with the voice of reason to cut through the hate that has found a home here.

Well hate to tell you ... it's not you.

Stay out of the wind the tickets will blow off.

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 7:00pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 6:34pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 10:53am: Boris wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 10:29am: First Nations women and children are disproportionately impacted by family and domestic violence. They are 34 times more likely to be hospitalised due to violence than non-Indigenous women and six times more likely to die as a result of family violence.7 Nov 2023 https://ministers.dss.gov.au/media-releases/13016#:~:text=First%20Nations%20women%20and%20children,a%20result%20of%20family%20violence. And then? What should we be advocating for to help reduce those stats? Should we be working towards closing the gap? Should we give them an advisory body to weigh in on what sorts of things we should be doing to help? How do we help? The only GAP in this conversation ... is the empty gap between your floppy ears SK. As for an advisory body.... are you that stupid or is it a natural trait? Aboriginal Australians have more advisory bodies than you can poke a stick at .... that's why the Voice failed ..... it would have been just another taxpayer funded divisive unaccountable Aboriginal bureaucracy. And for all the multi $billions of taxpayer money thrown at all the advisory groups why hasn't the GAP already been closed? Because it's an unaccountable bottomless money pit for corrupt Aboriginals and non Aboriginals glued to the gravy train. And lefties like you are the biggest non Aboriginal spongers reaping the benefits. They're simple questions... You and your ilk keep frothing over these stats. And then? What's the point if you don't want to help change them?

Unless you've been living under a rock for 3 or 4 years with the amount of taxpayers money(mine & yours included) thrown at indigenous/aboriginal issues why is it up to individuals to help?

Why isn't there an expectation that the Aboriginals these programs are designed to help do something to help themselves?

Why with all the money hasn't the GAP been closed ... and why are all the Aboriginal activists crying/demanding more?

People like you are one of the biggest problems.

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 7:00pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 6:34pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 10:53am: Boris wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 10:29am: First Nations women and children are disproportionately impacted by family and domestic violence. They are 34 times more likely to be hospitalised due to violence than non-Indigenous women and six times more likely to die as a result of family violence.7 Nov 2023 https://ministers.dss.gov.au/media-releases/13016#:~:text=First%20Nations%20women%20and%20children,a%20result%20of%20family%20violence. And then? What should we be advocating for to help reduce those stats? Should we be working towards closing the gap? Should we give them an advisory body to weigh in on what sorts of things we should be doing to help? How do we help? The only GAP in this conversation ... is the empty gap between your floppy ears SK. As for an advisory body.... are you that stupid or is it a natural trait? Aboriginal Australians have more advisory bodies than you can poke a stick at .... that's why the Voice failed ..... it would have been just another taxpayer funded divisive unaccountable Aboriginal bureaucracy. And for all the multi $billions of taxpayer money thrown at all the advisory groups why hasn't the GAP already been closed? Because it's an unaccountable bottomless money pit for corrupt Aboriginals and non Aboriginals glued to the gravy train. And lefties like you are the biggest non Aboriginal spongers reaping the benefits. They're simple questions... You and your ilk keep frothing over these stats. And then? What's the point if you don't want to help change them?

First step: Aborigines need to WANT to change.

THEN you can help them with that.

You can't 'help people who do not want to change.


You can throw billions of dollars and all the special services at them - if they do not want to change, it's all a waste. That is the history of the last 60 years.


When victimhood pays so well why would they change? Change means no lavish money f or nothing.

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 6:57pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 6:13pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 10:07am: freediver wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 9:10am: Quote: To the sane and logical, that is another example of the need to close the gap. The devil is in the details SK. I think you will find that those people demanding we "do the opposite" merely have a more realistic approach. Do you think that not killing your wife is one of Brian's impossible standards for Aborigines to meet? Do you think sending the army into to Alice to shoot all indigenous Australians on sight, or round then all up into concentration camps or refuges and sell tickets to hunt them is a more realistic approach? Another dumb arse baseless statement. You have it bad. People on this forum, in this thread, have advocated for these things and despite their despicable nature, they remain unmoderated so one assumes that they are views shared by FD. But besides, FD has exhausted what goodwill there was left in trying to converse with him, so I'm just responding in kind at this point.

I have yet to find a quote of someone advocating the murder/genocide or the detention of all aborigines in the Alice Springs area. Stop making strawman arguments.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 8:38pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 6:57pm: Gnads wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 6:13pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 10:07am: freediver wrote on Jun 3rd, 2024 at 9:10am: Quote: To the sane and logical, that is another example of the need to close the gap. The devil is in the details SK. I think you will find that those people demanding we "do the opposite" merely have a more realistic approach. Do you think that not killing your wife is one of Brian's impossible standards for Aborigines to meet? Do you think sending the army into to Alice to shoot all indigenous Australians on sight, or round then all up into concentration camps or refuges and sell tickets to hunt them is a more realistic approach? Another dumb arse baseless statement. You have it bad. People on this forum, in this thread, have advocated for these things and despite their despicable nature, they remain unmoderated so one assumes that they are views shared by FD. But besides, FD has exhausted what goodwill there was left in trying to converse with him, so I'm just responding in kind at this point. I have yet to find a quote of someone advocating the murder/genocide or the detention of all aborigines in the Alice Springs area. Stop making strawman arguments.

Nobody has ever advocated that Aborigines be murdered/genocide.

This is SadKangaroo being totally Communist and using propaganda like the son of Goebbels and it a total fabrication - he is an absolute liar.

he also says that not all or 100%  of Aborigines commit violent crimes so that is acceptable - the fact that it's 600% more likely for a woman or child to be murdered is OK by him because it is not 100% - he said the rates of violence and crime is exactly the same for Aborigines as for non-Aborigines or disadvantaged Non-Aborigines - and that is a total lie.

I posted official Government data from official Government web pages - the Australian Bureau of Statistics and he turns a blind eye to it.

He is just a full on Commo - Soviet lacky - Red Rag - Stalinist Leninist - waste of oxygen

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 8:38pm:

I have yet to find a quote of someone advocating the murder/genocide or the detention of all aborigines in the Alice Springs area. Stop making strawman arguments.

I hate to break it to you, but to summarise the claims below, Boris has advocated for the army to be sent into the Alice to shoot all Indigenous Australians on site.

Then when I asked him to at least pretend he's not advocating for genocide, Grap without prompting chimed in to agree that 90% should be killed, with "maybe" 10% worth saving.

Grap then goes on to, and has repeated the claim many times adding the flare of calling it something like Abosic Park or something just as stupid as if it's a funny play on words about Jurrasic Park, that they should all be rounded up and segregated in hermetically sealed captivity and sell tickets to hunt them.

And while we're at it, Boris has also many times before claimed that ALL indigenous Australians do the terrible things he says, not just the bad elements in their communities. 

This is the company you keep.


Boris wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 8:18am:

You people do not care about what is happening in the Alice. And you call yourself Aussies. Shame on you The only answer is the army with guns and night patrols and shoot on sight

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 10^th, 2022 at 4:21pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 11:34am: Boris wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 11:31am: SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 11:25am: Boris wrote on Aug 10th, 2022 at 11:24am: The Alice is out of all control Do you care about there people in terror there? Even in that group you took it from, did you bother looking at the comments? Very few people support bringing in the Army and nobody is calling for them to start shooting like you are. You've taken a headline and gone full-blown "this means we can finally kill them all!"... Go live there Can you at least pretend you don't want to kill them all? Nah - 10% might be worth saving.........

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 11:05pm:

Give 'em a homeland - let 'em duke it out..... build a wall around it, have a hermetically sealed tunnel a la Jurassic Park under a sealed clear roof so visitors can travel on electric cars and observe the wildlife in action..... glass tunnel goes around in a huge circle and ends up back at the car park and restaurant.... perhaps down the track boutique hunting trips could be set up and rich pricks come in to shoot one or two as the bag limit states ...... https://donglutsdinosaurs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Krstolich-postcard-700x456.jpg

Boris wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 9:04pm:

Nobody has ever advocated that Aborigines be murdered/genocide. This is SadKangaroo being totally Communist and using propaganda like the son of Goebbels and it a total fabrication - he is an absolute liar.

...


Boris wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 8:18am:

You people do not care about what is happening in the Alice. And you call yourself Aussies. Shame on you The only answer is the army with guns and night patrols and shoot on sight

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he also says that not all or 100%  of Aborigines commit violent crimes so that is acceptable

Please show me where I've said these disgusting crimes that have been committed are acceptable.


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the fact that it's 600% more likely for a woman or child to be murdered is OK by him because it is not 100%

Again, please show me where I've said that it's OK?


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he said the rates of violence and crime is exactly the same for Aborigines as for non-Aborigines or disadvantaged Non-Aborigines - and that is a total lie.

Again, that's not what has been said. 

A claim was made that out of the 81 women killed in DV attacks in the NT since 2000, 76 were in indigenous communities and this was being posted for perspective. 

In that same time, 1579 women were killed as a result of domestic homicide. 

1 death under these circumstances is too many, but the stats were pointed out because nobody posting seems to care about the other 1500 women killed if they can't attribute it to deaths within Indigenous communities., and I wonder why that is?


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I posted official Government data from official Government web pages - the Australian Bureau of Statistics and he turns a blind eye to it.

I've also posted stats, and to the direct reports, are your eyes also blind?


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He is just a full on Commo - Soviet lacky - Red Rag - Stalinist Leninist - waste of oxygen

I've been able to source all the claims I've made, with direct quotes from you and your ilk, or official statistics.

You're simply lying about what I've said to change it to something you think you can argue against, with the cherry on top being called a Communist.

At this point, I don't think you're even smart enough to know what a communist is.

Seems like you're the lying oxygen thief.

There was also that new poster, forgotten her name, but she reckoned that all Aboriginal babies be steralised at birth.

She was happily cheered along and when i arced up about it, i was roundly abused as a "woke wanker" shitting on other people's ideas.

Quite frankly, i'm gobsmacked anyone would try to deny that these things are said. They've been said all day and night for years now.

I don't suppose you can provide a quote Mothra?

freediver wrote on Jun 5^th, 2024 at 9:37am:

I don't suppose you can provide a quote Mothra?

Funnily enough Fleadriver, i can.

You going to do something about it, in accordance with your rules against racism?


Aquarius wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 7:45am:

Quote: I swear that indigenous Australians must have some kind of idiocy genetic code. The only solution I can see .... sterilise them all from birth.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1682285594/210

Oh, Fleadriver ran away.

Some excellent comments there... wassa madda you?  Got a flea bite you bum?

It's Wednesday - hasn't your budget run out yet?

** dreams of Michael Mansell strolling through Abestine/Aborassic Park clad in his roo skin...... enjoying the freedom from Wharte Man's Oppression and the aftermath of Invasion.... now then - where's that healthy balanced breakfast?  Ummm... said Mansell.... bit 'ard to find around 'ere.... no Macca's!!  We're gonna need a new voice over that, let me tell you!!  What, no royalty money - cuts off at the border?  No trucks bearing Tim Tams...no grog shops .... no fishing rods to buy ... no cars ... no dole money .... no child and woman protection ... no law and order... no healthcare other than that witch doctor and his bone and stick ....WTF???

Only a Wharte Man could design such a place to punish the Abo, punch down on him again, for being outspoken and demanding his country back!!


76 out of 81......... 76 out of 81 ........... 76 out of 81 ........ 76 out of 81 ......... 76 out of 81 .......

mothra wrote on Jun 5^th, 2024 at 9:53am:

freediver wrote on Jun 5th, 2024 at 9:37am: I don't suppose you can provide a quote Mothra? Funnily enough Fleadriver, i can. You going to do something about it, in accordance with your rules against racism? Aquarius wrote on Mar 29th, 2024 at 7:45am: Quote: I swear that indigenous Australians must have some kind of idiocy genetic code. The only solution I can see .... sterilise them all from birth.  https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1682285594/210

i would suspect ID aquarius is a russian or chinese bot , posting to create division and a less cohesive society. i would hope such a bot could be banned ,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqSKOkyczmk

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 5^th, 2024 at 8:00am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 8:38pm: I have yet to find a quote of someone advocating the murder/genocide or the detention of all aborigines in the Alice Springs area. Stop making strawman arguments. I hate to break it to you, but to summarise the claims below, Boris has advocated for the army to be sent into the Alice to shoot all Indigenous Australians on site. Then when I asked him to at least pretend he's not advocating for genocide, Grap without prompting chimed in to agree that 90% should be killed, with "maybe" 10% worth saving.

Well, for now, let us assume that Grappler was being facetious about any game hunting or willingness to save only maybe 10%. Boris, however, is teetering on the edge of human rights. I could only surmise that Boris meant that he wanted the army to handle riotous behaviour. "Shoot on site" would be a bad idea for anyone. 100 riotous indigenous people would become 10,000 riotous indigenous people by the end of the week. Trust me. I know from experience. Reprimand 5 indigenous people around here, you will see 500 indigenous people show up by the weekend for some extra curricular activity through the mall and around town.


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Grap then goes on to, and has repeated the claim many times adding the flare of calling it something like Abosic Park or something just as stupid as if it's a funny play on words about Jurrasic Park, that they should all be rounded up and segregated in hermetically sealed captivity and sell tickets to hunt them.

The "most dangerous game" I presume? Maybe Grappler is showing how frustrated he is with the antisocial behaviour of indigenous people. I have been physically attacked by indigenous people, even when I was barely 10 years old. To cut a long-winded story short, the proportion of antisocial behaviour I have seen among indigenous people is probably 50-50 with those who are non-indigenous. Most indigenous people are fair to good people. Some are excellent people.


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And while we're at it, Boris has also many times before claimed that ALL indigenous Australians do the terrible things he says, not just the bad elements in their communities.

I don't think Boris has done that. He has made comments about indigenous people without the addition of the qualifiers. The subject heading of this topic is "behavioural standards impossible for Aborigines". Realistically, the subject heading should also be in quotes, as it is attributed to something Brian said weeks back.

There is no doubt most posters here could not string together an essay. However, we don't take this forum too seriously. IRL, the posters would have a different attitude if they were to confront the situations they talk about. They are just using these forums as a way to vent their frustrations.

No - I said 10% might be worth saving - Sad Sack supplied the context from within his/her own mind.  That's where Saddie the Whining Laddie makes his/her mistakes every time.... reading in.

I only have to load the TRIGGER word and off he/she goes......76/81 though ... that's still an AFL loss....

I guess we're gonna have to stop all those White and Asian and such women wandering onto those settlements to be massacred ...

I'm just agreeing with the Blactivist Supremacists and Aboriginous Separatists who demand their own State .... a country of their own where they can do things their way.....  anyone stupid enough to not see the parody of Maverick (already posted the video) is clearly in need of serious psychiatric treatment and immediate treatment to remove the bleach from own eyes...

Aborassic Park - where they can travel back 60,000 years in their culture and live that way - very apt I think.....  then it morphed into a Two State Solution - Ausrael and Abestine - where each group can continue their own way of life (and death) - then was added the Third State for politicians, a separate island where they can go for a few months to enjoy being totally subject to their own policies until they get their minds right....  a couple of months living on Aboriginous land totally controlled by Aboriginous Supremacists and living the culture without any mod cons will soon set their minds on the right path....


Aboriginous Pentathlon - Lift the Liquor Store ... Race away from cops ... Go ten rounds with the old girl ... Build a set of excuses and demands... Run for the rest of your life...

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 5^th, 2024 at 1:44pm:

No - I said 10% might be worth saving - Sad Sack supplied the context from within his/her own mind.  That's where Saddie the Whining Laddie makes his/her mistakes every time.... reading in.

And the other 90%?

Boris was talking about shooting 100% of them, you say that "maybe" 10% are worth saving.

So what, you're taking the other 90% out to dinner?

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 5^th, 2024 at 1:08pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 5th, 2024 at 8:00am: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 4th, 2024 at 8:38pm: I have yet to find a quote of someone advocating the murder/genocide or the detention of all aborigines in the Alice Springs area. Stop making strawman arguments. I hate to break it to you, but to summarise the claims below, Boris has advocated for the army to be sent into the Alice to shoot all Indigenous Australians on site. Then when I asked him to at least pretend he's not advocating for genocide, Grap without prompting chimed in to agree that 90% should be killed, with "maybe" 10% worth saving. Well, for now, let us assume that Grappler was being facetious about any game hunting or willingness to save only maybe 10%. Boris, however, is teetering on the edge of human rights. I could only surmise that Boris meant that he wanted the army to handle riotous behaviour. "Shoot on site" would be a bad idea for anyone. 100 riotous indigenous people would become 10,000 riotous indigenous people by the end of the week. Trust me. I know from experience. Reprimand 5 indigenous people around here, you will see 500 indigenous people show up by the weekend for some extra curricular activity through the mall and around town. Quote: Grap then goes on to, and has repeated the claim many times adding the flare of calling it something like Abosic Park or something just as stupid as if it's a funny play on words about Jurrasic Park, that they should all be rounded up and segregated in hermetically sealed captivity and sell tickets to hunt them. The "most dangerous game" I presume? Maybe Grappler is showing how frustrated he is with the antisocial behaviour of indigenous people. I have been physically attacked by indigenous people, even when I was barely 10 years old. To cut a long-winded story short, the proportion of antisocial behaviour I have seen among indigenous people is probably 50-50 with those who are non-indigenous. Most indigenous people are fair to good people. Some are excellent people.

I think it's being far too generous, but for argument's sake, let's pretend he was being facetious.

He's at the same time, trying to push that he as others are, continues to highlight the stats and claims about Indigenous Australians because he cares about the victims.

Given he's been joking about imprisoning them all and then hunting them for sport, we can at least put to bed the idea that he actually cares about them.

There must be another motivator at play.

Especially when you count the number of times which he's repeated the idea using the name of the park.


Quote:

[quote]And while we're at it, Boris has also many times before claimed that ALL indigenous Australians do the terrible things he says, not just the bad elements in their communities.

I don't think Boris has done that. [/quote]

It's something that seems hard to believe, however:


Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:41am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:30am: Boris wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 8:12am: They rape children all the time in the Initiation and just for fun - I have posted links reports to the Senate how they have fake initiations so they can rape children. SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11th, 2022 at 7:47am: I don't know who is feeding you this information, but you need to stop listening to them.  I know it might be hard, especially because they're feeding you information that you want to hear, that reinforces your supremacy over all indigenous Australians but that's lead you to believe, to be misled and duped into the belief that any moves for equality and reconciliation mean something will be taken from you. If you care so deeply about the children in these communities, wouldn't you want to help them by accepting and working with those going down the voice pathway?  Give them better representation, more awareness of their issues, and greater assistance in resolving them? Or are you simply exploiting the idea of child rape to push your lies and bullshit claims? They rape children read Bad Dreaming by Louis Nowra Lyla Coorey in a 2005 report to the Senate, said some elders were abusing boys in fake initiations. Gary Lee, an indigenous researcher, said boys as young as eight are being used for sex, with almost cultural sanction. Tabled document Report by Ms Lyla Coorey, 'Child sexual abuse in rural and remote Indigenous Australian communities - a preliminary investigation'. (PDF 385KB) https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Former_Committees/indigenousaffairs/hearings/index Have a read fool - children are raped for fun In case there has been some miscommunication, you're saying that ALL Indigenous Australians do these things you claim, not just their bad elements like in any community? Yes

Just one example.

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 5^th, 2024 at 2:16pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 5th, 2024 at 1:44pm: No - I said 10% might be worth saving - Sad Sack supplied the context from within his/her own mind.  That's where Saddie the Whining Laddie makes his/her mistakes every time.... reading in. And the other 90%? Boris was talking about shooting 100% of them, you say that "maybe" 10% are worth saving. So what, you're taking the other 90% out to dinner?

they are all capable of living rich meaninful lives but we have to extricate them from the influence of leftie lunatics

if you really want to f someone up , then repeatedly tell them they are a victim and at the same time give them sit down money

its a catastrophic combination that benefits only one person

the virtue signaller


i have plenty of cash and want my kids to do well

imagine i told them the world was an unfair place that victimised them and in doing so demolished their passion for life

and then i gave them lots of cash so they were dependant on me

what a smacking dikhead of a father i would be

what a smacking failure they would be

and yet that is exactly what canberra does to the aborigine

it is genocidal .

the paradox is if you criticize this insane policy they call you a racist

f me  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

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SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 5^th, 2024 at 2:16pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 5th, 2024 at 1:44pm: No - I said 10% might be worth saving - Sad Sack supplied the context from within his/her own mind.  That's where Saddie the Whining Laddie makes his/her mistakes every time.... reading in. And the other 90%? Boris was talking about shooting 100% of them, you say that "maybe" 10% are worth saving. So what, you're taking the other 90% out to dinner?

Never have I ever said anything about shooting or killing anyone

You f...ing liar

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 5:52pm:

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Bbwiyawn is showing us how much more educated he is.... oh, yes.

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Brian Ross wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 6:40pm:

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imbecile

Boris wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 5:55pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 5th, 2024 at 2:16pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 5th, 2024 at 1:44pm: No - I said 10% might be worth saving - Sad Sack supplied the context from within his/her own mind.  That's where Saddie the Whining Laddie makes his/her mistakes every time.... reading in. And the other 90%? Boris was talking about shooting 100% of them, you say that "maybe" 10% are worth saving. So what, you're taking the other 90% out to dinner? Never have I ever said anything about shooting or killing anyone You f...ing liar

He reads in a lot - part of his mental disease.... I just suggested that out of all their self-imposed strife maybe 10% out there were worth saving.... the rest will do it all to themselves....

Now then - send in the army to bring back control in Alice Springs .... if they riot and take up arms... read 'em the riot act, and if they refuse to disperse and put down their arms..... engage them...... bring peace again.....

Boris wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 5:55pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 5th, 2024 at 2:16pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 5th, 2024 at 1:44pm: No - I said 10% might be worth saving - Sad Sack supplied the context from within his/her own mind.  That's where Saddie the Whining Laddie makes his/her mistakes every time.... reading in. And the other 90%? Boris was talking about shooting 100% of them, you say that "maybe" 10% are worth saving. So what, you're taking the other 90% out to dinner? Never have I ever said anything about shooting or killing anyone You f...ing liar

Boris wrote on Aug 6^th, 2022 at 8:18am:

You people do not care about what is happening in the Alice. And you call yourself Aussies. Shame on you The only answer is the army with guns and night patrols and shoot on sight

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 7:35pm:

Boris wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 5:55pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 5th, 2024 at 2:16pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 5th, 2024 at 1:44pm: No - I said 10% might be worth saving - Sad Sack supplied the context from within his/her own mind.  That's where Saddie the Whining Laddie makes his/her mistakes every time.... reading in. And the other 90%? Boris was talking about shooting 100% of them, you say that "maybe" 10% are worth saving. So what, you're taking the other 90% out to dinner? Never have I ever said anything about shooting or killing anyone You f...ing liar He reads in a lot - part of his mental disease.... I just suggested that out of all their self-imposed strife maybe 10% out there were worth saving.... the rest will do it all to themselves....

Who is gaslighting now...

If someone says, "Hey I'm going to throw this pizza out", and you said "oh, maybe save one slice", what is happening to the rest?

Aha. So SK thinks aborigines are garbage.

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 8^th, 2024 at 8:40am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 7:35pm: Boris wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 5:55pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 5th, 2024 at 2:16pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 5th, 2024 at 1:44pm: No - I said 10% might be worth saving - Sad Sack supplied the context from within his/her own mind.  That's where Saddie the Whining Laddie makes his/her mistakes every time.... reading in. And the other 90%? Boris was talking about shooting 100% of them, you say that "maybe" 10% are worth saving. So what, you're taking the other 90% out to dinner? Never have I ever said anything about shooting or killing anyone You f...ing liar He reads in a lot - part of his mental disease.... I just suggested that out of all their self-imposed strife maybe 10% out there were worth saving.... the rest will do it all to themselves.... Who is gaslighting now... If someone says, "Hey I'm going to throw this pizza out", and you said "oh, maybe save one slice", what is happening to the rest?

If a pizza is no good.... you eat it ......

“For the past 23 years, on average more than three Aboriginal women have been killed each year in the Northern Territory by domestic partners,” the NT’s coroner, Elisabeth Armitage, told the court.

Her investigations reveal 81 women have died as a result of domestic violence in the Northern Territory since 2000; 93% of them were Aboriginal.

Armitage has combined the deaths of Kumanjayi Haywood, Ngeygo Ragurrk, Miss Yunupingu and Kumarn Rubuntja to examine systemic failings across the domestic, sexual and family violence sector.

In each case, the court heard how the women told authorities or a loved one they would be “killed” by their partner in the lead-up to their deaths.

“This is not somebody else’s horror. This is our horror,” Armitage said.

She said the escalating rate of domestic violence was a “terrible, terrible carnage” and at least one woman’s death was an “indictment on [the territory’s] agencies and services”.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/oct/30/this-is-our-horror-nt-coroner-investigates-deaths-of-women-at-hands-of-their-partners

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 8^th, 2024 at 9:01am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 8th, 2024 at 8:40am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 7:35pm: Boris wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 5:55pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 5th, 2024 at 2:16pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 5th, 2024 at 1:44pm: No - I said 10% might be worth saving - Sad Sack supplied the context from within his/her own mind.  That's where Saddie the Whining Laddie makes his/her mistakes every time.... reading in. And the other 90%? Boris was talking about shooting 100% of them, you say that "maybe" 10% are worth saving. So what, you're taking the other 90% out to dinner? Never have I ever said anything about shooting or killing anyone You f...ing liar He reads in a lot - part of his mental disease.... I just suggested that out of all their self-imposed strife maybe 10% out there were worth saving.... the rest will do it all to themselves.... Who is gaslighting now... If someone says, "Hey I'm going to throw this pizza out", and you said "oh, maybe save one slice", what is happening to the rest? If a pizza is no good.... you eat it ......

Expecting some honesty from you was a stretch.

Boris wrote on Jun 8^th, 2024 at 9:53am:

“For the past 23 years, on average more than three Aboriginal women have been killed each year in the Northern Territory by domestic partners,” the NT’s coroner, Elisabeth Armitage, told the court. Her investigations reveal 81 women have died as a result of domestic violence in the Northern Territory since 2000; 93% of them were Aboriginal. Armitage has combined the deaths of Kumanjayi Haywood, Ngeygo Ragurrk, Miss Yunupingu and Kumarn Rubuntja to examine systemic failings across the domestic, sexual and family violence sector. In each case, the court heard how the women told authorities or a loved one they would be “killed” by their partner in the lead-up to their deaths. “This is not somebody else’s horror. This is our horror,” Armitage said. She said the escalating rate of domestic violence was a “terrible, terrible carnage” and at least one woman’s death was an “indictment on [the territory’s] agencies and services”. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/oct/30/this-is-our-horror-nt-coroner-investigates-deaths-of-women-at-hands-of-their-partners

Boris: "Never have I ever said anything about shooting or killing anyone. You f...ing liar"

Sad: "Quote Boris saying exactly that"

Boris: "Reposts stats to run from criticism"

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 8^th, 2024 at 10:37am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 8th, 2024 at 9:01am: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 8th, 2024 at 8:40am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 7:35pm: Boris wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 5:55pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 5th, 2024 at 2:16pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 5th, 2024 at 1:44pm: No - I said 10% might be worth saving - Sad Sack supplied the context from within his/her own mind.  That's where Saddie the Whining Laddie makes his/her mistakes every time.... reading in. And the other 90%? Boris was talking about shooting 100% of them, you say that "maybe" 10% are worth saving. So what, you're taking the other 90% out to dinner? Never have I ever said anything about shooting or killing anyone You f...ing liar He reads in a lot - part of his mental disease.... I just suggested that out of all their self-imposed strife maybe 10% out there were worth saving.... the rest will do it all to themselves.... Who is gaslighting now... If someone says, "Hey I'm going to throw this pizza out", and you said "oh, maybe save one slice", what is happening to the rest? If a pizza is no good.... you eat it ...... Expecting some honesty from you was a stretch.

You drink it ... talk is cheap - you do nothing for the real problems but attack people who give a damn - and even offer solutions... you take your dozen slices of poisoned pizza and eat them .... when you can tell me which one is not poisoned you might have a chance...

Now then - how's that idea of an Aborassic Park coming along?  All that culture preserved and available for viewing and splendid isolation as well... far from the madding White crowds pushing them out.... be a real crowd pleaser that would... good money to be made there and nothing to interfere with their 'doing things their way'.... and accepting the outcomes  without blaming anyone else.

Win-win  for all there...

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 8^th, 2024 at 8:39am:

Boris wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 5:55pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 5th, 2024 at 2:16pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 5th, 2024 at 1:44pm: No - I said 10% might be worth saving - Sad Sack supplied the context from within his/her own mind.  That's where Saddie the Whining Laddie makes his/her mistakes every time.... reading in. And the other 90%? Boris was talking about shooting 100% of them, you say that "maybe" 10% are worth saving. So what, you're taking the other 90% out to dinner? Never have I ever said anything about shooting or killing anyone You f...ing liar Boris wrote on Aug 6th, 2022 at 8:18am: You people do not care about what is happening in the Alice. And you call yourself Aussies. Shame on you The only answer is the army with guns and night patrols and shoot on sight https://media.tenor.com/EbyOKpncujQAAAAi/john-travolta-tra-jt-transparent.gif

To restore order with armed patrols with orders to shoot offender on sight - the offenders will think twice and not offend.

Like Hamas and the Gaza Strip (rock band) they'd soon learn that a full response to extreme actions by them will have extreme consequences.

Boris wrote on Jun 8^th, 2024 at 1:29pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 8th, 2024 at 8:39am: Boris wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 5:55pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 5th, 2024 at 2:16pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 5th, 2024 at 1:44pm: No - I said 10% might be worth saving - Sad Sack supplied the context from within his/her own mind.  That's where Saddie the Whining Laddie makes his/her mistakes every time.... reading in. And the other 90%? Boris was talking about shooting 100% of them, you say that "maybe" 10% are worth saving. So what, you're taking the other 90% out to dinner? Never have I ever said anything about shooting or killing anyone You f...ing liar Boris wrote on Aug 6th, 2022 at 8:18am: You people do not care about what is happening in the Alice. And you call yourself Aussies. Shame on you The only answer is the army with guns and night patrols and shoot on sight https://media.tenor.com/EbyOKpncujQAAAAi/john-travolta-tra-jt-transparent.gif To restore order with armed patrols with orders to shoot offender on sight - the offenders will think twice and not offend.

Perhaps SK agrees with Brian that this would be cultural imperialism. You could not expect aborigines to avoid being shot.

Close the gap.

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 9:16am:

Boris wrote on Jun 8th, 2024 at 1:29pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 8th, 2024 at 8:39am: Boris wrote on Jun 7th, 2024 at 5:55pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 5th, 2024 at 2:16pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 5th, 2024 at 1:44pm: No - I said 10% might be worth saving - Sad Sack supplied the context from within his/her own mind.  That's where Saddie the Whining Laddie makes his/her mistakes every time.... reading in. And the other 90%? Boris was talking about shooting 100% of them, you say that "maybe" 10% are worth saving. So what, you're taking the other 90% out to dinner? Never have I ever said anything about shooting or killing anyone You f...ing liar Boris wrote on Aug 6th, 2022 at 8:18am: You people do not care about what is happening in the Alice. And you call yourself Aussies. Shame on you The only answer is the army with guns and night patrols and shoot on sight https://media.tenor.com/EbyOKpncujQAAAAi/john-travolta-tra-jt-transparent.gif To restore order with armed patrols with orders to shoot offender on sight - the offenders will think twice and not offend. Perhaps SK agrees with Brian that this would be cultural imperialism. You could not expect aborigines to avoid being shot. Close the gap.

Things are out of all control in the NT

Probably the biggest area of behaviour that Aborigines find impossible to hold to is NOT just claiming everything in sight and then assuming it 'belongs' to them once some agreement is reached on access and use, when the reality is that they are simply having their access to and use of open range formally permitted.  For example:-

"The most comprehensive native title agreement negotiated in Australian history. The Settlement between the Noongar people and the Western Australian (WA) Government covers approximately 200,000 square kilometres of the south-west region."
https://www.wa.gov.au/system/files/2020-04/Map-of-SWNT-area-sm.png

What this means is:-

"A range of Noongar-held land assets, including further arrangements for Noongar peoples’ access to and co-management of Crown land with the WA Government."

i.e:-
"The Noongar Land Estate will provide the Noongar people with a significant asset" = SOME Freehold land, same rights and obligations as everyone else - most not Freehold and thus not 'owned' outright.  A flashpoint there for future problems.

"A 10-year fund to support the land, joint management and heritage objectives " = MONEY - you can see the future problem areas there now.

"co-operative and joint management agreements for the care and protection of the(South West Conservation) Estate."  = again you can see the potential for future problems arising over 'joint management' and similar.

"Noongar peoples' lawful access to certain unallocated Crown Land and unmanaged reserve land for customary activities." = note carefully the wording - this is NOT Freehold land totally owned and never can be, access is the same as everyone else, and many areas such as 'unmanaged' need to be cleared up.

" access to Public Drinking Water Source Areas for certain customary purposes." = access to - not control over.; again a future flashpoint for problems over 'interpretation'.

Simple enough - until the stupid politicians, the activists and the 'courts' get involved in every aspect of every dispute area over every little thing... and that is when the excrement strikes the propellor.  Also note that all other stakeholders are excluded from any discussion of usage and 'ownership' of what is non-Freehold land granted ACCESS to and 'traditional usage' of - meaning ceremonies - not just - 'me walk here - this my land'.  Note this 'government' has NOT made that last clear at all but wide open for warfare and endless dispute.

Why did I choose Western Australia and this agreement?  Because it covers the capital city etc of Perth and there are countless turkey-heads over there who seem to imagine their rights are never going to be impinged on in any way and it is so sweet to give the Aborigines everything they want.  Wait until the disputes start rolling in, the complaints about 'heritage violations' (like Hindmarsh Island - never heard of until someone decides it is - Culture Cult like Cargo Cult); the dopes standing on the road and telling authorities they have no rights to entry etc; the claims of 'sovereignty' over and total ownership of the entire thing; the claims to Ownership of Perth and all in it - you can work the rest out for yourself.

Now then - How does this fit with the demand for CONTROL over land, water, air and resources?  Simple - right to use is what Native Title offers - so now an Aboriginal can access drinking water and use creek water on licence for land use etc!!!  Can walk across land NOT owned by someone else and actually legally access national parks and similar!!  Is actually entitled to breathe air!!  Can dispose of THEIR personal resources!!

Control and free shared use are two totally different things - watch this space for court actions funded by you idiots to take your rights from you.  The German socialist parties thought they could control Hitler by giving him power and control by using the democratic process and fair play ...... took six months for them to realise their mistake.

So - what has changed with this massive 'agreement'?  A bit of Freehold (as I've advocated for ages unlike - say ShakaRoo or PillPerth who offer nothing but bile towards Whites),  and some cash (how unusual) - and the potential for a whole heap of future trouble over ownership, rights and land management of PUBLIC lands ending in court battles under 'activist judges' with an agenda under the rule of the government of the day, and with one side funded fully for free and all other stakeholders excluded by virtue of lack of funds etc and ignored even if they get a hearing.

It's your Perth, turkey-heads - YOU drink it!  I'll be sitting back laughing.... and poking a stick and rattling your cages at every move...... just like now with the Lawfare columns.... need a new one for SEWA Lawfare soon.

https://www.wa.gov.au/organisation/department-of-the-premier-and-cabinet/south-west-native-title-settlement

https://www.wa.gov.au/organisation/department-of-planning-lands-and-heritage/noongar-land-estate-south-west-native-title-settlement

Like Gnads - I am ashamed that I spent my life primarily voting for a party that I thought was for everyone equally, and was even an unpaid Union delegate who took the hits from management in return for protecting the rights of me mates (so I could be rejected  for a job with the Union 'encouraging applications from women, ATSIs and Non-English speakers').

Would indigenous people be held liable if someone is injured on their claimed land? I think not.

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 9:16am:

Perhaps SK agrees with Brian that this would be cultural imperialism. You could not expect aborigines to avoid being shot. Close the gap.

The problem is, if you wanted to see a closing of the gap, the trouble makers are going to have to be shot.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 8^th, 2024 at 9:01am:

If a pizza is no good.... you eat it ......

Speaking as someone who has worked in a pizza store, you find that the complainants will eat most of the pizza and then demand a replacement and refund for the few left over pieces of the pizza. Then they will bad mout the store for what they did get in the first place.

I got a ham and pineapple pizza at Dominoes on Wednesday that had no pineapple on it.

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:54pm:

I got a ham and pineapple pizza at Dominoes on Wednesday that had no pineapple on it.

In America, they would be happy with that.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 7:03pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 9th, 2024 at 6:54pm: I got a ham and pineapple pizza at Dominoes on Wednesday that had no pineapple on it. In America, they would be happy with that.

Gotta love your local Rocky claimants - 'scattered across Queensland' but claiming the coast and hinterland...

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 8:16pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 9th, 2024 at 7:03pm: freediver wrote on Jun 9th, 2024 at 6:54pm: I got a ham and pineapple pizza at Dominoes on Wednesday that had no pineapple on it. In America, they would be happy with that. Gotta love your local Rocky claimants - 'scattered across Queensland' but claiming the coast and hinterland...

Not sure what you mean by that.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 8:17pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 9th, 2024 at 8:16pm: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 9th, 2024 at 7:03pm: freediver wrote on Jun 9th, 2024 at 6:54pm: I got a ham and pineapple pizza at Dominoes on Wednesday that had no pineapple on it. In America, they would be happy with that. Gotta love your local Rocky claimants - 'scattered across Queensland' but claiming the coast and hinterland... Not sure what you mean by that.

Get out your maps and check it out.  Their own blurbs say they are all over Queensland but they want your backyard there - close to the ocean and the money.

It's like the Perth thing below - given the dorks who come here with their vile attacks and insults - how could I resist showing them how they've been 'claimed' behind their backs and the troubles are just about to begin over any and every little thing.  I'm guessing those who come here filled with fire and brimstone over the suffering Aboriginal and rights figure it doesn't include themselves.... wait for it... wait for it....

As I said there - I'll be taking a stick and rattling their cages every time some new 'problem' comes up anywhere all across the SEWA (Southern Extremity of Western Australia)... I'm rubbing my hands together already and chortling....

Now then - all those other claims doing the rounds.... hands up those who actually believe they all mean just a benign presence on the landscape for your Aboriginal brethren, and they won't 'confuse' rights to usage and sharing for Ownership?

I'll say it again - 'native title rights' are a farce - they give no extra rights other than the 'right' to hold ceremonies at traditional times ONLY - well - the Church Of Longer Day Stimulants can also go out to a National Park and hold a Day of Non-Remembrance using Holy Dope or something... seeing the sunrise from Mt Warhing at the Solstice(s)is a spiritual achievement for everyone equally ... as long as they don't break any laws or interfere with anyone else using the park.   Aboriginals can also access drinking water!!!  Wow!!   With a licence they can use water from a water course for irrigation!!  They can own Freehold land the same as anyone else under the same conditions - the difference being that 'government' gives it to them and pays the bills for them!!  This is progress!!  This is equality!  they can even breathe the same air and have the same right to complain of polluted air etc as anyone else!!

The only things wrong with that picture are the way governments have left open little doorways for 'wriggle room' by using terms like 'ownership', 'title', 'their land' (but not exclusively) and by not fully explaining the full meaning of all these words - so that activists, self-same 'governments' and their agencies, and activist 'courts' can 'make determinations' to exclude others after 'consultation' and/or 'hearing from stakeholders' which means exclusion of the majority of stakeholders in public lands even from consultation - the people - but that's not racist.

When will the people of NSW get their vote on any mooted 'treaty' as appeared today during the anniversary of the long-ago Myall Creek Massacre, following which the courts hung seven White Men?  Looked at the Appin Massacre of fourteen people again - the blurb now is that this followed from the government ordering troops to move on some 'troublesome natives' - they forgot to mention these 'troublesome natives' killed sixteen people including at least one woman and two children, all defenceless.  Early Day Hamas, you understand.....

Bit like The Ghost and The Darkness, innit -

"We can't have the entire project held up over a little trouble with the local wildlife!  How many people have you lost?"

"Oh - over a hundred or so... about a hundred and thirty  ..."

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